Until Dawn review / Ghost plays peekaboo in broad daylight!

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Laura (00:29):
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and I love summertime for that, because that's when they
start dropping these like scarystories and prepping us for
halloween.
How many months to halloween?

Laura (02:00):
uh let me see, wait, wait , I can't count.
June, july, august, september.
Yeah, june, july, august,september.
I would say four, because onceit's October 1st, it's Halloween
month it's basically Halloween.
Yeah, that's true, but yeahtechnically it's another whole
month before Halloween.
But that's when all like themazes open, the universe studios
knots everything gets scaryHaunted maze.

(02:20):
Yeah, I can't wait for that, Iknow, and today was thundering
and lightning where we are, soit made me feel like we were in
October already.
It made me feel so spooky too.

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listeners that follow usobviously are horror lovers as

(02:51):
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thank
you so much to everyone aroundthe world.
Yes and we'll give a shout out soon.
Today we got a movie to review.
It's called Until Dawn.

(03:12):
Basically, the movie is likethis.
This is the overview One yearafter her sister disappeared,
clover and her friends head tothe remote valley where she
vanished to search for answers,exploring an abandoned visitor
center.
They soon encountered a maskedkiller who murdered them one by
one, and her friends head to theremote valley where she
vanished to search for answers,exploring an abandoned visitor
center.
They soon encountered a maskedkiller who murdered them one by
one.
However, when they mysteriouslywake up in the beginning of the

(03:33):
same night, they're forced torelive terror over and over
again.
I think that's basically likethe overview of, maybe like the
beginning only um, yes, they areterrorized and their day does
start over and over again.
Is that a new concept, laura?

Laura (03:48):
no, it reminds me of happy death day.

Esme (03:49):
And then also there's like old movies from like back in
the days and I always hear thismovie and to this day I haven't
watched it, but that's basicallythe same thing which is
groundhog day.
It's an old movie and peoplealways like talk about how it
starts the day over and over andover.
But it's not a scary movie andI'm embarrassed to say that I
haven't seen it because it'slike okay, then why the hell are
you even mentioning it?

(04:10):
But I'm mentioning it becauseI've heard it mentioned so many
times.
When it comes to those movies,and because it's been mentioned,
I'm trying to think of why wasit mentioned?
Obviously they were describingyet another movie that does that
, and I'm trying to think oftitles, but my mind is drawing a
blank.
I'm sure you guys can listeners.
So it does start over and overagain and, yes, the people in it
, the characters, do getterrorized over and over again

(04:32):
and it is kind of like one ofthose movies that, although it's
horror, it's more like um, howdo you, how would you say it,
laura,

Laura (04:39):
it was really fun

Esme (04:40):
entertaining.
So it's like this is the kindof movie that's like it's
entertaining because you couldkind of guess.
You know there are littletwists and turns that they put
on there, like you know theconcept, like, right going into
it, you already know okay, thisis gonna keep happening.
It's not something that's gonnabe a surprise.
The surprises are the way thatthey die, because each time it's
different.

Laura (05:00):
It's not always the same, it's always like a different
type of theme it reminded me ofan escape room in a way, because
it's like a puzzle after awhile, because they start trying
to get smarter every round.

Esme (05:12):
Okay, and before we continue, I'm going to apologize
ahead of time Because, as youknow, summer's coming.
I mean, we're still spring,it's not summer yet, but we're
getting to the point thatthere's like hot days.
Today was one of them,yesterday was another.
As much as I wish we had asoundproof room to record this,

(05:32):
ignore all the noises that youhear people.

Laura (05:32):
Yeah, we're gonna try our best to edit.

Esme (05:33):
Yes, because we have all the windows open.
I think we mentioned before,but we live fairly close to the
lax airport, so we get a lot ofairplane traffic here and we're
so used to it we don't even hearthem anymore.
But I know you guys do, so Ihave to like edit them out
anyways.
Back to the movie.
So the one thing that I learnedjust by um, things I was
hearing, or whatever, was thatthis was based on a video game

(05:53):
and I kind of knew that ahead oftime.

Laura (05:55):
But I did notice that sony was given.
There was like a lot of timespent on the playstation intro
yeah, and the playstation, theysaid like twice I didn't know.

Esme (06:04):
They produce scary movies or movies so I had heard
something about it but I waslike, okay, I kind of dismissed
it.
Now, anybody that's like agamer that's listening to us,
you're probably gonna hate usbecause you're like, oh, you
guys don't know anything.
No, I've never played the game.
I didn't even know that existed, did you?

Laura (06:19):
no, no, no, I didn't.
I'm telling you.
I just seen the playstation andwas like so they're doing
movies now?
Like that doesn't make sense.
Yeah, so no, I don't know.

Esme (06:27):
Yeah, so, but I also found out and this is also just by
like hearing things that pop out, because you know how your
phones are, like I mentionedbefore they hear you talk about
something and then they startlike telling you stuff.
So I would get all these likelittle like notifications of
things and people that werecomplaining.
The um wendigo that was in it,like they didn't you know they

(06:47):
changed him and whatever, whichI guess is like one of the main
monsters in the game.
But some people were sayingthat, no, that they did like the
way it looked.
That looked more darker and notas bright and unscary as how
the game looks.
I, for one, have not seen howhe looks in the game, I haven't
even looked it up or anythingbut the thing that people didn't
like about it was that theywere saying that it has nothing

(07:09):
to do with the game and thenthat the characters are slightly
different.
The only ones is like the, Iguess
the psychiatrist
yeah, psychiatrist, based on what the people were saying,
these people that actually playthe game, to me it sounds like
it's more of a like choose yourown adventure.
So like if you go into the gameand you start playing, it
doesn't reset, like, for example, like you know how, if a game

(07:32):
that we play, like, let's say,you lose or you die or whatever,
you can still start over againfrom scratch, and like start all
over and redo things.
But in this game, supposedlywhatever choices or things
you've already done, it savesthem.
So when you start off againfresh, those decisions affect
the future of the, however youplay.

Laura (07:52):
That makes sense because in the movie I did notice that
after they were killed, whenthey would come back each round,
they still had the injury ofhow they were killed Black eyes
or like they had bruises or sometype of physical damage but it
matched to how they were killedblack eyes or like they had
bruises or, um, some type ofphysical damage but it matched
to how they just died.

Esme (08:08):
so that that's why they were kind of like deteriorating
each time yeah so I think thatthat was maybe like a nod toward
that concept.
But the people were saying like, oh well, like a movie defeats
the whole point of it, like thegame, because in the movie you
can't choose own adventure.
But I was like well, obviously,but I guess they were like no,
like you remember, in blackmirror there was that one

(08:29):
episode or season that was justlike one long film, mini film
called bandersnatch, I do know,and on bandersnatch you couldn't
pick your ending and but it waslike obviously, like netflix or
you know, did something thatyou were able yeah, with your
remote.
Yes.

Laura (08:46):
The Xbox or something?
Yeah With your console.

Esme (08:48):
Like you're able to like pick what direction to take it.
And it reminds me of the booksin the 80s that were literally
called Choose your Own Adventurebooks.
I used to love them.
I would read them as a kid, inelementary school, and, yeah,
you would read the story and atthe end it says, okay, if you

(09:11):
decide to go down the basement,uh, go to page 89.
Or if you decide to help yourfriend and see what the noise is
outside, go to page, you know,50 or whatever.
You know that's cool.
And then from those decisionsthen it would turn into some
other like then you, at the endof that, those chapters, you had
another choice to go, sowhatever.
So it was basically that andthe fun part was like going and
then at the end like, oh you,you go to the page 89, oh, you
died, you got killed by doingthis.

(09:31):
So it was very cool, becauseback then I don't think like
video games had thatfunctionality yet, but you know,
at some point it grew into that.
But there were books that werelike that too.
So I understand these gamersthat are maybe like so
accustomed to like playing thisgame maybe it was a favorite
game and like they're mad thatthe movie doesn't fall into that
.
So I understand why they'retalking crap about it.

(09:51):
But, like again, we're notgamers, so we've never played it
, so we're strictly looking atthis from a, like, movie point
of view.
Right, but I did want to touchon that because it was based on
the game, so I kind of wanted totalk about that like a tidbit
also.
I came to my own conclusionbecause of what was said also,
like the little forum peoplewere talking about it, I did see

(10:12):
that they were like, oh, itwasn't until the end, when they
go into the mines, that it kindof made sense.
So I feel like, even though theywere talking crap about the
movie, this is almost like itsets the stage for the game
because, like one of the, likethe main girl, she goes in there
and once she finds that man, Iknow I'm getting ahead of it.
Like I'm not trying to go tothe end of the movie yet, but
there's a part that I feel likethat's where, like, maybe the

(10:33):
game could actually start.
So like all this that happenedwith the people is the backstory
of how this place comes in.
Remember that another car rollsup.
So it's like it's not the endof the story movie we watched,
but at the end it has like alittle open loop.
Yes, I'm jumping to the end ofthis.
When?
And they were able to leavethat place like another property
had the same thing.

Laura (10:51):
Huh, definitely not the same property, because there was
snow.

Esme (10:55):
So it just made me think like, oh so this guy like had
this set up another houses youknow what it was weird in that
forum that I was reading aboutit, someone was complaining how,
like the outside of the housewhere they were at, like the
welcome center, that it lookedtoo like night it didn't even
look that scary.
I mean, I know that at night itlooked scary and then when the
other components came in itchanged the way it looked.

(11:16):
Even the inside looked scarybut in the beginning, when it
was all bright and friendly,looking like it didn't look bad.
But someone posted a picture,like a little picture, of how
ever this cabin looks like inthe game, and in the game
there's snow.
So again, now that you saidthat, it kind of underlines what
I said earlier, that I think itwas setting the stage.

Laura (11:34):
The welcome center was in a cabin but

Esme (11:36):
no, it wasn't

Laura (11:37):
the end clip was a cabin

Esme (11:38):
yeah, so that end cabin was basically connecting it to
the actual, where it continuesand that's where the game is,
you know, because other peoplecome in so those would be like
the players.

Laura (11:47):
What do you call it?

Esme (11:48):
it's like a prequel kind of prequel yeah, I think people
yeah, I think people were madbecause they're like, oh well,
usually there's video gamesbased on a movie that exists,
but they're like how we wentbackwards.
You know there was already agame why they need to create a
movie.
Maybe watching this moviecauses people to be interested
in the game and they'll probablylike go play it.
They even know it existed.
So now that we've talked aboutthat, let's get into the movie.

(12:10):
So, like I mentioned, I thinkone of the things that I like
the best was that it was likeone of those movies that if
you're gonna go and want to belike oh my god, I want it to be
so scary, like see somethinglike, it's not like that kind of
movie.

Laura (12:22):
Well, I screamed twice in the movie theater and that
usually doesn't happen.
No, but that's what I'm saying.
Like it's not the kind of movieit's not the kind of movie that
you're like like you're gonnahave nightmares about, not like
that, but it's the kind of moviethat has jump scares, so you
are gonna be startled.
It's like I mean, it was stillexciting to me, okay.
So the main girl, ella rubin,was clover.
She was like the backstory wasbasically that her and her

(12:43):
sister.
Well, her sister went missing.

Esme (12:46):
That's, yes, the thing and they had lost their parents or
something right like they had,like some, some trauma some
trauma that happened, yeah, somefamily trauma.
So she was kind of like sayinglike, oh, you're just leaving me
and this and that, right, andthe sister's like why don't you
come?
But she's like, nah, she didn'tgo with her.
But she basically was sayinglike well, we have to carry on
with our lives.
You know like we can't likedwell on this.
Yeah, so they kind of left,like she was kind of like sad

(13:08):
and they didn't leave in a goodlike in a good way yeah, no, it
was kind of sad.
So then I guess, like a yearlater, right, she goes to the
same place, because her sisternever came back and I guess she
had photos or like so it lookslike her missing sister before
she went missing, sent her afinal video or something.

Laura (13:25):
In the background they showed this liquor store, slash
gas station, so that's how shewas able to retrace the steps up
to that point of like where shewas last.
It started off really excitingbecause we're seeing this chase
and this obvious like killerthat's I don't know like about
to do something bad, but youcan't really tell, like if it's
a zombie.
Well, at least I did.
I couldn't tell if it was azombie or human, but it looked

(13:49):
like a creature.
Um, but whatever, the point isthat there's a girl already in
distress like the movie'sfull-on started already.
Yeah, um, so that's how we knowthat.
That's something you knowhappened prior to this whole
like backstory of like, okay,there's a girl looking for a
sister.
That's what I kind of likedabout it.
I like that it showed us thatshe already had died, like it
wasn't a mystery of like, oh,let's see if she's still alive.
I like the fact that I alreadyknew she was dead the whole time
but also you know what, though,I didn't 100 know that she was

(14:11):
dead.

Esme (14:11):
You know why?
Because at first I thought shewas dead when I saw that whole
little intro.
Because you see the creaturelike crawling, like she's trying
to get out from, like the earth, and like he's crawling trying
to get her.
But then when she sees thatkiller with a mask on that kills
her, she's like no, she's likebegging him.
No see, we're like, okay, shedied.
But then when the movies kepton going and started and we saw
clover, which is her sister,once she gets into the part

(14:33):
about like trying to find her,and all that, and when we see
that they die and come back, itmade me think like there was a
possibility her sister wouldn'tbe alive I thought she wouldn't,
because they already showed thebook with her signing and it
looked like she had alreadyreached her limit.

Laura (14:47):
So that was why I thought she had already died, because
it looked like she had alreadywent through it way too much and
her last words were I don'twant to die again.
So I'm like I don't know thisgirl's out.
Yeah, because her signature waslike already sloppy and we'll
get into that book right now.

Esme (15:00):
So the group that goes with her are a couple of her
friends, one of them which waslike her ex yeah, he was like a
weirdo, like just tagging along.

Laura (15:07):
Which one was it?
This guy?
There's michael on there.
No, it is real name, but likeoh, yeah, yeah max.

Esme (15:12):
And then there was a guy able with a girl named nina they
were like a couple and thentheir friend megan.
All of them ended up going.

Laura (15:19):
Apparently they thought it was a road trip or something,
right well only the new guyonly the new boyfriend was like
oh, I didn't know, this wasgonna be like some form of like
therapy, not even that likehunting for her, you know, like
retracing her steps, yeah, whichI honestly would have felt kind
of weird too.

Esme (15:33):
If no one told me that part, I would have been like
that doesn't be fun yeah, like avibe kill trip because it is a
vibe kill, like you startfeeling like down gloomy, like
oh shit, like someone's, likemissing you know, yeah, and then
like, not only that, like thatperson that's there is probably
going to be going through it,like retracing the steps or
reliving the fact that she can'tfind her sister, right.
So okay, I guess we forgive himno, even like um for me.

Laura (15:54):
I understood him.

Esme (15:55):
I don't even feel like that should be explained
honestly, I related to him a lotand there's a lot of selfish
things that I feel like Iliterally was gonna say that his
character was kind of likethose people that like don't
give a shit about nobody else'sfeelings, um about themselves,
like the whole time.

Laura (16:10):
He was just like man, like forget these people, let's
just leave you know I think hewas just a survivalist and I
think maybe I'm that because Iwould have been like, at the end
of the day, like I'm outlooking, I'm out trying to stay
alive.
At this point, if no one elsearound me's gonna be alive with
me, then that's on them.

Esme (16:25):
So I related to him a lot, that's so funny, laura, oh my
god.

Laura (16:29):
Okay.
So I was like yes, you go ableall right, okay.
So anyways, they're drivingright and they get to the place
where the last known video ofher location, like she traced it
to this place right and then atthat point we learned that
megan, which is one of thefriends that's with the squad,
she has like this, like othersense, or like she's into like

(16:50):
weird shit.
Yeah, she's like a sixth sensethat she tries because she
wanted to do like a ritual orlike do like some form of like
circle and have everyone liketune in to energy and stuff.
But uh, whatever, it was allbogus in that moment, like
nothing worked, whatever.
That was very telling for me.
I'm like, okay, so this girl'sinto that, or she obviously
could pick up on energy, ifshe's not crazy um.

Esme (17:11):
So she seemed kind of crazy to me.

Laura (17:13):
I was like not believing her first, like this girl yeah,
I didn't believe her right awayeither, but, um, it shows a lot
about each of their charactersand their personalities, like
that one, that one opening scene, when they're in front of the
gas station.
It shows a lot about all ofthem.
And clover, which is the littlesister of the missing person um
, she's the one that ends upgoing to the gas station and she
meets the clerk there and hesomehow knew where people go

(17:36):
missing a lot and he saidsomething weird.
He says that a lot of people gomissing um, close near there,
not not exactly there, butnearby.
So he directs her to that wayand doesn't he?
that was freaky because I don'tthink I would feel like any
optimistic if someone told methat like oh, a lot of people go
missing around here, like whatdo you mean?

Esme (17:53):
and he said up the hill or up the way?
Did he say up the?

Laura (17:55):
hill, I don't know, but he said the name of the village
or whatever the hell.
Oh, glore valley, glore valley.
Okay, that's, I want you in myblood line.

Esme (18:03):
okay, so the name of this town that he sends him to is
called glory valley and it's amining town, which is a very
important thing becausesupposedly that's how everything
started, yeah, like the littlewormhole of a town starts or
whatever.
So, anyways, the guy seems veryeerie and later we find out
that this clerk which isinvolved, this old man, he's
part of the problem, he's alsolike sending these people over

(18:27):
there sends them to a trap andthey all get into the little SUV
and they start driving towardthat place.
They're kind of like oh, wedon't even know where we're
going, like the other guy, theone that you relate to.
What's his name?
Back Abel.

Laura (18:44):
So he starts, kind of like wait're driving in this
thunderstorm rain like it wasreally bad so, like some of them
, want to turn back right it'sbecause she had already said
that she wanted to turn back,but then she changed her mind.
So we see the part where he'slike we've already like done a
bunch of vueltas just because ofyou.
So it looked like she washaving like second thoughts, but
then she don't want to go back.
He was tired of it.
I would be too.
I would be pretty annoyed, likeyeah, of being in a really bad

(19:08):
weather.

Esme (19:09):
Someone who's indecisive so they're going through this
foresty looking area and thenthere it's storm and it's dark
and then all of a sudden theysee like a light up ahead, right
, and they see like a house.
Do they notice that it's achain until they drive in it, or
right before they get in?

Laura (19:23):
it.
Um, there's like a circle likein the sky where it's not so.

Esme (19:29):
They notice it and they all think it's weird before they
drive in no like, as you'regoing into the welcome center
parking lot there it abruptlystops, like it's like kind of
like a curtain, like you know,when it's raining really hard
and you're indoors and outdoorslike that's the difference.

Laura (19:42):
It reminded me of hunger games, when they have like the
simulated weather and all that,I felt like someone was
controlling it.

Esme (19:49):
Yeah it does feel like that, and this is the part that
reminded me of that show that Iwas talking about from from mgm.
It's a really good sci-fi showand it's creepy and it has
creatures in it too that killyou at night and stuff.
So it's like a reallyinteresting, like it's good, but
, um, it reminded me of thatbecause this town from well,
it's not called from, but likebut there's this town that all
these strangers end up in andthey get there on accident.

(20:11):
And again, I'm gonna nameanother show.
That's really cool.
That's kind of like that calledwayward pines.
Wayward pines is also a sci-fi.
It has a totally differentthing, but they all end up in
places like driving somehow, andthey just appear and then they
can't get out.
So wayward pines is like that.
I mean, I want to give it awayin case you guys haven't seen it
, but it's like you wake up andyou don't know that time has
passed and then you're stuck ina place because at the end

(20:33):
that's the only place thatexists, but the people in there
don't know that yet.
In from there's a very specificthing that people see right
before they get trapped intothat town, and it's a fallen
tree.
It's like they're driving andthere's a tree that's in the
middle of the road blocking itand they're forced to like make
a u-turn because they can't gothrough it.
They like drive and they'relike, wait, where's the town I

(20:54):
just came from?
And there's only one road.
And you suddenly appear in thisroad with the same diner, the
same motel, the same houses, andyou're like what?
And they try to leave it andyou come back to the same place.
So they see this fallen tree orwhatever.
And it very much reminded me ofthis because I'm like, okay, in
my head I thought, as soon asthey cross that weird circle
where there's no rain, there's,you can see the rain pouring, a

(21:14):
storm behind them, but in thatlittle spot there's like
sunlight and it looks allcheerful and like pretty.
It's like, okay, that's weird.
Did you feel like they're notgonna come back?
I felt they crossed that thatportal already and they can't
come back.
I thought that in my head.
I'm like because I already knowthese people are trapped
somewhere in a house I waswondering.

Laura (21:29):
I was wondering at what point they were unable to go
back.
I thought it was probably eventhe road, like the rain.
I thought that too, because I'mlike maybe that's why they kept
going back.
But then like they'll changetheir mind because they weren't
really sure where they weregoing, no more, but yeah anyway
so I was thinking there.

Esme (21:43):
I mean, who knows if the rain is part of it or not?
Possibility.
There's a lot of questions thatI think don't get answered in
this movie, but I think they doit on purpose to keep us kind of
like guessing.
There's certain things right.

Laura (21:53):
One of those things is what you said right now I also
have another theory, but we haveto discuss it when that detail
gets brought up.
Okay, because I think, like thetheories that we've said so far
, I think that this one knocksthem all down the theory that
first popped in my head I thinkis like one that stands out is
obviously that little section.
I feel like once you cross intothat section, I felt like okay,
well, you're there, like youcan't just leave but maybe they

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could have left because theydidn't even go inside like,
let's say, they wouldn't havegone inside the the welcome
center honestly, if I was inthat position, I don't think I
would have crossed into that dryarea, because I would have felt
like this is abnormal yeah, metoo.

Esme (22:25):
I think I would have been scared.
I don't think I would go inthere we gotta go, we're mexican
yeah, we a chicken or smart?
No, we're smart.
They get there, they park.
They're like oh, a welcomecenter.
Glory valley sounds like gloryhole.
The sister knows that that'sthe place that that man, that

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the clerk, had told her.
So she's like okay, well, wemight as well stay here because
it's not pouring down rain.
We could get out of the car.
They're like let's go inside.
And it's like vacant.
It looks very abandoned I meanvacant of people but I mean,
there's things there's things,but like they start noticing
that the things are in there,haven't been touched in, god
knows how long?
And spiderweb yeah it's dustybut it's more like a.

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You could tell like the time,like they even had, like their
phone was like a rotary phoneand like they saw the calendar I
don't know if it said what yearoh yeah, I was really.
I'll do this like october it'slike a year, like was it like in
the 80s or something.
Yeah, that little calendar wasreally yeah, like it was old, it
was like nothing that happenedrecent.

Laura (23:26):
We can't remember, but you guys pay attention.

Esme (23:28):
Yeah, and they were even saying like damn, I don't think
anybody's been in here sincethis time, but there was
furniture, there were things.

Laura (23:35):
And the thing that seems the most out of place,
considering how everything isold looking, vintage, it looks
pretty plain.
There's not a lot of color, acolor, a lot of like.
There's no posters, pictures.
It looks very like boring inthat way, but out of nowhere
there's like this skull withlike a hourglass yes but that
looks almost ancient.
Like it looks like it has a likeritualistic feel designed to it

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so it just looks very out ofplace.
Like it looks like you wouldsee that in, maybe like a
witchcraft house or like maybelike an indigenous tribe would
have that maybe not indigenous,because they had, like the sand,
what's it called the hourglassthe hourglass, yeah, the
hourglass, the hourglass.

Esme (24:14):
It makes it almost like not indigenous, but what it was
placed on.

Laura (24:18):
It looked like it had a straw or wood, wood and like
feathers.

Esme (24:23):
It definitely looked like it did stand out and then.
So they started kind of lookingaround and you know like they
each went to a different room.
Uh, one of the guys, I thinkabel, is the one that walked
into this other room where hesaw all the wanted posters I
mean wanted missing posters, ohyeah, but at first, like he had
to like, uncover some of thepapers, yeah, he started being
nosy they were like uncovering,like newspaper articles and

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stuff yeah, that were clipped tothe, to the like a cork board
or something.
So he was like he started takingsome off that was weird and
missing posters, and then he sawa missing poster, then he saw
another one.
They're all these people, butthe people look more current
than like whatever you know year.

Laura (25:00):
The thing said and there was no contact info, so it
looked like very pointless tohave their pictures printed it
just said missing in a photo ofa person.
So that looked that was weirdon its own and it's like and it
was a lot of people and myco-worker told me that that was
another easter egg becauseapparently the pictures of the
missing people they are peoplefrom the actual game or

(25:20):
something.
He said.
Oh, so if you play the game Iguess you would have noticed,
okay, which?

Esme (25:24):
I did not.
Yeah, and there were peoplethat became part of that galore
valley place.
Like they get sucked into it.
And then we find that out.

Laura (25:30):
So this is a detail that I was gonna bring up that, for
me, makes me feel like at thismoment in time, this is when
they fucked up.
It was, at this moment, likethe meme.
So there's like a guest book inthere.
The guest book is signed bynina and she did it like just
for fun.
It's kind of like when you letyour intrusive thoughts win
right, like it's like why didyou do that girl?
Like ain't nobody telling youto sign it.

(25:51):
Yeah, it's like you just did itbecause you could, and I think
we all experienced that in ourlifetimes.
Like why did you do that?
I don't know you just wrote yourname, so she did that stupid
thing kind of like when you'reat michael's, that moment that
the curse or the time clockstarted, whatever triggered.
Yeah, because, as we alreadykind of mentioned, there's like

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rounds to this and once everynew life starts, it's in that
moment that it begins.
When she signs, so I feel likeshe cursed them all by signing,
but that's my idea, that's mytheory, okay, but there's
another thing.

Esme (26:25):
You know we're talking about the rain and all that
stuff, uh-huh, because you knowhow everybody was doing
something different at the sameexact time.
You know how the main girl,clover, and then mac.
They went outside and cloverwent to go.
Look, I guess I don't know what, why she went outside, but she
went outside because she saw hersister in the dark.

Laura (26:42):
It was so ugly like in the no.

Esme (26:44):
No, yeah yeah, but before.
So she went outside forwhatever reason.
I forgot, I can't remember whyshe went outside.

Laura (26:49):
She's exploring like what's around there.
You guys pay attention becausethere's a reason for everything,
but we just, they're just notthat important.
That's why we don't rememberthem, but they're, they're
probably important, like we justdidn't catch them, okay.

Esme (26:59):
So.
So she goes outside and thenmax goes behind her and then she
starts peeking toward theforest, like where the wall of
rain is there again.
She goes to that edge.
Then I feel like I rememberthat she heard her name, she was
trying to look through it, butshe didn't go in it.
She put her hand in it first.
The point is that she saw thesister, because I thought she
was going to be able to.
I think I noticed it because Ithought she was going to be able
to get in.
Oh, like a forest or something.

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Yeah, I trapped and can't gothrough it.
But I'm like, well, she can'tgo through it.
But then that's when, like thesister appeared, her silhouette
or her, how it looked like her.
So clover called after her.

Laura (27:31):
She was like it looked weird because it's like sis,
where are you in the pouringrain?
And like she had that girl inthere.
That girl had bangs, so shelooked already weird, like with
her hair wet and her face andshe kind of was in a weird
posture.
So whatever she goes to chaseher, but she never found her and
it looks like she kind of gotlost in there.

Esme (27:48):
Huh, like she couldn't, yeah find her way back and then,
when she went in there, didwhat's his name?
Go in there after her?

Laura (27:54):
no, or he just grabbed her.
He grabbed her out eventually,because he was also wondering
where did she go?
He didn't know.

Esme (28:00):
She walked into the rain and then max went after her and
that part where he pulled herout is important too, because at
first it's like did thattrigger it?
No, was Nina writing her nameon that little thing trigger it?
No, was it that guy beenlooking at the wanted I mean
wanted, I keep saying wantedposters?
Had the missing people posters?
Because that's where everybodyended up exactly Like they all

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were, like touching somethingthat was like off the road.

Laura (28:24):
They were all doing something at the same time, but
for me it's nina.
What was megan doing?
Where was she at?
I'm not sure but, she, shedidn't do anything.

Esme (28:32):
I don't think that triggered anything like we did
see that all of a sudden, whenwhatever was triggered that
little rotating thing that youwere talking about with the,
with the um, the tribalwitchcraft thing yeah, the
tribal witchcraft thing itturned and the hour glass to
start at first nothing happenedlike, but then the lights turned
on like there was noelectricity, and all of a sudden
there was electricity, like soall kinds of stuff because they

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were even looking for waterbefore that and nothing.
And then all of a sudden it waslike the place was functioning
so fast forwarding to wherethings get really fun.

Laura (29:01):
This is gonna be their first.
What's the best way to put it?
This is gonna be the beginningof their first end, because
they're gonna die a lot of timesafter this point.
But the first time was the mosttraumatic for the audience
members aka me, because Ithought, wow, that was quick,
like what's the movie.

Esme (29:16):
They're all dying, they all died.

Laura (29:17):
So their car seems to get hijacked right like someone's
literally takes their car, putsthe high beams on I don't know
what dumb ass would leave theirkeys in um in the car, in the
car.
Unless correct me if I'm wrongand if we just both don't
remember, then you pay I don'tremember I think someone did
something to the door.
It makes it seem like someonewent in, grabbed the keys, but I

(29:38):
don't know if that was adifferent round, I don't know.
But the point is that someonewas able to get into that car
and that's their only form oftransportation.
So the owner of the car, abel,and his girlfriend, are tripping
and they're like we're notgonna take our eyes off of the
car because you know we gottasee what the next move is.
But with that, how does that?
What's that girl?
Yeah, the mask.
The michael myers on steroids?

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Yeah, how does he come?

Esme (29:59):
into the house.
Doesn't that guy able?
Doesn't he hear a noise and hegoes walking down the hallway
and he goes oh, I'm gonna gocheck out over here oh yeah, so
megan was the first one to godown.

Laura (30:09):
Yes, then april, everyone goes down within like the first
three minutes of him cominginto the picture and he just has
like a, like a traditionalactor, like I don't know.
But even if he didn't have amurder weapon, he himself he
looks like, he's like monsterit's like a pig.
He's like those x no but evenhimself, like he has a lot of
force yeah, and when they try tohit on he doesn't even budge.

Esme (30:29):
Like he's like one of those.
Like yeah, like, like you said,michael myers, like you try to
hit on, nothing happens steroidsthough, yeah, and he has like a
clown mask, like that kind ofjust covers the front of your
face uh, and then it looks likehe's wearing like a mechanic's
suit yeah, and then max was theone who very quickly shows that
he has balls, because he did tryto like catch him off guard and
hit him but then he likesmashed his skull and like

(30:51):
literally he was undefeatable,like the final boss vibes.
And then, when the girl comesesta um nina to look for him
because you can't find him.
She sees him on the floor orsomething right like I couldn't
have.

Laura (31:02):
It's because everyone is like brutally murdered and we're
not even going to go into likethe different scenes of how they
look, because it's just so muchso you'll enjoy that part in
the movie, like seeing how theyget taken out.
But then that's what makes itcool, because right after that
scene it's like they're back,but then like they're all shook.
So it's it's clear that theyremember what just happened, but

(31:24):
they're like how are we hereagain?

Esme (31:25):
yeah, the thing is, even they died at different moments,
they all come back at the exactsame time and that's like the
last thing they remember is likebeing killed, you know.
So they, when they get up,they're like and they look at
themselves like that guy thatgot stabbed in the chest, he's
done with his chest, things likethat.
Like they are like okay, itjust freaking happened.
How am I here again?

Laura (31:41):
yeah, and then nina's like right there signing her
name, right yeah, that's why Ifeel like it was her that
initiated all that.
But yeah, I mean, we don't know.
So then in the next life, inthe next round, I'm gonna just
say rounds, it's easier becauseit's like a game and it
literally is a game, right.
So in the next round, that'swhen we see that they're kind of
like piggybacking off of whatthey already governed from the
first round.
So they're like oh, you got tocheck this out.

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So they all go into that likeroom where the missing people
are and then they're justtripping out together.
Yeah, because they didn't evenhave a chance to like cross
reference, like their, whattheir findings are and stuff,
and then keep in mind, cloverand max are outside, like their
initial like beginning is whenthey're outside, coming back
from that rainfall thing, sothey go inside or whatever.
So in the second round, that'swhen we realize that megan sees

(32:22):
sierra for something.
She does have that like othersense and I'm a toddler, you got
me feeling I'm gonna leave itis recording your love, your
love, yeah, yeah, okay.
So megan, megan, yeah, shestarts getting possessed, yeah,
in the couch, and then thelights go dark.
So that's also for the audienceand, you know, for you guys.

(32:44):
I watch it.
You're gonna see like, oh, so,like nothing's the same,
nothing's exactly the same,because I thought it was gonna
be like happy death day whereyou get murdered.
That's not the same exact way,but like by the same person,
like the threat is the same.
So you have to figure out, likehow to beat them, prevent it or
how to prevent it.
But in this case it's like it'sa whole, it's coming at you
from different angles and thethreats are different so the

(33:04):
lights went out, and that'sdifferent.
It's like everything wasfunctioning with electricity
beforehand.
But whatever, megan's overthere in the missing people room
tripping out, but somethingpossessed her, it looked like
what possessed her?

Esme (33:13):
Yeah, she was like floating in the air.

Laura (33:14):
It looked like what possessed her, though, were like
all those souls that weretrapped, so they were trying to
all speak through her at thesame time.

Esme (33:23):
Every time she pointed at one of the missing posters
because she was like in apossessed state floating in the
air, and she would say like ohmy god, how am I gonna get out
of here?
And she'll point at somebodyelse and then she'll speak in
like almost like their voice,but they were giving good tips.

Laura (33:33):
They were saying like, don't let him in.

Esme (33:35):
The, the clown guy like well at the end, before she fell
down, after being possessed,she said whatever you do, don't
let him in.
Don't let him in and like thatyeah, yeah, yeah and then was
that the time where it was likethe witch thing that happened
outside.
That's how clover died, yeah,the second time.
Okay, so after that don't wehear like someone banging on the
door?
You hear like banging on thedoor like really, really hard,

(33:56):
and it's melanie supposedly.
Yeah, because she's hitting thedoor.
And then I guess, like abelgoes and looks at the window,
he's like there's no one there,or like somebody says it, maybe
it's not him.

Laura (34:04):
Well, clover opens the door like a dummy and they're
telling her don't do it Becausethey looked and they could see
that no one was there.

Esme (34:10):
But she's like oh, but I can hear you know, so Afuer says
she went to go open it.

Guest (34:13):
And of course it was nobody.

Laura (34:15):
So they closed the door.

Esme (34:16):
Yeah, like Nela said, there was so many things going
on and so many lies that theyhad to come back to.
I do remember in this part,Clover getting dragged.
Oh yeah, that did happen forsure.
So, she's getting dragged intoacross the street and across the
street, all of a sudden, thishouse, that was not there.
That's the trippiest part.
Yeah, it wasn't there beforeand they even said, okay, that

(34:37):
wasn't there.
You know, that's new orsomething like that.
And it's some scary ass lookinghouse and there's like writing
on the outside of it.
On the outside of it, but itlooks like decrepit, like it's
like like abandoned or something, but the door opens and
whatever it is that's draggingher and throwing her over.
There is like dragging her intothat dark doorway.
It's like really, really scaryand no one else wants to go and
get her, except max.

(34:57):
Well, we have to go get her andhe doesn't want, nobody else
wants to go and they're likemaking fun of him, like what you
think she's gonna get with you,didn't get back with you just
because you go, and he'sthinking like that's so stupid,
I'll go kill myself, so she'llget back with me, right?

Laura (35:07):
yeah, but he goes.
He was a real one, though Ididn't notice that.

Esme (35:10):
I'm like this guy looks like the biggest wimp, but he's
not yeah, like he's actuallylike trying to do something.
So anyway, she gets dragged inthere and she passes out and
then, like, when she wakes up,everything's like scary.
In there there's like thesehalf like bus mannequins.
Oh yeah, that all have.
You know how?
That other person in the firsttime that they got killed, one
that was killing everybody, howhe had his mask these have a

(35:31):
bunch of little other clownmasks, so there's like different
faces, but they're all the samebut it looks creepy in there.
And then there's like a ladywith like an oxygen tank
watching tv like oh, they couldjust see like her silhouette.
Watching tv, like, like old, um, freaking, like the tv boxes
from back in the days, the thelady the witch with the freaking
um oxygen tank.

Laura (35:50):
She looks like super withered and evil looking and
then she starts approachingclover with like weird
information, like about how,like you're gonna be trapped
here with like the rest of us.
She just keeps getting closerand closer to her, like while
laughing it was ugly, yeah, itwas like creepy, yeah.
So then that lady that we'respeaking of, she ends up getting
really close to Clover and likeknocking her down, because

(36:10):
Clover's trying to escape andshe's trying to unlock the door,
but it's like sealed, locked,and I think like the windows are
like there's like walls, likethey're covered, like she's
locked in, so there's likereally nowhere for her to go.
And then the lady ends up likejust like attacking her and like

(36:33):
decays right in front of hereyes you see, like the skull,
she turns into dust, but thatsoul that was in that woman goes
into clover and she immediatelyhas, like her eyes, like black.
So then we see that she'spossessed and then freaking max
is over there after her, youknow, being a good friend saving
her, but he doesn't know thatshe's in this state.
So that's how he gets taken out.
And it's a bunch of like I'mtelling you different scenarios.
Unfortunately, we would be herelike forever if we go deep, if
we dissect each one.
Yeah, we go deep with each one,but you'll be entertained from

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beginning to end with all of theways that they creatively get
killed.

Esme (36:56):
And then again we start seeing that whenever they do
start again that they, like Laramentioned in the beginning,
that they have the scars orblack areas where they were
either stabbed or they were likecut up or whatever one of the
guys, april, he starts gettingthese weird things on his back.
Was that till like later,doesn't?

Laura (37:12):
till later.
But um, it looks like, sinceyou already brought it up, we
might as well just touch base.
And with every round thatpasses, I think they're like
decaying or like getting morebeat up, and it's turning into
something, because for example,that guy april, like he starts
getting on his spine.

Esme (37:27):
And how do we know that's a Wendigo thing, didn't we see
one at some point?
But they also use that word inthe movie.
Yeah, but we saw one of thosecreatures at some point, which
is we know that he's turninginto one of those.
Another thing that we found outis that they can't drink the
water.
That was like in the third timethat they were getting killed.

Laura (37:48):
And clever, because I think that was my immediate
thought the second time.
Like I can't believe it tookthem that long.
I was like they should just allgo into one space and like
don't move, don't do anything.
But they even can't do that.
Right, because me, when I sawthat scene when they drank the
water, which you could elaborateon I already knew in my head
that's a no-no, like I would notdo something new, like if I
haven't done this already, likeI would not experiment now
because yeah, because they wereall like in the bathroom.

Esme (38:07):
Right, they were in the bathroom and they were just like
close the door and all of that.
I guess they're like safetynumbers.

Guest (38:13):
We're all staying together.

Esme (38:13):
They boarded it up too I guess one of them was like oh my
god, I'm thirsty, or whatever.
And then one of the girls hadtried previously to drink water
and she's like, oh yeah, there'sno water there's no water here.
And then, like when he turnedit on, the water came out and
she was like, hey, what the hell?
So he gets like a cup that wasthere, fills it up and he goes
do you guys want some?
and he drinks some and then hepasses it around to everybody
else, so yeah, so like he drinksthe water and he gives it to

(38:34):
somebody else and so on and soon.
Next thing, you know, he startsgetting sick and like gagging
no one's even noticing, and thenhe explodes and all his body.
They're like, oh my god, whathappened?
Everybody was screaming and we,we were like jump, scared into
it.
So then they all startedgetting scared because everybody
that drank from the water knewthat they were.
They were gonna start like likea mine, you know, like um, they
started spitting out, yeah, soeventually they all died.

(38:57):
I think they all drank waterright and then one of them, I
think, someone got in theirmouth and then they made them
explode, like they didn't evendrink anymore.

Laura (39:02):
And then megan, she drank only a little bit, so only her
leg loaded, yeah.
And then she was like suffering, yeah she was trying to drag
herself like.
So then this is when theseidiots started resorting to
suicide to like, if they alreadysee they're not gonna make it,
they're like, let's just take meout of my misery.
But then that led to themwanting to have this truce of
like the moment one person diesand we have to kind of like just

(39:23):
all quit so we could startfresh again, reset, so we could
all survive together, becausethey were given a clue by that
crazy guy that it is possible tosurvive the night.
But obviously they don't wantno one left behind and that's
when abel starts like oh, no, no, thank you, like we're alive,
yeah, and I

Esme (39:37):
agree with him like so they were saying the truth,
because that way they could allleave together.
But they were also like, Ithink like abel was like whoa,
that's not you guys, if you die,like he wanted to just like
keep his chance for himself, youknow.

Laura (39:47):
So then the girl doesn't like his girlfriend like get mad
at him or something, so shekills him yeah, she's down on
purpose and then like that oneguy comes, the clown guy, and
then she said him first yeah,there's a little humor there.

Esme (39:59):
That's during the part that they also kind of like
figure out like, okay, how manytimes are we gonna keep coming
back?
The girl nina, didn't she alsofind her sister's signature on?

Laura (40:06):
there.
Oh yeah, they starteddiscovering, like the past,
people who've been there andthey have about like how many,
like 12 or 7, 10 do they signuh-huh, 13, oh, 13, and the
signatures are like perfect atthe start, but as they get to 13
they're like little, likechicken scratch.

Esme (40:20):
Yeah, it started getting worse and worse.
So they realized they're likeyou know what people only make
it up to 13 and then like theydon't come back but they don't
know why.
I think one of the other cluesare given by that man, that they
become part of the game orsomething, or somebody says that
, the witch said it and cloverrepeated it to everyone and then
, like we saw things that okay,like another question that I was
saying, like you know howthings that got unanswered was
how you know, remember that oneof the times of max, when he

(40:43):
came back, like he noticed hisfingers were turning like into
claws.

Guest (40:47):
And he was trying to hide them.

Esme (40:48):
So there were certain things that were happening to
them physically, but some ofthem didn't want to say because
they were already basicallybeing part of the game, like, or
they were being, like, suckedinto whatever they were going to
become, yeah.

Laura (40:58):
I don't remember though.

Esme (40:59):
Yeah, because it was a part that they kind of
fast-forwarded all this stuffand they were not gonna do every
single one with us because theydid so many.
I mean, I think it was stupidthat they were recording,
because no, who's gonna recordall that?
That's what I'm saying.
It was stupid.
And if it was gonna reset,really your phone's gonna save

(41:21):
all that, you know?
Yeah, um, because it seemedlike a lot of them started like
not remembering stuff, right,like it happened so many times.
So the guy able startedrecording, but yeah, one like
who knows, would it actuallydoesn't everything reset, so
wouldn't the phone reset too?
Or b doesn't get electricity.
Why is his phone not dead afterso many freaking days?

Laura (41:38):
see, um, I feel like if you're on survival mode, you're
not gonna be like here.
Let me push record now, becausesome of the things that they
were recording were like verycrucial moments that I'm like no
one's gonna have their freakingyeah but what I did like about
it is that they saw we gotlittle tidbits of things.

Esme (41:52):
I got, like you know, the part where, like they saw that
face appear in the middle oflike nowhere and then it started
flying at them like that.
Like that part was scary.
I forgot about that.
It was one of the phone segment, and another phone segment, I
think, is where we saw thewendigo, like we saw the, that
creature that he was turninginto, oh yeah.

Laura (42:07):
But the way to go concept was brought to us by dr Hill.
He kind of like had a clover,remember?
Yes, yeah, like a one-on-onewith her.

Esme (42:14):
But well, he brought it up .
But like we saw it right after.
That is when the guy's likesomething on my back when I sit
down, it bothers me.
And he had those thingssticking out from his back, like
his spine was like kind of likeprotruding these little things,
like he was churning into thatbut I like how.

Laura (42:26):
When he asked, like what is it?

Esme (42:28):
they're like nothing that was my favorite part.
They're like nothing, nothing,are you sure?

Laura (42:33):
so let's jump ahead.
So, as we were mentioning, theywere having this recap of like
all the lives they've had so farand they're already reaching
the end of the threshold.
So dr hill ends up tellingclover that one-on-one that we
were just mentioning.
He tells her like it's possibleto survive the game, and then
she's convinced that if shetalks to him directly that she
can get some answers.
So he makes this deal to speakwith her, but only if she's

(42:56):
alone.
And then he did throw a tip inthere that he's.
He's around, like he's there.

Esme (43:00):
So she's like I'm gonna go explore and find him and didn't
he also say your sister's there, I might even let you see her.
So that was like a big part ofher like, yeah, being compelled
to go find him by herself.

Laura (43:11):
Yeah, yeah that's true, and half of the gang was on to
it.
They were like, yeah, don't dothat, that's not a good idea.
But then the other half was likewe have no other choice, but
also just know he could be lyingto you.
And that's when we first seeanyone go through those doors
that show us that half of thetown is underground.
It's so weird.
But then we we learn and Iguess that's part of the
backstory with the game thatthere was like this big

(43:32):
explosion and a lot of peoplewere killed and stuff, but that
whole town, or like all thosehouses are, are there.
They're just underground.
So when they arrive to thewelcome center, it looks like
there's nothing.
It looks like just terrain.

Esme (43:44):
Things have been swallowed so there's like tunnels and
stuff under, so that's where shewalks into yeah, because when
they first go down becauseremember, when they go
downstairs, in the verybeginning one of them, one of
the guys, had said like whywould anybody put windows
underground?
Yeah, but it's because laterthey find out that it was that
and those doors that they'relike, oh it's gonna be dirt, and
they opened it.
It was actually one of the longmine caves and you know what?

Laura (44:04):
I'm just realizing that I mixed up the rounds.
I'm telling you that's part ofthe beauty of it.
There's so many rounds and youkind of get confused at what
happened at what point.
But all of them are true.
But she actually didn't gounderground just yet.
She actually went out the frontdoor into the woods because he
said I'm in the woods, or sheassumed that he was in the woods
.

Esme (44:21):
Yeah, and that's a map or something right that's when she
finds her sister as a wendigo,like super ugly and demonic yeah
, she looks like scary, like acreature, creature, but she's
wearing her same dress orsomething, so she knows she
looks so ugly and she'sattacking her, and the way that
she got caught with her caughtwith like a bear trap on her leg
it was at some point there'slike glass ceiling that one

(44:42):
person either fell through anaccident and another time.
That's how, like when they werehiding in there.
That's how, like, one of thebad guys got in too.

Laura (44:47):
Yeah, I feel like, again, we would take a long time
describing each one he does, butthey're all really creative and
really we hope you watch it inthe movie theater because that's
when you'll have the best.
Yes, in the dark and with goodsound.

Esme (44:58):
But there's a lot.

Laura (44:59):
It's just so many.
It's because think of it like agame, which it is.
It's like the same map, thesame layout.
It's just like you have to findthe right formula.

Esme (45:06):
You have to find the right way to go through it and again,
like they're reaching liketheir final night, where they
think that that might be thefinal one before we will start
turning into stuff.
And I think, um, like afterthat whole incident that she saw
her sister, she was able toescape and I think max is the
one that helped her escape again.
That's when at some point, theygo into the place and they're
like oh, we've been doing thisall wrong.
Look around you, there'sweapons.
Remember they were inside?

(45:26):
They start getting weapons andthen they go through those doors
that's when you thought that.
That's when the game felt like Ifelt like, oh, this is probably
where the game actually starts,like in real life.
But no, it's not, because laterwe find out about the whole
cabin and the snow and stuff andthis is not it but this would
be like a perfect way to havelike a whole backstory to a game
showing us all this stuff thathappens and then, okay, start
now, go get your weapon and goin there, right they?

(45:46):
go in there there are creaturesin there.
There's like random creaturesthat pop out, lots of jump
scares, but fun ones.
At some point, clover gets to aplace where, one of the times
when they reset, the only onethat was missing was megan, and
megan was like.
She saw her trapped in somelittle cell with like one of
those things.
Yeah, she was strapped to achair and the Wendigo had like a

(46:08):
chain and was trying to get ather.

Laura (46:09):
Yeah, and that setting was induced by the psychiatrist
that was saying that he wasperforming tests on victims of
the accident as well asnewcomers that somehow still get
infected by the energy, andlike, supposedly, that's how bad
the trauma was there, that itaffected new, the new people

(46:32):
that didn't even know about it.
Okay, like to me, I'm confusedat that because supposedly he
says that she's like his mostinteresting patient, so it makes
me feel like she's the core ofit all, like if she started it
in a way, because says that shehas a power to like feel it more
and more.
Like it's her own insecurities,her own thoughts that are not
this a reality.
But it's like, technically,nina's the one that signed and
that's what I was really likebang on, like I really thought
that she started everything, soI just feel like huh, like
clover was like they wereexpecting clover then, or like

(46:52):
because they could have easilynot even gone to that welcome
center.
So it's like how is all of thattailored to them?

Esme (46:57):
like yeah, it was weird.
It was weird and also it wasweird because because obviously
there was a bunch of peoplebefore them that got trapped
there.
So I mean, but my, my questionstill stays like how is this all
happening?
Because I'm very I mean becauseI also like a lot of sci-fi.
So I watch sci-fi and it has tomake sense, even though it's
like super outlandish and itcan't happen in real life.
But it has to make sense likeokay, like this the legend is

(47:17):
this if this happens, thishappens, you know everything has
like a connection.
But this, like, I'm thinkingokay, let's say, in this world
this is happening.

Laura (47:24):
What magic power does he have to create this world or to
control it and like the factthat he could opt out of it, and
like because he was obviouslyat the gas station at one point
in the day by day.
He's a gas and by night.

Esme (47:34):
He's a he gotta make money somehow.

Laura (47:37):
These are, these are not paying customers yeah, that
really didn't make sense to me,sorry no, yeah.

Esme (47:42):
so I like obviously it was like he had like, so he was
like the mastermind of all this.
But I'm thinking, but how doeshe control it?
What's powering it?
He's seeing the trauma, butit's like, okay, the trauma is
not gonna power like peoplebeing trapped in there or like
him being able to go in and outor create creatures to me.
I'm like, okay, like how, howis it that you're in control and
it doesn't affect you?
None of those questions gotanswered for me.
You know, I don't know if it'sjust something we have to just

(48:04):
with things that we have toaccept blindly, like I want to
know why or what's the cause,even if it seems weird, like I
want to know what the cause isor how is it happening, but we
never got those answers.
Another thing is like I do likethe fact that she used the
whole thing of like okay, oneperson has to survive in order
to start over or something.
This is important, I don't wantto skim through it.

Laura (48:30):
But like she person, I know where his office is.
She rolled up on him.
It was unexpected for him tosee her there, right like she
rolled up when she was trying tohelp her friend.
Oh yeah, that's when she wentunderground.
I know that she had to go toget megan on the last round.
Megan did not appear with them.

Esme (48:36):
That's another that yes because because we got an order,
but that's that's where shewent at that point, to go get
her because she was nowhere tobe and that was a flaw that I
did want to mention, because itwas like they did not start off
or reset in the same exact place.
Megan reset somehow undergroundwith that wendigo, yes, and
again, was that just part oflike a mistake that they just
like, ah, who cares, no one'sgonna notice?

(48:57):
Or is that like no, that man,um psychiatrist hill?
Did he cause that to happen onpurpose to lure clover down
there?
We don't know that like that'ssomething, that a lot of things
have to be left to speculationon this movie.
Yeah, you know.

Laura (49:09):
But maybe it was intentional.
I just didn't feel like.

Esme (49:12):
If it was intentional, it was not obvious intentional.
It was something that we had toreally really think about, like
because it looks like a mistake.

Laura (49:23):
My theory with the movie, when we notice these answers,
how are we going to have answersLike menos nosotros.
So it's kind of just like we'regoing with the flow.

Esme (49:30):
Yeah, like we're part of them.
Yeah, like we're learningthrough each round as them.
Yeah.

Laura (49:34):
It literally reminded me of an escape room, like a puzzle
.
Like you know, I hate thoseyeah.

Esme (49:38):
I feel dumb as hell, like I feel like I'm smart in, yeah,
but anyways, so like in order tohelp her friend, she has to
hurry up and kill this guy.
And it definitely sounds like asummer dream the birds, the
neighbors with the music playingbasketball outside.
I bet you the basketball's theway you get.
Do you guys hear basketballoutside?
I can't help it.
I can't edit that out sorry.

Laura (49:57):
Anyways.
So at the end of the day,clover ends up finding the Dr
Hill and she's very clever, andyou know, regardless of all
these laws and we don't knowwhat, what anymore yeah, we
don't know what makes sense.
The fact of the matter is thathis death is too easy and very
predictable.
So I don't know if that's alsolike a good thing or a bad thing
.
It's up to you how you see it.
Maybe the hardest part was tolocate.
But when she located him it'slike okay, you're just a human

(50:18):
being.
So she ended up doing thatwater trick with him, like so
she put it right next to a leakvery strategically, so it got
contaminated and when he drankit he exploded.
But my thing is like so there'sa whole like.
It kind of reminded me ofCoraline too and the fact that,
like the Beldam the witchfighter thing, she created this
world like for Coraline.
So I'm like so now that she'sgone, I'm assuming the world

(50:39):
ceases to exist.
So that's my question.

Esme (50:44):
I think she strategized that part because of what he had
said previously, that in orderto reset, one person has to die.

Laura (50:51):
Oh yeah, that's a good detail.
I completely forgot, so itwould have been him.
It was him.

Esme (50:55):
Because it wasn't specific on who had to die.
So even though he was going tocome back and reset, it would
give them a chance to reset too,but all of them together, so so
he didn't die forever, so hedidn't die forever.

Laura (51:05):
That makes sense too, because the ending shows like
how we touched base on earlierthe cabin in the snow.
So, he probably just takes overthat one now.

Esme (51:13):
Yeah, because it almost seems like they knocked down
that, like they destroyed thatmaze, that one, huh.
Yeah, like they defeated thatgore, valley Gore.

Laura (51:21):
I think it's gore.
It should be gore, valley itshould be gore.

Esme (51:24):
So like it looks like they took that place down because of
all that, like they were ableto do that she was able to save
her friend like in the nick oftime, like right before anything
.
So they and they survived.

Laura (51:32):
And then you can see that the little oh yeah that's
another thing I brought it up inthe other podcast that I'm like
damn, it feels like daylightcannot come soon enough.
It's just like it's almostthere, like it's at the brink of
being there, and I had a forsure, like an adrenaline rush
seeing the hourglass, like therewas like a little bit of sand
yeah, and I was like, oh my god,hurry up.

Esme (51:51):
And it's like all those seconds, somewhat.

Laura (51:53):
Something could still go wrong and someone could die, and
then that's it.
Yeah, but everyone survived.

Esme (51:57):
Good, good job yeah, so then that's when they were able
to finally get out and they wereall together.
They were able to get out anddrive out actually, but we
missed a part.
There was a part that I wantedto talk about.
Like that, they try to driveout one of the times and didn't
they drive into the rain.
They saw this big giant, likemonster, like a giant, like a
giant or something.

Laura (52:15):
Yeah, I really wish they would have elaborated and shot
more of that scene because Iwanted to see, like, what
exactly they were gonna faceyeah, it was just like a hint to
like don't even dare try toescape because there's like a
big, there's other problems.
It was like a Godzilla typething, like a huge like out of
this world.

Esme (52:30):
That's what I'm saying there's a lot of stuff that kind
of like how I said, like youknow how, when they were turning
into things where they neverturned, we didn't know what they
were gonna turn into, but wenever saw it like turn into
anything they never addressed itagain.

Laura (52:42):
and her final stage?

Esme (52:42):
Well, I don't know because you know how they okay, there
was a wit and then there waslike some were wendigos, there
was a giant, some were just likeclown killers.
I mean, it was almost like itreminded me of like um, also
remember, um, cabin in the Woods.
Do you remember that movie,cabin in the Woods?
I don't think I ever watched it.
You don't have to watch it.
Okay, this is an old movie.
Basically, it's like some, somepeople going to some cabin in
the woods and like they don'trealize that they're being

(53:04):
watched, and this is somethingthat like is being like, I guess
, watched like by a whole lot ofother.
Um, like squid game, kind oflike squid game like like.
The elite are watchingsomebody's watching it and so
somebody's creating, like theproblems that they're having.
So like they could they go tothis basement?
They have all these like itemsand whatever they get, they even
bet on it like, oh, thisperson's gonna like grab this

(53:25):
and it's gonna turn into thisLike there's like a seashell and
if they get it like it's like amerman, like killer merman come
, or like if somebody toucheslike a Kind of like Hunger Games
.
Yeah, like a hybrid of all ofthat.
They cause things to happen.
Sometimes there's psychokillers, no-transcript.

(53:54):
But this is like a very old,old movie and I think it's kind
of underrated.
Some people like make fun of itand stuff, but I think a lot of
ideas that came later owe it tothat movie.
The ideas that came came withwere like good, you know, oh,
and this one kind of has likethat little thing that you know
someone's controlling it.
There's different type ofscenarios.
All in all, I think that inthis case, like this district

(54:14):
was defeated, but there's alwayslike that other, because, like
in the ending, what did younotice when they finally were
able to see the sun and driveout?
and all that because in drhill's office he has the cameras
so after they drove away theywere able to get in the car and
drive out and go home and stuff.

Laura (54:29):
There was no more storm and it was cool because they
came out of the grave.
It seems like they were likecrawling out of the dirt and it
was just like the beginning ofthe movie where melanie came out
and looked like she survivedbut then they caught her.

Esme (54:40):
So yeah, because it was still night, like her time, like
it was still like running, itwasn't day.

Laura (54:44):
Yeah, I wonder if I would have survived all of that.
I feel like I would.

Esme (54:47):
I mean they did they, they died a gang of times, yeah, so
like, how many times would youhave to like die to finally
survive?

Guest (54:53):
that's what, that's what it is.

Esme (54:54):
That's what it does remind you as a game, because it's
like you keep dying, you keeptrying to pass this level
psychologically for me.

Laura (55:00):
I kept thinking about it.
I was like I would be scared,even though I already died and I
already experienced it.
I would be so scared to dieagain and that would for sure
impact my decisions and I thinkI would probably become weaker
because of that, like I don'twant to go through that again,
even if I end up getting becauseit killed your spirit, being
killed over.
I think my spirit would havebeen killed with this movie, so
I hope I never go to the woodsand find glor valley or

(55:23):
something like that I swear likeI've been thinking about
airbnbs differently, anythingthat has like a camera, like
maybe someone else, maybe likeusing me as a pun.

Esme (55:31):
I think about that I think nowadays I don't want to live
like a horror because now thatthere's all like this technology
, I think people that are goingto use it to do weird things
with people yeah, the last sceneis what we've been mentioning a
few times already throughoutthe podcast.

Laura (55:45):
We see the cabin in the snow and it looks like an SUV
pulls up and then it just cutsthere.
So I'm assuming for the peoplethat play the game, this is
where it all starts and this iswhere they maybe become familiar
with, you know, like thevisuals.
So again, I have that question.
Well, you kind of answered it.
Now you said that you think DrHill stays alive.
Yeah, but dr hill stays alive.
Yeah, but I thought he was done.

(56:05):
So I'm just like what, whatdoes that mean?
Like they continue somewhereelse, I thought like oh, there's
another property that's cursed.
I'm like what happened there.
But I guess in the context ofthe game it matches like how you
said, like this is anotherdistrict, or like another
another maze, like okay, so it'sextended to other places but,
um, overall, I give this movie,uh, 10 out of 10.
I hope I don't sound like abroken record because I keep

(56:25):
giving them maybe too high of arating, but it's because I
really enjoy some of the moviesto the point that I feel
confident giving them a 10.
And this is another one becauseit was really entertaining.
I screamed two times in thetheater and that's what makes it
cool Like, okay, I'm not thattype of meme, but it really did
catch me off guard sometimes.

(56:47):
So, that the fact that it has alittle bit of like sci-fi,
horror for sure, but then alsolike thriller.
It's like a little mix ofeverything and a little bit of
comedy in a way.
Yeah, so it's like humorousparts for sure so that whole
like melting pot together, Iwould feel like it caters to a
modern, young audience.
So definitely go watch it andmaybe, if you've played the game
, or if you haven't, maybeyou'll be inspired to keep
playing or to find out what thehype is about.

Esme (57:06):
I feel like if anytime there's like a game that exists
or there's like, let's say, itcomes from a book and you're
like a fan of it, it's like youhave to watch whether you're
gonna like it or not.
Forum that I was telling youabout, like half the people were
saying none of these charactersare in there or, like you know,
most of the characters aren'tin there or whatever, but it's
because obviously this is like adifferent district.
It was like based off of thegame, but it was like a, either
a prequel or like that ties intowhatever game exists for sure.

(57:29):
How would you rate it?
It's hard for me to rate them.
I give it a eight, okay, eightor nine, it's definitely watch
like something you have to gowatch because it's either like I
like, I don't, I don't know,like it's hard for me to rate
because it's either like yes, gowatch it, I recommend it, or I
don't like.
When it comes to like a scaleof one through ten, that's like
too many numbers for me.
You know what I'm saying.

(57:49):
But, like you said, I mean Ifeel like the reason I give it
like a still a good score isbecause I like the jump scares.
I like that.
A lot of people could relate toit, like young people as well
as older people.
It has something for everyone.

Laura (58:02):
Where there are some movies like only specific people
will like it, or you know, yeahyeah, and I think you're not
too far off, because, look, sothe rating of the game is a
point, it's over eight, pointsomething.
So it's over eight the game.
But for the movie you know whocares really about round
tomatoes and all that, but I'mgonna just say it the rating is
six out of ten, so that's prettylow, but when I look at the
comment, they're positive, andsomeone said this um went to the

(58:24):
movie knowing it wouldn't belike the game based on the
trailer.
It has a lot of elements,though, and I kind of see it was
a prequel to the game.
So that's basically what ourwhole podcast was about.
We yeah so we're not too far off.
And then, um, someone put themovie was amazing 10 out of 10.
And then another person putthat they really enjoyed the
film with their boyfriend andthey had a lot of jump scares
and it was all well executed.

(58:45):
So, oh, I didn't know this part.
It says you can tell it'sproduced by the same person who
produced the annabelle filmseries and the nun.

Esme (58:51):
For this reason, I did not know that me neither, and I'm
glad you said that yeah, becauseI like when, I like to know
that information too, andusually we spend a lot of time
talking about the cast anddirectors and stuff.
I know we didn't really do itthis time and I kind of wasn't
doing it because it was like, oh, it's a game from playstation,
so I wasn't thinking in thatmode at that time, but I'm glad
that you mentioned that.

Laura (59:08):
Yeah well either way.
I mean, they were all new facestoo, so we can't really like be
so excited that we like theactor that we know, but that's
what makes it even cooler,because they gave new actors a
chance yeah, I definitely liketo see new faces.
Yeah, like I don't know any ofthem honestly, and I thought
nina, which her name is, herreal name is Odessa, azion or
Azion it's a apostrophe, zion.
So I don't know how youpronounce that last name, but I

(59:29):
thought she was really pretty.
Yeah, she's very exotic in hername and features like curly
hair, green eyes and she had alot of freckles on her face
which stood out to me, so wecould get into a scary story.
If you're ready, let's do itare you guys ready?

Esme (59:54):
Oh my god.
So we're about to start ourscary story segment.

Laura (01:00:00):
And we're having a lot of fun here.
Our scary story today revolvesaround someone who experienced
something on a chill, normal dayIn a residential street, may I
add which seems like the mostunscariest environment ever, by
the way.
We have a guest speaker tellingus their experience.
Our guest wrote down herexperience because it was so
memorable when it happened, sowould you like to elaborate on
what happened?
What was ?

(01:00:21):
That day we were waiting forsome friends and I was in the
back seat and something caughtmy eye.
It was a house on the otherside of the street and I saw
something weird and it lookedlike someone was playing
peekaboo and doing the motion ofappearing and then hiding
behind a curtain.
And then it looked strange tome and I said who is that?

(01:00:44):
While my other friend looked,but she ignored me.
It's hard for me to remember.
And I said who is that?
While my other friend looked,but she ignored me.
It's hard for me to rememberbecause I was pretty young all I
could see was eyes and oldwrinkly hands on the window
curtain that was so scary laterI found out that the house was
actually vacant and thehomeowner had passed away, and I
heard she would always look atpeople through her kitchen

(01:01:07):
window, exactly where I saw herthat's scary, and what did it
make you feel when you realizedthat she was dead?
I felt in shock and I wasconfused.
If I were you, my initialthought process too, would be
like how come I saw her?
No one else had a chance to do?
You think you're special, or doyou think your other friend or

(01:01:30):
whatever didn't look at the sametime that you did?
Or that's weird, that you werethe only one that witnessed that
?

Guest (01:01:35):
well, I think, since I was a few years younger than
them, maybe I could have justseen it out of luck, or yeah,
because they say that usuallyyounger people and kids, they
usually are able to see morethan grown-ups.

Esme (01:01:47):
Yeah, I've heard that.
Is that the only time you eversaw anything weird or out of the
ordinary?

Laura (01:01:51):
yes, I have heard of that sensitivity of kids and even
animals having that.
So it could be that because youwere young, did an animal tell
you no, I don't know.
I don't know how they know.
That's a good question, but youknow how dogs sometimes bark at
nothing and then they say like,oh, there's still something
there yeah, no, I'm just kidding, but you know what?

Esme (01:02:08):
I have heard that there's people that something that they
know is a ghost and they lookedat their pet and the pet was
looking at it too so that's whythey're like oh, my pet saw it.
Or like animals could seeeverything thank you so much for
telling us your story.
That was creepy thank you forhaving me and I think what makes
it creepier is that you don'thave to be in a scary place, you
don't have to be in the dark atnight or somewhere spooky.

(01:02:29):
You could be across yourfriend's house in the middle of
the damn afternoon.
Yeah, google tells us this.
While it's impossible toscientifically prove whether
children can see ghosts in asupernatural sense, many people
report experiences where theirchildren claim to see or
interact with unseen entities.
Psychologists suggest thatthese experiences can also be
attributed to various factors,including vivid imaginations,

(01:02:50):
developing cognitive abilitiesand cultural influences.
Some suggest that children maybe more attuned to their senses
and have higher levels ofawareness than adults, leading
them to perceive things thatadults might miss.
Okay, I'm going to interruptthis because obviously in this
experience, she wasn't reallyimagining it, because it was
real like.
Later she found out the factthat someone had passed away,

(01:03:10):
and what a coincidence it was anolder lady and she said that
she had seen her.

Laura (01:03:14):
This is before she knew, so there's no way that she could
have imagined this person thatshe didn't remember before yeah,
that's what makes it likeundeniably a true story, because
she didn't have no priorknowledge to anything for her to
say like, oh, let me make likea prank or joke, let me lie.
You know she didn't have thatknowledge to do that not only
that?

Esme (01:03:34):
um, I know that she had mentioned to us that her friend
had also said that later, afterthey were gone, when they got
back they saw that lady'sdaughter.
Was it a daughter?

Laura (01:03:43):
um, maybe I think she said that there was someone in
town that was like taking careof things, because you know, the
house was vacant again and itended up getting confirmed,
right.
Yeah, they asked the daughteror whoever that person was.
That was, you know, visiting itfor a little bit.
They confirmed that there wasno one in that house at that
time.
So that also feeds into theidea that you know this person.

(01:04:05):
Not that we believe that theywere lying at all, we have no
doubt but we're just saying likeit just shows.
It was additional information,yeah additional information that
shows that the house was emptyand there was no way someone
could have been in there Like aworker.
I don't know someone like areal estate agent.

Esme (01:04:17):
Someone, even another relative, like there wasn't
anyone else there.

Laura (01:04:20):
Yeah, Something that just seems interesting when the
story is the fact that they werelike making eye contact with
our guest speaker, like why didthat go at her, like the ghost
knew like that she would look atthat time, or like why did she
choose?

Esme (01:04:35):
to like look right at her, not just appear as like a yeah,
and why play peekable?

Laura (01:04:37):
because you know how some um based on the story, I don't
think the person, the ghost, wasplaying peekable.
I think they were just like notpacing, but like looking out,
then going back in, looking out,like I don't think it was a
game, a playful vibe.

Esme (01:04:50):
From my understanding, it looks like that's just what it
looked like, which made itcreepier because only the eyes
and the hands were shown so itkind of shows like there's like
a mysteriousness to the ghost,because it's not really showing
all of itself right, maybebecause it wanted to be in sight
and it was daytime and that'swhat I was gonna bring up.

Laura (01:05:08):
I think I cut myself off a lot of times.
When people see ghosts, theysee them like passing by or like
in the corner, like sometimesthe ghosts are not interacting
with them or looking at themright.
But then this one, the ghostwas specifically yeah, that's
even scarier, attention.
Yeah, I don't think I wouldlike that.

Esme (01:05:24):
Yeah, it's crazy and also like based on this, I mean I
don't know if I want to readthis whole thing, because it
also gives points of like,psychological explanations,
imagination, perception,imaginary companions, which that
I didn't want to say, that theytalk about like okay, so the
imaginary companions I know thatthis is not that like what I'm
gonna say, because this isobviously a one-time thing that

(01:05:44):
she happened to see, but I dohave a very strong, strong
belief that the majority of thechildren that see imaginary
friends or that have imaginaryfriends, that they are spirits.
I don't think that is justtheir imagination alone, because
, yes, kids have a bigimagination, but they know
they're imagining as they'reimagining, like they're

(01:06:05):
pretending, pretend, is verydifferent than oh, I see a
person, I see this person andthis is my friend and he's
sitting right here.
Don't you see him?
You know that's a totallydifferent thing, I feel, because
I have heard stories frompeople, friends or whatever.
Like I have family members thathave at one point seen
something and I do think that it, depending on how the child

(01:06:28):
reacts to that first sighting ofthis being, is whether it
becomes his AKA friend or if itjust doesn't appear anymore
Because, like I had a reallygood friend at one point and she
told me that throughout herlife that she remembers having
an imaginary friend and she evenknew his name.
She remembered his name, hisname was david.

(01:06:48):
She described him to me she'slike, oh yeah, he had like brown
hair, like his eyes were dark,he was like he had dimples, and
she's like, yeah, she goes.
And it's crazy she said thatbecause as she would grow like,
he looked always like.
He always looked the same ageto her but at the same time he
looked her age but she wasgetting older.
So she was like she doesn'tremember him aging, but that he
always looked her age like, butstill somehow the same, if that

(01:07:11):
makes any sense.
And she says that she only wouldsee him when she would get in
trouble, and she would get introuble a lot.
She had, like you know, familydysfunction.
So whenever like things werehappening and whatever, she
would go to her room, gets intoher room and she'll be like
crying or in trouble, and thatwhen she would go he was already
there, he was already in herroom and that she would like
talk to him or they would playand she would feel better, like

(01:07:32):
she would like forget about herproblems or whatever.
And she says that the last timethat she ever saw him, she was
probably like around 11 or 12,that she remembers seeing him,
that she he didn't, she didn'tsee him for a long time.
That she saw him once again andI think when she started
questioning, like wait a minute,like she was already older,
like he never came back and Iwas like what the hell?
That's freaking weird.
And she's like, yeah, she goes.
And he didn't seem weird to mebecause I was so used to seeing

(01:07:54):
him throughout my childhood thatfinally, like something clicked
when they're like what the hell, what?
Who is this person like?
Why is he in my room?
Like, who is he like now?
Like you know, kids, as kids,you know, you just accept
whoever's there and oh, yeah,some ladies there in my room,
whatever.
But I guess, like, as you growup, eventually you're gonna be
like, okay, something's off,like who is this person?
And yeah, he didn't come backI'm processing it.

Laura (01:08:14):
I'm like stunned because that's that makes me feel like
like wow, that really couldhappen.
But then I'm also likeforcefully trying to think like
no, maybe there could also betrauma that causes you to really
believe that something's real,because you said that it was
tied to like negativity, yousaid there was dysfunction, so
it just could be like a lot ofthings.
And I guess only like a parentwould really pick up on if their

(01:08:34):
child you know, because wedon't know everyone's story but
like a parent you would thinkthey would know like no, there's
, there's a haunting, or likesomething well or no, my kid is
just like that, like right, youknow but let me add another
little tidbit.

Esme (01:08:46):
she says that her brother, she had an older brother.
Her room was upstairs and helived downstairs.
So this older brother I don'treally know how much older, but
I know that he was significantlyolder than her, so she was a
kid and he was already like ateenager, late in his teens, you
know, and sometimes he wouldlive there and he would
sometimes not live there and Iguess he would come back and
forth and stuff.
So she says that the last timethat he got kicked out by the

(01:09:09):
mom he was already like an adult, but like a young adult, like
maybe early 20s, you know.
But that she kicked him outbecause he would practice like
like Matt, like he would do likeoccult things and practice like
certain things, and the momdidn't want him in there because
she knew that he was doing thatand she already told him you

(01:09:30):
know what, you can't be bringingthat stuff in our house thing.
So she was like a churchgoerand every completely opposed to
that and that he was bringing inthings that you know she didn't
like.
So she says that she doesn't.
She that's all.
She remembers that that's thereason that he got kicked out,
but that he would always be downthere getting high and doing
this, but that he would do someweird things.
So that made me and her becauseat that time when she told me
this, we were like I don't know.
She told me the story when wewere like 16 years old, so I
still remember this, but shetold me like yeah, maybe that's

(01:09:52):
why I would see like these weirdspirits, because he was opening
doors like to for spirits tocome in or like be present in
our house.
She says that she never hadanything scary happen to her.

Laura (01:10:02):
That's good, but that's something that ghost was really
nice to her like truly a friendI mean, who knows, I mean maybe
there was like other weirdthings.
That I mean because sometimes,like as a kid, it doesn't click
yeah, it doesn't click.

Esme (01:10:13):
I mean maybe there was no intention.

Laura (01:10:14):
I mean we don't know that , we don't know but at least for
her, she, she never like, shenever saw it like that.

Esme (01:10:18):
Yeah, at least yeah, I I do get what you were saying,
though, because I agree,sometimes trauma could cause
things, and I mean, let's notforget that there's mental
illness.
That could come hand in hand.
Schizophrenia, or somethingyeah, so people can actually see
people or things that are notthere, but in this case that was

(01:10:39):
the only thing that she everencountered.
But obviously the mom knew thathe was doing something, because
maybe the mom knew more ormaybe she would see things who?

Laura (01:10:47):
knows was gonna say she probably saw stuff herself.
That's why she was really likeadamant about kicking that guy
out yeah yeah, I think, so thatwas a two-in-one for you guys.

Esme (01:10:56):
Yeah, that was a two-in-one.
I mean the reason that one cameup is because we were talking
about imaginary companions andhow kids are more prone, or you
know how they say that they'remore prone to see spirits, but I
mean it's not really connected,but at the same time, there,
you know, there is connection,like there's a lot of things
that we don't know, so, yeah,there's like a lot of stories
out there, I'm sure that have todo with children.

Laura (01:11:18):
So, yeah, hopefully you enjoyed our two-in-one story.
Sometimes we do that, and thoseare our extra bonuses for our
audience members and those ofyou that are true fans of scary
stories.
We hope you can still sleep atnight, yeah.

Esme (01:11:29):
And, of course, if any of you have a scary story that you
want to share with us, we wouldlove to hear it and possibly put
them on the podcast you cancontact us through our email
down below and, like we said,we'll possibly shout you out.

Laura (01:11:44):
Or, if you want to remain anonymous, that's always always
welcome, but we would love tohear your story and have you on
the show.

Esme (01:11:47):
so with that we'll wrap it up, and we can't wait to review
the next horror movie with you.

Guest (01:11:51):
Goodbye see you soon.

Esme (01:12:21):
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