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March 3, 2025 17 mins

Ever found yourself lost in the darkness during an ultra run, questioning why you ever started this crazy journey? Let me take you on a personal adventure through the moonlit trails where perspectives shift, and challenges morph into serene experiences. Discover how the tranquility of running under a starlit sky can transform a daunting obstacle into one of the most beautiful parts of your ultra running journey. In this episode, I share how breaking the long nights into manageable segments helps in maintaining focus and positivity, along with personal stories from races like the Peak District 100 that turned the night into a canvas of cherished memories.

We get into:
• Shifting focus from darkness as an obstacle to an adventure 
• Breaking the night into smaller, manageable goals 
• Utilizing music and treats to keep spirits high 
• Connecting with fellow runners and volunteers for support 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello again and welcome.
If this is your first time withus, I definitely appreciate you
stopping by and taking a listen.
You are tuned into the Chooseto Endure show, the podcast
dedicated to the back of thepack runners, where we share
stories, interviews, gear andtraining tips specific to the

(00:22):
tail end heroes of the ultrauniverse.
My name is Richard Gleave.
I've been running ultras nowsince 2017.
I have taken on and finishednumerous ultra distances, all
the way up through 220 miles,and I am unashamedly a member of
the back of the pack, just likemany of you may be.

(00:44):
Now, today, we're going to getinto a topic that I would say
pretty much every ultra runnerwill face at some point as they
go up through the mileage thatthey're trying to conquer, and
that is those long, dark hoursof night when exhaustion sets in
doubt, creeps in and the trailcan feel pretty endless.

(01:09):
If you've ever been out thereat 2 am questioning your sanity
and your life choices, you knowexactly what I'm talking about.
But here's the good news is thegood news there are ways to
stay motivated, to keep movingforwards and maybe even find a

(01:30):
little beauty in thosechallenging hours.
So in this episode, I'll besharing a few strategies I came
up with for pushing through thedarkness, including, of course,
as ever, some tips and thoughtsfrom my own experience and the
lessons that I've learned overthe years.
Whether you're out for a run,commuting, just taking a

(01:51):
breather, whatever it is, let'sjump in and talk about how to
stay motivated when the nightfeels endless.
Discover raw, inspiring storiesfrom runners who've been right
where you are.
This is the Choose to EndureUltra Running Podcast With your

(02:12):
host he's English, notAustralian Richard Gleave.
Okay, strategy number one isall about shifting your
perspective.
I think the first key tostaying motivated at night for
me is changing how you thinkabout it.

(02:34):
So, instead of seeing thedarkness as an obstacle, try to
maybe embrace it as a part ofthe adventure, and a really
unique part of the adventure atthat.
The night is a very special timein ultra running, usually not

(02:54):
always, but usually it's quieter, more serene.
When the rest of the world andthe rest of nature goes to sleep
, you're still out there.
It often can feel like anentirely different world
compared to the day.
You've got stars, hopefully aslong as it's not chucking it

(03:16):
down with rain, as I've beenthrough, but hopefully you've
got stars, moonlight and reallyjust the stillness of the
surroundings.
They can create moments of calmand even wonder.
This isn't just about runninganymore.
It's about experiencingsomething really rare.

(03:37):
So when you shift your focusfrom this is hard to maybe this
is special or unique you reallyopen yourself up to noticing the
beauty around you.
The way the stars light up thesky, the sound of your feet
crunching on the trail, yourfeet hitting the pavement

(04:01):
Everything sounds different atnight, I find, and even the way
your breath feels and looks inthe cool night air.
During one race, a hundred milerace I really was not looking
forward to the nighttime section.
I thought it would be thehardest part of the race.
Once the stars came out and thetrail got illuminated by the

(04:24):
moon, I didn't even need myheadlamp, turned my headlamp off
, ran on the trail this was thecowboy trail up in Nebraska
actually Was able to run bymoonlight, didn't even need a
headlight.
I really felt that was supercool and I sort of felt like I
was part of something prettyamazing out there.
So instead of being focused onquite how tired I was at the

(04:45):
time this was, I think, thethird night I chose to focus on
the beauty around me, andactually it was freezing cold
when I was doing this, so I hadother things to think about too.
But from a night perspectivethe vastness of the sky, the
rhythm of my steps on the trailand just the simple fact that I
was out there doing somethingthat most people would not even

(05:09):
dream of trying I think thatmindset shift helped turn a very
cold, very tough stretch intopretty much a cherished memory.
I would say so shift yourperspective.
Strategy number two is probablyquite a familiar one, but break

(05:30):
the night into smaller chunks.
It's really easy to feeloverwhelmed during the nighttime
hours when you're thinkingabout how many miles or maybe
how many hours you have leftuntil sunrise.
Don't do that math.
The trick is, I think, to breakit into smaller, much more

(05:50):
manageable chunks that you cantackle one at a time.
Over and over.
This strategy is really abouttrying to play mind games with
yourself.
So, instead of focusing on thebig picture, make sure you focus
on those short, immediate,tangible goals and break the

(06:10):
night down into segments.
Maybe I just need to make it tothe next aid station, maybe I
just need to make it up the nextclimb or to the next turn in
the trail, if it's flat enough,maybe you can concentrate on
trying to run or jog for fiveminutes and then walk for five
minutes, and every time youcheck your watch you're

(06:32):
distracting yourself fromactually what's going on and
breaking things down to small,winnable segments.
Each one of those victoriesgives you a sense of progress
and a sense of accomplishmentand distracts you from the
bigger picture, right.
So if you're setting minirewards for yourself along the

(06:53):
way, that's really going to help.
Again, these can be simplethings a bite of your favorite
snack once I hit the tree upahead, or a swig of something
refreshing if you've got a Coke,or whatever it is.
I don't know, but the smallwins are what will keep your
mind focused and positive.

(07:16):
And I once ran a race where,overnight, I found myself
struggling to keep going.
This was the peak district 100,over in the UK, and it was
absolutely chucking it down withrain, just a miserable dark
night.
I started playing those gamesand just did okay, make it to

(07:44):
the next turn, make it to thenext hill, make it to the next
road section.
Small, manageable goals.
They gave me something reallyimmediate to focus on.
Each time I reach one of thosegoals.
I felt a little more motivatedto keep going forwards, to get
out of the rain, if nothing else, and by the time the light
started coming back up, Irealized I had actually strung
together dozens of tinyvictories that got me through

(08:07):
the night, when really I justwanted to sit down and sit in
the aid station and not continueon because it was absolutely
horrific weather.
All right, strategy three, Iwould say, for managing the
night use tools and tricks tokeep your spirits high.
So when motivation starts towane, having a few tricks up

(08:30):
your sleeve can make a bigdifference in your mindset.
Obviously, the night is whenfatigue is going to set in.
You get a lot of doubt comingin, a lot of discomfort about
being in the dark.
That can feel pretty intense,so it's important to have some
tools to help you stay positiveand engaged.
One of those is definitelychucking on some music or maybe

(08:53):
a podcast, like this one andmany of the other fantastic
ultra running podcasts out there.
Think about perhaps creating anighttime playlist, assuming
you're somewhere safe that youcan listen to a podcast while
you're moving along, but anighttime playlist can be filled
with like really upbeat orcalming songs, whichever way you

(09:14):
need to go.
In fact, I did a whole episodeon this season, one of the
Choose to Endure show.
I believe it was episode 19.
It's called Maximizing Music.
Feel free to go listen to thatone if you like.
We also have a Spotify Chooseto Endure playlist out there
that might help if you'relooking to energize your running

(09:34):
somewhat.
Alternatively, you can queue upan audiobook that might give
your mind something different tolatch on to, other than the
miles ahead.
Stories can quickly transportyou away from fatigue and make
the time pass much more quickly.
Treats to look forward to rightpack something special in your

(09:57):
nighttime gear favorite candy,favorite warm drink.
If you're able to carrysomething like that, even small
comforts can feel like a luxurywhen you're out on the trail at
night.
And then don't forget thatpositive self-talk as well.
When those negative thoughtscreep in, it's really crucial to
counter them with affirmationsor mantras.

(10:18):
Remind yourself while you'reout there how far you've already
come, and the night doesn'tlast forever.
If you can find and repeatphrases, things like I am strong
one step at a time, or whateveris personal to you, sunrise is
worth it.
Whatever it is, find one, stickto it, keep repeating it.

(10:40):
I once saved a small can of Cokefor the midnight section.
You know those mini cans ofCokes.
So I packed one of those in adrop bag, I picked it up at an
aid station and took it with me.
The aid station.
I knew I was going out on thenight section.
I knew it was coming and thatbecame my reward for reaching
the next checkpoint.
I knew it was coming and thatbecame my reward for reaching

(11:02):
the next checkpoint.
Simple treats like that feellike a lifeline and are
something to look forward to anda little burst of energy and
joy when I needed it most.
So it reminded me how powerfulsmall moments of comfort can be
when you're in the middle of thenight and the going is really,
really tough.
And the going is really reallytough.
And the last strategy I havefor you is all about maybe

(11:23):
leaning on the community,finding strength in connection
with people around you.
One of the best parts of ultrarunning can be that community
and the nighttime hours areoften when those connections
shine the brightest, whetherit's with your fellow runners,
volunteers at an aid station,maybe your pacer that you've

(11:46):
picked up, or even other peopleand other runners and their
crews.
Sometimes, too, just lean onothers for support.
That can give you a really bigmental boost If you're
struggling.
Don't hesitate to reach out toanother runner on the trail.
Sometimes just sharing a fewwords, telling each other

(12:10):
stories or even just moving insilence beside, behind or in
front of being around somebodyelse can remind you that you're
not alone and can really kind ofwake you up.
In some respects, thecamaraderie of ultra running is
super special.
That's really one of the thingsthat stands out about this

(12:30):
sport.
As you will know as a listenerand somebody with interest,
people genuinely want to helpeach other to succeed,
especially us here at the backof the pack.
Aid station volunteers areanother invaluable resource.
Their energy and encouragement,and even sometimes their humor,

(12:52):
can lift your spirits whenyou're feeling low.
Don't be afraid to linger for amoment, although not too long,
and soak in some of thatpositivity that they're going to
push your way.
I find aid station volunteerstypically have a ton of energy.
They're staffed by runners, forthe most part, or people really

(13:13):
familiar with races.
They know what you need.
When you roll into an aidstation at 2 am 3 am, they know
they want to keep things lively.
They want to keep things upbeat, there's probably music going,
they're going to be asking youquestions and keeping you sharp
with your mindset, so feel freeto interact with these guys.
During the night section of 100Kthat I once did, I was like

(13:36):
super struggling to stay awake,like many of you probably have
done.
I ended up teaming up withanother runner who was also
having a pretty tough time.
We were sharing stories,cracking jokes especially
English jokes, which seemed tobe really funny to many American
individuals, and we kept eachother going and by the time we
reached the next aid station,man, I have to tell you, I felt

(13:59):
completely different, almostreinvigorated by just the
conversation with anotherindividual.
Having somebody else around totalk to was tremendous.
Just be aware, though, noteverybody likes to talk during
the night, but if you can getthat, if you can find that
connection, that can turn whatcould be a miserable few hours

(14:20):
into one of your favoritememories from a race.
So, to wrap up, here again arethe key strategies from my
experience and you may have morefor staying motivated when the
night feels endless.
Number one was embrace thedarkness as part of the

(14:42):
adventure and make sure you lookfor and find the beauty in the
night experience.
Number two break the night intosmaller, manageable chunks so
that you can stay focused andcelebrate those small victories.
Number three look for, find andtest tools like music, treats

(15:09):
and positive self-talk to keepyour spirits high.
And then number four was whatwe just talked about Lean on the
ultra running community.
Connect with other runners andvolunteers for some shared
support.
There is no doubt that thenighttime hours can be tough,

(15:31):
but I think they're also wheresome of the most rewarding
moments of ultra running canhappen.
When you push through thedarkness, don't forget about the
sunrise on the other side.
That is going to feel so muchsweeter.
If these are strategies thatare resonating with you and

(15:54):
you're ready to tackle thedarkness in your journey, maybe
let's keep the conversationgoing.
Do you have a favoritenighttime strategy that we
haven't touched on here that youthink other people might know
about or benefit from?
If so, feel free to join theconversation, share in the
comments or post something onthe social media pages while

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(16:39):
know.
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and spreads the word to thosewho could benefit from what we
share here as Back of the Pack.
Runners.
You can find us on Instagramand Facebook at Choose to Endure

(17:02):
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I also have some really coolblogs out there.
I'd love to hear from you,whether it's to say hello,
suggest a topic or share yourstory.
You can also email me directlyat info at choose to endure dot
com.
Interacting with listeners,just like you, is one of my

(17:27):
favorite parts of doing the show, and so I would love to hear
your opinion, really anythingyou have to say, to hear your
opinion, really anything youhave to say.
Until next time, make sure yourun long, run strong, don't be
afraid of the dark and keepchoosing to endure.
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