Krampus review/ Bruce's childhood encounter with cartoon-like entities

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Speaker 2 (01:18):
All right, everybody, happy holidays, merry christmas
and a scary new year.
Yeah, be P.
That is the holidays.
The movie that we're going toreview this time is going to be
Krampus.
Now, let me start off by sayingthat there is a bunch of
Krampus movies, and I didn'trealize this until after, and

(01:38):
I'm so glad that this is thefirst one that I watched back in
the day.
This one came out 2015 andunfortunately, that's not enough
information to let you knowwhich movie it is, because there
was a bunch of Krampus moviesthat came out 2015 and some
other ones.
They're super whack.
Don't even bother watching them, or you know what.
There might be a good one hereand there that maybe that I

(02:00):
haven't seen, but the one we'retalking about is one of our
holiday faves.
This one was directed byMichael Dougherty, so that's an
important thing if you're gonnawatch this or if you have
watched it.
This is the Krampus movie thatwe are talking about.
I had the opportunity to seethis in theaters when it first
came out and up until like alike a quarter of the movie, I
was unsure where the scaryelement would come out, because

(02:23):
I saw that it was promoted as ascary movie but there's comedy
too and like some light-heartedtopics that come up and then you
kind of forget that it's ascary movie up until it gets
scary and takes like a verydrastic turn yeah, it's very
drastic, so like, if you look itup, it's gonna have, in a
nutshell, funny, creepy andterrifying, which I think is the

(02:43):
best way to describe this movie, because, yes, it still gives
you the festive feeling whenyou're watching it, and I think
part of it is because it startsoff by showing us something that
no longer exists, and that'ssomething that we've talked
about, because, as we watch iton a yearly basis, this is
almost 10 years ago when itfirst came out.
But one of the things that ishighlighted is that back in the
day before there was so muchonline purchasing and everybody

(03:08):
buying everything online andgetting it delivered, back in
the day, it used to just be likeBlack Friday.
Black Friday is when theyreally actually had deals and
I'm not talking about the BlackFriday deals that they have
nowadays.
They used to literally be like75% off, like electronic stores,
toy stores, so the things thatcost like a thousand dollars.
You could get it for like $200.

(03:29):
Okay.
So it was to the point thatpeople would camp out in front
of stores, depending on whichone you wanted to go to, like
two days in advance, and thenews would go you would like be
watching the news and see peoplethere like two days before, in
a line camping and it was, wascrazy.
That's not even necessary.
That doesn't even exist anymore.
That's something that hasstayed in the past.
But it's funny because, uh, themovie starts off showing us

(03:51):
this not the people camped out,but like they're showing us when
they open the doors on a blackfriday and people are like
running into the stores,trampling each other, fighting
over things you know, jackingeach other, you know, for, like
the last toy or last electronic,it would be chaotic.
Thank god I never experiencedthat.
I would see that in the newsand I think at that point when
this came out, I don't eventhink that was still a thing

(04:13):
anymore in 2015.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
It was, it was yeah because I was in high school at
that time and me and my friendswould call each other and be
like, oh, like, let's, let's tryto go like really early to the
store, like almost midnight bethere.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So that was a still an ongoing thing why do I feel
like that was over like a longtime ago, even when I was like a
young person, I don't know.
But anyways, maybe I justwasn't shopping at that time or
that crazy, but um, I would seeit in the news, I guess.
But yeah, so that nowadays,2024, and for a long time that
hasn't occurred, occurredanymore, you know, but it starts

(04:45):
off that way and they also showus like in the mall and this
same family that we come to seeit shows like people fighting in
the malls.
And I think the kid which isthe main, one of the main
characters in this movie hisname is Max, the actor is MJ
Anthony and I think he came outin a movie that I saw on Prime

(05:06):
called Hysteria, and I haven'twatched it yet, but supposedly
it's like also a funny horrormovie and it's about some kids
that they make like a rock bandand pretend to be satanic
worshippers or something just toget attention.
So anyways, it's the same kid,and this kid obviously is
younger in this movie, but hedoes a great job.
And also Adam Scott, he's onefunny, funny actor.
He comes out in a lot of coolmovies.

(05:27):
I like him as an actor.
Tony collette, which is the mom.
I really like her too and I'veliked her ever since she came
out as the mom in the sixthsense and hereditary and
hereditary.
Yes, she came up, she alwayscomes out, the mom.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
She does a good mom role and they're usually all
horror somehow, but anyways, Idon't know her features are like
not out of this earth, likedunning, but I think she's so
pretty, but I don't know she'sshe's so attractive.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
You know how there's people that are you look at them
, they're like, oh my gosh,she's so beautiful.
But there's also those peopleyou just say that they're
attractive.
She's that.
She's one of the people that islike attractive, she's like an
attractive person, but um,anyways.
So just to give everyone anoverview about Krampus and who
Krampus is the opposite of SantaClaus.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, he's his.
What's that thing called on theopposite His former opposite
there's another word he lives inthe South Pole.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
He's from the South Side.
Well, krampus is a half-goat,half-demon monster and in
Central European folklore hepunishes children who misbehave
at christmas.
So in this movie when they talkabout him which is the grandma,
because she seems to knoweverything, and you will see
that too um, she says that he'sa more ancient spirit than santa

(06:34):
claus, which is funny becausethat that probably has a lot to
do with the folklore which wedon't know like a whole lot
about.
But his role basically is thecompanion, or used to be a
companion, of St Nicholas, whorewards good children.
And Krampus would be the onepunishing naughty children by
beating them with branches andsticks and sometimes eating them
or taking them to hell.
And he originates in Germanyand his name comes from the

(06:57):
German word Krampen, which meansclaw.
Doesn't that remind you ofSandy Claws?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, Nightmare Before Christmas.
This is like a real NightmareBefore Christmas.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
For real and Krampus basically lashes his chains and
bells, captures bad children ina basket and hauls them down to
the underworld.
Now that we talked about whoKrampus is in the folklore world
, let's get down to the movie.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, in this movie they basically like narrow it
down to Krampus being summonedonce everyone in the household
has lost the spirit of Christmas, and that entails like hope,
optimism, love.
And it looked like in thisfamily there was one kid left
that was still very hopeful andhappy about the holiday Because
everyone else around him wasn't.
They were just so like rude toeach other and they just look

(07:41):
like stressed, yeah, like allthe negative feelings that come
with family.
But, um, yeah, he got so madthat he ended up kind of like
taking back or revoking hischristmas letter to santa claus.
But upon throwing it out, Iguess the krampus, or like the
universe kind of like, took thelittle pieces of the letter and
it just somehow summoned krampus, like literally in that moment

(08:03):
it flew up into the air and thewhole weather changed, like an
immediate storm startedhappening.
So it was like somehow, likethe universe knew, or like the
world knew, that that little boyhad lost hope.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So at some point the grandma she's talking about her
situation and she said that itwas in her village that Krampus
was first seen and she saw it.
So it kind of tells you it'snot the whole world, it's like
their, their area.
So maybe in his neighborhood?

Speaker 1 (08:28):
yeah, because the whole world lived there.
Remember the little cartoon.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
She was in Germany or I'm saying that when she tells
it, she talks about that thathappened or occurred in her
village.
It's not the whole world.
So like it brings us to think,like was he just the last kid
that lost hope in their city orin their neighborhood, you know?

Speaker 1 (08:47):
like oh yeah, because they had like a plague or
something or like a foodshortage, so everybody was in a
bad mood when she was little,when she was so she was the last
person who lost.
I know what you're saying now.
Yeah, so in in his.
Well, yeah, I remember theneighbors were traveling to like
hawaii, like some neighborsweren't there.
Yeah, some neighbors weren'tthere.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, some neighbors weren't there.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So they were asked out for that.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah.
So like, basically, they startshowing us the family and they
are not really happy.
You see the mom like just doingeverything she could to like
fix the house, to make good food, to do all this stuff.
And you hear that the kids arelike not looking forward to
their family coming over, arenot looking forward to their
family coming over.
And then the dad's like, oh,don't worry, they'll just be

(09:28):
here a couple of days and thisand that.
So they're not, they're alreadyanticipating having a bad time.
Even though the little kid, whenhe still had his Christmas
spirit, he was still trying todo things with his family.
He was still like, oh, could wewatch the Charlie Brown
Christmas, could we wrappresents together?
But they were mad at himbecause of whatever altercation
had happened earlier in someplay that he was in, right, so
you could tell that he was stillinto it.
He still had his, that's when,he still had his letter to santa

(09:50):
and all that.
And then the grandma wasencouraging it.
She was over there making likea million cookies and I always
wonder in that scene, like whomakes all those cookies?
Do people really eat them?
It makes me think of likemexican people with tamales when
they make like like how manydozen tamales is like okay, but
who's gonna eat all these?
Are we really gonna eat allthese until we get sick of them,
or what.
So that's what I thought aboutwhen I think about when I see

(10:14):
that lady because they show allthe cookies that she's just
baking and baking and bakingit's like this old lady, right.
So she's like oh no, did youwrite your santa?
Oh, do this.
Like she's still kind ofencouraging his Christmas spirit
.
Then, once his family arrivesand they're like jerks, and I
think it's like the mom's sideof the family, like it's like
her sister, right, her sister'sfamily, and like the dad, he's
like this, like really like amacho guy that you know puts

(10:37):
everybody else down, and thenlike the cousins, it's like two
girls and a boy, but like eventhe girls, they are very
tomboyish and, for whateverreason, they like to pick on Max
and everything that could gowrong, like you know.
Basically, like there are a lotof families that are like that
Thank goodness I don't reallyhave any that I could think of
that are immediate family, likethere are some people that

(10:59):
actually you know they gettogether with family because
they feel like they have to.
Okay, they're family, we haveto see them.
And this is the way this familyis kind of like looking at it,
like, oh, we have to see eachother, not that they enjoy each
other's company, and that's oneof the things that max brings up
to his dad like why do we haveto?
Like, why do they have to come?
Like why, you know, justbecause we're related to them
and this and that.
And dad's like I don't knowbecause we're family, and

(11:21):
they're even saying how threedays is gonna be like eternal
because they're gonna be therefor three days.
So then, not only that, theyshow up yes, and she's like an
uninvited person.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah like they.
I thought she was actually thefunniest person.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I would have loved to have her over, I know she was
funny but like the mom max's momshe's like she tells the sister
, why did you bring her?
And she's like well, we juststopped by to say hi to her and
she came out with her bags.
We can't leave her by herselfon Christmas, so we just let her
come with us.
So basically she invitedherself.
It happens like that.
Those are real life things thathappen to certain families and

(11:53):
I'm sure like not everybody'shappy to see each other and that
kind of sucks, you know,because there are family that
you're like oh my god, I can't,I can't wait for my cousins to
come over.
But yeah, there are some peoplethat you're like, oh hell, no,
like I don't want to see thatperson.
They're like a little turd orwhatever you know.
So they do a good job at likehighlighting that because I
think a lot of families couldrelate.
I cannot relate personally, butthere are a lot of families
that could probably relate.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Just shows a dysfunction the thing is that
what's gonna happen has alreadyhappened.
To the grandma how you'realready alluding, and I just
think it's a big coincidencethat krampus visited like the
same lineage, like the samefamily, twice.
That's obviously like thefakest part of the movie, but
I'm like, what are the odds?
They must have some really badluck, because the grandma
experienced it, so the not thegeneration after her, but the

(12:37):
next, like her grandsonliterally summoned his ass again
.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I know, that's crazy so they're in the middle of
dinner and you can tell that themom's already getting pissed
off at the aunt and the otherpeople, whatever.
That's when everything, like,went to crap.
Because that's when max gottriggered to rip up his letter
and throw it up in the wind,right, because his cousin start,
like, took it from him, startedreading it and making fun of
him in the dinner table and forsome reason the parents could

(13:03):
hear them, but they were justallowing it to happen.
And even though he was sayingnice things, and even nice
things about his uncles that hedidn't like or whatever, but
they're making fun of him and hegot mad and he ripped it and he
was going to rewrite it or tapeit up.
And then last minute, when hewas about to put in a new
envelope, he just got angry andthat's when he threw it.

(13:26):
So then the first thing thathappens that we notice is that
while they're there, thedaughter, which is max's sister,
wants to go to her boyfriend'shouse.
So they go back and forth, butthen they allow her to go, but
they start noticing that it'sfreezing cold outside.
It's like a blizzard suddenlyarrived in their neighborhood
and she's like, oh no, but he'sonly a block away, or like two
blocks away, however far.
So they were like okay, fine,but come right back she never
comes back.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And then everyone starts trying to retrieve her
because time's passing, yeah.
But like every time they try,they find out more and more.
Things are happening like theyrealize that someone is breaking
into houses, or that the snowmachines, or like the cars are
not working anymore.
No, lights are outside yeah,like they.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Just it was like a power outage and that it is a
blizzard, like it's freaking,like snowy and foggy, like you
can't see shit so then they panover to where she's outside,
trying to walk in the middle ofthis blizzard, and she notices
something scary, like jumpingfrom ceiling to like from roof
to roof.
Of course we know it's Krampus,she doesn't know this, but

(14:25):
that's the first time that wesee something scary happen
because she tries to hide andobviously they get her.
She's like the first victim,like they have we start seeing.
That's the first time that wesee that they're gonna start
being attacked by like toys andelves and like weird things,
because there's like a music boxand it's like those old school
ones that you know, ajack-in-the-box, a

(14:46):
jack-in-the-box, so like theydon't show it to us at that time
, but they put a jack-in-the-boxand she hears it and then she
screams and we don't know whathappened yet it just becomes
like a, a scary sleepover, likeeveryone just starts boarding up
the, the windows, the doors,because more and more things
start going down and it all hasto do with them trying to go
retrieve that one girl.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
That's what I meant to say when I say they discover
stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
They attack themselves being out there so
then, since they can't reach heron the phone and they can't do
anything, the dads the uncle andthe dad decide to go out to
find her, at first, the unclestill being like a little dick
to like her dad, um, you know,like, oh, you were an eagle
scout, oh you were this.
What did you guys used to?
Like help old ladies cross thestreet and blah, blah, blah.
Right, because he's like youdon't know anything about

(15:30):
survival, just because he goesand has guns and has his hammer
and has like all these thingsthat are like no, we could go
through anything, we could gostorm the shore at normandy,
like you know, like trying to beall macho, right, but he does
need his help, like to go outthere and do that.
So, like they end up going,just them two, and that's when
she hits the fan for both ofthem they start being attacked.
They find some man like frozen,dead and scared, has like a

(15:53):
scared face, and then they findthe snowplower and hooves.
Yeah, when they finally make itto hoof hoof prints.
Yeah, and they discovered thatat because they end up finally
making it to her boyfriend'shouse.
But it looks like like like aburglary or like a murder, but
worse because like there's likesnow inside so you could tell

(16:14):
like the door was like forcedopen.
Like you know, they find the umchimney crack yeah, the
chimney's all cracked, like ifsomething exploded.
And the uncle he actually saysoh, it looks like a gaslight in
blue, but it looks like that,but it's not.
And then there's snoweverywhere, everything's frozen.
And then that's when they startthinking like what the hell is
this?
And they find those prints.
So while they're traveling back, that's when they start being

(16:37):
like trying to get sucked downinto the ground.
They still don't know what'shappening.
Max has gotten scared becausehe kept looking out the window
and he kept seeing these weirdlike snowmen but they look scary
that were like suddenlyappearing all over their yard
and everywhere else.
So that was already kind oflike something.
And come to find out that thosewere like, I guess, the helpers

(16:58):
of krampus that were likeappearing and they were running
around trying to like they'rethe ones that were already
attacking everyone.
So they started attacking thedad and the uncle.
When they were out in thathouse they were trying to get
back.
They were trying to get awayone of them was being sucked
into the ground into the snow,almost dying, which is the uncle
.
And then max's dad was tryingto somehow did not leave him

(17:19):
behind.
He actually was able to get himout.
Yeah, he shot him and then,like he got bit like in the leg,
the leg.
His leg was bleeding.
They went back to the Hummer,which I think was called Lucinda
, and they were like Lucinda, no, like he was, like, you know,
having a heart attack becausehis Hummer was completely
destroyed and on fire.
You know, aren't they supposedto be like super indestructible?

(17:42):
Oh, I don't know about that.
Yeah, I think so.
So like, yeah, like it wasdestroyed.
So somehow they made it back.
And then, right when the momthen they show the mom, they're
like you're taking too long, Ithink I'm gonna go look for him,
something's not right.
And they were like no, no, no,stay here, just stay here.
So, right when she was gonnaget go outside, and she opened
the door, she was going outside,they come rushing in and
they're like seal everything.

(18:03):
Well, you know, the uncle, hewas having like a little shit
attack and he was tellingeverybody seal all the doors,
seal all the windows and thisand this and that.
But then the dad was kind oftelling him like, hey, play it
off, because we don't want toscare everyone.
So, thank goodness, because themom was about to go outside and
get killed herself, probably.
So that's when they told him no,and she's like you didn't find
her.
No, she's not there, you knowshe's, hopefully she's smart.

(18:23):
No, and she's like you didn'tfind her.
No, she's not there, you know,she's, hopefully she's smart,
you know, maybe she's somewheresafe.
But that only started makingeverybody panic even more.
Like the dad was trying to tellthe mom everything's destroyed,
we're going to have to find heranother way, we have to stay in
here.
So then while they were talking, the kids went to another room
with the aunt.
That's the ant.
That's when they're trying totell him like this is what's
going on, we're being attacked,the hummer got destroyed, this

(18:45):
and this and that, right.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
So then at some point there's a toy shipment that
arrives and it's from the elves,krampus, minions, the helpers
that he has.
And then one of the auntiesthinks that there's a like.
She thinks that one of themleft presents outside while
they're over there in the dark,so she takes them in like the
toy, she takes them upstairsinto the attic so yeah, they
hide them upstairs or something.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
So then by that time it starts being night in the
attic.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, in the attic, because they want to wrap them
up there yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
So by this time it starts being nightfall and then
they're like okay, you know what, for safety, we're all gonna
sleep in the living room, soI'll start falling asleep.
That's when the grandmadiscloses their her story and
she's like I know what'shappening.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And then she starts telling the story about when she
was little which is helpfulbecause they know what to expect
, but then it's unrealisticbecause I would have said
they've never experienced that.
It sounds like really way outthat happened to both like you
and your grandson in yourlifetime.
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's like getting struck by lightning twice yeah,
but the thing is that she knewwhat was happening and they
didn't believe her at first, orthey were just kind of scared
and the uncle was like hell, no,this is like some crazy story
you're telling us and scaring usand whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Right, I know my favorite part is when he says
she's going to be talking abouta rabid Easter bunny come spring
.
I don't know why I think that'sso funny.
Yeah, so she's like clowning onher so bad yeah, I know she's a
poor old lady.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
She's just trying to like help them.
So she's like you know what?
We just need to keep the fireon and keep it hot and like stay
together.
So they were like, okay, we'regonna take turns sleeping the
two dads right.
So, um, the uncle was like I'llstay up.
He keeps saying like, oh, ashepherd has to take care of his
flock, but he's the first oneto freaking go to sleep.
Yeah, when everybody wassleeping.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
And his son is the first to get ate.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yes.
So at that time, because hefell asleep, no one was keeping
the fire on.
Once the fire turned intoembers and they were like
already like the fire was gone,they start trying to I guess
compass helpers were trying toget in through the chimney,
that's the way they'd be doingit.
So they started going down andthe first thing that pops down

(20:52):
was one of these little, thislittle cookie, which is like a
gingerbread man cookie and helooks all nice and fat.
And of course his son, theyoungest son.
He's a little fat ass, right,so he sees it.
He's the one that wakes upbecause he hears a noise and he,
instead of waking everybodyelse up to say like hey,
something's coming down thechimney, his little fat ass goes
and sees the cookie and triesto eat it.
So when he tries to eat it,they grab him and they're

(21:15):
pulling him up through thechimney.
So then by that time everybodywakes up and then the mom which
is not his mom, but like max'smom she goes and tries to like
grab his feet, but they'repulling her up in there too.
So all of a sudden everybodytries to like bring them down.
They're trying and trying, andtrying and of course they do not
succeed, they all fall down andthey take that little boy.
So by then they're reallyscared.

(21:37):
They're like what the hell he'slike?
They're like they don't knowwhat to do and they're like, oh
my god, this is like.
This is like really happening.
At some point the two girls goupstairs.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Because you're hearing that other girl's voice,
the one that went missing.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
All right.
So the girls go upstairsbecause they had to go to the
bathroom and, like you mentioned, they hear a voice.
They are mimicking a voice oftheir cousin.
That is a girl that they can'tfind.
What's her name Beth.
Oh, what's your name, beth?
Oh, beth.
All right, so they can't find.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
They think they hear beth but it didn't even sound
like her.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's just like some weird voice, like a robotic
voice yeah, they're like come uphere, I want to show you
something.
And so the last, the two girlsmentos, they go upstairs into
the attic I don't think nomexicans would have done that I
hear a voice, or they would havebeen like she's up here or
something, but anyways, theydon't show us right away what
happens, but eventually, wheneverybody realizes that they're

(22:29):
missing and they all go upstairs, things are getting attacked in
the worst way.
And this is when it gets likescary, but it's still funny.
It's like funny but you're likeew, like oh my god, because
it's like these really ugly andlike these really ugly, ugly
toys.
They're like kind of likethey're supposed to be toys that
jack in, like thatjack-in-the-box that we

(22:49):
mentioned earlier.
We actually see its face and thefirst thing that they see the
parents when they're going upthere is that he's like eating
one of the girls, jordan.
He's eating her the same waylike a snake.
You know how?
Have you guys ever seen snakes?
When they eat a rat, like afterthey already killed them, that
they're like stretching theirmouth open and like, little by
little, like their stomachmuscles are like contracting to

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pull them in, little by little.
This is literally what he wasdoing.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
It was a jack-in-the-box, but it was
weird because like it had likesaliva and like wet organs
inside, but it was likeporcelain, like that.
That always, um made animpression on me the, the
texture and like what they weremade of, because they look like
toys, like they look like hardsurface porcelain, plastic toys
but inside they have like like,yeah, like organs like I know,

(23:39):
like a big giant, like no.
But remember, like they're inlike a tongue, yeah, like saliva
teeth those teeth were reallylike.
It makes you feel like whathappens if, like they're in like
a tongue, yeah, like salivateeth, those teeth were really
like it makes you feel like whathappens if you cut it open?
Like is there gonna be like,like skin, like you know?

Speaker 2 (23:52):
like oh yeah, because at moments it almost seems like
it would be like some monsterwearing it as a costume but no,
I guess that's part of thekrampus magic that there's like
hybrid beings.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
And then there's like the bird one, it's like a doll.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
It's an angel.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
It's an angel.
Yeah, it's an angel, I guess itlooks scary.
To me it looks like a bird.
I was like it's like apsychotic bird.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
It looks like the Bride of Chucky huh.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, it of chucky yeah it looks like the bride of
chucky, but with like a likeangel wings that are all like
withered and yeah, like a fallenangel, yeah, yeah, okay, that's
a perfect example, and it has atongue yeah, when it's
attacking the mom it has like alizard tongue, like long yeah,
it like flaps, it like it'strying to oh my god, remember

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when it looks like it's going inher ear.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
It looks terrible okay her mouth or her nose.
Then there's like another liketransformer.
No, no, no, yeah, it is.
But it looks like a little likesome kind of robot and they're
stabbing the dad, that one whocares, but the fact that it has
the little yeah, like you saidthis the the knife, that's
what's scary about it.
Yeah, but like itself, it'sjust like it's not scary, it's
just like it's killing you.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
And then there's like that teddy bear that looks
scary.
That one does look scary.
It's like a teddy bear.
Remember that that one of themlike stabs it in the eye and
it's like it's oh yeah.
So basically it's a bunch oftoys that are like demonic and
scary and they're attack andthey're the ones that start like
, they're the ones thatinfiltrate.
I guess they used to infiltratethe house first before, like

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those ugly devil elves come in.
Those are really scary.
Like, eventually, when they alllike go downstairs because
they're able to save one of thegirls but not the other one, the
family runs downstairs andeverybody finds out what's
happening.
Um, because at first, when theywere over there fighting with
the toys upstairs, the uncle andlike was over here fighting
with like a bunch of likegingerbread men, which that part
was actually like funny, likecute, funny, even though they

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were like trying to attack himwith like um, like a nail gun
and all kinds of stuff, right,but the dog saves him because he
eats.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
He eats them the elves start invading their house
.
The elves they look likeanimals like, they look like
people, but their faces are whatlook like?
Very fairy tale?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
yeah, because they look like they were wearing
masks right, but very fairy talemask, but they look scary yeah
they.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
They look like snow white dwarfs.
They look like people, butthey're kind of like huh, like,
kind of like not chunky, butthey're like like like chains.
They look kind of strong, likethey can push you and you'll fly
, yeah um, they're like tinyyeah, like they look like pretty
husky dwarves and then theiroutfits are also very elf, like
they have like little like hats,like pointy hats no, and like

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cloaks.
Yeah, they have cloaks, theyhave cloaks but they have gorros
too, with like little bells onthe end.
I do remember like the like asurplus hat.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Oh yeah, there is one .
Yeah, I was thinking about theother ones, but I do remember
there's one that looks like thattoo.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, they have different outfits, but, um,
they're scary, like point blankthey're scary and then they go
and take everyone and and the.
When I first saw the movie andlike I get used to it already,
but I remember I was like no,they're not gonna kill the baby
or take it, but they do.
They took the baby we nevermentioned it, but there's like a
little, uh like a month yearold baby or one year old like
it's a little.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
It looks like a like a fresh baby and they take it
baby, they take it.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
they take the grandma , which I was also wondering,
like where was krampus gonnaspare her again, because he met,
he came, came across her oncealready, like he met her, but he
took her.
And she actually like tried tosacrifice herself.
She said, like you guys have ahead start because after the
elves were invading their house,they all left.
Krampus came through thechimney into the house.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
So they all left, but the grandma stayed by herself
and faced Krampus.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
But he like shoved her into a bag of toys, which
means she died, yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
They cramp us.
And then, but he like shovedher into a bag of toys, which
means she died, yeah, and thetoys were already ready to
attack her, remember?
Yeah, so that was scary.
So then, once everybody gottook, taken, taken, they all
went outside and like, little bylittle, they started dropping
like flies.
Like the parents went first,then it was just the cousins,
Three of them.
Then they took one of Well, no,no, no, just two of the cousins

(27:57):
.
At the end, right, max andStevie were the only ones left
and they were like scared andthey were trying to like turn on
the snow blower or whatever,but then they ended up taking
the girl too.
So Max was the only one left atthe very, very end.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
And, based on the grandma's experience, they
usually spare the person wholost the Christmas spirit to be
a reminder to the world that ithappened.
He comes.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So he was supposed to stay alive, but because he did
a whole show, he he got taken toyeah, he went and this part was
really cool because he goes tolike where they're celebrating
and it looks like they're, youknow, dancing around a fire.
They look really, um, celticand pagan and like back in the
day, like they look scary andthey he's even the the rain aka
reindeer that he has.
They like they looked scary andthey even the reindeer that he

(28:38):
has.
They were like elephants no,they were.
Like they had those big likecircular horns.
They looked like I don't knowwhat the hell kind of animal,
like elephants with horns.
They looked like elephants no,they didn't.
They looked like rams, likegiant rams.
They were cool.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
They were really cool .

Speaker 2 (28:56):
When they were, everybody would celebrate.
They would like start likeheadbutting each other like to
celebrate.
I guess I don't know it wascrazy, but um, it was all very
dark and like all their outfitsand how they looked was very
dark.
And I love the way krampuslooks, even though, like he, you
can't really see his face mostof the time, but when you can
see him he looks really creepylike.
I love the way they made himlike.

(29:16):
He's just like.
So, um, yes, he reminds you,yeah, and he reminds you of
santa claus, but you could tellthat he's like the anti-santa
claus and they opened a pit ofhell like a fire and that's what
happens when he yeah, when he'strying to tell him like, leave
my family, I want him back, Itake everything back, and blah,
blah, blah when max is yellingat him yeah, at the end, like he
takes his tear and it look,almost looks like what is he

(29:37):
gonna forgive him?
but then he starts laughing andthen they all start laughing and
then, like he drops the krampuslittle bell because I guess so
whenever like to like he leavesthat person alive.
He gives them a little ornament, an ornament that says krampus
on it and looks all like youknow, weathered and old and like
copper colored or bronze, Idon't know what it is.
And so the grandma had one andthen, um, he, he had got one.

(30:01):
So when he throws it, or he itfalls, or something, it makes
the hole.
It makes the hole and it turnsinto that big pit of hell that
you said, right, that bigopening, so he still could see
them.
And he sees when they throw thecousin, that one last cousin
that they had hauled away, theystill throw her down there and
he's like no, so then they grabhis ass and then they throw him

(30:21):
down too and as he's falling andfalling and falling into hell,
it looks like it's a dream,right.
He suddenly like is screamingand he wakes up from his bed,
right, yeah, it looked like thismight have all been a dream so
all the viewer as a viewer,you're like, oh my god, he was
dreaming, or maybe I hate that Iwould have hated that, because
that's not what happened.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
No, I don't like when movies like do that whole pedo
just for that.
When it's just a dream, yeah,okay.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
So at that point my time you do think that it's just
.
But then me as a viewer, I wasthinking like wait, he thinks
it's a dream or is it gonnahappen?
You know some movies they'll dothat like, oh, it's a
premonition, like he saw whatwas gonna happen and does he
have time to change it.
So I mean it kind of leaves youlike, okay, there's a lot of
factors that or differentdirection it could take, but
this is already in the movie.

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So you're kind of like, okay,was it a dream?
So then he goes downstairs healready hears, like you know,
like his family, his family,chitter, chatters and stuff, and
they're like, oh, my god, andit looks like he's the last one
to wake up.
Like they're like, damn, likeyou're, you should be awake.
I mean, you were asleep thiswhole time.
We want to open presents abouttime.
Blah, blah, blah.
They're all kind of giving himshit, but somehow they all seem
really happy and they're alllike nice to each other, like

(31:28):
they're not being jerks to eachother, like they were like the
night before or two nightsbefore.
They're actually being likenice.
So he's like, oh, okay, andthey're all smiling and whatever
.
So they're like, okay, who'sfirst?
So they're gonna start openingpresents.
So they're right there sittingdown, whatever, and then next
thing, you know, they throw himhis present.
Or he sees a present that hehas it in front of him and he's
sitting between his parents andeven before he opens it he tells

(31:48):
parents oh my god, I love you,I'm glad we're together.
And they're like, oh, you know,even though he said he had a
nightmare.
They're like oh, don't worry,like we're all happy now, blah,
blah, blah.
But then when he opens hislittle present because he sees a
little box and he opens it,it's the same damn little
krumpus ornament which confirmsthat everything was real a dream
and right away you could tellthat it wasn't just him, because

(32:11):
the parents, even everybodystops talking like when they
look and you know they all likeeven look at each other like
what the hell.
And they, you know they alllike even look at each other
like what the hell.
And they like look down andthey started like just looking
at each other, like they're likeall silent.
So it's almost like maybe theyall thought that they had that
dream or maybe they all rememberthat this is like something
that really happened.
And after that, like they'renot happy, no more, they just
kind of like stay quiet and thenyou kind of hits them right, it

(32:33):
hits them, yes, all at the sametime.
So then the view kind of pansout and it shows them like I
guess max looks at the window orI don't know who looks at the
window, whatever, and it showsthem from from the house and
it's still snowing outside andthey kind of like the camera's
like leaving, leaving, leavingyou, and you realize that his
little house is in a snow globe.
And the snow globe is asignificant thing because in the

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movie Krampus, the snow globesare portals to the real world
that Krampus uses to strike atfamilies who aren't respecting
the Christmas spirit.
So he has a snow globe forevery family and uses them to
keep tabs on them.
The snow globe can also be andI'm reading this the snow globe
could also be interpreted as aprison.
This suggests that Krampusfulfilled Max's wish in a

(33:17):
twisted way way, trapping himwith his family on a
never-ending christmas morning Ilike that theory better for
that specific movie.
That that's what it representsfor me.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I I didn't see it like that.
I saw it as a more like vain,uh thing.
I thought it was krumpus's wayof keeping himself, kind of like
showing off his accolades Likethese are all my accomplishments
, kind of like when they giveyou a medal for something in
school.
I thought those were all hismedals.
Yeah, I didn't see it as thetheories that you just said.
Well, I mean those are justtheories.

(33:45):
I mean like, like I thought hewas like adding to his
collection.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, no, that's of like that, but like what he's
adding to his collection is thathe's imprisoning that family.
But doesn't it remind you kindof like the like snow globes
have like a another meaning,because remember, where have we
seen snow globes other otherthan that?
line yes, coralline, and thenwho's in there, like the, that's
when they.

(34:08):
And then also I saw the santaclaus that ends with an e, that
tim allen is in also.
The snow globe representssomething like, I guess, like
whenever he gets it he's able totransport.
It is a portal or not a portal,but like he's able to contact
santa claus, which is his dad,like to see him whenever he
wants.
And then more recently, with a,this non-scary version of

(34:30):
another christmas movie, the redone, that the rock comes out in
I haven't seen it.
So that one there is a partwhere they see krampus and that
krampus sucks.
This is not.
This is the best krampus, themovie that we're talking about
right now.
That's the best krampus.
So that one that has a krampusthat he looks kind of more like
silly and yeah, he's, he is whohe's supposed to, be right, but
he also has a snow globe thinglike.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So maybe we're just not well versed with the legend.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's probably like a whole thing about the snow globe
yeah, so it's not good, meanssomething, and I think in that
sense, like he, they're able toescape using a snow globe or
something like it is a like atransport thing, but also
there's like a witch involvedand she's using the snow globe
to trap people well, I have asnow globe in my room, so that's
good to know yeah, so overallthis is a great family christmas

(35:14):
horror, not so hard scary movie.
So is it like something thatyou're gonna show little, little
tiny kids?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
yes, yes I'm glad we both said yes on like yes, yeah,
but I do.
I would be like this wasn'tgonna happen to you.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
If you act bad tomorrow, hey, forget elf on the
shelf like no crampus, is gonnacome get you and kill me and
you and trap us in the snowglobe, yeah, so anyways that,
that, um, that movie's reallygood and I think it's perfect
for when you still want to keepit creepy, but you want to be in
the holiday season.
That would be the perfect movie.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah like way, step down from Terrifier 3 yeah, this
is a family-friendly horrormovie yeah, I saw it with my
friends and I'm telling you itwas really fun.
Since when did you say it cameout?
2015?
2015.
Since 2015,.
I watched it annually since.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, me too.
So, yeah, that's something thatwe definitely it's like a
tradition.
Huh, mm-hmm, that's atraditional movie, for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Anyways, if you guys haven't already seen it, what do
you guys think about what wesaid?
Do you want to add anything?
Send us an email and, downbelow, yeah, tell us what the
scare factor for you is, becausefor me.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I would say it's like a three maybe.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Yeah, I do like that they have jump scares, because
in the theaters, yeah, you'relike I don't know what to expect
, but like now that I've seen ita million times, I know what to
expect.
So obviously I feel like itmight even be zero, but at the
time, because you don't knowwhat's coming out, but you do
see, a lot of art and time was,uh, invested into making the I
love the artistry of those scarytoys.
They did a really good job withthe costume and design of all
of it.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, so yeah, it's awesome movie, so check it out.
So with that, now we're gonnatake you to our true scary story
.
So this one, it doesn't havenothing to do with christmas,
but it definitely has the samekind of feel, because this is
going to be something throughthe eyes of a small child.
This scary true story happenedto our guest when he was a very

(37:04):
small kid, and through his eyes,these entities decided to show
up, make themselves appear tohim as figments of characters or
cartoons that you would see.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah you would see, like in cartoons as a toy
characters or cartoons that youwould see, yeah, you would see,
like in cartoons, as a toy.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
So, having said that, stay tuned.
All right, everyone.
Well, now we're going to gointo our true scary story, and
we have a very special guesttoday.
His name is Bruce Villarrealand, yes, he's my cousin.

(37:42):
I am bringing him into thisbecause he has a really, really
amazing story to tell us.
Would you agree, laura?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
I mean amazing but also really really scary,
definitely scary.
I've heard this story beforefrom you and people that knew
the story, so it was basicallyretold to me, but it's gonna be
a treat to hear from the personwho experienced it firsthand
because to this day, I feel it'smy favorite campfire story.
Like when we start talkingabout scary things, I think it's
really unique.

(38:10):
It's not something that I hadever heard before he'll get into
it but it has to do with thingsthat you would label these
elements as innocent and kidrelated and just to have them
have a twist of somethingsinister and evil.
It's unique for me.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
So it's definitely unique, you know what?
Because one of the main thingsthat I think that's the most
important things that I wantedto highlight about this is that
this occurred to him when he wasa very small child, and I think
that that's what makes it evenmore creepy and scary and like
out of the norm, because evenfor something paranormal or even
for something that's like, youknow, that has to do with being

(38:44):
haunted and things like that,this is even more so out of the
ordinary and because of that,I'm sure that this is something
that has stayed in his mind sofresh and so clear, because of
how um impression, theimpression that it left on him,
you know, and me that's that'sthe thing.
How long did he tell me thestory?
A very long time ago, but Istill remembered a lot of the

(39:06):
details because it was somethingthat just stood out from any
other story I've ever heard inmy life.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So yeah, likewise, so take it away.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Awesome, awesome.
I'm happy that it left animprint in you.
I hope that it leaves animprint with your audience, and
congratulations, cousin Lauraand Cousin Esme.
It's a privilege to be with youboth and you have a very unique
program, so I want tocongratulate you both on it.
Something that's always fun,but also with some real stories
behind it, makes it exciting.
Our words, our stories canleave an imprint and impact in
people.
Yeah, so I was happy to get theinvitation to share this story,

(39:36):
so thank you again, laura.
Thank you, cousin Esme.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Oh, thank you for being here.
Even, like I said, even thoughI know sorry, it's still like a
treat to hear from you, like asif it was the first time I hear
it, so yeah, so let us know.
You can start off by telling ushow old you were.
Where did you grow up?
Where did this occur?

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Well, so hello to all your audience all over the
world.
But I live in El Paso, texas,now, by the way, so if there's
any El Pasoans or Guarancesaround, the area, but I'm
originally from Los Angeles,california.
I was born in Redondo Beach,california, and I grew up in
Lenox, california, and so that'swhere I was born and raised and
then from there we went toHawthorne and then I ended up
here in El Paso, texas.
But back in Back in Lenox, Iwas right behind a park.

(40:13):
I remember I was a little kid.
So many people discredit howyoung a child can be and be
remembered of their memories,just so everybody knows.
You know they say thattypically from three years and
above people can recall, andeven younger.
But I remember this experiencevivid, like many others that I
can recount.
When you brought the invitationto me, esme and Laura, I was
telling other people, hey, guesswhat, I got an interview for

(40:34):
this.
You know, to share my story.
Have you heard the story?
Like, no, I haven't.
So when they hear like threeyears old, you remember, so many
people are amazed that you knowhow far our memory can go back.
I've heard stories of childrenwho will see things that other
people can't see.
So remember people's awarenessand I guess the fourth dimension
, capacity or capability, isthere.
And capacity or capability isthere and then they can say, hey

(40:54):
, we're probably crazy or, youknow, that's their vivid
imagination and that's somethingyou question.
So when I was three years old,I remember my little brother,
brian, and you know he was justrecently born, probably a month
or three months old, I can'trecall exactly, but I think it
was between one and three monthsold.
And it's crazy because you knowsome of our Latino families.
You know we like to sleep inthe room with our parents, and I
was that one child.
I had my own room, but I wasput my little bed on the floor

(41:17):
and sleep to my mother's rightside Right.
There's any people who grew upsleeping on the floor.
You know it's cool.
I had great times with mycousins and family and friends
sleeping on the floor and Ididn't mind.
So I still don't mind if I needto.
But I was next to my mom's bed.
But what's crazy is my littlebrother being born one to three
months old.
You know he had his littlesleeping bag.

(41:37):
He was sleeping with me on thefloor.
He should have been on a cribor some kind of you know cradle,
but he was on the floor withhis brother.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
You know that's how we did in the eighties or
seventies.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, exactly, that was in the seventies, right, so,
but so, yeah, so my littlebrother was sleeping with me on
the floor and I remember thisthis morning it was on a
Saturday morning, it was on aweekend, you know where parents
typically, you know, wake uplate.
We children, sometimes wetypically get up really early.
I remember I used to get up andwatch tv at five o'clock in the
morning, I don't know if youremember isn't it but?
um, I Spanish was my primarylanguage at home, but um, I

(42:09):
learned English watching SesameStreet and all those oh yeah, I
think a lot of us did that, yes.
It was five o'clock in themorning and I was with my little
Sony 10 inch TV and you know Iwas on it.
So I would do that typicallyevery morning.
But on this Saturday I woke upand you know, everything's quiet
.
I'm looking to the left, whichis my mom was to my left, you
know I was looking at the bed,you know.
In other words, I was justlooking around.

(42:41):
But first I looked to my rightand I was looking at my little
brother and he had his littlelittle sleeping bag.
He had a Dumbo sleeping bag.
If any of you old schoolersremember Dumbo from Disney, um,
you know he was in a circus andthe, the print on his sleeping
bag, had the, the circus trainwhere these different animals
are in their cages the Casey Jrtrain exactly.
You remember the name so I canrecall that.
But yes, on the train, so CaseyJr train and I'm looking to
towards his little cover becausehe had all the little prints
there and all the differentanimals, and I see my brother's
asleep and then I'm looking atthe cage where there's a lion

(43:03):
and his head starts to movearound like he's looking at me.
I'm like whoa, whoa, and thenthe little, his little lion cub
is looking up at that because Iguess an amazing, because he's
looking at me and staring at meand what I do?
Because I got kind of scared,I'm like oh, my god, you know,
is this for real?
And I poked him in the face, inthe mouth, and he bit me, the

(43:24):
thing bit me I was like what theheck?

Speaker 2 (43:26):
okay, so just for clarity for our listeners yes
this is a print.
This is a a print that has thecartoon images on the sleeping
bag right yeah and the imagestarts moving.
So that's when you decide to goput your finger and like, poke
it to see, because you sawsomething odd with it, right?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
yeah, because he was like kind of mocking me, he
started moving his head and Iwas like what the heck is this?
Is this for real?
And then I poked it and it bitme.
Oh, my god so, and he wasstaring straight at me, you know
.
So from there I'm like oh myGod.
So I want to tell my mom, andI'm looking, I turn to my left
now and I don't see my mom.
I see a man sleeping next to mymother with a, with an arm

(44:07):
hanging.
It's not your dad, it is not mydad.
My dad's sleeping on the otherside.
But I see, like this cartoontype character, at the height of
a, you know, a human being,those skinny legs like the
cartoons.
He had a black top hat, hisarms were skinny like a stick,
his legs were skinny like astick, with a little little
black shoes.
And as I was going to tell mymom, he's, turned around and

(44:29):
looked at me.
He said like don't say nothingLike, don't say nothing Like.
And I was just like, okay, andhe turned around and hugged my
mother.
So he gave me his back and he'shugging my mom like you know,
mocking me, and I was just like,oh my God, and I stand up.
You know, imagine this littlethree, you know kid, and I'm
looking at.
He's hugging my mother, mymother's not waking up, my dad
isn't waking up.

(44:49):
They're facing each other andkind of like in a trance, we
kind of were discussing thiswork.
You know they weren't waking uplike hey dad, hey mom, and they
were not listening.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
What did you think at this moment?
I was freaked out.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
I was freaked out.
I was freaked out.
I mean, you know, you're tryingto, you know, digest this and
kind of like, what is this?
And plus, remember that he toldme like kind of like, I guess,
like in shock, and then shocknumber two, right.
So then I go walk into theliving room and, uh, so as I'm

(45:20):
going into the living room, youknow I was telling you that how
it is that our latino familieshave their little adornos, their
little, you know, little,animals, or you know right, the
ceramics for decorations, andhow would you say that in
english?

Speaker 2 (45:33):
you know the decorations the decorations,
yeah, like little knickknacksyeah yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
So my mom had, you know, those figurines, and then
he, she had, um, I remember, uh,three turtles like a large, a
medium and a small turtle, andnice, beautiful, they look like
real life.
But as I'm walking towards them, they start walking and I'm
like what the heck these thingsare walking.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
All three of them were walking and I'm just like
and I'm looking through yeah, Imean like what's going on?
What is it like?

Speaker 3 (46:02):
they were going like, like they're, they're walking
on the little table.
They started moving when Iwalked into the living room
crazy, yeah.
So I was just like, okay, shock, number three, right.
And then they had a blackleather couch.
And then they had this yellowlazy recliner that I think was
in the family like for years.
But there was a cover in therecliner and I kind of like

(46:26):
opened it up to see what was inthere and there was this dog.
We had no pets, we had no cats,and a dog came out of the
behind the little cover on therecliner.
I was like, oh my God, what isthis?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
And what?

Speaker 1 (46:37):
did the dog look like ?

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Like a little black little fuzzy dog.
Black little fuzzy dog.
It was small, it was like blackwith a little bit of gray, like
those little hairy, you knowtight puppies, and it just came
out of nowhere and it was likewhoa, so shock, number four,
right.
So I'm looking around theliving room.
I didn't see nothing else.
The turtles are still walking,the little dog is behind the

(47:00):
little you know the little coverthere and then I go okay.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So going back to the dog, because you did mention
that he tried to bite you.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Yes, he did.
He did try to bite me, you know, out of nowhere, this dog, you
know, tried to bite me and I'mjust like, oh, it's already had,
the little lion on the front?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Were you scared or were you still just like, like?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
I was, I was astonished or scared.
I was astonished, scared, andsince my parents weren't waking
up, so then, after the dog issue, then I said, okay, I need to
go with my parents now, likebecause this is already crazy,
like what's going on.
I was scared and there wasnowhere else, nobody, nobody

(47:39):
else in the house, it was justus three, my parents and myself,
right.
So from there I go back intothe room, my little brother's in
his little sleeping bag.
I told you that the way thatLion's gesture, from the
original gesture to the oneafter when I bit him, it stayed
the same, which is crazy.
So I'm looking at that.
I see that man, big cartoonfigurine, hugging my mother,
still with a top hat.
So then I walk over to my dad'sside to wake him up and shake
him, because you know theyweren't on response.

(47:59):
I'm like already, like, okay,this is crazy, I need to tell my
dad wake him up, so he can, youknow, wake up and get this man
off of my mom.
And I'm shaking him and hedoesn't wake up.
The closet door was in front ofmy dad, that my parents bed and
uh, you know, back in the 70s,uh, you know, this kid's my mom.
I think she was like 21, 23.
She was young and she had likea basket where they had the

(48:21):
spools, like a sewing kit andthe different needles and all
that.
I guess they gave her when shewas married A beautiful one
which I remember which was lightblue.
It was those plastic wrappedwith like the plastic wire
wrapped.
It was pretty, very nice andcolorful, wrapped with like the
plastic wire wrapped.
It was pretty, very nice andcolorful.
And out of that basket a puppetpops out like with a big
mustache, ugly looking thing,and he's telling me to also shut

(48:44):
up and don't say nothing.
And he really scared me becausehe looked really ugly.
You know, really little littlepuppet figurine popping out of
the basket.
I'm not expecting to see that.
He's telling me like don't saynothing.
And he did pop his little handin his finger like and don't say
nothing.
And he pointed at me.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
So what did he?
Did he look like he was made ofwhat?
Like?
Did he look like an entity orhe looked something like you
could touch, like how did helook?

Speaker 3 (49:12):
No, everything you look, everything little plush,
um, stuffed person, you know,and so can you imagine.
He's like a the long, littleoval shaped body, um, with a
little round head with a blacktop hat, skinny arms, skinny
legs and the little black feet,like you would see in the
cartoons.
Right, I'm sure you guys lookat some of those old school
cartoons.
That's what he looked like, butin the size of what?

(49:35):
Like a five, six, five, seventype man sleeping next to my
mother.
Imagine that.
That's pretty crazy yeah, that,that's definitely like that was
a full body deal, right with thelittle skinny legs.
I mean just describing it givesme the chills because it's kind
of disgusting and scary,because I remember it vividly it
reminds me there's, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
There's like a, there's a, um, a spanish, like a
comic book, that there's like acharacter that comes to mind
when you describe it like itsounds very cartoonish, like the
body's like, sounds like you'resaying that he's kind of like
it was like a cartoon, I meanexactly.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I think what you're saying is exactly what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So, like the body of like, maybe like a pill, and
then two skinny legs and theskinny arms coming out of it
like that's exactly exactly kindof like or a bean however you
want to describe the shape a bigjelly bean type thing and a
round head.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, exactly kind of like the cartoon.
Exactly like a cartoon, butfull body, full figured on the
freaking bed next to my momhugging my mother.
That's freaking crazy right andthen your parents were like no
way waking up, nothing, likethey were just no, so we
concluded and I conclude afterour conversation as well is that
they must have been in a trancebecause nothing was waking them

(50:42):
up.
I mean, if somebody else ishugging you right, you'd be like
, what is this?
Because my dad's on theopposite side, right Opposite
side.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yes, definitely definitely.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Right.
So that was kind of weird.
And then when this littlepuppet thing pops out, so again
it was a something you couldtouch, if you, I was able to
touch it because it looked likea cloth type thing, like a
puppet, you know, he came out ofthe basket, like you know, like
if you're going to disneylandand these things pop out of a
basket or something, you're likewhat the heck is that?
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
yeah, you're like, what right am I on?

Speaker 3 (51:10):
yeah, yeah.
And then the little thing withhis little hand tells me and
like shut up, like kind of likethreatening like something's
going to happen if you tell onus, kind of a thing.
So he's the one that scared methe most because he was this
little tiny thing.
He was like a little man in alittle you know basket, popping
out and threatening me.
So he was scary, looking with abig, you know bushy mustache
and his hair like bushy as well.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It looked like he had a um, so imagine that.
Oh my god, so I know.
I asked you this last time, soyou know, but I'm asking you
again.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
No, no, this spanned how long, like how did, how long
did this whole?
Because it sounds like it wasback to back to back.
Yeah, no, it was back to backstraight up deal.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
So it could be anywhere from 30 minutes to 60
minutes, 30 minutes to an hourbecause a lot of things to
happen, like that's like a lotof things to happen, especially
such a small child.
You don't know what to do.
You're like on your own.
It's like very almost likeAlice in Wonderland, like
something's happening to you,you know yeah, it was like.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
It's like it felt like slow motion and it could
have been even less time thanthat, but it's so much to
swallow, it's such a smallamount of time.
And you know how we're kids,we're wandering all over the
place, we're kind of looking andyou're kind of like you know,
is this for real?
You know, you're kind of tryingto digest it because you're
alone, they're not waking up.
You're like, okay, what's goingon?
So after the, the salaiincident, the the living room

(52:23):
incident, I went running into myparents room and I still see
this man hugging my mother, so Iwasn't seeing things.
I see the lion's head, because Iwent to check, his head was at
the last, you know position,position that he was looking at
me.
So then my dad finally wakes up.
I'm waking up, shaking him, dad, dad, dad, I guess he wakes up
out of his trance and when thathappens, they disappear, which
is crazy, they disappeared.
So I'm telling my dad hey, dad,you know, you know, tell him

(52:46):
everything that I just told you.
And he's kind of like, well,don't worry about it, you know,
that's very strange.
And my mom wakes up and she'skind of like, what's going on?
Right, but the one I wastelling was my father.
So he sat down with me, weprayed and then, you know, we

(53:06):
sang some you know, religioushymns and songs and then, after
that, my dad started lookingaround the house like, hey, well
, my dad started looking aroundthe house like, hey, well, being
a religious man, he knew thatsometimes, you know, people can
carry things and is theresomething that you have or is in
the house that it can attract?
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
What's the cause of it?
Like, why are they suddenlyhappy?
Because that's not drastic,it's crazy.
Because, you know, we comeacross people that sometimes
tell us like their experiences,and it could be like, ok,
there's something that they saw,like they saw a shadow, they
saw like something appear, orthey felt something, like
something touched them, or youknow things like that, a
sensation, a sensation, but likethe things that you experienced

(53:49):
this particular day, there's somany things Like it was like
something that, whatever it was,felt very powerful and very
drawn enough to be likecontinuous, you know, because it
was like one thing after thenext, after the next, after the
next, and so it felt like anattack, like you were saying
that's it, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
I feel like he was under attack and it's crazy
because they all had to do withthings that you, you would think
, oh, this is like a safe thingfor a kid, like toys for tools,
yeah and figurines that werealready at home.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Like it's like the innocent part getting taken away
yeah, because that kind ofalmost leaves you like, are you
ever gonna feel comfortable like, let's say, you know your
parents were less understandingand let's say they were not
really like they didn't believeyou.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
They just told you, oh, you're having a dream like
it was not real or somethinglike you would have been left to
like deal with it by yourself,you know yeah, yeah, I mean, and
I'll tell you one thing, eventhough after the fact that I
would go back into, I wouldcheck and I was scared, I would
be scared to go in, uh, the roomand especially see the closet,
so and then they got rid of thethe sleeping bag.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Thank god they got rid of it and because you did
say say again, say it again Iknow you mentioned it what part
earlier, but let's go back to itthat um image of the lion
didn't return to its normalimage, that it kind of stayed it
didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
It didn't, as a matter of fact, um, the, the
little baby cub, was facingoutside originally, but then in
the picture he's facing uplooking at his dad, and the lion
was staring at us directly,same as a little cub, but then
his face was tilted and so thatimage changed and it gives me
the chills right now because Iremember exactly looking at it

(55:21):
and, um, it was horrible,because I double checked to see
if it went back and it stayed asthe last image when I poked his
face, and it's so great that.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I think that's the part that like really yeah gets
me the most because obviously,you know, whatever entity was
there manipulated the image thatexisted already, that was
either stitched or printed, butjust the fact that it stayed,
like how, whatever it change, itmade like it stayed that way,
that's crazy.
Yeah, that's the weirdest part.

(55:51):
Yeah, that's the part that justkind of stands out because it's
like okay, you can't even saylike, oh yeah, I woke up from a
dream because, like the, theevidence of it being like
something happened is like rightthere in front of you and
that's why we got rid of it,because, um, you know, I was
telling him, look that the facechanged and imagine a little kid
, three years old, telling youthat.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And they did get, they did get rid of it.
They did get rid of it becauseI was horrified, especially
because the thing freaking bitme, plus the way its head was,
and I think again, that was likea mockery and I think what
these paranormal entities dothey want to mock us like hey,
you know what, you know, I havepower over you.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Or you know what I did scare you, or you know, and
when that man was hugging mymother, I mean I was like yeah,
like I think like basically,what they want is they want your
reaction like a reaction, youknow.
They want to see what they'regoing to cause in you, and
that's kind of really unfair,because you're like a little
child.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Yeah, I mean it was crazy.
It was scary.
You know, like I said right nowthat I'm recounting the story,
I'm kind of like.
You know I can rememberstanding up.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Everything I described exactly is what I did
and what I experienced um inthis whole story, which is crazy
yeah, and I think it's thatit's because it was like
startling something that's gonnadefinitely be just embedded in
your core memories.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Well, imagine if, if that story made an impact on you
.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Imagine the person who lived it, you know?

Speaker 3 (57:08):
yeah, definitely and many people don't believe.
They're like are you freaking,kidding me?
Yeah, three years old and yeah,we can remember and I remember
exactly what I did.
I remember exactly whathappened.
I remember the images of thesehuge characters, a little puppet
and, like I told you, uh aswell.
So at the end, my dad did findsomething behind a black couch.
Um, so, be careful what peoplebring into your life, what you

(57:29):
receive or exchange from people,because they can bring entities
into your house, into your caror even on you and there was a
lady.
A lady had hidden some you knowspiritual items in a brown paper
bag in an old school.
You know market, because that'show you grow with a grandma.
How would you say it?
The produce, or what do youcall it?
Like the supermarket,supermarket, the supermarket.

(57:50):
So I'm thinking marqueta, rightLike grandma.
So I'm going to go with no.
No, it seems that she wasasking for some kind of help.
My parents received her.
I'm not sure she spent thenight.
If she was there for a while,because they were open with
people.

(58:10):
I was telling you last timethat you know they were.
Let family come in, strangerscome in like if it was nothing.
So again, I learned later inlife that that's not the right
thing to do.
Right, you can't yeah, I meanI'm sure they did it with good
intentions, you know like ofcourse, their, their intention
was a good one, but it doesn'tmean because we have good
intentions but other people havebad intentions sometimes
exactly so.

(58:31):
That was the idea.
So, uh, my dad remembered thathe let this lady come in and, uh
, you know that that she was thelast person that was at the
house.
So, um, those items belonged toher.
So what we did is we burnedthem.
And once we burned them, um,you know, we said a prayer again
and after that it was, it wasdone.
So I remember after that I wasOK, skateboarding outside
because I didn't want to comeinto the house.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
And I'm going to be an outdoor child from now on.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Exactly, you know, I didn't want to go back in.
So, like I said, I rememberwhen I went back in you know, I
was still kind of scared, andmainly of the room, the living
room, and I checked the littleturtles in the living room.
They were, um, intact becausethey didn't throw those away.
But they didn't move again.
Um, there was no dog under thecover, there was nothing under
it after that.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
And then it, yeah, and then inside the the the room
, well, they got rid of thelittle sleeping bag and that was
that, you know but again thatstory and experience that stayed
with me till this day mygoodness, and you know, I think
like listening to this is likeagain, people could easily just
say like, oh, you know, that's achild's imagination, most
likely you were sleeping becauseyou were you know how you

(59:36):
mentioned that you were, um,sleeping on the side of the
pilot.
Oh, you were probably stilldreaming and you dreamt that
that happened.
And then you woke up later butlike no, you actually had
evidence that all this tookplace.
It wasn't a dream, it wasn'tany imagination.
And because of the story itselfyou know, that's something that
, like I said, it's not like alot of people's experiences with
entities this is something thatjust like stands out so much,

(59:56):
and I think this is the reasonbecause the movie that we
reviewed right before this, yeah, it has to do kind of similar.
It has to do with a lot of likethings that seem innocent, that
you know something attacks afamily and it has to do with
that.
You know there's like toys inthe mix and all that so kind of
like goes hand in hand with this, which is why we chose I think
it was like the perfect time tobring your story in here.
Awesome, like there was likedifferent elements like yeah

(01:00:19):
gingerbread, cookies, toys, allthose things that, like you,
wouldn't think twice about beingscary, that come into it, but
yours was like a real life one.
I think it's important to like.
This is an important questionlike so now, as a parent, you're
older obviously you know, withyour own children.
You know, like, let's say, theyever saw something that was out
of the ordinary or somethingthat scared them.

(01:00:39):
I'm pretty sure that thischanged the way you would be as
a parent, like hearing thingsfrom your children, because
you've experienced something asa child and thank goodness your
parents had your back and theybelieved you.
You know, I know that there'slike a lot of people that
probably would dismiss theirkids and like nothing, and then
they're there like gary and hadno answers by themselves, you
know.
So, like, did that change theway you would listen to your

(01:01:01):
children as a grown-up?
Now that you're adapted?

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
for sure, and I think even more one day when I'm a
grandfather right, Because Ithink the older we get.
I think my awareness has openedup as time has gone by.
And then having theseconversations because, yeah,
children have a creative geniusthat we don't understand and
they see things we don't see.
And people underestimatechildren's intelligence and
brightness and I see it.
I remember my son being threeyears old.

(01:01:24):
And and brightness, and I seeit.
I remember my son being threeyears old and he would tell me
dad, I can do anything fromnothing.
And he was three years of age.
So kids are recording, they'reon recording time like this.
You know podcast, it's live assoon as they're born right and
remember, even before they'rebeing conceived.
Just a real quick story that Ididn't tell you.
But you know one of the thingsthat I learned in Los Angeles I
took a course for neurolinguistic programming.

(01:01:44):
You know, just a little sidenote, because, again, everything
is stored in our subconsciousmind as well.
Right, our lifeline, ortimeline, is written within our
brain and, you know, sometimeswe can't access them unless
we're taking there.
So I took this course.
You know of the power we allhave within us.
So I went to take this course,had gone to grandma's house.
Do you remember the little winething she had next to the
fridge to put their wines?

(01:02:05):
Remember that Grandma's house?
So that morning I came into thehouse, everybody was asleep.
I had so much energy in my bodywith what I was learning, guess
what.
I don't know if you knew this,esme, but all the bottles broke
and the top you know.
They went out and they exploded.
I had that much energy in mybeing that those things exploded
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
No, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah, so that's something that happened to me.
So that's how powerful we canbe and the energy we carry.
So that happened to.
I was like, oh my god, I wasamazed at what happened why do
you think that happened like?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
you went in there excited or energized, or just?

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
just energized with, with what I was learning and the
power we have within us, right.
So I was like whoa, this is forreal, right so so with so also
one of the things that theytaught us how to go access the
subconscious mind, and so I didan exercise with Brian, my
brother.
And just a quick side notebecause I don't know if you knew
that Brian was in my mother'stummy.
He was probably about sixmonths old.
I don't know if you knew thatmy mom had an accident in the

(01:02:58):
Mercedes.
I think I do recall, maybepossibly hearing- so you
remember, you know Brian'slittle issue that he has right
With the breathing and thehyperventilating type thing.
Well, that stems from thataccident.
My mother was maybe, I think,six months pregnant.
We're driving off of one 11thand Hawthorne Boulevard.
Back then there used to be alive nude place on the corner on

(01:03:18):
the right, where I think nowthere's the gate for the, for
the freeway or the.
You know, the and to the leftis like supermarkets.
So my mom got hit head-on andthe mercedes steering wheel was
the marble one so it wentstraight into my mother's tummy.
So we thought she was going tolose the child and we went into
the live nude place.
Uh, to make use the phone to,you know, my mom was able to get

(01:03:39):
out.
The car was destroyed, so I didthis exercise with brian and he
went back into his six monthstate in my mother's stomach
doing the timeline in thesubconscious mind.
So it's pretty crazy.
So his first impact of life wasthat one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
So what do you mean?
He went back to it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, so we did like a hypnosis on him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I was doing it with him.
Oh, hypnosis, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
And with that hypnosis I took him back to his
first trauma or his first impactof life, and it was that moment
and he relived it exactly howit happened, and I was with my
mother when that happened and hewas able to access that even
though he was in the womb he was.
I was able to take him back inhis subconscious mind and he
relived it, while this, you know, this was probably about, uh,
probably about nine years ago orten that I did this exercise

(01:04:20):
with my brother well, that'scrazy and I I was able to take
myself back to even before beingconceived.
So you know, so it's crazy, youknow so.
So everybody knows how powerfulyou know, uh, either entities
and we are as well yeah, we haveand also to connect in our
subconscious mind and also theenergy we have, like with the
bottles.
So again, you know, there's thepower of good and there's the

(01:04:41):
power of evil and you know, Ilive the power of evil but I'm
also sharing the story of thepower of good in our energy and
the power that we have within.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
So I know there, if it serves in any way oh no, no,
yeah, definitely, because I meanI know that our energy, the
energy that we carry with us, Imean it's used for so many
different reasons, just I meanbeyond, like our own life source
and keeping us going, obviouslyright yes, uh but you know how
they say like sometimes, likewhen there's like poltergeist
activity, which has a lot to dowith things breaking and moving
and things like not reallyanyone's seeing apparition but

(01:05:11):
things happening in the house,and a lot of times they connect
it to like teenage kids that arelike growing and going through
puberty and going through thatphase in life because of all the
energy that they have that theydon't know how to control it
and it exits their body or thatsounds like it's kind of
something similar.
Is that what you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
like that's kind of the same thing I'm just saying
that the power that we havewithin, the powers that surround
us, the things that that wecan't see, and remember that the
kids between zero to six yearsof age, their pineal gland is at
full force, yeah, that's whythey can see and hear and
observe things that we can't youknow things like the dogs or
animals that they can hear andsee things.
They have that connection.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
The same way, animals could sense things that we
can't you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Kind of like the same thing that kids have, like that
heightened.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Awareness, alertness.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Yeah, like the six senses that we're normally, that
we're used to having them Likethey have like their other
senses.
Beyond that, a little bitstronger than a random adult.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Yeah, on that a little bit stronger than, yes,
random adult.
Yeah, so you know that's awhole nother topic, but I think
it's beautiful.
But you know, again, we have tobe aware that, hey, kids have
their intelligence.
Pay attention, parents, uncles,grandparents to our children,
because you know, sometimes wedon't.
I think most people are asleep,or you think that it's their
vivid imagination.
No, they're above and beyond us, you know yeah, and a lot of
parents or people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
They treat children as like, okay, they're little,
they don't know anything all youhave to do is just feed them,
dress them, take them to schooland that's it, like they really
don't even give them the time ofday, um, to nourish them and,
like, teach them things, andthat's when it's most um, it's
like a pivotal moment for themto learn, when they're little
children, because that's whenthey're absorbing the most.
So a lot of people think thatjust because a child is that
young, that was like a littlekid.

(01:06:41):
They don't know anything.
They're stupid, it's like.
No, they're just as smart aslike their intelligence.
It's just as strong as an adult.
It's just what they're lackingis experience.
You know.
They're lacking knowledge, andthat's what we have to give them
, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Well, just to remember, I remember when you
were born.
I remember seeing you as alittle baby, as I saw my little
brother.
So I mean, do we remember?
People think that we don't butwatch out, because they're going
to become adults and you'regoing to find out a whole bunch
of different things, because weare aware.
We are listening, we are.
That was little Bruce, back inthe day, you know, at three
years of age.
And yeah, so you know it's acrazy story.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
That's a crazy experience.
And then, like that was, youknow, like I said, that was like
not fair, they were attackingyou so young yeah because some
people like a lot ofnon-believers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
that's why they are so certain that things don't
exist, because they never firsthand experienced anything.
And lucky them.
But it's crazy because on thespectrum there's someone at a
young age who has experiencedeverything Like he got like a
big old spoonful of stuff.
Yeah, you give that to him inone day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
I got a mega dose that lasts a lifetime and guess
what?
It's already going around theworld through you guys, which is
pretty awesome.
It definitely is.
And just so you know, I wastelling you last time that,
because you know we come from areligious background, you know
there are the good spirits andthe bad and, for example, my dad
being a pastor that he was atthe time, he did see people
levitating, that's scary.

(01:08:06):
One of our other uncles.
He was picking up a person oneof his Bible studies to go to
their convention and he saidthat the demons would not let
them get in the car.
They were pulling him back home.
They didn't want to let him getin the car to go to the
convention.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
So that's so crazy and scary, isn't that crazy?
Can you imagine like?

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
fighting against.
You're pulling somebody fromsomeone else who's invisible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
So it gives me the chills, because I grew up around
these stories and they werereal, they actually lived them.
So I guess that's what helpedmy dad to kind of believe it,
even though they didn't see it.
And sometimes, you know, again,most people question it because
, since they can't see it, but Idid live it, I did live it and
many people have.
And, like Laura said, manypeople haven't live it.

(01:08:46):
I did live it and many peoplehave.
And, like laura said, manypeople haven't so because, um,
they haven't, they don't believethat it doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
But it's, it's real, it's a real deal yeah yeah, like
laura was just mentioning to melast time, um, maybe in the
past episode that we had, Idon't know, but she had said how
there are some people that,even though they have
experienced things, they say, oh, I don't believe in that.
That happened to me, but Idon't believe in it.
That happened to me, but Idon't believe in it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Remember, yeah, I know people like that and it's
kind of contradicting, because Ifeel like the more accepting
you are than how he's doing, youcould spread knowledge and just
make people, just remind peoplethat they're not alone, because
this happens to more peoplethan we think.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Like just the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It's kind of taboo, Like you don't want to talk
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yeah, some people don't want to talk about it and
I'm going to give an example.
Like I was just talking to mymom, not to throw her under the
bus or anything yeah, not tothrow her under the bus, but
like she, I remember there wastimes that I was experiencing
certain things when I wasyounger and I still lived with
her and I was like you know, butit wasn't like I said, it was

(01:09:46):
not sleep paralysis, it wasactually like something you know
, because sleep paralysis I knowthat there is a difference.
I mean, obviously there is amedical thing that could occur
to people that, yes, sometimeslike you cannot move because
your sleep cycle is still inprogress or whatever, you know.
So sometimes that could occur.
But there are other times whenyou are definitely not sleeping,
yeah, you know.
So sometimes that could occur.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
But there are other times when you are definitely
not sleeping.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah, so obviously there is like she just missed
you, she just missed me becausefinally, when I did tell her,
you know, but she didn't evensay that medical one, like I
mean, I knew for a fact that wasnot what was happening, because
I experienced it once, twice,three times.
And then finally it got to thepoint that I knew when it was
going to happen and it was a daythat I was literally not waking
up, not falling asleep.
I was, I had literally just satdown to watch tv and it was
like about to happen.

(01:10:27):
But since it had happenedalready several times, like it's
like like in a millisecond, Ialready knew it was about to
happen because of some soundsthat I would hear.
First, you know, it was likesome sounds.
So I started hearing it and Istarted feeling like something
that I had already experiencedthree times and immediately I
just like jumped up and it'sfunny because I felt it like
also like go away from me.
When I jumped up, like I didn'tlike if I would have stayed

(01:10:49):
sitting a little bit longer, itwould have like attacked me
again.
So I remember all those threetimes telling my mom and I told
her mom, it's something that'slike that's pressing me down, it
does and it's not allowing meto talk.
It's like almost like I hadlike something like cover my
mouth because I could make noise, but it was like it was like
covering my mouth, not allowingme to talk, not allowing me to

(01:11:09):
move, nothing.
It was crazy so and I washearing sounds and like, so,
like I knew like the feelingsthat I was feeling, so I was
telling my mom and she wouldtell me I mean, you're just
dreaming.
It was probably a dream, likeyou, probably just like we're
not completely awake yet and I'mlike no, mommy, no, you don't
understand, this is what washappening.
But she was just so dismissive,she just didn't want to like

(01:11:30):
deal.
You know, like she's like no,you agree me.
And I then, when it happenedagain, I told her.
When it happened the third time, I told her and then fast
forwarding today, years later,what?
yeah so I actually brought it uplike two days ago.
Oh, what did you say?
So what was?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
the outcome of that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
tell me, that's like two days ago I brought it up and
it was after like less, I wantto talk to you but like I was
telling, oh yeah, this isamazing.
You know, remember when thiswould happen to me?
And she goes because sheactually brought up the fact
that it used to happen tograndpa carlos.
Okay, and that he would get madif he would start cussing, like
whatever.
Like he was like started, likeyou know, saying stuff to them.
She didn't really say what wasthe outcome, but she said that

(01:12:07):
it would happen to him was that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
was that in mexico city, or here at the house, or?

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
she didn't give me details, but I'm thinking here
because she was already around.
My mom was already around, soobviously it was like when she
probably lived on the same billand you know his building, right
, okay, so she was telling methat.
So then I brought up, I'm like,hold on, I go.
What about when it would happento me?
Mom, like I'm literallyremembering right now that
happened to me too and ithappened to me a few times.

(01:12:32):
It didn't happen to me in yourroom one time and she goes.
It's because I didn't want youto get scared like she didn't.
She basically said she didn'twant to feed into it or
conversate with me about itbecause she didn't want me to
get scared.
And I was like I was alreadyscared.
What are you talking about?
I go, you made me feel like Iwas crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
Well, like all topics of life that are taboo, no,
because we don't talk about it,it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
.
Right, it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Right.
So she was like no, no Es quede seguro estabas dormida.
I'm like, oh my God.
I'm like, so all this time youmade me feel like you just
didn't believe me, but you justdidn't want me to get scared.
I go, I felt so like wow, don'tbelieve me.
I felt like so alone, you know.
And so I was like I was givingher crap about it.
But I was like, why did you saythat to me?

(01:13:17):
Like you could have told me thestory about my grandpa.
And then I would have been likeoh, grandpa knows, let me go
ask him about it or somethingyou know or to validate, yeah,
that you weren't going nuts orcrazy yeah, but I got no
validation whatsoever until likehow many years later things
come out as we get older because, at the end of the day, when
our life.
They don't want to say it, butthen later, when they feel like,
oh, you're an adult, now wecould tell you this is a real

(01:13:37):
deal.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
I mean, I felt exactly what you said and, um,
it does surround us, so we haveto also watch out who we're
around.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Remember, they can jump on us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
They can you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Appear they can stare at us, they can just like just
connect to whatever I know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
So it's a real deal.
So it's exciting that you guysare exposing it and so I guess
many people are going to besharing their stories, like
they've already done so far.
But if you guys have a story,make sure to reach out to Laura
and Esme to share your story.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
I thought it was an interesting concept what your
girls are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
So it's fun, but at the same time it's a little bit
scary, because right now they'reyeah, because I mean we're not
really trying to like oh youknow, put people to get all
paranoid and stuff, but I mean Ifeel like sometimes people,
they like it's kind of like me,they feel alone platform.
Yeah, they don't have aplatform.
And me, like I like like, forexample, when I told mom and she
believed me I'm like, oh my god, like I would have liked to be
able to disclose to someone thatactually would have like open
minds in hearing what I had tosay and maybe if they knew like

(01:14:34):
oh yeah, that happened to me tooI wouldn't feel so alone, like
okay, so like this is not justme, like going out of my mind or
being crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Exactly that's what I'm saying.
When people can acknowledgethat things like that are real,
it takes the burden off like oh,that wasn't a lie, or you know
it wasn't lying or it wasn'tcrazy, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Sometimes people just want to be acknowledged, that's
all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Exactly so.
I think it's an acknowledgement.
So I think this program thatyou have is also going to help
people for their story to beacknowledged and to be heard and
to be understood, because atthe end of the day, people don't
understand what they haven'tgone through right.
So I think that's a cool thingand I'm glad that you remembered
about my story.
I thought it was pretty crazyand cool and I hope somebody can
identify with this story.
Just say, hey, you know what,you're not alone, it happened,

(01:15:12):
it's real and it still happenedas an adult.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah, a lot of the stories that we're getting is
people with, like when they'rean adult, like, for example, we
had our friend Fernie Like, hedid tell us some stories we
shared, mostly when he wasalready a teenager and older.
But we do have one more storythat we haven't shared but we
will be sharing in the futureand it also was with him being
like a child, like six years old, when he was like hiding from

(01:15:34):
his cousin and somethinghappened to him.
So we'll put that on.
Yeah, like, sometimes whenpeople are kids, it could be the
most traumatizing.
And then you're less likely tobe believed when you're around
certain people because a lot ofpeople, like I said, they
dismiss children and their story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Sometimes, I agree, but what are your thoughts now
that you guys have heard thestory again?

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Well, it doesn't, it doesn't get old.
Let me tell you that it reallydoesn't.
It gets my brain like, justlike, like.
Oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
And you provided way more details from what I had
heard.
So it's even more out of thisworld, because I thought it was
already bad.
But now, when you said likefigurines were walking, a puppet
literally told you to shh, andthe dog, yeah because when I had
told laura the story, I hadonly told her the cartoon
sleeping with person sleeping inthe bed, the lion, and then the
person sleeping on the bed, andthen I was like nuts.
But now even you mentioning thedetail like the face stayed that

(01:16:27):
way on the print of the pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
That really freaked me out.
To be left with a reminder Ican't wrap my head around it
Kind of like Compass, like heleaves a reminder.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I can't wrap my head around it because I'm like well,
the fabric is still fabric,it's still thread, like it's
still printed.
How did that change?

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
yeah, like how was that manipulated?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I can't wrap my head around.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
It's something that's outside of the physical world
yeah, they can manipulateanything and see what at the end
was.
What I think makes me shake andquiver is the fact that they
want to like threaten you andthey want to like intimidate you
, and that's what they weretrying to do, even with the
little lion, you know.
So he was mocking me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
The other man who was hugging my mother mocking me
the, the little puppet that cameout at the end, like hey, you
know, he was threatening me,like hey, you know what, don't,
he was uglier, so that thatlittle thing was like, oh my god
, very intimidating so I said Ifeel I'm shaking, just
remembering the way he waslooking at me and telling me and
the little hand moving like youknow, like shut up, like like
and I also wonder, like let'ssay, your dad would not have

(01:17:25):
believed you and they would nothave found that bag as soon as
you know, with things that thelady left behind, let's say that
didn't occur because ofwhatever reason.
Like let's say he didn'tbelieve you or they didn't like
really look around soon enough.
Whatever, how far theseentities willing to like go to
like what probably continued.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Who knows what it would have led to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
But I mean?
Yeah, I mean because it soundedvery.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Imagine they could repeat it that every night.
You know they could have triedto do something to us, maybe
something to little to little,brian, at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
I mean, he was just a few months old, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yeah, it's like what, like what I had mentioned last
time.
They say or I don't know whereI heard or read that after three
years old because you're oldenough to know right and wrong
that's when entities startmessing with you.
That's how it's as early asthey start messing with you.
So this is the first time thatI ever heard actually a person
that was three years old, youknow so it doesn't make sense to
me what you're telling me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
So it backs up the story and that I was aware at
that age and I was.
I can recall many other thingsuh, just normal things that
happen.
I remember little stories andsituations with my dad no, yeah,
definitely, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Well, I appreciate very, very much telling us this
story and relating it, and allowme to share it with our
listeners, because I think mostpeople will appreciate something
like this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Well, I'm looking forward to hearing the feedback
of other people's experiences,that they can come on and share
them, and I hope that they enjoythe story.
I hope it makes them shake andquiver too, imagining what a
little human being can gothrough, and even as an adult we
can shake and quiver under someothers experiences and change.
It says just a little child, soit less it creates a lasting
imprint.

(01:18:53):
But thank you again, esme, forthe invite.
Thank you, laura, for youraudience who support you and who
also share their stories.
You know send blessings and youknow looking forward to hearing
some stories back from all ofyou.
So thank you so much I'mexcited, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
And well, something that I always tell people when
it's like a crazy ugly story,I'm always like I hope that
never happens to you again, butif it does, you have a place
right here to tell us if youever see part two again or
biting you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Yeah, we'll get back on and do that.
Yes, well, thank you ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
All right, brucey.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Well, thank you once again so what did you think of
that?
Everyone I, as I mentioned likea million times, I have always
thought this story was so cool.
And what are your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, it was really cool to hear it again from the
horse's mouth.
Thank you, bruce.
Once again, he's not a horse,it's a saying.
In reality, I'm glad I heard itfrom him again because, yeah,
like there was details that Ididn't really remember.
There was a lot of extras thatI like the turtles and the dog
that almost bit him.
I didn't remember any of that.
I still hear it again and it'ssuch a outrageous story.
You're like what?

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
yeah, hopefully there's.
Like you know, god protects allthese other little kids,
because I think part of why it'sso unique and interesting is
because of his age, like wealready touched on.
You know, we already saidthat, but I don't know.
It makes me kind of like notsad, but I'm just concerned that
you know everyone's no one'sbasically safe from anything.
People you know, like kids, oldpeople, like the whole spectrum

(01:20:19):
of a human being is at risk ofexperiencing something and
hopefully you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah, and it's kind of like what we had said before,
that you know there's so manykids that probably experience
things, but you know theirparents either a don't believe
them and then as they grow theyforget, or they chalk it up to
like it was my imagination.
How many kids out thereprobably think they would
imagine certain things?
Or oh yeah, I used to pretendthis, I used to pretend that,
but it's like no, you weren'tpretending.
You're actually seeing certainthings.
Um, but they already knowwhat's right and wrong, that
they could be attacked.
They could be under attackspirits, demons, entities, devil

(01:20:52):
, whatever the hell and thatsucks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Yeah, that's pretty enlightening information.
Maybe more people should knowabout it.
That the age is three, I know,but um, yeah, we hope that it
was a good, very enticing storyfor you know, listeners, I'm
sure it was, because, incomparison to all the other
stories we've shared I mean,they each have their own plot
that is like damn.
I wouldn't want that to happento me, but this one, like I said

(01:21:16):
, is one of my favorites.
I've heard it a few times, butnever like this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
So hopefully everybody enjoyed it.
Let us know, send us an email,if you have a scary story that
you want to share with us, andlet us know what you thought
about this one.
Yes, definitely, let us knowwhat you think about this and
remember thank you forsubscribing, if you haven't
already.
So till next time.
Bye, happy New Year.
Thanks for watching.

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