May 19, 2025 • 55 mins
The name's Tales, Cheeky Tales. This week on the podcast John takes us through the last of his three part miniseries, Ian Fleming, better know as the author of the James Bond novels. Listen as Fleming gets the inspiration for Bond and goes through the process of developing the manuscripts. Listen to his life story, before listening to the story of the man he created.
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He is one of the
most iconic literatureand movie characters in history.
He has the gadgets,the car, and the women.
The manwith the license to kill.
Grab a martini.
Shaken, not stirred, of course.
Jump in your Aston Martin
and let's explore the character,
of 007, James Bond
and the inspirationsbehind him.
Welcome to Tales,
(00:21):
Cheeky Tales.
I'm really glad that you did.
The tales. Cheekytales. The jump.
Yeah. Thank you.
I mean, you have to.Of course you do.
(00:42):
You have to.
This is James Bond.We are talking about.
I'm really glad thatI get to bring up my,
James Bondhaving a stroke meme again.
It'll be in the video.
Okay.
The name's Jones.
Bond. Jones.
Oh, never heard of that.
Are you okay?
Bob Jones having a strong start.
(01:04):
Let me find a song.
I've never heardor seen of. The.
Or. Aaron's finding that. Yeah.Welcome to Cheeky Tales.
This is partthree of my three part series.
Episode 101.
Here it is.
I'm sure on some dimensions.
The bonds name.
James name plays to whatbond names the James Bond.
(01:26):
You're right. Thanks. Thanks.
No one's having a strong,strong global bond.
Yields.
I was thinking earlier
about, like an episodethat tied in with 101.
Yeah.
I was like, I wonder whatwe could do to make it 101.
Yeah,Dalmatians would have been it.
Yeah, yeah, I wonder almost.
(01:47):
I wonder Dalmas.
And I window dominoes.
Anyway, it's bond. Bond, bond.
Yeah. James. Bond. Alan.
But I thought about gettingstuff to make us martinis.
But I thought about that
about two secondsbefore I drove in the driveway.
Before. Yeah. Alas,we don't have martinis.
Sorry everyone missed my AlanBond joke.
Just having another digat boats.
I heard it.
(02:08):
I saw it. Oh. Digs it. Boats.
But what was boats anyway?
The what's wrongwith personal boat details?
Right. Cheeky boats.Tell us what's wrong with boat.
We always doboats. Yeah, okay. Boats.
Boats. Keep that in mind.
Listeners, for the next episode,I think.
I think, Sean, it's episode 101.
We've we've hit the hundo.
I think it's time for you
to turn on your lifeand be more positive.
(02:29):
What you need to have made it to
last timeI've made a 1030 life and engage
in my hostiletakeover of Jake tails
and I turn the tide boat tails.
You need to turn overa new style, Sean.
And and just embrace. No.
I, I think it's time for you totake a new tack now. I hope,
boat punsare the worst kind of puns.
Yeah,the worst kind of puns. Yeah.
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All right, James Bond. Yes.
Oh seven. Double oh.
So what do they ever talk about?
The other double O's? Oh,yeah, they. Do, they do? Yeah.
I think it was at the startof the last.
Movie as well.
Now, Sean Bean.
Famously dies a lot in movies.
Yes he does.
He's at the start of GoldenEye,and he used 006.
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Oh, there you go.
Yeah, I have all the bond books.
Well, I don't know.
I've got a lot of bondbooks on my Kindle.
Oh. Yeah.
I was thinking
when writing this,I'm thinking, like,
I might startcollecting the bond books.
I can get the actual.
Yeah, the books. Right?
Yeah.The bond books are pretty good.
Yeah, I've read a couple of them
now, and it'shard to stay interested in.
I don't go into itin the script, but I do read,
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I think it was like the first 4or 5 were pretty well received,
and then
you got a bitprepared through the middle
because someone took offenseto him or something like that.
And then last couple again.
Can I ask? Yeah.
Does Austin Powerscome up in this story? No.
Sorry.
What a waste.
You can you can bring up AustinPowers like always.
I'd like to bring upall the bells we forced out.
(03:54):
Well, let's just do itnow. Obviously, I want to.
Watch Austin Powers.
Obviously, James Bond is theinspiration for Austin Powers.
Yes. So.
And like,
pretty pretty consistentto like, a lot of the stuff
in Austin Powerslooks ridiculous.
And then you see the real movieand you're like, oh yeah, yeah.
Austin Powers is a like parody.
Doctor Evil's like pretty much a1 to 1 clone of doctor.
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No. Doctor. No.
Yeah, no, he's more of, he's
more of a 1 to 1clone of the leader of specter.
The guy that's alwayshidden strokes his cat.
Well, yeah, he's more of a.
Yeah. Isn't that. From.
Hey, he was in a lotof the movies,
but he wasplayed by Christoph Waltz in,
I think Skyfall might have got.
(04:38):
This guy from.
Oh. Now, wasn't quantum.
Also wanted to be.
The leader of specter is inlots of the movies,
but usually they just showhis hands and it's.
I was thinking of chaos,which is,
what's the chaos from?
Chaos and Chaostwo from Robot Wars? No.
Oh, what's what's.
Good thinking 99?
(04:59):
What's the TV show?
Ernst StavroBlofeld is to have, specter.
Get smart, get smart.I was thinking to get smart.
Yeah. Yeah. So, doctor.
No is. I can't move my iPad.
But we will include supplementalimages that the leader
like Doctor Ernst.
Ploy field is the later specter.
Specter?
I say thatbecause Sean Connery says shark.
(05:20):
That is specter.
Yeah, he has a scar over his eyeand a white cat and the chair.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what.
Doctor Evil. Yes.
They say doctor failed. Yeah.
I didn't go to evilmedical school.
I didn't I didn't go to frickinevil middle school.
To school to be called Mr.
Evil. It's Doctor Scott. Doctor.
I'm doing all right. Doctorevil.
(05:42):
Love osteopath.
Yes, there was a British guy up.
My wife, a cop. Dr.Austin Powers.
Constantly from me.
I have placed a giant laser.
Yeah, on the moon.
I call it my Death Star.
But may I monologue, please?
Okay. Take the floor.
The details of my lifeof quite inconsequential.
(06:03):
And to Carrie Fisher, by
the way,is the therapist for that movie.
Oh, no. Please,let's hear about your childhood.
Very well. Where do I begin?
My father was a relentlesslyself-improving
lingerie owner from Belgium,
with a low grade narcolepsyand a penchant for buggery.
My mother was a 15 year oldFrench prostitute named Chloe
with webbed feet.
My father would womanizer.He would drink.
He would make outrageous claims
(06:23):
like he inventedthe question mark. So
damn it.
Sometimes he would accuse.
Chestnuts of being lazy.
Should we just, like.
Sort of general Malaysiathat only a great genius possess
and an insane lament.
My childhood was typicalsummers in Rangoon
luge lessons in the springwe'd make meet helmets.
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When I was insolent,I was placed in a burlap bag
and beaten with reeds.Pretty standard really.
At the age of 12,I received my first scribe
at the age of 14
as our Astrid,
and named Vilma, ritualisticallyshaved my testicles.
There really is nothinglike a shorn scrotum.
It's breathtaking.
I suggest you try it.
The shrimp fisher.
(07:04):
You know we have to stop.
Should we?
Got that? Yes.
No, that stays in two.
We just, like, blow this podcastoff and watch Austin Powers.
No, I think I thinkwhat we should do. God cut.
I think what we should do is
I think Austin Powersshould be the first cheeky.
Tell us what's on it.Absolutely. Shoot after this.
Yeah.
I think we do the thingwhere we say
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you start the movie in three,two, one.
Yeah, we press play, we talk.
What is it?
What's that cinematic.
They used to do it in.
Mystery Science Theater.
Yeah.
Yeah, that type of thingwhere we're not actually
playing the movie for youso we don't get caught.
You going to get the movieyourself?
You get the movie yourself.
We tell you when to press play,and you can listen to us
pretty much talkwhile we watch it with you.
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After the effect
that we had of no oneresponding to my New Year's like
tantalizingtidbit, I don't know if anyone's
going to get on board with thaton the movie, cuz I did.
Give a little bitmore than 45 minutes notice.
Yeah. No, this.
Yes, this will be something
that you can stopwhenever you want.
Oh yes. Yes.
Also, I'm going to point out
Reese did hear thatand he was going to do it,
(08:08):
but he didn't I didn'tso I didn't get the hat.
Yeah. No shit.
Said.This is released like a podcast.
I can start itwhenever they want.
We. It's true.
We just in. Yes.
We tell them when to start itso they can watch. Yeah.
We're not going to say that.
We're only going to upload itfor an hour.
That's true.
We're not Twitchstreaming it anyway.
In that sense,we need to make movies
that people genuinely,really want to watch.
And I think Austin Powers.
(08:29):
Tick Yeah.
Gets theslappy tick of approval.
Let's start on let's start.All right.
We're going to startwith the man who created James.
Bond film, Ohio.
Author Ian Fleming.
He was born on the
28th of May 19,
all right, in the wealthy Londondistrict of Mayfair.
And us.
That's the one.That is the. One in monopoly.
What's the.Other one? Park Lane?
That's it. So happy.
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117th birthday next week,Mr. Fleming.
Oh, rip.
Well, in a couple of days fromwhen this podcast is released,
mother Evelyn Fleming and fatherValentine Fleming,
who said he's dead. Boy,what do you assume he's dead.
Right. Is he.
Dead? Yes.
So, Father
Valentine Fleming,who was the Member of Parliament
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for Henley from 1910 to 1917,Valentine dying from German
shelling on the Western Frontin World War One on May 20th.
I've just started watchingThe Crown with bris 19 eight.
Yeah, they really try hard.
The loose connectionthere is that, you know.
Agent
oh, and youheard the word Parliament. Yes.
(09:32):
By the way, Winston Churchill,the John Lithgow is Winston
Churchill. Brilliant.
But, they.
Really Winston Churchill.
They really try hard to makeyou feel bad for the Royals
and the start of the Crown.
And I just keep being remindedthat they're the royals
and that they should not be feltsad for.
(09:53):
Oh, it's such a burdento be the ruler.
Shut up.
Anyway, just want to getthat off my chest.
Yeah, I mentioned that because,
this podcastcomes out on May 20th.
I think it's likethe anniversary of.
He was about to launch it. Yes.
I saw like,
Ian's grandfather wasRobert Fleming.
He co-founded
the Scottish American InvestmentCompany and merchant bank,
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Robert Fleming and Co.
So I I'd say Ian's familywasn't short of a quid.
Ian had two siblings,an older brother, Peter,
and a younger half sister.
I'm Lewis.
Great name.
So family Amaryllis.
I think I now the two.
I was waitingfor someone to correct me.
He did not a rose.
I cannot find pronunciationfor it, but I tried.
(10:36):
I missed as he said it.I was like.
Oh, I think I nailed it anyway.
Oh my. If you say his mother'slast name.
I missed that. Good bye.
Her, maiden name.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I skip that.Yeah, I thought you might.
I saw sortI'm like yeah, he's a French.
He's got an accent. Yeah.
Oh we're all ducks.
It's like Roy.
We're going to get to some namesin 19,
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19, 21, enrolled in Eton Collegefollowing his brother's
footsteps,who excelled at school.
Ian, however,struggled academically.
But Sean, athletically
holding the
title of Victor, would drum.
Ludo drum.
The dough.
Drum winner of games okayfor two years, 1925 and 1927.
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Chase, you'd want to hopeyou go to games.
He also editedthe school magazine,
but his lifestyle choicesput him at odds
with his housemaster,
Evie Slater, who disapproved ofIan's attitude.
His oil boiled hair,
his ownership of carsand his relationship with women.
Slater pursued or persuadedIan's mother, not pursued.
(11:42):
That's a different tortoise.
Probably did both
slide up.
Persuaded Ian's motherto remove him from Eton, a term
early to gain entry to the RoyalMilitary College, Sandhurst.
Ian spent less than a yearthere, dropping out
after contracting gonorrhea.
Oh, how did you get that?
I believe sex.
(12:02):
I do, Sean, as it seems to bein those times after school
if your family had money.Because I think we
kind of covered this with,Christopher Lee.
Ian traveled around the worldattending different colleges,
such as a small private schoolin Austria,
then Munich University, as wellas the University of Geneva.
Can I get a sound bite for.
Must be nice. Yeah.
(12:22):
It's justI need a button for that.
While
in Geneva,he became engaged to Monique.
Pain chewed the buttons.
Yeah, you nailed that.
I haven't hang ontrying to find it.
Well, he got my neck right.
Pain chewed. And shored.
The buttons.
The buttons and I lovehow Sean rests his face
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on his microphone.
Yeah, it's not the time.
Upon returning to London,he passed the entry exam
for the Foreign Office,but wasn't offered a position.
Then, in October 1931, thanks tohis mother's influence,
he was given
the position of subeditorfor the Reuters news agency.
Reuters. Reuters.Is it. Reuters?
I knowit doesn't look like that.
(13:06):
But there's no way in it.The Reuters news agency.
Yeah, it's English, boy,you should know it.
In October 1933,Ian spent time in Moscow
covering the Stalinistshow trial of six engineers
from the Britishcompany Metropolitan Vickers.
So that a
show trial was justthe decision is already made
that just putting on a show.Yeah, yeah.
(13:28):
Look we're doing a justicewhile.
They,
he requested an interview withSoviet Premier Joseph Stalin.
He did not secure an interview.
That was a nice received.
He received a handwritten note
apologizingfor not being able to attend.
Returning from Moscow,he ended his engagement
after his mother threatened tocut him off from his trust fund.
Women's stophanging out with Stalin did it.
(13:50):
He's a gentleman from whom.
It just says, Monique.
I don't know whyI can't find her full name.
Oh, I guess we have to assumeJohn nailed it.
I guessmy sources are better than his.
Captain French himself,John Savage.
Actually, I think she was
Geneva's.
I survived.
She was Geneva, in.
Geneva, in Geneva when.
I, I met from there.
(14:11):
I think it's Geneva.
Isn't Genova?
Isn't that the one in.
That's like a fictional one?
That's a fictional countryfrom The Princess Diaries.
Yeah. Great film.
Don't watch along.But the girls can do it.
I think it's also the planetand attack of the client.
I was.
That iswhere the where they do that.
Where the. Yeah.
(14:32):
The client trip is coming.
Like when it starts with the G.
But I don't know if it's Geneva.
It's the.
No I think it's too. No.
Anyway.
Anyway, between 1933 and 1939,he gave banking
and stockbroking a crackand was unsuccessful at both.
In 1939, he started seeinga married woman, and O'Neal.
Scandalous, yes.
(14:52):
And was also having an affairwith Esmond Harmsworth,
the heirto the Lord Russell Miller
had to Lord Buttermere,the owner of the Daily Mail.
In our back in. Now day,people did the right thing.
You know.
I thought that was interesting.
The honor of the DailyMail was in it. Yep.
May of 1939, he was recruitedby Rear-Admiral John Godfrey,
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Director of Naval Intelligence,as his personal assistant.
He Ian worked from room 39in the HQ of Naval Intelligence.
Essentially he operatedas a liaison for Godfrey.
He was knownfor his abrasive personality.
He was a bit of a dick.
That's not what you wantto be known for.
So you, instead of himgoing out and going
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with all the different
intelligence agencies and stufflike that, he kind of sent
Ian instead.
He would communicatewith the Secret Intelligence
Service, the SS,which is known as MI6.
The Political Warfare Executive,
the Special OperationsExecutive.
Yeah. Sorry.
And the Joint IntelligenceCommittee,
(15:57):
as well asthe Prime Minister's staff,
I think is in a little pause.
This relationshipwith the different departments
led Ian to become a chiefplanner
and these menfor special operations,
leading him to be involvedin such actions as Operation
Postbox. Star covered.
I'm a step aside. Yes, he did.
Episode I not.
In light of 1939,Godfrey circulated a duck.
(16:20):
Episode 98. Thank you very.
Yeah.
Godfrey circulated a documentthat light historians claim
had all the hallmarks of Ian'swritings, called the Trout Memo.
Okay.
It was a documentthat likened deceiving enemies
in wartime to fly fishing.
You can see sort of 50 points.
Number 28 onthe list was an idea
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to plant misleading papers
on a corpse that would be fannedby the enemy.
This was later convertedinto Operation Mincemeat,
which saw a body releasednear the coast of Spain
with paperssuggesting the invasion of Italy
was merely a fight,
and the intended targetwas to beat Greece and Sardinia.
However, Sicily in Italywas the intended target,
and the concealment of theplanned invasion was a success.
(17:04):
Good job.
So here I remember readingsomething about the logging.
Farming was saying somethingalong the lines of the body
should be relatively easyto find.
We'll just get one out of
like the more goodsgoing to make sure it's fresh.
By I mean yeah.
How hard is itto find a body on mobile to.
Yeah.
Well,
I think the one thatI actually did find
for this OperationMincemeat was like
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just a homeless dudeI picked up off the street.
No, I bet that feels worse.
It does? Yeah.
And they stuff,like falsifying documents
this time he was like a majoror something, and.
And I travel through submarine
and just let it gofor a submarine near the coast.
And I find it up on the beach.
Was picked up by Spain,for sure.
I want to know more about this.
The more you tell me, the worseit is.
(17:45):
It is pretty bad,but it's kind of interesting.
Yeah, we stole a homeless guy.Yeah, I don't know.
We dressed. Him up.I don't know if they stole it.
I think he just was unclaimed.
You knowwhat I mean? Like, it wasn't
okay.
Had no relative sure to claim.
Yeah.
It's still not right.
Yeah, it'sbetter than your stupid episode.
Stuff actually happens.
(18:05):
Here.
We got free
put a man in charge of OperationGoldenEye from 1941 to 1942.
That was the plan to maintainintelligence network
within Spain in the eventof a German takeover in 1942,
and formed a unit of commandos30 assault unit
This consisted of specialized
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intelligence troops
that would operate very closelyor in front of an advance,
and would target the retrievalof enemy documents from HQ
that I would like, eitherright in line
with advanceor in front of the taking out
enemy positions and tryingto get sensitive documents.
And yeah, it's my phone.
I could destroy it. Correct.
The unit's most notablediscoveries
(18:46):
came during the advanceon the German port Kiel,
in which documents for the V-2rocket, Messerschmitt M1
63 fighters and the high speedU-boats were found.
Seems a bit odd.
They had all that stuffin the same place.
I think it waslike a major industrial port.
The mother had soughtto say, or something like that.
Yeah.
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He was demobilizedfrom the armed forces in 1945
with the end of the war,and became foreign manager
for the Kemsley Newspaper Group,
which at the timeand the Sunday Times.
You can understandwhy so many former
soldiers went a bitmad, was like,
can you imagine coming back
from doing all that stuffand then being like,
oh yeah, you workat a newspaper now?
(19:29):
Yeah.
But it was mentioned
with one of the other blokesI talk about later.
Don't that don't integrate.
Well, no.
Especially with, like,what some of these guys did,
like, in these special operationunits and stuff like that.
He also built a housein Jamaica.
And that estate is calledGoldenEye.
Yeah, man.
(19:49):
And that's pretty much wherehe wrote all these books.
Even.
I'm sureSean had a great reaction.
Ian againbegan seeing a married woman.
Oh, keeping your pants.
This is going to beanother name.
You ready for this one, Sean?
Can you say it for me?
And are we.
(20:10):
Chatters?
Chatter is oh chatters.
Chatter race. Chatter.
Which I thought. Is.
Who she eventually divorced herhusband and then married again
in 1952.
Both Ian and and had affairsduring their marriage, with Ian
having a child with BlanchBlackwell, one of his neighbors.
(20:32):
Whilst I didn't even gopast his neighbor, no.
That child was Chris Blackwell.
He was one of the co-foundersof Island Records.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, like you can kind ofsee where maybe some. Of.
James Bond'spersonality is coming from.
Yeah,
I mean, you're going to seea lot more of it too, actually.
Ian mentioned to friendsduring the war
that he wantedto write a spy novel,
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and this is somethinghe accomplished in two months.
Casino Royale was startedon the 15th of January,
1952 and finished on the16th of February 1952.
Well,
Ian wouldthen write 11 more James Bond
novels, as well as two shortstory collections.
You may also knowone of his other works.
Can I guess it?I already know it.
(21:14):
This is what you'regonna bring up earlier? Yeah.
Children's book, which was laterturned into a film.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
I did not know thatuntil I did this.
I didn't know thatuntil last night.
Oh, volleyball.
And they have these screensup, like,
you know, the ones at cricket,how they've got, like,
some news and like,maybe they'll play some.
They have books that come up.
Yep. And I looked I was like,oh shoot it, bang, bang.
(21:36):
And then I looked inthat said Ian Fleming.
I'm like, what?
So I had to quickly look it up.
Blew my mind.
That's not a coincidence.
Yeah, I'm there with youtalking about the informant.
Yeah. The daybefore the episode. Yeah, yeah.
I tried to bring it upas an interesting fact.
To blow your mind.
Would have been blowing. My mindwas pre blown. Pre. Brian
pre recording.
(21:56):
Brian also didn't realizethat there's more than one book.
Yes 12. Yeah 12.
I don't have the listof 12 banks.
But you'd recognize over it
what they've all been 24 banks
and 24 cities.
Moving on.
(22:17):
I loved Chitty Chitty Bang Bangwhen I was a kid.
Yeah,I just point that out great.
I also loved Brum.
So the books, boy,the James Bond novels.
Yeah.
In order, casino Royale.
Yeah.
Live and let Die two.
Casino Royale. Yep.
Moonraker. Yep.
(22:38):
Diamonds are. Forever.
Yeah.When was Moonraker written?
Because that'sthe one on the moon.
On the moon,right on a moon base.
I actually don't thinkI've seen Moonraker.
It was written,
5th of April, 1955.
Moonraker, unfortunately, starsRoger Moore.
My least favorite bond.
Sorry, sir. Roger Moore.
Hold, hold. Sean. Okay,
(23:01):
we'll get to it.
Holding court.
Sean ranks his favorite.
Moonrakerwas the one on the moon, right?
But the snob series buoyant boy
bond joinsem at blights to stop a member.
Sir Hugo Draxcheating at bridge.
Bond is subsequently secondand onto Drax the Staff.
(23:22):
The Moonraker Britain'sfirst nuclear missile project.
One discovers that Drax is an exNazi working for the Soviets.
He also establishes thatthe rocket is not a defense,
but is used to be, but is to beused by Drax to destroy London.
I think the one that happens onthe moon is actually doctor.
No, no, it's not the movie.
Moonrakerhas a different plot to the.
(23:43):
Okay, not vastly different plot.
Right? There you go.
Yes. Say it.
Moonraker, followedby Diamonds are Forever.
Then from Russia with love.
They all have such good name,doctor.
No, Goldfinger, for your eyesonly.
Thunderball.Don't know that one.
The spy who loved me.
(24:04):
Yeah. Shagged me. Yes.
By who? Shagged on Her Majesty'ssecret service.
Yeah. You only live. Twice.
The man with the golden gun.
Yeah.
I think this is one of the shortstory collections I could.
I knowthe one you're waiting for.
Octopussyand the Living Daylights.
Yeah, that that is it.
(24:25):
Remember I said before,
Austin Powers is basically justJames Bond?
There you go. Octopussy, right?
Of course.
That one of
an Fleming's female characters,it's called Pussy Galore.
Yeah.
Hey there's somewe get into something.
He's a. Thirsty man.
There's some other namesto like.
Yeah.
Anyway anyway he's.
GoldenEye one of the books.
Or is thatjust one of the movies?
(24:46):
I wasn't in the books.
No, I just just got rid of it
might be one of the shortstories.
It was also a movie. Yeah.
It is one of the movies.
Yeah, because it's that onethat gold members based on.
No gold membersbased on Goldfinger.
Right?
Course it's made of gold.
GoldenEye novelization.
Schmuck in a pen counting 95.So nice.
(25:08):
Yeah, it might have been a moviefirst.
Movie first. Yeah.
Okay, that'sthat's the 12. There.
There are other books written,but no.
On the 12th day of bond,as my Fleming gave to me.
But not written by Ian Fleming.
So they're, more bondnovels, but.
Yeah. Yeah, they're, like,handed it over. Correct.
He was a heavy smokerand drinker.
And suffereda heart attack in 1961.
(25:30):
He survived that onebut didn't fully recover.
And on August 11th, 1963,after a long and tiring day
with his friendsat the golf club,
he collapsed from another heartattack and passed away.
The following morning at age56, RIP
his last recorded wordswere to the ambulance drivers
apologizingfor inconvenience. Them.
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So that's the creator
slash
author of bond, who's life
probably see where some ofthe inspiration comes from.
Yeah, all the shagging.
It is said a lot of charactersin bond come from inspirations
in Ian's real life, suchas his secretary from The Times
being the inspirationfor Miss Moneypenny.
Scaramanga, the main antagonist
(26:24):
from The Man with the GoldenGun, was named after a fellow
schoolboy at Eton Collegein fought with right.
Goldfinger was named afterBritish architect.
You know Goldfinger,whose work in abhorred
just. I don't think he knew me.
I just didn't like.
Is this guy building is so ugly.
(26:45):
I'm going to name an evilcharacter in my book about him.
Pretty much.
And James Bond himselfwasn't the first James Bond.
He wasnamed after someone as well.
BecauseFleming was an avid birdwatcher.
Okay. And owned a field guide.
Birds of the West Indies,authored by James Bond.
James Bond.
(27:06):
How did I never knowthat before now?
Yeah, Flemingwould tell the author.
No, we'll just swath that thisbrief, unromantic, Anglo-Saxon
and yet very masculine namewas just what I needed.
And so a second JamesBond was born.
He would also tellThe New Yorker
in an interview from 1962,when I wrote the first
(27:28):
1 in 1953, which,
earlier I said 1952, I don't oh,this is just quote from him.
I don't know if think this onemisremembered it or not,
but when I wrote the first1 in 1953, I wanted bond to be
an extremely dull, uninterestingman whom things happened.
I wanted himto be a blunt instrument.
When I was casting aroundfor a name for my protagonist,
(27:50):
I thought, oh my God,
James Bond is the dumbest nameI've ever heard.
Oh, get wrecked.
So yeah,
I feellike there's a bit of projection
there from the bird watching,but maybe.
Yeah, but.
Would you really complain after?
I'd be happyif A77 was called Iron Pain.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.So you're bang bang bang bang.
(28:11):
Come here. Let me kiss you.
Bang bang bang.
It's pretty much.
I could say it could be the nextJames Bond.
Yeah. Scrooge is Alba.
This guy.I think Henry Cavill's. Again.
We'll talk about.
Henry Cavill is notJames Bond. Why?
So we're going to go offscript a little bit here.
What is James Bond known for?
(28:31):
I think I mentioned a little bitin the start of the year.
A sneaky boy. Is sneaky boy.
He's the conceptthat I don't understand.
Right. Okay.
World's most famous spy.
Yeah. It doesn't.
It would make youa terrible spy. Correct?
The best spy nobody should know.
Yeah.
I think they mean thatin the sense of
for the viewerslash reader. Yeah.
No, no, no,don't do it. Like the thing.
(28:52):
Don't don't don't.You've done it.
You've got them getting better.
Every time
bond is found somewhere,they're always like, Mr.
Bond, they all know him.
Only the people within the evilorganization aspect.
They like,Mr. Bond, all the other.
Characters,
if they know him, why
they're not putting posters upeverywhere in these facilities.
(29:12):
That because they are secret
and all the other charactersthat go, Mr.
Bond were made again.
Meet himpreviously in the story.
That's the point.
Again,they made him put up a sign.
Don't let this guy in. This guy.
Every timethe villains meet him. Right.
They're unaware of James Bondas the entity.
They meet him.
He's just think he's James Bond.
And then laterwhen they're like, Mr.
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Bond,it's like a new revelation.
I just think
beinga famous spy is an oxymoron.
He's not a famous spyin the universe of James Bond.
Oh, this is. This is good.
Remember this argument?
No, I don't have it again.
Lateron, when we get to a man called
Tommy.
(29:54):
I have this argumentall the time about,
like,is the world set on our world?
And if so, is it this?
It gets real matter real fast.
I'm tired.
It's it's it's good.
That's good.
I'm glad you bring that upbecause
we're going to get to it.
Yeah. Okay.
But what else ishe known for? Like cars.
Yeah. Gadgets. Yeah.
Oh, women.
Women? Yes.
(30:14):
Getting the poster high.
Not necessarily.
You want what a cop.
But yeah. You got a cat that,
Oh, the bond girl.
The bondgirls have become a famous.
Yeah, a famous thing.
We all have our favorite.
Gadgets
saving the world.
I can'tI can't say anything right now
(30:34):
because I'm gonna say somethingfilthy.
You gotta say somethingfeels good.
I have to get myselfcut from the whole episode.
Oh, the the tuxedo?
Yeah. Martinis. Martinis.
Shaken, not stirred.
The most awful wayto have a martini.
This being very likeif he was a daddy character,
he would have, like,Max charisma, right? You reckon?
Yeah.
Max. Charisma.
Yeah. Yeah.
Also, it taste and drinks.
(30:55):
Max specificity in his stuff.
Right? Yeah.
I'd come up first of allif I'd come out of his crime.
Tastes like crap. Secondly.
Like what?
Like, okay, let's take a spiritthat tastes like something.
Let's swap it with a spiritthat tastes like nothing
and just just drink for me.
Maybe just.
Just drink cold. Vamoose.
Maybe he just drinksthe worst vodka.
That actually does tastelike something, did I?
(31:16):
I don't knowhow to make a martini,
but don't shake it anyway, youknow, you stir. Oh, okay. Yeah.
If you shakeit, it bruises the alcohol.
It doesn't.
It just makes it.
That breaks up the ice too much.
It's a stupid wayto make a martini.
It's disgusting.
Traugott got scared.
I don't know what accent it was.So on.
The character of bondisn't really modeled
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after one single person,
but more of an amalgamationof different people in you.
I mentioned him earlierand he's competent at school,
but Peter Fleming,Dean's one year
older brother, is consideredas one of the inspirations.
Okay.
Actually, at one pointPeter was more famous than and
they shared a similar childhood.
And in 1932, Peterwent to Brazil
(31:58):
in search of the lostexplorer, Colonel Percy
Fawcett, to which he publisheda book a year later,
Brazilian Adventure
Why Now?
I had to.
That book sold quicklyinto World of Crime
and My Peter,a popular travel writer.
Yeah.
Peter also worked
in naval intelligenceand worked closely with Ian.
(32:20):
They were both awareof each other's work,
and one of the thingsPeter had to plan
was underground resistance.
If Nazi Germany invaded England,
some would say pretty important.
Yeah, we need to put together.
Peter also spent timebehind enemy lines in Norway and
Greece.
Sadly, in 1947, Peterfell from a horse while hunting
and suffered a crushedpelvis. Oh.
(32:42):
He never physically recoveredand had to retire from travel.
Writing.
So as his star faded,his younger brothers Cary.
I can see how crushed pelvis inthe 40s would be difficult
to recover from.
Wilford Standard dial.
Right? Yeah.
Who everyone called. Beefy,
big, beefy.
(33:03):
Even though he had a thickEnglish accent.
Beefy spoke Russianlike a native.
He was recruited.
He was recruited early in ageto the Secret Intelligence
Service number six, and rosequickly through the ranks.
He was first stationedin Constantinople and helped
the lost Sultan Mohammed
the sixth,
(33:25):
not with an eye.
I Mohammed managed.
Did you just sound like
you don't know how to saythe way I'm doing?
It's Mehmed, the.
Sixth member of the sixth.
It sounds like.
It's a Mughals don't make David.
Mad. Man.
Like if I did. Sultan.
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Mehmed. II didn't.
To safely depart Constantine
Constantinople after the fallof the Ottoman Empire.
He also had a role in crackingthe Enigma code,
eventually becoming the headof the mystic Station in Paris.
Bowery.
He was a man who enjoyedluxuries, things much like iron,
and was known to wearhandmade suits with fancy
(34:10):
French cufflinks, drovean armor plated Rolls-Royce.
He also lived the lifestyleof hard drinking and womanizing,
and was ready to throw downin a fistfight that's beefy.
Beefy and Ian were friendsduring World War Two.
In the intelligence office,and beefy
would often point to his storiesin the bond novels and climb.
They werelifted from his own life.
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Yeah, I'd do that,too, if I knew Ian Fleming.
Oh, yeah, I rememberwhen that happened to me.
Yeah.
I mean, he was sneaking out.
Sultan. Yeah. That's true.
The next man,
Dusko Popov.
Okay.
The triple agent or quadrupleagent?
Serbian born.
He lived a lavish lifestyle,
(34:51):
but also earneda doctorate in law.
So you probably know dum dum
Popov was encouragedto join the Abwehr.
The German secret service.
I'm guessing, is the other.
Is it the other Germany?
German?
The Nazi secret service,which he did, then immediately
(35:12):
walked into the British Embassy
and offered his servicesto them as a double agent.
Hey, I'm now a Nazi.
Can I be you guys?
Yeah.
He's codename for the VOA,
which is the Serbian SecretService.
Was that guy,which is just. He's not sorry.
That's a really good codename.
MI6 called him tricycle.
And the other.
Ian. Cool.
(35:34):
Petroff was good atstealing money from the Nazis.
Well, when I say good,I mean the Nazis would
give him money for a mission,and then he would just go
give it to Mrx.
Hey, had.
How did you go with the mission?
It was a failure.
Oh, duh.
This is how he met in an.
Open house with a good coat.
Oh, don't worry about that.
(35:56):
Bob was carrying
$40,000 in 1941, and Ianwas assigned as his escort.
I think $40,000, 941something to.
Pay $3.8 billion.
I think it's. About 800,000there.
Yeah.
What what I off he.
Got an Iron Cross.
Yeah.
Was a double agent.
They gave him an Iron Cross.
(36:16):
He has a Nazi German award.
It was the means.He was a good double.
Double agent.
They wouldn'the wouldn't. Keep that.
And an orderof the British Empire.
Do you keep both?
I don't know, data. Name is Tom.
Yeah.
Yeah.Okay. Do you know what that is?
Yeah. That's the name, right?Yeah. Pink and black.
Not black and white.That's black and white. Cookie.
(36:36):
Hey, hey. Bow ties.
May have been a long timeslot on Danish.
Top. Yeah, I start after thisbecause they.
Filled in marshmallow on my.
Tummy. Are they.
Yeah. They are, are they. Yeah.
You need to start off this.
Tell me about a 24 hour bakery.
Not in Brisbane.
Adelaide. Yeah it's true.That's not going to happen.
So he was his escortand he would witness an event
(36:56):
at the Estoril Casino Estoril.
Yeah.
Pepper's bluffing.
Place a $40,000bet at the back of that table
in order to make a rivalwithdrawal.
That is a major plot pointin Casino Royale.
I also like to live dangerously.
But that pretty. Much I have 21.
(37:17):
I also like to live dangerously.
Stop quoting Austin Powers.
He's talkingabout important stuff.
Talking about a real manthat so that human man.
Not pretty much happening casinoRoyale like from a saying.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah.
Now I say quadruple agentbecause later
the Nazis required Petrovto spy on the Americans.
(37:39):
So the Britishlearned him to them.
The British learned him. Yep.Yeah.
There was also some saying that,
this guy warnedthe head of the FBI
that the attack on PearlHarbor was coming, and the FBI
just either ignored it or didnothing about it. I,
going through all that stuff.
This guy seems likeit could have been an episode.
I mean, yeah.Keep him in your pocket.
(38:00):
That's whyI haven't gotten caught.
That's kind of whyI haven't gone to.
Too deep into it. Yeah.
Forrest.
Frederick Gump.
No, not forest. Gump.
Forest. FrederickI said Forrest dump.
That's the, porno parody of. Ha!
Okay, no.
Forest or the dump truck.
Or dump. Frederick.
(38:21):
Sorry. Edwin. Yo, Thomas.
Known as Tommy.
Yep. Codename seahorse.
And known by the Gestapoonly as White Rabbit.
Seahorse?
Can you? Asshole nickname like.
You're getting your spy name.
You're like,come on, Bengal tiger.
(38:42):
Come on. It's like. I'm going.
I mean, asexual marine creaturethat swims with no eyes. Like
they are a silly looking animal.
Having recently beento Underwater World, a
very clearly adult,but my mom loves them.
Sequels is a great. Yeah.
So this guy was known onlyas White Rabbit to the Gestapo.
(39:03):
Okay.He was known to the Gestapo boy.
Yep, I wasI wouldn't want to be known.
Remember this argumentyou were just having?
Yeah.
Keep that in mind. Yeah.
So he's known he's a famous spy.You're right.
Tommy was drop behind linesvia parachute
three timesinto occupied France.
And in Ian's memoirs,he wrote of his fascination
(39:24):
with his fascinationof the missions Tommy conducted,
including oneslike when Tommy was captured
by the Gestapoand was sent to the notorious
Buchenwald
yep, concentration camp,
before escaping and shootingan enemy agent.
Right?
I don't know much about thatconcentration camp,
(39:44):
but I can't imagineit was one of the good ones.
If it was notorious.
They're a good concentrationcamp.
Oh, really?
I mean, depends relativelike you talk
about, like, comparisonto some of the bad ones.
That might be a good one.
Oh. Geez.
That's a pretty bleak scale.
That's not a good one, Sean.
(40:05):
Okay. Yeah.
Moving on.
As I said, I don't think there'sany good concentration.
No, I know or considering,like our standards today. No.
Well, I can't even then.
What do you mean goldstandards today.
But to today's prisons.
Putsch and vault spell isno no no no no I don't I.
Don't think we need. Towe don't need to talk about it.
(40:26):
So in a moment in thestory From Russia with love,
it parallelsone of Tommy's exploits.
Tommy was being hunted by Nazisand boarded a train for Paris,
inadvertently, inadvertentlysetting himself next to Klaus.
Bobby.
You know who that is now?
He was a high ranking Gestapoofficer, right?
(40:47):
So he just sat downnext to one of the.
Leading Gestapo officers.
Yeah, correct.
Famous spy, remember? Yes.
Keeping his cool.
He struck up a conversationwith Klaus,
even having dinner with himbefore slipping away.
When the train arrived in Paris.
That's pretty cool.
So you can be a famous spyand still be a good spy.
Okay, but this is like.
Sitting across from a man knownas the Butcher of Leon.
(41:11):
I think he probably did havea photo of him.
That's the same name.
Yeah, that's a nickname.
I don't think that wasa good reason.
Was that was that Klaus? Barbie?Nicholas. Bobby or class?
Bobby?
Yeah. I don't ever
want to become knownas the butcher or something.
That always feels a bitall regulatory.
I reckon
the Gestapocould be in episode two,
because I don't knowtoo much about it, so I reckon.
(41:32):
I don't think that's going to bea fun episode.
I don't didn'tthat was going to be fun.
Maybe interesting.
HeinrichHimmler was an awful man.
Awful man. Yeah.
Yeah.
The Holocaust episodenot coming soon. No.
But, you know,if you want to watch
a dramatization of it,to sort of understand things.
Hitler'sCircle of Evil on Netflix.
Not bad, not bad.
(41:54):
What's thewhat's the movie with?
You mentioning before
he played Byfieldin the recent bond movie.
Oh, you're thinking of ChristophWaltz? Yes.
He was also in, like,Inglorious Bastards.
Was that.Is that where he plays it?
I was going to joke thatit was inglorious.
He plays anSS like an SS member.
(42:15):
Terrifying SS member. Yeah.
Absolutely terrifying for.
A moviethat's kind of almost satire.
Yeah, almost.
He was terrifying. And then.
Right.
That's such a good movie.
Yeah, such a good actorand everything that he's in,
I actually. Yeah, he'sDjango Unchained. Awesome.
I haven't seen thatbecause it's awesome.
Django Unchainedhave a have a big toilet break.
(42:36):
Yeah.
The twist is far too early.Okay.
I was like, I'm so tired.
I was in the cinema like,holy crap.
He's yeah, he's a pretty actor.Anyway.
What what's that famous scenein Inglorious Bastards
where Brad Pitt walks inand just butchers the Italian?
Well, Okay, so do we have time?
That's also the one where Marcofirst is like,
order threeand he does it the wrong way.
(42:57):
Yes, he does itthe wrong way. Am I.
Right? Are the wrong way.That's a long way.
I think the wrong way is theGerman way.
Yeah. Yes. So,
Bongiorno.
That's it. Yeah.
He walks in and apparently.
Every Texas accent.
So the context.
The context for this is BradPitt's character is quite in
quite overthe top and quite overt.
(43:18):
However, he didn't actually tellany of the other cast members
that he was going to do itbecause he wasn't
actually supposed to do that.
He was supposed to speakItalian,
the same as the other guys.
He's supposed to kind of do itproperly,
and he didn't tell anybody.
So when they go to speak to one,he goes, Bongiorno.
And everyone just looks shockedbecause that's a real reaction.
He didn't tell anyonethat was creative license.
And then then QuentinTarantino was like,
(43:41):
I fuck with that. That's good.
Keep going.
That's good. Yeah.
So yeah,
White Rabbit slipped awaywhen they try to get the pass
bounced away.
That's right up to it.
Then there was WilliamStevenson,
the international spymaster
best knownas his codename intrepid Sea.
That's a good codename.
(44:01):
Ian once wrote
bond, a highly romanticizedversion of a true spy.
The real thing.
The man who becameone of the greatest agents
of the Second WorldWar is William Stephenson.
So he's writtendown that bond is heavily
inspired by William Stephenson,and he fits the bill well.
Let me rattle off a few points
as wellas some personality traits.
He was a boxing champion,a World War one ace,
(44:25):
like a fighter pilot,ace entrepreneur.
Now a tennis ace.
Could have been. What a serve.
Entrepreneur you are.
An inventor, an internationalmillionaire businessman,
was a friend of WinstonChurchill
and loved martinis and good foodand said that he.
Couldn't be all.
He said.
It was said that
this William Stephenson madeone of the strongest martinis,
(44:48):
and served him in court glasses.
He was also a bachelor,
which means he was knighted,but wasn't part
of any of the organized ordersof chivalry.
Later in Stephenson's life,
he founded aschool for spies in New York.
This is where
he met him andprobably heard of his stories,
which many of many of whichare still classified today.
(45:10):
This is rumor and speculation.
The, Gold Fingerstory is based on an operation
Stephenson craftedbut never got to carry out.
So it's just like,that's what people believe.
Then there's Sidney Riley, theace of spies, Ukrainian born.
He was a master of disguiseand con games recruited into MI6
as he had deep contacts with thenewly formed Communist Russia.
(45:34):
He was an invaluable spy.
He would recruit double agentsand he was very good at it.
Coming from Russia, he was likegetting these guys and yeah,
how about you playfor the other team?
In 1917, he tried organizingan assassination
of the Bolshevik leaders,
which failed,and he fled to England,
but was lured back in 1925,where he was arrested
and executed.
(45:55):
Being that Ian workedin the naval intelligence
and had mutual friends
royalties and hadaccess to his career records,
there are many others.
There's a whole list of others
like WorldWar two, spies and stuff.
But I'm gonna finishwith someone
who was closer to homethan you think.
Sidney Cottononly press born Queensland
and growing up in a Hidden Valehomestead.
(46:18):
Cotton insists in, cotton,instead of working the farm
as his father did,
left Australia at the age of 20and joined the Royal Naval
Air Service.
He established himselfas a ladies man.
It sounds like every spain the mid 20s and 30s did.
He was an entrepreneur,a pilot and a spy
working for Essex in the leadup to World War two.
But what did cotton dofor the Brits?
(46:40):
He would repeatedly fly overGermany,
taking photos of everythingwith strategic value
naval bases, munition facilitiesand airfields,
even once taking a photoof Hitler's personal yacht.
He was ableto do this as he was operating
under a dummy corporationposing as a businessman,
film directoror an archeologist.
Even thoughmost of his flight plans
(47:01):
were dictatedby German government,
he often got awaywith flying off track.
It was he was kind of knownfor being that kind of.
Yeah, I've thought of talkingabout other things.
Why did you fly directlyover the Fury yacht?
Check it out.
He's plane was outfittedwith hidden cameras
that had sliding panelsto conceal them.
One of the planes on the ground,
and could be activatedby a button press
(47:22):
that was locatedunder the pilot's seat.
So cool.
That's like a there's, like,one in the fuselage.
In the wings? Yeah.
Couldn'teven embarked on a daring stunt
having an officer,Albert Quisling.
Kesselring,pilot Cotton's plane along
the Rhine Riverto visit an alleged maiden aunt
to like an unmarried aunt.
(47:43):
Yeah, we come check out my aunt.
I think if she didn't exist.
Instead, cotton was operatingthe button under the seat,
taking photos
of fortifications and airfieldof its German officer.
Play the play.
Cotton flew back to Berlin
mid 1939and offered to fly Hermann
Göring back to England for peacetalks.
Hitler put a stop to thatand cotton flew
(48:04):
the last civilian planeout of Berlin
before the outbreak of WorldWar Two.
In 1939, cotton and he met
and hit it off immediately,becoming very good friends.
Cotton also loved the gadgets,
inventing the C,the flying suit,
which solvedthe problem of pilots
keeping warm in the cockpitas they change
from high to low altitudes.
And it was this trait that manybelieve having has inspired Q
(48:29):
Bond's quartermaster,who came up with quirky devices
such as flame throwing bagpipes.
Put that one infusion.
Cotton died
February 15th, 1969, in Sussex,England, at the age of 74.
You knew that was coming.You were ready for that? Yeah.
And has a tombstone and plaquedetailing his life
and exploits in Toledo,which is just west of Ipswich.
(48:54):
If we can get thereat the moment.
Hidden veil is likejust Grantchester, pretty much,
which is also just westof Ipswich.
Yeah.
Anyway, Boy and Slappy,
that was some of the real lifeinspirations for James Bond.
How many James Bond movies
have you seenand who's your favorite bond.
Got to be? Connery.
(49:14):
It's got to be Connery.
Interestingly,I also read that Connery
was Ian Fleming's.
Least. Favorite bond.
Well,he only kind of saint Connery
because he died before he. Diedbefore the rest of them.
But he did not want Connery,James Bond.
He thought he was too much of a.
He thought he was too rough.
Too rough for a mundane topic.
Yeah, he thought he was ahe thought he was bushy.
(49:36):
Yeah. Like he came in and he hadthis thick, like Ian Fleming.
Like he came in.
He had this terribleScottish accent,
like, was all grumpy about itbecause Sean Connery did have a
difficult to understandScottish accent
while they film Doctor No.
He had a lot of speechtherapy and coaching.
Yeah.
There's a universally agreedworst bond,
and it was that guythat did one like Tim something.
(49:57):
Oh since I Tim Schafer.
But it's not that. No.So you've got.
Tim Schafer the one that doesthe music on Letterman.
Now. He's a game director.
He does a directed games like,
Anyway, soI personally don't like Pierce.
Pierce Brosnan.
Won't say I grew upwith. Timothy Dalton. Timothy.
That's it.
(50:17):
Well, let's go throughthe list of George Lazenby.
Only one had a few.
It was Sean Connery.
Sean entering, Roger Moore.
Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton.
And then while George Lazenbywas before all of that.
So it was Sean Connery,George Lazenby, then
Roger Moore. Yeah.
Right. No, then Sean Conneryagain, and then Roger Moore.
(50:39):
Well, Sean Connery again,because he did.
He did never say never,which is.
Technically not.One of the ball.
Yeah, it'sjust a remake of Thunderball.
And it was awful, butit was in the 80s. Those don't.
Yeah, but it wasn't made by MGMor something like that.
So it'stechnically not a bond movie.
So SeanConnery, then George Lazenby,
and then Sean Connerymade some more bond films.
Not that one.He made another film. Yeah.
(51:01):
Then Roger Moore,which I don't like Roger Moore,
but he had the most movies,then Timothy Dalton.
And Pierce Brosnan. Well,then there was a big gap.
But yeah.
Pierce Brosnanand then Daniel Craig.
Brosnan, Daniel Craig. Yeah.
And now it's bought by Amazonprobably.
Yeah.
People are worried that it'sgoing to end up being a TV show.
(51:22):
Rather than talking of IdrisElba being the next bond,
I think Henry Cavill would makea good bond.
No, he's tooAmerican. He's too American.
English, I don't care.
He's tooAmerican. He's white Superman.
They were talking about himdoing
it years ago,but he was too young.
Now he'sin the age range, right?
I like I'd say Idris Elba.
(51:42):
I can I would like to say IdrisElba as well.
I'd also like to see HenryCavill.
Yeah, I'ma big Henry Cavill fans.
I don't.
I don't even know if he justl was the right kind of guy.
Who is like, I don't know.
Everyone was like, oh my God.
Daniel Craig,a blond James Bond who.
Could do it?
Hear me up Robert Pattinson.
(52:03):
Yeah, Panting could do it.
Pattinsoncould be a pretty good bond.
I think he's. In that twoyoung stage probably.
I think he needs to be about40 to be.
He is about 40.
Is he? Yeah, he looks. 12.
Maybe. Yeah.
I'm getting closeto getting. Close to 40.
Because he would have been in.
He's like,oh, I vote. For Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran isthe next James Bond hot off.
So you've been listening to.
(52:25):
Good my boy.
Good story. On bombshell.
Well yeah I, I yeahyou don't have to be Sean
Connery is the favorite bond.
Yeah. From Russia With loveis my favorite.
It's simple TatianaRomanova is the best bond girl.
Full stop.
Sorry everybody TatianaRomanova is the best bond girl.
The train storyline is very,very fascinating.
The simplicity of it. It's it'sawesome.
(52:45):
It's not too nonsensical.
Like you don't have a character
called Pussy Galore,for God's sake.
Oh, there
some other really weird namestoo, like Titania,
a couple of something.
I think you knowTatiana Romanova.
Yeah, that's a very normalRussian name.
No, no, it was something elsethat was over the top.
It didn't.
It was along the lines of,like, Pussy Galore.
Anyway, we've experienceda little bit of that
(53:05):
kind of 60s era spy stuff.
You've been playing a VR game?
Oh, yeah.I expected to die. Yeah.
I wouldn't saythat's in the same.
Kind of inspiration is. True.
Yeah, it's it's definitelythat 60s spy esthetic.
Yeah.
Very fun.That game is so much fun.
You play as, like, a secretagent in VR
(53:26):
and you've got to, like,do puzzles to each level.
Was like a little escape room.Yeah.
Set to a story of there'san evil genius trying to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. We should wrap up.
It has been a wonderful littleseries that you've done, boy.
And I say thank you. Yeah.So that wraps it up. Yeah.
What did you start with?
You sort of started with U-boatsin the Atlantic Ocean.
(53:49):
That's right.
Anyone who left the operationmaster postmaster, which was
taking out the reinforced likethe resupply of the U-boats.
And James Bond.
Interestingly enough, I justremembered I forgot to touch on,
the head guy from Operation Post
Match gas marks Phillips,which was also believed
to be one of the inspirationsfor James Bond.
(54:10):
You touched on that last time.
Yeah.
So and then that'show we ended up with Jimmy B.
Well it's been fun.
Yeah.
It's time to wrap up.
Thank youvery much for listening.
Hope you have awonderful evening.
Good night.Good night kiddos. Gotta
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He is one of the
most iconic literatureand movie characters in history.
He has the gadgets,the car, and the women.
The manwith the license to kill.
Grab a martini.
Shaken, not stirred, of course.
Jump in your Aston Martin
and let's explore the character,
of 007, James Bond
and the inspirationsbehind him.
Welcome to Tales,
(00:21):
Cheeky Tales.
I'm really glad that you did.
The tales. Cheekytales. The jump.
Yeah. Thank you.
I mean, you have to.Of course you do.
(00:42):
You have to.
This is James Bond.We are talking about.
I'm really glad thatI get to bring up my,
James Bondhaving a stroke meme again.
It'll be in the video.
Okay.
The name's Jones.
Bond. Jones.
Oh, never heard of that.
Are you okay?
Bob Jones having a strong start.
(01:04):
Let me find a song.
I've never heardor seen of. The.
Or. Aaron's finding that. Yeah.Welcome to Cheeky Tales.
This is partthree of my three part series.
Episode 101.
Here it is.
I'm sure on some dimensions.
The bonds name.
James name plays to whatbond names the James Bond.
(01:26):
You're right. Thanks. Thanks.
No one's having a strong,strong global bond.
Yields.
I was thinking earlier
about, like an episodethat tied in with 101.
Yeah.
I was like, I wonder whatwe could do to make it 101.
Yeah,Dalmatians would have been it.
Yeah, yeah, I wonder almost.
(01:47):
I wonder Dalmas.
And I window dominoes.
Anyway, it's bond. Bond, bond.
Yeah. James. Bond. Alan.
But I thought about gettingstuff to make us martinis.
But I thought about that
about two secondsbefore I drove in the driveway.
Before. Yeah. Alas,we don't have martinis.
Sorry everyone missed my AlanBond joke.
Just having another digat boats.
I heard it.
(02:08):
I saw it. Oh. Digs it. Boats.
But what was boats anyway?
The what's wrongwith personal boat details?
Right. Cheeky boats.Tell us what's wrong with boat.
We always doboats. Yeah, okay. Boats.
Boats. Keep that in mind.
Listeners, for the next episode,I think.
I think, Sean, it's episode 101.
We've we've hit the hundo.
I think it's time for you
to turn on your lifeand be more positive.
(02:29):
What you need to have made it to
last timeI've made a 1030 life and engage
in my hostiletakeover of Jake tails
and I turn the tide boat tails.
You need to turn overa new style, Sean.
And and just embrace. No.
I, I think it's time for you totake a new tack now. I hope,
boat punsare the worst kind of puns.
Yeah,the worst kind of puns. Yeah.
(02:49):
All right, James Bond. Yes.
Oh seven. Double oh.
So what do they ever talk about?
The other double O's? Oh,yeah, they. Do, they do? Yeah.
I think it was at the startof the last.
Movie as well.
Now, Sean Bean.
Famously dies a lot in movies.
Yes he does.
He's at the start of GoldenEye,and he used 006.
(03:11):
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, I have all the bond books.
Well, I don't know.
I've got a lot of bondbooks on my Kindle.
Oh. Yeah.
I was thinking
when writing this,I'm thinking, like,
I might startcollecting the bond books.
I can get the actual.
Yeah, the books. Right?
Yeah.The bond books are pretty good.
Yeah, I've read a couple of them
now, and it'shard to stay interested in.
I don't go into itin the script, but I do read,
(03:32):
I think it was like the first 4or 5 were pretty well received,
and then
you got a bitprepared through the middle
because someone took offenseto him or something like that.
And then last couple again.
Can I ask? Yeah.
Does Austin Powerscome up in this story? No.
Sorry.
What a waste.
You can you can bring up AustinPowers like always.
I'd like to bring upall the bells we forced out.
(03:54):
Well, let's just do itnow. Obviously, I want to.
Watch Austin Powers.
Obviously, James Bond is theinspiration for Austin Powers.
Yes. So.
And like,
pretty pretty consistentto like, a lot of the stuff
in Austin Powerslooks ridiculous.
And then you see the real movieand you're like, oh yeah, yeah.
Austin Powers is a like parody.
Doctor Evil's like pretty much a1 to 1 clone of doctor.
(04:16):
No. Doctor. No.
Yeah, no, he's more of, he's
more of a 1 to 1clone of the leader of specter.
The guy that's alwayshidden strokes his cat.
Well, yeah, he's more of a.
Yeah. Isn't that. From.
Hey, he was in a lotof the movies,
but he wasplayed by Christoph Waltz in,
I think Skyfall might have got.
(04:38):
This guy from.
Oh. Now, wasn't quantum.
Also wanted to be.
The leader of specter is inlots of the movies,
but usually they just showhis hands and it's.
I was thinking of chaos,which is,
what's the chaos from?
Chaos and Chaostwo from Robot Wars? No.
Oh, what's what's.
Good thinking 99?
(04:59):
What's the TV show?
Ernst StavroBlofeld is to have, specter.
Get smart, get smart.I was thinking to get smart.
Yeah. Yeah. So, doctor.
No is. I can't move my iPad.
But we will include supplementalimages that the leader
like Doctor Ernst.
Ploy field is the later specter.
Specter?
I say thatbecause Sean Connery says shark.
(05:20):
That is specter.
Yeah, he has a scar over his eyeand a white cat and the chair.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what.
Doctor Evil. Yes.
They say doctor failed. Yeah.
I didn't go to evilmedical school.
I didn't I didn't go to frickinevil middle school.
To school to be called Mr.
Evil. It's Doctor Scott. Doctor.
I'm doing all right. Doctorevil.
(05:42):
Love osteopath.
Yes, there was a British guy up.
My wife, a cop. Dr.Austin Powers.
Constantly from me.
I have placed a giant laser.
Yeah, on the moon.
I call it my Death Star.
But may I monologue, please?
Okay. Take the floor.
The details of my lifeof quite inconsequential.
(06:03):
And to Carrie Fisher, by
the way,is the therapist for that movie.
Oh, no. Please,let's hear about your childhood.
Very well. Where do I begin?
My father was a relentlesslyself-improving
lingerie owner from Belgium,
with a low grade narcolepsyand a penchant for buggery.
My mother was a 15 year oldFrench prostitute named Chloe
with webbed feet.
My father would womanizer.He would drink.
He would make outrageous claims
(06:23):
like he inventedthe question mark. So
damn it.
Sometimes he would accuse.
Chestnuts of being lazy.
Should we just, like.
Sort of general Malaysiathat only a great genius possess
and an insane lament.
My childhood was typicalsummers in Rangoon
luge lessons in the springwe'd make meet helmets.
(06:43):
When I was insolent,I was placed in a burlap bag
and beaten with reeds.Pretty standard really.
At the age of 12,I received my first scribe
at the age of 14
as our Astrid,
and named Vilma, ritualisticallyshaved my testicles.
There really is nothinglike a shorn scrotum.
It's breathtaking.
I suggest you try it.
The shrimp fisher.
(07:04):
You know we have to stop.
Should we?
Got that? Yes.
No, that stays in two.
We just, like, blow this podcastoff and watch Austin Powers.
No, I think I thinkwhat we should do. God cut.
I think what we should do is
I think Austin Powersshould be the first cheeky.
Tell us what's on it.Absolutely. Shoot after this.
Yeah.
I think we do the thingwhere we say
(07:25):
you start the movie in three,two, one.
Yeah, we press play, we talk.
What is it?
What's that cinematic.
They used to do it in.
Mystery Science Theater.
Yeah.
Yeah, that type of thingwhere we're not actually
playing the movie for youso we don't get caught.
You going to get the movieyourself?
You get the movie yourself.
We tell you when to press play,and you can listen to us
pretty much talkwhile we watch it with you.
(07:47):
After the effect
that we had of no oneresponding to my New Year's like
tantalizingtidbit, I don't know if anyone's
going to get on board with thaton the movie, cuz I did.
Give a little bitmore than 45 minutes notice.
Yeah. No, this.
Yes, this will be something
that you can stopwhenever you want.
Oh yes. Yes.
Also, I'm going to point out
Reese did hear thatand he was going to do it,
(08:08):
but he didn't I didn'tso I didn't get the hat.
Yeah. No shit.
Said.This is released like a podcast.
I can start itwhenever they want.
We. It's true.
We just in. Yes.
We tell them when to start itso they can watch. Yeah.
We're not going to say that.
We're only going to upload itfor an hour.
That's true.
We're not Twitchstreaming it anyway.
In that sense,we need to make movies
that people genuinely,really want to watch.
And I think Austin Powers.
(08:29):
Tick Yeah.
Gets theslappy tick of approval.
Let's start on let's start.All right.
We're going to startwith the man who created James.
Bond film, Ohio.
Author Ian Fleming.
He was born on the
28th of May 19,
all right, in the wealthy Londondistrict of Mayfair.
And us.
That's the one.That is the. One in monopoly.
What's the.Other one? Park Lane?
That's it. So happy.
(08:49):
117th birthday next week,Mr. Fleming.
Oh, rip.
Well, in a couple of days fromwhen this podcast is released,
mother Evelyn Fleming and fatherValentine Fleming,
who said he's dead. Boy,what do you assume he's dead.
Right. Is he.
Dead? Yes.
So, Father
Valentine Fleming,who was the Member of Parliament
(09:10):
for Henley from 1910 to 1917,Valentine dying from German
shelling on the Western Frontin World War One on May 20th.
I've just started watchingThe Crown with bris 19 eight.
Yeah, they really try hard.
The loose connectionthere is that, you know.
Agent
oh, and youheard the word Parliament. Yes.
(09:32):
By the way, Winston Churchill,the John Lithgow is Winston
Churchill. Brilliant.
But, they.
Really Winston Churchill.
They really try hard to makeyou feel bad for the Royals
and the start of the Crown.
And I just keep being remindedthat they're the royals
and that they should not be feltsad for.
(09:53):
Oh, it's such a burdento be the ruler.
Shut up.
Anyway, just want to getthat off my chest.
Yeah, I mentioned that because,
this podcastcomes out on May 20th.
I think it's likethe anniversary of.
He was about to launch it. Yes.
I saw like,
Ian's grandfather wasRobert Fleming.
He co-founded
the Scottish American InvestmentCompany and merchant bank,
(10:14):
Robert Fleming and Co.
So I I'd say Ian's familywasn't short of a quid.
Ian had two siblings,an older brother, Peter,
and a younger half sister.
I'm Lewis.
Great name.
So family Amaryllis.
I think I now the two.
I was waitingfor someone to correct me.
He did not a rose.
I cannot find pronunciationfor it, but I tried.
(10:36):
I missed as he said it.I was like.
Oh, I think I nailed it anyway.
Oh my. If you say his mother'slast name.
I missed that. Good bye.
Her, maiden name.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I skip that.Yeah, I thought you might.
I saw sortI'm like yeah, he's a French.
He's got an accent. Yeah.
Oh we're all ducks.
It's like Roy.
We're going to get to some namesin 19,
(10:58):
19, 21, enrolled in Eton Collegefollowing his brother's
footsteps,who excelled at school.
Ian, however,struggled academically.
But Sean, athletically
holding the
title of Victor, would drum.
Ludo drum.
The dough.
Drum winner of games okayfor two years, 1925 and 1927.
(11:19):
Chase, you'd want to hopeyou go to games.
He also editedthe school magazine,
but his lifestyle choicesput him at odds
with his housemaster,
Evie Slater, who disapproved ofIan's attitude.
His oil boiled hair,
his ownership of carsand his relationship with women.
Slater pursued or persuadedIan's mother, not pursued.
(11:42):
That's a different tortoise.
Probably did both
slide up.
Persuaded Ian's motherto remove him from Eton, a term
early to gain entry to the RoyalMilitary College, Sandhurst.
Ian spent less than a yearthere, dropping out
after contracting gonorrhea.
Oh, how did you get that?
I believe sex.
(12:02):
I do, Sean, as it seems to bein those times after school
if your family had money.Because I think we
kind of covered this with,Christopher Lee.
Ian traveled around the worldattending different colleges,
such as a small private schoolin Austria,
then Munich University, as wellas the University of Geneva.
Can I get a sound bite for.
Must be nice. Yeah.
(12:22):
It's justI need a button for that.
While
in Geneva,he became engaged to Monique.
Pain chewed the buttons.
Yeah, you nailed that.
I haven't hang ontrying to find it.
Well, he got my neck right.
Pain chewed. And shored.
The buttons.
The buttons and I lovehow Sean rests his face
(12:45):
on his microphone.
Yeah, it's not the time.
Upon returning to London,he passed the entry exam
for the Foreign Office,but wasn't offered a position.
Then, in October 1931, thanks tohis mother's influence,
he was given
the position of subeditorfor the Reuters news agency.
Reuters. Reuters.Is it. Reuters?
I knowit doesn't look like that.
(13:06):
But there's no way in it.The Reuters news agency.
Yeah, it's English, boy,you should know it.
In October 1933,Ian spent time in Moscow
covering the Stalinistshow trial of six engineers
from the Britishcompany Metropolitan Vickers.
So that a
show trial was justthe decision is already made
that just putting on a show.Yeah, yeah.
(13:28):
Look we're doing a justicewhile.
They,
he requested an interview withSoviet Premier Joseph Stalin.
He did not secure an interview.
That was a nice received.
He received a handwritten note
apologizingfor not being able to attend.
Returning from Moscow,he ended his engagement
after his mother threatened tocut him off from his trust fund.
Women's stophanging out with Stalin did it.
(13:50):
He's a gentleman from whom.
It just says, Monique.
I don't know whyI can't find her full name.
Oh, I guess we have to assumeJohn nailed it.
I guessmy sources are better than his.
Captain French himself,John Savage.
Actually, I think she was
Geneva's.
I survived.
She was Geneva, in.
Geneva, in Geneva when.
I, I met from there.
(14:11):
I think it's Geneva.
Isn't Genova?
Isn't that the one in.
That's like a fictional one?
That's a fictional countryfrom The Princess Diaries.
Yeah. Great film.
Don't watch along.But the girls can do it.
I think it's also the planetand attack of the client.
I was.
That iswhere the where they do that.
Where the. Yeah.
(14:32):
The client trip is coming.
Like when it starts with the G.
But I don't know if it's Geneva.
It's the.
No I think it's too. No.
Anyway.
Anyway, between 1933 and 1939,he gave banking
and stockbroking a crackand was unsuccessful at both.
In 1939, he started seeinga married woman, and O'Neal.
Scandalous, yes.
(14:52):
And was also having an affairwith Esmond Harmsworth,
the heirto the Lord Russell Miller
had to Lord Buttermere,the owner of the Daily Mail.
In our back in. Now day,people did the right thing.
You know.
I thought that was interesting.
The honor of the DailyMail was in it. Yep.
May of 1939, he was recruitedby Rear-Admiral John Godfrey,
(15:15):
Director of Naval Intelligence,as his personal assistant.
He Ian worked from room 39in the HQ of Naval Intelligence.
Essentially he operatedas a liaison for Godfrey.
He was knownfor his abrasive personality.
He was a bit of a dick.
That's not what you wantto be known for.
So you, instead of himgoing out and going
(15:35):
with all the different
intelligence agencies and stufflike that, he kind of sent
Ian instead.
He would communicatewith the Secret Intelligence
Service, the SS,which is known as MI6.
The Political Warfare Executive,
the Special OperationsExecutive.
Yeah. Sorry.
And the Joint IntelligenceCommittee,
(15:57):
as well asthe Prime Minister's staff,
I think is in a little pause.
This relationshipwith the different departments
led Ian to become a chiefplanner
and these menfor special operations,
leading him to be involvedin such actions as Operation
Postbox. Star covered.
I'm a step aside. Yes, he did.
Episode I not.
In light of 1939,Godfrey circulated a duck.
(16:20):
Episode 98. Thank you very.
Yeah.
Godfrey circulated a documentthat light historians claim
had all the hallmarks of Ian'swritings, called the Trout Memo.
Okay.
It was a documentthat likened deceiving enemies
in wartime to fly fishing.
You can see sort of 50 points.
Number 28 onthe list was an idea
(16:41):
to plant misleading papers
on a corpse that would be fannedby the enemy.
This was later convertedinto Operation Mincemeat,
which saw a body releasednear the coast of Spain
with paperssuggesting the invasion of Italy
was merely a fight,
and the intended targetwas to beat Greece and Sardinia.
However, Sicily in Italywas the intended target,
and the concealment of theplanned invasion was a success.
(17:04):
Good job.
So here I remember readingsomething about the logging.
Farming was saying somethingalong the lines of the body
should be relatively easyto find.
We'll just get one out of
like the more goodsgoing to make sure it's fresh.
By I mean yeah.
How hard is itto find a body on mobile to.
Yeah.
Well,
I think the one thatI actually did find
for this OperationMincemeat was like
(17:25):
just a homeless dudeI picked up off the street.
No, I bet that feels worse.
It does? Yeah.
And they stuff,like falsifying documents
this time he was like a majoror something, and.
And I travel through submarine
and just let it gofor a submarine near the coast.
And I find it up on the beach.
Was picked up by Spain,for sure.
I want to know more about this.
The more you tell me, the worseit is.
(17:45):
It is pretty bad,but it's kind of interesting.
Yeah, we stole a homeless guy.Yeah, I don't know.
We dressed. Him up.I don't know if they stole it.
I think he just was unclaimed.
You knowwhat I mean? Like, it wasn't
okay.
Had no relative sure to claim.
Yeah.
It's still not right.
Yeah, it'sbetter than your stupid episode.
Stuff actually happens.
(18:05):
Here.
We got free
put a man in charge of OperationGoldenEye from 1941 to 1942.
That was the plan to maintainintelligence network
within Spain in the eventof a German takeover in 1942,
and formed a unit of commandos30 assault unit
This consisted of specialized
(18:26):
intelligence troops
that would operate very closelyor in front of an advance,
and would target the retrievalof enemy documents from HQ
that I would like, eitherright in line
with advanceor in front of the taking out
enemy positions and tryingto get sensitive documents.
And yeah, it's my phone.
I could destroy it. Correct.
The unit's most notablediscoveries
(18:46):
came during the advanceon the German port Kiel,
in which documents for the V-2rocket, Messerschmitt M1
63 fighters and the high speedU-boats were found.
Seems a bit odd.
They had all that stuffin the same place.
I think it waslike a major industrial port.
The mother had soughtto say, or something like that.
Yeah.
(19:07):
He was demobilizedfrom the armed forces in 1945
with the end of the war,and became foreign manager
for the Kemsley Newspaper Group,
which at the timeand the Sunday Times.
You can understandwhy so many former
soldiers went a bitmad, was like,
can you imagine coming back
from doing all that stuffand then being like,
oh yeah, you workat a newspaper now?
(19:29):
Yeah.
But it was mentioned
with one of the other blokesI talk about later.
Don't that don't integrate.
Well, no.
Especially with, like,what some of these guys did,
like, in these special operationunits and stuff like that.
He also built a housein Jamaica.
And that estate is calledGoldenEye.
Yeah, man.
(19:49):
And that's pretty much wherehe wrote all these books.
Even.
I'm sureSean had a great reaction.
Ian againbegan seeing a married woman.
Oh, keeping your pants.
This is going to beanother name.
You ready for this one, Sean?
Can you say it for me?
And are we.
(20:10):
Chatters?
Chatter is oh chatters.
Chatter race. Chatter.
Which I thought. Is.
Who she eventually divorced herhusband and then married again
in 1952.
Both Ian and and had affairsduring their marriage, with Ian
having a child with BlanchBlackwell, one of his neighbors.
(20:32):
Whilst I didn't even gopast his neighbor, no.
That child was Chris Blackwell.
He was one of the co-foundersof Island Records.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, like you can kind ofsee where maybe some. Of.
James Bond'spersonality is coming from.
Yeah,
I mean, you're going to seea lot more of it too, actually.
Ian mentioned to friendsduring the war
that he wantedto write a spy novel,
(20:53):
and this is somethinghe accomplished in two months.
Casino Royale was startedon the 15th of January,
1952 and finished on the16th of February 1952.
Well,
Ian wouldthen write 11 more James Bond
novels, as well as two shortstory collections.
You may also knowone of his other works.
Can I guess it?I already know it.
(21:14):
This is what you'regonna bring up earlier? Yeah.
Children's book, which was laterturned into a film.
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
I did not know thatuntil I did this.
I didn't know thatuntil last night.
Oh, volleyball.
And they have these screensup, like,
you know, the ones at cricket,how they've got, like,
some news and like,maybe they'll play some.
They have books that come up.
Yep. And I looked I was like,oh shoot it, bang, bang.
(21:36):
And then I looked inthat said Ian Fleming.
I'm like, what?
So I had to quickly look it up.
Blew my mind.
That's not a coincidence.
Yeah, I'm there with youtalking about the informant.
Yeah. The daybefore the episode. Yeah, yeah.
I tried to bring it upas an interesting fact.
To blow your mind.
Would have been blowing. My mindwas pre blown. Pre. Brian
pre recording.
(21:56):
Brian also didn't realizethat there's more than one book.
Yes 12. Yeah 12.
I don't have the listof 12 banks.
But you'd recognize over it
what they've all been 24 banks
and 24 cities.
Moving on.
(22:17):
I loved Chitty Chitty Bang Bangwhen I was a kid.
Yeah,I just point that out great.
I also loved Brum.
So the books, boy,the James Bond novels.
Yeah.
In order, casino Royale.
Yeah.
Live and let Die two.
Casino Royale. Yep.
Moonraker. Yep.
(22:38):
Diamonds are. Forever.
Yeah.When was Moonraker written?
Because that'sthe one on the moon.
On the moon,right on a moon base.
I actually don't thinkI've seen Moonraker.
It was written,
5th of April, 1955.
Moonraker, unfortunately, starsRoger Moore.
My least favorite bond.
Sorry, sir. Roger Moore.
Hold, hold. Sean. Okay,
(23:01):
we'll get to it.
Holding court.
Sean ranks his favorite.
Moonrakerwas the one on the moon, right?
But the snob series buoyant boy
bond joinsem at blights to stop a member.
Sir Hugo Draxcheating at bridge.
Bond is subsequently secondand onto Drax the Staff.
(23:22):
The Moonraker Britain'sfirst nuclear missile project.
One discovers that Drax is an exNazi working for the Soviets.
He also establishes thatthe rocket is not a defense,
but is used to be, but is to beused by Drax to destroy London.
I think the one that happens onthe moon is actually doctor.
No, no, it's not the movie.
Moonrakerhas a different plot to the.
(23:43):
Okay, not vastly different plot.
Right? There you go.
Yes. Say it.
Moonraker, followedby Diamonds are Forever.
Then from Russia with love.
They all have such good name,doctor.
No, Goldfinger, for your eyesonly.
Thunderball.Don't know that one.
The spy who loved me.
(24:04):
Yeah. Shagged me. Yes.
By who? Shagged on Her Majesty'ssecret service.
Yeah. You only live. Twice.
The man with the golden gun.
Yeah.
I think this is one of the shortstory collections I could.
I knowthe one you're waiting for.
Octopussyand the Living Daylights.
Yeah, that that is it.
(24:25):
Remember I said before,
Austin Powers is basically justJames Bond?
There you go. Octopussy, right?
Of course.
That one of
an Fleming's female characters,it's called Pussy Galore.
Yeah.
Hey there's somewe get into something.
He's a. Thirsty man.
There's some other namesto like.
Yeah.
Anyway anyway he's.
GoldenEye one of the books.
Or is thatjust one of the movies?
(24:46):
I wasn't in the books.
No, I just just got rid of it
might be one of the shortstories.
It was also a movie. Yeah.
It is one of the movies.
Yeah, because it's that onethat gold members based on.
No gold membersbased on Goldfinger.
Right?
Course it's made of gold.
GoldenEye novelization.
Schmuck in a pen counting 95.So nice.
(25:08):
Yeah, it might have been a moviefirst.
Movie first. Yeah.
Okay, that'sthat's the 12. There.
There are other books written,but no.
On the 12th day of bond,as my Fleming gave to me.
But not written by Ian Fleming.
So they're, more bondnovels, but.
Yeah. Yeah, they're, like,handed it over. Correct.
He was a heavy smokerand drinker.
And suffereda heart attack in 1961.
(25:30):
He survived that onebut didn't fully recover.
And on August 11th, 1963,after a long and tiring day
with his friendsat the golf club,
he collapsed from another heartattack and passed away.
The following morning at age56, RIP
his last recorded wordswere to the ambulance drivers
apologizingfor inconvenience. Them.
(26:03):
So that's the creator
slash
author of bond, who's life
probably see where some ofthe inspiration comes from.
Yeah, all the shagging.
It is said a lot of charactersin bond come from inspirations
in Ian's real life, suchas his secretary from The Times
being the inspirationfor Miss Moneypenny.
Scaramanga, the main antagonist
(26:24):
from The Man with the GoldenGun, was named after a fellow
schoolboy at Eton Collegein fought with right.
Goldfinger was named afterBritish architect.
You know Goldfinger,whose work in abhorred
just. I don't think he knew me.
I just didn't like.
Is this guy building is so ugly.
(26:45):
I'm going to name an evilcharacter in my book about him.
Pretty much.
And James Bond himselfwasn't the first James Bond.
He wasnamed after someone as well.
BecauseFleming was an avid birdwatcher.
Okay. And owned a field guide.
Birds of the West Indies,authored by James Bond.
James Bond.
(27:06):
How did I never knowthat before now?
Yeah, Flemingwould tell the author.
No, we'll just swath that thisbrief, unromantic, Anglo-Saxon
and yet very masculine namewas just what I needed.
And so a second JamesBond was born.
He would also tellThe New Yorker
in an interview from 1962,when I wrote the first
(27:28):
1 in 1953, which,
earlier I said 1952, I don't oh,this is just quote from him.
I don't know if think this onemisremembered it or not,
but when I wrote the first1 in 1953, I wanted bond to be
an extremely dull, uninterestingman whom things happened.
I wanted himto be a blunt instrument.
When I was casting aroundfor a name for my protagonist,
(27:50):
I thought, oh my God,
James Bond is the dumbest nameI've ever heard.
Oh, get wrecked.
So yeah,
I feellike there's a bit of projection
there from the bird watching,but maybe.
Yeah, but.
Would you really complain after?
I'd be happyif A77 was called Iron Pain.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.So you're bang bang bang bang.
(28:11):
Come here. Let me kiss you.
Bang bang bang.
It's pretty much.
I could say it could be the nextJames Bond.
Yeah. Scrooge is Alba.
This guy.I think Henry Cavill's. Again.
We'll talk about.
Henry Cavill is notJames Bond. Why?
So we're going to go offscript a little bit here.
What is James Bond known for?
(28:31):
I think I mentioned a little bitin the start of the year.
A sneaky boy. Is sneaky boy.
He's the conceptthat I don't understand.
Right. Okay.
World's most famous spy.
Yeah. It doesn't.
It would make youa terrible spy. Correct?
The best spy nobody should know.
Yeah.
I think they mean thatin the sense of
for the viewerslash reader. Yeah.
No, no, no,don't do it. Like the thing.
(28:52):
Don't don't don't.You've done it.
You've got them getting better.
Every time
bond is found somewhere,they're always like, Mr.
Bond, they all know him.
Only the people within the evilorganization aspect.
They like,Mr. Bond, all the other.
Characters,
if they know him, why
they're not putting posters upeverywhere in these facilities.
(29:12):
That because they are secret
and all the other charactersthat go, Mr.
Bond were made again.
Meet himpreviously in the story.
That's the point.
Again,they made him put up a sign.
Don't let this guy in. This guy.
Every timethe villains meet him. Right.
They're unaware of James Bondas the entity.
They meet him.
He's just think he's James Bond.
And then laterwhen they're like, Mr.
(29:33):
Bond,it's like a new revelation.
I just think
beinga famous spy is an oxymoron.
He's not a famous spyin the universe of James Bond.
Oh, this is. This is good.
Remember this argument?
No, I don't have it again.
Lateron, when we get to a man called
Tommy.
(29:54):
I have this argumentall the time about,
like,is the world set on our world?
And if so, is it this?
It gets real matter real fast.
I'm tired.
It's it's it's good.
That's good.
I'm glad you bring that upbecause
we're going to get to it.
Yeah. Okay.
But what else ishe known for? Like cars.
Yeah. Gadgets. Yeah.
Oh, women.
Women? Yes.
(30:14):
Getting the poster high.
Not necessarily.
You want what a cop.
But yeah. You got a cat that,
Oh, the bond girl.
The bondgirls have become a famous.
Yeah, a famous thing.
We all have our favorite.
Gadgets
saving the world.
I can'tI can't say anything right now
(30:34):
because I'm gonna say somethingfilthy.
You gotta say somethingfeels good.
I have to get myselfcut from the whole episode.
Oh, the the tuxedo?
Yeah. Martinis. Martinis.
Shaken, not stirred.
The most awful wayto have a martini.
This being very likeif he was a daddy character,
he would have, like,Max charisma, right? You reckon?
Yeah.
Max. Charisma.
Yeah. Yeah.
Also, it taste and drinks.
(30:55):
Max specificity in his stuff.
Right? Yeah.
I'd come up first of allif I'd come out of his crime.
Tastes like crap. Secondly.
Like what?
Like, okay, let's take a spiritthat tastes like something.
Let's swap it with a spiritthat tastes like nothing
and just just drink for me.
Maybe just.
Just drink cold. Vamoose.
Maybe he just drinksthe worst vodka.
That actually does tastelike something, did I?
(31:16):
I don't knowhow to make a martini,
but don't shake it anyway, youknow, you stir. Oh, okay. Yeah.
If you shakeit, it bruises the alcohol.
It doesn't.
It just makes it.
That breaks up the ice too much.
It's a stupid wayto make a martini.
It's disgusting.
Traugott got scared.
I don't know what accent it was.So on.
The character of bondisn't really modeled
(31:37):
after one single person,
but more of an amalgamationof different people in you.
I mentioned him earlierand he's competent at school,
but Peter Fleming,Dean's one year
older brother, is consideredas one of the inspirations.
Okay.
Actually, at one pointPeter was more famous than and
they shared a similar childhood.
And in 1932, Peterwent to Brazil
(31:58):
in search of the lostexplorer, Colonel Percy
Fawcett, to which he publisheda book a year later,
Brazilian Adventure
Why Now?
I had to.
That book sold quicklyinto World of Crime
and My Peter,a popular travel writer.
Yeah.
Peter also worked
in naval intelligenceand worked closely with Ian.
(32:20):
They were both awareof each other's work,
and one of the thingsPeter had to plan
was underground resistance.
If Nazi Germany invaded England,
some would say pretty important.
Yeah, we need to put together.
Peter also spent timebehind enemy lines in Norway and
Greece.
Sadly, in 1947, Peterfell from a horse while hunting
and suffered a crushedpelvis. Oh.
(32:42):
He never physically recoveredand had to retire from travel.
Writing.
So as his star faded,his younger brothers Cary.
I can see how crushed pelvis inthe 40s would be difficult
to recover from.
Wilford Standard dial.
Right? Yeah.
Who everyone called. Beefy,
big, beefy.
(33:03):
Even though he had a thickEnglish accent.
Beefy spoke Russianlike a native.
He was recruited.
He was recruited early in ageto the Secret Intelligence
Service number six, and rosequickly through the ranks.
He was first stationedin Constantinople and helped
the lost Sultan Mohammed
the sixth,
(33:25):
not with an eye.
I Mohammed managed.
Did you just sound like
you don't know how to saythe way I'm doing?
It's Mehmed, the.
Sixth member of the sixth.
It sounds like.
It's a Mughals don't make David.
Mad. Man.
Like if I did. Sultan.
(33:47):
Mehmed. II didn't.
To safely depart Constantine
Constantinople after the fallof the Ottoman Empire.
He also had a role in crackingthe Enigma code,
eventually becoming the headof the mystic Station in Paris.
Bowery.
He was a man who enjoyedluxuries, things much like iron,
and was known to wearhandmade suits with fancy
(34:10):
French cufflinks, drovean armor plated Rolls-Royce.
He also lived the lifestyleof hard drinking and womanizing,
and was ready to throw downin a fistfight that's beefy.
Beefy and Ian were friendsduring World War Two.
In the intelligence office,and beefy
would often point to his storiesin the bond novels and climb.
They werelifted from his own life.
(34:30):
Yeah, I'd do that,too, if I knew Ian Fleming.
Oh, yeah, I rememberwhen that happened to me.
Yeah.
I mean, he was sneaking out.
Sultan. Yeah. That's true.
The next man,
Dusko Popov.
Okay.
The triple agent or quadrupleagent?
Serbian born.
He lived a lavish lifestyle,
(34:51):
but also earneda doctorate in law.
So you probably know dum dum
Popov was encouragedto join the Abwehr.
The German secret service.
I'm guessing, is the other.
Is it the other Germany?
German?
The Nazi secret service,which he did, then immediately
(35:12):
walked into the British Embassy
and offered his servicesto them as a double agent.
Hey, I'm now a Nazi.
Can I be you guys?
Yeah.
He's codename for the VOA,
which is the Serbian SecretService.
Was that guy,which is just. He's not sorry.
That's a really good codename.
MI6 called him tricycle.
And the other.
Ian. Cool.
(35:34):
Petroff was good atstealing money from the Nazis.
Well, when I say good,I mean the Nazis would
give him money for a mission,and then he would just go
give it to Mrx.
Hey, had.
How did you go with the mission?
It was a failure.
Oh, duh.
This is how he met in an.
Open house with a good coat.
Oh, don't worry about that.
(35:56):
Bob was carrying
$40,000 in 1941, and Ianwas assigned as his escort.
I think $40,000, 941something to.
Pay $3.8 billion.
I think it's. About 800,000there.
Yeah.
What what I off he.
Got an Iron Cross.
Yeah.
Was a double agent.
They gave him an Iron Cross.
(36:16):
He has a Nazi German award.
It was the means.He was a good double.
Double agent.
They wouldn'the wouldn't. Keep that.
And an orderof the British Empire.
Do you keep both?
I don't know, data. Name is Tom.
Yeah.
Yeah.Okay. Do you know what that is?
Yeah. That's the name, right?Yeah. Pink and black.
Not black and white.That's black and white. Cookie.
(36:36):
Hey, hey. Bow ties.
May have been a long timeslot on Danish.
Top. Yeah, I start after thisbecause they.
Filled in marshmallow on my.
Tummy. Are they.
Yeah. They are, are they. Yeah.
You need to start off this.
Tell me about a 24 hour bakery.
Not in Brisbane.
Adelaide. Yeah it's true.That's not going to happen.
So he was his escortand he would witness an event
(36:56):
at the Estoril Casino Estoril.
Yeah.
Pepper's bluffing.
Place a $40,000bet at the back of that table
in order to make a rivalwithdrawal.
That is a major plot pointin Casino Royale.
I also like to live dangerously.
But that pretty. Much I have 21.
(37:17):
I also like to live dangerously.
Stop quoting Austin Powers.
He's talkingabout important stuff.
Talking about a real manthat so that human man.
Not pretty much happening casinoRoyale like from a saying.
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah.
Now I say quadruple agentbecause later
the Nazis required Petrovto spy on the Americans.
(37:39):
So the Britishlearned him to them.
The British learned him. Yep.Yeah.
There was also some saying that,
this guy warnedthe head of the FBI
that the attack on PearlHarbor was coming, and the FBI
just either ignored it or didnothing about it. I,
going through all that stuff.
This guy seems likeit could have been an episode.
I mean, yeah.Keep him in your pocket.
(38:00):
That's whyI haven't gotten caught.
That's kind of whyI haven't gone to.
Too deep into it. Yeah.
Forrest.
Frederick Gump.
No, not forest. Gump.
Forest. FrederickI said Forrest dump.
That's the, porno parody of. Ha!
Okay, no.
Forest or the dump truck.
Or dump. Frederick.
(38:21):
Sorry. Edwin. Yo, Thomas.
Known as Tommy.
Yep. Codename seahorse.
And known by the Gestapoonly as White Rabbit.
Seahorse?
Can you? Asshole nickname like.
You're getting your spy name.
You're like,come on, Bengal tiger.
(38:42):
Come on. It's like. I'm going.
I mean, asexual marine creaturethat swims with no eyes. Like
they are a silly looking animal.
Having recently beento Underwater World, a
very clearly adult,but my mom loves them.
Sequels is a great. Yeah.
So this guy was known onlyas White Rabbit to the Gestapo.
(39:03):
Okay.He was known to the Gestapo boy.
Yep, I wasI wouldn't want to be known.
Remember this argumentyou were just having?
Yeah.
Keep that in mind. Yeah.
So he's known he's a famous spy.You're right.
Tommy was drop behind linesvia parachute
three timesinto occupied France.
And in Ian's memoirs,he wrote of his fascination
(39:24):
with his fascinationof the missions Tommy conducted,
including oneslike when Tommy was captured
by the Gestapoand was sent to the notorious
Buchenwald
yep, concentration camp,
before escaping and shootingan enemy agent.
Right?
I don't know much about thatconcentration camp,
(39:44):
but I can't imagineit was one of the good ones.
If it was notorious.
They're a good concentrationcamp.
Oh, really?
I mean, depends relativelike you talk
about, like, comparisonto some of the bad ones.
That might be a good one.
Oh. Geez.
That's a pretty bleak scale.
That's not a good one, Sean.
(40:05):
Okay. Yeah.
Moving on.
As I said, I don't think there'sany good concentration.
No, I know or considering,like our standards today. No.
Well, I can't even then.
What do you mean goldstandards today.
But to today's prisons.
Putsch and vault spell isno no no no no I don't I.
Don't think we need. Towe don't need to talk about it.
(40:26):
So in a moment in thestory From Russia with love,
it parallelsone of Tommy's exploits.
Tommy was being hunted by Nazisand boarded a train for Paris,
inadvertently, inadvertentlysetting himself next to Klaus.
Bobby.
You know who that is now?
He was a high ranking Gestapoofficer, right?
(40:47):
So he just sat downnext to one of the.
Leading Gestapo officers.
Yeah, correct.
Famous spy, remember? Yes.
Keeping his cool.
He struck up a conversationwith Klaus,
even having dinner with himbefore slipping away.
When the train arrived in Paris.
That's pretty cool.
So you can be a famous spyand still be a good spy.
Okay, but this is like.
Sitting across from a man knownas the Butcher of Leon.
(41:11):
I think he probably did havea photo of him.
That's the same name.
Yeah, that's a nickname.
I don't think that wasa good reason.
Was that was that Klaus? Barbie?Nicholas. Bobby or class?
Bobby?
Yeah. I don't ever
want to become knownas the butcher or something.
That always feels a bitall regulatory.
I reckon
the Gestapocould be in episode two,
because I don't knowtoo much about it, so I reckon.
(41:32):
I don't think that's going to bea fun episode.
I don't didn'tthat was going to be fun.
Maybe interesting.
HeinrichHimmler was an awful man.
Awful man. Yeah.
Yeah.
The Holocaust episodenot coming soon. No.
But, you know,if you want to watch
a dramatization of it,to sort of understand things.
Hitler'sCircle of Evil on Netflix.
Not bad, not bad.
(41:54):
What's thewhat's the movie with?
You mentioning before
he played Byfieldin the recent bond movie.
Oh, you're thinking of ChristophWaltz? Yes.
He was also in, like,Inglorious Bastards.
Was that.Is that where he plays it?
I was going to joke thatit was inglorious.
He plays anSS like an SS member.
(42:15):
Terrifying SS member. Yeah.
Absolutely terrifying for.
A moviethat's kind of almost satire.
Yeah, almost.
He was terrifying. And then.
Right.
That's such a good movie.
Yeah, such a good actorand everything that he's in,
I actually. Yeah, he'sDjango Unchained. Awesome.
I haven't seen thatbecause it's awesome.
Django Unchainedhave a have a big toilet break.
(42:36):
Yeah.
The twist is far too early.Okay.
I was like, I'm so tired.
I was in the cinema like,holy crap.
He's yeah, he's a pretty actor.Anyway.
What what's that famous scenein Inglorious Bastards
where Brad Pitt walks inand just butchers the Italian?
Well, Okay, so do we have time?
That's also the one where Marcofirst is like,
order threeand he does it the wrong way.
(42:57):
Yes, he does itthe wrong way. Am I.
Right? Are the wrong way.That's a long way.
I think the wrong way is theGerman way.
Yeah. Yes. So,
Bongiorno.
That's it. Yeah.
He walks in and apparently.
Every Texas accent.
So the context.
The context for this is BradPitt's character is quite in
quite overthe top and quite overt.
(43:18):
However, he didn't actually tellany of the other cast members
that he was going to do itbecause he wasn't
actually supposed to do that.
He was supposed to speakItalian,
the same as the other guys.
He's supposed to kind of do itproperly,
and he didn't tell anybody.
So when they go to speak to one,he goes, Bongiorno.
And everyone just looks shockedbecause that's a real reaction.
He didn't tell anyonethat was creative license.
And then then QuentinTarantino was like,
(43:41):
I fuck with that. That's good.
Keep going.
That's good. Yeah.
So yeah,
White Rabbit slipped awaywhen they try to get the pass
bounced away.
That's right up to it.
Then there was WilliamStevenson,
the international spymaster
best knownas his codename intrepid Sea.
That's a good codename.
(44:01):
Ian once wrote
bond, a highly romanticizedversion of a true spy.
The real thing.
The man who becameone of the greatest agents
of the Second WorldWar is William Stephenson.
So he's writtendown that bond is heavily
inspired by William Stephenson,and he fits the bill well.
Let me rattle off a few points
as wellas some personality traits.
He was a boxing champion,a World War one ace,
(44:25):
like a fighter pilot,ace entrepreneur.
Now a tennis ace.
Could have been. What a serve.
Entrepreneur you are.
An inventor, an internationalmillionaire businessman,
was a friend of WinstonChurchill
and loved martinis and good foodand said that he.
Couldn't be all.
He said.
It was said that
this William Stephenson madeone of the strongest martinis,
(44:48):
and served him in court glasses.
He was also a bachelor,
which means he was knighted,but wasn't part
of any of the organized ordersof chivalry.
Later in Stephenson's life,
he founded aschool for spies in New York.
This is where
he met him andprobably heard of his stories,
which many of many of whichare still classified today.
(45:10):
This is rumor and speculation.
The, Gold Fingerstory is based on an operation
Stephenson craftedbut never got to carry out.
So it's just like,that's what people believe.
Then there's Sidney Riley, theace of spies, Ukrainian born.
He was a master of disguiseand con games recruited into MI6
as he had deep contacts with thenewly formed Communist Russia.
(45:34):
He was an invaluable spy.
He would recruit double agentsand he was very good at it.
Coming from Russia, he was likegetting these guys and yeah,
how about you playfor the other team?
In 1917, he tried organizingan assassination
of the Bolshevik leaders,
which failed,and he fled to England,
but was lured back in 1925,where he was arrested
and executed.
(45:55):
Being that Ian workedin the naval intelligence
and had mutual friends
royalties and hadaccess to his career records,
there are many others.
There's a whole list of others
like WorldWar two, spies and stuff.
But I'm gonna finishwith someone
who was closer to homethan you think.
Sidney Cottononly press born Queensland
and growing up in a Hidden Valehomestead.
(46:18):
Cotton insists in, cotton,instead of working the farm
as his father did,
left Australia at the age of 20and joined the Royal Naval
Air Service.
He established himselfas a ladies man.
It sounds like every spain the mid 20s and 30s did.
He was an entrepreneur,a pilot and a spy
working for Essex in the leadup to World War two.
But what did cotton dofor the Brits?
(46:40):
He would repeatedly fly overGermany,
taking photos of everythingwith strategic value
naval bases, munition facilitiesand airfields,
even once taking a photoof Hitler's personal yacht.
He was ableto do this as he was operating
under a dummy corporationposing as a businessman,
film directoror an archeologist.
Even thoughmost of his flight plans
(47:01):
were dictatedby German government,
he often got awaywith flying off track.
It was he was kind of knownfor being that kind of.
Yeah, I've thought of talkingabout other things.
Why did you fly directlyover the Fury yacht?
Check it out.
He's plane was outfittedwith hidden cameras
that had sliding panelsto conceal them.
One of the planes on the ground,
and could be activatedby a button press
(47:22):
that was locatedunder the pilot's seat.
So cool.
That's like a there's, like,one in the fuselage.
In the wings? Yeah.
Couldn'teven embarked on a daring stunt
having an officer,Albert Quisling.
Kesselring,pilot Cotton's plane along
the Rhine Riverto visit an alleged maiden aunt
to like an unmarried aunt.
(47:43):
Yeah, we come check out my aunt.
I think if she didn't exist.
Instead, cotton was operatingthe button under the seat,
taking photos
of fortifications and airfieldof its German officer.
Play the play.
Cotton flew back to Berlin
mid 1939and offered to fly Hermann
Göring back to England for peacetalks.
Hitler put a stop to thatand cotton flew
(48:04):
the last civilian planeout of Berlin
before the outbreak of WorldWar Two.
In 1939, cotton and he met
and hit it off immediately,becoming very good friends.
Cotton also loved the gadgets,
inventing the C,the flying suit,
which solvedthe problem of pilots
keeping warm in the cockpitas they change
from high to low altitudes.
And it was this trait that manybelieve having has inspired Q
(48:29):
Bond's quartermaster,who came up with quirky devices
such as flame throwing bagpipes.
Put that one infusion.
Cotton died
February 15th, 1969, in Sussex,England, at the age of 74.
You knew that was coming.You were ready for that? Yeah.
And has a tombstone and plaquedetailing his life
and exploits in Toledo,which is just west of Ipswich.
(48:54):
If we can get thereat the moment.
Hidden veil is likejust Grantchester, pretty much,
which is also just westof Ipswich.
Yeah.
Anyway, Boy and Slappy,
that was some of the real lifeinspirations for James Bond.
How many James Bond movies
have you seenand who's your favorite bond.
Got to be? Connery.
(49:14):
It's got to be Connery.
Interestingly,I also read that Connery
was Ian Fleming's.
Least. Favorite bond.
Well,he only kind of saint Connery
because he died before he. Diedbefore the rest of them.
But he did not want Connery,James Bond.
He thought he was too much of a.
He thought he was too rough.
Too rough for a mundane topic.
Yeah, he thought he was ahe thought he was bushy.
(49:36):
Yeah. Like he came in and he hadthis thick, like Ian Fleming.
Like he came in.
He had this terribleScottish accent,
like, was all grumpy about itbecause Sean Connery did have a
difficult to understandScottish accent
while they film Doctor No.
He had a lot of speechtherapy and coaching.
Yeah.
There's a universally agreedworst bond,
and it was that guythat did one like Tim something.
(49:57):
Oh since I Tim Schafer.
But it's not that. No.So you've got.
Tim Schafer the one that doesthe music on Letterman.
Now. He's a game director.
He does a directed games like,
Anyway, soI personally don't like Pierce.
Pierce Brosnan.
Won't say I grew upwith. Timothy Dalton. Timothy.
That's it.
(50:17):
Well, let's go throughthe list of George Lazenby.
Only one had a few.
It was Sean Connery.
Sean entering, Roger Moore.
Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton.
And then while George Lazenbywas before all of that.
So it was Sean Connery,George Lazenby, then
Roger Moore. Yeah.
Right. No, then Sean Conneryagain, and then Roger Moore.
(50:39):
Well, Sean Connery again,because he did.
He did never say never,which is.
Technically not.One of the ball.
Yeah, it'sjust a remake of Thunderball.
And it was awful, butit was in the 80s. Those don't.
Yeah, but it wasn't made by MGMor something like that.
So it'stechnically not a bond movie.
So SeanConnery, then George Lazenby,
and then Sean Connerymade some more bond films.
Not that one.He made another film. Yeah.
(51:01):
Then Roger Moore,which I don't like Roger Moore,
but he had the most movies,then Timothy Dalton.
And Pierce Brosnan. Well,then there was a big gap.
But yeah.
Pierce Brosnanand then Daniel Craig.
Brosnan, Daniel Craig. Yeah.
And now it's bought by Amazonprobably.
Yeah.
People are worried that it'sgoing to end up being a TV show.
(51:22):
Rather than talking of IdrisElba being the next bond,
I think Henry Cavill would makea good bond.
No, he's tooAmerican. He's too American.
English, I don't care.
He's tooAmerican. He's white Superman.
They were talking about himdoing
it years ago,but he was too young.
Now he'sin the age range, right?
I like I'd say Idris Elba.
(51:42):
I can I would like to say IdrisElba as well.
I'd also like to see HenryCavill.
Yeah, I'ma big Henry Cavill fans.
I don't.
I don't even know if he justl was the right kind of guy.
Who is like, I don't know.
Everyone was like, oh my God.
Daniel Craig,a blond James Bond who.
Could do it?
Hear me up Robert Pattinson.
(52:03):
Yeah, Panting could do it.
Pattinsoncould be a pretty good bond.
I think he's. In that twoyoung stage probably.
I think he needs to be about40 to be.
He is about 40.
Is he? Yeah, he looks. 12.
Maybe. Yeah.
I'm getting closeto getting. Close to 40.
Because he would have been in.
He's like,oh, I vote. For Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran isthe next James Bond hot off.
So you've been listening to.
(52:25):
Good my boy.
Good story. On bombshell.
Well yeah I, I yeahyou don't have to be Sean
Connery is the favorite bond.
Yeah. From Russia With loveis my favorite.
It's simple TatianaRomanova is the best bond girl.
Full stop.
Sorry everybody TatianaRomanova is the best bond girl.
The train storyline is very,very fascinating.
The simplicity of it. It's it'sawesome.
(52:45):
It's not too nonsensical.
Like you don't have a character
called Pussy Galore,for God's sake.
Oh, there
some other really weird namestoo, like Titania,
a couple of something.
I think you knowTatiana Romanova.
Yeah, that's a very normalRussian name.
No, no, it was something elsethat was over the top.
It didn't.
It was along the lines of,like, Pussy Galore.
Anyway, we've experienceda little bit of that
(53:05):
kind of 60s era spy stuff.
You've been playing a VR game?
Oh, yeah.I expected to die. Yeah.
I wouldn't saythat's in the same.
Kind of inspiration is. True.
Yeah, it's it's definitelythat 60s spy esthetic.
Yeah.
Very fun.That game is so much fun.
You play as, like, a secretagent in VR
(53:26):
and you've got to, like,do puzzles to each level.
Was like a little escape room.Yeah.
Set to a story of there'san evil genius trying to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. We should wrap up.
It has been a wonderful littleseries that you've done, boy.
And I say thank you. Yeah.So that wraps it up. Yeah.
What did you start with?
You sort of started with U-boatsin the Atlantic Ocean.
(53:49):
That's right.
Anyone who left the operationmaster postmaster, which was
taking out the reinforced likethe resupply of the U-boats.
And James Bond.
Interestingly enough, I justremembered I forgot to touch on,
the head guy from Operation Post
Match gas marks Phillips,which was also believed
to be one of the inspirationsfor James Bond.
(54:10):
You touched on that last time.
Yeah.
So and then that'show we ended up with Jimmy B.
Well it's been fun.
Yeah.
It's time to wrap up.
Thank youvery much for listening.
Hope you have awonderful evening.
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