April 4, 2025 • 46 mins
He was about to make it into the NCAA tournament. Did you see what happened to the player who went viral? He got in the game because the ref saw him sitting in front of the scorer's table. He saw that player. Friday on Chris Fabry Live, when someone saw you. Or when you saw someone else. What kind of difference might that simple act of seeing make in someone's life? Tell your story on Chris Fabry Live.
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S1 (00:06):
The ref saw him. The ref was running down the
court with about a minute left on the clock, and
he saw number ten in front of the scorer's table.
And in those few moments he understood. Here's number ten
trying to get in the game. He hasn't been in
the game the whole game. This is his chance. So
what does the ref do? He finds a wall, a
wet spot on the floor and blows his whistle. And
(00:28):
in comes number ten. That's what the video showed at
the end of the game between Oregon and Liberty. But
there is much more to this story. And today on
Chris Fabry Live, you're going to hear from number ten.
You will discover some family members of his. And then
it's your turn to tell me when you've been seen
or when you saw someone else like that ref did.
(00:50):
Your story might encourage somebody else today. Let's get started. First,
a thank you to our team, Ryan Mcconahay doing all
things technical. Trisha is our producer. Lisa is in the
chair today. Anthony will be answering your calls. And since
it's Friday. Oh, that's right, it's time for the fabulous
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(02:21):
I've been a fan of the NCAA tournament for a long,
long time, and I'm looking at stories. Up pops a
video of a ref who stops the game with about
a minute left in the contest between the flames and
the ducks. And on the sideline is number ten, sitting
in front of the scorers table, ready to go in.
But he couldn't go in until play stopped. Here's what
(02:44):
it sounded like on the CBS broadcast.
S2 (02:49):
These guys don't know if they'll get time in the
NCAA tournament.
S3 (02:53):
I like that Roger just stopped the game to get
the sub in. Let my man get in here to
let him get his opportunity to play. That's right.
S2 (03:01):
Jake Scheyer, junior.
S1 (03:05):
So the ref, Roger Ayers, paused at the hardwood floor.
He finds a wet spot that isn't there. He blows
the whistle, he stops the play, and in comes number ten.
Ladies and gentlemen, here he is, number ten, Jake Scherer, junior. Jake,
how you doing today?
S4 (03:23):
I am doing well, sir. How about yourself?
S1 (03:25):
I'm doing great. And I love this. I when I
saw this, my my heart just. I started tearing up
because I've been there. Uh, when somebody, you know, wanting
to get in and not being able to get in
and then somebody sees you. So I want you to
talk about, first of all, talk about the ref. Do
you know him?
S4 (03:45):
Uh, so he first of all, let me start by
saying thank you, Mr. Chris, for having me on on
this radio show. It's an honor. Moody is deep in
the roots of my family. So I appreciate you being
able to reach out to me and have this conversation.
But I have met the ref before. He has ref
some of our games at Liberty University and so I've
met him a couple times, said hello, all the things,
(04:06):
but you know nothing like we have just a great relationship,
just more of a player ref. He's cool with our
team relationship.
S1 (04:12):
Yes. So did it surprise you when? When he did that?
S4 (04:18):
It did. It really did. Because there was no inkling
that he was going to do something. Like he was
just running down the court regular. And I just kind
of was just not paying attention that much. And so
then when he stopped, just like all of a sudden,
it just kind of like confused me. I was like,
what is he doing? Yes.
S1 (04:34):
And he he shook your hand when you stood up to.
That usually doesn't happen, does it?
S4 (04:39):
No, it usually doesn't. And he said something really cool
when he did it. He shook my hand and was like.
He was like, this is something that he said, I
got you, buddy. And that's why I started laughing. And
he was like, this is something you remember for the
rest of your life, bro. Go have fun. And so
he really, really, really, really good, dude.
S1 (04:56):
Yeah. Well, and what I saw, you know, I'm I'm
watching it knowing what's going to happen. You know, the
replay focusing on him because he's looking over to make
sure that everything with nobody's running for the basket, nobody's
shooting or anything. Everything is, is basically, you know, stopped,
not stop. But it's there's no special thing that's happening.
(05:17):
And that's when he blows his whistle. So it's like
you hear all these things about referees and how they
insert themselves into the game. You know, in football, basketball,
whatever it is, this is a time when he inserted
himself into this. But it was just so life giving
to me. Is that the way you felt?
S4 (05:37):
Um, you know, in the moment directly, I was kind
of thinking, that's hilarious. That's cool. Okay. Like, let me
go in and let me do what I need to do.
So in the moment, I didn't even really get to
reflect on how cool of a moment it was, because
now I'm in the heat of getting in the game.
And so I didn't even think about it that much.
But looking back on it in that perspective, I got
(05:58):
to think, oh man, that was super cool that he
did that. And I really want to see him again,
which I know I will because he'll be at our
gym at some point. But I really want to thank him,
be like, that was so cool.
S1 (06:08):
Had you played at all that game?
S4 (06:10):
That game? No, I had not played a single second
until until that moment.
S1 (06:15):
How about this season? Because the flames had a really
good season. I think you won something like 28 games. Uh, yeah. 20. Yeah.
S5 (06:22):
Um, yeah, we had an extremely good season.
S4 (06:24):
I played in, uh, multiple games before then, but not
any in the in in that game particular. But I
played in multiple before.
S5 (06:33):
Yeah.
S1 (06:34):
So when this went viral then and everybody started seeing it.
What did you think about that man okay.
S4 (06:41):
So quick and funny story. So I got sent this
video after the game. My brother sent it to me
and was like, yo dude, look at this. And this
is like 20, 25 minutes after the game is over.
So I'm still in the heat of the loss and
I'm like, like, not in the mood. And so he
doesn't care as my brother of course. And so he
says to me and it has like 15,000 likes already.
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And I don't know how many views at the time,
but I was like a little bit upset. I'm not
going to lie to you because it was like a
personal pride thing. It was like, oh, this kind of
kid who never plays got the ref stops so he
could come in the game. And, you know, it's just
this cool moment. So I kind of felt a little,
a little ways about that because, you know, I was
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my pride. I was like, no, I can whoop too.
This is not you know, it's not a thing where
everybody needs to make a big deal out of it,
if that makes sense. And so I got sent it.
I was a little upset that it had that many
likes in that short amount of time. But, you know,
I was like, whatever. It's March Madness. They're gonna post
so many more videos after this that everybody's going to
forget about it, so nobody cares. So I just let
(07:46):
it go. And then the next morning, I woke up
and had like 3.5 million views and I was like, okay, great.
So nobody's forgetting about it. And so, um, right then
and there, I was like, you know what? This is dumb.
I'm just going to close my phone. I mean, at
this point, I mean, I've had upwards of 20, 25
(08:06):
people have sent me this video and I'm getting annoyed
and I'm like, okay, I don't like this at all.
This is what I'm thinking at the time. Like, I
don't like this at all. Um, not because it wasn't
a cool moment. I thought it was a great moment.
I just think that now it puts it makes me
look bad in ways. It's a personal thing. And so
I just was like, you know what? Yeah, I'm just not.
I'm just gonna forget this. I'm gonna delete it off
my phone. I'm not going to look at the video anymore.
(08:27):
And I just hope that it blows over sometime soon.
That was that was. Those were my immediate thoughts.
S1 (08:34):
But that changed then. What changed?
S5 (08:36):
Yep. That that.
S4 (08:37):
Definitely changed. So I remember, um, the day after the game,
it was afternoon. I was sitting in my hotel room
by myself, just chilling. And, um, I remember I was
just kind of sitting there and I was thinking about
the situation a little bit. And, um, the Lord kind
of I heard him so clearly, and that's one of
(08:59):
the few times that I actually have, um, heard him
this clearly in like and know what you need to do.
So I was sitting there and all of a sudden
this wave of change kind of came over my, uh,
my mind about the perspective of the situation. And immediately
the Lord kind of placed on my heart like, man,
there has been 3.5 million people who have seen this
(09:21):
video on this one platform at this now, at this time,
about three other platforms that have posted it as well,
or three other accounts, I should say. And so, um,
there's been like 3.5 million on one video and probably
many millions in the other videos who have seen this video, like,
have seen this. And so, um, immediately he was like,
(09:41):
instead of admiring in your own personal pride, instead of
admiring your own like circumstance or whatever. However you view
the situation. How can you use it for my glory instead?
And so in that moment I was like, yo. Like
I'm tripping. I like 3.5 million people are like looking
at a video that I'm in. How can I use
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this for God's glory? So immediately I went under all
the posts. I think it was about four of them
on Instagram. And I commented, I didn't want to do this,
but I had a direct disobedience at that point. If
I didn't, um, I commented on that video. Hey that's me.
The ref is so cool for doing that. Whatever. Whatever.
Then I put dot dot dot. Hey, just so you know,
(10:24):
Jesus Christ is the way to life. Just in case
any of y'all were wondering, I put that on that
same comment on every single platform and video. And I mean,
after that, it probably got like 3 or 4 million
more views on the video. And so it was so cool. Like,
I mean, people responded to it good and bad, obviously. Uh,
but the fact that that many people had the opportunity
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to see it and see Jesus Christ's name. Even that
little thing can. God can use that to just work
miracles in people's lives and say whatever God chooses to
do with it. I was just glad that he gave
me that thought and that inclination to use the platform,
even if I don't like it for his glory, because
God can use anything for his glory. So that's kind
(11:07):
of how I. And then after that situation, I loved it.
I was like, man, I use it for God's glory. Like,
that feels great. So that's how I feel about it now.
But that was kind of the shift and change of
the trajectory of how I went from, oh, I hate
this video to, um, man, this is actually the best
video that ever happened to me.
S1 (11:22):
Don't you love that? That's the voice of number ten JC,
whose video went viral. Now you have to hear the
rest of the story. You have to hear what his
uncle said to him. You have to hear about his
mother and his grandfather if you haven't put it together yet.
But before we get to that, we'll take a break.
And I have a question for you. Why do these
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videos go viral. Why did that ref's actions strike such
a nerve with sports fans or people who aren't even
sports fans? You don't care about the NCAA Championship and
the Final Four and all that. Why did why did
it strike a nerve with you? And why are we
talking about it today? What do you think? Here's the number. 87754836758775483675.
(12:13):
What happened in that video that reaches inside the heart?
That makes us want to know a little bit more.
And that's what we're going to do here in a minute,
because Jake is going to answer a couple more questions.
And then we're going to talk about the power of
seeing others. But very first, why that viral video go viral.
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Give me your opinion. I want to hear from you
right now. Your answer might help somebody else. 675. Hey,
(12:54):
when you call today, if you get on the air,
make sure you wish Brian McConaughey a happy birthday. Today
is his birthday. Yay! I forgot to say that during
the first segment. Okay, so you've heard a little bit
of Jake Scherer Jr and you heard us talk about
the video. You've had time to go and watch the video.
If you haven't seen it. Now I want to know
why is that? Why? Why does that strike a chord?
(13:15):
Why does it make us want to respond to what
happened there on the court? What the ref did for me.
What happened in immediately? As soon as I saw it.
We used to do these kinds of programs. We'd. We'd
see something on the video. There was a very first
time that the in the first season, first few months
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of this program, there was a female softball player who
hit a ball over the fence, and as she was
rounding first, she had a knee injury. I think she
tore a ligament and she fell down. And if she
had gotten help from those on her own team, it
would have just been a single. They can't help her.
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But the other team asks, well, can we help her?
And they pick her up and they let her touch
her good foot. You know, her good leg on second base,
on third base and on home. And everybody claps. And
I tracked down the coach, you know. What did that
do to you? There's something about those kinds of videos,
(14:18):
those human videos. And for me it was the ref.
Seeing Jayce over there hadn't played all game. Less than
a minute to go. This is his chance. And he
blows the whistle. So you tell me, what do you think?
I've seen the videos that Steve Hartman does. He does
a real good job. I think he's with CBS. You know,
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the kid who's the manager of the team and all
year and never, never suits up. And then the last game,
he suits up and he hits like 53 pointers or
something like that. There's something about those videos. So call me.
Tell me what you think. (877) 548-3675. But before we get
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to your calls. Well, I just go to Jeannie. I
want to hear what Jeannie has to say. Jeannie. Go ahead.
Tell me what you think.
S6 (15:10):
Um, can you hear me?
S1 (15:12):
I sure can.
S6 (15:14):
Okay, great. Um, I was just, uh, mentioning the first
thought that came to my mind when that question was
put out there was that we are so hungry for
kindness anymore. The way our, you know, our society has
been in the past few years, it's like these, you know,
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to see someone In authority, step out and just be
kind to another human being that that just really touches
people's hearts. You know, we we need that. We're we're
starving for that. I think and I.
S1 (15:53):
Think you're absolutely right that we are hungry for that.
And you know what it does, Jeannie? It it allows
us to then ask the question, in what ways can
I do the same kind of thing for somebody else
that nobody's going to see? You know, nobody's got a camera.
Who's going to see what you're going to do? Um,
(16:15):
it stokes kindness. Um, produces kindness in others, don't you think?
S6 (16:22):
Oh, definitely. Yes. Yes, I totally agree.
S1 (16:27):
God bless you, Jeannie. Thank you for calling in here today.
S7 (16:30):
All right.
S1 (16:31):
You have a great day. Um, while you think about that,
and we'll take some more of your calls here. And
then I want to get to the question of when
has someone seen you like the ref saw? Jake, I
want you to hear more about what happened. You don't
know Jake's family lineage. There was something that his uncle
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said to him, and in just a few more minutes
of conversation, we will reveal all. So here is Jake.
He wanted to add something to the story.
S5 (17:05):
Probably a couple.
S4 (17:06):
Of days after my uncle. He calls me and he's like,
you know what? I want to point something out to
you just in case you haven't thought about it, which
he said, you may have, but this is what I
want to point out to you. And then he started
talking about God's sovereignty, and he started talking about how
everything that God does, nothing slips through the cracks of
his of his fingers. He holds everything. His whole. The
whole world in his hands. And so if nothing slips
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through the cracks, he put you in that situation and
the ref in that situation to go viral on that
video on multiple platforms, because he probably knew that.
S5 (17:40):
You.
S4 (17:41):
Would be the person to, um, transform it for God's glory.
And so he's like, I don't want you to forsake
the fact that he had to put that ref in
that game in that spot. Make sure that you got
in the game during that time, in that in that
situation where the play had to be conformed so elegantly
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for Rodgers to stop the game, for you to go in,
for the camera to be right there pointing at you guys,
for them to recognize what happened, for the video to
get posted on those things and go viral. He did
all of that and put you in that situation. That's
if that's not God's sovereignty. I don't know what it is.
And so that was another lesson. I was like, wow. Yep.
You're correct. God is good. God is good. Basically.
S1 (18:24):
Okay, I one more question for you, Jake.
S5 (18:27):
Yes, sir.
S1 (18:28):
I saw your last name, Shearer, and I thought, well,
I know Priscilla Cela shiver. I mean, I've we've had
conversations and, you know, she's done the Kendrick brothers movies
and everything. Well, there's probably a lot of shi'as in
the world. Uh, you know her, right?
S5 (18:47):
Oh, yeah.
S4 (18:48):
Yeah. And just a little bit not not like super, super. Well, but,
like a little bit. No, I'm just saying that that
is my wonderful mother.
S1 (18:57):
And when you mentioned your uncle just now, who is that?
S4 (19:01):
Uh, that was Uncle Jonathan. Jonathan.
S1 (19:03):
Jonathan. Okay. So Jonathan was in the forge, right?
S5 (19:08):
He was. He was? Yeah. He was.
S1 (19:10):
Uh, so it all comes together here, folks. J.C. Shearer, junior. Uh,
is JC senior. Is his dad his grandfather's Tony Evans. Right?
S4 (19:22):
Yes, sir. That is it. That's a family tree.
S5 (19:25):
What?
S1 (19:27):
What did Tony say about that play? Did he. Did
he reach out to you?
S4 (19:31):
You know, I don't. I did kind of tell him
the situation a little bit, you know. He didn't say
much about it. As far as the thing, I just
kind of let let him know, like my thoughts about, like,
what happened. And you know, how it was after I
commented on all the posts and stuff. So nothing much.
But he was just, you know, again affirmed. Yep, God
is good, basically. But, you know, that's what he says
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every time we're on the phone.
S1 (19:54):
And God is sovereign and he he has you in
this place. And and what did your mom say about
all of this? What did she say?
S4 (20:01):
You know, she was in Seattle with me. Her and
my brother were in Seattle. And so she got the
raw reaction of how I felt initially because I went
to her room immediately and I was like, this is dumb.
I hate this. And so, um, she again was like,
it's not that bad. You know, being a mom, it's
not that bad. But after everything that happened, she was
basically just talking about how proud she was that I
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was able to do that and kind of, you know,
recognize what I could do with that video for God's glory.
So she was a supporter throughout the whole way through.
So thanks, mom. Appreciate that.
S1 (20:33):
Amen. Amen. Well, and I can I can feel that.
And I'll tell you this. You know, I remember when
she was doing the movie The Forge and what she
was struggling with, with her on screen son, you know,
wasn't getting his life in gear. There had to have
been something with you and your brother about, you know,
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I want him to get on the stick. You know,
I want him to go and do this. She probably
reached inside and was able to pull from some of
the emotion of that and doing that, that part and
that film.
S7 (21:05):
Oh, but.
S1 (21:06):
You I can just tell how and from your dad
the email that I went back and forth with him,
I can tell how proud they are of you.
S4 (21:14):
Oh, yeah. They, they, um, they they have expressed how
proud they are of me a couple of times and,
you know, it it kind of gets it a little
bit like, okay, mom. Okay, dad. Like, I get it.
You're gonna be proud of your son regardless. But, like,
I know they truly mean it. And it really does
mean a lot for me. And people don't realize in
that movie when my mom was, you know, feeling like
the way about the sun and kind of, you know, started,
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you know, like you saw her mad, you know, that
I looked at that movie and I was like, that's
not acting. That is serious. That she did not. That
wasn't mom. She didn't have to act in that movie
because that all happened. Every single part of that happened.
And so I just want to put that out there
that that was not acting. She but again, she's a
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great mother. Of course.
S7 (21:57):
Yeah.
S1 (21:58):
You know, my favorite scene though, of of her and
her anger comes off really so real is when her
son in the movie asks to borrow her car and
he goes off and he loses track of time, and
he's playing, playing ball, and he comes late, and she
had something else to do. And and, you know, she
lets him have it in the front seat of that car.
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So you're saying that that, that that might have happened
at some point.
S4 (22:23):
Oh oh did it happen. Oh, that that was I
was like deja vu almost. That's what it felt like that.
I mean, it couldn't get more real than that.
S7 (22:33):
So are you are.
S1 (22:34):
You done with school then, Jake? Are you what? What
year are you at? Liberty?
S4 (22:39):
Uh, I am a junior. I will be going into
my senior year at Liberty University. So I still have
another year playing basketball. Um, and so I'll still be
there for another year.
S1 (22:50):
You are going to get on that court. You're going
to you. I'm not. I'm not a prophet or I
don't play one on the radio, but I can just
tell there's something special that's going to happen this next season,
don't you think?
S4 (23:02):
I agree, I agree. We have such a great team,
a great staff with coach McKay. And you know, like we,
we we really do play for God. We don't play
for the applause of man or the audience of anything.
And so I'm really excited about what we're going to
do as a team and how I can contribute to that, uh,
to use it for God's glory.
S1 (23:20):
JC thanks for sharing your heart and especially that that
shift in you. You didn't have to tell anybody about that.
That was an internal thing. but that's a part of
the story. So thanks being for being vulnerable with that today.
S4 (23:32):
Oh, absolutely. It's my pleasure. I hope it impacts and
blesses somebody.
S7 (23:37):
It was so good to.
S1 (23:38):
Catch up with JC Shirer Jr. I had no idea.
I mean, I saw the name Shirer and I thought, well,
I know Priscilla Shirer, but there's probably a lot of
shirer's in the world, right? And there he was. And
her mom, his mom was there at the game. All right,
so you've heard the back story. You've heard how he
kind of ah, I don't I didn't want that to
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go viral. But here it is. We are stewards of
the events of our lives. And when you surrender those,
when you submit them to him, something good will happen
from that. That's one of the things that I take
away from that story. How about you? I don't have
time to be fair to anybody on the phone, so
I'm going to do that after we take a break.
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But let me give you the number (877) 548-3675. Why did
that story hit a nerve with so many people and
they wanted to see it? That's the first question. And
then we're going to make a shift. And that is
when has somebody seen you? When has someone noticed you?
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And this could be, uh, you know, it could be
a family member. It could be a parent, it could
be a teacher, it could be somebody I had a
guest on a couple of days ago, and he said
it was another pastor who saw something in me. I
might play that for you, but I want to hear
when someone has seen you. Or if this is true,
that kindness begets more kindness. Love stimulates love. Maybe you
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saw somebody else. Maybe you noticed somebody. You said something
to them and your words or your actions toward them, uh,
made them. It's almost like when you pet a cat,
you know, when you pet a cat and it's on
the back and its back goes up. That's the way
people respond to you seeing them and noticing them. So
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here's the number. (877) 548-3675. Why did that video go viral?
Number one why did you respond to it the way
you did? And number two, when has someone seen you
or when have you seen somebody else? (877) 548-3675. More straight
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ahead on Moody Radio. As soon as I saw this story,
I thought that's the perfect Friday topic for Chris Fabry.
Live on the day before the Final Four, no less.
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So one question is why did that video go viral?
The other is, when is somebody seen you or when
have you seen someone else? And what did it do inside?
Marci is on the line. She's on her way to
a wedding I hear in Indiana somewhere in Indiana. Marcy.
Thanks for calling in here today. Tell me why you called.
S8 (26:28):
Oh, let me get you up. Oh, I'm so sorry.
Let me get to my handset. I'm so sorry.
S1 (26:32):
That's all right. We got time. We. Yeah.
S8 (26:36):
My daughter. My daughter's trying to call and say. Mom,
where are you? And I don't know how to get you.
S9 (26:43):
Hang up on her.
S1 (26:44):
Are you late for the wedding?
S8 (26:47):
No, it starts at four.
S9 (26:49):
Okay. All right. You got time.
S8 (26:51):
Hang up. Can you. Can you hear me? Okay.
S1 (26:53):
Yes, I can. We can hear you. We can hear you. Fine.
So you just tell me why. Why did you call?
Who saw you?
S8 (27:00):
I, um, haven't. Well, I considered a menial job at
a university where I. One day I could be picking
up trash. Uh, everything from trash to planting flowers. And, um,
it's happened more than once. When I'm having a bad day, someone,
usually a student, will just stop and thank me. And
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I almost tear up every time because I feel like
my job isn't noticed, you know? And so anyway, I
can't name a specific person, but it's usually been a student.
And it's been when I think, father, God knows I
just need that. Um, I just need that to be seen.
I need to be seen.
S1 (27:38):
So what happens on the inside when somebody says that?
What what what do you feel inside?
S8 (27:45):
Um. Encouraged that what I do matters. I think in that, um,
I think we all want to be appreciated, you know? Um,
I did have a professional job 20 plus years ago
when I'd win awards and be noticed. Well, that all
that all changed when I went home to be a mom.
And so when I went back to the working world, um,
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that young man mentioned his pride. Uh, this job really
takes my pride to a to where it should be. Um,
I can take pride in my work, but I'm not
going to get accolades. I'm not going to get awards
I used to. sew for somebody just to thank me.
Means the world.
S1 (28:25):
I want to echo what those students have said to you. Um,
because I really. I don't think there are any menial jobs.
All work is, you know, whatever you do, work at
it with all your heart. It's not the thing that
you do. It's how you do what you do. And
it sounds like your heart is in it. But it
can get hard, especially if you don't get noticed that often.
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So I get exactly what you're saying, and I'm so
glad that there were those, especially young people, because young
people get, you know, thrown shade at a lot these
days for not seeing other people. And it's like, let
the little child lead or let the teenager or the
young person let them lead us. Because I can hear
in your voice what that meant to you.
S8 (29:09):
Absolutely, absolutely. And I have to thank the young man
who took my call because he thanked me.
S9 (29:16):
And he found.
S8 (29:17):
Out what I did. He goes, thank you. And I said, well,
when you see somebody there at Moody doing what I do,
give them a shout out.
S9 (29:23):
And he said he would. So bingo. That's all.
S1 (29:25):
That's exactly what I wanted to happen. Okay. Marcy, you
drive carefully. Get Ahold of your daughter. But that's exactly
what I wanted to happen. I wanted somebody you know.
And I can't control this, though I like to. I
wanted somebody to hear a story like Marcy's or a story,
or even Anthony, who answered the call and said, hey,
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thank you for what you're doing. Or Jake's story of
getting in right at the end of the game because
the the ref saw him. I wanted somebody to hear that,
to say, you know what? That that makes me feel
really good. Then how can I do that for somebody else?
So let's let's ideate on that a little bit. Who
is it in your life who needs some encouragement, who
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may not get it in any other place than you
giving it today or over the weekend. Think about that
person and listen to the rest of our conversation. Or
call us (877) 548-3675. Lindy is in Florida. Hi, Lindy. Why
did you call today? And now I don't hear Lindy.
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Do you hear Ryan? It's your. It's your birthday call.
All right. But Lindy on hold. And we'll go to
Tom in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Hey, Tom. How you doing today?
S10 (30:45):
Hey, Chris. I'm doing great. How about you?
S1 (30:47):
I'm better because you called. I'm ready to hear your story.
S10 (30:52):
Okay. Uh, okay. Uh, I was, uh, in a parking
lot next to a car. Another car at the Chattanooga
Bible Institute. Uh, sort of a local version of Moody
and and anyway, uh, at the library, and this little
boy came out with his mother, and when he got
in their car, he let the door slam and hit
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mine fairly hard, but it didn't really matter. My car
was older, but if it had been brand new, it
wouldn't really mattered anyway. His mom came around and was
looking at it and said a few words to him,
and it was talking about getting my car fixed and
all this, and I pointed it out to her. No damage.
And I looked at the kid and he was sitting
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in the back seat, looking real embarrassed and about to cry.
So I said something like, you know, listen, kid, this
stuff happens to everybody all through life. Everybody makes mistakes.
And I said, you didn't do anything wrong. And, you know,
don't start getting down on yourself about it. And I
and his mother said, yeah, that's right, son. And she
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was still wanting me to have my car inspected. And
she said, well, you at least call my husband and
tell him what what happened? And I and I said, well,
if you insist, I will call him, but there's nothing wrong.
So when I called that afternoon, before I called, I
thought about things where my dad had a chance to
encourage me and didn't do it. And, um, so when
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I got the father on the phone, I said, you know,
I don't want to butt into your family affairs, but
I'd like, if you don't mind, I'd like to offer
a suggestion. And I said he said, that's okay. So
I said, well, you know, my dad told me he
loved me, but he didn't make it clear that he
actually liked me. And that would have meant a lot
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to me if he would have made that clear to me,
because I didn't realize he did until, uh, I was
in high school. I said, you know, make sure he
knows you're proud of him and that that you're the
boy he would want to be your son, no matter
who he had to pick from or you had to
pick from. And he said, I sure will do that.
And it made me feel like $1 million to get
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to do that, because I could tell talking to him
that he was taking it seriously. The father was, you know,
and the mother, too.
S1 (33:05):
Well, it also gave you the opportunity to take the
wound that you had, you know, and and turned that
wound into a place of healing for somebody else. Tom
and we talk about that a lot here at the
back fence that God loves to do that, doesn't he?
S10 (33:21):
Sure does. It's amazing how often he does that.
S9 (33:24):
Yeah.
S1 (33:26):
So what do you got going on this weekend?
S10 (33:29):
I'm going to listen to Open Line, and I'm going
to listen to, uh, Ed Stetzer live. And, uh, other
than that, I'm just going to spend some time with
friends and. And the Lord.
S9 (33:40):
Good for you.
S1 (33:41):
And, uh, and those are all programs on Saturday mornings
on Moody Radio. And if you don't listen, you can
listen online. Listen to Michael Redlick, uh, on open line.
Two hours of Bible questions. What? I know you don't
get the two Michaels. They're coming. Um, Easter week, you know,
on on Maundy Thursday, uh, the two Michaels are going
to be here on the program. So we're going to
talk about that. Tom, God bless you. Thanks for sharing
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your heart today at the back fence.
S9 (34:05):
By.
S1 (34:06):
Lindy is there. And now she's got her phone off
of mute. That's what the problem was, wasn't it, wasn't it, Lindy?
S11 (34:13):
Yeah. That's right. That's right.
S9 (34:15):
I'll get you every time.
S11 (34:17):
Yep, yep.
S1 (34:20):
So why did you think that video? Why did it
touch a nerve with so many people?
S11 (34:25):
Um. Well, I my first thought is that maybe it's
because of humility, um, that, you know, the players or
whoever is in those kind of videos. Um, I just
say that when, when you mentioned, um, the other videos
as well, like the girl who was taken from base
to base, I think that it takes humility to see
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and and love to look around and see who's in need. Um,
it really does take love and humility, um, to look
around and see those people and point them out and
be like, yes, um, uplift them. They need that. Uplifting. Yes.
S9 (35:05):
Well, it.
S1 (35:05):
Takes humility to to realize I can't do this on
my own.
S9 (35:10):
Uh, with.
S1 (35:11):
The young woman who was the softball player. Like, she
couldn't she couldn't walk. Literally. She could not walk. She
had to have help. And here is Jaycee, you know,
sitting there in front of the scorer's table. He can't
get in unless somebody makes a basket and they, you know,
or they call time out, you know, and that's what
the the ref did. So you're absolutely right. Part of
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it is the need. And then there is that humility
that is mixed in there. And you know, what I
loved about Jaycee is that he was vulnerable enough with
us to say I didn't want to appear weak. You know,
I didn't want to appear like, this is the last
minute of the game, and I haven't played all game,
you know, and they're just letting me in type of thing.
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I didn't want that. And then he realized, no, but
this is where God had him right then to just
go just go and play. And like the ref said
to him, I just there's so much about that. And, uh,
and I think what you have said to us is
so true. Look for those who need that encouragement. And
you know what I think, Lindy? Um, there are a
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lot of people who don't seem like they need it,
who really do, who seem very self-sufficient, who seem very strong.
You know, maybe the boss who never gives you the compliment.
Maybe the boss at work needs somebody to say to
him or her. I appreciate the way you do that.
What do you think about that?
S11 (36:36):
I absolutely agree, that's why. That's why I say love
really does search around to see who's in need. Because
it's not obvious. And most people are going to hide
their need because of pride or because of, you know,
they want to be they want to be dignified in
a sense and being in need. Um, you know, maybe
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some people would see it as undignified. But, you know,
as followers of Christ, we see it as an opportunity
to give to one another, to uplift one another, encourage
one another. And we know everyone's in need. So yeah
that's that's that's great. Definitely the people there's definitely people
hidden even especially people in authority that need encouragement, that.
S9 (37:24):
Somebody need.
S1 (37:24):
To hear, that somebody needed to have your phone off
of mute. And for you.
S9 (37:30):
To.
S1 (37:31):
Say that because there's somebody in their life who seems very,
very strong and self-sufficient and they don't need this. They
got the they appear to have the world by the tail.
And what you just said is going to encourage someone
else to encourage them. Thank you for calling and taking
the time to do that. I really appreciate it. Um,
we're going to take our final break here. Before we
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do that, as we talk about this viral video and
people seeing us, there are people who see the struggle
that's going on every day. Carenet does that. They see
the fear in the eyes of the women and the
men who are dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. They see
it because many of them have been there, like the
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you know, I wonder if the ref ever had that
happen to him. When he was younger, he was trying
to get into the game and wasn't into the game,
or he didn't play very much. I wonder we're going
to have to get Ahold of him and find out.
I know that in the case of Cornette, the CEO
and president of Cornette, Rolland Warren, he is doing what
he is doing and has that group doing this because
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of the wound in his own life. Every day they
help women and men choose life instead of abortion. And
he wrote about that wound in a book called The
Alternative to Abortion Why We Must Be Pro Abundant Life.
He tells a lot of hope stories, his own and
others to show the difference that abundant life can make.
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And when someone sees someone with a need, just like
Lindy just said, go to Chris fabry.org, click the Green
Care Net link and you'll find out more about that book.
I believe that it's for such a time as this,
this cultural moment, that we need a book like The
Alternative to Abortion. Go to Chris Fabriclive. Org click that
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green Care net link and you can find out more
more of your calls straight ahead here on Chris Avery Live.
S9 (39:34):
Hey, if this.
S1 (39:34):
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here's Leah in Chicago. Leah why did you call today?
S12 (41:15):
Hey, Chris, I was just thinking about, um, this whole
conversation and letting people be seen. And I wanted to
make a comment that I, I live in downtown Chicago,
and there's a lot of homeless people, people sitting on
the sidewalk, people begging, requesting money. And some years ago,
I made a point of, even if I don't give
them anything, which many times I don't, I make eye
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contact and I smile and nod. And several of those
people have even responded to me with thanks. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Even though I have not given
them a dime. And so most people and I used
to do this as well, avert my eyes. But, uh,
and most people do. But I make a point of
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making eye contact and looking and smiling and nodding my head. And,
you know, sometimes it seems like that's better than even
the dime or a quarter or a dollar I would
have given.
S9 (42:09):
Yes.
S1 (42:09):
I think seeing that that's worth it right there, because
I feel that I do the same thing. I'll pull
up to a light. I live in Tucson. It's the same,
same type of thing. A little warmer here, you know,
especially in the summertime. But the first thing you know,
I look at the radio or I look down beside
me here so that I don't have to see the
longing or the, you know, what they're going to be
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holding out. And you're right. You affirm their humanity simply
by looking and nodding. And I get it. You know,
if you don't want to encourage the panhandling and all
of that, I get that. But there's still an opportunity
to see the image of God in that person, right?
S12 (42:51):
Absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. And some have responded even more favorably
than when I do give them something. They're like, thank you,
thank you, thank you. And their smile and they they
appreciate it.
S1 (43:03):
That's what everybody is looking for. Everybody is convinced of this.
And the times when I have been most encouraged in
my own life have been when someone has seen my child,
you know, my child. And we have nine of them.
So there have been a lot of opportunities for this.
But when somebody saw the uniqueness of my child, a teacher,
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a grocery store clerk, I've told this story before about
adult children is your son, you know, say his name,
that your son is so kind and that just, you know,
for you to see that I see it, you know,
I know it. But for somebody else to see that
is a real encouragement. Um, Joanna is up next. Joanna,
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what did you want to say today before we close?
S13 (43:51):
Well, hi. Thanks for having me on. I just wanted
to tell you a quick story. I'm the youngest of seven. And, um,
our neighbor, who was across the creek from us, always
took notice of me as a child and just encouraged me.
And then later, you know, I, I moved out of house,
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got married, had kids, and later in life moved back
to my hometown and we're still friends. And she still
encourages me today. And because of her encouragement, I'm able
to reach out to other young women who, you know,
struggle with life or with kids or whatever, and encourage
them and let them know, hey, you're seen and you're valued,
(44:35):
and God loves you and I love you. And just
kind of and, you know, lift them up.
S9 (44:40):
Yes.
S1 (44:41):
Priming the pump, that's what they call it. Well, not
where I'm from. The primal pump. You pour a little
bit of water in there, and then it causes that
other water to come up. That is so good. And
a great way to end the program today. Joanna, thanks
for your call. I was going through the book of John,
you know, as we head toward Holy Week and what
Jesus did for us. And I thought, I'm just going
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to look at all the places where Jesus saw or
somebody else saw. John the Baptist saw Jesus and said,
Here's the Lamb of God who takes away the sin
of the world. He saw him. When Jesus saw Peter,
he says, you are Simon, son of John. You will
be called Cephas, which means rock. Jesus saw Peter. Jesus
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saw Nathanael here as a true Israelite. Jesus, of course,
saw Nicodemus and saw deeper that he needed to be
born from above. Born again. Jesus saw the Samaritan woman
at the well. He saw the paralytic sick for 38 years.
When Jesus saw him lying there, he said, do you
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want to get well? Jesus noticed a huge crowd coming
toward them. He saw their hunger. He he saw the
woman caught in adultery, As he was passing by, he
saw a blind man from birth. Who is it in
your life? Like Tom was saying, you know, with the
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little kid banging the car door, who is it in
your life that you see but you haven't that that
you've you've wanted to reach into their life and say
something encouraging and you've you've held back maybe today, maybe
this weekend, or maybe there's somebody that you've never seen.
Maybe it'll be a stranger and you see a mom
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with kids in the store and they're having she's having
a little hard time and you say an encouraging word, oh,
what might happen through this conversation? Big thanks to J.C. Shearer,
junior and his family for coming on the program. Thank you.
Chris Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a
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The ref saw him. The ref was running down the
court with about a minute left on the clock, and
he saw number ten in front of the scorer's table.
And in those few moments he understood. Here's number ten
trying to get in the game. He hasn't been in
the game the whole game. This is his chance. So
what does the ref do? He finds a wall, a
wet spot on the floor and blows his whistle. And
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in comes number ten. That's what the video showed at
the end of the game between Oregon and Liberty. But
there is much more to this story. And today on
Chris Fabry Live, you're going to hear from number ten.
You will discover some family members of his. And then
it's your turn to tell me when you've been seen
or when you saw someone else like that ref did.
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Your story might encourage somebody else today. Let's get started. First,
a thank you to our team, Ryan Mcconahay doing all
things technical. Trisha is our producer. Lisa is in the
chair today. Anthony will be answering your calls. And since
it's Friday. Oh, that's right, it's time for the fabulous
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For the youth pastor who says, hey, you have a
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Give a sigh for the dad who sees the inner
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I've been a fan of the NCAA tournament for a long,
long time, and I'm looking at stories. Up pops a
video of a ref who stops the game with about
a minute left in the contest between the flames and
the ducks. And on the sideline is number ten, sitting
in front of the scorers table, ready to go in.
But he couldn't go in until play stopped. Here's what
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it sounded like on the CBS broadcast.
S2 (02:49):
These guys don't know if they'll get time in the
NCAA tournament.
S3 (02:53):
I like that Roger just stopped the game to get
the sub in. Let my man get in here to
let him get his opportunity to play. That's right.
S2 (03:01):
Jake Scheyer, junior.
S1 (03:05):
So the ref, Roger Ayers, paused at the hardwood floor.
He finds a wet spot that isn't there. He blows
the whistle, he stops the play, and in comes number ten.
Ladies and gentlemen, here he is, number ten, Jake Scherer, junior. Jake,
how you doing today?
S4 (03:23):
I am doing well, sir. How about yourself?
S1 (03:25):
I'm doing great. And I love this. I when I
saw this, my my heart just. I started tearing up
because I've been there. Uh, when somebody, you know, wanting
to get in and not being able to get in
and then somebody sees you. So I want you to
talk about, first of all, talk about the ref. Do
you know him?
S4 (03:45):
Uh, so he first of all, let me start by
saying thank you, Mr. Chris, for having me on on
this radio show. It's an honor. Moody is deep in
the roots of my family. So I appreciate you being
able to reach out to me and have this conversation.
But I have met the ref before. He has ref
some of our games at Liberty University and so I've
met him a couple times, said hello, all the things,
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but you know nothing like we have just a great relationship,
just more of a player ref. He's cool with our
team relationship.
S1 (04:12):
Yes. So did it surprise you when? When he did that?
S4 (04:18):
It did. It really did. Because there was no inkling
that he was going to do something. Like he was
just running down the court regular. And I just kind
of was just not paying attention that much. And so
then when he stopped, just like all of a sudden,
it just kind of like confused me. I was like,
what is he doing? Yes.
S1 (04:34):
And he he shook your hand when you stood up to.
That usually doesn't happen, does it?
S4 (04:39):
No, it usually doesn't. And he said something really cool
when he did it. He shook my hand and was like.
He was like, this is something that he said, I
got you, buddy. And that's why I started laughing. And
he was like, this is something you remember for the
rest of your life, bro. Go have fun. And so
he really, really, really, really good, dude.
S1 (04:56):
Yeah. Well, and what I saw, you know, I'm I'm
watching it knowing what's going to happen. You know, the
replay focusing on him because he's looking over to make
sure that everything with nobody's running for the basket, nobody's
shooting or anything. Everything is, is basically, you know, stopped,
not stop. But it's there's no special thing that's happening.
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And that's when he blows his whistle. So it's like
you hear all these things about referees and how they
insert themselves into the game. You know, in football, basketball,
whatever it is, this is a time when he inserted
himself into this. But it was just so life giving
to me. Is that the way you felt?
S4 (05:37):
Um, you know, in the moment directly, I was kind
of thinking, that's hilarious. That's cool. Okay. Like, let me
go in and let me do what I need to do.
So in the moment, I didn't even really get to
reflect on how cool of a moment it was, because
now I'm in the heat of getting in the game.
And so I didn't even think about it that much.
But looking back on it in that perspective, I got
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to think, oh man, that was super cool that he
did that. And I really want to see him again,
which I know I will because he'll be at our
gym at some point. But I really want to thank him,
be like, that was so cool.
S1 (06:08):
Had you played at all that game?
S4 (06:10):
That game? No, I had not played a single second
until until that moment.
S1 (06:15):
How about this season? Because the flames had a really
good season. I think you won something like 28 games. Uh, yeah. 20. Yeah.
S5 (06:22):
Um, yeah, we had an extremely good season.
S4 (06:24):
I played in, uh, multiple games before then, but not
any in the in in that game particular. But I
played in multiple before.
S5 (06:33):
Yeah.
S1 (06:34):
So when this went viral then and everybody started seeing it.
What did you think about that man okay.
S4 (06:41):
So quick and funny story. So I got sent this
video after the game. My brother sent it to me
and was like, yo dude, look at this. And this
is like 20, 25 minutes after the game is over.
So I'm still in the heat of the loss and
I'm like, like, not in the mood. And so he
doesn't care as my brother of course. And so he
says to me and it has like 15,000 likes already.
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And I don't know how many views at the time,
but I was like a little bit upset. I'm not
going to lie to you because it was like a
personal pride thing. It was like, oh, this kind of
kid who never plays got the ref stops so he
could come in the game. And, you know, it's just
this cool moment. So I kind of felt a little,
a little ways about that because, you know, I was
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my pride. I was like, no, I can whoop too.
This is not you know, it's not a thing where
everybody needs to make a big deal out of it,
if that makes sense. And so I got sent it.
I was a little upset that it had that many
likes in that short amount of time. But, you know,
I was like, whatever. It's March Madness. They're gonna post
so many more videos after this that everybody's going to
forget about it, so nobody cares. So I just let
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it go. And then the next morning, I woke up
and had like 3.5 million views and I was like, okay, great.
So nobody's forgetting about it. And so, um, right then
and there, I was like, you know what? This is dumb.
I'm just going to close my phone. I mean, at
this point, I mean, I've had upwards of 20, 25
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people have sent me this video and I'm getting annoyed
and I'm like, okay, I don't like this at all.
This is what I'm thinking at the time. Like, I
don't like this at all. Um, not because it wasn't
a cool moment. I thought it was a great moment.
I just think that now it puts it makes me
look bad in ways. It's a personal thing. And so
I just was like, you know what? Yeah, I'm just not.
I'm just gonna forget this. I'm gonna delete it off
my phone. I'm not going to look at the video anymore.
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And I just hope that it blows over sometime soon.
That was that was. Those were my immediate thoughts.
S1 (08:34):
But that changed then. What changed?
S5 (08:36):
Yep. That that.
S4 (08:37):
Definitely changed. So I remember, um, the day after the game,
it was afternoon. I was sitting in my hotel room
by myself, just chilling. And, um, I remember I was
just kind of sitting there and I was thinking about
the situation a little bit. And, um, the Lord kind
of I heard him so clearly, and that's one of
(08:59):
the few times that I actually have, um, heard him
this clearly in like and know what you need to do.
So I was sitting there and all of a sudden
this wave of change kind of came over my, uh,
my mind about the perspective of the situation. And immediately
the Lord kind of placed on my heart like, man,
there has been 3.5 million people who have seen this
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video on this one platform at this now, at this time,
about three other platforms that have posted it as well,
or three other accounts, I should say. And so, um,
there's been like 3.5 million on one video and probably
many millions in the other videos who have seen this video, like,
have seen this. And so, um, immediately he was like,
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instead of admiring in your own personal pride, instead of
admiring your own like circumstance or whatever. However you view
the situation. How can you use it for my glory instead?
And so in that moment I was like, yo. Like
I'm tripping. I like 3.5 million people are like looking
at a video that I'm in. How can I use
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this for God's glory? So immediately I went under all
the posts. I think it was about four of them
on Instagram. And I commented, I didn't want to do this,
but I had a direct disobedience at that point. If
I didn't, um, I commented on that video. Hey that's me.
The ref is so cool for doing that. Whatever. Whatever.
Then I put dot dot dot. Hey, just so you know,
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Jesus Christ is the way to life. Just in case
any of y'all were wondering, I put that on that
same comment on every single platform and video. And I mean,
after that, it probably got like 3 or 4 million
more views on the video. And so it was so cool. Like,
I mean, people responded to it good and bad, obviously. Uh,
but the fact that that many people had the opportunity
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to see it and see Jesus Christ's name. Even that
little thing can. God can use that to just work
miracles in people's lives and say whatever God chooses to
do with it. I was just glad that he gave
me that thought and that inclination to use the platform,
even if I don't like it for his glory, because
God can use anything for his glory. So that's kind
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of how I. And then after that situation, I loved it.
I was like, man, I use it for God's glory. Like,
that feels great. So that's how I feel about it now.
But that was kind of the shift and change of
the trajectory of how I went from, oh, I hate
this video to, um, man, this is actually the best
video that ever happened to me.
S1 (11:22):
Don't you love that? That's the voice of number ten JC,
whose video went viral. Now you have to hear the
rest of the story. You have to hear what his
uncle said to him. You have to hear about his
mother and his grandfather if you haven't put it together yet.
But before we get to that, we'll take a break.
And I have a question for you. Why do these
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videos go viral. Why did that ref's actions strike such
a nerve with sports fans or people who aren't even
sports fans? You don't care about the NCAA Championship and
the Final Four and all that. Why did why did
it strike a nerve with you? And why are we
talking about it today? What do you think? Here's the number. 87754836758775483675.
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What happened in that video that reaches inside the heart?
That makes us want to know a little bit more.
And that's what we're going to do here in a minute,
because Jake is going to answer a couple more questions.
And then we're going to talk about the power of
seeing others. But very first, why that viral video go viral.
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Give me your opinion. I want to hear from you
right now. Your answer might help somebody else. 675. Hey,
(12:54):
when you call today, if you get on the air,
make sure you wish Brian McConaughey a happy birthday. Today
is his birthday. Yay! I forgot to say that during
the first segment. Okay, so you've heard a little bit
of Jake Scherer Jr and you heard us talk about
the video. You've had time to go and watch the video.
If you haven't seen it. Now I want to know
why is that? Why? Why does that strike a chord?
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Why does it make us want to respond to what
happened there on the court? What the ref did for me.
What happened in immediately? As soon as I saw it.
We used to do these kinds of programs. We'd. We'd
see something on the video. There was a very first
time that the in the first season, first few months
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of this program, there was a female softball player who
hit a ball over the fence, and as she was
rounding first, she had a knee injury. I think she
tore a ligament and she fell down. And if she
had gotten help from those on her own team, it
would have just been a single. They can't help her.
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But the other team asks, well, can we help her?
And they pick her up and they let her touch
her good foot. You know, her good leg on second base,
on third base and on home. And everybody claps. And
I tracked down the coach, you know. What did that
do to you? There's something about those kinds of videos,
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those human videos. And for me it was the ref.
Seeing Jayce over there hadn't played all game. Less than
a minute to go. This is his chance. And he
blows the whistle. So you tell me, what do you think?
I've seen the videos that Steve Hartman does. He does
a real good job. I think he's with CBS. You know,
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the kid who's the manager of the team and all
year and never, never suits up. And then the last game,
he suits up and he hits like 53 pointers or
something like that. There's something about those videos. So call me.
Tell me what you think. (877) 548-3675. But before we get
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to your calls. Well, I just go to Jeannie. I
want to hear what Jeannie has to say. Jeannie. Go ahead.
Tell me what you think.
S6 (15:10):
Um, can you hear me?
S1 (15:12):
I sure can.
S6 (15:14):
Okay, great. Um, I was just, uh, mentioning the first
thought that came to my mind when that question was
put out there was that we are so hungry for
kindness anymore. The way our, you know, our society has
been in the past few years, it's like these, you know,
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to see someone In authority, step out and just be
kind to another human being that that just really touches
people's hearts. You know, we we need that. We're we're
starving for that. I think and I.
S1 (15:53):
Think you're absolutely right that we are hungry for that.
And you know what it does, Jeannie? It it allows
us to then ask the question, in what ways can
I do the same kind of thing for somebody else
that nobody's going to see? You know, nobody's got a camera.
Who's going to see what you're going to do? Um,
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it stokes kindness. Um, produces kindness in others, don't you think?
S6 (16:22):
Oh, definitely. Yes. Yes, I totally agree.
S1 (16:27):
God bless you, Jeannie. Thank you for calling in here today.
S7 (16:30):
All right.
S1 (16:31):
You have a great day. Um, while you think about that,
and we'll take some more of your calls here. And
then I want to get to the question of when
has someone seen you like the ref saw? Jake, I
want you to hear more about what happened. You don't
know Jake's family lineage. There was something that his uncle
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said to him, and in just a few more minutes
of conversation, we will reveal all. So here is Jake.
He wanted to add something to the story.
S5 (17:05):
Probably a couple.
S4 (17:06):
Of days after my uncle. He calls me and he's like,
you know what? I want to point something out to
you just in case you haven't thought about it, which
he said, you may have, but this is what I
want to point out to you. And then he started
talking about God's sovereignty, and he started talking about how
everything that God does, nothing slips through the cracks of
his of his fingers. He holds everything. His whole. The
whole world in his hands. And so if nothing slips
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through the cracks, he put you in that situation and
the ref in that situation to go viral on that
video on multiple platforms, because he probably knew that.
S5 (17:40):
You.
S4 (17:41):
Would be the person to, um, transform it for God's glory.
And so he's like, I don't want you to forsake
the fact that he had to put that ref in
that game in that spot. Make sure that you got
in the game during that time, in that in that
situation where the play had to be conformed so elegantly
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for Rodgers to stop the game, for you to go in,
for the camera to be right there pointing at you guys,
for them to recognize what happened, for the video to
get posted on those things and go viral. He did
all of that and put you in that situation. That's
if that's not God's sovereignty. I don't know what it is.
And so that was another lesson. I was like, wow. Yep.
You're correct. God is good. God is good. Basically.
S1 (18:24):
Okay, I one more question for you, Jake.
S5 (18:27):
Yes, sir.
S1 (18:28):
I saw your last name, Shearer, and I thought, well,
I know Priscilla Cela shiver. I mean, I've we've had
conversations and, you know, she's done the Kendrick brothers movies
and everything. Well, there's probably a lot of shi'as in
the world. Uh, you know her, right?
S5 (18:47):
Oh, yeah.
S4 (18:48):
Yeah. And just a little bit not not like super, super. Well, but,
like a little bit. No, I'm just saying that that
is my wonderful mother.
S1 (18:57):
And when you mentioned your uncle just now, who is that?
S4 (19:01):
Uh, that was Uncle Jonathan. Jonathan.
S1 (19:03):
Jonathan. Okay. So Jonathan was in the forge, right?
S5 (19:08):
He was. He was? Yeah. He was.
S1 (19:10):
Uh, so it all comes together here, folks. J.C. Shearer, junior. Uh,
is JC senior. Is his dad his grandfather's Tony Evans. Right?
S4 (19:22):
Yes, sir. That is it. That's a family tree.
S5 (19:25):
What?
S1 (19:27):
What did Tony say about that play? Did he. Did
he reach out to you?
S4 (19:31):
You know, I don't. I did kind of tell him
the situation a little bit, you know. He didn't say
much about it. As far as the thing, I just
kind of let let him know, like my thoughts about, like,
what happened. And you know, how it was after I
commented on all the posts and stuff. So nothing much.
But he was just, you know, again affirmed. Yep, God
is good, basically. But, you know, that's what he says
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every time we're on the phone.
S1 (19:54):
And God is sovereign and he he has you in
this place. And and what did your mom say about
all of this? What did she say?
S4 (20:01):
You know, she was in Seattle with me. Her and
my brother were in Seattle. And so she got the
raw reaction of how I felt initially because I went
to her room immediately and I was like, this is dumb.
I hate this. And so, um, she again was like,
it's not that bad. You know, being a mom, it's
not that bad. But after everything that happened, she was
basically just talking about how proud she was that I
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was able to do that and kind of, you know,
recognize what I could do with that video for God's glory.
So she was a supporter throughout the whole way through.
So thanks, mom. Appreciate that.
S1 (20:33):
Amen. Amen. Well, and I can I can feel that.
And I'll tell you this. You know, I remember when
she was doing the movie The Forge and what she
was struggling with, with her on screen son, you know,
wasn't getting his life in gear. There had to have
been something with you and your brother about, you know,
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I want him to get on the stick. You know,
I want him to go and do this. She probably
reached inside and was able to pull from some of
the emotion of that and doing that, that part and
that film.
S7 (21:05):
Oh, but.
S1 (21:06):
You I can just tell how and from your dad
the email that I went back and forth with him,
I can tell how proud they are of you.
S4 (21:14):
Oh, yeah. They, they, um, they they have expressed how
proud they are of me a couple of times and,
you know, it it kind of gets it a little
bit like, okay, mom. Okay, dad. Like, I get it.
You're gonna be proud of your son regardless. But, like,
I know they truly mean it. And it really does
mean a lot for me. And people don't realize in
that movie when my mom was, you know, feeling like
the way about the sun and kind of, you know, started,
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you know, like you saw her mad, you know, that
I looked at that movie and I was like, that's
not acting. That is serious. That she did not. That
wasn't mom. She didn't have to act in that movie
because that all happened. Every single part of that happened.
And so I just want to put that out there
that that was not acting. She but again, she's a
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great mother. Of course.
S7 (21:57):
Yeah.
S1 (21:58):
You know, my favorite scene though, of of her and
her anger comes off really so real is when her
son in the movie asks to borrow her car and
he goes off and he loses track of time, and
he's playing, playing ball, and he comes late, and she
had something else to do. And and, you know, she
lets him have it in the front seat of that car.
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So you're saying that that, that that might have happened
at some point.
S4 (22:23):
Oh oh did it happen. Oh, that that was I
was like deja vu almost. That's what it felt like that.
I mean, it couldn't get more real than that.
S7 (22:33):
So are you are.
S1 (22:34):
You done with school then, Jake? Are you what? What
year are you at? Liberty?
S4 (22:39):
Uh, I am a junior. I will be going into
my senior year at Liberty University. So I still have
another year playing basketball. Um, and so I'll still be
there for another year.
S1 (22:50):
You are going to get on that court. You're going
to you. I'm not. I'm not a prophet or I
don't play one on the radio, but I can just
tell there's something special that's going to happen this next season,
don't you think?
S4 (23:02):
I agree, I agree. We have such a great team,
a great staff with coach McKay. And you know, like we,
we we really do play for God. We don't play
for the applause of man or the audience of anything.
And so I'm really excited about what we're going to
do as a team and how I can contribute to that, uh,
to use it for God's glory.
S1 (23:20):
JC thanks for sharing your heart and especially that that
shift in you. You didn't have to tell anybody about that.
That was an internal thing. but that's a part of
the story. So thanks being for being vulnerable with that today.
S4 (23:32):
Oh, absolutely. It's my pleasure. I hope it impacts and
blesses somebody.
S7 (23:37):
It was so good to.
S1 (23:38):
Catch up with JC Shirer Jr. I had no idea.
I mean, I saw the name Shirer and I thought, well,
I know Priscilla Shirer, but there's probably a lot of
shirer's in the world, right? And there he was. And
her mom, his mom was there at the game. All right,
so you've heard the back story. You've heard how he
kind of ah, I don't I didn't want that to
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go viral. But here it is. We are stewards of
the events of our lives. And when you surrender those,
when you submit them to him, something good will happen
from that. That's one of the things that I take
away from that story. How about you? I don't have
time to be fair to anybody on the phone, so
I'm going to do that after we take a break.
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But let me give you the number (877) 548-3675. Why did
that story hit a nerve with so many people and
they wanted to see it? That's the first question. And
then we're going to make a shift. And that is
when has somebody seen you? When has someone noticed you?
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And this could be, uh, you know, it could be
a family member. It could be a parent, it could
be a teacher, it could be somebody I had a
guest on a couple of days ago, and he said
it was another pastor who saw something in me. I
might play that for you, but I want to hear
when someone has seen you. Or if this is true,
that kindness begets more kindness. Love stimulates love. Maybe you
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saw somebody else. Maybe you noticed somebody. You said something
to them and your words or your actions toward them, uh,
made them. It's almost like when you pet a cat,
you know, when you pet a cat and it's on
the back and its back goes up. That's the way
people respond to you seeing them and noticing them. So
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here's the number. (877) 548-3675. Why did that video go viral?
Number one why did you respond to it the way
you did? And number two, when has someone seen you
or when have you seen somebody else? (877) 548-3675. More straight
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ahead on Moody Radio. As soon as I saw this story,
I thought that's the perfect Friday topic for Chris Fabry.
Live on the day before the Final Four, no less.
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So one question is why did that video go viral?
The other is, when is somebody seen you or when
have you seen someone else? And what did it do inside?
Marci is on the line. She's on her way to
a wedding I hear in Indiana somewhere in Indiana. Marcy.
Thanks for calling in here today. Tell me why you called.
S8 (26:28):
Oh, let me get you up. Oh, I'm so sorry.
Let me get to my handset. I'm so sorry.
S1 (26:32):
That's all right. We got time. We. Yeah.
S8 (26:36):
My daughter. My daughter's trying to call and say. Mom,
where are you? And I don't know how to get you.
S9 (26:43):
Hang up on her.
S1 (26:44):
Are you late for the wedding?
S8 (26:47):
No, it starts at four.
S9 (26:49):
Okay. All right. You got time.
S8 (26:51):
Hang up. Can you. Can you hear me? Okay.
S1 (26:53):
Yes, I can. We can hear you. We can hear you. Fine.
So you just tell me why. Why did you call?
Who saw you?
S8 (27:00):
I, um, haven't. Well, I considered a menial job at
a university where I. One day I could be picking
up trash. Uh, everything from trash to planting flowers. And, um,
it's happened more than once. When I'm having a bad day, someone,
usually a student, will just stop and thank me. And
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I almost tear up every time because I feel like
my job isn't noticed, you know? And so anyway, I
can't name a specific person, but it's usually been a student.
And it's been when I think, father, God knows I
just need that. Um, I just need that to be seen.
I need to be seen.
S1 (27:38):
So what happens on the inside when somebody says that?
What what what do you feel inside?
S8 (27:45):
Um. Encouraged that what I do matters. I think in that, um,
I think we all want to be appreciated, you know? Um,
I did have a professional job 20 plus years ago
when I'd win awards and be noticed. Well, that all
that all changed when I went home to be a mom.
And so when I went back to the working world, um,
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that young man mentioned his pride. Uh, this job really
takes my pride to a to where it should be. Um,
I can take pride in my work, but I'm not
going to get accolades. I'm not going to get awards
I used to. sew for somebody just to thank me.
Means the world.
S1 (28:25):
I want to echo what those students have said to you. Um,
because I really. I don't think there are any menial jobs.
All work is, you know, whatever you do, work at
it with all your heart. It's not the thing that
you do. It's how you do what you do. And
it sounds like your heart is in it. But it
can get hard, especially if you don't get noticed that often.
(28:47):
So I get exactly what you're saying, and I'm so
glad that there were those, especially young people, because young
people get, you know, thrown shade at a lot these
days for not seeing other people. And it's like, let
the little child lead or let the teenager or the
young person let them lead us. Because I can hear
in your voice what that meant to you.
S8 (29:09):
Absolutely, absolutely. And I have to thank the young man
who took my call because he thanked me.
S9 (29:16):
And he found.
S8 (29:17):
Out what I did. He goes, thank you. And I said, well,
when you see somebody there at Moody doing what I do,
give them a shout out.
S9 (29:23):
And he said he would. So bingo. That's all.
S1 (29:25):
That's exactly what I wanted to happen. Okay. Marcy, you
drive carefully. Get Ahold of your daughter. But that's exactly
what I wanted to happen. I wanted somebody you know.
And I can't control this, though I like to. I
wanted somebody to hear a story like Marcy's or a story,
or even Anthony, who answered the call and said, hey,
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thank you for what you're doing. Or Jake's story of
getting in right at the end of the game because
the the ref saw him. I wanted somebody to hear that,
to say, you know what? That that makes me feel
really good. Then how can I do that for somebody else?
So let's let's ideate on that a little bit. Who
is it in your life who needs some encouragement, who
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may not get it in any other place than you
giving it today or over the weekend. Think about that
person and listen to the rest of our conversation. Or
call us (877) 548-3675. Lindy is in Florida. Hi, Lindy. Why
did you call today? And now I don't hear Lindy.
(30:35):
Do you hear Ryan? It's your. It's your birthday call.
All right. But Lindy on hold. And we'll go to
Tom in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Hey, Tom. How you doing today?
S10 (30:45):
Hey, Chris. I'm doing great. How about you?
S1 (30:47):
I'm better because you called. I'm ready to hear your story.
S10 (30:52):
Okay. Uh, okay. Uh, I was, uh, in a parking
lot next to a car. Another car at the Chattanooga
Bible Institute. Uh, sort of a local version of Moody
and and anyway, uh, at the library, and this little
boy came out with his mother, and when he got
in their car, he let the door slam and hit
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mine fairly hard, but it didn't really matter. My car
was older, but if it had been brand new, it
wouldn't really mattered anyway. His mom came around and was
looking at it and said a few words to him,
and it was talking about getting my car fixed and
all this, and I pointed it out to her. No damage.
And I looked at the kid and he was sitting
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in the back seat, looking real embarrassed and about to cry.
So I said something like, you know, listen, kid, this
stuff happens to everybody all through life. Everybody makes mistakes.
And I said, you didn't do anything wrong. And, you know,
don't start getting down on yourself about it. And I
and his mother said, yeah, that's right, son. And she
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was still wanting me to have my car inspected. And
she said, well, you at least call my husband and
tell him what what happened? And I and I said, well,
if you insist, I will call him, but there's nothing wrong.
So when I called that afternoon, before I called, I
thought about things where my dad had a chance to
encourage me and didn't do it. And, um, so when
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I got the father on the phone, I said, you know,
I don't want to butt into your family affairs, but
I'd like, if you don't mind, I'd like to offer
a suggestion. And I said he said, that's okay. So
I said, well, you know, my dad told me he
loved me, but he didn't make it clear that he
actually liked me. And that would have meant a lot
(32:38):
to me if he would have made that clear to me,
because I didn't realize he did until, uh, I was
in high school. I said, you know, make sure he
knows you're proud of him and that that you're the
boy he would want to be your son, no matter
who he had to pick from or you had to
pick from. And he said, I sure will do that.
And it made me feel like $1 million to get
(32:59):
to do that, because I could tell talking to him
that he was taking it seriously. The father was, you know,
and the mother, too.
S1 (33:05):
Well, it also gave you the opportunity to take the
wound that you had, you know, and and turned that
wound into a place of healing for somebody else. Tom
and we talk about that a lot here at the
back fence that God loves to do that, doesn't he?
S10 (33:21):
Sure does. It's amazing how often he does that.
S9 (33:24):
Yeah.
S1 (33:26):
So what do you got going on this weekend?
S10 (33:29):
I'm going to listen to Open Line, and I'm going
to listen to, uh, Ed Stetzer live. And, uh, other
than that, I'm just going to spend some time with
friends and. And the Lord.
S9 (33:40):
Good for you.
S1 (33:41):
And, uh, and those are all programs on Saturday mornings
on Moody Radio. And if you don't listen, you can
listen online. Listen to Michael Redlick, uh, on open line.
Two hours of Bible questions. What? I know you don't
get the two Michaels. They're coming. Um, Easter week, you know,
on on Maundy Thursday, uh, the two Michaels are going
to be here on the program. So we're going to
talk about that. Tom, God bless you. Thanks for sharing
(34:03):
your heart today at the back fence.
S9 (34:05):
By.
S1 (34:06):
Lindy is there. And now she's got her phone off
of mute. That's what the problem was, wasn't it, wasn't it, Lindy?
S11 (34:13):
Yeah. That's right. That's right.
S9 (34:15):
I'll get you every time.
S11 (34:17):
Yep, yep.
S1 (34:20):
So why did you think that video? Why did it
touch a nerve with so many people?
S11 (34:25):
Um. Well, I my first thought is that maybe it's
because of humility, um, that, you know, the players or
whoever is in those kind of videos. Um, I just
say that when, when you mentioned, um, the other videos
as well, like the girl who was taken from base
to base, I think that it takes humility to see
(34:48):
and and love to look around and see who's in need. Um,
it really does take love and humility, um, to look
around and see those people and point them out and
be like, yes, um, uplift them. They need that. Uplifting. Yes.
S9 (35:05):
Well, it.
S1 (35:05):
Takes humility to to realize I can't do this on
my own.
S9 (35:10):
Uh, with.
S1 (35:11):
The young woman who was the softball player. Like, she
couldn't she couldn't walk. Literally. She could not walk. She
had to have help. And here is Jaycee, you know,
sitting there in front of the scorer's table. He can't
get in unless somebody makes a basket and they, you know,
or they call time out, you know, and that's what
the the ref did. So you're absolutely right. Part of
(35:32):
it is the need. And then there is that humility
that is mixed in there. And you know, what I
loved about Jaycee is that he was vulnerable enough with
us to say I didn't want to appear weak. You know,
I didn't want to appear like, this is the last
minute of the game, and I haven't played all game,
you know, and they're just letting me in type of thing.
(35:54):
I didn't want that. And then he realized, no, but
this is where God had him right then to just
go just go and play. And like the ref said
to him, I just there's so much about that. And, uh,
and I think what you have said to us is
so true. Look for those who need that encouragement. And
you know what I think, Lindy? Um, there are a
(36:16):
lot of people who don't seem like they need it,
who really do, who seem very self-sufficient, who seem very strong.
You know, maybe the boss who never gives you the compliment.
Maybe the boss at work needs somebody to say to
him or her. I appreciate the way you do that.
What do you think about that?
S11 (36:36):
I absolutely agree, that's why. That's why I say love
really does search around to see who's in need. Because
it's not obvious. And most people are going to hide
their need because of pride or because of, you know,
they want to be they want to be dignified in
a sense and being in need. Um, you know, maybe
(37:00):
some people would see it as undignified. But, you know,
as followers of Christ, we see it as an opportunity
to give to one another, to uplift one another, encourage
one another. And we know everyone's in need. So yeah
that's that's that's great. Definitely the people there's definitely people
hidden even especially people in authority that need encouragement, that.
S9 (37:24):
Somebody need.
S1 (37:24):
To hear, that somebody needed to have your phone off
of mute. And for you.
S9 (37:30):
To.
S1 (37:31):
Say that because there's somebody in their life who seems very,
very strong and self-sufficient and they don't need this. They
got the they appear to have the world by the tail.
And what you just said is going to encourage someone
else to encourage them. Thank you for calling and taking
the time to do that. I really appreciate it. Um,
we're going to take our final break here. Before we
(37:51):
do that, as we talk about this viral video and
people seeing us, there are people who see the struggle
that's going on every day. Carenet does that. They see
the fear in the eyes of the women and the
men who are dealing with an unplanned pregnancy. They see
it because many of them have been there, like the
(38:11):
you know, I wonder if the ref ever had that
happen to him. When he was younger, he was trying
to get into the game and wasn't into the game,
or he didn't play very much. I wonder we're going
to have to get Ahold of him and find out.
I know that in the case of Cornette, the CEO
and president of Cornette, Rolland Warren, he is doing what
he is doing and has that group doing this because
(38:33):
of the wound in his own life. Every day they
help women and men choose life instead of abortion. And
he wrote about that wound in a book called The
Alternative to Abortion Why We Must Be Pro Abundant Life.
He tells a lot of hope stories, his own and
others to show the difference that abundant life can make.
(38:54):
And when someone sees someone with a need, just like
Lindy just said, go to Chris fabry.org, click the Green
Care Net link and you'll find out more about that book.
I believe that it's for such a time as this,
this cultural moment, that we need a book like The
Alternative to Abortion. Go to Chris Fabriclive. Org click that
(39:16):
green Care net link and you can find out more
more of your calls straight ahead here on Chris Avery Live.
S9 (39:34):
Hey, if this.
S1 (39:34):
Program stimulates you towards some kind of kindness love towards
somebody else, let us know that because we won't know
it unless you give us a call or click through
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here's Leah in Chicago. Leah why did you call today?
S12 (41:15):
Hey, Chris, I was just thinking about, um, this whole
conversation and letting people be seen. And I wanted to
make a comment that I, I live in downtown Chicago,
and there's a lot of homeless people, people sitting on
the sidewalk, people begging, requesting money. And some years ago,
I made a point of, even if I don't give
them anything, which many times I don't, I make eye
(41:38):
contact and I smile and nod. And several of those
people have even responded to me with thanks. Thank you.
Thank you so much. Even though I have not given
them a dime. And so most people and I used
to do this as well, avert my eyes. But, uh,
and most people do. But I make a point of
(41:58):
making eye contact and looking and smiling and nodding my head. And,
you know, sometimes it seems like that's better than even
the dime or a quarter or a dollar I would
have given.
S9 (42:09):
Yes.
S1 (42:09):
I think seeing that that's worth it right there, because
I feel that I do the same thing. I'll pull
up to a light. I live in Tucson. It's the same,
same type of thing. A little warmer here, you know,
especially in the summertime. But the first thing you know,
I look at the radio or I look down beside
me here so that I don't have to see the
longing or the, you know, what they're going to be
(42:32):
holding out. And you're right. You affirm their humanity simply
by looking and nodding. And I get it. You know,
if you don't want to encourage the panhandling and all
of that, I get that. But there's still an opportunity
to see the image of God in that person, right?
S12 (42:51):
Absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. And some have responded even more favorably
than when I do give them something. They're like, thank you,
thank you, thank you. And their smile and they they
appreciate it.
S1 (43:03):
That's what everybody is looking for. Everybody is convinced of this.
And the times when I have been most encouraged in
my own life have been when someone has seen my child,
you know, my child. And we have nine of them.
So there have been a lot of opportunities for this.
But when somebody saw the uniqueness of my child, a teacher,
(43:26):
a grocery store clerk, I've told this story before about
adult children is your son, you know, say his name,
that your son is so kind and that just, you know,
for you to see that I see it, you know,
I know it. But for somebody else to see that
is a real encouragement. Um, Joanna is up next. Joanna,
(43:47):
what did you want to say today before we close?
S13 (43:51):
Well, hi. Thanks for having me on. I just wanted
to tell you a quick story. I'm the youngest of seven. And, um,
our neighbor, who was across the creek from us, always
took notice of me as a child and just encouraged me.
And then later, you know, I, I moved out of house,
(44:12):
got married, had kids, and later in life moved back
to my hometown and we're still friends. And she still
encourages me today. And because of her encouragement, I'm able
to reach out to other young women who, you know,
struggle with life or with kids or whatever, and encourage
them and let them know, hey, you're seen and you're valued,
(44:35):
and God loves you and I love you. And just
kind of and, you know, lift them up.
S9 (44:40):
Yes.
S1 (44:41):
Priming the pump, that's what they call it. Well, not
where I'm from. The primal pump. You pour a little
bit of water in there, and then it causes that
other water to come up. That is so good. And
a great way to end the program today. Joanna, thanks
for your call. I was going through the book of John,
you know, as we head toward Holy Week and what
Jesus did for us. And I thought, I'm just going
(45:01):
to look at all the places where Jesus saw or
somebody else saw. John the Baptist saw Jesus and said,
Here's the Lamb of God who takes away the sin
of the world. He saw him. When Jesus saw Peter,
he says, you are Simon, son of John. You will
be called Cephas, which means rock. Jesus saw Peter. Jesus
(45:23):
saw Nathanael here as a true Israelite. Jesus, of course,
saw Nicodemus and saw deeper that he needed to be
born from above. Born again. Jesus saw the Samaritan woman
at the well. He saw the paralytic sick for 38 years.
When Jesus saw him lying there, he said, do you
(45:45):
want to get well? Jesus noticed a huge crowd coming
toward them. He saw their hunger. He he saw the
woman caught in adultery, As he was passing by, he
saw a blind man from birth. Who is it in
your life? Like Tom was saying, you know, with the
(46:06):
little kid banging the car door, who is it in
your life that you see but you haven't that that
you've you've wanted to reach into their life and say
something encouraging and you've you've held back maybe today, maybe
this weekend, or maybe there's somebody that you've never seen.
Maybe it'll be a stranger and you see a mom
(46:28):
with kids in the store and they're having she's having
a little hard time and you say an encouraging word, oh,
what might happen through this conversation? Big thanks to J.C. Shearer,
junior and his family for coming on the program. Thank you.
Chris Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a
ministry of Moody Bible Institute.
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