Uncovered Stories - Jake Stoutland

We’re back this week with a fresh one, and Jake Stoutland delivers an outstanding guest appearance as he joins us to get into some golf talk and such. The episode begins after our ~10-minute opening with the two of us, and then we roll it into Jake.

We open up the discussions with Jake giving us a look at his background. As an avid golfer, he wasn’t necessarily in the golf space until one day he realized he had a knack for knowing stories that pertained to golf. Because of this, his storytelling social media handle was born. 

The conversation explores various themes, including the importance of community in golf, storytelling, and unique experiences offered by elite clubs. We highlight the golf in the Northeast and Long Island area. It’s true that a golf experience at a club is more important than the score you shoot, agree? We hear a sick story about the creation of Sand Hills Golf Club in Nebraska that few may know.

 We turn the page and get into some Masters talk and what it was like seeing Rory win the Green Jacket. We chat about the future of golf and the direction it's headed. At the end, we finish with our standard tap-in segment where we ask Jake questions that demand his quick response. Tune in, share, and give Jake a follow on Instagram. His storytelling will keep you wanting more. 

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Episode Transcript

>> RB (00:00):
Foreign

(00:02):
M.

>> Jonathan (00:07):
You guys out there tuning in today to
Chasing Birdies. We're glad you're here. Whether you're driving
in a car, sitting on a couch, or in an airplane,
we know that today we are going to have something
important to talk about here on this
episode of Chasing Birdie. So, my man J.P. what's going
on?

>> RB (00:25):
Hold on, let me adjust this Zen.

>> Jonathan (00:27):
Oh, um, you're on a Zen train. You're in Zimbabwe.

>> RB (00:30):
Yeah, uh, I'm in, I guess. I
don't know. Yeah,
I had a really stressful day. I was so aggravated the one
day I pulled off on the turnpike heading back
from York, uh,
Pennsylvania, back to Pittsburgh.
All this tariff talk. I wanted a
cigar. I don't smoke in my car. So

(00:53):
I stopped and I said, um, can I get Zins?
And the person looked at me like, well, what
flavor? And I said, well, what flavors are available?
And she didn't get past citrus. And I said,
give me the citrus threes.

>> Jonathan (01:07):
Oh, my God.

>> RB (01:08):
And it's been nice, dude. It's nice. Little, like, I, uh,
haven't smoked as many cigars, so. I don't know. I don't know. I
don't know.

>> Jonathan (01:15):
You and JR Hess love the citrus. It probably
really, actually is a benefit
to you, though, for someone that is partly
addicted to the full rush of
nicotine with something in their mouth as a
cigar. Um, this is probably a
good thing for you, dude.

>> RB (01:33):
So we're here, and I feel kind of cool, like, you know, you
put the little puck in the back pocket, let people know
it's there. Um, I got yelled at on the
plane. You're not allowed to do it on the airplane or it's not allowed to be
out. Um.

>> Jonathan (01:49):
Which I don't get why they.

>> RB (01:50):
Said it's illegal, but the guy's
like, listen, I don't care. He's like, I'm just telling you because my.
My counterparts do care.
So either way,
um, today's episode is brought to you by Red Family. Make sure
you go check them [e-mail]. um,
the Chasing Birdies 2 man is brought to you by

(02:12):
Red Valley. We have 52 guys signed up. I think
we're just gonna cut it off there. Another people. If somebody wants to join, they
can, but we gotta find another person.
And the way people are paying, we might
not have an event, so. But, yeah, it's exciting
stuff.
So, uh, m. We had a
good little hiatus there. A little break, I

(02:33):
shall say. But we did some videos, the Masters
videos. And let's talk about that.

>> Jonathan (02:37):
Man, let's talk about what
happened catching up here
on this episode. It's been a while since we had an episode with,
with a guest on the show, which we'll get into that. But,
man, this goes back before the Masters, which has now been
a couple of weeks. That, um, was one of the
most, as we all know, thrilling
Masters in a long time.

>> RB (02:58):
Yes.

>> Jonathan (02:58):
I mean, I think 20. What was it? 20?
Uh, 18 was the last time there was a playoff to decide
to winner, which, in fact, I happen to be at.
But, uh, no. Dude, I was so Happy to
see McElroy M. Get it done. I mean, how could you not?

>> RB (03:13):
There's a couple things that
your average golfer won't recognize
that went down in those last few holes.
Um, you know, Bob
Rotella, who works with
McElroy, is big on sticking to
your game plan. What got you in the situ. You know, what
got you in a place to be in the lead by three, four,

(03:36):
um, whatever it may be. Um, so when he
got the 13, he took three wood out. Seemed like a great
play, right? Um, but he had driver every
time on that hole. Thursday,
Friday, Saturday, he had three wood. Sunday goes to lay
up flares this
wedge that he could have hit 45ft past the. The
pin. Now, if

(03:58):
he hits driver, he's going for it. And two,
obviously, even if he's not, he's laying
up towards the. The short of the creek.
Really short of the creek. Or if he goes for and two and hits
in the creek, he's dropping right at the creek.
So that's one thing.
Second thing. I don't know if a lot of people noticed, but

(04:19):
his. Him walking from 18t in
regulation to his second shot, he was hyperventilating. He
literally was hyperventilating.
And if you pay enough attention to routines on
the PGA Tour, they are, you know, let's
just say, uh, like Padre Harrington's routines. Like 43 seconds on
the dot. Every time it's the same.

(04:41):
His routine was so quick, he just wanted
to get it out of the way that second shot, and he pushed it
right into that bunker. He goes to hit his
third bunker, that third shot out of the bunker, which was a
fabulous shot. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying it was all up to
it. The camera panned away from
him to show the crowd it almost didn't catch him.

(05:01):
Bunker shot because he was hitting it so quickly.
It's almost like he just wanted to get it out of the way.
And, um, when he. He pulled that putt
it was a right edge putt. And I'm thinking, oh, my God.
But, man, did he step up with some
kahunas in that second shot. Stuffed
it, made the putt. And you talk
about. We've witnessed a lot

(05:23):
of great moments in sports history
in our life that might have been the most
relieved
athlete you've ever seen in your whole entire life.

>> Jonathan (05:35):
Hands, um, down.

>> RB (05:37):
So it was really cool to see. I mean, it was awesome to see him
just soak it in like, it was like a kid dude.
And I firmly believe, and I said this on the episode that you're going to be
hearing today. I firmly believe he's going to have three
or four majors in the next three
to four years. Um, yeah, you
know, the PGA is at Quill Hollow. Love

(05:57):
that course for him. He's one there and he loves it.
Yeah, Oakmont, I think, is a great
course for him if he can get that putter hot.
Uh, I'm not worried about his. But one at a time
drivers or anything. And then the British Open,
I think. Is it in
Ireland?

>> Jonathan (06:14):
I have no idea.

>> RB (06:15):
I think it's in Ireland. Um, I think it's. What if it is
Port Rush? I think.

>> Jonathan (06:22):
I don't think it's a Porsche Port Rush, but.

>> RB (06:25):
Well, uh, wherever.

>> Jonathan (06:26):
Port rush, like 23 or
4. Either
way, if it's in Northern Ireland or Ireland, then you might be
right. I. I don't think it's at Port Rush. Fact
checkers. Hey, are you guys over there? Can you fact check this for us,
please, so we can. Thank you. Thank you. But yeah, dude,
my.

>> RB (06:43):
My Palm Dunloose got course.

>> Jonathan (06:46):
Okay. Never heard of it. Wait, I don't know.

>> RB (06:49):
No, it is. It is. Sorry. It's the Royal Port
Rush in Northern Ireland. So I was right
and all you fact checkers are wasting your
time.

>> Jonathan (06:58):
Well, they just confirmed. The lady over there in the corner just told
me.

>> RB (07:01):
So, um, Royal Port Rush 2025. So, I
mean, he could win one or two in the next three this year. I
firmly believe.

>> Jonathan (07:08):
I was absolutely ecstatic for that win.
And my palms are so sweaty watching that final
round, especially the final hole when he
was, ah, attempting to hit that bunker shot. Dude, my. My
palms were just sweating. Naturally, I had some coin riding on the
guy, um, which we won't get into that.
But the point being is I was. I was a little
bit on edge. A little?

>> RB (07:29):
Well, I mean, it was. We won't get into the exact numbers, but it was
like you made the cut, but finished last in the cut line,
so congratulations. To you, it's like you played
in the Masters. Um, yeah, but it was,
it was fun to text with you and see what you're gonna do.
Um, but congratulations, bud. I mean, thanks for.

>> Jonathan (07:47):
I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Yeah, the, the
move, taking Justin Rose after he
birdie 12 and then
he somehow ends up in the lead after 17
or 16, whatever. And that thing was just like.
I'm. Like, I'm out, cash out, jumping off.
So it was a great. A lot of luck. A lot of luck. But then the

(08:07):
following week, this past weekend in Hilton Head at the
rbc, we go into another playoff
scenario. This time, fan favorite J.T. gets it
done on the 18th hole, makes birdie
at Harbortown against Andrew Novak. Now, I
don't know if anybody knows about this Andrew Novak cat, but apparently he played
golf at, uh, Wofford, which I know Wofford simply

(08:27):
because of their bulldogish type
logo. Because
the Terriers. Yeah, in basketball, I
love taking WOFFORD, you know, plus 16 and a half.
So my man's really starting to play good. He's got a couple top
10 finishes right now. But that was a thrilling.
That was a thrilling golf tournament, you know,

(08:48):
and I didn't realize. Did you know that
that tournament has been playing every
year at harbor town since
1969? That's
56 years.

>> RB (09:00):
Yeah.

>> Jonathan (09:00):
That is insane.

>> RB (09:01):
And I think a lot of the PGA Tour players like it because small
greens, they're really small greens at Harbor.

>> Jonathan (09:06):
Town.

>> RB (09:09):
Past, um, guest Colton Ost. I think he shot his career low
on Harbor Town. Um, and he
hits, you know, five hybrid
195 yards. So, um.
But yeah, it was, it was a great finish. I actually
watched the playoff. JT
smoked one down there. There guy Novak hit it
15 yards by him, but he pulled his second shot.

(09:31):
JT hit to about 20ft and just jarred it. It would
mean with center cut the whole way. And again, another one
hasn't won in three years.
You know, that's the first time
that in any of his wins that he had to make a putt on
18 to win.
So everything else he said just happens.
It's already been a win. You know, he had two, three shot lead,

(09:54):
whatever. That was the first time he's ever had to win in a
playoff. And I make a
bomb.

>> Jonathan (10:00):
Yeah, that was hella
good. Look at me.

>> RB (10:04):
He's been in mix like I'm studying. You see this,
bud?

>> Jonathan (10:07):
You're like Jim Nance. I mean, my God, this is
incredible.

>> RB (10:11):
So, uh, what's been going on with you, bud?

>> Jonathan (10:14):
No, man, just living a dream, you know, playing a
little G. I want to say a couple shout outs to some hole in one
guys. Carson Verzella recorded his first hole
in one ever in Scottsdale, Arizona last
week. So shout out cv. And then our
boy IPA on Easter day knocks it
in at the wood Sugar wood, apparently
for his hole in one on Easter day.

(10:37):
So all glory to you, ip. Uh, congrats,
boys, on the hole in ones. I got a chance to play golf
with Steve Peering, Eric Childers and
Adot at Pete died last week in Bridgeport.
And my God, was that course incredible. I mean,
Peering, uh, you know, he wasn't riding with
me, so his game was a little better than what it's
been in the past. So, um, I don't know, man. It

(10:59):
was, it was just a lot of fun seeing those boys. They,
uh, missed you. They want. They wanted me to tell you hello. So that's what
I'm doing.

>> RB (11:06):
That's nice. And Steve Piering asked me to
like. Where are you going? I'm going to
Denver. You want me to set up golf? I appreciate it,
bud, but you were the last person that I would want
setting golf up for me. I'll fly across the
world with my golf clubs thinking I'm playing somewhere,
and I show up to this public golf course and I don't even
have a tee time. So I just drag my clubs all the way out here and don't have a

(11:29):
tee time. So, no, I appreciate the thought, but I'm
handle my own golf, um, when I, when I
need that.

>> Jonathan (11:35):
Well, there we go. So
today's guest, Jake Stoutland, joining us here on
I love you, but he does.
He does. We all do. Stout,
um, land on Instagram. This guy has the
most entertaining factual videos
of golf knowledge. Whatever you want. He puts

(11:56):
it out there. Has a great following. Really, uh,
starting to make a little name for himself in this, in this whole world of
social media. And thanks to Pepe for knocking on his
door multiple times. Multiple times. Kind of
reminded. Probably takes you back to high
school a little bit. Just banging down the doors. We, uh, we
got him on. And it's a fabulous episode.

>> RB (12:17):
It's. It's an awesome episode. And like you said, I. I've been
knocking his door down. Gets a lot of messages so
that I don't feel as bad. Um, but persistence
overcomes resistance. My mom always told me that. So here we
are. But really looking forward
to this episode for everyone. And I, uh,
think we should just roll on over to Jake.

>> Jonathan (12:36):
Yep, let's do it here on Chasing
Birdies, man.
It's been a while since we've had a fresh new episode of
Chasing Birdies, especially with a guest. I know
Pep and I have been yucking it up a bunch, both of us, but we're kind of
tired of that. Not really. But
today we are joined by a fabulous guest. You may know
him from Instagram, YouTube,

(12:59):
all his facts that he has that will blow your mind.
I don't even know how you know these facts, but Jake Statland is joining
us here on Chasing Birdies today,
and my man, thanks for coming on the show.

>> Speaker C (13:10):
Yeah. Appreciate you guys having me excited to be here.

>> Jonathan (13:13):
Yeah, I love it, dude. You know, Peps,
Pep's been telling me about you now for two
months at least, and he's like, man, this, this guy,
these stories, this whole vibe, man. So, yeah, we're
absolutely stoked.

>> RB (13:26):
I'll tell you what.

>> Speaker C (13:26):
Oh, I hope I can live up to the hype.

>> RB (13:28):
Yeah. I'll tell you what, kids. Don't give up. Don't ever give
up. I sent enough messages to this guy to.
To get him on. He finally responded, so here we are.

>> Speaker C (13:37):
Yeah, sorry, I. I do
get a lot, and it's really hard to keep
track. So, yeah, just be persistent. That's great
advice.

>> RB (13:46):
See, that's the moral of the story, right? There's a.

>> Jonathan (13:48):
Keep knocking doors down. Yeah, keep knocking doors.

>> RB (13:50):
I do have to say, you know, I'm gonna get this started
because you were talking about, uh,
you had a video that, um, you were
talking about the craziest, wildest
names in. In golf, right? And I
think you came up on number seven or eight, and
it's Yakagi Country Club, which is in my

(14:11):
backyard, in which I grew up there. I still play
there. How did you even
get a hold of that name? I mean, because it's not like it's
a well known name, but did
somebody send you that?

>> Speaker C (14:24):
Yeah. So a lot of this stuff now, when
I first started the account, it was my knowledge, but my
knowledge only got so far. Turns out my base
knowledge of golf was good enough to
build a really good following
of golf nuts. People who just love
golf and love golf for

(14:44):
the most organic reasons. And that's a
really good cohort of people. As time
went on, follower count got
bigger and got more people kind of on the wagon.
And I've been using Instagram
stories as a, uh, almost an
idea crowdsourcing tool. And

(15:04):
there's so many good ideas. There's so many more knowledgeable people
about Golf than I am. I'm, like, pretty knowledgeable,
but there are so many people that are more knowledgeable than I am, and I'm
aware of that. And so, yeah, somebody sent me that
one, and I said, okay, you gotta send me a voice
message, like, pronounce, uh, how to
pronounce this club's name, because I don't want to butcher
it. And he. I think I can't remember who did it, but

(15:27):
they sent me. They sent me a couple, and I sent them back. I
said, yaka ganey Yakageni. And
he's like, bingo. I'm like, okay. Boom.

>> RB (15:35):
I would love to know if I know this person, because, again, uh,
this golf course is in the middle. We're in the
middle of western Pennsylvania. It is a hidden
little gem, and it's like
6,500 from all the way backs, but the greens are really
fast, rough gets tall. But, um, man, when
I saw that, I was sending it to all the boys, uh, that are members

(15:55):
over there with me, and we were just
laughing so hard because it's like, how. How did you get this
name? So it's interesting to hear that.

>> Jonathan (16:03):
I mean, it is a cool track, you know, there's no doubt about it.
He's kind of got that old country club feel. You know what I mean?
Um, they got it.

>> Speaker C (16:11):
That's what I've. The coolest part
about what I've. What I'm
starting to build is the relationships and the people
I get to meet, and then the insight that I
learn that that is a golf club that I never would
have found, I never would have knew about.
But I have people

(16:31):
that send me stuff that, I mean,
it's sometimes easy to, like,
figure out who is. Knows what they're talking about,
who's not, just by how you write or. There's a lot of, like,
indicators now that I've gotten so many messages.

>> Jonathan (16:45):
Yeah.

>> Speaker C (16:46):
And it's pretty clear. Sometimes somebody will send me something. It's like, oh, this
person knows. And I'm gonna, like, Google this. And. Oh,
uh, they're right. So,
yeah.

>> Jonathan (16:56):
You know, when. Whenever you're doing something like this with respect
to your. Your page and whatnot. I mean, it is
in essentially a business, you. You know, so you start
from that ground level. You try to put out what you know, like you
said, all the knowledge, you know, but then you kind of hit a ceiling in that regard.
But how did you keep it going? Because there's so
many things on your page that just

(17:16):
not only would. Would. Would like, like
Me personally, I'd ever think about. But the fact
that you know it to a, uh, T. Like, for example, the
title is Golf Ball. The guy taking X rays of
the ball. Like, that is such a. A fact
of golf that I guarantee you most people
don't know.

>> Speaker C (17:35):
Yeah, I think that's true. And
sometimes I have to remind myself that
what people I hang around with at the golf club
know, most of the world probably doesn't know.
So I do have an advantage where I've spent
a lot of time at the golf course in my life,
and since about the

(17:55):
past 10 years, I've taken an interest in. I,
uh, don't know, this might be not the nicest or elegant way
to say, but the finer things in golf architecture and
just the nuances that go into making an
experience special,
and I think that
quality is just. It's being
observant, being very observant. And I've

(18:16):
been able to travel
to a lot of really special places. And when I go there,
I'm not. It's, uh, not just like
going in one ear, out the other. I'm eyes wide open. I'm taking
notes. Um, I'm, um, watching everything.

>> Jonathan (18:31):
Yeah.

>> Speaker C (18:32):
And so to answer your
question, like, how do I find these stories and how
some. Most of them are kind of given to
me, but, like, somebody will send me an idea
or, you know, I just. I'll go on Google and I'll just
start searching stuff. I mean, that. That story actually
was. It's on Titleist's homepage. It says

(18:52):
the whole story right on the homepage of about. On the
Titleist. I mean, it's right there. Now,
the. The nuance there is
storytelling. Yeah, that's. That's
what makes this. That's what makes that video do
good. And I. Once you get the story,
it's like, okay, the easy. That's like the easy part. Now you have to tell the

(19:13):
story. That's the hard part. And that's where
I think, um, I've gotten pretty good at doing.

>> Jonathan (19:18):
Oh, yeah. Uh, no doubt about it.
Like, you. You. Because, you know, nowadays with
videos, what we've learned here with our podcast is that,
like, people will look at a video or a reel. They may
only watch it for eight to 10 seconds, you know,
but how do you captivate someone into
to watching the whole thing? And I think you exhibit
that so well because your storytelling, you know,

(19:40):
your. The way you use your words, the excitement
in your voice, but it's like, I just want to sit there. I'll sit there. And watch your
videos. I'm like, uh, right, this one, check this one out.
Ben. Ben Curtis, the guy ranked
369 and, oh, three wins the British Open. I mean,
shit like that. That it's like, you know,
I don't know. It's cool stuff, man. For golf junkies, it's great.

>> RB (20:00):
Yeah, it is.

>> Speaker C (20:01):
That's. That's the learning here. It's.
You need to focus on a really small
group of people or person. And almost I'm
talking to myself, like, what would Jake want to
know five years ago that he didn't?
And I'm my own audience. And some
of the stuff I make, like the, the Ben Curtis

(20:22):
one, I don't think that got a lot of views. I was proud of that video. And I
felt like when I learned that, I was like, oh, my gosh, I did
not know the story. And this was like, really cool.

>> Jonathan (20:30):
Yeah.

>> Speaker C (20:31):
But to. To hit on something you said at
the beginning was like, watch time. And how do you
get people to hang around in short form there?
I've learned a lot. I got lucky early on because
I, I hit a couple home runs with my first, like,
three videos and I was like, oh, this is
easy. And it's not.
But it's not easy.

(20:53):
I got lucky, but I kept showing up because I went
through it. Well, uh, at least to me. It felt like I
started off really hot and then it just was like
grind, you know, you weren't getting. I, um, mean, I wasn't
getting six figure views on any videos. And I was like, okay, just
put, put your head down. You got to get through this. But what I learned is there's
like, uh, three things you need to do in

(21:14):
the first three seconds that are absolute
must for short form video. I can go down that, but this
isn't really short form video podcast, so I'll leave that. But they're
like, there are parts.

>> RB (21:24):
I know. We need it. Tell us.

>> Speaker C (21:25):
You need a visual cue,
like on the screen. You need a visual text that
tells people, like in a minute or two, for a second
or two, you need something that comes across the screen. If you watch any of my
videos, you'll see there's a text now coming across the screen
and it's moving. It's not just there already.
You want it to come in and people's eyes see

(21:46):
that. So that's like their first dopamine. Uh, hit. The
second one is. You'll see there's pictures above me talking
that are going fast. They need to match
very well to the text coming across
the screen, they need to match what that's saying
very well. And that visual cue on the screen needs to
be enticing. And then the third thing

(22:06):
is actually what you're saying, that's also very important.
But I think it's probably the third most important part.
But they're all important, and if you don't nail all three of those,
good luck.

>> Jonathan (22:18):
Yeah, you need it all. That's the ingredient.

>> RB (22:21):
Well, Bash, it looks like your job just got a little harder.

>> Jonathan (22:24):
You know, it's funny talking about this golf stuff and
some things that people don't realize or don't know and all this
cool stuff. And I think what I'm about to say, I
think a lot of people know this, but to the
extent of how legitimate it is, is really
surprising to me. And. And I just golfed last month
with a, uh, member from Butler, and I was talking to him about

(22:44):
the no. The no menu that they have. Like, literally,
it's like, hey, if you go to Butler national, they don't have a menu.
So I brought that up to him. I'm like, hey, man, I'm like, you know, the no
menu thing, I've been there. Pep and I've been there, you know, and
naturally, we know it's true, but to what extent can you really push.
Push it? And he's all, dude,
it's 100% legitimate. Like, they literally
say, whatever the hell you want. We will get you

(23:07):
anything. And they try to screw them. They try to tell them, like, stuff
like sushi, for example, and then they're asking them if they want tuna
or salmon, like, they make anything happen. And to
me, that is unbelievable
as a club to just roll out and say, no menu. Whatever you
guys want, we got you. And it's legitimately true.

>> RB (23:24):
The first time I was at Butler national, that was
my experience. They came over and said, what would you like to order? And I said,
well, uh, I haven't received the menu yet. There's no
menu. What would you like? And I said, well, I said,
what's really good right now? And the lady said, our
swordfish is out of this world. And I
said, I'll take it, because
it's just easier, right next thing.

(23:47):
Well, which sides do you want? I need
options. Just whatever. Throw something on there.

>> Speaker C (23:53):
That's awesome. These are the experiences that
you remember. These are the experiences you remember. And
I've realized also that we
almost don't play golf
for this. I mean, a lot of people do play for the
score, and I do But I think, um, what I more go there
for is the experience. And it's not just

(24:13):
the golf course. It's everything. From the second you
pull in to the entrance to the.
To everything in between. I'm talking everything.
And these elite golf clubs, everything
are, uh, have. Have
identified every single touch point. And,
and like, you're talking about Butler National. That's unique. That's something you
remember forever. Like, where else can that happen

(24:36):
in the world?

>> Jonathan (24:37):
Yeah, right. No, it is. It's a cool fact.
And, you know, and that's why I asked the question to him,
because I was like, really? How far can you push it? And he's like, there's
no limit. I mean, literally, whatever you want,
which.

>> Speaker C (24:49):
Is overwhelming for me too. That would be over. I wouldn't know what
to. For each.

>> Jonathan (24:53):
Yeah, I know.

>> RB (24:54):
That's exactly what I did. I'm like,
I, uh, don't know. Cheeseburger. They'd be like, yeah.
Ah, we. Unfortunately, we don't have that one.
Um, but you talk about golf
experiences, and I think even Ryan,
um, and myself, when we walk away
from. From playing somewhere that we haven't
played, we, uh, talk about the vibe a lot.

(25:16):
And you talk about how the staff was,
or the food was, or this, that, and the other
as, uh, before it was just go play golf. You're in
and out. You drink beers and have fun.
Um, and we're. We're going down to Sage
Valley here in about a week and a half,
which the guys that I'm going with have
not been there yet, and I was there in the fall.

(25:39):
And you talk about a golf experience.
That one from top to bottom is like everything
there. You remember
everything. The caddies, the, the snack shops, the.
The pro shop, the bars, the restaurant. Like you remember it
all. And, and to me, It's.
It's like a 10, uh, out of 10 golf experience.

>> Jonathan (25:59):
I'm excited to join you.

>> Speaker C (26:00):
I haven't been there yet, but I've heard it's exquisite.

>> Jonathan (26:04):
But I mean, again, the story of that too, you know, I guess the guy
was developing Walmarts or owned Walmarts or lands or
something to that effect.

>> Speaker C (26:11):
Yeah, um, Walmart. And I don't know the
full story, but I think it had something to do with not being able
to, uh, enter, become a member at the
club down the road. So.

>> RB (26:21):
Yeah, well, I actually played with the
owner's accountant in October, and I have
the story, so I'll share it with you.

>> Speaker C (26:29):
Okay.

>> Jonathan (26:31):
Secret. Secret sauce.
So, Jake, you, um, naturally are a lover
of Golf. You've been playing golf for a while, I take it. Uh, where are you
based out of?

>> Speaker C (26:41):
Philadelphia.

>> Jonathan (26:42):
Oh, you're Philly. Loaded.

>> RB (26:44):
Oh, what a pocket of golf, dude.

>> Jonathan (26:47):
Loaded. I mean, yeah. So you're not too
far from us. Um, where do you peg it up? Out that
way.

>> Speaker C (26:53):
I'm in a little club called the Spring Haven
club, founded in 1896.
Our kind of little claim to fame is it's the first
course designed by a woman, Ida Dixon,
and notable name here in the Philadelphia region.
Well, there's been a lot of other architects that have kind of had their hands on
the course. William Flynn being probably the most notable.

(27:14):
But, um, great little club. It's not
long, short par 70, but,
um, you know, small greens, and they. When they want them
to get fast, they're lightning. And,
um, it's a. It's a. It can be a real
test. But I'm happy over there.

>> RB (27:31):
Well, I mean, the. The Philadelphia golf.
I. I mean, I haven't played too much there, but the
Philly Cricket Club. Love that place.
Um, Bash. We played at Stonewall as
well, which, again, one of
the. One of my favorite logos is Stonewall with
the. The cow head holding the golf club. Um,

(27:51):
but there's so many good golf courses in Philly. It's. It's kind of
like that New York vibe, too, right? Like, there's pockets
just north of the city of New York, I believe. And. And it's
just, you know, you got your wing foots and
Westchesters and all that. So, um,
that northeast, we talk about it all the time.

>> Speaker C (28:10):
The golden age.

>> Jonathan (28:11):
I'm actually.

>> Speaker C (28:11):
I was actually thinking about doing a video explaining, like,
why, how did this happen? And the
short answer is that's the industry
in 1900. That's where the wealth was.
New York, Boston, Philadelphia.
And that's where all the money was coming through. That's where all the.
There was, um, a lot of wealthy people. There was demand for

(28:31):
golf, and therefore the best architects
were there most mostly. And you got the
best land and the best golf courses. Now, I
think the best golf courses might m. Be biased.

>> Jonathan (28:42):
Best region. No, no, no, I don't disagree with you at all. I
think that that northeast region
is.

>> RB (28:48):
Well, even western Pennsylvania. I mean, you look at western
pa, where we are. I mean, Ryan's in
Morgantown, um, which he's at
Pikewood National. Pete, uh, Dye and
Greenbrier. So he's at a few.
Um, but then on western
Pennsylvania side, you know, we. We've got the Laurel Valleys, the
Oakmonts the Fox Chapels, the Alleghenies. I

(29:10):
mean, it's just, you just keep going and it's like,
you know, again, a lot of people don't realize that.

>> Speaker C (29:16):
I agree. A lot of people don't realize that whenever
they're, oh, ah, gainy drop, drop. Another
yakini. Um, Schuylkill too.
Schuylkill. Over here we got Schuylkill Country Club. That's another sneaky one.
But, um, I do a little video
where you, ah, kind of, kind of bait people or usually
like the best city in the world for golf is
one. You'd never guess. It's Philadelphia. And

(29:39):
I, I don't know. I really think from a. If you draw a
50 mile circle around the center of Philadelphia,
you're going to be hard pressed to beat it. Because if you did a 50
mile circle around New York City, you're not going to get
Long Island. Um,
so, like all those courses are out,
so I don't know. It's hard.

>> RB (30:00):
Within 50 miles of Philly, isn't. What. How
far is Pine Valley is that?

>> Speaker C (30:04):
Ah, 30 miles. Oh, no,
10, 15.

>> RB (30:07):
It's because you cross that bridge and.

>> Speaker C (30:09):
It'S, it's there, it's there. It's people
outside the region say, oh, Pine
Valley is not a part of the Philadelphia region. It absolutely
is. South Jersey is part of Philadelphia. In,
uh, my opinion. I mean, South Jersey, it's New Jersey. So
don't New Jersey people. It's New Jersey. I'm not saying
it's not new people.

>> Jonathan (30:27):
What do you insinuate?

>> Speaker C (30:28):
They're all coming into Philadelphia and that's
what it is. So.

>> Jonathan (30:33):
Yeah, no, totally. I
know. There's no doubt about it. You'd
be hard pressed to, to lose an argument over that region
of being the best.

>> Speaker C (30:42):
And then even like just outside, uh, you've
got Lehigh Country Club up in, um, that
area and Saucon Valley. Those are two
elite golf clubs. Uh, they're country
clubs, but elite.

>> Jonathan (30:55):
I hear rolling green's pretty good too.

>> RB (30:57):
Where. Bash, where's Taylor at? Lancaster, uh, Country
Club.

>> Speaker C (31:01):
Lancaster. Lancaster. Ah, mispronunciation
there.

>> Jonathan (31:04):
Um, what is it called? Lancaster.

>> RB (31:06):
Lancaster.

>> Speaker C (31:07):
Link, you can't. You guys will know. Like, I
get smoked on, uh, these.
If I mispronounce anything. It's just you're
getting the, you're getting people coming in with, like, their
pitchforks. Like, yeah, you mispronounced my
club. And I'm like, I'm not trying
to insult anybody. Like, come on, guys, calm
down.

>> Jonathan (31:27):
So what is the proper Pronunciation.

>> Speaker C (31:29):
Lancaster.

>> Jonathan (31:31):
Lancaster.

>> Speaker C (31:32):
Yeah.

>> Jonathan (31:33):
Wow.

>> Speaker C (31:33):
It's like.

>> Jonathan (31:34):
Lancaster.

>> Speaker C (31:35):
Lancaster.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Uh,
but that. That is an elite golf course. Lancaster
Country Club. That is one of my favorite.
And I. That's
not gonna say it. That's really high on my list.
Philly area. Really, really high. I love
it.

>> Jonathan (31:55):
So tell us and the listeners out there, because I know we got
hundreds of them right now tuning in when this episode
drops. You know, give us a story of
yours that you might feel
is one of the most interesting finds or
learns that you've had that, you know, at the top of
your head that would make someone go, damn, I didn't know that. That's pretty
rad.

>> Speaker C (32:16):
Ooh. Um, spot. All right,
so
we'll go, um. We'll go Sand Valley.
No, Sandhills.

>> Jonathan (32:27):
Sandhills.

>> RB (32:27):
Sandhills.

>> Speaker C (32:28):
That's a bad. Sand Hills. I get those confused for some
reason. Sand Valley's in, um, Wisconsin. Sand Hills is
in Nebraska. In the middle of nowhere. So there
was this guy named Dick
Youngscap, and
he got an idea. He said, I want to build one of the best golf
courses in the world. And

(32:49):
he was searching for the perfect piece of land. He wasn't finding
it, but he finally found a piece of land that was
humongous, but he felt was like the perfect piece of land for
a golf club. It was four hours
away from Omaha, four
hours away from five hours away from Denver,
and the closest airport was one of those two. So

(33:09):
it's just. Or there's a private one that's
like an hour or so. It's in
the middle of nowhere. So that's a big problem.
And at this point in time, when he bought
or when he decided to do this, there was
not, um. There was
not known demand for a destination. Private.
Private golf club where members are. It's

(33:32):
a national membership, and people just come in for
a weekend or a couple days to golf.
But he had a real vision, and he
said, I'm going to do this. I'm going to go through with this.
So he picked the perfect piece of land. And the
second beautiful thing that he did is he hired Corin
Crenshaw, the architects. And the
coolest part about this is

(33:54):
they had their sum of money that he said, okay, here's the amount of
money for the golf course.
85% of the money was used on
irrigation. So, uh, in that. I'm
saying they didn't move any land. They went out there, they looked
around, and they said, this is a hole. This is a hole. This is a hole.
They planted grass, they put green sites,
they shaped green sites, but they weren't, they didn't move

(34:16):
land. The beautiful part about that is they
found a golf course in the middle of nowhere,
put up a golf club, and now it's the top
10 golf course in the world.

>> RB (34:26):
That is story that is 85% of
their budget went on water.

>> Speaker C (34:31):
Yeah. You're lining the, uh. Yeah, yeah.
Putting in the system, the lines.

>> RB (34:36):
That's really cool. Now I've heard of Sandhills, and
I do the same thing that you did, so I get them confused
just because it's so similar.

>> Jonathan (34:45):
I think Danny Woodhead was talking about Sandhills when we had him on
a.

>> Speaker C (34:48):
While back because he's an epic place. I haven't been, but
I, I mean everybody that goes there is just. It's
experience like no other. And they have a pretty awesome
halfway house. Uh, burger. Apparently there's a guy that
sits there on the grill cooking burgers and the, the
cows are just right across the line there and he's like, yeah,
these are fresh.

>> Jonathan (35:08):
If you guys, both of you were to build a
course or a club, what would be your
number one highlighted feature of this
club? Like what would it be?

>> Speaker C (35:21):
Oh, I see my stance
on that. Is
there, uh, one thing, one elite thing isn't going to
make, make a golf club
great. So I don't know if I, I
mean, I guess the course, I mean the course needs to be
great, but I don't think just with an
elite course, I still don't think you

(35:43):
can. Well, maybe that's not true,
but I guess the course. I guess the question would
be you got to pick the right architect. So that's the answer. The
architect.

>> Jonathan (35:53):
That's pretty good cigar.

>> RB (35:54):
I would probably say the same thing now that I heard him say that,
but I would also probably focus on the vibe. I'm,
I'm a vibe guy, so I kind of hang. I would,
would focus on the hang and yeah,
making um, it fun because
I've played a few courses over the last couple years that,
you know, are built up to be something

(36:15):
special. And you play the course and you're kind of like, meh
m. The course is okay, but I
walk away and had a 10 out of 10 time and it was a
blast. And um,
so I, I think the vibe can
help make a decent course
better, so to speak.

>> Speaker C (36:36):
I agree. I, I think but take.
Get that vibe. In my opinion,
there just needs to be a lot of things that happen. There needs to be
leadership that ah, enables the vibe. Yeah,
there needs to be the
employee. There's the whole. I mean, there's so much that goes into
it. There's so much. There's so much nuance there.

>> Jonathan (36:56):
I think travel, destination golf is, is the way,
like, for some of these clubs that are, you know,
not close to us or you, and you want
to join on a national membership and be able to go there twice a
year for three days, take the boys, whatever. Um,
um, I think that has just grown in, in so
much popularity over the last five or ten years. And I don't know

(37:17):
why. I don't have any facts to back that up. It's just my opinion.
But all these club. You talk to different
people, different people, and they're at this club down there, they're over there,
they might go twice a year. But the fact
is people want to travel, to play good golf.
And ultimately getting back to what you said earlier, to
have a good time, the experience, that's what it is.

(37:37):
100%.

>> Speaker C (37:39):
That's the, that. That's the
instinct in the brain. That's what, um, that's enable.
That's empowering these decisions of people to
do these things. It's like we want experiences that we can
talk about for the rest of our life, where we spend it with our
best friends and, uh, don't really have a lot
of worries out there. I think that's another reason
why, like, some of these clubs

(38:01):
really are strict on, like, the phone policy.
And I used to just think this was so stupid.
Like, I really didn't like it, but now I'm almost accepting
where it's like, now I have an embedded
excuse that's legit, that, hey, I was out of pocket
all day. I was over at this place and
get back to you tomorrow. Or like, there's like, it's a
reason, it's a real reason to just not deal with the phone. And

(38:24):
that's a breath of fresh air.

>> Jonathan (38:26):
Well, and it keeps you present. I mean, at the end of the.

>> Speaker C (38:28):
Day, that's the best. That's what it is.
I'm. I'm the worst. It's just, you're on
a golf course and suddenly you're looking at your phone. You're like, what am I doing? I'm at
the most beautiful place in the world. And why am I, like, in this
fantasy world?

>> Jonathan (38:41):
I think we all are. It's true. It's like, it just keeps you present,
keeps you locked in.
Speaking of no phones, uh, and I know at this
point in time, this has been a couple weeks ago.
But the Masters recently wrapped up, and we got an
exciting. This set the stage for an
exciting remaining three majors, in my opinion.
You know, with the pga, the US Open at
Oakmont, and then naturally the Open Championship.

(39:04):
So Rory got the job done. He
finally got the monkey off the back. And, you know,
they were showing photos of him winning, and every
person in that crowd was just focused
on what was happening in that moment. No one had their phones out.
No one was video recording it, whatever. But
what was your take on the

(39:24):
2025 Masters
tournament?

>> Speaker C (39:30):
Relieved. Proud. Not proud.
Relieved that Rory won. I.
I really felt I was
having, like, real sensations
of like, I want him to win, which I
really have never rooted for Rory that much in my life.
I mean, I like him, but,

(39:51):
you know, I'd always been like, Tiger for sure. And then if there's
other guys around, sometimes I like to root for other
guys. But this one was like, I'm, um, just I
want Rory when this so bad. And my heart was in my
throat on that eight, that putt on 18 in regulation. When
he missed it, I said, oh, my goodness, like, I can't even
imagine how I'd feel right now. But credit

(40:11):
to him, he compartmentalized that,
that and just hit a great drive on
18, hit a great wedge and finish
it off. So, yeah, relief.
That's my feeling still.

>> RB (40:24):
I think that if he did not
win that thing,
number one, we'd be still talking about him not winning the
Masters next year or whatever. Um,
but I don't think Rory would be
this. I think this was a big career
swing for him. I don't think Rory would have been the

(40:45):
same player after losing the masters
with a three or four shot lead going into 13.
Essentially, it's wrapped up.
I mean, really, it is with, with his playing ability,
the way he's been playing, there is zero
chance he was going to lose this thing. And then all of a sudden, it just started
slipping, slipping, slipping. Now all of a sudden,

(41:07):
you know, a lot of people don't. Didn't
recognize his walk from 18T
in regulation to his second shot.

>> Jonathan (41:16):
Mm.

>> RB (41:17):
He m. Was hyperventilating. He was literally.
You could just see it in him. And
then also he
was very quick on his second shot. That's not being talked
about. He wanted to get it out of the way. He just
want. I mean, look at.

>> Speaker C (41:33):
He was playing fast that last hole.

>> RB (41:36):
He got in the bunker, the camera almost missed
him hitting that shot. Went out of the bunker on
18. And so
I say that because, you know,
uh, Dr. Bob Rotel is a good friend of the show, and
he works with Rory. But his big thing is,
why are you making this shot any more different

(41:57):
than the last 71 holes? Right? And I get
what. I get what you're gonna say, but
that got you here. Stick to it.
Stick to your routine on your second shot. I mean, for him to miss a
green from 115 yards is a wedge.

>> Jonathan (42:12):
Especially when he was wedging it good. Other than 13,
that is insane to me.

>> Speaker C (42:16):
Pressure.

>> Jonathan (42:17):
I think there were two shots in that round
that exhibited his
not only skill set, but just where he was with
his game. And whether or not those shots had
any, they really didn't have an effect on the
outcome, because ultimately, the 18th hole played the
biggest effect on the outcome. But. But. But he

(42:37):
was dead off a seven tee
box. I mean, he was left. He was dead.
And he hit this shot over the tree. Didn't even know where
it was going to go. You know, swung as hard as he
swung as hard as he could, got that ball up.
Everyone's looking around for it, and it lands on the green. And
he himself, you could tell, was like, what in the hell just

(42:58):
happened? I didn't even think it was going to get there. He had nine iron from, like,
175, opened it up or whatever. But
that shot and then the shot on 15
when he hit that high, towering draw in there,
that in itself, just those
two shots. Again, not saying those had any effect
on the outcome, because I don't think they did. But I think that

(43:18):
just showed where he was in his mindset and his
ability to pull off a victory.
Um, and then naturally, you can argue the t
shot on 18 in the playoff. I mean,
that's how much pressure is on that shot.
Well, first off, he waited. How long did they wait
after 17 in regulation? They waited

(43:39):
because Oberg was botching 18 up.
They waited probably seven minutes before they teed off.
That hasn't.

>> Speaker C (43:45):
That was. That was. It was an EP. Uh, I
thought it was over on 13. Tee Box. I went. I left the
house. I took my dog for a walk. Like, I thought
it was done. After he hit the 12 tee
shot, I did in my mind, like, okay,
where can this really go that much wrong? And I
was like, I guess if he hooks it off 13 like he did on

(44:06):
10 in 11, like, I
guess, but I don't. And then he hit the three wood, and I'm like, I don't
see. And then I walked in.

>> RB (44:13):
What.

>> Speaker C (44:14):
I don't know what happened between. He laid it Up. And I walked in, and
all of a sudden, like, they're zooming in on the ball
in the water on 13. I'm like, wow, did he
really do that? And then I'm like, oh, this was his third
shot. I thought he went for it in a second. That was his third shot.

>> RB (44:28):
He would have been better off doing that.

>> Speaker C (44:30):
He would have been, because he would have saved his stroke. But,
um, I. I just think
that the amount of pressure
that he felt.

>> Jonathan (44:39):
Oh, my God.

>> Speaker C (44:40):
Was just
incredible. He got over it, though.
So I would say, watch out.
Yeah, watch out.

>> RB (44:50):
Well, in our lifetime, we're, you know, I'm
38 years old. I look like I'm 55.
Um, but in our
lifetime, we've seen amazing
athletes, right? All sports.
I don't think I've ever witnessed an
athlete, one of the best,

(45:10):
have such a relief from.

>> Jonathan (45:13):
From.

>> RB (45:13):
There was so many things that just came off his back there.
And I agree with what you just said. Watch
out. I would say he's gonna win four to five
majors over the next three or four years.
And this monkey is off his back. He
is. He is going to absolutely just roll
now.

>> Speaker C (45:32):
Yeah, I'm here for it.

>> Jonathan (45:34):
Yeah.

>> RB (45:35):
I think Oakmont's perfect for him, too.

>> Jonathan (45:38):
Well, how about Quail Hollow? I mean, he's won there.

>> Speaker C (45:40):
Quail Hollow, he's known. But Oak. I can't wait for
Oakmont. Oh, man.

>> Jonathan (45:44):
Yeah.

>> RB (45:45):
And you've played there, right?

>> Speaker C (45:46):
I haven't, but I've seen. I
should go out there, but I don't think I can do it before the
Open. But, um, I'll get out there. I
know. I know enough people out there that I could. But, um,
that's gonna. I cannot wait.

>> Jonathan (46:01):
I know. And it's the same thing every time it comes to Oakmont.

>> RB (46:04):
Or.

>> Jonathan (46:04):
Actually, no, it's the same thing every year. Every
Open, is anyone gonna play?
Well, are they gonna eat it up? Blah, blah, blah. And then it's like,
you see what Bryson did at number two.
Um, but I do think Oakmont is going
to be an absolute test.
And I haven't been there. I haven't played in a couple of years

(46:25):
since the modifications were done. But from what I hear from people, from
what he and I hear, probably the same things you hear Jake.
It's like the course is going to be
absolutely bitching for that golf
tournament. So it's going to be fun to watch.

>> Speaker C (46:38):
Oh, it's gonna be. I'm. I'm here for the day where
the weather changes. They get wind that goes from like 5
mph to 20 mph. Balls are not.
They can't stop on green. People are going crazy. They've
lost the course. Like, um, it could happen
at Oakmont. I mean, they. Those things. Those
greens are just diabolical.

>> RB (46:58):
Was it Shinnecock?

>> Speaker C (47:00):
Yeah.

>> RB (47:00):
The one where that was an absolute mess with the greens.

>> Speaker C (47:03):
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.

>> Jonathan (47:05):
Yeah. That's where Phil. Remember Phil Mickelson? Yeah. He
just tries to stop it.

>> Speaker C (47:09):
Yeah.

>> RB (47:10):
Daily did.

>> Speaker C (47:12):
He said, this ball's not rolling anymore. I'm hitting it
back.

>> Jonathan (47:17):
I love. There's a part of me I don't care. At
the end of the day, I'm happy for whoever wins. Truthfully. Like,
that's a major championship. They work their ass off to get to that point.
So, like, I'm not going to say, oh, I'm disappointed somebody won
the major. No. But there is a part of me, and I told this
to Pep, naturally, outside of. In this case,
DeChambeau, who I love, and in

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this specific tournament, Patrick Reed. But outside of that,
dude, you look at these guys that defected to
live and these majors in the last.
I don't know. They're nowhere to be found, dude.
Like, they're nowhere to be found in terms of. In
the mix.

>> Speaker C (47:52):
Yeah, but I don't.

>> Jonathan (47:54):
You don't know there's any correlation?

>> Speaker C (47:56):
Well, how many people are on live and how many of
those live players are playing in the major?
And then what percentage of those are
finishing top 20? I don't. I don't think
it's. I think it's just when you go from that, like,
okay, how many players are in live? Let's say 100. I don't. I think
that's high. How many are playing in the Masters?
15.

>> Jonathan (48:16):
6. Yeah. 10.

>> Speaker C (48:18):
10. Okay. They had two in the top
10.

>> Jonathan (48:22):
Yeah.

>> Speaker C (48:22):
That's pretty good if you look at it like that.

>> Jonathan (48:24):
In this case, it was. Yeah.

>> Speaker C (48:26):
I just think they're getting, like, the.
The ranking system is not working in their favor because
all those guys are just losing out in points
everywhere. Um, it's obviously
not. It's not good for them, but I don't think that
those guys are, like, lesser players.
Koepko was right in it, and he
quadrupled 18 somehow. Yeah, Koepko

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was. He was, like, right there.

>> Jonathan (48:49):
And I'm not. Not rooting for them. Uh, and that's what I want to be clear
on with what I just said. Like, if Koepka's in the mix, dude,
I'm cool with it. It's all Good. But I just. From my perspective,
it's just like maybe. And maybe
I'm wrong for thinking that maybe my thought of them not
necessarily all being in the mix is just such a
terrible thought that it's not even worth talking about. But

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again, it's just my perspective on it. Um,
and dude, I would love to see DJ
in the mix coming down the stretch. You know,
I'd love to see that. You know, I don't think
he's done, um, that Cam M. Smith. Cam Smith.

>> Speaker C (49:24):
I like him. There's some guys I like over there. I like Koepka. I
think he's a killer.

>> Jonathan (49:28):
I don't have an issue.

>> Speaker C (49:29):
He's a. He's a, um. He's like a Michael Jordan out
there. He's just a killer.

>> Jonathan (49:34):
Yeah. No.

>> RB (49:35):
You know who I haven't heard in the last two years
of Matt Wolf.

>> Speaker C (49:40):
Oh, he.

>> RB (49:41):
You talk about two years.

>> Speaker C (49:43):
I think it's been more than that gun.

>> RB (49:45):
You, uh, didn't even hear about the guy?

>> Jonathan (49:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's nothing.

>> Speaker C (49:49):
He just started off so fast. Wing foot, was it?

>> RB (49:52):
Yeah.

>> Speaker C (49:53):
Top five or something? Yeah.

>> RB (49:55):
Uh, that's a gem. Oh, man.

>> Speaker C (49:58):
Yeah, there's. It's the northeast.

>> RB (50:00):
Yeah, it's just. It's just keep.
So, Jake, what. Before you did
this, what. What was your profession? What is your profession? Is this
what you're doing full time? What. What is that like for you right
now?

>> Speaker C (50:11):
Yeah, I'll give you. I'll try to keep it under 30. I don't know if I can. But,
um, I did my
MBA right before COVID
and then it went into Covid at Villanova. I did that in real
estate and finance, and then I went into the
private equity world in real estate
and quickly realized

(50:32):
that that might have not been a great
decision to cater my education and my life to
that line of work. Although it was a clear
path to stability and
making a good amount of money, I really,
really did not enjoy what I was doing.
So, um, I left that

(50:53):
about a year and a half ago. And I
intended to buy my own
apartment buildings. Sub institutional, like
under 100 units. I was going to raise LP
capital and I thought it was going to be a really opportune time
to buy real estate because interest
rates were up, there was blood in the street. Nobody knew what

(51:13):
was going on. It just was a bad time for real estate. And typically
in those times, it's good to buy. Turns out.
Well, I can't say it turns out because I don't know yet, but it really
did not Feel like a good time to buy. And everything I
looked at, um, just from a metric
standpoint was no good. And so I
kept looking, but in my free time, I started doing this.

(51:33):
And, um, it quickly
became, uh, a
lot more fun. I enjoy it,
and it's become, uh,
a business. So I pretty much
have fully turned my attention to this in 2025.

>> Jonathan (51:51):
So a couple months
talk about two different spectrums, you know, private equity,
real estate, and raising capital. And then it's like,
well, I got this thing going on where I'm talking.

>> RB (52:02):
About 31s and Ben Curtis.

>> Speaker C (52:05):
Yeah, it's very different, but there are a lot of,
you know, it's business at the end of the day, like,
well, it's not. So what the. The video stuff, that's
creativity, that's artistry. But then, like,
if I have to make, I need to make this a business and I gotta make
money somehow. And a lot of those skills I learned in my
MBA and in business, they're transferable

(52:25):
and contracts and all that stuff. And I
think I feel confident
about that side of the business, so.

>> Jonathan (52:32):
That's awesome, dude. Yeah.
Yeah. And believe me, I have not come across
anyone like you in terms of what you're doing. I think you do have
a niche. Really do. I mean that.

>> Speaker C (52:43):
Um, I appreciate that. Thank you for saying that. It
feels. Gotten that feedback. I've
gotten that feedback a handful of times, and that gave me
the, uh, the power to say, you know
what? I really think there's something here. Even if the money wasn't there
yet. It was like, I feel like there's
a group of people that believe in what I'm doing

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and. And sometimes the money comes
after the product or
whatever.

>> RB (53:10):
Right.

>> Speaker C (53:11):
And I think this is one of those situations where it's just like, you keep building, you
keep doing, you keep producing good
stuff for the world and just good things, good things happen.
Yeah, that's the intention.

>> RB (53:21):
Couldn't agree more with you.

>> Jonathan (53:23):
Yeah, you guys got to give him a follow on Instagram, Stout
S T O U T dot land. And
you will see his profile pop up, man. Really cool
stuff. Um, very interesting, man. It's like,
yeah, like I said. And who knows? You might be
for hire. At some point, someone might come in and say, hey, uh,
let's get you in a. In a member. Guest

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somewhere, or let's.

>> Speaker C (53:45):
Oh, that's been. I. I
cannot believe how many
golf invitations I say no to now. I mean, I
just, uh, I.
There's, you know, I got to make videos and I gotta I gotta produce
content. But it would be nice to play golf every day, which a lot of
people like. That, follow me, are like, do you play golf every game? Like, no, I

(54:05):
just. The days I do, I try to post it and share it because
that's kind of my job now, and I enjoy that.
But, um, no, it's pretty good. Like,
I'm trying to make a living here, literally playing golf.
So that's not bad.

>> Jonathan (54:19):
Well, hey, man, hats off to you, you know. Have you ever
read the book the Alchemist?

>> Speaker C (54:24):
I don't think I have, no.

>> Jonathan (54:26):
Oh, uh, dude, it is a phenomenal book. In fact,
I just started reading it again. It's called the
Alchemist talks about your personal legend.
Basically, you had a dream as a
kid, and as time goes on,
the world, the universe changes and people forget
about their dream. But the reality is you got to
hold onto that dream, create your personal legend

(54:48):
and remember where you came from ultimately. So
it's a great book. Read it if you like reading.
Um.

>> Speaker C (54:54):
Oh, I love it. I just wrote it down. So I'll read
it and I'll let you know.

>> Jonathan (54:58):
I love it. Chasing birdies, man. That's what you're doing.
So, um, it was a pleasure having you
on the show and. And naturally grateful for your time.
But before we end pep, you got anything else you
wanted to or you want to roll in?

>> RB (55:11):
No, I'm going to roll into the tap in segment, brought to you
by, uh, betting arty golf asked you four
questions. Give us your best
answers. All right. Least favorite
golf roll.

>> Speaker C (55:25):
Golf roll, yes. What do
you mean by that?

>> RB (55:29):
So, you know, playing out of a divot
or a rule?

>> Speaker C (55:34):
A rule. Oh, sorry. I thought you
meant God. Okay, understood. Um,
well, now that you say yeah, I don't. I don't like hitting
it down the middle of the fairway 300 and then being in a hole.
I really wish that was
somehow, like, could be changed.
So, um, I'll give you another one.

(55:55):
I think there shouldn't be out of bounds. It should just be all hazards.
If you hit it out of bounds and you figure out when you're all the
way up the fairway to walk all the way back the tee box, it slows play
down. It's. I just. I
don't. I think it should just all be hazard.

>> Jonathan (56:09):
Steve Piering would love that role.

>> RB (56:11):
Yes. He would be all in on that buddy of ours
dream. Um, foursome, dead or alive.

>> Speaker C (56:19):
Oh, man. All right, we'll get interesting.
Okay, so Tiger woods is going to be in there. I'll
Throw in Anthony, um, Bourdain. Oh,
just a wild card there. And
then my dad.

>> Jonathan (56:33):
That's a good one.

>> Speaker C (56:34):
There we go.

>> RB (56:35):
And for those of you listening, uh, your
father, is he the running backs or the
running backs coach for the Philadelphia Eagles?

>> Speaker C (56:43):
No. Offensive line and run game coordinator.

>> RB (56:46):
There you go.

>> Jonathan (56:47):
You know, um, he has a Super.

>> RB (56:49):
Bowl ring after this year. That was awesome to watch.

>> Speaker C (56:52):
Two. We have two now he has two.

>> Jonathan (56:54):
Do you know a coach by the name of Tyler Brown, by chance?
Yeah.

>> Speaker C (56:57):
Yeah, of course.

>> Jonathan (56:58):
Yeah. So that's my cousin.

>> Speaker C (57:00):
No way.

>> Jonathan (57:01):
Yeah, I was just.

>> Speaker C (57:02):
We were just talking to him last night.

>> Jonathan (57:04):
Yeah. Yeah, that's my cousin. Yeah.

>> Speaker C (57:07):
Wow.

>> Jonathan (57:07):
Uh. Huh. Uh-huh.

>> Speaker C (57:08):
Small world. Yeah, I know. Tyler. Yeah. Tell him we spoke. He'll
know exactly who I am.

>> Jonathan (57:12):
I only see him on Instagram. M. We catch up every now and then. You see?

>> Speaker C (57:15):
All right, then I'll tell him I spoke to you.

>> Jonathan (57:16):
Yeah, you tell him. Yeah, yeah, you tell him.

>> RB (57:19):
All right. Um, your favorite golf club.
In the bag.

>> Speaker C (57:24):
Nine iron.

>> RB (57:25):
Oh. Geminate iron. So we're back to
back. All right. And last question. What are you
chasing?

>> Speaker C (57:33):
Happiness. M. That's what
I'm chasing. I. I,
um, I studied abroad in
2016, my junior year of college, and I
realized that I studied abroad in Spain, and I realized
that people in Spain work to
live, and I
was brought up and my whole life was live to work.

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And there's a very big difference in the standpoint
of how you live your life. And I did not take
that understanding at the beginning of my professional
career, and I've now kind of
adjusted that, and I'm still very aspirational,
and I want to succeed, and I have big expectations for
what I can do on this world. But at the
end of the day, what's life if you're not

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enjoying the ride? So happiness.

>> Jonathan (58:20):
Hey, I love that. That
vibes with me really well. Yeah,
brother. Well, good stuff, Jake, man. We got to keep in
touch and, you know, we got to peg it up sometime. The
three of us +1. We'll find someone else.

>> Speaker C (58:33):
I might end up at Pike Wood, so if I do, I'll let you know.

>> Jonathan (58:36):
Yeah, dude, definitely. Yeah. Anytime you want to come out, let's.

>> Speaker C (58:39):
Get a good friend that really wants to get me out
there. So.

>> Jonathan (58:43):
Yeah, we'll do it, man. Well, thanks for coming on the
show.

>> Speaker C (58:47):
Thank you, guys.

>> RB (58:52):
Man. I loved hearing that episode with
Jake, um, again, give him a follow
on Instagram at Stout Land.
It's cool stuff. There's some cool stories that he has,
um. And again, Yawky Guinea
Country Club has been brought to the forefront because of my
man.

>> Jonathan (59:10):
Yeah. How's he know that?

>> RB (59:12):
So that's what I'm saying.

>> Jonathan (59:13):
You browse through some of that stuff he puts out, like,
some of the logos and some of the names of these clubs,
um, you just realize how
little you actually know about golf.

>> RB (59:25):
Exactly.

>> Jonathan (59:26):
Or places to play. You know,
like, we, uh, were just talking about that,
um, playing golf this past weekend. Like, yeah,
there's obviously golf courses
overseas that I want to go play, and so do you.
But there's also so many within our country
that, A, we probably don't know about a lot of them. We

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definitely don't. And B, the ones that we know of. Why don't we
try to play, like, Northern Michigan, for example, playing some of those
places.

>> RB (59:54):
Right.

>> Jonathan (59:54):
Um, you know, there's so much good golf.
Explore the Long island market
a little bit. Even Philly more where
our boy Jake is, you know, so.
And it just shows you. It's like, man, you know, just when you think
you like, oh, I played that course, and then you hear a name, it's
like, where the hell's that? And it's like, I never even heard of

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it.

>> RB (01:00:15):
Well, I just went, uh, to the Rangers last
game of the year with my son Parker, and
caught, uh, up with our boy Vinny Trocheck after the game.
And. And then also ran into J.T. miller,
and J.T. said, why don't you come over and head over to the
Hamptons and play a little golf?
So, naturally, I
might clear my schedule for that one. But, um.

>> Jonathan (01:00:38):
Yeah, but you're. I mean,
yeah, you do that. You play in a member guest down at that
old hick. I mean, just get it rolling.

>> RB (01:00:46):
I got that a couple new member guests this year, so that's nice.
And I'm. I'm good for you getting
some new blood in me at these number
guests. So I'm really excited about the Old Hickory member guest
with Cole Taylor, my partner.
So, um, I don't think we're gonna drink it
all this,
so.

>> Jonathan (01:01:07):
But I'm excited for this little, uh, little
trip we got here next week down in Georgia at, uh,
Peachtree and Sage Valley with
some of the boys here playing a little G, raising
some money for a good cause, and ultimately having some fun,
dude. So that's what's on my radar right now.

>> RB (01:01:23):
I'm really excited about that. Yeah.

>> Jonathan (01:01:25):
Yeah.

>> RB (01:01:26):
I'm so excited for you guys to get to.
Obviously, you've played Peachtree, but then Head over to
Sage Valley and. And, uh, see. See that,
set up and experience it for two, um, maybe three
days. Maybe another place. I don't know. Um,
I'll be ready. I'll just leave it out there. I packed a pair of pants.
Um, so far. Drive, but it's

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not far. Drive, but, um, yeah, Sage Valley. You're
gonna. And you're gonna love it. And like you said, raising some. Some money
for a great, great cause. Saturday
night.
Um, so I'm gonna stay chasing this week,
buddy, and I can't wait to see you in Georgia.
And, um, thank you all for listening to
Chase the Birdies. Make sure you go to chasing underscore Birdies. We
appreciate we're starting to get a little m. Momentum, bud, since this

(01:02:10):
new setup. It feels good. So thank you to you,
Ryan Bashower. Thank you to you. This whole setup,
this. I mean, if people saw this thing now, it's pretty funny.
I'm sweating under the light. Um,
but again, thank you, and, uh, stay
tuned, because we got some. Some cool guests on the hook that we
just got to get nailed down, but they've committed. We just got to get those

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dates.

>> Jonathan (01:02:30):
That's it. And thank you to you for that
pep, and I mean it. But like
he said, you guys out there tuning into today's episode
of Chasing Birdies, we appreciate it very much.
And thank you to Allie, Emily, and Ivo over at
Simpler Media for putting this thing together. Jaclyn
Depot, Rachel London, for all your help. You

(01:02:50):
guys tuning in this weekend on the PGA Tour with the Zur
Classic. What a phenomenal team event this is.
Hope, uh, you all have a blessed weekend,
and we will catch y'all in two.

>> Speaker C (01:03:07):
The j.

>> RB (01:03:08):
Uh.