A plot so bad they celebrate it for centuries - Guy Fawkes and the Gunpowder Plot

Have you ever had a plan go so spectacularly wrong that you were still hearing about it centuries later? And even worse, they celebrate it by using the very thing you were trying to use? Join us this week as John takes Aaron and Sean through the tale of Guy Fawkes and the Gunpowder plot, on it's 419th anniversary. Find the video version on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/@CheekyTalesPod

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Episode Transcript

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November 5th.
The daythis podcast is released on.
What is thesignificance of that date
for us in Australia?
Well, today the race that stopsthe nation will be held
or has been held.
The Melbourne Cup.
But it doesn't always land
on this date,
as it's traditionally held onthe second Tuesday of November.
So what's the gowith November 5th?

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Well,it's a date 419 years ago
that a guy was caught red handeddoing something really dumb
and somehow got his nameetched into history.
Welcome to the CheekyTale
of Guy Fawkes.

(00:47):
I'm upset about the horseracing reference.
I'm excited to talk about GuyFawkes.
Okay,welcome to this, episode 88.
I was really glad.Yeah, that was really loud.
Episode 88
back to the future reference.
Gotta go. 88 episodes for.
That's a
it's a thing.

(01:07):
I just I always reference so 88.
All the numbers of 88must mean it.
Back to the future. 58of course.
Now back to the future episode.
We've already done the futureepisode.
So, let's,
What's been happening?
So, what's been happening,fellas?
Well, we've been outtoday, haven't we? We have?
Yeah. What have we been doing?

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We've been so shopping. Yep.
Just a bunch of classy men.
Puppy funeral,a couple of funerals coming up.
It's my wedding.
What we're doing.
I don't know
how much personal lifefor including in this preamble.
Why would we talkabout the suits
and then not talk about why?
I'm surprisedwe talked about suits.
All right, well, okay, well,we've been behaving a bit,

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so we're a little bit giggle.We're a little giggly. I don't.
Yes, we did have a very.
Sweaty boy.
John has not beenhaving a bit of.
I discoveredI was not allergic to shellfish.
That was a good win.
I'm glad we didn'tkill you at lunch.
Yeah, that was a good win.
Look, I could have taken a turn.
That could have gonepretty badly,
but I'm glad it didn't.

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What else have we got on?
I've been two weeks. Really?
Since the dawn of time.
Not much.
But I'm on one.Of a couple hailstorms.
Oh, that. That's a big storm.It was pretty hectic.
Yeah. Yeah.
I have not heard properhail as an adult.
I realized I was like,what the hell's that noise?
I didn't know it was hail.
And would have beenthe first time even had it. Yes.

(02:33):
Yeah. We've had some P.
As got a tin roof and yeah,that makes a difference.
Yeah. There's a tin roof.It sounds. Yeah. You're like
like a tall roof.
It's done to the noise.
But when you go,oh no. This is tile.
I don't know whyI said it was tin.
Yeah. It's tile.
It was the back patio.
Being like that has a tin roof.
That's just like as well.
What is going on?
Yeah, it's not tin out there,but it's tin on the shed.

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So I could hear on the shedmore than I could hear it. Yeah.
Having lived out of south
east Queensland for a while,I haven't heard hail for a bit.
Townsvilledoesn't get a lot of hail.
I imagine.What's your wife was saying?
She's never heard hail? No.Like that.
Alice doesn't get hail.
Alice Springs doesn't get hail.
It rains
twice a year.
Maybe in that.

(03:17):
Yeah, 300plus cloudless days a year.
Yeah, that's too many.
I remember a couple of years ago
that had that really big onethat went through Greenbank.
You got a couple of oh.Yeah, not. Live out there.
And then just sending the photosof their pool.
Yeah.
With like splashesthat are like coming up
like a meterand a half out of the pool
because the high was that large.Yeah.
Just ridiculous.

(03:38):
Last decent sizedhail that I can remember.
Would have been when Ilived in the house in Rice View,
which was only for a smallwindow of time, maybe 1998.
So that's the last decent sizedhail that I can remember.
Well, one the ones you had herethe other day
that was I would saythat was decent size. Yeah.
It was like 20.

(03:58):
Ten cent queen. Tyson. Yeah.
At the barber shopwe had like 50 cent coin cases.
Let's take our crossroads.That's.
Yeah. Car damaging sizetire. Yeah.
Well every carexcept for the two people that
parked on the cover, every carthat was outside got damaged.
And by the two people,
one of them was a motorcycle,and it was mine.
That was because I put my helmeton, ran out
side, wheeled it underthe under the awning.

(04:19):
I had my place,but it was pixel size too small.
Yeah, not damaging at all.
Not only did it like hailpretty heavily in Morningside,
but then the wind cameall at once.
The wind is what got me.
It was very windy.
That was the strongest wind
I think we've hadfor a long time as well.
It was so much wind that it wasblowing stuff under the patio
and it was coming outthe other side.
It was bouncing underand coming out.

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It pushed enough windthrough the front, all that.
It blew a bunch of stuff offthe shelf in the barber shop.
Yeah, well, yeah,
I had to, put a tailon my front door
because the wind was blowingrain under the door as well.
Crazy, wild.
And Ithink there's more to come.
We're not even reallyin the storm season. Yeah.
Not fully.No other months to go.
Yeah. Oh.

(05:00):
All right.
So we moving on to the topic.
Yeah. The shy cool.
Guy Fox as you called him. Yeah.
Guy Fawkes.
Oh I think he saidFox in the sky.
So pronounce it as Guy Fox.
It's like redefines.
What a different.
Name is Ralph Fons.
But it's pronounced.

(05:22):
Good. One boy.
Up. They gotta love it all up.
So we're going to have we'regoing to look at a few things.
In this episode, the main GuyFawkes, the myth, the incident
that etched his nameinto history
and the legacy of that man.
Yeah. Cool.
So a man myth legend. Go.

(05:42):
We'll start with Knight.
Main incident. Legend.
Explain that.
He's mad.
Now hide behind my pop filter.
We'll start with the main.
Guy Fawkes was bornin 1570, in York, England, and
was the second of four childrento Edward and Edith Fawkes.

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That's a while ago.
Guy's parents were regularsat the Church of England,
and his mother, solid, remainedloyal to the Catholic Church.
If you remember our Henrythe eighth episode,
there was a bit of dramabetween the Catholics and the
newly formed Protestant church,and this time,
and we willget into that later on.
When Guy was eight years old,his father passed away right.

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Which we've donea lot of episodes where.
People's dads died early, very.
Early on.
Average lifeexpectancy was like 40 years.
His mother several years later,remarried a Catholic.
It was at this time,through the new extended family
or through attendingSaint Peter's School
in Cork,that GAA became a Catholic.

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After leaving school, GAA
entered the service of AnthonyBraham, first Viscount Montague.
They always have such funtitles.
Yeah, I tried looking that up.
Sean, do I have a quick searchof what Viscount Montague.
Is the Viscount.
Like?
Is it Viscount?
Is itI can't yes, I can't Montague.
The Viscount took a dislikingto Guy and soon dismissed him.

(07:09):
However,he was subsequently employed
by Anthony Maria Brown,second Viscount Montague,
which I think it saidsomething along that
he was the grandson of the firstbarking at Montague,
and succeeded himwhen he was just 18.
So right, so middle age.

(07:30):
What is the titlewe talking about?
Would this the firstand second Viscount Montague?
So the first, the first ViscountMontague, Anthony Brown,
an English
major in the Tudor period,
the staunch Roman Catholic,unswervingly loyal to the Crown,
deployed on diplomatic missionsto the Pope in Rome and Spain
and was highly stained for hisprudence of wisdom, apparently.

(07:51):
So what was. What was he?
What was this whole thing?
Yeah. Seems to just be Sean.
You know what it is?
You microphone's backward.
What do you mean?
There's a little gold doton the other side, isn't there?
Yes. This is starting.
To loosen the bottom.

(08:11):
There's a sign in you.
Mightjust have to mute his track, but
keep that in that gold.
It's about to get loud.
A bit.
But. Oh my goodness,that sounds so much better.
It's about to stay in
the past.

(08:33):
Oh, yeah,that does have to stay in.
There's no way I can editthat out with ten minutes in.
But just that's going to explainwhy it sounds so different.
It's just,
yeah.
In the cut, I want the zoom inon our, Sean's face right there.

(08:54):
Just the slope.
I mean, I have.
A lot of I have a lotof comments on this,
namely, get.
High.
Are you too loud now?No, I'm fine now.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
I know it'll be really nice.
A better microphone, actually.
I like our better microphone
because you can't work outwhich side to look at.

(09:15):
No. Just use it at 50.
Just better ingeneral would be nice.
So I could,you know, see my iPad.
I'll see you in there. Like Seansounds really thin.
Like,why can't I like deep bass?
He really heavesbetter, doesn't it?
Yeah. No, no,I like the backwards mark.
He likes back the microphone.Sean. Yeah.
Red scare Sean.
Because you were hearing his

(09:35):
actual voicethrough your headphones. Yeah.
You. But listen anyway.
I'm upset about this.
What is the Viscount Montague?
He seems to be employed to dodiplomatic missions.
Now that we can all hearyou say the basics.
He seems to be employed to dodiplomatic missions.
Two, it says to the pope in Romeand into Spain.

(09:57):
So basically,he's like a diplomat.
He's a diplomat between
the queen,the monarch and the Pope.
For some, for some reason.
Yeah. Okay.
So Gordon went onand had a stint in the military
in October of 1591.
So when he was 21 years old,
he sold his father's estatethat he had inherited,

(10:19):
shipped on over to Europeto fight in the 80 Years War
for Catholic Spainagainst the new republic.
The 80 Years War.
The Dutch Revolt was an armedconflict
in Habsburg in the Netherlands,just between disparate
groups of rebelsand the Spanish government.
The cause of the war included
reformation, centralization,excessive taxation on the rights

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and privileges of theDutch nobility and cities,
and it lost.
It's a very confusing statementabout how long it goes for you.
I don't think it's 80s.
No, they never are. Well,so the.
Hundred Years War lasted6.5 hours.
Yeah.
So, guyfought for roughly three years.

(11:02):
15 minutes.
Yeah.
One 1595 until the peaceof the winds in 1598,
England wasn't
technically involvedin any land engagements
with Spain at the time,
but the two countrieswere still at war,
fresh in everyone'smind was the attempted
Spanish invasion of Englandjust five years prior.

(11:23):
So they they were also England
and Spain were also at war,
but their actual engagementswere on and off topic thing.
They it wasn't a constantbattle going on.
I think there were still somenaval skirmishes that broke out.
Right.
They justwhen they bumped into each other
when they were,you know, colonizing. Yeah.
So I think, hey.
Wasn't a dig. That was fact.

(11:45):
This would be at the time.
So like the black flag was
that you'd have the Englishand Spanish crews got there.
Talking aboutAssassin's Creed Black Flag,
the video game video.
Game.
Guy fought under SirWilliam Stanley in England.
An English Catholic veterancommander in his mid 40s,
Stanley was well-regardedby Elizabeth, the first,

(12:06):
who was the current
monarch.
Big Lucy.
That was until he surrenderedto the Spanish in 1597,
and he made his troopsswitch sides to fight for Spain.
Espanol.
So yeah, he was a pretty,
pretty good commanderuntil he kind of quit. So
yeah, he was really good untilhe decided he decided to be,

(12:28):
a dog.
Dog guy became an Alpha. Is,
which I think is just Spanishfor, like, a junior officer.
Yes, lieutenant. Basically.
And fought in the siege of Parisin 15 the 1956.
Calais. Calais in 1956.
And by 1603 had beenrecommended for captaincy.

(12:49):
My little stuff up where I just
said, well,I'm actually gonna read in 1956.
I didn't stuff up writing it,but it's 1596.
I noticed in your episodelast week
and I was listening back to you,you swapped back and forth
all the timebetween like 1895 and 1985.
You were doing thatquite frequently.
That people get the gist. Yeah.
1980.
Five Springsteen.

(13:13):
Hey, before of,
there was YouTubeand van de music still on MTV.
Her two kids in high school,they tell her that she's uncool,
but she still preoccupies.
19 to at 19 to 1985.
Are you paying the royaltiesthis episode?
Never to which bandI saw 71 or balling for.

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So yeah, let them fight it.Let them fight it out.
They're the ones that covet eachother's damn song or dance.
So that year,
1603, he traveled to Spainto seek the support
for a Catholicrebellion in England.
He was also at this timeadopted the Italian version
of his name.
Guido.
Guido, I have a Guido.

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What is a Guido?
Well it's guy.
Okay. You love, you love a guy.
I wouldn't,I would love the homies.
That's what.
God had developed an issuewith the new King of England.
To explain to me what you think.
A Guido is a it's a great name.
It's a very derogatory term.
Sure, but it's his name.

(14:20):
It was a nickname.
So it's a name.
All I'm hearing is racism.
From showing.
The racism. From you.
It's a guy.
I had developed an issuewith the new king of England,
James the First.
He was actually Jamesthe fourth King of Scotland.
Cool. So.

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But when he became,when he came into rule,
England and Ireland,he became James the first
guy labeled him a
heretic, thinkingKing James would drive
all the Catholicsout of England.
And it seemed he just wasn'tfond of Scotland either.
Didn'the didn't like Scottish people.
King Philip preferred.
The Scots so hated.

(15:01):
I don't. Know why the.
MaybeI actually don't want to know.
No, it's not that the Scotsare hated, it's that it's.
You're talking aboutlike a region
where they were vastly distinctfrom everybody else.
And then all of a suddenit's just like, now you can be
part of the United Kingdom,but we're not really going to do
that much.
We're just going to saythat you're part of the United
Kingdom, and then when they go,okay, well, we want this.

(15:22):
It's like not kind of that.
Yeah, but you saidwe're part of your kingdom.
I kind of that. Yeah.
But you said we can't have.
You saidwe can't have our own King.
Yeah. We kind of that.
Okay. Well, what can we have?
But you have togive us all of your, your wool.
And that's like,
okay, you can't have loads.

(15:43):
We're just going to keep that.
It's a mess.
This this ours.Now you remember the James.
The first was the first kingof the United Kingdom.
Yes. The first king of England.
Scotland. Wales. Yeah.
Which is why he's Jamesthe first, not James the fourth.
Do you mean the first? Yeah,
but he's still, you.
Know, he's still,referencing history.
Is James the fourth? Yes.

(16:04):
James first. Yes.
King Philipthe third of Spain did receive
God into his court politely,but he was ultimately unwilling
to offer God any support.
So what was the incidentthat left Guy Fawkes
caught withhis hand in the cookie jar?
Is this when hewas trying to blow something up?

(16:25):
It was the gunpowder.
Yeah that's it.
Now I did mention earlierthere were some serious
religious tensions in Englandand over the past decades, Roman
Catholics were forced to pledgeallegiance to the Crown
as the head of the church, underthreat of torture and death.
Jace.
And there was an ongoing issuelike, like I say,

(16:46):
if you remember back to Henrythe eighth one where he split.
He split him. He's like,you know what?
I want to behead my wife.And they said, that's I.
Want to divorce my. Wife.Oh, yeah?
You think he just wanteda divorce?
He wanted her head gone.
I mean, a means to an end.
Yes, butwhat he wanted was divorce.
Then he end up splitting.
I want to go pork that girl.

(17:06):
Yeah, well, that's what it was.
You're not splitting the Church
of Englandand the Catholic Church,
and put himselfas the head of the church
instead of the Popegetting that right.
And that caused issuesfurther on with his successor,
which was Elizabeth first.
And now James the first.
Lizbeth.

(17:27):
James the first stancewas more moderate
than Elizabeth, and Henrymaybe even turned,
statingthat he would not persecute
any that would be quiet
and give an outwardobedience to the law.
I'm like, don't make a fuss.
I don't care.
He also believedzeal was a better solution
than capital punishment,

(17:48):
stating,also, he'd be glad to have both
their bodies and headsseparated from this whole island
and transported beyond the seas.
Right? Oh, so off to Australia.
Well, yeah.
Mainland. England,
But mainland Europe. Right?
Okay. So 200 years before.
Right? Yeah.
Was the US around at this point?
No. Wasn't a cult like that.

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Some Nordic peoplehad seen it, but it really.
All the US was like the 1700s.
Yes. Yeah.
But it same.
The damage was already doneby James's predecessors
and the Catholics in Englanddidn't trust him
and they wanted himout of the picture.
Before the Gunpowder Plot,there were two other attempts,
the by plot, which two priestsplan to kidnap the king.

(18:31):
How do you mean?
The terror of London,until he agreed to be more
tolerant towards Catholics.
And the second wasthe main plot.
The plan was to remove the king
and supplant him with his cousinArabella Stuart.
The architects of these plotswere arrested and trialed,
with one man being executedfor his participation,
but the remindersthey were pardoned by the king.

(18:53):
While waiting on the scaffold,
the two priestsI mentioned earlier,
they were also prettypersonally executed, so
it was
said thatJames didn't want to start his
reign and watch it.
So yeah, he made an example.
I don't like thethe head of them. Yeah.
The head leader.
And then while the otherswere like on there

(19:14):
with the noose around the neck,right
under the skin, like,what a gracious king, you know.
So what a hero.
What a hero.I declare they should die.
Maybe not.
The naming of the plotand the main plot is because
they were both,like, tried at the same time.
The boy
plot was remaining second,and then the main plot being.

(19:37):
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Okay.
Now there is a bunch of stuffhere between
the two earlier failed plotsand the gunpowder, where
a ship of people in England werebeing charged and fined with
recursion.
What's that word?
Recursion. See, I have no idea.
We talked about. It's.
I think it's recursion.See where?

(19:57):
It just meansthat the Catholic people
who refused to acknowledgethe crowns,
the head of the church,
and they were also being finedlike being issued weekly fines
for not going to church.
Oh, okay.
Right. So.
I think that the recursion
is just the legal termfor ongoing.
Fine.
It's the Latin wordfrom the Latin word to refuse

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was the state of those
who remained loyalto the Catholic Church
and refused to attend the Churchof England services.
After England's reformationunder a Protestant king.
Right. Okay.
So so it was a term specificallyabout this. Yes.
Yeah.
After the not the 1558until then.
Yeah.
We're curiousto see your results
and see acts passedin the reign of Elizabeth.
The first temporary repealed inthe I can't pronounce that word

(20:43):
remained on the statute booksuntil 1888.
They imposed punishmentssuch as fines, property
confiscation and imprisonmenton requests for substance.
Not sure the suspensionunder Oliver Cromwell
Oliver Cromwell
okay was mainly intendedto give relief
to non-conforming Protestantsrather than to Catholics,
to whom some restrictionrestrictions also applied.
In the 1920s.

(21:04):
And I was reading somethinglike it was like
20 pound or whateverthat we used at the time a week.
Which that's a lot of moneyto be quite a bit.
Yeah. Wow.
In some cases,
in some cases,
those adhering to Catholicismfaced capital punishment
and some English and Welsh
Welsh Catholics were executedin the 16th and 17th centuries,
have been canonizedby the Catholic Church

(21:26):
as martyrsof the English Reformation.
We're going gonna I'm goingto get into a bunch of names,
later of people who wereinvolved in the Gunpowder Plot.
It's kind of go into whythey're included,
but they were a lot of the threethreat were
that they were just helpingCatholic priests, not rot

(21:46):
and like practicing secret andstuff like that and taking in.
Right.
Like Roman Catholics and like
fighting them.
It kind of when I was writing itkind of
gave me the same vibe is likewe did hear
about the Jewish peoplein, in Germany, like people
calling them stuff like thatwas it felt same.
Very similar.

(22:06):
Yeah.
I mean, it'sprobably a three thread
of a lot of persecution stories.
So what also grew more animosityin England at this time
is that James only had
Scottish noblesto collect those from France, so
sort of Scottish peoplenot being held high regard.
And then all of a sudden
all these abilitieswere coming in
and taking the money of theseforeign just again like, yeah.

(22:30):
What a system.
Like where I'm like,hey, rich guy,
can you take fines off all thesepoor people?
Okay.
Well,a lot of the people being fined
were also rich
and they, like,coffers were getting drained
by these weekly finesbecause they didn't want to,
so in March19th, the king gave a speech
where he spoke of his desireto secure peace.

(22:51):
But only by profession,of the true religion.
And he reiterated
that he had a desireto avoid religious persecution.
But for the Catholics,the king's speech
was pretty clear
don't increase your numberor strength in his kingdom.
Right.
So you had a like a good outwardfacing
speech, but.
The internally, it was like a.

(23:13):
The Catholics could readbetween the lines like,
okay, we yeah, we do anymorewhat we're going to get.
Yeah.
So the Gunpowder Plot.
It's my bang.
It's my name, kill King James,
but also killmany other important targets,
such as the monarch'snearest relatives,
members of the Privy Council,senior judges of the English

(23:34):
legal team,
most of the Protestantaristocracy,
the bishops of the Churchof England,
as well as membersof the House of Commons.
So the bishops of the Churchof England were kind of like
in like government termsnow, like the the upper house
and then the church
and the House of Commonswere like the lower house.
So you've got like the higherranking ranking officials.

(23:56):
And also I wonder if, like
the Privy Councilis that like with the term Privy
Council, like, are you privyto this information?
It was kind of like a people.
Privy is also a slang termfor a toilet
private space.
Well, I think in this term it'smeaning like a group of people
that's going to. Go to the privyover there. Yeah.
The king could confide inand get advice from.

(24:18):
Is this the same King Jamesas the Bible?
I don't know,that's a good question.
It would.
What. Like the King James Bible.
King JamesVersion, like. The King James
would.
Edition.
Yeah.
Translation. That's the one.
It sounds like it.Because this is the English.
It seems about the rightsort of.

(24:39):
Yeah.
The KingJames Version of the Bible,
also known as the King
James Bible, is an early modernEnglish
translationof the Christian Bible
for the Church of Englandspecifically,
which was commissioned in 1604and published in 1611
by the sponsorship of King Jamesthe Sixth and first.
There you go.
Okay, if you ever heard Bibleverses read in like a super old

(24:59):
timey, like formal English,that's the King James Version.
The 80 books of KingJames Version
include the 39 booksof the Old Testament,
14 books of the Apocrypha,and the 27 books
of the New Testament,noted for its majesty of style,
the King James Versionhas been described as one
of the most important books
in English culture,and a driving force
in the shaping of the Englishspeaking world.

(25:19):
The King James Version remainsthe preferred translation
of many Protestant Christians,and is considered
the only valid oneby some evangelicals.
It is consideredone of the more important
literary accomplishmentsof early modern England.
There you go.
Yeah.
Good pick up. Good input.
Done.
Right.
Question.

(25:54):
Another importantI'm not only was to kill
all those people,it was to kidnap James daughter.
Yeah. Elizabeth. Okay.
Once the kingand the others were dead,
she would be installedas the Queen.
Not Elizabeth
as we know her.
Queen Elizabeth, this isPrincess Elizabeth of Spain.
Right?

(26:15):
There's only been two.
Queen Elizabeth, right? Reign.Elizabeth.
We had a couple of years ago.
And then just mother was.
Yes, Queen Elizabeth the first.
This is ElizabethStuart of Bohemia.
She was Queen of Bohemia. Sorry.
She was a Stuart of Spain. Yeah,she was a Stuart.
James's sons.
Yeah. Two.
Their fate was to be improvised.
So I don't knowif that was a nice way of

(26:37):
or not.
Well, it's, it's like,
do you think any of themor do we keep them alive?
Work that out later.
I guess it kind of depends onhow they would react as well.
Like if they were to fight.I mean, get rid of them
if they were like,okay, whatever.
Like in around.
So this
if this was a movie.
Yeah.

(26:57):
This is the part
where the recruitment montagewould happen.
Son of a bitch.
On and.
We've got all this going on.
Well done cheeky boys.We we did that.
Well we got a King's head.We need to take.
Robert Kates B.
Yeah.
Kate B okay. To be
the brains of the operationset out to acquire his team.

(27:19):
KSB had previously been involvedin the Essex Rebellion
against Queen Elizabeth.
He was wounded and captured,
but was spared executionand fined 4000 bucks instead.
German marks.
I wasn't sure.
Okay.
KSB reached out to the third
asking Spain to invade England,but was denied.

(27:41):
However,he did send Thomas Wintour
Wintour as emissary.
The next recruit wasJohn Wright,
who was said to bethe best swordsman of his day.
He was also a part of the EssexRebellion.
That's going to be a continuingtheme of Essex rebellion.
Mark is a pretty commoncurrency.
It's actually still in use inBosnia and Herzegovina, right?

(28:05):
So but it doescome from the German word.
So the mark was a currency of
unit or an accountin many states.
It is named for the markunit of white.
The word mark comesfrom the merging of three
Germanic words, Latinizedin the ninth century post
Classical Latin as markerMarsha, maha or Marcus.
No unit of white.
But yes, the DeutscheMark is the most common one

(28:28):
that we're aware of.
Pre Euro.
You just talk another guy?
Sure. Yeah.
Thanks. Thanks. Put
just trying to sort out that,that background with.
Sorry if there's backgroundnoise in this episode.
It's, it's called atmosphere.
Atmospherics.

(28:49):
Where white boy.
Or white
hair.
I get your feet out of the show.
Let's go.
Let's go,
Let's go. Oh, my.
Every quarterback in the NFL.
Every American person ever.
Every person under 25. Yeah.
So Winter traveled
to northern Belgium to againinquire about Spanish support.

(29:12):
This is where he sought out GuyFawkes.
Why was he sold out?
But remember, Fawkes
had also asked the Spanish kingto invade England.
Guys, swords. Yeah.
Nice one. Another one.
So he the
the rumor mill got out thatthis other guy was asking for
Spanish help. Yeah.
So they were like,well, let's get him.
He's obviously he's on the team.

(29:34):
Yeah.
Where was he at this point?
He was sporting in
that Belgium area for Spain.
Okay.
With this revolutionand the Dutch revolt.
Yeah. Just not Belgium.
But yeah, they revolted.All right,
let's not get into that.
It's it's really too.It's way too complicated.
Why? I left it there.
Okay.
It's too hot.

(29:54):
Dutch mad. It again,it was a Catholic
Protestant thing, right?
We don't have oceans that bordera countries.
We just fight all the time.
Yeah, it was Catholics.Spain, Protestant.
Yeah. Dutch.
It's it's a bedroom of peoplesharing with it all
that like each other's opinions.
There was beef in each otherall the time. Cool.
Yeah.
The growing group,which also included

(30:15):
John Wright's brotherChristopher.
They returned to England in lateApril of 1604,
and anotherman, Thomas Percy, was,
where he was Kate's boyfriendand right brother in law.
He was introducedinto the conspiracy.
The initial meetingof the five conspiracy
conspiratorstook place on May 20th, 1604,

(30:35):
most likely at the Duck andDrake in just off the strand.
That's a great night.
Duck and.
Drake the duck,the duck and Drake.
The strand commonly referred towith the leading, the
but formerly
without known as strand,is a magistrate
in the city of Westminster,central London.
The street, which is part ofLondon's West End
Theatreland, runs just over1.2km from Trafalgar Square

(30:57):
eastwards to Temple Bar,where it becomes Fleet Street
in the City of Londonand is part of the A4,
a main roadrunning west to inner London.
There's also is also a redtile in monopoly.
There you go.
Yep, it'salso a location in Townsville.
That's the name of the strip
that it's naming the beachin Townsville. It's the strand.

(31:17):
Yes, very similar locationI remember.
I remember that from your tour.
You took. Me. Yes.
Oh that's right,the initial two.
I still tell people about that.
That's one of the mostembarrassing moments of my life.
What if we're going to see JTwhile we're here?
Jonathan,first in the football player.
John you are not going to sayJonathan first.
Do you know how.

(31:38):
Welcome back to Take Tales.
Due to technical difficultieswhere we lost
an hour and ten minutesof extremely funny
jam. Well, we lost.
Extremely funny banter thatwe would never, ever get, but.
We'll never get back ontimely ad lib.
There was a horse.It was hilarious.
It was a horse.
Walk through with cheese. Yeah,with no shirt on.

(32:00):
It was amazing.I had to drop his.
We might have come upwith an answer.
We come up with an entire planto restructure the parliament
of the United Kingdom.
We fixed England.
Yeah,we brought it back to the, Yeah.
Aaron and Bray got marriedand divorced in preparation
for their marriage.
In general, Eric just.Had to practice everything.
We had to practice everything.

(32:21):
And and because
John and I are actually ordained
as ministers,but as one combined entity.
We got our ordains bishops.
Together, but together
so that we have todo the ceremony together anyway,
so that if.
We were going to record itas a podcast. Yes.
After all, after all that,we have to go back.
So, bringing itback to the Jonathan Thurston
story, in that time we metJonathan Thurston.

(32:43):
He. Hey,actually stopped cheesy.
I don't know. What it's like.
That video. Chad Smithwasn't that guy.
Trump jet. He'sbeen waiting at the door
the whole timesmiling like this.
Yeah.
JT actually becamepart of the podcast
for multiple episodesand we have lost all of that.
Aaron looks so stressed.It's really difficult.
Would you like to check that?Also, we started this last year.
It's actually now 2024.

(33:04):
This started
this was supposed to be November12th November 5th, 2023.
Check the cameras are recording.
I should do that. Yeah.All right.
Sean Ad-Lib make noise.
Noise. Continue the adlib.
I've already now taken the backstory back 12 months.
Ago with the JT story.
Oh, okay.
This twice in the last yearand a half.
Well, of course, the JT story

(33:24):
started with the factthat we all came up
to watch the Broncos gameand it was absolutely fantastic.
So. Oh no, don't touch that.
Okay.
So we took a trip to Townsvilleto for the Broncos.
Yeah. The Broncos Cowboys game.We were living in Tampa.
I was living in Townsville.
It was really convenientbecause it's a very.

(33:44):
You're recording
this episode is fraughtwith technical failures.
What we're hearing iswe need a sponsor
I think we should reach out to.
Did you direct is our sponsor.
They can provide us withtechnical equipment, technical
advice, quality, qualityfilm production as well.
Anyway, that. Might be my bad.
I forgot to hit record once.I said. Yeah.

(34:07):
Anyway, anyway,so Johnathan Thurston.
So we were all in Townsvilleto watch.
Where we had the tour.
You took me on the tour.Take a look.
As I got up there before iron,I was working the beef week.
Week beef 2021. 2021.
Yeah,I saw some chaos. And chaos.
Once we all convened.
We had to pick upyour lovely wash.
We had to pick up my wife.
What a nightmare of logisticsfor you. By the way.

(34:29):
I had a. Call.
You had to go to the airportthree.
Thank GodI didn't have bonding back then.
I didn't like.Just on getting on. Don't worry.
It's much easierwhen you don't have children.
Yeah. It was.Why are you surprised at that?
Yeah.
Good thing
the Townsville just isn'tthat big and they wasn't that
far between. We got.
No, it's 130,000 people
fit into the areafor roughly 1.5 million people.

(34:50):
So yeah,we're like cattle up there.
Like that tothe airport is like super crocs.
Are super close.
Yet Qantas is the same
120,000 people in the areafor 2 million people and
some cruise ships.
So my wife is getting offthe plane and beach on an hour
and a standing there,and earlier they'd said,
I wouldn't be so funnyif we saw Jonathan Thurston.

(35:11):
And I said, look, you know,that's not going to happen.
However, just it'snot going to happen.
And next, you know, JT ishelping my wife off the plane.
He comes JT up the.
Up the air
and we were standing on rightlooking down the aisle.
And see him coming.
And so Seanturns to John and goes
mate, just I know it's JTbe cool.

(35:32):
And John goes.
Well, of courseI'm not going to be cool
when someone tells me to becool.
John goes, yeah, man.
It's cool.
Interior.And internally he goes, T.
I'm fine and on it.
And then he goes, you know what
the coolest thing I could doright now,
the coolest thing possible,is to give you my shockers.
JT. JT right.

(35:54):
It's been yearsand we say that so often.
It's good.
A good look.
Honestly,I don't think JT would amount.
No, I. Don't think you wouldn't.Mind.
I think he would have gonehome, had a good chuckle.
And I don't thinkhe ever thought of you again.
Probably not.
The moment he walked away.I never thought of you.
I do have contacts that could
possibly get that questionto him, but he's not. No.

(36:16):
Contraryto any Jakarta that's listening,
that claimsthey've heard some story
about how JT was rude
to someone they knewin the Mad Cow in Townsville.
Let me tell you,
everybody that's hadany an actual interaction
with John Thurston. He'sa very nice man.
He's a loving husband,a good father.
So anyone that says some storyabout how their friend
was in the mad cow towns

(36:37):
when JT was mean to them,just shut up.
You don't know what they'retalking about.
They don't know what they'retalking about.
They're full of crap.
He's he's JTthe Beetlejuice of Townsville.
Yeah, yeah.You say his name too many times.
He's name. Straight off.The only time that exact.
No no no that's notthat's not even the only time.
My mum and dad came to
Townsville to visit,and my mum said rather

(36:59):
a, I guess ignorantlylike, well, what if we saw JT?
Wouldn't that be so funny?
And I said, mum, we're not goingto create a oh, honestly.
Like four minutes laterwe were at the Strand,
which is the area that we'retalking about in England
that's named after.
And then JT walks straight pastus into shop six, past the bar.
I hope it's still goingdelicious
food to get his takeawayand then walks back out again.

(37:21):
My mum was gobsmacked, justspeechless standing there like.
You also touched Jody's bum.
Well, not actual JT,that's not like me.
A criminal.
No, the statue outside ofwhat is that stadium?
Queensland Country Bank Stadium.
Yeah.
So their mascot is cracklesthe pig and I applied and
was successful in my applicationto be crackles the pig.

(37:44):
Really. Yeah.There's just one slight problem.
You'renot in Townsville anymore.
Now I'm too tall to fitin the pink outfit.
You have to be six foot tall.
I was, I was devastated,honestly.
I think that would be funto do. What?
Not to wear thethe mascot to the football game.
That was the whole plan.I take it up.
I gave the guy from QueenslandCountry Bank
like a haircuts and everythingand we take the whole thing up.
He's like texting me
and he goes, but howtall I am, I'm like, oh no,

(38:08):
I can'tbe crackles and I cracked.
I could be like,I'm going to be crackles.
All of a sudden.
Yeah, he was going to come uplike it was a whole thing.
I would have flown up to seeone of his crackles of pig.
No, I'm not gonna say that.
That was yousay how you have assaulted many.
A statue started aof the tradition accidentally.
It was probably.

(38:30):
It was probably 2010.
Sean and I and
one of our other friendswent to, a game at Suncorp.
And after the gamewe went outside and we're like,
let's get a photowith Caleb Lewis statue.
And I thought,you know, it'd be funny
if I touch a spot in the photo.
So I'm like, ooh,touching his butt.
And that then started a decadeslong,

(38:50):
tradition of every time I'm neara statue of a sporting star
that I get a photo of metouching their butt.
Except when we werein Townsville, we went near it.
We had a trickon some e-scooters
at, like, 1:00 in the morning.That's right.
Oh, that's right,it wasn't on the game day.
Yeah, it was the night before.
That was the night beforeand it.
Was the morning.
Before. It'son the other side of the river.
It's a town.
That's right.
It was like a.
Ten minute e-scooter trip for,you know, torches.

(39:12):
But we'd also goneto the Cowboys store,
the merch store,which is located in the Cowboys
Leagues Club, which is in town,which is open
way too late at night.
That's the giant foot photo.
That's the giant foot photo.
Yeah, yeah,
that you remember that now
the Cowboysmerch store is located
in the Cowboys Leagues Club,which is just I. Remember that.
It's just in the middle of the
in the city,

(39:32):
but because it's attachedto the front desk of the Cowboys
Leagues Club,that's the checkout.
The merch stores theoreticallyopen the whole time
that the club is open, pokiesand everything.
So if you want a fresh jerseyat 230 in the morning, you.
All look out.
Yeah, you're good now.Lockout in Townsville.
Oh, really?On the lookout for Townsville.

(39:52):
I bloody long and bloodylook out Liberal city I.
That that so.
I think I'm getting looked at.
I was me on and I get behind.My wife is locked me up.
There's afew more statues at Suncorp now.
You've got to do some.
There's so many statues.
We didn'texplain the giant foot.
We took a photo in thereand it was on like point five,
and my foot is in the bottomof the shot
and it's like four timesthe length of the wrong.

(40:13):
Foot.Because of the effect. Yeah.
Anyway,yeah, there's a lot more.
A lot more,
yeah, a lot more statues,which I can, I can assault.
It might be a,
like a little video short we cando for the for the channel.
Never need.
Darrenjust touching some statues, but.
Touching some.
But touching some bits.

(40:34):
But the. But anyway, do you wantto get into a story again.
Yeah, sure.
So where were we withthe dragon?
The strand?
Duck and Drake.
The duck and Drake, which is a.
So later in that year,in October, Robert Keyes,
a desperate man, ruinedand indebted, was admitted
into the group as well.
He was chargedwith taking care of Tate,
but his house, where gunpowder

(40:54):
and other supplieswere being stored.
In December, after accidentallybecoming aware of the plot,
Thomas Bates, Tate's be servant,was brought into the circle by
maybe,
Serving some tea.
Did I just hear you're goingto blow up the king?
Oh, sorry.What did you just say?
I thought we might needto include whoopsie doodle.

(41:16):
So how is this going to be.
Or to spoil the story?
How is this goingto be accomplished?
But that's a lot of peopleto work.
Cut it off.
The group was about to blow upthe House of Lords on the raid.
I'm pretty Parliament.

(41:38):
So they're going to blow upthe House of Lords
in the reopening a problem?
Well, we're always.
On socials.
For all the high ranking people
I mentionedearlier would be in attendance.
You can hear this upuntil you can tell us this.
This was meant to happenin February of 1605,
but it was delayed dueto concerns over the plague.

(42:00):
I'm not laughing.I'm not laughing at the plagues.
Not funny. We figured out funny.
There was a bit of a pandemichappening in London and in York,
and it was estimated 1 in 3people would die from the.
Plague.
And that was the black Death,not bubonic.
Now it is the bubonic plague.
But it's the second. Yes,it wasn't the.
Not. Of the plague.
You think of the what was 1300?
Yeah, the 1300s, the BlackDeath, which was a big plague.

(42:23):
Well, look, strictly speaking,
depending on what school youwent to, when you learned about
it, the story of the plague,it could have been any of them.
But, the 1300s,
black death was the big,nasty plague that we talk about.
But the 1600s plague the secondplague of great, great,
the Great Plague of Englandwas was far worse.
The whole thing is lots ofplagues. We'll do an episode.

(42:44):
We'll probably do it.That's for those guys.
All that information.
But yeah.
I definitely did notlook that up last November.
The parliament openingwas delayed until October 3rd.
Come March2nd. It's October 3rd.
Two more peoplejoined The Plague Girls.
Haha.
Robert Wintour and GrantJohn Grant.
Robert was includedfor obvious reasons.
Being the brother of Tom ThomasWinter and John Grant,

(43:07):
he was the winter'sbrother in law,
and he was also involvedin the earlier mentioned
Essex Rebellion.
Also in March,
the group purchased the leaseto the undercroft.
The undercroft, the. Undercroft.
Great name.
It's not necessarily

(43:27):
one buildingthat's named the undercroft.
It's kind of like a namefor a basement.
It's a cellar. Yeah,it's a cellar, right. Okay.
But this undercroft becomesknown as the undercroft.
The story.
Okay,so the Palace of Westminster
in the early 17th centurywas a hodgepodge of buildings
clustered around an old castle,

(43:47):
clustered around old medievalchambers, chapels and halls.
Right now, Westminster,that's the Westminster Palace.
That's where Big Ben is, right?
Yes, that is correct.
So when you I do knowLondon pretty well, if you.
Picture, Big Ben, you've got
you can pictureBig Ben on one side
and a bunch of spiky towers.Yeah. That is the palace.
That is the Palaceof Westminster.
That is where Parliament is.But it's not.

(44:09):
Not was never somebody'sdirect home.
No, not Westminster Abbeyis. You mistakenly thought of
that.
It actually contained the firstiteration of Westminster Abbey.
There you go. Oh, really?
Yeah.The first was actually correct.
The first time they builtWestminster Abbey was there.
And then when they built
the new big new they builtthat the next iteration
of Westminster Abbey.

(44:29):
Yeah,it was at its current location.
The current Westminster Palaceis like one large building,
whereas back in the early 17thcentury people put together.
It was like a like a townlong town hall. Yeah, yeah.
A town block. Yeah.
Different part of town square,I think you so merchants.
Lawyers and others livedand worked in various
lodgings, shops and tavernswithin its precinct.

(44:49):
And the undercroft
were very common and usedfor storing food and firewood.
Why not buildingsort of underneath it?
Didn't know it sat at a rightangle to the House of Lords.
Dammit.
Lot of good stuff in a brick.
And it was also alongsidea passageway
which led to the Parliamentstairs, as well as the River
Thames.

(45:11):
Which as we allknow, is pronounced Tim Tams.
Nobody's ever stuff that up.
The undercroft
is definitely 77ft by 24ft,four inches and ten feet high.
It's insane that you have.
You have previously,mispronounced.
The Thames at.This time. Avenue.
You're the only personin this podcast
that has ever mispronounced.
The River.
Thames.

(45:32):
So what?
That's undercroftwas on the ground floor,
and it was
directly under the first floor,which was the House of Lords,
which was the Parliament House.
And it may have beenthe palace's medieval
kitchen at one point.
It was, however, the perfectplace for the Great Plan,
and it was the undercroftthey had just placed.
And for all of youthat are curious,

(45:53):
this is the pointwhere we realized
that we'd stop recording.It was right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we so we've caught up.
So Sean and I are going to soundreal dumb again.
Yeah.
For a whilethere, we were really smart.
The group.
Okay.
Now scrollby Wikipedia page again.
The group
began loading the undercroftwith barrels of gunpowder.

(46:15):
Kate B's house was on the otherside of the Thames
and under the cover,under the cover of night,
they would move barrelsacross the river by boat,
probably in somethingmore consistent
by likeyou think it's been bigger.
Big catamaran.
20 barrels were cartedfirst and on, in 16
more were moved over onJuly 20th.

(46:38):
July 28th.
The threat of the plagueonce again
delayed the opening
of Parliament until Tuesday,the 5th of November.
Which is funnybecause it's true.
This 5th of Novemberis also a Tuesday.
It is indeed a Tuesday.
Come late August, some ofthe gunpowder had decayed,
which I didn't know was a thing.
Rather than decay,
it's probably not as refined
as the gunpowderwe have these days.

(46:59):
But organic material and.
Yeah, flat rot.
Oh, we got wet as well.
It's probably more like blackpowder back then. The.
Yeah. Mostly.
So yeah it had decayed.
So morebarrels were brought in as well
as some firewoodto conceal the barrels.
Three more conspiratorswere included
Ambrose Ringwood of our Digbyand Francis Tristram.

(47:22):
Details of the plotswere finalized in late October.
Guy was to be left to lightthe fuze on the gunpowder
and hightail itout of there across the Thames.
He would then leave for Europe
to explain eventsto European Catholic powers.
So all the other groups,of all the other members,
kind of like
there was a revolt organizedto kidnap the king's daughter.

(47:44):
Others werethey were going to leave
the areaand it was only really car
that was leftto actually do any.
Detonation. Work.
He was going to lightthe fuze in like it. Yeah.
Several ofthe conspirators were concerned
what was going to happento fellow Catholics
that were meant to be presenton opening day,
there was
some discussion to slightlyinjure the young Earl of old,

(48:07):
who drowned
so he would be absent that day,like we don't want him there.
So let's I knock him out,
give him a black eyeand stay home.
There was also,
trains to warnseveral people who
were brought up in the meeting.
But that was dismissed by Kate.
But it was actually said it waslike he kind of, like, knocked

(48:28):
even notion of warningother people.
On October 26th,while eating a meal, a servant
appeared to Lord Montaguewith a letter.
This is what it said. Monteagle.
Monteagle, Monteagle.
My lord.
Monteagle.
Out of the loveI bear to some of your friends.
I havea care of your preservation.

(48:50):
Therefore, I would advise you,
as you tend to your life,to devise some excuse
to shift your attendanceat this Parliament.
For God and man
hath occurred to punishthe wickedness of this time,
and think not slightlyof this advertisment,
but retire yourself
into your country, where you mayexpect the event in safety.
For though there beno appearance of any stir,

(49:13):
yet I say they shall receivea terrible blow this Parliament,
and yet they shall not seewho hurts them.
This Councilis not to be condemned
because they dogood, and can do you no harm.
But the danger is passedas soon as you have burned
the letter,
and I hopeGod will give you the grace
to make good use of itto his holy protection.
I commend you.

(49:34):
If I got that letter,
I'd just be like,what the hell does this say?
Monteaglequickly left for Whitehall
and showed the letterto Cecil, Earl of Salisbury.
He informed
the Earl of Salisbury,informed the Earl of Chester,
and said that probably it'snot just the source, but anyway.

(49:56):
And then it was showed to HenryHoward, first of Northampton,
that ran up.
I guess that's themaybe the chain. Up the chain.
You may have gone around.
But the news was keptfrom the King.
Who was he was hunting inCambridgeshire.
Monteagle servant had familyties to the Wright brothers
and sent them a message to takebe the Wright brothers.

(50:17):
Yeah, John. The plain guys.
No, no,no, this was it. Thomas. And.
Well.
Sean hated that.
Yeah, there was, there wasa couple of brothers then the.
I think it was John. Right.
And Thomas with the brothersanyway.
So yeah, they got a message backto Kate be about the betrayal.

(50:37):
Right.
Someone's spoken out of ten.
And, yeah,
the letter was shownto the king on the 1st November.
Upon arrival back in Londonfrom his hunting trip,
he immediatelyfocused on the word hello
and suspected the use of fireand powder.
Cecilhad already suspected the plot,
but kind of just let the king
take the creditfor uncovering the ring.

(50:59):
It was kind of like,already on it.
Just King.
You know what, King?You can have this one big.
You're so clever. You got this.What a. Smart king. Yeah.
The searchwas not conducted immediately.
Instead,Cecil waited a few days.
Lastly,
to avoid alarmingthe conspiracies
and perhapsto give them a chance
to proceed with their plans,
which would allow himto catch them red handed.

(51:20):
As the date of Parliament's
opening drew closer,Cecil instructed Sir Thomas.
Can you have it?
Oh, it's hard to say.You have it.
I trusted just.A kitten that. Can.
But I trust the justiceof the peace to carry out
a comprehensive inspectionof the Parliament buildings.
The search would focuson the lower chambers
and the storage areas,particularly

(51:41):
the basements and cellarsbeneath the House of Lords.
As the conspiratorsprepared to leave,
the area, guard was given apocket watch to time the fuze
and some other items.
On the night of November 4th,Sir Thomas Neville
and his men entered the cellarsbeneath the House of Lords.

(52:02):
In one cellarthey found Guy Fawkes
dressed as a servantguarding a large pile of wood.
When questioned, Fawkes claimedthat the firewood
belonged to his master, ThomasPercy.
This aroused never suspicions,as Percy was known
for his Catholic sympathiessimply
sympathies.
Thank you and connections.
Fawkesremained calm and composed,

(52:24):
but Kier
never ordered a more thoroughinspection of the cellar,
and this led to the shockingdiscovery
of 36 barrels of gunpowder
hidden beneath the firewoodand other supplies.
Chick, chick. Boom!
So when we say barrels, I'massuming they're like 20 gallon.
You know, like the big.Yeah. Big barrels, big one.
Yeah. Big wine barrels.
So that they could also be likelittle low ones.
Yeah, maybe.
But I feel like that's a smallerlot of gunpowder.

(52:46):
Like that'sgoing to make a big boom.
Realizing the gravity of the
situationnever immediately arrested
Fawkes, the pocket watchwas found on his person
as well as slimematches touch wood in a lantern.
The lantern can be found
in the Ashmolean Museumin Oxford
that is still on displayin Oxford.

(53:08):
When asked his name, Fawkes gavethe false name of John Johnson
and he claimed that he wasthe servant of Thomas Percy.
His calm demeanor, evenwhen confronted with accusations
of plotting to kill the king,initially impressed his captors.
Fawkes later explainedthat he intended to blow
you Scotch beggarsback to your native mountains as
an insult directed at the Kingand his Scottish supporters.

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Fawkes was taken into custody,and the news of his capture
quickly reached King Jamesand his ministers.
Fawkes remained defiantduring the first stages
of his interrogation,
refusing to reveal the nameof his coconspirators
or any further detailsabout the plot.
However, the seriousnessof the conspiracy and the threat
it posed led authorities to useextreme measures to extract

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a confession out of him.
Fawkes wastaken to the Tower of London,
where King James personallyauthorized the use of torture
to obtain information.
Yeah, torture was in fact.
Made him listen to Nickelback.
Illegal in England,except by royal order.
Look at this photograph.

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I'll tell you everything.
So, yeah, torture was wasillegal except by royal order.
But in this case,
the severity of the plotjustified in the king's eyes.
Just to be honest, I.
Nickelback.
Okay. Yeah,they're not that bad.
Fawkeswas subjected to brutal methods,
likely including the rock.
Which is the one that stretchesthe body out over.

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Don't know. It'sjust it's just straight.
You just get stretch.
Yeah. You might get stretched I.
Think your legs and arms aretied.
Yeah.Yeah. It's stretch your body.
If you got. A crook backat Mark.
There's probably a momentwhere if he's right.
Right. And then not right.
The torturehad its intended effect.
Over several daysof agonizing questioning, Fawkes
eventually revealed its trueidentity and confessed

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his role in the plot.
He also disclosed the namesof his fellow conspirators.
With this information,authorities
were able to track downand arrest
most of the conspiracies, thoughKate B and some others died
in a shootoutwhile resisting capture.
After a brief trial, Fawkes
and the remaining bodieswere found guilty of treason.
They were sentencedto the traditional punishment

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for traitors hanging,throwing and quartering.
A method intended to serveas a public deterrent.
On January 31st, 1606, Fawkeswas brought to the gallows,
but just before his execution
he jumped off the scaffold,breaking his neck
and thus avoidingthe full horrors of punishment.
I just kind of tookthe design and I went,

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I'm not waiting for you todrop it out, you know, I took a.
Swan dive off the pretty smart,actually.
Good on him.
And now, quickly, let'scover the legacy of Gotham.
So I don't knowif you when we say the name Guy
Fawkes, what do you picture upto or anything.
I know there's somelike fireworks thing.
What I'm trying to get outis that you ever seen

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the white maskwith, like, the pencil.
Oh yeah.
That's a Guy Fawkes mask.
So, yeah.
So the discovery ofthe Gunpowder Plot
had profound effects on England.
It led to increasedanti-Catholic sentiment,
stricter laws
against Catholicsand harsh penalties
for any perceived actof treason.
Parliament.
Parliament declared November 5thas a national day

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of thanksgiving for the Kingsurvival, which involved
which evolved into Guy FawkesNight, Bonfire Night,
which is celebrated by bonfires,fireworks, and the burning
of effigies of Fawkesto symbolize the falling off.
The plot brought in later years.
Guy Fawkesbecame a symbol of rebellion
against oppressive authority.
And this is whereyou might recognize the mask.

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Yeah, I think was it in a movielike in the car?
Yeah, it was inV for vendetta. There you go.
I think that'swhere it got its popularity.
Most people associate it
with the movie V for vendetta,and then those
hackers from anonymous,or every nerd you've ever met
that claims to be a hacker.
From on, it'sa symbol of rebellion.
Yeah.
Rebellion by Catholicsagainst Protestants.

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Yeah.
Slash rebellious Catholics
adhering to thousands of yearsold tradition.
So after reading all this,
and knowing, obviously Australia
being a colony of England,
I kind of looked it up and went,
Did Australia ever doBonfire Night?
Yeah, yeah, we did.

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I don't know if you were aware
this Australia 100%did Bonfire Night cracker.
Oh sorry.
I rang my dad and I'm like that
I'm reading up on Guy Fawkes.
He goes oh yeah.
The bloke that tried to blow upthe House of Lords on
all right.
Yeah. Immediately knew.
Yeah. I'm like, did you do,
like Guy Fawkes Night?
He's like, yeah, it was great.He loved it.

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My dad said he did too. Yeah.We asked him today.
Oh so talks about all the timeI. Rang Kirsty's dad as well.
He said the same thing.
He saidthey'd save up their money.
Wait, wait.
Go to the shop, buy
firecrackers,put them away for like, a night.
Dad was like, yeah, we go out,we have fires,
we make scarecrows burning.
Like, like obviously about relaypoint, realizing the what?
The burning of the Scarecrowwas focusing on Scarecrow.

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And he's like, I would get scarrockets, put them in my toys
and shoot them up in the air.
We have wheelbarrowsand have big bonfires.
And I'm like, okay, because Ididn't know this was the thing.
When did it stop?
And he's like, well, I don'tI he's like, wait,
we're firecrackersbanned in Australia.
1972 74 1974.
They were being yeah,

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I think it camein the legislation about 82.
But yeah,up until then, Australia
would have a bonfire like, and
I don't know,do you think it's weird that
we no longer do itjust because, like,
it just seems we no longer do itbecause fireworks would be
like this thing.
It's like the key thingthat you do.
But you could still do bonfires.
You know.

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I think it's.
Also, even then, it's hard toget the ability to do a bonfire.
With every.
It's been a really long time.
It's been hundreds of yearssince Guy
Fawkes tried to blow upthe House of Lords.
100 and.
16 yeah, that'sthat's a long time. It.
So it lasted a long time.
Yeah, it lasted a long time.
But how long do you reckon
the significanceof that actually lasted?
Like particularlyin the colonies
of people actuallyunderstanding. In the colonies.

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Yeah.
Of people understanding
who Guy Fawkes was,what it represented.
And then also like,are you even.
It lastedbecause as soon as I mentioned
Guy Fawkes, dad knewexactly who I was talking about.
He was the guy that triedto blow up the kingdom.
That's whyI'm not like asking your kids.
Yeah, well, that would never.
I didn't have a clue.
Yeah,my mum always talks about Guy
Fawkes Night, but I guarantee

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if she was asked to,
I asked her to tell me anything
about him attemptingto blow up the House of Lords.
She wouldn'thave a frigging idea.
What I'm talking about.
Well, my dad did that.
Like,I didn't know this was a thing,
and I found it
fascinating that
he should be thinkingthat we just don't do any more.
So you say, like, thesignificance in the colonies.
If you remember, the other weekI did a shout out to Luke from

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the guy.
And Welsh.
Mate.
That Welsh mate.
He's not the one that calls mea slap head, is it?
No, no. That's race.How is. Race?
Okay, race. These race races.
Another one race. Get on there.Leave a comment.
Tell us if you still saw this.
What are you doing for GuyFawkes exactly?
I mean,I asked like the Welsh fella,
if he did it and he's like,oh, I hate it.
I hate the fireworks.I said, upset my dog.

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I really don't want to celebratethe survival.
Some rich prick.
Anyway,so he knew exactly what it was.
And then he's like,he's an article from 2016
after the US election,which is happening now,
where on Guy Fawkes Night,
they burneffigies of Donald Trump
because apparentlythe Welsh hate Donald Trump.
Yeah.
So, like, it's still a thing.I have to say.
He's like, I know,I just find it fascinating that

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it's kind of like deadstopped in Australia.
Yeah.
But I mean,
it was probably only like,Australians love
celebrating stuffthat lets him do silly stuff.
Trying so soon as I couldn't dothe silly bit there.
Like I was going to dothe rest of this.
I don't know whyfireworks were banned.
I don't knowif there was a serious injury
or anything like that.
I guaranteethere was a serious injury.
Every. Yearin the Northern Territory.
They have a public holiday,they have Territory Day,

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and it's the one day yearwhere fireworks are legal
in the Northern Territory.
Kirsty Z also mentioned that.
Yeah. And it's pretty dangerous.
In particular, certain groups
just shootfireworks at each other.
You know, it's pretty dangerous.
You let anyone buya bunch of fireworks
and they're going to shoot themat each other.
Your favorite playerfrom the back,
and he's blew half his hand off.
This is my favorite player.

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But Jason Pierre-Paul.
Yeah,he blew off a finger or two.
Yeah, he was a patriotwhen he did that.
Messing aroundwith fireworks. Yeah.
And then I used to play it
in the NFL like weeks laterwith a just as another.
He played forthe bucks in the Super Bowl.
Yeah.
That is the history of Guy
Fawkes and Guy Fawkes Nightwhich is today November 5th.
So I go. Hunting.

(01:01:41):
Go out a lot of fire. Yeah.
Go out and legally acquiresome Fortnite.
We'll take it out. There's noto illegally acquiring foreign.
Foreign.
Just started by saying legally
and then stop yourself and saidno. We say no to illegal no.
I meant to say illegally.All right.
So go out and yeah,we say no to.
A lot ofmatch for homie Guy Fawkes.
There you go.
Speaking of fireworks,I was going through

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a safety documentat work the other day.
And it was,
we have two safety documents.
One is restricteditems, and banged on them.
Fireworks are only banned items.
Well, yeah.
If the work.
Of course I wouldn't.
They be there an explosive.
Firearms are on the restricted.

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Oh they go.
So Stanley knives banned.
Yeah. Right.
Okay.
Anyway,I just referenced the fireworks.
Oh, yeah.
That is the history of GuyFawkes.
Good one.
Around1859 was when the anti-Catholic
rhetoric of Guy FawkesNight started to thin out.
Okay.
And it mainly became ajust a social celebration.

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After the observanceof the 5th of November Act
was repealed in 1859.
Eventuallythe violence was dealt with,
and by the 20th century,
Guy Fawkes Day had become anenjoyable social commemoration.
I wouldassume it's like the UK's
July 4th.
Yeah. Like.
Yeah, July 4th.
I go out and have funcelebrating independence. Yes,

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it's the UK
are we celebrate the survivalof the King within you.
Yeah, right.
Oh, good. Sorry, boy.Thanks for.
I guesswe'll do the social thing now
we're going to havesome supplementary imagery,
up on our socials,which we do every time.
And it's also the placeyou can go to have your own say
on what you think of the story.
Race, get on the website and.

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Tell us how you celebrate GuyFawkes Day.
That's actually he tells iton Facebook and Instagram.
I think we're going togive up on Twitter.
X x. Whatever.
We're giving it up.
Yes. No engagement,no engagement.
And it's really hard to dothe post because the limit.
Yeah.
So Twitter by by r I. P r I p.

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Facebook and Instagram.
People hit us
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Find us on, find us on eToro.
We don't actually triedanything.
We just post.
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marketingthrough doing the podcast.
You can find us on wkyc.comwhere you can apply for the job.
But that isn't actually a job.
It's just community engagement.
Yeah,you can apply to be a Chiquito
and we will hire youis that we won't hire you.
It's an unpaid internship.
Volunteer as a chick eater.

(01:04:30):
Anyway, we will be backin a fortnight's time.
It's my turn.
Should I give ita little teaser?
Yes. Plenty has got the episodewritten.
It's got a boat in it.
Oh, it's a keypart of the story. I'm out.
Love the boat with youevery second episode of yours.
It's been.
It's been a lot of boat heavyepisodes. Marine based. Yeah.
All right.
Well. With that cheeky.

(01:04:51):
Let's get Joneschucking it. So good night.