May 30, 2025 • 54 mins
Xi Van Fleet, author of "Mao's America," discusses the Cultural Revolution's impact on education and society. She explains how Mao targeted intellectuals and teachers, using youth indoctrinated in government schools to destroy old institutions. Van Fleet compares this strategy to modern movements like Black Lives Matter and Antifa, noting the use of divisive language and the empowerment of youth. She warns of the dangers of importing proletarians to create a larger underclass and divide American society. Van Fleet emphasizes the importance of understanding historical parallels to counter current political strategies aimed at consolidating power.
0:00:00 - Intro
0:00:20 - Cultural Revolution & It's Impact on Education
0:03:00 - Role of Intellectuals & The Great Leap Forward
0:06:32 - The Red Guards & Giving Young People Power
0:13:20 - Terminology & Counter-Revolutionaries
0:14:25 - Division By Class: Peasants, Elites & False Promises
0:20:45 - Advice to Americans, Red Flags & Communists USA
0:26:05 - Division By Oppression & Rich Hypocrisy
0:28:37 - Immigration, Recruiting Revolutionaries & Promises
0:33:16 - What Happens to Rich Liberals with Communism
0:37:15 - Dealing with Homeless & Drug Addicts & Power
0:40:35 - Labor Camps, Removing Threats & Power Struggles
0:46:13 - Puppet Masters, Globalists & Excuses to Take Power
0:48:53 - Education & Youth in China Vs America
0:53:50 - Outro
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THEME SONG (00:04):
Down with the heavy stars, rock and rolling through
the cool guitars. Shops got thequestions digging so sharp,
peeling back layers, hitting theheart.
Chuck Shute (00:20):
Yes. Welcome to the show. Author of Mao's America, a
very eye opening book, andyou've done a lot of things.
You've had a viral speech,you've been on Hannity. Tucker
Carlson, I think you wererecently at the White House. So
please, welcome to the show.
Xi Van Fleet (00:37):
Well, thank you so much. Now, I was recently
invited to an event in inCongress, but tomorrow I'm going
to White House. I was so you alittle bit ahead. Oh, yeah, but
I was invited tomorrow to, therewas an event there, so I will
tweet about it,
Chuck Shute (00:54):
yeah. So just, I mean, we can't go through the
entire book. I want people toread it, but, but, yeah, my
first question was, so for you,for the your experience, you're
writing from your experience asa seven you start when you're
seven years old. 1966 China goesthrough the Cultural Revolution.
And I just wondered, it soundedlike a lot of it started in the
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schools, in education, and whyyou think that they started
there? Because I feel like,again, I worked in education for
17 years. I have a lot offriends and family that are
teachers. Many of them are veryliberal, and I feel like they're
buying into this propaganda. Anddo you think that they would be
surprised to know that one ofthe first groups that the
Chinese Communists went afterwas the school teachers and
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administrators?
Xi Van Fleet (01:39):
Yeah, and okay, so this will be not an easy answer.
Let me go back a little bitfurther than 1966 which was the
time that the CulturalRevolution started. So by then,
the Communist Chinese CommunistParty has been in power for 17
years. How did they How did theywin the victory to take over
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China from the nationalists.
Those are the people now inTaiwan. Okay, so their base now
we use the word base, right?
Base. What was the base? Thebase was the poor peasants.
Okay, so they, they mobilize thelandless peasants and promised
them free land. And so that wasMao's revolution. Was really a
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peasant revolution. So they wereable, because it's up and took
up to, like a 90% of thepopulation, promised them free
land. Follow me, and when therevolution was successful,
you're going to have free land.
And that's really how they gotAnne and the radicalized
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intellectuals. Alwaysintellectuals played them. He
himself, Mao himself, was aradicalized intellectuals. So
that is how they won thevictory, first victory to gain
power over China, and then afterthat, the real revolution
started. It is the socialistrevolution. So they one of the
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things they did in the late1950s was to have this fantasy
campaign that he believed. Maobelieved that he can mobilize
all the people, 600,000 now, 600million at the time, to just to
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mobilize them to do one thing,to make steel and then and he
believed that in 15 years, hecan surpass United States. It's
called a great leap forward.
Everyone drop everything youknow, school teachers and kids
every and peasants drop outtheir work in the field. They
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did one thing, steel, makingsteel like a furnaces in the
backyard. But that campaignfailed, failed miserably. At the
same time, the crops failed, andafter that, it was great. Famine
lasted for three years, killedup to 50 million people. So that
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was a big deal. That was andeven in the totalitarian regime,
that was a big deal. So Mao wasforced to admit that, you know,
he messed up, and he had forcedto give up certain power, not
all, and it's all happenedwithin the party. Outside,
people have no idea what washappening inside the party, but
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he was forced to give up some ofhis power and and then someone
else was in charge, and he wasthe president of China, and
tried to focus on on. Improvingthe economy, rather than
struggle, class struggle. Maodid not like that. He's a
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dictator. He won all the power,so he spent about four years to
have a comeback, and now fastforward to 1966 that was his
cultural revolution. The goal isto take back power. Okay,
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imagine the first time he usedthe peasants. This time, his
goal is to take down his ownparty, to take down his own
government, take down his owninstitution. He had an army, but
he really could not use thearmy, but that looked like a
coup, right? But he had someone.
He had a better army that was10s of 1000s of kids, kids that
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have been indoctrinated in thegovernment school in the past 17
years who could not think andincapable of thinking. And I was
one of them. And the only thingthey were taught is to follow
their leader, follow their God,which is Mao. Whatever he asked
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him to them to do it. They willdo it. That's why he did not go
other, right? Like using thearmy. He had army, and so that
is, I think at that time, it'slike, I don't know the exact
number, but 10s of millions ofyoung people from elementary
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school, all the way touniversities. And so he gave
them power. That's the key. Hegave them power to do whatever,
and what's the he wanted them todo, to take down the destroy the
four oaths, old ideas, oldtradition, or old habits and the
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old old habits, the fourtransition, basically take down
the transition, and also to takedown what Mao called the
reactionary intellectualauthority, okay, because all of
them he Mao regarded as a partof the rotten institution, part
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of the that need to be destroyedand replaced by by his own
version of Marxism, which isMaoism. So what do you think the
kids had in mind when they thinkabout the authority.
Chuck Shute (07:44):
Yeah, they don't like, I mean, kids don't like
authority anyways, usually,yeah,
Xi Van Fleet (07:48):
the teachers, right. The first thing they
think about authority is theteachers. Because that's every
day there's the teacher orderedthem around, asking to do this
and that and whatever. So theywent off the teachers, and then
they went after theadministrators, the principals.
And so it was like a rebellionof young people going after the
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teachers. And so at that time inChina, there was not one single
principle that was not spared.
They have to go to go throughthe struggle sessions and beaten
by the kids, by the kids, manyof them killed, and the first
one was the principal killed wasby a bunch of young girls in the
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girls in the most prestigiousMiddle School for Girls in
Beijing, and that was only aboutabout three months into the
Cultural Revolution. So that wasthe first death by the kids and
and then nothing happened tothem, because that's what one mo
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wanted. And so and the violencebecome the norm right after
that, okay, but killing teacherswas not really most goal. It's
the people in power, those heconsidered his political enemy.
So one by one by one, the theRed Guards took down those
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people in power. Eventually tookdown the president of China,
Mao's arch enemy. His name wasLiu Shao chi. He went through
struggle sessions and theneventually imprisoned and died
few years later, and we did noteven know until we after the
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Cultural Revolution, whathappened to it just disappeared,
gone. So that was, I hope, thatexplained why kids, why teacher.
Chuck Shute (09:55):
It's a small strategy. I mean, it's evil, but
it's it's intelligent. It's astrategy,
Xi Van Fleet (09:59):
absolutely.
Absolutely give them all thepower that is, you know, people
say, How could this young peoplehave that kind of power? And
they can order the principle tokneel and then torture them. And
then why? Because they weregiven the power because Mao told
the young people that they werehis Red Guards, and he was their
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commander. Red commander inchief. They have the power, and
that's why people now should beable to understand why the BMA,
MERS and Tifa had that kind ofpower. They just could do
whatever in 2020 right, to burndown the whole cities and and
attack people and and nothinghappened to them.
Chuck Shute (10:51):
Yeah, I never seen anything like that in my life
where it was like the policejust took, went, hands off and
just left because they werescared that a police would would
shoot somebody, and then there'dbe a controvers so they just
kind of let everybody they said,well, it's better to just let
the city burn than to try toYeah,
Xi Van Fleet (11:08):
it's because someone gave them power. And
that is the whole entireDemocratic Party that gave them
the power. Remember, Kamala washere and there, supporting all
those criminals and and and gavethem this, what they call that,
you know, if you are a bailright, gave them bail, and
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that's because they thoserioters, those So called
revolutionaries, were empowered,just exact. That's why, when
people like me saw it, oh, thisis nothing new. We saw it before
we saw it in China, the sametime, during the Cultural
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Revolution, the police werewarned if the the Red Guards hit
you, you cannot fight, youcannot hit, that you cannot and
they were, they were forbiddento go into campuses. Why?
Because that's where the killingwere taking place. Same thing,
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same thing. And eventually, Mao,this mental the whole, the so
called justice. System. There isno police, absolutely chaos. And
here we disabled the police. Wedemonize them, and we disabled
them that they are not to fightback. Okay, if you do look what
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happened to the officer, what'shis name? Share you know that
Derek Chauvin, the guy thatkilled Yeah? Chauvin, yeah, what
happened to him? He's in prayer,in prison, yeah, absolutely. And
there's no way you can arguethat he was doing following the
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what he was taught, trained forit, right? And there's just no
way you can argue you end upbeing in jail. Who else there to
do, to stand up and stop therioters? Nobody. So it's a
cultural revolution, yeah, didthey, you
Chuck Shute (13:16):
said they had these posters on the walls when, I
mean, they didn't have socialmedia and so that the posters,
but do they have similar kind ofstrategies? Because here, I
mean, if you look at theterminology they're using, is
it's really smart, like BlackLives Matter. So if you're, if
you're against that, then thenyou, then you don't think Black
Lives Matter, and you're racistor Anti Fascist. If you're
against that, then you're profascist. Did they do similar
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kinds of things? Of course. So
Xi Van Fleet (13:40):
those people that they are, they are go, they went
after they were not calledracist. They're called counter
revolutionaries and or for thethose in power, like an upper
level, they were calledcapitalist voters, capitalist
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voters. I know it's a stupidterm. Well, what it means those
those people want to take Chinaback to capitalism, to the road
of capitalism. So those are badpeople. So yeah, of course,
there's a ratio of racism wasnot a thing in China. Yeah, it
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was more about class, right?
Yes, class and the class wasover. Because by then everyone
supposedly, by then it wassupposedly a classless society,
because all the people that ownland, on property, own factory,
they were eliminated by at thattime. So now it is a black class
versus red class. Black is thepeople that have wrong thoughts
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and have condemned as thoughtcriminals, and then the people
with in the red. Class, thepeople who are supporters or
followers of the revolution.
It's the same thing. It's justsubstitute the real class. Yeah,
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you have to have stuff by then.
Nobody had stuff. Everything wastaken away by the state. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (15:18):
and you said Mao was from a rich family himself.
I think your quote was, onlythese elite people have time to
start a revolution everyoneelse.
Xi Van Fleet (15:27):
Just think about the revolution. It's the same
thing. You think Bernie Sanderswas a proletarian and you think
he was a working class person.
No, he is a multi millionaires.
And so it's always the case. Youknow that's here. You have a
better word, and it's called buyit. Have you heard about that
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word, white liberals? And sothose are the It's a Chinese
word that is the Chinese peoplein China gave the called the
white liberals, Bai Cho, whichmeans white lefties,
Chuck Shute (16:03):
interesting. No, I never heard that. I've heard
limousine, oh, this, becomethis,
Xi Van Fleet (16:07):
become into this, get into the American
vocabulary. And even TuckerCarlson had a little program
when it was student Fox, andthey talk about this word bite.
So I thought it was funny. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (16:24):
did they know? What did they when you were a kid?
What did they teach people inChina about America, that
Americans was evil, evilcapitalists? And, yeah,
Xi Van Fleet (16:33):
of course, it's and so starting in the very
beginning, um, the ChineseCommunist Party, not just
Chinese Communist Party, theSoviet Union. They had a trinity
of enemies, and so among them isChristianity, capitalism and
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United States, because UnitedStates happen to be the
strongest capitalist country. Sothey always, always, so we're
taught that it's an evilcountry. It's a country that is
for the for the rich and thepoor. Had no saying they were
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oppressed. Yeah, there's justlike a living hells for working
class people, yeah,
Chuck Shute (17:24):
and it sounds like, like you said they use the
peasants, and they would promisethem land. And then you said
they ended up getting beingworse off than when they
started. And then the people,
Xi Van Fleet (17:34):
yeah, that is something I try to tell American
people, because right now we areon the Phase One of the
revolution, which is a wokerevolution, and with all the
promises, just like the PhaseOne of Chinese communist
revolution, promise, what? Freeland, fairness, justice, and so
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you follow me, we're going tobuild this society that is
classless. That is that everyonehas to share, share the same
thing, which is like neighbors,just like a team, Team. Watts
said socialism is laborneighborliness. That's what they
believed and what happened.
Okay, so they got the landbecause after the revolution in
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1949 after they got power, andthey started this campaign
called land reform, all thepeasants were organized to take
land from the landlord. Not onlythat, they have to go through
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class struggle. You can't justlike a water from central
government, that you have to getthe land. No, they don't want
that. They want bloody conflict,because through that, they
believe the peasants will willgain consciousness class
consciousness, because class wasnot a thing in China. It's not
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something you're born with, andyou can get rich or you can lose
your fortune. So it's not butthrough this bloody conflict,
they hope that the peasants willgain the class consciousness.
And during that campaign, ittook like a three years, 2
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million landlord were killed,killed by who by peasants. So
they turned peasants into stocksand killers, and that's what the
revolution was about. So that'show they got the land. So they
were happy. Okay, okay, I killedthe landlord, but, you know, I'm
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okay with it because they gotland. Mm. Uh, three years later,
maybe four, the government said,you know, now everybody has a
little bit land, but that's notvery efficient. Let's share.
Let's just put land alltogether. So it's called
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people's commune. So your landis mine, mine is yours. That's
just a happy, big family. Sowithin four years, they lost
their land. Everyone, everyoneso it's even today, there's no
land. Every inch of land inChina belong to the state.
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Belong to the party.
Chuck Shute (20:44):
That's so yeah. And didn't you say, see, one of your
biggest things about this bookis, and your advice to Americans
is to understand what's goingon. You can't fight back if you
don't understand. And that's oneof the things that you
mentioned, is that that's a bigclue. Whenever they use the word
peoples the People's Republic,the People's commune, the
people's minds, a huge
Xi Van Fleet (21:03):
red flag, yes, absolutely, it's not the way the
people it's people's and and sothis is a very important for
Americans to understand, butthey don't, because we lived the
phase two of the communistpromise. We are right now in
phase one right. We stillPromise, Promise, Promise, this
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promise that the human rightswe're going to have a society
that we all entitled ofeverything, not just life,
liberty and the pursuit ofhappiness. By the way, are
entitled of housing, we'reentitled, well, health care,
we're entitled. Of, how aboutfood? How about everything else?
Sounds so good. And if you knowhistory, you know what are going
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to happen? Really happen. Butpeople don't know history
because it's not taught, andthat is by by design. When you
don't know history, you thoughtyou engaged something just just
just new. And I think a lot oftimes in 2020 people just like
shocked, what is going on, whathappened to our country. And I'm
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sure this is shocking to a lotof people, but to people like
me. Oh, seen this before, downthat know what is? What the end
result is? That's why, yeah, mybook is really just to educate
people, to let people know thatthis is history repeating.
Chuck Shute (22:39):
Yeah, because if you make a good point about how
everyone, majority of people,agree Nazis are bad, right? We
agree with that. But it's likethere's this now, this, this
sudden resurgence of communismand socialism, or democratic
socialism, or they call itdifferent things. That's
basically communism and thatit's not bad. We don't, they
don't talk about the history,the famines and Stalin and all
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these people that are communistleaders, that people have
suffered under their reign, andthat's people like, there's a
lot of young people that wantthis. They are pushing, oh,
Xi Van Fleet (23:10):
they want it absolutely. And the new party,
you know that there is aCommunist Party USA that founded
in 1919 and two years before thefounding of Chinese Communist
Party, which was 1921 so it'scalled CP USA, Communist Party
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USA. And in recent it's kind oflike a outdated and it's there,
but But recently, theirmembership is increasing like
crazy, yeah. And now we have anew party called the
revolutionary Communist PartyUSA. And we saw them. I saw the
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videos of them havingdemonstration in Philadelphia
with a flag, you know, thesickle and hammer flag. It they
absolutely think this is thegreatest thing. Why here?
There's just so many thingshappened, so many things
happened that history wasrewritten, erased, or you or
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created. So why people condemnNazi and after the World War,
two laws were passed, especiallyin Germany. You cannot defend
Nazism. You cannot even questionit. You cannot even question it.
If you even question a certainevent during Nazi time, you can
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be prison, jailed. Lot of peoplewere jailed by asking questions.
And how about communism? This isthe real problem, because during
the World War Two, FDR andAmerican policy makers still.
Decided that somehow it is agood idea to ally with a
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communist regime, a totalitariancommunist regime against Nazi
and after the World War Two, itwas the communist that put the
Nazi on trial. So after WorldWar Two was thinking like a
communism, okay, even today, youcan ask a lot of young people if
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they know any history at all,they are grateful that Soviet
Union helped to defeat Nazi. Howmany people Nazi killed, I think
it's about 20 million. How manypeople communist killed?
Hundreds of million, right?
People don't know. People don'tknow because it's deliberately
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hidden from the from the public.
Chuck Shute (25:59):
Yeah. And then the whole idea is to divide people
into the oppressor or theoppressed. And so, like you
said, in China, they didn't,they didn't have the race thing
because most people wereChinese, so that they use class,
but here they're using race. Butthere does seem to be the class
thing too. There's a lot oflike, hatred towards
billionaires and absolutely richpeople, yeah, but yeah, right,
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billionaires that are on theleft side, which that's what I
find. Like you said, BernieSanders, he has three houses.
He's flying private jets, butthey don't call him out. He's
okay to have my I don'tunderstand it.
Xi Van Fleet (26:33):
Okay, you, you.
This is what happened. Okay? So,classic. Marxism is based on
class class struggle. It's alleverything, whatever happened.
They call it class struggle. Andthat was a mouse model. Um, we
will talk about class struggleevery year, every month, every
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day. It is the thing, you know,we have, okay, but that did not
really work in the classicMarxism did not work in
industrialized country. It neverworked. It's supposed the the
his the revolution is supposedto take place in UK, Germany and
France. Back then, in the mid,mid 1800 United States was not
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even that much industrialized.
So Mark Karl Marx think, thoughtthat those are the countries
that will see the the uprisingof the working class and then
the Communist revolution thatdid not happen, and because
coming capitalism somehow ableto generate enough wealth that
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created a middle class, right?
So no one having a okay life, ifnot great, would join your
revolution, and which might meanthat you lose everything you
live in your life. So, so thefirst communist revolution that
took place, that successfullytook place was in the backwarded
country of Russia, and thenChina was even less developed.
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So, but okay, it was successful.
But in order to take down thewest, you have to do something
different, because they justwon't work. And so that is why
we have cultural Marxism, right?
Chuck Shute (28:37):
Yeah. Do you think I wanted to get your take on
immigration and that wholething, because I've never seen
anything like it in my lifetimewhere the border was just so
open. Were they bringing theseimmigrants in to help with the
revolution? Or because, yeah, itwas under the guise of, oh, we
care about these people. Givethem help and,
Xi Van Fleet (28:56):
okay, help me to stay on track. So I'm getting
somewhere. So because theCultural Marxism is tailor made
for the West, so you still haveclass, because that's the the
Bernie Sanders breed, right?
They still talk about richagainst the poor, but that's
just not enough. If that's allthey talk about, it's just not
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enough, so they have to gobroaden it. And in America, what
you do, of course, race. So it'sa black against the white. Now
it is non white against white.
They're now against brownpeople, black people, brown and
whatever. And then sex, womenagainst men, and then it is, and
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it is sexuality, gay againstwhatever they call cis people,
cisgender. They made it up. Andthen it's the absolute. They
just expand, expand, expand. Whyto divide? Okay, so when you
talk about, when you talk aboutimmigration, okay, there's a lot
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of things going on aboutimmigration. One to me, the
easiest way to understand it isto import proletarians. You is
proletarians, the word that youknow, Marx. Marxists use
proletarians against the Bucha.
That was the terms that I grewup with. Proletarians are the
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pressed. Bourgeois was theoppressor. Okay, so the reason
they want to import so many, weknow that they want import
voters. They also want to importenough proletarian to change the
markup of the population, right?
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So, so if you look at that way,it's just easy to understand.
And where do these people go?
They don't go to the ruralareas. They all pretty much go
to the city, and then they canmake stronghold for the
Democrats and keep those statesblue, because the more
underclass, the bigger it is.
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It's easier for them becausethey promise them. They always
promise them free stuff. So in away, this is how I look at it.
The the open border is really away for them to import the poor
people so that they can have abetter way to have class
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struggle. The Marxist, theclassic Marx doctrine, class
struggle that you create, youcan expand the underclass,
because those people mostly comehere and get into what cities
and and join on, join theunderclass, right, right. Yeah.
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That's how I look at and ofcourse, they don't. And the
people that come in is anotherway to divide them the American
society, because those people,most of them, do not share the
same value. And then you createdtribes, and that's what they
want, and all the things they dois create more tribes. That
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tribes with some kind ofidentity. We are not short of
any identity if you don't haveone, created one, because that
is what they do. They createtribes. When we have tribes
everywhere, we don't have aUnited States of America. We
have a divided States ofAmerica. And then that's how
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they control. And then you oneof the biggest questions, why
they do that? Why Mao woulddivide all the people and state
them against each other? We knowwhy. Mao, right. You want power.
Yeah, I control, and he gotpower. Same thing here, same
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thing here. They want to divide.
And through division, they takecontrol because they want power.
So,
Chuck Shute (33:16):
yeah, in your mind, in your view, seeing this play
out in real time if thingscontinued, and it did go to the
phase two or the next levels.
These, these, some of theseelites, like, there's a lot of
celebrities you mentioned yourbook, like Don Lemon, you know,
he's considered oppressed. Youknow, Bruce Springsteen recently
spoke out against Trump, youknow, and you say in the book
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that fancy clothes andhairstyles are banned. How would
these like Hollywood elites andthe rich liberals? How would
they? How would it work out forthem? Like, are they getting
screwed over?
Xi Van Fleet (33:50):
Yes, this is the I'm glad we need to keep on
track, because if, if, sometimesI just go off track, just go
back to the mouse revolution. SoI said in his first revolution,
it was poor peasants. And poorpeasants is the majority,
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majority of the population. Andthen they have the radicalized
intellectuals. So theintellectuals actually are where
to do people you can't be inlecture if you're third poor
right, usually from rich family.
And they kind of like today'swhite liberals. They feel like
they know what's the best wayfor people to live. They want to
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liberate the marginalizedpeople. They want to help the
marginalized people. So that'sthere, because in the West, it's
even worse. Why? Because theCultural Marxism have
indoctrinated so many peoplethey absolutely believe in the.
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Original Sin, the white guilt,and the sin of the white sin,
which is slavery, Jim Crow, theyabsolutely believe that they are
responsible for it. And soCultural Marxism, give your way
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out, give you a redemption youcan attempt by what, by join the
revolution, by become, you know,become a part of the the woke of
revolution, because yours nowyou stand for the oppressed. Now
you stand for the marginalized,and you become part of the
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revolution. But again, whathappened in China? That is why
it's just so important forpeople to understand what
happened, what happened to thoseintellectuals after the Cultural
and after the the communist tookover power. They did land
reform. II described already,right? They also did something
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called thought reform,
Chuck Shute (36:06):
right? Yeah, those are the same thought right?
Isn't that what you said?
Thought
Xi Van Fleet (36:12):
reform? Yeah. So those are for those
intellectuals that helped withthe revolution, the same people
that helped the revolution nowbecome a danger, because they
think right. The peasants don'tthink they gave them land. They
will be happy, supposedly,right? But the intellectuals,
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they think so. They have thisthought reform that took place.
But the same time. So they arethe target is the intellectuals,
and after that they have theanti right campaign. So it's
like a non stop. And during thatcampaign, millions of
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intellectuals, or the so calledliberals, they persecuted and
some sent to the labor camp.
Many died there, and that iswhat happened to the liberals.
Chuck Shute (37:13):
And what about how did China deal with the I want
to know how they helped dealtwith this problem in the past,
and how they deal with it now,because here we have a big thing
with drug addicts, homelesspeople, vagrants, people on
disability, a lot of people thatjust want to do nothing, and
they want to do their drugs andand just be free or whatever.
Like, how would that work? Howdoes that work? In China, if
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someone's just, I want to behomeless and I'm just going to
smoke pot or drink, like,because don't they see you as
like, kind of an employee of thestate, like you need to be
producing, and if you're notproducing, then they don't want
to, they want them to get rid
Xi Van Fleet (37:48):
of you, right? The key is to understand whether
homeless will be helpful forthose who want power here too,
right? It's helpful. Okay,
Chuck Shute (38:04):
one power, but then once they have the power, then
what do they do? They don't getokay?
Xi Van Fleet (38:07):
Now let me go back to China. Okay, that's kind of a
that's what I try to tellpeople. We have to compare what
happened in China is that,before the they when they took
power and the government, theythen the China, the Chinese
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Communist Party, actually werecultivating opium for money
because they have, they don'thave enough money to sustain
themselves, so they actuallybegan to cultivate opium and
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then traffic that out to thegovernment controlled areas,
which Is the nationalist sobecause they want money, so they
don't care, because they're allChinese, right? Yeah. Some is
under their rule in in certainparts of China, and the others
are under the government ofRepublic of China. They traffic,
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they, they traffic the opium tothe government controlled area
in exchange for money to sustaintheir base. Okay? So after and
they did not allow the to bedistributed within their area,
(39:38):
tightly controlled, you can't,okay, so once the the two call
the took over China. They wantpeople to obey. They want people
to be productive. They almostright away the banned drug use,
the banned prostitution, the.
Banned everything that'ssupposed to be bad, but before
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they they encourage that,because that become a disabled,
a way to disable the destabilizethe society. Yeah, so and so.
You think those rioters today,they can just go into the store
and loot and there's no problem.
(40:21):
Now once, if Kamala and theDemocrats had total power, they
would not like that. They wouldsend all those looters and
whatever to concentration campor to a labor camp, not
concentration camp, to laborcamp.
Chuck Shute (40:37):
Yeah, is that where you went? You said you went to
the countryside? Yeah, yeah,they do the what is it's like
brainwashing or re education,like, what is that? It sounds
scary.
Xi Van Fleet (40:49):
Okay, that is another story that is a after
the we're everywhere. Okay, soafter the Red Guards took, took
the power for Mao, they become aproblem. They were absolutely
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become a become a thugs, andthat's how they did everything
for Mao. But after their job isfinished, they become a threat
to Mao. So Mao send them all tothe countryside and to get so
called RE education from thepeasants and so. And also, the
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other reason is that the there'sno jobs, and Mao destroyed
everything. There's no jobs incity, and he did not want to
have a lot of unemployed youth,you know, roaming around the
city, so he sent all high schoolkids to the countryside, and
that's what happened to me. Butalso, I mentioned about the the
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labor camp for theintellectuals, for thought
reform. So that is always a wayfor them to get rid of people
they don't want and send them tolabor camp.
Chuck Shute (42:11):
Yeah, because they you think like, if you're, if
you're really good, you're onthe side, you're you're on mouse
side, and you're high up. Butthen he you think like you're
doing really good, right? Butthen he looks at you and he sees
a threat, and he wants to removethe threat, because he wants
absolute power.
Xi Van Fleet (42:26):
That's what I'm trying to tell American people.
AOC, you think you're on therise. And a lot of those are
like a like a Mark Cuban thoughtthat they were on the right
side, right? That is on thewinning side. And then whatever.
Now none, none of them is it'scommunism is not safe for
anyone. Even Mao turned seems tobe a winner. But as soon as he
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died, his widow was put ontrial, at a show trial, and
sentenced to death. Okay, sothere's like there were just no
winner, and people don'tunderstand why there's no
winner, because with even if youget into the winning side, you
climb up the power structure,because the power is never
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stable, and there is a Non stoppower, strong struggle and the
most ruthless main way. But youknow that Xi Jinping now may
lose power. There is a veryfierce game fight going on in in
within the CCP, we may learnsoon that he's out of power and
(43:37):
that, I don't know how brutalthis time he is, he may just
disappear. We don't know, but noone is safe. You, when you have
communism, totalitarianism, thistotalitarian power structure,
structure, no one is safe, noone. So
Chuck Shute (43:55):
how can they? Can they can just take power. They
can just kind of bully their wayin and just take him out and
just take it.
Xi Van Fleet (44:03):
I don't even know, because I'm never there. It's
you cannot trust anyone, right?
You You look for an old foropponent or attackers. It is not
a way to live, but that's what atotalitarian system is, is
about. So here, you know,sometimes I would just thinking
(44:24):
why they would want to do this.
We finally figured out a way, incountries like the United
States, everyone can have power,right? If you you're power
hungry, you can have power. Whatyou need to do? You need to
convince the voters, right, thatyou have a good idea and that
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somehow you convince them thatyou you are the one people were
put to power. But the problemwith that is the power is
limited, not only limited inpower, but you cannot. Be in
power forever. So there's a lotof limitation for people like
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the communists that's just notgood enough. They want not just
power. They want permanent andabsolute power, and that's what
the communist here want toachieve. The same thing they
want, like one party system thatthey choose who will be the
leader. So where, this is what Iimagine, if Kamala succeeded,
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succeeded and and they havepermanent power, will still have
the election. We're still havetwo candidates, one Republican
and what? But we know that it isa woman for show. They pick who
will be the press, the presidentand the president, and God knows
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how they get there through thepower struggle. And so that is
the thing they don't want topower through the democratic
process. They want power justlike you know what happened in
Russia and in China permanent
Chuck Shute (46:10):
Who do you think is? Yeah, who do you think is
pulling the strings behind a lotof this stuff? Do you know who
is kind of behind the scenes?
Because the Democrats raised, Ithink, a billion dollars for
this campaign. There's a lot ofmoney being thrown to the left
to stay in power. Do you knowwho, like you have theories as
to who it is that's perfectly
Xi Van Fleet (46:31):
I don't. Oh, you know we can only, we can only
guess. And my guess is that it'snot, it's the globalist it's a
group of people, yeah, so theywant control and of not just
United States or not just theWest, they want to control the
entire world. And so they arethe ones behind all this. They
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say Obama's third term. I thinkObama's first two terms was also
controlled by those people soand I think a lot of this
presidents that we had werecontrolled by those people.
That's why they hate Trump somuch. That's why Trump posed
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such a threat, because no onecan control him, and that's all,
I think, yeah, what?
Chuck Shute (47:23):
No, what do you think? Because there's like, a
meme I saw that was like, itsaid something about, like, why
doesn't, why don't they careabout climate change in China?
And it's because, well, theyalready have communism there. Do
you feel like climate change?
Xi Van Fleet (47:36):
It's Paul, it's, yeah, it's excuse. It's absolute
excuse. Climate crisis and whatthey are really after gave me
more power, I will solve theproblem power. Give me more
power everything they do, youknow, so I would, you know,
sometimes I think I'm justprobably need to be a little
(47:59):
subtle, more subtle, but I'm notsubtle. You cannot give them
benefit of doubt. Everyintention they have is driven by
power. That means all theirintention, their intention is
evil. It's never, never aboutthe marginalized people. It's
never about the black people.
It's never about the gays andand trans it's all about power,
Chuck Shute (48:29):
right? Because they don't have the trans thing in
China, it's kind of interesting.
There's a billion I think hisname is Roy Singham, and he's
from he's a member of theChinese Communist Party, and he
donates a lot of money to thetrans movement here in America,
but he doesn't donate any moneyto to it for China. So it's kind
of
Xi Van Fleet (48:46):
wants chaos here.
Everything they do is for power,and everything they do is for
division and chaos. What
Chuck Shute (48:54):
about education in China? Because that does seem to
be an area that, I mean onpaper, at least it's, you know,
China, kids in China, their testscores and things are much
higher than America. They have,I know, tick tock and what
Xi Van Fleet (49:09):
had an ex. He had a tweet, and I think I can't
find it anymore. He said, youknow, China is doing a great
job, and we, we can't be leftbehind. China is not doing a
great job now they have totalcontrol of the educational
system, and then they really,really treat the kids as slaves.
(49:32):
It is not a desirable place tobe as a kid, so the Mother's Day
just just a few weeks ago, andthen there is something when
went viral. So there's a lot ofkids went to social media said,
(49:54):
A Mother's Day, I wish I wasnever born so that I don't have
to put up. Life with this kindof like a this life as a
student. As a little kid, youwork from the moment you woke
up, more work, more work, andand then, then the homework,
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homework until bedtime. And thenwe can you have to go to get
tutored and some kind of extraclasses, and the goal is to get
to college, get to the bestcollege, and then when you get
out of college, two thirds ofthe people can't find jobs.
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Nowadays, it is not it's notabout creativity, it's about
memorizing. It is aboutAbsolutely. It's about control.
So I don't think that that'strue. Do in that process, in
that system, you create somevery, very good students with
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like, a math skills and butoverall, that system is so
rotten that really treat kids asresources for the party. Because
before Mao wants those kids tobe revolutionaries, today, Xi
Jinping want those kids to behis slaves to build his empire.
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You know, it's all about power,power in different faiths and
the different stages. Now he hedid not want those people, the
kids, to be revolutionary, tomake trouble, because he's in
power. He had power. He justwant them to obey and serve, not
for themselves, but for theparty and for him, and, yeah,
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for the government. I hope thatmakes sense.
Chuck Shute (51:46):
Yeah, no, it does, I think, because, I mean, you
talk about that, like, how theone thought it's just everybody
must think the same. And youmentioned that in your book
about how when you got toWestern Kentucky, you're like,
oh, like, I'm supposed to, like,think for myself. No one's ever
asked me what I thought aboutthings. I was always just
supposed to think the same thingthat the the Chinese Communist
Party thought. So I thought, No,
Xi Van Fleet (52:04):
I just told you. I was saying, yeah. So, yeah,
exactly. So I we have a problem.
Here we are experienced Mao'sCultural Revolution, and then
when Mao want to use the kids asrevolutionaries to overthrow the
government so that he can tookpower, right? Can consolidate
power. That's why we're now. Nowthey don't care about learning
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academics or improve yourskills. Now they won't turn them
into activists, or another word,revolutionaries, because right
now, they want the kids to betheir army of rebellion, and
just like Mao did during theCultural Revolution, so
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different stages called fordifferent strategies. So Mao use
different strategies for power.
And right now, here they aredoing. Everything they do,
everything they do is about howto get power, how to get more
power, how to get to this to thestates that they have control of
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everything, and just like a oneparty and one group that make
decisions and take over theentire world.
Chuck Shute (53:24):
Yeah, well, you've written the book. You're doing
interviews. You're doing yourpart. I'm trying to do my part
by sharing this information.
Hopefully people will listen,and again, the book is available
now people, I'll put the show orthe link in the show notes. And
thank you so much for doingthis. It's It's two o'clock, so
I want to let you get out ofhere, but I appreciate you
taking the time to do this. Ireally do
Xi Van Fleet (53:44):
well. Thank you so much. Okay, it's a great
conversation. All right, yes,
Chuck Shute (53:47):
absolutely. Thank you so much. Goodbye. Bye.
Down with the heavy stars, rock and rolling through
the cool guitars. Shops got thequestions digging so sharp,
peeling back layers, hitting theheart.
Chuck Shute (00:20):
Yes. Welcome to the show. Author of Mao's America, a
very eye opening book, andyou've done a lot of things.
You've had a viral speech,you've been on Hannity. Tucker
Carlson, I think you wererecently at the White House. So
please, welcome to the show.
Xi Van Fleet (00:37):
Well, thank you so much. Now, I was recently
invited to an event in inCongress, but tomorrow I'm going
to White House. I was so you alittle bit ahead. Oh, yeah, but
I was invited tomorrow to, therewas an event there, so I will
tweet about it,
Chuck Shute (00:54):
yeah. So just, I mean, we can't go through the
entire book. I want people toread it, but, but, yeah, my
first question was, so for you,for the your experience, you're
writing from your experience asa seven you start when you're
seven years old. 1966 China goesthrough the Cultural Revolution.
And I just wondered, it soundedlike a lot of it started in the
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schools, in education, and whyyou think that they started
there? Because I feel like,again, I worked in education for
17 years. I have a lot offriends and family that are
teachers. Many of them are veryliberal, and I feel like they're
buying into this propaganda. Anddo you think that they would be
surprised to know that one ofthe first groups that the
Chinese Communists went afterwas the school teachers and
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administrators?
Xi Van Fleet (01:39):
Yeah, and okay, so this will be not an easy answer.
Let me go back a little bitfurther than 1966 which was the
time that the CulturalRevolution started. So by then,
the Communist Chinese CommunistParty has been in power for 17
years. How did they How did theywin the victory to take over
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China from the nationalists.
Those are the people now inTaiwan. Okay, so their base now
we use the word base, right?
Base. What was the base? Thebase was the poor peasants.
Okay, so they, they mobilize thelandless peasants and promised
them free land. And so that wasMao's revolution. Was really a
(02:27):
peasant revolution. So they wereable, because it's up and took
up to, like a 90% of thepopulation, promised them free
land. Follow me, and when therevolution was successful,
you're going to have free land.
And that's really how they gotAnne and the radicalized
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intellectuals. Alwaysintellectuals played them. He
himself, Mao himself, was aradicalized intellectuals. So
that is how they won thevictory, first victory to gain
power over China, and then afterthat, the real revolution
started. It is the socialistrevolution. So they one of the
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things they did in the late1950s was to have this fantasy
campaign that he believed. Maobelieved that he can mobilize
all the people, 600,000 now, 600million at the time, to just to
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mobilize them to do one thing,to make steel and then and he
believed that in 15 years, hecan surpass United States. It's
called a great leap forward.
Everyone drop everything youknow, school teachers and kids
every and peasants drop outtheir work in the field. They
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did one thing, steel, makingsteel like a furnaces in the
backyard. But that campaignfailed, failed miserably. At the
same time, the crops failed, andafter that, it was great. Famine
lasted for three years, killedup to 50 million people. So that
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was a big deal. That was andeven in the totalitarian regime,
that was a big deal. So Mao wasforced to admit that, you know,
he messed up, and he had forcedto give up certain power, not
all, and it's all happenedwithin the party. Outside,
people have no idea what washappening inside the party, but
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he was forced to give up some ofhis power and and then someone
else was in charge, and he wasthe president of China, and
tried to focus on on. Improvingthe economy, rather than
struggle, class struggle. Maodid not like that. He's a
(05:08):
dictator. He won all the power,so he spent about four years to
have a comeback, and now fastforward to 1966 that was his
cultural revolution. The goal isto take back power. Okay,
(05:29):
imagine the first time he usedthe peasants. This time, his
goal is to take down his ownparty, to take down his own
government, take down his owninstitution. He had an army, but
he really could not use thearmy, but that looked like a
coup, right? But he had someone.
He had a better army that was10s of 1000s of kids, kids that
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have been indoctrinated in thegovernment school in the past 17
years who could not think andincapable of thinking. And I was
one of them. And the only thingthey were taught is to follow
their leader, follow their God,which is Mao. Whatever he asked
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him to them to do it. They willdo it. That's why he did not go
other, right? Like using thearmy. He had army, and so that
is, I think at that time, it'slike, I don't know the exact
number, but 10s of millions ofyoung people from elementary
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school, all the way touniversities. And so he gave
them power. That's the key. Hegave them power to do whatever,
and what's the he wanted them todo, to take down the destroy the
four oaths, old ideas, oldtradition, or old habits and the
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old old habits, the fourtransition, basically take down
the transition, and also to takedown what Mao called the
reactionary intellectualauthority, okay, because all of
them he Mao regarded as a partof the rotten institution, part
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of the that need to be destroyedand replaced by by his own
version of Marxism, which isMaoism. So what do you think the
kids had in mind when they thinkabout the authority.
Chuck Shute (07:44):
Yeah, they don't like, I mean, kids don't like
authority anyways, usually,yeah,
Xi Van Fleet (07:48):
the teachers, right. The first thing they
think about authority is theteachers. Because that's every
day there's the teacher orderedthem around, asking to do this
and that and whatever. So theywent off the teachers, and then
they went after theadministrators, the principals.
And so it was like a rebellionof young people going after the
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teachers. And so at that time inChina, there was not one single
principle that was not spared.
They have to go to go throughthe struggle sessions and beaten
by the kids, by the kids, manyof them killed, and the first
one was the principal killed wasby a bunch of young girls in the
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girls in the most prestigiousMiddle School for Girls in
Beijing, and that was only aboutabout three months into the
Cultural Revolution. So that wasthe first death by the kids and
and then nothing happened tothem, because that's what one mo
(08:57):
wanted. And so and the violencebecome the norm right after
that, okay, but killing teacherswas not really most goal. It's
the people in power, those heconsidered his political enemy.
So one by one by one, the theRed Guards took down those
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people in power. Eventually tookdown the president of China,
Mao's arch enemy. His name wasLiu Shao chi. He went through
struggle sessions and theneventually imprisoned and died
few years later, and we did noteven know until we after the
(09:42):
Cultural Revolution, whathappened to it just disappeared,
gone. So that was, I hope, thatexplained why kids, why teacher.
Chuck Shute (09:55):
It's a small strategy. I mean, it's evil, but
it's it's intelligent. It's astrategy,
Xi Van Fleet (09:59):
absolutely.
Absolutely give them all thepower that is, you know, people
say, How could this young peoplehave that kind of power? And
they can order the principle tokneel and then torture them. And
then why? Because they weregiven the power because Mao told
the young people that they werehis Red Guards, and he was their
(10:22):
commander. Red commander inchief. They have the power, and
that's why people now should beable to understand why the BMA,
MERS and Tifa had that kind ofpower. They just could do
whatever in 2020 right, to burndown the whole cities and and
attack people and and nothinghappened to them.
Chuck Shute (10:51):
Yeah, I never seen anything like that in my life
where it was like the policejust took, went, hands off and
just left because they werescared that a police would would
shoot somebody, and then there'dbe a controvers so they just
kind of let everybody they said,well, it's better to just let
the city burn than to try toYeah,
Xi Van Fleet (11:08):
it's because someone gave them power. And
that is the whole entireDemocratic Party that gave them
the power. Remember, Kamala washere and there, supporting all
those criminals and and and gavethem this, what they call that,
you know, if you are a bailright, gave them bail, and
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that's because they thoserioters, those So called
revolutionaries, were empowered,just exact. That's why, when
people like me saw it, oh, thisis nothing new. We saw it before
we saw it in China, the sametime, during the Cultural
(11:52):
Revolution, the police werewarned if the the Red Guards hit
you, you cannot fight, youcannot hit, that you cannot and
they were, they were forbiddento go into campuses. Why?
Because that's where the killingwere taking place. Same thing,
(12:13):
same thing. And eventually, Mao,this mental the whole, the so
called justice. System. There isno police, absolutely chaos. And
here we disabled the police. Wedemonize them, and we disabled
them that they are not to fightback. Okay, if you do look what
(12:36):
happened to the officer, what'shis name? Share you know that
Derek Chauvin, the guy thatkilled Yeah? Chauvin, yeah, what
happened to him? He's in prayer,in prison, yeah, absolutely. And
there's no way you can arguethat he was doing following the
(13:00):
what he was taught, trained forit, right? And there's just no
way you can argue you end upbeing in jail. Who else there to
do, to stand up and stop therioters? Nobody. So it's a
cultural revolution, yeah, didthey, you
Chuck Shute (13:16):
said they had these posters on the walls when, I
mean, they didn't have socialmedia and so that the posters,
but do they have similar kind ofstrategies? Because here, I
mean, if you look at theterminology they're using, is
it's really smart, like BlackLives Matter. So if you're, if
you're against that, then thenyou, then you don't think Black
Lives Matter, and you're racistor Anti Fascist. If you're
against that, then you're profascist. Did they do similar
(13:37):
kinds of things? Of course. So
Xi Van Fleet (13:40):
those people that they are, they are go, they went
after they were not calledracist. They're called counter
revolutionaries and or for thethose in power, like an upper
level, they were calledcapitalist voters, capitalist
(14:03):
voters. I know it's a stupidterm. Well, what it means those
those people want to take Chinaback to capitalism, to the road
of capitalism. So those are badpeople. So yeah, of course,
there's a ratio of racism wasnot a thing in China. Yeah, it
(14:25):
was more about class, right?
Yes, class and the class wasover. Because by then everyone
supposedly, by then it wassupposedly a classless society,
because all the people that ownland, on property, own factory,
they were eliminated by at thattime. So now it is a black class
versus red class. Black is thepeople that have wrong thoughts
(14:50):
and have condemned as thoughtcriminals, and then the people
with in the red. Class, thepeople who are supporters or
followers of the revolution.
It's the same thing. It's justsubstitute the real class. Yeah,
(15:13):
you have to have stuff by then.
Nobody had stuff. Everything wastaken away by the state. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (15:18):
and you said Mao was from a rich family himself.
I think your quote was, onlythese elite people have time to
start a revolution everyoneelse.
Xi Van Fleet (15:27):
Just think about the revolution. It's the same
thing. You think Bernie Sanderswas a proletarian and you think
he was a working class person.
No, he is a multi millionaires.
And so it's always the case. Youknow that's here. You have a
better word, and it's called buyit. Have you heard about that
(15:47):
word, white liberals? And sothose are the It's a Chinese
word that is the Chinese peoplein China gave the called the
white liberals, Bai Cho, whichmeans white lefties,
Chuck Shute (16:03):
interesting. No, I never heard that. I've heard
limousine, oh, this, becomethis,
Xi Van Fleet (16:07):
become into this, get into the American
vocabulary. And even TuckerCarlson had a little program
when it was student Fox, andthey talk about this word bite.
So I thought it was funny. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (16:24):
did they know? What did they when you were a kid?
What did they teach people inChina about America, that
Americans was evil, evilcapitalists? And, yeah,
Xi Van Fleet (16:33):
of course, it's and so starting in the very
beginning, um, the ChineseCommunist Party, not just
Chinese Communist Party, theSoviet Union. They had a trinity
of enemies, and so among them isChristianity, capitalism and
(16:54):
United States, because UnitedStates happen to be the
strongest capitalist country. Sothey always, always, so we're
taught that it's an evilcountry. It's a country that is
for the for the rich and thepoor. Had no saying they were
(17:15):
oppressed. Yeah, there's justlike a living hells for working
class people, yeah,
Chuck Shute (17:24):
and it sounds like, like you said they use the
peasants, and they would promisethem land. And then you said
they ended up getting beingworse off than when they
started. And then the people,
Xi Van Fleet (17:34):
yeah, that is something I try to tell American
people, because right now we areon the Phase One of the
revolution, which is a wokerevolution, and with all the
promises, just like the PhaseOne of Chinese communist
revolution, promise, what? Freeland, fairness, justice, and so
(17:59):
you follow me, we're going tobuild this society that is
classless. That is that everyonehas to share, share the same
thing, which is like neighbors,just like a team, Team. Watts
said socialism is laborneighborliness. That's what they
believed and what happened.
Okay, so they got the landbecause after the revolution in
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1949 after they got power, andthey started this campaign
called land reform, all thepeasants were organized to take
land from the landlord. Not onlythat, they have to go through
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class struggle. You can't justlike a water from central
government, that you have to getthe land. No, they don't want
that. They want bloody conflict,because through that, they
believe the peasants will willgain consciousness class
consciousness, because class wasnot a thing in China. It's not
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something you're born with, andyou can get rich or you can lose
your fortune. So it's not butthrough this bloody conflict,
they hope that the peasants willgain the class consciousness.
And during that campaign, ittook like a three years, 2
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million landlord were killed,killed by who by peasants. So
they turned peasants into stocksand killers, and that's what the
revolution was about. So that'show they got the land. So they
were happy. Okay, okay, I killedthe landlord, but, you know, I'm
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okay with it because they gotland. Mm. Uh, three years later,
maybe four, the government said,you know, now everybody has a
little bit land, but that's notvery efficient. Let's share.
Let's just put land alltogether. So it's called
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people's commune. So your landis mine, mine is yours. That's
just a happy, big family. Sowithin four years, they lost
their land. Everyone, everyoneso it's even today, there's no
land. Every inch of land inChina belong to the state.
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Belong to the party.
Chuck Shute (20:44):
That's so yeah. And didn't you say, see, one of your
biggest things about this bookis, and your advice to Americans
is to understand what's goingon. You can't fight back if you
don't understand. And that's oneof the things that you
mentioned, is that that's a bigclue. Whenever they use the word
peoples the People's Republic,the People's commune, the
people's minds, a huge
Xi Van Fleet (21:03):
red flag, yes, absolutely, it's not the way the
people it's people's and and sothis is a very important for
Americans to understand, butthey don't, because we lived the
phase two of the communistpromise. We are right now in
phase one right. We stillPromise, Promise, Promise, this
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promise that the human rightswe're going to have a society
that we all entitled ofeverything, not just life,
liberty and the pursuit ofhappiness. By the way, are
entitled of housing, we'reentitled, well, health care,
we're entitled. Of, how aboutfood? How about everything else?
Sounds so good. And if you knowhistory, you know what are going
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to happen? Really happen. Butpeople don't know history
because it's not taught, andthat is by by design. When you
don't know history, you thoughtyou engaged something just just
just new. And I think a lot oftimes in 2020 people just like
shocked, what is going on, whathappened to our country. And I'm
(22:16):
sure this is shocking to a lotof people, but to people like
me. Oh, seen this before, downthat know what is? What the end
result is? That's why, yeah, mybook is really just to educate
people, to let people know thatthis is history repeating.
Chuck Shute (22:39):
Yeah, because if you make a good point about how
everyone, majority of people,agree Nazis are bad, right? We
agree with that. But it's likethere's this now, this, this
sudden resurgence of communismand socialism, or democratic
socialism, or they call itdifferent things. That's
basically communism and thatit's not bad. We don't, they
don't talk about the history,the famines and Stalin and all
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these people that are communistleaders, that people have
suffered under their reign, andthat's people like, there's a
lot of young people that wantthis. They are pushing, oh,
Xi Van Fleet (23:10):
they want it absolutely. And the new party,
you know that there is aCommunist Party USA that founded
in 1919 and two years before thefounding of Chinese Communist
Party, which was 1921 so it'scalled CP USA, Communist Party
(23:33):
USA. And in recent it's kind oflike a outdated and it's there,
but But recently, theirmembership is increasing like
crazy, yeah. And now we have anew party called the
revolutionary Communist PartyUSA. And we saw them. I saw the
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videos of them havingdemonstration in Philadelphia
with a flag, you know, thesickle and hammer flag. It they
absolutely think this is thegreatest thing. Why here?
There's just so many thingshappened, so many things
happened that history wasrewritten, erased, or you or
(24:18):
created. So why people condemnNazi and after the World War,
two laws were passed, especiallyin Germany. You cannot defend
Nazism. You cannot even questionit. You cannot even question it.
If you even question a certainevent during Nazi time, you can
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be prison, jailed. Lot of peoplewere jailed by asking questions.
And how about communism? This isthe real problem, because during
the World War Two, FDR andAmerican policy makers still.
Decided that somehow it is agood idea to ally with a
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communist regime, a totalitariancommunist regime against Nazi
and after the World War Two, itwas the communist that put the
Nazi on trial. So after WorldWar Two was thinking like a
communism, okay, even today, youcan ask a lot of young people if
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they know any history at all,they are grateful that Soviet
Union helped to defeat Nazi. Howmany people Nazi killed, I think
it's about 20 million. How manypeople communist killed?
Hundreds of million, right?
People don't know. People don'tknow because it's deliberately
(25:53):
hidden from the from the public.
Chuck Shute (25:59):
Yeah. And then the whole idea is to divide people
into the oppressor or theoppressed. And so, like you
said, in China, they didn't,they didn't have the race thing
because most people wereChinese, so that they use class,
but here they're using race. Butthere does seem to be the class
thing too. There's a lot oflike, hatred towards
billionaires and absolutely richpeople, yeah, but yeah, right,
(26:23):
billionaires that are on theleft side, which that's what I
find. Like you said, BernieSanders, he has three houses.
He's flying private jets, butthey don't call him out. He's
okay to have my I don'tunderstand it.
Xi Van Fleet (26:33):
Okay, you, you.
This is what happened. Okay? So,classic. Marxism is based on
class class struggle. It's alleverything, whatever happened.
They call it class struggle. Andthat was a mouse model. Um, we
will talk about class struggleevery year, every month, every
(26:59):
day. It is the thing, you know,we have, okay, but that did not
really work in the classicMarxism did not work in
industrialized country. It neverworked. It's supposed the the
his the revolution is supposedto take place in UK, Germany and
France. Back then, in the mid,mid 1800 United States was not
(27:25):
even that much industrialized.
So Mark Karl Marx think, thoughtthat those are the countries
that will see the the uprisingof the working class and then
the Communist revolution thatdid not happen, and because
coming capitalism somehow ableto generate enough wealth that
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created a middle class, right?
So no one having a okay life, ifnot great, would join your
revolution, and which might meanthat you lose everything you
live in your life. So, so thefirst communist revolution that
took place, that successfullytook place was in the backwarded
country of Russia, and thenChina was even less developed.
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So, but okay, it was successful.
But in order to take down thewest, you have to do something
different, because they justwon't work. And so that is why
we have cultural Marxism, right?
Chuck Shute (28:37):
Yeah. Do you think I wanted to get your take on
immigration and that wholething, because I've never seen
anything like it in my lifetimewhere the border was just so
open. Were they bringing theseimmigrants in to help with the
revolution? Or because, yeah, itwas under the guise of, oh, we
care about these people. Givethem help and,
Xi Van Fleet (28:56):
okay, help me to stay on track. So I'm getting
somewhere. So because theCultural Marxism is tailor made
for the West, so you still haveclass, because that's the the
Bernie Sanders breed, right?
They still talk about richagainst the poor, but that's
just not enough. If that's allthey talk about, it's just not
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enough, so they have to gobroaden it. And in America, what
you do, of course, race. So it'sa black against the white. Now
it is non white against white.
They're now against brownpeople, black people, brown and
whatever. And then sex, womenagainst men, and then it is, and
(29:45):
it is sexuality, gay againstwhatever they call cis people,
cisgender. They made it up. Andthen it's the absolute. They
just expand, expand, expand. Whyto divide? Okay, so when you
talk about, when you talk aboutimmigration, okay, there's a lot
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of things going on aboutimmigration. One to me, the
easiest way to understand it isto import proletarians. You is
proletarians, the word that youknow, Marx. Marxists use
proletarians against the Bucha.
That was the terms that I grewup with. Proletarians are the
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pressed. Bourgeois was theoppressor. Okay, so the reason
they want to import so many, weknow that they want import
voters. They also want to importenough proletarian to change the
markup of the population, right?
(30:56):
So, so if you look at that way,it's just easy to understand.
And where do these people go?
They don't go to the ruralareas. They all pretty much go
to the city, and then they canmake stronghold for the
Democrats and keep those statesblue, because the more
underclass, the bigger it is.
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It's easier for them becausethey promise them. They always
promise them free stuff. So in away, this is how I look at it.
The the open border is really away for them to import the poor
people so that they can have abetter way to have class
(31:38):
struggle. The Marxist, theclassic Marx doctrine, class
struggle that you create, youcan expand the underclass,
because those people mostly comehere and get into what cities
and and join on, join theunderclass, right, right. Yeah.
(32:01):
That's how I look at and ofcourse, they don't. And the
people that come in is anotherway to divide them the American
society, because those people,most of them, do not share the
same value. And then you createdtribes, and that's what they
want, and all the things they dois create more tribes. That
(32:24):
tribes with some kind ofidentity. We are not short of
any identity if you don't haveone, created one, because that
is what they do. They createtribes. When we have tribes
everywhere, we don't have aUnited States of America. We
have a divided States ofAmerica. And then that's how
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they control. And then you oneof the biggest questions, why
they do that? Why Mao woulddivide all the people and state
them against each other? We knowwhy. Mao, right. You want power.
Yeah, I control, and he gotpower. Same thing here, same
(33:06):
thing here. They want to divide.
And through division, they takecontrol because they want power.
So,
Chuck Shute (33:16):
yeah, in your mind, in your view, seeing this play
out in real time if thingscontinued, and it did go to the
phase two or the next levels.
These, these, some of theseelites, like, there's a lot of
celebrities you mentioned yourbook, like Don Lemon, you know,
he's considered oppressed. Youknow, Bruce Springsteen recently
spoke out against Trump, youknow, and you say in the book
(33:37):
that fancy clothes andhairstyles are banned. How would
these like Hollywood elites andthe rich liberals? How would
they? How would it work out forthem? Like, are they getting
screwed over?
Xi Van Fleet (33:50):
Yes, this is the I'm glad we need to keep on
track, because if, if, sometimesI just go off track, just go
back to the mouse revolution. SoI said in his first revolution,
it was poor peasants. And poorpeasants is the majority,
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majority of the population. Andthen they have the radicalized
intellectuals. So theintellectuals actually are where
to do people you can't be inlecture if you're third poor
right, usually from rich family.
And they kind of like today'swhite liberals. They feel like
they know what's the best wayfor people to live. They want to
(34:35):
liberate the marginalizedpeople. They want to help the
marginalized people. So that'sthere, because in the West, it's
even worse. Why? Because theCultural Marxism have
indoctrinated so many peoplethey absolutely believe in the.
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Original Sin, the white guilt,and the sin of the white sin,
which is slavery, Jim Crow, theyabsolutely believe that they are
responsible for it. And soCultural Marxism, give your way
(35:17):
out, give you a redemption youcan attempt by what, by join the
revolution, by become, you know,become a part of the the woke of
revolution, because yours nowyou stand for the oppressed. Now
you stand for the marginalized,and you become part of the
(35:37):
revolution. But again, whathappened in China? That is why
it's just so important forpeople to understand what
happened, what happened to thoseintellectuals after the Cultural
and after the the communist tookover power. They did land
reform. II described already,right? They also did something
(36:01):
called thought reform,
Chuck Shute (36:06):
right? Yeah, those are the same thought right?
Isn't that what you said?
Thought
Xi Van Fleet (36:12):
reform? Yeah. So those are for those
intellectuals that helped withthe revolution, the same people
that helped the revolution nowbecome a danger, because they
think right. The peasants don'tthink they gave them land. They
will be happy, supposedly,right? But the intellectuals,
(36:33):
they think so. They have thisthought reform that took place.
But the same time. So they arethe target is the intellectuals,
and after that they have theanti right campaign. So it's
like a non stop. And during thatcampaign, millions of
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intellectuals, or the so calledliberals, they persecuted and
some sent to the labor camp.
Many died there, and that iswhat happened to the liberals.
Chuck Shute (37:13):
And what about how did China deal with the I want
to know how they helped dealtwith this problem in the past,
and how they deal with it now,because here we have a big thing
with drug addicts, homelesspeople, vagrants, people on
disability, a lot of people thatjust want to do nothing, and
they want to do their drugs andand just be free or whatever.
Like, how would that work? Howdoes that work? In China, if
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someone's just, I want to behomeless and I'm just going to
smoke pot or drink, like,because don't they see you as
like, kind of an employee of thestate, like you need to be
producing, and if you're notproducing, then they don't want
to, they want them to get rid
Xi Van Fleet (37:48):
of you, right? The key is to understand whether
homeless will be helpful forthose who want power here too,
right? It's helpful. Okay,
Chuck Shute (38:04):
one power, but then once they have the power, then
what do they do? They don't getokay?
Xi Van Fleet (38:07):
Now let me go back to China. Okay, that's kind of a
that's what I try to tellpeople. We have to compare what
happened in China is that,before the they when they took
power and the government, theythen the China, the Chinese
(38:30):
Communist Party, actually werecultivating opium for money
because they have, they don'thave enough money to sustain
themselves, so they actuallybegan to cultivate opium and
(38:51):
then traffic that out to thegovernment controlled areas,
which Is the nationalist sobecause they want money, so they
don't care, because they're allChinese, right? Yeah. Some is
under their rule in in certainparts of China, and the others
are under the government ofRepublic of China. They traffic,
(39:17):
they, they traffic the opium tothe government controlled area
in exchange for money to sustaintheir base. Okay? So after and
they did not allow the to bedistributed within their area,
(39:38):
tightly controlled, you can't,okay, so once the the two call
the took over China. They wantpeople to obey. They want people
to be productive. They almostright away the banned drug use,
the banned prostitution, the.
Banned everything that'ssupposed to be bad, but before
(40:01):
they they encourage that,because that become a disabled,
a way to disable the destabilizethe society. Yeah, so and so.
You think those rioters today,they can just go into the store
and loot and there's no problem.
(40:21):
Now once, if Kamala and theDemocrats had total power, they
would not like that. They wouldsend all those looters and
whatever to concentration campor to a labor camp, not
concentration camp, to laborcamp.
Chuck Shute (40:37):
Yeah, is that where you went? You said you went to
the countryside? Yeah, yeah,they do the what is it's like
brainwashing or re education,like, what is that? It sounds
scary.
Xi Van Fleet (40:49):
Okay, that is another story that is a after
the we're everywhere. Okay, soafter the Red Guards took, took
the power for Mao, they become aproblem. They were absolutely
(41:12):
become a become a thugs, andthat's how they did everything
for Mao. But after their job isfinished, they become a threat
to Mao. So Mao send them all tothe countryside and to get so
called RE education from thepeasants and so. And also, the
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other reason is that the there'sno jobs, and Mao destroyed
everything. There's no jobs incity, and he did not want to
have a lot of unemployed youth,you know, roaming around the
city, so he sent all high schoolkids to the countryside, and
that's what happened to me. Butalso, I mentioned about the the
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labor camp for theintellectuals, for thought
reform. So that is always a wayfor them to get rid of people
they don't want and send them tolabor camp.
Chuck Shute (42:11):
Yeah, because they you think like, if you're, if
you're really good, you're onthe side, you're you're on mouse
side, and you're high up. Butthen he you think like you're
doing really good, right? Butthen he looks at you and he sees
a threat, and he wants to removethe threat, because he wants
absolute power.
Xi Van Fleet (42:26):
That's what I'm trying to tell American people.
AOC, you think you're on therise. And a lot of those are
like a like a Mark Cuban thoughtthat they were on the right
side, right? That is on thewinning side. And then whatever.
Now none, none of them is it'scommunism is not safe for
anyone. Even Mao turned seems tobe a winner. But as soon as he
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died, his widow was put ontrial, at a show trial, and
sentenced to death. Okay, sothere's like there were just no
winner, and people don'tunderstand why there's no
winner, because with even if youget into the winning side, you
climb up the power structure,because the power is never
(43:16):
stable, and there is a Non stoppower, strong struggle and the
most ruthless main way. But youknow that Xi Jinping now may
lose power. There is a veryfierce game fight going on in in
within the CCP, we may learnsoon that he's out of power and
(43:37):
that, I don't know how brutalthis time he is, he may just
disappear. We don't know, but noone is safe. You, when you have
communism, totalitarianism, thistotalitarian power structure,
structure, no one is safe, noone. So
Chuck Shute (43:55):
how can they? Can they can just take power. They
can just kind of bully their wayin and just take him out and
just take it.
Xi Van Fleet (44:03):
I don't even know, because I'm never there. It's
you cannot trust anyone, right?
You You look for an old foropponent or attackers. It is not
a way to live, but that's what atotalitarian system is, is
about. So here, you know,sometimes I would just thinking
(44:24):
why they would want to do this.
We finally figured out a way, incountries like the United
States, everyone can have power,right? If you you're power
hungry, you can have power. Whatyou need to do? You need to
convince the voters, right, thatyou have a good idea and that
(44:45):
somehow you convince them thatyou you are the one people were
put to power. But the problemwith that is the power is
limited, not only limited inpower, but you cannot. Be in
power forever. So there's a lotof limitation for people like
(45:06):
the communists that's just notgood enough. They want not just
power. They want permanent andabsolute power, and that's what
the communist here want toachieve. The same thing they
want, like one party system thatthey choose who will be the
leader. So where, this is what Iimagine, if Kamala succeeded,
(45:31):
succeeded and and they havepermanent power, will still have
the election. We're still havetwo candidates, one Republican
and what? But we know that it isa woman for show. They pick who
will be the press, the presidentand the president, and God knows
(45:53):
how they get there through thepower struggle. And so that is
the thing they don't want topower through the democratic
process. They want power justlike you know what happened in
Russia and in China permanent
Chuck Shute (46:10):
Who do you think is? Yeah, who do you think is
pulling the strings behind a lotof this stuff? Do you know who
is kind of behind the scenes?
Because the Democrats raised, Ithink, a billion dollars for
this campaign. There's a lot ofmoney being thrown to the left
to stay in power. Do you knowwho, like you have theories as
to who it is that's perfectly
Xi Van Fleet (46:31):
I don't. Oh, you know we can only, we can only
guess. And my guess is that it'snot, it's the globalist it's a
group of people, yeah, so theywant control and of not just
United States or not just theWest, they want to control the
entire world. And so they arethe ones behind all this. They
(46:54):
say Obama's third term. I thinkObama's first two terms was also
controlled by those people soand I think a lot of this
presidents that we had werecontrolled by those people.
That's why they hate Trump somuch. That's why Trump posed
(47:15):
such a threat, because no onecan control him, and that's all,
I think, yeah, what?
Chuck Shute (47:23):
No, what do you think? Because there's like, a
meme I saw that was like, itsaid something about, like, why
doesn't, why don't they careabout climate change in China?
And it's because, well, theyalready have communism there. Do
you feel like climate change?
Xi Van Fleet (47:36):
It's Paul, it's, yeah, it's excuse. It's absolute
excuse. Climate crisis and whatthey are really after gave me
more power, I will solve theproblem power. Give me more
power everything they do, youknow, so I would, you know,
sometimes I think I'm justprobably need to be a little
(47:59):
subtle, more subtle, but I'm notsubtle. You cannot give them
benefit of doubt. Everyintention they have is driven by
power. That means all theirintention, their intention is
evil. It's never, never aboutthe marginalized people. It's
never about the black people.
It's never about the gays andand trans it's all about power,
Chuck Shute (48:29):
right? Because they don't have the trans thing in
China, it's kind of interesting.
There's a billion I think hisname is Roy Singham, and he's
from he's a member of theChinese Communist Party, and he
donates a lot of money to thetrans movement here in America,
but he doesn't donate any moneyto to it for China. So it's kind
of
Xi Van Fleet (48:46):
wants chaos here.
Everything they do is for power,and everything they do is for
division and chaos. What
Chuck Shute (48:54):
about education in China? Because that does seem to
be an area that, I mean onpaper, at least it's, you know,
China, kids in China, their testscores and things are much
higher than America. They have,I know, tick tock and what
Xi Van Fleet (49:09):
had an ex. He had a tweet, and I think I can't
find it anymore. He said, youknow, China is doing a great
job, and we, we can't be leftbehind. China is not doing a
great job now they have totalcontrol of the educational
system, and then they really,really treat the kids as slaves.
(49:32):
It is not a desirable place tobe as a kid, so the Mother's Day
just just a few weeks ago, andthen there is something when
went viral. So there's a lot ofkids went to social media said,
(49:54):
A Mother's Day, I wish I wasnever born so that I don't have
to put up. Life with this kindof like a this life as a
student. As a little kid, youwork from the moment you woke
up, more work, more work, andand then, then the homework,
(50:16):
homework until bedtime. And thenwe can you have to go to get
tutored and some kind of extraclasses, and the goal is to get
to college, get to the bestcollege, and then when you get
out of college, two thirds ofthe people can't find jobs.
(50:36):
Nowadays, it is not it's notabout creativity, it's about
memorizing. It is aboutAbsolutely. It's about control.
So I don't think that that'strue. Do in that process, in
that system, you create somevery, very good students with
(50:57):
like, a math skills and butoverall, that system is so
rotten that really treat kids asresources for the party. Because
before Mao wants those kids tobe revolutionaries, today, Xi
Jinping want those kids to behis slaves to build his empire.
(51:20):
You know, it's all about power,power in different faiths and
the different stages. Now he hedid not want those people, the
kids, to be revolutionary, tomake trouble, because he's in
power. He had power. He justwant them to obey and serve, not
for themselves, but for theparty and for him, and, yeah,
(51:43):
for the government. I hope thatmakes sense.
Chuck Shute (51:46):
Yeah, no, it does, I think, because, I mean, you
talk about that, like, how theone thought it's just everybody
must think the same. And youmentioned that in your book
about how when you got toWestern Kentucky, you're like,
oh, like, I'm supposed to, like,think for myself. No one's ever
asked me what I thought aboutthings. I was always just
supposed to think the same thingthat the the Chinese Communist
Party thought. So I thought, No,
Xi Van Fleet (52:04):
I just told you. I was saying, yeah. So, yeah,
exactly. So I we have a problem.
Here we are experienced Mao'sCultural Revolution, and then
when Mao want to use the kids asrevolutionaries to overthrow the
government so that he can tookpower, right? Can consolidate
power. That's why we're now. Nowthey don't care about learning
(52:25):
academics or improve yourskills. Now they won't turn them
into activists, or another word,revolutionaries, because right
now, they want the kids to betheir army of rebellion, and
just like Mao did during theCultural Revolution, so
(52:47):
different stages called fordifferent strategies. So Mao use
different strategies for power.
And right now, here they aredoing. Everything they do,
everything they do is about howto get power, how to get more
power, how to get to this to thestates that they have control of
(53:12):
everything, and just like a oneparty and one group that make
decisions and take over theentire world.
Chuck Shute (53:24):
Yeah, well, you've written the book. You're doing
interviews. You're doing yourpart. I'm trying to do my part
by sharing this information.
Hopefully people will listen,and again, the book is available
now people, I'll put the show orthe link in the show notes. And
thank you so much for doingthis. It's It's two o'clock, so
I want to let you get out ofhere, but I appreciate you
taking the time to do this. Ireally do
Xi Van Fleet (53:44):
well. Thank you so much. Okay, it's a great
conversation. All right, yes,
Chuck Shute (53:47):
absolutely. Thank you so much. Goodbye. Bye.
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