Barbarian 2022 review / Richard's eerie experience at The Villisca Axe Murder House

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Laura (00:29):
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Hello everyone, welcome back.
We're going to be reviewing themovie the barbarian 2022 now.

(01:25):
This movie obviously is not newand didn't come out this year,
but it was new for me and it wasnew for laura because we hadn't
seen it.
Where the hell were we on 2022that we didn't?

Laura (01:35):
see this.
I don't know, but the way thatwe came about watching this
movie was because I startedtalking to my co-workers about
like the fact that we all likehorror movies and whatever.
We all had like a niceconversation about our interests
and they both agreed that thebarbarian was a good movie to
watch and that it was.
I can't remember what wordsthey used, but it was like a

(01:55):
something that made me directlyask like what do you mean?
Like, is it nasty, is it gory?
Like what do you mean by that?
That it's like a crazy story.
I don't know if they the wordcrazy, but they use a word that
left me wondering, like whatthey meant, because I feel like
I've seen enough movies where Ikind of know like what category
they fall in in like scary slashhorror, like what type?

(02:17):
Like supernatural, is it like agory movie or is it like a
traumatizing, unsettlingstoryline, all of that?
So they were like they're likeit's nasty, like there's a
little bit of gore, but you'llsee if you watch it.
And I was kind of like thatdoesn't really help, I'm so
confused.
And then the barbarian like Iwas thinking about barbara and

(02:37):
the barbarian like I thought itwas gonna be like an old,
ancient movie like a warrior, awarrior stuff that's the first
thing that comes into my head towhen I hear it.

Esme (02:45):
Because of Conan, I didn't think it was gonna be like an
old ancient movie like a warrior, a warrior stuff.

Laura (02:47):
That's the first thing that comes into my head to what
I hear it because the conan Ididn't think it was gonna be
like.
Modern is what I'm saying, andin the sense of like it's like
in the 20, uh, after the 21stcentury, like that in itself.
When I saw the preview onamazon prime that's where I
rented it on I saw that the girlwas in a car.
Like the house looked like ahouse from nowadays.
I'm like, wait, wait, what likethis doesn't take place in the
ancient times?

Esme (03:06):
Okay, weird and guess what ?
You can watch it on hulu forfree.

Laura (03:10):
Really??
no listeners, it's on hulu,which is dumb because I have a
hulu yeah, and we purchased iton prime but anyways, who cares?
yeah, so I ordered it and Iwatched it with like two people.
The other girl that I watchedit with, vanessa, shout out to
Vanessa.
We were both, like, frombeginning to end, on edge, and
for me the word stunned meanslike you're like without words,
that you don't know what justhappened.

(03:31):
You don't know what's happeningnext.
I was literally stunned fromthe moment it started to the end
, and I'll say this that Ihaven't watched a movie, I don't
think in like the last fiveyears or more, that has made me
feel like that.

Esme (03:44):
And what is like that?

Laura (03:46):
I can't think of a movie that has actually made me feel
that way, which is what we wantto know what no I don't know,
I'm thinking like I don't think.
Now that I'm thinking about itmore, I don't think a movie has
ever made me feel like that,like how, what's that?
I just said, stunned, like frombeginning to end.
I thought you were gonna expressmore so, yeah, like the other
girl I was watching it with, shebit her.
She said I bit all my nails off, like we were not even like

(04:07):
according to the movie.
So, whatever, I told Esmeralda,like we have to, you have to
watch this movie.
Like you have to watch it now,like tonight, and then it's so
crazy?

Esme (04:16):
because I actually have.
I had it saved on my phone assomething to possibly watch.
Why?
Because my phone knows that Ilike horror movies, so it
randomly suggests movies to mesometimes and it was one that it
threw at me like, oh, have youseen this?
You should watch it.
My phone, you know how phonesdo that, but anyways, it was.
I had saved it, and when youtold me the title to watch it,
I'm like, oh, you know what?

(04:37):
I think I have it on my towatch list but I've never seen
it or heard of it before.
It was just my phone telling me, you know.
Okay, let's get to the overviewso we know what we're talking
about.
So on here per google.
It says a young woman discoversa rental home she booked is
already occupied by a stranger.
Against her better judgment,she decides to spend the night
but soon discovers there's a lotmore to fear than just the

(04:59):
unexpected house guest and then,if just a reminder, I'm like
the thriller girl over here.

Laura (05:04):
So when I read that on the preview I was like, oh, I
for sure want to watch ittonight because it was it was
nighttime, it was a friday, Ihad like nothing to do.
So I was like, oh, this soundslike a good movie that's gonna
like have a twist, which it does.
It has like three or two, butstill my like like that whole
overview that you just read is alittle misleading because it
makes you feel like it's adifferent type of thriller, but

(05:24):
it's like actually like full-onhorror movie it's true, there's
a lot more to fear than just theunexpected.
I just finished watching athriller on netflix and I liked
it.
It crossed my mind like, oh, wecould review this one.
But I'm like, wait, no, wecan't because it's not a horror
movie, it's more full onthriller.
So that's what I thought thisone was going to be categorized
under, like one that maybe wecan't even review.

(05:46):
But like no, like now I'mtelling you, now I understand
everything that my co-workersare saying and I wanted to text
him in that moment, like I justwatched it.

Esme (05:53):
I know what you meant, but I was like, nah, it's a weekend
leave him alone, but I I toldhim come monday so you could
continue on with the overviewwell, that was basically the
overview, but I mean it doesgive you a hint, like okay,
that's not just like what theproblem is, but like it just
tells you there's a lot more tofear than just the unexpected
house guest.
So can't lose it open, likeyeah, that was not the problem.
The problem is something else.

(06:13):
It just leaves it very open.

Laura (06:16):
Watch we'll just get into it.

Esme (06:17):
I like that's one of the things that I like, because it
was unexpected I thought the badperson was someone that at the
end, wasn't, and I think thatwas part of the point.
Yeah, and I love that they didthat and shout out to bill
what's his name?

Laura (06:30):
skars gard that opens the door.
And I was like what?
Because, I'm telling you, whenI clicked the movie, I didn't
know who was gonna be in themovie.

Esme (06:37):
So when I saw it, I was like what what a treat.
It's so funny we still call him" yeah, no matter where he
comes out, we're like yeah, he'sit.

Laura (06:46):
And my dad was even like hey, that's it so that's how
famous he is like to someonewho's not even into movies or
anything like he knew yeah, andhe didn't have the makeup on and
my dad's like, oh, his eyes,what the hell.
And I was like, yeah, that's IT.

Esme (06:57):
okay, damn, I think I was gonna say this nothing to do
with the movie.
I was gonna say that earlierwhen you said, like, oh, it was
a Friday night, we had nothingto do.
Remember Faded Fright Nights?
Yes, I do.
Fun fact.
Fun fact you guys are listeningto Chicas Cucuy, but in another
, parallel universe you guyswould be listening to Faded
Fright Nights and that came fromus wanting to do things like a

(07:19):
Friday night and we were goingto release these stories or
reviews on friday nights.
And we still give a little nodto it in the beginning of our
podcast, because we still hearthe little clink in the
beginning.
So it's a little fun fact.
You guys ever wonder why we doa cheers?
It's because originally itwould have been faded right
nights and we would have beendrinking probably right, yeah,
but then we didn't want to sounddrunk or slurring, so we

(07:42):
scrapped that idea we wanted totake a professional route.
Yeah, let's be professional,professional- ish, because I'm
not gonna say we're professional, okay, so, anyways, okay.
So, in a nutshell, theydescribe it as unsettling,
harrowing and eerie it's morethan more than eerie and
harrowing and unsettling.
Unsettling for sure.

Laura (08:01):
But harrowing and eerie those more.
No, stunning sounds toopositive, it's like terrifying
traumatizing yeah terrifying.
Terrifying is a good word forit this is not a horror.
It was a terror movie.
I give this movie like 15 outof 10.
That's how.
I can't even wait to rate it atthe end of the show, like I did
it right now, because that'show good it is, all right so
we're gonna give a shout out tozach crager the, the director.

Esme (08:24):
Great job, great job.

Laura (08:27):
Do you want to mention that?
Like I did know who the actresswas.
I don't know if you know whoshe was.
Yeah, I remember her from aBlack Mirror episode.

Esme (08:33):
Yeah, I remembered her too .
I couldn't.
I think it was till the endthat I was like where have I
seen her?
I was like thinking about it.

Laura (08:45):
But you but you know I was happy for her that she got
like a bigger role.
I mean, black mare is also areally big franchise and it's
probably like a big step to bein involved in that, you know, a
production of black mare.
But I thought this movie wascool like because she had like a
really good co-star that'ssuper famous and then, yeah,
like you said, she had a mainrole.

Esme (08:58):
Yeah, good for her a little bit more about the cast,
so yeah, so that was georginacampbell, which we're talking
about, tess, which she was likethe main protagonist that was
terrorized and then, okay, billskarsgård goes without saying
and, of course, when we see himin this movie, I immediately
thought, oh my god, he's gonnabe some psycho ass guy that's

(09:19):
gonna kill her.
He's the barbarian, like rightaway.
Because, also, I went into thismovie without having any like
background information at all,so just by you telling me, oh,
you have to watch it, drop whatyou're doing, whatever you're
doing, watch it now.
And I was like, okay, no, yeah,the crazy part is that zach
crager, which he's here in thecast, is also the director and

(09:40):
he had a little mini little partthat he gave himself and I
think it was because there wasno one to fill in, so he it was
like a friend of the.
There's like three main stars inthis in the movie.
Yeah, so in the first half,bill skarsgård he doesn't
actually get far as far as wewant him to.
He's like in the first half ofthe movie, right.
So like if the movie was like,if there was like an
intermission and an act one andact two, he would be an act one

(10:04):
mention the jeepers creepersactor.

Laura (10:06):
He's another really good actor that hasn't made a part
two he hasn't made a debut in awhile.
Who?

Esme (10:11):
we talking about justin long.
Yeah, Justin Long.
It's weird because justin longI always see him like in like
other kind of movies.
I don't, I forgot about you.

Laura (10:20):
I forgot he was in jeepers creepers, that's what I
know him from jeepers creepersreally well, yeah, and he's
right here in another horrormovie and I thought it was cool,
because I haven't.
I have maybe okay, so nevermind you, you know he's a still
active actor.
I I didn't know that, yeah,just I've never seen him since
that's funny.

Esme (10:36):
No, I remember him from Drag me to hell.
Well, you know what he doescome out in horror movies.
Oh yeah, drag me to hell, buthe's never like a scary person
or a bad person, right, healways does, usually like uh, uh
, como se llama?
Like a good boyfriend.
Yeah, like he like he has likea good boyfriend, like he seems
like cool or like sometimes he'slike funny, like he's like
always like a good guy, you know, like in in movies.
So jeepers, creepers, barbarian.

(10:58):
Obviously he came out indodgeball, see, that's the thing
.
I remember him also coming outin funny movies like dodgeball.
Galaxy quest has a darkness testlive free or die hard, accepted
.
Alvin and the chipmunks, cometidiocracy waiting.
So like dear david, it's awonderful knife.
So I guess he does have horrormovies, the way christmas with
the campbells.
He's well-rounded creep show,jsn bob reboot, vhs and beyond.

(11:20):
So that's kind of hard.
Also clerks three.
So yeah, he definitely comesout in different kind of movies,
but I never see him as like anevil person.
Look at his face.
He looks all like a nice littleguy, that's like harmless.
But anyways, in this movie heis like a diva, um and a mega
jerk, right, like we.

Laura (11:40):
That's what I meant yeah, like we go in, like he's like
very entitled, like I'm I'm astar, like yeah because he does
like, and plays AJ and he'slike a jerk boy.

Esme (11:48):
When we find that out, like as soon as we see him, at
first we were like okay,whatever, but you know what?
That he's an act two.

Laura (11:54):
So let's go back to act one like talk about it, shout
out like damn.

Esme (11:58):
Another, another, really cool actor and then like the
other ones that like play a bigpart, obviously are the mother,
which we'll talk about her later.
He plays a lady, the scary one.
What?

Laura (12:08):
the hell.

Esme (12:09):
Why?
Because they needed an ugly assbroad, so like they made him an
ugly lady, it should have beenthis one, Richard Brake, he was
the, so yeah.

Laura (12:22):
Well, it should have been a freaking woman too.

Esme (12:27):
That's because he looks shot out right there.
Okay, are we leaving that inthere?

Laura (12:31):
I don't know okay no, yeah, we can leave it there
because it's not.
It's not his fault, it's notour fault that google decided to
put an ugly picture so, okay,let's not put that.

Esme (12:38):
Anyways, the plane was passing by, okay, so.
And then, of course, uh, shoutout to the mother, which is
played by matthew patrick daviswe didn't know who he was
because he was in full makeupand richard brake, who is frank,
and he is like a vital,terrible role here.
There's a bunch of otheractresses, but I guess they
played smaller parts, because Idon't remember who cares about

(12:59):
that.
We didn't talk about hey,where's the oldest guy?
Oh, here is james butler.
Hey, you try to help, and thendied at the end.
And then Robert, he was like aneighbor, which was Will
Greenberg, and then KurtBraunholder, derek Morris, blah,
blah, blah.
I don't remember half of thesepeople that are in this movie.

Laura (13:16):
Yeah, like I said, I mean thank you for contributing to
such a great movie, but we don'tknow where you came out in or
we don't remember you, so you'renot going to be mentioned.

Esme (13:24):
but good job for I mean, I mentioned them some.

Laura (13:26):
Yeah, we'll let do it.
Okay.
So let's start with the initialscene of a rainy night, which
already is like the worstpossible situation in my opinion
, because why are you going toroll up to airbnb, try to find
all that stuff with your likeokay, so let's mentally, let's
mentally I rented a lot and Iknow what it is to like.
You need to have all thatbeforehand.
And she was over therewrestling with, like her things,

(13:48):
her phone, trying to find thepin I'm like girl, you don't
have that written down alreadyor like the crazy part is that
she did have it.

Esme (13:54):
It just didn't work at first, right.

Laura (13:55):
But remember that she was looking at houses like unsure
which one it was like all ofthat, I don't know besides, it
was rainy, it was like pitchblack, like there was no lights.

Esme (14:04):
So she was driving, driving, driving trying to find
that was really sad and finally,okay, she's following her gps
or whatever, right, because shegets there and then she's like
as it is I mean, when it's rainyand dark, you can't see shit.
Even you could be in your ownstreet and everything looks like
you can't even see nothing,right?
So she's over here like whatthe hell?
Okay, let me look for this pin.
Because she knew that she hadto just like run into the house.
She didn't know theneighborhood and of course

(14:25):
you're going to be lookingaround and being like, okay,
where am I?
Type of thing Like look at yoursurroundings before you get out
on a rainy, dark night.
Right, like a normal person,see.
So she gets there, it's pouringrain, perfect, first bad sign.
Is what?

Laura (14:48):
That she's trying to enter the house and for some
reason the pin's not working.
But then she realizes sheinputted the wrong number.
So then you get like like youremotions are on a little
rollercoaster with her, becausethen you think, like what?
Like how does your pin not workfor the Airbnb?
But then she punched it in.
It was correct now.
So you're like okay, good,everything's good.
But then there's no key.
So you're back to square one.
Like what the hell?
How is there no key?

Esme (15:02):
remember, first she looks around in the neighborhood and
that's when she starts realizing, like, dude, like, because the
light is on right, the porchlight is on yeah, which for me
brings like someone home.

Laura (15:10):
That's just me, though I think, it was supposed to give
you a hint that someone was homewhen she's there and she's on
the porch.

Esme (15:15):
So think of it like this like there's light on the porch.
But she starts looking aroundbecause she looked at toward her
car and she's like, fuck, I'mgoing to go back to my car
because it's freezing, I'm sure,because it's raining.
And she's looking across thestreet and looking around and
she sees that everything ispitch black and that gives us I
mean me, when I was watching ita real sense of like what the
hell?
Because you're like dude, isthere any?

(15:38):
Everybody's asleep.
There's no light in anybodyelse's house.
Am I the only solar poweredhouse here?
Why do I light in anybodyelse's house?
Am I the only solar poweredhouse here?
Why do I have light?
No one else?

Laura (15:45):
so it already gives you a creepy feeling and it's raining
, so like for me it gives me anugly feeling because of the fact
that you know if there's peopleout there, they could see you,
but you can't see them.
That's always what I'm thinking, yeah, when I have light on me
and I can't see yeah, I hatethat.
So like she runs back to the car, right suddenly it then becomes
clear to us as an audience andto her that there's someone else
in the house.
And then she had attempted toalso get a hold of the property

(16:08):
management that, I guess, rentedher the space and it was so
annoying that they're notanswering and there's no one
that she could reach, becauseit's like you put yourself in
those shoes, like what am Isupposed to do in this situation
?
I literally paid, so the leastyou can do is answer my call and
help me find a solution.
Whatever, it was a trip thatthere was someone in there.
So she goes and starts knockingand basically trying to settle
the situation herself.

(16:28):
Like these are my rental days.
So like when you have, when youhave confidence, you have a
receipt.
Like you, you want to go andapproach the situation, like hey
, this is my time to be in theairbnb.
Like who are you?
What are you doing?
That's when I mentioned earlieralready.
I kind of like moved ahead, butthe door opens and it's Bill
Skarsgård.

Esme (16:45):
I know that was a nice surprise.
I saw him and I'm like whatyou're in this movie, what you
doing here, I know.
Did you know that he has likeseven brothers or something?
No, and some of them are actors, and his dad too.
Remember, that's his dad, theone that comes out in Pirates of
the Caribbean.

Laura (17:02):
William Turner goes to a bootstrap bill well, he's the
most successful one from hisbrothers, because I don't
recognize anybody else but theycome out of movies too, I know,
but I have not dug that deep.
They kind of look alike, theydo well, good for them, good for
all of them.

Esme (17:14):
So she goes up and the light turns on and he opens the
door and she's like, taken aback, like what the hell are you
doing here?
It becomes awkward,uncomfortable.
They both decipher the factthat they both rented the house
at first.
She's like, no, I rented it.
He's like, well, I rented thistoo.
Um, I just happened to get herebefore you, basically.
So like she shows him like look, this is my rental agreement

(17:37):
confirmation.
Like I don't know if at thatmoment he doesn't do that right
away, he doesn't show her hisright right away until they're
inside like I have to get myphone.

Laura (17:44):
You want to come inside and she's kind of hesitant like
I don't know, because strangerdanger, you know so, I guess
because they're at an impasse,and she's like well, okay,
obviously I'm gonna find anotherplace.

Esme (17:56):
And he's like well, do you want to come in?
Like it's pouring rain?
Our gut feeling as a womanfemale in a place that we don't
know you're like who the hell isthis guy?

Laura (18:05):
I feel like our gut instinct would tell us no, hell,
no like he hasn't showed youlike the confirmation either, so
you don't know if he also justbroke in and that could be yeah
so, like, either way, it seemsreally sketchy, like it just
seems like really, what acoincidence.

Esme (18:18):
There's a guy in my rental , you know, and it's not like
you're there with other people,you're there by yourself.
I think I would have been likeokay, well, I have to figure it
out, I'm gonna go to my car andfigure it out.

Laura (18:28):
I think she meant to do that yeah, and do you remember
in the beginning someone wascalling her?
yeah, like a boyfriend orsomething, huh yeah, and I
always think, like, why do thesestories that take a wrong turn
always have that like?
It kind of shows like they havesomeone in this case she looked
like she was annoyed and shedeclined it but it's kind of
showing like there's someonethat's trying to get a hold of

(18:49):
them and looking out for them,but they're choosing to not
communicate with them and to notgive them updates on, like
where they're at.
If they got there, what's goingon.
And I think that like is onintentional, because also in the
movie hush that happened, didit not?
Yeah, there was this guy thatkept trying to call her and she
kept declining and she kind ofwas like on the fence of like oh
, I don't really want to talk tothem, but maybe I should call

(19:10):
them well it's just a female,and then something happened like
like it's just one of thosethings like it makes you feel
like maybe you should alwaystell someone like your updates
like oh, I'm here, I agree, butwe don't know the situation.

Esme (19:22):
What if he's like some horrible ex?
That's just like stalking herand like she don't want to talk
to him.
He's like a toxic person.
That's what I'm saying.

Laura (19:27):
Like why do scary movies tend to have that when it's
always like a lone female, theyalways show like some type of
like love interest that'sreaching out but them actively
choosing to decline.
I feel why is that areoccurring scene in all these
movies?
I?

Esme (19:41):
think that god is letting us to, like us, as viewers,
subconsciously judging her.
Why?
Because it makes us think maybeshe has some toxic ass
boyfriend, so she made a baddecision at some point.
So what's to say that shedoesn't make another bad
decision in this movie or otherbad decisions that caused her to
be in some turmoil?
You know, I think that's asubconscious little seed they

(20:02):
plant in our heads like I thinkso.

Laura (20:04):
No, they're gonna say something else and right now
right now.
I forgot, because I I wouldwant to share what I thought you
were gonna say but you don'tthink that my theory is a good
one.

Esme (20:13):
I think it is.
I think it's like yeah, maybein the feminist point of view,
yeah no, I think it's just ingeneral, like like someone's
trying to tell us, likeespecially with a male director
director, like I could see whyyou would say that.
Yes, that's what I think it is.

Laura (20:26):
I think they meant to do that.
Hold on, let me think of whatyou were going to say One second
.

Esme (20:29):
One second podcast.
Okay, you could pause it.
All right, go ahead and do yourthing.

Laura (20:33):
What I thought you were going to be a target, and it's
kind of showing that no matterin what spectrum they fall in,
when it comes to like whatsituation they're placed,
they're always going to be atarget.
Now, in a horror moviesituation, it's like, of course,

(20:56):
I'm stuck in this new situationof my airbnb being double
booked and then what followsafter, which is another
situation.
So, like in all aspects of awoman's life, especially a lone
woman, you're always a victim.

Esme (21:08):
It's 99 problems and a man is definitely one.

Laura (21:11):
Yes, that's what I thought you were going to say.

Esme (21:13):
No, I wasn't.
But you know what?
That's a good point.
I just think it's like all likeon purpose and I think it's
intentional.

Laura (21:19):
We need to ask a director this question.

Esme (21:21):
Let's call him right now directed this question.
Let's call him right now, allright.
So somehow at some pointbecause she has no one else to
back her up, because herex-boyfriend is trashed and she
don't want to talk to him, shecannot or doesn't want to call
him and be like, hey, I havethis problem, like he's already
out of the picture.
She wants him out of thepicture f him.
But it still gives us a a thingthat there could be someone she
could have reached out.
But at the same time, if youhave someone problematic I'm

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thinking about my life, thinkabout your own life if you're in
a problem, do you really wantto have to, like, call that one
person that you really justdon't want to talk to?
I mean, at the end of the day,like I can understand why she
didn't want to pick up the damnphone, right, okay?

Laura (21:55):
sometimes it's better to be exactly so.

Esme (21:59):
Keith bill skarsgård um eventually convinces her to stay
and it's not so much convincing.
It's kind of like I think shesees that she doesn't have much
of a choice.
It's either her sitting in thecar freezing her ass off and who
knows if she's able to get aplace or resolve the issue.
Because when she was on theporch she called the property
management that was in charge.
Of course he did not answer.
She left the voicemail.

(22:20):
You know what's that gonna do,right?
So she's like okay, this is notgonna be resolved anytime soon.
So he says, well, look, theleast you can do if you want to
is sit down instead of being outthere, you know, in the cold,
while you search for a new place, whatever, whatever right we
were on the topic of strangerdanger, that we felt like it was
a bad decision for her to enterbecause we didn't know if he
was onto something.
That's because we've seen it andwe've seen all the other scary

(22:43):
movies like no, you said because, as a girl like you're
vulnerable.
Oh yeah, that's on top of that,I think, because we've seen all
the horror movies he's in, weautomatically think the worst.
But let's say we don't knowthis person and you just see
keith opening the door.
He looks harmless.
But, as you know, harmlesslooking doesn't mean no.
He doesn't look harmless to me.
Not to me, that's like a weirdo.
That's because we already knowhim from other movies.

Laura (23:02):
No, he doesn't look harmless to me, not to me.

Esme (23:03):
That's like a weirdo, that's because we already know
him from other movies no, hedoesn't.

Laura (23:08):
No, yeah, I guess I think his eyes and his face look like
when he makes a serious face.

Esme (23:14):
He looks scary and psycho.
When he smiles, that melts away.
He looks like friendly.
You know what I'm saying.
I think his eyes like a littlepiercing, oh, definitely
piercing.
But I'm telling you, when he'ssmiling with piercing eyes he
looks just like, oh you guysnice eyes.

Laura (23:29):
No, I've never thought that I feel like that's because
we've seen him in it and we'rescared.

Esme (23:34):
Okay, let's move on from poor bill.
So anyways, keith somehowconvinces her.
She's like you can tell thatshe's really like thinking and
she's like well, you know what,let me just take a chance and
sit in this living room and thenI'll just leave as soon as I
find another place.

Laura (23:48):
Very heretic vibe.

Esme (23:50):
Yes.

Laura (23:51):
You don't know if, like, she's going to get trapped in
there, if she's ever going to beable to exit, yeah, that's why
everyone listeners never, ever,go inside a stranger's house.

Esme (24:00):
Once you're on their turf.
You don't know what the hellcould happen.
So never, ever, ever, unlessyou have no choice.

Laura (24:05):
The reason why I keep saying weirdo, weirdo, weirdo is
because he starts acting likeit even more so Because he
starts like trying to make her atea, he's like, oh, I'll open
the wine in front of you becauseI could see that you didn't
drink it.
Like he's like naming theobvious, that like she's maybe
cautious of not consuminganything or eating anything
because she doesn't want to getdrugged, or well see, she makes
all the good decisions.

(24:26):
She declines everything likestop talking about this, because
you're making it even weirderthat you're like mentioning it
like he's.

Esme (24:31):
It's because I think he's trying to be like, he's trying
too hard to be normal, but likeher I'm glad.
Like at least, okay, declineany drinks, decline this,
decline that.
And the part that got me is youknow how?
He know what?
You're probably not going tofind anywhere because there's
like a thing, a convention, soeverything's going to be booked.

Laura (24:48):
That was sketchy too.

Esme (24:49):
She took his word for it, like she looked.
She did call like one place.
I would have kept calling, butyou know there's still some
little shady little spots thatyou could probably find.
I mean, do you want to go to CDMotel in the middle of fucking
nowhere?
Maybe not, but that she couldhave still found some
accommodation at some pointsomewhere.
That don't necessarily makereservations, you know I'm
saying but like so what'sscarier?
You're with a stranger insideof their house or do you want to

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continue to look somewhere?

Laura (25:12):
I would have still, I would have left, I think I would
have been like okay, well, I'mgonna just drive longer my car.
To be honest, I've done it alot.
That's equally dangerous.

Esme (25:21):
No, a car is like a little house, like a room, but the
problem with that is that peoplecould just pass by and see, I
mean, unless you have like supertinted windows and then it's
really cold like you have tohave that shit on, but at least
you're gonna survive the night.

Laura (25:33):
That would be my mentality, like I'm gonna be
cold, uncomfortable, but I'mgonna make it out alive and also
she has the interview the nextday.
I would rather guarantee mysafety than no, I'm going to be
vulnerable the moment I knockout, Because when I'm asleep,
someone could come in and likehe could come in my room.
You know, I don't know.
I just I don't know.
I just have it in my heart.
I think that us Mexicans wouldhave done Well this Mexican.

Esme (25:57):
I don't think I would have slept in a car, I mean, or I
would have driven somewhere else.
But also like in your car youcould drive to 7-eleven or like
in front of your interview, soyou're not late.
Oh my god.
Yeah, I mean there could havebeen other things.

Laura (26:12):
I don't think I would have just gave up as fast as she
did, but I think she didn'twant to go outside of the storm.

Esme (26:14):
You know you're in a city neighborhood that you are not
familiar with.
I mean, she has her gps.
I would have been like you knowwhat, let me charge my phone
and then, as it was fully 100,let me like I'll leave again but
on the upside they ended upclicking because she said what
she was in town for and he wasin the industry as well.

Laura (26:31):
So they ended up popping that wine bottle right, drinking
it up they clicked.

Esme (26:36):
Not only that, after so many like conversations, um, she
ended up staying and like herthing was like he gave up his
room.
She was asleep on the sofa, butshe was like, okay, well, let's
wash the sheets, make themclean so I could sleep in it,
blah, blah.
So that's how I think the trust, like that wall, came down
little by little and, like yousaid, they clicked about certain

(26:56):
things and at first she thoughthe was full of shit.
As a matter of fact, I thoughtwhen he started saying like oh
yeah, I've seen.
I'm like, I'm like maybe thisis like some psycho guy that did
his research on her and is liketrying to make it seem like he
knows.

Laura (27:07):
Yeah, I thought he was the owner of the property and
like he was like a weirdo renterthat like his victims were the
renters, I don't know.
Yeah, I thought that.

Esme (27:14):
But then finally, he did show her the confirmation at
some point, remember, and Ithink that's when we kind of
like okay, but I'm thinking Icould have just made that.
That's fake, you know, becauseeven if someone shows you
confirmation I mean, laura,didn't you like make fake um
vaccination cards at some point?
No, for covid, I'm out of you.
That's just kidding.
You know what I'm trying to say, I'm denying it publicly.

Laura (27:36):
I will neither confirm or deny, because it didn't happen
and I never heard this questionyou're gonna take away my
credibility.

Esme (27:43):
So all the forms that I do Like I don't know.
Okay, let's not talk about theother ones.

Laura (27:47):
Okay, but what I'm trying to say?
Your insurance is fake.
Pay Uber Carver.

Esme (27:52):
Damn.
Yeah, it was Okay, it didn'twork anyways, but anyways, okay,
okay, okay.
The point that I'm getting tois that we know documents,
documents is too easy nowadays.
It's so easy and anybody couldhave just made he could have
just made a fake confirmation,so that doesn't mean diddly
squat.
It would not have meant diddlysquat to me.
Like I'm like oh, I don't careabout saying your confirmation,
you could have just made a fakeone, like it's not relevant at

(28:12):
all, you know anyway.
So they ended up staying, solike okay, she felt more
comfortable, she went to sleep,like they even had like this
moment where he was helping herput the sheets back on, and it
seemed like they had some kindof like chemistry, like they had
that feeling of like this couldbe a spark.
There's a spark between us,type of thing.

Laura (28:29):
That's what my coworker said oh, like they could have
had a future, but I guess not.
But when he said that, I'm like, okay, it wasn't just me that
picked up on that.

Esme (28:36):
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I think that was like anobvious thing.
She was even like smiling aboutit or whatever.
Like you could tell that sheactually like, liked them.
She went and was nosy andlooked at his like driver
license as you're smiling at hispicture.
Remember, that means you likethem.
So so she goes to sleep.
At what point do we startgetting creeped out the noises?
We started hearing noises,right.

Laura (28:55):
Well, her rooms are open, then she was knocked out, okay,
but see, that's us.

Esme (28:58):
So we're looking at her sleeping.
We see her the knob turning andI'm thinking it's him and I'm
like why?

Laura (29:06):
what does he need to do right now?

Esme (29:07):
he's gonna ruin everything yeah, I'm thinking, oh, here
comes the psycho part.
This is where the plot turns.

Laura (29:12):
But also me.

Esme (29:14):
I would have locked that door me too, I think, because
remember the first time when shewent.
But yeah that shit wasdefinitely unlocked.
I think that's what woke her upno, it didn't His noises.

Laura (29:25):
He started making noises and I thought like my mind
already started tripping,because I'm like did someone
break in and someone doingsomething to him?
Or like, is he abducted orbeing tortured right now?
At first I thought he must bethe one opening the door.

Esme (29:44):
Yeah, I down the hall.
It's dark and she hears him Inmy head.
Before we saw him becauseobviously he was not at the door
.
See, because I still don't knowwhat kind of movie this was I
was thinking like is he, is thislike a supernatural movie?
And he's getting like possessedor something.
I'm like did that door open byitself off?
Is it like a weird like ghostor entity or something?
That's where my brain was atthat time.
You know, she tries to wake himup, which turns the whole field

(30:07):
, because then he was startledby her and he was like what are
you doing?
Like he started kind of likefeeling like she was sketchy.
Right, you could tell that hewas like what the hell is this?

Laura (30:16):
he was like girl, like you scared me, like what are you
doing here?
Because she looked bad.
But she's like well, I'm sorry.
She's like but did you open myroom?
And he's like no.
And then she's like well, I'msorry, forget about it.
I just that you were makingnoises and he was like I was, so
it just looked like they bothhad a bad impression of each
other at that point because theywere like weirdo.

Esme (30:34):
They both thought that about themselves yeah, she
creeped them out and they bothwent to sleep.

Laura (30:38):
This time she went back and she locked we immediately
realized, though, in that scene,when she's exiting her door,
that there is a third person nowinvolved because, like for me,
I thought intruder, because yousee someone walk in the back
where that door is.
That leads to the basement.

Esme (30:52):
Yes, and at first, like I still was still thinking entity,
I still had that question mark.
I'm like what was that?
Who was that?
So the next day in the morningshe wakes up like normal, goes
to the bathroom.
I don't know what the hell shedoes, but when she walks out of
her room we're able to see thebasement door ajar right huh, or
is?

Laura (31:09):
it completely open like a jar a jar.
A jar where?

Esme (31:14):
a jar is one word.

Laura (31:15):
I don't know, it's not a space jar a jar there's no jar
holding it open, oh everybodyhello listeners, ignore that
part, okay so physical shockerjolt.
Hey, siri, define a jar.

Esme (31:33):
Let me just ask you, what does it mean when a door is a
jar?

Laura (31:35):
hey, siri, what does it mean when a door is a jar?
Refers to a door, window orother object being slightly open
and not completely closed.
Yeah, that okay, see learn tobe see I did, I learned it.

Esme (31:47):
So the door is a jar, yeah , so then she walks out.
She sees it, but then she walksout, she goes to the kitchen
and I think she sees a note fromhim that he was gonna leave and
to leave the key in the boxthat was like the highlighted
thing, like please leave the keybehind right because she was
gonna go to her interview.
He knew that, so when he wasgonna come back he could get in.
Okay, cool, she's getting foran interview.

(32:07):
She goes outside.
This is the first time that weand her at the same time.
We go outside and we look atthe street and she realizes that
the street and all thebuildings and houses in there
and this is the moment that alsogave me like a really creeped
out feeling, because we'reseeing that.
I mean, the night before, whereshe was, you know, pouring rain

(32:30):
, she was looking out and shewas like pitch black and she
couldn't see anything.
Now we know why it was pitchblack and we couldn't see
nothing.
That whole street was basicallyfull of abandoned, run down,
disintegrated buildings andhouses, houses that were like
boarded up or like burned all ofthe house, like literally the

(32:50):
only house standing was thehouse that she was staying in.

Laura (32:53):
How scary is that hello I would have been like.
But see, all of that, I feellike how did you not know that
when you booked the place?

Esme (33:00):
she didn't.
She didn't look at street.
That's weird.
You know how you can look atstreet view when you like look
up stuff to myself like why isthe street abandoned?

Laura (33:08):
why is it burned?
Like why is it like that?

Esme (33:11):
all she looked at was probably like the only nearest
thing that was close to herinterview and she booked it and
didn't think twice and then alsookay, now, that scene made me
trust bill more.

Laura (33:21):
And then the issue now are the neighbors.
They're like the vandal, Ithought they were gonna be.

Esme (33:28):
Yeah, I'm like this is like the hills have eyes.

Laura (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, so weird who lives here, in these abandoned
homes exactly exactly people whothe freak knows, so, anyways.

Esme (33:39):
So at this point I'm thinking, okay, this may not be
entity wise, but I'm still notthinking about that.
She goes to her interview.
It looks like everything goeswell.
Like you know, they have aconversation, everything's cool.
When she's like already, likeoh, okay, well, you know what,
um, this and this and that, likeI'm gonna give you a call, and
she asks her like just casually,like oh, so where are you
staying at?
And she tells her oh,brightsworth or what's it called

(33:59):
?
Bright, brighton orbrightsworth or something like
that.

Laura (34:01):
Yeah, okay something Okay , something that sounds like
positive Something bright, yeah,but it's not.

Esme (34:06):
Yeah, so she tells her and then even like her whole face
changes and she looks at herlike like you're staying way
where?
And she's like oh, brighton.
And she's like no, like don'tstay there, like you can't stay
there.

Laura (34:30):
She made it like that, drove that point across the most
was her facial expression.
She was like test, like look atme so you could describe it.
She was like test, like that,like she did that, like no like
no way, but she didn't speak shejust made like, like a lot of
faces after, Like, are you sureabout that, Are you sure about
this?
She even said that and she saidright away like yeah, yeah,
Just for a little bit, Like itwas the closest.

(34:52):
I have a roommate.
Yeah, she said something stupid.

Esme (34:56):
Like girl he ain't safe.
He ain't safe, wants her not tostay there.
She doesn't listen, she doesn'teven let her finish talking.
Oh no, no, I'm fine, it's fine,whatever.
I think she was just kind oflike oh, last night was fine,
nothing happened to me, and Ithink she felt more comfortable
with keith, so she was likelooking forward to probably
seeing him again.

Laura (35:14):
And my thing is the fact that she was outside of the
house.
I'm like you made it like, getyour ass back home.
Like I would have left maybe mynumber like for the guy, but
took my shit with me to theinterview because I'm not going
back to that house yeah, likethat's what I was thinking.
I like girl, you made it out ofthe house.
Why are you trying to go backthere like?

Esme (35:35):
yeah, it's not ready, no more.
I'm just kidding.
I know it's like it's not ready.
No more, like get your ass outand find another like you
survived it good, like you couldlike.

Laura (35:43):
After that, I literally told the person I was watching
this like three times after I'mlike no, no, whatever happens
after here, it's her fault.

Esme (35:48):
I like, because all this became preventable yeah, I think
she thought oh, the worst isover.
I already got comfortable.
This guy's cool, I like him.
It's not raining no more.
In the interview she was likeon a high note in her head, so
she was like oh, nothing couldgo wrong.

Laura (36:02):
Now, true, you know what?
True, because I have felt likethat sometimes, like, yeah,
things feel better.
Now, yeah, like everything fellinto place.

Esme (36:07):
It wasn't as bad as I thought she was thinking that so
, anyways, she goes back to theplace.
Who knows what her plans wereor how many days more she had to
stay there exactly this moment.

Laura (36:15):
This is exactly when I thought to myself whatever
happens to her is her damn fault.
She brought it upon herself,because when she goes back to
that house she ends up goinginto the basement.
Why you gotta do that?

Esme (36:25):
for yeah, so she gets back , she's on a high note, thinking
the world is peaches and creamand she arrives a bowl of
cherries.
Okay enough, so she gets there.
Well, she's not even at the caryet.
Someone's like chasing her downthe street.
Right, she's in her car, stillno she's at the car.

Laura (36:41):
She got off the car, okay .
But then now she races to thefront porch and trying to open
the.
Yeah, she's closing her carstill.
No, she's at the car.
She got off the car, okay.
But then now she races to thefront porch and trying to open
the door.

Esme (36:45):
Yeah, she's closing her door and she's about to go up
the walkway and you see someonefrom a distance running at her
like full force and screamingand screaming, lady, lady.

Laura (36:52):
Or what was she saying?
Come here, come here, girl.

Esme (36:59):
Hey, come here or something.
She runs to the front door.
She can't get the stupid keyout the lockbox.
She's all scared.
We're already scared for hertoo.
Like, oh hell, no girl Likethis is one of the psycho people
that live on you know the househave eyes type houses Like get
your ass in.
So she somehow fumbles, fumbles, fumbles.
She gets in the door and slamsit shut.

Laura (37:18):
And the guy's like slamming and hitting the door
and she starts packing reallyfast and she's like, okay, I'm
gonna leave.
But then she does somethingstupid, which is again I keep
emphasizing.
This is when it's likeeverything that happens to you
is your fault, because you didnot listen to your instinct.
You can get out of there.
And why are you doing that?
For why are you going into thebasement of someone else's?

Esme (37:35):
home.
Before she went to the basement, she had to go to the bathroom
and there was no toilet paper,which is when she started like
oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,but still is smart, because she
was probably going to drive fora long time.
Let me pack, I'm going to go tothe bathroom and I'm going to
go home or leave this place.

Laura (37:50):
Yeah, you're right, there was toilet paper in the
basement.
That's why she went in there.

Esme (37:54):
Yeah, because she was looking for it all over the
place and she was like, oh myGod, nothing.
She looks at the door in thebasement.
She's like from afar she goesdown there.

Laura (38:06):
And little by little the door starts slowly shutting.
And then it does shut.
She doesn't realize that it'sgoing to lock, and so I take it
back about like, oh, she didsomething stupid, Because you're
right, you reminded me why shewent down there in the first
place.
It makes sense.
But now is when I'm like you'redumb girl.

Esme (38:23):
But see, that's the thing.
She had a chance Because itdidn't lock right away.
It slowly closed.
She was down there looking forall that stuff, and that's when
she finds other things, so wasshe exploring.
Well, she found the toiletpaper, but then remember she
came across that the string,yeah, the rope.

Laura (38:45):
So when you pull the wall but it's, it's functional, like
you could pull it and stuff.
So it makes you feel like if Ipull it, like is a bomb gonna
explode or something like.

Esme (38:53):
Yeah, like I don't know I don't know if I would be that
person, because I feel like halfof the humanity would do it,
half of the humanity would not.
I feel like I would not.
If I see like a rope that goesinto a hole in the wall, I would
not pull it.
I'll be like is the house goingto collapse?
When I pull it, I would thinksomething is happening.
It's there for a reason, but noone told me to come down here.

(39:13):
This is not for me Right away.
I think you think it's a secretdoor.
It's a secret, something You'regoing to pull it it.
Something's gonna open,something's gonna fall,
something's gonna close a boobytrap.
So in my head I'm like I knowthis does something, but I don't
know what it does.
I've seen enough indiana jonesmovies to know that you don't
press buttons or pull thingswithout the possibility you're

(39:35):
getting trapped somewhere.
So I would not pull it.

Laura (39:38):
Now is the point that I feel whatever happens to you is
your fault we have little signs.

Esme (39:44):
There's a lot of little signs that happen that tell us
okay, let's get out of here,let's get out of here, let's get
out of here.
But I think she delays, and themore she delays, the more
things happen.
Yeah, I guess.
So she there was like that wastotally avoidable.

Laura (39:57):
So then by that time, when she's over there pulling
stuff and all that, that's whenthe door like shuts.
When the the door like shuts,she had still time to get up
there and get to the restroom,take shit, and this will open.
Oh, and also I thought tomyself did something on the
other side like push it, or didit like the wind, you know?
Yeah, or was it like a oldhinge that just just closes?

(40:18):
I can't.
Why does it have to?

Esme (40:19):
lock.
I know I hate that.
I mean that was probably onpurpose the locking part.
So let's go back to her beingstuck there.
Okay, everybody, ignore the icecream truck outside.
And then she realized shedidn't have her phone on her.
She let she like, rememberedthat she left it on the table so
she didn't have a way out.
She's remembering.
Oh, I remember how it happenedwe kind of jumped around.

Laura (40:39):
This is exactly how it happened.
I remember now she wanted to golook for toilet paper.
Like you said, she saw thetoilet paper once she entered
the basement and then, bingo,she found it.
But then she was immediatelygonna go on her merry way and as
she's trying to leave, the dooris closed and she's like no,
like man.
She realizes that her phone wasleft in the restroom.
She has the key, so she can'tcall bill, she can't call police

(41:01):
anyone, and when he comes in inhe's gonna be able to get in
because that's why I said so,because she's trapped there, she
starts exploring to see therehas to be another exit or
something that can help me getout.
So while she's looking for that,she finds the rope and then she
pulls it and now she's likewhere does this go?

(41:21):
because a weird creepy dooropens but it's so dark.
Yeah, so when she pulls therope, a door opens but it's
pitch black.
So she gets the mirror that'sin the basement to position so
that the light reflects out intothe darkness and, yeah, it kind
of serves as a littleflashlight, but she can't make
out a lot either way becauseit's so pitch black yeah this is

(41:42):
where it gets terrible,terrible.
She starts like walking inthere and oh my god as a viewer,
listeners.

Esme (41:50):
Everything inside me tells me why the hell are you gonna
go in that door the same way?
You got trapped down in thebasement, dumbass.
You could get trapped in thathole.
That dirt can fall behind you.
What if there's no rope to pullto get out?
When she was trying to edge herway in, I'm like are you
freaking serious?
You just got trapped in thedamn basement and it was a very
creepy, creepy, creepy scene.

(42:11):
And Laura, what were youthinking as she was deciding to
walk in there?

Laura (42:16):
That, whatever, happens to you is your fault and I don't
feel bad for you, no more.
But I was on edge.
I was on edge.
I was like I was thinking thattoo, like you're going to get
trapped in there.
But I was like where does itlead?
Like what's in there?
I was trying to think likewhat's going on?
Because there was like kennelstoo right, like some cages, I
was like so animals?

(42:37):
Like I didn't know where it wasgoing and I think that's what
made me like super.
It was on edge, that I couldn'tguess, I couldn't imagine.
Like nothing was giving meenough clues where I'm like oh,
this is it, and then right away.

Esme (42:49):
I started thinking of all the like horror movies from the
past and it reminded me ofheretic, because remember those
ladies that were trapped inthose cages.
Same kind of cages, but theywere empty and rusted and old
and there was like bowls.
So it's like were these usedfor animals or something else?
Why would they be in a secretdoor?
Yeah, so many questions.

Laura (43:10):
Yeah, and then she continues to go down right the
dark hallway.

Esme (43:14):
Then it's like a very unfinished Like.
It's not like a hallway, it'slike a hole, like a mine, like
you're going in a mine type ofyeah, yeah, yeah.
And then there's, like a susroom, the end of this long
tunnel.
You see, to the right, sheturns on a light, does she turn?

Laura (43:30):
on the light or was already on.

Esme (43:31):
That's crazy and the room is a small room, that the only
things that are in there are oldlike those metal rickety
rackety hospital bed types fromlike like early 1900s, with a
dirty it looks like stained,like like mold and blood and god
knows what was on that mattressit was gross and like a bucket

(43:51):
and a bucket that was alsoreally.
That was also stained and dirtyon the side and then a bloody
handprint on the wall and thenthe weird, other scary part is
that there's a video camera avideo camera facing the bed with
like a tripod.
So what the hell goes in throughall of our minds when we're
watching this?
I was like girl, you better getyour ass out of there and I'm

(44:14):
still over here thinking like oh, they trap renters here.

Laura (44:17):
The victims are the renters of the house.

Esme (44:19):
Yeah, I feel the same thing, and she's a renter.
To me, automatic is like look,we already saw.
We like someone walking aroundat night.
She didn't see it, though, butwe did.
Somebody already opened yourdoor.
They know you're here.
Okay, you already had someonechasing you into the house.
You had the interview persontell you get out of there, don't

(44:42):
stay there.
Why are you that?
Like you know whatever, isn'tthat enough?
Isn't that enough to tell youwhy are you there, stupid?

Laura (44:49):
yeah, you know, and at this point is when she freaks
out and she wants to get out ofthere now.
Now she wants to leave, she'sable to get out of the tunnel.
She's a little basement windowthat you could see from the
outside the front house right,yeah, bill gets home and I'm
over here thinking like he's notgonna see her.
He's not gonna see, he's gonnamiss her because I'm pretty sure
it's like soundproof, yeah, buthe did see her, which is great

(45:11):
news, and he looks like he waslike what are you doing down
there?
But I still got a feeling thatI'm like he's gonna see her and
he's gonna ignore her, like he'sgonna be like, oh, like you
found my little spot, he's goingto go into the house and lock
it.

Esme (45:23):
Yes, because at this point again, we're thinking he is
Part of the plan.
Yes, like he's just Like youknow how he was talking about,
like his group that he was with.
Like he was telling her like oh, we're finding a new place to
do his like I don't know theirfilm stuff.
So in my head I'm thinking thatfront, their group, probably

(45:50):
just tortures people becauseobviously he's not working alone
.
That other person was thesecond person part of him.
Like he's part of a group ofpeople they probably do like
snuff films and record them.
And she's gonna be the nextvictim.

Laura (45:55):
So I was like, oh, my god but no, he was trying to help
her.
And still, then I'm like he'sputting a front like he's not
actually helping her, but no, hedoes help her, like he gets her
out of there.
And then, though, but then Istill feel doubtful towards him,
still, because she's explainingto him and he's like wait,
let's just go down there, let'ssee.
And she's like no, like why doyou want to go down there?

Esme (46:15):
she's like I'm gonna.

Laura (46:16):
Let's just go back inside the house.
I'm like hell, no girl.
You already made it out asecond time.
Don't go back in there.

Esme (46:21):
That's really that makes no.
That was the most stressfulpart of this movie that we're
like girl, use your common sense, don't go, don't go.
It reminds me of like the oldschool horror movies from back
in the days when things wereobvious to the viewer that we
were like don't go upstairs,don't do this like.
I had the same feeling withthis movie and I haven't felt

(46:41):
that in a long time, but it wasobviously not like these old
school movies.
Like it had a different like.
It was like a different feel,but it was the same thing.
Like you want to tell her likeare you freaking serious?
You're still gonna go back in,you're still gonna go there.
And then he's like not takingany of what she's saying
seriously.
No, he's like well, let me gocheck it out.
He wants to investigate a web,all right, he goes in.

(47:03):
She's waiting.
She's like okay, I'm not goingback in there.
You want to go back down there,go, okay, go whatever.
So he goes and she's waitingand waiting and he's taking a
fucking long ass time.
Like it's a long time, yeah,and eventually she's like Keith
calling him.
He doesn't answer and she's like, and we're like no, I was like,
why did he scream at the tvlike hell, no, like he went down

(47:25):
there.
Why are you gonna go down with,like you already know what's
there.
Why are you going?
He doesn't need your help.
And then a little little, tiny,little smart part of her brain,
it goes back and gets a chairand like to put it on the door
so it doesn't shut.
It's the only smart thing thatshe does which doesn't help her
much at that time.
Anyways, she goes downstairstrying to find him for the
longest time he doesn't screamback like he, she's just, it's

(47:47):
just silence.

Laura (47:48):
Yeah, so she goes in.

Esme (47:50):
But but then she goes in and she sees the door, but she's
like how, where the fuck did hego?
You know, because he's not inthat room and she's looking
around, doesn't look likenothing else is there.
He's like I'm down here andshe's like where he says I need
help, but see, it still to mesounds fishy.
This is a trap.
Still like why is she?
Still like how, why does heneed help?
Like where the fuck did you go?
She finds another door that'sbehind.

(48:13):
When the door opens to thatweird room, there's a door
behind it that's also hidden andshe pulls it open and there's
another hole, there's anothertunnel that goes deeper and
darker and down.
So there's like steps ofthinking like where does this
hole go?
To hell, and it's like we'regoing in there and it's so slow
and dark and you start feelingclaustrophobic, just like when

(48:33):
she talks, it sounds likemuffled, like because you're so
deep and it's like so enclosed Ican't even begin to imagine how
still the air is in there.

Laura (48:41):
Like I hate that feeling, like when you're in clothes and
there's no air.

Esme (48:44):
Claustrophobic?
Yeah, I'm claustrophobic.

Laura (48:47):
So I couldn't even imagine how that felt.

Esme (48:49):
Yeah, that's crazy.
And then underground.

Laura (48:51):
And I was thinking like dude In dark.
The dance has to like hit thewall Like you want to escape.

Esme (48:56):
It was anxiety for sure, like that's the feeling that you
get watching this part.
So then at some point you hearkeith again the bit me until
they're face to face and he'slike no okay, so she goes, she's
still going down the steps andshe has.
She has her phone now, right.
So she's like flashlight alittle and you can't see nothing
, like it's like you could see,but like it's like dark, like

(49:19):
down, like you can't see diddlysquat.
So you're going all the waydown and then she's he could
still, she could still hear himsaying help me here and there,
and then it's like a jump scare.

Laura (49:29):
Ooh, this is the original Barbarian that you were saying.
He's perfect for the role.

Esme (49:34):
So there's a lot of looking up Conan the Barbarian
right now.

Laura (49:43):
Well, I meant to look up the other thing but arnold came
out.
He was cool, huh.
He looks like a, like a toy.

Esme (49:46):
That like was like sculpted and like sanded into,
like that was.

Laura (49:48):
That was in the 80s, when he was a pyt did he actually
work out or he, like, drank someposterity?

Esme (49:53):
I don't know no, he really did work out, though, but I
don't know about the story part.
I don't know because that looksunreal.

Laura (50:00):
Well, he was a bodybuilder ate a lot of eggs.

Esme (50:02):
No he was a bodybuilder like he was.
Like, I love eggs okay eggsokay, anyways, let's move on.
We can talk about arnold, laterso they come face to face.

Laura (50:11):
He's like sweaty and like shook and his eyes are like
even bigger yeah like larger andhe's like.
I have to tell you like wecan't he's scared we have to go
and she, but he's pulling herlike deeper.
So I'm thinking that's still atrap I'm like hell.
No, he's trying to tell you likewe can't go there.
He's scared, we have to go.
And she, but he's pulling herlike deeper.
So I'm thinking that's still atrap.
I'm like hell, no, he's tryingto grab you, yeah, and she's
like no, like the exit's thisway.
And then she even tells himlike why did you come down here,
like duh, why would you come?

(50:37):
But something bit me.
Like he finally explains, likewhy we have to go and she's just
like okay, well, like I said,it's that way, like there's one
road, like it's not like forkedin the road where you go left or
right, it's like either frontor back?
yeah, so when what he says isjust creepier because he's like,
well, it was, he's likesomething bit me and it was,
it's back there.
So how did it go ahead of him,I don't know, or where was it

(50:59):
hiding in the shadows?
Get, it was probably yeah, sothen boom, the moment we realize
he is not the antagonist is themoment that he dies yes,
because all of a sudden we seethis figure suddenly appear.

Esme (51:13):
We see her with the light because she has her phone light
that she looks, and it's thissuper scary, dirty, naked,
female like thing.
All we see is her grabbingkeith and slamming him against
the wall repeatedly.
I mean, and she did it with somuch force that he's a man, but
he had no chance.

(51:34):
So you could tell likeimmediately.
You see blood on his head andhis face so you know he's dead,
he's dead.
And then we see black.
And then right now we're stillrecovering from the shock of
like all of our thoughts cominginto our brain that oh my god,
he was not the killer, oh my god.
So right now we're looking at a,a still from the movie, and we

(51:54):
see her with a bloody,prosthetic key face that I guess
she was slamming onto the wall.
Oh my god, no wonder it looksso scary.
His skull's already likefalling off.
You guys can look it up.
So okay.
So as soon as this happens andit like it like black, we're,
we're all of a sudden okay.

(52:15):
We find out so many things atthat moment.
We find out, like how deadlyand how like she's hit.
Doom like this is like you'vereached like yeah, like she was
like surprisingly strong, thoughyes it is.
She was super strong and thething is that he was already
dead and she is there with themfacing the and deep, deep, deep

(52:36):
in this fucking tunnel that goesinto, like I don't know,
underground railroad, for me.

Laura (52:40):
What made me like the most stunned was that I now
realize everything that Ithought was going, like I
thought we were going a certainroute it was far from that
because I'm like no, now there'slike a monster involved, like a
creature, because the person Iwatched it was like oh, it's a
demon and I'm like I think it'sa person.

Esme (52:57):
Person well, that's the thing I couldn't tell either,
but I mean just the fact thatthey were down underground again
.
I keep thinking about likehills have ice, like I'm
thinking like is this like sometoxic, um, radioactive person,
some deformity?
But I was thinking in my headsomething happened in this town
that people started leaving andthat's why it's all abandoned
and burned down, but this thinglives here.

(53:18):
But then I was also stillremembering that it had that
weird like someone built this tohave something down here, like
was it an experiment.
I was thinking so many things,so many things and but at the
same time, like I said, thebiggest thing that we're
thinking is all this time thatwe're thinking keith is part of
the problem, or the he's thebarbarian, or like he's yeah,

(53:40):
it's like out the window, likehe's, like now he's dead end of
act.
One boom, that was the end, yes.
And all of a sudden, in thoseseconds that you think all this
stuff, all of a sudden, boom,we're on pch, middle of the day,
sunny california, driving theconvertible, and we see aj yeah,
like it just takes a turn.

Laura (53:59):
No, and it's a cliffhanger.
Like she was facing the monsterand you just assume she died.
But you don't know whathappened to ted.
Like it just takes a turn.
No, and it's a cliffhanger.

Esme (54:04):
Like she was facing the monster and you just assume she
died, but you don't know whathappened to ted.
Like it literally feels likeyou changed the channel on
accident.
That's how I felt when itchanged, like from that to that,
because it's like a totallydifferent scene.

Laura (54:13):
Okay, and we see aj driving down the coast, his
golly jolly, mood is changedvery quickly because he gets a
phone call right.

Esme (54:23):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Laura (54:24):
And they started laying it on him that he's going to get
booted from his agency, hispilot.
His show.
Yeah, mm-hmm, because he hassome very strong allegations
against him, mm-hmm, and itseems very modern, because when
don't we hear of things comingout like that and it skews your
perception on, like celebrities,and yeah, you just start

(54:44):
canceling them.

Esme (54:45):
You don't want to ever since that hashtag me too boom,
all these people have been goingdown harvey weinstein p diddy,
anyways.
Point is like all kinds ofpeople like now people are like
finally saying things that theyshould have said like for so
many, so many years this is thisguy's no p diddy.
But you know, aj the key getsthat call and, yeah, he's fired
and he's like wait, what?

(55:05):
Basically?
Like it sounds like a date rape.
Now there's something that wassaid that but it started making
me theorizing about oh okay,like this is what's gonna happen
and I really like this moviebecause usually my theories are
on point and correct and thismovie still tricked me.
So I liked that.
I was surprised so many damntimes.
So good job in this movie forthat.
The part that made me thinklike a different direction with

(55:28):
this is that you know whoever hesaid he's a chip off the whole
block.
Now what does that mean,listeners?
It usually means that you're inthe same footsteps as your
father.
That's usually what it means.
It's usually said to a guy andit's usually said about if
you're the same as your dad andyou're doing the same kind of
thing that he's doing.
Whether it's good or bad, he'sa chip off the whole block.
So they told him that.
So that put an idea in my head,thinking I did immediately say,

(55:51):
ok, this property, who owns it?
And I did think that, ok,that's why they're showing us
this guy, because he must own itand right away, chip off the
whole block.
I thought, oh my God, he'sbeing accused of date rape and
somebody was recording someweird going on down there.
Maybe it was his dad and maybe,like that was his old place,
but that was incorrect.
Aj ends up owning the house.
He wants to sell it Like he'sdiscussing with his wealth

(56:14):
manager.

Laura (56:14):
Because of uh, he was basically saying, like you have
to liquidate because the way youspend and your, your lifestyle
and the fact that you just gotcut from like all of this income
, with how much it's gonna costyou to like have the lawyers and
all the legal services handled.
He's like you can only make itthree months like from now.
Yeah, at this rate, and then itwas gonna cost him 70 grand, I

(56:35):
believe, to cover the legalexpenses and and help fight the
case or whatever.
Liquidating, for those thatdon't know, means like your
assets and things that you cansell and just get cash from.
Like that's what you're goingto go do.
First, like you said, an LAhome, a rental property.
That's not a necessity, is kindof just maybe like a liability
if anything, now You're going towant to go sell it and just get

(56:55):
the money.
Yeah, because he needed it now,so.

Esme (56:57):
But right away didn't he say that he did not want to get
rid of his LA home and he's likewell, I have some properties in
Michigan and whatever.
That was one of many.

Laura (57:08):
So that's what kind of tells us right away, oh, he owns
this place.
But he told us, oh, they're notworth much yeah they're not.

Esme (57:11):
But he was like, well, no, I can't get rid of the LA house
Because he told him, your lahome.
I don't know if they were in laat that moment, but he told him
you have to sell your la houseand he's like, no, I can't get
rid of that one I don't want to,but brightwood is not la he had

(57:32):
more than one property.
That's why he was trying to getrid of the brightwood ones oh
yeah, yeah, that's not in thelake because his wealth manager
told him to get rid of theelement because that one for
sure would cover.
But he doesn't want to.
So he's like, well, let me seewhat I could do over here, like
buy himself time or whatever.
So he flies to michigan.
It's michigan, detroit,michigan that's where.

Laura (57:49):
That's where this house is brightwood yeah, I think so,
I think, so am I making this up,I think.

Esme (57:55):
So, listeners, if I'm wrong at any given time,
chicasuco at gmailcom.
So he gets there, he calls hisagents.
A lot of things happen inbetween and he, as he arrives,
doesn't see the key.
He gets in.
There's two cars in the front,which, to me, I feel like those
should have told several people,including the other cops, the
asshole ones that come on laterin the movie that there's people

(58:17):
there.
Look at the whole freakingblock, but there's two cars in
front of the only house thatlooks livable.
Okay.
So he should have already saidokay, someone's here, because
the rest of the block is shot.
He starts seeing that there'sthings there.
He goes to the bathroom, helike whatever.
He's like the hell he's justseeing, like their bags and keys
and like things you know.
So he calls his agent his agentsays that it's not rented, which
brings us to the fact thatproperty agent companies suck

(58:40):
because a they're double bookingand b they're telling him they
haven't rented in weeks.
He goes on with looking around.
He sees the door to the base.
It's like why don't you thinklike let me go down and see if
anybody's there?
No, he's like, he looks at it.
He just like closes it.
If you were to go in a house,laura, and see that your
basement door is being held openwith a chair, you wouldn't

(59:01):
think like someone's down there.
Possibly, especially whenthere's things here, that's what
I would have thought.
Like he really plays a part,that he's like selfish,
self-absorbed, he's onlythinking about himself.
So I think he calls a friendthat is out there which ends up
being zach, the director of thismovie that plays the friend,
which is really cool.
He goes out with him.
So at some point, like they'reout in a nightclub or bar or

(59:24):
something, and his friend askshim okay, like between you and I
, like what really happened,like what's going on, he starts
telling his friend okay, we hungout, this isn't that way, and
he basically says in his storythat she was being like hard to
get, kind of like but you knowme, I'm persistent and that like
he's trying to make it soundlike he coaxed her into it and
he said she came around at theend.
This is the viewer we alreadyknow.

(59:45):
Like he's like a selfish person, so he's not listening, most
likely, to this woman that istelling him like no, or
rejecting him.
So maybe at some point he didbasically like bully her into
something that was notconsensual, like how he's trying
to say that it was, or maybelike it was like straight date
rape.
We don't know the details, wejust know that he's an asshole
and most likely it was notconsensual.

(01:00:07):
That's what brings us to this,because even when he was talking
to his agent and he was like,oh, I'm gonna call her, and he's
like, no, absolutely do notcall her, she's the one accusing
you.
No, do not have any contactwith her.
So as he's telling his friendall this stuff, like he gives
this vibe that he's trying toact like very nonchalant, his
expression keeps changing.
That's one of the things that Iwas talking about.
Like you're looking at him andI think the director which plays

(01:00:29):
the friend, like maybe he justdidn't want to have the
spotlight on him.
Or maybe he just wanted to showwhat a great actor aj is,
because you could see it in hisface and his expressions that he
was trying to either convincehis friend or convince himself
that he was not actually doinganything wrong.
And he seems like he's thattype of person that doesn't want
to take responsibility,justifies his actions, like that

(01:00:51):
type of guy that will neverthink he does anything wrong.
Like he gives that vibe andit's crazy because for a moment,
like okay, when he's talking tohis friend, I'm like trying to
buy it, because at this pointI'm thinking he's the only one
that could save her from thishole.
Maybe he really isn't theasshole.
Maybe, like he is misunderstoodand maybe the girl just wants

(01:01:11):
money.
Like if it, I'm gonna accusehim so I could like sue him and
get money.
You know, who knows, one thingis being an asshole, one thing
is being like a real shit person.
So at this time I'm like maybehe's just like an asshole that
comes off wrong, but maybe he'sjust like a, you know, a victim
of circumstance type of thing.
He was targeted.
They're gonna just take hismoney.
I was still like trying tobelieve him and thinking he's
gonna come and save this girl,possibly because he's gonna

(01:01:33):
eventually.
He's just so stupid but he'sgonna get it at the end and,
like, save her hopefully wellfor me.

Laura (01:01:38):
I didn't think that he was gonna save anyone, I thought
he was just gonna like be avictim himself.
I didn't think that test orthat guy well, obviously, the
guy we saw him die.
But I don't.
I didn't think there were anysurvivors.
To be honest, I still left melike cliffhanger.

Esme (01:01:50):
Did she get away?
Like?
If she did, how?
Like?
Yeah, because it just like tookus to this other act too.
I thought he was just gonna belike the next victim.
Yeah he goes back to the houselike afterwards, and he's so
fucked up we see him likethrowing up.
But before he throws up, hecalls that girl who the his
accuser and starts leaving hervoice messages telling her I'm
sorry, um, you know what, like,I'm just, I want to just

(01:02:12):
apologize.
You know, if things were notthe way, you know, like it
seemed so my head at that point,then I'm like, oh, he did it.
Because a person that didn't doanything wrong is gonna be
freaking mad and be like youknow what?
We need to talk.
We need to talk because you'retripping like, you're gonna like
accuse me of something that ifI'm being accused of something
that I did not do, I'm gonna befucking pissed at this person.

(01:02:33):
But just the fact that he'ssaying sorry, I'm like, oh no,
like he did do something, likehe knows he did something wrong,
he is guilty.
And now he's trying to likejust sorry because of all the
shit that's happening to him andhe's losing his life.
That's when I started changingmy mind, like at first I was
still buying his like, oh no,I'm like okay, maybe, maybe this
, maybe that, but no.
After this I was like oh no,he's guilty.
He did basically assault her,and why would he be saying sorry

(01:02:54):
, right?
So then we see him throwing up.
And then, while he's throwingup, he hears a noise.
No, he's hearing it, but hedoesn't know where it's coming
from.
And then he turns.
This is a basement door.
In my head I'm like, hello,stupid, you didn't see there was
a freaking chair.
And in my head I'm like, oh mygod, is it the monster girl?
Or is it like maybe test, likeshe got away and she's trying to
get out?
He's gonna save her again.
I started feeling hope, like, ohmy god, maybe he's hurt, maybe

(01:03:16):
is this or maybe he's about todie.
Like I started getting anxietyall over again.
I mean, was I really likescared for him?
No, I was just scared to seewhat was gonna happen next.
I was just like, okay, so thisis a funny part because he goes
down the basement.
Okay, so he finds the rope.
But instead of being likeshocked, like what the hell is
this rope doing, he's like, oh,hell, yeah.
Like he gets all excited, hestarts looking up or googling

(01:03:39):
can you sell your house more ifthere's additional square
footage?
Like he, it doesn't even dawnon him like what the hell?
He's not worried like the restof humanity would be worried
like the rest of us normalpeople.
I heard a noise and there's atunnel here and a secret door in
my place.
Why is he not questioning that?
He gets all excited and he'sjust taking out a measuring tape
.
Right, he needs money.

(01:04:00):
That's all he's thinking about.
Like he literally found acreepy room and he doesn't even
get scared, he doesn't bat aneye.
He goes in deeper and deeperand continues to measure the
square footage.
He doesn't even notice that thebed and the like he doesn't
care about that.
He trips over the bucket, thatgross one, and he keeps
measuring.
And he's measuring andmeasuring just the feet that he
goes down and he's like, oh mygod.

(01:04:21):
He's ignoring the cages, hekeeps going and he sees the
secret door, he keeps he goesdown.
He's like, oh my god, whateverhe's like, it's all exciting.
He's like, what the hell?
But all happy crazy.

Laura (01:04:31):
He had googled like as an official, like unbuilt, like
unfinished, yeah, count assquare footage on one selling
house, and he's like shit ohwait, but it is possible.

Esme (01:04:42):
If he's like oh fuck, yeah , it's so funny.
And now, which totally fits hischaracter, and then the
inevitable we find a new roomthat we didn't see the first
time.
So we saw that creepy room,right.
But then all of a sudden we seethis other room and there's a
tv on in there and he's sayinghello, is anyone in here like
shut up, bro.
You don't realize you have to behush, hush down here, yeah and

(01:05:04):
it's a tv show that's on thislittle old school tv of like
breastfeeding and it's freakingweird and it was like I call it
the purple room because it hadlike a purple little blanket
carpet thing, and then it waslike maybe the light of the tv
made it look purple but, for me.

Laura (01:05:18):
I just think of the purple room, like it was casting
like a little purple glow andthen no one was in there.
But the fact that there was likeblankets and stuff, I already
knew like that's where thatthing lives, I'm sure.
So then the inevitable happenswhere duh, like, if that thing
is dwelling down there, it'sgonna find him, he's gonna find
it.
And yeah, it was so terribletoo, because did you notice that
in the tunnel there was likeother doors, like square grid,

(01:05:42):
like doors?
They were all open, though Likethey weren't like closed?
I do remember there was.
It's like the same type thatwhen she threw them into the pit
it was the same type thatclosed down, like those type of
doors that have like gaps, likeyou could reach your hand
through it.
Yeah, so he was passing some ofthose which again, like you said
, they weren't really phasinghim, but up until he felt like,
oh, someone else could be downhere, he was like, oh, I'm gonna

(01:06:03):
shoot you.
Like remember, he was saying Ihave yeah I have a gun blast you
whoever's here and sure enoughthe thing finds him.
And is there like a moment where, like the flashlight's kind of
like glitching, like and youcould kind of see, like because
he did try to run but it didn'thelp, he ends up in this like
whole new, a dungeon, but it'slike a little pit in a way.
Yeah, it's a pit and she with agate on top yeah, like that

(01:06:24):
gate that I'm talking about,like the grid, like gate.
Lo and behold, tess is like.
So we realized she's alive.

Esme (01:06:30):
She's been alive this whole time because I'm so happy
to see her life.

Laura (01:06:33):
The property management.
That was so unhelpful.
They were saying like, oh, noone has been there since, like
in weeks, in weeks.
So that gives you the idea thatTess has been trapped there for
weeks because he was evenasking.
No one cleaned here, like noone notices, and she's like we
only clean if a new renter isgonna come.
The last person that rented itwas weeks ago oh my god, okay,
you know what like.

Esme (01:06:53):
So right now, what you're telling me is a new information
for me, because I was under theimpression this was happening at
the same time and that theproperty management was just
like stupid and not keepingtrack of anybody.
Like I'm like, yeah, there waspeople that were staying there.
They didn't even know, but theyweren't even keeping track.
They said that it was likeweeks ago, but you're telling me
it actually was weeks thatpassed.

(01:07:14):
I didn't know that part Likethat's crazy right now.
Because she even lookeddeteriorated, like dirty, or she
looked like Well, I justthought she was dirty because
she was down there.

Laura (01:07:24):
No, she did not look the same as when we last saw her.

Esme (01:07:29):
Oh my God, so she had been living in that thing for a
while.

Laura (01:07:32):
So we learned a lot from her in just that scene, because
she's telling him a lot Like, oh, be quiet If you're upset, she
gets upset.
Like a lot like, oh, be quietif she's a, if you're upset, she
gets upset.
Like all of those are like keythings that we're learning.
And then she continues on tosay that don't you see, she just
wants you to be her baby.
Like you have to drink fromthat milk, because she started,
like in the moment, trying tofeed them.

(01:07:52):
Yeah, like right away, and it'slike a weird bottle.

Esme (01:07:55):
Huh, it's like those bottles that they give when they
feed animals, like you know,baby cows.
You know I'm saying like likethe farmers, like there's like
those.

Laura (01:08:03):
Yeah, it's like for animals, it was so disgusting
though, because I'm like what isthat milk where?

Esme (01:08:07):
is it?
I don't know what's that liquid.

Laura (01:08:09):
Is it rotten, like I was thinking?

Esme (01:08:11):
I was thinking where the fuck did she get milk, or what
liquid is that?
I mean it has to be milk, butwho knows where the fuck she got
it from and how old it is?
I mean it looks like good, ornot?

Laura (01:08:19):
yeah, and even that little thing.
It looked dirty, likeeverything was unsanitary down
there.
So he's like I'm not drinkingthat.
And then tess, since she'slearned a lot and she already
knows the drill she did she wasdown to drink, she's like drink
it.

Esme (01:08:32):
Like don't be stupid, drink it.
Drink it doing like he was justlike hell.

Laura (01:08:35):
No, so she drank from it and then he got snatched and she
like basically took him to thather little room and I already
knew it wasn't going to happen.
Oh my.

Esme (01:08:42):
God, this was like the most worst part, and the thing
is that she just pulled him outlike if he was like a sack of
potatoes.

Laura (01:08:47):
She's really strong.
She's like an abnormal thing.

Esme (01:08:51):
I knew it was going to happen too.

Laura (01:08:52):
Listeners, did you guys know?
Because I already knew, becauseI remembered what was playing
on the tv and then I saw whatshe was gonna do.
I'm like she's gonna try tofeed him by force now yeah,
because he's like, in a way, Iwas happy that she like.
Well, let me just say whathappened.
So she like forced herself uponhim and was like, if you're not
gonna drink from the bottle,then you're gonna drink from me
yeah, she was trying tobreastfeed him like this is not

(01:09:14):
like oh, he's a monster.
Yeah, there's a lot of thingsthat are wrong, that are like
obvious, but I'll just statethem like, first of all, he's
not an infant and like she's notlike a lactating mom a
lactating mom.

Esme (01:09:25):
Second, it's not his mom, so like that's just like so many
things are wrong with it andshe's a monster and she's ugly
like she and she's like looksdirty and scary and ugly like
she doesn't even look like awoman.

Laura (01:09:35):
Just the fact that she looks a woman is the fact that
she has boobs, but that's it.

Esme (01:09:39):
Like you could tell she's a female.
A female, what?
Like she looks like a scary,like I don't know what.
Like I was still questioning isshe?
What is she Like?
Is she like?

Laura (01:09:50):
Well, like someone says she's a demon.
Someone even thought it waslike a hell from hell.
Like from hell, yeah, becauseshe looks said, was like.
Oh well, then when you told melast time, I don't know if your
opinion changed, but you werelike oh well, she must have been
lactating because her boobswere like saggy and like down,
and I'm just like no, theylooked full like they did not

(01:10:11):
full.
They look like when she wasstanding to me, they did not
look full, they're like 40 yearold boobs.
They look like they're done for, like they're hanging to the
floor they weren't.

Esme (01:10:21):
That's like you were, that's like I don't remember,
they were just more scared theywere.

Laura (01:10:25):
They were really like bad , but um, I mean in my head.

Esme (01:10:29):
No girls, yeah, but you know what I was thinking?
Okay, because, like, at thispoint we don't know if what's
been going on there before theygot there.
So, like for all we know, thereis like people that she
breastfeeds, like that she'sbeen breastfeeding forever.
I mean, who knows she might,where's she getting that milk?
She might be making milk.
I don't think so, we just don'tknow.

Laura (01:10:46):
That's like an unanswered question, I feel like I think
she went upstairs to the fridgeand she has access and like, got
milk or something.
Who's buying the fucking milk?
Like maybe she grabbed it, Idon't know.
So look, that part is an answer.
Like you said, what I did likeabout this was that like it's
rubbed in our face the theme oflike rape and how women are
targets and blah blah and weskipped over the part that they

(01:11:08):
showed us a scene that lookedout of place with the movie
about this guy that was apredator to women.
We skipped that whole sceneright now.

Esme (01:11:14):
But that's the part I was gonna say.

Laura (01:11:15):
I don't remember when they showed that it happened
right before, like this sceneBefore the breastfeeding.
I think so Because of what Ithought about, because I
remember what I felt when I sawthis scene.
So that means I already knewwhat was going on with that guy.

Esme (01:11:26):
Yeah, that's important.
Well, we could share it.

Laura (01:11:27):
But right now I'm going to tie it back.

Esme (01:11:28):
Okay.

Laura (01:11:33):
So what I did like about this scene, which is like weird,
like what could he possiblylike was that, since we are,
women, are always targeted,always abused.
I'm like finally there's a guywho could be a questionable
rapist.
He's getting abused right nowoh yeah, I thought that too,
like that's what he gets.

Esme (01:11:48):
It's what it feels like to be like for something that you
do not want to be done to youforcefully, like you have no
choice, like they're forcing you.
Like, even if you're saying nosomehow, you have no power and
you're still a huevo.
Like guess what you are doingthis?
Yep, that's exactly what I saidso yeah.
So that part was kind of likeyeah, cool, f you, f you aj.
But okay, go back to the veryimportant part that.

Laura (01:12:08):
I do not remember what part it started you guys will
see it and it's like the onlypart of the movie that's out of
the time frame that we're livingin the movie, because it's like
a modern movie, but then we getblasted to like the 80s.

Esme (01:12:20):
I don't know because they said reagan, okay, okay.

Laura (01:12:23):
That's the only thing that you know that, and then to
me it looked like a like thoselike utopia ugly neighborhood.
It looked almost like the 50s,like the women ladies.
That's what I was gonna say,this we don't know you guys can
let us know and correct us, liketo what exact era this was in,
because I also thought it wasthe 50s.

Esme (01:12:38):
That's why I want to watch this movie again, but you know
what I I do think it was the 80sbecause even the women were and
the men the way they weredressed in the carritos it
looked like the 50s.
No, his car was the 80s car.
Okay, no, so so erase all thatit is 80s.

Laura (01:12:51):
It is now that I'm thinking about the vehicles,
because the girls were wearinglike gowns, like from greece,
like those big, like poofydresses.
No, yeah, the girls.

Esme (01:13:00):
They were wearing that.
I didn't see anybody with apoofy dress girl that he's like
oh, I'm your plumber.
She wasn't wearing a poofydress.
It wasn't like no, it was not apoofy dress, maybe but it
looked very like it reminded mekind of like the 60s, but it's
not.

Laura (01:13:12):
It wasn't yeah and then the fact that all the houses
were pastel and like lined uplike that, like that utopia
neighborhood type thing.

Esme (01:13:20):
That's like an old layout back in the day for sure like
50s, so whatever hey, so so mythings that say what I'm saying
is that it was the 80s isbecause the age of that man that
we found at the end which Idon't want to jump ahead, but
he's he could have still beenalive, he was, he looked,
already looked older, so like Ithink he would have been.
So I think the ideal time is80s.
And then, plus, I said that Idefinitely heard them talk about

(01:13:40):
reagan as the president andpresident reagan was during the
80s at some point and definitelyI paid attention to his car
because I was trying to figureout what kind of car it was and
it was like from the 80s.
It was like a four-door likesome kind of elder.
No, not good thing that you payattention to those details no
the other car that passed by wasel dorado.
His car was more like afour-door chevy impala or
something like that payattention to those details.

Laura (01:14:01):
So the all of that is actually relevant, because the
point is that he is a predatorand he is so such, not like a
regular, like weirdo creeper guy.
He's like an actual personthat's down to like abduct
people and like do damagebecause, first of all, he was
shopping things that you needwhen you're when a woman's gonna
give birth, and he even saidlike no, there's no midwife and

(01:14:22):
no, I'm not taking her to thehospital, like it's just me and
her but he had like a weirdattitude like like kind of like
dull, very like just matter offact, give me what I need and
I'm out of here.

Esme (01:14:30):
Yeah, and you don't know yet, like and and remember, the
lady threw in that videotape.
That's where they got thevideotape the lactating one.

Laura (01:14:37):
Yeah, the lady that was helping him buy his plastic
sheets and diapers and all thatjunk, yeah, so she threw that in
there he had like a weirdattitude like I would think like
an expecting father is going tobe excited and he's going to
want to take her to a hospitalor at least have a midwife to
help.
But he was like no, if he'slike an expecting father with a
wife or whatever that's pregnant, why is he over there like
looking at some other girlthat's just minding her own

(01:14:59):
business?
And then the fact that he wouldfollow her to her house, like
all of that.
And then he had that weirdoutfit and plan he plans to do
something in that moment that'sgonna benefit him later, because
it alludes to he's gonna goback later, break in her house
and take her.
So he, like you said, he has afreaking jumpsuit at hand that

(01:15:19):
says carlos, a carlos.
I've thought about that.
Like carlos ain't no mexicannot carlos.

Esme (01:15:25):
You can tell that he's not a carlos.
I'm like who did you jack forthis outfit?

Laura (01:15:29):
yeah probably had a thrift shop maybe.
And again it shows you thetimes that they live, because
nowadays ain't nobody gonna letyou in their house like that.
But she's like, okay, yeah,like you can go check my my
water pressure, my waterpressure, like she just let him
in, didn't even follow him to belike, oh like, let me see what
you're doing.

Esme (01:15:45):
Let me see, you don't have a clipboard, and she's like oh,
like, everything's fine.
Then he's like yeah, and all hedid was unlock her window door
so it could be unlocked when hegoes later yeah, because in this
bathroom it wasn't the littletiny windows up on top, it was
like a big, like full-sizewindow that you could lock and
like lift up and then the worstsign is like when he's going
home to that oh, and we didn'teven mention this man is exiting

(01:16:08):
and entering his home.

Laura (01:16:09):
That's the rental property.
Yes, we didn't even touch baseon that.
That's like the most importantpart.
He lives there, so he's likethe previous owner or inhabitant
of that thing and theneighborhood was once all nice.

Esme (01:16:21):
And then remember that his neighbor came and told him and
his neighbor didn't even thinkweird that he was that outfit
with the carlos name on it, buthe went up to him and he was
like oh, did you hear whatreagan is doing to her economy?
I guess what he's talking about, reagan I don't know.
And he's just like oh yeah, allthis neighborhood's gonna go to
shit.
He goes, he goes where he goes.
Don't be surprised tomorrow.
I have a for sale sign in frontof my house and like, basically
he's saying like we're gonnalike a lot of us are leaving the

(01:16:43):
neighborhood, are you gonnastay?
And he goes oh yeah, I'm notgoing nowhere.

Laura (01:16:46):
The biggest factor in this that shows like okay, he's
a bad man is that he goes backto his house and we realize like
he doesn't really have a wifeand family or something like
normal.
What it is is that, like youalready fill in the blanks like
he abducts females and maybethey end up pregnant because he
like does.
And then you know like aboutthat room that's in the house.
So now it makes sense like, oh,he's the one that made all that
, because he walks straight tothe basement door, he opens it

(01:17:08):
and there's a girl screaming,like like it was muffled because
it was closed, but she's likescreaming and she's probably,
like you don't know, in agony ormaybe he like tortured her,
like has her in like a weirdstate, and then he's going with
all the supplies who knows,maybe she was about to give
birth and he's like, oh, I gottago to the store real quick yeah
, she's probably in the middleof giving birth tied up
somewhere, and then that nighthe was gonna go up to the other
lady yeah, we don't really havenothing like spelled out for us,

(01:17:29):
but we could fill in the blankthat fool's not a normal man
now it jumps back to like whatwe already.
So then at this point, testdoes what like she should have
done a long time ago.
And she sees that he's busybreastfeeding.
So she's like this is my chance.
Now that she's distracted thatlady they call her the mother
she's like I'm dipping, so shegets out.
She literally escaped and shepasses by that room and sees

(01:17:50):
that he's struggling and she'slike I'm out, she's rushing out
of there and she moves ameasuring tape which then alerts
the mother that she's fleeingand she's out that was so scary,
because I was like no, likeyou're almost out, just run,
yeah.
So then she just starts bookingit even more and the door is
once again shut of the basement.
Yes, that one little windowshe's like I gotta go out, yeah

(01:18:13):
she breaks it, it's somehow,she's halfway, huh, as soon as
she's getting out and likestruggling, because I imagine
it's hard if you're using yourupper body and trying to like I
was like there's no way she'sgonna get up she.
She's getting out and lo andbehold, that crazy homeless that
was once chasing her in thestart is there and helps her.
He helps her, he drags her outof there and boom, right behind

(01:18:34):
her.
It's kind of like that it scenewhere, like you see the clown
in the little bottom of the curb, like in the sewer, like
reaching out his hands to getGeorgie it was that same thing
Like the mother was right behindher about to grab her.
You could see the mother, theface and the arms In daylight
now, which you could see howugly and scary she is.
And then now you realize allthe homeless all along was

(01:18:55):
trying to warn her about don'tgo in there.

Esme (01:18:57):
Yeah, which is the homeless that was chasing her
when she was running in the door?
Judge people by theirappearances yeah like he that we
thought that he was like thebad person and then homeless
person, which we think, oh, he'spart of the hills, have eyes,
people that live here.
And he was not.
He was just trying to help her.

Laura (01:19:13):
He was trying to help her and he told her I told you not
to go there.
So all along she is provingherself to be like dumb slash,
selfless person, because she'sstill trying to help the people
that are trapped there and shetried to help bill, but
obviously you know, we alreadyknow how that turned out and
once again she feels aninclination to not leave that
one guy behind.

Esme (01:19:31):
Aj yeah, and the homeless guy is trying to tell him, no,
you can't go back for himbecause no, we have to, and I'm
selfish like that, I would havebeen like no, I'm leaving.

Laura (01:19:40):
Like this was the third chance that god gave me to leave
, I'm not gonna go back I?

Esme (01:19:44):
I don't know what I would.
I know that I would want tohelp him.
Would I put myself in danger tohelp him?

Laura (01:19:49):
no, I wouldn't put myself in danger, but I would have
been like, let me call the copsjust like you did, and if the
cops don't do anything, that'sand guess what the cops did.

Esme (01:19:55):
They didn't help.
Not a damn freaking thing theywere.
Why was I not?
Surprised they were alsojudging her by her looks,
because she looked all dirty andlike like she's been in a hole
and the fact that it was thatneighborhood that's like
abandoned, they just thought shewas probably up to no good and
she's like I'm not crazy, andthey were just looking at her
like I feel like I feel like ifyou say that you sound more
crazy, but anyways but you knowwhat I sort of got and I'm not

(01:20:16):
gonna talk about it here.
But I've had bad experienceswith cops, unfortunately, and
that's the literally I felt,like that's the way they like
listen to you, like they don'tbelieve a word that you're
saying, like you can tell, likeI'm in trouble, like this
happened, this happened.
They look at you like likewe've heard it all, like we
heard it all get our get out ofour face.
You know like, instead, likeshe's like I escaped.
You know like I was being heldagainst my will, like I

(01:20:37):
literally have been insituations that I've been like
just because someone made me goand tell the cops, and for what?

Laura (01:20:42):
yeah, no shade to the good cops out there yeah,
exactly, because there's goodand bad in every industry
unfortunately, these wereasshole cops.
So then the little homeless manends up telling her a good key
point.
He says make sure he's like dowhatever you want, make sure
you're not here at night,because she comes out at night.
So that was very telling,because it's like, oh, she roams
when it's dark.
Then you kind of remember thebeginning that.

(01:21:02):
So she was the one that openedthe door and was like being my
teacher.
Honestly, after that things movepretty fast, like she is
willing to go back and she hasthis moment of like.
I feel like adrenaline because,just like the homeless guy
anticipated, the woman is out,remember.
She goes in her car, it'snighttime and she's like I guess
she had made a decision, likeI'm not gonna leave aj.

(01:21:24):
So the woman is out into thestreet and boom, she decides to
run her over.
Damn okay, like maybe she died.
That's all it took.
It was a good, opportune moment, but now her car's wrecked.
So that's what ends up a badsign, because now you gotta like
run your ass out of that cityand then, secondly, is it
confirmed that that's all ittook for that strong ass lady to
die, because, remember, she'sstrong?
I thought she was pinned Ithought at first like okay,

(01:21:45):
she's not gonna be able to getaway but since she's strong, you
know, maybe she pushed the carto think yeah, so she wastes no
time.
She runs back into, like thewhole downstairs, all that, yeah
, she disappears and she gets.
Well, we're also kind of liketraveling fast because aj at
that point is also trying tomake a run for it, and he finds
another door which you're likewhat can possibly get like?

(01:22:07):
Well, how can this get worse?
yes and he finds the rapist fromthe 50s or whatever era we're
talking about and we don't.

Esme (01:22:14):
He doesn't know.
He finds his old man, like anelderly man, in the bed right
coughing, and he's like he'strying to help him.

Laura (01:22:20):
Oh, my god, I'm gonna get you out of here and this and
that, and then the the man keptpointing to something that was
kind of like in the air.
Aj didn't know what he meant,but la rimolawa and come to a
little side table and there waswe didn't know yet, but there
was a gun that he was trying toget.
So you know, old man isharmless and the thing is that.
But now, when he has a gun inhis hand, right.

Esme (01:22:39):
And at first, aj, this is the part that made the man like
point at that that he wantedthat, because he said, oh my God
, there's something out thereLike you know, don't worry, I'm
going to help you.
Like, as soon as I get out ofhere, we're going to have cops
all over this place, like don'tworry, and this and that.

Laura (01:22:55):
So I think that is what made him want to be like maybe
because all that room was likeincriminating things of
everything that he had done,because there was like
videotapes of every yeah,because as, like you know, that
man was trying to like, getwhatever he was trying to get.

Esme (01:23:10):
What we didn't know was a gun.
Yet from the drawer he startslooking around right like well,
how do we get out of here?
and all of a sudden he sees,like these tapes, right, they're
all labeled of likedescriptions of girls they're
labeled like redhead from thegas station and then puker, and
like like verbs and adjectivesabout like these women
descriptions, you know.
So like he was like what thehell?

(01:23:31):
There was one that was alreadyin there, maybe that he pushed
in, yeah, and it came out andright away he's like what the
hell is this?
And like he like turned it offand he turned around and right
when he turned around, he gotscared because he saw him
getting the gun out and we allthink like, oh, that was gonna
blast him right now, but heinstead turns it on himself and
he shoots himself in the head.
Why?
Because he's an elderly manthat thinks he's gonna get
caught, finally, and doesn'twant to be.

(01:23:53):
He's an old-ass man.
The cops come and they're gonnatake him and then what?
Like he's already, like boom,I'm out.

Laura (01:23:57):
So he's like what the fuck?
Yeah, so then you guys will seethat scene, you guys can
interpret it, because and thenhe goes and he gets the gun.

Esme (01:24:04):
So at this time I still think that he's gonna go and
help tess.
I still think he's gonna likethis guy's so stupid he's gonna
ruin his life.
Because I'm already thinking inmy head like, let's say, she
calls the cops and he alreadyhas this incriminating thing
that's happening to him, thathe's being accused of something.
I go and then they're gonnafind that he owns this house.
That man's dead.

(01:24:24):
He got the gun.
His prints are on it.
They're gonna think he killedthat old man.
For whatever reason I go,they're gonna think that that's
his room.
That was here, his tapes.
I was already thinking like thatfool's fuck, like all this is
gonna look it's his.
Because I'm still thinking he,there might be something good
about him.
Like I'm still thinking, oh, atthe end he's going to help Tess
and he's not a bad guy as badas we think he is.
I'm like, damn, now they'regoing to think that he's the one

(01:24:47):
because he owns it.
So now it's going to come outin the news that he owns this
and there was this weird shitgoing on with the tunnels and
whatever.
They're going to pin it on him.
That's what I thinking thiswhole time still yeah well, I
didn't think about.

Laura (01:24:58):
That's really insightful.
And then he has a gun in hispossession so, as he's running
out bad timing, tess is in theretrying to save him.
So he shoots her because hethinks that she's the monster
but, he luckily realizes hismistake and he helps her.
He's like we're gonna, we'regonna leave together, like don't
worry, I got you he tells herI'm sorry, like, and that was so
terrible.

Esme (01:25:17):
Because we're thinking like oh my god, and why did I
know?
I have, I had a feeling I'mlike that, as soon as that fool
like gets the gun and she'scoming down and even though she
was like hello, I'm like girl,you're about to get shot and
boom.

Laura (01:25:30):
so I think about it.
She's walking in thereconfidently because she doesn't
think anything else exists downthere other than that lady.
And she's like I just ran over.
And then he, she's thinking,well, there, there's no tools
here, like she doesn't imaginethat he has a gun, yeah, and
he's strapped, like that.
So they both leave outside andthey realize the lady's not
there.
So it's like a world ofemotions for both of them.
And then he left.
He lost his keys right Like he.

(01:25:52):
Yeah, they were just like theysaid, where he lived, by the
water tower.
So they're like that's our likesafe haven for tonight.
So they go over there andthey're walking and they're like
we're almost there and, yeah,they find him.
He's like I told you that it waslike a funny, a funny little
scene, because you know he's,he's there like right where she
knew he would be.

(01:26:12):
He starts saying like moreinformation too.
It's a very like informativescene too, because he obviously
knows a lot about like he's beenthere the house and the guy who
used to live there.
And he tells them like, oh, youmight have owned that house,
but that guy never left, they'venever left.
And then he just starts to saythat like he was first of all
like abusing, kidnapping andraping women, but that he was
also doing like incest with theoffspring that were being

(01:26:35):
created.
So then we kind of know, like,why she came out born like that.

Esme (01:26:47):
Because she's like her genetics are probably wrecked.
And the thing is, too, that hesaid like to the when they were
trying to go over there.
We have to go back, or whatever.
He's like hell, no, was it whenshe was by herself.
He goes up with the mother andwhatever he's like.
You know what?
There's worse things down therethan her so it made me think
like are there more like herdown there?
Which?

Laura (01:26:59):
we never saw that, or did he mean the dad like we don't
know?
That was already on.
What's he gonna do?

Esme (01:27:02):
I know, so is that stayed in my head there's worse things
down there, and just the factthat, like how he said, like
that story, the incest thing,like I'm like so is there more
that's what made me think too,like maybe she still likes it,
like maybe there's other littlebeings there that they just
recreate within themselves orsomething.

Laura (01:27:18):
Yeah, like who knows, who knows?
Well, we didn't get that far,so it's all up to interpretation
and that's what's cool aboutthis movie.
Like you can fill in the blankshowever you want.

Esme (01:27:25):
I really like this movie for that reason because, like
I'm telling you, it keptsurprising me.
Like it kept surprising me,like the story kept like what
the hell?

Laura (01:27:33):
What the hell it was was like how are you so sure that
this is a safe place?

Esme (01:27:39):
And the moment she asked that question, I'm like dude, no
, she's going to come today, andto me it was the way he
answered that made me oh no,he's dead.
He's like I've been here for 15years and I have never seen
this, and boom, she just breaksthrough the wall, whatever
little setup he had.
Yeah.

Laura (01:27:59):
And she attacks him, she kills him.
A very like you don't knowwhat's gonna happen now, like
there's a final moment wherehe's reaching the peak.
They just make a run for it.
Remember, tess is unfortunatelyworst time being injured, so
she's like suffering a littlewound as she's trying to like
move fast.
The thing about them and likewhy did they decide?
I guess the easiest thing wasto go up because it was stairs,
but I'm like why would you go?
up, because then you like,you're trapped up like if you're

(01:28:20):
walking, running in the street,though you'll keep running,
running like a maze.

Esme (01:28:23):
Yeah, that was stupid.
But at the same time I thought,okay, well, she can't get far
in her condition.
And the only thing I wasthinking was like if they're up
and that lady's trying to get up, they could kick her and they
could do things to make her falldown.
Like it's easier to guard theperimeter than to be being
chased by her.
She's gonna grab him regardless.
So in my head that was like theonly thing, that what I felt.
But then I started thinkinglike that guy, because you saw

(01:28:45):
how like he left her behind andhe started climbing up and she
could barely climb.
He was like hurry up hurry up,hurry up.
But he was already like goingahead and then, like she could
barely drag herself up thestairs and I'm like damn, like
that boy is like all mad forhimself at this moment but I'm
still still thinking.
Will he help?
Do you try to help?

Laura (01:29:02):
And then she made it up the stairs to the top of the
water tower and then she's like,oh, your gun and his stupid ass
.
Out of nervousness he drops it.
What an idiot.
But that would have been theirsaving grace right there, yeah.
And then he says she's comingup.

Esme (01:29:16):
I would have just been like we have to just kick her.
Kick her in the face, so shefalls off.

Laura (01:29:20):
I think we already knew at that point that, like she
didn't really like him becausethey did they weren't able to
bond, like he rejected her.
But since she was going withthe flow, we already realized
test became the future'sfavorite uh-huh so like she
wanted to like keep her, so thatclicked in his head too.
So that's when he decided to doa very selfish, horrible thing,
asshole thing.

Esme (01:29:40):
Because he couldn't fight her off like a real man, or,
let's say, like that didn't work, they were both gonna die but
what did he do?
say it, he sacrificed tess.
He's like you know what shewants you.
So I'm sorry, baby.
He's like here, take your baby,go get your baby.
And he literally grabs this andthrows her off the building.
And I'm like, did he justfucking throw off the building

(01:30:01):
to save himself?
Like one thing is like okay,like a regular asshole person.
Let's say they're in the room,we'll leave her behind.
Well, okay, she's like her.
He could just run and go downthe stairs and like okay, you
can worry about yourself.
That's still being a freakinghorrible asshole fighting to get
her and throw her off thebuilding.
Go get your baby.
That's like dude.

Laura (01:30:20):
And piece of shit that she went.
But she would have been homealready and she still went.
She's only in that situationbecause she went back.
She went back for him.
Yeah, that's why you don't go.

Esme (01:30:27):
And then the mom well, not for people like him.
But how do we know?
How do we know?
But see then.
But guess what?
She did get saved becausesomehow the mom went after her
baby because she was bigger likemore heavy we call her the mom
just because the mother themovie like titles her that way.
But ain't nothing motherlyabout her we just she's trying
to be motherly, she's trying totake care of tez, but yeah,

(01:30:48):
she's like.
That was like a little likelike a very sweet moment because
it's like okay.

Laura (01:30:53):
So at the end let's just say, let's just say she falls.

Esme (01:30:56):
Yeah, let's just say she falls, but the mom I guess the
mother, the monster, slash,whatever you want to call her
the barbarian.
She falls to the ground somehowbefore tess.
She breaks tess's fall.
So they both fall down, buttess falls on top of her like
she lands on her somehow.
So that's the only thing thatsaved her.
So she actually saved tess.

Laura (01:31:17):
And tess wakes up and she's like, oh whatever, but
then she's still not dead and,and then AJ's like oh, you know,
I'm sorry, like again, like youknow, you understand, right, I
had to throw you off, but youunderstand, I got you, I got you
, we're getting out of thistogether.

Esme (01:31:29):
Like yeah, he goes down and he's still, but that's the
same thing.
It to do that right, like hewants to make it like okay, oh,
you would do it too, but but nowwe're here together, so let's
just move on.

Laura (01:31:45):
they're like fuck that bull, you know.

Esme (01:31:47):
Yeah, like see a lot of his true colors in this movie
and I feel like people are likethat there's a lot of assholes
like that, like that will justthrow you under the bus, throw
you off a building and thenapologize to you, just because,
like, they think it's okay,because they're just trying to
save themselves you know allright.

Laura (01:32:00):
So then they really like stand up.
And then the mother is likelike she wakes up, yeah, she
wakes up like she's likeundefeatable, undefeatable.
She grabs him because she seeshim as the threat.

Esme (01:32:10):
Like you just try to murder my baby so she grabs him
by the neck and then pulls himup, and then she gives her
thumbs with her long nails thatare like overgrown and she
sticks them in his eye sockets,which I think was a great way to
die for him as an actor,because in jeepers creepers,
which is where I remember himfrom, his death was also.

Laura (01:32:33):
His eyes were gone.
So I'm like is this on purposeshut up?
That's the last scene ofjeepers creepers.
They show his face and he hasno eyeballs.

Esme (01:32:41):
Oh my god so I, I recognize that.
I mean in jeepers creepers.
It was about like, take a lookat those peepers, just like your
eyes.
Oh, jeepers creepers, take alook at them peepers.
Okay, I don't know about thatsong, but that's how little
thing was.
Anyways, who cares um?
The point is that I, I, Iforgot about that, I didn't know
.

Laura (01:32:58):
So, yes, so like I've been waiting the whole podcast
to say that.

Esme (01:33:03):
So she sticks her thumbs like all up in his eye sockets
and they like into his brainsand like obviously he dies, yeah
, a very horrible death that heso deserves, that he deserves.
And then, and this is thebittersweet, moment.

Laura (01:33:16):
Go, no, no, go.
I don't want to say that endingwas like memorable, even though
I didn't feel the same way.

Esme (01:33:21):
Okay, so the mother turns around and gets tess and she's
still like hurt and whateverright, and she like goes and
caresses her cheek and then like, at first like we're scared and
tess is like scared but thenshe's like baby.
She tries to say like baby withher, like weird voice, but then
she does a little, she, shekisses her fingers and then she
puts it on her face and I'm like, oh my god, like she's.

(01:33:44):
I really at this moment.
I know that she was a monsterand she killed keith and this
guy but he deserted who knowswho the hell like else she
killed.
It was just like those threepeople we saw her kill, but we
don't know like who else she'skilled throughout her life.
So obviously she's a killer.
I was like who's Keith?
So, like you know, she killspeople.

(01:34:04):
But like, obviously she haslike her feelings and like her
in her brain.
Tess was her baby.

Laura (01:34:10):
That's probably all she wanted in life and she's, yeah,
and that's all the only videothat she watches over and over
again.

Esme (01:34:15):
So she's probably, like, always wanted a baby that to
take care of and she's trying,she a baby that's take care of,
and she's trying.
She was trying to take care ofher and she was.
She kept her alive in a cage atthe bottom, but she kept her
alive and then now she's tryingto, like, save her from this guy
that was trying to throw heroff the building.
So she gave her a kiss on theforehead kiss but like on her
hand, and then she put in herforehead.
So at this moment I, as theviewer, felt like sorry for this

(01:34:36):
creature because, like,obviously she was the fruit of
all this, like torture and rapeand like abuse that this man,
this elderly man, frank, thatwas like killing women, raping,
butchering since the 80s.
She was obviously the fruit ofthat, you know.
So she was something that camefrom something horrible and her

(01:34:57):
only life that she ever knew wasliving in these tunnels and
whatever her, that little videothat she kept watching was.
You know, I'm saying so I didfeel sorry for her.
I'm like, dude, like where doyou fit in this world?
You don't like you're.
You're a monster created bythis person.
I did feel sorry for her, butthen I even think tess knew that
she was reaching and she grabsthe gun she already knows.

(01:35:18):
The only way I could savemyself from being dragged back
down to the tunnel and livingwith this lady forever is if I
shoot her right now.
So she got it.
She put it really slow.
I feel like the mother lookedat the gun and she just either
she she didn't know what it wasbecause she just kind of like
she like put her cheek againstit, like she like like almost
like like she thought tess wascaressing her with it or, if she

(01:35:40):
knew, she knew what it was likeshe probably accepted the fact,
like well, I thought sheaccepted it.
I think she would have goneberserk, I don't know, because I
think at this point she lovedTess.
The point is that Tess, thatwas her only chance and she
finally made a decision.
And she did the right decisionand she shot her dead.
She made the right decisiondead because that was the only
way that she was going to killthis person.
Obviously, she already fell offa building, she already got run

(01:36:01):
over, she already whatever, andshe was not dying.
So the only way was to kill herwith the gun, which she finally
burned her at the stake.

Laura (01:36:07):
I'm just kidding.
And then she went walking dawnlike walking I hate when that
happens, when in movies it'slike oh, very great timing, son,
you decided to come around now.

Esme (01:36:16):
We needed you like an hour ago oh my god, I know why is
that.
You know what?
I'm glad that you say thatbecause there's a lot of movies
that like are dude, like dude,like it's all nighttime and then
like, finally, when the suncomes, like oh, yeah, I already
finished.

Laura (01:36:28):
Like, yeah, all the drama so, like on legit, you know
dictionary vibes right here.
Barbarian means this in ancienttimes a member of a community
or tribe not belonging to one ofthe great civilizations, such
as greek, roman, christian.
What does it mean to callsomeone a barbarian, a person
from an uncivilized culture or aperson with no manners?
Okay, I know like by the bookthey're referring to the mother

(01:36:52):
or that lady as the barbarian,but now, like with all these
other characters like who do youthink is a real barbarian?
Aj?

Esme (01:36:59):
or is it frank?

Laura (01:36:59):
I think it's frank, but yeah, aj's like in that category
of like, they're the ones thatare barbarians, that are like
don't know how to live in acivilization and be like good
human beings.
Yeah.

Esme (01:37:08):
I mean, I feel the original barbarian was Frank,
even though we only saw him likein a memory.

Laura (01:37:14):
Because you know what I argue.
It's Frank, because justifiableat all.
When he saw the tapes like wedon't know what was in it he
looked like he was reallyunsettled, like yeah, he's a
rapist, but he wouldn't go dowhat frank did right.

Esme (01:37:26):
So I mean, in reality, I think, yeah, frank, even though
he had minimal, like minimalscreen time, but he was, we are.

Laura (01:37:33):
We already knew that he was like the worst person alive
like he was bad, like that wasbad yeah, so horrible, but at
the same time, like that's whatI'm saying, like it wasn't like
barbarian.

Esme (01:37:42):
No, it definitely was not the mother creature, it wasn't
her.

Laura (01:37:46):
Like I know, like it's directed to her but I think on
purpose too, like they want usto ponder on that idea.
So you'll definitely enjoy it,because it's a movie filled with
like ups and downs and, like Isaid, it left an impression on
me.

Esme (01:37:59):
I don't think I've ever seen a movie like this one I
really hope that our listenershave already watched it because,
like normally, I don't careabout spoilers.
I like to know someone.
I know for sure you, you're aliar, you don't like spoilers.

Laura (01:38:12):
I don't know why you keep saying on the podcast I'm
outing her right now, um you'realways saying like no, you're
spoiling it, or like no, why doyou want to get it spoiled?

Esme (01:38:22):
I say that when other people spoil it for other people
, I don't really care about it.
Okay, but I know that otherpeople will, so it's like, okay,
don't spoil it for that person,especially if they're watching
it at that moment.
Don't spoil it, because we'reliterally going to see that
right now.
Well, they know already that wetalk about like everything.

(01:38:43):
So that's what I'm saying.
I'm hoping now they know youguys know listeners, hopefully,
anyways, yes, so I'm gonna saythat this is one of, like one of
the movies that I reallyenjoyed it like I haven't
enjoyed a movie this much in avery long time, like it was
really good and I can't believeI didn't watch it 2022 when it
came out right, shout out tolaura's co-workers, because
they're the ones thatrecommended the movie to you and

(01:39:03):
then you to me yeah, they havereally good recommendations.

Laura (01:39:07):
Now, every time they mention something like this week
they one of the girls.
She brought up another movieand I'm thinking to myself like
I'm actually gonna watch it.
Usually that flies over my head.
I'm like I don't care whatpeople recommend if I don't want
to do it, but I trust them.
They're credible recommenders,so hopefully we have made it to
that category in your lives.
We're credible horror movierecommendators.

Esme (01:39:26):
I don't know how to say it Good try.

Laura (01:39:30):
How would you rate this movie?
I rate it, like I said, 15 outof 10.
Oh yeah, it was really good.

Esme (01:39:34):
Highest point possible.
Boom, it broke your scale.
This is like a five-star movie.

Laura (01:39:39):
So yeah, because of the fact that the movie is up for
interpretation, there's a lot ofpoints that you could, you know
, draw your own conclusion, feelfree to send us an email if you
maybe have like a contrastingidea about what happened.

Esme (01:39:54):
ChicasCucuy at gmailcom.
Also, if any of you guys haveany scary stories that you would
like to share with us, pleasesend us a little summary of what
it's about to chicasguy atgmailcom.
You can also put in yourcontact information because if
we like it, we'll respond andmaybe interview you in our
podcast.
All right, so I guess we bothlike this movie and I'm down to
watch it again, because I knowtwo people in my household

(01:40:16):
haven't seen it and now that weknow it's on hulu, let's watch
it again me too.

Laura (01:40:21):
Run, don't walk to see the movie.
Okay, all right, and even ifyou have to rent it on amazon
prime, it's worth it 23 bucks,so it's fine okay, it's worth it
, so it's worth it.
And up next our scary story.
So stay tuned all right,everybody.

Esme (01:40:44):
So now we're gonna get to the part where we talk about a
scary true story.
The one that we have for todayis sent by richard j, and he
actually gave permission to readit, and here's the story.
So I'll start it now.
You ready, laura?
I'm ready?
Okay, so this is what he wroteyears ago.
I visited the axe murder housein velisca, iowa, where a couple

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and six children were murderedback in 1912.
I was in upstairs bedroom wherethe four little kids died.
There's a thing on the wallcontaining their photos and
names.
One is paul, who was six yearsold.
I asked if anyone there wasnamed Paul.
After a minute or so, thecloset door, which was firmly
shut, slowly creaked open a fewinches, like in the old horror

(01:41:25):
movies, all by itself.
Then it creaked shut all byitself.
It did that three more times.
My heart was pounding.
I was really scared.
I almost got up and ran.
It was almost like that littleguy was playing hide and seek
with me.
But the house's caretaker, whohad been there for years, says
that he now thinks a demon makesthe visitors think that they're
experiencing the children'sghosts, and that's even scarier.

(01:41:47):
There's all kinds of Axe MurderHouse info online, but it's
truly a haunted place.
Okay, so that's what he sent ina message.
What do you think about that?

Laura (01:42:04):
Do you think it's actually the child or, like the
caretaker says that he thinksit's a demon making visitors
think it's the kids, I thinkthat it's a demon disguising
themselves as the child.
And first of all, I think thatlike this richard guy is like
interesting that he voluntarilydecided to go visit the house,
because that's also him likelooking for trouble yes and
poking around in a hauntedenvironment.
So, like A, he's very brave forthat.
But B could be seen as a coolthing because he got what he
wanted, like he got to see.

(01:42:24):
He got to experience somethingscary because, he said, even his
heart was pounding.
So I guess he left out of therelike with his money's worth.
But yeah, I think the fact thathe did experience something and
all that I mean it has to bebad juju for sure.
I don't think.
I don't think, like children'sor any, any dead souls
necessarily linger in the house,especially if they were taken
out like that, like they weremurdered, right?

Esme (01:42:44):
yeah like you know that's just bad energy that I'm sure
another demon thrives off ofvery creepy indeed, yes, so
maybe I should have read thispart first, but I'm actually
gonna give like a little minibackground on it.
So the valiska axe murdersoccurred between the evening and
early morning of june 9 and 101912 in the town of valiska,
iowa in the united states.
The six members of the morefamily and two guests were found

(01:43:07):
bludgeoned in the moreresidence.
All eight victims, includingsix children, had severe head
wounds from the axe.
A lengthy investigation yieldedseveral suspects, one of whom
was tried twice.
The first trial ended in a hungjury.

Laura (01:43:19):
That's so sad.
Like I thought Axe, I didn'tthink Axe was like Axe Murder
House.
I didn't think that was inreference to the murder weapon.

Esme (01:43:25):
Yeah, well, yeah, what's it gonna be?

Laura (01:43:27):
I don't know, like their last name or where they live,
Like who killed them?
Just someone Like a serialkiller.

Esme (01:43:40):
It says several suspects twice.
Damn, the first trial ended ina hung jury and the second ended
in an acquittal.
Right here it says that accusedhis name was reverend george
kelly.
That's even crazy reverend, andthe verdict was not guilty on
the second trial, so he's asuspect.
Over time any possible suspectsemerged, including reverend
george kelly, frank of jones,william lansfield, loving
mitchell, paul muller and henrylee moore, no relation kelly was

(01:44:00):
tried twice for the murder.
The first trial ended up in ahung.
Frank F Jones, williamMansfield, loving Mitchell, paul
Mueller and Henry Lee Moore, norelation.
Kelly was tried twice for themurder.
The first trial ended up in ahearing jury while a second
ended in acquittal.
Other suspects in theinvestigation were also
exonerated.
So basically I mean they havelike little tidbits of each
person of why they suspectedthem.
Okay, like, for example, therewas one Every transient,
otherwise unaccounted for,andrew Sawyer, for a stranger

(01:44:24):
was a suspect in the murders.
He was one of those people.
He was interrogated but notcharged.
He was also obsessed with themurders and slept fully clothed
as if he was ready to make aclean getaway, and he also slept
with an ex by his bed.
Reverend george kelly was atraveling minister in town on
the night of the murders.
He was described as peculiar,reportedly having suffered a
mental breakdown as anadolescent.
As an adult, he was accused ofpeeping and several times asking
young women and girls to posenude for him really a reverend.

(01:44:44):
He left town between 5 am and 550 on june, 10th hours before
the bodies were discovered.
He had confessed to the murdersin court but the jury did not
believe his confession.
Then it was him.
In the weeks that followed hedisplayed a fascination with the
case, where many letters to thepolice investigators of the
deceased this aroused suspicion.
Private investigator, his knownmental illness made authorities
question whether he knew thedetails because of having

(01:45:06):
committed the murders or wasimagining his account.
Two years after the murders,kelly was arrested sending
obscene material through themail.
He was sexually harassing awoman who applied for a job as a
secretary.
Well, he was sent to mental andhe was arrested in 1917.
That's like five years later.
People have seen.
A confession from him, however,was followed by many hours of
interrogation and Kelly laterrecanted Frank F Jones.

(01:45:26):
He was a resident and Iowastate senator.
Well, josiah Moore had workedfor him for many years before
leaving to open his own store.
Moore reportedly took businessaway from Jones, including.
Moore reportedly took businessaway from Jones, including very
successful John Deere dealership.
Moore was rumored to have asexual affair with Jones'
daughter-in-law.
No evidence supports this.
I don't know how that makes him.

Laura (01:45:42):
It was a reverend man.

Esme (01:45:44):
Yeah, william Mansfield.
Another theory is that theSenator Jones hired William, an
ex-convict and former US Armystationed at Fort Deer, to
murder the Moore family.
There was two ex-murder casesfollowed in Ellsworth, kansas,
and then went Pola, kansas.
They were similar in not toraise possibility of having
committed by the same person.
There were axe murders inSouthern Pacific Railroad and
also there was the unsolved axewound of New Orleans.

(01:46:06):
Killings.
Murders in Colorado Springswere closely related.
So I mean, maybe this was likea serial killer.
You know, yeah, but you know,back then it was more difficult.
Like there was no dna testing,no, nothing.
So I mean it was harder to findout who did what.
And then somehow mansfield wasalso a prime suspect at burn
detective agency of kansas citydetective james newton wilkerson
, who suggested that he was acocaine addicted serial killer.

(01:46:27):
Yeah, no, like it just seemslike they were just trying to
pin it on him.
There's like a long descriptionof all this stuff.
Then henry lee moore, he wasalso a suspected serial killer.

Laura (01:46:37):
They had too many suspects yeah, when one already
confessed someone moore, he wasalso a suspected serial killer.
They had too many suspects.
Yeah, when one alreadyconfessed samuel moyer.

Esme (01:46:41):
He was reported that he often threatened to kill josiah
moore.
However, alibi cleared him.
So I mean, dang, it could havebeen a lot of people.
Paul mueller he was part of amanhunt and james started killed
selected families who livedaround the railroad tracks.
So those were just people thatthey suspected because they were
also killers so they had somekind of thing.
But either way, this isobviously something that

(01:47:03):
happened.
It was like messed up murdercase because it was like a whole
family that was wiped outthat's so sad so yeah, like I, I
feel like you know, there's alot of places that people could
go visit and they say they'rehaunted locations and then
people could like maybeexperience something like a 50
50 maybe, if you're like proneto it, or something like that.

Laura (01:47:18):
But yeah, if you saw things like that.
It's a it's a rare thing likewhen you like, look for it and
you're intentionally visitingsomewhere, like something can
happen to you.
I think that's a rare thing forit to be like an immediate
experience or sighting orsomething that you, you know get
to take back home and say, yes,I proved that the place is
haunted, you know, or like thishappened to me.

(01:47:39):
So for sure, you know, this isa place that has this energy.
I think that's a lot of luck.

Esme (01:47:44):
It's like well, I don't know, it's rare, but maybe it
just shows it's like aamityville horror type house,
like it's so haunted that you'regonna see something like you're
gonna for sure see somethingbecause you know what like and I
can't think of what it's called, but I remember um seeing like
some documentary and it was.
It was like something like that.
It was a house that a murderhad been committed.
They said it was a hauntedplace so they would open it for

(01:48:06):
tours for people, but they hadto close it down because it was
so excessive that they were likeno, we have to close it because
we cannot guarantee the safetyof the people that come and tour
it.
So I mean, there are placesthat are haunted enough.

Laura (01:48:18):
They should have kept it open and just said that, like
you have to sign a waiver, theycan make bank like I think most
places have waiver signing theyshould have done that, like not
not saying that you should Imean for the people that are
looking for it into that.

Esme (01:48:29):
But yeah, if you want to.

Laura (01:48:30):
I mean at your own risk, yeah, but I mean who?

Esme (01:48:32):
knows, you know, like hauntings are never what you
people imagine, like they're notgoing to hear necessarily
voices or see apparitions.
Sometimes it could be somethinglike that could be dangerous,
you know, like maybe items arebeing flung across the room that
could crack you in the head.
I mean, for all, for all weknow it could be something like
drastic like that, you know.
I mean so I don't know becauseI can't recall, but I know
there's some places like well,like that one place that I was

(01:48:52):
watching in a documentary, andnot only because of the people,
but because the people, theworkers there, like they, when
they had to clean or after hoursto lock up or whatever, they
would experience too many thingsthat people didn't even want to
like work there after a while,like even people that were like
into paranormal stuff, they werelike scared, like they're like
you know what, no like to behere every day.
I can't do that, you know yeah,I wouldn't do it, so I

(01:49:14):
understand I for sure would notdo that, but I wouldn't, I don't
think I even would want to goto a haunted place, like
purposely like that, like to goexperience something.

Laura (01:49:21):
Me neither Like we like.
We like scary stuff, but not wedon't want it to happen to us,
right?

Esme (01:49:27):
I like watching.
I mean Like, like I think we'vesaid this before we like horror
movies.
Are we out there?

Laura (01:49:32):
looking for it.

Esme (01:49:37):
No, I'm like, I will be like, yeah, I'm looking for you
to tell me your story.

Laura (01:49:43):
But I do not want another experience.
That's why I started off withlike Richard Jay is interesting
for that.
Because, he's very brave forthat too.
That's why I started off thatway, because I had the same
thought process, but like in amillisecond, I thought that I'm
like he went over therevoluntarily.

Esme (01:50:00):
Yeah, I know that I'm like he went over there voluntarily.
Yeah, I know, I'm pretty sure,and anybody that would go out
there would probably havedifferent emotions or feelings
if they're actually seeing, like, for example, him, that he was
seeing a closet door open andclose and like creak open slowly
, you know.
I mean, it wasn't like a personcame out and touched them or
like he saw a little boy runningor anything like that.
It was something that's kind ofsubtle, but not really subtle
like it's something that youcould see.
Yeah, and yeah, he's in hismind because he knows the story.

(01:50:22):
He went in there saying like,yeah, it's probably that little
boy and he's like playing gameswith me, but then the caretaker
comes and says and they knowwhat I think they're there all
the time.
So I mean maybe like the energyof the house.
I mean because anytime, like wealready know, like anytime that
something terrible happens in aplace of, of course, it's going
to pull in or attract negativeenergy.
So it could easily be some likeevil spirit or demonic force

(01:50:43):
that just is taking, you know,taking advantage of the fact
that people are there, and it'slike, oh OK, now I can mess with
people while they're cominghere.

Laura (01:50:50):
Well, I'll make sure to never visit that place in Iowa,
if I even end up in Iowa one day.
But yeah, those are interesting.
Those are interesting because,because we're not gonna go, so
we need to hear people'saccounts, because, since we're
not going, we need people thatare brave enough to tell us
their accounts of what theyexperienced.
Yeah, just know, this wholerecording is full of noises, I

(01:51:11):
know no.

Esme (01:51:12):
So overall, I think that is a creepy story and yeah, like
lala says, I am not gonna berunning to go to experience any,
but I love that there's bravepeople out there that are
willing to do it and they couldtell us their story yes, well,
that's all folks okay andremember.
If you have any stories or youhave gone anywhere scary and
spooky, even if it's on purpose,feel free to tell us your story

(01:51:33):
.
Remember chicasucuy at gmailcom.
And for all you listeners, wealso want to say thank you,
thank you, thank you for beingso patient with us, thank you
for your continued support.
Keep on listening, keep staying.
I'm sorry, it's okay.
It's okay, I can delete you.

Laura (01:51:49):
No, it's okay.

Esme (01:51:52):
I can erase you from existence.
I'm just kidding.

Laura (01:51:53):
Thank you for your continued support.
I second that we you for yourcontinued support.
I second that we don't plan onstopping anytime soon.
Our podcast is something thatwe look forward to doing because
of the fact that it gives us areason to keep watching scary
movies, which we would doregardless, um.
So yeah, thank you, and staytuned for the next episode.
Till next time, bye, thank you.

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