Author & Journalist Richie McGinniss Discusses His Book "Riot Diet" and the State of America

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Unknown (00:09):
Questions, digging so sharp, feeling bad, layers head
in the heart.
Yeah, and you've done the,what's that guy's name, the Tim
cast that?

Richie McGinniss (00:23):
Yeah, too, right, yeah, yeah. I did that
originally, right after Kenosha,and then I don't know, I've been
on like, 15 times.

Chuck Shute (00:30):
That's amazing.
Does that doesn't sell?

I sold way more books with Megan than I did
with, oh, really, yeah, is this

Unknown (00:37):
book? This book is out for because I know I got, yeah,
it's out. Okay? It's out forsale so people can buy now.
Okay, that's great. Yeah,

came out on election day, and then the
second one will come out aboutsix months after this summer,
sometime.

Okay, oh, what's the next one? Called

Unknown (00:51):
Ride died two. Oh, okay, part

two. It's just a

sequel. It's the same story on the other side
of the political spectrum, andinstead of ending with Kenosha,
it ends with January 6. So,okay,

Unknown (01:01):
and then, yeah, so are you gonna have the, I don't even
know what you call them, likethe Tesla, right? It's like, I
don't

this is, yeah, they've been peaceful in DC, and
I can definitely talk aboutthat, like, just, it's a much
older population than duringBLM, yeah, a lot more like
federal employees and stuff likethat. But, yeah, it's been,
there's been a lot of protests.
It's but they've been largely,other than the fire bombing of
the Tesla dealerships, largelypeaceful. Well, there's a lot

Unknown (01:31):
of keen, of teeth, of keen, and what else are they
doing to the yeah, they're fine.
Yeah, I saw charges on fire and,like, yeah, a

lot of DC, Teslas with, like, I'm not with
Elon stickers on them now, sothey don't get they analyzed,

Unknown (01:47):
because a lot of people that bought Teslas, yeah,
liberal,

well, exactly.
And so was Elon. And right? Imean, that's, it's indicative of
the shifting sands of theparadigm right now, you know?

Unknown (01:59):
So then, what is going on? Because there's this other
the other thing that I see a lotof the phrase paid protesters.
So how? Yeah, protesters ofKenosha and Tesla and January.
How many are these paid or onlya few? I mean, number

one, people aren't willing to admit that on
camera. But number two, only, itwould only be a small handful.
It's the bigger question. Isless sexy, but it, it is. At the
heart of it is, who's actuallyfunding these things at the
organizational level? You know,so not necessarily that they're
paid, but they're giving themreimbursements for travel.

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They're getting the permits.
They're, you know, organizingthese things nationwide, in 50
different states. There's,there's a central organization
there. There's like, indivisiblea lot, you know, George Soros,
there was the accusation that hefunded riots in 2020 he wasn't
funding the riots. He wasfunding the bail funds that got
people out for, you know,committing violent crimes during
that time, and all theprosecutors who were basically

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giving carte blanche to theprotesters in these liberal
cities were also, you know,their campaigns were largely
funded by the sort of OpenSociety Foundation. So, so it's,
yeah,

Unknown (03:11):
okay, what is the can you sum up just or do you even
know, what is the point of allthese because I've been an
American citizen for my wholelife, 47 years. And I do
remember, I'm from Seattle, andI do remember the Seattle
protests in like, the 90s. Therewas some sort of world trade
thing and that kind of crazy.
And that was the first time I'dseen like, protests on TV. And I

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don't really watch the news, butit was such a big story that you
couldn't miss it, right? Andthen it was like, oh, okay,
that's weird. And then takes,like, 20 years later, now, all
of a sudden, there's protestsjust all the time. And there
were so many people thatprotested in the Tesla one
because it was on my news feed,on Facebook, like every other
post was like, hands off, youknow, blah, blah, blah, we're

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here. And I'm like, Okay, Idon't understand what is the
point of this. Like, I'm notsaying it's good or bad. I just
I don't understand the point ofall these chess I've never had
my mind changed by a cardboardsign or protest, or it's never
really swayed what I think. So,is it doing anything or I don't
understand? Well,

I cited the WTO protest in the Chaz chapter,
the Seattle chapter, becausethat was, there was the
Teamsters and the turtles whowere teamed up. And that's like,
you know, these blue collartruck drivers with the
environmentalists and thatcoalition of protesters. Goes to
show how, you know, back then,what a Democrat was, and, you

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know, blue collar workers and,like, far lefty, crunchy hippie
types. But the crazy thing aboutmy analysis of that, when I went
back and looked at all the newsreports, is the fact that the
New York Times was pro freetrade with, you know, the Thomas
Friedman's writing on the frontpage, and they wrote an article
claiming that the protestersthrough Molotov cocktails, and

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had to issue a correction lateron, saying that it didn't take
place. And that is alsoindicative of the paradigm shift
where the New York Times backthen was going in with an agenda
that the protesters were wrong.
And then you fast forward to2020 and it's completely flipped
on its head. Also thecorporations that were the ire
of the WTO protests, who aregoing to benefit from these free

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trade policies under, you knowthat Clinton was ushering in.
They were not in the crosshairsin 2020 they were actually, you
know, committing money to BlackLives Matter and black lives
matter related causes. And soyou saw this whole flipping
where corporate culture wasbacking, you know, Republicans
in the 80s under Reagan, andthen through the 90s, Clinton

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adopted a lot of the free tradepolicies that George Bush had
pushed forth in his term, andthen Bush, too inherited them,
and Obama really perpetuated alot of these free trade
policies. So over the course ofthat 20 year period that we're
talking about, between 1999 andend of 1999 and 2020 you had
kind of the merging of the twoparties into corporatocracy that

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you know really gave Trump theopportunity to win in 16 and 24
because the working class nolonger felt like they were
represented by the Democratparty in the way that they had
been in the past. And so likeregardless of what you think
about Trump, there is a paradigmshift that's taking place right

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now whereby the a lot of theworking class voters who were
lifelong Democrats, many of whomvoted for Obama, are now voting
for Trump, and that's reallyhard for the media to wrap their
heads around. You know thatthis, this orange MAN bad is
getting votes from people whowere Democrats for their entire
lives. But if you look at the2024 numbers, he made further

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inroads with minorities, withthe working class, with the
young people, and a lot of thathas to do with the fact that
Kamala Harris ran on a platformof business as usual in DC,
whereas Trump in 16 and in 24ran as a change candidate. So I
even quote Bernie Sanders in thebook saying, Oh, they're going

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to ship 3 million Chinese jobsover to China. Working Class
votes, working class guys aregetting jobs shipped overseas.
And if you know that taken outof context, you might think that
was a Trump quote in 2024 and sothe far left, the pro labor left
and mag or right actually have alot in common as far as what

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they view to be the selling outof the American worker.

Unknown (07:39):
Yeah, I mean, I seen a lot of those clips I've seen
Bernie and I think Schumer andPelosi, like a bunch of those
Democrats, like years ago,talking about free trade and the
problems with it, and shippingthe jobs and all this, and now,
like they're doing the and it'sthe same with immigration, by
the way, if you look at

Yeah, the Nativists were The original
Obama were far left, far leftNativists were, you're lowering
wages.

Unknown (08:04):
Obama did the most deportations. And it's funny,
the guy that Tom Holman, humanguy, whatever. That guy, yeah,
Tom Holman, he seems a littlebit kind of crazy, like a little
bit too into his job that workedfor Obama, and Obama gave him an
award for supporting so manypeople or something. So, I mean,
it's just, it's interesting. Ifeel like you kind of know what

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the Republicans stand for, andthen it seems like the
Democrats, like it's a littlebit of confusion. It just seems
like they are just the oppositeof whatever Trump is doing.
Yeah, I think that is verystrange to me. Rather than just
holding to your principles andgoing, oh, like, because there's
got to be some things that, youknow what? Actually, we both
agree on this. Let's worktogether. And you're just not
seeing any of that in Americaanymore. Like, I don't know,

(08:48):
yeah,

no, you're right. It's reactionary. And I
think both the right and theleft are guilty of abandoning
their principles in favor of,well, if they're doing that,
then we're going to do this. ButI also talked about that in the
book, moving into DC in 2008 Iwas knocking on doors for Obama
in Virginia. I was pro freespeech and anti war. And I went

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from NBC News to Mark Levin,who's a conservative radio guy.
And over the course of you know,the eight years from 2008 to
2016 those views of being profree speech and anti war really
like kind of changed parties.
Yeah, right. I'm not sayingthat. I'm not saying that I
would ascribe myself to beingright. But you know, I still, I

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still hold those principles. Andit seems to me that the
Democrats abandon a lot of that,you know, in favor of kind of
what the unit party wants to do.
But you're right. It's like,it's very hard. Their platform
has been eroded so much byTrump's change platform that

(09:53):
you're they, they're largelyjust the Never Trump party. Now,
yeah,

Unknown (09:57):
no, I agree exactly.
I'm the same way. Um. With theanti war and the free speech.
And then I think the third thingthat I always felt that I was,
I'm in a registered Independent,just so everybody, because
everyone always tries to labelme, and they I do. I know you've
said the same thing. They try tolabel you, Oh, yeah. Or they try
to you call me or whatever, butlike you're in the middle. I've
been called all the above. Yeah,me too. So I'm an independent,
but I, like a lot of my familythinks I'm like, this Red Hat

(10:20):
Trumper, because a lot of mystances that are, I feel like,
are pretty moderate, and so freespeech. And what was the other
thing you said anti war? Yeah,thing that I always thought was
like, was something that I wasvery far left on, was like, We
need way more regulations onfood, on the FDA. I think the
FDA is terrible. They do, yeah,and all the medical industrial

(10:43):
complex, the pharmaceuticalcompanies. I was like, that's
the left thing, isn't it? Andit's like, no, it's now
conservative. What?

Well, the irony there is like that during
2020 and during the whole COVIDScare, you know, Trump was pro
vaccine. Trump was right outthere on the podium, right
behind Anthony Fauci. But thefact of the matter is going back
to what I was talking aboutoriginally. It's, it's really a
question of who is skeptical ofthe system writ large. And I do

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think that the right is taking,you know, like with the term
deep state, that was coined by aguy who uh, Peter Dale Scott.
He's a Canadian from Berkeley,California. He moved to
Berkeley, California. He's hewrote all about 911 and he wrote
about the deep state under thePatriot Act. And bush and I was
reading books in the early 2000sby this guy, Peter Dale Scott,

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and he coined the phrase deepstate. And so that was a phrase
that was coming from theskeptical left who was skeptical
of the entire militaryindustrial complex that was
being built up after 911 and nowit's like some right wing term.
And I think the same thingapplies to the medical
industrial complex, where youknow big pharma, the corporate

(11:58):
oligarchy that exists there, andtheir special interests in DC,
and how much you know DC isintertwined with what's going on
with our our medical system.
Yeah, it's now, I guess that's aright thing. It used to be like
a hippie granola thing.

Unknown (12:13):
Yeah, it's weird. It does seem like the parties have
switched, like, all those, likeold school Democrats, like the
anti war, like hippie peoplelike, it seems like, I don't
know that they're necessarilyall Republicans now, but it
seems like their values alignmore. But then you I think
there's a lot of people thatthink that they're Democrat and
they're and they're becausethey're that old school hippie
anti war like, I think they'reon the wrong team, or are they?

(12:36):
Yeah, they just have

personal animus for the Orange Man, you
know? And so that really coloredso much. That's

Unknown (12:42):
what I tried because I tried to figure out. I was like,
Okay, what is this Tesla? So Iwas asking people on Twitter,
which was a terrible idea,asking what Tesla protests
about, and, like, people like,billionaires don't pay their
fair share. And I'm like, okay,but like, you know, there's a
way more billionaires on theleft than the Right, right?
Yeah, they raised way moremoney. And there's a lot more

(13:02):
money on the left, or there was,I don't know. Now, it's, maybe
it's shipped, yeah, well, peoplelike Bezos and Zuckerberg that,
they're like, oh, okay, themoney. Everyone's Republican.
I'm a Republican too. Now, yes,

and that's, that's the shifting of the Sands
there, which is, like, you know,I think in 2016 it was very
counterculture to be Maga. And,I mean, the numbers showed that,
you know, and out at BLM, like,I had a moment in chapter five
when I'm in New York, wherethere are 5000 people protesting
on behalf of BLM. They have theentire corporate media

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establishment behind them, andaside from maybe Fox News and,
you know, New York Post but, andthere's one Trump supporter out
at this protest, you know, witha Trump sign. And I'm like, Who
here is counterculture. But nowin 2024 that Trump won the
popular vote, you do see SiliconValley has done this 180 and

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they're like, Oh yeah, actually,conservatives were allowed on
our platforms, like, oh yeah.
Sorry about all that stuff in 26and I was working at a Daily
Caller in Trump's first term.
And I mean, objectivelyspeaking, I was running a video
outlet, so a lot of people on myteam were lefties, but
objectively speaking, we weregetting censored. We were having
our content. The reach waslimited on places like Facebook,

(14:18):
because if you put the wordsstolen an election side by side
in 2020 after the election,you'd get a strike. But if you
did that in 2016 with Russia,Russia, Russia, you know, that
was totally fair game. So therenow Silicon Valley doing this
about face is it's interestingto me, because they were
definitely stepping on the scalepreviously. But I think the more

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that if history, the last eightyears, have shown anything, it's
the more that you try to forcethis stuff into the dark corners
of the internet, the moretraction that it's going to
gain. Because it's like peoplelook at it and say, Wait, you
know, why is it that we weren'tallowed to question anything
regarding this brand new vaccinethat they were rolling out?
Like, aren't we allowed to dothat in the town square? Like.

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Or not, you whatever, whereveryou stand on the medical front,
it's like, at least you shouldagree that we should have be
able to have a conversation outin the light, out in our town
squares, today's town squares.

Unknown (15:13):
No, I agree. I thought the best clip, I think I saw was
Jimmy doors bit about, you know,doing your own research. Like,
you know, it's like that used tobe cool reading, you know, like
when

you critical thinking was like a classical
liberal enlightenment value, andnow

Unknown (15:26):
that's, like, that's like a right wing, yeah, not nut
case thing. I don't know it's,though, it's a very strange
world that we live in, and Ifeel like the media just throws
fuel on the fire from both ends.
Like, if you're on snooze,you're gonna, it's gonna rile
you up, and if you're on MSNBC,it's gonna rile up the other
side. So, yeah, exactly. Do youthink there's any way out of

(15:46):
this? There's just the worldnow, because it's weird to me
that it's kind of like my buddywas saying sports is like year
round now, like, you know, like,NBA is like nine months and then
there's, like, the draft, freeagency, you know, like, there's
just, like a year round thing.
And I feel like that's politics,because you saw AOC and Bernie
Sanders on the campaign trail.
Well, there's not a presidentialelection for four years. It's

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not a midterm for two andthey're already out there. I
mean, it's a little early, don'tyou think it

definitely is.
But I also think, you know, wego through ebbs and flows in
American history as far aspolitical participation goes,
and as far as how much therespective two party system is
riled up on this side or that.
So that's why I cite WilliamJennings Bryan in 1896 because
during the Gilded Age the late1800s the Republicans dominated

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the presidency for like 3040,years, and the Democrat Party
was the party of the South, andthat that shift started. It was
initiated by William Jennings,Bryan who lost a McKinley. But
he was this 36 year old darkhorse candidate who ran on a
platform of the average he had afamous speech at the DNC called
the cross of gold speech, wherehe said, You guys are crucifying

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the average American worker andfarmer on this, this gold
standard, this cross of gold,because it didn't allow them the
capital to keep their businessesrunning, or to, you know, start
new businesses and beentrepreneurial. And so FDR, 30
years later, kind of inheritedthat platform of converting the
Democrat party from the party ofthe south to the party of the

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working class. So I think if youlook back in history, we've been
through these kinds of momentsof really broad inequality
between the rich and the poor,and also secondarily, that
economic strife providing anopportunity for this party or
that party to reinvent theirplatform and to appeal to the
worker who's been gettingscrewed over for X number of

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decades?

Unknown (17:41):
Yeah. I mean, it does seem like the workers of because
I remember, like, in the 80s and90s, it just seemed like people
could buy a house, like mostfamilies lived in a house. You
know, maybe it wasn't like amansion or whatever and big
house, but you were able to buy,like, a two or three, four
bedroom house and have yourfamily and have and it just
seems like that is going away.
Like, it's hard to get a house,and then people don't. A lot of

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people don't even own cars. Iused to drive for Uber and I'd
pick up people with it wouldhave their groceries and stuff,
and their family. They don't owna car, so they're using Uber to
get groceries and do theirerrands. Yeah,

I mean, kids like my age and younger, I'm 35
they view that as, like, I mean,I've always, I'm like, I have to
have my car. I have to, that'smy independence, in my view, me
too. Yeah. Me too, yeah. And soI have to have a vehicle of some
sort. I didn't have one forlike, six months in DC, and I
was pulling my hair out stuck inthe city. But they view that,

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you know, the car insurance andthe maintenance and all that,
they're just like, I wouldrather just get a Zip Car when I
want to go out of town and, youknow, Uber every other time, or
whatever, use the metro. But Ido think that's like a lot of
what we're witnessing right now,the clash between urban and
rural voters, between voters whohave college education and who

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don't, between men and women.
You know, there's a lot ofdiffering, different lifestyles
that are, I guess. You know, oneis more copasetic with the with
the modern information age thanthe other, and that's why I
think a lot of these ruralvoters and younger people who
feel like they can't buy a houseare getting activated to go to
the polls.

Unknown (19:19):
Yeah. Do you think their strategy is to, I mean, do
they think that, they think thatthey will be able to afford
because I've heard people thatare like, Bernie Sanders
supporters are like, no, ifBernie wins, then we're all
going to be able to affordhouses and cars. And I'm like, I
don't think that's accurate,because he's talking more of a
democratic socialism, which, ifyou look at those countries, a

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lot of those countries, thepeople don't own cars, houses
and stuff. I mean, yes, theyhave free health care, and they
have a living wage and all thisother stuff, but they don't own
a lot of the stuff. They're muchmore dependent on banks and
stuff well,

and in both books, I you know, there's this
term like, Oh, uh, Westerncivilization, um. I think that
America is really different fromthe old world, from what we
would call the Old West, becauseI view it not as like Republican
and Democrat, as the twotraditions that kind of drive
America forward, becauseobviously those oscillate based

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on which classes and which partsof society each party
represents. It's really thehillbillies and the Puritans.
It's like the Puritans cameover. They settled the Mass Bay
colonies and the coastal cities.
They created the laws. Theyestablished a system of law and
order. And then the hillbillies,the Scotts, Irish originally,
they came in. They were poor, sothey went out to the frontier,

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and they carved out thefrontier. And so the
hillbillies, you know, they wantto remain independent, and they
kind of don't like, you know,over regulation, and they don't
like the government telling themwhat to do. And then the
Puritans like their law abiding,and they say, Hey, follow the
law. You know, it's not likespecific to any race so much as
it is, hey, you know, I want myfreedom or I want my safety. You

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know, those, those are reallythe two. I think you saw that
play out in the streets in 2020,for sure, yeah?

Unknown (21:08):
But I think that the problem is, is that it's like
the definition of freedom,right? Because I think, yeah,
right, claims, oh, we have morefreedom. We're freedom of
speech, freedom, yeah, afirearm. And then the left says,
Well, no, we're the FreedomParty, because we you can have
an abortion and you can have asex change, like, you know,
we're more for trans rights andall these other things. And so
it's an interesting, like,dichotomy, I don't

know, yeah, it's not, it's, it's not cut and
dry, as far as, yeah, whether ornot one party represents the
hillbillies or the Puritansmore. So obviously, the Puritans
are the ones who say, Oh, youknow, no gay marriage, because
they're, you know, religious anddogmatic, and so they're
socially conservative. Soobviously, yeah, we're kind of

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split right now, where a lot ofpeople, I think, also though
Maga is not like Reagan'sRepublican Party, where they are
less concerned with socialissues. And I'll say that with a
caveat, this whole culture wararound gender ideology, I think,
has been a major galvanizingpoint where, you know, obviously

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the Christians are saying, youknow, this is too far. But then,
like a lot of the average like,especially like white male
voters. I mean, look at how theyvoted in 2024 not a lot of them
are Christian or like, oh, Idon't believe that that, you
know, gay or transgender peopleshould have the right to this,

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or that they're more like, Hey,I don't want you to tell me that
I have to use this new genderlanguage, or whatever they're
like, I just want to return tonormalcy. So I think there's a
lot at play as far as like,which party represents what
right now, but I will say thatthe Maga wing is is not overtly

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that Christian conservativeblock that it was originally.
Obviously, they brought in a lotof other groups as well. Groups
as well. So it's a strangecoalition. And then the
billionaires is a whole notherthing, with Elon coming in and
Chuck Berg, well,

Unknown (23:08):
they try to, it seems like the media tries to say that
Republicans and mega and allthat, and Trump hate gay people,
and they're going to put gaypeople in camps and all this
stuff. And again, people thinkI'm mega, and they think I don't
like gay people or something.
I'm like, I've had tons of gaypeople on my show. I love gay
people. Like, I love all people.
But it is weird because there'sthis thing, like, I don't if you
saw the clip last night, BernieSanders on Anderson Cooper, and

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this woman, they said, Yeah, shehas a question. And then she
goes, actually, it's, I usethey, them pronouns. And Bernie
Sanders makes this face, like,yeah, you so confused. And so I
think there is this thing whereit's, like, some of that stuff
has gone too far for the averageAmerican voter. I'm just, I did,

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wouldn't you agree? Like, just,yeah. And I think, well, and
then yeah, it all goes back tonot anti gay that I

yeah, I would agree with that. And, you know,
I've, I've worked across thespectrum and media. I've worked
on the left, I've worked on theright. I've been out at protests
on the right, extreme right andon the extreme left. And I
think, you know, generally, ifyou actually, like, meet these
people, they're, I mean, theproud boys are an extreme right

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group. But there were, like, youknow, they're and they were
called racist, but they werefounded by a black guy, or not
founded. They were run by ablack guy, Enrique TARIO, half
black, half Puerto Rican orDominican, no Cuban. Sorry, but
you know that the idea thatlike, like, Dave Rubin is a
prominent conservative Magainfluencer, and he's gay,

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another former Democrat, yeah,and Trump is a former Democrat,
exactly. So Elon and TulsiGabbard and yeah, yeah, yeah. So
certainly Trump got theChristian vote because he was
viewed as, okay, well, he's moreconservative than the other
option, but I don't think Trump.
If you look at his track record,as he's, he's appointed
conservative judges, but if youlook at his own life, I mean,

(25:04):
the dude was remarried multipletimes. Obviously, there's
accusations of Indi. He's, youknow, from New York, and

Unknown (25:15):
he used to be pro choice. Now he says he's pro
life. But for the exceptions,he's,

but he's back back, back, tracked on that for
sure. Yeah, it is

Unknown (25:24):
just interesting to see. So do you feel like because
that was a big thing that Ijust, I, every time I see it, I
just, I kind of laugh and I kindof go, Okay, I'm not saying
there's zero white supremacy inAmerica, but when Joe Biden says
white supremacy is the biggestproblem in America, and, like, I
guess I just don't see itpersonally. Maybe it's where I
live, or maybe it's the peopleI'm interacting with online. I'm

(25:46):
just not seeing a lot of quote,unquote white supremacists.
Like, yeah, you're out there inthe streets, you're out.

I've seen them. I've seen them. Patriot
front is a new one that theywere out. Many of those are
feds, by the way, that's funny.
I actually, the last time theywere out in DC, I went up to
him, and it was when cash Patelwas up for his FBI directorship,
for the nomination, and I askedthem, Do you guys support cash
Patel for FBI director? Andthey're like, No, we don't,
because he's Indian. And I waslike, well, he's American, but

(26:13):
okay, he's ethnically and theywere like, we only believe in, I
mean literally, whitesupremacists. They were like, We
believe in European whiteAmerica. You know, with that
being said, it used to be likethe ADL who was defending these
guys to go out in the streets.
And now, obviously the ADL andthe left are, I guess, less on

(26:37):
the pro free speech side andmore on the pro censorship side.
But as far as, like, whitesupremacy being, you know, this
resurgence under Trump, I dothink that, from what I see
online, from what I saw in thereplies when I interviewed those
guys, yes, they are emboldenedby Trump. But Joe Biden, you

(26:59):
know, saying that that's thebiggest threat in America is
detached from reality and as faras every people's everyday lives
go. And secondarily, you know,the whole BLM thing, it was tied
around this idea that blackpeople were indiscriminately

(27:22):
targeted at much, much highernumbers than white Americans.
Historically, that has been thecase. But if you look at like
numbers from the 2010 sinceObama came into office, it's
simply not the case as far asunarmed individuals being killed
by officers based on their rightrace, and you saw Joe Biden's
FBI was cooking the numbers theymade white defined as also

(27:46):
Hispanic. And so the FBI wassaying, Oh, look at how high the
murder rate is under. You know,for white Americans, like, look
this points back to thisnarrative that white supremacy
is and white people areextremely violent. But the fact
of the matter is, they rolled inHispanics with the whites to
make it look like the whiteswere more violent. So, like,
that's the problem that we facetoday. Is that, okay, we're

(28:08):
gonna say that white supremacyis the worst threat to America,
because Trump in January 6, thatties into our best opposition
to, you know, keeping him out ofoffice and keeping his
supporters down. But like, ifyou look at, I mean, even after
four years of Joe Biden sayingthat more black Americans voted
for Trump than any Republicancandidate in 48 years, and so,

(28:34):
like I was saying earlier, themore that you try to pull the
wool over the eyes of the publicwith the internet age, you know,
you can only do that for solong. The same thing that was
happening at the border, oh,immigration is not a problem.
The border is not a problem.
Well, that finally became aproblem when they showed up by
the millions in Democrat runcities across the country, like
New York, and people werefinally like, Oh, now it's

(28:56):
affecting me in my backyard. Idon't want a migrant shelter in
next to my dog park in Williamor in my dog park in
Williamsburg. So now, all of asudden, I'm mad about it, but I
was at the border in 2021watching people come in through
the gaps in the in the borderwall, and asking them. Every
single one said, Yeah, I'mcoming now because Biden is
president, and I know that I'llhave a much easier time getting

(29:16):
into the country. I don't blamethose people for taking that
we're open for business sign andcoming up. I mean, actually,
they made tremendous sacrificeto do it. And it's there's
something very American abouttaking tremendous risk and
sacrifice to venture to a placewhere you think you will, you
will have opportunity. So allthat to say, the Democrats have

(29:39):
been screaming America as thisterrible place. It's racist,
it's horrible. But then at thesame time demonstrating through
what happened at the southernborder, that people still want
to come here for a reason, andthese people are largely brown
people, yeah. And so like, ifit's that bad, then why are they
coming here?

Unknown (29:56):
So because, just numbers wise, I was trying to
Google it. I can't. Find it, butI feel like I looked it up
before, or maybe I need to typein a different number. But like,
how many people, like, I knowwhite supremacy is not zero
Americans, but like, how manypeople we talk in here? Because,
I mean, this, this is, like,less than 1% of 1% of the
population is, is a, you know,white supremacist, right? Or, I

(30:19):
don't know, do you know? Do youknow? I mean, yeah,

if you look at Patriot front, it's not a big
group. Yeah, they're in the theylook like 1000s, 10,000

Unknown (30:27):
polo shirts, which is exactly how feds. I mean, it's a
little suspicious. It's

weird. You know, this is the same thing
with Antifa or with the proudboys. It's like most of those
people, the overwhelmingmajority, are just truly
disaffected people who have andI'm not justifying the
ideologies. I'm not justifyingthose people coming into the
streets, but to understand whyit's happening, you have to

(30:53):
examine these questions. Sopeople are always like, oh, you
know, like you're saying thatjust because they're poor, that
they can, you know, go out andRiot. I'm like, No, I'm not
saying that, but I am saying,like overwhelming majority of
the people that I saw out in thestreets for BLM, wearing black
block with umbrellas and gasmasks, fighting against police,
there are younger kids who feellike they don't have the job

(31:13):
prospects that their parentsdid. They're living in their
parents basements. Like thestereotype that's actually true,
you know, and I document that inthe book. But then also on the
right, it's the same thing. It'sa bunch of, you know, younger
Americans, and in this case,white ones, who are like, Oh,
our jobs are being taken becauseof unfettered immigration. And

(31:36):
so on both sides, all it takesis, like a couple of people
infiltrating those groups to,you know, sway things in one
direction or another. Sohistorically, whether it's the
Black Panthers or it's the proudboys or it's Antifa or the
Patriot front, it'd be naive tothink that our domestic law

(31:59):
enforcement agencies, andpotentially like places like the
CIA, who do operate domesticallyas history turns out, it'd be
naive to think that they're notdoing some degree of monitoring
and infiltrating. And when I wasin Kenosha in August of 2020 it
didn't come out until the trialfor Kyle Rittenhouse for the

(32:21):
murder trial, but she wasacquitted on all charges. But
turned out in the trial thatthey were flying an FBI Cessna
above us with infrared cameras,and they also had a drone that
was flying over the shooting andwe didn't learn about it until a
year and some months later. Butif they have intelligence in the
sky. They definitely have it onthe ground, too. So my question

(32:43):
is, is, if they have thatintelligence and the whole city
is burning, why are theyallowing that to take place?
That is very resources. Yeah,that is

Unknown (32:52):
very suspect, because and then they say white
supremacy is is the biggerproblem, but didn't more damage
be damage done and people losetheir lives because of the BLM
protests, as opposed to thewhite supremacy protests or
whatever.

Yeah, and you see definitely, I mean, if you
look at in terms of the totaldamage, it's billions of
dollars. Minneapolis itself wasthere were multiple deaths, and
that was the worst riot in termsof singular riot, in terms of
property damage, other thanRodney King and the some other

(33:30):
ones after MLK, hisassassination also rivaled it.
But if you look at like 1968versus today, and you look at
race relations in America Byevery metric, we're on a better
standing than we were back then.
And so when you you know theDemocrat party since the 60s and
since the Great Society, havebeen the party of civil rights.

(33:52):
But now I think you know, yousee ways in which Democrat run
cities across America have notseen like, places like Baltimore
or Detroit, they haven't seenthe positive benefits of voting
Democrat for 40 years until,yeah, a lot of people are like,
stepping outside the box,specifically black men in the

(34:13):
last election, who are saying,well, hasn't been working going
this way. So I'm just going togo, whatever is not that, and
it's really hard for likelefties to wrap their heads
around that. But ultimately, youknow, people have the right to
vote the way they want, and thepolls went the way they did. I
think just because, you know,the Democrats weren't really

(34:34):
offering much opportunity tochange the way the gravy train
is going,

Unknown (34:41):
Yeah, well, it does seem like both sides of the
political spectrum, thepoliticians are going to promise
things and try, you know, theirjob is not, unfortunately, it
should be the job to get thingsdone and make policies that
better the average American. ButI feel like their jobs are more
to get reelected. Yeah, thatseems to be, to me, what they're

(35:02):
I mean, like I said, AOC andBernie Sanders are already
campaigning, yeah,

living in DC for 17 years, I've become acute,
acutely aware of, you know, whatit takes to get reelected, and
it's, it all comes down to, theyspend a huge amount of their
time, these congressmen,soliciting donors and raising
money. I mean, a massive, muchmore time than they than they
should be spending. Yeah, and alot of that comes back to the

(35:26):
special interests, whether it'sthe pharmaceutical lobby or it's
the gun lobby, the gun lobby orthe military industrial lobby or
big tech, you know, all of thesereally, really powerful forces
are pulling at the purse stringsof these congressional
candidates, and it has a lotmore to do with the money of

(35:48):
those special interests gettingreelected that is than it does.
You know, really like bringingpositive change for your
constituents?

Unknown (35:56):
Yeah, no, for sure, and that, yeah, that's all those
things scare me. I mean, I thinkI've heard that the two most
profitable things are war andand sick people like, if you
like, that is how a lot ofworld, our money is going a lot
of it. And

people always cite and I, I have my own
thoughts on, you know, guns. Ialmost got shot by Kyle
Rittenhouse. The first bulletwent past my legs. But the laws
are written, written the waythey are. I'm not from
Wisconsin. I didn't, you know,vote for anybody who wrote the
laws there, but I was there, andso I had to testify on what I

(36:32):
saw objectively, regardless ofwhat the laws say. But with
respect to gun control,everybody says, Oh, the gun
control lobby has so much powerin DC. Well, the, in actuality,
the pharmaceutical lobby and themilitary industrial lobby and
the lobby for things like, youknow, Silicon Valley, like for

(36:55):
Google, they're all throwingway, way, way, way more money.
We're talking about, like, ifyou look up the top lobbies in
America, gun control, is wait onthe list, or, you know, places
like the NRA and stuff likethat, these groups that lobby on
behalf of gun control. So it's,I guess, people have an idea in
their head about what it is thatkeeps the keeps the pockets

(37:22):
greased in DC and like he's,like we were talking about
earlier, if you look at war andour health care, I mean, those
are the two most powerfulsystems, and I don't know, I've
always been skeptical. My dadwas a doctor. My brother's a
doctor, but for that reason, andhaving a look on the inside,

(37:43):
I've always been very skepticalof what it is that motivates
doctors, like, why do they doinvasive surgery? Well, it makes
them a lot more money than amore therapeutic approach that's
non invasive. And the same goesfor, you know, drugs,

Unknown (37:57):
yeah. Well, we spend more on health care than any
other country, and we're thesickest. So that doesn't really
make any sense. It does, though,if you look at, I mean, in terms
of making money, it makes sense,profit incentives, yeah, profit,
it makes sense. But in terms of,like, Yeah, I mean, I like to go
to the doctor, I like to gettheir opinion, and then I like
to kind of make my own decision,because I think a lot of people

(38:18):
will just, they'll take thepill, they'll jump, they'll go
to the pill and or they'll go tothe surgery. And I think a lot
of times you can, you can doother things to or, you know, a
lot of it too, is preventativecare. There's no talk
preventative care ever. No oneever talks about that. When
COVID hit, I was like, Okay,this is when they're gonna get
on. They're gonna say, Okay, ifyou guys exercise and you get

(38:40):
sunshine and you eat red, you'regonna, you're gonna be able to
handle this virus better. Theynever said, I never, I watched a
ton of those press conferences.
I never heard Fauci or any ofthose guys saying anything like
that.

Yeah, that's correct. That's definitely true.
And it's, it's also, I guess,the most interesting thing for
me during COVID was the way inwhich, you know, this idea of
sit down and shut up and lockdown and listen to, you know,

(39:12):
put your mask on and shut up andfollow the rules that was
endorsed wholesale by in allthese Democrat cities that I was
visiting for the BLM stuff, youknow, and Bill de Blasio was
saying things like, protestingfor black lives is effectively.
What he said is 400 years ofslavery is more important than

(39:35):
religious services. So he'ssaying you can't go out to
church, but you can go out toprotest because that's more
important, and it's justsurprising for me, because,
like, I, you know, I, I alwaysviewed the Democrat party as
being skeptical of, you know,the big government telling you
how to what to do with yourbody.

Unknown (39:57):
Yeah, it does seem like there's some hip. Democracy
there for sure, like, it'sconfusing too, because I had a
lot of friends. I'm fromSeattle, but I live in Arizona
now, and I had a lot of friendsthat they were real strict in
Washington and being lockeddown. And these are, these are
who are very liberal, and theywere not happy about the
lockdowns. And they were alsonot happy about that you needed

(40:18):
a vaccine to go out to dinnerbecause they they were skeptical
vaccine. These are people thatare, again, they're more like
hippie, liberal, like natural,organic foods and all that. They
didn't want to inject anexperimental vaccine into their
veins so that of a disease thatprobably wasn't going to kill
them anyway. So it was a littlebit confusing. I think they
almost seemed mega to me. And Iwas like, this

is, this is I often in in DC. I like to wear,
I used to wear fake news flopsuntil I lost them, just to, just
to get, like, a reaction. Like,you learn a lot. It's almost
like a straw poll. So I havethis hat that says unvaxed and
over taxed. And it's funny,because it kind of like it, you
know, between those twostatements people will take a

(41:00):
lot of times the lefties willsay, Oh, unvaxed. I appreciate
that. But, you know, I don'tthink we're over taxed. Or the
other day at Trader Joe's, thisguy was like, what does that
mean? Unvaxed over tax? And Iwas like, oh, you know, just
like, I'm skeptical of themedical industrial complex, and
I think we're overtaxed in DC.
And he was like, Well, I agreewith the overtaxed part. And so
like, you're right. Like people,like, they don't even really

(41:23):
know where they stand right now.
They're just like, okay, yeah,if it's Trump, it's awesome, and
if it's Trump, it's terrible.
And like, nobody's thinkingcritically outside the box and
being like, let me view thiswithout those preconceived
notions about Orange Man good ororange MAN bad. Well,

Unknown (41:38):
I just wish that both sides could look at at the other
side and say, okay, you know,let's, let's be objective. You
know what? Oh, you guys actuallydid something really good here.
I like this. Oh, you know what?
Like, you, you did somethingreally and then, and they would
look at their own party too, andgo, You know what, we fucked up.
Like, this was a bad thing.
Yeah, no, they're not gonna notdo that. They can. It is so good
in 2016 Yeah. You know whatpeople are gonna say, like, I

(42:00):
have people that are Die Hard,uh, Republican and Die Hard
Democrat. I already know whattheir stance is on on I don't
have to ask them questions,because I know they're just
gonna side with their party onevery question I ask them.

Yeah, it's true. No. I mean, having been in
DC for as long as I have, it'sit's really strange, because I
feel like I haven't changed onmy views, but the way that I'm
viewed from the outside, likeduring 2020 you know, it's, it's
like people just want to put youin a box. Yeah, that didn't used
to be the case in the same waythat it is now. Like there was a

(42:31):
much blurrier line between inred and blue than there is now.
And now, it's like part of yourtribal identity. Because, I
mean, just look at our localcommunities, our local
newspapers, they're beingeroded. And you know,
everybody's moving to bigcities, and everybody's because
they don't have their localcommunity and paper to read

(42:52):
every day and what's going on inthat community, and the
neighbors don't wave to eachother anymore. It's like you
attribute your identity withyour national political tribe,
rather than your localcommunity.

Unknown (43:01):
It's so true, and how much you think of that is
manufactured. Because I know youtalk about, you know, you used
to work at MSNBC and and TuckerCarlson started there along with
Rachel Maddow. They were trainedby the same person. I don't
think a lot of people know thatthey were both Rachel Maddow and
Tucker are friends, yes. And sothis is all. It's like, almost
WWE to me, what if you see Trumptalking to Obama and Chuck

(43:25):
Schumer and kind of palingaround with these people, and
you're like, wait a minute, Ithought they hated each other.
Well,

in the second book, I go through more of the
Maga stuff. I went to theborder. I went to Rudy
Giuliani's apartment to pick upHunter Biden's laptop in October
before the election. Wait, youwent to the you picked up? Yeah,
I went to Rudy's apartment. Thisstory, that chapter, is called
from looting to Rudy. I don'twant to give basically, what's

(43:51):
that? This is the next book.
Yeah, the next book, wow,because it picks up after
Kenosha. So it's, it's the Magaside of things leading up to the
election, and there's still someBLM stuff in there, but it
really tailed off after theafter Kenosha and after the
summer of love. But yeah, inOctober, we had interviewed Rudy
at his apartment right after theNew York Post story, and I'd

(44:13):
been trying to lobby to get thelaptop, and I just finished
recording mass looting inPhiladelphia. And that chapter
is called from looting to Rudy,because his assistant texted me
that morning after we'reliterally filming the rubble of
these riots in this shoppingmall in Philadelphia, and she's
like, Oh, you want to come toget the laptop, copy the laptop
on a hard drive. And I was like,yep. And so I drove straight

(44:35):
from the looting in Philadelphiato New York, and I got the
Hunter Biden laptop and droveback to the caller. But that's
another thing where it's like,if your political ideation was
like, Trump can't get back intooffice, then you had to say it's
Russian disinformation. But yousaw it firsthand, yeah, but I
saw it, and we verified thesmoking gun email of 10% for the

(44:55):
big guy. We verified that thatwas a legitimate email. That was
sent from Hunter Biden to therecipients. The metadata the
recipients, we confirmed allthat so it wasn't just like made
up by the Russians, as thenarrative said, from the 51
intelligence officials that cameout right before the election.
That story, which was nothacked, Hunter literally handed

(45:17):
it over his own laptop, signed adocument that said, Hey, you can
go into my laptop and repair it.
And then he didn't pick it up.
And the guy contacted himmultiple times, contact the FBI,
and then finally contacted RudyGiuliani, the laptop repairman.
But that censorship of the storyfrom the Twitter files and all
that that we've gathered, it wasjust like overtly had nothing to

(45:38):
do with the reality of what wason that laptop. It had to do
with keeping Trump out of officeand keeping this Russian
collusion narrative going. Andyou know, it's it's like this. I
cite many instances over thecourse of that time period where
the Trump administration andTrump himself acted like a nut
bag idiot, but at the same time,I'm not going to, like, sit

(46:01):
there and say, like, Oh yeah,you know, just because, you
know, it kept Trump out ofoffice and it was totally true
and yada yada yada. It's like,if you look at that with fresh
eyes, it's, it's crazy,especially with all the evidence
has come out since then. Soyeah, that the but the second
book all that to go back to whatI was saying earlier about the

(46:21):
left turning on Trump. Youmentioned him with Obama and
Schumer. I went to the SaturdayNight Live episode a year before
he won in November of 2015 whenSenate live had him on and
everybody was buddy buddy withhim, because he was a joke.
There were 17 candidates. Nobodythought he was going to he was

(46:42):
going to win. I saw the samething I saw in 2024 I was like,
He's the change candidate,Hillary's not this guy's going
to win, because people are madand they still want things
changed, even after Obamapromised hope and change, it
doesn't look like much changedafter the oh eight financial
crisis, as far as the way thatthings are run in this country
and who's benefiting? So Trump,you know, obviously the left

(47:04):
turn their back on him. He, allof a sudden became this horrible
racist once he became theprimary candidate and finally
won. But what I track in thesecond book, at the beginning of
the first book, I'm talking toJeff Zucker, asking him that
challenging question at NBC,when he was the president and I
was a production assistant on mythird day, that was fine, and
Zucker, soon after that, went toCNN. The most watched day in CNN

(47:27):
history was January 6, and JeffZucker was the head of NBC
entertainment when theapprentice picked Trump as their
go to billionaire guy, and theymade him into that that the myth
of Trump as the phenomenalbusinessman was born in the fake
boardroom that they built tomake Trump Tower look a lot more

(47:50):
glamorous than it was for theapprentice reality TV show. So I
go through all that in thesecond book, as far as like
Trump as this reality TV starthat was birthed by Jeff Zucker,
and then all of a sudden, JeffZucker in 2016 the highest
rating CNN had to date was 2016when they were never trumping,
and everybody was freaking out,and they were giving him all

(48:12):
this free air time. So it reallyin a weird way, the left, in the
way that they turned their backon Trump, and in the way that
they apoplectically screamed thefive, five alarm fire. For
years, they, they gave birth toTrump. You know, as as this,
like modern day businessman,tycoon.

Unknown (48:32):
It is weird. Like, do you think that the strategy is
starting to backfire? I mean,obviously they, yeah, definitely
this whole, like, whitesupremacist, Trump is a white
supremacist. Everyone that votedfor Trump as a Nazi, which would
mean that a majority of thecountry is Nazis. Like, I think,
I think that's a little bit hardto swallow for a lot of people
like you think that, because,again, it used to be the peace

(48:55):
loving hippie like, that is,like, that's something I can get
behind. But this whole, like,everybody's a white supremacist,
and I use they, them pronouns,it's a little bit confusing for
the average American.

Yeah, and you have the same thing on the
right, where everybody's acommie, if you're, you know,
have socialist leanings, orbelieve in yours, you know,
believe in a strong federalgovernment. You know, that
doesn't make you a communist.
With that being said, I'veinterviewed actual Communists
who have a hammer and sickleflag, you know, and actual
fascist Nazis who believe thatwhite people, those those groups

(49:28):
do exist, sure. But as far aslike the name calling that's
going on across the aisle, it'slike people just use these
pejoratives. I just wish theywould use terms like
authoritarian, because Trumpcertainly has authoritarian
tendencies, so did Obama. Butyou know, if you use more clear
language, yeah, then you're notgoing to get the same retweets
and clicks, because the outragemachine, the algorithms, favor

(49:49):
people who are hysterical oneither side,

Unknown (49:55):
yeah, and you think that's all by design, like as a
lot of this just for the mediato make. Money. Because, again,
yeah. CNN, biggest day was,yeah, January 6. Like, they just
want to stir shit up. I mean,don't you think that they are,
they kind of blood on theirhands, in a way, because with,
like, Kyle Rittenhouse and allthis stuff, like they started
all this, they stirred the poton all this shit,

yeah. Well, that's, that's certainly the
case that they definitelystarted the pot on all this,
this shit, and secondarily, youknow, having run business news,
businesses on these algorithms,YouTube, Facebook, Instagram,
Twitter, it's if your algorithmis based around keeping people
on a platform and keeping peopleengaged. Well, fear is a much

(50:39):
stronger motivator than love,and so you're gonna have to
appeal to the lizard brain inpeople, rather than the frontal
cortex that does all thethinking. So it, by design,
these algorithms keep peopleangry and online. And so, yeah,
that's a byproduct. You go intoone echo chamber or the other,
and you end up in this dugouttrench that says anybody who's

(51:01):
over the hill on the other side,in that other trench over there,
they're the worst people ever.
And let's all get together andlike, let's all confirm each
other's biases, and let's all beangry together. And it's really
difficult as somebody who's, uh,stood in between the two
trenches, you get blasted. Youget blasted big time. And when I
wrote the article, KyleRittenhouse is not a hero, he's

(51:23):
also not a white supremacist,because Joe Biden implied that
he's a white supremacist. KamalaHarris implied that,

Unknown (51:30):
right? Oh, they also, I mean, they tried to, they tried
to say, I mean, I don't like Calwritten as I'll be all the first
to say I'm not a fan. But theytried to say mass shooter. And I

was like, yeah. I mean, he almost exactly
that was ridiculous. And theamount of people after the trial
who said I thought that the guyshe shot were black, yeah,
because of the way that themedia portrayed it, and then it
took a trial to show the truthof the matter, because

he shot black people, yeah, yeah,

absolutely.
And I'm, I'm stuck in between,like number one. You know, I saw
Joseph Rosenbaum chase down Kyleright now, scream Fu and lunge
for his weapon. And then Kylefired four shots in rapid
succession as he dodged around.

Unknown (52:13):
And was that the one where he was falling back and he
and, no, that

was, that was the other guy, Anthony Huber,
the second man shot, he hit himin the head with a skateboard,
and then Kyle shot him in theheart, and I, and this is all
grizzly stuff, and it's like Iwas there and I tried to save
Joseph Rosenbaum's life. Ididn't know what his criminal
path was at the time.

Well, he deserved his die, obviously. Well, nobody

deserves to die like that, is what I've
said. But that's much to thechagrin of conservatives who,
because Kyle Rittenhouse iscalled a white supremacist,
they're saying, well, if they'regoing to call him this, then
we're going to call him a hero.
But you know, my experiencefirsthand with that whole
situation and with testifying onthe trial, it was like I was
very strong for the defense mytestimony, what I saw was

(53:03):
advantageous to the defense inso far as I saw this guy chase
after this kid who had a gun, Ididn't write the laws again, but
saw him chasing down. Hescreamed, F, U, the kid was
standing stationary after agunshot went off. After running
away, he turned around. Thegunshot went off, he turned
around and he's aiming 45degrees to the ground. This guy
continues to pursue him. Screamsafter you, lunges for the gun.

(53:25):
He dodges and shoots at the sametime, I told police that I
looked down at the time of theshooting, because I told them, I
looked down, I felt something gopast my legs. I was like, did I
just get effing shot? And Istamped my legs. And I was like,
No, I'm okay. And I ran over totry to help Rosenbaum, but that
part of my testimony was notgood for the defense, and they
wanted me to say I wasn't afraidfor my life in that moment, but

(53:48):
I was so on the one hand, I wasgood for the defense. On the
other, I wasn't. In Wisconsin,you can get acquitted of self
defense, but still charged withreckless endangerment of another
individual, which I was avictim, named victim named
victim in that trial, and was upto 15 years. So I knew that
saying that truth, that I wasscared I was under oath, I had
to say it, that could throw himin jail for years just because

(54:10):
of my testimony, and he could beacquitted of everything else.
And so I didn't want to saythat. To be completely honest, I
wanted the easiest path out thatwasn't going to have me looking
over my shoulder for the rest ofmy life, but the truth was the
truth. And so whether it wasJoseph Rosenbaum lunging, or
whether it was the bullet goingpast my legs, I was just like,

(54:32):
Yeah, this is what happened. Andwhen I wrote that op ed trial,
written house is not a hero.
He's also not a whitesupremacist. It was actually the
conservatives who came, who Ilost 1000s of followers, and I
got like, I got plenty ofthreats. Look, I'm not asking
for sympathy. I knew I waskicking the hornet's nest, but
the mere reaction to the Op Edproved the thesis, which is that

(54:56):
we've got complete, completelyin two completely. Opposite
direction, and I was actuallythere, and the two narratives
are this, sides missing this,and the sides missing that, that
point those things out. Yeah.

Well, I think, I think you're the hero for doing

Unknown (55:12):
I'm the idiot for following a 17 year old with an
AR 15,but I'm saying for writing that
article about how you know thathe's not a hero, but he's also
not a white supremacist. Like,we need to come back to common
sense and reason and noteverything is so black and
white, good versus evil, like itthe truth is somewhere in the
middle, I think that that's whatwe're missing. Because, like I

(55:33):
said, I think there's familymembers that think that I think
they hate me because they thinkI'm a white supremacist, because
they think I vote for Trump orwhatever, like, it is weird. It
is very and I think there's someof that going on the right to,
like you said, they call theother side commies and all this.
And so there's some of thatgoing on too, but it's just,
it's such a weird time thatwe're living in, and I don't
know how to get out of it, or ifwe ever will. Well,

I do think if you look at previous moments
like this in American history,obviously it's different with
the digitized with thedigitization of our discourse.
But with that being said, I dothink that, like, for example,
the Democrat party at some pointis going to have to go back to
the drawing board, if you know,if they're losing streak
continues, then votes or votes.
And so ultimately, I do thinkfrom this period of unrest, and

(56:19):
from the kind of destructivecreative you can call it
creative destruction. You cancall, I mean, you can call it a
number of things, but Trump'sbull in a china shop approach to
the federal government intoWashington DC is in the long
term, going to cause people onboth sides of the spectrum to
reassess the way that ourgovernment, quote, unquote,

(56:40):
serves its people, and toreassess the way in which you
know you are able to impartchange by taking to the streets
and by going to the polls. Iagree with you that, like a lot
of these protests, you're like,what is the what is the point?
You know you're not going to getTrump impeached or thrown out of
office, but, you know, just themere fact that there are that

(57:03):
many people out in the streets,not every single one of them,
not even a small minority ofthem are paid. They're just
going out there because they'rethey are mad and they want a
reason to go out and

Unknown (57:13):
protest. Yeah, I just don't think there to me. I just
don't understand the purpose andthe point it's like. And I think
this goes for both ways. I thinkthe people that stand outside of
those abortion clinics with thesigns or whatever, I'm like,
What the fuck are you doing?
Like, here's like, if you wantto, you're never gonna reduce
the number of abortions to zero,but if you wanted to, you know,
save a baby, why doesn't thatlady, instead of spending eight

(57:37):
hours holding a sign, why didyou spend eight hours and go
mentor a young girl, and thenmaybe you're going to prevent
her getting pregnant and thenhaving to have an abortion.
Like, what isn't that an idea?
Like, couldn't do things thatare more constructive and
positive to help each other? Ithink, because that's ultimately
what we're fighting for, right?
Is the betterment of a mankindand better things for everybody.

(57:59):
So wouldn't that be a better useof time?
I think that'd be an idealsituation
that, can we go viral? Like,see, no one's gonna watch this
interview. This will get like 20views. But like, if I know, if
you video, If I light myself onfire, right now, we would get
freaking.

(58:19):
Yeah, that's, that's not a badidea.

No, you're right, and it is. It's the
people who are, you know,throwing bombs, giving these hot
takes on Twitter and stuff.
Those are the ones who who getretweeted and go viral. So it's
like a common sense take is notgoing to go viral, although my
Op Ed did get millions ofclicks, but it was the hate,

(58:43):
right? Yeah, exactly. So yeah,and Joseph Rosenbaum committed
all kinds of crimes over thecourse of his life, specifically
sexual assault of minors, whichis a reprehensible and
completely inexcusable crime.

(59:03):
Now, when I cite this fact, Iget a lot of hey, well, you're
trying to justify it. I'm not,but I've spent years trying to
figure out why all this stuffhappened. And you can't ignore
the fact that Joseph Rosenbaum,who committed those crimes, was
sexually assaulted by hisstepdad at age 13, and the kids
that he sexually assaulted, someof them are in jail for the same

(59:24):
crimes. Kyle rittenhouse's Dad,the only time that he was
present, he obviously let his 17year old son go out to a riot
with an AR 15 which no wellbuilt conservative family is
going to do that. But the onlytime that he was present was
leaving drunken messages onKyle's lawyers answering
machine, and, or at least that'sthe only thing I've been able to

(59:46):
gather, as far as hisparticipation in the whole
thing. I didn't even know hisfather is so interesting,
though. Yeah, so his dad isabsent drunk. Anthony Huber, who
was shot in the heart, who hitKyle in the head with a
skateboard, his dad was absent,and he used. Skateboard is a
zolling solace, and that's whathe tried to use to hit Kyle
Rittenhouse before he was shot.
And Gage groskowitz, absentfather, and who was the third

(01:00:06):
man shot. His bicep was shotoff. I saw him in the hospital
right after I dropped off.
Rosenbaum, he had an absentfather. And then also Jacob
Blake, the man who started allof the riots when, well, the
riot started when he was shot bypolice, and Joe Biden and Kamala
Harris said he was shot seventimes in the back in front of

(01:00:28):
his family. Well, Jacob Blakehad a warrant out for his arrest
for assaulting his baby mama.
His baby mama called the police.
Said, my kids are here, andJacob Blake is back, and I feel
threatened, and with the warrantout for his arrest, the police
arrived. The video that wentviral showed Blake just jumping

(01:00:49):
out of police, the police'sgrasp, and he was shot four
times in the back and threetimes in the side. His kids were
in the car, but those the kidsthat his their mom had just
called the police, saying, Thisguy's, you know, a danger to my
family, and he was armed with aknife. And what the video
doesn't show is that he wastased twice before the video

(01:01:10):
picks up. So the police tasedhim twice. He's armed with a
knife. He's trying to get intothe car where the kids are,
where a police call with awarrant out for his arrest was
just made, saying, I'm afraidfor my safety and my kids
safety, and that Jacob Blake,his dad, only came out of the
woodwork to sue the city, to suethe police department for the
fact that his son was shot, buthe wasn't there for the entire

(01:01:34):
20 some odd years of his lifebefore that. Yeah.

Unknown (01:01:37):
I mean, I think these are the this is my thing. Is
like, I just feel like, and it'sthe same with the school
shootings and stuff. I just feellike we're not getting to the
root cause. I was a schoolcounselor for 17 years. I worked
so I worked with kids. I workedwith these families. I worked
with rich families and poorfamilies, families of all
different backgrounds and racesand all this stuff. But that is,
you're right, like that is ahuge factor. A lot of the kids

(01:01:58):
that I've worked with that werestruggling, it was from a single
parent household. And I'm notsaying all single parents are
bad, so don't know, I know me orwhatever, exactly, there's some
single moms that are justabsolutely amazing. There's some
single fathers that are amazing.
But it does, yeah, put a burdenon the kid, and it makes things
harder. And some kids can handleit, and some can't. Yeah. Some
kids really struggle. Yeah. Andwhen that is something to talk

(01:02:20):
about exactly,

Richie McGinniss (01:02:22):
it's not to say that a kid can't have a
single parent and not succeed.
It's like, not like they're notgoing to succeed, no. But with
that being said, when you havethe divorce rates being what
they have been for the last 30years, you have an entire
generation of people whomillions and millions of them
did, did face these challenges,and that's going to have an
outsized impact on the way inwhich you know those people

(01:02:45):
conduct themselves in theirfuture, when you have it
repeated over millions andmillions of times.

Unknown (01:02:51):
Yeah. And do you think it's interesting because we
shame we publicly shame racism,rightfully so. If people are
racist, we publicly shame themvery you know, that is so
terribly and I think we used toshame people for being, you
know, a single a single parent.
Oh, you know, that kid's abastard. That's It's a horror.
And then I feel like there wasthis shift in the 90s, like I

(01:03:12):
remember this as a kid, theMurphy Brown episode, where she
had a kid, and George Buchasaying Murphy Brown doesn't have
any morals. And everyone'sgoing, Oh, George Bucha, old
fogy, like you don't know whatyou're talking about. And now I
look back at that, and I go, Ithink he was right. Think he
might have been right,

yeah. And it's, it's like, it's like you
were saying, you know, you canhave compassion for people in
those circumstances. And also,you know, identify the fact that
parents should sacrifice somedegree of their personal
happiness. It shouldn't just belike, Oh, we hit some hardship.
And you know, because, you know,whatever, it's hard between my

(01:03:57):
my spouse and I, my personalhappiness is is really
important. And we, we've oursociety has become more and more
focused on personal happiness,as opposed to the preservation
of the family unit or thebuilding up of community. And so
because of that, or just be likecelebration, yeah, yeah, if you

(01:04:19):
don't want to now I'm powerful,and now everybody will celebrate
me, whereas if you're stablehome, it's like, that's not
worth celebrating, you know,right?

Unknown (01:04:30):
Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't think, I mean, I don't
know, shaming and judging, youknow, it's not the greatest
technique. But I'm just saying,like, there's something that is
an issue that I think needs tobe, that needs to be talked
about and looked about. And Idon't know what the solution is.
Again, I don't know that publicshaming. I don't know that
necessarily these single parentsshould just, we should force,
we're not going to force them toget remarried, obviously, or

(01:04:51):
whatever. But I mean, it's justsomething that we should talk
about, that this is an issue.
And again, I think with the withthe with kids and mental health,
the kids mental health. In thiscountry is, it's just the
anxiety and depression problemsare going through the roof. And
I think a lot of that, too, iswith social media. Like, I feel
like all this stuff ties in. Ithink we're on to media too
much. I think that there's,there's lack of connection, real

(01:05:13):
connection, with your family andwith your neighbors and with
your friends, not on socialmedia. Because I think social
media there has its place,obviously, like, you know, the
technology allows us, you and I,to have this conversation now,
but this is more real. Whereaslike interacting if I like your
tweet or whatever that's that'snot the same. It's not the real
world. Yeah,

I still coach the Georgetown hockey team, and
to see the extent they're moreworried about their digital
reputation than their real worldself and additionally, like, if
you're on these social mediaplatforms, you're seeing every
billionaire every celebrity, notonly are you seeing like how
they actually live and howprivileged their lives are and

(01:05:55):
how much money they have and thetrips and all that, but those
celebrities are also puttingfilters on all their content and
only showing you the bestaspects of their live lives.
They're not showing you, youknow, the more difficult things
that they're facing. And so youhave a bombardment with not only
like everybody that's doingbetter than you and everybody

(01:06:17):
that has better circumstances,you know, the grass is greener,
but also you can go on Twitterand have, you know, watch a guy
get punched in the head in somefight, or somebody gets stabbed
and killed before you even haveyour morning coffee, and so like
it, yeah, that, that kind ofstuff. We're just hyper aware of
every rich person in theirlives, and also every bad thing

(01:06:39):
that happens in our country, andit just has a very negative
force on people being moreconcerned with their own lives
and with, you know, not lookingover their neighbors fence and
seeing how much better they haveit than they do. It's like you
you can no longer hide fromthat. You can no longer just be
in your your own, your own smalltown community and be happy with

(01:07:01):
what you got. Yeah.

Unknown (01:07:02):
Do you think some of it with the protests, and
especially with the with therace stuff? Because to me, it
was just, it kind of came out ofleft field. I understand there
was some police things thatrightfully so. Some of these
people were being killed by thepolice, and the police were, you
know, they were, they were goingtoo far with, obviously, that's,
I mean, there's video footage ofthis. Yeah, they also, seems

(01:07:23):
like the media threw fuel inthis fire, and it was kind of
this divide and conquer thing.
Because, yeah, I think in 20082009 ish, there was the Occupy
Wall Street, and then the TeaParty. And so the Tea Party was
saying, you know, they're takingtoo much money in the taxes. The
Occupy Wall Street was sayingWall Street's, you know, not
paying enough. Like if those twoforces had combined and we,

(01:07:43):
well, we all grabbed togetherand we looked up, yeah, and all
the rich people, I think wecould have done some real
damage.

In some ways they did. I think, well, there
were a lot of Bernie Bros whoabandoned Bernie and turned to
Trump, or a lot of Obama voterswho voted for Trump precisely
because he was running on apopulist message that yes, had a
lot in common with the TeaParty, but also with Occupy. As
far as you know. It gets morecomplicated with Trump,

(01:08:15):
obviously, as a billionairehimself, but at the same time he
came from that system, and hewas then looking as an outsider,
saying, you know, there's thatclassic moment in the debates
where Hillary was like, DonaldTrump, like, cheats more on his
taxes than anybody else, andhe's like, yeah, that's why I'm
the best person to know how badit is, because I just, I just
played the game, and I know howthe game is played, right? And

(01:08:37):
so, yeah, I did it becausethat's, what your system that
you created allowed me to do.

Unknown (01:08:43):
I'm smart. If I use the system. Yeah, I'm smart, yeah. I
mean, it is interesting, becauseyou kind of wonder, with musk
and Trump, they get labeled as,Oh, these are the billionaire
the evil billionaires. And, likeI said earlier, the left has a
lot of them too, but they're alot more quiet. Like, why do you
think Trump and musk are beingIs it just because they're so
vocal and that if Musk just shutup? I think everybody

you're right, like you're right, it's that's
they're constantly stoking thefires. And, you know, Trump
spent his entire career inreality TV going towards
controversy and creating thesespectacle fights and, you know,
using WWE and all that. And so

Unknown (01:09:25):
are you, don't you think to each WWE, he's clearly
a narcissist, like he justwants, he, I mean, he think he
really wants to do a good job,so that people will say how
great he is. But I don't knowwhat is I mean, because people
like, Oh, he's trying to helpout as billionaire buddies. And
I was like, I'm trying tounderstand that. Because, no,
it's,

yeah, it's, it's much more. I mean, yeah,
when I met him in 2015 that waswhat I picked up on. Was like,
two things. Number one, he isthe kind of guy who really does
want to be liked, and whowhoever he's talking to, you
know, he wants to be the coolestguy. Also, if you compare him to
like Kevin McCarthy, who was theSpeaker of the House, like

(01:10:07):
there's two kinds of schmoozers.
Like, one schmoozer is going tolook at you in the eyes and make
you feel like the biggest guy inthe room, and the other one can
be looking around for moreimportant people who are in the
room than you. And I'm at theSenate live after party with all
of these, you know, big famouspeople, and Trump was looking
right at me. And I don't want togive away the story, because
it's pretty hilarious, but hetotally made me feel like the

(01:10:28):
biggest guy in the room. So, youknow, it is what it is. I'm a
middle brother. I know what it'slike when somebody's like,
manipulating you emotionally,and he bumped off.

Unknown (01:10:40):
That's crazy. I can't wait to read that one. I'm a
middle brother myself. So thereyou go. We have that in common.
Yeah,what doesn't kill you makes you
stronger.
So who is your following like?
Because I'm a follower now I'm afan of you know halfway through
the book, because I think theywere kind of aligned on a lot of
these things. But who are yourfollowers? You said you said you
lost a lot of conservativebecause of that article. So is

(01:11:01):
your are your followers moreindependent, kind of moderates?
Or do you have followers of bothfrom both sides? I

think? Yeah.
The interesting thing about thebook is that, after I've heard
from hundreds of people who haveread it, it's actually the
lefties who have enjoyed whohave, I guess, taken the most
away from the book? Becauseduring BLM, you know, I was out
there on the ground andwitnessing a lot of this
violence that was happening inthese power vacuums, and just

(01:11:31):
talking about, here's how theright framed it, here's how the
left framed it, here's how myclips were taken by the left and
the right. Here's who bought it.
Here's how much was paid forhim. But the, like, all my left
wing friends are like, wow, Ididn't realize all that stuff,
like, because they hadbasically, you know, are being
told that it's a party like,atmosphere, and that it's mostly
peaceful for that entire period.
So the summer alone, yeah, andso, you know, I was, I was

(01:11:56):
worried about it, because it is,it's critical of the of the BLM
Movement, as far as, like, whatit stood for versus what it
actually was doing, and whatactually came out of it. But I
think if you come at it, likethe in the book, I'm not like,
Hey, I'm the guy who's going totell you everybody's right and
everybody's wrong. I'm justlike, hey, I experienced this.

(01:12:17):
This is where I come from. Thisis, you know, where my politics
were, and I'm really justwrestling over it, along with a
reader of like, I've been tryingto figure this out for years,
and it's not so much. EveryTrump era book is like, here's
why my side is right and yoursis wrong. And I'm just like,
hey, I was there. Here's a lensinto what I experienced, and I'm
still trying to figure it out.

(01:12:37):
And, you know, just like thevideos that I recorded on the
ground, I'm going to put that,put it out there and let you
decide for yourself.

Unknown (01:12:43):
Well, yeah, because I think what happens is, I'd say
majority of the people on theBLM protests are peaceful, and
they are going there to justsupport, you know, black
people's rights and to not getYeah, absolutely. I think that's
probably a majority of thepeople. But there are these
other people that come in andhijack it, yeah, and that's the
part that's confusing to me. Ithink the weirdest thing was

(01:13:04):
just how, how often everyonejust stood down right? Like, I'm
in Arizona, Scottsdale, we havea mall that it's like, literally
down the street from my house,and it's like a mile away. It's
the mall that my girlfriend, shegrew up here, and she and they
completely looted it anddestroyed it and wrecked it. And
what's the fucking that asshole,Jake Paul or whatever, I think

(01:13:25):
he came, yeah, videotape andstuff, and, like, the police
just they asked, I think, Ithink Trump even said, like,
Hey, do you need, like, help?
And our stupid governor was,like, No, everything's fine.
Like, yeah, that's what

happened everywhere, yeah. And down,
yeah. It happened in Chaz. Ithappened in Kenosha. Happened in
Portland, where you had Democratmayors and governors saying,
hey, Trump, you're not going tobring your fascist police in
here. You know, we're going tobasically give, you know, six
blocks up in Seattle to thisprotest movement. And what's the

(01:13:57):
first thing

Unknown (01:13:58):
they did? Police building and everything. And,
yeah, they

abandoned the East police precinct. And what
was the first in the protesters?
Did they armed? Put armed guardscheckpoints? Yeah, and boy and
yeah, they put up orders for badcall them barriers, not walls.
They call them barriers. Oh,okay, yeah. That's totally
different than a wall. That'd betoo Trumpy, but

Unknown (01:14:22):
they sell things inside they sold. You ever see Benny
Johnson's video of the Chas Oh,my God, that's like, when I
figured, yeah, yeah, that washilarious. He's like, Yeah, only
five commie dollars or somethingto get a hot yeah? I was like,
wait a minute, yeah. I thoughtthis was anti capitalist. It
was, yeah, it's kind ofinteresting. But yeah, so is

(01:14:43):
there any way to for us to kindof come together on a majority?
I mean, obviously there's alwaysgoing to be, like you said, the
actual white supremacists andthe actual far left communists,
like they're probably going tostay in their lanes, but I would
say for majority of Americans,is there a way that we can all
come together? Is there aprotest that we could all. All
do together, because then thatwould be really powerful if
Republicans and Democrats wentto the same protest.

I think we're gonna have to wait for the
orange MAN to sail into thesunset. I know there's people
have a lot of questions about athird term. What would happen if
that's

Unknown (01:15:15):
and like, he's saying he's gonna run as the VP with JD
Vance, andthen, yeah, is that? I don't
think that's who knows, whoknows, but
Right? Is he? Is he serious? Idon't know. I
don't I don't even know. At thispoint, what do you think of
Trump? You met him.
So, I mean, what is yourbecause, to me, I just go, it's
the same as most people. I thinkthere's good and there's bad,
but I think some people thinkhe's the savior and he's amazing

(01:15:38):
and he's gonna save everything,and then other people think he's
a Hitler, and I don't thinkeither one of those. It's the
same with written house. He'snot a hero and he's not a white
son, yeah,

exactly. And everybody's like, you know, you
can't do any bad in their eyes,or vice versa. And it's like,
the way that I view it is, yeah,just like any other American
president, which is, there'sgonna be good things that they
do, whether it's Obama, whetherit's Trump, whether it's Nixon,
whether it's Kennedy, or even,I'm no fan of LBJ. Did

Unknown (01:16:12):
Brian do anything good?
I mean, seriously, some peoplesaid like Mark Hamill said he
was the best president of hislife.

Definitely wasn't. I mean, the thing about
Biden is that, like, and thatwas the perfect example, is
like, Oh yeah, he's totallylike, he's smart as a Joe
Scarborough said, like, he'ssmart as a whip, like, right
before he got pulled out afterthat debate. I mean, anybody
with eyes who was looking atthings semi, semi detached from

(01:16:38):
their own political ideationswas gonna be like, Yeah, this
dude is losing it. I mean, yousaw that during the debates in
2020 so because I think itwasn't even him, it was a whole
team, yeah, it was like twopeople behind him. So it wasn't
even Joe Biden being thepresident, because he really
lost. And I say that withsympathy, because I watched my
dad die of degenerative braindisease. And it's not, it's

(01:17:01):
something where the personthemselves is actually not even
aware of their of theirdegeneration, and it's a very
sad thing to see. But the factof the matter is, is he was
getting taken advantage of byhis wife and by the all the
people who were accessing powerthrough him, and so they were
juicing him up and telling him,you know, you're good to go get
out there for that debate.
Obviously he wasn't.

Chuck Shute (01:17:23):
Yeah, my condolences on your dad. I read
about that in the book, yeah,it's no,

it's but I learned a lot about the
challenges that he faced, andlike we were talking about
earlier, with the family unit, Iresented my parents for staying
together because they fought.
And you know, every kid is goingto see something, something in
other families that they wishthey had. But after he passed
away, number one, I found out,like, oh, I resented my dad for
being a hard ass. I found out hesmuggled drugs to pay for med

(01:17:49):
school. And you know, that's whyhe was a hard ass, because he
wanted to protect us from that.
And then also, like, I realizedthat all of my friends who had
divorced parents, they came overto our house even though it was
always crazy and we're alwaysthe brothers were always
fighting, and, you know, ourhouse is chaotic, it was fun

(01:18:10):
because we would all sit down atthe dinner table together and
we'd all, you know, have ourhave our talks and like, we'd
hash it out and we anything wentat the dinner table was Always
intellectual debates and debateson politics and debates on
whatever. It wasn't aboutwhether you had the right
opinion right or left. It wasabout how well you could argue
for your opinion at the dinnertable. You know, so it was your

(01:18:33):
argument was based upon itsmerits rather than its virtue.
And now I think everything'sbeen flipped around. But

Unknown (01:18:40):
don't you think that's the Pro? So to me, that feels
like the problem today is that,especially on social media,
everyone's trying to win anargument and convince you, sell
you on their side. No one istrying to listen to the other. I
am very curious, like whenpeople, when I they feel
something and I don't agree withit, I want to understand. I
mean, that's why I do a podcast,because I understand. Why do you

(01:19:02):
think the I mean, I've had superconservative Ted Nugent on here
two times, and I just had somevery liberal musician who the
conservative people gave me abunch of flack for having him
on. I'm like, Yeah, well, you'reboth sides. I Yeah, interesting.

And that's when I'm out on the streets. I'm
I'm using my cell phone becauseI don't want to stick a big
camera in their face. I wantpeople to genuinely tell me what
they think. I want them to, youknow, trust me to to present
their opinions in good faith,which I do try to do. And I try
to be a fly on the wall, ratherthan like somebody's going to
shout my ideas down their throatand say, Oh, don't you know it's

(01:19:38):
illegal to smoke weed in theCapitol, or don't you know it's
illegal to try to smash down thedoors of the house floor, you
know when the votes are beingencountered, or don't you know
it's illegal to try to breakdown the fence and burn the
federal courthouse in Portland.
You know that's not my job.
That's not my lane. My lane isto go out there and ask
questions of these extremepeople on both sides. And if you

(01:19:59):
go into that. Like, I'm going towin an argument with these
people. You're not going to doyour job, which is to ask the
tough questions. So, like, it'syou're much better off using the
Socratic method with yourfriends who are on the opposite
side of the political spectrum.
Like, oh, so you know you thinkthis, but why do you think that?
And then what do you thinkabout, you know the fact that x,
y and z happened. And you know,the people that you voted for

(01:20:22):
didn't exactly do what they saidthey were going to do or
whatever. You know, if you, ifyou ask questions, rather than
try to cram your ideas downtheir throat, you're much more
likely to get a consensus thanif you, if you do the latter,
yeah, I

Unknown (01:20:37):
just try to understand.
And like I said, I do think deepdown, I think we have way more
in common. A lot of us want thesame thing like that. We want
lower taxes. We want to not beat war with a bunch of people.
We'd like to be able to have aliving wage and afford health
care and a house and a car. Or,I guess, Millennials don't want
cars. They want to Ubereverything. But for you know,
majority of people, or like theway it used to mean you want to
be able to live your life and beand be left alone. You want to

(01:20:58):
be able to express yourreligious or your you know, I
don't know what with the left,the LGBTQ philosophies. I don't
know it's not a religion, butwhatever you know they believe
is their thing, and they want tobe able to believe that, not be
persecuted for it.

Yeah, and there's a strange thing going on
where, I think, you know, itused to be traditionally that
the right was dogmatic and setin their ways, and the left was
open minded. I think we don'treally have, it's not really
very open minded on either sideright now, as far as, like
people, you know, looking atthings and and questioning their

(01:21:40):
own side as well as the greatersystem.

Unknown (01:21:43):
Yeah. Why do you think?
But it does seem like the rightis a little bit more open minded
with a lot of things

like, yeah, I would agree. I would agree with,
I mean, I Yeah, working in aDaily Caller newsroom was we
were a lot more free to voiceour own ideas and yell at each
other about what we reallythought about things than I was.
It just seems like, yeah,

Unknown (01:22:01):
if you, if you are labeled a conservative or Maga,
like there are people that willblacklist you there. I mean, on
the view, like, if your familyis mega don't go to Christmas
and so, I mean, yeah, exactly.
This is the mindset of, this isreal. This is in real life.
There's a lot of people thathave this mentality that, uh, do
they want nothing to do with youif they think that you voted for
Trump. I mean, I had people postmy Facebook and said, if you

(01:22:23):
voted for Trump, unfriend me.
It's like, yeah, you want allyour friends to be voting the
same way as you. I mean, that's

Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't make any
sense. I know. Well, you know, Ithink that the positive thing is
like, you know, we've, we've hadtougher times in American
history. We did have arevolution. We had the war of
1812 we had the Civil War. Youknow, those were pretty
tumultuous times. So I do thinklike that. If you look on a

(01:22:51):
longer timeline, if you look atwhat the Republican Party was in
1865 versus what it was in 1965and if you look at what the
Democratic Party was in thosetwo time periods. It's, it's two
completely different pictures.
So I do think that our politicalparties do ebb and flow
according to what the demands ofthe population are. It's just
like a big ship that it thishappens in decades and not

(01:23:12):
single presidential cycles. Sothe ships are turning right now.
We don't really know wherethey're gonna end up, but
they're turning.

Unknown (01:23:19):
Yeah, I just hope that we there is this, like, smaller
movement that I've noticedonline. Maybe it's just because
of my algorithm, but, you know,there's this thing of, like,
people working out, peopletaking care of themselves,
people mental health, like,challenging themselves. And, you
know, because maybe it's becauseI follow guys like Andy frizze
and stuff, and I think, and Idon't know why that's labeled,
like, right wing. I mean, Andyfrizze is right wing. But, you

(01:23:42):
know, I think the mentality of,like, working hard, and like
Gary Vaynerchuk and guys likethat that are, like, you know,
trying to motivate people. Ithink there's a movement for
that. And I hope that that wouldbe something that would be
common for right and left wing,you know, that people that,
like, I said, like the lady thatwants to protest in front of the
abortion clinic. Like, you know,be a mentor, do something good

(01:24:03):
for the world. I wish we all hadthat mentality versus, like,
let's go out and burn a Tesla. Idon't Yeah.
Man, can dream, yeah.
So, all right, well, thank youso much for doing this. The book
is out now, and then the secondone is coming soon. You'll have
to come back on the show, and Iwill again. Thank you so much.
All right, bye, bye. Everytopic, one of a kind, from the

(01:24:24):
rockers to the wise men. You.

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