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December 21, 2020 11 min

As I reflect back on the first season of the podcast, it’s become clear to me that systemic change starts with personal change. I believe true inclusion and equity requires sacrificing some of our self-interests, like power, position, even profit. The question is – are we willing to make change happen, if it means changing and sacrificing ourselves?

In this season finale, I share my thoughts on the “business case” and the costs of true inclusion, equity and diversity; why inclusion policies and training are not enough; and what’s next for Changing Lenses. (The podcast will take a short hiatus, but will be back in 2021!)

In this episode:
  • Reflecting on the journey so far
  • The big question: are we willing to do what it takes to change?
  • The “business case” is the side effect, not the reason, for inclusion, equity and diversity
  • Having inclusion and equity in more than name only is going to cost us something
  • My personal experience of inclusion policy vs. practice
  • It’s not about whether you say you believe in inclusion, equity and belonging. It’s what you do to make it happen – or not.
  • Looking ahead to 2021 and Season Two
  • Full episode transcript available at:

    Music Credits
    Intro Music:
    What Words Can't Describe, by Vlad Gluschenko
    License: CC BY 3.0:

    Outro Music:
    Beautiful Modern Rock Pop Guitar All Goodness Background Music, by Royalty Free Music
    License: CC BY-NC-ND 3.0:

    If you enjoy the podcast and want deeper ways to Change your Lens in work and business, check out the free resources on my website, I also offer workshops and keynote speeches on JEDI topics like Decolonizing Corporate Workplaces, recruiting more inclusively, anti-Asian racism, and many more. How can I  support your JEDI journey? Contact me at

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