#73 - Q&A: Unfiltered Fitness, Business & Mindset Advice - Choose Hard with Cody McBroom

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Welcome to the choose hard podcast.
I'm your host, Cody Mcbroom. I am a father, husband, coach
and entrepreneur whose sole lifemission is to serve others and
help them create their best lifepossible, which the first step
in you creating your best life is choosing hard.
So let's build your body and sharpen your mind.
Today's podcast is with a returning guest coach Kyle from

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the Taylor coaching method team.And today we go into segments.
So this is a podcast that I was inspired by a few other podcasts
who actually do segments like this and I really enjoyed it and
it was a cool way for them to shout out sponsors and
supporters of the podcast while also providing a lot of value in
like AQ and a fashion. So we're going to dive into a
few different topics. So 1 is going to be choose hard,

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and we're going to discuss what choose hard and our life
currently is as well as a paradigm shift that we've had
recently. We're also going to dive into
book recommendations. What is something that we saw or
were taught growing up that we believe everybody should learn
today because today's world needs that lesson too.
Then we dive into the next segment, which is going to be

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training stuff, starting with the dumbest things we've ever
done in the gym, which is embarrassing and hilarious for
you to hear. Trust me.
And what we would do differentlyif we could go back and train
our 20 year old selves in the gym.
And then the last topic we're going to do is an overrated and
underrated topic. Going through some different
aspects like diet and training and and influencers and social
media and music, all kinds of different random stuff, kind of

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rapid fire style. So this is going to go through
four different segments. I think you're going to enjoy
each segment and each one is quick, fiery to the punch and it
provides a lot of value. So without any further ado,
let's get into this segments podcast with Coach Kyle from
TCM. The greatest things in life all
start. With a challenge you.

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Must accept that everything is hard before it gets easy.
Every every, every everything you want in life.
Begins with a hard path. Begins with a hard path.
Begins with a hard path. This podcast is going to be
cool. I was trying to, I'm going to be
like totally transparent. I was trying to find a different
word for segments because I stole segments from a different

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podcast. It was something I heard them do
and I was like, this is really dope.
I've heard it a couple times andI'll just give a shout out to
the Coach Them Up podcast. Really, really good podcast.
A lot of similar guests. They do a lot more in the
strength and conditioning world.I think they're both they're
come from like the athletic strength conditioning world.

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So it's a lot of strength conditioning coaches for like
NCAA team stuff, but they're just they're coaches and they're
just Bros. Like it's it's it's a really
good podcast, but they do segments on every single show.
And I've seen that people do this for random interviews and
stuff, but I wanted to come up with some for every single
person I have on the show because it's a good way to, I

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don't know, wrap up the show, You know, like I used to do it
on when I started doing this one, it was Boom Boom
performance podcast. And it was like, there was a few
different questions. One of them being you have three
people out of dinner. Actually, we should do that one
'cause it'll be good. Three people out of dinner
table, dead or alive. Who would they be?
You know, and you get like a couple hours to eat a meal with
somebody. What are you having to eat and
who are you eating it with? And it was a good way to get

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somebody's personality, see whatthey're interested in stuff.
So I wanted to create some more like that.
The problem is, is that I, I created a lot.
So we're going to do them all today.
And that's what the podcast is going to be is just these
segments. And hopefully after the podcast,
you know what, even if you're onSpotify, you can comment
YouTube, you can comment Apple, you got to catch up, put some

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comment section stuff in there. But if not, you can always DM me
on Instagram or e-mail me. I want to know from you, the
listener, what did you like out of all those questions?
We'll only have like 3 on the show repetitively.
So what did you really enjoy? And then obviously you and I
will talk about it after the podcast too.
But let's start with, let's start with the dinner table.
One man fresh out the gates. OK, so three people at a dinner

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table with you, It's the, let's say it's the last meal you get.
Maybe it's not the last meal, it's it's the only opportunity
you're going to get. For this though, 'cause they
could be dead or alive, famous people, it could be past
relatives, it could be literallyanybody, but only three.
And you get to choose whatever you want to eat for dinner.
OK. What do you got?
First person right out the gate,you know it's definitely going

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to be my grandpa. He passed 2 summers ago the day
after my birthday and I was pretty close with him but his
his passing was the first kind of moment where I felt like I
was transitioning into, I don't know how to explain it, but more
emotionally intelligent and realizing how fickle life is in

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general and it hit me hard. It took me months to get over
his passing as where early on inmy in my 20s, like someone would
pass like my other grandpa had passed and it was like, oh, OK,
I'm pretty sad. But I was like, you know, it, it
didn't really hit me the same when, you know, my second

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grandpa had passed. That was just a whole another
ball game where I felt all the feelings crying, talking to my
my significant other Grace aboutall these things.
And just like life in general. I would definitely, he'd be my
first pick. You know, he's he's one 100%.
My grandpa would be there. The second and third are tough

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because I feel like there's so many people that you're like it,
it'd be great to have dinner and, and chat with them, But
there's nobody who's like, Oh mygosh, like, holy crap, I'm I'm
talking to so and so and you know, like I'd go back to
baseball. I grew up playing baseball.
Like, you know, since I was a little kid.
It was all I wanted to do. I guess you know, in in that
sense, I'd probably you know, it's actually, you know, each

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row weekend here in in Seattle, you know, if you're a big
baseball fan, you know, I'm going to the game tonight.
He's inducted the Hall of Fame. He I grew up going to the games
wanting to watch Ichiro. I played nothing like him, but
he was so cool and he is a big deal.
He's such a big deal. And I don't know, I feel like
being able to sit down and have a dinner with him, like he's one

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of my, like, lifelong idols whenit comes to baseball.
I would definitely choose each row.
He's, he's, I know it's really 'cause he, I'm not sure, like
how well he does with English. At least growing up, he never
wanted to do interviews in English.
Like he would a lot of times do him in Japanese.
But we always got a kick out of times where he did, you know,
his interviews in English 'causehe would say he'd want to have
hot dogs. So I'd probably have a hot dog

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with each row. That's hilarious.
That'd be #2 kind of random, but, you know, really, really
cool. And then just in terms of, you
know, bro to bro Arnold Schwarzenegger, dude, I cannot.
There's not that many. Fitness guys that wouldn't say.
Him dude, I I can't tell you howmany times I've watched pumping
iron yeah, growing up you throw that on is a classic.

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It's probably, you know, one of those things where it's like,
duh, every bro wants to eat Arnold.
But I had a roommate in the pastwho actually had moved to, to
Venice and he would go to Golds and he's like, dude, Arnold
still shows up everyday. He rides his bike there.
He gets half a workout in because everyone's talking to
him and you know, that kind of stuff.
But he said he saw him and I waslike you.
I am so jealous. He's he's such a cool dude.

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Like I would love to be able to get a training session or a meal
in with Arnold. So you got hot dogs with your
grandpa Arnold Schwarzenegger inIchiro?
100% what a table. Dude, dude, absolutely.
Seattle dogs, of course. Yeah, 100%.
You got to. So, and for those listening that
aren't from Seattle, Seattle dogs like the downtown area
always has these carts and they're always cooking hot dogs

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and they, the way they're set upis just different, like, and you
got to put cream cheese on the the dog to make it a, a true
Seattle. Dog, you got to have the like
the onions. Yep, Yep.
So good. OK, so I'm going with, you know,
I, I think at one point way back, I think I said Joe Rogan
and I'm going to change that. Not that I wouldn't love to have

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a meal with him, but I'm going to say Chris Williamson because
I feel like he is a more relatable version of Joe Rogan.
And the reason I, I always feel like I would choose one of the
elite podcasters is because those guys get to be a sponge to
so many great minds, you know? And I feel like because Chris

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Williamson, outside of him beingBritish, he's younger, he came
from the fitness space, more relatable, but I got to imagine
he's just got even some of his solo podcasts, you get to like,
just listen to him think and thoughts.
Like it's really cool because hejust talks to so many experts in
so many different worlds. Like that's what I ultimately
aspire this podcast to become and why we talk about more than

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just fitness and interview people outside of the fitness
space now. But I definitely say him because
I feel like I'd be able to pull so much out of him.
Second person would be I don't want to choose Arnold.
I think in the past I did Joe Rogan, The Rock and Kevin Hart.
I think that was my, if I'm remembering correctly, I would

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#2 would be Chris Pratt. Truthfully, I haven't even like
I haven't even seen Guardians ofthe Galaxy.
Like I don't watch a ton of his movies, but he is extremely
successful. I really respect that he has
stayed so like down to earth, humble and and like very like
true to his values. He doesn't let anything.
And Hollywood's just got to be so crazy.

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You know it, it's crazy enough in today's world, but Hollywood
I can't even imagine being a part of, you know?
But he doesn't let that deter him from living according to his
values and beliefs. And he also is from Washington.
So again, it's like he he's fromthe same state but even smaller
town and he's hyper successful. And so it'd be interesting to
hear more about his story and journey and like becoming

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successful despite living in a tiny town in.
I think he's from like the Cle Elum area bro like.
He might be. I might have it wrong.
Is he not married to Arnold Schwarzenegger's daughter?
Yeah, 100%. We could just have dinner
together. Yeah, do they live?
They live in the San Juans. They have a big farm, like
llamas and shit, I think. Or maybe it's lambs, I don't
know. One of the two, but crazy.

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Yeah, like so. Well, so I would take Chris
Pratt, Chris Williamson and. One more, Chris, to equal the
trifecta. Oh.
My gosh, I didn't even realize that.
Throw Chris Rock in there just for the just for the humor.
No, I'm not even a huge. I would go Dave spell over Chris
Rock any day. Yeah, maybe I would do that.

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Dave Chappelle, actually, that'dbe great.
One funny one and also a very smart guy.
And the fact that he left the country way back and nobody knew
like what happened to him. And then he just appears in
Times Square doing comedy out ofnowhere.
I remember just like walking up in public and people are like,
holy shit, that's Dave Chappelle.
He's been gone for seven years or whatever it was like, and now

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he's still back to being the number one comedian in the world
like all the other comedians. Just know he's a goat, yeah?
So crazy. That would be iconic.
That would be a great meal. Oh, what we would have.
Oh yeah, what would you guys eat?
That's a tough one. Honestly.
I would say burgers, burgers andfries.
I mean that's like my my go to if I have to have like a good
meal do. You have a go to burger.

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From a not a spot but bacon and blue.
Oh bacon and blue cheese man. Still put ketchup on it though
for sure. I love I love blue cheese man
that is like not a good diet food.
I go ham on blue cheese though. With crackers, with burgers,
with salads, the crumbles and the dressing.
Like OK. Yeah, I've always I'm like blue

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cheese. I'm I'm 5050 moron.
Like the burger. I'm great on a burger.
Everything else I'm like. It's strong you.
Got to like it. Yeah, exactly.
And I got to be careful when I'mchoosing it because if you get
like real good blue cheese, sometimes like the mold, I can't
do it. It's so moldy that you're like,
I can't even, I can't eat it. Yeah, it throws me out.
It's probably good. It's really expensive, but like
it's really moldy. Like it's disgusting.

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If it's really blue mold, it's OK because it almost looks like
fake, like it's not when it because some of them have a
greenish mold, which is totally fine, but I can't do it.
If I see green I'm like Nope. Nah, it'll throw me off.
Yeah, dude, it'll be like 26 bucks a pound sometimes.
Fred Meyer, Dude, they have likea nice cheese section now.
Like literally the craziest. Yeah, bougie cheese.

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Not my my childhood Fred Meyer, that's for sure.
Yeah. No, it's totally different.
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All right, so there's two questions to this.
And because I have two questionsper segment and there is 4
segments, we'll do these kind ofrapid fire style.

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Yeah, the first question you'll go and then I'll go.
What's your current choose Hard battle is the first question.
OK, yeah, current choose hard battle right now it is.
I'm in this awkward phase and transition phase of of training
and nutrition where I'm preppingto to move across the country.

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Yeah, I'm gonna be moving to Florida from Seattle.
It's gonna be a long trip. Are you going to Daytona?
Was. It Yep, Daytona, Yep, Daytona
Beach. And so right now I'm in this
phase of I'm getting ready to doalmost like a mini cut.
I want to be very much prepared for the awkwardness of being on
the road for a long period of time.
Is it doable and I'm going to doit?

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Yes, absolutely. But I don't want to have to feel
like I'm in my cut while I am traveling.
I want to feel like it's more ofa OK a maintenance.
You never know what kind of foodyou have available to you in
each state. There's going to be grocery
stores, but also could be on some random stretch of Rd. that
takes you forever and you know all that kind of stuff.
So choosing hard for me is more of the plan of like I'm

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essentially going to be an 8 week cut, you know, trying to
drop about 10 maybe yeah, 10 lbs.
That's just yeah, 10 lbs right on it.
And I was like trying to trying to think maybe more, but let's
be realistic, I'm going to go 10.
Keep it simple. And then training wise, it's
actually prepping more for, you know, the community, right?
And thinking more in terms of the, you know, almost like

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combine style training, transitioning into that.
Had a little bit of a back tweakcouple weeks ago, just
recovering bring from that and being sick.
So now it's like transitioning into, all right, Coach Nick is
working on, you know, combine stuff, being in the community,
the guys are going to be prepping for that.
So a lot of it is more of power and reactive work and also

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mobility for specifically my ankles, my hips, and making sure
that, you know, I'm ready to go when it comes to doing that kind
of stuff. And it's just fun, honestly.
I grew up training that way for for sports and implementing more
jumps, more power tosses, rotational work.
Training like an athlete, it's. Fun.

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Yeah, it's really fun. I I love training like a
bodybuilder too, don't get me wrong.
Like getting a swick a good pumpis awesome, but just having
small amounts of you know that power and reactive stuff?
I'm throwing that in there too. Yeah, 100%.
Obviously I'm training the same way.
I'm I'm excited about it. And for any guys listening,
Tailored coaching combine is what he's referring to as we're
recording this. The exact testing hasn't been

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announced, so I'm not going to say what it is, but we, me and
Nick have been going back and forth.
We think we have it pretty much down There will be different.
Basically a test for power, strength, muscular endurance,
and then like literal aerobic work, a mile run, something like
that. So if you're interested in that
tailored-coaching.com/community,you can sign up there.

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It's our group coaching community and it's really bad
ass. It's really good.
I uploaded like at least 10 hours of content, 20 hours I
think. I was like so many of our
courses from like previous that we've just had in the archive.
But that's good, man. Man, my Choose Hard battle right
now is it was the training side because of my back, but I'm just

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like enjoying it a lot right now, especially now that I'm
filming the vlog. It's just fun.
Like shooting that he had he hadthis clip of me doing this super
set. It's walking lunges into Spanish
squats with heels elevated. It was just brutal.
But the drone like swoops in as I pick up the dumbbells and
start walking and it follows me across the whole gym doing

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lunges. Dude, it's so sick.
It looked so dope. But right now I don't even think
it is the training and the diet side I'm actually getting ready
to. I'm tightening the reins a
little bit. I just started tracking again
just to see where my numbers areAT and I pulled some calories
'cause I'm doing the same thing.I want to shave a bit, a little
bit less weight so I can crush the.
That's the. Thing I'm trying to make make

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sure I'm ready for. That, but I'm excited for that,
like because I just got through that injury and I feel like I
wasn't doing anything. It's like motivating me right
now and I like having some. I was itching for some kind of
competition ish thing. Totally, dude.
Right now my choose hard battle is, is like to be totally
transparent is the, it's the state of Washington.
I just is like, I'm trying really hard to be positive and

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be like a light in a dark place.But it's just, there's just a
lot of really fucked up stuff going on.
And it's, it's really hard when you have a kid and you have to
like try to protect them. You know, There was the largest
tax increase in Washington statehistory across the board.
You're getting out at a good time.

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So between like property taxes and gas and retail and all that
stuff, and then the business taxes and the property taxes to
pay here and all that, and then the school stuff.
And then there was this event held at A at my daughter's
elementary school that it's justnot appropriate for like schools
out of session. But it was like, I'm not going

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to get into that side of things,but it wasn't appropriate for
kids. And now it's making way into the
news and like, so it's like that's the last thing I want my
daughter's elementary school to be shouted out for is you know.
And so like, I've wanted to move, but it's not that simple
in my wife's family here. So I'm in that battle, man.
My choose hard thing is like notletting the negative take over

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'cause it's hard to see when youknow, like I can payless if I
live here, I can not deal with this if I live there, you know,
I can the crime rate goes down if I live there.
Like there's a lot of things here that are just, you know, so
I'm like trying to be really, really positive.
Yeah, who knows? We might move, but it's not
going to happen for a while. I mean, I got two years at least
here. So we're here for a bit.

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But it's like trying to stay positive everyday because I
don't want to be that negative. That's the hard part, right?
It's, it's, you know, being ableto control what we can control
and then how we respond to it. And a lot of times that sucks.
Like dude, I just, I have to just accept whatever is
happening around and only changewhat I can change.

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I wish I could just change it atall right now and just like grip
it and kind of go, but we can't do that unfortunately.
Yeah, well, and like my advice to people listening, if you're
dealing with anything similar, it's like 1.
It's not easy. And then I'm not perfect.
So there's plenty of moments where I'm like, just not happy,
let's say. Same.
But there's people watching, youknow, especially if you're a

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parent and if you're not a parent but you have a spouse
like it's. If you can't do it for yourself,
do it for them. And usually when you kind of
fake it till you make it, it actually, you actually do end up
happier. Like if I start like wrestling
with the dog and like playing and being silly, like I can't
stay angry, you know, it's like impossible.
So it's like sometimes you just got to you got to do it.

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But that is definitely my choosehard battle.
Now the second question for the Choose Hard Jocko fuel segment
is what's a paradigm shift that you've made recently or you've
had recently? It can be in any category.
OK, along that same line, you know, preparing for the move,

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I've, I've taken on, you know, more work, not just, you know,
for, for tailored, but like my, my parents, they own like a,
like a janitorial business, a cleaning business taking on more
hours. And you do that and you're like,
OK, you know, it's hard preppingfor the move, making a little
extra money 'cause I'm always overly worried about that kind
of stuff. That's just how it goes.

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But changing my mindset, like the first few months I get done
and it was just non-stop complaining.
I come home to Grace and I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm so tired.
It's just windows and garbages and this and that.
And she's, you know, very lovingand caring.
Oh well, you know, just take it down, you know, an extra day.
Only do 2 days, don't do 3 days and all these things.

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And I'm sitting here listening and I'm like, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, wait, wait, wait. This is a me problem.
This is my perspective problem. I have the opportunity.
How many people don't have the opportunity to work, not even
just like have an extra job to go and make money to prep for
something, but literally don't have a job in general.
That seems so scary. And it immediately kind of flips

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me out And I'm like, OK, no, no,no, no, no, I'm good.
I'm tired. You should be tired.
My head hits the pillow. I am out cold.
So that paradigm shift of like sitting there going ometimes,
that extra work, the stuff that really makes it challenging,
difficult fatigue. I'm just so out of it is the
exact thing that I need in that moment because if everything's

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easy, when the real hard stuff hits, when the move hits, when
we, I won't be prepared at all. And even even the hard stuff I'm
doing now, I'm like, there's gonna be harder stuff.
Like I need to constantly have that in my life.
Otherwise when it gets really, really tough, I'm just gonna get
beat down. So just accepting the hard,
accepting the choose hard of that aspect and and not having

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to like it every moment, but being OK with with that.
And then just like recognizing the moments where I can, you
know, refuel or just kind of recover a little bit better, get
off my phone, take a nap, get up, you know, just like the
small stuff, so, you know. What that paradigm shift is to
me, it's, it's recognizing that everything's temporary, you

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know, and it's like, I mean, if you want to get really deep,
life's temporary. So like you like.
You know 100%. Like be good, but it's that hard
thing you're going through is not going to last.
Quote Lord of the Rings. This shall pass.
This too shall pass and like. That's definitely not.
It but, and I'll said it best, but like really though, it's,

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it's so true because everything that is difficult, that is
tough, it is always temporary. You know what I mean?
But most of them are repetitive,and if you don't reflect and
learn the lesson and shift, thiscan be hard every time, you know
what I mean? But if you let it be hard once
and you learn, then it's easy next time.

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Or it doesn't happen because youdo what you need to do to get
through the thing. It depends on what it is,
obviously. But yeah, I think that's really
good, man. Feels like we passed that same
message on to clients like everysingle day.
Like there's always, you know, macros this and getting your
steps and training and all this kind of stuff.
But the underlying message is always like, if it feels hard,

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dig in just a little deeper, just a little bit because that,
that feeling itself and and the the almost the lesson that you
learn from that is so much greater than whether or not you
hit your perfect macros on one day, It's not going to make a
big difference in your life compared to that lesson that you
learned of I'm a little hungry, right.
OK, I really want this fast foodon the way home.

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But I know I have my meal prep. But you know, there's going to
be a million things. But that hard is it's a lesson
we pass on everyday. Yeah.
Man, for me, it's, I think I've gone through and like, not toot
my own horn, but this is a good thing.
I've gone through a lot of paradigm shifts over the last
year. And I think why that's a good
thing is because it means I'm open minded to change and to

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adapting and evolving. And I think a lot of people
aren't. When you, when you're afraid to
innovate or adapt or evolve, that's a problem.
You're going to stay stuck. You know, you really do need to
be able to, to level up in that way.
But man, I could say even like there was a period of time where
I was like, group coaching doesn't work.
But like, I think everything is this way.
Like how I knew it to be didn't work 'cause I hadn't seen it

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done right. You know, we created a way to do
it right? And now it's like, oh, that
works. And I don't mean, I mean like
group online coaching for peoplelistening.
Group classes do work depending on the person, but that's,
that's the case. Like it depends on who you are
'cause we still have people thatlike, hey, the group model's not
good for you. You need one-on-one because it
depends on where you're at. So that that was one thing that

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I just completely shifted on. I would say like this has been
an ongoing back and forth paradigm shift is, and this is
for business owners especially like in the coaching space,
social media is not the answer to like business growth and
generating leads. It's just not like I think that
it's not, it's kind of a paradigm shift because I've had

(25:52):
so many moments where like social media is gaining steam
and then it goes away and then it comes back.
And so like you get sucked into it and you're like, OK, we're
going to ride this way. But then like when I really kind
of zoom out and I go everyone wehelp and the reason our company
keeps growing, it has nothing really to do with social media,
has everything to do with great results, great service.

(26:14):
I mean, if we're going to contribute anything to content,
it's SEO and I'm not going to get into that because it's a
rabbit hole, but like it's not social media, it's long form
content, you know, one very specific paradigm shift for me.
It's kind of a weird one to say,but like if we're just thinking
paradigm shift is like, I didn'tbelieve this or didn't know this
and now I do dude, I love filming the vlog.

(26:35):
It's so weird. I was like, this shit is wack.
Like I'm not carrying a camera. I think it's that thing makes it
easier. That little handheld Osmo and
it's so high quality and I and it has a mic.
I don't have to mic up. So it did make things a lot
easier, but it's crazy man, evenon the hard days, cause like
episode 2 of Vlog, I talk about a few things too.

(26:56):
I mean, I did in episode 1 as well 'cause you see the way I'm
doing it, it's like a whole week.
So it's like, it's not just likea day in my life.
It's like I'm picking up the camera on a Monday and I might
be talking for more and then Tuesday I just say 2 sentences
and then I don't talk till Friday.
It's like I'm just picking it upand it's a full week.
And when I'm talking about the hard stuff, I feel better about
getting through the hard stuff because, and this sounds weird,

(27:19):
it doesn't matter if people see it or not, but there's so many
hard things in life and in business that goes unseen.
And I've never felt like I need people to see it.
But it is giving those moments asecond level purpose because I'm
hoping that people watch it and it helps them get through the
hard moments. And so like I feel better about

(27:39):
going through it. And then also when I'm talking
about the good stuff, dude, the level of gratitude I've had
lately for what we do and the people we help is just insane
because I'm talking about stuff on the mic and then I'm like,
man, I feel good. This is.
And it just makes you stop and go, holy shit.
Actually what we do is pretty crazy.
My life's not normal. And people like I was talking

(28:00):
about in the meeting, like clients telling their family
about us. And then you meet them and
you're like, holy shit, you talkto your closest people about me,
your coach. And it's like a different level
of appreciation that you forget sometimes, you know, especially
in the online space. So I think Paradigm Shift was
just, I mean, mainly just the YouTube thing.
I'm loving the YouTube. I've already got almost, I have

(28:20):
like a little bit left to film for the third episode, but I've
already got almost 3 full episodes done.
You're motoring. Yeah, motoring through the 1st
vlog's already out. It just aired as we're
recording. This second one will come out
next week. It'll just be every Friday.
Sweet. So I'm pumped.
But that was definitely one because I've I've said before,
like, I'm never going to do that.
It's very normal Now, though. Did I see people in my
neighborhood like little girls like putting their phone up on

(28:42):
their parents bumper and they'redoing like these dance moves and
I'll like look and they look at me and they just keep doing
their thing. They don't care.
And I'm like, man, if when I wasyour age, I would be mortified
if somebody saw me doing that. You know, not that what they
were doing is like, embarrassingnecessarily, but like, today's
world is just different. Completely different, that is.
Super normal and kudos to them for like that means like your
level of getting embarrassed haslike dropped significantly.

(29:04):
It's like, good for you. It's normal.
Yeah, I'd be very embarrassed. I still feel awkward.
Me too. I try to like sneak a picture of
me walking the track last night and I'm like looking around
like, you know, take a selfie and I'm.
Like, oh, OK, me and Grace here take a selfie and I'm like, is
it looking around you? OK.
It's so weird. All right, this segment is, oh,

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What does everyone listening need to read?
What book does everyone listening need to read?

(30:08):
If you just had to like the first one that comes to your
mind. OK, it's the first one that came
out of my mind and I don't want to choose it, but I kind of am
going to because it's so I feel like it got so popular so fast.
Atomic Habits. It's so good though dude.
It is really good and I hate it.I got a real posting tomorrow

(30:30):
about atomic. Habits OK, OK, it's so good.
So the fight that I'm having with it is that it got picked up
by every single business in the world.
It's it seemed like it and it felt like bosses were pushing it
on people who it was more of a make money.
Now read this book make money for my business as opposed to I

(30:51):
want you to grow as a person, right?
And that's what the book shows agreat amount of like helpful
tips to be able to. It doesn't matter whether it's
with your health and fitness, whether it's with just
productivity. If you want to make more money,
if you want to do all these things, it's just helpful things
to remove obstacles that are in your path, right?

(31:11):
Now 1 If you learn how he stackshabits and does like the system
of habits that James Clear uses,you can apply that to anything.
That's that's what it's about. So helpful.
It's so that's the one that I would definitely choose.
And I mean it's the secondary one.
If I had to, I'm going to do thenext one is like the the
obstacle is the the way I believe.

(31:33):
Ryan Holiday. That's a good one.
I will reread that book every time we go on any sort of plane
ride vacation. I'm bringing that book 10 times
out of 10 because all of those little paragraph tidbits.
I get absolutely pumped up reading that book.
I love that book. It's so good bro.
That one is that whole series isactually good by Ryan Holiday.

(31:55):
I'm trying to find the book thatI I can't remember what it's
called. Not caring.
It's not the subtle art of not giving AF.
Honorable mention for for the Fiction is going to be Project
Hail Mary Andy Weir. I mentioned this in the last

(32:15):
podcast. It hasn't been aired, but it
will be just a solid solid listen or solid read if you're
not really looking for a more personal development but did.
You start Wayward Pines yet? No, I'm still working my way
through Game of Thrones. That's right.
That's a long one, Game of Thrones.
It's going to take me a little bit of time to get through Game
of Thrones. You're.
Going to be in there for a minute.
I will be, but I mean, at this point in time, like it's really

(32:37):
cool. I've already, you know, I'd
watched all of the series beforehand and now, you know,
reading Slash, listening to it, picking up on so many small
things. I love it.
It's great. Oh, here he goes.
I'm, I'm like, I, I can't not pick this book now.
And I'm like, what is that guy'sname?
Doctor Michael Gervais I'm like just thinking of like, OK,

(33:00):
what's a book that I mean, I canthink of a lot of I love both
the books that you said, but thebook that I think people need to
read for the most people like listening.
I'm just thinking like, what is the most helpful book?
The First Rule of Mastery. Stop Worrying about What People
Think of you by Doctor Michael Gervais Blue book with like a
yellow tear in the middle of it with the stop worrying about

(33:22):
what people think about you. He was he's actually one of like
the mindset mental coaches for the Seahawks and stuff.
I don't know if it's the Seahawks anymore.
I think he moved on to differentplayers and stuff like that, but
he's worked with Olympic athletes, NFL athletes, CE OS
like a bunch of people. He's a good podcast too, but the
book is, I mean, it breaks down a lot of research as to how

(33:46):
people just don't actually remember.
Like this is a perfect example. What was the Last Post you saw
on Instagram? There's a zero chance I can tell
you. What was the Last Post you saw
from? Chris Bumstead, Chris

(34:07):
Williamson, Joe Rogan? It's me.
Literally. Nobody knows.
You don't remember? I don't remember what the last
thing I posted was. I do, but like I barely do.
I had to think about it for a SEC.
The point is, is that nobody gives a shit like it.
It's we post and then it's like,oh fuck, I wonder if people

(34:27):
think I'm stupid stuff. It's like they already forgot.
They scrolled by it and if they if they didn't like it, they
didn't even notice it. If they did like it, they liked
it and it that's great, but thenthey forgot.
It's very, very difficult to do something to an extent that
actually imprints on somebody's brain.
The only way you're going to do that is through consistent

(34:48):
impact, which is like coaching and stuff.
You know, it's like we talk every week, multiple times a
week for weeks on end. And then it sticks.
You know, you're then you're like, and part of that is sad
because you have to do a lot in life to be remembered after you
die. It's very unfortunate.
And there's, there's you can andthis another way to to really
paint the picture of what I'm talking about.

(35:09):
There has been numerous celebrities, the Queen of
England, different people that have passed away.
And if you're listening to this,unless that was your aunt, you
moved on and forgot about it until I just mentioned it
completely forgot, which is sad,but it's true.
And so it's like the there's only a small group of people who
are really going to remember youafter you die, which sucks.

(35:34):
I want to work my ass off to getmore people to Remember Me,
obviously, but I'm more focused on what my daughter remembers
more than anything. And usually what that means is
if I impact as many people as I can't, she's gonna remember that
I impacted so many people, right?
And I was with her a lot. But the point is, is that people
just don't remember. And they do these studies in
there that are so fascinating, like they make somebody, they do
with multiple people, they'll walk into like a a very busy,

(35:57):
crazy crowded place wearing a shirt that they deemed as
embarrassing, like you don't want to wear.
And the then they survey people to see who noticed somebody walk
in with an odd shirt or what wason that shirt.
And the amount of people who actually knew was like 1% if
that like it was so low and the person wearing the shirt guessed
that like 75% of people noticed and we're looking at them.

(36:19):
But it's like there's so many mind games we play in our heads.
It's wild. And that book was so helpful for
me because I just was reading itand I was like, I already felt
pretty good about the stuff, like I didn't pay too much
attention to it, but now I really just don't care.
Like this is like exactly what Ineeded to just be authentically
myself. And it helped me do that a lot

(36:39):
inside of my content. So my coaching and the feedback
I've gotten without people knowing that I was intentionally
trying to be more of myself and not like try to filter or try
to, I don't know, put like a mask on, you know, and just try
to be not like change who I am completely.
But, you know, put on a little bit of some because I know
certain people are watching here, certain people are
watching here. It's a lot easier to not do

(37:01):
that. Great feedback, you know, but
that is, dude, that book's a game changer.
I'm definitely going to. Have to read that you should
it's. I've used it with clients a lot,
like quoting that book to help them through stuff, especially
like with people who have judge mental families and they're
trying to diet, but their familytries to bring them down because
their family is overweight and they're insecure.
And so they try to poke fun at them and bring them down.

(37:22):
And then it's hard for them to consistently stay on point
because their family is poking fun and stuff.
And I've had clients who would go to like, you know, family
reunions and stuff like that. And it was this book helped me
guide them through that a littlebit because I could show them
different reasons in here. And it really just helped them
stick to it. Cause some of it is about people
don't notice, don't remember. And that means if you don't

(37:43):
have, you know, your cousin Sue's fatty coleslaw, whatever
dish at the BBQ, like she's not going to remember, doesn't
matter. But also it's, it's it, it
layers in a lot about how important it is to just do
things for you, you know, and, and make sure that you're happy.
And it's a phenomenal book. I wasn't planning on talking

(38:06):
about it that long. So much for Rap Fire, but that
is a must read. OK, the second question on this
one. And this will be good.
This is like a a quick lesson for life.
What's something you saw or weretaught while growing up that
helped shape your success today,which you feel today's world has
lost touch of and needs a reminder?

(38:27):
OK, I, I fought with this one growing up a lot because my dad
is a, an extremely hard worker. I mean, we talked about, you
know, him having a janitorial business and everything.
Most of the time the hours for that is while everyone else is
sleeping or they're not, you know, so he would leave, you
know, the, the house at 8:00 PM,He wouldn't get back till

(38:49):
usually 2/3, 4:00 in the morning, sleep a little bit and
then go do daytime work. This man literally would run off
maybe 4 hours of sleep, five hours of sleep.
He would make it to my baseball games, but there'd be plenty of
times where he couldn't. He's working, he's doing all
these different things. And when I was younger, I'd be
kind of resentful, to be honest.I'm like, he's always working,

(39:11):
that kind of thing. And he would have me come work
with him in the summer times when baseball was done.
So I'm sitting there just grinding through the night as a
like a 1415 year old, just like,can we please be done?
You know? So he, those lessons like that,
that kind of stuff when I got older.
Now I'm looking back and I'm like, there are so many things
where if it just takes a little bit of elbow grease, a little

(39:33):
bit of hard work. I have 0 issues doing that
because I've seen him do it for so long and provide for our
family in such an amazing way and learn from those lessons.
Like I can put my nose down. I can grind as hard as I need
to. Cause I've, I've seen him do it
and I've done it right. And I've also learned that
lesson of what do I not wanna do?
You know, I'm gonna be there. You know, when I have kids, I'm

(39:55):
gonna be at every single game. I am going to be asking them
constant questions. I wanna learn more about them.
I wanna do these things. And he's a great dad.
But it's, it's a different time,right?
Is a completely different time. And I love him for exactly what
he's done for us, for, for my life, for all of our, our lives.
And you know, my siblings and mymom and everybody.
But it just feels like there's that, that software update that

(40:18):
I'm like, ah, OK, you get that additional emotional
intelligence. You get that like a little bit
of like, I can do both. And I'm not going to rely on
work to have it be my entire personality.
But I can lean on it when I needto in short spurts, just like a
fat loss phase. I can lean on it for very short
spurts and absolutely grind. And I have that ability to go
deeper for sure. I, I hope this podcast, I always

(40:42):
like joke and say like it's, it's, it's a culture of hard
workers. You know, it's like, I hope this
instills that in people, 'cause I do think that is a lost, it's
a lost lesson in today's world. Like just working hard, you
know, You know, what I will say about that too, is 'cause I
experienced that as well, just like my dad working a lot and
being gone a lot there, that generation, it was excused.

(41:08):
And this isn't me, like bitchingand complaining, I understand.
But like that generation, nobodywas like, I don't know, like
nobody pointed at people who worked, you know, they provided
for their family. Yeah, they worked hard.
They missed a lot of things, buthe was providing for his family.
Like that's acceptable. Today's world.
If you do that, you're a, you'relike a bad dad.

(41:28):
You are somebody who is neglecting their family.
It's pretty crazy if you think about it.
And so it's like, and don't be wrong, like I don't like Shannon
will say all the time. She's like, oh, are you coming
to chair tonight? I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be
actually like, well, it's two hours and we just sit like, we
can't even go into the you don'thave to.
I'm like, no, I'm going to be there because I won't be like,
no, I'm there like 3 out of the four nights in a row.
I'm I want to make sure I'm there.
And I think it, it just what I'mgetting at is there's a higher,

(41:53):
it's not a burden 'cause it's, it really is a blessing, but
it's a higher level of responsibility for dads in
today's world because you are expected to provide and work
your ass off. And there's a lot of people,
unfortunately, who just want handouts and they don't know how
to work hard. But you are, you are responsible
of providing for your family, even if you're not the only one
working like a traditional family.
That's fine. But you still have to work and

(42:14):
provide, but you also need to behome and you also got to be
present and you also have to attend these.
Like it's a big responsibility, you know, and I'm, I'm all about
like, I, I want to do all that. So I'm going to work my ass off
to do it. But it is because you get called
out. If if like, if you're not that
dad in today's world, I see it online, you know, all the time,

(42:35):
like you just see it, but it's kind of crazy because like you
say, you're like, I totally get it.
He was working. Yeah, I mean, I understand it.
Yeah. You know, I just, I just would
choose something different. Yeah.
You know it's. Fine.
And today it's expected, you know, it's, it is pretty crazy,
but no, I love that. I think that's a really good
one, man. Mine, honestly, mine would be
pretty similar. I think, just like, I think the,

(42:58):
the, the lesson that people needto learn is probably that it's
just a hard work aspect. I, I think for me specifically,
it would be I 'cause my parents split up when I was pretty young
and my mom was never really welloff.
And then my dad would go in spurts like he, he's worked for

(43:20):
many different companies. So I just watched a lot of
fluctuation and it would be, youknow, mattress on the floor in
the apartment and then going to my dad's and like I had a nicer
room and stuff and then like, but then job switch this, you
know, and it's, it was just likethis weird.
So I actually just never got attached to money.
Like there was never there was and there was never a point like

(43:43):
even when I got into out of highschool and I wanted to do it was
always like I just well, if you want stuff while you get a job,
I guess how you got, you know, there was never any like
handouts or really help. My dad did pay for Community
College for me, but that was it.And it was like the day I
remember I lived with him and itwas shortly after I turned 18.
I had been saving up money from working at Rite Aid, and I was

(44:03):
working at the Community Center,and I wanted to go buy a new
car. And I showed him the picture of
the car I wanted to buy. I was like, it's a used car.
It was an Infiniti G35 coupe. It was dope.
And I was like, I want to get this.
And he was like, he laughed. He was like, how you going to
pay for that? And I was like, I've been
saving. And I had cash.
And he was like, so you're goingto make payments?
I was like, no, I have cash. He was like, can you afford

(44:24):
that? And I'm like, yeah.
And I remember the next day we went and got it.
I was like, I want you to come with me because he's a car guy.
Like, I don't know shit. I need you to look under the
hood. Make sure it's OK.
I got the car and then the next morning I woke up and there was
just all these receipts and bills on the table because I
still live with him. And he was like, this is your
how much food you eat. Here's your car, your gas bill,

(44:46):
here's your phone, here's your insurance.
And it was that one. He was like, since you can
afford that Infinity, you can afford to play all this.
I think I moved out like a monthlater because I was like, all
right, well, at this point, whatam I doing?
I milked it as long as I could but but like stuff like that
just not getting the handouts I think just helps so much.
It's a big lesson to learn. It is.
The earlier you learn it, the better you have more time to

(45:07):
adjust. That's a hard one to teach your
kids, man, when like I'm not this crazy baller, but I'm not
broke and I like to spoil my daughter.
But we have to be careful with it 'cause I'm like, man, the the
things that taught me the most growing up was not getting
things given to me too often andnot having a perfect situation

(45:28):
and getting into trouble and then learning the hard way.
You don't do that, you know, like certain things.
And it's like, and being around the wrong people and then making
a decision for myself. And it's like, but then you have
a kid and you're like, don't go anywhere.
I'm protecting you. Talking about control, you're
like, I'm going to control everything, but then you can't.
Dude, it's so hard because you got to be able to like, OK, go
off and learn, but then also I'mgoing to shelter you.

(45:50):
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This is a funny one. What's the dumbest thing you've
ever done in the gym? Oh, I know exactly.
OK, OK. This is popping, I read.
Immediately, immediately I was, I was at Bellevue Community

(46:32):
College playing baseball. So we're lifting.
This is after practice and this is a classic mistake that
eventually, once you like, are able to lift enough weight.
You either have seen it or you experience it.
Which was loading the plates improperly.
All on one side first. Right, so I actually had already
loaded them up fine. I got done doing with squats and

(46:54):
I was taking off. I had it was either 315 or
something like that on the boardand I, I started taking off 1
plate and then I take off 2 plates.
Next thing you know, all of a sudden the bar completely flies
off the rack and falls on the ground.
Thank goodness no one was like right next to me.
It could have been absolutely awful, but obviously it makes
this huge crash. I'm so embarrassed.

(47:16):
I'm like looking around and the soccer players who are lifting
also are just cracking up laughing at me, you know,
non-stop when I'm sitting there just red faced.
And I, I just remember thinking back at the time I was just so
embarrassed. But now thinking I'm like, I'm
just so thankful that no one wasnearby and actually got injured
'cause that could have easily just hit somebody and be like,
and this, you're going to the hospital.

(47:36):
No shit. That's the first thing that's
like immediately I I know that'sthe number one thing I regret.
And I'm going back and forth between two, you know, what's
funny is I don't do dumb shit when people are around.
Because when people around, I, Ithink I maybe once in the back
in the day when I didn't know better.
But now, like I'm ever since I became like a trainer, I've just

(47:58):
been so cautious about my form 'cause if somebody's watching, I
don't want to look like the trainer who's supposed to know
what he's doing, not knowing what he's doing.
So both of mine happened when nobody's around.
I mean, I did something dumb by accident.
I dropped the trap bar and brokemy foot.
Like that was stupid. It landed right on top of my
foot and just snapped the bone. Everybody was around.
I was carrying it for a client. It was stupid.
And I trained people in a boot that was embarrassing for like 8

(48:19):
weeks straight. But the two that come to mind
was were gym fails. One of them, it was a box jump
and it was set up in front of the window.
Thank God nobody was walking by.At the Plaza that the first
bigger ground was at. I set the boxes up and I stacked
all three and it was like APR and he did it and I was like oh
shit. So I went and got my phone set
up the camera on the desk and everything And I ate shit so
bad. I like came up on and it was

(48:41):
those old school ones that didn't like you could like it
was hollow like you could stack them on top of each other and
they would all fit. So my leg went underneath it and
I kicked it and then I smashed my shin and then like fell on my
chest. But then the boxes felt like it
was the worst crash and then I had to look over at the camera
and get up and walk over to it and turn it off.
I wish I saved it. It was so.

(49:02):
Dumb. The time where the band snapped
here and it snapped me in the butt.
I think I've showed you that one.
Nobody was here. I got it on the Ring camera.
That one I still have. It's hilarious.
I had to bruise, cross my butt and that wasn't even the one
that I was thinking of. That was another really bad 1
though. The I was doing the Smith
machine here when we had the Smith machine incline press, I

(49:25):
had like 225 on it and I just was not.
Again, you're just when you're by yourself, just kind of going
through the motions. And I thought I wrapped it and I
didn't. And I just at the top of my last
Rep, I just let go 'cause I thought I turned the hook and it
just slid down and just boom, just bounced off my chest.
But I was doing contest prep last time.
Did it hurt so bad? And then I was like kind of

(49:45):
breathing heavy and I was like, holy shit, did I crack my
sternum? Like thank God I didn't.
I mean, that's honestly, and this is not me, like I have a
big chest. But when you do have muscle,
like it's like if I didn't have any muscle, like dude, I don't
know what that would have done to me because it was bruised,
but I didn't crash my sternum, but 225 on the Smith machine
just sliding down on me. Crack something dude.

(50:06):
It was so bad. I definitely like I remember
standing up and like opening my chest and my sternum did crack,
like like you nut cracking goggles kind of thing.
But oh dude, that's brutal. That was brutal.
OK, second question for this andthen we're going to finish with
overrated. Underrated.
If you could go back and train your 20 year old self, what

(50:28):
would you have them do differently?
OK. Yeah, at 20 years old when I was
training, I hadn't quite got into like actually doing
personal training yet. That came towards like 2324.
So a lot of it was just baseballtraining.
If I was training them or training myself differently, it

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would probably be, it wouldn't even be training, but it would
be nutrition. Like I would just go home to
mom's house at that point in time staying with her and we'd
have lasagna and we'd eat, you know, I mean, it'd be anything
and everything snacks. Like she's the queen of Costco
at this point, dude. Like we'd have all the snacks
and I would, I, dude, she had every snack.

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You could ask all my friends, especially high school growing
up, they'd all come over to, to our house.
My mom loved that, 'cause she's like, yeah, I don't want you
guys going anywhere. Come over here and we'd have
every snack known to mankind. We'd be up playing video games,
having snacks, having a great time was awesome.
Every friend had, I had that friend with that house.
You said that. And I was like, I was Ken
Knutson. There you go.
Name popped right in my head. I was like, I remember that.

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You know, everyone has it and like that was that was that was
our house and she loved that. She thrived on it.
She wanted that. But also like we just had every
snack known to mankind. So dude, it was, it was tough
keeping weight at a decent rate,like practicing non-stop, but
you know, you can always overeat.
So diet and nutrition would havebeen the thing.
I could go back and, you know, have myself changed.

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Cuz training wise, like it was all programmed for us, you know,
like when you're an athlete, youknow, you have everything set
out to a team, you know what you're doing.
And it was good training, honestly, it got us really,
really strong. Yeah.
So I wouldn't change the actual training aspect of it at all,
aside from maybe in the summer times.
I'd go on these, these these diets just purely because I was

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like, you know, you show up, they'd have a thing at least for
baseball. They call it the fat camp and it
they always say PHAT, you know, but basically if you were over,
let's say like 13% body fat, youwere running 5 miles after
practice every like third day and it was very much like, all
right, get moving. Everyone on the fat pack go and
we're like, I'm on. The list Dude that is so funny.

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You cannot do that today. Not even close.
Definitely not. I mean, not not out loud, that's
for sure. It's like that movie.
It's not called Fat Can't. But we all thought heavyweights.
Heavyweights with Ben Siller. Yeah.
So I went on this diet where it was like so low carb.
I found it in a muscle and fitness.
I can't remember the name of it but it was literally just like
how to become like the 300 Spartan warrior diet.

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Dude, I think I know exactly what you're talking about
because when Gerald Butler's Yesmovie came out, yeah, I followed
a couple diets out of Men's Health magazine.
I followed Jay Cutler's diet onetime and I was like, I think
this is way too much protein. Yeah, it definitely worked.
I lost like 10 lbs that summer and I came in and guess who was
not on fat pack for the second year of baseball?
Let's go. Yeah, I know.
I'd be like coach, can I just run one mile after every

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practice? 5 miles every 3rd?
Come on man. Like.
Shit, yeah. So less training, more nutrition
for me in terms of that. That's good.
If I could train my 20 year old self different to be honest with
you, I'm actually in the same boat.
I don't think it would be training.
I got really lucky. So if we were to say, so I
graduated high school at 17 years old and that summer it was

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like, you know, we all party andthen a bunch of friends went off
to play college ball and most ofthem moved out of state or out
of the city and stuff like that.And then I was kind of left with
just a couple people and I was like, damn, this sucks.
Like I'm not going to go play soccer like I wanted to because
I was basically, I would, I struggled my weight all
throughout high school, but I had two different injuries to my

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knee. And it's like, damn, I don't
know what to do now because I had surgery.
And then it was like, I graduateand I'm heavy, you know, So I
was like, I'm going to start working out.
And I did the wrong stuff at first for sure, but it worked
like I, I tried a bunch of fad diets, crash diets, and then
eventually I started doing a better approach, which was
really just trying to eat healthy, to be honest with you.
And it created a calorie deficit.
I'm gonna stop drinking MountainDew and start drinking Diet

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Coke. Like little stuff like that.
Fat free milk. It's up to 2% in my cereal.
So I was 17 turning 18 that summer.
And but I lost a bunch of weightand I was doing like a lot of
random circuit training stuff and then stuff I'd find on T
Nation or bodybuilding.com. But I ended up getting an
internship when I was 19 with Luca.

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I basically was very blessed in that sense 'cause I go from
doing whatever I can find in a magazine to training with an
elite strength coach. And the whole training crew of
guys that would lift that night with us, they were all, I think
the youngest one at the time waslike probably my age now, 33 to
35. I think Luca was 35 at the time

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and I'm 19. So I'm like, I'm like this runt
training with the big dogs. And that worked really well.
And it was smart training. So like, but I, I didn't track
macros at all. I remember like going home after
a training session because we trained late.
I'd get home between like 10:30 and 11:30, you know, and go
home. And just, I'd like first start
with just like a big ass bowl oflike, quote UN quote healthy

(55:31):
granola. God knows how many calories that
was, but I didn't prioritize protein like I wanted to if
there was no like consideration of fats.
So if I could go back, I probably would focus on diet
more and I would have prioritized macros earlier to
get enough protein. All that and then I would have
not tried to stay so lean 'causeafter I once I did 'cause I did

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a show, my first show when I waslike 21.
And then I started like trying to stay really lean for a while.
And I think I could have built more muscle if I would have been
like, OK, I'm going to eat and I'm going to lift 'cause I'm 22
years old and I didn't, you know, which is normal.
Like you get abs and you're like, I'm never getting rid of
them. It's like, hey, like they'll
come back. But yeah, definitely nutrition.

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I think that's a common thing for younger guys, you know?
OK, Overrated, underrated. Do you have time still?
Because I know you got a Yeah. Yeah, I'm good.
OK. You guys got the game tonight,
right? Yeah.
Yeah. I didn't know if you had to.
I got you overrated. Underrated.
So we're going to choose. We're going to try to choose
one. There's a couple and we got 5

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topics. Diet, training, social media,
music, and then just anything random you want to throw out
there. So first one diet choose one
overrated, 1 underrated. OK, so if I'm talking about diet
and we're going, let's start with, let's see here, OK, we're
going underrated. And this is more of like a just

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like AI don't know. It's, I found it super, super
helpful for me 'cause one thing that people, you know, just have
a, a, a tough time with seems tobe meal prep and just like
getting everything prepared in general.
And it takes forever for some people, which I never
understood, but I get it, you know, to a certain extent, my
underrated for nutrition is actually an Instant Pot.

(57:18):
Oh yeah, those are clutch. Dude, OK, if you don't have an
Instant Pot or let's say a slow cooker or something along those
lines, it was a game changer forme immediately.
Whether it's your protein, whether it's potatoes, you know,
rice, like there's so many things like to me it was the
potatoes because I would, I mean, on a fat loss phase, I

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wasn't having very much rice. If I was, I was feeling really
sad because it was just a tiny little about it's just it's not
fun. So I would always go to potato
because I'm like, all right. That's like one of my first
moves when I go into a deficit. I haven't done it yet because I
didn't have to pull too many cars, but like, yeah, bring the
potatoes in. Yeah, the potatoes were there.
So Instant Pot, I mean, hey, we're not sponsored by Instant
Pot, but you know, I love my Instant Pot.

(58:01):
That thing gets used every single week.
I just hope it never dies on me.Dude, for the longest time, like
Shannon not that long ago was like, why don't you cook like
your beef and all that other stuff in this too?
And I was like, why would I cookit in a rice cooker?
She's like, this is an instant pot.
And I was like, oh shit, I just,I've only used it for rice.
I thought it was a rice cooker, Like Nope.

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And then I found out you can do a lot in that thing you.
Can do so much. Yeah.
OK. So that's underrated.
What's overrated? Overrated.
OK, this is going to be more, we'll just say variety in your
diet for a fat loss phase. This one is a huge one for me
because there's so many times where you might say you want

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variety, but in reality, when you look at your diet already,
there's not that much of varietyto it.
There might be variety in like your dinner or a snack here and
there, but you wake up and if you're not following a plan, oh,
I'm running through Starbucks, I'm getting a coffee and I'm
getting a bagel. Oh, on another day, I'm getting
a coffee and I'm getting a, a spinach wrap.
You know, lunch is always these two same places.

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There's Jersey Mike's and there's this like you're
probably eating pretty similar foods, maybe like 2 to 3
choices. They're just not the choices
that are going to help you on your fat loss journey.
And variety does make it way harder, yeah, to track, to prep,
to think of like. And you can have variety like I
always tell people too, like, OK, how many servings of fruit

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are you having a day? Two or three?
OK, cool. So have strawberries and banana
and oranges. That's variety.
And then after a week, change the strawberries for
blackberries and then for raspberries and then for
blueberries. But just keep them berries
because it makes your lifeway easier.
You don't have to change the whole recipe or the macros or
anything, 'cause it's almost thesame outside of blueberries
maybe, but 100 grams is almost the same for all of those.
It's very close. So like I agree, I understand.

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I think people, that's one that just I think bites people in the
ass. I mean.
Sometimes I I sit there and I'm like, well, variety's great.
You say that now, but you know what feels really great?
It's also seeing consistent progress.
Nothing feels better than that. And also too, I think that
people think they want variety. Really what you want is you
don't want to be limited or restricted, so you don't.

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If we say don't have variety andyou interpret that as I can't
have the things I want to have, that throws up a red flag.
And I understand that's a psychological barrier, though
most of the time if if you lead a client to like choose to eat
the same things and then show them how to be flexible so they
can enjoy a dinner out with their wife or their husband or
whatever, now all of a sudden it's like, oh, I don't even need

(01:00:33):
variety. Like I've found that for me
personally and for the clients like to be the best way to go
bounce. Like, hey, let's keep minimal
variety, like day-to-day, let's have the same breakfast everyday
and you can have variety within that breakfast, but keep it the
same, standardize it, and then let's build in some flexibility
so you can enjoy the weekend andstuff.
Yeah, I think defining variety in that sense is a good idea
because I'm not talking necessarily about like, like

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what you said. Oh, I have a template.
I have a default meal that I canswap certain things in and out.
I want egg whites today. I want a Turkey, Turkey sausage.
I want this, I want whatever. You can swap those things out.
And if that's variety, amazing, wonderful.
What I'm talking about is wakingup and being like, cool.
I'm just, I just, I feel like going through Denny's.
I just feel like going through and, and I have a craving for

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this. I have a craving for that.
And this is where I want variety.
It's like, no, you just have cravings and urges and you're
wanting to splurge right now. And, you know, maybe you feel
pigeonholed by a certain diet instead of, like, leaning on
that flexibility. This is probably the best
tactical thing for people to listen that are struggling with
that. Build variety into a daily plan
that you can repeat 'cause variety that's repetitive means

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plan. Cause the problem is if somebody
wants variety day-to-day, they want change every day.
It means you can't meal prep, you can't plan ahead.
Really. That's where you screw yourself.
So it's like if you can plan your whole week and you can
build in variety throughout the day, but repeat that day
throughout the week, you win. And then this weekend you're
going go shopping, change a couple things, that's fine.
But like rinse and repeat. It's so helpful.

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Yeah, I totally agree with you on that.
OK, so diet for me it's hard notto pick that same thing dude
that's that for the for the overrated 1 underrated on the
diet. I would say dude, I'm just going
to say bro meals. It's like a random one, but I

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think I think like a like a low fat, high carb diet.
It works really well. It it's it's very hard for
people to do at first 'cause they don't know how to choose
low fat meals. But if you, and this sounds
boring, but like if you eat likea bro, it's pretty simple.
But honestly, like you, if you look at like diets that are
going to improve gut health, diets that are going to build

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most muscle, get you lean, most of them lean towards bro meals
anyway, because bro meals are going to be meats, potatoes,
rice, oats, like whole grains, veggies, fruit, oils for fat,
you're done. It keeps you feeling so good,
keeps you very lean, makes macros tracking easier.
So I think if like to me, that'svery underrated because people
try so hard to fit in flexible foods.

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Maybe that's what it is. Flexible dieting is overrated.
I think that's what it is because flexible dieting gets
taken too far. You know, you can be flexible
diet, don't get me wrong, but it's actually way easier to be
flexible on the things you love and enjoy when you eat like a
bro, quote UN quote or repeat the same meals throughout the
week. I would much rather eat the same
thing that makes me feel good and then I don't got to think

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about it throughout the week. And then I enjoy and people
always when they see me post stuff on my story, they always
say like, how do you enjoy that and stay lean?
Because I eat really simple throughout the week and I don't,
I I don't want wine and pizza and random shit throughout the
week. I've got work, I got training.
I want to be fuelled. And then on the weekend, yeah, I
want to enjoy something good with my family.
And I can because the week was dialed in.

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It makes it 10 times easier, youknow.
So I would say overrated for me is flexible dieting.
Underrated is man, I don't you think I would have thought about
these before we started this too.
I didn't for diet underrated is this is going to be weird, but

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I'm going to say a greens drink,man.
It's not necessarily underrated because obviously they're
popular, but I think in the fitness space for like, well,
like really knowledgeable fitness professional stuff, they
know it's not like, OK, bro, it's a greens drink.
Like take a multivitamin and eatsome broccoli.
You'll be fine. Like 100% you don't eat them.
I think it's underrated because it is a very positive habit to

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start your day with talking about Atomic Habits.
When you start with a greens drink.
It does to me like that's the biggest benefit is the mental
side. It just starts my day with
choosing a healthy thing. And I feel like that is like a a
catalyst for the rest of the day.
I drank my greens drink this morning.
I'm starting on a good foot. You know, I just, I don't know.
So I'm going to say Greens drinkfor that reason is underrated.

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I like that for that reason because you're like, initially
I'm sitting like really like a greens drink.
Like don't get me wrong, I've had greens drink before.
I'll have it here and there, butit's not something that I'm
like, whoa, like underrated. Like the start, the first thing
you're doing, you're getting up going and you're just having a
greens drink. And it's like it's that first
step towards the rest of the dayand you could choose anything.
Most people just write for coffee, right?

(01:05:15):
You know, first thing in the morning and they're like, it's
chaos right from the beginning. You know, the kids are
screaming, you got to get to school, you're doing this.
But that might be your only timethroughout the day where you're
like, OK, that's a very mindful present greens drink.
Start the day right. I have a electrolyte drink,
coffee and green drink before anybody wakes up.
Like that's always, dude. I've been having a green drink

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every morning, literally, I'm not exaggerating, for probably
six or seven years now straight every day.
That is a supplement I always have in my cabinet, which is
hilarious because I know it's not like if you were like, you
can only take one supplement forthe rest of your life.
I'd be like, shit, it's not that.
It's probably creatine, you know?
But like I dude, it's just, it's, I think it's a really

(01:05:58):
positive way to start your day. Anyway, that's a good one.
Training overrated and underrated.
All right, training, let's dive into this.
OK, so let's start off with overrated for training.
And this is coming from someone,I mean, I've been at personal
training for 11 years. People really, really love this

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topic when they come in and it'sbalance training, OK.
Now balance training in a sense of they think of balance as like
put me on an unstable disk or a BOSU ball, something along those
lines like that is going to improve their balance.
That improves nobody's balance anywhere, anytime, anyplace,

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because you're never what are you like on the water?
Like trying to like awkwardly stay on the.
Same you're training for like wipe out the show.
Yeah, right. Exactly.
That's what somehow they're imagining that to me, it's so
overrated when something that's going to improve your balance is
going to be more power and reactive training and almost
like just normal unilateral, Yeah, exactly.

(01:07:00):
Unilateral work, doing split squats, doing lateral lunges,
doing all these different movements where you're building
strength in those positions, that's how you're gonna end up
building that better balance. And a lot of times, I don't know
about you guys, but I'm not purposefully putting myself in a
weird balance position if I losemy balance because you tripped
on the curb when you're trying to step somewhere and now you're

(01:07:21):
catching yourself. So when I put on like, oh I'd
rather work on power and reactive, it's to be able to
have the reactions to go catch myself.
Yeah, right, injury. You know, like, how many times
are we losing our balance just because I like, leaned over on
one leg? Yeah, it's funny, 'cause like
people would do that shit for like sports specific.
If you think about it, it's likeagain, like you're not playing
basketball during an earthquake.Like, so it's probably if you

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think of like, OK, where do you need to maintain balance my
day-to-day. OK, what are you doing
day-to-day that it's not when you're sitting, you know, OK, so
it's when you're standing up offthe chair or it's walking up and
down the stairs or it's walking straight, it's jogging.
So all of those things are just they're unilateral patterns.
You know, maybe you do some likeRNT work, like put a band on
your knee and do a lunge or some.

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So it's plenty lottery, maybe something like that.
But if you work on mobility in your ankles and you're doing
unilateral training, I feel likeyou're going to get plenty of
balance, you know? And then, like you said, the
rest is just reactive time so that when you do fall, you don't
hurt yourself. It's so good, man.
It's so true. So that would be my my
overrated, my underrated, surprisingly enough, actually is

(01:08:25):
going to be body weight exercises specifically for
strength. I can't tell you how many times
in the gym you see it doesn't matter if it's, you know, men or
women, but tell me how many you like.
Can you pump out 20 push ups? Can you do 5 to 10 chin UPS or
pull ups? Good form with good form, right?
We're you can do reverse Nordics, you can do all of these

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different exercises for that arejust body weight.
Reverse Nordics are so brutal. They're tough, they're so
challenging and they're really, really good for you.
And they immediately want to go to and grab a barbell, load up
the weight and start just throwing weights around.
And, and I'm sitting there goinglike you haven't even built up
the necessary strength just to do body weight stuff and even

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joints, you're trained in body weight.
Your joints feel great. I always feel better after
reverse Nordics. Like my knees feel better.
Like you improve range of motion9 times out of 10 with the guys
I'm like at some point in time we're we're doing push ups.
Yeah, they did a study on reverse Nordics or glute ham
rays, same thing recently on forathletes to see what was like

(01:09:29):
best for muscle growth, joint support and tendon ligamency and
stuff like that. Nordics outperformed seeded
Laker, Lion, Laker, all that like by a landslide.
I I, I've actually been doing a lot more to your point, there's,
there's benefit to loading for muscle growth because you have
to overload. But the like if a guy's doing a

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bench press and he's trying to load it to build muscle and his,
he's get achy joints, it's like,OK, let's master the push up and
come back to our do be able to do more chin UPS.
I promise your bench is going togo up.
It sounds weird, but trust me, like you've been in the gym long
enough too. You know, this like it just
that's how it works. But I've been doing a lot
because my joint health is a priority for me right now.
And it's it is like you can still create a lot of tension in

(01:10:14):
the muscle to build it, but yourjoints feel way better and less
banged. Up and even in this scenario I'm
not saying to do all body weight.
It's. Like, right, if you're hitting
your main movements and you're already doing your dumbbell
chest press, you're doing your rows, you're doing whatever it
may be you've gotten, even if you're a power lifter, you're
doing your 5 by fives, you're doing whatever it is.
What's your accessory work look like?
Are you skipping that because you're like, just got done with

(01:10:36):
my squat day? Terrible.
Let me go ahead and hop on my phone real quick and then look
around and leave, right? Like are you doing some extra
work that you can add some accessory volume to?
Yeah, well, and I'm, and I'm allabout aesthetics, obviously,
like I love training for muscle growth and fallos.
But also like if you're super strong and you look great, but
you you go to do a dip and your shoulder gives out or you don't

(01:10:57):
have the strength to get yourself up and like that's an
issue, you know what I mean? There's there's certain levels
of functional strength that you should just have to test.
Part of why we're doing the combine the way we are.
There isn't a dip test. Just Nick wanted to put in there
and I told him no. So you got you guys can think if
you're going to jump in overrated.
Underrated for me on training. Overrated is functional

(01:11:19):
bodybuilding for sure. And I literally mean it from a
sense of and this sounds mean and I'm not like a mean person.
I'm not going to say names, but from the sense of exactly how
you see people do it online, I'mtalking about literally the
influencers who are pushing functional.
But like yes, calling them out, I'm not going to say names, but
those individuals who say functional bodybuilding for

(01:11:43):
muscle growth and and strength, even all this stuff, no,
functional bodybuilding is greatfor rehab.
That style of functional bodybuilding.
Functional bodybuilding to me iswhat we do for performance
bodybuilding, which I've been saying that since it was boom.
I mean, I've been saying that for years now.
It's using less machines, probably because you don't have
machines. It's still being athletic, you

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know what I mean? But like, you can still move
while you can be explosive, but your main goal is hypertrophy,
right? But functional bodybuilding is
basically like you can't use machines And it's just, I don't
know, it's so dogmatic and in every single position they put
themselves in reduces the volumeplaced on their muscles.
Like it's literally like intentionally putting yourself
in these weird functional positions and loading up in a

(01:12:25):
weird way that limits how much weight you can live and how much
tension you can apply to the muscle for everything.
It's different to say like like right now, for example, I'm not
doing any heavy overhead pressing.
I'm doing half feeling kettlebell press, landmine press
because I just went through a back injury.
If I load up my spine by doing overhead presses, which is
actually the thing after I heardit, I went to do and it made it

(01:12:47):
10 times worse because I have, you know, I can overhead press
185 lbs for reps like I've builtthat up, but that's a lot of
weight to press in a spinal erect position.
You know, like that's not OK. So I'm doing those functional
bodybuilding exercises because I'm limited there.
I'm not trying to build my shoulders, but I'm not doing 1/2
kneeling bottoms up hold while Ido a curl to build my biceps.

(01:13:11):
I'm getting on the cable and lifting as heavy as I can for
biceps, you know, So I think it's like to your point, like
you weren't saying all body weight, like you can't just
sweep away everything else. But I just see a lot of people
doing this functional stuff and I would just encourage people.
And this goes for hybrid athletes too.
I love hybrid training. I think it is the best way to
train for longevity. But there's a lot of people who

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see the hybrid athlete guys and they see the functional
bodybuilding guys and they assume that's how you build
muscle. Now those guys built muscle from
lifting heavy and bodybuilding, bodybuilding and powerlifting.
And then eventually they were like, I'm going to start doing
hybrid because I care about morethan just how strong I am and
how I look. I want to run far, I want to be
functional, I want to live long.So just know that like that's
you got to look at the whole picture.
You know what I mean? So that's my overrated for sure.

(01:13:59):
Underrated is, you know, Once Upon a time I would have said
aerobic work because nobody was doing it.
Now everybody's doing it. So I can't really say it's
underrated. That was a paradigm shift for
me. Maybe I avoided it like a plague
because I don't love it, but same.
Here actually. Dude, you feel so much better
when you do it a little bit, youknow?

(01:14:20):
So underrated for me man. For training that is so hard.
Actually, you took a good one. I had a lot to say about
functional bodybuilding. What was overrated?
Underrated. I would say specialty bars.
Oh yeah. I think that there's a lot of
gyms that don't invest in them. If you're a garage gym owner or

(01:14:43):
if you are a gym owner, invest in specialty bars.
Like they will keep your client safe and like you can lift
better and heavier without injury.
They're literally designed basically specialty bars.
For those listening, this would be like a, a neutral bar, a
safety bar with like the pads onyour shoulders, a bent bar.
It's a cambered bar, EZ curl bar, a Zurcher bar, trap bar,

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like all these different weird crazy shape bars.
They're basically designed by guys who got so beat up from
powerlifting that they're like, I still want to lift but I can't
lift with a regular barbell. How do I like bend and and
torque this so I can still lift weights?
So if the old beat up body or power lifter uses it to prevent
injury, like all of us should beusing it, you know, So hands

(01:15:24):
down, that's that's definitely yeah, underrated for sure.
That's a good one. OK, we're going to skip the
anything one at the end because we kind of threw some in here
anyway, I'll bring that to that.The other guests that come on
the show, the last two are social media and music.
So let's start with social media.
Underrated. Overrated.
OK, we were talking about this earlier, but in terms of social

(01:15:45):
media, same with kind of like the diet aspect of this to go
along with say variety, right? But it's like the the fit
influencer who is making the 47 ingredients macro friendly
pizza. You know that you can toss it in
the air fryer and it takes you 2hours to make.

(01:16:06):
It tastes like cardboard. Right, right now some of them
might taste OK, but let's be real, like real here.
I would rather just have pizza at that point.
Right? We go back to simplicity.
If you're on a fat loss phase, Iget wanting to have, you know,
you're going to have cravings, you're going to have urges.
It's good to learn how to sit with those.
And at the same time, if you have a planned refeed day, have
a slice of pizza. My God, I mean, like you're

(01:16:29):
going to scratch that itch a whole lot better than if you
spend all this time making this cottage cheese based, you know,
Turkey pepperoni, perfect littlepizza that you're sitting there
eating, going. I really wish I had a slice of
pizza from my favorite pizza spot.
Yeah, and and you, you hit the nail on the head with the sit
with the craving. I think that's, that's

(01:16:50):
underrated people. If you don't do that, you don't
learn to control your urges and your temptations.
Like that's what self-control is.
It is being able to recognize the craving, the urge and then
not give into it. And that's what allows you to
really eliminate them long term.I'll just say this to you for
people listening who are like, but I like the cauliflower
pizza, what I've seen my wife doand it actually turns out pretty

(01:17:13):
good. She gets recipes like that, but
she ends up getting them from people who are, for example,
like they're actually celiac, sothey can't have gluten.
So this person figured out a wayto make pizza with cauliflower
and cod cheese, all these things.
They're not concerned about it being high protein and macro
friendly. And so if you really want to
make a, a quote UN quote healthyversion, you're better off

(01:17:35):
finding somebody who's like vegan or lactose intolerant or
celiac. They can't have gluten because
those people are less concerned about how many calories and
usually taste better. It'll still probably be less
than a Domino's Pizza calories wise.
But like, my neighbor made a cottage cheese 1 and I was like,
that's weird but it was because they can't have some of the
ingredients. And then Shannon made this
version of it and it was really good.

(01:17:56):
I was shocked. That came down to intention.
Exactly. You know, is it right?
Right. Exactly.
It's completely different, but that made you know, that makes a
lot of sense. Now for social media, I would
say for underrated is going to be posting specifically your
goals or your journey on a regular basis and sharing with,

(01:18:18):
you know, the world, your friends, your family, even.
I mean, I know we're talking social media for this one, but
like telling people what you aredoing and not trying to hide
from it and watch them literallysupport you like crazy you.
I can't, no one is out there looking for people to fail.
Anytime I see someone post like from my friend group or people I

(01:18:41):
grew up with, if they're trying to do something and they, they
put it out into the world, it doesn't matter if I agree with
it or not. Like, like fitness wise and
nutrition wise, whatever. I'm hyping them up.
So I'm like, look at you. You're, you're trying to better
yourself and you're actually brave enough to post about it.
People are going to come out of the woodwork to support you.
I'm going to be your cheerleader, even if I haven't

(01:19:01):
talked to you in 10 years. It's scary to do that.
But the people who do that, there's that extra level of
like, oh, man, that's tough to do, man.
It really is. But when you do it on a regular
basis, wow. I mean it it, it, it's a game
changer. Yeah, that's good.
It's so helpful. Underrated for social media for

(01:19:22):
me is I would say this sounds funny, but I mean, there's a
couple ways to do this. I was going to say first was to
say unfollow. Unfollowing people is
underrated, but I think really just limiting social media
because that's really what like people don't audit their
environments enough. And I think that one of the
things that's really underrated with social media would be to go

(01:19:44):
in and unfollow people who don'tserve you.
I even unfollowed like I went back and I was like, I follow
some rappers that I'm just like,I don't want to see somebody
like glorify and praise money and women the way they do.
And I'm like, look, I know it's the rap world.
I grew up listening to rap and, and at one point almost like

(01:20:05):
idolizing what rap was and who who some of these people were
shamefully. But now I say this shamefully,
but like that's not where I'm atin my life.
So I'm like, I'm just going to like unfollow it, you know what
I mean? And there's also people that
like, man, I can't be myself because I'm worried about so and
so seeing them. OK, well, are they like you're
close? Sibling or something?

(01:20:25):
No, OK, I'm following like just get rid of it.
And then to that same point is like just this weekend, don't
open the app, you know like I dothat on Saturdays sometimes
where I'm like, I'm just not going to open it at all.
And it's like wow, that's a brush for it there, you know and
look, don't get me wrong, I still have it.
I've never deleted it 'cause I'mgoing to use it.
It's for business and I'm helping people.
But also like you need a break, you know sometimes.

(01:20:46):
So it's I think just auditing that whole thing.
I think it's very underrated. Overrated would be, man, I'm
going to say this because selfishly I want things to be
differently, but just like stupid funny short form videos,
there's nothing I can do to likecrush that trend.

(01:21:08):
And no, me wrong, me and Shannonget sucked into some of these
funny videos sometimes and we'rejust watching them and laughing.
So I don't really want them to go away.
But I'm also like, man, I reallywish that because I think the
short form stuff is overrated tothe point where it was like
92nd. It was, remember IGTV was like 5
minutes and then it went to three and then it went to 90
seconds and it still is there. But now it's like, if you don't
have a video that's less than 30seconds, sorry, and you have to

(01:21:29):
capture somebody's attention within 3 seconds, what on earth
can I do besides like RIP my shirt off at the beginning of a
clip? You know what I mean?
Like howl, that is so crazy. So to me, I think that part is
just overrated people's attention span.
That's also why I like YouTube. Like my first vlog is 30 minutes
long. You know, my segment's probably
going to be longer because I took it with me to Cali when I
went and saw my client compete. But like, it's just I, I think,

(01:21:53):
I mean, I can even say that too.Long form social media content
is underrated. Short form is overrated.
Totally. You know, music.
This will be interesting. Underrated.
Overrated. See this is where.
That was a paradigm shift for me.
Yeah, OK. Dude, Theo responded to my story
the other day and he was like, he said that album's fire and it
was Morgan Wallin. And I was like, bro, I never

(01:22:13):
thought you would ever say this to me.
And then I and then I was like also, I never thought I would be
listening to country because I hated country.
But that's all. Right, all right, music wise,
this is tough. And I, I, I explained this to
you guys when we went on our first meet up.
This was at Vegas for High Rocks.
Being in a gym for 10-11 years. Music has a way of like not

(01:22:37):
being music anymore. You hear so many types of music
that the ones that I lean towards now, if I'm going to
listen to music slow, I'm thinking like 90s country.
And I don't even know the artist's name because I'm not
even, I'm just typing into Spotify and I'm thinking this is
like twangy 90s. It's the classic, you know, I'm

(01:22:58):
thinking Shania Twain, Garth Brooks.
Like those ones popped up to me that are very underrated for me
because I never grew up listening to country.
It was Eminem, it was Linkin Park.
It was those kind of types of music.
Yeah. Limp Bizkit all the.
Things I'll never let my. Yeah, 100% right.
The ones that my dad and my mom would, every time I wanted
Eminem on there, they're like, absolutely not.

(01:23:19):
There is no chance. He was like the devil you know,
especially in the early 2000s. There's no.
Chance so good, so good. So we'd always ride with, you
know, some other parent to the to the game and like maybe dad
would play there, you know. So that would definitely be one
that's like an underrated and then overrated for me is
definitely I mean, I don't even listen to it really anymore, but
like I'm thinking mumble rap. Oh God.

(01:23:41):
I hate it. It gets so.
Popular. I've never liked it.
It was always popular like this is earlier on, you know, before
being in a relationship. Like we got offset came out or
not offset. No, he was in the group Migos.
Yes, yes, and I understand it. It's great.
It's fine. People really like love that and
it'll be played at clubs all thetime or bars.
And that was when the environment I was going out

(01:24:02):
because I was single and it's just going out and all this
stuff. But every time I'm over
happening, dude, I couldn't. I'm like, I felt like an old man
because I'm like, am I like justgrumpy and annoyed because
everything on being played is like, yeah, I was like.
Yeah, I never. Yeah, I agree.
That is definitely overrated. I've never liked it because when

(01:24:23):
I I grew up listening to like punk and like, like hardcore,
and then I started listening to rap.
But when I started listening to rap, it was like my first album
I ever got. I bought 2 at the same time I
bought Nas, Illmatic and Jay-Z. Reasonable Doubt, two of the
greatest hip hop albums of all time.
And then I went on this like wave of everything I listened to
was like poetic, you know, it's like I was listening to old

(01:24:46):
Biggie and then like Outkast andAndre 3000, even Kanye back in
the day, you know, and then Jay-Z early on and it was just
different, you know, it was about what you say and how you
say it, like the lyrics. And now everything is like it's
just one, I mean the words some like the profanity and that now
I feel like a really old man. It is to the point where I'm

(01:25:07):
like, God, I don't even want to listen to this.
This is insane, but it is. It's just you can't understand
anything to say no, you know, sotrue.
So I'm going to say overrated for me is techno like any kind
of techno to me is just very overrated.
It either gives me anxiety or I just need more substance to it

(01:25:30):
'cause I just picture like and look like This is not me
throwing shades. If you like going to raves, if
you like, let's not go do your thing.
But like, if I don't hear like, I like lyrics, 'cause it tells a
story. I like the pain in somebody's
voice or the passion in somebody's voice because it is,
it's an artist. But like, techno is just like
electronic noises to me. And so I there's just nothing

(01:25:50):
behind it. There's no meaning, you know,
it's like a brand, like I won't even involve myself or like
really invest into a brand if there isn't a meaning.
I can be like, that's a really cool looking shirt and stuff,
but I love a brand. So for me, overrated for sure.
Is techno underrated? Is man, I would have said

(01:26:11):
Christian music a while ago, butit's kind of blowing up now
because of a few people. And like Brandon Lake came out
with a song with Jelly Roll and now his stuff is just going
crazy. He's like on the Billboard.
Frank Forrest has been on the Billboard every time, which is
great because my daughter can hear good music and background.
Like I grew up and the only thing in the background was like
Nirvana and which I loved and I still love that those bands.

(01:26:36):
But but yeah, it's, it's really popular, but I would say, I'm
still going to say it's underrated because when I first
started like exploring my faith,I remember a mentor saying
trying to challenge me to like ayear of nothing but Christian
and worship music. And I laughed at him.
I was like, brother's no way. I love music.
There's no way. There's no way I can do that.

(01:26:58):
And I didn't I'm. Going to be honest.
But I did it for a period of time.
I didn't do it for a full year. I didn't listen to any rap for
over a year, like any non Christian rap.
So no Lil Wayne, no drag, nothing.
And I didn't even do it on purpose.
I just it just kind of like kindof went away.
But I still listen to like metaland some like sounds kind of
demonic. You know, I was playing Slipknot

(01:27:19):
in the gym the other day, but Christian music, I was surprised
at how many good Christian rappers there are that you
wouldn't even realize they're Christian.
Same with some not as much rock,but like some like country style
rock. And then but a lot of rappers,
I'm like shocked at how many rappers there are that are
actually really dope. I mean, Lecrae came out with a
song with E40 the other day. Like, so it's like it's

(01:27:41):
blending, dude. It's, it's pretty crazy.
But I'm going to say it's underrated because I think it's,
and it's cool too, because like being able to listen to rap and
not having to like worry about what my daughter's hearing when
she's in my truck or something is actually like a comforting
feeling, you know? But I always think about like if
I'm driving down the street in my neighborhood and I'm blasting
that the window's down and there's like the old guy, like
all these hooligans and he has no idea.
He's like, it's like preaching, but like it's I'm just tattooed

(01:28:04):
guy and he's probably like thesefuckers.
Like coming down there. Yeah, but I would say that and
I'm I'm very confident about theoverrated though I can't stand.
Technology no 100% I'm I'm thinking back to like I'm like,
if you want to add another underrated on there in terms of
music. I used to do this and I got to
get back to it. Now it's just reminding me, but
almost like starting your day off with a similar song.

(01:28:25):
I think for at least three months straight.
I can't remember when the when the song came out, but it and or
if the song is is just called good day.
But it's like I'm going to have a good.
Day. That's Forrest Frank.
OK, there you go. Forrest Frank.
I didn't even know the name. I just know the and.
That's a Christian artist. There you go.
But people wouldn't know it. No, no.
And I started my day for like atleast three months straight
listening just to that song, just like you would have your

(01:28:48):
greens drink. And it puts you in that mood of
like, man, it's, it is going to be a good day or I'm all
starting on the a a good. Path Every day on the way to
school, my wife would. And then when I would drive
Blakely to school, I use I woulddo it like once a week.
It's summer right now, same thing.
We listen to that song Crazy. And she'd be in a bad mood some
days and we'd be like, we're playing it.
I don't want to listen to the song.

(01:29:08):
It's like, too bad. That's an underrated for me.
Yeah, that no, that is that's 100% true.
I, I actually listen to Bigger Than Me by Big Sean, which seems
a little bit different, but it'stalking about how his, his, like
his mission is. It's bigger than just him.
You know, he's talking about hiscity and like trying to do it
for Detroit and all this kind ofstuff and lifting them up.

(01:29:28):
But if you just listen to it andyou apply it to whatever mission
you're chasing, I was like, thatwas the song for me.
And I would listen to it every day on the way to the office.
It's. Good.
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