Wolf Man 2025 review (Extended Episode) / Laura's spooky Cancun hotel room/ Esme's eerie hotel room

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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I'm Laura and I'm Esme, and weare Chicas.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
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That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Look the thing that came out who cares what it says.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We are the judges there's a big too ready.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's crazy to me who cares what they say?
So, off the bat, esme isshowing us that there's a 52
percent rating on rottentomatoes.
But what we always like to sayis that who cares what the
critics say?
Because sometimes it happensthat the movie's bomb and really
entertaining, but the rating'slow.
Don't care what the internetsays or what people say.

(01:43):
You should go watch it and yoube the judge.
Preach side note the only moviethat I feel like okay, why
should I listen?
Because everyone collectivelysaying it's a bad movie is joker
.
Part two oh, I still haven't,because I still have that
mentality like who cares whatthey're saying, like let's go
watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
No, it's better to make up your own.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I kind of agree with everyone, so let's see.
So the movie we're talkingabout today is wolfman wait,
we're starting off like thatalready.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, are we adding everything that you said already
, if you want to.
It's about the rating.
Okay, so, since she startedwithout us introducing the movie
, the movie we're talking abouttoday is wolfman, and it's
currently in theaters right nowby universal pictures.
Okay, so director is leewenendell.
Am I saying it correctly, or isit, I think, when now?

(02:28):
So director is lee when now, Idon't know.
Director is lee when l or onewendell for the 10th time, lee
when now that's the director lee, when now, obviously, once upon
a time, there was a moviecalled the wolfman which this
was adapted from, and that wasin 1941.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Horror fantasy, oh really just like today.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So it's the same movie, but in an old school form
um, I don't know, because Iactually have not seen the
original, the wolfman 1941, butit says here that's the
adaptation and I think the sothe storyline doesn't
necessarily.
No, the storyline is differentbecause it doesn't have to do
with like family, like it startsoff with somebody's brother and
the father, etc.
This is the old one, the 1941,but the story is not, does not

(03:09):
start the same.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Okay at all so not that it's irrelevant, but I
guess people who are true fansof this movie, you could go back
in time and see where this wasinspired from.
But okay, let's get into thereview of wolfman 2025.
There's a few themes in thismovie and some I appreciated,
even though they're not relevantto me at all.
I saw like a big.
There's a lot of themesactually, like I was about to

(03:30):
list them, but now I realizedthere's more.
So one would be the theme offatherhood, like what it means
to be a father, the relationshipyou develop with your son and
how it can be misinterpretedbecause, like an abundance of
protection could lead to likedistancing yourself.
And then there's a big themethat is very universal, that
that feeling of regret thatusually is attached to a death,

(03:52):
but the relationship like itkind of gets tarnished because
of the dad's interest in wantingto protect him and and raise
him to be like a survivalist andall that.
But it ends up like reallybreaking them apart.
Yeah, and then later the son,which is a protagonist in this
whole movie, ends up growing upand and realizing, like now that
he's a father, he can seehimself and his dad, and then,

(04:12):
once his dad is actuallydeclared dead, then suddenly he
wants to learn more about himand he wishes he could talk to
him.
I feel like that's such auniversal theme, like you have
your loved ones there and whenthey're there in front of you,
you take it for granted and youdon't reach out because he said
he's like I never talked to himno more, but because I didn't
want to.
But now that he's gone Isuddenly, like you know, feel
his love, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So those are all sub themes.
Can you think of another?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
one.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
But before we get to, the themes.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I wanted to touch on everything that has to do with
what he says.
And what he says is kind oflike something that probably
he's thinking about himself,even though he's saying it to
his daughter.
And he says sometimes and I'mnot quoting this directly
because I can't remember exactlythe wording that a dad trying
to protect and not have theirchild scarred, sometimes their
actions are the ones that end upscarring them by overprotecting

(05:07):
them, basically, or trying todo something, that they overdo
it, you know.
But I think that's just like aparent thing, because parents
make mistakes, because they gobased on however they're raised,
so they try to do thingsdifferently for their kids, but
sometimes the situations aretotally different, the
generation is totally different,circumstances are different, so
sometimes that protectiondoesn't even apply.

(05:28):
Let's say, for example, a parenttries to overprotect their
child because something badhappened to them as children,
that they felt that theirparents weren't protecting them.
Then they end up overdoingsomething.
Or vice versa.
Sometimes a parent let's saytheir parents were like overly
strict, didn't let them doanything, so then that parent
ends up being more passive withtheir own children, but then
those children end up being likemore rowdy, you know, taking

(05:50):
advantage of that or whatever.
So the outcome is always stilllike flawed, but that's because
we're flawed people anyways.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
This is a very good example in this movie because it
kind of touches on that becauseof all of these points that
we're just throwing out there, Iwould say that the Wolfman
movie is a very well-developedstory.
The script and the storyline ingeneral is just.
It has a lot.
So it's entertaining and itkind of makes me feel like it
deviates off of the scary movie,thriller genre of movies,

(06:19):
because it's more than that.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
It is more.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It's a good movie, so go watch it yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think for sure.
This movie is one that we bothagree that we recommend.
I don't know what the hell therotten tomatoes and like all
these other, whoever like, arerating it bad, because this is a
really good movie, I think.
I think the actor's really good, as you know, because of
apartment 7a or whatever, 13a orwhatever, um, julia gardner
again, I'm gonna say it one moretime, I really love her acting

(06:46):
in this one she was more subtle,but I really liked her that she
was in it.
And also christopher abbott,which plays the dad.
He did a really good job in allaspects because you know he's
the one that had to be thecreature feature at the end, you
know.
So he did a good job.
And then matilda firth that'sher name, the little girl.
Kudos to.
And, of course, everybody elsethat's in it.
Sam Yeager, which is the dad,grady Lovell we see a lot of him

(07:08):
too.
So what other theme did wenotice?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
We already passed that.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
It was only that one theme.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
I said three, you try to box yours in.
I felt like it was in trauma.
Yeah, because he seems likehe's like a disturbed adult now
Trying to like flee his likenature life from his dad and now
he's like a city guy.
That's why he's like all gentleparenting to her.
Like don't you think that'strauma?
Because it's like he doesn'thave to keep apologizing to his

(07:33):
little girl for screaming at herLike he's trauma, but then
again I mean dads are sensitivewith their daughters, at least
when they're little, right.
But she's not that little andshe's annoying and like getting
about to get hurt.
And he's still like oh, I'msorry, I yelled at you.
It's like, well, she's notlistening, so it's like yeah, I
just love parents like that.
I think we're past the themealready.
What was your favorite part?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay, so one of my favorite parts is the geographic
location.
I really love how it starts offin the forest.
I love that the dad is a verysurvivalist type of man.
You know he's more like of ahunter, not not a doomsday type
person, not that kind, but likehe's a survivalist in the sense

(08:13):
that they, you know, live in acabin in the middle of the
wilderness, and in wilderness islike forest, that kind of
wilderness it's in oregonbeautiful, yeah, the story is
located in oregon and I wasscared to go to oregon because
my brothers one day wanted tosay like, oh, let's all move to
oregon in 10 years from now orwhatever all the whole family.
And now I'm scared.
I told him, I texted him sayingI don't want to go oregon

(08:34):
anymore, watch wolfman.
But anyways, the forest isreally beautiful.
It is actually like that inreal life, even though I was in
the more populated locationswhen I visited.
But it looks so detached fromlike the rest of the world.
It's like dang, you know, likeOregon is just above California
and it looks like you're I don'tknow where, you know, because
literally they have no peoplearound them.

(08:55):
So they're like really like.
I mean, all you see is pinesand trees and, as you know,
their only real like form ofcommunication is that TV radio
right Later we find out whenthey return that they have no
signal of any kind over thereBecause they're like in the
middle of mountains.
So that's one thing.
So I do like that he's showinghis kid like, okay, let's go

(09:17):
hunting today, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
So it's obviously something that they do often,
you know, and he wakes him uplike really early, like talks to
him often, you know, and hewakes him up like really early,
like uh, talks him in militarytime.
Yeah, and not only that, he'slike raising a man, but it was
too much because he's prettyyoung.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Like he.
You can see that he just jumpsout of bed and scurries to like
make his bed really fast.
Like you, gotta be ready.
You know he finished eating, hewent to go wash his cup,
whatever.
Okay, let's get to business.
So they go out hunting.
Apparently, like you know, theydo show us like they're out
hunting for deer and then almostimmediately I feel like the
movie doesn't waste time ingetting us to be like spooked,

(09:54):
you know, like wait what'shappening, because this is the
first appearance of like acreature and it's in the middle
of the day.
Yeah, so it just goes to showlike the threat is out there and
at first we kind of do see thedad like kind of like tripping
off on the little boy, so yeah.
So when they show the dad, gradyand his son blake, when he's a
little kid they go out to huntand you do see that he's kind of

(10:17):
rigid with him.
But I think it is obvious to usas the audience that it is
because of safety, like it's notsomething, that he's just like
a mean dad.
I don't get the impression likehe's a mean dad.
You can just tell that he'slike really strict and because
they show us like danger reallyquickly that there's something
happening after they follow thatfirst little deer that comes
along, so yeah, so he's tryingto keep him safe.

(10:39):
And you know soon after, whenthe dad tries to shoot at this
deer, that they find littleblake runs off and he turns
around to look at Blake, becausethe dad kind of shows us we see
for the first time as a viewera creature that's standing on
both feet.
Now, if we did not know thatthis is a Wolfman movie and I
would have just seen it likefast the way they showed it, I
would have thought Bigfoot, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Right, because it's standing on two feet.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, and it looked like almost like it was hairy,
but it wasn't really.
I think it was just becausethey blurred it so fast, but you
could tell that it was not likea normal person.
So and this is like what's thatlittle thing they call the
little view thing?
I was gonna say, the littlesniper scope is not like a deer
or something yeah, you have alittle thing they put on top of
rifles to like be able to zoomin on whatever your show.
But yeah, like the so whateverlittle microscope, telescope,

(11:25):
whatever that thing's called,he's looking at that.
When we see this little glimpseand when he goes back to look
at it again, it's gone.
So then he freaks out and he'slooking for Blake and Blake is
nowhere to be found.
And that's when he, I guess asa dad, panics and he's over
there looking for him and thenlike, like, when he finally
finds him, like, yeah, he talksmean to him, like where were you
?
And I told you, why are yousupposed to run off and ended up

(11:47):
.
So I don't know if that's thetrauma that he has, because if
that's the trauma, and then theyshow him supposedly being mean
to his daughter, I don't know,maybe they're just all like
super sensitive, but I thinkthat was like a normal thing.
Like his dad was worried aboutwhere the hell did he go.
Maybe I was raised like, like,roughly, like that, I don't know
.
To me that's normal parentinganyways.
Like the little kid is stilllike what, like what's wrong,

(12:08):
but like they started hearinglike noise, like growling and
like weird noises that obviouslywere not being done by the deer
so the dad right away says oh,go to the, the deer, the deer
house.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
It's just like an elevated tree house where you
could stand and have a betterlike 360 view of the yeah they
use it for hunting and I'm sorrythat I can't remember that.
It's not important what'simportant is what I want you to
remember words that I can'tremember.
Okay, so that's not importantbut anyways, it's like basically
a tree house that you come from.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, it was me too so like they go up there and
then they close it and theycould still hear something
moving around and you could telldefinitely it's a something big
, something that sounds scarygrowling.
We can't see anything.
But then the moment that Istart getting like like I was
like already getting creeped outis when you could hear that he
climbed whatever that wasclimbed, up to where they were,

(12:58):
but they had already closed likea little wooden door.
It's kind of like a littlebasket with a roof right, but
like on top you can still see.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
So, whatever this, thing rough a roof rough, that's
a dog bark okay, roof, Icouldn't I couldn't hold it.
I'm sorry, it's okay, becauseif I heard it, your podcast
heard it, that's funny, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So when they climb up there and they're listening to
these sounds and dad's like,okay, hold on, they see actually
like it's so cold outside,obviously, that they see this
animal's breath and I'm notdescribing it good, I know I'm
not but like it's scary becausethey're elevated, like think of
it like they climbed a ladder toget up to this little basket
with a rough roof and they're upthere and like they hear it.

(13:48):
I think it was very just likethe audio makes it scary because
you know something's coming upand climbing up and then you see
, like the breath.
You can't see the animal orcreature or what it is yet, but
you can see breath coming up.
And then when the dad, how isit that he starts climbing
around?
Because you see it like thedad's looking, he thinks he's
gone, but then you see it behindthe little boy, like behind

(14:08):
right, so this creature ismoving around, like he climbed
on this thing and he's not juston the ladder anymore, he's like
walking around this thing.
So that already makes it for usviewing it like scary or creepy
.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (14:21):
yeah, you could see that he has a advantage over
like these humans, because thedad himself was still pointing
and aiming at the direction thathe was no longer in.
So it just shows like theydidn't die that day because it
lost interest in them, notbecause they would have beat him
.
So the wolf or like that thing,senses are obviously way higher
than human and they lucked outthat day.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
They looked down I think, because we did hear like
he attacked something and we'rethinking most likely it was
whatever deer right, like deerthat was around, yeah, so he did
attack something.
You could hear it and yeah, andlike he scurried away or
something.
So finally, like the dad likeokay, I guess when the coast is
clear, so they go back to thehouse, the dad at some point is

(15:02):
like down in the basement wherehe has his little radio thing
and he's calling someone oh,could you hear me?
Blah, blah, whatever, whatever.
Someone finally answers him andit's someone he knows and he
the first thing that comes outof his mouth is like I saw it, I
saw it.
And he's like saw what he goes,you know what, I saw him, all
right, it, whatever.
So the little boy, like we're inhis shoes at this, like we're
in his perspective, because wesee him go sneak downstairs and

(15:25):
he's listening to his dad saythis.
He's trying to tell him like Ialmost hit him, but I missed, I
almost had him and this and thisand that.
So like I guess he made a noiseor the dad turned around.
I guess he realized that hisson was listening to him right
From there.
It doesn't really tell usanything.
What happened after?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
But it gives us an idea that obviously this is
something that has beenhappening in his whole life,
like since he was a child andliving in the oregon forest with
his father.
But you're missing a detail.
Well, that's why I have you for, because it does allude to like
what happens in a subtle way,so you could see that in that
conversation he's telling hisfriend that he's gonna hunt it
down and he wants him to go withhim.
So it's basically showing thathe's committed or interested in
killing him, and that'simportant because it looks like
that might have stayed like alifelong goal for him, because

(16:13):
he did say like don't you wantyour son to be safe?
I want my son to be safe.
Oh, yes, definitely.
So he wanted to remove thethreat and he expresses that in
that conversation, and then wenever hear him again.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
That expresses that in that conversation and then we
never hear of him.
That is a key factor to theconversation and to the movie.
Thank you a lot of for tellingthe listeners.
So yeah, that part's important.
But again, it just shows usthat the dad is not just being
some super strict like mean dad,you know, like he actually has
his intention and his heart inthe right place.
He wants to protect his sonbecause that's number one for
them.
So that tells us, you know,whether he's doing good or bad,
like he's trying to be a gooddad.

(16:45):
Where's the mom?
Nowhere.
So it's just him and his dad.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
So the majority of the movie is revolving around
this kid, but as an adult withhis own family, a family of his
own.
So when you're watching ityou'll get introduced to his
wife and his daughter and itlooks like they have a very
close, tight-knit family.
But you can tell off the batthat the dad is the one that

(17:09):
takes the lead with his daughter, like it looks like the mom is,
is very more detached, andusually the mom is, you know,
the more nurturing one and theone that just resonates with
like the daughter more you wouldthink.
But no, the dad is the onethat's like super involved in
his daughter's life and he evenknows how to like make her smile
and they have like inside jokeswith each other.
And even the mom admits at onepoint, like like she relates to

(17:29):
you so much, like I'm just here,um, like she looks like she's
like a workaholic and a citygirl that's like always on the
go talking with her editor, likeon the phone, having
appointments.
So it's just that dynamic.
It doesn't look like he'sworking, he's not.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
He's like the mom and the mom is like that like we're
like being the breadwinner typething, so I think there is a
part that he says that becausehe says that he was in between
jobs.
So basically he was astay-at-home dad.
So obviously I think that thatlands for why he's so close to
her, especially at the age thatshe's in, because she gives me
like 10 year old vibes.
So I think the mom I know thatthey mentioned that she's a

(18:04):
journalist because when she'stalking this is like way later
when they're talking to that guyderrick yeah, that they meet in
oregon when they finally goagain.
This is how it discloses this tous too.
But she's a journalist, soobviously she's like a full-time
writer and like she's at workfull-time.
So maybe also that's why shefeels attached to her daughter,
because she's the one, she's thebreadwinner at that moment,

(18:26):
whereas the dad is fully, like,available and accessible to the
daughter.
I can see that happening, a momfeeling some type of way,
because usually, like you said,usually the mom is the one that
it takes the reins with thechildren.
But a lot of times daughtersare really attached to the dads,
especially when there's noother siblings, like it's just
her.
So, yeah, that's that's there.
So I guess they finally declaredthe father legally dead.

(18:49):
So they tell us, like, asthey're talking, he's basically
saying like, even though he hasbeen missing for a very long
time and they kind of knew hewas dead or felt that he was
dead that the state of Oregon orwhoever finally like sent him
papers acknowledging that he'slike legally, officially, and
they gave him the inheritance,which is that house, the key to
the house where they he grew upin.

(19:11):
Yeah, and that's when he startskind of telling us like how he
feels, that he feels sad.
You know his daughter and hiswife are asking him are you okay
, how do you feel about this,are you sad?
And he's saying that, yeah,he's sad because, although he
avoided and left very early inage, like basically as soon as
he was able to, he was gone anddidn't want to look back.
And I think it's part of that,like he felt isolated as a kid,

(19:31):
just feeling bad about his dad.
He does mention that it's abeautiful place, that they will
love it, and he mentions it tohis wife and daughter.
But now he had to go back.
So he took it upon himself todecide or to offer the idea to
charlotte for all of them to goto the family home, because I
apparently he needs to go packup everything.

(19:51):
And he kind of said, like youknow what, maybe you need some
time off from work too.
You know, maybe we could go bethere all summer.
You know it's beautiful.
There's this beautiful valley.
I would love for you guys tosee it.
Blah, blah, blah.
And we know exactly what valleyhe's talking about.
Dad makes like comment to hisson about it, saying like it
doesn't get old, like no matterhow many times you see this
beautiful valley, like it's justthat, like it's beautiful.

(20:12):
Charlotte decides okay, let'sdo it.
So they pack up, they go outthere.
You could tell that they theysee, you know like they're over
there driving in the middle ofthe forest in a rental.
They even show the littlewelcome to oregon sign and
everything and it's a rental,like like a moving truck
basically yeah, like, yeah, likea u-haul, yeah so I guess he's
trying to get there by memorythat they lose signal so they no
longer have like a gps ornothing like that.

(20:32):
He tries to look at like a papermap as they're approaching,
because he saw a driveway thathe could swear is his.
It wasn't like they ended upgetting creeped out because the
little girl's like dad, there'ssomeone there in this treehouse
and it's one of those same deerhuts or whatever they're called,
and there is a figure there.
There's somebody standing there.
We can only see the silhouette.

(20:52):
That ends up being derek and Iguess he was the son of dan, dan
being the man that we heardgrady, his dad, talking to back
when blake was a child, over theradio, saying like we gotta
kill that thing, that monster,whatever.
So derek obviously isapproximately around blake's age
.
Well, he obviously still livedthere.
Charlotte was getting all likespooked because she saw him

(21:14):
approaching and she's like, oh,lock the doors and it's like.
No, she was like he has a gunand he's like everyone has a gun
here like yeah, you're just acity girl you don't understand,
yeah, she's saying, but alsolike, yeah, that's a different
thing, people that live out inthe mountains and in the
terrains where they're huntingall day and there's, like,
animals that could possibly killyou, they're going to have guns
.
And which reminds me and weforgot to say this Remember when

(21:36):
the little boy Blake, when heasked his dad, what was that?
You know, when they were outwhere the deer thing is, the
creature at that time gotdistracted and didn't kill them
and the dad tried to lie to himand tell him it was a bear, when
we could tell by blake's facethat he knew damn well like a
bear, like that wasn't a bear.
And then when he overheard hisconversation, he kind of knew
already.
like, okay, there's somethingelse yeah, so anyways derrick

(21:57):
approaches and again, they don'teven get to the house, okay,
and she starts hitting the fanalready yeah, it gets night time
right.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
And then I think the part that just gets the ball
rolling is the moment that theyare on the road in the dark and
you just feel like something'sgonna pop up in the road and
sure enough, and mind youderrick is in the car with them
because they can't find blake'sdriveway.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
He's lost, basically he hasn't been there for a long
time.
So derrick goes in their movingvan right, and that's how we
find out a lot of things,because he starts like doing
small talk with the family.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
But yeah, like there's something that just
appears in the middle of theroad.
I just thought about it that'swhat people think is predictable
Like, oh, something popping upin the road.
So something pops up in themiddle of the darkness and

(22:48):
everyone's instinct, you know,was standing and all that.
I mean it was definitelystanding on two legs, yeah,
because they're in such a likenarrow terrain and it's all
forest and stuff.
The truck lit and it just hitssome trees and it's now like in
a really dangerous position,like levitating basically yeah,
they're like sideways stuckbetween two trees.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
They're like wedged.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
it was like a really bad accident and that's their
only form of transportation inthe middle of the nighttime and
they're in there hurt.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
And no signal.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah.
So that's what gets the ballrolling with all the action and
the terror yeah, the terror yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
It sucks because Derek was trying to be a
friendly neighbor and try to,you know, help them and of
course he's the first victim.
He, when they're stuck there, Idon't think they realize in
what position they're in,because the minute he tries to
open the door he flies out andhe falls.
And obviously that wasunexpected to them and to us,

(23:33):
but mostly them, because he fell.
That's when we also realizedthat they're sideways and wet,
so he falls to the ground.
They could still see him fromwhere he's at, but very quickly
they hear a noise and it soundslike a growling, like an
animalistic noise, and almostimmediately I like the fact that
they show blake's face and hehas a face of recognition,
because the face that he makesis like he recognizes that sound

(23:54):
, like it's something he's heardbefore.
Yeah, and of course us, becausewe just saw it, like we like
fast forwarded, like I don'tknow how many years later, we
recently heard it when he was alittle boy, so it was the same
noise that he heard.
So immediately he, he had apanic face and he tried his best
to like, call out to derrickand whatever, only to see him
dragged by something into thenight.

(24:14):
So he was trying his best totell the girls are you guys okay
, stay inside, you know whatever?
And he was trying to close thedoor.
So he's reaching over to thepassenger door, like he's trying
to hang on to, like, I guess, asteering wheel or something,
and he's trying to close thedoor, like for protection, so he
won't fly out or anybody elsewon't fly out.
He is able to close it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
There's an animal like thing that appears and like
tries to attack him and, ofcourse, scratches his arm and
this movie, like teaches usquickly that that scratch is
enough for like infection to gothrough right, like they didn't
have to be a bite.
It's not just like some curseor ritual, it's like germs.
Like the moment that the bloodand the claw like entered the

(24:54):
other human flesh, he started tofall ill and just it just
became like COVID or like adisease or whatever.
Like R is V.
The only thing that I couldthink of in the moment as I'm
watching it is like good thingthat it's delaying, because once
I realized that he was gettingsick, I knew immediately why.
I knew it was that cut, thatscene that you're talking about.

(25:15):
I knew that that's what causedhim to.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
You know, get sick and all that but I I was
grateful that it delayed andthat he was able to kind of help
them, like at least get to thehouse, I mean for what it's
worth, like he stood by them formost of it, I think, because,
yeah, at first he was just hurtand he was like still trying to
have them get to safety, whichwas really difficult because
they were stuck in a truck andhe had them climb out, which I
think I was like cringing thewhole time because I'm thinking

(25:38):
like, oh, my god, he's having alittle girl go out through the
window and then like climb outto the truck, like she's out
being vulnerable, this thing isoutside, I could snatch her.
Thankfully that didn't happen.
That I think because the animalwas like busy with derrick poor
derrick, um and then charlottewas next, like she climbed out
and then he was trying to getout.
They eventually got out andthey were like we need to make
it to the house.
So they were like runningbecause they were like down the

(26:00):
street, like they were likeliterally like right there,
almost they were running and ofcourse it was like so scary at
that moment, because I alwayshave this thinking of like
imagine you're being chased andyou're trying to open the door
with a damn key.
You know you're trying to openit and it's coming, you can see
it.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
You have to get in and close the door.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
It's literally that.
So like they're like trying toget into this house, like into
the house and they're openingwith a key and trying to get
three people in there withoutgetting killed and you can see
this creature running towardthem.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, it's like from the dark.
It's like lunging, like ananimal, like on.
He looked like he was runningon his on all fours.
Yeah, so they, they were ableto get in.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like the last second yeah, the last second they
locked the door and then youcould like pounding on the door,
trying to get in.
I don't know why that makes it100 times scarier.
We're in and whatever, but youhear something like pounding at
the door.
You feel like it's gonna breakthat door down and and like once
it comes in what, like it makesyou think back?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Blake.
He starts looking around so wecould see windows do have bars
there.
So obviously this is like thedad, like whatever, like he
installed this like bar systemon all the windows, thank
goodness, and we're talkingabout wrought iron bars.
Their house is looking likesouth central la in the 80s type
of bars.
So we're watching, we're likebasically like terrorized with
them.
You know, we can hear and seethe sounds of this creature just

(27:21):
going around and around theperimeter of the house, just
sounding like it's ready to finda way in, and it makes you feel
like, hey, how are we gonna getout of this?
Because remember when we firstsaw in the beginning, I was
thinking how are they gonna getout?
They can't call anyone.
The nearest neighbor just gotkilled.
Who knows if that person hadother family members?
Second, we already know thatthat animal comes out of the
daytime too.

(27:41):
This is not no nocturnal animal.
Only how are they going to getout of?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
this.
So once they're in there, I wasexpecting to see like a bunch
of guns.
Honestly, I thought that theson was going to go on survival
mode and like remember whereeverything's at in that house,
but it looks really vacant andthere's not a lot of hope in
arming him or the girls.
I was even surprised atfreaking radio work.
They did try to like contactsomeone but they never got a

(28:07):
connection and I think the onething he did do was like just
turn on the power of the house.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that was like a generator which I don't really
agree.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Like for me.
It gave me anxiety when I firstsaw that, because I'm like no,
I would rather be in the dark.
Yeah, like so, that way themonster doesn't see me.
So for me, I would rather hidein the shadows versus to have
the whole house lit up now, thebarn outside, and it's just like
too much light, like it'sattracting too much from the
wilderness.
You know, true, and thatincludes that thing, and
honestly, we, we can confirmthat there was only one threat.

(28:36):
But I was even thinking like isit gonna call?
Like other werewolves?
Like I was wondering if therewas more in the forest.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I'm like, well, now, with that light, now they're all
gonna come, I know but let mesay this, like I think that
that's like a normal thing tothink what you said, like I was
thinking the generator becauseof how noisy it was, but then I
was thinking, okay, well, theanimal already knows they're
there.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
So I mean, regardless of anything, okay, I know, yeah
, and then I was gonna say, likeprotagonist blake, once he
starts like falling ill and liketransforming.
I don't know if it's too earlyto say that, but that's
basically what's happening withthat cut we're already talking
about like infection that he'sgetting, you know, falling ill
and all that.
It's because he's starting tobecome like a werewolf too or a
wolfman.

(29:15):
What I'm getting at is that wesee that I guess I don't know
like wolves actually just seelike thermal, like that, like
basically light and dark.
They would know if there'ssomething there with the
heartbeat.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, they do show how, like through his eyes, how
he sees, and one of the symptomshow we said that he has
symptoms is that everythingstarts distorting so he can no
longer understand words and hecan no longer communicate with
the girls.
He obviously sees them, but hesees them in a weird, like other
dimensional type of way, andthis is how we learn also that

(29:47):
he has like night vision.
Basically now, because, like,we did jump ahead a little, but
there's something that a lot ofwe'll talk about, that she
wanted to say.
The reason we're bringing thisup is because, how a lot of said
, yeah, I think our instincts aspeople was like oh my god, like
turn off the light so theycan't see us.
But no, later on we see that he, he has night vision.
Um, and he could see becausethey show us what he's able to
see and like everything'silluminated.

(30:07):
There's a time that he'soutside and like the forest, how
charlotte sees it all blackwhen she's looking around and
can't find anything, we couldsee that he sees it like if
there's like light, it's likealmost like thermal not even
thermal it looks just likebright, it looks like like blue,
yeah like ultraviolet, likeit's not, like he could only see
, like it, like heat, likethermal, no he could see
everything like.
Everything like looks just likeneon or something.

(30:28):
But okay, go back to what youwere gonna say.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
His first symptom that was like really noticeable
it was like some really loudbangs in the house that he was
hearing, right, and then, and atfirst I think, we thought that
it was the monster enteringthrough, like the attic or
something, yeah.
But um, he ends up openingeverything up and there's no,
nothing, no sign of anything, nobreak-in, and it's upstairs,
yeah.

(30:51):
And then he opened a closet andthen he sees this ugly, ugly,
ugly spider, a giant spider Iwas thinking in my head I'm like
I am so happy I would not go tooregon another reason why I
wouldn't go, like I don't wantto see spiders like that huge
like times 10.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I already hate them little yeah, it didn't look like
a spider.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
It did not look like a tarantula, so it was not a
tarantula, it was like a giantass spider it was a forest
spider and it was like the legsmoving, which you know how they
have little fuzz, little hair,like to the human ear.
You can't hear nothing.
And what does it sound like?
Like little, like a littlecloth hitting the wall, like it
was light.
Their steps are light, I bet,but since he was starting to

(31:32):
convert into like ahypersensitive animal, like a
wolf, he was hearing those stepslike if they were bangs, so
that all along the bangs that hewas hearing were like light
steps of the spider likecrawling on the wall.
That a human will not be able tohear yeah, so it literally gave
me like quite like, like youknow, like when they show like
vampires also, you know, likesuper heightened senses, like

(31:53):
vision and all that.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, that was crazy I remember, minding of the 1994
movie called wolf that jacknicholson and michelle pfeiffer
came out in, which is one of myfavorite movies from back in the
day, because even thoughobviously this is like also a
very contemporary movie, eventhough it's not as new as this
and it took place like in a cityNew York they also show that
after him being bit he startsnoticing symptoms, and one of

(32:17):
them was a super heightened likeaudio yes, like he could hear
everything, and that's one ofthe things when he was working
in office, before he ever turnedinto a wolf or anything like
that, he could hearconversations in other rooms and
other floors across like thisbig building, and of course he
was using it to his advantage,etc.
Which made it kind of humorous.

(32:38):
It wasn't like a funny movie ornothing like that, but it was
kind of like what?
Also a sense of smell.
Smell he called out some peoplefor like drinking before work,
etc.
You know this before he turnedinto a wolf also.
So it reminded me of that.
This is like a totallydifferent movie, but also it has
to do with someone turning intoa werewolf.
So that movie I recommend aswell, listeners, if you guys
haven't already seen it.
1994 wolf, jack nicholson,michelle pfeiffer and director

(33:01):
was mike dickles.
All right, let's move on, okay.
So yes, he definitely startednoticing his heightened senses
and that was the first one thatkind of shocked him.
So the first thing we noticedis like you know, charlotte,
obviously she's worried anduseless about him and, um, she,
there is a time that they getattacked before he starts
turning into anything, becausethere's like a doggy door
outside, right, I mean a doggydoor like to a back door, that

(33:26):
the creature outside grabs himfrom the legs and pulls him,
like he doesn't pull him all theway out, but he attacks him and
it's like a scuffle and allthis stuff, right.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
So that part's scary and Charlotte intervened.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
So, yeah, so Charlotte, quick thinker, you
know, hopefully people willalways have other people's back
that way.
She does go and she stabs thehand and like hits it over and
over again, or stabs it over andover again, finally, let's go.
So I think, like the othergruesome part that sticks to my
mind is like after a while, thatshe took him upstairs or put
him on the bed or I don't knowwhat they did, you know, because

(33:57):
he's already not understandingher and not like being able to
communicate with her.
Obviously he's still lookingaround.
He knows he's sick.
I think she tells him can youwrite?
So she hands him like a pad andpaper because he can't talk.
They can't understand eachother.
It's really, it's crazy the waythey show it to us, because
they show it from him, likeshe's talking to him and it just
like muffled sounds, it'sdistorted, like he can't.

(34:26):
He is able to write and hewrites dying, and that only
makes charlotte like more scaredbecause she's like how the hell
?
How is this?
Was this a good idea?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
we should stay at home yeah, like I think she was
silent for a big part of themovie, like just kind of like
soaking everything in acceptingthe situation, but I could tell
she went from like she was likemad at one point.
I could tell she was like madand then like worried and then
she just felt like obligated,like like she just felt like
well, I'm in this position forno reason.

(34:54):
She was literally me, because Iwould be mad too.
Like even though the likesomething bad happened to all of
us and it's not his fault, Iwould have have been mad Like
well, we're here because of you.
Like she had like a littleattitude, of course, the cancer
and Laura will pop out.
But I think also like Herbiggest fear later is more her
realizing like, oh, I actuallyneed you, and raising this

(35:17):
daughter that like obviouslyloves you more than she loves me
.
Like I felt like she wanted it.
She didn't want to obviously toface the fact that he's dying
and that they were going to losehim Because she was like I'm
useless, like I can't take onall the things that you do.
I think she had like aself-doubt, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It was just I think it's just because of the
situation and then it's up andall off.
Okay, that's when she starts,like, taking away his bandages
and seeing like, oh my god, it'sgetting worse because she tries
to dress his cut.
But every time she opens itgets worse and worse and it got
to the point that he ate it.
Yes, he ate it, but like heopened it, but before he started
eating it it was alreadyfalling apart.
You could could see the bone,you could see his tendons, like

(35:57):
his skin was just Deteriorated.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, Like he had acid poured on it.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Mm-hmm, and he started drooling.
His teeth were already kind oflike popping out a little.
Yeah, at first they startedfalling out and then they
started coming out, like in thefront they started, they started
like getting weird like anamerican bulldog, yeah.
And then next thing, you know,we see him like scratching and
scratching and scratching at hiswound and it already gives us
goosebumps.
Like watching it.
We're like, oh, like, why is hedoing that?

(36:23):
I guess like he's feeling sometype of way.
But then he starts gnawing andthat's the part that we're like
what the hell actually?
Gnawing on his own arm and likebiting and like tearing pieces
off, like he's literally eatinglike a turkey freaking leg or
something yeah, I think for me,had I been in charlotte's
position, I would have kickedhim out.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I would have kicked him out like way early on, even
if it sounds messed up, becausehe still had, I guess, life in
him.
But I would have gotten thegist that I think I would have
too.
I think I'm like, no, I'm sorryhe's a threat to us now because
he's like doing weird stuff andit's just like, look, you're
better out there with the otherfriend, the other creature, you

(37:03):
leave us alone.
So it was sad and for thatreason that you could tell like
she started.
The family started to getscared of him, but they didn't
want to leave him, they didn'twant to desert him.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
But I'm just saying I would yeah, and like at that
time they still went outsidebecause she spotted I'm kind of
like not, why did you do that?
Face, what face you right now.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
You made an ugly face .
You scared me.
I thought you heard something.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
You saw something right now no, I think it's what
I was thinking.
What were you thinking?
No, no, I was just.
What I was thinking was like Idon't remember since we're not
going chronologically because Idon't know chronological anymore
um, when they're out in thetruck, like there's a part that,
like she doesn't know what todo, yeah, but she remembers
coming across the keys of thetruck, so she has a bad idea to

(37:49):
like try to flee in the car yeah, because there's like an old
ass truck that you could tellthat it has not been moved in
God knows how long, sittingthere.
So, good, thinking her.
She tries to, like you know,think of an idea and they go to
the truck.
It's all three of them, it'sCharlotte, the daughter and
Blake, which is like all youknow.
He can't, like I said, can'tunderstand them, see them all

(38:10):
weird.
They go in the car and shetries to start it.
She weird.
They go in the car and shetries to start it.
She brings, like she, she'slike clever enough to bring like
a battery, like the littlestarter and stuff, so she tries
to start the car.
It doesn't want to start, itdoesn't want to start.
Of course she goes, plugs inthis um thing to maybe jump
start it and she's trying herbest and then somehow suddenly
it actually turns on, it haslife, and she's like, oh, my god

(38:33):
, thank god.
So the whole time we're likecreeped out because she's
outside, she has her daughterand blake in the back, like
laying down yep and um, but he'salready at one of his worst
points.
Yeah, he's like bad like he'sjust he looks already like
really bad.
She's able to turn on the carand they're about to go, but
then, like the windshield isdirty, so she puts the wiper on

(38:56):
and I think we all saw this,because even in the trailer I
think they had this part right,where she sees the creature and
he lunges toward her and, yes,he breaks through the window and
they're screaming, everybody'sscreaming, whatever.
The only reason they're able toget out is because he gets
stuck with his arm in the thewindshield and they run.

(39:18):
But instead of running, I guessthe nearest place that they
could run to is like thegreenhouse, right?
they clam on the roof yeah, soit has like a white tent over.
So they run up there andthey're just trying to like hang
on to dear life.
They're up and this creature'strying to get them.
He goes in the greenhouse.
He's like from under trying tolike pull them open.
Of course we have a scarymoment where the little girl

(39:38):
falls through it almost and thenthey grab her.
So there's a lot of little jumpscares throughout this, but
they're like yeah, like they'remerited, like it's not like a
jump scare and it was nothing,because shit's actually
happening back to back.
So I guess, like, like you know, he's trying to protect them.
You know he's trying to, eventhough, like he can't understand
or talk to them.
He somehow points like for themto go in the house and then he

(40:01):
jumps off and of course thelittle girl's like no, you know
whatever, like mom, whatever,and she's like no, like let's
run, so like she forces her andthey go into the house and again
she's trying to like open thedamn thing.
Because I'm like why do theylock that shit?
I know that was so dumb oh mygod, yeah, so they like they
finally get in there.
But you could hear and that'sthe thing like I think that
that's another thing that bringsus like fear, because we could

(40:23):
hear what's happening and we'relike in there with charlotte and
ginger, we're like listeningwith them, like all the shit
that's happening outside.
We could hear like all this,like um, fighting, and it sounds
like like we're thinking likeis it dad getting killed?
Is like, is he?
Like like what's happening?
So the little girl, she's liketripping on her mom, like mom,

(40:46):
you left them out there and thisand that, but she's like trying
to explain to her daughter Imean, because obviously
charlotte knows like he'sturning into something yeah

Speaker 1 (40:53):
but the little girl's still like oh, my dad's sick,
you know he goes in, and whenthey let him in, he's already
inside and but again, likethat's debatable whether that's
that was the right decision,because I don't think I would
have let him in at that point,no more.
But it's because he ended upbattling, like doing a
one-on-one with the othercreature and bingo, that's what
he needed to do from the start.
I feel like, just well, I thinkhe was ready in the beginning

(41:15):
but still like he needed to dothat.
He should have sacrificedhimself to be like a distraction
that ends up working and afterhe like kind of wins that little
mini battle, that's when thedad goes back to the house and
is trying to go back in.
They let him in, but at thatpoint that's when he starts like
gnawing at himself and I thinkhe has like a moment of
self-reflection where heacknowledges that he's now going

(41:36):
to be a threat to his family.
So it looks like he voluntarilyleft the house, but as he
opened the door the other thingwas already standing there like
lunging inside the house.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
So then it turned into another battle inside and
like when was it that he spitout like a finger?
Remember he spit.
I think that's when he realizedafter, after that battle so
while they were in the battle,like they end up killing the
other one right, which is areally important moment it's a
story why they because when theyfinally kill him they battled
the werewolf like bit the neckof the other one.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
So yeah, like an animal kill like.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Obviously, by now I think it's plain for all of us
to see that blake is now afull-fledged like animal like
him, because he's able to winand able to kill the other
creature that started all thisin the first place.
So they have him dead in themiddle of the damn kitchen.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
The protagonist blake , who's already basically like
90, transformed into a werewolf,is looking at who he killed and
he notices he identifies like atattoo on the on the creature
and the tattoo is none otherthan the last name of their
family and they showed us in thebeginning of the movie.
His dad had a tattoo on his arm.

(42:46):
So it's kind of like abittersweet moment because he
got what he wanted, in a waylike to see him one more time,
but it's a messed up thingbecause he killed him.
He basically like he realizedhis dad got lost to the disease
and now he knows like, oh, I'mon the same path and and he
killed him.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
That killed him.
Yeah, he killed his own dad.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I'm sure there was like a rush of emotions, even
though he's churning alreadyinto this creature but I feel
like I said bittersweet onlybecause, like I think he made me
feel like, oh, I brought himpeace, like he actually like
died now you know.
So like at that time he doesleave.
And then charlotte, like shemust have known about the tattoo
or she just pieced it togetherbecause she noticed tattoo as
well, and then she told herdaughter like I mean, that was

(43:27):
her last name lavelle.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, so that part was crazy.
I mean, we kind of knew that itlike confirmed our fears, you
know.
So then, like he leaves outsideand the girls are just stuck
there and they're trying tofigure out like how the hell
they're gonna leave.
When he goes outside, remember,he starts getting worse, like
transforming more.
So when he leaves, it's becausehe feels himself getting worse,
becoming more animalistic.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
He was about to kill charlotte at one point, but then
he like caught himself so rightbefore him going outside, he's
already super aggressive.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
At that moment, when he, like he almost doesn't
recognize them anymore.
The daughter does the thing oflike tell me, dad, tell me what
am I, what am I thinking rightnow and what am I saying, and
this, and that usually it'll bethe other way around.
He would like say, oh, tell mewhat I'm thinking, and she would
put, like, her hand on hisforehead or vice versa, and she
would say what was the thingthat she would always say to him

(44:19):
I love my little girl so much.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
And then they would say like oh, you read mind yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So that was like they're like inside like little
things that they used to alwaysdo.
So she was to dad tell like Iknow what you're thinking, tell
me what you're thinking rightnow.
Like she was trying to force athim but she already knew like
he couldn't even talk anymore,but then he just kind of like
like is it like theaggressiveness kind of like left
him for a moment and he kind oflike went into himself.
So he kind of like wentbackwards, but then charlotte
also, he almost attacked her butthen, like he caught himself

(44:46):
and he already knew like okay, Ineed to get the hell out of
here.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
So he like left because that's what he was gonna
do, like like moments ago,before the, the dad as the
werewolf had entered, like healready had acknowledged that he
was the new threat.
Now he leaves, or whatever.
But I think, like the animalinstinct just took over him and
somehow he was just reallyreally compelled to like go back
with them, probably to eat them.

(45:09):
But I don't know if it was likea mixture of, like his old self
wanting to be with his familyand I don't think so.
I think it was the animalistic,because he just kept trying to
go back to them and I'm likewhat do you want them?
For.
But before they went in, likego hunt, like I mean go kill
like a deer or something youknow like, he obviously had the
like, the audio and the site tolike go hunt in the wilderness,

(45:29):
now that he was outside, but heknew that they were in there.
I remember he he entered thehouse to get to the front Right
or the attic or something, butbefore all that.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I want to get to the point that when he was outside,
almost completed atransformation Like we never see
him like turn into afull-fledged wolf like other
werewolf movies, but you do seehis bones contorting and being
like his knuckles and everythinglike looking like he has
arthritis and like getting allbig and gross and and everything

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like looking like he hasarthritis and like getting all
big and gross.
And then like his nails falloff.
The same way as his teeth werefalling off, his nails fell off
and like these other claws camein.
So like he did do moretransforming after that out when
he was outside, for like hischeekbones and like his face
kind of distorted even more too.
So all this was happening whilehe was outside.
And then like his chest, likehis, his body looked just like
different.
He looked all swollen, like hisnose was turning into like a
muzzle, you know almost, but hestill looked like human or

(46:22):
humanoid, like it wasn't, likehe turned into an animal animal.
So yeah, he basically didtransform into werewolf status
and, like I was saying, he wastrying to get inside.
They were trying to not let himback inside, but he was able to
enter through somewhere andagain, we can't see him.
Charlotte and his daughtercouldn't see him, but he could

(46:42):
see, so he was able to enter.
So they do show a part wherehe's like really visible.
He's like right next to Gingerand then I don't know like he
was actually gonna attack themor, like you said, he just
wanted to be in there.
But at that point he's nolonger blake.
So, charlotte, I think shereacts and she screams and she
tells ginger run or whatever,because he was like right next

(47:03):
to her, just like squatting downor something right, but he was
already fully.
It's safe to say that he's nolonger blake.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I don't know.
I think it's debatable, likepeople who are watching the
movie could see how theyinterpret it, because I still
think it was like half and half,which is what was making it
like confusing, and because hewas hard I think as charlotte
and the family.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yeah, because he was next to ginger, like he could
have attacked her but he wasjust squatting down.
So like I think he was likekind of like a, like a.
You know how a rabid dog wouldbe, like if you get close to him
he's gonna bite you and he'llgrowl at you, like if you have
in the room but like let's sayhe was your dog at one point,
maybe he won't bite you.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I don't know, like I don't know who's kind of one of
those things but it's like youdon't want to risk it, you don't
want to find out.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
But obviously like.
He's not the same.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
No more like basically no, yeah, like he
can't think like a human beinganymore so this whole encounter
causes them to flee the housebecause now they don't have a
safe space or like encloseddoors where there's like that
division between the wolf andthe family.
So they end up going to likethe next structure, which is the
barn across the little house.
But it's the same situationthat he ends up going in there

(48:10):
and again they're challengedwith, like the lack of light and
all that, and and he could seeperfectly.
So the same exact thinghappened, it's just that this
time he slowed down because heends up stepping on a bear trap,
which is scary, because itcould have been someone else who
stepped on it.
Yeah, so it's good, it's a goodthing that it was him, which
gives them a head start tocontinue to flee and run away.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
At this time, when he's stuck in this bear trap,
which obviously his dad putthere for that purpose.
Why would a bear trap be inthere?
Like, obviously it was for that.
It was a booby trap.
So like he actually got caughtin it and the girls do flee.
And he's trying to pull andpull and pull, but he can't.
And because he's alreadyanimalistic style, like he
doesn't have the capacity toknow how to open it, Like a

(48:55):
human will be like, oh, youpress this button and you
release it.
He doesn't know how to do that.
At that time he's pulling hisleg.
He's pulling his leg and theonly thing that I guess he
resorts to, like a lot of wildanimals do, is to start gnawing
at their own leg to like releasethemselves.
So obviously he cannot gnaw atthis iron trap, but he starts
gnawing at his leg and we don'tthink necessarily that he's

(49:19):
going to break free from it.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
But lo and behold, he does it was so bad and I
initially thought that him beingentertained, you know, with
that leg, was going to take moretime.
So I was like, okay, good forthe family, they could continue
running.
Like, okay, good for that, thefamily, they could continue
running.
And I most definitely thoughtthat it was a good thing that he
was in that position, becausemost definitely he was going to
be slowed and it was just goingto set him back from chasing

(49:43):
them through the forest.
But no, somehow, veryunrealistically, he's like
running like in full force, likeif he has turbo on him and he's
actually using all fours atthat time.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, but think of it one leg has like bone exposed.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, like, yeah, I thought it was in slow him down
and it didn't.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I mean it's a little down, but very briefly yeah but,
by that time the girls were inthe forest left, like the area
of like, where the home and allthat was.
Yeah, she took the gun.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Well, because they ended up in their crash site.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And then derek, when he died he had a gun and they
found it so like when they'rerunning for their life, they
come across their old truckthat's still stuck up in the
trees and the dead body of derekalong with his rifle.
Thankfully, little girlstumbles.
Like all that part's like, ohlike.
It gets you all nervous becauseyou know they're trying to get
away.
And of course you people falldown when they're scared and

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running in the forest and theycan't see they're trying to get
to safety and they see that samehunting deer little treehouse
thing.
So they climb up in there andalmost the exact same thing
happens.
Like they're up there, they'retrying to hide.
They obviously know the dadknows they're up there.
The mom at this point,charlotte, she knows that she's

(50:58):
gonna have to like maybe killhim.
And he's climbing.
So again we could see thebreath up on top, the same as
when blake was little thedifference is, at this time he
does show, like his hands in hisface.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
He does face them and again, I'm still not entirely
sure if, like, there's a part ofhim that's still like compelled
to them only because it's theold human in him, like knowing
it's his family and he wants tolike be with them, or if he's
there because he wants to eatthem, because he everything is
delayed, like he just doesn'tact so you don't know if he's
thinking or trying to think, Iknow yeah, but I could tell that

(51:31):
charlotte, I could tell thather biggest hesitation was that
little girl, like I don't thinkshe wanted to do anything
because she knew, like I don'ttraumatize you, I don't want to
like be left alone, like withher, and to raise I don't think
that was.
No, I don't think that was yeah,I think so because she was very
unsure of herself from thestart.
So I think that was her too,like just accepting, like okay,

(51:53):
is he really gone and do Ireally have to shoot him or is
he gonna leave us alone?
But then the little girl gave,I think, the mom the reassurance
that she needed all along.
She's like he wanted to, shewanted to be over, and I feel
like her saying that in thatmoment in time was so crucial
because it gave her theconfidence to shoot his ass when
she needed to, because if not,I think they would have died.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah I think they would have died.
But I also to see it like.
I know you already said theclimax right now.
I wanted to talk about itbefore we said that part, but I,
um, I feel like she washesitant because she didn't want
to shoot, be the one to shoothim and have her daughter resent
her for shooting him.
You know how in the beginningshe was like mom, but but he's

(52:35):
sick, how could we leave him?
You left him and then she evenhad to go and say he was trying
to protect you.
He wanted us to come in thehouse.
That's the reason.
So then the daughter, oh, like,accepted that, like, okay, like
she understood.
But the mom had to point thatout.
So I think she felt like if itwould, would have been hurt by
herself, she would have shot himalready.
But because she didn't want toshoot him in front of her
daughter and her being the oneto blame, or her daughter, like,

(52:58):
resenting her, thinking likeyou shot my dad in the face, you
know something like that somaybe it was a combination of
all these things.
You know the daughter had to sayit like she.
You know the daughter had tosay it for her to basically give
her the green light.
So okay, let's shoot him and,yeah, she finally shot him and
so maybe like there was a partof him that understood like this
happened.
And I don't want to be likethis.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
But that's the end, like basically, that's the end,
like they ended, I guess, thecurse.
Hopefully he was the last oneof his kind, hopefully, but we
don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Let's go back to the very beginning.
Remember how, like the littleintro that they showed us, yeah.
Saying how, in 1990, something,there was a hitchhiker.
Hitchhiker, there was a.
There was a what do they callhim a hiker?
A hiker that was lost in thewoods and that he got something
that people called forest feverforest fever.
But then they actually add butthe natives that lived there

(53:47):
called it and they said there'ssomething in a native language
and it translates to wolf face.
So there was like a, a disease.
It sounds like almost like itwasn't something like.
I mean, is it only passed downfrom wolf to wolf to wolf, or
was it something you could justcatch by being in the wilderness
so long?
Like, how did the dad catch it?
We don't, we don't know thatpart, but maybe because he was
so adamant about catching theother one, maybe he did catch

(54:09):
him, but maybe he got bit orlike scratched and he became one
but like obviously we know thatblake was scratched and then he
got it like he caughtcontagious or whatever.
But the differences about likethe other wolf movies that we've
seen is that the moon hassomething to do with it.
The moon makes it come out, itbrings out like total
transformation.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
This has nothing to do with the moon.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
This is just like you became this creature, and the
closest thing to this creaturewould be a wolf, based on what
the natives were describing wolfface, but I mean, it was just a
beast like basically so yeah,it's a wolf man, but it's a
werewolf, nothing like the oldschool.
You need a silver bullet to killit, or it only comes out of the
full moon none of those thingsso I mean, in that case it is
different, different twist thanthe ones that we've seen in the

(54:50):
past, but overall, what'd youthink of the?

Speaker 1 (54:52):
movie.
I thought it was reallyentertaining from beginning to
end actually, and I'm trying togive it a scary rating, like how
I always ask you, like what'sthe scare factor to the movie.
I'm thinking I'm gonna give ita, not the movie rating but, how
I always say, the scare factor.
Again, I'm gonna give it a 6out of 10 because for me I
didn't feel like there was a lotof jump scares or moments where

(55:15):
I had to close my eyes there.
There was a few, but not itwasn't like a heavy thing in the
movie that I was like oh my god, this is terrifying, like this
is scary.
It wasn't, and that's why Iinitially said that for me this
film kind of deviates to anothergenre which would be more
thriller and like fantasy ratherthan just scary and horror,

(55:36):
because it's it's not just that,even like the gruesome part,
like it's not that bad.
So I would say six out of tenlike scary, or it's up there
with the big dogs, either withlike horror, horror and scary,
if that makes any sense.
But it's subjective.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
This is my opinion yeah, I mean we already know
that there's like an umbrellahorror, but there's different
genres of horror or sub genresor whatever.
This is obviously like the oldschool, like monster, yeah, so
like this is like obviously likea monster movie.
So it goes back to like this isone of the original monster
movies that we had back in theday, like Dracula, the Wolfman

(56:12):
or the Mummy, like Frankenstein,frankenstein, the wolfman or
the mummy, like frankenstein,frankenstein, yeah, like, like.
Those were like the originalmonster movies that were created
that everybody knew about andthey're known worldwide.
So before there was anythingparanormal like horror, and
before there was any likezombies and this and this, and
that these were like the classicmonster movies.

(56:32):
Keeping that in mind, I do likethat they rebooted this movie.
I mean it's been done indifferent ways, just as like the
classic monster movies.
Keeping that in mind, I do likethat they rebooted this movie.
I mean it's been done indifferent ways, just as like the
vampire movies, just like howmany?
There's like a dime, a dozen.
There's like so many there arethey all good?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
no, but there's a lot of them werewolf movies.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
There's a lot of them , not as many as vampire movies,
but there's several throughoutthe decades that have been made,
but even though, like some ofthe ratings like we said
mentioned earlier, like are notthat good.
I'm not sure why I find thatthis movie was really good and
it's not just in the horror sideof it because, like you said,
it's not like super, likefrightening, frightening.
But I do disagree with the jumpscares because I thought there

(57:10):
was a lot of jump scares, butmaybe that's just like I was not
expecting that many jump scaresyou know what I think.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
For me too, it's like a psychological thing when I
when I'm referring to the jumpscares, for me, like effective
jump scares are like theparanormal ones that are really
scary that would be ugly, like ademon or a ghost.
But because I knew this moviedidn't have that, maybe that's
why I wasn't so scared watchingit, because, like you said, like
it's a monster, so like.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
That's why I'm saying it's subjective, it's
subjective yeah, I mean because,like I said, I mean I, I like
paranormal movies a little bitmore, but I like the genre of
like a lot of the werewolfmovies that I've seen.
I like them and that'ssomething that's new for me to
acknowledge, because I do likeI'm thinking about the ones that
I've seen in the past and Ilike them.
All, you know, to me, I, I feltlike it did have a lot of jump

(57:59):
scares.
There was just like we're likethat.
I, I felt myself actuallyliterally jump, like.
I jumped like, oh my god, oh mygod, like this, and it was
almost since the very beginningokay, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I didn't experience that, but maybe because I wasn't
that afraid because of the factthat I knew the nature of the
movie.
Yeah, and like, on the contrary, like a really effective jump
scare for me would be when I'mwatching the nun and then I am
like, oh my gosh, she's about topop out.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Like, yeah, because it's a different feel, for sure.
I mean, like when it'sparanormal it's a definitely a
different feel, but I mean, butit doesn't stop it from being
jump scares, like I guess, likefor me it made me jump, so I
really liked it, though, like,nonetheless, it was really good.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
I'm just saying like scary wise.
No, like I feel like you couldwatch it with someone who's a
chicken.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
No, you can yeah, like it is like, uh, like you
don't have to be a horror fan toenjoy this movie.
You don't like?
That's something that like it's.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
It also has like thriller and I and I love
thrillers, so for me it was likeup there.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I really don't understand the ratings either of
others that put it poorly, butI know but I mean they're mixed
because there's some that likespeak very highly on it and
maybe it didn't do as well, likein the box office or with
reviews, because it was so closeto nosferatu that I think
people were still on thenosferatu vibe that when this
came out it kind of like paledin comparison because people

(59:17):
were more into like the movieyeah.
So maybe it affected like thebox office um tickets, but I
mean I would definitely watchthis movie again.
I did enjoy this moviethoroughly and, as a matter of
fact, I recommended it todaybecause I had just it was still
fresh in my mind, so I stillrecommended it today.
So, for all you listeners, Igive it an a plus.
I do really like it, especiallyif you are into monster movies.

(59:40):
Like for a monster movie, it'snot just a monster movie, like
we said, like there's a lot ofdynamic and things that we could
like see within the storylinefor me.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I'm a little slower with guessing what's gonna
happen and stuff, but I know youfor a fact.
You had already picked up likethe twist because you had
mentioned it like not even athird of the movie in, and then
that's one of the one of thethings that they're docking off
points of the movie, right, thatit's so predictable.
So you could let us know if youthink it was predictable or if

(01:00:09):
you think it had those traitsthat were like too cliche.
I didn't pick that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
I don't pick up on that, but I'm slow, so I mean, I
think the only reason I pick upon things like that is because
I'm a very avid movie watcher ingeneral, not just horror, but
in general.
But you let us know it's stillgood.
So, and let us know what youthink.
Yeah, so, hopefully, um, youguys check it out.
So you guys let us know if youguys liked it.
And now we're gonna take you toour scary story.

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Stay tuned, okay.
So now we're going to beginwith our true scary story, and
this scary story is actuallygoing to come from our own Laura

(01:00:57):
.
We did mention last episodethat Laura was on her little
vacay.
Her story actually happenedwhile she was out there, so this
is very recent am.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I right Laura yes, so this occurrence happened within
the last week.
It's very recent, as she justsaid.
It happened while I was inMexico, in the Yucatan Peninsula
, cancun whatever.
Cancun is right away.
Why did I think it was likenear Oaxaca or by Oaxaca, I
don't know.
You need to look at a map.
Americans are the worst atgeography.
We know that and you're proof.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
You're proof?
No, okay, is it?
Maybe it is, is it no?

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
holy, it's in the peninsula of yucatan.
That doesn't mean what is thequestion you want to answer
right now, how close it is.
Is it to oaxaca?
Because I don't say, search upa map, while I ask siri, cancun
is in the yucatan peninsula, butdamn see, I'm out myself now
because I I'm blanking out onthe word.
No, is it the state?
I don't, yeah, yeah, I'm likemaybe I'm being dumb right now
too, but it's like cancun comma,and then quintana roo, oh,
quintana roo, okay, but I saidyucatan because that's like the

(01:01:59):
bigger part, yeah, the peninsulano but I'm telling you like
translating it to like inglewoodcomma california, california.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
But you know, like la we're in southern california
and we're in la county I'mtrying to see, like where
yucatan fits into that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
I know Cancun is like the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Inglewood.
Just the fact that you saidpeninsula, I know that it's a
region, it's like a geographicallike region and nothing to do
with states or cities.
No, but it is Yucatan, is there?

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
too though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
No well, yucatan is probably in there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, but you're like Oaxaca is far away from it.
Guatemala is basically inbetween.
Nah, nah, basically it might aswell be almost in between
Yucatan and Oaxaca, all the wayover here.
Guatemala is in between,basically.
That's where you fit into thestereotype of Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
But how could it be in between if both sides are
Mexico?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
I said basically because the little thing that
goes over here to like Honduras,Nicaragua.
The Guatemala is right here,yucatan is this and Oaxaca is
all the way over here.
To like Honduras, nicaragua,the Guatemala's right here,
yucatan is this and Oaxaca isover here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, it's closer to Mexico City To keep it simple.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
I was visiting Cancun and during my stay there, I
stayed at a resort called FiestaAmericana Condesa, and the room
that we were given was roomnumber 567.
I'm gonna throw it out therebecause I don't know.
It just seems interesting.
I don't think my experience hasanything to do with it, but if

(01:03:21):
you want to think about likeluck and numbers I don't know
Consecutive numbers right therewhat does that mean?
I don't know?
567.
When you're planning a trip,you always hope for the best and
you hope that all the plans arealigned.
Yeah, like you want everythingto run smoothly.
And unfortunately, leading upto my trip, I was under the
weather, so I had to recoverreally fast and, with that in

(01:03:45):
mind, some of my stay, you know,over there was a little hazy,
but I wasn't giving it too muchimportance or anything, because
I wanted to be more okay thanthan not.
so I wanted to, you know, reallymanifest that you were helping
yeah and I wanted to embrace youknow everything and just be in
the moment.
Nonetheless, I will say therewas parts of my trip that are

(01:04:06):
like a little hazy and I didn'tfeel 110, but still like I had a
great time and the only reasonwhy I'm bringing this up is
because part of my fast recoveryand and being able to, to be
okay, you know, to even fly andall that and just you know, be
with the spirits of traveling.
I was under medication.
I had, you know, a fewantibiotics, a few pills to take

(01:04:29):
and, yeah, like coming fromsomeone who doesn't regularly
take medicine, even like asimple Tylenol like I, just I
won't be the first to take it.
It has to be like a veryspecial case of like cramps or
something that maybe I'll takeit.
Yeah, I felt like a lot of themedicine, like taking it
collectively all at once.
It was hard on my body.

(01:04:49):
It made me feel better.
Now that you have a backstory ofwhat my mental state was during
that time in Mexico, it'simportant to note again, it's a
little hazy.
I wonder if the medicine that Iwas taking altered my
perspective and what Iexperienced, and I also want to
say that I completely forgotthat all of this happened up

(01:05:13):
until I was home.
And I was kind of just you knowhow everyone does when you're
back, like retelling what youdid, explaining the highlights
of your trip, and then like Ithink if my boyfriend would have
never said anything, I think Iwould have probably completely
forgot, like exactly whathappened one night.
And I'm kind of happy that hebrought it up, because now I was

(01:05:35):
able to tell others.
And then now it's like okay, Ican't forget this.
So if that makes any sense, no,I'm just kidding.
I just I'll put it in simpleterms I forgot that it happened,
but the next morning I saidwhat happened.
So that's the only reason whyhe knows that that this happened
.
So, whatever, when we'retalking about the trip and all
that, it just came up.

(01:05:56):
He thought I was referring tothat night and I was like wait,
I completely forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
So when he reminded you, did like, like the memory
just like rushed back into yourhead, or were you like, oh yeah,
I remember little by little no,no, no, not little by little,
it was just like a switch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
It's like a memory that is in my head, but it
wasn't up until someone it feltlike I was under a spell, like
he like broke my spell that's sogreat, like it suddenly just
all was there.
I'm like, oh yeah, that happened.
Okay.
So in this room, five, six,seven, we were sleeping, but I
was having a really hard timesleeping most nights and that

(01:06:33):
night was no different.
So when I say we, I just meant,I just mean to say it was time
to go to sleep, like we were inbed.
So I wasn't freaked out by thefact that I had insomnia,
because I had already expectedthat that would be a side effect
to all of the medicine that Iwas taking.
So it was just something that Iwas just dealing with, and the
what makes this story creepy, orwhat makes it scary, is the

(01:06:55):
fact that I was the only oneawake.
So next to me I could clearlysee, like my boyfriend, like a
statue, like just still he wasout, and I know that for a fact,
because now we would haveprobably been chit-chatting
still, and the tv was off, thelights were off, like I know
that it was just me awake.
And what time was it?
it was I don't know I have noidea I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Like you, had you guys just gone to sleep, or was
it like?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
maybe like midnight one, I don't know, I think
midnight one or two, like those,that that little gap of three
hours.
It might have been somewhere inthat time, but I wasn't on my
phone or anything.
I wanted to go to sleep, thatwas my goal and I didn't want
any distractions.
So my eyes were shut, but I waswide awake, if that makes any
sense.
So I was trying to get myselfthere and then I remember

(01:07:38):
hearing him shout.
I don't remember right now whathe said, like I can't tell you.
Like this is what I heard himsay, but I know that it was his
voice and I know that hescreamed.
So, like, has anyone in theaudience ever like woken up?
And you kind of like you don'tknow what woke you up, but you
know that it was a sound.
There was a sound that justhappened and you're kind of like
it's kind of like a echo of asound that maybe happened, but

(01:08:01):
you're just not sure because nowit's silent.
Yeah, so that's the feelingthat I had.
But since I was awake, I didhear his voice, I did hear him
shout, but something up in melike I just knew it wasn't him,
and I guess that's what makes mystory weird because was I
scared?
Did I think it was a ghost?
No, I honestly thought I'm justtripping, because I know that

(01:08:24):
he's dead asleep.
Why would he shout anything?
And yeah, it caused me to openmy eyes and I kind of seen I
didn't even turn to look hisdirection.
That's how confident I was thatit was just my imagination or
like a meeting, because I justsaw from my peripheral vision he
was still in the same position.
It was not like he was up ortrying to talk to me.
Now I was like, yeah, I don'tthink that happened, but that's

(01:08:45):
an auditory thing that Iexperienced.
I heard his voice and I heardhim shout, like he said
something, but I'm like, no, hedidn't say anything.
Like he's asleep.
So in that same time period,like almost right away since my
eyes were open now, I was juststaring at our room in the dark
and, like looking at the ceiling, there happened to be a mirror,
those long mirrors that youcould see your whole outfit like

(01:09:06):
a full length, basicallyagainst the wall.
But the way the room wasarranged, it's the bed and then
in front there's that wall withI, that door that leads to the
other room, and on top of therewas that full-length mirror.
So from where I'm laying downsince I'm to the right side of
the bed I'm the closest to themirror.
Therefore I could see, like thereflection that the mirror's
casting, and I see a woman inthe reflection.

(01:09:29):
It's still that same feeling oflike I don't think this is real
.
Or like Still that same feelingof like I don't think this is
real, or like I think I'mtripping and that's the only
reason why I bring up the wholething.
Of like I was sick and I wastaking medication, it was hard
on me, like that's the onlyreason why I bring that up,
because I didn't have thoseimmediate feelings of fear.
Or like this shit is hauntedand what the fuck?

(01:09:51):
Like there's someone in ourroom.
I never thought that.
I just saw you know thereflection and I the fuck like
there's someone in our room.
I never thought that.
I just saw you know thereflection.
And I'll tell you what myimmediate thought process was
like.
Okay, I need to close my eyesand get my ass to sleep, because
the sooner I fall asleep I'mnot gonna hear shit, I'm not
gonna see anything, so I'm safe.
But in the reflection let meget a little bit more detailed
now the woman was standing rightin front of the mirror and I

(01:10:13):
could see her whole outfit.
I could see her, but it wasonly her reflection.
So I didn't never saw like aperson in the room with us and I
think that may have played apart in why I wasn't scared,
because I knew that I didn't seeanyone else.
So I just saw the reflectionand I'm like yeah, like it's in
there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
I don't know, I'm not sure how that makes it less
scary, but go on.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
I saw her like for like a like I want to say like a
scene, like if we're in moviesor whatever, like I had there
was a scene of her in the shot,but then I didn't bother to
check if she was still there.
I don't think she was stillthere anymore, like after I
moved around, but I just I justwanted to go to sleep, like I'm
like this is what and everything, if I'm just knocked out like
the way homeboy is over herenext to me, like I want to be
like that.
But she was dressed in purple.

(01:10:54):
She had like some type of veilon her head and the best way I
could describe it is like thehindu girls that have like like
the belly dancers, like theyhave like princess jasmine, like
pants with like the crop top.
She looked like that, like sheeven had like little gold
jewelry, like um hanging at thewaist, like she looked like a
hindu girl and my favorite coloris purple and she didn't say

(01:11:14):
nothing.
She didn't do nothing.
But I saw that I heard.
Was she looking at herself inthe mirror or she's looking
toward you, what?
I think she was looking atherself, but keep in mind, like
I'm in the dark.
So I saw, like I saw, this inthe dark, and this whole
experience, I think, scared meprogressing on to the trip.
Another day I was in therestroom sink but, like you know
how some hotel rooms arearranged, where like the only

(01:11:37):
private part is the shower andthe bathroom but the sink and
the mirror is, like, still partof the room yeah so that's,
that's how this room, this, uh,where we stayed at, that's how
it was so technically, like meand my boyfriend in the same
vicinity you know what I meanlike it's not like we had like a
wall or like a door to separateus, we had like a half wall and
that's where I was in front of.
I was in front of the mirror Idon't know if I was brushing my

(01:11:58):
teeth or whatever, I was in thesink but he was just right on
the other side on the bed on hisphone and I heard him say
something to me again and I waslike, and it was his voice, and
I asked him if he had saidsomething.
And I tell me, you just saidsomething right now.
And he's like no, I didn't, Iwasn't talking to you, I didn't
say anything.
And I was like I just I justheard someone say something like
in the room and it sounded likeit was in our room, like really

(01:12:21):
crisp.
If you ask me, what was it?
I forgot already like I don'tknow, but he told me it's not
like his voice or just a voice.
It sounded like this time.
It sounded like just someonesaid something like a vivid
voice, but I just categorized itas like it must have been.
It should have been him.
Who else?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
you know, not necessarily did it sound like
him specifically, but like a manlike a man, yeah, so that's why
I'm like, oh, it's him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
But once I realized he didn't tell me anything, he
was in silence.
Basically, I was like what I'mlike?
Because I I feel like I heardyou, like I thought you said
something, so that's anotherthing that happened.
So I don't know, as you may ormay not know, mexico and the
employees and all of that, likejust the especially like hotels
and all that.
They're known for theirhospitality and they're always

(01:13:04):
trying to complacerte and makesure, yeah, be very
accommodating.
So it's not like a big surprisethat they're gonna inquire
about how your trip is and allthat.
But we did have an excess inemployees all the way from like
front desk to employees justpassing through in the hotel,
down to people in the buffet,like in the food part of the

(01:13:28):
hotel, asking us if our room wasokay, if we had any problems,
if everything was okay, but tothe point that sometimes some
workers would almost be likefishing, like like they wanted
us to reply like, oh well, well,can we have?
Like maybe this could be better.
Could we change this?
Like it looks like they wereexpecting us to say something,

(01:13:49):
which a lot of times it would beawkward, because it's like me
and my boyfriend were alreadylike telling them like, oh,
everything's good, thank you sowell.
I had like a little incidentwhere, like I whatever I like
hit myself with one of thecabinets and, because it was
loose, like it was supposed tobe hooked on, but it just fell.
It just fell so that I wouldhave never complained about that

(01:14:09):
, but because so like they werefishing or like so they were
pressuring us a lot about thatwas something we mentioned at
the end, like oh well, this, Iguess, is like like if, since
you're really asking like okay,well, maybe this they were
expecting us to say like ourroom is weird or like haunted.
Have you experienced anythingparanormal in your room?
yeah, like they were not askingus nothing like that, but they

(01:14:30):
were for real um just bombardingus.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
It makes like did other people ever have anything
to say that stayed in that room.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
I guess Because one thing that I will note is that
they knew what room number wewere staying in, because to get
into the food places you have tosay what room, que habitacion?
So it's not like they were likeoh well, they're just Randomly
Like they knew.
They knew we were in 567.
Like the way that hotel works,we basically had the room number
on our forehead, like they knewwhere we were coming from.

(01:15:01):
I feel like the fact that Ididn't get scared or like I
didn't freak out and feel likeoh shit, like something's
happening, it makes it like moresubtle for me, but nonetheless,
it's a weird thing, because ifyou're at a hotel, you don't
know who stayed there and youknow there's a lot of energy in
hotel rooms and bad things canhappen.
It's just like there's so manypeople that have been in 567

(01:15:23):
before us.
So hotels are always sketchy inthat way.
I think what makes it weirderis the fact that we were in
Mexico.
Like, oh, shay was, like, I wasin home, I was in Mexico, and
how many endless stories arethere in Mexico.
You know, that's true, that'strue.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
I think a lot of people have experienced things
in hotels, but sometimes, likeit's easy to blame things on,
like, oh, you know they hear anoise, oh, maybe it's the people
next door, maybe the walls arethin, maybe this, maybe that you
know, or you know the voicecarried through the vents.
Like people could think thatway, you know, especially
because you said like you hearda man's voice.
But at the same time, I thinkthat you're able to tell sound

(01:16:01):
is coming from inside your room,like it sounds like they're
right next to you or they're inthe same space as you.
So that's something that peoplethat aren't there may like
throw at you.
Like oh well, it could havebeen someone next door, but it's
like okay, I could tell if it'sa muffled sound from next door,
as opposed to someone in theroom that the noise or sound or
voice came from in the room.
Um, I remember there was thisone time that I stayed at a

(01:16:23):
hotel once.
I went to a concert that was alittle bit out of town and, um,
we had gone out there and therewas definitely something weird
about the room we stayed in.
It was like very subtle, andthe good thing is that we had
got there really late and weleft early because we just
wanted to go home.
So we only stayed there like Idon't know we got there like at
two like yeah, like we got therelike probably 2 am, that we had

(01:16:45):
checked in, we had dressedthere to go to the concert and
we still, like went out afterthe concert and then when we
went in, like it was a shortperiod of time, I remember it
was before going to sleep orafter.
No, it was before going tosleep and maybe in the morning
too.
So, like I remember the firstthing that I noticed, I said
like my phone kept disappearing.
And this is like really strangebecause, like you know, there's

(01:17:05):
like a mueble or like a youknow nightstand thing next to
usually on both sides of the bedand I had put like maybe like
my earrings, jewelry, whatever,and my phone.
I want to put my alarm because Idid want to, like we did want
to wait at a certain time tojust get back.
So like I put my alarm just incase.
But then at some point I wantedto check the time or I don't

(01:17:27):
know what it was, like I grabbedmy phone or I tried to grab my
phone.
My phone wasn't there, and bothtimes that this happened, phone
was somewhere totally different.
So the first time I remember myphone, like I was looking for
it, I'm like, hey, where's myphone?
I looked under my pillow.
I'm like maybe I left it on thecovija, the little thing,
whatever.
No, to the point that I had toturn on the light and I, like

(01:17:48):
looked for my phone and itwasn't there and I'm like where
the hell's my phone?
I had it right here I put thealarm, I set it right next to
the thing, so I mean I knowwhere I had it and I found it
like almost like behind the bed,like behind the bed, on the
floor.
Behind the bed.
It was like really strange, noteven like, let's say it fell or
whatever, like there's no way,how's it gonna go in there, you
know?
So that was the first strangething.
And then, like like the secondtime, I think it was in the

(01:18:09):
morning and it wasn't like in aweird place, like that, but it
was on the floor, like overthere, and I'm thinking how is
my phone moving, like that, youknow?
And then another thing is thatmy boyfriend he woke up because
he says that he felt like uh,like a thing.
I didn't feel that I was asleep, but he felt like something
like pushed or like a vibrationon the bed.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
On the bed okay, these are these.
You guys got two in one, it wasthree in one.
No, I, I'm saying the listeners, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:37):
This is a good story, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Because this one's actually turned, this one's like
way more interactive than mine,but see, but okay, but Like a
haunting, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
But it was nothing that we visually saw Did it work
.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
It's not like we didn't see any apparitions.
We didn't get scared yourapparition no you saw a lady in
the mirror.
Like I meant like the voice, oh, like that shit's not going to
scare me, but it wasn't him, Iknow.
But psychologically, I thinkthat's why I'm like I was maybe

(01:19:08):
also so like whatever, becauseI'm like, well, I'm imagining
his voice, I'm gonna tell you.
Why would a ghost want to behim?
That's not gonna scare me amimic, oh I forgot to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
No, we're not forgetting, we're talking about
it right now, okay but you gofirst.
Yeah, let me finish this,because let me wrap my thing up
so anyway, it's good, though itwas like, yeah, it was like a
push or something.
he felt it.
I didn't feel it, but he's like, hey, I felt this and I'm like
what the hell?
So I was like, okay, this isgetting weird.
And my phone two times missing,cause I know I did not drop my

(01:19:38):
phone and he didn't grab it.
No, he was like over there andlike, let's say, for whatever
reason he grabbed it, why hewould throw it on the floor To
check in you were coming and hethrew it.
No, we weren't sleepy Like wewere.
I didn't completely fall asleeplike the first time, it was
while I was there and I heardalmost like a noise, like you
know, when your phone is onvibrate.

(01:19:59):
yeah like I heard like my phonelike, like some, like something,
that my phone was not vibrate.
I never heard on vibrate, solater I think that's why I tried
to check it, but then it wasn'tthere.
It was like behind and then thelast last thing that we're like
and it was in the morning but Iwas like, okay, let's get the
hell out of here was the lightlike in the hallway.
You know how usually there'slike a light in the hallway and

(01:20:20):
maybe like lamps inside the room.
There was no really likeoverhead light, oh yeah, but and
then like and then go aroundthe corner that's where the
bathroom is, so I can't rememberif it was the bathroom light
that was like this that was on,or the hallway, like there was a
light that was left on.
The room was completely dark.
It's still bright, but itwasn't like it was here next to
where we could see.
It was like around, like thecloset area, like that.

(01:20:42):
So it wasn't like hitting ourfaces or anything, but it was
dim enough that you could stillleave on.
So it was on, and in themorning, because the curtains
are pretty dark, even though itwas already morning, it was
still dim in the room.
But I remember the light in thehallway did like a, you know,
like a flicker.
It wasn't even a flicker, itjust like it like dimmed, like
it started getting like black,black, black, black, black and

(01:21:02):
after a while it turned on again.
But it wasn't like that, likethat's like a switch.
You know it wasn't the type oflight that would dim and I've
never seen a light do that, evenwhen, like, a light bulb was
going bad.
I've never seen it just likesuddenly go dim, dim, dim, dim,
dim and like stay dim and thenlike go back.
I've never seen it do that.
It was just like a weird.
It felt weird, it looked weird,it was subtle and then, but
definitely noticeable and it wasin the hallway and I told mario

(01:21:24):
.
Okay, you know what?
Let's, let's hurry up and getthe hell out of here I don't.
I don't like this room, let'sleave, let's get the hell out of
here bye.
I didn't see anything, I didn'thear anything, but those things
were already strange, I mean,and it made me think and we both
were left with the impressionlike, yeah, those things were
abnormalities, something was upwith that room.
I didn't feel scared, but Iknew something was wrong there.
So I think it's one of thosethings you don't necessarily

(01:21:45):
always get scared.
When something's happening Likeyou know it's not normal, do
you always feel scaredimmediately at that time?

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I don't think so.
Like my first hotel, the firststory I shared in the um on the
podcast about the luxor if youhaven't heard it, go hear it
that one's more interactive andthat has to do with me that one
was more like well, um, I was, Iwas immediately scared.
This time I wasn't, which isstrange.
But see, that's the thing you, Ifeel like it because it was
confirmed like oh my god, likeit was just more confirmed that
it was a haunting and that therewas possibly something in the
room with me at that same time,since it was like immediate.

(01:22:18):
Yeah, which is contradictingbecause my story, like clearly I
was living it real time too,like there could be something in
the room with me in that moment, but it just wasn't hitting the
same.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Maybe because it was like a light turning off.
It's more like, oh crap, nowI'm in the dark.
I mean, think about this.
You were looking at a mirrorand you saw a person in a
reflection.
I can understand, like maybebecause you were like sleepy,
because sometimes I think whenwe're sleeping like my goal.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
My biggest goal was to go to sleep, but I wasn't
drowsy yet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
That's what I'm saying like.
Like it's kind of weird thatI'm not saying it's weird that
you weren't scared.
I'm saying like you actuallysaw like a physical thing in the
mirror.
It was like you didn't see itin the room, but you saw it in
the reflection.
You know what they say aboutmirrors and all that stuff.
What do they say?

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
that they're conduits to, like you know the spirit
world, and that could be youknow how.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
They say like yeah, you shouldn't sleep facing a
mirror.
You shouldn't um, don't tell methat there's like certain
things.
You know what?
We should look it up my phone,okay.
One reason which has nothing todo with paranormal Mirrors can
bounce around light from nightlights, electronics or even
moonlight, making the room feelbrighter.
It disrupts the body's naturalsleep cycle, which needs
darkness for deep sleep.
Now let's get to other kind ofreasons.

(01:23:27):
Mirrors can reflect movement orobjects in the room, creating
confusing visual environment.
Brain can be especiallydistracting if you see yourself
moving or shadow shifting,making it harder to relax,
potentially leading to anxiety.
And then there's some weirdthings.
That is that.
Okay.
One disrupted energy flow.
We know that feng shuiemphasizes unbalanced energy and
we know that the way they setup their furniture blah, blah,
blah bad dreams mirrors had tocapture and hold on to bad

(01:23:47):
emotions and thoughts which canlead to disturbed sleep.
Frightening dreams when theyface the bed, says focus on
vanity.
Visible reflection is believedto by Feng Shui practitioners to
promote excessive focus onphysical appearance, which
potentially hinders personalgrowth.
Self-reflection that'ssomething else.
Encourages cheating.
When directly facing the bed,the reflection doubles the
romantic energy of those sharingthe bed, potentially

(01:24:08):
encouraging infidelity orunconsciously inviting external
influences.
That's fucking weird.
So in various cultures, maresare believed to possess mystical
powers acting as portals toother worlds or as traps for
spirit.
Haunted mirrors, in particular,have captured the imagination,
with tales of cursed or ghostlyreflections persisting across
time and geography okay.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
So yeah, clearly mirrors have a are a conduit of
energy, like you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yeah, one of the most prevalent beliefs about mirrors
is that they serve as portalsto other realms, particularly
the world of the spirits.
The idea is rooted on thenotion that mirror does not just
reflect our physical appearancebut can also capture exposed
hidden dimensions, cultures andcivilizations.
Mirrors are believed to begateways through which spirits
can enter our world.
This is why, in certaintraditions, mirrors are covered
or removed from a room where aperson has recently died, the

(01:24:49):
fears that the soul of thedeceased might contract in the
mirror or use it as a passagewayto return to haunt the living.
As you know, there's thatbloody mary game that exists
because, according to a legend,if a person stands in front of a
mirror in a darkened room andchants bloody mary three times,
that spirit of mary will appear,and sometimes with terrifying
consequences.
Stories originated as achildren's dare or has deeper
roots in folklore.

(01:25:10):
It illustrates how mirrors areoften seen as conduits to dark,
otherworldly forces and how manymovies don't exist that have to
do with mirrors, even likesometimes paranormal shows or
like investigations.
A lot of times theinvestigators have found certain
portals that are either rightin front of mirrors or in the
mirror themselves, and they'relike oh no, no, you know what.

(01:25:31):
This mirror shouldn't be onthis door because there's a
portal here and this and that,or they pick up on things.
You know how people talk aboutthe shadow people that come in
and take your energy and allthis stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
They use mirrors as portals interesting now I'm
gonna be more freaked out in myown house with mirrors.
But let's talk about the mimictheory now, because keep in mind
this story that I, that Ishared I had kind of like
relived the experience in thatmoment that my boyfriend was
like hey, didn't you say you yousaw like a girl one night?

(01:26:01):
That's what he said.
And so when I was like relivingit and like, oh yeah, like
re-remembering the whole thing,esmeralda was in the room
present.
She said you have to share thison our podcast.
Um, later we were just goingback and forth about just all
the possibilities, like I wassaying how my mind was hazy and
you know, whatever the wholething, that I had already shared
.
And she was like, well, I hadthe same, the same point of like

(01:26:22):
, well, why would a ghost likewant to be my boyfriend and why
would he want to sound like him?
And she's like, well, that'swhat a mimic does.
It could have been a mimic andmimics are something fairly new
to me, but I've been somewhatfollowing, you know, mimic
stories on tiktok and on youtube, and even I've had, like this,
talk about mimics with my auntand all that.
They seem trippy, becausearen't mimics just that like

(01:26:46):
they speak to you, like in yourfamily member's voice or
something, but, uh, like, if youtruly know how they speak and
all that, then it's a giveaway.
Like that's their voice, butthat's not them talking to me.
And usually they have to knockor like allow themselves to be
invited in.
So that's the only thing that Iwould say.
That didn't not happen in myexperience.
No one knocked on the door andI would never in a million years

(01:27:07):
have opened the hotel room door.
But yeah, I mean, a mimic inmexico maybe was already in
there, I don't know like there,okay, like I'm reading this from
a person's like experience.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Yeah, so someone was actually asking about mimics and
the reason they're askingthey're like what do we know
about mimics?
Because they're saying I'mliving in a new place and it's
happening twice to me now Onceto my grown daughter and
possibly with the dogno-transcript the bathroom with

(01:27:44):
her.
While she was in the shower.
I was not home, she and I andthe dog also heard a growl which
didn't sound threatening, kindof half growl, funny noises she
makes when getting comfortable.
She reacted to it and growled alittle back.
We all clearly heard it.
This setting is an apartment.
Um, it's a little creepy, nottoo bad.
Some weird noises otherwise,but this mimicking thing is

(01:28:05):
getting a little too close.
Does anyone have theseexperiences?
Okay, so this person obviouslyhas a audio they have not seen
um this person actually hasn'tseen anyone, so that's one thing
.
But also like how you said, thatthere's like a mythology about
someone like a shapeshifter thatactually like changes and looks
like you, and there's a lot ofexperiences like that, and those

(01:28:27):
are also known as doppelgangers.
But doppelgangers are actuallylike I mean no, no, they are
known, but that's not this itsays they're supernatural
entities.
People use the word doppelgangerfor a lot of things, just for
like, let's say, twin, likesomeone that looks like you.
But then there's also like theideas of like someone coming
from a parallel universe tryingto take over your body and get

(01:28:49):
rid of you, and they just takeover your, which I think like
folklore days that was like solike changelings they would put
like another person in theirplace when they were children.
So there's like a lot ofdifferent things.
But in this case it says heremimics are also known as
doppelgangers.
They're supernatural entitiesrooted in folklore and mythology
from various cultures.
Um, a mimic is a spiritualentity that has the ability to
copy the voices of our lovedones to lure us into a false

(01:29:10):
sense of security.
So like I've heard stories alsoabout mimics I know you said
that they have to knock.
I mean there's a lot of thingsabout knocking also like
sometimes it's just the entitythat you will never see, but
then all of a sudden your housewill be haunted, like people say
like oh, if you hear threeknocks, that's already like a
demon trying to get into yourhouse.
You should never open the doorif you can't see who it is, but

(01:29:32):
I mean, it's kind of hard to doright because you don't have a
people like how you gonna knowwho's there, because I've heard
stories about people saying anentity came into our home.
We heard a knock, we opened thedoor.
No one was there, but they musthave like came in, but then
there's other people.
They're like, no, but we heardlike my mom's voice saying, oh,
it's me open.
And then they open and no one'sthere.
So like in those are two veryseparate cases, some people will

(01:29:55):
hear a voice, which I think iseven worse, because you're
definitely gonna open the doorif it's like it's me as a mom or
your kid or whatever you knowhow are you gonna protect
yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
that's like crazy yeah yeah, honestly, that's just
like messed up the whole thatwhole concept of like you're
trying to be something thatyou're familiar with and
relative, family, friends yeah,because there's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
There are some people that they have haunting.
That's a messed up trick it is.
I mean, they have like, let'ssay, a haunted house that they
live in.
Like they already know theyhave all these and there's
nothing to do with that.
Like, let's say, they hearvoices or they see like creepy
shadows or whatever.
But then also like they'll sayI thought I saw my sister walked
down the hall, but I know thatshe was at work and and when I
went into the room she wasn'tthere.
They're not like copying peoplethat are deceased.

(01:30:37):
There are people that actuallylive in that house currently and
they act like they're there andthey're not even home that day.
Or you know, like, oh, I sawyou upstairs and then like
someone's like, oh, I wasdownstairs doing laundry.
That wasn't me.
In those cases, I feel likethose are like really drastic

(01:30:59):
hauntings already.
Yeah, to be, I agree, that'salready like who cares what
you're gonna call it?
Like you're like just gettinghaunted, because obviously, if
they're not, just mimicking,they're also doing other things.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Then you just can't put them in one category.
No, yeah, I think the mimicsthat are coming up on tiktok
that I'm coming across likethose stories are visual, are no
auditory, like mimics are theones that copy your voice,
unless there's like how you'resaying that there's different
names.
But from my understanding,mimic is a, the sound one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
No, but I guess I guess it falls under both,
because there's some that willjust copy the way you look well
that's my mexico story.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
I guess I could have investigated further.
But was I gonna do that?
No, because my biggest goal waslet me go to sleep once I knock
out this thesis to exist.
I could have went the extramile to probably like keep
looking at the mirror.
I could have stayed staring atit for a while.
I'd be like I'm tripping, likeis there someone there?
Am I gonna see something again?
And maybe I would have.
And then that kind of, thatkind of would have shown me like

(01:31:48):
oh shit, I'm being haunted inthis room.
I'm seeing something, but Ididn't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
I didn't do I don't think I would want to go to any
verification.
I don't think I would haveignored it like you, or like
forgot about it, like just, oh,I forgot all about it.
I don't think I would haveforgot about it, but I
definitely would not be likeinvestigating, like looking at
the mirror again.
Yeah, like getting up to likehell, no, like I wouldn't.
I think I would definitely havewoke up, like, or text to me
like hey, are you seeing whatI'm seeing?

(01:32:14):
Like, wake up.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
I think I wouldn't try to wake anybody up.
I think it would have been verydifferent if I would have seen
someone in the room with us.
I would have woke up in thereflection you're supposed to be
somebody in the reflection butthen you know what's in there,
not gonna be all over here, likeit's not like a threat, like
we're gonna get robbed or killed, you know yeah, that's more
emergency.
That's more emergency like whatcan you do?

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
I agree it might not be emergency, but you don't want
to be alone in it, or you wantto like confirm, like am I?

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
is that really there?
Yeah, can you see it?

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
or is it just my brain?
Here's another person sayingthat there's a type of demon
that's called a mimic demon.
It's gonna often start out bycopying the voice of someone you
live with or someone who isclose to you.
You will hear it say your nameor some other form of address
that is coming for that personto say or call you, as it can
also say other things.
Normally this happens when youare alone or when you know that

(01:33:07):
the person is not around you.
The mimic does this to incitefear, which is a type of energy
that they feed off of.
The more you fear it it, themore you acknowledge it, the
stronger it becomes.
Mimics can even appear in thephysical form of someone you
know, but will often get thevoice of that person confused
with the voice of someone elsethat you know.
Being able to see a mimic meansthat it has grown stronger.

(01:33:27):
So, that's already when it'slike more.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Okay, so lesson moral of the story is Wait, I'm not
finished the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Wait, I'm not finished.
The best thing to do, otherthan seeking spiritual help, is
to ignore it.
Do not react when you hear it.
Do not let yourself becomeagitated by it.
Pretend it doesn't exist.
So you did the right thing, I'mtelling you, if you don't feed
it, it will weaken.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
I'm a professional.
I'm a professional ghost hunter.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Ghost avoider más bien.
Okay, pretend it doesn't exist.
If you don't feed it, it willweaken.
Burning lavender incense isalso helpful for maintaining a
calm atmosphere.
It's wise to seek assistance inthe situation if you're
experiencing these thingsBecause, yes, like all negative
entities, they are harmful.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
What I should have done is ask the worker do you
know if something's going on inthat room?

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Yeah, I think I would .
The hotel staff would know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
But, as I was going to say more of the story, but
you kind of already said, likethe warnings, like what to do,
what to not do, definitelyregardless of what haunting,
they always say if you hear aknock, like just don't open the
door.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
I know you're saying it's hard, but don't say it's
hard, like let's say you're athome, you're not expected to get
haunted, and you think someonemight show up like let's say no,
it's different.
Like one of your kids or yourboyfriend, you know somebody's
coming home and they're likeopen the door.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Like, and they knock the door, you're not gonna
expect or know, like oh, it's aghost like you're gonna just
open the door, yeah, but likeit's a red flag if you open the
door and there's no one there.
Yeah, but usually when you dothat it's too late it already
went in.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Yeah, like when you, the minute you open the door, oh
yeah.
But at the same time I don'tknow if I really put too much
weight on that kind of stuff,because I have always told, like
, like, I told my boyfriend, Itold him, like a ghost or entity
, if it's a spirit, it could goin wherever it wants.
I don't know about that dooropening, but they say like they
say.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
They say with the mimics when they're talking to
you or trying to like answerthey're like on the other side
of the door, like in the sala,then like they're already in
your house.
But like they're on the otherside of the door and you're like
in the restroom in your roomand they're saying like don't
open it.
So I kind of get what you'resaying, like well, they're
already in my house vicinity, no, but for some reason they're

(01:35:28):
like really big on it, like ifyou know it's not them, don't
let them in.
And they're like, oh, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
No, but I think that they're trying to tell you to
don't let them in your home.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
No, because on tiktok they're, they're already,
they're in the restroom andthey're like that's my mom, but
she's not home and she doesn'ttalk to me like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
They yeah they're already in your house, then they
don't know what they're talkingabout, because they're already
in your house at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
But see, that's the thing that they also say.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Why do they mess, why do they play with you like that
, like, oh, it opened the door Ithink it's what that thing was
saying like right now we'rereading is to create fear
because it knows you're scared.
The more it does it, the morescared you're gonna get, because
they know that.
You know it's already like notyour mom.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
So the right thing to do is just open the door and
keep walking, be like I didn'thear anything.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Yeah, basically, because, basically, it's
something that's trying to feedoff of you and you're're
supposed to like, just not giveit, pay it no damn mind and not
feel fear, because that's how,like you said, the stronger it
gets, then it's going to doextra things, like appear as a
person that you know, likeyou're going to be able to see.
Like it's like when we seesomebody that we know, that we
know, down, whether at work orat school, and they're like hell

(01:36:30):
.
No, it's ignorant.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
I can imagine we hear her footsteps and then her door
will close right now.
Oh hell, no, I'll be like oh,priscilla has a freaking ghost.
I don't want to meet a doubleof her.
So yeah, thank you forlistening to my story and for
staying with us.
That movie was great.
Wolfman was amazing.
We understand that there's likea vast amount of hauntings and

(01:36:59):
scary stories out there, so andit's really hard to put them in
categories.
Yes, but I'm saying this onedoesn't really match, you know,
the changeling werewolf thing,but still.

Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
It's still a feature.
If anyone has any stories thatthey want to share with us, send
us an email down at the bottomin the description chicasaguy at
gmailcom boom we'll be sure toshare it and it's up to you if
you want to be anonymous or not,but we'll share it, so thank
you for listening till next time.
Bye, bye.
Thanks for watching.

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