July 12, 2023 • 35 mins
Meet guest, Deborah Charnes, author of "From the Boxing Ring to the Ashram".
She was riddled with chronic low back pain and digestive disorders since
childhood, Deborah Charnes spent 50 years exploring the world,
uncovering secrets to health and happiness.
For two decades, she managed hundreds of news conferences, editorial
board meetings, press briefings, and one-on-one interviews. She worked
with security, communications, and advance teams for John McCain,
Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama,
then-Vice President Joe Biden, Dr. Jill Biden, Bernie Sanders, megastar
Jennifer Lopez, and the Vice President of El Salvador.
In 2011, Deborah left the high-pressure demands as an international
corporate marketing communications strategist. Moving forward, she
dedicated that same energy to positive transformation—of herself and
others. She vowed to never stop learning—or sharing.
Already a certified yoga teacher, she added training in Ayurvedic
massage therapy, nutrition, and cooking. She received certification in
multiple holistic modalities and after an additional 800 hours of
specialized training became one of the first bilingual (English/Spanish)
certified yoga therapists in Texas.
Coaching people of all ages, and with many physical or emotional
challenges, she seeks to boost the body, mind, and spirit through simple
techniques that can be practiced anywhere and anytime. To that end, she
has created a dozen signature therapeutic workshops. Among them are Dem
Bones, Gutsy Yoga, Chill Out, Breath of Life, Chant and Be Happy, Tummy
Bust, and Sugar Drop. All are offered in English and Spanish.
Deborah has lived, worked, and studied in the U.S. and Latin America. A
travel blogger since the early WordPress days, she has published 500
mind/body and lifestyle articles. Her deep commitment to helping others
achieve maximum well-being led her to write “From the Boxing Ring to
the Ashram” https://a.co/d/9T9ADWG
When not writing or traveling, she enjoys hosting guests at her
mini-retreat center, The Namaste Getaway in Texas Hill Country. Connect
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
People are like, well , what's great about this book?
And I think that there arenuggets that you can get from
everything and words or podcastsor things that are coming to
you for a reason and you reallygot to sit with it and see is
this work for me?
So what I love about this isthat you put all of it together
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the physical, the mental, thespiritual, all of it and I want
you to tell people a little bitwhen you were growing up, the
struggles that you had digestiveissues, chronic lower back pain
.
You're one of three kids andnobody else in your family had
this, so you're trying to figureall this out.
So, on top of that, you're alsothis corporate guru who managed
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hundreds of news conferences,editorial board meetings, press
briefings and one-on-oneinterviews, worked with security
communications and advancedteams for John McCain, Hillary
Clinton, President, Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama,
then Vice President Joe Biden,and the list goes on Jennifer
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Lopez and the Vice President ofEl Salvador.
The other thing that I was soimpressed with because in 2011,
you stopped and you went all theway.
You were already teaching yoga.
I'm going to let you talk, butI got to make one more point
Already a certified yoga teacher.
She added training in Ayurvedicmassage therapy, nutrition and
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cooking.
She received certification inmultiple holistic modalities and
, after completing 800 hours ofspecialized training, became one
of the first bilingualEnglish-managed certified yoga
therapists in Texas.
You traveled around the world,you hold workshops.
You got it going on.
Finally, I was the mostimpressed.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was going to say finally, after I hit 50, I
finally got everything to go insync with what was best for me.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
In reality, when I was younger, I was always doing
what I was supposed to do, orwhat our society tells us you
are supposed to do, and then,finally, I just realized I have
to do something for me and Ihave to do what's right for me.
(02:22):
And that is actually one of thereasons why one of the
workshops that I lead, which Ilove so much, is called First,
love Yourself.
Yeah, because it is so commonin our society that, especially
women, we take care of the kids,we take care of other family
members, we take care of ourpartners, we have to take care
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of teams at work, we have totake care of household chores
and the financials andeverything, and we don't take
care of ourselves.
I used to.
Seriously, I used to work suchlong hours that I didn't even go
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to the bathroom during the dayand I didn't even go to the
bathroom.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I've heard of people doing that.
That is hardcore.
I can't even imagine what thatdoes to your body, right.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And, of course, if you already have underlying
conditions.
I have musculoskeletal issuesthat can cause back pain, which
is what I was diagnosed when Iwas very young, and I also was
diagnosed when I was very youngwith digestive disorders.
And if you're running aroundcrazy, doing everything that
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society tells you you must do tobe successful, you're not going
to be successful with yourinternal being and your health
and wellness and your happiness.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Because you don't have time.
The other thing that I rememberI never had time for is I never
had time for well visits forthe doctor, and get this talking
about even emergency treatments.
I had to get my gallbladderremoved and I scheduled it for
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the Wednesday evening beforeThanksgiving so that I would
recuperate over the Thanksgivingweekend and go back to work on
Monday.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, how many of us do that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right.
And we're consideredsuperheroes, but that's not
where we're going to go and theneventually something's going to
break down.
Is that what happened with youwhen you just were working so
hard?
Like what made you decide I'mnot going to do the rat race
anymore?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So interesting question, and I would say no,
but yes.
So there was nothing that wasall of a sudden.
However, one thing that didhappen to me that I totally
attribute to all of the burdensthat I took on I had a frozen
shoulder, and it was the rightside, and I have since had many
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students and clients, almost allfemale with frozen shoulders,
and if you read what Louise Haysays about what a frozen
shoulder is telling you, it'sthat you are taking on too many
burdens.
But I didn't read any of thatuntil.
Okay, define frozen shoulder,because I swear I have one now
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that you just said that it'scalled frozen shoulder is the
lay term for it.
The medical term is somethingencapsulitis, and the way that I
was described it's as if yourshoulder has shrink, wrapping.
Okay, couldn't even use a mousepad, really, and I did a year
and a half of physical therapyand again, I didn't read about
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Louise Hay's book and what itmeans on an energetic or on a me
interview until much later.
But I truly believe that thereason why I had it it is
considered idiopathic, whichmeans doctors don't know why you
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get it- yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Don't you love that when you go to the doctor and
they're like I don't know, so,especially when it's idiopathic.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I have more reason to believe in what Louise Hay says
about how the emotions get inthe way and the emotions wreak
havoc in our body.
And of course, that issomething that I learned very
young when I was diagnosed withmy digestive disorders.
I knew my doctor told me when Iwas maybe 12, 13 years old.
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He told me that it was stressrelated.
And I think back, I worked.
The other thing that I did inmy professional career is I was
a crisis relations specialist,oh boy, and I never felt stress.
I was always very zen and therecould be shootings going on,
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there could be bomb threats andI would be fine, yeah.
But inside my stomach would actout and, of course, through.
That's how I originally came tomeditation.
I started meditating when I wasvery young because I found that
that was the only thing thatwould cool down my pains.
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And again, I wasn't the kind ofperson that needed meditation.
At least, I never would havethought that Again.
You don't know how your bodyresponds Right and everybody,
everybody's body, respondsdifferently.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, and that wasn't that the truth.
So you started noticing thatthese things just you needed to
change.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Absolutely.
Not only meditation but thebreath work.
Oh, they made a huge difference.
I would say that I have beenand I also, so I do many
therapeutic workshops which Ilove, and one of them is First
Love Yourself.
Another one is called GutsyYoga and it's all about
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digestive disorders.
And again, everybody isdifferent and what one person
needs may be totally theopposite of what another person
needs.
And are you Vedic and yogatherapist point of view?
Because I am a certified yogatherapist and from the way that
we are trained is, we need toassess each individual very much
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, based on their Ayurvedicconstitution, and only then can
we give them recommendations.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Can you explain that Sure?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm going to explain it with yoga.
Okay, good, first of all, Ilove all kinds of yoga.
What I tell people a lot oftimes is what bothers me is if a
doctor tells a patient you needto try yoga, there is no caveat
that tells them oh, you shouldtry restorative yoga, or you
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should try Kundalini, or youshould try gentle yoga or Let me
just back you up on this realquick, because on the schedule
it says that my class is anintermediate vinyasa.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Most people don't know what that means.
Then they come to class and saymy doctor said I needed to do
more yoga.
Well, they're coming into thewrong class if they've never
taken that class before.
They need to start off with aslower or hatha or something
beginner Go ahead Happens allthe time.
Doctors are recommending that.
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Then they're going and then youcan get hurt in yoga.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, and talking about again not to put the blame
on doctors, but I'm going togive another example is through
the YMCA, I was a Livestrongcoach for cancer patients and
cancer survivors and it wasmandatory that every participant
had their doctor's green lightto participate in the physical
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activity.
And every single one I saw thedoctor's approvals, every one
said cleared for all physicalactivity.
There were people in wheelchairs, there were people with many
other issues aside from theircancer treatment, aside from, I
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mean, when you're going throughchemo there are a lot of things
you cannot be doing.
But aside from that, there weremany people that had other
physical issues that preventedthem from all physical activity
and I couldn't believe thatevery one of them the doctors,
okay, cleared for all physicalactivity.
But going back to from a yogaperspective, as I said, I love
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all kinds of yoga and I believedifferent types are appropriate
for different people anddifferent types of yoga can be
appropriate at different timesin your life or even at
different times in the day.
There are some forms of yogathat are not good for some
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people, and I'm not even talkingabout from a Western medicine
perspective, but one of the yogaclasses that I teach is Yin
Yoga, and I typically tell mystudents that I believe almost
everyone in our Western societyshould be practicing Yin once to
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twice a week, and the reasonwhy is because most of us and
I'm included.
I like to be physically active.
I like movement, I like to bepushing myself, but that's our
lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And we need the opposite.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We need to do nothing , we need to be still and not
move.
And because of that, yin Yoga,for some people, can be very
difficult.
And if it's very difficult forthem, traditionally they're the
ones that need it the most Right.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They say wherever you're feeling resistance,
there's a reason.
You might want to press intothat and see why.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And then hot yoga is all the rage.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And again.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I love hot yoga and I've taught hot yoga and I know
hot yoga is very good for me,but it is not good for a lot of
people.
I need to heat up my body, andheating up the body also heats
up your digestive fire, whichhelps with digestion.
But anyone, for example, withtrying to think of what it's
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called, they tell you to drinkmilk when you have that stomach
issue ulcers, oh Ulcers, forexample traditionally is viewed
from an Ayurvedic perspective ashaving too much digestive fire.
Oh OK.
And again, there are many otherways to determine if someone
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has too much fire in their body.
What's simplest is who sweats alot, and I used to jokingly say
but it was true that I didn'teven really sweat in my hot yoga
classes.
I know people like that.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I know people that will work out and they do not
sweat Right.
I never understood that.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And again, that is a sign that they need to heat up
more.
Oh, OK.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I've heard that if you sweat easily, that your body
is healthy.
Is that true or is it justabout because it seems like a
balance?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
From an Ayurvedic perspective, the people that
sweat a lot are traditionallyPitha, p-i-t-t-a, and that means
fire.
Okay, pita is responsible forthe digestive fire, and people
like me are lacking in thedigestive fire and that is what
causes my digestive disorders.
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However, if you have a healthypita, that's very good, but then
some people can have too muchpita, and then that's when
things like ulcers will flare upor other things, and so
traditionally let's just saytraditionally someone who is
fire should do Yin yoga asopposed to hot yoga in the
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summer months.
So maybe in the winter it'sfine for them to do periodic hot
yoga, but definitely not in thesummer months.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, because I have a family member who just
drenched sweats all the timelike all the time, but I didn't
know if there were hot sceneslike everything's connected.
So maybe it's from anxiety orit is.
It's my oldest son and so I'malways wondering is that from
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anxiety or will that lead to adigestive?
But just knowing that he hasthat he can be aware now of what
you're saying, just being awareof the signs from your body,
right?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And if you think about it in terms of ulcers
because I said thattraditionally, ulcers, from an
Ayurvedic perspective, are fromtoo much fire and if you're
thinking about it, in oursociety we've been told to drink
milk if you have an ulcer.
And if you think about it, milkis cooling and soothing and so
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that balances.
Now, from an Ayurvedicperspective, what I would tell
people is to drink pepperminttea.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Do you use the essential oils in your practice?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I do, and I was going to say in terms of one of the
other elements of yoga and I wastrying to an Ayurvedic massage.
But you can do self massage,which is called abhyanga, and
people that have too much firewhen they use the oil, they
should use coconut oil becausecoconut oil is cooling.
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Now I use sesame oil, which isheating, and I went to an Indian
store once to buy the oil and Iwas told oh, you should buy the
mustard oil.
And I asked my Ayurvedic doctorabout mustard oil and he said
mustard oil is definitely goodif you don't have the fire, if
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you live in a cold climate, butnot for Texas.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh, so it's super hot .
Then it won't warm you up alittle too much?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And he said oh, there were probably Northern Indians
where it's very cold so they'reused to using mustard oil to
heat up, but he said not forTexas.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Wow, there's so much, so much from our earth that we
don't know that we can use.
It's amazing.
It's better than what we couldget from the doctor.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Isn't it?
Well, I believe that, yeah, andthat is why I consider my
Ayurvedic doctor my primarydoctor.
I still go for my annual visitsto the traditional doctors, I
still get my lab work done, Iget imaging done as needed, but
if I have a problem, then I willgo to my Ayurvedic doctor and
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let him know about the results.
And my Ayurvedic doctor is notthe person who is featured in my
book.
However, my book incorporatesone chapter which is based on
Ayurveda and it's based on myteacher in India who teaches
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Ayurveda to Ayurvedic studentsboth in India, in Japan and in
Canada, and he also runs anAyurvedic clinic and the clinic
treats, aside from guests thatpay money to be there.
Ayurvedic clinic also treats Idon't know how many thousands,
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maybe two or three thousandpeople every year on a free
basis.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Oh, wow.
So in your book back to yourbook you've got 12 chapters.
There's like four differentparts and you've taken things
from 12 different gurus thatyou've studied with, you've
traveled and you've found thosenuggets that really helped you.
And so, even though it's takenus so long, we get to a point
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where we're like we've learnedall this, we want to pass on our
knowledge so it doesn't takeyou 50 years of work to try to
find it to help.
So I hope others can really seethat these are tools that maybe
one of them or all of themresonate with you and you can
get the book and get those ideas.
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But what's really neat as wellthat we talked about last time
was you mentioned at the verybeginning about some of the
workshops that you have and theyoga.
And you've named these yogaslike the gutsy yoga I wasn't
going to interrupt you earlier,but that is so specific and so
needed at the same time how youcan bring people together and do
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that.
And then the other one was dimbones, D-E-M right.
And then the chant and be happy.
And so you have these workshopsthat are in the whole country
that people can go contact you.
They can do individual, theycan do group right or virtual,
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oh perfect.
I didn't realize that thatmakes it even more accessible
and so probably people can justfind you and do you do like an
assessment, like an onlineassessment, before you get
started, and then isn't it likea 12 week, or you tell me
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specifically.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's a great question.
As a yoga therapist, if I takeon a new client One-on-one, I do
a 90 to 120 minute intake.
There are many things I go overin that intake.
Then traditionally it takes mepossibly a week to 10 days to
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develop my recommended protocolfor them, which ideally I work
with them on a weekly or everyother week basis for six to 12
weeks.
I give them bits and pieces ofthe protocol so that they don't
feel overwhelmed with doingeverything all at once.
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That is traditionally how Iwork with my one-on-one yoga
therapy clients, my workshops.
More recently I have been doingindividual workshops.
What I mean by individual isjust a one-time only.
Let's just say for gutsy yoga.
I originally started the gutsyyoga series of workshops
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teaching at the YMCA in SanAntonio.
We offered it as a specialprogram where people had to
commit to six weeks.
Because it was a small groupthat committed to six weeks, I
did a modification of the intake.
Maybe it was a 30 or 45 minuteintake on everyone before they
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started.
As an example, if I'm doinggutsy yoga, I would like to know
in advance who has IBS, who hasulcers, who has Crohn's, who
has celiac, because everythingis going to be different.
That's why I did the intakebefore the series began.
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More recently, I have just beenoffering and I've done this in
Mexico as well just one-timeonly workshops.
I will take the gutsy yoga one.
Even though I may have 12 hoursworth of programming that I can
offer, I just do 60, 90, or 120minutes at a time.
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It's a condensed, focusedversion.
Of course, it doesn't give youeverything, but it gives you a
good taste and a good idea.
It's not an easy answer,because I do all of that With
the one-time only workshops.
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I do not do the intake.
However, I do give themchecklists when they first get
there so that we can determinewhat some of their issues are.
Then I can very quickly changedirection based on who is
present.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That's awesome.
If someone does come to you andthey say this is what my
problem is, then you talk tothem.
You have a plan specificallyfor them.
What I love about what you saidthe last time we met was you're
not trying to overwhelm anyone.
It's not like here's all thethings that you have to do, boom
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, boom, boom, and here's allyour homework and I'm going to
keep you accountable in this.
You are keeping themaccountable, but it's more of an
ease in and maybe try somethingdifferent instead of just
something radical.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Exactly that's because if I give them too much
or if I give them what theydon't like, it's not going to
help.
I also, when I worked in themarketing communications world,
I represented a lot ofhealthcare clients.
I learned, even from thetraditional Western medicine
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standpoint, non-compliance Ibelieve that's the term that
they use when somebody doesn'ttake the meds what they don't do
what they are supposed to do.
It is very common.
It's also very frustrating forthe medical practitioners if
their patients are not doingwhat they need to do.
As a yoga therapist, Irecognize that I can't make
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somebody do what they don't wantto do and that's why I try to
find what they're going to wantto do and tailor it to them.
And in my book, what I tried todo also because I didn't want
to overwhelm people is everychapter has five easy tips and
all of the tips are free, withthe exception of seeing your
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medical provider or mentalhealth provider, and all of them
are meant to be enjoyable andaccessible.
And I'll just read five easytips from the chapter on Go with
your Gut.
And this is from my Ayurvedicteacher in India, and I'm not
going to read the wholeparagraph, I'm just going to
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read the main.
Ok, the highlights, the mainnuggets.
All right.
Number one don't eat at night.
And I will say I try not to eatafter five o'clock at night,
which for some people is veryearly.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's so hard and I'm a night eater girl.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And in some countries it's common for people to eat
dinner at nine or 10 o'clock atnight.
I prefer to not eat then to eatlate at night, and that's
because I know that my digestivefire is sleeping already, so
it's not good.
So that's number one.
Number two drink warm water.
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Well, here's something that Ibet you don't know about me.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
When.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I was in high school, I studied Italian language.
I studied it in college and Istudied it more recently and I
actually spent three monthsworking in Italy last year.
And but one of the things thatI learned in my high school
Italian class is Italians don'tuse ice.
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And I spent a lot of time inLatin America from the time I
was very young and it was alwayscommon even if you order a Coca
Cola, like if you get a bottleof Coca Cola, it's common.
I don't know about now, but itused to be that they would say
well, in Spanish it's al tiempo,which means to the climate,
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meaning whatever the roomtemperature is, or do you want
it chilled?
Chilled whereas Americanseverything is as cold as can be.
And I could never understand.
If you go in somewhere in theUnited States, especially a fast
food restaurant, they give youa huge thing of ice and almost
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no liquid.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, because it's a money making thing Side day.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But anyway, you should not.
I'm not going to tell you why,but there's a lot of reasons why
you should not drink coldliquids.
Drink warm liquids.
Ok, number three, and thisseems like a no brainer Eat
homemade wholesome dishes asmuch as possible.
And I say it seems like a nobrainer, but again, in our
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society it's so much easier todrive through a drive through to
pick up something frozen, putit in the microwave or to go to
our favorite restaurant.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's just talking about lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And again when, when I lived in Latin America, it
used to be common that in LatinAmerica people had the siesta.
The siesta was not necessarilya time to take a nap.
It was a long break from work,where you went home, had a home
cooked meal with your family andrelaxed and then went back to
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work.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You imagine it's so foreign to us Americans?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It is Number four, and this is going to go against
what a lot of people do or read,because In the holistic field
there's a lot of contrarybeliefs about this.
Restrict or skip fermentedfoods such as vinegar, tamari
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and alcohol.
In number five Wait, say thatagain.
Restrict or skip fermentedfoods such as pickles, vinegar,
tamari and alcohol.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay, I just got to stay there for one second
Because all this reading andI've heard that you want
fermented foods because of theenzymes that are in them and the
countries that eat like thekimchi and all that that they're
healthier people, but you saidto restrict or skip it.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Right and again, that's why I'm saying that
there's contrary beliefs.
But from an Ayurvedicperspective, those are all
considered tamasic and they areconsidered.
I don't want to call thempoisonous, but they're lethargy
producing and they're toxinproducing and they are not good
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for you.
And they also are.
It affects your digestion in anegative way, and so that's why
I-.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I did not know that girl Because we didn't say it
here, but you and I've talkedbefore and how ironically I've
had the same thing growing upwith the stomach issues.
We were in the hospital.
I was in the hospital.
They didn't know it was wrongwith me either, all the things,
and so it's been my journey tooto figure out.
And I opened up to you aboutthe Crohn's and I was, and I
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don't eat meat, and it was thelast thing in the world I wanted
to give up, but it was the lastthing.
I tried to give up, and I can'teat meat.
I love meat.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And I'm going to tell you and I was going to say,
meat is also tamasic.
Okay, I mentioned thatfermented foods like vinegar
tamasic, and meat is tamasic.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Because I've learned all that about the meat, but I
thought that I knew that thefermented was actually good for
my stomach.
So now I'm confused.
I'm going to have to go.
You and I are going to have tosit down with a whiteboard later
.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Figure this out Again .
There's so many different waysto look at things and that's why
I'm saying from an are youVedic perspective right.
Are you Vedic perspective?
You are supposed to follow asatvic diet which is pure,
stable, balanced and I know alot of people that follow satvic
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diets and when you eat a salad,you don't use oil and vinegar.
You can use oil with lemonjuice, but not the vinegar.
And then, of course, drinkingany alcoholic beverage is also
considered tamasic.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah Well, I don't drink alcohol anymore.
I mean every once in a while, Iwill you know, for a special
occasion.
But yeah, I've learned thatdoesn't help.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
The fifth tip, and this may be the hardest minimize
external stressors.
Okay, and again, that just goesback to also what I learned
when I was very young was thatmy digestive issues were caused
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by stress.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, and we can help .
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Right Diet, of course , is very important, but stress
affects it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, definitely.
And that's where yoga comes in.
Meditation comes in because wecan't stop all the crazy.
You know you got to keep going,but you have to take the time.
I tell all my classes, rightwhen we get started, I say you
got here.
That was the hardest part.
Now that you're here, and itdoesn't matter.
We're not in competition witheach other.
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We're here to support eachother, encourage each other to
be the best that we can be, andthank you because that's what
you're doing.
You're encouraging everyonejust to be the best that they
can be.
And if someone wants to findyou, I'll have all of your links
in our show notes anddefinitely check out our book.
I'm going to put the link intothe Amazon as well.
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It's such a great book.
You'll definitely find nuggetsout of it, and we have one
minute left on this Zoom.
So did you want to end or sayanything?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I hope that the people that read my book become
enthused and encouraged to makesmall changes which can make a
big positive difference.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
They really can.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And as I was taught in Italian piano, a piano si va
lontano, little by little, andyou go far.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I love that and I know ciao bella.
I love it.
Thank you so much for meetingwith me again.
This has been great.
I want to have you back.
I want to do meditations, yoga,whatever we can squeeze in into
our little world, right, getthe word out.
So thank you again anddefinitely be in touch and I'll
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talk to you soon.
People are like, well , what's great about this book?
And I think that there arenuggets that you can get from
everything and words or podcastsor things that are coming to
you for a reason and you reallygot to sit with it and see is
this work for me?
So what I love about this isthat you put all of it together
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the physical, the mental, thespiritual, all of it and I want
you to tell people a little bitwhen you were growing up, the
struggles that you had digestiveissues, chronic lower back pain
.
You're one of three kids andnobody else in your family had
this, so you're trying to figureall this out.
So, on top of that, you're alsothis corporate guru who managed
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hundreds of news conferences,editorial board meetings, press
briefings and one-on-oneinterviews, worked with security
communications and advancedteams for John McCain, Hillary
Clinton, President, Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama,
then Vice President Joe Biden,and the list goes on Jennifer
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Lopez and the Vice President ofEl Salvador.
The other thing that I was soimpressed with because in 2011,
you stopped and you went all theway.
You were already teaching yoga.
I'm going to let you talk, butI got to make one more point
Already a certified yoga teacher.
She added training in Ayurvedicmassage therapy, nutrition and
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cooking.
She received certification inmultiple holistic modalities and
, after completing 800 hours ofspecialized training, became one
of the first bilingualEnglish-managed certified yoga
therapists in Texas.
You traveled around the world,you hold workshops.
You got it going on.
Finally, I was the mostimpressed.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I was going to say finally, after I hit 50, I
finally got everything to go insync with what was best for me.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
In reality, when I was younger, I was always doing
what I was supposed to do, orwhat our society tells us you
are supposed to do, and then,finally, I just realized I have
to do something for me and Ihave to do what's right for me.
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And that is actually one of thereasons why one of the
workshops that I lead, which Ilove so much, is called First,
love Yourself.
Yeah, because it is so commonin our society that, especially
women, we take care of the kids,we take care of other family
members, we take care of ourpartners, we have to take care
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of teams at work, we have totake care of household chores
and the financials andeverything, and we don't take
care of ourselves.
I used to.
Seriously, I used to work suchlong hours that I didn't even go
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to the bathroom during the dayand I didn't even go to the
bathroom.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I've heard of people doing that.
That is hardcore.
I can't even imagine what thatdoes to your body, right.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
And, of course, if you already have underlying
conditions.
I have musculoskeletal issuesthat can cause back pain, which
is what I was diagnosed when Iwas very young, and I also was
diagnosed when I was very youngwith digestive disorders.
And if you're running aroundcrazy, doing everything that
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society tells you you must do tobe successful, you're not going
to be successful with yourinternal being and your health
and wellness and your happiness.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Because you don't have time.
The other thing that I rememberI never had time for is I never
had time for well visits forthe doctor, and get this talking
about even emergency treatments.
I had to get my gallbladderremoved and I scheduled it for
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the Wednesday evening beforeThanksgiving so that I would
recuperate over the Thanksgivingweekend and go back to work on
Monday.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, how many of us do that?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right.
And we're consideredsuperheroes, but that's not
where we're going to go and theneventually something's going to
break down.
Is that what happened with youwhen you just were working so
hard?
Like what made you decide I'mnot going to do the rat race
anymore?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
So interesting question, and I would say no,
but yes.
So there was nothing that wasall of a sudden.
However, one thing that didhappen to me that I totally
attribute to all of the burdensthat I took on I had a frozen
shoulder, and it was the rightside, and I have since had many
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students and clients, almost allfemale with frozen shoulders,
and if you read what Louise Haysays about what a frozen
shoulder is telling you, it'sthat you are taking on too many
burdens.
But I didn't read any of thatuntil.
Okay, define frozen shoulder,because I swear I have one now
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that you just said that it'scalled frozen shoulder is the
lay term for it.
The medical term is somethingencapsulitis, and the way that I
was described it's as if yourshoulder has shrink, wrapping.
Okay, couldn't even use a mousepad, really, and I did a year
and a half of physical therapyand again, I didn't read about
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Louise Hay's book and what itmeans on an energetic or on a me
interview until much later.
But I truly believe that thereason why I had it it is
considered idiopathic, whichmeans doctors don't know why you
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get it- yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Don't you love that when you go to the doctor and
they're like I don't know, so,especially when it's idiopathic.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I have more reason to believe in what Louise Hay says
about how the emotions get inthe way and the emotions wreak
havoc in our body.
And of course, that issomething that I learned very
young when I was diagnosed withmy digestive disorders.
I knew my doctor told me when Iwas maybe 12, 13 years old.
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He told me that it was stressrelated.
And I think back, I worked.
The other thing that I did inmy professional career is I was
a crisis relations specialist,oh boy, and I never felt stress.
I was always very zen and therecould be shootings going on,
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there could be bomb threats andI would be fine, yeah.
But inside my stomach would actout and, of course, through.
That's how I originally came tomeditation.
I started meditating when I wasvery young because I found that
that was the only thing thatwould cool down my pains.
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And again, I wasn't the kind ofperson that needed meditation.
At least, I never would havethought that Again.
You don't know how your bodyresponds Right and everybody,
everybody's body, respondsdifferently.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, and that wasn't that the truth.
So you started noticing thatthese things just you needed to
change.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Absolutely.
Not only meditation but thebreath work.
Oh, they made a huge difference.
I would say that I have beenand I also, so I do many
therapeutic workshops which Ilove, and one of them is First
Love Yourself.
Another one is called GutsyYoga and it's all about
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digestive disorders.
And again, everybody isdifferent and what one person
needs may be totally theopposite of what another person
needs.
And are you Vedic and yogatherapist point of view?
Because I am a certified yogatherapist and from the way that
we are trained is, we need toassess each individual very much
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, based on their Ayurvedicconstitution, and only then can
we give them recommendations.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Can you explain that Sure?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm going to explain it with yoga.
Okay, good, first of all, Ilove all kinds of yoga.
What I tell people a lot oftimes is what bothers me is if a
doctor tells a patient you needto try yoga, there is no caveat
that tells them oh, you shouldtry restorative yoga, or you
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should try Kundalini, or youshould try gentle yoga or Let me
just back you up on this realquick, because on the schedule
it says that my class is anintermediate vinyasa.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Most people don't know what that means.
Then they come to class and saymy doctor said I needed to do
more yoga.
Well, they're coming into thewrong class if they've never
taken that class before.
They need to start off with aslower or hatha or something
beginner Go ahead Happens allthe time.
Doctors are recommending that.
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Then they're going and then youcan get hurt in yoga.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, and talking about again not to put the blame
on doctors, but I'm going togive another example is through
the YMCA, I was a Livestrongcoach for cancer patients and
cancer survivors and it wasmandatory that every participant
had their doctor's green lightto participate in the physical
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activity.
And every single one I saw thedoctor's approvals, every one
said cleared for all physicalactivity.
There were people in wheelchairs, there were people with many
other issues aside from theircancer treatment, aside from, I
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mean, when you're going throughchemo there are a lot of things
you cannot be doing.
But aside from that, there weremany people that had other
physical issues that preventedthem from all physical activity
and I couldn't believe thatevery one of them the doctors,
okay, cleared for all physicalactivity.
But going back to from a yogaperspective, as I said, I love
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all kinds of yoga and I believedifferent types are appropriate
for different people anddifferent types of yoga can be
appropriate at different timesin your life or even at
different times in the day.
There are some forms of yogathat are not good for some
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people, and I'm not even talkingabout from a Western medicine
perspective, but one of the yogaclasses that I teach is Yin
Yoga, and I typically tell mystudents that I believe almost
everyone in our Western societyshould be practicing Yin once to
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twice a week, and the reasonwhy is because most of us and
I'm included.
I like to be physically active.
I like movement, I like to bepushing myself, but that's our
lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And we need the opposite.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We need to do nothing , we need to be still and not
move.
And because of that, yin Yoga,for some people, can be very
difficult.
And if it's very difficult forthem, traditionally they're the
ones that need it the most Right.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
They say wherever you're feeling resistance,
there's a reason.
You might want to press intothat and see why.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And then hot yoga is all the rage.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And again.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I love hot yoga and I've taught hot yoga and I know
hot yoga is very good for me,but it is not good for a lot of
people.
I need to heat up my body, andheating up the body also heats
up your digestive fire, whichhelps with digestion.
But anyone, for example, withtrying to think of what it's
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called, they tell you to drinkmilk when you have that stomach
issue ulcers, oh Ulcers, forexample traditionally is viewed
from an Ayurvedic perspective ashaving too much digestive fire.
Oh OK.
And again, there are many otherways to determine if someone
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has too much fire in their body.
What's simplest is who sweats alot, and I used to jokingly say
but it was true that I didn'teven really sweat in my hot yoga
classes.
I know people like that.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I know people that will work out and they do not
sweat Right.
I never understood that.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
And again, that is a sign that they need to heat up
more.
Oh, OK.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I've heard that if you sweat easily, that your body
is healthy.
Is that true or is it justabout because it seems like a
balance?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
From an Ayurvedic perspective, the people that
sweat a lot are traditionallyPitha, p-i-t-t-a, and that means
fire.
Okay, pita is responsible forthe digestive fire, and people
like me are lacking in thedigestive fire and that is what
causes my digestive disorders.
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However, if you have a healthypita, that's very good, but then
some people can have too muchpita, and then that's when
things like ulcers will flare upor other things, and so
traditionally let's just saytraditionally someone who is
fire should do Yin yoga asopposed to hot yoga in the
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summer months.
So maybe in the winter it'sfine for them to do periodic hot
yoga, but definitely not in thesummer months.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Okay, because I have a family member who just
drenched sweats all the timelike all the time, but I didn't
know if there were hot sceneslike everything's connected.
So maybe it's from anxiety orit is.
It's my oldest son and so I'malways wondering is that from
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anxiety or will that lead to adigestive?
But just knowing that he hasthat he can be aware now of what
you're saying, just being awareof the signs from your body,
right?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And if you think about it in terms of ulcers
because I said thattraditionally, ulcers, from an
Ayurvedic perspective, are fromtoo much fire and if you're
thinking about it, in oursociety we've been told to drink
milk if you have an ulcer.
And if you think about it, milkis cooling and soothing and so
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that balances.
Now, from an Ayurvedicperspective, what I would tell
people is to drink pepperminttea.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Do you use the essential oils in your practice?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I do, and I was going to say in terms of one of the
other elements of yoga and I wastrying to an Ayurvedic massage.
But you can do self massage,which is called abhyanga, and
people that have too much firewhen they use the oil, they
should use coconut oil becausecoconut oil is cooling.
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Now I use sesame oil, which isheating, and I went to an Indian
store once to buy the oil and Iwas told oh, you should buy the
mustard oil.
And I asked my Ayurvedic doctorabout mustard oil and he said
mustard oil is definitely goodif you don't have the fire, if
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you live in a cold climate, butnot for Texas.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Oh, so it's super hot .
Then it won't warm you up alittle too much?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And he said oh, there were probably Northern Indians
where it's very cold so they'reused to using mustard oil to
heat up, but he said not forTexas.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Wow, there's so much, so much from our earth that we
don't know that we can use.
It's amazing.
It's better than what we couldget from the doctor.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Isn't it?
Well, I believe that, yeah, andthat is why I consider my
Ayurvedic doctor my primarydoctor.
I still go for my annual visitsto the traditional doctors, I
still get my lab work done, Iget imaging done as needed, but
if I have a problem, then I willgo to my Ayurvedic doctor and
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let him know about the results.
And my Ayurvedic doctor is notthe person who is featured in my
book.
However, my book incorporatesone chapter which is based on
Ayurveda and it's based on myteacher in India who teaches
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Ayurveda to Ayurvedic studentsboth in India, in Japan and in
Canada, and he also runs anAyurvedic clinic and the clinic
treats, aside from guests thatpay money to be there.
Ayurvedic clinic also treats Idon't know how many thousands,
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maybe two or three thousandpeople every year on a free
basis.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Oh, wow.
So in your book back to yourbook you've got 12 chapters.
There's like four differentparts and you've taken things
from 12 different gurus thatyou've studied with, you've
traveled and you've found thosenuggets that really helped you.
And so, even though it's takenus so long, we get to a point
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where we're like we've learnedall this, we want to pass on our
knowledge so it doesn't takeyou 50 years of work to try to
find it to help.
So I hope others can really seethat these are tools that maybe
one of them or all of themresonate with you and you can
get the book and get those ideas.
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But what's really neat as wellthat we talked about last time
was you mentioned at the verybeginning about some of the
workshops that you have and theyoga.
And you've named these yogaslike the gutsy yoga I wasn't
going to interrupt you earlier,but that is so specific and so
needed at the same time how youcan bring people together and do
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that.
And then the other one was dimbones, D-E-M right.
And then the chant and be happy.
And so you have these workshopsthat are in the whole country
that people can go contact you.
They can do individual, theycan do group right or virtual,
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oh perfect.
I didn't realize that thatmakes it even more accessible
and so probably people can justfind you and do you do like an
assessment, like an onlineassessment, before you get
started, and then isn't it likea 12 week, or you tell me
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specifically.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
That's a great question.
As a yoga therapist, if I takeon a new client One-on-one, I do
a 90 to 120 minute intake.
There are many things I go overin that intake.
Then traditionally it takes mepossibly a week to 10 days to
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develop my recommended protocolfor them, which ideally I work
with them on a weekly or everyother week basis for six to 12
weeks.
I give them bits and pieces ofthe protocol so that they don't
feel overwhelmed with doingeverything all at once.
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That is traditionally how Iwork with my one-on-one yoga
therapy clients, my workshops.
More recently I have been doingindividual workshops.
What I mean by individual isjust a one-time only.
Let's just say for gutsy yoga.
I originally started the gutsyyoga series of workshops
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teaching at the YMCA in SanAntonio.
We offered it as a specialprogram where people had to
commit to six weeks.
Because it was a small groupthat committed to six weeks, I
did a modification of the intake.
Maybe it was a 30 or 45 minuteintake on everyone before they
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started.
As an example, if I'm doinggutsy yoga, I would like to know
in advance who has IBS, who hasulcers, who has Crohn's, who
has celiac, because everythingis going to be different.
That's why I did the intakebefore the series began.
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More recently, I have just beenoffering and I've done this in
Mexico as well just one-timeonly workshops.
I will take the gutsy yoga one.
Even though I may have 12 hoursworth of programming that I can
offer, I just do 60, 90, or 120minutes at a time.
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It's a condensed, focusedversion.
Of course, it doesn't give youeverything, but it gives you a
good taste and a good idea.
It's not an easy answer,because I do all of that With
the one-time only workshops.
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I do not do the intake.
However, I do give themchecklists when they first get
there so that we can determinewhat some of their issues are.
Then I can very quickly changedirection based on who is
present.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
That's awesome.
If someone does come to you andthey say this is what my
problem is, then you talk tothem.
You have a plan specificallyfor them.
What I love about what you saidthe last time we met was you're
not trying to overwhelm anyone.
It's not like here's all thethings that you have to do, boom
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, boom, boom, and here's allyour homework and I'm going to
keep you accountable in this.
You are keeping themaccountable, but it's more of an
ease in and maybe try somethingdifferent instead of just
something radical.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Exactly that's because if I give them too much
or if I give them what theydon't like, it's not going to
help.
I also, when I worked in themarketing communications world,
I represented a lot ofhealthcare clients.
I learned, even from thetraditional Western medicine
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standpoint, non-compliance Ibelieve that's the term that
they use when somebody doesn'ttake the meds what they don't do
what they are supposed to do.
It is very common.
It's also very frustrating forthe medical practitioners if
their patients are not doingwhat they need to do.
As a yoga therapist, Irecognize that I can't make
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somebody do what they don't wantto do and that's why I try to
find what they're going to wantto do and tailor it to them.
And in my book, what I tried todo also because I didn't want
to overwhelm people is everychapter has five easy tips and
all of the tips are free, withthe exception of seeing your
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medical provider or mentalhealth provider, and all of them
are meant to be enjoyable andaccessible.
And I'll just read five easytips from the chapter on Go with
your Gut.
And this is from my Ayurvedicteacher in India, and I'm not
going to read the wholeparagraph, I'm just going to
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read the main.
Ok, the highlights, the mainnuggets.
All right.
Number one don't eat at night.
And I will say I try not to eatafter five o'clock at night,
which for some people is veryearly.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's so hard and I'm a night eater girl.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And in some countries it's common for people to eat
dinner at nine or 10 o'clock atnight.
I prefer to not eat then to eatlate at night, and that's
because I know that my digestivefire is sleeping already, so
it's not good.
So that's number one.
Number two drink warm water.
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Well, here's something that Ibet you don't know about me.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
When.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
I was in high school, I studied Italian language.
I studied it in college and Istudied it more recently and I
actually spent three monthsworking in Italy last year.
And but one of the things thatI learned in my high school
Italian class is Italians don'tuse ice.
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And I spent a lot of time inLatin America from the time I
was very young and it was alwayscommon even if you order a Coca
Cola, like if you get a bottleof Coca Cola, it's common.
I don't know about now, but itused to be that they would say
well, in Spanish it's al tiempo,which means to the climate,
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meaning whatever the roomtemperature is, or do you want
it chilled?
Chilled whereas Americanseverything is as cold as can be.
And I could never understand.
If you go in somewhere in theUnited States, especially a fast
food restaurant, they give youa huge thing of ice and almost
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no liquid.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, because it's a money making thing Side day.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
But anyway, you should not.
I'm not going to tell you why,but there's a lot of reasons why
you should not drink coldliquids.
Drink warm liquids.
Ok, number three, and thisseems like a no brainer Eat
homemade wholesome dishes asmuch as possible.
And I say it seems like a nobrainer, but again, in our
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society it's so much easier todrive through a drive through to
pick up something frozen, putit in the microwave or to go to
our favorite restaurant.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's just talking about lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
And again when, when I lived in Latin America, it
used to be common that in LatinAmerica people had the siesta.
The siesta was not necessarilya time to take a nap.
It was a long break from work,where you went home, had a home
cooked meal with your family andrelaxed and then went back to
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work.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
You imagine it's so foreign to us Americans?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It is Number four, and this is going to go against
what a lot of people do or read,because In the holistic field
there's a lot of contrarybeliefs about this.
Restrict or skip fermentedfoods such as vinegar, tamari
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and alcohol.
In number five Wait, say thatagain.
Restrict or skip fermentedfoods such as pickles, vinegar,
tamari and alcohol.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay, I just got to stay there for one second
Because all this reading andI've heard that you want
fermented foods because of theenzymes that are in them and the
countries that eat like thekimchi and all that that they're
healthier people, but you saidto restrict or skip it.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Right and again, that's why I'm saying that
there's contrary beliefs.
But from an Ayurvedicperspective, those are all
considered tamasic and they areconsidered.
I don't want to call thempoisonous, but they're lethargy
producing and they're toxinproducing and they are not good
(30:13):
for you.
And they also are.
It affects your digestion in anegative way, and so that's why
I-.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I did not know that girl Because we didn't say it
here, but you and I've talkedbefore and how ironically I've
had the same thing growing upwith the stomach issues.
We were in the hospital.
I was in the hospital.
They didn't know it was wrongwith me either, all the things,
and so it's been my journey tooto figure out.
And I opened up to you aboutthe Crohn's and I was, and I
(30:44):
don't eat meat, and it was thelast thing in the world I wanted
to give up, but it was the lastthing.
I tried to give up, and I can'teat meat.
I love meat.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
And I'm going to tell you and I was going to say,
meat is also tamasic.
Okay, I mentioned thatfermented foods like vinegar
tamasic, and meat is tamasic.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Because I've learned all that about the meat, but I
thought that I knew that thefermented was actually good for
my stomach.
So now I'm confused.
I'm going to have to go.
You and I are going to have tosit down with a whiteboard later
.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Figure this out Again .
There's so many different waysto look at things and that's why
I'm saying from an are youVedic perspective right.
Are you Vedic perspective?
You are supposed to follow asatvic diet which is pure,
stable, balanced and I know alot of people that follow satvic
(31:40):
diets and when you eat a salad,you don't use oil and vinegar.
You can use oil with lemonjuice, but not the vinegar.
And then, of course, drinkingany alcoholic beverage is also
considered tamasic.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah Well, I don't drink alcohol anymore.
I mean every once in a while, Iwill you know, for a special
occasion.
But yeah, I've learned thatdoesn't help.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
The fifth tip, and this may be the hardest minimize
external stressors.
Okay, and again, that just goesback to also what I learned
when I was very young was thatmy digestive issues were caused
(32:30):
by stress.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, and we can help .
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Right Diet, of course , is very important, but stress
affects it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Yeah, definitely.
And that's where yoga comes in.
Meditation comes in because wecan't stop all the crazy.
You know you got to keep going,but you have to take the time.
I tell all my classes, rightwhen we get started, I say you
got here.
That was the hardest part.
Now that you're here, and itdoesn't matter.
We're not in competition witheach other.
(33:00):
We're here to support eachother, encourage each other to
be the best that we can be, andthank you because that's what
you're doing.
You're encouraging everyonejust to be the best that they
can be.
And if someone wants to findyou, I'll have all of your links
in our show notes anddefinitely check out our book.
I'm going to put the link intothe Amazon as well.
(33:22):
It's such a great book.
You'll definitely find nuggetsout of it, and we have one
minute left on this Zoom.
So did you want to end or sayanything?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I hope that the people that read my book become
enthused and encouraged to makesmall changes which can make a
big positive difference.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
They really can.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And as I was taught in Italian piano, a piano si va
lontano, little by little, andyou go far.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I love that and I know ciao bella.
I love it.
Thank you so much for meetingwith me again.
This has been great.
I want to have you back.
I want to do meditations, yoga,whatever we can squeeze in into
our little world, right, getthe word out.
So thank you again anddefinitely be in touch and I'll
(34:22):
talk to you soon.
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