February 10, 2025 • 50 mins
It's not a phase! Edgar Allan Poe is a gothic icon, and we're sure you've heard of his work. If not, maybe crack open a book sometime! Or just listen to this episode, which requires no reading whatsoever, and hear the soothing voice of Aaron guiding John and Sean through the life and death of Edgar Allan Poe. It's basically ASMR, really.
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(00:00):
And the raven, never flitting.
Still is sitting,
still is sitting on the pallid
bust of Pallasjust above my chamber door.
And his eyeshave all the seeming of a demons
that is dreaming.
And the lamplight o'er himstreaming.
Throws his shadow on the floor.
And my soul from at that shadowthat lies floating on the floor
shall be lifted nevermore.
(00:23):
These are the words of the
final stanza of one of the mostfamous poems of all time.
Known for his melancholicand brooding poems, overflowing
with charismaand eccentricity,
this author's careerspanned from 1827 to 1849,
until it was mysteriously cutshort. This week on Cheeky Tales
we cover the life of a poet,a lover, a weirdo,
(00:45):
even a football team's muse,with a podcast biography
of Edgar Allan Poe.
We're back.
We're back.
(01:05):
It's been a long time.
Since we recall. Since we'vebeen in this room together.
Yeah. When did we. We recorded
this New Year's Day.Like a year's day?
No, not beforeNew Year's Day or so.
So, yeah,
I was it,
maybe weird for these days?
Yeah, we recorded it for.
So we recorded the weekbefore the end of the year,
(01:27):
and then we had the episodebacked up.
So we had the New Year'sDay outside,
and then we had my bankedepisode. Yeah.
So what's happened in the worldsince we've recorded?
At least burnt to the ground.
Like burnt to a.
Crisp president and signeda bajillion executive orders.
Yeah. Yeah.
What else has happened in thein the in the world?
I feel like I don't knowwhat happened to January.
(01:49):
I don'tknow what if it was everybody?
But I was busier through Januaryat my work
than I was at Christmas time,
which is quite astonishingfor a haircut person,
because Back to school is like.
But the whole of Januarywas was mental.
Absolutely mental.
People got manic.
Spend it and nothing elseexciting happened.
(02:10):
Tangelo is under abouttwo meters water.
Townsville is under.But everyone's okay.
Their businesses are backopen again.
Like pretty quickly.They're like, yeah, okay.
We're good. Like,what is going down?
If you can make it to your
appointments,if you can make it to this.
Obviously all the businessesI know
in Townsville, hairdressers and.
What are the world,what events happened
kind of thing about the nextevent up Super Bowl tomorrow.
(02:31):
Super Bowl is tomorrow.
It is my third child's birthdaytoday, so happy birthday can.
Happy birthday can.
Happy birthdayK in ten years old.
Oh I believe that. Double.
Digitdouble digit. Double digit.
So yeah. You got a fishy.
Yep. That's all that.That was cool.
And we're off to Bondi next weekto see the turtles hatch.
(02:53):
Yeah that's that'll be lovely.
Are you going to dothe Bundaberg Ginger beer.
Yes. Yeah we're doing the tour.
Yes. Because that oneI haven't done, I've done the.
To bring something backfor the next recording.
Yeah absolutely. Yes.
Anything. Merch pins.
Distillerytour was very fun. In souvenir.
Spoons. Yeah. Okay.
Heritage bottles of rum.
Now, if if you do, I knowyou're not a big drinker,
(03:15):
but the the rum distillery tour.
Other.
I used to drink rum,but it gives me heartburn. Yes.
Okay, I'm like.
I if you haven't. Done it.Honestly. Done. Old man Savage.
I'm with him.
I always it. Happenedwhen I was 22.
It's not even an age thing.
It's just.
Yeah, something that happens.
I thought Jane used to give meheartburn.
Turns out it's tonic water.
Tonic water gives me hot Ben
because I would get a ginand tonic. Oh.
(03:36):
And. Oh, no, I got gin belly.
And then I had a gin and sodaand went, oh this is fantastic.
Yeah.
Well, we're starting to ramble.Sorry.
I was like Aaronyou got married.
Got one of the othermajor events that happened.
So yeah.
Oh look at that.
Congratulations to you every.
Shut up man.
Someone had to downplay it.
It was a great day.
Gotta keep you like. Thank youboth for being groomsmen and.
(03:58):
Oh, yeah, it was not.It was a. Fantastic.
He had a shirt on. Yeah.Thank you.
Shirtless most of the day.
Thank you. Shirted.
He did not have a shirt onfor most of the day before.
The day after?Yeah. In the Airbnb.
Yeah. Yeah.
Let's say he basicallyI don't think I saw him
with a shirton for the first day.
That's brave too.
I don't like,
I'm in the middleof this whole debacle of shirts
(04:20):
and shirt looseness.
Like when we are playingvideo games, I have a shirt off.
But if people come to my house.Yeah, I'm putting a shirt.
Yeah, yeah.
No one needs to see.
Even if it's like my parents or.
Yes, his parents.Like your shirt on. Yeah.
So yeah.
No, it wasa it was a beautiful wedding.
It was a lovely day andit was a great party afterwards.
It was reception.
So yeah. Great reception.
(04:41):
And one of the other thingsthat I found
really cool was the,
breakfast the next morning,but never really done.
That's a good. Idea, isn't it?
It was so where the wedding was.
We all stayed in like littlehuts on the on the property.
And so the next morningwe all got up
and there was breakfastprovided.
So it was like a littlecontinuation of the festivities.
And it was really lovely
actually, to chat breakfastthe next day.
It was, it was really nice.
(05:02):
And it was a chance for Bruno
to find out what the hellhappened at our own wedding.
Yes. Boy,do you not know what's going on.
In your ownway to know what's. Going on.
It's just like, hey,I know that you've just started
doing something,but would you like some photos?
Or would you like tocome over here and do this?
It's just nonstop.
Talk to these people. Timefor the first dance.
Full time for speeches. Oh,time for this. Time for that.
(05:26):
Yeah.
Good fun. Though.
I definitely recommendgetting married.
If we can find the video.
John did an impromptu
cheekytells episode as his speech,
and it was probably the bestepisode of cheeky.
Tells me yes ain't donethe episode.
Cheeky.
Minis and I got some moremade out of it.
So yeah.
No. Yeah,I just did a little bit of,
there was the, suggestionby some of the bridal party
(05:49):
to do explain that episodeas a proper episode.
We'll see how it goes.
Yeah. Yeah, that could be done.
I mean, consideringthis is the Valentine's episode,
we've kind of missed that.
He's he. Yeah, but this is.
I'm thinking about it.All right?
They smirked.
Okay.
Like, hey, he'sa super gothic dude that dies.
Just another
theme.
Really interesting.
(06:09):
Got it. Yeah,these are really interesting.
Yeah, I hope I've done itjustice. I have.
Well, let's hear about
the, Simpsons episodethat this is based on.
Early life.
Before he was knownas the master of the macabre.
He was born.
Edgar was just a little baby.
Baby, little baby with blood.
Just a baby, baby.
(06:31):
The little babyhad, like, the black eyeliner.
And yeah. He came outjust going.
It's not a. Phase.
It came out with a Robert Smith.
Okay.
Like the Robert Smith bats nest.
Came outflicking a fringe. Slightly.
They tuned oh my guitar.
And it was.
Already Robert Smith in The Cureripped off Edgar Allan. Poe.
It was a baby that didn't cryjust to be different.
(06:53):
He's like, I'm not going to belike those other babies.
Babies? Yeah.
Born on January 19th, 1809,baby Edgar
Allan Poe was destinedfor a life in the creative arts.
His father, David, and mother,Elizabeth, were both actors
living in Boston, Massachusetts.
So it was Davy Poe and Liz Poe.
Yeah, which was undoubtedly it,
(07:14):
which would undoubtedlyintroduced
Wee Baby Poe to eccentricityalmost immediately.
It would also introduce himto Los with his father
almost immediatelyleaving to go buy cigarets
and seeminglygetting lost on the way home.
Okay,not that so not the usual Los
that we covered that oneof the parents seems to just.
Yeah.
To be fair, different sourcesstate that he died.
(07:35):
Oh, so who's to say?
And not long after this,when Poe
was on the cusp of his thirdbirthday,
his mother bitthe dust from tuberculosis,
leaving Poeand his younger sister,
an older brother, orphaned.
The trio would be split upbetween family, with Edgar
sent to live with his godfather
John Allen and his wifeFrancis in Richmond, Virginia.
(07:56):
I bet you're talkinglike the short when you edit.
It's just Sean.
Just playing with his laptop.
Yeah, right.
What do you see. This grossbit on the bottom?
Oh, it just this doesn't.
He can't wait. He did.
No it can't.Always going to be included.
It's touching hislegs. He's getting the Tism.
Stop it off a fixation.
(08:16):
It's your. It's not that. It'sI was just little.
I'm like oh that's grossI got to touch.
That's gross.
Better only focus on thisfor the next 30 minutes.
What's the podcast about Sean.
Edgar Allen Poe Allenbeing his godfather's name, Poe
being his birth. Name. He's.
Yeah, I mean he'sit was John, but John Allen.
Yeah. That was his last name.Yeah, exactly. That's the thing.
Allen being his godfather's namethat he adopted from it.
(08:40):
And then Poe being his birthlast name.
Edgar.
Was that how people do that?Sometimes.
Sometimes Edgar was bornEdgar Poe, not Edgar Allen Poe
was given the name he took on.
His last name is hyphenated.Is it? It's not hyphenated.
Say, night, Edgar Poe.
He was.How does that not come up.
When he was brought.
(09:01):
Up? How does that not make sensein your brain?
I assumed. It was.Is that on the Wikipedia page?
Yeah. So I just usethe Wikipedia page for a source.
I know Edgar.
Allan Poe night, Edgar Poe,as in like maiden.
That's his,like, maiden name thing.
It's the first time I've neverI've not used Wikipedia.
And look how it turns out.
Yeah, and everyone use Wikipediafor always.
Let's say it was give me crapfor using Wikipedia.
(09:21):
I mean, his.
Parents, David Poe and ElizabethArnold Hopkins Poe.
And then he was took on by hisbloody godfather, John Allen.
Bloody godfather,Elizabeth Arnold.
Elizabeth Arnold Hopkins Poe.
Is it my middle name.
Or was it?
That's not that's not normal.
It was known by Eliza Poe,though.
Maybe Arnold is. Awhat's her probably.
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No, it's. It'salso one of her early names.
So she
the whole familyobviously just kept
all of their last nameswith not new ones.
So Elizabeth Poe or Eliza Poe'smaiden name is Elizabeth
Arnold, right?
Formerly Hopkins was an English.
Word when a name can be usedfor both genders.
Arnold was born to Henryand Elizabeth Arnold.
And. Yeah.
(10:04):
Are you talking about a like.
It's not anandrogynous name, but it's a,
Yeah.
Like, Ashley isa name that can be used by both.
I think.
What's the. Damn word?
You have a computer?
I know, yeah,but we got to think of the.
With smart people.
I'm not going to race gender.
Neutral names I like.
Yeah,I guess gender neutral is right.
Anyway.
(10:24):
And I'm sure.
John Allen was a businessman.
And I also we're not mentioningwhy we've got these at all.
Because there is no reason.We just have them.
John. Now.
Do the back foot.
Oh such a of boys.
Oh, that sounded painful.
(10:45):
I throw it a little high, mandoesn't fit on my head.
But this is gonna be fun anyway,because of the headphones.
Guys, you flick that a lot.
That was like three revolutions.
Hey, I just got a Tony Hawk.
That'sa John Allen was a businessman
and would be lookingto expand his business
and trading interestsin England in 1815.
(11:05):
Business man.
Does this business man no
reverb.
I was born in the dark.
Sorry fame, but.
Have saved me.
Literally adopted itimmediately.
It took my wife.
Where did you go, Batman?
Sorry, we haven't had it.
(11:26):
We have,I said it's like one paragraph.
Well, you can.
We haven't even gone throughhow he got his.
Yeah, he's still being born.Sorry, mate.
Edgar wood.
I didn't even finish thatsentence. John.
John Allen was a businessman,and we'd be looking
to expand his business andtrading interests in England.
In 1815, bringing his wifeand Edgar along.
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Edgarwould enter boarding school
during his time in England,with some of his experience
in English schools,inspiring characters
and scenes in his laterstories and poetry.
By 1820,the family went back on a boat
to America, with Edgar
resuming his educationin Richmond once more.
His teacher and schoolmateswould recall in later years
that he was already writinggenuine poetry
(12:07):
and was an absolute gunat swimming, running and boxing,
meaning JakePaul will probably try
and fight him at some point.
Please.Oh, there we go. Got him.
Life if you'd, Yeah.
I cannot believeJake Paul was the last one out
in the rural run. Logan,the way.
That one did both this. Time.
Yeah, that's the same person.
(12:28):
Tell you what. I'll showspeed got cut in half.
You know what's hilariousis probably 15 minutes
before he showed up,I was sitting there going.
There's just a whole.
Subgenre of celebrityI know nothing about.
Look who the hell is onshow speed.
What is he?He's just a streamer.
Is there really that many peoplethat care about him?
15 minutes later,
they're running him outin the Royal Rumble.
Crazy.
(12:49):
So a couple of years ago,Johnny Knoxville ran out.
For the Royal. Rumble.Yeah, I'm saying it was right.
Were watching that live.
Life wasn'tall swimming trophies
and poem babes for Edgar,though, as we already know.
And that would continuethrough his teenage years.
But it's on.
In 1823,while attending a seminary,
he would meet his friend RobertStannard, whose mother, Jane
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Stannard, would become Edgar'sfirst childhood crush.
She would diejust one year later.
Oh, baby.
He did not want to be involvedwith this fellow.
Serious, leaving.
Edgar holdingvigil by her grave for days.
Probably, like, properly curse.
Yeah. This guy just keeps out.
This man has got some evilspirit following him around.
(13:33):
He did have some good luckin love as well, though.
Meeting a girl
called Elmer Roysterand becoming secretly engaged.
Elmer, that's a namethat you don't hear anymore.
It's from. Let's bring it. Oh.
My back.
It's actuallyquite a pretty name.
Mean, I think it's Elmer.Oh, no.
Elmira. That's Sarah O'Meara.
Shelton. Next chart.
I mean, I can't have any more.
(13:55):
Name my next child. Elmira.
Like, I'd probably bemore leaning toward Elvira.
She was pretty cool.
Has anyone didanyone, by the way,
did anybody chime in at midnightwith the with the time code?
So race actually message.
And he's like.
Oh man, I missed out. Oh.
So yeah, he'sgoing to have to have a shot
(14:16):
next yearto try and get the coffee.
Cup about that. Yeah.
Yeah. NoI got because no one did this.
No one's.
Oh what's the name.
Read the description.
Oh well that's okay.
Sorry you missed outmore t shirts for me.
Eventually, Edgar would enroll
at the University of Virginiain 1826.
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Despite John Allen's businesssuccess, he was also a tightwad,
giving Edgar
just a third of the moneyhe needed for his school year.
Edgar would turn to gamblingto make up the deficit,
which we all know is guaranteed
way to make a livingthat never turns out poorly.
As such,
it was quite the surprise
when Edgar racked uphuge gambling
debts and John Allenrefused to pay them,
(14:57):
leaving Edgarburning furniture to stay warm.
Eventually,after less than a year
at university, Edgar woulddrop out and return to Richmond.
Alma also seemed alma.
Amara, LRA. Mara, Mira.
Elmira
also seemedto have deserted him,
not respondingto any of his letters.
On his return,
Edgar would find that her father
had been interceptinghis letters,
(15:18):
leading her to believeEdgar had forgotten about her
and she had found a new loveand married him.
Ouch.
So he's just like, a bit weird.
I haven't got any lettersin a year.
And then comes homeand she's like,
oh yeah, you didn't write me.
So I married this other bloke,which seems pretty weird.
That being a dog.
Dog dog.
DIY dog. Bro.
(15:39):
Sorry if I'm the fatherof the love interest
and I'm saying this bloke's
track record,I'm probably do this.
So tell me a bit about yourselfEdgar.
Oh my mum. Dad died. Oh well.
Oh my mum and dad are dead.
This chickthat I loved once died.
My best mates. Mumwho was crushed.
She died too.
Like, gosh, death.
Is all around me.
(16:02):
Like they got to make eyecontact with me.
Quoth the raven.
With his little heartbroken, Edgar would
enlist in the military in Bostonto support his writing.
This was a success
with his first book of poetrypublished in 1827.
In 1829, he would decide thathe wanted to enlist
(16:23):
at West Point. The.
He was. He born oh six.
1809. Nine.
And then 1823. 18. 18.
But so he decides that he wantsto enlist at West Point,
and after Frances Allan.
Will want to enlist for sure.
After Frances Allan, his pseudomother, died in 1829,
(16:43):
he would return home
and ask John Allanto pay his way
out of the militaryto enable it.
No. Somehow John accepted,probably due to his grief
over Frances, and Edgarwould enter West Point.
So he's like, hey man, I'mso sorry for my stepmom.
Dying or not, step mom,my adoptive mother dying.
Hey, also, can you pay my way
out of the army so I cango to West Point? Oh, okay.
(17:06):
Was WestPoint not a military school?
Yes, it's kind of its own thing.
Okay, so the United StatesMilitary Academy of West Point
is its own thing,
which is a gatewayto the United States
Army, is actually calledthe United States Army.
It's just it'sjust our military academy. Yeah.
There's other offices. Yes.Yeah.
Similarto how the Royal Military
College of Done
(17:27):
training is part of the Army,
because it's actuallyits own corps.
The Corps of Staff Cadetsis the Royal Military College
of Doctrine.
It's it's own thinghappens to go to the army.
There you go.
This didn't last long
as Edca
seemed to be developing a bitof an impulsive personality.
Like I just, I who died.
I know nobody died in this,this instance.
(17:47):
And he would abandon his studies
at West Point in 1831,leading to the court martial.
Studies done rebel.
Unable to return to John Allen,probably because of his shame,
Edgar would decide to seek outhis father's relatives
in Baltimore,
which led almost
immediately to him being robbedby one of his cousins.
This is where the Ravenscome into it.
(18:07):
Not yet. Well.
Oh, they spent most of his lifehanging out around.
Baltimore or Baltimore.
Private. Yeah.
Yeah, that's.Why I get to that. Okay.
Oh, this actually,is that actually made?
That'swhere it actually comes from.
That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well,I might as well say it now.
So the whole bit about
the football team's musein the start of the episode,
(18:30):
it's one of Edgar's legaciesis that in 1996,
the NFL, we're going to
like we'reentering a team in Baltimore.
And they held a public voteto be like, hey,
what should our team name be?
And Ravenswon you that almost unanimously.
I was just making a joke,but yeah, I yeah that's okay.
Cool. Yeah.
They had their own team thereoriginally
the Indy IndianaIndiana Indianapolis Colts.
(18:52):
There we go.
Started outas the Baltimore Colts
moved to Indianapolisand then the original Cleveland
Browns moved to Baltimore.
And they're like, well,we can't be the Colts anymore.
So we got to be something new.
Yeah.
So they renamed them the Ravens.
And they had three mascotsto begin with Edgar Allen.
Oh, and now it's just Poe.
Okay. Yeah.
(19:13):
That's awesome. Yeah.
You can and like,
you can kind of see itwhen you look at the team
because it's like their logois kind of gothic
with like the little.
Like the dark. Shield.
The Gothic lettering. Yeah.
They like dark purple like that.All this.
Yeah. It's Edgar Allan Poe.
Okay, cool. Yeah.
So he gets robbed by his cousin.
(19:33):
After this lovelyfamily reunion,
he would eventually settle downwith his aunt Maria Clem
and continuedto publish his poems.
Oh, so he'sjust living with her?
He's not, like,settled down with her? No. Okay.
Just the way you said it,I was like, okay.
No, but keep that.
Slight grossness in your head.
States thatkeep your finger on the ick.
(19:55):
Yeah,keep your finger in the HP.
Sorry.
I feel like I'mgetting very ahead of you.
I have read a lot about himbefore
because I find himreally fascinating. Oh, yeah.
Each morningI'll take a big step back.
Itchywarning. Nietzsche warning.
Was. It was itchy that I said.
Yeah, well,
she was how it startedbecause you spelt icky wrong.
I don't think I ever fix thateither. He did.
He also didn't fix that.
Real was that episode 78when it was episode 97?
(20:17):
Yeah, because I'd have to deleteit. Very uploaded.
Who could be bothered?Okay, so. Much work.
And all those views are going,
he would also win a short story
contest in the BaltimoreSaturday Visitor newspaper,
which would eventually leadto a position as an editor
at the Southern LiteraryMessenger in Richmond.
What a name for a newspaper,by the way.
Yeah, but the.
(20:37):
Saturday Visitor newspaper.
Was really bad.
Not a screw you locals.
I think
the people coming to Baltimorecan buy this newspaper.
On a sad day.
Some of those old newspaperswere just unhinged.
And there's so many of them too.
Yeah, like every cityhad about 30 of them.
Well,the fact that the Ipswich is
like even Ipswich is onethe Advertiser.
(20:59):
Yeah.
It's like, oh it's not going tohave any good stories to read.
It's just adverts nowof course now it's a newspaper.
I mean it'sgot a lot of adverts in it, but
yeah, it's just not a great namefor, for a newspaper.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, you think all
those peoplethat would have been working
in the newspapers backthen, that just influences me.
Yeah.
It's I found I was at my parentshouse the other week.
(21:22):
And I just looked.
I was my parents housethe other week, and I found dad
like I was going through some.
I was trying to find somethingwrong, and I was like,
what's this?
And I pulled out this newspaper
and it was the last everAmex magazine.
Remember the free newspaperthey'd give you on the train?
Yeah. I was like, oh.
That's right, this existed.
(21:43):
Yeah.
And I used to have like themissed opportunities on the Amex
without all.The people being like.
Oh so hot on.
The Caboolture lineat 10:30 p.m..
Yeah Ididn't get to talk to that.
I think that was the only thingthat came out of those things.
I was just like, oh, the awful.
It's like Dolly talked of.
It, absolutely trashed.
It was so. Bad, so good.
(22:03):
My broken heart.
Bring it back for you.
I saw pigeons.
Oh, oh, my raven haired beauty.
Oh, I to do the next paragraphon the.
Old one that I saw the back of
her head on the trainon the Caboolture line.
Actually, I might not do.
This, but I got Morayfield.
(22:24):
He would also find love
marrying his 13 year old cousin.
Gina. When he was 27.Yeah he did.
Yeah, it was a different timeacross time.
The age gap was olderthan she was.
Yes. That'sthat's not the rule. The seven.
Yeah.
Look like that.
14 year age gap. Disgusting.
Half your age plus seven years.
(22:46):
Everybody knows that rule.
No. Yep.
That's the thing okay.Yeah. Look it up.
Taquitos. It's not that gross.
Trust me.
It's actually it balances outfar better than you think.
I mean, my parentshave an 11 year age gap, but
mine.
Was it in 20s when?
Yeah.
As you get older, the agegap matters less.
So you say 84 and 73.
(23:06):
Now you like. Off your ageplus seven years.
Yeah.
But you feel like a 60 year old
with an 80 year old,like who cares? Yep.
If you're old with a 32 yearold, that's
that's the seven rule.
It's not so bad if you're oldwith a 25 year old.
Sure, if you're the 32 yearold Bill Belichick.
Don't talk about thatcause he's seen that.
Yeah.
Leonardo DiCaprio,all those guys, people,
(23:28):
friggin Celine Dion's husband.
Sorry, Celine.
I know you guys been married
for a really long time,but it's weird.
So even though it was gross,
they apparentlyhad a happy marriage.
But they were broke as hell.
Good on them. Yeah.
The family would move time
and time againall over the East coast,
with some of Poe's
work published in bookformat as well.
So we got stuckon the age thing.
Did you say cousin?
(23:48):
Yes, yes, cousin.
Yeah. It'sgross for two reasons.
Yeah, but you gotta remember,that was way more coming back.
That's double dipping.
Does it canceleach other out? No.
Definitely not.
It doesn't.
It just makes it worse.
Gross.
Some of his jobsdidn't even earn him real money
with the book. Publisheroffering money.
Hey, was he getting paidin monopoly?
(24:09):
No, he got paidin copies of his own book.
But it was like27 copies of his own book.
So he hethen had to sell them himself.
But change was on the horizon.
The Raven,
as 1845 rolled around,Poe had written a little piece
you might have heard ofGood Year.
(24:29):
It's called.
The Great Year, 1844.
The Raven. Why? What? Okay.
And it's the onewe all know him for.
The one from the openingof this episode.
I know it from The Simpsons.
It was first publishedby the New York Mirror,
and it quickly catapultedPoe to literary fame.
Terrible name for a newspaper.
It also wasn't just calledthe New York Mirror.
(24:51):
No, no. No.
Three editions that haddifferent names with Marilyn.
The episode with the Raven in itwas that the first Treehouse
of Terrorthree. House of horror.
Treehouse of horror, sir.
Also, you're reallycannibalizing my wrap up here.
You've already donethe football bit.
You're doing the samesince people
just just.
I'm just hitting what I know.Yeah, well, that's it.
I'm keep doing it.That's kind of the point.
(25:12):
So, yeah.He publishes The Raven.
In the New York Mirror,
and it quickly catapultedPoe to literary fame.
He would begin to have his poemsand short stories
published in different
national literary magazines,and would be invited to join
a regular gatheringof New York's literati.
In saying thatI probably couldn't
tell you under the nameof any of these other poems.
(25:32):
No, because I just knowThe Raven.
But hedid have some bangers. Yeah.
Yeah,
I will get to a couple of themlater on.
He would even develop
a friendship with a ladycalled Frances Sergeant Osgood,
who many wouldassume was an affair.
They had good reason to,
as he and Frances would exchangeflirtatious poems
through the pages of New York'sliterary magazine.
(25:54):
So, like the first missedopportunities.
Kind of.
Yeah,but it was like poem format.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like, he put one inand then she responds, yeah,
It'd be like,I don't know, I would assume
that they're not very direct.
Like it's not Francesyour Hardy. It'll be like.
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah.
So the poetry inclinedto understand in the,
in the symbolism.Yeah. Lots of symbolism.
(26:16):
There's the firstI guess the modern.
Day sending a name to an emoji.Yeah.
The emoji.
Just the first
slotting in the DMsjust over the public newspaper.
Yeah. And publicly.
Yeah. Publicly.
It's like if you just post iton someone's Facebook wall.
Hey you hot, you're hot.
A littlebit more cryptic than that.
Well, thanks to his newfoundnotoriety, Poe was finally able
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to live comfortably in boots.
Actually, let's go back throughour old episodes the other day,
sittingin the very latest title of it.
So I. Said. Looks so good.
It's still the greatest haulyou've come up with.
Yeah. Baga.
So he was finally ableto live comfortably.
Trump, if you're listening,please don't say no,
(26:59):
because that's notwhat we're talking about.
It's a play on words.
This didn't last long though,
as it seemed he entereda bout of depression, in 1846.
The gossipingabout his relationship
with FrancesOsgood would get his invitation
to the New York literati groupthat gatherings removed.
If he's going into depression,do we need to cover one on one?
You just understand.
(27:20):
And hewould find himself in a battle
in print
with other writers oversome of his reviews of other
New York writers.
He would even sue the paperthat made him famous,
the New York Mirror,
for the way he was treatedby those writing about him.
He would also report thathe was experiencing continued
ill healthwith the pressure of engagements
with others,calling it brain fever.
(27:41):
Clearly,the years of hardship had done
some damage to Poe's psyche,so he started to hit
a bit of a hey, I'm upset,
which, you know, understandableconsidering the way
his life's gone.
The hardship didn't stop there.
As the theme of Poe's lifegoes, as in 1847,
the family would againbe hit with the death stick,
(28:02):
with his wife, Virginia
falling ill with and eventuallydying from tuberculosis.
TB yeah.
Or as they called it,back in the day, consumption.
Yes. For those that have heardthat in media in the past
and be like the healthconsumption.
Good example had Moulin Rouge.
Good example.
Nicole Kidman'scharacter has the consumption.
(28:22):
I think we had to talkabout that in one of Arabs TV.
Probably.
It seems this was becoming a,
theme in his life,with his mother
also dying from the disease
and with his apparentfamiliarity with death
and with the death of lovedones,
he seemed to move onquite quickly.
Just a year later, in 1848,Poe was talking to two women,
Sara Weightmanand Annie Richmond. Yay!
(28:46):
He Adobe. Player.
And admitting he loved both.
After a whilehe would propose to Weightman,
who would turn himdown, heartbroken
and after a life of painand struggle and loss,
Poe would attemptto take his own life
with an overdose of opiumpowder, unsuccessfully.
After recovering,Whitman would take her hand.
I would take a 180 and agreeto marry Poe
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on the conditionthat he stayed sober.
Unfortunately, he could not,
and after learningthat he had been drinking,
Whitemanwould call off the engagement.
This guy can't catch a break,right?
The final mystery.
Oh, yeah,that's right. Because he's.
Yeah. Yep.
Yeah. That was the hookat the end of the.
The thing with Poe.
He said he can't just havea steady, easy life.
(29:31):
After his attempted suicide,he would move back to Richmond,
where he would reconnectwith his first love, Elmira.
She had been married
in the intervening yearsand unfortunately,
was now also a widow.
She was, however, loaded.
Oh, as her life had been
very well offbefore her husband's passing,
the two would hit it off againand fall in love
(29:52):
with Edgar, proposingto her and her accepting
joyed.
At this change of fortune,
Poe would write to his auntMaria Clem,
telling her of the engagement
and letting her knowthat he would be traveling
to New York to bring her backfor the wedding.
He would set off on a steamshipon September 27th
to head to Baltimoreto begin the journey,
but instead would headinto the foggy mists of Mystery.
(30:15):
Ship Sinks on no.
After arriving in Baltimoreon September 28th, Poe
would disappear for five days.
The cousins back,the cousins got him again.
That rubbed him the first timewhen he got there.
Well, maybe we'll find. Out.
Before reemerging.
On October 3rd,
he was found in a gutter outsidea tavern, deathly
ill, disheveledand unable to communicate.
(30:37):
He would be rushed to WashingtonCollege Hospital,
assumed to be drunk,and was brought to
a room designedfor recovering alcoholics.
He wouldnever recover full consciousness
and was never able to tellwhat had happened to him.
A doctor trading Poe, DoctorJohn Jay Moran, would write to
Maria Clem detailing Poe'sspeaking with spectral
and imaginaryobjects on the walls,
(30:58):
with a pale faceand drenched in sweat.
Poe would eventually die
on October 7th, agedjust 40 years old.
He was giventhe cause of death of,
for nights or brain swelling,
and was buried in an unmarkedgrave in a Baltimore graveyard.
There was no autopsy done,and without any word from Poe,
no official theoryof how he would died.
(31:20):
A sad end to a tortured life.
There aren't.
That is the strange ending.
And it leaves the question
(31:41):
what happenedduring those five days
between him stepping off the boa
There are a number of theoriesfor this one,
none of which can be the provenor disproven aliens.
Let's take a hit.
Number one. I don't know.
Alcohol poisoning?
Potentially the most obviouscause of death
would be alcohol poisoning.
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Poe had struggledwith alcohol and addiction
throughout his life,and was even said
to have been on a benderbefore moving back to Richmond,
as we know, Sarah Whiteman hadeven called off their engagement
due to her due to his drinking,and he'd been found outside
of a tavern,which speaks to the theory,
according to his friends.
He also seemed to bea bit of a lightweight,
(32:23):
with stories of himbeing staggering drunk
after just a single glassof wine. What a charming.
It's likewatching what I'm saying.
Poke poke poke poke. One glass.
It'd be fun. Yeah.
Life's too short to haveto drink that much to get drunk.
One. Being a lostweight has changed a lot.
But yeah,that's why this expression.
Oh, these are cheap drunk.
(32:44):
Yeah, yeah,that's pretty good. Yeah.
We're in an economiccrisis, man.
Cost of living sucks.
Give me one, babyand hit me at the door.
Good. I keep raising the taxeson alcohol.
It just might as well bea. Cheap Aldi beer.
I'm sad.
It's also said that doctorsat the time were known to use,
for nitrous as a cover,polite cover for alcohol
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related deaths.
So it's possiblethat the doctors at hospitals
suspected this as well.
Probably,according to Poe's biographer,
Poe had also had,
had an alcohol related illness,and his doctor
had told him thatanother binge would proof fatal.
Which biographer.
Can't rememberwhich one didn't write the name.
There's like 15 biographies of.
(33:25):
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't knowwhich one was it?
Cirrhosis.
He had become an active memberof the temperance movement
that eventually ledto prohibition.
If you remember that episode,go check it out.
Which backs up the claimthat he was struggling
with alcohol again.Perhaps he had a lapse
in Baltimorethat led to his demise.
(33:46):
So in the lastfew months of his life,
he was, like, activelypart of the temperance movement.
And then shows up
outside of tavern super sick.
Maybe that was abit of a falling off the wagon.
Are you going to talk abouthis biographers?
No. Okay, thencan I bring it up?
You may.
What I mean by which biographer.
(34:07):
So the most popular biographyand eulogy
and was that was written for himwas written by a fierce rival
that hated him
and was the first personto write about his death
and slandered himand called him a piece of crap.
And he published it under a fakename, just signed Ludwig.
Eventually it was found out,hey, it's
(34:27):
actually this Griswald guythat really hates him,
and he's hated him for, like,nearly ten years
and he's full of shit.
Poe did have a lot of enemies.
He had all the enemies.
But Griswald was like,now I hate this dude.
So as soon as he died, as, like,this has happened, he sucked.
He was a woman. Yeah.
And everyone went, oh, okay.
I kind of glossed over it,but he kept writing, like,
(34:47):
negative reviews of allthese other writers in New York.
Yeah, I really like.
To actually incorporateit really above all else.
Poet and critic.
Yeah.
He was a writingcritic, is a writing critic.
He basically wrote The Raven andthen was like, you know what?
Everyone elseis. Don't. Yeah, okay.
Well, it sounds likeeveryone else was dog.
Yeah. Do we rememberany of them? No, not.
(35:08):
Remember that Raven though.
So the second theory.
Election fraud.
Another theory isthat Poe was the victim of
a voterfraud scheme from the 1800s
where a person was kidnaped,drugged, disguised, assaulted
and forcedto vote multiple times
for a specificpolitical candidate.
The day he was foundhappened to be election day,
(35:29):
and the tavern he was found
outside was being usedas a polling station.
He was also found in ill fittingsecondhand clothes,
which lendscredence to the theory.
That beat him upso it doesn't look
the same to the peopledoing the voting. Yeah.
Oh yeah, change his clothes,make him go and vote again.
Because, like, he's obviouslynot going to want to do it.
So like all rightgive him a quick left right.
(35:49):
Good night then
send him back in.
They would also consideringhe was,
incoherent and seems drunk,
it's possiblehe was kidnaped shortly
after arriving in Baltimoreand then forced to drink
and or take drugsbefore being forced to vote.
Whilethere's no definitive evidence
to prove this theory,it certainly fits
with the evidencethat does exist.
(36:11):
Another thing I saw was thatit was commonplace at the time
for when you voted.
They would give you a drinkafterwards
to celebratethe fact you'd voted, you know.
So if he just keptbeing sent back in
now, probablylike he is another drink
and he's like, oh,I guess I have to. Oh,
so the 1800s democracy sausage,which is a democracy shot.
Whiskey. Yeah,but first he shot.
Let's bring that back.
(36:32):
Yeah, I'd do that.
Yeah.
Let's, you want people inthe polls, in the voting booth.
Especially in this country.Give him.
Yeah, have a beer waitingfor him after they give him up.
Yeah. Get rid of this democracy.Sausage. Rubbish microscope.
The last time I got a sausage,right.
Everyone keeps talking about it.
Yeah, I haven't seen oneI see. Yeah, five.
Not on my voting, not my pollingplace, which is a church.
(36:55):
Democracy morning.
Yeah. I'd placescriptures, juice.
Democracy,blood of Christ. Like.
Okay. Thank you for giving usthe blood of Christ.
Past the pulpit. Hell, yeah.
Man. Communion. I'll be back.
In a minute. At five.
Sure.
What's up with communion? Onceevery four years.
Good job.
But safe.
God loves people who vote.
(37:16):
Yeah, I'm so. Upset.
Repenting my sins.
Assaulted and left for dead.
This theory centers around Poe'sdisheveled appearance
when he was found, as wellas a location outside a tavern.
If he had been drinking,it's possible
he was an easy target for peopletrying to rob him,
or even just fighters outlooking for a target.
(37:37):
It's also theorized that, yeah,stick him up.
Yeah.
That's like how they useda box. Like. Yeah, yeah.
That's why. That's the.That's right.
Yeah. Yeah.
If you break breaking hint.Yeah.
It's also theorizedthat he was beaten
due to a run in with a woman.
In an 1867 biography, author IanSmith states,
at the instigation of a womanwho considered herself
(37:59):
injured by him,
Poe was cruelly beaten, blowupon blow, by a ruffian
who knew of no better modeof avenging supposed injuries.
It is well knownthat a brain fever followed.
Another author,
John Evangelist Walsh,evangelist is his middle name,
wrote in the year 2000that Elmira
Shelton's brothers, druggedand beat Poe to his death.
(38:22):
According to his book, herthree brothers had warned him
not to marry their sister,
and when he went aheadwith his journey
to fetch his aunt, they ambushedhim in Baltimore and beat him.
After going into hidingin second hand clothing.
The theory suggests that Poeattempted to escape back
to Richmond,
at which pointthe brothers caught up with him,
beat him, and drugged him withalcohol, leading to his death.
(38:42):
While there's no directevidence of this,
it certainlyis kind of compelling.
I just don't knowif that chased him.
Was the content like that?
I mean,it's like Richmond to Baltimore.
Yeah, he took a steamshipand it took one day.
It's not that far.
Yeah, it's not very far.
You remember that? Like, I feel.
Like 1800 people were lazy.
I don't think they wouldhave been that much effort.
(39:02):
If they also only had to travel,like 13 miles to get anywhere.
And that's a long way.
And it was the most of it backthen.
Back then.
Richmond to Richmond, Virginiato Baltimore is itself
still a bit of. Away. Yeah.
Yeah.
Brain tumor
despite being buried inan unmarked grave some 26 years
(39:23):
later, a grave marker was placedto honor his burial site.
Poe's grave was exhumedin order to move his body
to the new marker.
Apache'sskull was stolen as well, but.
There was a bird in the. Room.
Knock, knock.Knocking on the floor.
Chamber door, isn't it?
I don't know.
And while it was being assumed,the coffin disintegrated,
spilling Poe's bone, Poe's
(39:43):
bones and remaining bodygrew all over the ground.
When they werescooping up his body,
it was noted that a solid masswas found bouncing around
inside his skull.
Only to bring.
It was reportedat the time that this was Poe's
brain,all dried up and shriveled.
Modern medical expertshave posited that
(40:03):
the brain doesn't do that, buta soft tissue would decay away,
leaving the hard
tissue of a tumorthat would calcify and harden.
It's also possiblethat if Poe had a tumor,
it would explain his lowtolerance to alcohol
and could explainthe hallucinations
and poor stateat the end of his life. There.
It's also possible thata combination of these theories
is true, as none of themdisprove the others.
(40:27):
There are also other theories,including rabies,
carbon monoxide poisoningfrom gas lamps, syphilis,
or good old fashioned murder.
But again,none disprove the others
or have any conclusive evidenceto prove themselves.
I mean,considering this guy's track
record, I'm going to say, yeah,
it is a combination of theoryone, two and three mentioned.
Yeah,I think he had a brain tumor.
(40:47):
His brother,a future brother in law, was
giving him a bit of a rough upafter he's.
Calling one after.
He's gone on a bender.
Argument. See election one.
That's my one
legacy.
Regardless of the mechanicsof how he died,
Poe did die andleft a lasting legacy behind
the entire detective genre.
(41:07):
Well,well done with the sentence
structurethat. Yet regardless that
if he did die or Harry,did he die of hell?
He did. He did.
The heat.
200 years ago.
The entire detective genreowes itself
to Poe with his storyThe Murders in the Rue Morgue,
introducingthe first fictional detective.
(41:28):
Poe'sexplorations of madness, grief
and the supernatural influencedlater writers like H.P.
Lovecraft and Stephen King.
The Raven, of course,is his most memorable work,
with people foreverremembering it
from as his most influentialpoem.
Fans have set his poemsto music, and even The Simpsons
have brought some of his storiesto the small screen
(41:48):
with their Treehouse of Horrorseries.
Of most interest to us,though, is his legacy
in the football world,which I've already covered.
Because I have to.
Yes, and I won't again.
But yeah, the Baltimore Ravensactually a reference to.
Edgar Allennot playing tomorrow.
But we wantthe flightless cousins to win
(42:09):
the Eagles not quite lost.
Cousinsfighting cousins on a. Regular.
But regular bird.
Cousins the Eagles. Yes,but yes.
The Philadelphia Penguins.
Philadelphia.
It's the PhiladelphiaKiwis right.
But Philadelphia dodos.
Cassowaries I did database forno nothing exact.
They don't do anything.Like that did.
(42:31):
Yeah as well I expect they did.
And that is the story of Edgar
AllanPoe and his mysterious death.
What do you think Sean.
You love it.
I love it. Yeah Allan Poe. Yeah.
There are a lot of peoplein this life
that I considerto be the original IMO's.
(42:53):
Oh. Edgar AllanPoe is one of them.
Frederic Chopin is another one.
But I'm going to get to
him on another daybecause he is very funny.
The world would be like, oh,we might play it in my parlor.
And labor and leave me alone.
Anyway, I love Edgar Allan Poe.
I just think he's fantastic.
I love thatso much of what happened in
his life was completelyintentional.
(43:14):
Yeah, like
peopledying is the unfortunate stuff.
But everything elsethat happened was just.
It was by design. Yeah, right.
Like he joined the Army, liedabout his age, and he's like,
this isn't working.How do I get out of this?
I'm just going to tell themhow old I actually am.
And it's like, oh, okay, I'dlike to be honorably discharged.
(43:34):
I can't do that.
What if I make amendswith my dad?
Yeah. Okay,I'll sign off on that. Cool.
I handle this.
I'm going to go to West Point.This would be sick.
I don't want to do.
A West Point anymore,so I'm going to get in trouble.
And it's like, I'mgoing to get in trouble, cause.
He just didn't show upfor like a week.
And then it's like,I'm going to get found guilty.
And the way that the courtmartial system works is
if I plead guilty, though,
to slap me on the wrist,how do I get out of here?
(43:55):
Oh, I know that I'm guilty.Everybody knows.
And I'm just going to say I'mnot guilty.
And then they'll absolutelyboot me out.
Punk workedlike everything was by design.
He was a very smart man,
and he really knewwhat he was doing,
but he was never suitedfor any of these things.
He was a romantic man.
He was like a curiosity,like he'd come from adversity.
He was like, yeah, like I said,like I create an arm
(44:18):
of, like, the arts.Yeah, he's a big artist. Yeah.
He also feels so tangible
because, like,we've got a photo of him.
Yeah, we know whathe looked like a degree.
Our top.
Yeah. Okay.But whatever. It's a photo.
What was the thing I sentyou to the day that was like,
if these things happenedat the same time that you just.
Yeah. Should.
Yeah, I'd love that stuff.
For those that are very curiousabout what.
(44:40):
He's about to go film nerd.
But what a DiCaprio type is,is actually really fascinating.
It's an early formof photography that was,
very quickly become obsoleteeven by the 1850s.
I was obviously.
But sometimes you seethese old pictures of like,
really old peopleand you're like, now, surely
they didn't have a photo backthen.
We knowthe first photo of a human
was taken in Francein the 18 late 1800s.
Have we got a pictureof Abraham Lincoln?
(45:01):
They had like sheets of silver
that would polish itto a mirror, shine,
and then like,and smoke it with some stuff
that made itchemically like sensitive.
And then there were just like
and like put a camerain front of it
and like, expose itfor as long as necessary.
And it worked similarly to filmthe like
the doctorate is the longerit needed.
And then then shut it off.
And then when you look at it,depending on what angle
(45:22):
you look at it, it'seither a negative or a positive.
It's actuallyreally interesting.
And when you look at it,the karyotype, when you say
it looks like a photo,like they scan it,
what you're looking at
the doc sections,that's actually mirrored silver.
And then the lighter sections
are actually whereall the chemicals really.
It's fascinating.It's very, very interesting.
Pretty similar
to that guy that you send meevery so often that does like
light photography.
(45:45):
Yeah, it's pretty much yeah.
It's pretty much wet platephotography.
It's it's really interesting.
But yeah,like we know what he look like.
Yeah.
These places that he lived,you can still real places.
He's I think three of his housesstill exist.
It's Richmond,New York and Baltimore. Yeah.
Philadelphia.
Philadelphia. Yeah.
Yeah. Richmond.
Is it Richmond?Philadelphia. Baltimore.
(46:07):
Doesn't matter.
There's three of his houses.
He can go visit the.Bronx, Philadelphia.
And then I thinkthere's one in Baltimore.
There's not Richmond.
And like,his work is still relevant now.
Like Stephen King'sstill writing books.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, there's a lotof a tangibility about him.
And he did so muchdifferent stuff.
Like his most
famous work is effectivelyGothic poetry and storytelling.
(46:29):
But he also wrote like,satirical stuff.
He was kind of fascinatedwith like the pseudo sciences
and often wrote thingsabout phrenology,
you know, the study of the witchis now it's debunked.
But like they thought
that the bumps in your skullcould determine
mental states, illnessesand things like that
and like your personalitytraits. Phrenology.
Common thing.
(46:49):
Like he didlots of different stuff.
He was justhe was a curious mind.
He was a thinker. Yeah.
He's a fascinating man.
I feel like you'vemoved out of shop by the way.
I haven't moved the microphone.
I was just tryingnot to make a joke of it.
Here we can see the bumpson his head, but nobody else.
I got a freaky shaped head.
As a pole jerk.
Yeah, I know it was.
(47:11):
Yeah. Low hanging fruit.
Love Edgar AllanPoe. Fascinating man.
Hilarious like personto sort of poke fun at.
Yeah.
He's cool.
Yeah, but there's something coolabout him. Yeah.
Which is the most funbit about it.
I'd love to have a pot with him.
Not a pint,because he'd probably die.
Well, he could just havesome tepid water.
Yeah. He would.
(47:32):
You like a small glassof sherry, sir?
Very small.
Yeah, but that's Allan Poe.
Yes. Glad you enjoyed. It.
Name's Edgar. Edgar?
Yeah.
And that's,that's this week. Done.
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(47:52):
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(48:14):
Some here. Yo.
Yeah, get us in there.
Or your eyes. Whichever one,
do the oppositeof what you're currently doing.
Try it out.
We will be backin another fortnight,
with somebody's episode.
Probably yours.
And we hope to hear you.
We hope that you hear us. Then.
It's been awhile since I've done a wrap up.
(48:35):
I don't know what I'mdoing anymore. Yeah. Good night.
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Good night. Jakarta.
I cannot.
And the raven, never flitting.
Still is sitting,
still is sitting on the pallid
bust of Pallasjust above my chamber door.
And his eyeshave all the seeming of a demons
that is dreaming.
And the lamplight o'er himstreaming.
Throws his shadow on the floor.
And my soul from at that shadowthat lies floating on the floor
shall be lifted nevermore.
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These are the words of the
final stanza of one of the mostfamous poems of all time.
Known for his melancholicand brooding poems, overflowing
with charismaand eccentricity,
this author's careerspanned from 1827 to 1849,
until it was mysteriously cutshort. This week on Cheeky Tales
we cover the life of a poet,a lover, a weirdo,
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even a football team's muse,with a podcast biography
of Edgar Allan Poe.
We're back.
We're back.
(01:05):
It's been a long time.
Since we recall. Since we'vebeen in this room together.
Yeah. When did we. We recorded
this New Year's Day.Like a year's day?
No, not beforeNew Year's Day or so.
So, yeah,
I was it,
maybe weird for these days?
Yeah, we recorded it for.
So we recorded the weekbefore the end of the year,
(01:27):
and then we had the episodebacked up.
So we had the New Year'sDay outside,
and then we had my bankedepisode. Yeah.
So what's happened in the worldsince we've recorded?
At least burnt to the ground.
Like burnt to a.
Crisp president and signeda bajillion executive orders.
Yeah. Yeah.
What else has happened in thein the in the world?
I feel like I don't knowwhat happened to January.
(01:49):
I don'tknow what if it was everybody?
But I was busier through Januaryat my work
than I was at Christmas time,
which is quite astonishingfor a haircut person,
because Back to school is like.
But the whole of Januarywas was mental.
Absolutely mental.
People got manic.
Spend it and nothing elseexciting happened.
(02:10):
Tangelo is under abouttwo meters water.
Townsville is under.But everyone's okay.
Their businesses are backopen again.
Like pretty quickly.They're like, yeah, okay.
We're good. Like,what is going down?
If you can make it to your
appointments,if you can make it to this.
Obviously all the businessesI know
in Townsville, hairdressers and.
What are the world,what events happened
kind of thing about the nextevent up Super Bowl tomorrow.
(02:31):
Super Bowl is tomorrow.
It is my third child's birthdaytoday, so happy birthday can.
Happy birthday can.
Happy birthdayK in ten years old.
Oh I believe that. Double.
Digitdouble digit. Double digit.
So yeah. You got a fishy.
Yep. That's all that.That was cool.
And we're off to Bondi next weekto see the turtles hatch.
(02:53):
Yeah that's that'll be lovely.
Are you going to dothe Bundaberg Ginger beer.
Yes. Yeah we're doing the tour.
Yes. Because that oneI haven't done, I've done the.
To bring something backfor the next recording.
Yeah absolutely. Yes.
Anything. Merch pins.
Distillerytour was very fun. In souvenir.
Spoons. Yeah. Okay.
Heritage bottles of rum.
Now, if if you do, I knowyou're not a big drinker,
(03:15):
but the the rum distillery tour.
Other.
I used to drink rum,but it gives me heartburn. Yes.
Okay, I'm like.
I if you haven't. Done it.Honestly. Done. Old man Savage.
I'm with him.
I always it. Happenedwhen I was 22.
It's not even an age thing.
It's just.
Yeah, something that happens.
I thought Jane used to give meheartburn.
Turns out it's tonic water.
Tonic water gives me hot Ben
because I would get a ginand tonic. Oh.
(03:36):
And. Oh, no, I got gin belly.
And then I had a gin and sodaand went, oh this is fantastic.
Yeah.
Well, we're starting to ramble.Sorry.
I was like Aaronyou got married.
Got one of the othermajor events that happened.
So yeah.
Oh look at that.
Congratulations to you every.
Shut up man.
Someone had to downplay it.
It was a great day.
Gotta keep you like. Thank youboth for being groomsmen and.
(03:58):
Oh, yeah, it was not.It was a. Fantastic.
He had a shirt on. Yeah.Thank you.
Shirtless most of the day.
Thank you. Shirted.
He did not have a shirt onfor most of the day before.
The day after?Yeah. In the Airbnb.
Yeah. Yeah.
Let's say he basicallyI don't think I saw him
with a shirton for the first day.
That's brave too.
I don't like,
I'm in the middleof this whole debacle of shirts
(04:20):
and shirt looseness.
Like when we are playingvideo games, I have a shirt off.
But if people come to my house.Yeah, I'm putting a shirt.
Yeah, yeah.
No one needs to see.
Even if it's like my parents or.
Yes, his parents.Like your shirt on. Yeah.
So yeah.
No, it wasa it was a beautiful wedding.
It was a lovely day andit was a great party afterwards.
It was reception.
So yeah. Great reception.
(04:41):
And one of the other thingsthat I found
really cool was the,
breakfast the next morning,but never really done.
That's a good. Idea, isn't it?
It was so where the wedding was.
We all stayed in like littlehuts on the on the property.
And so the next morningwe all got up
and there was breakfastprovided.
So it was like a littlecontinuation of the festivities.
And it was really lovely
actually, to chat breakfastthe next day.
It was, it was really nice.
(05:02):
And it was a chance for Bruno
to find out what the hellhappened at our own wedding.
Yes. Boy,do you not know what's going on.
In your ownway to know what's. Going on.
It's just like, hey,I know that you've just started
doing something,but would you like some photos?
Or would you like tocome over here and do this?
It's just nonstop.
Talk to these people. Timefor the first dance.
Full time for speeches. Oh,time for this. Time for that.
(05:26):
Yeah.
Good fun. Though.
I definitely recommendgetting married.
If we can find the video.
John did an impromptu
cheekytells episode as his speech,
and it was probably the bestepisode of cheeky.
Tells me yes ain't donethe episode.
Cheeky.
Minis and I got some moremade out of it.
So yeah.
No. Yeah,I just did a little bit of,
there was the, suggestionby some of the bridal party
(05:49):
to do explain that episodeas a proper episode.
We'll see how it goes.
Yeah. Yeah, that could be done.
I mean, consideringthis is the Valentine's episode,
we've kind of missed that.
He's he. Yeah, but this is.
I'm thinking about it.All right?
They smirked.
Okay.
Like, hey, he'sa super gothic dude that dies.
Just another
theme.
Really interesting.
(06:09):
Got it. Yeah,these are really interesting.
Yeah, I hope I've done itjustice. I have.
Well, let's hear about
the, Simpsons episodethat this is based on.
Early life.
Before he was knownas the master of the macabre.
He was born.
Edgar was just a little baby.
Baby, little baby with blood.
Just a baby, baby.
(06:31):
The little babyhad, like, the black eyeliner.
And yeah. He came outjust going.
It's not a. Phase.
It came out with a Robert Smith.
Okay.
Like the Robert Smith bats nest.
Came outflicking a fringe. Slightly.
They tuned oh my guitar.
And it was.
Already Robert Smith in The Cureripped off Edgar Allan. Poe.
It was a baby that didn't cryjust to be different.
(06:53):
He's like, I'm not going to belike those other babies.
Babies? Yeah.
Born on January 19th, 1809,baby Edgar
Allan Poe was destinedfor a life in the creative arts.
His father, David, and mother,Elizabeth, were both actors
living in Boston, Massachusetts.
So it was Davy Poe and Liz Poe.
Yeah, which was undoubtedly it,
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which would undoubtedlyintroduced
Wee Baby Poe to eccentricityalmost immediately.
It would also introduce himto Los with his father
almost immediatelyleaving to go buy cigarets
and seeminglygetting lost on the way home.
Okay,not that so not the usual Los
that we covered that oneof the parents seems to just.
Yeah.
To be fair, different sourcesstate that he died.
(07:35):
Oh, so who's to say?
And not long after this,when Poe
was on the cusp of his thirdbirthday,
his mother bitthe dust from tuberculosis,
leaving Poeand his younger sister,
an older brother, orphaned.
The trio would be split upbetween family, with Edgar
sent to live with his godfather
John Allen and his wifeFrancis in Richmond, Virginia.
(07:56):
I bet you're talkinglike the short when you edit.
It's just Sean.
Just playing with his laptop.
Yeah, right.
What do you see. This grossbit on the bottom?
Oh, it just this doesn't.
He can't wait. He did.
No it can't.Always going to be included.
It's touching hislegs. He's getting the Tism.
Stop it off a fixation.
(08:16):
It's your. It's not that. It'sI was just little.
I'm like oh that's grossI got to touch.
That's gross.
Better only focus on thisfor the next 30 minutes.
What's the podcast about Sean.
Edgar Allen Poe Allenbeing his godfather's name, Poe
being his birth. Name. He's.
Yeah, I mean he'sit was John, but John Allen.
Yeah. That was his last name.Yeah, exactly. That's the thing.
Allen being his godfather's namethat he adopted from it.
(08:40):
And then Poe being his birthlast name.
Edgar.
Was that how people do that?Sometimes.
Sometimes Edgar was bornEdgar Poe, not Edgar Allen Poe
was given the name he took on.
His last name is hyphenated.Is it? It's not hyphenated.
Say, night, Edgar Poe.
He was.How does that not come up.
When he was brought.
(09:01):
Up? How does that not make sensein your brain?
I assumed. It was.Is that on the Wikipedia page?
Yeah. So I just usethe Wikipedia page for a source.
I know Edgar.
Allan Poe night, Edgar Poe,as in like maiden.
That's his,like, maiden name thing.
It's the first time I've neverI've not used Wikipedia.
And look how it turns out.
Yeah, and everyone use Wikipediafor always.
Let's say it was give me crapfor using Wikipedia.
(09:21):
I mean, his.
Parents, David Poe and ElizabethArnold Hopkins Poe.
And then he was took on by hisbloody godfather, John Allen.
Bloody godfather,Elizabeth Arnold.
Elizabeth Arnold Hopkins Poe.
Is it my middle name.
Or was it?
That's not that's not normal.
It was known by Eliza Poe,though.
Maybe Arnold is. Awhat's her probably.
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No, it's. It'salso one of her early names.
So she
the whole familyobviously just kept
all of their last nameswith not new ones.
So Elizabeth Poe or Eliza Poe'smaiden name is Elizabeth
Arnold, right?
Formerly Hopkins was an English.
Word when a name can be usedfor both genders.
Arnold was born to Henryand Elizabeth Arnold.
And. Yeah.
(10:04):
Are you talking about a like.
It's not anandrogynous name, but it's a,
Yeah.
Like, Ashley isa name that can be used by both.
I think.
What's the. Damn word?
You have a computer?
I know, yeah,but we got to think of the.
With smart people.
I'm not going to race gender.
Neutral names I like.
Yeah,I guess gender neutral is right.
Anyway.
(10:24):
And I'm sure.
John Allen was a businessman.
And I also we're not mentioningwhy we've got these at all.
Because there is no reason.We just have them.
John. Now.
Do the back foot.
Oh such a of boys.
Oh, that sounded painful.
(10:45):
I throw it a little high, mandoesn't fit on my head.
But this is gonna be fun anyway,because of the headphones.
Guys, you flick that a lot.
That was like three revolutions.
Hey, I just got a Tony Hawk.
That'sa John Allen was a businessman
and would be lookingto expand his business
and trading interestsin England in 1815.
(11:05):
Business man.
Does this business man no
reverb.
I was born in the dark.
Sorry fame, but.
Have saved me.
Literally adopted itimmediately.
It took my wife.
Where did you go, Batman?
Sorry, we haven't had it.
(11:26):
We have,I said it's like one paragraph.
Well, you can.
We haven't even gone throughhow he got his.
Yeah, he's still being born.Sorry, mate.
Edgar wood.
I didn't even finish thatsentence. John.
John Allen was a businessman,and we'd be looking
to expand his business andtrading interests in England.
In 1815, bringing his wifeand Edgar along.
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Edgarwould enter boarding school
during his time in England,with some of his experience
in English schools,inspiring characters
and scenes in his laterstories and poetry.
By 1820,the family went back on a boat
to America, with Edgar
resuming his educationin Richmond once more.
His teacher and schoolmateswould recall in later years
that he was already writinggenuine poetry
(12:07):
and was an absolute gunat swimming, running and boxing,
meaning JakePaul will probably try
and fight him at some point.
Please.Oh, there we go. Got him.
Life if you'd, Yeah.
I cannot believeJake Paul was the last one out
in the rural run. Logan,the way.
That one did both this. Time.
Yeah, that's the same person.
(12:28):
Tell you what. I'll showspeed got cut in half.
You know what's hilariousis probably 15 minutes
before he showed up,I was sitting there going.
There's just a whole.
Subgenre of celebrityI know nothing about.
Look who the hell is onshow speed.
What is he?He's just a streamer.
Is there really that many peoplethat care about him?
15 minutes later,
they're running him outin the Royal Rumble.
Crazy.
(12:49):
So a couple of years ago,Johnny Knoxville ran out.
For the Royal. Rumble.Yeah, I'm saying it was right.
Were watching that live.
Life wasn'tall swimming trophies
and poem babes for Edgar,though, as we already know.
And that would continuethrough his teenage years.
But it's on.
In 1823,while attending a seminary,
he would meet his friend RobertStannard, whose mother, Jane
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Stannard, would become Edgar'sfirst childhood crush.
She would diejust one year later.
Oh, baby.
He did not want to be involvedwith this fellow.
Serious, leaving.
Edgar holdingvigil by her grave for days.
Probably, like, properly curse.
Yeah. This guy just keeps out.
This man has got some evilspirit following him around.
(13:33):
He did have some good luckin love as well, though.
Meeting a girl
called Elmer Roysterand becoming secretly engaged.
Elmer, that's a namethat you don't hear anymore.
It's from. Let's bring it. Oh.
My back.
It's actuallyquite a pretty name.
Mean, I think it's Elmer.Oh, no.
Elmira. That's Sarah O'Meara.
Shelton. Next chart.
I mean, I can't have any more.
(13:55):
Name my next child. Elmira.
Like, I'd probably bemore leaning toward Elvira.
She was pretty cool.
Has anyone didanyone, by the way,
did anybody chime in at midnightwith the with the time code?
So race actually message.
And he's like.
Oh man, I missed out. Oh.
So yeah, he'sgoing to have to have a shot
(14:16):
next yearto try and get the coffee.
Cup about that. Yeah.
Yeah. NoI got because no one did this.
No one's.
Oh what's the name.
Read the description.
Oh well that's okay.
Sorry you missed outmore t shirts for me.
Eventually, Edgar would enroll
at the University of Virginiain 1826.
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Despite John Allen's businesssuccess, he was also a tightwad,
giving Edgar
just a third of the moneyhe needed for his school year.
Edgar would turn to gamblingto make up the deficit,
which we all know is guaranteed
way to make a livingthat never turns out poorly.
As such,
it was quite the surprise
when Edgar racked uphuge gambling
debts and John Allenrefused to pay them,
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leaving Edgarburning furniture to stay warm.
Eventually,after less than a year
at university, Edgar woulddrop out and return to Richmond.
Alma also seemed alma.
Amara, LRA. Mara, Mira.
Elmira
also seemedto have deserted him,
not respondingto any of his letters.
On his return,
Edgar would find that her father
had been interceptinghis letters,
(15:18):
leading her to believeEdgar had forgotten about her
and she had found a new loveand married him.
Ouch.
So he's just like, a bit weird.
I haven't got any lettersin a year.
And then comes homeand she's like,
oh yeah, you didn't write me.
So I married this other bloke,which seems pretty weird.
That being a dog.
Dog dog.
DIY dog. Bro.
(15:39):
Sorry if I'm the fatherof the love interest
and I'm saying this bloke's
track record,I'm probably do this.
So tell me a bit about yourselfEdgar.
Oh my mum. Dad died. Oh well.
Oh my mum and dad are dead.
This chickthat I loved once died.
My best mates. Mumwho was crushed.
She died too.
Like, gosh, death.
Is all around me.
(16:02):
Like they got to make eyecontact with me.
Quoth the raven.
With his little heartbroken, Edgar would
enlist in the military in Bostonto support his writing.
This was a success
with his first book of poetrypublished in 1827.
In 1829, he would decide thathe wanted to enlist
(16:23):
at West Point. The.
He was. He born oh six.
1809. Nine.
And then 1823. 18. 18.
But so he decides that he wantsto enlist at West Point,
and after Frances Allan.
Will want to enlist for sure.
After Frances Allan, his pseudomother, died in 1829,
(16:43):
he would return home
and ask John Allanto pay his way
out of the militaryto enable it.
No. Somehow John accepted,probably due to his grief
over Frances, and Edgarwould enter West Point.
So he's like, hey man, I'mso sorry for my stepmom.
Dying or not, step mom,my adoptive mother dying.
Hey, also, can you pay my way
out of the army so I cango to West Point? Oh, okay.
(17:06):
Was WestPoint not a military school?
Yes, it's kind of its own thing.
Okay, so the United StatesMilitary Academy of West Point
is its own thing,
which is a gatewayto the United States
Army, is actually calledthe United States Army.
It's just it'sjust our military academy. Yeah.
There's other offices. Yes.Yeah.
Similarto how the Royal Military
College of Done
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training is part of the Army,
because it's actuallyits own corps.
The Corps of Staff Cadetsis the Royal Military College
of Doctrine.
It's it's own thinghappens to go to the army.
There you go.
This didn't last long
as Edca
seemed to be developing a bitof an impulsive personality.
Like I just, I who died.
I know nobody died in this,this instance.
(17:47):
And he would abandon his studies
at West Point in 1831,leading to the court martial.
Studies done rebel.
Unable to return to John Allen,probably because of his shame,
Edgar would decide to seek outhis father's relatives
in Baltimore,
which led almost
immediately to him being robbedby one of his cousins.
This is where the Ravenscome into it.
(18:07):
Not yet. Well.
Oh, they spent most of his lifehanging out around.
Baltimore or Baltimore.
Private. Yeah.
Yeah, that's.Why I get to that. Okay.
Oh, this actually,is that actually made?
That'swhere it actually comes from.
That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Well,I might as well say it now.
So the whole bit about
the football team's musein the start of the episode,
(18:30):
it's one of Edgar's legaciesis that in 1996,
the NFL, we're going to
like we'reentering a team in Baltimore.
And they held a public voteto be like, hey,
what should our team name be?
And Ravenswon you that almost unanimously.
I was just making a joke,but yeah, I yeah that's okay.
Cool. Yeah.
They had their own team thereoriginally
the Indy IndianaIndiana Indianapolis Colts.
(18:52):
There we go.
Started outas the Baltimore Colts
moved to Indianapolisand then the original Cleveland
Browns moved to Baltimore.
And they're like, well,we can't be the Colts anymore.
So we got to be something new.
Yeah.
So they renamed them the Ravens.
And they had three mascotsto begin with Edgar Allen.
Oh, and now it's just Poe.
Okay. Yeah.
(19:13):
That's awesome. Yeah.
You can and like,
you can kind of see itwhen you look at the team
because it's like their logois kind of gothic
with like the little.
Like the dark. Shield.
The Gothic lettering. Yeah.
They like dark purple like that.All this.
Yeah. It's Edgar Allan Poe.
Okay, cool. Yeah.
So he gets robbed by his cousin.
(19:33):
After this lovelyfamily reunion,
he would eventually settle downwith his aunt Maria Clem
and continuedto publish his poems.
Oh, so he'sjust living with her?
He's not, like,settled down with her? No. Okay.
Just the way you said it,I was like, okay.
No, but keep that.
Slight grossness in your head.
States thatkeep your finger on the ick.
(19:55):
Yeah,keep your finger in the HP.
Sorry.
I feel like I'mgetting very ahead of you.
I have read a lot about himbefore
because I find himreally fascinating. Oh, yeah.
Each morningI'll take a big step back.
Itchywarning. Nietzsche warning.
Was. It was itchy that I said.
Yeah, well,
she was how it startedbecause you spelt icky wrong.
I don't think I ever fix thateither. He did.
He also didn't fix that.
Real was that episode 78when it was episode 97?
(20:17):
Yeah, because I'd have to deleteit. Very uploaded.
Who could be bothered?Okay, so. Much work.
And all those views are going,
he would also win a short story
contest in the BaltimoreSaturday Visitor newspaper,
which would eventually leadto a position as an editor
at the Southern LiteraryMessenger in Richmond.
What a name for a newspaper,by the way.
Yeah, but the.
(20:37):
Saturday Visitor newspaper.
Was really bad.
Not a screw you locals.
I think
the people coming to Baltimorecan buy this newspaper.
On a sad day.
Some of those old newspaperswere just unhinged.
And there's so many of them too.
Yeah, like every cityhad about 30 of them.
Well,the fact that the Ipswich is
like even Ipswich is onethe Advertiser.
(20:59):
Yeah.
It's like, oh it's not going tohave any good stories to read.
It's just adverts nowof course now it's a newspaper.
I mean it'sgot a lot of adverts in it, but
yeah, it's just not a great namefor, for a newspaper.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, you think all
those peoplethat would have been working
in the newspapers backthen, that just influences me.
Yeah.
It's I found I was at my parentshouse the other week.
(21:22):
And I just looked.
I was my parents housethe other week, and I found dad
like I was going through some.
I was trying to find somethingwrong, and I was like,
what's this?
And I pulled out this newspaper
and it was the last everAmex magazine.
Remember the free newspaperthey'd give you on the train?
Yeah. I was like, oh.
That's right, this existed.
(21:43):
Yeah.
And I used to have like themissed opportunities on the Amex
without all.The people being like.
Oh so hot on.
The Caboolture lineat 10:30 p.m..
Yeah Ididn't get to talk to that.
I think that was the only thingthat came out of those things.
I was just like, oh, the awful.
It's like Dolly talked of.
It, absolutely trashed.
It was so. Bad, so good.
(22:03):
My broken heart.
Bring it back for you.
I saw pigeons.
Oh, oh, my raven haired beauty.
Oh, I to do the next paragraphon the.
Old one that I saw the back of
her head on the trainon the Caboolture line.
Actually, I might not do.
This, but I got Morayfield.
(22:24):
He would also find love
marrying his 13 year old cousin.
Gina. When he was 27.Yeah he did.
Yeah, it was a different timeacross time.
The age gap was olderthan she was.
Yes. That'sthat's not the rule. The seven.
Yeah.
Look like that.
14 year age gap. Disgusting.
Half your age plus seven years.
(22:46):
Everybody knows that rule.
No. Yep.
That's the thing okay.Yeah. Look it up.
Taquitos. It's not that gross.
Trust me.
It's actually it balances outfar better than you think.
I mean, my parentshave an 11 year age gap, but
mine.
Was it in 20s when?
Yeah.
As you get older, the agegap matters less.
So you say 84 and 73.
(23:06):
Now you like. Off your ageplus seven years.
Yeah.
But you feel like a 60 year old
with an 80 year old,like who cares? Yep.
If you're old with a 32 yearold, that's
that's the seven rule.
It's not so bad if you're oldwith a 25 year old.
Sure, if you're the 32 yearold Bill Belichick.
Don't talk about thatcause he's seen that.
Yeah.
Leonardo DiCaprio,all those guys, people,
(23:28):
friggin Celine Dion's husband.
Sorry, Celine.
I know you guys been married
for a really long time,but it's weird.
So even though it was gross,
they apparentlyhad a happy marriage.
But they were broke as hell.
Good on them. Yeah.
The family would move time
and time againall over the East coast,
with some of Poe's
work published in bookformat as well.
So we got stuckon the age thing.
Did you say cousin?
(23:48):
Yes, yes, cousin.
Yeah. It'sgross for two reasons.
Yeah, but you gotta remember,that was way more coming back.
That's double dipping.
Does it canceleach other out? No.
Definitely not.
It doesn't.
It just makes it worse.
Gross.
Some of his jobsdidn't even earn him real money
with the book. Publisheroffering money.
Hey, was he getting paidin monopoly?
(24:09):
No, he got paidin copies of his own book.
But it was like27 copies of his own book.
So he hethen had to sell them himself.
But change was on the horizon.
The Raven,
as 1845 rolled around,Poe had written a little piece
you might have heard ofGood Year.
(24:29):
It's called.
The Great Year, 1844.
The Raven. Why? What? Okay.
And it's the onewe all know him for.
The one from the openingof this episode.
I know it from The Simpsons.
It was first publishedby the New York Mirror,
and it quickly catapultedPoe to literary fame.
Terrible name for a newspaper.
It also wasn't just calledthe New York Mirror.
(24:51):
No, no. No.
Three editions that haddifferent names with Marilyn.
The episode with the Raven in itwas that the first Treehouse
of Terrorthree. House of horror.
Treehouse of horror, sir.
Also, you're reallycannibalizing my wrap up here.
You've already donethe football bit.
You're doing the samesince people
just just.
I'm just hitting what I know.Yeah, well, that's it.
I'm keep doing it.That's kind of the point.
(25:12):
So, yeah.He publishes The Raven.
In the New York Mirror,
and it quickly catapultedPoe to literary fame.
He would begin to have his poemsand short stories
published in different
national literary magazines,and would be invited to join
a regular gatheringof New York's literati.
In saying thatI probably couldn't
tell you under the nameof any of these other poems.
(25:32):
No, because I just knowThe Raven.
But hedid have some bangers. Yeah.
Yeah,
I will get to a couple of themlater on.
He would even develop
a friendship with a ladycalled Frances Sergeant Osgood,
who many wouldassume was an affair.
They had good reason to,
as he and Frances would exchangeflirtatious poems
through the pages of New York'sliterary magazine.
(25:54):
So, like the first missedopportunities.
Kind of.
Yeah,but it was like poem format.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like, he put one inand then she responds, yeah,
It'd be like,I don't know, I would assume
that they're not very direct.
Like it's not Francesyour Hardy. It'll be like.
No, no, no.
Yeah, yeah.
So the poetry inclinedto understand in the,
in the symbolism.Yeah. Lots of symbolism.
(26:16):
There's the firstI guess the modern.
Day sending a name to an emoji.Yeah.
The emoji.
Just the first
slotting in the DMsjust over the public newspaper.
Yeah. And publicly.
Yeah. Publicly.
It's like if you just post iton someone's Facebook wall.
Hey you hot, you're hot.
A littlebit more cryptic than that.
Well, thanks to his newfoundnotoriety, Poe was finally able
(26:38):
to live comfortably in boots.
Actually, let's go back throughour old episodes the other day,
sittingin the very latest title of it.
So I. Said. Looks so good.
It's still the greatest haulyou've come up with.
Yeah. Baga.
So he was finally ableto live comfortably.
Trump, if you're listening,please don't say no,
(26:59):
because that's notwhat we're talking about.
It's a play on words.
This didn't last long though,
as it seemed he entereda bout of depression, in 1846.
The gossipingabout his relationship
with FrancesOsgood would get his invitation
to the New York literati groupthat gatherings removed.
If he's going into depression,do we need to cover one on one?
You just understand.
(27:20):
And hewould find himself in a battle
in print
with other writers oversome of his reviews of other
New York writers.
He would even sue the paperthat made him famous,
the New York Mirror,
for the way he was treatedby those writing about him.
He would also report thathe was experiencing continued
ill healthwith the pressure of engagements
with others,calling it brain fever.
(27:41):
Clearly,the years of hardship had done
some damage to Poe's psyche,so he started to hit
a bit of a hey, I'm upset,
which, you know, understandableconsidering the way
his life's gone.
The hardship didn't stop there.
As the theme of Poe's lifegoes, as in 1847,
the family would againbe hit with the death stick,
(28:02):
with his wife, Virginia
falling ill with and eventuallydying from tuberculosis.
TB yeah.
Or as they called it,back in the day, consumption.
Yes. For those that have heardthat in media in the past
and be like the healthconsumption.
Good example had Moulin Rouge.
Good example.
Nicole Kidman'scharacter has the consumption.
(28:22):
I think we had to talkabout that in one of Arabs TV.
Probably.
It seems this was becoming a,
theme in his life,with his mother
also dying from the disease
and with his apparentfamiliarity with death
and with the death of lovedones,
he seemed to move onquite quickly.
Just a year later, in 1848,Poe was talking to two women,
Sara Weightmanand Annie Richmond. Yay!
(28:46):
He Adobe. Player.
And admitting he loved both.
After a whilehe would propose to Weightman,
who would turn himdown, heartbroken
and after a life of painand struggle and loss,
Poe would attemptto take his own life
with an overdose of opiumpowder, unsuccessfully.
After recovering,Whitman would take her hand.
I would take a 180 and agreeto marry Poe
(29:08):
on the conditionthat he stayed sober.
Unfortunately, he could not,
and after learningthat he had been drinking,
Whitemanwould call off the engagement.
This guy can't catch a break,right?
The final mystery.
Oh, yeah,that's right. Because he's.
Yeah. Yep.
Yeah. That was the hookat the end of the.
The thing with Poe.
He said he can't just havea steady, easy life.
(29:31):
After his attempted suicide,he would move back to Richmond,
where he would reconnectwith his first love, Elmira.
She had been married
in the intervening yearsand unfortunately,
was now also a widow.
She was, however, loaded.
Oh, as her life had been
very well offbefore her husband's passing,
the two would hit it off againand fall in love
(29:52):
with Edgar, proposingto her and her accepting
joyed.
At this change of fortune,
Poe would write to his auntMaria Clem,
telling her of the engagement
and letting her knowthat he would be traveling
to New York to bring her backfor the wedding.
He would set off on a steamshipon September 27th
to head to Baltimoreto begin the journey,
but instead would headinto the foggy mists of Mystery.
(30:15):
Ship Sinks on no.
After arriving in Baltimoreon September 28th, Poe
would disappear for five days.
The cousins back,the cousins got him again.
That rubbed him the first timewhen he got there.
Well, maybe we'll find. Out.
Before reemerging.
On October 3rd,
he was found in a gutter outsidea tavern, deathly
ill, disheveledand unable to communicate.
(30:37):
He would be rushed to WashingtonCollege Hospital,
assumed to be drunk,and was brought to
a room designedfor recovering alcoholics.
He wouldnever recover full consciousness
and was never able to tellwhat had happened to him.
A doctor trading Poe, DoctorJohn Jay Moran, would write to
Maria Clem detailing Poe'sspeaking with spectral
and imaginaryobjects on the walls,
(30:58):
with a pale faceand drenched in sweat.
Poe would eventually die
on October 7th, agedjust 40 years old.
He was giventhe cause of death of,
for nights or brain swelling,
and was buried in an unmarkedgrave in a Baltimore graveyard.
There was no autopsy done,and without any word from Poe,
no official theoryof how he would died.
(31:20):
A sad end to a tortured life.
There aren't.
That is the strange ending.
And it leaves the question
(31:41):
what happenedduring those five days
between him stepping off the boa
There are a number of theoriesfor this one,
none of which can be the provenor disproven aliens.
Let's take a hit.
Number one. I don't know.
Alcohol poisoning?
Potentially the most obviouscause of death
would be alcohol poisoning.
(32:02):
Poe had struggledwith alcohol and addiction
throughout his life,and was even said
to have been on a benderbefore moving back to Richmond,
as we know, Sarah Whiteman hadeven called off their engagement
due to her due to his drinking,and he'd been found outside
of a tavern,which speaks to the theory,
according to his friends.
He also seemed to bea bit of a lightweight,
(32:23):
with stories of himbeing staggering drunk
after just a single glassof wine. What a charming.
It's likewatching what I'm saying.
Poke poke poke poke. One glass.
It'd be fun. Yeah.
Life's too short to haveto drink that much to get drunk.
One. Being a lostweight has changed a lot.
But yeah,that's why this expression.
Oh, these are cheap drunk.
(32:44):
Yeah, yeah,that's pretty good. Yeah.
We're in an economiccrisis, man.
Cost of living sucks.
Give me one, babyand hit me at the door.
Good. I keep raising the taxeson alcohol.
It just might as well bea. Cheap Aldi beer.
I'm sad.
It's also said that doctorsat the time were known to use,
for nitrous as a cover,polite cover for alcohol
(33:05):
related deaths.
So it's possiblethat the doctors at hospitals
suspected this as well.
Probably,according to Poe's biographer,
Poe had also had,
had an alcohol related illness,and his doctor
had told him thatanother binge would proof fatal.
Which biographer.
Can't rememberwhich one didn't write the name.
There's like 15 biographies of.
(33:25):
Yeah, yeah.
So I don't knowwhich one was it?
Cirrhosis.
He had become an active memberof the temperance movement
that eventually ledto prohibition.
If you remember that episode,go check it out.
Which backs up the claimthat he was struggling
with alcohol again.Perhaps he had a lapse
in Baltimorethat led to his demise.
(33:46):
So in the lastfew months of his life,
he was, like, activelypart of the temperance movement.
And then shows up
outside of tavern super sick.
Maybe that was abit of a falling off the wagon.
Are you going to talk abouthis biographers?
No. Okay, thencan I bring it up?
You may.
What I mean by which biographer.
(34:07):
So the most popular biographyand eulogy
and was that was written for himwas written by a fierce rival
that hated him
and was the first personto write about his death
and slandered himand called him a piece of crap.
And he published it under a fakename, just signed Ludwig.
Eventually it was found out,hey, it's
(34:27):
actually this Griswald guythat really hates him,
and he's hated him for, like,nearly ten years
and he's full of shit.
Poe did have a lot of enemies.
He had all the enemies.
But Griswald was like,now I hate this dude.
So as soon as he died, as, like,this has happened, he sucked.
He was a woman. Yeah.
And everyone went, oh, okay.
I kind of glossed over it,but he kept writing, like,
(34:47):
negative reviews of allthese other writers in New York.
Yeah, I really like.
To actually incorporateit really above all else.
Poet and critic.
Yeah.
He was a writingcritic, is a writing critic.
He basically wrote The Raven andthen was like, you know what?
Everyone elseis. Don't. Yeah, okay.
Well, it sounds likeeveryone else was dog.
Yeah. Do we rememberany of them? No, not.
(35:08):
Remember that Raven though.
So the second theory.
Election fraud.
Another theory isthat Poe was the victim of
a voterfraud scheme from the 1800s
where a person was kidnaped,drugged, disguised, assaulted
and forcedto vote multiple times
for a specificpolitical candidate.
The day he was foundhappened to be election day,
(35:29):
and the tavern he was found
outside was being usedas a polling station.
He was also found in ill fittingsecondhand clothes,
which lendscredence to the theory.
That beat him upso it doesn't look
the same to the peopledoing the voting. Yeah.
Oh yeah, change his clothes,make him go and vote again.
Because, like, he's obviouslynot going to want to do it.
So like all rightgive him a quick left right.
(35:49):
Good night then
send him back in.
They would also consideringhe was,
incoherent and seems drunk,
it's possiblehe was kidnaped shortly
after arriving in Baltimoreand then forced to drink
and or take drugsbefore being forced to vote.
Whilethere's no definitive evidence
to prove this theory,it certainly fits
with the evidencethat does exist.
(36:11):
Another thing I saw was thatit was commonplace at the time
for when you voted.
They would give you a drinkafterwards
to celebratethe fact you'd voted, you know.
So if he just keptbeing sent back in
now, probablylike he is another drink
and he's like, oh,I guess I have to. Oh,
so the 1800s democracy sausage,which is a democracy shot.
Whiskey. Yeah,but first he shot.
Let's bring that back.
(36:32):
Yeah, I'd do that.
Yeah.
Let's, you want people inthe polls, in the voting booth.
Especially in this country.Give him.
Yeah, have a beer waitingfor him after they give him up.
Yeah. Get rid of this democracy.Sausage. Rubbish microscope.
The last time I got a sausage,right.
Everyone keeps talking about it.
Yeah, I haven't seen oneI see. Yeah, five.
Not on my voting, not my pollingplace, which is a church.
(36:55):
Democracy morning.
Yeah. I'd placescriptures, juice.
Democracy,blood of Christ. Like.
Okay. Thank you for giving usthe blood of Christ.
Past the pulpit. Hell, yeah.
Man. Communion. I'll be back.
In a minute. At five.
Sure.
What's up with communion? Onceevery four years.
Good job.
But safe.
God loves people who vote.
(37:16):
Yeah, I'm so. Upset.
Repenting my sins.
Assaulted and left for dead.
This theory centers around Poe'sdisheveled appearance
when he was found, as wellas a location outside a tavern.
If he had been drinking,it's possible
he was an easy target for peopletrying to rob him,
or even just fighters outlooking for a target.
(37:37):
It's also theorized that, yeah,stick him up.
Yeah.
That's like how they useda box. Like. Yeah, yeah.
That's why. That's the.That's right.
Yeah. Yeah.
If you break breaking hint.Yeah.
It's also theorizedthat he was beaten
due to a run in with a woman.
In an 1867 biography, author IanSmith states,
at the instigation of a womanwho considered herself
(37:59):
injured by him,
Poe was cruelly beaten, blowupon blow, by a ruffian
who knew of no better modeof avenging supposed injuries.
It is well knownthat a brain fever followed.
Another author,
John Evangelist Walsh,evangelist is his middle name,
wrote in the year 2000that Elmira
Shelton's brothers, druggedand beat Poe to his death.
(38:22):
According to his book, herthree brothers had warned him
not to marry their sister,
and when he went aheadwith his journey
to fetch his aunt, they ambushedhim in Baltimore and beat him.
After going into hidingin second hand clothing.
The theory suggests that Poeattempted to escape back
to Richmond,
at which pointthe brothers caught up with him,
beat him, and drugged him withalcohol, leading to his death.
(38:42):
While there's no directevidence of this,
it certainlyis kind of compelling.
I just don't knowif that chased him.
Was the content like that?
I mean,it's like Richmond to Baltimore.
Yeah, he took a steamshipand it took one day.
It's not that far.
Yeah, it's not very far.
You remember that? Like, I feel.
Like 1800 people were lazy.
I don't think they wouldhave been that much effort.
(39:02):
If they also only had to travel,like 13 miles to get anywhere.
And that's a long way.
And it was the most of it backthen.
Back then.
Richmond to Richmond, Virginiato Baltimore is itself
still a bit of. Away. Yeah.
Yeah.
Brain tumor
despite being buried inan unmarked grave some 26 years
(39:23):
later, a grave marker was placedto honor his burial site.
Poe's grave was exhumedin order to move his body
to the new marker.
Apache'sskull was stolen as well, but.
There was a bird in the. Room.
Knock, knock.Knocking on the floor.
Chamber door, isn't it?
I don't know.
And while it was being assumed,the coffin disintegrated,
spilling Poe's bone, Poe's
(39:43):
bones and remaining bodygrew all over the ground.
When they werescooping up his body,
it was noted that a solid masswas found bouncing around
inside his skull.
Only to bring.
It was reportedat the time that this was Poe's
brain,all dried up and shriveled.
Modern medical expertshave posited that
(40:03):
the brain doesn't do that, buta soft tissue would decay away,
leaving the hard
tissue of a tumorthat would calcify and harden.
It's also possiblethat if Poe had a tumor,
it would explain his lowtolerance to alcohol
and could explainthe hallucinations
and poor stateat the end of his life. There.
It's also possible thata combination of these theories
is true, as none of themdisprove the others.
(40:27):
There are also other theories,including rabies,
carbon monoxide poisoningfrom gas lamps, syphilis,
or good old fashioned murder.
But again,none disprove the others
or have any conclusive evidenceto prove themselves.
I mean,considering this guy's track
record, I'm going to say, yeah,
it is a combination of theoryone, two and three mentioned.
Yeah,I think he had a brain tumor.
(40:47):
His brother,a future brother in law, was
giving him a bit of a rough upafter he's.
Calling one after.
He's gone on a bender.
Argument. See election one.
That's my one
legacy.
Regardless of the mechanicsof how he died,
Poe did die andleft a lasting legacy behind
the entire detective genre.
(41:07):
Well,well done with the sentence
structurethat. Yet regardless that
if he did die or Harry,did he die of hell?
He did. He did.
The heat.
200 years ago.
The entire detective genreowes itself
to Poe with his storyThe Murders in the Rue Morgue,
introducingthe first fictional detective.
(41:28):
Poe'sexplorations of madness, grief
and the supernatural influencedlater writers like H.P.
Lovecraft and Stephen King.
The Raven, of course,is his most memorable work,
with people foreverremembering it
from as his most influentialpoem.
Fans have set his poemsto music, and even The Simpsons
have brought some of his storiesto the small screen
(41:48):
with their Treehouse of Horrorseries.
Of most interest to us,though, is his legacy
in the football world,which I've already covered.
Because I have to.
Yes, and I won't again.
But yeah, the Baltimore Ravensactually a reference to.
Edgar Allennot playing tomorrow.
But we wantthe flightless cousins to win
(42:09):
the Eagles not quite lost.
Cousinsfighting cousins on a. Regular.
But regular bird.
Cousins the Eagles. Yes,but yes.
The Philadelphia Penguins.
Philadelphia.
It's the PhiladelphiaKiwis right.
But Philadelphia dodos.
Cassowaries I did database forno nothing exact.
They don't do anything.Like that did.
(42:31):
Yeah as well I expect they did.
And that is the story of Edgar
AllanPoe and his mysterious death.
What do you think Sean.
You love it.
I love it. Yeah Allan Poe. Yeah.
There are a lot of peoplein this life
that I considerto be the original IMO's.
(42:53):
Oh. Edgar AllanPoe is one of them.
Frederic Chopin is another one.
But I'm going to get to
him on another daybecause he is very funny.
The world would be like, oh,we might play it in my parlor.
And labor and leave me alone.
Anyway, I love Edgar Allan Poe.
I just think he's fantastic.
I love thatso much of what happened in
his life was completelyintentional.
(43:14):
Yeah, like
peopledying is the unfortunate stuff.
But everything elsethat happened was just.
It was by design. Yeah, right.
Like he joined the Army, liedabout his age, and he's like,
this isn't working.How do I get out of this?
I'm just going to tell themhow old I actually am.
And it's like, oh, okay, I'dlike to be honorably discharged.
(43:34):
I can't do that.
What if I make amendswith my dad?
Yeah. Okay,I'll sign off on that. Cool.
I handle this.
I'm going to go to West Point.This would be sick.
I don't want to do.
A West Point anymore,so I'm going to get in trouble.
And it's like, I'mgoing to get in trouble, cause.
He just didn't show upfor like a week.
And then it's like,I'm going to get found guilty.
And the way that the courtmartial system works is
if I plead guilty, though,
to slap me on the wrist,how do I get out of here?
(43:55):
Oh, I know that I'm guilty.Everybody knows.
And I'm just going to say I'mnot guilty.
And then they'll absolutelyboot me out.
Punk workedlike everything was by design.
He was a very smart man,
and he really knewwhat he was doing,
but he was never suitedfor any of these things.
He was a romantic man.
He was like a curiosity,like he'd come from adversity.
He was like, yeah, like I said,like I create an arm
(44:18):
of, like, the arts.Yeah, he's a big artist. Yeah.
He also feels so tangible
because, like,we've got a photo of him.
Yeah, we know whathe looked like a degree.
Our top.
Yeah. Okay.But whatever. It's a photo.
What was the thing I sentyou to the day that was like,
if these things happenedat the same time that you just.
Yeah. Should.
Yeah, I'd love that stuff.
For those that are very curiousabout what.
(44:40):
He's about to go film nerd.
But what a DiCaprio type is,is actually really fascinating.
It's an early formof photography that was,
very quickly become obsoleteeven by the 1850s.
I was obviously.
But sometimes you seethese old pictures of like,
really old peopleand you're like, now, surely
they didn't have a photo backthen.
We knowthe first photo of a human
was taken in Francein the 18 late 1800s.
Have we got a pictureof Abraham Lincoln?
(45:01):
They had like sheets of silver
that would polish itto a mirror, shine,
and then like,and smoke it with some stuff
that made itchemically like sensitive.
And then there were just like
and like put a camerain front of it
and like, expose itfor as long as necessary.
And it worked similarly to filmthe like
the doctorate is the longerit needed.
And then then shut it off.
And then when you look at it,depending on what angle
(45:22):
you look at it, it'seither a negative or a positive.
It's actuallyreally interesting.
And when you look at it,the karyotype, when you say
it looks like a photo,like they scan it,
what you're looking at
the doc sections,that's actually mirrored silver.
And then the lighter sections
are actually whereall the chemicals really.
It's fascinating.It's very, very interesting.
Pretty similar
to that guy that you send meevery so often that does like
light photography.
(45:45):
Yeah, it's pretty much yeah.
It's pretty much wet platephotography.
It's it's really interesting.
But yeah,like we know what he look like.
Yeah.
These places that he lived,you can still real places.
He's I think three of his housesstill exist.
It's Richmond,New York and Baltimore. Yeah.
Philadelphia.
Philadelphia. Yeah.
Yeah. Richmond.
Is it Richmond?Philadelphia. Baltimore.
(46:07):
Doesn't matter.
There's three of his houses.
He can go visit the.Bronx, Philadelphia.
And then I thinkthere's one in Baltimore.
There's not Richmond.
And like,his work is still relevant now.
Like Stephen King'sstill writing books.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, there's a lotof a tangibility about him.
And he did so muchdifferent stuff.
Like his most
famous work is effectivelyGothic poetry and storytelling.
(46:29):
But he also wrote like,satirical stuff.
He was kind of fascinatedwith like the pseudo sciences
and often wrote thingsabout phrenology,
you know, the study of the witchis now it's debunked.
But like they thought
that the bumps in your skullcould determine
mental states, illnessesand things like that
and like your personalitytraits. Phrenology.
Common thing.
(46:49):
Like he didlots of different stuff.
He was justhe was a curious mind.
He was a thinker. Yeah.
He's a fascinating man.
I feel like you'vemoved out of shop by the way.
I haven't moved the microphone.
I was just tryingnot to make a joke of it.
Here we can see the bumpson his head, but nobody else.
I got a freaky shaped head.
As a pole jerk.
Yeah, I know it was.
(47:11):
Yeah. Low hanging fruit.
Love Edgar AllanPoe. Fascinating man.
Hilarious like personto sort of poke fun at.
Yeah.
He's cool.
Yeah, but there's something coolabout him. Yeah.
Which is the most funbit about it.
I'd love to have a pot with him.
Not a pint,because he'd probably die.
Well, he could just havesome tepid water.
Yeah. He would.
(47:32):
You like a small glassof sherry, sir?
Very small.
Yeah, but that's Allan Poe.
Yes. Glad you enjoyed. It.
Name's Edgar. Edgar?
Yeah.
And that's,that's this week. Done.
If you would like
some supplemental content,including a picture of Edgar
Allan Poe,
(47:52):
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If you are. Yep. At Cheetos pod.
If you are listeningto the audio version
of this podcast, you can hit usup at YouTube at G equals pod.
And you can, if you're watchingthe YouTube video,
find us anywhere that you listento podcasts.
(48:14):
Some here. Yo.
Yeah, get us in there.
Or your eyes. Whichever one,
do the oppositeof what you're currently doing.
Try it out.
We will be backin another fortnight,
with somebody's episode.
Probably yours.
And we hope to hear you.
We hope that you hear us. Then.
It's been awhile since I've done a wrap up.
(48:35):
I don't know what I'mdoing anymore. Yeah. Good night.
If you, a listenerthat has a small business
in any form, we take sponsorshipas low as $10,
and we will speak aboutyour business on the episode.
We will do that. We will do.That. We're not afraid to sell.
A little is $10.
Like, if you're a big companylike Squarespace,
sorry, gold, buy it only.
(48:56):
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we'll take sponsorshipfrom those ten bucks.
We want to help our friends.You know what?
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So that's KFC both in your code.
Actually got a lot offree coverage tonight for free.
So youneed to pay us in we things.
(49:17):
And I will not
acceptseven copies of my own book.
Which is seven copiesof our own podcast
series.
What do I do with these, anyway?
I think it's time to wrap up,but good point, Sean.
We are happy to sell out.
So it's not selling out.
It's legitimizing.
Yeah, actually good point.
Yeah it is legitimizing.Yeah, yeah.
(49:39):
Come on manscaped.
Anyway, Cardi Monetizes if wemonetize ourselves come on.
Nvidia can't be demonetizedif we were never monetized.
AnywayI'll just shout now to Nvidia.
Just get it for you. Stop.
Just talk us through the floorat the moment like.
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You need you need this podcast.
You climbed hardand you got boned.
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