ThatChickAngel Interview | How Faith and Laughter Shaped ThatChickAngel’s Journey - Choosing Joy

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I found out I was pregnant, I told the
store before I was in a which one is John's
is the one that's like lower end? It's John's and Vaughn's.
Which one is the grocery stores? So I was at
the Johns on spovid. You know, we got the whole
stroke right now. On went in to the Johns to
take a pregnancy test because the CBS next door the

(00:21):
bathroom didn't work. I went into the Johns, peed on
the stick, set it off to the side. Before I
could even go to wipe myself, it was like, you're pregnant,
and I was like, Hol's pissed.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
And shut up on my then left the piss and then.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Shut up to the stick. I was hot.

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Speaker 4 (01:12):
Hello, I am dever Joy Wineing's Williams, and thank you
so much for tuning in to choosing Joy today.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Okay, so today I'm really excited.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
I met see I'm already about to be some foolishness
and I know it. I met this woman. Ooh maybe
about what is it five? Maybe about three years ago?
Four years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Was it post pandemic?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I think it was post pandemic.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Okay, I met I met this woman and the m
the moment I met her, I loved her.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I was like, there's something so just real.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, when you meet somebody and you know what
you're getting is exactly who they are. P.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Twenty four to seven.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I was like, it's like, okay, so I love you.
And I hadn't spent any time with her, but I
knew I loved her.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I knew she was real.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
And as I've been able to spend more time and
as she has actually become a friend, I see not
only the talent that she has she's a multi hyphene,
but I see the rock star mom that she is.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I see the incredible wife that she is.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I see the amazing business woman, boss lady that she is.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
And I just believe in keeping good company.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I believe when God places good people around you, you
see their talents, their gifts, who they are, and you're
meant to nourish it in whatever way you can, and
it's reciprocal. And I'm just I'm happy to be in
her presence anytime I get to have that opportunity, and.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I'm grateful that she's here chatting with me today. So
please welcome.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Y'all know her as that chick Angel, I know her
as Angela Keita Moore, my friend Angel.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
See y'all, we already know. We in for some food.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
We don't have time, Yes we are, we are.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Cheers to you years. I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
You were ready, Yeah, let's drink.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
You're ready, I'm ready. We're always ready for a nice champagne.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
So, and I told you I wanted to write these
down because there was some things I really want to
get you because I think that you are I think
that you have a wealth of knowledge even when we
just sit and have random conversations, like I love your
content creation and I love to be able to just
sit and talk to you. And I feel like you
have experience that people can really really learn from see

(03:49):
themselves in and recognize that they're not alone.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, I can dig that. I don't know if I
would call it wisdom, but I think there's a there
is a level of.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Unabashed transparency that helps people see themselves and sometimes they
learn just because they're like, oh, I'm now getting a
kind of a not a bird's eye view, but a
reflective view of when I do that. That's exactly what's happening,
you know.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Yeah, people said that about this character Charity that I
portrayed on this show Green Leave.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Oh Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
They were like, she's doing the things that we think
in our head but know that we should never do,
but she's actually doing them.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, and they realized they shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Do that when you mean, when you left your husband
that was in the closet for the music producing. I
didn't know there was a lot of people thinking this
that I thought it was. I didn't know people out.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Here living this, this life they were holding on. They
were apparently holding on.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Okay, okay, So you are myriad things. As I've said
in the intro.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
You are.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
You're so any things to me, But I think you're
also so many things to people. The content that you
create is so consistently funny, thank you, and real and honest.
The stuff with you and Marcus, oh my gosh, and
then and what you do.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
With Kevin Kevin on stage.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I just you are consistent in what you present. There's
always something positive about it because you're doing something with
a smile.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Everything you're doing is with a smile. Whether it's foolishness,
whether it's meant to be, there's a smile.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Even when you speak on things that have hurt you,
there's somehow, some way you find a smile to give,
and so people can see themselves in that. My question
around the content creation, because you do it so well,
is this something that you were always planning to do?

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Is this a pivot? Because I know growing up in
Kentucky you was.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Singing and you look, look, oh, y'all was at the
what was the mall called?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
And we were at the fed mall singing, lift every
voice and sing making the white people go, wait a minute,
that is not the national anthem.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, y'all standing already, so put your hand on standing,
are already in it? Yeah? Yeah? Was it a content creation?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Was a bit of a pivot from when I first
got pregnant with my first son, because in that version
of Hollywood, I was like, they do not hire pregnant actresses,
and a little bit of that I spoke unto myself.
I realized I was just speaking death on my career.
So I was like, oh God, what am I going
to do. My good friend Brisha Webb was like, you

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should start putting it out, like do a mommy blog
about your pregnancy, because nobody was doing videos yet, like
YouTube started I think in two thousand and seven.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I was pregnant in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Nine, okay, So I was like, girl, I do not
want to be writing out my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So I was like, let me video.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So videoing my pregnancy journey and talking about it from
a very truthful lens was the pivot. But I realized
that people, like said she was like, nobody talks about
pregnancy the way you do, and so I'm thinking my
mom is just watching it. But people were watching and
like putting comments, laughing at some of the stuff I

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was saying, And I was like, I.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Don't know why they think it's funny.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Time.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Why is my face always greasy?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
What is happening?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
So that pivot was just me trying to be transparent
and I did not realize. I used to think everybody
was funny. They were just not choosing to use their funny.
I had a very hard time realizing that, no, this
was my gift. I was like, everybody has this No,

(07:54):
I really I was like, they're just choosing not to
use it, which is a shame because it's so much fun.
Once I realized, girl, no, this is.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Not this is your gift.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I try to make sure I use it because what's
beautiful about it is I have the ability God has
given me the gift to, even if it's only for
a moment, change someone's mental state and emotional state.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
And I'm like, as hard as life is to be
able to give levity to people, even if.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
It's only for five seconds of them trying to figure
out why I think my husband can pick me up
that I'm okay with that. I am okay with that.
So that is where the pivot came from. It was
how am I going to work? And then me realizing, oh,
this is actually a gift that I was like downplaying
as something that everybody was capable of doing.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
So then in that pivot, did you did you discover
that that's just the journey God had you?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
It gotta be because why am I here?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Because I really was like I did not.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I got my masters in Fine arts in acting.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay, so I was like, I am jeling.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I mean, I trust right, So I was like, then,
why am I on this thing called YouTube right now?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Like what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like I was doing television acting, but then I was
also doing this, And I remember telling my friends over
and over again when I would pull out my little camera,
I'd be like, I don't even know why I'm doing this,
but for some reason, God keeps telling me to do it,
so it's gonna do it. I have no idea why,
because I've been on again. Most people did not start
creating content back in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
A lot of people started during the pandemic. So I've
been on this.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Weird journey for a very long time, trying to keep
both worlds separate.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I was like, I'm that chick angel.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Over here, but Angelikida Moore is a serious actress, a
phenic actress, but a trained actress.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yes, And.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I think eventually I stopped fighting the fact that these
two worlds needed to come together.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
So I definitely think this is a journey I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Have chosen this journey had gotten not just plopped me
very hardly in the middle of this path.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I mean in heart. He definitely was like.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, it was yes, Because I kept trying to I
was like, but no, if I could just take this toe,
if you don't get back over here, you're.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Gonna keep paying the price that you ain't got to pay,
because you're gonna end up right back.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, you're gonna end up right back over here.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
So yeah, So okay, so you're you're journaling, not well,
you didn't really want to write it down, but you're
starting this video blog on your pregnancy.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Do you.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Did you think during that time the pregnancy was going
to shift and change your ability to have the dreams
that you wanted, which were on the screen doing the
things that you love to do.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And what's odd is that my actual dream was what
I was kind of all so scared of when I
was little. I was always like, I want to be
an actress in a stay at home mom.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
I was like, I don't know how these two are
supposed to happen, but I was like, I want to
do both because I knew I wanted to be a
mother and I knew I wanted to be heavily involved
in their life. But I also knew I was like,
I want to be like the career of being an
actress is something I had solidified when I was five
that had not like very much at all. So then

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moving out to LA and realizing it costs a million
dollars to live in a shack.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
I was like, Okay, well.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
We ain't got time because we're gonna watch the kids. Yeah,
because if we're paid a million dollars for a shack,
and then you got paid two million to have some people,
somebody's a boiler watch.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Your child because they're gonna charge you, what am I doing? Okay?
And then but I don't want their blada.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I want to watch.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I want to Yeah, so what how are we going
to do this? So it felt impossible. I was like,
it was so funny. When I found out I was pregnant.
I told the store before I was in a which
one is John's is the one that's like lower end,
It's Johns and Vaughan's. Which one is the grocery store?
So I was at the Johns on supovid. You know,

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we got the whole stroke right now. On went in
to the Johns to take a pregnancy test because the
CBS next door the bathroom didn't work. I went into
the Johns, being on the stick set it off to
the side before I could even go to wipe myself.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was like, you're pregnant, and I was like, hos
pissed and shut up over then left some piss and then.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Shut up to the stick.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I was hot.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
I was hot. I was like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Then when I told my husband, I just knew he
was going to move us back to Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I just knew he was gonna be like, what are
we doing? What do we do?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
You can't work, You're gonna be pregnant and with the baby.
And if we can't again, it costs a millionaires to
live in the shack.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
So he was like no, I mean, he too was devastated.
He was like, girl, no, we've grown. He was like,
he said, so what are we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Like, we are not seventeen, Okay, we're not making those
type of choices.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I am almost thirty.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I also know what we've been doing, right, we have
we all.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Here and we're married, we're having a child. Now how
we're going to keep the home and how we're gonna
take the care of the baby. Uh, we don't have
to figure ou Yeah, we're gonna figure that out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
So yeah, I ultimately I thought again, I spoke it
over myself. Unfortunately, I was like, well, I'm not gonna
be able to work. I'm just not gonna be able
to work. And I went through a season where, like
I went through, it was quite a few amount of
months where I wasn't I didn't get to work, and
I was like, what am I going to do?

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Well?

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Do you think that that is?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Of course, words are power, and we always have to
watch what we say. I also feel like it's we've
been products of what we have seen, and typically you
didn't see a pregnant woman with a job on TV
like us. Yeah it was fake. Yeah, if the lady
on TV was pregnant, it was fake.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Nobody had time to deal with everything that comes along
with a woman being pregnant. They got to make sure
the way they're taking care of you, it's just more.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
What I get what you're saying, But like yourself, I
have grown up in a household that had outrageous faith. Yea,
So it really didn't make sense for me to all
of a sudden start believing what is normal because my
life was just a Yeah, my life was a series
of Watch God Show Out. It was a series of that.

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So I don't know why. In that moment, I was
just like, God's not gonna do it. So this is
what's going to happen. And I do think for me,
my words have always been significant, powerful in my life.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Where things are spoken, things exist. Yeah, and so unfortunately
it works both ways. Unfortunately it's not just the good things.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
When I speak the good things, they happen, but when
I speak the bad it's like, okay, we're going ahead.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I think that's a really really important lesson. I think.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
I didn't my mind. I didn't say it, but my
mind was for sure there.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
When I got pregnant, I was just like, what am
I gonna do?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I can't tell nobody am I got to keep it
on the dish. I don't want people to like not
call me or not want to audition me.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
If they find out I'm pregnant, then that means I'm
out of the mix, and so I wanted to keep
it low key. Also, it was just a really rough,
fragile pregnancy. But I just I didn't want people to
know because in my mind, right, I'm like, this.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Is not gonna find out I'm pregnant. They ain't not
gonna hire me.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
So and I had people speaking into that fear so
that in hell like my yea. My commercial agent definitely
was like, oh, we can't tell them because you won't
get hired.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
But this is how I know.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
It was my words because I changed my words every
pregnancy thereafter, and the things I said kept happening. So
with the twins, I was like, it's fine, I won't
work in television, but I'll work a bunch online.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
And what happened worked a bunch online.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I built a good following after that, and then I
was like for my last one, I.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Was like, because I noticed, I said, look at that.
I said, well, why would I limit myself?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
And I said, when I got pregnant I last I said,
I'm going to work so much in both both arenas
online in television, it's not a problem. I worked up
until I was nine months on TV Wow. I was
like so shocked that these people they and we were upfront.
I was like, they were like Angels pregnant, she's doing July.

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They worked me until lej wow, and I said, I
was like, Angel, you got to really get into not
aowing yourself to limit what's possible, just based off of
like you said.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What we're used to seeing and what people want to
say to you.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But I'm like, that wasn't actually my desire because I
think sometimes while obviously I believe God understands nuance, but
it's like, why would I speak anything but my desires?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
So it took a long time for me to get
a hold of it. But I noticed when I said
I wasn't gonna work didn't work. When I said I
was gonna work on online, yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I said, you limited too much?

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yes, I was like, what's it still, You're about to
have four kids? Why would you be like, God, you
know I can just work a little bit? No work me?

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Yeah, work, I got, I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
I was, it's okay, listen. I was like, everything you can,
you got it? You can, you can work, so work working?
So you got you got four kids?

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I do you got more boys?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
And your husband is a mom. I love Marcus.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Oh that's so. I do you get a different side
of him than a lot of people. You said, I'll
take it.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
But what does support look like from him for you?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I think it changes as we get older.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Obviously, support the first bit of support he gave me
was he gave up his life in Kentucky to be
here with me because I was very clear I wasn't
coming back. I was like, listen, if we're gonna do this,
you're gonna have to come where I am. And he
never dreamed of leaving Kentucky. He's one of those people
that have been content at that time, that version of him, Yes, yes,

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was content with being a Kentucky boy through and through
being around his family, living in a property, living in
a house that had a lot of land around it.
And I was like, I am not going to be
doing the actors Theater of Lexington.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I'm just not. I'm not gonna be acting for little children. Yeah,
I'm not doing any and I was.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
We started dating long distance, so I was already out here,
so it was just like I'm not coming there. So
first about first like show of support was he left
his mama and he came on out here to be
with me. So I was just like, I don't I
will never.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Take that lightly. Then you know he's supported.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
I was definitely the breadwinner for a period of time
when I was working heavily on TV and then had
the kid, and it was just like okay, don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
He held it down.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
There was never a thing of like, girl, when are
you gonna get back on TV? Because we wrapped our
life around both of us working.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It was never that.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
And then I feel like now as we now work together,
one of the time I feel like support is him
understanding like the brand that I built for him to
like come into, and he respects that brand, like he's
not trying to tear down his kinds.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Up with you know, I gotta be me now.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
He hates, he hates doing the challenges that we do,
the Tansley strikes, and that authentically hates them. Support is
come on, I don't care it. Yeah, yeah, be mad,
pick me up, yes, be mad and try it.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Come on, do do it now.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
So his support has morphed, and even like with the children,
like I'm here with you because I know he got them.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, and it's a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
I got four and they got things.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
They do for boys.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Okay, I birth some boys up out of me and
he is over there taking care of them boys.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
So there's never they're not left to like one, I've been.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Able to tour because he was able to hold it down
in the same way he used to say, one of
the biggest compliments he ever gave me was marrying you
and seeing you as a person and as a mother.
I know if anything were to ever happen to me,
my kids are good.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I was like, thank you. And at that time, I
don't think.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I could have reciprocated that sentiment when he told me that.
Now I can one hundred percent sound the same. Now
I can one hundred percent because of how much how
involved he is with them now that if something were
to happen to me, their lives could still have the
type of fulfillment that I want them to have.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
So, because you talk about seasons, there are we go
through a lot of different.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
Seasons, and some people are meant to be there through
it all and some are not. And I think the
Lord will show you and when.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
It's time for somebody to drop off, come on. But
in those.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Seasons, would you say or could you pinpoint what has
been your best season as a married couple versus your
best season as parents.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
To these boys?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
We're in both right now.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Okay, Okay, we're in a good good season.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think our maturity was preachers like to say maturation.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, as a couple, as individuals have really like lent
itself to us being married. We've become better communicators, We've
become way more empathetic, better listeners. While we still sometimes
like bump heads, not fight, but bump heads in our thoughts,
We're still able to take a pause and try to

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listen to the other person, which was not one of
our skill sets before.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
And then with when did that come into play?

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Like, what was the hardest point of your communication before
it got on the good foot?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Has so luckily, I am not impulsive, so I don't
I'm not a last sure outer and typically I can
process my thoughts before expressing them, so that.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Off top made him more receptive.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Like, so the twins was probably where I had to
learn real quickly how to process and then speak exactly
what it was the fact that he did not get
defensive and some of the things that I was pointing out, Yeah,
when I was like I wasn't getting the amount of
support that I needed as a mother of I'm like,
I got three kids, okay.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
And two of them are babies.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, and you just able to bounce to hang out
with friends whenever you're not like, do you have anything
on your schedule? You're like, Hey, such and such coming
in town, so I'm gonna meet up with him, blah
blah blah.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I was like, I want you to know I
don't I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Yeah, completely switched it up right after, like and he
will say, it's because you didn't put no extra on it.
You just really explained it, he said. And I honestly
he honestly didn't know.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, like he was like he should have known, but
he was completely just Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
It wasn't. It wasn't like I'm going out and you
can't do nothing. It wasn't. It was just like going out.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, and for him.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Realizing the changes that needed to happen, or the checking
in or the considerations.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Because I was just like, I know he lied because
he was like, I've worked.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
He was the one working nine to five and he's
seeing me at home. He's like, this is my time
to be able to go out, and I'm like, and
I want you to have that, but understand that that
it's not reciprocal.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
So I think once I.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Had the twins, my brain went into Okay, how can
you get what you want?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
How can you speak clearly? So it made it easier
for him to digest what I was saying, and then.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
When I got into therapy, it made both of us
have more vocabulary, yes, to express more of because he's
the type like, if he's having a big feeling, he's
not gonna talk to me at all about it until
too far down.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
By the time you.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Didn't talk to me about it, I don't care, Yeah,
because I asked you and you didn't tell me.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Oh, so now it is?

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It is? It is?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Oh, you want to take too much time. I'm over
whatever you are still on. I'm so sorry, m.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
But do you do you? Did he adjust or did
you have to adjust?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
In that space both he adjusted what he was saying
in the beginning instead of saying nothing.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yes, okay, okay, it was a thing.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Of yes, I do feel something, but I am not
ready to talk about versus nothing, nothing, versus gaslighting me
to thinking, I know I'm saying something.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
What is it? Nothing? Nothing? Okay, Well it's gonna be
nothing later too.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
When you've decided to bring when oh, no, that's nothing,
because that's what you labeled it as. So I don't care.
So it became a thing of it is something. I
just don't have the capacity to tell you.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
That something right now.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, and then I had to figure out a way
to show patients because I still wanted it at the time,
but it was just like, I'm gonna have to respect
the time you need, don't want to better do So
that's why we're in our best season.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Is that the end. We also don't have a lot
of those moments.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
We have a lot of good Oh gosh, it's a
good time.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's a good time. It is it is a good time.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
And then the kids, I think, because they're thriving and
there we have them in a safe school at least
it feels safe to us, and they it feels like
they're coming into their own as parents, it's like easier
for us to support that.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's just like, oh, you want to do this, this
is great, let's do it.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, okay, So I'm these are really honestly gems for me.
I think.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
I'm learning the beauty of therapy. I think growing up
a lot of times it was oh, well you do
to have something wrong to It's not about something being wrong,
It's about understanding how to communicate best, not just.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
For the other person, but for you. What is it
your feeling?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
A lot of times you don't know how to accurately
describe what it is your feeling and what you're going through. Yeah,
and I wish that was a tool that we understood
and had real access to back in the day.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Oh yeah, you know, you know what I think?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I was talking to somebody who was trying to I
guess and a little bit but like kind of bad
talk how our parents didn't go to therapy like that generation.
And I have to say, I was like, but who
was going to be their therapist? And what I mean
by that is the type of trauma that a lot

(28:02):
of our parents had to go through and their parents.
I was like, who was going to help them synthesize
that type of trauma? I was like, let's be real,
I said, While, yes, I wish that they had better
ways to deal with their emotions and that there wasn't this,
I think a lot of fear might have been whooped

(28:23):
into us just out of you know, survival. I was like,
but tell me who was going to be able to
take the type of things they were dealing with and
help them process and rationalize. I was like, there's certain
levels of trauma that what can you say? Yeah, Who're

(28:46):
gonna talk to you about it, because if most of
the therapists are white people, a lot of the traumas
at the hands of people that look like you, and
I'm supposed to trust you in this moment to help.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Me figure out what I'm going through. I was like
for us when maybe your granddaddy did it, That's.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
So I'm like, so for our generation, it's a privilege
that we one have so many therapists that look like us.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Yeah, so many.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Therapists that can not only come from a professional level
of being able to talk to us, but can actually
empathize have actually had to go through the processing work
where I was like, I don't know who could have
talked to my mother about some of.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
The stuff that she went through.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
It's ael and her being able to be like, you're
giving me good advice, you baby child.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yes, what still got milk on your brother?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Exactly? Thank you so much for trying.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But no, girl, So I do get what you're saying
of like wishing we grew up with those words, but
I also understand why a lot of that language was
not available to us.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
No, I agree, that's a that's a really beautiful point.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
So basically, stop.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Blaming the eldest for something that they didn't have and
that was not available onto them, because what nothing gonna work,
Get that out.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Right a lot of times. But your your faith the
thing that you have to lean on.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yes, and you you've said that you just grew up
with outrageous faith.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
Was there ever a point in time where your faith
didn't feel like it was going to see you through?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I know God sometimes be looking at me like, oh,
you little stupid girl, because.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
You just be dumb out here.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
But I have to say that, like, I feel like
the only reason why I'm still out here, still doing
what I do and not doing it from a jaded place,
is because of my faith.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
And that I would say, well, my mother probably.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Will not leave us any inheritance when whenever the Lord
calls her on home, which hopefully will be no time soon.
The biggest inheritance she's ever given us is this amazing
faith that makes absolutely no sense when I look at
the trajectory of my mother's life.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
It does not.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Make sense to be a woman who was a sheriff
cropper's granddaughter, who did not get to go to school
past a certain age because she had to work the farm,
and legally they only had to go to school to
like I think like third or something not that far right,
working knowing picking cotton ten cent a pound, that's what
she did.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Living in a house.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It was like thirteen of them in this like two
room house, not two bedroom two room house, like a
log cabin house. So you can see the outside from
the inside. And you're not talking about through windows, through
the slats of what to her becoming this woman who
runs her own computer programming business, like she's one of

(32:04):
the one of the pioneers in like computer programming, like
back in the like for real hidden figure. I'm like,
how do these two worlds ever make it to each
other without there being some sort of faith that there's
something else that God wants for me? So it's hard
for me to even disrespect that and these things are facts,

(32:27):
to disrespect these facts to be like, well, it doesn't
look like it, you know, how is this going to
work out? I don't understand. My faith is always somewhere
in there, even if it's not as big as I
want it to be. It's never like fully disappeared efter
And I'm grateful because I really I know, anxiety can

(32:48):
try to get.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
The best of me and sometimes like I'm.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Just like oh, especially when it comes to money, I'll
be like, oh, Lord, where's it coming from? But he's
a great mathematician, baby, he be making that money show up.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
And I'll be like out of nowhere, be like I
got what a who from?

Speaker 3 (33:04):
What? Yeah? Okay?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Okay, Lord, Yeah, I'm I'm here for it. So no,
it hasn't been really, but he's luckily. Uh, I don't
know if it's fortunate or unfortunate. We have been so
many in so many different areas of my life growing
up with my sisters and my mom, We've been in
so many places where God has to be like, come
on and put us, take us from like a depth,

(33:28):
like a deep place, and put us in a high,
high place that I can't really question it anymore. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like it would it literally
would be foolish. So when my anxiety does pop up,
I know God it'd be like you.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
So, So when it pops up, is there a is
there a not a routine? But is there something that
you do? You just sit there and think about what
God has already done for you and does that call.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Where your mind is trying.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
To go well.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
One thing that more recently I developed, and this actually
came from my therapist, right, she was like she had
to help me pinpoint because it wasn't matching up. I'm like,
if I'm this woman with faith, why am I having
these anxious moments around the same thing.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
It's always money, It's never anything else. If money ain't
looking the way I needed to look like h And she's.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Like, a lot of that is from you not having
enough facts around the situation.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Your body needs more data, so feeding more data.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
So sometimes it's feeding the data of okay, so if
the worst thing happens, what okay? Giving my brain the
data because sometimes then it's like the worst thing is
not actually this terrible thing, okay, and what's.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
The best thing that can happen?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Feeding my brain all the data then makes it makes
all that anxiousness just go away. Very much so the unknown,
because sometimes I'm having anxiety over something that has not happened.
It's what I think, it's like the unknowing of what
could happen. And she's like, feeded all of the data,
feeded all of it. And typically once I have all

(35:13):
of it, I'm like, okay, so if this is the worst,
all right, it's not dope, it's not the best.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
But it's not.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yes, it's good.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, So that that has been the thing. But otherwise
I would just be also just in church crying, which
is fine too, which is fine too, But I'm able
to go to a place of gratitude a lot faster now,
give myself the data, and then I go into praise
of like, thank you for whatever this is about to be.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah, you're showing me it's gonna be fine. I just
picked up all the data.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
It's gonna be fine, regardless. It might not be cute,
but it's gonna be fine.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
And you ain't going nowhere. You've never loved me. It's
I think for me sometimes it's and it's mostly always
been that.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
What you mean, God's got it? Like, what are you
talking about? I didn't have an agent when Green Leave happened.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
I didn't have and people were looking at me like,
because God does what he does, and it's not about
anybody else. God is going to use whoever he uses
to do whatever he.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Wants to do.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
And so I think I've always my faith has always
been like that. It doesn't have to happen the way
y'all think it should happen, or the way it typically happens.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
I'm not typical. I'm not average, and I don't serve
an average God. So that's that's where I typically stay.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
I think the one time I really struggled, I didn't
lose faith, but I struggled to see the other side
of it when I got pregnant and the doctor's immediate response.
And this was like two or three days before I
had to fly to Canada without.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Tea to film a Christmas movie.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
So I'm going there by myself and the doctor after
I've taken four tests.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
So yeah, the first thing that.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
The doctor said was, you're for sure pregnant, like six weeks.
You also have a twenty two centimeter fibroid, and I
don't see any space for a baby to grow, So
we might need to get rid of this pregnancy and
then get rid of the fibroid.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
And then y'all start over.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
And then she called her high risk doctor and that
doctor said, oh, she's thirty seven, she's gonna be thirty eight,
and we just keep it and we just watch her.
And so Ta's biggest thing was, is there any sort
of thing that can happen to her if you keep
it and she was like, no, she'll just be in pain,

(37:57):
and I was like, I can take pain.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Whatever you said, this is a different type of pain than.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
I experienced ever in my life.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I was by myself, struggling to I would cry, just
having to get up out of the bed.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
It was I don't, I don't.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
I still don't understand how this pain was able to literally.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Take hold of my body.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
That was the first time I had to leave set
and go to the er because I just couldn't move.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
It was.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
It was horrendous, and I didn't want to say a
lot to Tea because at this point, you can't come here, there's.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Nothing you can do, So I'm just gonna worry you
from from here.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, so you can be sitting at home trying to
figure what you can do for your pregnant wife and you.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Can't do nothing. So I just literally felt like I
was alone.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
And usually in anything that I've gone through, I've always
been able to see the other side of it. I've
always been able to be liked, It's gonna work this out, Yeah,
I can. I can see myself on the other side
and I'm okay. I could not see myself on the
other side. I did not expect to come home with
a baby. I just was in a very bad place mentally, physically, emotionally,

(39:08):
and that was my first time, and I was like,
am I losing faith? And I don't think I was
losing faith, but I just did not have the words to.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Articulate what I needed or how I felt.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
And so then I said, well, I don't know much
about fibroids.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I feel like I haven't heard a lot about.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
It, and apparently it's something that can really be major
in my community.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
So what can I do?

Speaker 4 (39:35):
And it was a shift in perspective in the way
of I'm going to talk about it and see if
I can help somebody else understand. Maybe think about this
when you're going to see your doctor, get this checked,
because if it's something you can find before pregnancy, you
can get it removed and you.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Can be okay, you won't be in pain. There's so
many things.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
That changed when my fibroids were gone. Was my thing,
just shifting the perspective and finding something I could do,
even though I could not see myself on the other
side of it, which was scary. Is your way of
shifting the perspective or the narrative.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
To just.

Speaker 4 (40:20):
I don't know, like maybe and I'm not putting anything
on you. I don't know that my faith was weak,
but I just could not see. So how when you
can't fully see the other side, when you don't know
where the money's coming from, where you don't know where
the next job is, when you don't know something happened

(40:42):
to your kid or something's going on with your spouse.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
What is.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
What is your shift in perspective? What is the way
that you find joy in the midst of it?

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Or do you not?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I think it's similar to what you said. I think
when I can't see, I serve.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Like I feel like I'm in that season right now
where you're just like, what is going on?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I am putting in so many volunteer hours in.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
This season of my life and not just like all
big community like events and serving it that way. I
in this season of like, okay, guy, what's the next thing?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Because hello?

Speaker 1 (41:27):
It was I was sitting in church and I was like,
I have a friend who has been wanting to post content,
and she, due to her own mental blocks, is struggling.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I mean struggling with it, and we've had many conversations.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
So I left church because it was put on my
heart and I called her and I said, tell me
what you need help with logistically, because i'm you know,
I post content for a long time.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
What do you need help with logistically? She was like,
I'm talking talk me through it.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
I said, send me the video you shot that you
have never that you haven't posted posted it. I said,
I'm gonna send it back to you for you to
post on it for you. And I said, I'm going
to send you a caption and just posted.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
She was like, are you serious. I was like yes,
she said. I was just saying to God, help me
with the logistics. And she's like, how are you showing
up asking logistically? How can I help you?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
And I was like, God put it on my heart
to find a way to help you do this. It
wasn't Angel, here's another job. There's where the money's going
to go. When I'm like, where's the money, he was like,
why don't you call your girlfriend and help her do this?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
So while he didn't.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Give me the answer of what's on the other side
of whatever valley hill wherever I'm at right now, because
I'm not. It's not that I'm in a like this's
a bad place, but I you know, in our career,
it's just like when people are like, so what's next,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I have no idea the other thing's done.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
If I had something to tell you, I would I would.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Leave with guess what just happened? Yeah? No, But I
don't have that.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
So I do believe that is a part of it,
is that we should be serving when we are at
that place of uncertainty, because I do think it helps
shift the perspective. I do think it helps us see
that we are valuable even when we can't see the
thing that we want, you know, and even like you said,

(43:17):
even with you dealing with the fibroids, it's just like,
not only does it allow you to be a vessel
of like knowledge to other people, you're also feeding yourself
the same type of knowledge that you possibly.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Need to get the data.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yes, the data helps so much because some people only
want to give you the negative data, and so that
just feeds the part of you that's just like, this
is not going to work. It where it's just like
there's other God always shows himself also in the like
he's like, I be in here too. Yeah, so if
you just keep looking, you'll find me in there. So

(43:56):
I do believe serving is like one of the best
ways incredible.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
When I when I can't see, I serve. That's that's
if we don't walk away with anything else. I think
because a lot of times we forget or or people
forget that ministry means people, yes, and so people don't

(44:20):
care how much you know until they know how much
you care. So if we are not making sure people
understand that we care and that we see them and
we're serving them, we're ultimately not fulfilling.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
What it is God has called us to do.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
So when I can't see, yes, that's really I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
You don't swear I will credit you.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Thanks, Okay, So I know, I know I have to
wrap up, but I I you run so many things.
And you run a home, you run a business, you
have built a business, you have a career in film
and television. Your content creation is top tier.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
And you are a wife and you are a mother
of four children. Yes, ma'am, it takes a lot to
run that house.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
What are the biggest things that you need communication wise,
to make sure that house runs with your husband and
with your children.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Just everybody get on board. Everybody do what everybody do
what they say they're gonna do. Like, this is what's crazy,
this is what I asked for.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
That's at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I said I want to be a stay at home
mom mom, And actually I am in what I asked for.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yes, And guess it's like, all right, you said you
wanted it. Here we go. So I think from my
kids and my husband.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
One of my kids, I always remind them like, do
you see the life we've built around? And I asked
my team age sons specifically, are you happy?

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Are you happy with your life? Okay? If you are,
then I'm gonna need you to do the things that
tell you to do, to be ready when I tell
you to be ready, because we are doing a lot
to make all of this happen. And I think they are.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I think they're aware, Like they they know how the
sausage is made. They don't think Mommy is magically pulling
this together. They see it all. They're like, oh, okay,
mommy's got to fly to do this one job. Oh
it's time we have to do a family brand deal. Yes,
so get ready and smile, act like you got some sense.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So I think not.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
You know a lot of times I feel like the
image of the good wife and the good mother is
to make it look easy, right, like it's just caroleous effortless.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
All the kids are doing what they're supposed to. The stove.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
No, my kids know if mama's sitting down, So you can't.
We're gonna order food.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Because you know Mammy, she ain't get nothing. She's not
going to the kitchen. So that's right, that's right, Let's
figure out what's on the Super East right now. They're
not like my Cokay, then my husband's not that way either.
He's like, oh, you look tired, so you want me
to order from Love?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
It would love that.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Also, let's be clear, you do whip up, and I
do mean whip whip up a mean sweet potato pie.
And that's just besides the point because.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
You whipped it like it was Carol.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Does that how I'm just doing all these laundry is done.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Houses clean.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
We are in a clean When my house looked right,
as one of my girlfriends said, she said, I'm raising kids,
not a house.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I said, you don't freed me today. I said, I
am raising kids. My kids are clean, My kids are
good human beings.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
This house might look like we fight cocks in here,
chickens and pick bulls, but these children amazing. So yeah,
I think everybody being aware of how much work it
takes to get the life that we have.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
All enjoy this life. Yeah, and everybody's on board for
what it takes. Yeah, nobody is like. Everybody's like okay, yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Want this free trip to Disney, you want to be
on this group, Come on and get these ways together
and let's smile take its photo.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So I think that's been the biggest thing communications wise,
is me not trying to be the black woman with
the cape and you not know that Lois Lane is
superwoman baby.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, yes, you're seeing all of it together. Yes, thank you.
So that's been the biggest thing I think.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
So what are their ages? Your sons?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I have a sixteen year old, ten year old twins
and a six year old.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Oh baby, Okay, so you are you are out of
that toddler?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yes, thank god?

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Bring home the nastiest germs from underneath. No, no, no,
these elementary school kids is nasty.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
They're still nasty.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah. Yeah, they're all best friends.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
They're all laughing at jokes they saw online in each
other's faces.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I sent my sick child to school today. He's gonna
give it to somebody else to get it mom. So
I was like, go to school, let him out the car.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Love.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
You think I got it from somebody here, so.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
So give it back.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Yeah, pass the gift. That seems to keep on.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
I'm cracking up because it gets to a.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Point where you're like, oh, y'all just gonna be out
of school every other week.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
You can't do it. I can't, we can't do it.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Take a little snotty nose back up in that class.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Okay, so then so then so my question now is
what health and wellness wise, what have you been able
to instill in them as like a practice, Because when
they're little, little it's just like, oh yeah, then that
joke is sick like it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
But now I.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Think you are at a space where they understand and
can prep and can take this or do that. What's
the routine or what are the things that you've taught
them to mostly maintain good health and wellness?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Hydration?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I think people underestimate how much water help? So I'm like,
I need you to be guzzling water as soon as
they feel like a little itch or anything.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I'm like, how much more water have you drunk today?
I want you drink some more.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I think it's just a great natural filter. We are
also very much so good homeopathic people, So we'll take
some elderberry gummies in a second. We try to do
immune supporting supplements before we have to pull out the
big dogs. Ye'll be like, all right, what can you

(50:41):
take now to dry this up? But I do think
when they're able to take like the elderberry or any
other thing that has like vitamin C in it, yeah,
it is helpful.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
But water is our.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Like, that's the lifeline.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
That's the lifeline.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
It usually can knock something out a lot faster than
what people like acknowledge. And that's even my my like,
because you know, in our career, once we.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Get sick, yeah, like noticeably sick, we can't work.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, And they don't be like rearranging days like no,
and so they're like, how sick are you?

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
There, so you pull it together?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
What do I can't? We can order something from the pharmacy.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
For you, absolutely, and you're.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Like, yeah, I can't breathe. We can have a breathing treat.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Exactly do you need ivy because we can make that happen.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Maybe I should just lay down. No, I can't lay.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
They're like, no, get it on that.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Yeah, No, that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Yeah, okay, So I just have a lot more years
to look forward to.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Just yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, no hydration. Drink the water. Drink that water. I
mean you should be paying every every good thirty minutes.
That's how much water. I'll be like, get it in
your body right now.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, I got it. Okay.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
So you're first of all, just kudos to you, because
for boys in this world, for black boys, that takes
a lot, and you want to raise them in a
way where they're not scared to be who they are.

(52:17):
They're not scared to be in this world. But they're
also understanding of how this world sees them.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
But you also can't live in that space.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
I can't live like y'all hate me, because then I'm
gonna start feeling that way about myself.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
I got to know who I am before I leave
my house.

Speaker 4 (52:35):
But also understand how y'all see me and move not accordingly,
but with wisdom. Kudos to you and Marcus, because that
is really I can only imagine.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I look at my.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
One so little, and I'm just like, okay, I just
keep I can wrap them up and protect them and
get cozies.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I was like, let's get cozy min.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
I know that ain't gonna last long, but while we're
doing it, I'm just like, Okay, I'm good. I'm not
at that phase yet. But to see the way they
walk around. You have young men that walk around with confidence,
that that have joy. That's major in the world we

(53:21):
live in. Angel that is that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
This world is crazy.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
It is crazy, absolutely insane. So I just I salute
you and Marcus in that way. I want to ask you.
If your kids are just sitting and talking to people
and they're asked, what is the one thing you see

(53:48):
about your mommy that you love?

Speaker 3 (53:51):
What would you want them to.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Say, ooh, that you love one thing about your mommy
that you I think, even though I be gone, I
think they think I'm always there and that I love.
That's the reason why I wanted to be a stay
at home Linde. I wanted my kids to feel like
I remember growing up and people's mamas coming and volunteering

(54:16):
at the school, and I was like, that is so fun.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
You just seeing your mom in the middle of the day.
How is that possible?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
And I think for them me popping up on their campus,
they're just it's normal today, And I want that. I
want them to feel like she's not that far even
if she is, Like, even if she did have to
fly away, I'm the type of person if I have
to go work somewhere for a day, I will still
get back here to California within twenty four hours. If
y'all don't need me for more than that, I'm not

(54:44):
about to be out here with y'all kicking it.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
I'm going back to my kids.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
So I would hope that even though I have had
to travel a lot for work, that they feel like, oh,
she was always there, like she was that all the
things she was always.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Popping up, We saw her face.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
And I hope that gives them a feeling of safety too,
like of it, don't listen, It don't matter how none
of these people try to act. You know, your mama
right here and daddy ain't too much too many steps
behind me.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, So to play if you won't.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Pay, if you will if you want to, you wanna
play stupid games. You're about to win the stupidest prize
of them all.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You're gonna win them all, all of them. We're gonna
give them all.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
You're gonna be able to cash out all the little
tickets you got, all the little tickets you got, You're
about to cash them out today. So yeah, I hope
that my children don't think I was absent. I hope
they really say she was always around, always.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
I hope So I'm not. Oh well, they can talk
about it in therapy. You get the right language, get
the right language around it. I tried, listen, I tried, baby,
what is.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
What is your greatest joy at this time?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
It is? I think? Okay, okay, I think I know
this answer.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
So my mission, like for my business and my business
being the business of Angel, is to bring joy to
other people.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
That's literally what I've written down.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
That is a part and the fact that I feel
like I am now a professional at that, Like I
know I can, as I call it, I can rip
a laugh out of someone's throat, like you might not
have been ready to laugh, but I'm about to get
it and you don't even know it. Like that brings
me so much joy that I can deliver joy even

(56:38):
faster than Amazon. Like you know what I'm saying, Like
baby Emmason got it, ain't got more on me? It does,
it brings it brings me so much joy that people
are like, I am screaming in my workplace, like you
have to get me. I am crying, but tears of joy.
That is just I it It doesn't. That lets me

(57:01):
know it's so much connected to my purpose because even
without the fact that I can monetize it, thank God,
but even without that, it just gives me such a
The returnal interest.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Is so fast. Yeah, it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Almost like it's a hamster wheel of like I gave yousul.
You just gave your joy back by letting me know
I gave you. It's just and then it feeds me
and the next thing that I give. So I feel
like right now that probably gives me the most amount
of joy is that I feel like I'm really walking
in my purpose now stronger than what I've ever had before.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
That's absolutely incredible. You are, I can for sure tell
you you are. You are not just in the purpose
you are.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
You done took over the lane? You got a.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
You are taking over the lane it is. It was
such a pleasure to meet you when I did, but
then to be able to sit multiple times and just
have a real conversation, real sisterhood, real faith exchange, real

(58:18):
understanding of the situation. Does not control who you are
and who God is. That's been a blessing to my life.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
And I glad you. Aggressively was like, we need to
hang out. I was like, we do yeah this.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
You know, as you get older, you realize you you
don't get time back. We're going to spend it with somebody.
I want to spend it with somebody I like. And
when I find people I really like, I'm just gonna
really like. You appreciate And so you were forced into
this relationship.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Fine to hang out. I was like, it's fine, Okay, you.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Know it's about it worked out.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
By listen, It's going to work out. And I will tell.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
You my husband told me so.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Singing has never really been like, uh, the space where
I feel most confident. I've spent so much time doing
my acting. I've got my BFA, I've got my MFA.
I spent time in moschool at the Moscow Art Theater School, Like,
I give me a script, I don't care what room
I'm in. I am confident that I can work something out.

(59:35):
Give you a read that's going to be like, oh oh,
I'm very confident in that, and I believe that God
has given me a gift to do that. The singing
is nothing that I've ever really spent time with.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
So you just you just sound like that without the time.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
This is great, so great to hear these things. Go ahead, joy.
This is how I sound with no effort.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
It's not about like if it's just the confident I
don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
My confidence is not where I would like it to
be or should be forcing, which is why you know,
at the end of the day, I tell people work
every gift God has given you, because it's not ultimately
for you. It's for the world to share it, and
it's for the purpose that God has for you. And
so I remember having to go sing somewhere at this
small event.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Where was I somewhere in the south and the closer
to God. I just kept getting really nervous. I don't
want to do this. I don't want to do this.
I just like, what if I sound bad. What if
I hit these wrong notes? What if I do it?
And he was like, so, what is your purpose?

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
And I said, well to like, honestly, I think I
have a gift of just like bringing joy and showing
like the love of God.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I think it's something that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Feels very tangible when I am doing what I'm supposed
to be doing. I think it's a very tangible thing
just to feel the presence and love of God. I
want people to feel that. I feel like that's part
of what my purpose is. And he's like, Okay, so
if you go there and you are bringing the love
of God and you are bringing this innate joy and

(01:01:12):
you are allowing people to feel that and see that
and touch that, then you're in your purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
I said, well, yeah, but like what if he's I.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
Don't care about a note. Are you in your purpose?
If you're in your purpose, nothing else matters. God is
doing all the other work. You are in your purpose? Yeah,
big time, And it's amazing to watch, it's amazing to see,
and whatever you don't see, trust that God is doing
all the big work.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
You in there.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
And I'm so grateful that I get to call you fan,
and I'm grae. If I get to see your work
and I get to sit on the sidelines and see
you continue to soar as you should.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I'm sorry. I know you closed him, but I got
to go back a little bit. You're not confident with
the voice. I'm confident with the voice I have, and
it is not even half your voice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
If God gave me your voice, he wouldn't get the
glory ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Voice that is me light up Like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I was so trying to listen to you, but I
was like, wait a minute, well you know what I
learned something today. I learned something today about you blows
my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Y'all wouldn't be able to get me to shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Really, And the thing is, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Can't see I am confident with but the voice that
you have. Girl, think they would be like this would
choosing joy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
That would be They would be like this this is
a talking podcast. Stop singing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I'm working.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Here's the thing. I'm working my way.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
I'm working my way.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
I think I was convicted in the fact that I
do know it's a gift that God has given me.
But because I didn't work on it, I didn't have
the confidence to use it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
That is crazy that you didn't work on it and
it sound that way. That's what I'm saying. That's the
part that you missing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
They people out here working and sound mediocre as hell.
I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Real man names, no seasoning on white bread, and you're like,
and I didn't work on it. But yeah, the glory
of God is going to come down here with his
voice that I didn't work fun at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
This is so crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
Oh, what is wrong with you? Girl?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
God knew to give me certain portions because he said,
you will be out of control. This is the portion
of your gifts because if I give you too much,
what you're gonna be out here doing? You are?

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
You're working in an overflow. So I don't even know
what you're talking about. You working at an overflow. I
don't know what portion you think you got, but it's
a magnanimous portray.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Might be overthrown because overflow. Because he gave me a
simple and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
He said, okay, but you got one of these.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
And it's okay. He said, here's this little bitty little thing,
this little monopoly piece. You poor your little portion of
telling down there? Girl?

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
I'm glad. I'm glad that I know you, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Glad that I know this, because, Baby, anytime I get
to see you sing the way, I'm about to gash
you up. I don't know if youre gonna be able
to get through all the way I'm about to gas
you up. They gonna be like, sorry, I'm making the mics.
My apologies, but yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Well you know now, you know it's one of my
you know, moments.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Of honesty vulnerability. I love that, and I'm just being
honest with you. If you ever have to sing live
in front of me, get ready for me to act
a whole fool.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I have to do that, just to see what that
looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Oh uh, and you'll be like, oh, that's what you said, fool,
And I just didn't know that you meant that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Literally literally, you know what we're gonna see. We gonna
see Angel Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
We're gonna get Let's schedule TV.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
We need to schedule a live conc of Joy coming
up in December. Let's do a let's do a winter holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
Oh winter holiday songs for Jesus, something songs for Jesus.
I am hollering, Oh my god, songs for Jesus.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I just I love you. I appreciate you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
I really do say you and Marcus are really incredible people,
and I'm grateful that we get.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
To know y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Same about you, and thank you for.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Choosing Joy today. Thank yeah, Oh my god, I love her.
I love her. I love her, I love her. Hello, everybody,
it's Stepa Joy Wineman's Williams.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Thank you so much for tuning in to choosing Joy today.
We got a glimpse into the fabulous woman that is
Angel Loikita Moore, also known as that chick Angel.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
She's incredible to me. I think I learned something from
her every time I'm with her.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Whether it's intentional or not, which is that's the kind
of friend you want to be around. But today I
think I'm walking away with when I can't see, I
serve a lot of times you will not always be
able to see the other side of whatever situation you're in.
So when you can't see it, find something to do
with yourself, serve somebody else, and allow God to show

(01:06:26):
you what it is you need to see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
You can see it by serving.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
So that is a gem that I am going to
follow the rest of my life because I think we
are here for people, We're here for you, We're here
for each other.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
So subscribe, hit the hit the like button, hit

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
The like button, subscribe, share it, choose joy and choose
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