Run Rabbit Run review/ Jessica's chilling sleep paralysis encounter

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Speaker 1 (00:29):
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Welcome back.
My name is esme and today Ihave a special co-host that's
going to help me talk about ourmovie of the week, and her name
is Jessica.

(01:25):
Yay, hello everybody, hi.
So she's a really good friendof mine and she likes watching
movies a lot.
She likes to go to the beachfor strolls at night.
She likes piña coladas.
I'm just kidding.
Go ahead and tell us a littlesmidgen about yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Okay, so I have.
As May said, we're really goodfriends.
I've known her for many, manyyears.
That's my road dog and I loveeverything and anything related
to horror.
I love going out, I love myDodgers you catch me at the
Dodger games often or ditchingwork to go to the World Series
Parade and live music.

(02:01):
And again, horror stuff.
Horror, horror, horror, horror.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Okay, horror, horror, Horror.
Okay, All right everyone.
So today we are going to talkabout a movie called Run Rabbit
Run, and this movie came out2023.
They actually have it like ahorror drama.
Do you think that's accurate,Jessie?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Drama and I feel like it's definitely like
psychological.
Yes, I agree Psychological.
Yes, it's not a horror movie,whereas, like you're, drama and
I feel like it's definitely likepsychological.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, I agree psychological yes it's not a
horror movie, whereas likeyou're gonna get jump scares and
it's gonna be like, oh my god,I'm so scared.
It's more of like intensepsychological trauma.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yes, yes for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So that's the type and if you look it up, in a
nutshell it says that it'sunsettling, thrilling and
horrific.
So yeah, I think that's kind ofaccurate.
And I was kind of reading theoverview on it which I do that
sometimes just to see how theydescribe it like and it says
here a fertility doctor known asa strange behavior, and I was
like, wait, I'm like a fertilitydoctor?
I don't even know what she didfor a living.
The whole movie I was like what?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I'm like that's a surprise.
I didn't know that part did you?
They did show a glimpse of that, but it was such a small
glimpse so like I don't evenknow why they included it,
because that doesn't even play arole I didn't never play I
don't even remember like Ithought I was like, really
paying attention to this movie.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't remember nothing to do with fertility
crazy.
Back to the movie.
So, and this is like anaustralian movie, right, yes,
okay and the actress who alsoplays in succession.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
She plays shiv in succession.
She's really australian, okay,so this was nice because it was
like her natural habitat exactlyexactly, and director dana reed
.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
So I really like when they have women directors, it's
just go women.
Yeah, a little quick anecdote.
You know that song fly robin,fly up up to the sky.
Yeah, when they first wrotethat song it was supposed to say
run, rabbit, run, oh my god.
Yeah, and this is just like alittle fun fact that has nothing

(03:52):
to do with the movie.
You know that mtv show, um, Ilove the night.
Like you know, they would say Ilove the 90s, I love the 80s,
70s.
Well, they had a I think I lovethe 70s and when they talked
about that song, rupaul came outthere and said did you, you
know?
And she's like the one thatsaid about the run, run, run.
And I'm like wait, what I don'tknow why that stuck in my head.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
There's also another reference for a run, run, run,
go.
What is it?
A Pink Floyd song?
For those of you who don't know, I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan and
it goes run, rabbit, run, digthat hole, forget the sun, oh
yeah, awesome, that's even abetter one.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Okay, all right.
So basically, this movie startsoff with a single mom, sarah.
She has a cute little daughter,mia, and she calls her Bunny.
Yes, you know they used to callJessica Bunny too.
They sure did so, yeah, and Ithink it starts off like on her
birthday, right.
The first impression I got isthat she had a really loving

(04:49):
relationship with her daughter.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Like they were like got along really good, she was a
good little girl, like she wasreally like oh yeah, whatever
mom says and you know she wasreally into her daughter like
came off like that, you know,and it starts with her greeting
her daughter for her birthdaywith a present in her hand and
like that I thought like kind ofgoes with what you said,
because like when I see my niecefor her birthday, I always take
like video of her just wakingup so I have like 10 years of

(05:11):
video of her just waking up.
So that's what kind of remindedme of that?
Because it you know thefilmmaker kind of filmed in on
her as her daughter is justwaking up and she sees her and
she has a present in her hand.
So, yeah, I definitely felt likethat.
Oh my god, you definitely haveto make a montage.
I know makeup oh my god.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
So yeah, the director caught that, and I also like
the fact that, like when shetries to wake her up, she acts
asleep she does a little snoring.
And then she's like I got whenshe mentions the pancakes.
Oh, I guess I have to be bymyself.
I treat you.
It's like the kids always likegive in, oh wait, oh, I'll give
you a treat.
Oh, I was just kidding, here Iam.
That's such a kid thing, okay,so anyways.
So it starts off reallypositive, but then it seems like

(05:51):
on that birthday I don't knowif I guess it's significant
because it's her seventh yes,yes.
So it seems like that day.
So that's really the kickoff toour story, really yeah, like it
takes a turn, but it takes awhile for us viewers to know
that.
To put that together, yeah yeah,because at first we get an
impression of them and it'sreally loving and nice and sweet

(06:12):
, but then by the time that dayis done, it's like it already
has a different feel, right?
Yeah, and I think even the momstarts like noticing, like she's
kind of like wait, what?
Like?
What's going on?
Like my daughter's acting kindof awkward and weird and
whatever right she has adeceased grandfather I don't
know how recent that is in herlife the obituary.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think I don't know when this came out.
I think the obituary read 2020,because that's kind of one of
the first things that they honedin on.
She was making the pancakes forher daughter's birthday and she
kind of was like lost intospace and it showed his obituary
that was hanging on there stillon the refrigerator, yeah, and
that's where we found out, likeyou know, that he was husband to
joan, father to alice and sarahand grandfather to me.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
I knew, and actually it was 2020 okay one thing that
I noticed right away is that dadcame over with a new wife.
Yes, like it seemed like theywere all chilling, yeah, but
then there was also like awkwardlittle moments.
Right, like you could tell thatPete, which is Sarah's ex, he
mentions things to Sarah thatDenise has a kind of like issue
with her mentioning and viceversa.

(07:12):
Like he told Sarah oh, I toldDenise about this.
She's like well, why would youtell her that?
Like she, obviously they havelike a weird thing that they
don't like him talking aboutboth of them to each other, yeah
, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
And then I thought it was really interesting.
There was this part of theconversation.
She's like, oh, I thought weagreed on that.
He's like, uh, you agreed, andit that was talking about his
relationship with his new wife,and I was like that's
interesting, like what did hisex agree with him because he
said oh, I thought we agreedthat mia would be an only child
to.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
To me it like, translated as like well, that
was when we were together, butI'm in a new relationship now.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Oh, that would make sense.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean that's how I took it, but at the same time
she had like a weird face likewait what, like you know,
because obviously any kid thatyou know he has is going to be
her sibling, no matter what.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
And maybe he is's not a divide.
You know, sarah knows is likeno, doesn't be her sibling
anyways.
One thing I would like to addto that where the first time
where I was like oh, that'ssomething that we're gonna have
to remember is when she'sdropping off her daughter for
school.
She gets a call and it's fromthe age care facility and then
it shows her like oh, justputting it back in her pocket,
like disregarding it.
So that's when I was like hmm,a clue, a clue yeah, like who.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Why doesn't she want to answer?

Speaker 1 (08:25):
this yeah, yeah, yeah .

Speaker 2 (08:27):
And the daughter asks who is that?
And she did.
She's like, oh, nobody, yeah,because she does it at home too,
she does I don't know whatorder.
She does do it at home too, butthe daughter's aware someone's
calling and which normally kidslike don't really care parents
phone calls but it kind ofalready starts like okay, she
wants to ask a question forwhatever reason.
Then we find out later why.
So.
Like later, when they make itback home she gets the mail and

(08:49):
then she hides one of theletters in her pocket but the
little girl's like really awareand in tune and she's like what
is that?
What did you say?
Oh, nothing, no, but who isthat from?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
it's also a letter that's like pink yeah pink
envelope and normally adultslike us we don't get pink
envelopes in the mail.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
No.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
On our daughter's birthday.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Right, yeah, so she probably knows.
And she's like, who is thatfrom?
Like oh no, it's, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
There's also one thing too that was huge that we
need to rewind.
Sorry, but also on the obituary.
And then she's saying is Joancoming?
The mother looks like kind oftaken aback and she's like I
miss her.
And then she's like that'sfunny, because usually you don't
miss people who you've nevermet, and her response was like I
miss people I've never met allthe time.
And then we like get to thehome and to the piece of mail.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
But that was like because the mom was like I think
her response was like why wouldyou like assume that she will
be there, or why?
Why do you think that she mightbe like something like that,
right, but she wouldn't?
you've never met her, so that'salready a thing.
And then, like then we kind ofsee, because the card that she
takes out during the party oryeah, you know, while everybody
was inside, so she goes outsideto smoke a cigarette and she

(10:07):
burns it with her cigarette,right, and she like puts it
aflame and it says happybirthday, yes, and granddaughter
.
She says to granddaughter.
So like we know okay now weknow who.
That is right, yeah.
So it's kind of odd, like atfirst.
I'm like yeah, what, like?
What's going on there?
What's going on?
there's a drama, some familydrama got some pain behind those
eyes.
From then I think it just getsawkward because the rest of the
night, like I think like thelittle boy that comes with like

(10:28):
denise's son like hits thelittle girl and then she gets
upset, but then they get upsetat her for getting upset.
It's kind of weird.
Like okay, well, I'm gonna getmad, you're hitting my kid, but
you're not saying nothing.
So it's kind of like a wholeweird.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like dynamic right there it really was and I think
like that scene really enhancedthat dynamic.
Uh-huh, because the father waslike like, you know what to do
and and then at the end he'slike he is a little shit and in
my head I was like he is alittle shit.
I know people I know, like Idon't know where.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
And then the mom gets off her own man like why, are
you yelling at him?

Speaker 1 (10:59):
it's like dude, yeah that's funny.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I mean, yeah, that's funny.
So next day we start noticinglike she goes to school and then
like she starts acting funny.
Right, she starts like almostlike not regarding authority
anymore, like she wants to justkind of do her own thing, and
the expression that the mom haswhen she doesn't want to hug her
and acts kind of funny.
You could tell that's notnormal, like by her expression.

(11:22):
Right, yeah, she kind of like,but she lets it be like she
doesn't correct it or askquestions.
She's kind of like oh, let's go, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
She comes back from school and then all of a sudden
there's a rabbit that's on theirdoorstep, okay, and she's like
look, mom, someone left it forme.
And clearly she was like no,this is obviously a pet that has
gone astray.
You know, let's figure it out,but the momlets are taken in
anyways.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, so let's say this I think this is like a very
ambiguous type of idea.
Do you think that rabbitbrought a spirit, or do you
think this rabbit is justrepresentative of something?

Speaker 3 (11:58):
So, at this point.
I know the rabbit's important,but after I've seen the movie
I'm like kind of having a hardtime deciding what the
importance was of the rabbit,because it didn't really serve a
purpose.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Not to mention the fact that he appears in other
places where they didn't bringhim.
Yeah, is this rabbit like notreal?

Speaker 3 (12:16):
And then also knowing what we know, at the end?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
We don't know it yet.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
but when we find out, ultimately it was her own
psychological that's what I'msaying, yeah.
So are you asking like was it areal thing?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Manifest it.
Is she imagining it or is itactually physically there and
it's like teleporting?
Yeah, that's so weird, I don'tknow.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
At the end, I was like wait, how does the rabbit
tie into this, though?
Because there was nothing thatwas like oh, the rabbit was the
one that I don't know that wascausing everything to unfold it
didn't really play a role.
Yeah, we don't understand thesymbolism behind the rabbit.
It never told us, or maybe itdid, but I don't think I saw it.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I'm telling you, I mean, there are a lot of aspects
of this movie that kind ofleave it up to perception.
Yeah, you know, like it's up toyou how you want to take it
basically.
So it's up for interpretationfor real.
But remember, we're not scaredof spoilers.
Yes, we're gonna spoil it, Ihave to remind people.
I'm like, yeah, we're gonnaspoil this.
If you haven't watched it,we're gonna tell you right now.

(13:12):
Yes, we think the whiterabbit's a spirit.
That's just kidding, we don'tknow.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
It might be who knows , I do know this.
It does protect a little girland we start to learn that in
that day, when the rabbit showsup because she tries to get rid
of it, the mom tries to get, butit wasn't that day that she
tried to get rid of it.
It was like days later.
Okay, well, when she does tryto get rid of it, the rabbit
bites her and and then she pullsher, her hand back, and when
she looks behind her, the littlegirl you see the little girl,

(13:38):
the silhouette of the littlegirl, just watching her.
Yeah, it gave me damien vibes,like the omen vibes, and there
was another scene where it givesme all my vibes, but wait till
we get there, okay, but I startto feel like these omen damien,
like the black lab, how we withit.
Yeah, there's some more ofthose coming up.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So then I think, is that when she makes her little
mask yes, okay.
So I also feel like the maskrepresents like maybe when she
starts actually coming out ofher normal character, so like
she's wearing it, the mom likebecause she acts weird or says
weird things, yeah, she's liketake that off, you know.
And she tells her to take itout.
She doesn't want to take it off, but it makes me think is she
using this or is this just themovie representing that she's

(14:16):
being influenced by somethingelse?
At that time, you know, becausethat's when she started saying
I'm not mia, yes, you know, shestarted like saying certain
things, you know.
And when she, when she startedsaying I'm not mia, yes, she
started like saying certainthings, you know.
And when she has that mask, shestarts like asking incessantly
about her grandmother?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
yeah, right, we do notice that her attitude shifts
towards her mom.
Yes, once that rabbit comesyeah, the rabbit that we see,
and also that's when she startsputting the mask on so we do
notice a shift in attitudetowards her mom, which is eat
later.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
And it really stands out, and it always stands out to
me.
The mom notices, but shedoesn't.
It's like she keeps pushing itaside Like oh well.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Like she just accepts it.
It's kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Like I don't think that I would do that.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Australians are much different.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Australians be acting different.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
I know acting different.
I know she didn't have amexican mom.
The next thing is when we getthe call from the care nursing
home and that's when we can hearhim talk to her, and he's
talking about your mom'scondition.
So now we know all the callsthat she was like yes, yes so
then he starts talking aboutyeah, you didn't want to come in
, but you know we think it's agood time for you to come in and
then.
So that kind of opens thewindow to to that story now,
yeah, there's a lot of layers inthis.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I think that's one of the times also that the little
daughter appears out of nowhere,like looking at her, because
she's like asking her forpictures.
Right, yes, she tells her noalso the little girl, remember
to.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
This is which I thought was an important part.
She couldn't find her littlegirl girl and remember she found
her in that.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I don't know if you'd call it a tunnel, yeah, and
then she was like with the bunnymask on and she was like she
was shaking and scared and itlooked like she peed right.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, yeah, because it was definitely wet under her.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's the only time that I felt like it was almost
insinuating a possession becauseshe was frightened by something
and then, as we know in othermovies in the past, it causes
people to pee.
It does that.
This is me just basing it onother movies.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Also, when you sneeze unexpectedly.
Yeah, that comes with time,it's not pretty over 30.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, but when you're a kid, no, but yeah.
So that gave me the impressionalso like okay, she's not well,
Something's wrong with her.
She's already acting like outof character and then, when she
starts with that, personalitychange and stuff like that's the
impression I got.
They're subtle.
This movie's like.
It gives you subtle hints andyou have to just like get it.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
And then I know that night mom was talking to her in
the bathtub and she was like I'mjust really sad.
And the mom's like why are yousad?
She's like because I miss mommy.
And that was really like what'sgoing on?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
she's like, but I'm here yeah, yeah that's why she
puts it to go to sleep.
But see, that's the thing, likethe time, whenever I'm going
back to that same picture thing.
I just remember that when shetold her she didn't have a
picture, and then she goes tothe garage thinking her daughter
went to sleep.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yes, so that's the next thing, that's the next
thing yeah, okay, but but beforethat there's also one more
saying it again.
This is the, the omen vibes Iwas talking about, okay, where
it just shows them sitting at atable and it shows the mom's
like feet and it shows her feet.
You know nothing really going on, except for that at her feet is
the rabbit sitting yeah, and Iwas like oh, that's like this
rabbit is almost like theprotector, or yeah, or like it's

(17:22):
really interesting how theykeep focusing in or or not.
If it'll make sense later, butI thought it was worth noting.
And then she, that's when shesaid she's like I need pictures
for my because she wanted todraw.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
She's like, oh, just draw them.
And she goes, no, but I needpictures.
Yeah.
So then, um, the mom shuts herdown, no pictures, blah, blah,
blah.
Thinks.
She puts her to sleep, but thenshe goes to the garage to look
at, because she told her no,tomorrow we're not doing that
now, this and this and that, buther for herself.
I think she went to go checkand she saw a box that had dad's
miscellaneous crap.
You know, whatever she opens, itSees his wallet and, yes, there

(17:53):
is a photo in there of her andthat's when we first see the
picture of another little girlthat existed.
So it tells us obviouslythere's another.
Who is this person?
You know?
She takes it out and, lo andbehold, all of a sudden it gets
snatched from her hand.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Which was kind of like a jump scare from us.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, like what, the one jump scare, and then she
wanted to keep it because shekept saying it was her.
It's me, yes.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's what she kept saying it's not yours, it is,
it's mine.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So that and I'm thinking why does mom not catch
on to this?
How come she's acting like it'sa normal thing?
Because it's not.
That was the beginning of hersaying it's not me, it's me,
it's me, it's me.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
The next thing is they take a drive and we find
out that they're going to thefacility Not because she wants
Mia to see Joan but she has togo over all of this stuff
because there's some more needsthat are needed for her mother
um and and it's reallyinteresting because, as they
arrive at the facility, mia allof a sudden has a bloody nose-

(18:49):
but before they arrive there wasanother little mini jump scare
that scared me.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Oh, she hits a bird, that's right I totally forgot.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
You made me jump.
Like what the hell am I jumpingover a bird?
Because I actually jumped, Idon't know what the hell that
represented I don't know whythat happened.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, yeah and because it disappeared and then
they go out, and then she goesto try to find it and the
daughter's like why?
And she's like well, because itmight be her and they never
find the bird, yeah, she goes.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
What are you gonna kill it if it's her?
And then she kind of like looksat her like that comes into
play later.
Oh my gosh, I never put thatscene in there right now that I
said it.
Okay, we just thought.
I said we just we'll come backto that.
Yeah, we'll come back to that,because we both just made a
realization.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
All right, cool, now I know what that's about I'm
like, I don't know why thathappened, though it was like
that foreshadowing, oh.
And then after the bird, though, mia did get a bloody nose, and
that plays a big factor into ityes, because this is the first
of a few, right, yes, so shegets to the facility.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
She's kind of annoyed because the person that she's
meeting with is explaining toher well, this, you know, this
is the reason we called you in.
And she's like don't you havemy email?
This could have been in thevideo.
Why do I have to come in here?
And he's like no, you don'tunderstand.
Blah, blah, you know, but she'salready very like you could
tell that she just does not wantto be there.
She finally agrees to see joanand she she does tell uh, mia,
okay, you're gonna meet your.

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So she knows that she's meetingher grandmother.
We think she thinks that.
And then the grandmother, joan,doesn't recognize Sarah at all.
She doesn't even acknowledgeher.
But she's like so happy andexcited to see Mia and she
thinks she's Alice.
It becomes like weird and themom's like trying to tear them
apart.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But she's like oh, my God, where have you been and
Mia's telling her, telling Joanher grandmother, she was like
I'm here now.
Don't be sad.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, and we're watching this weird exchange and
we're like what she's callingher Alice, and then the mom's
like what the hell.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
So she goes, okay, that's enough, that's enough.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
And then she's trying to take her away.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
But then people start holding on each other, all like
crazy and making a big oldscene and even the intern has to
come in and try to tear themaway so that was kind of like
like what is going on?

Speaker 2 (20:45):
traumatizing, yeah, because it's like everybody's
like turning on, like what'sgoing on, because she doesn't
want to let her go, and thenshe's like no, I want to be with
her and he keeps on.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
This is your granddaughter.
This is not alice, this is mia.
This is mia yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
So that's all weird and I don't know why the mom's
not asking more questions, likeshe's just accepting, right.
She takes her back to the carand then there's like another
bad tantrum.
She's kicking and fighting.
She does not want her to closethe door, she's like we're
leaving the facility.
I don't want to be with joan, Idon't want to go, I want to be
here with joan, whatever.
So she's like kind of like no,we have to leave, we have to
leave.
And she finally tries to pushher in and she slams the door

(21:18):
and smashes her mom, smashes herhand because she's's the door,
because she finally gets like.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Most of her body moves.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah.
And so she just tried to closethe door, and when she does it
she smashes Nina's hand, she'sall ah.
And then my ass was like so sheright, bullshit, listen to your
mom.
I know what did you get, can?

Speaker 2 (21:36):
you hear her hands in there.
You're listening at home.
You listen to definitely reallyspiking her mom too.
Yeah, she was like being reallyirrational.
Okay, so it's totally an exit.
But Sarah's like, oh my god.
So she gets all like you know,she feels bad.
So she she talks to Pete andlike she calls him that night
and she's like, oh, I guess,tells him what happened or
whatever.
But then Pete thinks she's liketripping and he's like, no, you

(21:58):
should let Maya have arelationship with her grandma.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, and then the teacher calls her, and she calls
her in for a conference.
The teacher is like you know,how is she handling her
grandfather's death?
And she's like she's fine.
And then she's like you know,we've just been noticing some,
some behaviors here at school.
And there's something else.
And then so she shows her apicture I think it was like the
family tree which was had tomake what she originally needed

(22:24):
those pictures for and she'slike, oh, this is like her
project, yeah, but look on theback.
So they flip it over andthere's like this drawing that's
just done in black, black,black, black, black scribbling.
And then it has two people liketwo people, like two little
girls in it, and the girls areoutlined in red but everything
else is black.
She was like like, yeah, thisis what she's been doing, and
this is not the only one wefound.

(22:45):
And you know, she kindlysuggests have you thought about
maybe having her see a therapistat this point?
And so that's when the mom'slike uh-oh, like some, some
shit's going down yeah, likeit's not just a home thing now.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
She's like, but she's still like professional, like,
what like, what like girl?
Why ain't y'all surprised, likeyou haven't noticed?
Anything wrong with yourdaughter and so she picks her up
right and then, when they're onthe way home, doesn't mia ask
sarah like, oh, can people comeback?

Speaker 1 (23:11):
yes, from where they go after they die yes, and and
then really morbid stuff thatshe starts asking.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And then um, and she's like I think the mom says
like no, and then she's likegrandpa said he'd come back as a
pelican, yeah, to keep eye onyou.
She's like, but that's ourlittle secret.
And then the mom was just kindof looking like, okay, odd.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
So at that point do you feel like who was talking
there?
I think it felt like Mia atthat time, Like it was actually
Mia.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I think it was because it wasn't like.
It was like the way how shelooked when she said it.
It was really thoughtful.
But then it was reallyinteresting because as soon as
they said that, they focus on abird in the sky, but it's not
like a pelican.
When you think of a pelican youthink of like you, like birth,
like someone that brings a baby,you know, like baby life, like
right, oh no, that's the story.
But still, when you think of apelican, you don't get scared
right, you're like.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
You know what I thought of.
I thought of scarface.
Hold on, I thought of scarfacewhen he goes fly pelican, but
he's looking at like flamingosand I'm like that's not a
pelican either.
Nobody knows what a pelicanlooks like Sorry.
Well, I'm sure it looks reallycute.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay, yeah, based on that cute possible perception of
a pelican, I know One thingthat was really interesting is
they focused on the bird to thesky but it was a hawk.
Yeah, she said again a hawk,and a hawk is like really more
like you know, it's like theypray on.
Yeah, it's a predator and it'slike it waits to you know, it's

(24:36):
like preys on you know thingsand maybe even waits till things
are dying, you know, and so Ithought that was really
interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I was like yeah, no one knows what a pelican is Okay
Either way.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
It's opposite of a pelican, Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Either way, this is not accurate.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So I think she was kind of like taking heed of
Pete's little advice orsuggestion.
So he could cause.
He told her you should go takeher to visit and see the house.
That way you could just get herwith put a lid on it.
That's what he said, right?
So she goes, and then thingsget worse.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Right, this is where the story takes another, another
turn.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
So they go to visit the now empty childhood house
and while I don't know, sarahjust like leaves her in the car
like a weirdo and she startswalking around.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
I know, but the little girl I mean she comes out
, goes right to the house andshe finds the you know little
hide-a-key or whatever Goes in.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
But then Sarah's over there focusing on like what is?
That.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Is that like a lake or a?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
swamp or what is that Like a swamp?
It's like a cliff to a lake.
Is it a lake?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
It's a lake.
I think it's a lake.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, yeah, very still water, Okay.
So she's looking across rightand she sees a little girl.
Remember that part?
Yes, so who the hell is thelittle girl?
Yes, At this point we're likewho's that?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
She's looking at somebody that's across, because
nobody has been on thesepremises since her father died.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, and they're like no neighbor status.
So anyway, she's looking.
But then she sees that Mia goesin the house, so she goes in
after her, right?
So Mia goes in the house andshe finds a room saying that
she's gonna sleep there, andthat's her room immediately.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
She went straight to it too.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
She didn't, she just went right to it yeah, it's like
as if she was there before andthen Sarah was like no, we have
to, I don't want you in there,and and this and that.
So she starts fighting herright away.
But then it gets to the pointthat every time she wants to do
something she ends up draggingher out.
She just dragged her away fromher grandma, she drags her out
of this room.
It's kind of like me, I wouldhave just let her be in there.

(26:35):
I mean, I don't think in myhead I would have thought I
don't want her in here becauseof this doesn't know whose room
is it.
She probably just likes it,like let her just kick it, you
know.
But she makes it such a weirdthing.
And then it made it evenweirder, or more escalated, when
the little girl was like no, Iwant to be in here, like so
adamant about staying thereright when they're hanging out
with each other.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
That's when she kind of tells her a little bit about
alice and that's when we findout alice is seven years old as
well because mia starts askingher questions on why she moved
away with grandpa.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yes, and at first I don't want to tell her.
And she tells her.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
like you know, she's like did she like animals?
Did she like to play hide andseek, which I thought was really
interesting?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
But see in that conversation when she tells her
she was seven years old.
Oh, it's me.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
That's, it's me, that's what she starts saying.
So after we as viewers, we'relike, oh, we get a little
glimpse of like who alice was,we start to learn about her, and
then there goes mia againacting all crazy like I'm alice.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, I'm alice because she tells her like that
we're missing at seven and she'slike I'm back, I'm your sister,
I'm seven.
But then, like right beforethat, like she was already
suspecting like it was pete ordenise, because she left to he.
She left like a voicemail onyes phone or something right,
like what have you been tellingher?
Did you talk about alice?
Uh, yeah, because now she'sasking about her.
Yeah, but in my head I'm likeshe hasn't even seen them, I
mean, unless more time passed.

(27:52):
But I'm like why is she?
Yeah, so when she starts sayingthat, like you know, she gets
upset.
Mia starts getting anothernosebleed and then the rabbit
makes a reappearance.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, and, and I'm like how is that rabbit?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
going to be there in this house.
Did they bring him?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I don't remember them bringing him.
They must have brought therabbit?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
No, you think, because you know how they show
her in the cart.
I don't remember her carryingaround the rabbit and even when
she ran in the house.
I was like, when did they bringhim in?
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Like no, they did bring the rabbit.
I was like why would they bringthe rabbit, that car seat with
the bunny he was in the car.
Weird, yeah, it was actually.
He was in the car with them andI was like why would they do
that?
Oh, okay, okay, okay, but still.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
So she wanted to just bring him.
Then I guess that's so weird,that's still weird.
It was her familiar, she madean attachment, see Joan.
And then this time it wasdifferent, because she did
recognize Sarah and she didrecognize Mia as Mia.
Yeah, she's like oh, this isMia.
Thank you so much for bringingher to me yeah, it was a much

(28:50):
more calm visit yes, well, kindof, because then Mia starts
freaking out on Joan, sayingthat she's Alice and all this
stuff.
So, like it started off morecalm.
But then this time Mia's like,oh, you don't miss me or you
don't remember me.
Now she's like's like, yeah,I'm Alice, yeah, it just gets
all weird and stuff.
And then when Sarah tries totake her away, sarah slaps her
and runs out.
Do you remember?
Oh, that's right.

(29:11):
She like literally went pow.
I'm like whoa, she slapped hermom and ran down.
Damn, everybody witnessed it.
And then, like they left.
So Joan was like, wow, likewhat a fucking visit.
No wonder she didn't even gosee me.
It was just crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
So, sarah, so then, after that, I don't know Like
that's the thing we never get tosee.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
If she addresses the fact that she's acting up, you
know, yeah, because right afterthat the scene changes and you
see Sarah taking her to like thememorial.
Yes, so they have like a littlemini stone tower and has a
plaque on it and it says thedate that alice went missing.
And then sarah tells her aboutalice, how she looked, that they
were opposites, they fought alot because they were sisters.

(29:53):
She's like oh, yeah, she likesanimals and games.
And then once she mentionedhide and seek, yes, mia's like
no, she doesn't like hide andseek and she's like saying no
you don't look for me, you makeme hide, hide.
But she's saying her like, yeah,you make me hide and hide and
hide, and you never look for me,yeah and the mom's just again
like what the fuck?

(30:13):
So that's the thing.
Like, after all these clues,the mom is still like in denial
or what.
Like she doesn't realize thather daughter's acting like an
actual.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Alice like everything that she says you know.
And not only Alice Likeeverything that she says you
know.
And not only that it's thingsthat Mia wouldn't even know.
That is true, right, that onlyshe knows.
That is the truth.
We don't know that part yet.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
But Sarah calls Pete that night and tells him like
hey, you know, this is the wayshe's acting.
And she's acting like Alice,and while she's leaving the
message, or like right aftershe's sitting in, that part's
kind of scary.
She's behind her.
She's like guess who, and shecovers her eyes.
Right when she takes her eyesoff, she's in front of her.
So that was really weird, thatwas creepy.
Not that I want to jump ahead,but it makes me think.

(30:54):
Did it seem to you that sarahhad repressed a lot of that?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
because it seemed almost like 100.
That's why I think there wasthat correlation of her sister
being seven and her daughterturning seven and with maybe the
death of her dad and her andthe rabbit and her revisiting
that place.
Yeah, just brought everythingout.
Yeah, because also I don't knowif this comes later either.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Later on we find out in the home that they are
currently visiting there'spictures and pictures of her and
her sister and her and thefamily and later on they're all
smashed yeah, well, first,before they were smashed, didn't
she put them all away and shetook them all and she yeah, she
put them like in a box and likethe next day they're all back up
after sarah starts talkingabout the whole like hiding all

(31:40):
day and being not found orwhatever, sarah notices that on
one of the pictures that were up, her face was scribbled.
Her face was scribbled out,yeah.
So she was like, oh shit, likewhen did that happen?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I got a quick side story.
Yes, go speaking of facesscribbled out.
So when I was in preschool Ihad this little portrait and it
was.
They had lined all of us likesitting um on a on stone
staircase and I brought mylittle, my little stuffy, and I
remember, like I would alwaysshow this, my preschool picture,
you know, and at five and atsix, and I started remembering
Miss Mary, she was so mean to meand I don't know why the

(32:13):
teacher, the main teacher.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, her name was.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Miss Mary.
And then I took it upon myselfto take a pen and I scribbled
Miss Mary's face out and Ididn't think anything of it
until my mom.
Later on she was like oh yeah,what?
Happened here what happened toyour picture?
I was like I don't know she'slike did you, did you scribble
miss mary's face?
So I said, yeah, is that?
I didn't know there was thatwas a wrong thing to do, but I

(32:36):
just like I, like, I remember mypicture exactly and then that
told her remind me.
I was like, oh, someone did notlike her, she planned some miss
mary vibes oh my god, when itdid it, but then upon like five
or six is when it came out likeoh, I don't know what happened

(33:00):
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Well, I have another one like that, but mine's worse
because I was older, so like.
So I have my yearbook right andyou know how sometimes you go
through it and like your friendsor whoever oh, I hated that guy
.
You're like yeah, fuck that guy, you just like crossed him out
or this girl was a hoe, you know, whatever.
What's up, righty, tell me, Idon't know.
At some point later in life,like one of these people that

(33:23):
was crossed out, you come acrossthem and you're like a grown up
, an adult or whatever.
You forget about stuff likethat, right, yeah.
And then they see you andthey're like do you have your
yearbook?
Like can I see it?
Because I lost mine.
I want to see whatever.
And then you're like, oh, yeah,yeah.
And you're like looking for it,thank line that I found, like

(33:48):
someone was asking me, and I go,you know what, I'll screenshot.
I don't know what I said, right, I'm looking, and I found this
person, though, and I'm like, oh, my god, and this is something
like ho, like I don't know.
That person was crossed out andthere was like names under it.
I'm like, oh, I'm like oh, so Ihad to like lie and say like,
oh, no, I don't have it.
Like I can't find it right now.
I'm like, oh, my god, like Ican't even like damn.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I can't remember when he was a hoe yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So it makes me think like damn, like there's certain
people have to go through thislike who could never see this,
because then they're gonna belike why did you cross me out of
my hole?
I'll be like it wasn't me withmy friend, that is so funny yeah
, so see, but that's even worsebecause you're already like a
grown like you should knowbetter.
Right, well, right, well, youshould know better.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
We're still in high school.
What did they call it in thatbook?
Immature, we're immature.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Remember that movie, burn book, the movie from Mean
Girls.
No.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Yeah, mean Girls yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That one.
That's worse.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Oh, thank God it wasn't that bad comes up, first
of all she leaves her daughterby herself, like you know.
That's kind of weird.
And then obviously she comeshome and mia's gone.
She's missing.
So she's like mia mia, so werun along with her.
She looks into all these placesweird I have to tell you at this
point something really stuckout to me and nothing has really

(34:56):
stuck out to me like thisbefore and I've seen so many
like different horror movies andthrillers and stuff like that.
But did you notice like themusic played such a big role in
this movie like I swear to god,re-watch it you guys, I'm gonna
have to re-watch it now becauseI don't know, the music was so
scary in every scene, everyscene had its own music to
accommodate it and it just madeit scary and I've never noticed

(35:18):
that.
I was like this is some goodscary music.
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm gonna have to rewatch it to the music you know
what?
Normally I do notice stuff likethat, but I think I was really
into like whatever was happening, everything just fit the scene,
perfect.
I don't know who was in chargeof that, but kudos to that,
because that really stuck out onme and I never like I never
make note of those types ofthings like oh the music was
great, like the score wasamazing, you know but this one,

(35:42):
it was really good, let's seecomposed and performed by sarah
hopkins, cello chi or cello chai, I don't know how to say that
sarah hopkins, so at least wehave that name.
That came up, so we're givingyou all the credit.
So, yeah, I'm going to, um,definitely re-watch this and I'm
gonna pay attention.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I remember even all the way at the beginning, before
shit started going south andbefore she started like kind of
coming into alice, there was ascene and they were sitting out,
she was talking to her daughterand it was like windy.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It was really ominous , yeah, like even that I was
like, oh, like that's good, itwas really yeah, they had a lot
of wind, yeah, throughout, evenon her birthday I do remember
that it was like really likeexcessive windiness.
So I think that night after theguess who thing, that's when she
first takes down all the photos, right, she takes all the
photos and puts them in a boxand she takes them to a barn

(36:32):
that's behind them and she hearsthis is the first time that we
see this but she hearswhimpering in the dark right in
in another.
So there was like she went whenshe put them in the barn.
There was whimpering, but theydon't really address that like
at that time.
But that she, that's the firsttime, because then later we hear
it again.
She opens or she goes there andthen she hears somebody say
guess who?
But then it cuts.

(36:53):
We don't see, yes, and then,yeah, like we don't see what
happens, like what was thereaction?
Like did sarah have a reactionto it?
Was she dreaming?
Like we did not?
Like it just cut to the nextscene, yeah, it just stopped.
But you hear someone say guesswho?
So it's kind of weird, like didshe get haunted at that moment
or what you know.
So after that in the morning,that's when Sarah leaves to go

(37:14):
talk to Joan and leaves me inthe house by herself asleep, so
she goes in to tell her thatshe's selling the house.
Joan wants to still live therebecause alice might come back,
and sarah starts freaking outtelling her she's never coming
back, like you're wasting yourlife waiting for her or
something.
Don't snap back saying thatshe's a nasty little thing and
that she should never havetrusted, leaving her with.
So that's what we're like.

(37:35):
What I mean?
That's what when you're likeholding on to her.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
She was like she shouldn't have trusted, leaving
her with you and then sarahstorms out.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So that tells us wait , sarah was in charge of of her
little sister so that already islike oh, the plot thickens.
Like our fears have beenconfirmed.
So when sarah comes back, allthe photos are back on the wall.
She can't find mia.
She's looking outside for her.
Then all of a sudden miastartles her and says found you?
You know?
Weird, also like scares herbefore mia says found you.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
She was running around and looking for mia,
right and right outside andrunning and running and then she
stumbles.
And as she stumbles, she'slooking and there's, like this
burrow, remember the burrow?

Speaker 2 (38:18):
all those sticks and it went on forever.
Yeah, that I was wondering thewhole time, like what animal
builds that?

Speaker 3 (38:27):
and not only that, I was like because, with all of
this stuff going on, with thesupernatural, like mia coming, I
was like, is this a portal ofsome sort, like you know?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
and I was like, oh, like maybe the rabbit comes in
and out of there or somethinglike yeah, I thought that too,
but I'm like that shit is waytoo big for a rabbit.
Rabbit didn't build that shit.
Yeah, like what is a beaver?

Speaker 3 (38:42):
but but this is where she's looking into it and she's
noticing it goes further andfurther yeah is when you start
hearing, like this, growling.
And that's the growling it'slike a weird noise breathing and
that it's like again, like the,the soundtrack to this, I mean
because it was like oh that wasreally creepy.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, that was a really creepy scene.
When she's like.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
That's when mia was like ah, you know, but yeah, it
was really interesting because,yeah, it was made up of sticks.
So what animal does make that?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
up.
Yeah, that was like a strangelittle house.
It reminded me of narnia withthe beavers.
Okay.
So sarah tells them, okay,we're leaving, we're gonna pack
up everything, but like no, thatthat was her home.
So that's like a whole otherlittle freak out.
She had right.
But again the mom just kind oflets her be, like, say whatever
she wants to say and doesn'taddress anything.

(39:33):
So this time they go to sleepon the same bed.
But then when Sarah wakes uphearing Mia screaming in the
other room which I guess at somepoint she woke up and went back
to alice's room so she thinksshe sees her bleeding from her
forehead, or like cranium, yes,and she starts like oh my god,
what's wrong with you?
And she's like trying to lookat her head.
But mia's kind of like freakedout, like what are you doing?

(39:55):
Like trying to like fight heroff, like she's really she's
always fighting her mom off,like she's like like damn, kind
of fighting her mom all the time.
So I don't know why she justthinks it's a great idea to go
get scissors, like I'm likereally you need to cut her hair
off to look at her to see whatshe's bleeding.
That was dumb.
But anyway, she goes and getsscissors and then somehow, like
you already know, the nextthing's going to happen.

(40:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Because the little girl's like frantically trying
to fight off her mom, her mom'slike stay still.
I just with some scissorspointing at her like a dumbass,
literally has scissors at herdaughter's head, yeah, trying to
cut her hair.
With this little girl'sflailing, her arms are flailing
everywhere, yeah, so obviouslyobviously she stabbed her in the
head.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, obviously.
I mean it wasn't like a stabstab, but she definitely cuts
her like, nicks her on herforehead.
Okay, so then the lights go on.
Why did she turn on the lightsfirst?
Like good dummy again.
Okay, she turns it off after.
Then she sees a nick on herforehead now and like is really,
really really bleeding now yeah, and then she realizes that the
part that she thought wasbleeding isn't so like that

(40:55):
whole thing.
She imagined it, yeah, and sheonly like cut her.
And then mia's like looking ather, like sarah goes outside and
then mia sleeps it's daytime, Idon't know like she's still
sleeping.
She goes um because the barndoor is slamming over and over,
and it's like banging right andit sounds really loud yes, not
normal loud.
so she goes to see what thehell's going on.
Um, you would think it's notscary because it's daytime, but

(41:16):
it's so scary, um.
So she goes in and here's ascene where she hears crying and
whimpering again.
Do you remember the second time?
Okay, so she slowly unlocks thedoor.
Alice jumps out and this isactually Alice.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yes, so the little girl in the picture?
Yeah, the little girl?
It's the little girl, but it'sher sister.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
It's her sister, alice, that literally comes out,
okay, and she pushes her to theground, yeah, and then I think
that's basically a recreation ofwhat actually happened in real
life to her when she was a child.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yes, alice was choking adult.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Sarah, yes, and it was because she locked her in.
Yes, she was really angry, shewas choking her.
And what does she do?

Speaker 3 (41:53):
she goes and she grabs one of the like traps that
they had there, like a metalthing and, I guess, hits her on
the head, on the cranium, rightwhere, right where Mia was,
where she had saw the bloodcoming out of Mia, which wasn't
really there the night before,like, yeah, where she had the
illusion.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
It was exactly there.
So she hits her on the head andthen she suddenly sees Mia
outside the doorway.
Sarah's just chasing her andchasing her all the way inside
the house, screaming Alice.
So at this point she's chasingmia, but she's screaming alice,
as if she's alice.
She goes in alice's room, shelocks the door, all the photos
that were on the wall are fallenand broken.
Sarah plans her body into thedoor to open it, but I guess she

(42:31):
was unsuccessful and likeknocked herself out.
So she fell on the floor andthen she wakes up, and this is
where we see the story unfold.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
What really happened where sarah's a child holding
the trap, chasing Alice outsideReverts back to the barn, and
now they're both children andthat whole scene plays out again
.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And then they keep showing Sarah, and they keep
showing her like child, and thenthey show her as an adult,
child and adult.
So basically I don't know.
So she's like remembering thatwe know, as a viewer, that she's
like reliving this or maybeacting it out again.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
The real story of what happened was she did get
locked in the barn.
The sister really did get angry.
She really did hit her.
We are knowing, as a viewer,that this is really what
happened.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So while she's passed out, she's either dreaming or
just showing us, the viewer,what actually occurred.
Yeah, so then?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
she's running and chasing after her little sister
who's running away from her.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
And she's still holding the trap Because she's
clearly distraught.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
You know, her big sister just hit her in the head
with the trap and she's chasingher.
Alice, come back.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Come back, and the only reason she stopped is
because she couldn't run nofurther, because she was at the
edge of a cliff.
A little mini cliff, like aridge or something.
So she slowly tries to turnaround and face her.
Her eye is like bloodshot.
She has that cut and then shetouches her head and that's when
she looks at all the blood yeah, she realizes she's hurt and
then she screams yeah, and she'slike scared, now curling scream

(43:55):
, because at first she was justscared, but I think, once the
realization is like oh my god,I'm bleeding, like my sister
hurt me yeah, so she's scared.
So sarah her reaction I mean,we have to put ourselves like in
the shoes of a child, likeyou're just like oh fuck, what
did I do?
I'm gonna get in trouble likeshe, like I'm chasing her, but
right now like she's about toget me in trouble because she's

(44:17):
screaming yes, and she'sbleeding and I have it in my
hand.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
It's a little trap in my hand.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
So was it like an impulse that she suddenly pushes
her like super hard and shefalls backwards off the cliff,
or did she?

Speaker 3 (44:29):
do it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Or did she say you know what F you little sister?
Yeah, I ain't getting introuble, Die, I mean yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, like we will never know.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
We know really what happens now, now, and it seems
almost like again, like sarahmay have just blocked it out,
like she maybe had suppressedthat memory.
Oh yeah, and all of a sudden,while it's happening, it's back
in her head you know, I reallythink so, with with like again.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yeah, her daughter being the same age, her father
dying and them coming back tothe house, that all had to bring
and they kind of explained,because you know all the time
that we were like, oh yeah, shemoved with the dad to the city.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
It never explained why she moved with her dad, but
it was probably because her mom,she couldn't handle it.
The dad probably was like,right, what do I do?
I can't leave her here.
You know, whatever he took heraway.
Maybe he knew, because rememberthere was a part earlier in the
movie they showed like a littleclip of him like he's asking
sarah, where's your sister?
Or where's alice, and like theydon't show what she answers.

(45:23):
Remember she says like, oh, Itold him that she ran away, yeah
, or I told him that she wasmissing so like obviously like
did the dad know she didsomething, or did he just
believe her and maybe he thoughthe'd take her away?
I mean, who knows, there's a lotof little things that are left
for two interpretations right,but I don't like that all the
time.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I don't like that all the time.
Sometimes I know, like likethat all the time.
Sometimes I need to know, likeI want to know, I know.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
That's like I hate being inconclusive sometimes.
So now we see Sarah.
We see her like lying on thefloor inside the home, but she's
like in a like out of itTransed out yeah.
She's like in a daze.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
With a black crayon making, looking at what she's
coloring and she's going overand over and over again and now
that tells us it's obviously thesame type of coloring, the same
type of pattern that we hadseen in mia's art, that was on
the back of her real art, yes,so now we're like holy shit.
No, it was sarah who was doingthat.
So I think that is when welearned that this has been a
Sarah thing this whole time.
I don't know that Alice reallycame into Mia.

(46:26):
I think Sarah now was reallylike, because she suppressed it
so much, I really think that shewas bringing it back up herself
.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yes, but at the same time, we can't ignore the fact
that, when it looks like she wasactually saying that she was
Alice, like a lot of times, youknow, and maybe she did- so
maybe it was a combination heard.
But what about like hertantrums inside the um, like
with the mom, with joan andstuff, like were those things
like imagined?
No, I feel like that reallyhappened.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
It manifested when she turned seven, so maybe like
that was the and I really thinkthe death of her dad, yeah, and
I think like maybe that mighthave been her safe place, and
now her safe place is gone, shehad to deal with what she did so
maybe the guilt brought allthat, yeah, yeah yeah, so anyway
.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
So like um.
So she's not sad of it becausepete arrives and he's banging
the door right, mia, she'smissing.
They both search for herbecause she's not inside the
house.
They're running outside.
Sarah, destroyed, jumps intothe lake because she thinks, she
thinks that she's in the lakeright, so she jumps in there
trying to find her well, we seea body we just see a body down
there when she's down there.
But there wasn't really a no, itcan't be like it would have

(47:32):
been decomposed.
Yeah, so it was in her mind,like she sees something down
there but then p drags her out.
When they come out they see miain that, that little burrow,
the little portal burrow.
Don't know if it's a portal,but it could be.
For whatever reason, she alsofound it and was in there.
That was like she was trying tobe like a safe place for her,
like her little safe place.
Okay, good, they found her.
But then next thing, you know,like it just kind of like skips

(47:58):
and it see sarah back with joan,like she goes.
It is at night and she goes inthere looking all like she just
came out the lake yeah, she goesthe same place.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
She went into the lake with, yeah, she went to see
joan within her all day and Iwas like that's weird yeah, she
looked all full of mud, but drymud, right.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
She looked all raggedy and dirty and um, she
goes to the place and then sarahtells joan that alice is dead,
but she's like half asleep.
So it's like not, she's notreally like yeah, but she even
out of it.
She tells her oh no, no, no,she's not.
I don't think that's true.
I don't think that's.
Yeah so it's like okay, well, Igot interrupted because a person
that worked there came out andtold her she can't be there.
So Sarah goes home, I guess,finds Mia asleep in Alice's room

(48:34):
.
This part really pissed me off.
I was like out like he didn'teven wake up, like a like a real
dad, but never okay.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, he, he was there when she got up I see his
body and I'm like okay, he'sasleep right there.
He was on to the right then ofthem, like in a roll away, like
okay, caught, so like reallyheavy sleeper so the weird part
is that I don't know if younotice this like you know how
she is asleep.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Okay, she's asleep in alice's room and she falls
asleep in there too it was sarahand mia snuggled.
She's like hugging her.
She has her kind of like almostspooned right, yeah, okay, so
then mia leaves, but did younotice how she left?
Like she was holding, she waslike hugging her, but it looked
like she just like slid.
She didn't look, oh, like I wasthinking how could she slide

(49:18):
out?
Like how did she maneuver herbody to slide?
Because she wasn wasn't usingher arms and she didn't wake up
right away.
You mean?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
No, yeah, so it makes me feel like something pulled
her, do you remember that partVaguely but I do remember like
her sliding out and like ittaking a mom a while to wake up
yes, to notice that she's gone.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, she didn't wake the whole bed so we don't know
anything.
It was like from their waist.
But I just see her like slidingdown like this and I'm like
just trying to get out withoutmoving her mom, but I'm like she
can't move out like that.
Like it almost felt like orlooked like someone's litter.
But that's the thing about thismovie, because they do subtle
things that we gotta just figureit out.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
If we get out of bed like we're putting our elbows
down, we're like, oh yeah we'relike moving our body from one
like shifting our weight.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
But she's like like she was like liquid and I'm like
that's interesting.
The hell, that was weird point,so so that part is notable.
Like, okay, who the fuckbrought her out or something who
slid her out.
But, um, before they fellasleep she was like apologizing
right to her like, oh, sorry,but you know, in the sleep, in
her sleep, when she's likespooning her daughter.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
She apologizes to alice for the bad thing she's
done and it's really interestingbecause rewind where mia was
having all these outbursts andstuff you really see sarah like
okay, like reaching out to herand holding her and in the next
scene they're like coloringtogether or they're talking
together.
Now in this scene you could seeher hand almost kind of shaking

(50:42):
as she's putting it on herdaughter and she apologizes and
she says Alice, and she says I'msorry for you, I'm sorry for
the bad things I have done.
Yes, and then Mia, who at thispoint is Alice, and she says
what did you do?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then she says I hurt you.
Mia says what else?
How did you?

(51:02):
and she's like I told mama youran away.
Why?
Because I didn't want to dealwith the truth she's like.
And then mia says you're amonster for me.
You know we say monster, butyou know I say monster, she was
a monster, but.
And then it just but thendoesn't she repeat it, sarah.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
She says I'm a monster.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yes, but then it's just like dead ends after that
yeah, but it was so weirdbecause it's almost it's like
like she had to say it she saidit, but in the way how she was
consoling as if it really washer sister, as if she really had
to meet with her sister rightnow, who she is right now, to
where her sister was, and it'slike the hesitancy, like, oh,
and even you watch it for the,for the music.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Look at that part like okay, I can feel that I was
like, see, now I gotta watch itpainted to the music, I'm sure
I mean I'm sure like it affected.
You know, I was just like asubconscious you know thing, you
know, when you're watching itoh, then now comes like the real
shit kicker, go, okay.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
So now we see sarah come to the window and she looks
out and she.
Now we see two little girlsit's mia and it's alice, her
daughter and her sister walkinghand in hand and they're walking
towards the same spot wheresarah pushed alice off and
sarah's like banging on thewindow and you could see her
shaking her head and we'rethinking she's saying no, no,

(52:21):
hey, come back, yeah.
And then all of a sudden, theystop, they look back at her and
it was Alice that looks back ather and she gives her like this
evil smirk.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Because first Mia turned and then when Alice
turned.
Yeah, it was like this evilsmirk she smirked, but like I do
not, forgive you yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Type of smile.
This is wild.
And then so they walk off.
Now, that's where the movieends.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I know, and you're like, what happened.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Did Alice really come and take her out of revenge?
Like you took me, I'm going totake your daughter.
And you know, when little kidsdo see spirits and stuff,
they're friends.
They don't see the bad.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Especially they're the same age, right, so it could
have easily had been that andlike, and then wasn't the rabbit
right there in the doorwayagain?
I don't know, but that damnrabbit is everywhere.
I'm like, what does the rabbitmean?

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Yeah, it's supposed to be back in the habit, so yeah
, so it was.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
That's where, like In my head I'm like why?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
yeah, like what she did, like if she's trapped you
can't get out too.
I know, unless you know, it waslike a psychological trapment
and it's just her.
Does she have to live with thisforever, like I?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
don't know.
Yeah, like was it a dream wasit real, you could look at with
this um, yeah, that's what I'msaying but definitely ambiguity,
was like big time storing thetrauma, though yeah, definitely
trauma, I mean, and things thatgail, like everything that comes
along with it.
It's crazy Because, as a grownup, like, let's say, you unearth
these suppressed memories.
How do you deal with them in agrown up way, knowing?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
okay, now I know that I'm a grown up and I know
better.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
How did I do that to my sister?
There's no coming back fromthat.
That's like you know.
It's final.
Like I said, like you, like,yeah, let's say you put yourself
in the shoes, like I was sayingyou're old or no?
She was older.
How old was she, did they say?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
I think she was at least like three or four years
older.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah.
So even then you're still achild, like obviously she wasn't
thinking ahead, like it waslike a impulse thing.
So it's kind of like do youthink back and you forgive your
10 year old self for somethingthat you wouldn't know, now that
you know better, would never do, or do you, can you forgive
yourself?
Because you feel like how couldI still have done it?

(54:30):
Who cares how old I was?
It reminds me of other movies,but see the other movies I'm
thinking about.
The kids are evil, so like theydid shit on purpose.
But like things happen and Ithink, like kids I have seen,
like in real life kids do thingsto other kids, not as drastic,
but things that could have beendrastic.
But then obviously it's becausethey don't know better.
But you know that they're notreally bad kids.
They're just like acting onimpulse because of their

(54:51):
immaturity and they don'trealize this could have happened
.
You know, like you kill yourbrother, you kill your sister.
Don't be doing that.
You know that kind of stuff,like a kid gets mad and throws
somebody down the stairs yeahsomething weird, you know.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
It takes a chair and throws it across your classroom
exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
You never know where it's gonna land.
Oh my god, perfect example.
So it's like you know what I'msaying.
Yeah, like, how, like I don'tknow.
I mean, it's so different thanif it would be a grown-up
pushing somebody off the cliff,but still, you know your
consequences.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
You're an adult, you know.
Like you said before, she wasscared, she didn't know she was
gonna get in trouble, especiallyif nobody knows about this.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, let me get rid of the evidence.
So yeah, it's crazy.
So at the end we're kind ofleft like so many questions like
yeah, I mean, but there's a lotof interpretation that could be
, drawn from it and I like itall.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I like all the aspects of it.
I like I could see where itcould be just herself dealing
with her inner self.
I could see where it could belike a supernatural aspect.
Or maybe she was, yeah, tryingto get her from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Maybe she was possessing her and getting
revenge on her sister I thinkyou said it, that you don't
necessarily like too much likeup in there, but I think in this
movie it was good.
I think that it kind of ummakes you think I do like movies
that make me think, like, makemy own, like determinations and
like.
Okay, this is what I conclude,you know.
But at the same time it can befrustrating.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
You want an answer.
The last time I felt like thiswas like Archive 81.
I was like what happened?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Wait what you know, because I just remember like the
ending.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
And then the show never got renewed and I never
got to learn.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yes, you never went out.
Go down that rabbit hole,literally run rabbit hole, and
it's always crazy how, like youknow how there's like other
movies where you see like thesingle mom just struggling with
this child.
That's like tripping out.
Let me see what other mothersdo that, like the Babadook and
even like Sixth Sense or likethe Ring, you know like their

(56:46):
kids are like being all weirdand like, but it's like a single
mom that has to just deal withit?

Speaker 3 (56:49):
yes, also, there's that new one.
What is it called um?
That's on netflix, um elizabeth, her daughter, who's a single
mom, and she has three kids, andthey start acting up.
Deliverance is what it's called, and, again, single mom oh, yes
, I remember this.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, single mom, I always feel like, oh, no support
, I know what that's like, I'mjust kidding, no, but I mean
people's kind of there.
But he was more like and hiswhole little like he didn't
really in all.
Did you like this movie?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I liked it, I liked it a lot.
I liked it a lot, I liked it I.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
The psychological and I am down to watch it again for
the soundtrack, because I hadseen this when it first came out
.
So I was like, yeah.
Like when you said, oh, run,run, run, I'm like, yeah, let's
review that one Because I didlike it.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I don't know where I was when this came out, because
I don't even I think, I just sawit on.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
This is great, yeah, so everybody, if you guys want
to see it.
It's on Netflix currently, sogo watch it if you haven't
already watched it.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Run, rabbit, run Any more, to add.
I would like to hear everyoneelse's thoughts.
And on what exactly?
What do you guys think happenedat the end?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, because, like we said, it could be.
It's open for interpretation.
Do you guys think that she waspossessed?
Do you think it was just a momgoing psychosis?
Do you guys think that therabbit was like a magical being
that opened up a vortex and whatdo?

Speaker 3 (58:15):
you think the rabbit symbolized?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
was it a spirit of the girl?
Was it just because she calledher little rabbit?
Was it what?
What is it?
Yes, was it just because theother sister's name was alex?
So many, so many possibilities.
Well, thank you, jesse, forbeing my co-host.
Yeah, this was so fun.
Thank you for having me.
We will have her back againright now.

(58:38):
My normal co-host, laura, she'sin cancun.
Little brad, my normal co-host,laura, she's in Cancun little
brat, but thanks for Jesse yeahfor sure.
So thanks, jesse, for filling in.
Well, now we're going to go tothe segment where we give a
scary true story, so stay tuned,okay, everyone.

(59:12):
So we're about to start ourscary story segment, but before
we do, I wanted to welcome backlaura.
Uh, she was off, living herbest life in cancun.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Welcome back hello everyone, I'm back, so how was
your trip?
It was amazing.
I think we need a whole episodejust on vacation, so I could
explain everything that I did.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yeah, I think that's a good idea, all right.
Well, she wasn't here whenJessie gave us her spooky story,
but we're about to hear it now.
So let's get to it.
Now we're going to hear fromJessica, which, of course,
helped me review for Run Run RunRun, but now she's going to
tell us a story that actuallyhappened to her and, as you know
, we have had other people speakon sleep paralysis, so this is

(59:50):
in the same realm, so we'regoing to talk about her
experience now.
So, jesse, whenever you'reready, go ahead and start
telling us.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Okay.
So I have had these things kindof happen to me, but I didn't
know how to explain it.
And then I started kind oflearning more about sleep
paralysis and I found out oh mygosh, this sounds like sleep
paralysis, but it wasn't untilthe last episode that I had that
really pushed me to find outwhat was going on, because it
was absolutely terrifying, andthis was maybe a month and a

(01:00:18):
half ago Okay, so that's recent.
I was, you know, obviously, inmy bed laying on my back.
When this has happened in thepast, it always starts by me
getting a tingling feeling allthe way from my toes all the way
to my fingertips, and it'salways on the left hand side of
my body.
And I don't understand why andI was telling Esme prior to this
that I thought it might havehad something to do with me

(01:00:40):
drinking a lot and then when Istopped drinking, it still
happened.
So then I was concerned like,oh my gosh, is this a health
issue now?
So back to the last episode,the most recent episode.
I was laying down and thatnormal feeling that I have the
tingling started coming in, butthen all of a sudden it just
like exploded and it just like,like, took me to another level.

(01:01:02):
It all of a sudden it was mywhole entire body and my whole
entire body was tingling.
It was so heavy and it was sohard that I couldn't control
anything and I could almost likefeel.
It felt like my hands were likelike gripping onto the air and
I got so frightened that Iliterally thought I was going to
die.
And I really thought like this,this is happening, this is how

(01:01:23):
I die, and I got so terriblyfrightened.
But I just got to a point whereI don't want to be that scared.
I didn't like this feeling andif it's my time, it's my time,
so I just let go and any type offighting that I was doing, I
just finally let it go.
And I just was like, okay, thisis how I go.
And in that moment I feltsomebody touch my hand and like

(01:01:44):
not grabbing it, not pulling it,but more caressing up and down
my hand.
And then, just by the touch, Iknew right away that it was my
mom and I knew it was her.
And all of a sudden that fearwas kind of met with like so me
thinking I'm dying.
I wasn't sure if that was herlike leading me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I'm not trying to interrupt you, but tell our
listeners about your mom.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So the reason why this sticks out is because my
mother has passed away.
It'll be five years coming upin this February, february 28th,
and she has come down anddefinitely shown me signs that
she is still around.
That's what I found reallyintriguing about this last
episode is because, on asituation where I really thought
I was going to die, it was metwith my mom.

(01:02:32):
Now, again, I wasn't sure if itwas her helping me cross over.
Was she really trying to warnme about something?
Maybe I really do have a healthissue or was she really just
happened to be coming across andseeing I was in really bad
distress Because, like I said,like when you think you're going
to die, like it's a, it's afeeling that is unexplainable,

(01:02:53):
like like the hope and the fearthat just gets crushed and lost.
And then, so I don't know if itwas just her really calming me
down, but she was just caressingmy hand and just telling me
it's okay, it's okay.
And then I was like so youheard her voice, I heard her
voice and she was saying it'sokay, it's okay.
And again she was taking, shewas rubbing my left arm to like
up and down, like for my handsto like where my wrist and I was

(01:03:16):
just so like over.
At that point too, I'moverwhelmed now because now
there's a mom factor in it andwith my mom I feel so much
closer to her and her death,even more so than what I felt
like in my lifetime with her,which is really an odd thing.
But I remember one time I wastalking to my sister and I was
like can't you feel her love?
I can feel her love so hard.
Not that I didn't think sheloved us or whatever when she

(01:03:38):
was here, but it was just Icould feel it so strong like in
in her afterlife.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I feel like, um, you know, when we're here in the
present, there's so many otherdistractions.
You know life in general?
I mean, she had her love, youhad your life and everything,
yeah.
But see, like now that she's ina different place, it probably
just changes the dynamic andit's something that you, that's
true and connection with her.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
like you know, the feeling could be altered,
especially in your time of need,and that's why I was so
stressed out the next day when,when everything was said and
done and there's so much more tothis story, so I'm gonna go
back and tell you.
But but the next day I was sostressed out Cause I was like,
what did that mean?
Was that?
What part of it was real, whatpart of it wasn't?
And me not knowing.
I was like, oh, did she reallycome?

(01:04:21):
Did I really feel her?
Was it a dream?
I don't think so, because itfelt like instantaneously.
When she touched me, I was likelike it was met with calm, like
when she's telling me it'sgonna be right.
I knew it was gonna be allright whether I was gonna be
alive or dead, because it wasgonna be all right in the
afterlife, it's gonna be rightin the present life.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
So you didn't get your answer of that.
All you knew is that, whateverit was, it was going to be all
right.
Yes, so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
But another thing is after I have these episodes, I
think I fall back to sleep, ormy whole body catches up with
each other and we just fall backto bed and it's usually met
with a nightmare.
Now this nightmare was so crazyand was so intense and again so
real, but all of a sudden, thenext thing I remember was I wake

(01:05:05):
up from my sleep, paralysis Inyour dream or real?
This is in my dream.
This is still part of, like somepeople they call it fever
dreams because they're like socrazy and when you get a really
really high fever you get reallybad nightmares, so they call
them fever dreams.
So this is my fever dream rightafter my sleep paralysis and my
fever dream.
I dreamed that I just woke upfrom my sleep paralysis.
That's how all my fever dreamsstart, like I wake up from my

(01:05:27):
sleep paralysis, but I'm stillnow.
This is my dream Because, likeI say, I always dream right
after I have sleep paralysis, socan't move.
So I somehow am able to flingmy body from my bed to the floor
and somehow wiggle not crawl,but wiggle my way to my
roommate's room, who is rightacross the way, and since I
can't move, I take my head and Iknock my head on his door.

(01:05:50):
Oh, my God and his door opens,only to be revealed there's
nobody in there.
So I'm like fuck because I needhelp.
I can't move.
There's nobody in there.
So I'm like fuck because I needhelp, I can't move.
And so I squirm my way to theliving room, right here, right
here to the living room, and myother roommate is downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
And there's no way I can get downstairs.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
So then I take my head and I knock it on
downstairs and hopefully, inhopes that he'll be like what
the fuck's going on, are youokay?
And he doesn't do it, and so Ifling myself down the stairs and
I just fall down the stairs.
Luckily, at this point I didn'tfeel the pain.
There was no pain, thankgoodness your dream job was
painful.
My adrenaline is so going.

(01:06:33):
We're on survival, on survivalmode.
So I get to my roommate's roomdownstairs, matt, and then he
just happens to open his doorand I look at him and I fall
right into him and he's like Iwas like help, help, and I still
can't move and somehow he'sable to get me to his, to his

(01:06:53):
room, his bed, and and then allof a sudden, like he's kind of
like, are you okay?
And I was like I need help, Ineed help, and I couldn't really
tell him what was going on andeven in this part I just I
didn't know what to do and Ididn't know what was going on
with my body and I didn't knowlike, am I dead?
Is this going on?
Like because even that fear ofstill being gone and you know

(01:07:14):
whether it was real or not likethat fear was still kind of that
.
That was still.
You were still present, yeah,in my nightmare, and, holy shit,
if that wasn't the craziestshit I've ever experienced, you
know.
So then, when you woke up, what?
So then, when I woke up, I wokeup in the morning, okay, and I
was like what the fuck?
It took me forever to get outof bed and to get ready.

(01:07:36):
Usually I wake up, I scroll onmy phone, but I was like what
the fuck happened last night?
Did mom come?
Was my mom really here?
That was really the main thingon your mind, on my mind,
because I was like, and if shewas, what was her purpose?
Was it to get me through it?
Was it to warn me, or was itwas I really dying and she just
brought me back?
I don't know.
Like you're not ready, yeah,just push me on the cliff, like

(01:07:57):
like run, run, run oh my god goback.
I got more to do, no, but so itwent from something super
startling to something justreally emotional and really just
trying to work through thecomponents of that the mom
component and and the fearcomponent of what happened and
was I like, why did it take overmy whole body?
Why was it so strong?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I mean, to this day I don't know I've never felt
anything like that thing to me,just because I, because I've
experienced them, I've never hadjust partial, yeah, but you've
had partial, partial, partial upuntil this time and it was full
blown and it was like fullthrottle.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Yes, yes, there was no turning back.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
And every single time , like I mentioned to you, every
single time, it's the timesthat I have slept on my back.
Do I still sleep on my back?
No, all my life I slept on myback, all my life.
But then, when I realized thatit would only happen, at that
time, I stopped yeah, and tothis day I don't no more.
Isn't that weird?

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
See, my body is so old that I have to sleep on my
back.
Because I sleep on my right,I'm like okay, switch.
And I sleep on my left, I'mlike all right, we have no more
Now.
We have no choice.
I can't sleep on my frontbecause the babies are too big.
I won't even.
Oh my God, so I have to sleepon my back, and that is exactly
what happens.
It's never happened on anyother part of it's always when I
sleep on my back.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And that's not the first time I've heard that Isn't
that kind of weird, yeah thatis really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
I want to know what, what it is and what happened and
why.
And it's so funny because I wastelling my coworker cause it
was so fresh in my mind.
We went walking the next dayand I was like, oh God it was

(01:09:42):
house.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Like I want my mom to leave, like if my mom's still
hanging out.
Like no, I don't have a manager.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
That was not an option I'm not concerned with
anything going on with the home,you know, because it's so I'm
gonna say this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
When was it?
In one of our episodes, I wastalking to someone and we were
discussing how, yeah, there'stimes, one time, that I was like
I woke up, and that wasn't not.
That was not a sleep paralysis,and usually I'm a.
I sleep through the night forwhatever freaking reason woke up
because I had this really uglysensation and not like physical,
like I was scared more thanI've ever felt like in my whole

(01:10:15):
life.
It was like fear of what that'sthe question mark.
But I felt scared to the pointthat I felt like I did not want
to open my eyes, afraid to open,and I could hear this weird
noise.
Not like what I mentioned toyou.
I always hear a weird noise.
Also, with sleep paralysis,this was different.
It felt almost like electric,static, some some weird
frequency, like a weird noise,but I felt so scared like I felt

(01:10:39):
literally like someone wasthere.
I felt like you know, like,let's say, you're sleeping and
someone's standing.
Yeah, I felt like someone wasthere, but I was so scared I
didn't want to open my eyes orturn around, I feel.
I felt like I couldn't move ifI wanted to, but I didn't even
try it, but I felt like hell.
No, if I open my eyes, I'mgonna see something I don't want
to see.
Yes, and I was scared, like tothe point that I was on the

(01:11:00):
verge of shivering scared forfear not cold, of being scared
and I'm like and I've nevershivered out of fear it lasted
like a good while and then atsome point it went away and I
fell asleep.
But the next day I rememberedit was fresh in my mind, like
that was the one time thing yeah, I didn't really have things
happen in my home that I feltlike oh, like I'm haunted or

(01:11:20):
something it was never like that, but it was brought to my
attention which, yeah, commonsense there's spirits everywhere
, there's entities everywhere,there's different kinds or
whatever so like.
So I was talking about that withsomeone and that person was
telling me at any given momentthere could be one just passing
through that decides to feed offof your energy if you happen to
be there, and that's what?

(01:11:41):
And I'm like dude, you know,you, you hear things.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Because when I have had that happen before, the way
how I explain it to people, it'slike as if something not human
was touching me, like you hear,like aliens come down and they
probe you and stuff.
I was like as if I got probedlike, and I've also felt that
fear or that something's thereand I don't open my eyes because
I don't want that thing to knowthat.
I know that it's here and it'sjust best that it thinks that

(01:12:05):
I'm asleep and I just like, I'mjust like, exactly, I'm shaking,
but I don't know.
But you could feel your body,like you could feel your whole
body start to change and I feltlike my heartbeat, like I was
afraid you know it was like yourwhole rhythm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
So I mean that's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I do think that sometimes, especially if it's
not frequent, like sleepparalysis, I do feel like those
things go hand in hand, but like, sometimes people see them,
sometimes you don't, but theyjust like feed off of you, and
sometimes some people are moreaccessible than others.
Yeah, I mean, I was very young,I was like between 15 and 19.
Like it happened, like here andthere there's some people that,

(01:12:40):
oh, I get them all the time.
And there's some people thatare like, oh, I've gotten it
once, but yeah, I just feel likeyou never know, there's things
passing through, you know otherdimensional shit that we just
that we don't even know about.
Yeah, and sometimes they'relike, oh, I'm hungry.
Let me with this where it'salways gonna be at dark.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
I know when it's dark at night.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
I think that's what it is, because that's when our
bodies are like regenerating andwe're like just there, like
still, you know yeah that wassomething I don't want to go
like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
I don't want to believe that that was.
I mean, even the struggle justto get somebody to help me was
just awful.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
I so helpless doesn't make you feel like let's say
one day mean, is that what myplan is?
Like I already.
I'm going to be using my headlike.
Spyro, oh my God, you're goingto the trial run already, that's
what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I'm going to pull this string with my, with my,
with my teeth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
I think you, you know what, like you know those life
alert things, I think those aregood investments.
Can we just get?
Get one now for, like, anybodythat might need it on the floor
so you could be like, so youcould knock your head on it.
Oh well, thank you, jesse, forsharing that story with our
listeners.
Thank you, thank you all right,so that was jessica's story,

(01:13:51):
everyone.
So, laura, now that you'veheard it, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I think off the bat.
The mom factor that shementions makes it more like.
It brings up more emotions inme, because I do wonder now too,
like if it was truly her mom,what she says, that she
recognizes her touch and hervoice.
It's like what was the purposeof having her in such a negative
experience.
Is it the fact how she saidthat it's like she was there to
comfort her, or was she there to, like, cross her over to death?

(01:14:15):
I don't know.
I think that throws a wholeother twist to the story,
because now it's not so menacing, but at the same time it's also
sadder.
Just because it's her mom, itmakes you think like where our
loved ones are after and like ifthey're still with you at all
times and how you know.
People say that they do staywith you and all that.
It just depends on what youbelieve in.
Um, but I think sleep paralysisin general is always a scary

(01:14:39):
story like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
It's always a scary experience regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
So it's crazy to see that, um, it happened to her and
it ended up turning into likeum a nightmare.
I, I didn't know that.
Actually I didn't know thatafter sleep paralysis, you have
like a fever dream.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah I mean, she says that that's her personal
experience.
I don't think she's alone inthat.
I don't know if everyoneexperiences that necessarily,
because some people, as you know, have sleep paralysis and they
see things during, like whilethey're having it they actually
see a shadow or see some kind ofscary entity or like a evil
looking this or that you know.

(01:15:13):
So some people actually see itduring.
But there are people, asherself, that have had some kind
of dreams and she says that thetimes that she's had it, she's
always had a dream.
So that's that's.
That's interesting, you know,and it's probably like how she
said that the fear stays withher.
So maybe feeling that fear, youknow it stays with you in sleep
.
So you go to sleep and then youhave nightmares.

(01:15:33):
She says that it's always stillincluding sleep paralysis, like
the dream like brings the sleepparalysis experience into it too
, because she couldn't move inher dream either and you know it
was kind of funny, though herdream was funny because she, you
know she was trying to find away to get help and she was
wiggling and throwing herselfdown the down the stairs.
So that's a whole other thing.

(01:15:54):
But I mean, sleep paralysis onits own leaves people with
questions like what, what wasthat?
Was I dreaming, was it real?
Because a lot of people kind oflike when they wake up in the
daytime, like after thishappened, and say it happened at
night, they start questioningwas that a dream?
Maybe I was just dreaming,maybe this, maybe that, or they
want it to be a dream becausethey get scared, but in this
case, a whole other.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
She's trying to find out the riddle Like About the
riddle Like the yeah, like Likewhy did?
Why was her mom there?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Right, like who cares about the sleep paralysis now,
like now she wants to know about, like Maybe she have a health
problem and why she felt her momthere, like the thing with her
mom and her mom's voice and felther mom's touch to comfort her.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I mean, that takes it a whole different direction for
me.
Is it because she was alreadyon the verge of one foot at the
door or what you know?
That's scary and um, sad.
Like you said, I think I dowant to share, like off the bat.
I think if I felt my mom,knowing that she's already dead,
I don't think I would feelcomfort.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
I might get scared I think I feel scared too, like
why are you here?

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
yeah.
So that's like good for athought for our audience, like
how do you see that or how wouldyou feel about something like
that?
Because, like I said,everyone's different, it depends
on what you believe in.
But I would be freaked out likeI would be like you're not
supposed to touch me.
No, more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Yeah, like, does that mean that I'm already with you
somewhere that I'm not supposedto be?
Yeah, you could think about itin so many different ways.
Anyways, well, thank you somuch, jesse, for sharing that
with us, and thank you a lot forcoming back.
We missed you.
But, yeah, we want to telleverybody that if anyone out
there wants to share a story,please send us an email, and you
can find that down in thedescription and um till next

(01:17:29):
time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
All right, bye, thank you.

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