Journey of Self-Awakening and healing after cancer and 9/11 ft Scott Sotkovsky

Welcome back to another episode of Chronicles of a Virgo Podcast. This week we are joined by Entrepreneur, Author, 9/11 responder, Cancer Survivor, and Motivational Speaker Craig Sotkovsky. 

Shortly after volunteering as a responder during one of the most unforgettable moments in history, the "9/11 terrorist attack," Craig's path to healing began. It was during this time that he received a cancer diagnosis, leading his life to take a profound turn in a new direction.


In this episode, we discussed:

-Craigs life prior to 9/11 and how the events of 9/11 shaped his perspective on life and resilience

-The profound effect his cancer diagnosis had on his life and emotional well-being 

-Key moments or insights during his recovery journey that ignited a newfound appreciation for life, emphasizing mindset and healing
 
-The transformative power of reframing his narrative, which not only catalyzed his own healing but also empowered him to positively impact and inspire others

-Advice for individuals embarking on or navigating their own healing journey, drawing from Craig's own experiences and lessons learned

Through his trials, Craig discovered the power of resilience and the importance of nurturing a positive outlook on life. This newfound perspective not only guided him through his own adversities but also became the cornerstone of his coaching philosophy.

Craig now empowers others to break free from negative thought patterns, urging them to shed their "stinking thinking" and embrace a mindset of abundance and possibility.

This episode serves as a testament to true resilience, showcasing how Craig's journey of overcoming adversity and shifting his mindset has led to profound personal growth & his spiritual awakening.


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Episode Transcript

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This podcast is a production of UnfilteredStudios. If you would like to know
more about joining Unfiltered Studios, pleasevisit our website at unfpod dot com for
more information. Welcome to the Chroniclesof a Verbal podcast, the podcast dedicated
to the transformative journey of healing,mental health and personal growth. I'm your

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favorite favorite verbal host, Shakita Johnson, and together we'll continue to turn our
vulnerability into strength. As a sexualassault survivor and mental health advocate, I
have a learn to sort through theashes of my trauma and turn my pain
into power. And this podcast isrepresentation that healing is possible. And each
episode we'll dive deep deep into conversationsabout overcoming challenges, find an inn strength,

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and emerging from life trials like afeelings from the Ashes. We may
even have some friends drive by fromtime to time. Get ready to be
inspired and empowered as we embark ona rewarding journey of self discovery. So
sit back and relax and let's getinto some healing. All right, y'all,

(01:07):
Welcome back to another episode of Chroniclesof a Virgo podcast, and as
usual, I'm your fair favorite favoriteverbal host and today guys of course,
we have another lovely guest joining usthat's going to embrace my platform with some
words of inspiration and tell his storyjust some remarkable things today we have joined

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us. Mister Craig Savowski. Howyou doing today, sir, I said,
correctly. I apologize. I ain'ttrying to make sure I get it
because I know how its Listen,you will be the first or you will
be relist. I understand. Butthank you so much, sir for joining
me and taking the time out ofyour busy schedule schedule to come talk to

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me and my lovely supporters. Iappreciate the opportunity, of course. So
before we get into some things,we were going to do our lovely mental
health check check in with ourselves,make sure we are feeling good. So,
if you are new to the show, what we do is we rate
our mental health on the scale ofone to five. Five being that you

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are in a good space, you'refeeling good, and one being you're not
in the best space. You havesome room for porn, but you are
managing. So, mister Craig,how are you feeling today on the scale
of one to five, I'm I'malways sitting about four or fives, okay,
four or five? Got you?I got you? I like that
today as we have recorded right now, I'm gonna say I'm about a four

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and a half, So I'm ina pretty good space. I celebrate every
rating, whether it's a one,two, three, five, whatever,
I'm in the midst of celebrating.And when I get these feeling good moments,
I really celebrate them because it's beena long time coming, you know.
So I do the mental health checksas a way to hold myself accountable

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for checking out with myself, butto all encourage everyone is listening to take
time out of your busy schedules.So also check in with yourself. Make
sure you are feeling good. Yourbody's in tech, you're in alignment,
you got some good energy flowing.And if you're not feeling the best,
maybe find something else to do,maybe find someone to talk to you.
But nonetheless, just to take mentalhealth more serious, you know, because

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it is a serious thing. Ithink we need to definitely take it serious
and focus a little bit more onit. All right, So let's get
into some things. So, guys, we're about to get into a remarkable
story. I have been waiting forthis story. Me and this guy talked
some months ago and it was justsupposed to be for like fifteen minutes,

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and it ended up being for likealmost two hours. And I'm like,
oh my god, I've it wasjust that so enlighteness. So I know
you're gonna love him and his energyand everything that he is about to bring
today. All right, So misterStovowski Satowski Craig is good. All right.
If I don't want to keep messingit up, I apologize. Mister

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Craig. So, you are aman of many things. You worry,
you wear many capes, you havemany titles. Specifically, just doing my
research and in conversation with you,I know that you were one of the
first responders for nine eleven. Youare also a cancer survivor, an entrepreneur,

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author, a motivational speaker. Youare a lot of things. Life
coach, your father, your husband. Take us back, because I know
your story consists of a lot ofthings, but take us back to how
your life was prior to the eventsof nine eleven. So, I've been
an entrepreneur ever since I'm a littlekid. I was the one with the
lemonade, staying the haunted house.You know, whatever we can come up

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with selling chocolate door to door,whatever we can hustle and four nine to
eleven entrepreneur, contractor, real estateinvestor, just one of those guys.
And I've lived in different cultures,different countries. One of the one of

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the profound experiences in my life,I lived in a bush of Jamaica with
no electricity, no water for likesix months, and I went a crazy
whitesman in the bush. So sothat that was one of the things that
like really it inspired me to godeeper, right, And when I came

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back from Jamaica, I was actuallyliving in an abandoned house downtown Jersey City
with no electricity, no water,no windows in the middle of the winter.
And that was to see how muchmore I could take. And it's
it's brought me to where I amright now. You know, I love
to tell stories about my life andI encourage people to do the same.

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The way I look at is ifyou're not telling your story, you're not
healed. Right. So when wetalk about these emotional attachments that we have,
these past circumstances and stories, itfor me, just through my experience,
it was really hard to go throughone story and that was being molested
as a child, and after thatit got to drug addiction, bankruptcies,

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blah blah blah. We all havethe story, right. I no longer
have emotional attachments to the stories thatI talk about, and I encourage people
to do the same. And thatrequires some deep dark, some deep dark
work. And I'm laughing because Ibelieve we all need to laugh at ourselves
first and foremost, and we're notlooking in the mirror and laughing at ourselves.

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We have a big problem. It'scalled ego and as a saying,
it's called edging God out. AndI believe that God within us is who
we have to touch. So Ihope that explained a little bit of who
I think. Yeah, most mostdefinitely, most definitely. And I am
an advocate for you know, standingor reclaiming your power and using your voice

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to tell your story. I amalso a sexual survivor as well, and
for me specifically, it took mea while to even call myself a survivor.
I'm just like, I'm a victim. I'm a victim. I was
so sucked into that whole victim mentalitythat I was like, yeah, I'm
a sexual sat victim, you know, I'm a trauma victim. But until
I got to the point where Ireclaimed my voice and I stepped into my

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full power, I'm like, youknow what, I'm a survivor. I
know I've survived many things of life, but that was one of the main
things. And quick, can wejust talk about being a thriver? Sure?
Because the survivor, we're still sittingin that that victim thought, because
we're a survivor of something, right, instead of thriving past it. And

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I don't mean to interrupt, becausewords are definitely the most important that we
could use. And you know,our articular activating system is listening to everything
that we're talking about. So ifwe're talking about being a survivor, then
it's kind of like we're still inthat that victim mindset instead of being a
thriver of somebody that pushed past thesurvivor. Yeah, I got to see

(08:20):
how he'd be getting with me.This is how our first in actually don't
want and I want you to dofor me because I you know, I'm
not one hundred percent. We're allworks in progress. I respected though I
respect it. The thing for meis I want to be corrected. I
want somebody to correct me, becauseI believe that's how we learn and we

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grow. And it's not so muchabout oh I want to correct you about
something, it's you have this beautifulenergy, you have this beautiful genre this
podcast, right, So you're goingto be attracting and are attracting so many
amazing people telling their stories. Linguisticprogram neurological linguistic program is everything in life
is still about neurologically linguistic programming ourselves. So if we're talking about survivorship,

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it's like, oh, we're survivors. You know. I'm a survivor of
being molested as a child or adrug addict, and I'm still sitting in
that emotional just conflict with myself.And I encourage I encourage people to just
keep just keep pounding, pushing,clawing, gnawing, right, And and
I want my company is from thispoint forward, okay, And from this

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point forward, I want to leavepeople better than how what I found out.
I want them to leave me betterthan how they found me. So
I just encourage people to use wordsdifferently because our ass is listening to everything.
And we'll talk about this in alittle bit, but it's thought,
it's listening to everything that we're saying, everything that we're doing. Definitely,

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and not only that, life anddeath is in the power of the tongue.
So I I love that. Ilove that, and normally, for
the most part, I'm very goodabout my speech, you know, but
I appreciate that, and I haveadopted the mindset of getting in the space
of being able to and accept themto be not necessarily corrected, but educated

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because, like you know, wedon't know everything, and sometimes we come
in contact with people that have alittle bit more wisdom or insights. So
I'm always open. I'm always opento some knowledge or something that's going to
make me better or help me pushthat message out. So I appreciate you
for checking me. Okay, Somoving forward, you are a nine to

(10:39):
eleven first responder. So how didyou get to that position of you?
Were you already there in the midstbecause I know, like some of the
responders, they got them from everywhere, or some of them was just like
volunteers. So how did you comein contact with that? So I was
a volunteer. I lived, likeI said, I lived downtown Jersey City,

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which is right across the river fromNew York City, which is right
across downtown the city, right acrossfrom the World Trade Center. No thing
that separated us was the Hudson River. So I came out of my one
property on First Street in downtown JerseyCity and I was walking down the street
and I looked up and I waslike whoa, Like what is that?
So I ran around the corner tomy fiancee at the time and I was

(11:26):
like, look, because she wasa photographer, I was like, look
at your camera, let's go.She's like, what's up. I was
like, I don't know, theWorld Trade Cet is on fire something,
because nobody knew at that point.Actually, we actually walked down to the
Hudson River, and I mean itwas pandemonium, chaos, everything that you
could possibly. It was like themovies, it really was. It was
wild sirens going off, horn hornsblaring, like it was just pandemonium.

(11:50):
So we got down here and atthat time, like I didn't see it,
but the second thing I already hitand we were just like, what
is going on? Right? Thisis the World Trades in And I knew
at that time it was like itwas complete utter chaos in my head as

(12:11):
well, and it was just likelistening to the cops on the radios and
everybody's like screaming, yelling, hollering, crying his nuts. And then my
wife she was like, what doyou think is going to happen? And
I was like, I don't know, maybe the top part of the building

(12:31):
might fall off. Every construction mywhole life, apartment buildings, bridges,
like not tunnel, sorry, butevery kind of construction site you could possibly
imagine I've been on. And Iwas like, at best, at worst,
like this thing is going to fallover and probably hit a bunch of
buildings and cause a lot of chaos. And as we were talking about that,

(12:52):
the first building just pumming down.I don't mean to laugh, but
you're looking at something that's so surreal, right, And and my wife she
has dozens and dozens and dozens anddozens of pictures of the first one coming
down, like like who cops goingcrazy telling everybody get back because you don't

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know what's going to happen, right, We've never seen anything like this.
So we ended up walking to LibertyState Park and there's a there was a
cutthrough by the boat base and whereyou could like walk and get to Liberty
State Park. And as we gotto Liberty State Park before I'm sorry,
before we had gotten a second onecame down and it was just and and

(13:37):
and again she's got boom boom boomboom, like pictures, like crazy pictures.
And we get to Liberty State Parkand like look, and that's when
a boat started coming. And Idon't know the time frame, it could
have been in a couple hours orwhatever, because I mean it was just
complete chaos in everybody's head. Andand the boat started coming and we started

(13:58):
seeing all of these people come onoff and all kinds of like in shape,
you know, like everybody's crying,leading like it was. It was
just craziness. And I told her, I was like, listen, I
got to get there. I mean, it's the World Trade said, I've
been in construction. I'd rather,you know, be there, and I
see all these people coming off.Long story short, it took me a

(14:20):
couple of days to get do becausethey weren't allowing people. They just shut
everything down, you know. Andit was really weird because and sometimes I
think about this and I and I'mlike why was I a part of this?
Why? And then I was likewhy not. Why not. It's

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an incident, right, And longstory short, I developed lung cans and
people were telling me, and thiswas in twenty twelve, people like,
you know, you should see theseattorneys, talk to these attorneys, talk
to these people, you know.And I was like, I was only
there for two days, m HM. And and I know so many people

(15:05):
that were there for months. Nothing'shappened, nothing, nothing's happened to them.
And what I found out years laterwas to qualify for anything, you
need to be there for four hoursin the first five days. And I
was like, oh, I hitthe wrong lottery. I was there two

(15:26):
days. There was the wrong lotof m HM. So I had I
had a bunch of procedures done andI ended up they ended up taking my
mid and lower load my right lungout had a cost between the top part
of my lung and my middle partof my lung. And it took me

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six years to overcome the physical painof that of that nine hour surgery,
and to this day I still have. I developed something called Saturday night palsy
because I was on the table fornine hours and my arm was laid out
and it had something to do withthe nerve in my left arm. So
I had to relearn how to usemy arm again. I to relearn how

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to just maneuver with pain twenty fourhours day, seven days a week.
And you would think that the moderndrugs will help you. Sometimes morphine doesn't
work. Answer Sometimes it just doesn't. Know. I was one of those
people that when they were wheeling meout into like the recovery room, I

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woke up screaming. I was saying, because the meds had borne off,
my blood pressure had dropped, andthey couldn't for a while give me anything.
So I was screaming at chest tube, catheter, you know, lines,
epidole in the back, like allof that stuff. But it was.
It was a long surgery. Andwhat I realized now is how lucky

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I really am. M. Youknow, I beat that, and it
took it took a long time tobeat that. Yeah, So thank you
so much for sharing that. LikeI like listening to you talk about what
you saw one that day just putsme in the mindset of like when I

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sit and like watch movies. I'veonly watched a few movies and documentaries,
and I know none of that equatesto actually being there, But thank you
for your service, you know,for for you being there and just you
know, jeopardizing your health and yourwell being for those that needed you because
that moment. They always say,that's one day that you will never forget

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where you were at that particular timeand place. And I might be telling
my age. I always talk aboutmy age, but I was in middle
school when that happened, and theydidn't tell us anything. But I can
tell you everything that happened that dayand after that, you know. And
I actually got to visit my freshmanyear of college. It was completely different

(18:07):
than what it looks like now.But it was I felt like the energy,
like you could just feel something.It was just like a real aery,
you know, and it was quiet. So I know that over the
years they've done different things and stuff, but you know, thank you for
sharing that with us. So whenthat happened, like it took you all
them years to get the diagnoses ofhaving cancer, Like did you have experience

(18:32):
any health issues or anything. Soin twenty twelve, I was living in
Mexico at the time. My wifeand daughter and I started getting sick and
I had gone to the hospital downthere and they told me I had pneumonia
and a collapsed the lobe of mylung and that really like freaked me out.

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However, when they told me,I left the hospital just like where
you're going, like, I'll takecare of this at home, your lungest
collapse. It took me. Ittook me five years to actually get diagnosed,
and it was in twenty twenty sixWe came back to the United States.

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In twenty fifteen, I came backto launch my speaking career and my
book. And in twenty sixteen Iwas sick for the whole year. And
I want to say it was summerof twenty seventeen. There was an eclipse,
so the three of us had goneto Helen, Georgia to go up
on top of the hill and watchthe eclipse. However, I couldn't even

(19:40):
walk up the hill. I wasprofusely sweating. My chest was pounding.
You have to get one of thoseexperiences where your chest is pounding, but
you could hear it. It wasout and I had to turn around and
walk away and go down to thecar, and in the car it's profusely

(20:02):
sweating. It was just like there'ssomething really wrong, you know. And
my wife and daughter came back andwe went to the hospital and uh,
that's when the doctor told me thatI had malignant cancer in front of my
then eleven year old daughter, Andmy first instinct was to throat punching.
I was like, how can yousay something like that in front of a
kid? Right, like, likewhat? And that was that was the

(20:26):
first step of my journey into themedical establishment and how there are a lot
of doctors and and people in themedical field that don't do not belong in
the medical field, need to learnhow to talk to people, not talk
down to them, because I'm notone of these people that accepts being talked
down to. And I've had myI've had my share of verbal altercations with

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some doctors and hospital administrators. AndI was becoming an advocate for patients.
In twenty twenty, I had eightto twelve procedures and surgeries that really like
I believe something happened during anesthesia,because it seemed like every month I was

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going on there and I have memorygaps that span two to three years where
I'll I'll be saying something and mywife and daughter would be like, yeah,
that happened like two years ago,And I think it happened like a
couple of weeks ago. But what'sgone on after that? In twenty twenty
one, I my whole life.I had knee operations ever since I was

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a little kid, and I hadeight knee operations in my life, and
twenty twenty one, I had aknee ablasion that gave me three blood clots
that almost killed me. So it'sbeen it's been an awe inspiring life for
me because I look at everything nowlike like a child in awe. You
know you can tell me, youcan tell me, oh, you know

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what, you got cancer? I'dbe like, Okay, gona take the
smile off my face. I wastold they were treating me three times for
cancer. They don't only write once. However, I have the scars for
all three times, and one ofthe one of the biggest things in nine
to eleven community, from what Iunderstand, is male breast cancer. And
two times they told me they weretreating me for male breast cancer when it
was taking like Holmes out. Ihave scars. I have scars all over

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my body. And one of theone of the things that I started to
develop for myself was this, uh, just a way of dealing with mental
stress, just just you know,a deep down burning desire to overcome my
stinking thinking and why I thought certainthings at the time where you know,

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I was always looking at impending doom, worst case scenarios and it's all trauma
responses, you know. Yeah,that was going to be my next question
of like how did get and thatdiagnoses and things impact I know, what
impacted your physical wellbeing about how didit impact your mental well being? Because

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I know I've heard stories of people, you know, getting diagnosed with different
things, and it affects people differently. So the course of where you were
in your life at that time didn'thave a major impact on your life.
I mean, were your mental healthat that time? Absolutely? So.
My wife and I would get intoarguments not the word cancer because it was

(23:32):
they weren't saying it was cancer.They were saying it was too many m
right, And you're having these stupidarguments about words. And she wouldn't say
cancer for the longest time. Andit wasn't until one of one of the
one of the procedures before when theystarted talking about cancer and it was like

(23:56):
the doctor had said in the emergencyand cancer and then after that it was
tumor, so it was kind oflike, yeah, it was like,
what what is this? I know, something's really wrong. And I had
gotten a flexible broncoscopy and a rigidbroncoscopy before my nine hour surgery, not

(24:17):
that day, but within within acouple of months, and during one of
those procedures I don't remember which one, they had nicked the costinoid tumor which
started spewing all this nasty stuff throughoutmy body had almost killed me and brought
me into like five seven days inthe hospital, and it was it was
amazing to me how nurses are.It was amazing to me, like how

(24:42):
nurses know more than doctors, andthat that started blowing my mind. That
really I was like I was listeningto the nurses and listening to how they
were talking and how they would eyeroll when a doctor would say something.
They'd just be like, you know, like I'd be watching them going this

(25:03):
morning and the doctors. Yeah,nurses have have tremendously helped me so much
that my wife is now in RN. She she's amazing. She went to
school, back to school with fortyeight to be an RN and fifty years
old. You know, National HonorSociety. Oh, shout out to her.
That's amazing so her. So look, so your journey influenced her in

(25:29):
a positive way. She went backto school and got her whole nursing license
and that is not easy educated fromwhat I hear, it's not easy.
I started off as a nurse inmajor. As soon as I seen that
syllabus and all that stuff with scienceand maths, I said, Nope,
not for me. No, Ijust like no, seventeen year old me,
I was like, absolutely not.No. I switched my major in

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a heartbeat. In a heartbeat.So yes, I agree. I've worked
with a ton of nurses and youknow, they're they are are angels in
disguises in many in many cases,and I feel like a lot of times
with the medical fiel, the doctorsget so much props that nurses, you
know, get the bottom of thebarrel. But I'm glad that in your

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in your situation, they came throughfor you. So that is amazing.
Well, well, you met somegood ones. I met some great ones.
But I just have to tell youthis story real quick because it's one
of those things where it's like Godhas a funny sense of you. That's
what That's what I've come to realize. So I go through this nine hour

(26:34):
surge, you go through all thispain and just just beating myself meant and
and it was like, you can'teven this. This comes under the file
of you can't even make this stuffup. During during this five to seven
days I was in the hospital orwhatever, one of the pain doctors tripped

(26:56):
over the line and bent the epidoralin my back. Oh. One of
the nurses tripped over my chest tubeand pulled it out. And the granddaddy
of walls. My nurse was cleaningmy Catherine, she tripped over the line
and pulled it out halfway. Ohmy god, I can see that now

(27:19):
laughing. But it took me likea year to be able to p straight.
I mean, it was just itwas one of those things like you
can't even make this stuff. Therehas to be a malpractice lost somewhere because
that is horrific. There's just thingsthat you don't even want it. Oh
my god, any stuff like that. It was just, it was it

(27:42):
was completely the whole experience has Irealized now, The whole experience has brought
me to who I am. Mhmm. I wouldn't wish any of this
stuff the enemy, you know,but but it's you know, it's my
life. Everybody has stories, youknow, So I tell these stories because

(28:04):
I want people. I want toencourage people to understand one thing first and
foremost. You don't have time.So you have to shoot on your ideas.
Now, you have to find thatgod within. You have to you
know, look in the mirror andjust be yourself because everybody else is taken.
There's so many people now they're lookingat like social media and how everything's

(28:25):
like the highlighted reel and they're lookingat all this picture perfect stuff and that's
just not life. That's not whatlife is. You know. We're all
going through something right now, rightnow. And what I've realized during his
whole my fifty eight years on hisvolcanic meatballs, nobody laughs and cries in
a different language. And this issomething that profoundly affects me every day because

(28:49):
I want to encourage people. Look, man, we're all different, yet
we all have these same commonalities,and let's start talking about our commonalities rather
than our differences. And I thinkthat's when he can move as whatever whatever
nonsense we're going through I want tobe there for people that you know,
my one of my catch phrases,I'm here to disturb the comfortable and comfort

(29:11):
to disturbed. It's because it's becausepeople need a wake up call. If
people have not gone through any kindof stresses in their lives, I feel
sorry for them. I really do. Because I encourage people and I wish
just enough pain, misery and sufferingfor people to change. And that is

(29:32):
something that you know, I encouragepeople to live their life, you know,
because I mean I've met amazing peoplealong this quest and have influenced me
so much to really get out ofmy staking thinking to look at my life
as a positive influence for myself.And if that and if that shines on

(29:55):
to other people, so be it. Because I'm not going to shut up
till I die. You know,now now that I have beautiful people like
you, inviting you on podcasts andbeing able to talk and giving the opportunity
to share my story, man,I ain't gonna shut up. I want
to encourage people to be the bestversion of themselves. Okay, yes,

(30:15):
yes, I oh see. Itold y'all. I told y'all he was
going to break it. Yes,So let's let's talk a little bit more
about no no, no, no, no, no, that's that's fine.
That look I am okay with that. That is perfectly fine. Your
your your recovery, going through yourrecovery process. What was the pivotal moment,

(30:40):
whether it was in your recovery processof you know, hailing through the
cancer and all that stuff, thatyou realized that you wanted to, as
you like to say, get outof your thinking thinking and really shift your
life into a better you know,a better on a better path. So
I've had these epiphanies along the waymm hmm. And there was one time

(31:00):
where it's like I couldn't get outof bed. I couldn't feel my legs.
I had peripheral neuropathy and still doto this day. And what I
started learning about was epigenetics. WhatI started to learn about was just the
mind and heart connection and what thetrue brain is, because the true brain

(31:22):
is not here, the true brainis here's heart and that is like,
that's the soul connection, that's thegod within, that's the being that we
have to connect to right to beable to be able to move forward,
you have to have this heart andbrain coherence and what I started to really

(31:45):
understand about myself was like I usedto hear these voices. It was my
old sense in Mexico, don't getup, take the beating, Get up
again, take the beating. Andit was always about like paralyzed in fear.
I used to be a high enderna in real estate and I couldn't

(32:06):
even pay the life bill. Icouldn't you know. I'm in bed months
at a time, weeks at atime, days at a time. There
was some days where I had nobelief in myself and I was self isolating,
self sabotaging, and I would listenmore and more to one of my
mentors, curic Ash. I wouldlisten to Less Brown. I would listen
to all these motivational speakers and influencesto where during this whole process, it

(32:30):
became a less Brown power voice speaker. And that was like one of those
Aha moments, Inema Right. Oneof the epiphanies that I had learning about
epigenetics and how the heart and braincoherence is so important was I had to
go for a yearly physical for thenine to eleven community, and I had

(32:54):
to get an X ray, andwhen a doctor came in all she said
was is have you ever had abad X ray? And I just like,
real quick, I was gonna likereact, And then I was like,
you know what, whatever she tellsme is not gonna make me have
a bad day, just won't.It's gonna be maybe an incident in that

(33:16):
day, but it's not gonna bethe whole day. And I refused to
walk out of this place without asmile on my face. And then what
I found out was she didn't evenhave my records, so what she was
looking at on the X ray wasactually my mid and lower lobe gone and
it was just cloudy. So shethought that there was something really bad.

(33:37):
Well, yeah it was really bad. Yeah, she didn't even have my
information, right. And that wasthe day that I realized I can never
come to conclusions because it's always goingto be different information brought into my psyche
my mindset, right. So ifI come to conclusions for anything and somebody

(33:58):
brings me information means I have toremain open to change. And that was
that was a humbling experience because Ialways, always, I always had to
be the loudest. I always hadthis show and it's like, nah,
you really don't you know when lifewill humble you, you'll be down with

(34:20):
the quickness with the quickness. Butlike you said, when you're open to
just change in different things, lifecan take you on so many wonderful paths.
Doubt that you had never been ableto envision for yourself. I never
thought in a minion. I usedto always, like egotistically, think I'd

(34:42):
be famous for something I've done inbusiness. Nah man, like a famous
being a nine to eleven cancer guy. That was so humbling. However,
that being said, I help meatthousands of people all around the world,
So how can all this experience bebad for me? Even being lesson as
a child for the longest time,it just dragged me and dragged me and

(35:05):
dragged me and dragged me to whereI didn't start dealing with that until I
was in my forties. So I'dbe I'd be speaking at convention centers and
just talking about real estate finance andall this stuff, and I'd get accolades
for and I walk off stage thinkingthat I as a piece of garbage because
there was things in my head thatI never worked out, you know,
And I believe we all go backto our childhood. We're just children.

(35:28):
And adult bodies and if we haven'tmentally figured out who we are. You
know, I'm fifty eight years old. I can't blame on me and dad.
I can't blame siblings or cousins orexperiences in my life. The only
thing I can blame is myself fornot giving me the grace to understand that
these stories and that's all they are, are stories, no matter how horrific

(35:51):
we would think, they're just storieswith emotional attachments. And when we get
over those emotional attachment and it's hardwork, it's not see not easy when
you're looking at yourself as the root, cause it's not easy when you're when
you start to realize, hey,you know what I am the problem?
Okay, wake them up, goahead, wake them up. So it's

(36:13):
like, no, it's always it'salways about you know, when I listen
to people's stories and and oh,you don't know my story, it's like,
no, I know your story.I know everybody's story because it's just
stories. What's your emotional attachment to? Who are you blaming? And I'm
not I'm not What do they callthat blame shaming or whatever? Whatever?
Victim blame not at all, notat all. What I'm doing is I'm

(36:37):
putting a mirror up to your face, and I want you to look in
the mirror and to yourself and giveyourself that apology that's never gonna come mm
hmm. And when you do that, your life starts to change. And
it's hard work. It's it canbe violent work in your head because you

(36:58):
have to sit in those stories.This is temple for a reason. I
this is the only real estate thatyou can own. And once you sit
in it, you're gonna live inthe hood. Are you gonna live in
the palace? I live in thepalace every day. However, in the
palace there's always problems. So theyare obstacles more so than all these devastating
things that happen to us, becausethey're I've been brought down on my knees

(37:21):
plenty of times, man, andand and and I just sit here and
being able to tell my story isso cathartic for me. It's it's so
it gives me a new understanding ofwho I am mm hmm. And it
gives me an understanding of my loveand my grace. Because I know I

(37:45):
can't teach people anything. I can'tI can only I can only regurgitate information
about my story to help people helpthemselves. But I can't teach you anything.
I can't teach you. I can'tteach you audience. And the reason
why I say that is because youhave to use your own discernment in this
world. You have to use allyour experiences to listen and whatever you can

(38:10):
use, use and if you can'tuse anything else, to scart it and
move on to the next person andtake a little bit, take a little
bit from everybody that you listen to. Mm hmm. And that's it.
You know, I am not theend I had. I had somebody one
time tell me, you know,I can't I want to be just like
you, And I was like,what neurotic? Are you kidding me?

(38:30):
Need to aim higher? Man?You really did, and it's like,
why not become yourself? And Ithink that's one of the one of the
biggest things that people are afraid tobe is themselves because they're always afraid of
what somebody's gonna say, or ohyou're upity, or you're you're too you're
you know, you're too involved inyourself. It's called self respect for a

(38:51):
reason, called personal development for areason. Okay, And it's funny you
say that, because that instantly mademe think of doctor Joe Despenser and breaking
the habit of being yourself. Yeah, and I I started reading while listening

(39:12):
to the audio book, and alot of the time he talks about in
order to break the habit of beingyourself, yourself who you are, you
have to release the attachments, everythingthat you're attached to your job, all
your titles, all the materialistic things. And once you do that and you
become in space, right then yourealmish in that area of just being and

(39:36):
you know, you go to thewhole supernatural part and all that. But
for a long time, I wasso conflict. I'm like, what do
you mean release at now? Iknow you know, yes, become nothing.
That was like, what do youmean become nothing? I am something,
I'm someone? But right it is. It is. But like when

(39:57):
you don't know that, it's justlike, Okay, I don't want to
I don't want to teeter or ttterover here. Just like a lot of
what you just mentioned, the diggingdeep is like shadow work, like unveiling
the shadow, unraveling the onion andgetting down to the nitty gritty of what
the problem is. Because I dabbledin shadow work sometime last year and I
was just like, oh, sothis is why I have the attachments to

(40:22):
this, And it's just the attachmentsthe emotions to certain things. And I
was able to piece like what Ithought they were the causation do to really
what it was. And for mepersonally, it was a lot of childhood
trauma and childhood stuff that my attachmentswere to. Like you said that relationships,

(40:43):
yeah, and you can even havethose two like family. I think
a lot of people when you thinktrauma bonding, you think like intimate partners,
But no, it can be family. It can be family. So
I'm glad you even went down thatalley of the whole like just shadow work
and stuff, because I don't thinga lot of people can correlate why that
is so important on your healing journey. Well, if you know the thing

(41:07):
for me right, and again thisis just from my experience, it took
me tens Like I was able tosit in my head for tens of thousands
of hours while I went through andit like literally I self isolated in my
bedroom or in my living and justand just listened to Joe de spends a

(41:30):
Jose Silva, you know, kerkAshley, Tony Rott like endless. And
And what I started to realize isevery time I would go for a surgery
or a procedure a week or twobefore I would start healing, before I
was even getting stitched up. Thataccelerated how quick I could heal. And

(41:55):
now my superpower is me just beingme. I'm just there's nothing, It's
just Craig Sagoski is my name,who I am and who I help is
my being because I don't know whoI'm reaching. Right now, we have
the opportunity of talking all over theworld. I don't even have to leave
my office in my living room,right So, I mean we can influence

(42:20):
so many people's decisions about themselves,if they want to work, if they
want to work on themselves. Peoplefor the most part, want to work
on other things except for themselves.And it's powerful when you are able to
walk away from your shadow, becausethat means you've turned on a light.

(42:42):
There's no longer a shadow, there'sno longer a part of you that is
self loathing and lingering and why me? And why is all this stuff happening
to me, and it's like,well, why not, why is this
stuff happening for me? I havean amazing I have an amazing life and
I haven't even started. I'm fiftyeight years old. I'm looking at this

(43:02):
as like a little kid in awe. You know, mental health is so
important because because it's mental health,nobody knows you but you. And what
I've experienced with people is you know, oh, if I have another relationship,
and by the way, I'm inthe process of getting divorced, and
no, it's not, no,it's not. You know, when I

(43:24):
say that, I say that withgrace because her and I have been through
so much that I just want thebest for her because I really do love
her. She really does love me. She wants the best for me.
And you go through so much,you go through so much pain, misery
and suffering. Like I don't knowwhat it's like when she was walking by

(43:45):
me just to check if I wasstill breathing. I want to free her
from that now. I want herto I want her to just be a
normal person per se. Right,Yeah, And and these things that we
go through, they're part of ourhealing journey, They're part love that we
have for all the people. Ijust want people to be happy, joyful,

(44:07):
you know, forget about the apathy. I don't want anybody to be
empathetic. That means you haven't grown, you haven't shown yourself to who you
are, tap into your empathy.We're all going through something right now.
And to be honest with you,when you when you go through so many
things with people, you develop arelationship with that person. Mm hmm.

(44:30):
That is timeless. It really is. And and like the stories that I'm
telling you now are its big comparedto the rest of the stories. There's
some stories I can't even talk about. Yeah, yeah, So what like
now in your life now? Andlike you said, we're all going through

(44:51):
some things. What do you doto keep yourself like in alignment and just
as like your personal self care?Because I see you out in nature a
lot and moving your body. Sowhat are some other things that you do
to keep yourself together? As soonas I wake up, I listen to
two things. One is plus aSilvan Silver right to seventeen minute morning meditation

(45:19):
where he takes you and guide youinto you and then Joe de spends the
morning meditation. So it's like assoon as I wake up. I listen
to those two right off the bat, and I'm ready. I'm ready for
the world. Right I'm ready.I should say I'm ready for my world,
you know. And people like,what do you aspire to be?
I aspire to be the best inthe world at what I do. Yeah,

(45:43):
not what you do, not whatsomebody else does, what I do,
and that's me being nothing. Iwant to be the best at So
in order to do that, Ihave to constantly do the work. And
that's where people fall short. Theydon't want to put the sweat equity into
their life. They don't want tocreate that generational wealth. That's too healing.
That's the abundance of life is whenyou can self heal. That means

(46:07):
you've been through the sweat equity,you've been through the mental boxing, you've
been through kicking your own ass,you know. And that's what I think
we do so much, is wejust beat ourselves down so much and we
don't ask for help. And Ithink that's one of the worst things.
That's pride ego with all of thatstuff. I'm the first one I raise

(46:27):
my hand. They're like, well, you know what you're you're weak.
Lions aren't weak. I just don'tcare about what the sheep said. And
that's one of the things. Whenyou understand yourself and your power within and
you tap into that hot and braincoherence, and you attract other people that

(46:49):
are into the hot and brain coherence, and that light just gets bigger and
bigger. And that's how you developa community. That's how you develop all
of these beautiful things that the worldneeds because the world needs your story.
The world needs your audience story.And I believe if you're not telling your
story. Number one, you haven'tworked on yourself with the emotional attachments that
are bad for you. Because wehave something called a reticular activating system.

(47:12):
Everybody does, and the rass justwants to please you. So if you
have these thoughts of bad, guesswhat. Your articular activating system just wants
to please you. So it's goingto develop bad relationships, just wants to
please you. It's going to putyou in circumstances that are bad for you
because it just wants to please you. When we find out who we really
are, that God within that universallight that helps our brothers insistence heal man

(47:39):
life changes, you know, it'slook look to mentors, look to coaches,
look to you know, whoever isgoing to inspire you to take action.
Forget about the motivation, forget aboutthe inspiration. Take action, inspire
yourself to take action. Get upoff your ass. Hey, look,

(48:00):
it's okay not to be okay,but just don't sit there funny days,
man, I couldn't. I didn'teven want to take a shower. I
didn't even want to change my socks. I didn't want to get up and
do anything. Self loathing. Ohwhy is my life like this? Because
we develop it for ourselves, Like, well, you don't know the relationships
I've been, and yeah I do. I've been the same ones, same

(48:22):
crapphic relationships, because I know whattrauma bonding is. And when you trauma
bond with people, you enable eachother, You enable each other to be
just comfortable enough to be miserable again. And this is something, and this
is something that the world doesn't needthe world needs more love and encouraging words.
You know, we beat ourselves upfrom our past circumstances, and honestly,

(48:45):
we all everybody has a past,but that's why we leave it there.
It's behind us right our present,which is the gift. That's what
we need to open. That's goingto show us our future. And I'm
here to tell people, man,wake up, wake up. I love
it. Oh, I love it. I got chills. I'm going to

(49:07):
make sure I do my doctor JoeDespens of the brain and heart coherence meditation.
That's one of my faves by him. I don't know if you've done
that. I'm pretty sure you havedone it before. But he has some
good, good stuff. And Itold you how I feel about jose Silver.
Now that you know, I'm stilllearning that that stuff. It's different,
but definitely some good stuff, especiallywhen you talked about just like getting

(49:32):
everything in alignment, because you yourbody will tell you when something is wrong,
and I feel like if you don'tlisten and like take the signs,
you will burn out so fast.Like I dealt with that a couple of
months ago, and it was likethe worst physical feeling and definitely worst mental,
worst mental feeling I've ever felt ever. So thank you for all of

(49:58):
that. I told y'all he wasgonna come with it today. I told
you just imagine being one of hiscoaching clients. So let's talk about that
a little bit about your coaching andeverything else that you have working on right
now. So I have I havea book out. Everybody pays a big
one Man's Entrepreneurial Journey. I lostmy nine to eleven book notes. Yeah

(50:22):
it's a T mobile, gave outmy SIM card number, and everything I
owned intellectually got hacked. And I'vebeen fighting them for the last couple of
years. So in the process ofthat, I'm writing another book called The
Shaman from Jersey. And you know, people like you know it's very arrogant.
How could you be a shaman?I'm a shaman for myself. It
means I'm able to alchemize all thischemistry set within. Like I said,

(50:47):
you can tell me something. Tellme I have terminal cancer. I'm gonna
be dead, you know in thirtyminutes. Guess what. I'm gonna die
with a smile on my face becauseI'm not having I'm not having and all
these outside I want to just touchon this real quick, right. We
all have these people, places inthings that stop us, right, So
it's all external. Everything about usis external. We live within ourselves every

(51:14):
minute of every day. So it'sthe external that drives us to be either
a better person or a worst person. Our circumstances or failed behaviors, and
all of these failed relationships and allof these things are any external world.
However, there's something called the quantumfield. Tap into this when you can

(51:36):
tap into this external wi fi.And this is not for everybody, this
is but it literally wants to getrid of the crap that they have in
their head. And when you tapinto this external wi fi, the people,
places, and things change, Yourcircumstances change, the ability to see
different things changes. And when you'reable to glow and live in that glow,

(52:02):
that's from your internal So your internalworld shows you you the outside world
as your outside world shows your internalworld. That's when you're working on yourself.
So get rid of all the stinkingthinking, get rid of all the
relationships that are like cancer, becausethey are they'll consume me, right instead

(52:22):
of you consuming yourself and understanding,Hey, you know what I have to
go within. I'm going to takea mental health month six months a year.
If everybody took a year off,you're like, you take a year
off. We got bills to pay, We got all this. What I'm
talking about, I'm talking about wehave twenty four hours in a day,

(52:42):
you have eight hours sleeping and technicallyeight hours work, so you have another
eight hours. If you add thatup, it's twenty nine hundred and twenty
hours a year. Right now,think about this. Science has said that
if you study one thing nineteen minutesa day, it right at the end
of three hundred and sixty five days, you're in the top one percent of

(53:06):
that field. Nineteen minutes a day. There are people with eight hours a
day watching TV and ingesting all ofthe nonsense that it's like, Oh,
I need to live this so andso TV show or that show. What
about your show? What about yourbook that you're supposed to be writing,
the songs you're supposed to be saying. What about the relationships that you're supposed

(53:30):
to get into that help people growand not minimize. Why don't we discover
in those twenty nine hundred and twentyhours of who we are? And if
you do that for yourself, man, there's no saying what you cannot accomplish,
that's it. If we're fixated onall of this negative, convoluted thinking,

(53:53):
you know, about who we arebecause we're designed to think negativity,
We're designed to think fight, flighta freeze. We're no longer being chased
by saber tooth tigers. And itcould be your mother in law that's the
pain. It could be your fatherin law, it could be your spouse,
could be your kids. That arethe pains in your life. So

(54:15):
you have to alter the way youthink. I'm not saying think like me,
No, just think different. Justthink different for yourself, and you
can't move from this point forward.You have a beautiful life in this craziness
that going on in the world nowadays. Man, there's so much craziness.

(54:35):
It just heard it just heard thegirl got killed in Athens, Georgia at
the college. Oh wow, shejust got killed like the other day,
just because some random person decided tokill it. It's like, no,
man o. Love. Love isthe answer. So we think about love

(54:59):
and we think about fear. Mostof us think in the fear of modality.
Think about the love modality. Howwould love responds Kirk Ashley book,
I would love respond in your life? Think about the negativity and all the
disempowering thoughts that we have. Loveis the answer to everything that we do.

(55:20):
You know, even if you're havinga bad relationship, turn around and
give it love and see what happenslike, Oh, that's so and so
doesn't deserve love. Well, youknow what, when you say that neurological
linguistically programming, you believe you don'tdeserve love. I encourage people just love
your love your anger away. MYeah, Like I had a thought recently,

(55:45):
like every negative like emotion, arefeeling, I want to become friends
with it because if I become friendswith it and invite it in, I
won't have so much resistance when certainthings happen, and it does. Isn't
a adjustment, but my way tohandle handle things have gotten a lot better.

(56:06):
Have definitely gotten a lot better.I just look at situational things very
different now. So like, Idefinitely understand about that, you know,
And I'm always the person to say, you know, Lee would love you
know. But unfortunately we live inthe world where everyone don't think that way.
And my hopes is that people startto do more internal work on themselves

(56:27):
and heal and whatever resources they takefrom that to help them get to that
way. But without even thinking gettingup and taking a foot and moving forward
and trying, you're never going toget anywhere, unfortunately, you know.
But I forgot people like you thatyou know tell your story. And you

(56:49):
have talked so much today about yourstory and what it taught you and where
you are now and life. Whatis it that you want someone that's listening
today to take from your experiences andeverything that you have offered us today.
First, we're all going through something, okay, and excuse my language.

(57:15):
Oh whoever you're thinking about, nobodyhas their shit together one hundred percent,
so it they don't. It doesn'tmatter who it is. They could be
the minister or pastor, it couldbe the business guy or girl or nobody
has this together one hundred percent.They just don't. It's human behavior.

(57:38):
You can't be a perfect individual.Impossible. The art of perfecting yourself is
mastering yourself. When you master yourself, that just means you've learned the basics.
It's always an ongoing conversation with yourself, and we have to continue to
move forward and stop ours thinking.Thinking. Now, there's a reason why

(58:02):
the rearview mirror is so small,right, and if you're gonna look out
the windshield, it's vast for areason. Even when you're looking back,
your neck hurts. Don't do that. Don't do that. And when you
when you have a thought that's bad, sit in it. Just don't state

(58:24):
it. It's okay not to beokay. And and everybody thinks that,
oh, I have to live thisperfect life. Nobody has a perfect life.
I don't care who it is.Nobody, celebrities. Oh the celebrities
are worse. Yeah. Yeah,I mean you think about all the stuff
that's going on just in Hollywood now, Oh my goodness being said, and

(58:46):
all these things. I was justlistening to some stuff about a very well
known minister, pastor or whatever,and I gotta tell you something. I
saw a video and this is aperson, This is a person that honestly
had me in awe. I watchedhim. I watched him like the white

(59:09):
went on the stage and he wasn'tthere, and I watched him walk from
the nosebleed seats all the way downin the stage, and as he was
talking, I was just like,WHOA. Because I want to say,
at least twice the bucket went outfor money went out and people are like,

(59:36):
oh yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah yeah. And I saw a
video a couple of weeks ago,and we're talking about a place where it
holds thousands of people. There waslike twenty people in the audience because of
all of these stories that are comingout, and I was just like,
not there you go coming to conclusions, become the conclusions anymore. I just

(01:00:00):
refuse to because there's always things goingoff the stories. I don't know if
these things are true about anybody.That's why don't come to conclusions, because
everything could be pieced together to makesomebody look bad, or it can be
true. I don't know. Ijust want to be I just want to
be a truthful person. I'm notone hundred percent. I'm like eighty twenty

(01:00:22):
Now eighty percent, I'm like onpoint twenty percent. Yeah, it's they
gotta move shot in my head.But it's always it's always a new conversation.
How can I be better than whoI was ten minutes ago. I
used to compare myself to who Iwas twenty years ago, and it used
to depress me. Now I lookat that life and I was like,

(01:00:44):
I hated myself then when I wasspeaking, when I was traveling, you
know, talking about real estate andall this stuff. Man, this is
the only real estate you can ownthis, So you have to get out
of your thinking thinking, you know, and in my experience is like there's
so many people that have so muchlove in their heart and they're afraid to

(01:01:06):
show it because they think being vulnerablemakes you weak. That's not true.
Vulnerability is your strength. Vulnerability ishow people get to know you. However,
people can exploit your vulnerability. Andthat's one of the things where it's
like, you know, I'll neverstop being vulnerable because I know nobody's gonna

(01:01:30):
exploit my vulnerability. That's why Iwrote the book Everybody Pays a Big I
wanted to get all that nonsense outso nobody can hold it against me.
And it took me, and ittook me years to write years, you
know, just to get over,just to you're never gonna get over the
bad things that happen to you.You never will because they have thoughts.

(01:01:52):
Right, However, you could shrinkthe time that you think about when you
do the work. Right, Soif you have that fleeting thought, we
all have that, Oh here itcomes, it comes that mental freight train,
right, you know what deal withthe mental freight train? Look at

(01:02:15):
it. Sometimes that light at theend of the tunnel isn't the train it's
gonna run you over. It's actuallyyour calling, you're blessing. I like
that. I wake up with gratitude. There were many times I woke up
and I was just like, man, I can't go through this. I
can't go through this day. Ican't. I know it's gonna happen.

(01:02:35):
I know the pain that I'm gonnabe And now, yeah, I still
wake up. I'm in pain.But it's like, yeah, you know
what, been there, done that. Let's let's get up now. And
if I can't feel my leg,I'll sit there and I'll shake it out,
I'll rub it and I'll move itaround, and the like, oh,
the circulation is coming back. Okay, let's stay right and get up.

(01:02:57):
Yeah, get up, because ifyou're not up, you're down.
If you're not learning, you're dying. And I've been told I've been told
that. You know, I shouldhave been dead this time, or it
should have been dead that time.It's like, you know what, I
wasn't living at that time. Iwas in this mental torture. I was
okay to die. Nah, man, No, I was less brown.

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I was like, nah, yougot to move past that that chalk outline,
man, you got to keep aheadof that chalk outline. And keep
going. And he asked me onetime. He was like, he said
like, so what do you wantto do? Like as long and this
is where my head was, andthis is twenty twenty twenty. I was,
you know, going through these surgeriesand stuff, and I was like,

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I just want to have a millionpeople come to my funeral. And
he's like, well, explain that. I was like, well, because
then that means I influenced tens ofmillions of people. He's like, how
about influencing tens of millions of peoplenow? They don't even worry about the
funeral stay ahead of that chalk outline. And it's just different perspectives. Yeah,
and you you take these you takethese perspectives and you look at them

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and you develop your perspective online.And all I want to do is encourage
people to think for themselves. Yeah, just think different. Man. Don't
think like me, You don't thinklike you. Just think for themsell think
don't think me, no, becauseit's how can we How can somebody think

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like me? They're not me?Can somebody think like you? They're not
you? We all have these uniqueexperiences, no matter how tragic, no
matter how debilitating, that these thoughtsare we can overcome things that just requires
that work. It requires that firststep instead of looking at the whole staircase.

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Just take the first step, man, So take the first step.
Oh I love it. I gotchills on this whole conversation. I appreciated
everything that you said, and Ihope that someone that's listening gained some insight,
or at least enough insight to takethe first step wherever they are on

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their journey, just continue to moveforward. So thank you so much for
coming in, pouring into me,pouring into the listeners, and just just
being you, just being you.But before we get out of here,
please tell everyone where they can followyou on social media, your website,
any other information you want to putout there to people will let us know.

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Now the book is on Amazon.Everybody pays a big One Man's Entrepreneurial
Journey. All my social media becauseI'm not that original. It's Craig Zikowski
and Aig sootkov Sky. It's Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube and the

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Shaman from Jersey. That's what That'sthe next book, and that's pretty much
my life, right is optimizing whoI am? Okay, awesome, So
y'all hear that, go tapping withhim. I want to put all of
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posts some very inspirational things daily onsocial media, so check out his stories

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and any other other interviews and sessionsthat he has done. Are you still
looking to get on more podcasts andtell your story and things of that nature.
You are all right, y'all hearthat, so go tap in with
him so you can have him onyour show. But again, thank you
so much, sir for bracing Chroniclesof a Virgo platform with your beautiful spirit,

(01:06:41):
your presence and all of your wordsof encouragement. I appreciate you so
so much. Thank you so muchfor the opportunity to share my story.
Of course, thank you for listeningto an episode of Chronicles of a Virgo
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means the world to me as Iwant to continue to see you all priser
and grow. Please join me backnext Wednesday, where we will continue to
dive into more can it and empoweron conversations that we'll get you a step
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rising from those ashes and stay trueto here and know your girl loves you.

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Peace out,