Growing The Game - Nathalie Sheehan - Chasin' Birdies

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>> Jonathan (00:06):
All right, you guys tuning in this week here on Chasing
Birdies, we're back for a new episode, second one of
2025. Second one in two weeks. My man
J.P. what's shaking, baby?

>> RB (00:17):
What is going on?

You're in sunny Florida, I take it. Huh? Huh?

>> RB (00:20):
Well, it's not really sunny right now. I'm in Orlando,
Florida. Um, PGA show
starts here next week. I will not be there.
I'm here for, uh, our Jewel
show to kick off the year. But
it's good to see you again, bud.

Yeah.

>> RB (00:37):
You know, two times in two weeks.

I made a joke to you and BK that, uh, it's been a while since
y'all have been in Florida, but, um,
actually, you're there last week, too, so what the hell?
Life's good, bud.

>> RB (00:49):
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(01:11):
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Maybe I should get a pair of the Red Valley golf shoes I saw in
that 2025 book.
I mean, my shoes aren't golf.

>> RB (01:30):
Your shoes are pickle shoes.

They're still good, though. They're still good, though.

>> RB (01:34):
I think that you would not like those shoes in the
North. I think you walking pelican with pickleball
shoes. Um,
yeah, but I don't think that inhales that that
would necessarily work out.

So one thing that we actually got right on this show,
maybe of all time, maybe,
was this past weekend witnessing
the Steelers get thrashed by the Ravens. And we called that here
on the show, which was not fun to
watch. But the point to that is this
weekend, we're headed into a great, great weekend of sports.

(02:07):
I mean, we got games going on
Saturday, national championship here with, uh, Ohio
State, Notre Dame. I mean, it's. It's. It's
been a hell of a season, man. And. And I'll tell you this right
now, I don't think anybody's beating the
Lions. I don't think anybody's beating the
Lions.

>> RB (02:25):
Uh, I like the Lions. I do.
I also, though, man, I like the. I like those Minnesota
Vikings.

Yeah. But I just.
I'm just saying, from the standpoint of my man
Dan Campbell just has
brass Whatever. And he
just has these plays, very
aggressive, the way they've played all year.
Headed into this weekend, divisional round
coming, uh, off a buy, and

(02:54):
that's the way football should be played. You watch some of the teams play
last weekend. It's like, that's the way football should
be played.

>> RB (03:01):
Derrick Henry, man is a man. He's a
dog.

Yes.

>> RB (03:05):
I mean, that guy just does what he
wants. Um, and then on the college football side
of things, we got Ohio State vs.
Notre Dame for the national championship. I mean,
I was actually thinking about this other day.
Imagine if you're like, you're an Ohio State fan.
I gotta go to four bowl games to watch my

(03:25):
team play.

No, you're right.

>> RB (03:28):
Uh, that's a little out of control. And how about Carson
Beck going to, uh, the University
of Miami? Um,
his nil deal. You know what his nil deal is?

What is it?

>> RB (03:40):
$4 million? You know what George Pickens's contract for
four years is in the NFL? What is it,
3.1.

Wow.

>> RB (03:48):
So you can't tell me that this
nil stuff's not getting out of control.
Um, you know, Carson Beck went from declaring for the
NFL draft to probably realizing,
hey, if I go to another school for one year, I'll make more
money there in one year than I will in two or three years.

Rookie contract. Yep, yep.

>> RB (04:07):
Um, gotta end it. Gotta end the nil.
I. I believe. Or at least get some kind of
control on it.

You're you. That's a bold statement. That's a
bold statement.

>> RB (04:18):
I don't know your money. You're making more money than professional
athletes.

Yeah, yeah, I hear you.
I hear you. I. And I'm sure some of these
golfers, man, are getting paid, too.

>> RB (04:30):
Yeah.

You know, which.

>> RB (04:32):
Wonder what?

I would have made it, but golf's one thing where it's like,
you know, when you're playing quarterback for a team, naturally the
whole team matters. You're part of that team. When you're playing
golf, you're on a squad, but at the end of the day,
you still want to go out and shoot 65, whether you're playing in
California or Florida. So, uh, it's a
little different, but that's a different

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topic of conversation.
But today we do have a guest here on Chasing Birdies.
Natalie Sheehan joins us, uh, to talk a
lot about golf and a lot about what she's into in golf. She
teaches out a Pelican Golf club down outside of
Clearwater, Florida. And we had a chance to catch up with
her a Couple weeks ago, and
she, uh, accepted the invitation to come here on a show

(05:15):
and. Fabulous little interview, man. I mean,
and going back to what we talked
about in the past with women in sports,
specifically golf, um,
it's. It's just really something that's needed to grow
the game. And she's. She's exemplifying that.

>> RB (05:32):
Well, I mean, for women, too. There's so much
opportunity in the game of golf, as far as, you know, in
business. It can help you out in
business so much when you play the. This great sport.
So, um, I think that Natalie's going to help
out, uh, with that. She's got an
incredible resume
as is, and I'm sure it's only going to get better

(05:54):
over the next few years. Um,
but Pelican is a great place for her to be.
And I mean, the facilities they have are out of this
world. Um, and the golf course and the
people in the restaurant, everything. Um, so
without further ado, I think that we should go, uh, listen to
Natalie talk and not so much

(06:14):
us.

Yep. You guys enjoy this one.
All right, you guys out there tuning in here on Chase
and Birdies. We got a good one today. I'm really stoked for this
one. A young and upcoming female teacher
in the golf world. She's going to give me and Pep a few pointers here on the
show. Actually, Natalie Sheehan, uh, you might
have seen her on Golf Pass on Golf Channel, joins us here on Chase.

(06:36):
And so, Natalie, thanks so much for, uh, carving out some time
today and joining us.

>> Speaker C (06:40):
Yeah. Thank you, guys. Loving the pelican hat
rep.

>> RB (06:43):
Absolutely had to do it. Uh, I was on a
flight today with Mr. Brandon Katsif on the way down to
Orlando for a jewelry show. And,
um, I know you guys have a big event here next week in the
PGA show.

>> Speaker C (06:55):
That's right. Yeah. Down in Orlando as well.

So you'll be headed to that.

>> Speaker C (07:00):
Yes, I am speaking at the teaching and coaching summit, which
happens prior to the show. So that's Sunday, Monday, and
then Tuesday, there's the Houston huge demo day, where they
do it at, ah, the round Orange County National
Driving Range, uh, which is really cool. And then the
actual show in the convention center is Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, and.

>> RB (07:18):
That'S where everybody gets to try the new goods that are
coming out this year. It is really cool. I've done it a few
times in the past. Um, it's just,
I have to say, the actual show, Ryan, I don't think
you've ever been there.

I haven't.

>> RB (07:32):
Um, the Actual show is very overwhelming.
Um, there's a million booths. There's a million
people with clothes and
golf tees and golf
shoes. Everything that you can think of that you've never
even heard of, you have, and it's really cool.

>> Speaker C (07:47):
Even like, when you walk around, there's all these,
like, Asian brands because we forget. It's easy to be in our, like,
little bubble of, you know, U.S. golf. But,
like, golf is so expansive. So there's all these brands from, you know,
Asia and all these other countries who have all sorts of different crazy
products from, you know, workout stuff to, like,
little technology. And, like, you said, clothes. I mean, it's

(08:08):
literally everything you could possibly imagine.

I. I think the, like, the apparel, some
aspect of it, like, interests me for sure,
but at the same time, I feel like it would be so hard to break
into. I mean, how many different types of
material is there in the world that you can make a shirt that says, hey,
you're not gonna sweat on a hot summer day?

>> Speaker C (08:26):
Yeah, yeah. It's also, the margins are super
tight on. On clothing stuff, but, yeah, no,
it's crazy. I can't imagine.

But, yeah, I've never been. Uh, we've actually thought
about going, but I really. I have no interest. But, you know, I
know a lot of people that do go, and they say it's a great time. You get
to see everything and whatnot.

>> Speaker C (08:45):
Meet up with people, fun networking opportunity. Like, really
good way to. I mean, everybody's there, so it's a
nice way to meet up with people, for sure.

Yeah. That's awesome.
So golf, man, you. You found golf at a young
age? You know, I was doing some browsing, a little bit of
research, and, um, you know.
So was that something that you had in your family blood, or was it something
you just picked up on your own?

>> Speaker C (09:08):
So my dad actually played ice hockey in college,
and, uh, I'm the oldest of three girls. So I always joke
that, um, I'm the son he never had because
I was not allowed to figure skate, um, even
though I really wanted figure skates when I was little, um, we lived
on a pond, and so it would freeze over, and he would,
like, shovel it off. And we had hockey nets. So I learned how to skate on,

(09:29):
um, hockey skates when I was, like, three,
um, and played golf. He loved golf kind of toward
the end of college, and then I just also
kind of became obsessed. But I played. I don't look like an
ice hockey player, but I played ice hockey all the way through high school as
well.

>> RB (09:44):
That's, um, awesome.

>> Speaker C (09:45):
So, yeah, that was. You know, my dad played a lot
of sports, and we did as well.

Hockey. We. We've talked to some of you who played hockey
and golf, and it just.
Yeah, to a degree, it kind of is. It goes a
little.

>> Speaker C (10:00):
You know, definitely a lot of hockey players. I mean, a lot of
former athletes find their way to golf. Obviously, they. I think,
you know, over the years, having worked with some of them, we have a lot in the
Tampa Bay area who are former athletes from all different
sports, and I think that they
love it so much because they just can't quite figure it out. You know,
these are people who have been so

(10:21):
unbelievably successful in their own respective sports,
and then they get closer to retirement maybe,
and start playing golf, and they can't figure it
out, and they are just so locked in and
obsessed, because those are the people that I find that practice the most and
are so obsessed with, like, you know, trying to get better. And
it's sort of interesting that golf's what everyone comes to.

>> RB (10:42):
Well, I think for a lot of people, too. Like, you talk to these
professional athletes that are the best at what they do, right?
A hockey player, a football player, and if you tell them,
hey, this par three, number nine, for
example, at Pelican is
130 yards, and you have to get it
three shots to make a par. A lot of them are
like, three shots. That's all I need to do to get to there.

(11:04):
And it's like they don't realize how hard it actually
is, uh, once. Once you get those wheels
rolling. Um, and it's so funny because it
frustrates these athletes and celebrities
so much because again, they're.
They're so good at hockey, and in their mind, they should
automatically be good at golf 100%.

>> Speaker C (11:24):
And even people that are, you know, successful, obviously,
in golf, you have a lot of people, especially at a place like
Pelican, uh, you know, who run companies that have been
really incredibly successful in their own
lives, business wise. Same thing. You know,
they just. It's something else that they want to work toward and
they want to try and figure out. Um, and you can never
really perfect it, so.

Never.

>> RB (11:47):
Patty's still trying to do that.

Speaking of Pelican, I tell you what we had. That is a
gem that is like a hidden gem. Now,
granted, you know, they had the Annika there, which we'll get into a little bit, so it
kind of gets some publicity a little bit. But the first time
playing it, he and I last Year with, with
bk. We were like
ambassadors for him to try to join. We're like, dude, this
is the place. Like, it's

(12:12):
close to where you live. It's
meticulous. Um, great
hang. The comfort stations are out of this
world. Like, it's just a good spot to be at.

>> Speaker C (12:22):
Yeah, it's a great place to play golf, that's for sure.

And for you? I mean, I didn't get to really see
kind of overpass the range a little bit, but I saw like there were
some indoor outdoor hitting bays, um,
which might be
popular in Florida or just a good golf courses in general. But I
mean, it's got to be, ah, a great place for you to kind of hang your
hat and do what you got to do.

>> Speaker C (12:43):
Yeah, it's. We have state of the art facilities, which is
amazing. My husband Justin, who I'm sure you guys met when you
were down one of the times, um, is the COO of
Pelican, but he was a huge
part of when the club was being built. So the Doyle family bought it
in 2017. It was an existing public golf
course, um, called the Bellevue Biltmore.

(13:03):
And it's an old Donald Ross course actually, that Bo
Welling redesigned. So Beau does a lot of work, uh,
with Tiger on his courses. And,
um, so it reopened in 2019, but Justin was a
huge part of the project and the golf
course redesign and all of the buildings being built. So Justin
basically designed the learning center. And

(13:24):
as a former, he still teaches some, but you know, he
was full time teaching prior to
Pelican. He had the knowledge to build a really
amazing learning state of the art. We've got
Sam Putt lab in our putting studio as well as a Zen
green so you can adjust and make all different
types of putts. Um,
we've got putt view that does the projection, so you could set the

(13:47):
green to, let's say a 3% slope right to left. And then you
make the putt view shows you exactly the line that you need to putt
on. Um, so that's an amazing thing
to have. We've got an upstairs hitting bay that has
trackman simulator in it. So if it's hot, cold,
we get both in Tampa Bay. Uh, you can head up there and
hang out. If you're hanging out on property with some friends

(14:07):
for the weekend, you can grab some drinks and go hang out up there
and play pebble beach on the simulator if you want to.
Um, and then downstairs we've got Truspeck has one hitting bay,
so they do all of the club fitting. Uh, Premier Club
Fitter in Tampa Bay. And then we have the teaching bay next
door, which is primarily where I teach out of. We've
got Gears, which does 3D capture, we

(14:28):
have ah, swing Catalyst which is a pressure
plate. And then um, we have Trackman,
so kind of does all of the things.

Isn't that, I mean that's impressive. Just the amount of
technology that goes into golf these days. And it hasn't
like just happened, but it just keeps evolving. But when you look
back on golf like even 25 years
ago, like none of this shit existed. Nothing.

>> Speaker C (14:51):
No. Which also makes you appreciate,
you know, I don't know how nerdy you guys are on
golf instruction, but the guys who are really
legendary, you've got like a Butch Harmon, Hank Haney,
those guys were just really good at
seeing everything because they didn't have what we have.

>> RB (15:09):
Now, drawing the lines and everything else.

>> Speaker C (15:11):
Yeah, there's a lot of people now who maybe aren't great teachers, but they can
dissect the information based on what someone's doing on Trackman
pretty easily. Which, you know, 30 or 40 years
ago they didn't have that. So those guys were just exceptional at
what they did.

No, my dad had the Ledbetter book sitting
on the coffee table when I was growing up. And like, uh, you'd come home from
golf and you'd open a Ledbetter book up to see kinda
like, you know, I was hitting it right a little bit. So what's Ledbetter say?
You know, and that's what it was, right? It
was crazy.

>> Speaker C (15:39):
Yeah, exactly. So, um, you know, even when
Justin, uh, worked for Jim McLean, he was Jim's assistant
down in Miami, uh, when he was really young.
And um, another legendary coach and
teacher who has trained a lot
of fantastic teachers, but same thing, like,
just so good at seeing all
that stuff that I think kind of the modern teachers maybe aren't as great

(16:02):
at because we have all this technology and
even just being able to whip out your phone and take a video of somebody
in slow motion, you know.

>> RB (16:11):
Well, I even like, for example today, this is a little off
topic, but I had to renew my passport
and I was able just to take my photo on my phone,
my passport, they.

>> Speaker C (16:21):
Let you do that.

>> RB (16:22):
Which like that, uh, insane you think about like the
technology, like what you're saying with the golf swing. I didn't
have to go to the DMV to get a picture
of my face. I just did in my car. It's
crazy how much technology has evolved in everything that
we do.

>> Speaker C (16:37):
Yeah, absolutely. That is amazing. And still is.

So with your teaching, um, by the way,
congratulations. I saw that you are 20,
25, 2026, Golf Digest
Top teachers, rising teachers for the year.

>> Speaker C (16:52):
Yeah.

So kudos to you. I mean, that's. That's big.

>> RB (16:56):
Congratulations.

>> Speaker C (16:57):
Yeah, thank you.

But you obviously have a passion for that, and I
know that you kind of were involved in playing a little
bit, but what kind of happened within
your career there where you. You wanted to kind of take this pivotal
shift and get into the realm you're in right now?

>> Speaker C (17:14):
So. I played Division 1 golf in college at
University of Delaware, and
originally I wanted to work in fashion,
and I thought I was going to move to New York City and do
that, and quickly realized that was not for me.
After a couple years of. I started out as a fashion merchandising
major. There's, um. I switched to art history,
something that I just really enjoy and passionate about

(17:37):
and really focused in on golf. Had a great
junior and senior year playing. Decided I was gonna
go to Q school and try and play. But, uh,
in the meantime, I had worked for my coach growing up
and did just women's clinics and kids
camps during the summer and really fell in love with
teaching and sharing the game. And

(17:57):
especially with women and kids. It is
so much fun to. And men,
too, but people who are newer to the game. It's
really, uh, so rewarding to share
that with people and get them started. So
that definitely set a spark. And then after I went to Q school
once, uh, again realized that was not for
me. Uh, didn't want to be on the road.

(18:20):
Don't think that I was really a talented enough player.
Honestly, uh, I'm a respectable golf pro. I think I
can still play, too. A pretty high standard,
but those girls are just.

They're so damn insane, you know?

>> Speaker C (18:33):
And Justin and I talk about too, you know, you're gonna go out to Q school. Well, whose
spot on tour are you taking?

Right.

>> Speaker C (18:38):
Who are you better than? And I just wasn't there.
So, um, came back from there. Ah. That was
in the summer of
2017, like, one year after I graduated
and just decided, hey, I'm gonna really dig into
teaching. I was doing some of the social media stuff already
kind of before that became as popular as it
is now. And the club that I was working at in

(19:00):
Philadelphia was super supportive of everything I was
doing. And so I just dug into teaching,
and Philly was a great spot to be in with a lot of
amazing other golf pros. And courses so
kind of took off from there.

>> RB (19:13):
Which. Where you were at in Philly is one of my
all time favorite places in the Philly Cricket Club.
I love that place. That place is incredible.
I can't say the name of the course.
Yeah. Um, but I love it.

>> Speaker C (19:28):
Great golf course
is the nine hole course. I don't know if you've ever been to the nine hole course,
which is the original. It's the In Town
Club, um, in Chestnut Hill. But that was the
original golf course. And there's only nine
holes existing left. But they
sold the other half off, I think during like the Great Depression or

(19:49):
something. But it's the original golf course where they
had. I'm gonna say this wrong now that I'm on a podcast, but
the US Open, they had some. A major there,
um, a long, long time ago. But
it's really cool. They have, ah, they
have a Hickory tournament. They're like the world. World Hickory
Champions every year. So they actually have like
the. It's a square sand box with. It's what they

(20:11):
use for Hickory golf. They have that on the line, of
course. Really neat.

That's that Philly Cricket Club.

>> Speaker C (20:16):
Yeah. Mhm.

No way. Yeah, we must have missed that one.

>> Speaker C (20:19):
But you guys had. If you guys are back in Philly, you should go. That's
a true hidden gem, is that.

>> RB (20:24):
Little night hole Force wants to hit that up.
Maybe when we go back to Marion. That was supposed to happen two years ago, so
there you go.

>> Speaker C (20:30):
That was a good trip.

Um, well, you broke your ankle this year, bud.

>> RB (20:33):
So I did. Um,
two things that you mentioned that I want to bring up. Uh,
number one, you know, getting children involved in the
game of golf. Um, I always
went to Pine Needles Golf Camp growing
up. And, uh, we were very close to
Peggy Kirk Bell and she taught me how to play golf.

(20:53):
And um, it's just like what you're saying is
to get kids involved in this game, that's so
great. It's. It's awesome to see. My
son's 7 years old and he's getting involved and
he's starting to take a liking to it. And to see their face when
I do something, well, is. It's. It's
awesome. So. And to be able to

(21:13):
handle them when the parents aren't around is fantastic for you
as well. Um, but.
And then to another point that you made is how hard Q school is.
We just had a guy on that has shot
64 under par last year and.
Monday PGA Tour. Monday Q
school or Monday qualifiers. Okay. 64 under
par total, and he did not make one event.

>> Speaker C (21:36):
Yeah, that's like that Monday Q account. I'm sure you guys follow
that where it posts. He posts all that stuff, stats from that. I mean,
it is unbelievable. And the men's. The men's game, the
women are incredibly talented, and the level
of play has improved significantly. I
think, uh, on the LPGA Tour, the men's side
is next level. I mean, it's insane. The amount.

(21:56):
I'm just amazed at the amount of guys who can go out and do what you
said. Who can go out and shoot 63, 64,
whatever, on a Monday qualifier. Not all those guys could hold
up for, you know, a whole week on tour, back to
back. But there are far more guys, it
seems like, who can throw up those low numbers, uh, in a
qualifier for sure.

It's just. It is. It's
absolutely kind of perplexing to
think about it, you know, when you hear a story like, that
guy can't get in, shoot 64 under in Q
school, or, I'm sorry, on Monday Q's. And,
um, you look at what
hideki shot in Hawaii, 3400
or something. Is that in second?

(22:37):
Like, uh,
how much more, how much better can they get?
How much better can you get as a golfer? Well,
and, I mean, I know. I know Annika thought she could
birdie all 18 holes,
and this is never her, uh.

>> RB (22:53):
You. You can correct me if I'm wrong, and this is the
big debate in golf right now, but I think the only way they're
going to be able to control this, how good these
players are and how far they're hitting it, is the golf
ball.

>> Speaker C (23:06):
I wasn't gonna say that, but I agree.

>> RB (23:08):
Some capacity they have to be able to control the
golf ball. Now, I don't know if you have a golf
ball. It's only for the PGA Tour players to where, you
know, it scales them back a little bit, because you want
people to get involved in our side of it. Right. So you have
the normal golf ball that people can hit it as far as they want it, because in reality,
you're not gonna hit it as far as they are. But I think

(23:29):
that is the one answer to the PGA Tour
is scaling that ball back. Because that's the
fact that's the deciding factor in all this.

>> Speaker C (23:36):
The. There's.
Yeah, I agree. Um, the equipment also
plays a huge role, and I don't think they're ever going to do anything about
that, just because I think that's a lawsuit waiting to happen
with all these equipment companies, obviously that's how they make money,
but, um, you know, trying to sell us on everyone hitting
it 10 yards longer every year. But yeah, um,

(23:57):
the ball, I think if you made it
spin more so that it's harder to hit
it straight for. I mean, between the equipment and the golf ball now, like,
the guys, they have such an easy time hitting it straight. You
do not, like, have to shape shots. I mean, it's so much
easier than it used to be. So make it spin more so
that they don't have as much control over direction. It makes the

(24:18):
guys who are the better ball strikers really stand out.
Um, makes it harder in tougher conditions
maybe, but I don't know that I've looked at so many of
the articles and the studies they've done on rolling the ball back, and
I don't really know distance wise, that
it would actually affect those guys that much. You
know, maybe 15 to 20 yards. That's not changing
things.

>> RB (24:39):
Mhm.

>> Speaker C (24:39):
In a crazy way for them.

I guess. And this might be dumb
to look at it from this angle, but I
don't disagree with what either of you said. I mean,
they've been talking about this golf ball rollback for a while
now, but on the other side of it
is. And this. I'm not asking, this
is, I don't want to say this is a rhetorical question, but

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what is the issue with them continuing on this
path of. Now we have someone shooting 40 under.
We have someone shooting 38 under. What. What is the issue
with them? You know, I, I
don't know. Again, I'm not saying that it's, uh,
it's. It shouldn't matter. Um, definitely.
But what's, what's the opposite
side of this whole story?

>> Speaker C (25:25):
I think that the, the golf purists
just traditionally want
the amazing golf courses, you know, an
Augusta, uh, um, an old course like these
places that are just icons of our game
to withstand the test of time. And there's
something, again, these, you know, the golf purists
really don't want low scores being shot. I would tell you

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that even at Pelican, if the scores are too
low, certain in a couple of the different years past,
like we want to make the greens faster or we want to do something
different to not have someone winning at 30
under par. So I don't know if it's a pride thing from
the golf course itself or
I don't know, but I think there's something

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that makes sense.

>> RB (26:08):
Yeah. And you look at what Oakmont's doing This year bash in our
backyard, um, with US Open coming
up. That's all I hear all the members from there talking
about is it's going to be the hardest U.S. open in history. And
it's like every U.S. open
in the last 20 years. And you're not
any different. They're just that

(26:29):
good.

Yeah.

>> RB (26:31):
And you can speed the greens up.
You might lose a couple shots here and there, but in
reality you can make it par five.
You know, number 12 at Oakmont's probably 660
or 650. Now with the tease move back or whatever it
is. They're gonna hit it in two, dude.

>> Speaker C (26:47):
Yeah. And ultimately I think for those guys,
you don't necessarily have to make it a million yards
longer, you know, and add all these. Everyone's always adding new tee boxes and
doing all these things to these golf courses. Right. But you know,
if you grow the rough up and you make the greens really
firm and fast. Look at like when US Open
was at Shinnecock. Remember when Phil stopped his ball from rolling off

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the green? I mean.

>> RB (27:09):
Mhm.

Yeah.

>> Speaker C (27:10):
They can make without it being
another 500, 600 yards.

>> RB (27:16):
Yep.

So we had.
Speaking of US Open, um, we
had DeChambeaus caddy on
after he won the US Open last year.

>> Speaker C (27:27):
That's pretty cool.

And so great. So he's talk telling us about.
I forget what I asked him. I asked him something about Sunday
round or something or I asked him if he thought
about not hitting driver because remember he's blown it
everywhere and he said no. He
never once thought that. But the issue
was that he
was uh, changed heads before the

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round and the, the
head that was on the driver was actually.

>> RB (27:55):
It was a five, it was a five degree. He uses a six degree
head and it was a five degree. And they had no clue and they.

Had no idea measured that.

>> Speaker C (28:03):
He's so particular about that stuff.

>> RB (28:06):
Crazy.

I know.

>> RB (28:07):
They said they went through, he. He went through four heads on the
range and he hit I think three
balls with each head. And then finally the one head that he was
watching on trackman was right. He just
put it in the end of the round. They realized it was a five degree
head.

>> Speaker C (28:23):
That is crazy. However,
I did not like Bryson very much and it had nothing to do
with the live versus PJ Tour thing. I just sort of thought he was like a little
annoying for a while when he won. And I
know some people had the opposite reaction. I
became so obsessed with him and his. He's just so
entertaining.

Yeah.

>> Speaker C (28:41):
Like give me more. Give me More people like that on Tour, even
on the women's side of the game, like, I want to see more personality
and, you know, he doesn't have to be on YouTube and doing all this stuff.
And, I mean, how entertaining is he?

>> RB (28:52):
Well, I think, too, for. I think
I said this before on the podcast, is
that. That felt like, all
right, the PGA Tour and live. Watching BRYSON in that U.S.
open, it felt like, all right, PGA Tour and live are coming together, and he's the
guy that's making the happen. Because every.
It didn't matter if you were a live PGA Tour fan, whatever you

(29:13):
are. Everyone was going nuts for that guy.
And it was fun to watch. I mean, it
was so fun to watch that guy in that event.

>> Speaker C (29:20):
Just. And then the whole, like, after effect, you know, some people were like, oh,
he's being fake. You know, him with Johnson, Wagner,
Johnson hitting that shot. Like, and then he's, you know, going in the
neighborhood and having everyone, like, the whole.

>> RB (29:32):
Awesome.

>> Speaker C (29:32):
Yeah, more of that.

That's. More of that.

>> Speaker C (29:34):
Needs.

Yeah. 100. You're right. I mean, he.
He does it right. And I think a lot of people probably
would agree with what you just said. I mean, I think he probably rubbed a lot
of people the wrong way, maybe early on.
Um, but after seeing him open up a little bit and
start being the guy, being the face of the crowd
and wanting to interact with people and fans and
showing love, it's like,

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hey, man, you got my stamp of approval all day long.

>> Speaker C (30:01):
Yeah, 100. And even if it is fake, I don't care. He's good
at it.

It's a great actor.

>> RB (30:08):
Well, you. I have to ask you a question, because you were the
only one out of the. These three have played in a, uh, in
a LPGA Tour event or PGA Tour
event. Um, getting into the Annika
at Pelican. What was that whole week like for
you? I mean, like you said earlier in the podcast,
you, um, tried the Q school thing.

(30:28):
Uh, you got to a point where just, hey,
I'm gonna go get a job. And now
you get to live a childhood
dream in a week. Um, what was that whole thing
like for you?

>> Speaker C (30:41):
Yeah, that was so cool, that first. That was my
first year living in Tampa. And so through
our PGA section, so we have tournaments as. Ah,
just golf pros, people who work in the golf industry. If you're a member of
the PGA of America, we have different tournaments that you can
play in and you play for money, so we're pros.
But obviously, again, it's on a Smaller scale because it's

(31:02):
all people who are actually working. Um, and I had a great year,
and I won, um, our section championship and
qualified, so I got a spot in. It was, at the time, the
Pelican Women's Championship. So that was prior to us
partnering with Annika and gamebridge.
Um, and that was the first year of the event, so we didn't have spectators because
it was during COVID Members were allowed to

(31:22):
attend. Um, but, yeah, it was,
like you said, living out a childhood dream.
I'm beyond happy that I got
to experience that and can say that I played in the
LPGA Tour event. Um, but really
funny story. My husband
Justin, um, who, like I
said, runs Pelican, Um, we

(31:44):
met because I took lessons from him. So he
coaches some tour players, um, and is my.
I would say, unofficial coach. But,
uh, prior to the week
starting, you know, he says to me, he's. If
you know Justin, he has a very dry sense of humor. He says
to me, whatever you do, don't shoot 85.
I don't know why this was. He said to me, super

(32:07):
inspiring, right? So I'm feeling really prepared.

>> RB (32:10):
Way to get him driven, right?

>> Speaker C (32:12):
Yeah. With one of the girls that he teaches, Brittany
Altomare, who's an incredible player, incredibly, uh,
accomplished. And, um, we were playing a practice
round, and I hit it so well. I was
playing amazing, and, like, I hold out a
shot on. I don't know if you guys remember the fourth hole. It's just kind of like that long
straightaway par four. But I had hybrid, and I literally hold out for
eagle.

>> RB (32:32):
I'm like, that's his favorite hole.

>> Speaker C (32:34):
I'm, um. Like, we're. Who is favorite hole?

Me, actually.

>> Speaker C (32:39):
Are you being sarcastic?

>> RB (32:40):
No. He birdied it. We've played it three times or four
times. Buried three or four times.

>> Speaker C (32:45):
That's pretty good.

I like that. Green can be tricky,
but anyways, go ahead.

>> Speaker C (32:51):
That's okay.

Um, so you. You make Eagle 4.

>> Speaker C (32:54):
We're having a great practice round. Uh, you know, things are going
well, and then, you know, day of comes, and
I was nervous, obviously, but it's hard to
anticipate how your nerves are going to
manifest in that situation. Um, and, you know, I've
played at a high level many times and many
different events, but this was definitely different. You know, people are all standing
around the tee, and you're playing with other tour players, and I

(33:16):
feel, like, a little out of place because I'm like, oh, I'm just, you
know, a golf pro here bothering you.
Um, but anyway, So I stand up. I was very nervous,
but it ended up being that I had no feel around
the greens. Like, I literally. So I was hitting it fine.
Um, I felt like I couldn't feel my hands
when I got to if I had hit a chip shot or a putt. So

(33:36):
it was atrocious. I mean, like, I could not do anything right
around the greens that day. And I shot 85.
So,
um.
Wow.

>> RB (33:46):
To the original comment, what did Justin
say to you when you shot that?

>> Speaker C (33:51):
Um, I remember walking off. I was obviously
very unhappy. So I remember
walking off the 18th green there, and,
uh, he's like, oh, six. You know what you
shoot? And I said 85. And he's
like, literally, like, looked at me. I think he might have even been
like. And walked away.
M. But anyway,

(34:12):
I redeemed myself day two. I did not make the cut, obviously, after shooting
85 day one, but redeemed myself day two. I think I shot,
like, even or one over par the second day.

>> RB (34:20):
That's awesome.

Wow. That's. That's playing.

>> Speaker C (34:22):
Yeah. So, like, I can. I can play golf.
It's in there somewhere, but, you know. Yeah,
but, uh.

>> RB (34:28):
So difficult.

>> Speaker C (34:29):
It's so hard. And having, you know, these
experiences and playing and trying to, you
know, maintain your own game as a coach really does help
you empathize with people that you're teaching, because,
you know, you might not be teaching even a college player, but someone
who's gonna go play in a match play thing at their club or
their club championship, they feel the same way that I

(34:49):
felt doing that. And so I'm better
equipped to help them manage that
mentally, uh, than other players might be.

>> RB (34:59):
Well, it's. It's funny.
You. Everyone's friends do this. How can that
guy shoot 82 in a major?

>> Speaker C (35:05):
No, you don't understand.

>> RB (35:06):
You shoot 90 whenever there's nobody
around. You will not break 110.

>> Speaker C (35:11):
No. When Dustin Johnson was number one in the world, remember, he shot
80. I don't remember where he shot 80, but he shot 80. So
he's the best player in the world. I mean, it
happens.

Well, and that's the. That's the part of golf that's like,
you. You can't. You can sit there and give someone
drills. You could have them feel certain
ways, um, which, more than
likely, you know, these guys are going out and playing
for fun, you know, playing a little Nassau.
But you get in a little bit of a tournament,
a competition where the. The ball has to hit the bottom of the

(35:43):
cup, and every stroke
counts. It's a different type of game.

>> Speaker C (35:49):
Yeah. Now all of a sudden, we're not scraping eight foot
putts.

No. And, and I,
I know all about that because I, I'm still an
avid amateur enthusiast. Like, I love
signing up for shit and playing whatever I can play.

>> Speaker C (36:03):
That's amazing.

I just like the competitive nature of it. I love it.
And, um. But it doesn't
matter how many times you play in something where it counts.
When you get on that first tee box,
you got the nerves a little bit.

>> Speaker C (36:17):
Yeah.

You got a little bit of nerves.

>> Speaker C (36:18):
Yeah.

And then I, I know what you're saying on the putts,
you know, sometimes you have that feel, but whenever that.

>> RB (36:25):
Counts, it feels that much better.

>> Speaker C (36:28):
Yeah.

Or you don't have any feeling at all.

>> Speaker C (36:32):
Anytime you're, like, leveling up your game. You know, I remember even
playing junior golf, you know, going from playing in local
tournaments to playing in an ajga, um, or
going from playing an AJGA to playing in a college
event. Um, you're just a little more nervous until
you get used to it and kind of figure out how to manage
your nerves. But that is so
important, I think, for people to learn. It's a

(36:55):
learned skill to manage your emotions and manage your nerves on the golf
course, just like it is learning how to hit a chip shot or hit a
bunker shot. Um, you have to practice and kind of
figure out what your feel is and what works for you.

I will say, though, and Pep always says this to me
whenever we're playing, you know, like, just swing, free it
up. You know, don't, don't, don't think about it.
You know, don't change what you've done to guide you to this point. Keep doing
what you've done. And I think whenever,
if, if you can grasp that concept,
um, it does kind

(37:27):
of make sense because I, I, I played in the live
Pro Am at the Greenbrier a couple years ago. I played with Peter
Uline and then Scotty Vincent on the back nine. But
I was the nervous, that most nervous I've ever
been playing in a, in a golf
event and teeing off on number one at the old white.

>> RB (37:44):
And you paid them to play and.

I paid to play. But I'll tell you this much. I played
great. I played great. And the
reality is, is I was just swinging free. It
was like, you know, I was with these guys, but at the end of the day, they don't, they didn't
care how my golf swing looked or whatever. But, you
know, when you can conceptualize that free Feeling
it does. But that's the mental aspect.

>> RB (38:07):
Well, Bob Rotel is a good friend of mine,
uh, my family's. And that's what he always
says whenever. When you're watching a PGA
Tour event and you're seeing a player try to win
for the first time or in a major,
they're trying to win their first major, watch how much the
routine changes on 15 to

(38:27):
18. And you didn't read the putt from
behind the hole that got you to this point. Now all of a sudden
you're reading it from behind the hole
because it's no more important than the first putt on day
one. But we are, we make it more
important. And that's the thing as a, as uh, a player,
you have to understand is that the next shot's the most important.

(38:48):
It does. And stick to your routine. Those PGA
Tour players, they have their routines timed perfectly.
Forty seconds, whatever it is.

>> Speaker C (38:55):
I mean that's an underrated part of Tour players games for
sure. Like you said, I mean if you timed their routines,
it might be different from putting to chipping to full swing,
but it is. If it's 20 seconds, it's
always 20 seconds. Exact same
rehearsal every single time. They're visualizing
or saying the same thing to themselves in their head every time.
Uh, whether that's picturing the target, saying the target

(39:18):
to themselves in their head, picturing their shot shape like a shot
tracer. You know, there's so many different tips and tricks that everybody can,
can try out. But um,
those players are better at using their
skill because they are better at the mental side of
it.

>> RB (39:33):
Mm mhm. And that's why
Tiger woods, how
mentally strong that guy was is insane
ridiculous. To be able to. All the
off golf course stuff that he, whatever, we
won't get into that. But doing all that stuff and, and
being able to come on the golf course and be the

(39:53):
best he was is absolutely incredible.

>> Speaker C (39:56):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean
his dad obviously played a huge role in
his character in that, in that manner. But
um, you know, I think that
teaching even kids when they're younger to start
to picture what's going, going on with their shots. You
know, it can be really simple little stuff. Like I, for example, with kids

(40:16):
we'll use like hula hoops. Can you chip the ball into the hula hoop and get
it from the hula hoop? Right. So giving them kind of a
better imagery for then when they get older, they have a better
picture in their head of what they're trying to accomplish. And
um, because I Think I really believe visualization is so important.
But, um, you know, you hear all the stories about Tiger and his
dad's, you know, dropping stuff in his backswing, and I'm sure
there's other stories, but we haven't heard. But

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he certainly was the toughest of them all.

>> RB (40:42):
For you as a teacher, what's the one
part of the game that you enjoy most with your
students?

Um.

>> Speaker C (40:52):
It'S hard to say. I do really like teaching putting because I think it's kind
of not touched on enough. And most people
wouldn't consider taking a putting lesson unless they have the
yips or something crazy. But,
um, that is by short game stuff is
by far the fastest way that you can drop your score. Like, once you can hit the
ball forward, figure out how to get it in the hole faster
from 50 yards and in. And if you can be better

(41:14):
at that, I guarantee you your handicap will go down.
So, um, I think that's the most rewarding from
a. Working with someone who actually wants
to get better. Uh, some people just take lessons because
something to do, you know, fun,
fun to go practice once a week, and they don't really
work that hard at it. But the people who actually want to get better, the short

(41:35):
game stuff is a big deal.

>> RB (41:37):
Well, if you, you look at these practice rounds that all these
PGA Tour players, all the people that are listening to go to a PGA Tour
event, watch how much more time they spend
around the green than anywhere else on the golf
course. Um, they're dropping two, three
balls in a bunker or pitch shots.
Um, a lot of those PGA Tour players or LPGA

(41:57):
Tour players or Korn Ferry Tour players
play the golf course from the green backwards.

>> Speaker C (42:02):
Exactly.

>> RB (42:03):
So, um, it's interesting,
like you said, I mean, people your 10
handicapper could drop down to a 7 if they
really focused on their. Their putting.

>> Speaker C (42:14):
Yeah. And then even strategically, like you're saying, for a
practice round, you know, um, I've caddy for my sister a lot, who played at
University University of Florida and has played at an incredibly high
level. Caddy for her twice at Augusta.
Um, and.

Wow.

>> Speaker C (42:27):
Yeah. And, uh, she, you
know, doing. I learned a lot from just caddying
for her as well. Even more so than my
own game, just because you see it in a different way when you're
caddying versus playing. But the other
thing that people don't consider is
you need to figure out where the best place to miss

(42:48):
is around a green. So at your home course, even
think strategically, like, where's the easiest shortcut
Shot from around this green. And then
maybe when we're selecting our shot, our club, whatever
it is, into the green, making sure that. And it's not
negative to say if I miss, I want to miss
here. Right. We're not saying like, oh, I don't want to hit it in the water.
We're going to say long left is the easiest chip

(43:11):
shot here. So if anything, maybe I'm gonna take a little extra
club and err on the left side of the green.
Right, Right. Um, those are also little things that can save
people shots. And that's where you see those guys on tour and girls
on tour hitting a lot of those practice shots from
are the spots that are the goodness good
miss.

>> RB (43:29):
So it's funny you mentioned that. When I played
in College, I called Dr. Tella and I said, doc,
I said, how do these PGA Tour players
hit your 50 yard bunker shots? Like, I'm struggling
with this. And he said, it's really easy, Jonathan. He said,
it's called course management. He said, they
don't hit it there. And I

(43:50):
said, okay. Uh,
okay. Which he's right. I mean, you think about
that. Everybody. That is the hardest shot in
golf is your 50 yard bunker shot. And you never see
a PGA Tour player have to hit one because they're either hitting it short
or over. It's back to your managing
the golf course.

>> Speaker C (44:08):
Yeah. And you can even get really specific, uh, Scott
Fawcett, who created Decade Golf, you can get really, really
into, uh, into the weeds in terms
of being very strategic at a high
level. But forget, um, who, what tour player I was
talking to about this may have been someone on Liv, I don't
remember. But, um, was talking to either a coach or a caddie. And

(44:29):
I think it was Jason Bale who coaches, he coached coaches.
Peter Yuan, actually. Um, and they were, he was talking about
how when they go to an event, they use that and they can
figure out, based on the width of the fairway,
whether or not he should hit driver because
of the dispersion pattern of his driver. So again, like,
at a really high level, you can get super specific on

(44:49):
how to best manage the golf course, uh,
even with stuff like that.

>> RB (44:54):
So caddy and Augusta for your sister. So your
sister played at the University of Florida. She's still there or
graduated last spring.

>> Speaker C (45:01):
So she's playing mini tour stuff now.

>> RB (45:04):
What's it like to caddy for your sister? How cool is that?
Caddy for your sister at Augusta, I'm assuming in the.
Is it called the Azalea Tournament?

>> Speaker C (45:12):
The Augusta. The Women's Amateur. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Um, that
was one of the coolest, coolest things I've ever done my
whole life. And sharing that with her was. It was
ridiculous. The first year, uh, because they do
the first two rounds at Champions Retreat, which is, like,
half hour away, um, from

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Augusta, and then there's a cut. So there's two rounds,
a cut. Then everybody, whether you made the cut
or not, gets to play a practice round on Friday at
Augusta, and then the final round is Saturday,
so there's a practice round in the middle of the tournament,
uh, which is kind of unique, but, uh,
first year, she did not make the cut. She missed by one.
This year, she. Or this past year, uh, she made the

(45:55):
cut, and she was in contention on Saturday. She was,
I think, three under on the
round through eight holes at
Augusta, which just, like, the whole experience
of showing up there. I got to go put on. You go in
the caddy room. I get the white jumpsuit. They fit me for my
white jumpsuit. Like, so cool.
And then she and I were both so, like,

(46:18):
overwhelmed and nervous and excited on
the range. I mean, it's literally like being at a gust
on Sunday. Like, you get to use the. The,
you know, players range. And she and I were, like, so
amped up, we went and sat. They have these little, like, tables under
an overhang on, uh, the range. And so we kind of just
like, went over and sat and tried to, like, soak it all in

(46:39):
for a second.

>> RB (46:39):
That's so cool. Cool.

>> Speaker C (46:41):
Um, and then walking over, you know, to the first
tee, through the building there and
seeing, um, they had all of the women
who are members at Augusta in their green jackets, sitting on
the tee, like, right behind the tee. All these people are there just
as many, honestly, as at the Masters.
Um, her name up on the little
slide board, like, it was so cool. And she kept saying.

(47:03):
She's like, what if I top it off the tee? And I'm
like, it's going to be fine if you top it. We're just going to go hit it
again. Nothing's going to happen. No one's going to kill you.
Like, I'm still going to love you. It's all going to be good.

>> RB (47:15):
It's all good.

>> Speaker C (47:15):
Yeah. And it was great. And she really played very well. She kind of had the
hooks with her driver going into the week, and so
that, uh, manifested starting on the ninth hole, she was
playing great. Again, in contention. I think she was tied for second
through eight holes on Saturday and then hooked one
in the trees, left on nine, which is just dead. Made
double, and then made kind of a silly double on 11. But

(47:36):
it was still just, like, the most magical day. We had so much
fun.

>> RB (47:40):
And then that's the week before the Masters. Correct. Like,
it's, like, leading into the Monday.

>> Speaker C (47:45):
Saturday drive, chip and putts on Sunday, and
then that's Masters week.

Shoot. Yeah, that. That'd be. What an
experience that is.

>> Speaker C (47:54):
Yeah. That was wild. Um, learned
so much and had just, seriously, the most amazing
time.

>> RB (48:01):
That's so cool.

Yeah, I. I've. Every time I play
with somebody that's played there, because I've never played
there, um, I always ask them what. What's one thing about
the place that they thought differently
after being on it as opposed to
before? And some people. Patty Maroon
said 16 is not downhill.

>> RB (48:20):
But, uh, I think he's confused.

I think he. I don't know what.

>> RB (48:23):
He's confused.

Yeah, because he. He went there, like, wake
up. Maybe he meant 15.

>> Speaker C (48:30):
He must have meant 15. Yeah.

Uh, yeah.

>> RB (48:33):
I think he had too many high noons in that conversation.

>> Speaker C (48:36):
Yeah. Maybe that sounds about right for
him, because I. I.

Pep and I froze for a second, and we're 16.

>> RB (48:43):
We're like, wait a minute.

Wait. So I say. I
say, oh, so it's level. And he goes, yeah, it's level.
But meanwhile, I'm like, I didn't think it was
ever downhill.

>> Speaker C (48:55):
So you must have been talking about what. What?

>> RB (48:57):
I think he had to have meant 15 because
that's the only approach shot coming
down the stretch. I mean, you're. You've been there. That
would be the only one that I would think that's downhill
15. 16's, uh, level. 17's a
little uphill, if anything. And.

>> Speaker C (49:13):
Yeah, everything's uphill. Yeah.
Other than 15.

>> RB (49:17):
So he lost. Other than that, he's lost.

>> Speaker C (49:19):
That's okay. Well, but I would. I think the. The
most shocking thing is if you haven't been on the property before, the
undulation there you can't see on tv. I mean, it is. The. The
elevation change on those holes is
crazy.

Yeah. Well, yeah, we.

>> RB (49:34):
We were.

We went a couple times to go watch, and that was the first.
The first time that I actually stepped foot on property. That was the one thing
that, you know, it's. It's
not. It's very undulated. It's very hilly.

>> Speaker C (49:45):
Yeah. And there is such a premium there on
hitting the ball in the right part of the green. If you don't have control over
your golf ball there, I'm to you.

Hey, I want to ask you because I know we're kind of running.
Running here, but, um, so with Golf
Pass, you know, you work with the Golf Channel,
you got your own kind of network thing. You know, people. What is it? People
could subscribe to you on Golf Pass and
you kind of give playing lessons or. How's that work?

>> Speaker C (50:14):
Yeah. So Golf Pass is just a yearly subscription that
anybody can have. It gives you access to making tee times at different
golf courses and then has a whole library
of content, ah, on there from
a wide array of coaches that have worked with them over
time. So, um, lots of different
amazing coaches. But you can go on and watch all the video content. I think

(50:34):
it's like 99 bucks for the year.
Um, so there's lots of cool perks with that. And then some of the stuff is on
Peacock as well on the app, Ah, that you can go
on on your tv. And then,
um, some of that content they've now pulled to
Golf Channel. So somehow I lucked out
and a lot of my stuff is on Golf Channel now, which was not originally
supposed to be the case, but, um, that's been kind

(50:56):
of neat to get more of it out there. But I just film with them a couple times a
year, and I've got my own show with them now and
quite an adventure.

So do you think we'll ever see you? Maybe, uh, you've already
done this, like, on the course, walking around,
interviewing people or, you know, doing
play by play. You know, like, Dottie Pepper's out there now. It's going to be
Natalie Sheehan.

>> Speaker C (51:18):
Um, I actually did do kind of a walk and talk
with, uh, with Tom Abbott from Golf Channel at
our event this year at Pelican, and really
enjoyed. That was fun. And,
uh, it was easy chatting back and forth with him, so that was
great. Uh, one thing I am interested in doing.
Last year I went to Valhalla for the PGA
Championship, which was cool for a number of

(51:40):
reasons. Uh, mainly also because that was when Scotty got
arrested in that whole ordeal. But,
um, I did with
espn and I actually did instruction
during the coverage on their featured
groups. So if you were watching
espn, it has, like, all the different little screens
up and in between shots and in

(52:00):
between polls, I would pop in
and do a drill, describe a shot the guys were going
to hit, hit a shot, talk, uh, about how someone at
home might learn from or relate to what they were
doing. Um, so I'm hoping to do more of that,
um, going forward. I think that's a Kind of fun
and engaging way to make the broadcast a little more

(52:20):
interesting and people at home.
So maybe not necessarily, uh,
commentating, but hoping to do something like that.

That's cool. I just was curious because, like I said, I saw
you kind of were linked up with them and whatnot
and just didn't know how that was, how that was gonna shape
up in the future.
So, yeah,
we do have to finish the show here with
our standard tap in segment, Natalie,
uh, which is presented by Betonardi Golf. Check them out

(52:51):
online@betnardi.com Pep's gonna ask you a few questions that
demand your quick response here, and, uh,
we'll take it away from there.

>> RB (52:59):
All right. Least favorite club
in Y3 wood.

>> Speaker C (53:04):
I always have hated it. I have pictures of
topping it in my head still from when I was
younger.

It's a tough one, I guess.

>> RB (53:14):
All, uh, right. Music or no music on the course.

>> Speaker C (53:17):
I know.

>> RB (53:18):
Pelican. No music.

>> Speaker C (53:19):
You can, you can, you can. I. Paliki, but no music
for me.

That's fair.

>> RB (53:27):
All right. Dream foursome, dead or alive.

>> Speaker C (53:30):
I gotta be politically correct. I can fix some good ones here.
Um, I've been lucky enough to play with
some of some people that are really cool, but,
um, I would love to play
golf with Butch Harmon, um, or just
hang out with him. I don't even know if he really plays golf anymore.
I really should know this, like, off the top of my head, but,

(53:50):
um, a president would be cool to play with
any president. My husband got to play with Trump, which was really
cool.

>> RB (53:58):
That's awesome.

Yeah.

>> Speaker C (53:59):
Um, who would my other one be?
This is bad. I gotta think about this more. I should have this, like, rattle to
the box.

That's a tough one.

>> Speaker C (54:07):
We.

We can admit. You can have a threesome.

>> Speaker C (54:09):
Yeah. There we go.

Perfect president, Butch Harmon and you.

>> RB (54:16):
All right, last one. What are you chasing?

>> Speaker C (54:20):
Just to create more golfers. That's what I'm. I'm
after. Uh, my. My kind of passion for this
year. My thing I'm moving towards is. Is getting more women who
are in business to play golf so that they have more
opportunity in whatever they're doing
in their corporate life.

I love that. And that's. That's
it, man. We got to keep growing the game, and that's partly what
we're trying to do too. So.
Um. But, Natalie, it was awesome having you on,
girl. We really appreciate you carving out some time.

>> Speaker C (54:50):
Hopefully next time you guys are at Pelican, we can tee it up.

Yeah, let's do it. For sure. Yeah, we'll definitely get it in.
And you have a, uh, you know, continue on
your path this year and wish you the best of luck.

>> Speaker C (55:01):
Thank you.

>> RB (55:05):
Fantastic. Fantastic interview. Thank you,
Natalie, for coming on. We appreciate it.
Can't wait to see you, pelican. Maybe you can take a look at our
swings, um, on the range next time,
um, because we all need some
help with that.

Um, yeah, no, it was awesome having you on, and
we do appreciate it. Very good.
Very good.
Uh, episode here on Chasing Birdies, I must say, you know,
it's funny about golf. I was thinking about just
what I do, what you do whenever we're practicing.
You know, I know I practice more than you, but it's all about
feels, you know, and, like, there's no wrong answer,

(55:42):
you know, in golf, it's like if
you create this drill that. That gives you
this feeling of where you need to be at impact or
on, uh, the top, your backswing or something. Like, if it works for
you, then it's not
wrong. And, you know, I think that's. That's
cool. I don't know. I don't know any other sport where it's like that.

(56:03):
Maybe. I don't know.

>> RB (56:06):
Yeah, you're completely right. I also like what she
brought up, which was. It's very interesting. I never really
thought of it until she made mentioned it. Um,
was how good, you know,
your Butch Harmon's, your leadbetters, the world
really are, because they didn't necessarily have that
technology that all these teachers

(56:26):
nowadays have, and they. They kind of had to know where
that positioning was without drawing it. And line. You
know, lines this, that, and the other. Um, so
that is a good point that she made.
Um, now that you look back on it.

Yeah, no, it's just change everything.
And, like, putting, you know, she really enjoys teaching
short game, and I think more people need to kind of drink the Kool
Aid in that, because that is where you're gonna save strokes. But
for me, putting is like art.
You know, there. There. There is a specific
speed and line on every
putt that will put the ball in the hole.

(57:03):
There's no two ways about it. You just got to find that
speed in that line. But every putt
can go in the hole.

>> RB (57:10):
Correct.

And, you know, and that's. That's the big thing that I
think, for me specifically, I like to really.
I believe that it's like,
there's a pathway here. You know, it's like driving to your
house. But I just get on the road. It's going to get Me there.

>> RB (57:26):
Well, and I feel like, you know,
the strong suit of your game. Huh. Is
generally putting. Do you feel like
you've gotten away from that a little
bit over the last couple years? And, um, I'm just on the outside
looking in. But do you feel
like part of that's because you have. You. You don't practice

(57:47):
that part of it as much?

Yeah, I think the last couple, two. Two
seasons specifically, I just. I've kind
of gone through the change with the putters, you know,
really putting the bet Nardi in, which I love, and getting
acclimated to that. I putted very well with
my Scotty back for years, and
I had great success with that betonardi.

(58:10):
And fast forward now I got the new
Bednardi, um, that I've been
using, so I don't think so much it's about
me in terms of my, um,
my how I approach it. It's just a matter of
me now looking at a couple different things
and feeling confident with. With certain putts,

(58:30):
because at the end of the day, that's what
you got to think. You got to think this putts going in. You got to stroke it. You got
to have confidence in that. And. And,
um, I think that's where a little bit of my
fall off has happened. But. Yeah,
um, but I still like it. I still like
it.

>> RB (58:46):
But, like, you know, Natalie said that is where you
can make up a lot of shots in the
round of golf.

Absolutely.

>> RB (58:54):
You know, like I said, you watch these PGA Tour practice rounds.
Everybody from Pittsburgh going to the U.S. open. Watch how much
time these guys spend on the greens opposed to hitting
tee shots, hitting approach shots. Yeah, they're getting
a feel for the greens. They're spending 20 minutes,
25 minutes around that green, uh, hitting different pitch
shots, hitting bunker shots, bumping runs,

(59:14):
whatever, getting creative. It's because that's
the most important part of the game. Yeah, like,
but I. I get it. You can hit a 350. That's fine. That's
great. Can you get up and down from, you know,
20 yards?

>> Speaker C (59:27):
Yeah.

Get that thing in there.

>> RB (59:29):
Uh, so without further ado,
I'm gonna probably see this Saturday, bud.

Well, in other news, this week, we, uh, celebrated, uh,
the birth of our dear friend Brandon Katsif.
Uh, on this past Monday, the 13th, Mr.
Katsif turned 40, and, um,
so, naturally, we celebrate. We celebrated in November. We
celebrated a couple weeks ago. You. You'll celebrate tonight. We're
gonna celebrate Saturday. Um, so

(59:55):
hopefully he remembers this time in his life when he turned 40.
Because I know I will. And it's been great.
I love it. So happy birthday, BK. I hope
a couple days in the 40 is treating you all right.

>> RB (01:00:08):
Yeah. Okay. Happy birthday, buddy. We love you. You're
the best. Um, the best. Yeah, I feel like I've been
celebrating. It's been November, but.
Yeah, early November, actually. Not back to
Napa. We'll keep it rolling into
this Saturday.

>> Jonathan (01:00:23):
Yeah, we'll, uh, we'll catch you up at the peak at
Nemicolon, uh, which, by the way, in the
event you people out there there are looking for a little
pick me up over this winter season, especially if you're
local, make sure you check on over to Nemacol and Resort
in Farmington, Pennsylvania, where pretty, uh, much
anything you want is there. Check, uh, them out
online@nemacolan.com. check out

(01:00:46):
Gusto, the new Italian restaurant. Maybe roll down a nightcap
for a little burlesque or, uh,
you know, a little jazz session down there. And naturally, in the
summer months, the golf courses are
awesome. So nemicolon.com for all your needs, check
them out and maybe we'll see you up there.
But would love that
for all the loyal Chase and Birdies fans out there

(01:01:09):
who have. This will be coming up on our fifth
season in March. Fourth year, fifth season.
We are now elevating ourselves a little
bit so you'll no longer just
be, uh, listening to us. You'll be able to watch
all these episodes on our
YouTube channel in the near future. Probably give us a couple

(01:01:29):
months, but in the works right now to elevate our production
set here, which is gonna bring you a better
listening perspective. And frankly, it's gonna be more fun
for us to do these shows. And maybe we won't even do
shows. Maybe it'll be, you know, breaking news,
what have you. So stay tuned for
that and, uh, if you really want
to. And that's pretty much all I got

(01:01:52):
in terms of the announcements, but I love it, man.

>> RB (01:01:54):
Ah, I love it. It was like, listen to my school principal.
Um, you know, Mr. Pepe, report to the
office. We go again. Um,
but everything you said, I second.
Um, so have yourself a great
next week and a half until you have to listen to us
again. Uh, chasing underscore birdies.
Tap it like it, follow. Um, as

(01:02:16):
Ryan said, we've got a lot of cool things coming up. You know,
you're gonna be able to watch a little bit more, uh, maybe some quick
hitters. And, uh, you know, we, we are
about a month and a half away from the first event of the year
at the Pine Needles Invitational, which. Good
job getting in, bud.

>> Jonathan (01:02:32):
Oh, I was sweating.

>> RB (01:02:35):
I mean, I had to. I had to pay Blair
to. To get.

>> Jonathan (01:02:42):
Oh, shoot. Well, I look forward to that, bud.
And, um, and you guys out there, make sure
you check us out here on Chasing underscore
birdies.

>> RB (01:02:51):
And.

>> Jonathan (01:02:51):
And give Natalie Sheen a follow on Instagram. She puts
up a lot of great content. Uh, her handles natty
golf, so make sure you check her out as
well. And you guys enjoy your
weekend. Have a blessed and. And happy weekend.
And as always, we will catch you all in
two.

>> RB (01:03:09):
Ciao.

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