A Man Like That

​What kind of man do you want to be? What kind of man do you want your sons to become? We're going to tackle that question with an example from the sports world. A documentary showed the reaction of a player to bad news about his career. His response caused his wife to weep and say, "That's the kind of man he is." What qualities in a man do you want to emulate? Talk about it on Chris Fabry Live.

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Episode Transcript

S1 (00:05):
Welcome to our Monday edition of Chris Fabry Live program,
from the heart to the heart for the heart. Today,
I need your help. I want you to look through
the experiences of your life to come up with some
encouragement for men. You don't have to be a man
to answer the question today. In fact, the conversation was
ignited by a man's wife and her observation about the

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kind of man he is. Here's my question. What kind
of man? If you are one, what kind of man
do you want to be? Or what kind of man
do you want your sons to be? Tell me about
a man you know who exhibits a quality or a
trait that you want to emulate, or you want a
man in your life to emulate. Respond to that question.

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I want to see what kind of encouragement we can
receive today. I like this topic because it's not being
critical of any man. It's showing what a good man is,
how he acts, how he lives. Here's the number [phone].
Call early. Call often. Remember, the response you share might

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be just the thing somebody else needs to hear today. [phone].
Our team behind the scenes Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical.
Tricia's our producer. Lisa is with us today. Rihanna will
be answering your calls at that number. The unexamined life
is not worth living. Socrates said that didn't know him,

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but they say that he said it says on the internet.
He said that, and I think he was right. And
in Scripture you read the same thing. Paul writes in
Second Corinthians. Examine yourselves. The psalmist, search me and know me.
So today I want you to help me look at
men's lives. Tomorrow we're going to focus on women. But

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I want you to think about the man you know
who exhibits some quality you've seen. And you say, that's
the kind of man I want to be. I think
it's often easier to find the negative. I don't want
to be like that. Like the viral thing that went
viral last week. You know, I don't want to be
like that person right there. But I want us to

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go on a positive route today. And the idea for
this screamed at me last week, and I knew we
were on to something good over the weekend because one
of my adult daughters said, hey dad, did you see
the clip of Kirk Cousins wife? And I said, not
only did I see it, I'm doing a program on
Monday about it. Netflix followed three quarterbacks last year, and

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they put together a multi-episode documentary about Joe Burrow, the
Bengals and Jared Goff of the Lions, and Kirk Cousins,
who played his first year in Atlanta last year after
many years with the Vikings. And they followed all three
through the ups and downs, the wins, the losses, the injuries,

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Ease the break in at Burroughs house while he was
playing a Monday night game. Bad language from players and coaches.
It's all in there. As well as playing football in
the basement. This is one of the this is one
of the parts that I loved. Uh, Kirk Cousins sons
are relatively close in age. They're younger and they just,
you know, they dad plays in the NFL is great.

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They just want to play with him in the basement.
And Kirk is playing all time quarterback. And he says okay.
So first down is that power outlet right there. It
was so good. It's such a a peek behind the scenes.
In the last episode, they're letting Kirk's wife Julie tell
the story about the night Kirk heard that his backup,

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Michael Penix Jr, was going to start the next game.
Kirk's phone alerts. Julie sees it on the couch. Kirk
doesn't see it, and she knows because it's a Something
from the coach she knows at this time of night.
This is probably not good news. So Kirk goes for

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a meeting and I want to play this. And. And
you're going to hear the pauses, the emotion in the clip.
This is Julie Cousins.

S2 (04:14):
It was like 730 at night. And so I said
Rahim called you and he knew what that meant and
so did I. And. Um, he was gone for about
an hour. And, uh, that was a really sad time.
My kids, my kids were playing, and I was crying,
and they're like, what's wrong? And trying to explain it

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to them? They're like, is he not on the team anymore? Um,
just a very somber night. And then he came back
and sat in the garage. When I went out there,
he was actually calling Michael, Which I thought was really cool.
It's like, who does that?

S3 (04:58):
Hey, hey. How we doing?

S2 (05:02):
You just drove home from one of the hardest conversations
you've ever had. And you're going to call Michael to
say the job is yours. I mean, that brings tears
to my eyes. That is the kind of man he is.

S1 (05:43):
That is the kind of man he is. Did you
hear that right there? It's like she she saw it And.
And he didn't say this. He didn't explain it. It
was like, this is coming from her. Here's what I
saw happen. That's the kind of man he is. So
the topic today is what kind of man do you

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want to be? Who has shown you the way as
a man or a mom could answer? This is the
kind of man I want my son to be. What
is the quality? What action, what attitude? What is a
man exhibited that you have observed? And you've said, oh,
I want to be like that. I want to live

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like that. I aspire to be like that, man. I
want to emulate him. How do you respond to that?
Here's a number [phone]. And again tomorrow we're going to
focus on women. This is a two day series. The
man you want to be, the woman you want to be.

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But today it's just you and me and a story
that shows that's the kind of man he is. [phone].
You know what I saw in the the whole Texas
floods situation that we've been going through the last few weeks.

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The and you could talk about the rescuer, the the
young man who this is the first rescue thing that
he has been on. And, you know, the hundreds of
people who they were able to rescue because he he
went in and did his job and he was like,
it's not not that big of a deal. You know,
I'm just doing what what they trained me to do.

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You know, it's like I want to be like that.
It's just doing what they trained me to do. But
even more than that, there was a this photo of
a man who is in uniform, and he's searching. He's
helping others search. And you could just tell the heat
and the humidity and all of the the struggle that
they're going through to find now to find bodies. And

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he's just got his hand over his eyes. And you
can you can see the grief. I want to be
a man like that. I want to be somebody who
feels what is going on is not just an automaton,
not just somebody who's who's doing the job and is

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going to go out, but who in the middle of
it is able to stop and to feel it. And
how can you not in a situation like that? What
kind of man do you want to be? What man
have you seen that you want to emulate? Let me
take our first break. We'll come back with your calls
at 87754836758775483675. There's room for you today at the radio

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backyard fence. You can also answer on Facebook if you'd
like to do that. This is Chris Fabry live on
Moody Radio. With Julie Cozens said. That's that is the

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kind of man he is with all that emotion right there.
It's like, oh, and you don't want to be an
NFL quarterback in order for somebody to see that, you know,
in some ways the upfront person gets more press like this.
It's the person who is quiet and behind the scenes,
who is the man you want to be. That I

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want to talk about today. [phone]. First up is my
pal Robert. Robert, why are you on the phone here today?

S4 (09:39):
Because you do great radio and this is going to
be a fabulous topic. I think, uh, I want to
just relate one story. Uh, I was an eyewitness and
ear witness. It was, I can't believe, 36 years ago, uh,
but in 1989, uh, my wife and two daughters and

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I moved from the frigid North country to work with
a ministry in North Georgia. And, uh, the only thing
that is similar between the two is both have the
word north in them. This North Georgia is magnificent. Thrilled
to move down. And, uh, my boss paid for the

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moving van. We packed up everything we wanted to keep.
Kids left their school and their friends. We left our
church and moved to the south. And, uh, the company
gave us time off to find a house to rent.
And it was just this was going to be great. And, uh,

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during that move, my boss had a heart attack. Uh.
I was employee number 34. Uh, we didn't have a
plan B. There was no house to go back to.
There was no job to go back to. Uh, we
were all in, and, uh. When the boss was able to.

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It wasn't very long afterward, but he came in, addressed
the staff, and he said something very close to this.
If God called you to be here, don't worry. And
I was just floored. It was like he could have

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talked about himself. Poor me. You'll understand if you know
if employee number 34 is no longer here. It was
just no call for his own, for sympathy for him.
It was. Don't worry. God will take care of you.
If you're here to serve me. You might be in

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trouble if you came here to serve God. As I'm
serving God. God will take care of you. And that
selflessness that it wasn't about him, his his humility, his
care for others, uh, turned out to be a revelation

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of his character, his faith in God, his devotion to God. Uh,
that I witnessed for, uh, 14 more years. And, uh,
and the 14th year, God called him home. And, uh,
but I had 14 years with the man who considered
others as more important than himself and who was a

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magnificent representation of God. And it only struck me today, Chris, that, yes,
I want to be like him, but I want to
be like him because he wanted to be like Jesus Christ.
And he reminds me of Jesus Christ. And by God's grace,
I can more and more become both like my boss
and by and like Jesus Christ. And that's just, uh,

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it's like I say this, this is a great topic
and I'm so proud of you.

S1 (13:04):
I love that you went that way, because there are
many stories that you could tell about your boss, but
that one there shows the power of trickle down trust.
Meaning his trust in God was so great, and he
expressed that to you in the way that he did

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so that then it washed over you so that you
caught part of his trust in the sovereignty and the
goodness and the provision of God. Right?

S4 (13:34):
Absolutely. And when I went through very dark waters, there
were times where I wasn't sure if I believed in God.
But I knew Larry did, and I wasn't sure if
God loved me, but I just blew it. But my
boss did. Yeah.

S1 (13:50):
No, that's okay. Because, uh, because we were going to
let people know who that is, though. Larry would say, no, don't.
You don't have to tell them that. Does Larry Burkett.
Larry Burkett was that kind of guy, and he would
be the first to say, I'm not perfect, don't live.
You know, don't don't put me up on some pedestal.
But right there, he exhibited the same kind of I

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think all of these qualities exhibited the same kind of
life trust that Jesus had in his father.

S4 (14:19):
Right, right, right.

S1 (14:21):
Yeah. Great story. Robert. Thanks for starting us off today.
God bless you, friend.

S4 (14:26):
Love you.

S1 (14:26):
Okay, there's Robert now how about you? [phone]. Olivia is
in Florida. Hi, Olivia. Go right ahead.

S5 (14:40):
Hi. Hi, Chris. Thanks for taking my call. I wanted
to express how I have had awful men in my life.

S1 (14:52):
Okay, hang on a minute, Olivia. I'm not. I'm not
hearing you as clearly as I want to hear you. Uh,
can you can you hold the phone up to your
mouth just a little bit more so that I can
make sure I want to get every word here? Okay.

S5 (15:07):
My husband is very caring. He does just about everything
for me. He takes very good care of me. And
I thank God for him. I wish that they would
have classes. He'd be the professor to teach most men

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out there just how to treat a woman like a lady.

S1 (15:36):
Okay, so how to treat your husband treats you the
way her husband treats you, and the way that he
cares for you is the thing to emulate. Um. Is
she hear me now, Ryan? No. Okay. All right. Can
you put her on hold? Because I. I don't think
she's able to hear me. Uh, as I as I

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speak here. So let's put her on hold because I
want to come back to this. The way that you
treat others, the way you treat your wife, the way
you treat your kids. I want to emulate that. Uh,
let me go to Wendy, who's also in Florida. Wendy.
Why did you call today?

S5 (16:16):
I called because.

S6 (16:18):
My dad, who went to be with the Lord seven
years ago, almost eight. He was a family man. He
had ten children. Three sets of twins. Very hard worker.
Would not accept government. Handout. Would not even allow it
in the house. We went to Disney World. We went

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to Washington DC. The vacations he would work. He started
out as a barber, and then when the afros came out,
he said that, um, that put him out of out
of work. So he went to cutting lawns. He would
cut runs in the summer, on Saturday morning, come home

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about 1:00, tell my mother to get us on our
bathing suits. He's going to take us out to the beach.
He was such a family. Family man. Even his uncles,
who he grew to know the Lord Jesus and himself
as Lord and Savior. They would always come by the
house just to see the house was clean. And they

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would say, Dee or Theo or Teddy, how do you
do all of this with all of these children? He
was a provider just as the way God taught us
to be.

S4 (17:38):
Yes.

S6 (17:38):
By his word.

S1 (17:40):
So it's not just the hard work and the work ethic,
and there's nothing wrong with that. But the hard work
and the provision to provide was was for you, for
your family. And a part of what you've just described
is the time that he took. It wasn't just buying

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you a bunch of stuff, it was spending time with you. Right?

S6 (18:06):
Absolutely, absolutely. And he's the reason why my relationship is
with God the way that it is. I would call
him up, daddy, my husband is not acting right. And
he said to me, Wendy, God is going to answer
my prayer because I'm going to pray for you, because
I love you. But you know what? God will answer

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your prayer just as quick because your feet are there
in it. Go in your closet and begin to talk
to God about what's going on. I love you, I'm
going to pray for you, but I want you to
develop your own relationship with God.

S1 (18:43):
And that kind of legacy then will spill over, not
just onto you, but then to your own friends and
family and your own children if you have them. Right.

S6 (18:54):
Amen. Amen. And that's what I've taught them. Yes.

S1 (18:59):
I'm so glad you got through, Wendy. God bless you.
Thanks for telling us about your dad today.

S6 (19:04):
Thank you for having me. And I love your show.

S1 (19:07):
Uh, so she's talking about legacy. A life well lived.
These kinds of character traits will leave a legacy. And
you don't have to put it on a billboard in
order or write a book about it in order for
people to know it. Because the ones who are who
need to know it, know it if they have their

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eyes open, like Kirk's wife, Julie, who saw him pull
into the into the garage and sit there. And who's
he talking to? What's going on in there? Well, I'm
just calling Michael to say congratulations and welcome. He didn't
have to do that, but he he knew what it
would mean. He. And maybe that's part of what a

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good man does. Uh, a good man is able to
step into the shoes of somebody else and see what
would happen if he were in that place. I wonder
if they ever get to talk with Kirk Cousins. I
want to ask him this. Was there ever anybody who
did that for you when you stepped onto the field?

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Who showed you that so that it was just, you know, no,
this is what you do, even though it hurts, even
though it's a struggle. This is how you live. Mark
is on the line. Mark? Tell me why you called today.

S4 (20:34):
Yeah.

S7 (20:34):
I want to be a man of gentle wisdom. And
I'll tell you, uh, some characteristics I have in mind. Um,
another time that I called in, I talked about a
pastor that I had lunch with for 15 years, and
he was certainly a man of gentle wisdom. The one
of the characteristics is that they give advice. People of

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gentleness and wisdom. They give advice that strikes you as
a rich, nutritious meal designed for your benefit. Whereas someone
who's a little lacking on the gentle wisdom side tends
to give advice that strikes you as them admiring themselves
in a mirror like, oh, look at all the good

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nuggets of wisdom I'm giving out. And if only you
could appreciate that. Boy, I am so wise. And there's
also there can be some one upmanship in it too.

S1 (21:37):
And comparison and and. Yeah but that's not that's not
what he gave you. It sounds like. And this is
one of the things that I wrote down, uh, as anticipating,
I wonder if anybody will call and say that a,
a person, a man, the man I want to be
is a good listener. It sounds like he was a

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good listener to.

S7 (21:58):
Oh, he was. Oh, he definitely was. And every every
man that I've wanted to emulate has been a man
of gentle wisdom. And I just hope that I could
be like these men when I'm at my most seasoned.

S1 (22:14):
Hmm. That's really good, Mark. Thank you for for calling
in today. God bless you, friend. The man I want
to be. Well, what? Who has lived that in front
of you? Seven five. Chris is in Spring Hill, Tennessee. Hi, Chris.

S8 (22:33):
Hey, guys. Um, I wanted to share my grandfather. Um,
my grandfather was a devout Christian. Uh, was was didn't
speak a lot, but his actions always spoke louder than
the words. And my story is when I was maybe
8 to 10, started liking rock and roll music, wanted

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to listen things he would be taking me to, um,
you know, doctor's appointments for my mother. She was in college, um,
getting her teaching degree after she had gotten married to
my father. And I spent a lot of time with him.
But one of the with with the radio, he would
always roll up toilet paper and put it in his

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ears when it was on. He didn't stop me, but
his example made me ask him later, you know, as
I matured and said, why did you do that? He said,
I didn't want anything. Not Christ like to enter into
my soul, my being who I was and that that created,
you know, a great impression on me. And I hope

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as the man that I am, I hope the children
that I have that they will pass that on. And
that example can be seen of living Christ like and
not even speaking, just seeing that light and being that person.

S1 (23:52):
So he didn't make you turn it off, but he
wanted to protect his own heart and his own ear canal. Right.

S8 (24:00):
Yeah. Yes. And then later on, he would check on me,
talk to me, and all of it came together as
I matured. But then, uh, you know, uh, rather than conflict,
he gave me an example, if that makes sense.

S1 (24:14):
No, it does, it does. Uh, is your dad still living?

S8 (24:19):
Uh, my dad is. This was my grandfather, though.

S9 (24:21):
Your grandfather? Oh, okay. Your grandfather?

S8 (24:24):
Yeah. Now he's not he's not living any longer. but
he still makes impressions, you know. He did so many
other things for me. I mean, he literally first the
first time that I needed a resume, hand typed it
for me and pulled out, you know, a suit and said,
here's a suit. And then I was like, oh, mom,
I can't wear this. You know, to my mother. And

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she says, you take it. But now I have a
quilt where I took every piece of that suit and
made it into a quilt as a memory to him.

S1 (24:53):
Well, that's the kind of man I want to be,
to take those memories to, to be able to recall
something like this and the way that your grandfather spoke
into your, your life and be able to hang on
to that and then share it with others like you've
done here today, Chris. God bless you, friend. Thanks for
for calling in today. I think there there's something here.

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I think there's something really good here for every man
who's listening and every woman who's listening as well. The
kind of man I want to be is our topic.
Here's the number 775483675. Now you know what we're trying
to do. Your story might be the very one that
somebody else, some man listening right now, needs to hear.

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Next up, as we talk about here's what we're talking about.
If you're just tuning in right now, we're talking about

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the man you want to be, the man I want
to be. Have you had anybody live that way in
front of you? Next up is a fellow named Larry. Larry,
I've known Larry for many, many years. He is actually
the announcer on the From His Heart broadcast with Jeff
Shreve from Memphis, Tennessee. Larry, how you doing today?

S10 (27:55):
Uh. It's Memphis. This is the way we say it
up here. Memphis. Yeah, I'm doing great, Chris. And boy,
what a joy to talk to you. It's been a
lot of years since we worked together, but, uh, you
were you were a great role model for me, so
I want to thank you for that.

S1 (28:13):
Ah, nice of you to say.

S10 (28:16):
Well, I didn't really mean it, but I thought it
would be a good way to start the program.

S1 (28:21):
You're right. You're absolutely right. This is a man with
a sense of humor, folks. Okay, tell me why you, uh,
you're on the phone here.

S10 (28:29):
Uh, well, I guess I'm on the phone to talk about, uh,
people that have impacted me and in ways that, uh,
change my life. Um, and, uh, of course, the thing
we have in common is Adrian Rogers. Um, I worked
for him for 13 years. And, of course, you voiced
his program for ever. And, um, he was a man

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that had integrity far beyond what I had ever known.
Integrity to be, uh, even from my own father and
people I knew. And, uh, he just changed my life
and redefined what I needed to be to be a
person of integrity.

S1 (29:08):
So how did he live that in front of you?
Is there a an image that you have? Is there
a slice of life that you recall?

S10 (29:19):
Well, how long you got? Your program is not long
enough for that. Uh, I mean, there are just countless
examples of the way he was such a real and honest,
authentic person. Uh, but, you know, when I talk to
people about Adrian, I often talk about the fact that, um,

(29:41):
he was just so honest. I remember time, you know,
back in the day, you recorded the audio for the
radio program for Adrian, and and, um, we would I
would go into the booth with him, and I would
ask him questions that we were later going to send
you in writing. You were going to record them and
send them back to us, and we would insert them

(30:03):
in there. So it sounded like you were there. Well,
I went in there one day and I said, uh,
I'm going to do this. Uh, Doctor Rogers, and I'd
like for you to say things like, um, well, it's
good to be with you, Chris. And, uh, good to
see you, Chris. Say those a couple of times so
we can insert that in there. He said, oh no, no,

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I can't do that. Why not? Well, because Chris isn't here.
I said, well, I know he's not there, but this
is the theater of the mind. And and we're going
to put Chris in here and it's going to sound
like he's here. He said, but he's not here. I said,
I understand that, but. And he interrupted me again, leaned forward.
His eyes kind of squinted together, and he said, he's

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not here. And I said, yes, sir. Okay, I understand. Well,
can you say hello, Chris or thank you, Chris. He
thought for a second and he goes, yeah, I can
do that. Um, that's how deep his integrity ran. And
that just resonated with my heart. After that happened, Chris,

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after that happened, I got up from the table and
he finished what he was going to do And he
got up from the booth, uh, because he came over
to our studios several blocks away. And, uh, and then
he started walking out, and he went down to see
my boss for just a second. And then I had
forgotten to give him a piece of copy that I
needed him to record for a radio station that was

(31:33):
having their 50th birthday or something. So I ran down
to him. He came out the door, and I kind
of stood in front of him and I said, um,
Doctor Rogers, where are you going? I don't know why
I said that, but I, I just wanted to know
if he had any time. And he said to me, well,
that's none of your business. My heart stopped and I said,

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I'm sorry. I just meant to ask you if you
you had any more time you'd like to do, like,
a 15 second promo for this station. I promised it
to him two months ago, and I just wanted to
know if you could do that. He looked at his watch.
He had a frustrated face and he got up. Okay,
but make it quick, I said. Yes sir. So we
ran down there. He did the promo and he left

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About an hour later, I get a call in my
office and I said hello. He said, hello, this is
Adrian because I can't do his voice, but hello, this
is Adrian. Larry. Yes, sir. And you know, I'm frozen.
And he said, I just wanted to tell you that, uh,
I'm sorry for the way I spoke to you. I

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shouldn't have done that. I was rushed, I had a
funeral to do. I wasn't prepared for it. And I just.
I just shouldn't have done that. And I, I apologize
to you, and I hope you'll forgive me. And I
just froze, and I said, oh, it was nothing. I
didn't think a thing about it. Of course, you know,
my heart started beating again. But that's the kind of

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man he was. A man who would say he's sorry
to just, you know, an employee like everybody else.

S1 (33:06):
So that's the kind of man I want to be. See?
And that that shows you don't have to be perfect
in order to make an impression. As a matter of fact,
your imperfection, your weakness might be the entree that God
uses to deepen the relationship with other people. And then

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here comes that H word again, the humility, the humility
that he exhibited in front of you and that he
didn't just say, you know, uh, you know, the funeral.
I mean, who could who could fault him for being
a little snippy when you've got this and he's not
ready and he wants to be, you know, um, you
can't fault him for that, but that that made an

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impression on him. That's the kind of man I want
to be, and I. My guess is you, too.

S10 (33:56):
Absolutely. Without question. You got time for another quick story, please? Um,
I had I was hired by love. Worth buying. I'd
been on radio and television commercial stations for a long time, and, uh,
he hired me to come help tweak his television program.
This is back in 1996. And so it was a

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long time ago, Chris. But anyway, um, he asked me
to to come and do that. That's why I came
to to, uh, to love. Worth finding. About six weeks
I've been there, and he asked me to come into
his office. So I came into his office and he said, well, Larry, um,
you've been here six weeks. We've asked you to help

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our program, so give me your thoughts. So what can
we do to improve the program? And I mentioned a
couple of things. And I said, uh, you mind if
I get a little personal? He says no. And I said, um,
when you dye your hair dark like he was doing,

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this is a 96%. I said, it causes you to
not like you're trying to cover something up. You need
to be authentic. The way you are. And I don't
want you to put a barrier up there. So people
might think you're trying to be something you're not. Well,
he was stunned because, you know, people didn't do that

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to him. But I didn't know that. I didn't know it.
I was just being honest. He told me to give
him suggestions and I told him what I thought. Well,
he looked at me for a second. Seemed like a long, long,
long second. And he unfolded his arms and he said, uh. Well, oh,

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you were personal. And I said, well, I didn't mean
to hurt your feelings. I just I just think that
that would help you if you would, you know, dye
it a little lighter. And he said, well, Larry, I
suppose you wouldn't have said that if you didn't love me.

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And I was floored work. And so it still gets
it still gets to me today when I think about it. Yeah. So, uh, anyway, we, uh.

S1 (36:18):
Just the, just the ability to process this thing, you know,
about his hair and about his personal appearance and to
be able to get to the place where he sees
that you are saying this out of love rather than
a critical spirit or any anything else. That's.

S10 (36:39):
Yeah.

S1 (36:40):
That's the kind of man I want to be.

S9 (36:42):
Yeah.

S10 (36:43):
Yeah. And not too long after that, his hair started
going lighter and he kept it light and even lighter
the older he got. And I don't know if that
was natural or he dyed it that way, but, uh,
and I don't know that I impacted or I made
that happen. He could have gone home and told Joyce that.
I said that, and she said she said to him, well,
I've been telling you that for ten years. I don't.

S9 (37:06):
Know.

S10 (37:06):
I don't know who did it, but, uh. anyway. So.

S9 (37:09):
You know, I do remember him.

S1 (37:11):
Larry. I remember because we then we started doing where
I would call him on the phone and record my
half of it, and he would record his half in
the studio and he would say, well, Chris, you know,
and he wouldn't say, it's nice to see you. Uh,
but he would, he would use my name, you know,
he would talk, talk to me over the phone that
way and have real integrity.

S9 (37:34):
Yeah.

S1 (37:34):
This is this is there's something about these stories that
call something of us to be, to more, to examine ourselves.
Larry Nobles, thank you for calling here today. Let me
take our final break. When we come back. I want
you to hear a little clip of a movie. See
if you can tell what movie this is from. When

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we come back. And it's about the kind of man
this character is in the film, you'll hear that and
more straight ahead here on Chris Fabry Live.

S11 (38:16):
Well, he was wrong.

S12 (38:18):
I've been appointed to defend Tom Robinson. Now that he's
been charged, that's what I intend to do.

S11 (38:24):
You've taken his.

S12 (38:25):
Excuse me. Mister.

S11 (38:32):
What kind of man are you? You got children of
your own?

S1 (38:37):
Bob Ewell, who's yelled down the courthouse steps at Atticus,
who said, what kind of man are you? And he
said it derisively, like, from Bob's perspective, you should agree
with me because I'm white and Tom is black. You
should agree with me. What kind of man are you? Well,

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the flip side of that is what was true. Atticus
was showing in To Kill a mockingbird. What kind of
man he really was. And the injustice of the system
that he was. It strikes me every time that voice
of the actor. I think the actor did such a
great job. What kind of man are you? And I asked.

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I'm asking that question today. What kind of man are you?
What kind of man do you want to be? Uh,
Catherine is in Pennsylvania. Catherine, why did you call today?

S13 (39:34):
Well, I don't want to be a man, but I
will tell you that my daddy, uh, greatly impacted my life.
And because of who he was, that's what I looked
for in my husband. He taught us how to live
well in the Lord. He was a godly man, a pastor,
uncompromising on the word. And he instilled that love in

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the three of us girls. And then as he was
passing several years ago, his pastor came in and reached
down to his hospice bed, took him by the forearm
and prayed for my dad, and my dad wouldn't let
him go until he prayed for the pastor. And it
was just a heart of service his whole life.

S1 (40:16):
And and that ability, even in the hard stuff, to
be able to look at others, to be able to
step into their shoes, you know, as Atticus was talking about,
and that whole book was about.

S9 (40:28):
For.

S1 (40:29):
Us to be able to get past you to the
other person that takes I think that takes a work
of the spirit to do.

S9 (40:40):
For sure.

S1 (40:41):
And it sounds like that's what happened with your dad.

S13 (40:45):
Oh, he he loved the Lord and he loved his family.
And he was a friend to all. Even after he
retired from the pastorate, he served doing, serving other pastors
in going to hospitals for pastoral visits. He just couldn't
quit serving. And he he served the Lord to the
end he showed us how to live well and how

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to die well. Trusting in the Lord.

S1 (41:08):
It's almost like it's in the in the DNA. What
we're talking about here. The caring for others, the unbridled
trust in God, the humility, the being able to say,
I'm sorry. The gentle wisdom that Marc was talking about,
that something that happens on the inside that works itself out,
that you can't do it on your own. You can

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see it and then mimic it, trying to emulate it.
But unless God grabs a hold of you, it doesn't
come from the heart as much as just you pulling
yourself up by your bootstraps. This is not you. Don't
become that kind of man just by by self-will or self-determination.

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There is a surrender in becoming this kind of man.
Mary is in Michigan. Mary, why did you call today?

S14 (42:02):
Well, I also am calling about my dad. Um, he
taught us, by his own example never to give up
on any difficulty, a problem, try to fix it. He
would try. It didn't work. He would try something else.
It didn't work. He would try until he could make
it work. And then when I was widowed for almost

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ten years, I had to exercise that myself to try
to fix things on my own. The other thing that
I loved about my dad is that he always noticed everyone.
If they were blind in our church, he would poke
them when he was bringing the offering plate around or something,

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and they'd know it was him. Oh, Jim. They'd say, um,
he taught us when he dropped us off at the
one room schoolhouse to say to us, don't forget to
pray before you eat your lunch. So all those little things,
it was so, I don't know. Influential in who I
am today at almost 80.

S9 (43:04):
Yes. Isn't that good?

S14 (43:05):
I love my.

S9 (43:06):
Dad. Oh, I'm.

S1 (43:07):
So glad that we got to hear a little bit
about your father today. God bless.

S9 (43:10):
You. Thank you.

S1 (43:11):
Mary, thank you for calling. We had Chip Ingram talk
about this. This wasn't this wasn't a great pastor that
he's going to talk about. It was somebody that he
worked with. Here's what Chip said.

S15 (43:22):
At one season. It was shortly after college. And, um,
teaching jobs were tough to come by. By the time
I got there. And so I worked with him. I
was his hod carrier, and I mixed mud by hand.
It was the hardest work I'd ever done. He would
do these archways and brick with black mortar. People would
wait a year, a year and a half for him

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to do their fireplace or something on their home. And
and the lessons I learned, I'll never forget we were, uh,
we were doing a foundation. It's just, you know, a block.
And I'm lifting all this block, and we got it
up about, oh, 2.5ft all the way around. And, you know,
he came in and, you know, string the lines. So
I get the line and he snaps it. And for

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those who don't know, it's like you're trying to figure
out is everything level and everything. And and then he
kind of looked one way, then looked the other. And
he started walking around this one side of it. And
with his boots he started kicking in all the this wall.
And I'm going, what? Dude, what are you what are
you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?
He kicked it in, kicked it in, kicked it in.

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He goes. It's, uh, it's out x amount or something.
And and I said, well, that's that's within the limits
of the city and all that. He goes, of course,
I don't do this for the city. I do this
for God. And this this does not have the excellence
that he would require. It's out of square, I said,

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but wouldn't it pass? And he just looked at me like,
where's your mind? That's not the issue. It's not whether
it passes for men. And there were just a handful
of things like that that were worth probably about 10,000 sermons,
you know. And again, and he had his struggles too.
And what was good was he'd share them with me,

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which kind of helped me because I had plenty. He
had a holy ambition, and his holy ambition was to
disciple college students.

S1 (45:19):
That's the kind of man I want to be. That
excellence that Chip talked about with his friend Lisa Ann said,
our son exhibits compassion and kindness to people and pets.
He's an inspiration to me and others as he talks
to cats and dogs wherever he finds them, helping them
to comfort and safety. And that's one of the other

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traits that I see in somebody I want to emulate,
male or female. And tomorrow we're going to talk about women.
But a man who is kind to animals, a man. Well,
even Proverbs talks about that, you know, being caring, caring
for the health of your animals. The man I want

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to be is generous. Giving. Forgiving. Peaceful. Not striving. Mary
talked about perseverance. One who exhibits the aroma of Christ.
One who sees suffering and afflictions as an opportunity to

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experience comfort. To to give that comfort to somebody else.
I think living at a slower pace and not judging
people on their appearance. There's an awful lot to say
about that. Thanks for joining us today at The Back Fence.
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