Comedian Andrew Orolfo Talks Bombing, Coachella, Rage Baiting, Clip Farming & More!

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Andrew Orolfo (00:29):
that's juniper.
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Well behaved. Then we'll be barking on the call or
anything. Nah, definitelynot. Oh, perfect. What is that a
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I just that's from the body Icould recognize it.

She's got a little IKEA hat on. Yeah,

I like this. I like, I like looking to see what
you have back there that'sexciting, rather than just a
boring, white background

as a very boy room.

Is this your studio or this is where

I live, this is where I live. Brother,

do you know you guys? Do you do some pod podcast
of your own? Right? It's like awith, like, a joint thing or
something,

um, I do a game show with my two best friends.
It's like, I'm, I don't, it's agame show. It's kind of like,
somewhat movie, the actingtrivia, kinda, but not really.
It's, it's in the film and TVworld, but it's, it's just a

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silly game show I created.

Okay, so what is your what is your wheelhouse, in
terms of movie and besides, Xenathe warrior Prince, do you like
all, like sitcoms and stuff too,or like all over or do you have
a

certain I like, I like everything I lately, I've
been into, like, a lot ofhorror. I just saw Final
Destination bloodlines

yesterday. Oh, really, how was that I was I
wanted to see that. I liked it.
Actually liked

it. I mean, obviously it's like, one of
those where it's, yeah, it's inanxiety inducing, but his fine
is a fun one. Yeah,

I just went back and watched all the other ones.
So I was caught up to, I didn'trealize somebody said that part
five was a prequel, which I waslike, Oh, I didn't think I
noticed that.

Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't think I even
saw that one, to be honest.
Yeah,

there's so many movies and sequels and remakes
now and reboots, it's like, it'shard to keep up with everything.
Yeah,

and then that all the trailers for the the movie
was all horror films, and like,half of them were, like, reboots
or remakes, like they're doing,uh, what is coming out? I Know
What You Did Last Summer.

Oh, right, right, right, yeah, I remember that
with, uh, Jennifer Love Hewittback in the day. She's in the
trailer.

So she's in this one. Okay, so Jeanette and
Freddie Prince? Oh, wow, yeah.

I haven't seen him in anything in a long time.
Yeah. I love when they say,like, I think I saw one of these
on Jennifer Love hewer, wherethey're like, Jennifer Love
Hewitt. She's unrecognizable.
It's like, you mean she gotolder, like, some years, like,
yeah,

yeah, no, work done. Just, just getting old.
Yeah,

if you don't do work, you you get older. It's a
crazy idea, that's like,Hollywood doesn't understand it.
But, yeah, dramatic. Did you seethat George went died? Or do you
know who that is?

I don't think so.
I mean, I've heard the name. Letme

look. Have you ever watched cheers? Might be you
might be too young. No,

I did not watch tears. I didn't I know what it
is. Yeah,

he was a bit. He was the star that show. He just
died, like I just saw that rightbefore. We jumped on there. It's
crazy. I had, you know, comedianRon on

hershberg, yeah, so funny, so funny. Yeah, I

had him on a few years ago. So crazy. We're
sitting there talking, and he'slike, Oh my God, and he's
checking his phone. He goes, Ohnorm McDonald died. I was like,
Oh my God. And they'll like,change the whole like episode. I
was trying to add all thesequestions for him. Then I was
like, he's like, Norm,McDonald's, one of my favorite
comedians. So to find that out,in the middle of the interview,

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it was so crazy. It just shiftedthe entire vibe of the
interview. I was like, I don'twant to talk about now,

well, I don't really know who the whence guys
is, so I think the vibe willstay the same, yeah,

I know. I mean, I was like, a I was a fan of it's
like, I think that's one thing.
Because how old are you?
Younger, right? You're like, inyour what 20s or no, I'm 34
you're 34 early 30s. Oh, yeah.
So you haven't reallyexperienced it like as much. But
what's weird, the older you get,the more people you know, more
celebrities, your friends, yourThe more people you know that
die. It's kind of, it's thisweird thing. It's kind of like,

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depressing, yeah,

no, I'm no, I'm kind of seeing it. I'm kind of
seeing it now I'm seeing a lotof those, uh, I'm just like,
realizing a lot of the peoplethat I grew up watching are just
like, I. Like, all the peoplewho my age that I would see on
TV were all, they're all, like,moms, dads on TV. Now it's like,
Oh, wow. Like I was thinkingabout this, like, I used to

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watch Rugrats growing up, right?
And now I'm like, Oh, I'm like,actually, the age of the
parents, and I don't relate, youknow? Yeah, I'm not, I'm not
relating to the Rugrats anymore,just I'm the age of the parents.
And that's kind of crazy to me.

Yeah, that is something that is weird. When
you watch movies when you're akid and it's a family movie, or
whatever, there's a parents init, and there's the kids, and
you re you relate to the kidswhen you're a kid, and then you
get older, you relate to theparents. You're like, Oh, I I
see where they're coming from. Isee why that dad is so angry. I
feel that pain

now. I look back on Rugrats, I was like, he owned
a house. That's crazy. What?
How? Yeah,

that is a crazy thing with the your generation.
It's it's really hard to own ahouse, whereas I feel like, in
the 1950s and 60s, like that wasthe American dream. You could
buy a house for like, nothing.
It was like, so cheap, and nowthe housing prices are
outrageous. It's insane. I don'tknow if they're going to be able
to buy people are going to beable to buy houses. Yeah.

I mean, I hope the dream is to make it in this
business and buy a house. Me andmy girlfriend were actually
talking about it a little bitago, and we're like, you. We
were both like, you better makeit so we can buy a house.

The pressures on you. What does she? Is she in
the business too? Or, what isshe? She

is no, we're both. We're both pressuring each
other. Like, hey, you betterbook something quick. We're
running out of time. Yeah.

I mean, do you because the thing is, I feel
like now everyone's got to dolike, multiple things. Like,
back in the day, you could justbe a comedian, now you got to be
a comedian, podcaster, do socialmedia, act, write, produce, like
all these other things.

Yeah. And it's like, if you don't do another
thing, it's like you're gonna,you're, you're gonna get left in
the dust. You gotta doeverything now, I think it's
just because if you doeverything you're it's kind of
easier for everyone else to,like, hop on what you're doing.
You know,

like, yeah, you notice that? Is that how you
have fall grown most of yourfollowing is through clips with
comedy and social media.

Yeah, most of the most of it has been off clips.
And I'm not, I'm I need to postmore like, I know, like, I'm not
like the social media guruperson, but a lot of my
following has come from justlike, a random clip popping off.

Yeah, I heard you say something about how some of
the clips that don't do well,it's because you felt like the
joke wasn't finished. But if thejoke is finished, then it
usually does pretty well.

Yeah, I've noticed. I've noticed, if like,
because sometimes I'll panicpost and I'll just chop up
something real quick, becauseI'm like, oh, I need a post. I
need to post. And then I postit, and then, obviously, in
like, a couple weeks, or like amonth, I like, look back at it.
I'm like, Oh, this wasn't thatgood. The joke is so good now I
wish I waited to post it. Now,when the joke is like, better,

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and I noticed that, I've noticedsometimes when I panic post, it
doesn't do good. But when, whenI sit on a joke and I finish it
and then I put it out, it doesway better this it does well,
yeah,

it seems like the process from for me. I mean, I'm
not a comedian, but I interviewa lot, and it seems like what
they do is they will do, youknow, get this material,
practice it, take it around thecountry, and then hone it, and
then do a special, and then youpost the special, then you chop
up the special into little bits,and then you post all the bits,
and then you start a new Pro,and then you just start the

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process all over again. Yeah,

yeah. I mean, that's what the plan. The goal
is for this year is to shootsomething and then do that,
because I haven't shot a specialor anything yet, so I would I
would, I would, like to, yeah,

but you do have, like, professional shot, like, I
don't know it was like, thedon't tell comedy or so, like,
you have stuff that'sprofessionally shot. Is that
from, like, a, like, a groupthing where they just gave you,
like, 10 minutes or something,or, yeah,

yeah. So those are just, they're called, I
think they're called Secretsets. And they just hand pick
whoever they want, and then youget a little tiny 10 minutes
hit, I guess you maybe it's likea miniature special, but it's
short set, and they put it outand see what happens.

Yeah, no, I mean, because that's, that's, I think
that's how I Found You was, uh,I watched some of your clips and
stuff, and I was like, Oh, thisstuff is great. And then you
have then you have, you didJames Corden, I think, I mean,
that was a while ago, but wereyou able to chop up the bits
from that? Or does he own those?

No, I was able to chop them up. I just they, they
sent me. I think that eitherthey sent me the set, I don't
know, I don't remember, but, orI just took it off YouTube.
Either way, they didn't say.
Anything when I post, okay, so Ithink it's okay, and the show's
gone. So they can't really doanything. They can't come after
me. But, yeah, but that was likebefore. I think when I did that,

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that was before clips was even athing. I don't think, yeah, I
don't think when, when that cameout. Reels weren't a thing yet,
Real Reels came out, like, maybea few, like post pandemic, I
think. And then,

yeah, I do remember, like, because Mark
Norman, that's how I discoveredhim, was around the same time,
2019, and I think you're right.
I don't think it was reels,though. I think it was just
Instagram videos.

Yeah, you could just post a video and it would
just the nobody was captioning.
It was just like, sometimes youjust post a video, and then for
a minute, I was like, anti dothat. But now it's like, you
have to do it. But at thebeginning I was like, but it
looks nice, right now, you know,back then it was just like, it
looked kind of like, it was justlike, almost like a home video.
You know, it was like a tinylittle square, nobody was doing

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long, like, you just postvideos, but then later, when the
reels came out, I actually,like, chopped it up and put it
out, and then it did. Some ofthem did pretty good.

Yeah, that's the tough thing, too. And then you
can, you can also, I think whata lot of comedians seem to do
now is they because to keep up,because obviously, if you're
honing a special, you don'thave, you know, five days of
material every week. But I thinkwhat a lot of comedians post is
their crowd work,

yeah, lot of crowd work, because that's just
the easiest to clip farm. Ithink you know what that means,
right? Yeah, okay,

get from, get clips from. Yeah. Never heard that
term, but that makes sense.

Yeah, that's definitely the easiest thing to
do, because you could just, it'sa new moment every time. So
like, when you're doing crowdwork, it's rare, like, the same
thing pops up. So, yeah, it's agood way of getting followers.
And I do it too. Everybody doesit. I think you kind of have

to do you like, crowd work, because, like, to
me, that always seemed like thehardest part to think on your
feet and to have the joke like,boom. Like, right away, like to
react. But comedians, theyalways tell me, like, oh, that's
the easiest part,

because you you get used to it, like, after you
do it enough times, like, it'sit becomes like a reflex, like,
how to think on your feet andstuff, like, you just do it
enough times you get good at it.
And when I first started, Iwasn't in a crowd where comedian
at all. I was like, kind ofanti, not anti that. But I was
kind of too scared to do it, youknow? I was just like, I wrote

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these. Just say, appreciatethese, and I'll, I'll do
whatever. But then I starteddoing it, and then it became
really fun and less scary. Andsometimes it's just like, you
get tired of your jokes, andsometimes you just want to
connect and be loose, you know.
Maybe it's like, you're superdrunk on a second show on a

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Friday, and you're like, I don'twant to do this anymore, you
know. And then you just, youjust breath, have fun with the
audience. And I think theaudience like, likes it, you
know sometimes, yeah,

that's like, one of the comedians I've had on a
couple times. Do you know Rhinoflan again at

all? Not personally, but yeah, I know who
that is. Yeah,

I think he's, he's pretty funny. And he, I went to
his show because I watch a lotof his, like short video. He
does more like skit kind ofhumor. But I haven't seen a lot
of his stand up, so then Ifinally went to see a stand up
and like, I was like, Oh, thisis kind of like, you're just
hanging out with him. Like he'sjust, like riffing. It was a lot
of crowd work. And he saidthat's how he likes his shows to
be, like you're just hanging outwith him. And I was like, I like

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that. That's actually, like afun show to go to.

Yeah, I feel like audiences love, I mean, I think
everybody loves authenticity. Sowhen you're doing crowd work,
you're kind of just like you'rechilling, they get to see kind
of the real you and, like, howyou react to things, and it's a
fun moment.

Yeah, I think that you nailed it right there,
authenticity, because that's,that's what I love about
comedians now, because if youlook at back at the history of
comedy, like when comediansfirst started, even through,
like the 80s and 90s, I feellike a lot of jokes were very
it's almost too scripted, likehow they're telling, you know,
if you watch a lot of comedy,you can almost figure out where

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the joke is going. Yes, I don'tlike that. I think that this new
style of comedy, where there'smore crowd work and more
authenticity, and even whenyou're telling a joke, it
doesn't sound like you'rewriting a joke. It sounds like
you're just talking like yourjoke about how I love your joke
about how you're like, I'm anAsian dude with glasses. Yeah,
look smart. I mean, that justsounds like you're just thinking

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out loud and Oh,

thank you. Yeah, yeah. Me, personally, I try to,
like a lot of the bits that I'mdoing now, it kind of, I try to
add, make sure I add an aspectof, like I talk to the audience,
so it's kind of like I'm doingplan crowd work, just so I can

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get clips and stuff. But it's inthe like, the either the
beginning or the middle of thebit, where I have the full bit,
like I could do the bit withoutthe crowd work, like the bits
there, but I do like to add,like, I have a bit about how I
used to be a preschool teacher,right? And it's on my Comedy
Central set. But now, if I stilldo the bit, I just ask if

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there's any teachers in theaudience, and then we talk about
teaching for like, a fewminutes, and then I get to hear
people's experiences, so itdoesn't feel as it's just a bit.
Now it's just like, Oh, it's abit. But let me hear how you,
how y'all feel about what youwere like when you were teaching

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and stuff like that. And then itgoes back into the bit. I've
been doing that a lot,

okay, because I just, I can't remember if this
is I get so mixed up sometimesbecause I watch so many clips
and comedy. Were you the onethat had the bit about where you
asked the guy, like, how longthey've been teaching? And they
said, like, 40 years. Andthey're like, Oh, we so you were
around when you used to be ableto hit kids, or, yeah, yeah,
okay, yeah.

So, yeah, I'll do that. Like, I'll just, I'll do
that. And, like, I don't need todo that, that, that part, but I
just do it because it kind ofgets me out of, like, because,
you know, I do these bits allthe time, like, every weekend,
you know, the same bits, likerunning the hour and stuff like
that. So that that littlesection just gets me out of the

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what is it called? Like therepetitiveness, you know, I It
feels more fun and interactiveand improv like, so I'm not
bored just reciting the samething I've been saying this
whole weekend, you know?

Yeah, so do you have kind of, like, almost
canned responses to some ofthese things that people say?
Or, like, because what do you doif someone throws a curveball,
like, just react, and then it'syou're able to just make it
funny because it's weird, or,

yeah, I'll react.
Definitely. I'll react. I'llfind something. But a lot of the
times when I'm doing these, yes,some people say the same exact
thing, and I can, I'll just saywhat I said to the last person
and and it still works, okay?
But then someone will throw, Ilike when people throw me the
curveballs, because then that's,that's a new that's a new clip

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right there, or that's a newthing I can add to the arsenal,

yeah, and then, how do you deal with the hecklers?
Do you have your cannedresponses for that as well? You
know,

it's crazy. I never get heckled, really,
never, like, of course, it'shappened. Maybe I want to say
just a handful of times I don'tget heckled ever. I don't know
what it is. Someone once told mewhen I got off stage that I'm

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awkwardly comforting. That wasmy vibe. They're like, your vibe
is so awkwardly comforting. AndI can see that like in a lot of
my bits, and how I talk, andlike, the style of my comedy,
like, I don't think it opens itup for people to yell at things
at me, but

some people are just drunken assholes and they
it doesn't it has nothing to dowith you. Or like, if you're a
good comedian or bad, or like,they're just drunk and they're
just gonna

yell shit. That's true that luckily, like, that's
only happened to me a couple oftimes. Yeah, I've never really
had to deal with like, a crazy,crazy drunk person. Oh, there's
one one that and I got a badYelp review on that one.

Wait, how do you have a Yelp page? Or

no, the the club that I was performing at, they
got a bad Yelp review, andthey're like, Hey, what happened
last night? And I was like, I'lltell it after this. But, yeah, I
don't get heckled that often,and I think it's because the
energy I put out. It's like,like, I'm not scared, but I feel
like people watch me, andthey're like, We shouldn't

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bother this kid, you know, he'sI don't, I don't, I don't feel
like, I give out, like,aggressive energy. So no one
really comes at me. They're justlike, Oh, he's chilling up
there. Why bother him? Like,kind of thing they Yeah, I was
doing this club, and this is myfault too. I shouldn't have done
it, but I was in Texas, and Ihave this bit I love to do about

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how I like California, and it'sjust a bit about how California
is great. And the punch line islike, I think California is
like, people are like, Oh,California is so nice. Why is
there so much crime? Why isthere so much crime in
California? And I'm like, Yeah,because our criminals are just

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better, you know? And then, butI couldn't even get to that
part. I was trying to live. Iwas just doing the premise. And
then there's this lady in theaudience, and she was like,
California fucking sucks. Youknow, you're in Texas right now,
like, you can't be doing thiskind of. Yeah, but the bit in
the end, kind of shits onCalifornia, it kind of saying,

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like, because crime is not,criminals aren't good, you know
what? I mean, yeah, you knowthat's not a good thing to be
bragging about. So, but shewouldn't even let me get to
that. And then she was just,like, naming off, like your your
taxes are fucking joke like,just naming, just like, she was
so upset that I even was justlike, California was cool, yeah

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and yeah. Probably shouldn'thave done it in Texas, but it's
not like something to like. Shewanted to fight me. She like,
wanted to, like, fist fight me.
That

seems like a great place to have a debate about
this is during a comedy show,while the comedian is talking,
yeah, and it's

not like, I was shitting on Texas. I was like,
Oh, I love Texas. I think Texasis great. Which

part of Texas was it Houston? Ooh, yeah, that's
like, is that like, which is

my second, like, favorite comedy city outside,
outside of, like, San Francisco,where I'm from, but, yeah, I
love Houston so much, but

never been to Austin. I want to go back there.
Now that Rogan has a club there,like, I don't know if I can get
in. It seems like it's like,kind of like there's a waiting
list or something to get intothat club.

Yeah, I was just in Austin recently. I didn't
even try to, I don't even knowif I would get in there, just
because it's so packed all thetime. Yeah,

how would you go about trying to perform at
something like that? Like, youhave to, like, know somebody or,
yeah,

I think I'd have to ask a few favors to get in
there. And that would just to belike, maybe get in but to even
get on that stage, I don't evenknow who. I don't know that many
people over there.

But yeah, and then have a home club in

LA um, yeah, I would say I'm like, comedy magic
club in Hermosa Beach. I'mthere. That's a really fun club.
They're really, really cool.
That's

funny because so I'm from Seattle originally.
Okay, we followed this comedian,Faheem, and we went to go see
Faheem at hermosa. It was like,right, when he had moved to LA,
and we did a trip to LA and wewent, so we went to the Hermosa
Beach comedy thing, and he wasopening for Joe coy, who you
opened for? Oh, yeah, yeah. AndJoe coy did, like he did, like,
two hours or something. It wasinsane at

comedy magic, yeah, that's so funny because I,
that's how I got into comedymagic. I opened for Joe at
comedy magic at one time. Yeah,and it

was weird, like it was sold out. So for him, like,
oh, sorry, it sold out, but youcan stand so, you know, just
come in. You can I'll get you inthrough the back or whatever. So
we go in there, and thensomebody opens the door, this
really tall guy walks in. And Iwas like, Holy shit, that's
Kevin Nealon. Was like, you wentup on stage, and then he was
standing there watching, like,right next to us. We're

like, well, that's Kevin Nealon. Cool. He's
tall. I didn't even know that.
Oh yeah,

he's like, six, eight or something. Has he never
really, you never seen himperform there,

not when I'm there. I haven't seen him when
I'm there. I've never seen himin person. I don't think I

thought that was his home club, or used to be, I
don't know. Oh, maybe

just we weren't there on the same night. Didn't

Leno used to perform there too? He's there
all the time.

Oh, yeah, he's there all the time. Like, I want
to say, like every, every week,maybe like on a Monday or
Sunday, he's just, he's alwaysover there Judy,

talk to him or interact with them at all. Or

no, no No, no, no no, because he has his own
special night. You know what Imean? Oh, okay, like, I'll do
like the Friday or Saturday,which is like a bunch of comics
going up. I think it's like 10comics. It's a showcase night on
Fridays and Saturdays. It's justa bunch of locals or people who
are in town, they go up and do afew minutes, and then Leno, he

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just gets his own night. Okay,

so they don't, you guys don't have the headliners
going through Hermosa Beach thatwould stop there. Oh yeah,

yeah. They would be there. They would do they
they would either have their ownnight or they would just hop on
the same show as us, but he's sobig and he has, like, his own
thing, that sure he it wouldn'tbe beneficial financially for
him to just do 10 minutes on ona show with a bunch of younger

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guys. You know,

gotcha, gotcha so and you're still tight with Joe
Koi. Does he perform there aswell?

Yeah, he's, he's, he's so busy. He's like,
shooting a bunch of stuff. Idon't so he's, I don't see him
around, doing the clubs as much.
But yeah, he's still around.
We're still really cool. Went toone of his did it go? I went
over to Vegas and watched hisuh, T Mobile, like, arena show,

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which was like crazy. And we allhung out over there.

Damn. He's really Yeah, because I remember, I
think, like, I said, we went togo see Faheem, and I would think
I knew who Joe coy was, and Imet, and he's super nice and
everything. And then now it'slike, yeah, you see him doing
these arenas and stuff. And Iwas like, Man, I should have got
a. Extra you still

probably could.
If you see him around, he's,like, one of the nicest dudes.
He Yeah, he meets all his like,fans, or anyone who wants to
talk, he'll, he's so generous.

Yeah, he came up and he gave for him a big hug.
Yeah? He was like, He's so nice.
I think he let Faheem, uh, openform. I think on on a tour too.
I think it wasn't just at thatshow. I think they went on a few
different shows together. Nice,

yeah, that's possible. Yeah, Joe's, he's
really good to young, young,younger comics, like, he'll take
people out and stuff, and it'ssuch a fun time. Yeah, a little
bit in, like 2021

or 22 that helped you? That helped your, uh,
career, too, because he had youin the Netflix special, right?
And in his element,

yeah, yeah, no.
That helped. That helped a lot.
That was it helped in such,like, an interesting way,
because I did the Late Nightwith James Gordon in 2019 and
then I moved to LA, like, like,at the same time, like, right
before I taped, I moved to LA,and then I did court in and I

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was like, okay, cool. Like, I'min LA, I'm doing I'm in the
scene. I feel like I havefriends here. This feels good.
And then the pandemic happened,like, four months later, so, but
luckily, we shot the Netflixthing in January of 2020, so
when it came in, it came out inJune. So during the pandemic,

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that came out. So it looked likeI was still doing stuff. So I
still it like, even though weeverybody was inside, I still
kind of had momentum. So, yeah,when the pandemic ended, I was
able to still, like, keep themomentum going, because
something came out duringlockdown. Yeah,

that helps. That's not Yeah, because that a lot of
people's careers interview a lotof musicians too, and they were
really struggling, because theymake all their money on I mean,
you can't sell records as amusician anymore tour, so when
you can't tour, you're justlike, screwed. Yeah,

what do they do?
They not make money, like, a lotof money on streaming, or is

it? I mean, if you're like, yeah, if you're
like, you know, huge, if you'relike, Kendrick Lamar or
something. But even, I think,even those guys, I don't think
they make a lot of money on thestreaming. So you make money on
touring merchandise, and then,like, if you get your song
placed, like, in a commercial,or like, a movie or something
like that. But, yeah, I don'tthink the streaming, I feel like
one of the biggest songs, Ithink was, like The Rolling

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Stones, like satisfaction, like,it only made like, 50,000 in
streaming, and it had like, youknow, billions of views, or
something crazy number likethat, where you're just like,
wow, you'd think that that wouldbe enough that they could but
it's like, if they sell it, Ithink in the commercial, like, I
think it was, was it Microsoftor something, they had to pay
millions of dollars for them touse it, like, 15 seconds of it

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in a commercial.

So bam, that's crazy. Yeah, it is really

weird. Like, and because, how does that work with
comedians? I mean, you get paid,I'm assuming, some for the clips
that you like on Instagram andFacebook and YouTube. You get
some revenue for those views,right? Yeah, but

not like a lot.
It's not for at least me, no,not a lot, I know, like some
people can, but it for me, it'sjust like a tiny little little
check, because it's like, I'mnot consistently getting
millions of millions of views,you know, but I know a few
people who get those, and itcould be lucrative. But like you
said, for like, the smallerguys, it's like, it's not, what

about Siri? You mentioned that you're on Sirius
XM because I had Liz mealy onhere. I mean, she has a lot of
special. She does a new special,like, once every other year, and
she says, like, her Sirius XMclips that pays her rent, and
she lives in New York, so, yeah,yeah,

no, I that's the serious I get a cool little
check off that for sure. Yeah,that one's interesting. I don't
even know how how it works, butevery month I get like, a little
check, and that's nice, because,like that we made, me and my
friends made an album together,and then that we don't get,

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like, anything. It's like acouple cents or something from,
like, people buying the album.
But then, for some reason, it'slike, I don't know what's going
on over at serious, but that's alittle more money for sure,

yeah, like, they have more money to to give or
something. It's weird, yeah,

I don't, I have, I have no I have no idea. Yeah,

so it all adds up a little bit here, a little bit
there, but probably the bulk ofyour for comedians, it's still
touring, right?

It's, I mean, that's the thing. It's, like a
little bit of everything, bro,like, it's, that's why we all
got to do stuff, like, got todo, like everything, because
it's like, yeah, touring, andthey'll do these random tapings,
like the don't tells, or, like,Sting. I did one reason for CBS
commercials writing gigs. It's,it comes from everywhere. Sure.

Yeah, the writing, I know. I know for him, he got
job, I think it was at theUnited States of our one of
those sitcoms. Remember that?
Yeah, yeah. I think that's howhe paid for, like, his house and
stuff and, like, that was agreat gig for him, yeah? And
it's weird, because I feel likehe's too talented for that. But
hey, take what you can get.
Yeah.

I mean, because it's sometimes the things that
you think pay money, don't, andthen the things that don't
really,

really like, what?
Well, it's like, you think

the album sales would make a lot of money, but
then it doesn't. But then theseries makes you a lot of money.
Or

like, Yeah, that's true. Sometimes

a weekend at a club will pay will? It's like, a
Okay, amount of money. But thenyou'll just do some random
taping where you do five, a fiveminute set, and they give you,
like, 1000s and 1000s. It's justlike, random, well,

yeah, I'm like, opening for the bigger acts. I'm
assuming, like, if Joe coy islike, hey, I want you to open
for, you know, like, one of myarena shows like that probably
pay really well, right?

Yeah, probably, yeah. Depends on which one it
is, yeah, for sure, yeah.

And then yeah, just, I think, yeah, it all adds
up. And, and then also, I think,what isn't Do you ever do
corporate gigs like, I knowthose would probably be the
worst, super like, you wouldn'tenjoy it, but it would probably
pay the best.

Yeah, it pays so good. A lot of them pay like,
I'm doing one, I'm actuallydoing one in June. Oh, yeah,
yeah, they pay great. I mean,companies have a lot of money
and they just want entertainmentlike that. Actually, corporates,
like, kind of saved my life inthe pandemic. Yeah, I made so

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much money doing corporate zoomsduring the pandemic for like, a
whole, like year, and it waslike, stupid amount of money,
wow. Yeah, it was

interesting, but it's probably your least
favorite way to perform. Is myguess,

oh, 100% like during the pandemic, like when
everything shut down, it wasonly zoom shows. And then, like,
all these like companies, like,I don't know who did it. I don't
I'm not gonna name any, butlike, a few big companies would
hit me up and they just say, dolike 10 minutes and or, like,
with these other comics, or dolike 30 minutes, and then they

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just give you, like, a fatcheck.

Can you hear people laughing on the or, how does
that work? Like,

yeah, yeah. So in the Zoom would just be like
this, like, every like, but justa bunch of people, okay, and
then we do they, we just, youcould hear them. You know, it
wouldn't be that different from,like, a live on. It was good.
Depending on your internet, it'dbe, maybe it'd be laggy a little
bit and the last would come inlater. But it was, it was, it

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was all right. And I don't dotoo many live ones, like, they
don't really get asked do thosethat often? Yeah, but they're
not bad. They're not the worst.
They're just kind of like, Ihave to, I'm definitely censored
a little bit when I go intothese terms. They have, like,
they have all these assets,like, don't talk about this.

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Don't talk about this. Don'tmention he's gonna, the CEO is
gonna be here. Don't say shit tothat guy. Please

show with Pfizer.
Don't say anything bad aboutPfizer. This is great company.
And, yeah, oh, that'd beinteresting. Exactly, I

got fired from one, yeah, I got fired from one
in the pandemic. I it was justsome random company, and then
they wanted me to do a show fortheir US office at 11am in the
morning, which was like, Sure,whatever. And then again, at 1am

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in the morning, the like laterfor their Asian office. Oh, and
then I did the show, and Ithought it was great. I thought
it was, it was fun. And I thenthey sent me an email in the
middle of the day. Was like,Hey, that was cool. But can you,

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like, try not to say thesethings that you said in your set
earlier? Because I like make funof, like, everybody in like, a
fun way, right? Like, in mybits, like, Oh yeah, and
involves, like, race stuff, butit's like, funny, like, I try
to, I make it funny, you know,

yeah, that's what comedy is for. Yeah, when people
make fun of white people, Ithink it's hilarious.

Yeah, and I was making fun of white people, and
the email was like, Hey, youseem to make fun of white
people, but you didn't make funof that more races. And I was
like, So you weren't racistenough. I wasn't racist enough.
And then they were like, can youjust, like, edit that and, like,

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whatever. And then we me, myteam were like. Sure, no
problem. And then I get anemail, like, a few hours later,
like, hey, our company decidedto go in a different direction.
He doesn't have to be on thesecond show. Damn. I was like,
Where,

I guess, okay, you still get paid for the other
one. Or, do you get paid for thewhole thing? Or, yeah, I still
got paid. That's nice, yeah. Soyou said those are not the worst
gigs, though. So because I'veheard a lot of bombing stories
from people at corporate gigs,just because it's not set up for
comedy, I mean, not evennecessarily the zoom, but like,
I heard, like, I think for him,had one where he was it was like

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a Toyota thing or something. Itwas like bright lights and like,
people's backs are turned, andit's like, it's just a terrible
setting. Do you have, like,what's your biggest or craziest
bombing store? You gotta have agood one of those.

Craziest bomb was Florida, but it was a college.
It wasn't a corporate. It wasjust a good college. And, yeah,
corporates and whatever aren'tlike, the greatest but like, I
feel like, anytime I'm on stage,I'm like, I'm fine. This is
like, I can't complain, like I'mhaving even if it wasn't that

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fun, I'm very thankful foreverything I get. But this one
was Florida. It was a college,and colleges are tough in their
own way, because you think youcan relate to 18 year olds, but
then it's like, no, I don't, Idon't at all. Like, I was like,

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I went in there, like, I'm cool,I'm fine. And then I get there,
I'm like, oh, maybe I'm notactually that cool anymore.
Like, I'm actually old. Yeah, Iget sorry that I'm here. They
they, I'm like, talking tothese, doing my set in front of
these kids. And I'm this thistime I actually, I got so what I
do at college is I would like,have students come up, and then

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I'd make I'd ask them, like, Oh,do you have any problems? I'm a
little bit older than you. Icould probably give you some
life advice. And that was, like,my thing, and then this kid goes
up and just completely takes itto, like, a whole nother level
where he's like, Hey, I haveherpes. Like, what do I do? And
I was just like, oh God. Like,Oh no, I don't

think there's anything you can do no cure,
sorry buddy.

And there's like chaperones around. There's like
student like, there's like a notteachers, but like advisors
there, and they're just, like,watching this whole thing. And
I'm just like, I was still like,young in touring and doing
colleges. I think that was like,my second or third college I
ever did, and then I didn't knowwhat to do, and I just, like,
completely, just was like, Idon't know, I think you could

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see a doctor for that. Like, Iactually was just like, I was
just like, I panicked. I wasjust like, yeah, go see a doctor
or something. And it wasn'tfunny at all. And that, that
kid, just like, got the best ofme, and then I just went home
very sad after that, because,like,

you got the best, like, do you think he was
fucking with you, like he did onpurpose? Or,

No, I don't think he was doing it on I think,
yeah, he was definitely doing iton purpose. But, like, there was
a, it's a weird line with thatwhere, like, because he was
easily fucking with me, butthere's, I can't just yell at
kids. Yeah, you know what Imean. I can't be like, get
because I just technically, whenyou're doing colleges, you're

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supposed to be clean. This wasso it's like, I can't really
respond to this. When there'slike, people who are sending me
my paycheck are in the audiencewatching, yeah, I can't just be
like, Well, you had fun though,right? You had a good time
getting it. I can't really, it'slike, a weird because then it's

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like, kind of, it gets kind oflike, you know, it's, yeah, so I
have to, I have to just be like,Well, I'm, I hope, I hope the
creams you get are top tier, youknow, like, I can't say, I can't
even probably say that, youknow, like,

greens, oh, God,

oh, yikes. That was, that was the worst, just
because I just, that was justone of the times I've ever felt
helpless on stage, like I feltlike, oh, there's, I can't do
anything. Like, I just, I haveto let this one slide.

Yeah, you can just go, like, next

Exactly. That's exactly what I did.

No comment on that one. Yeah, it's rough. Geez,
yeah, I don't know how you guys,that's what I'm saying. Like,
when someone throws you acurveball, you're like, you
weren't expecting that. Like,how do you you gotta be? Like,
ready? Like,

yeah, in that instance, I had nothing. I had
nothing. I just had to take thatout and then learn from it.

Yeah. So when you, before you get on stage, like,
when you're preparing, do you,how do you write stuff? Like,
you. So is it a very you have asystem or process, you have a
bunch of post it notes all overand like, do you write every
day? Or is it just when you feellike it?

I would say I'm constantly writing, like,
throughout the day. I neverreally my process is kind of
weird. I have like, super crazylike, ADHD, so I'm not out here,
like, sitting at a coffee shop,like writing. I'm like, I'm
like, actively, like, I'll be atwalk, walking my dog at the
park, but I'm still, like, on myphone, like, tweaking stuff.

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I'll be, like, at the grocerystore. I'm tweaking it. Like,
I'm just constantly thinkingabout it throughout the day. And
I usually have, like, theformula of how I write jokes,
and I just, hey, you can kind ofsee it in what I have out. But

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yeah, I'm constantly just, like,tweaking in my head and, like,
if I need to really remember it,I'll write it down in my on my
phone. That's, that's prettymuch the process.

Yeah, has there been any bits that that bombed,
that that you thought werefunny, that you tried to tweak
more and more, that you held onto because you just thought it
was such a good

bit? Yeah, all the time that that happens so
often. Um, trying to think ofone here when you let me look in
the notes. Yeah. That happensto, like, literally every other
joke that I write, I'm like,this is going to be a fucking
banger, bro. And then it never

works so rough, like comedy is is, I don't think
people understand how hard is.
Like, go to an open mic andeither at least watch open mic
comedians, or try it yourselfand see. It's very hard, yeah,

yeah, it's hard, but I feel like any like most
people, can get used to it anddo it. I believe that anyone can
do stand up. Maybe they mightnot make it, but I feel like
everybody can do it and get somesuccess program,

yeah. Well, how long did it take you, because
you started around when you werein college, and then you got
James Corden in 2019 How manyyears did it take to get James
Corden from when you started?

Started in 20 end of 2012 and then when did that
2019 So seven years. Yeah, sevenyears, yeah, I did do a taping
before that that I don't thinkanybody saw it. Was like, maybe
on Amazon that the year before,I think so around. But it's

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like, I know you measuresuccess, like in, well, at least
I do in, like, like steps, youknow, like, I was doing a little
bit of touring, like colleges inlike, 2016, and 17 at that time,
I was like, I'm doing it, youknow, I thought that was, like a
milestone for

me. Yeah, getting paid to do your craft. That's,
yeah, beyond an open mic or,that's for sure. And

then I'm like, I'm still growing and stuff like
that. So, like, the next thing Iget, I'm like, Oh, that's it
took me that long to get, youknow? I mean, like, it's right,
yeah.

Do you have things in your head of what you want to
do next like, next steps, nextmilestones, yeah,

like, I definitely want to be like, on
TV, like acting and being insome cool TV show where I'm
like, some just being me, youknow, like, I don't know. Just
yeah, Movies TV, keep my make mygame show, pop in, like, stuff

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like that. Have

you tried out for any film acting at all?

Yeah, all the time. Yeah, all the time. I'm
I've done a few commercials, andI'm auditioning and stuff, but
haven't gotten, uh, anythingcrazy yet. But I feel it. Feel
it coming. I feel like, thisyear, some it's something's
cooking up. I can feel it.

Yeah, I could see that. I could I mean, you
definitely have a uniquenessabout you, that you'd be perfect
for certain roles, like thechill guy, like, like, I have,
like, a stoner vibe, but I don'teven know if you smoke pot.

I do not smoke weed anymore. No, I haven't in
years. I think I gave it up inlike, high school, like, or
college, like, after highschool. Yeah, I don't smoke weed
because, like, you hear my voicenow, like, it's like, I'm
already at like, a low, and thenwhen I smoke weed, it's just
like, I get even low. I justdon't exist, you know, I just so

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and I would notice this at like,like places I was like, I'm
having a good time, but I don'tthink anybody remembers that I'm
here. And

that is funny to think. Like, yeah, like, if you.
Not smoking pot. You definitelyshouldn't, because, yeah, pretty
chill. So, like, I wouldn't saythat more to chill out, like,
you're pretty chill. Like, Imean, you appear that way. I
don't know what's going oninside your

brain. I think I'm doing okay, but, yeah, I
just be too I just shut down.
I'd just be too quiet and like,I'll be just, like, at a party.
And then my ride leaves, and Iwas like, Oh, I forgot. I'm
like, Okay, well, can you turnaround and pick me up? Like,

that's not good, yeah. What about the opposite?
You ever try, like, like,cocaine or, like, taking a lot
of coffee and then do you getreally, I couldn't picture you
like, being really hyper.

Yeah. No, I drink coffee every day. My friends are
like, I go to music festivals alot, you know, or not a lot,
maybe twice a year. But I gohard at music festivals, like, I
went to Coachella this year.

Yeah? You had to joke about that, yeah. I was
gonna ask about that. Yeah. Itry

to make it a thing with my friends, we go
every year. It's like a whole,almost like reunion, where
people that don't see as much asI would, we all get together one
year, and we go to Coachella, doall the drugs, and then that,
then go home and go back to ournormal lives. But yeah, I like

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doing those, those drugs,cocaine. What is the cocaine
ever?

What's the Coachella drugs? I don't know.
I've never, I can't affordCoachella

Molly, Molly, for sure, love that, love that
mushrooms, love mushrooms, lovemushrooms. And then, yeah,
those, those are two, my two, ofmy favorites.

And you can, you mix those two together?

Yeah, you can. I never have, but my friends do
all the time.

Yeah, mushrooms one night and Molly the next, or
something, or, yeah,

yeah. So Thursday is like, the chill day at
Coachella, where you don't doanything. There's nothing going
on. It's just you setting upcamp. And that's when I like to
do the mushrooms, because it'slike, oh, we're just around. We
have quality time to spend withourselves. We don't have to be
running around and stuff. Sowe're all just like, doing the
chill drug, and then you doMolly. So whenever you get lost,

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it's still a good time. Oh, youcan't find your friends for
like, three hours. Hey, that'sfine. You're having a good time
anyway, by yourself. So, yeah,I'll do those, yeah, but I only
do that, like, twice a year, sothat's why I try to, I do a bit
of, I'm trying, working on a bitabout it right now where it's

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like, I'm trying to min, max,the fun in my life, like,
minimize danger, but maximize,like, fun. So like, I don't
drink alcohol, so I can, I canvape. I vape, you know, that
feels like an even exchange. Andthen I don't smoke weed, so I
can do Molly sometimes, youknow, that's, that's like, the

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premise that I'm working,working around that it's what
I'm trying to do. Yeah,

no, that's good.
That makes sense. Yeah, I'm it'solder I get because I'm a little
older than you. So it's like,the older I get, I feel like,
the less shit I want to do. Andit's all about like, you're
right. It's all like, risk andreward and, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Alcohol just becomes like, alike, a chore, almost. You're
just like, like, what am Idoing? Like, and then you just
feel so crappy for like, daysafter so Exactly,

exactly awful.
See, because if and then, that'swhy I don't do cocaine. If I
added, if I wanted to bringcocaine to my life, then I'd
have to, like, take out, like,711 taquitos. And I don't want
to do that, you know? I want tothat stays in my life. Okay,
taquitos, they're not good. Ilove them. It's a good stack

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when you're, like, around, whenyou're around one or like, you
stop, like you're driving andyou need to stop for gas, or any
gas station to quit. I'm okay

with, Oh, my God. I just discovered this gas station
with a Mexican restaurantinside. It's in the middle of
nowhere in Arizona and and Ilooked at his work, because,
like, you look on Google andit's like, you know, five stars
or whatever, and, like, see, andthen you try it, and you go,
Holy shit, that was reallyfucking good Mexican food. What
the heck you gotta tell me aboutthis? I love, yeah, it's in the
it's in wiki up, Arizona. Likewe were the road was closed, so

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we had to turn around. We'relike, we can't eat anywhere.
Everything's closed. Like, oh,this gas station is a Mexican
restaurant. Oh, that's probablyterrible. And it was like,

really good. Hell yeah. Those are always, like,
hidden gems. There's this placein I stopped, where I stopped,
Patterson, California, and it'sa gas station, but it also is an
Indian food restaurant. Ooh,

Indian foods, like, dangerous. It's like the fry
bread and stuff, yeah,

and then bro and the Indian food and gas station.
Oh, so dangerous. Yeah,incredible. It was really,
really good. I forgot it'scalled, but it's in Patterson.

And Patterson, where the hell's Patterson is
that in the middle of nowhere?
I.

Oh, it's close to the middle of nowhere. It's
like, right before the middle ofnowhere. It's like two or three
hours outside of the SanFrancisco. Okay, on the way to
LA, because you're originally

from San Francisco, you moved to LA, but then you go
back there for because that'swhere your family is and stuff.

I go, I go back pretty often, like, maybe, like
once a month I'll go and seefamily and do shows. It's just a
that's home, and I like beinghome. Yeah,

so you said the crime is a is the crime pretty
bad in San Francisco. I haven'tbeen there in a while, but last
time I went, my car got brokeninto. And I was like, damn.
Like, it was like, well, firstnight there, it was, like, a car
broken I was like,

geez, yep. That happens all that that that's
like, the main thing thathappens in the Bay Area. It's
called bipping. So it's like,you got bipped, or you're
bipping. So it means it's, it'slike, the various slang for your

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car window got smashed, or yousomeone took something out of
your car.

Yeah, don't they.
Wasn't there a thing, like, Isaw this on the news. I don't
know if it was. It was like,this is like, a trend, or if
there's just, like, one smallportion of people were doing
this is like they were leavingtheir cars unlocked and the
windows down. So it's like, Hey,if you want to go in, like, Take
whatever you want kind of thing,because they didn't want the
windows to get smashed. Yeah,

that's that's become like a real thing where
people would just have theirwindows rolled down, just so
people can see nothing's inthere. No need to, no need to go
in. And that grew up with that.
So, like, when I'm around andother states, and even though,
even in LA, I get it doesn'thappen in LA as much as it does

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the Bay Area, it feels like it'sa very Bay Area specific thing.
But my friends will leave stuffin their back seats. And I'm
always like, Hey, you just gonnaleave that there. And then
they're like, yeah, why? But I'mjust so like, wired to from
living in the Bay that peoplethink I'm like, weird, and I'm

(52:12):
like, every time I leave my caranywhere, even if I'm like, in a
nice part of, like Connecticut.
I'm like, nah. We're puttingeverything in the trunk. We're
hiding everything. It's justthat's, it's so ingrained in me
and people that are like, Hey,chill out. I'm like, nah. So you

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always stay ready, bro,

yeah, no, especially if it's something you
want, like that you can'treplace. If some sort of, like,
personal value to that. Youknow, you won't be able to just
buy another one on Amazon, and,

like so many of my friends, their laptops get
stolen cameras. It's like,

yeah, like, what if you had your jokes written on
that? Like, you can't get yourjokes back? Then

that's that's true, but also that's kind of
funny. I would hope they wouldread it and be like, What the
fuck was this guy in this guyinto?

Because if people looked at the rough drafts, it's
probably a lot different thanthe finished product, yeah,

hopefully when they look at my laptop, they're
like, oh shit. We like this guy.
This is funny. And then theyjust come to a show computer

back say Sorry, bro. Didn't mean to take this.

We didn't know this was your laptop. Sorry,

that's crazy. Yeah, I hope they can clean stuff. I
love the bear. I think it's sobeautiful. I just, I'm like, I'm
a little nervous to go, Yeah, Ialways want to, because I'm a
Seahawks fan. I want to go whenthey play the 40 Niners. I want
to, always want to. I haven'tbeen to that new stadium

yet. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's sick. It's far from
San Francisco, but it's sick.

So it was the old one. I feel like we took this
long drive down this reallycrazy road. And have you ever
been to that old stadium,

candlestick, yeah, but that was still like,
San Francisco adjacent. Like,okay, Santa Clara is like a
different city, like, like, it'sfar, it's like a few cities
away, like, an hour or Yeah,with traffic even more, like
Santa Clara is the South BayArea, which is, like, Santa
Clara is closer to San Jose thanit is San Francisco. Yeah,

yeah. But the stadium is, is nice, and it's
like, safer,

yeah, it's cool, because Santa Clara was like, a
really bougie part of the BayArea. Oh,

okay, is that where all the, like, the tech
billionaires live and stuff.

That's where all the tech people live now. But as
far as like, San Francisco ispretty like, if you just stick
to like, the the nice parts,you're fine. It's just a few
like downtown or whatever. Andthen outside of the Bay Area,
there's a lot of cool, SafeCities, like, it's just really
like San Francisco. It's like,kind of crazy. And then I guess

(54:51):
Oakland and Richmond,

yeah, I love the um, what is the city? Oh, god,
it's like near Oakland.
Actually, that was the last timeI was in San Francisco. I. Um, I
guess it was more recent, but,um, what is that city called,
where my girlfriend's cousinlived, and it was really cool.
And then we went down to SanFrancisco and went to, like,
the, is it Chinatown? Is thatwhat's called that area that's
like, yeah, it was, it was all,I love the history there. Like,

(55:14):
it's just such, it's such a neatcity,

yeah, China Chinatown is, like, actually
really fun place to party. Yeah,there's like, a lot of like,
like, I love the bars there,because all the bars look like
there's an illegal undergroundfighting tournament under it.
Yes, yeah. Like, looks cool. Ilove going to China.

Yeah, I wonder if there was speakeasies at some
point, because, I mean, I feellike that's probably been around
almost as long as prohibition.
Maybe not. I don't know. Maybe Idon't know it's terrible in
history and dates. I probablynow someone's going to comment
and say, you fucking idiot. Whatare you talking but that
definitely

is because I'll do shows in San Francisco in
basements, where I'm like, Oh, Ididn't even know this was down
here, and it's just, like, afull on, like, it looks like a
used to be a bar, like, sick,yeah,

that. I love that kind of stuff. That's awesome.
Like, yeah, we have, like, inArizona, we have tombstone, it's
like an old historic, old westtown, and they have the, was it
called the birdcage saloon. Andit's like, basically, they
locked it up at one point, like,in the like, 1920s or whatever,
and then they just left it, andthen they reopened it, like, I
don't know, 20 years ago orsomething, and it was just left

(56:30):
as is. So it's, like, reallywell preserved. It was a total,
like, a whorehouse and stuff is,like, so fascinating, though.
The building looks amazing. Hell

yeah. Let's bring it back. Mentioned, I feel

like, well, it is legal in what Nevada, and, like,
certain parts on the the BunnyRanch, or whatever is the one,
oh, yeah, or house, and in thewhole it's so weird that that
would be so weird to go to alegal whorehouse.

I, you know what?
I'm about it. I'm gonna go, whynot just to experience it? I've
never been to it. That's sofunny, the Bunny Ranch, like,
I've never been or whatever. ButI remember that was like on HBO.
They had like a show

about it. I heard about it on Sturm I used to
listen to Howard Stern. They'dalways talk. I remember

when I was a kid, we had, like, HBO. And then when
my parents would fall asleep,you know, it'd be, do you feel
sex? Yeah. But then, like, theBunny Ranch was one of those
shows. It was just like areality TV show on that. And I
would see that, and I'm like,

yeah, so fascinating to, I don't know
it's kind of interesting to, I'msure a lot of that stuff goes on
in every city. You just don'tknow about it. It's illegal,
it's underground. It's in those,probably, those basements you're
talking

about LA, I see it like, I see it on the
streets. It's like, one streetin LA where there's just, like,
a bunch of, like, prostitutesand stuff. Well, yeah,

there's those ones, but I'm saying, like, there's
probably, like, the more like,high class ones. Oh, it's like,
kind of underground, right?
Like, what was the one ladythat, I feel like, Charlie Sheen
went to see her? Was, like,there was, she had the little
black book, I forget her name,but she was, like, super famous,
like, she wrote a book about itand everything. And, like, she
had this huge business. It was,like, millions of dollars a
year, and high class hookers,yeah, sorry, sex workers, or

(58:18):
whatever the PC term is. I don'twant to offend people that have
sex for money. I don't

content creators, you

know, fans. It's totally Yeah, things have
changed since when I was a kid,it was like, girls would get
called, like, horrors and stuff.
And now it's like, you're smart,you're making millions of
dollars. And yeah, for youentrepreneur,

honestly, like, I would rather do only fans than
do food reviews in my car.

What is that thing, like a mukbang or whatever. Have
you seen those things where theguys, they just, like, put all
this food and smash it in theirfaces, and they get, like, this
one guy, you see him when hestarted his channel, and he
looked kind of like me, like hewas pretty normal, or whatever,
and now he's like, 300 pounds,and it's like, it's really sad,
actually, like, just for theclicks they're doing it, it's
crazy. I know

it's like I was, yeah, it's crazy what people are
doing now and, like, what moves,

like, numbers, well, yeah, you almost need to
do something crazy. Like, how doyou stand out as me? I'm just a
podcaster. I don't have, like,comedy bits. I don't I'm not on
a TV show. So how do I I'm justlike every other fucking guy
who's got a podcast with there's4 million of us,

right? Well, I was talking, I was literally
talking about this with myfriend this morning, and we were
just talking about how, like, wewere watching a clip of this
guy. He's just playing videogames, playing video games. And
he was, like, being bad at thegame. Mm. But then when you

(01:00:01):
Yeah, but he's a huge, he's,like, a huge streamer, and he
and he sucks, and I could dothat, no, but he's that, here's
the thing, he's good. Like,he's, he's, he used to, he's a
former professional gamer,right? But what he did was he
would just purposely be, like,normal people couldn't see this,
but in entertainment, like, Inoticed, like, I can tell, like

(01:00:23):
he's purposely being bad. Andthen the clip is he, he's
getting mad that he's up, thathe's bad. Clearly he's not. He's
used to be a professional gamer.
You really think he's like,being he's

Chuck Shute (01:00:40):
like, I can't believe this guy has a big like,
like, playing a game. And like,Oh no, I screwed up the game.
Oh, wow.

Andrew Orolfo (01:00:49):
This is good.
This is good stuff. But what itdoes is, like, people start
commenting, oh, you're washed.
You don't got it anymore. Yousuck. You're bad. And then all
that's doing is, is driving somuch traffic to your page, so so
people like, oh, you used to bea professional gamer. You

(01:01:11):
fucking suck now. And he's like,but he's at home, like, thank
God. I'm getting all thesecomments like, yes, you don't
know how many people, but like,and I'm clearly watching the
clip, and I'm like, oh, like, hecould have easily hit those
shots easily. It wasn't like, aa difficult shot to make in the

(01:01:31):
game, but he's just doing it torage. And then people see that,
they're like, you're you suck,you're so bad. And it just
sucks. Now, where a lot of usnow, like, a lot of even stand
up clips, like, are just doingrage bait to get engagement. And
like, I have friends who willrage bait on purpose. Like, I'll

(01:01:54):
post a clip, and then my friendswill good friends of mine, like,
best friends of mine will justcomment, Hey, bro, this isn't
cool. And like, then anotherperson will like, another one
best friend will comment, bro,this is not a good way of
thinking. And and then whathappens is, my fans, or fans of

(01:02:19):
people, of things, of the clipwill comment their thing being
like, Dude, it's a fucking joke.
My friends, my friends know it'sa joke. This

is brilliant. This is like, I'm getting, like,
behind the curtain. This isgreat stuff.

Yeah, my friends know it's a joke. And then
they'll comment, no, this isagainst God. Like, you know what
I mean. And then, and then whathappens? You're arguing how many
you went from one comment to 59and then that's just boosting,
boosting, boosting, and it's,it's just so crazy that, like

(01:02:54):
now, and I don't hate on it, Ithink it's like an interesting
strat, but it's like, we'reinstead, we're all looking kind
of for hate. Now, yeah, no,that's because it drives more
algorithm,

yeah, it reinforces people arguing with each other,
and I hate trolls, and I hatearguing, but if I get other
people to do it for me, yeah,and I can just sit back and just
watch it, and just watch

the fold. So now, when you post clips of your pod,
make sure you have your friendscomment racial things, yeah,
rage bait stuff. Be like, Hey,this is the you can't say this
because some of my

family members comment on my stuff and they're
always angry. Like, maybethey're trying to help me out.
Maybe that was the wholeintention.

That works, bro.

I'll message them and thank them and say, Hey,
thanks for that. Yeah. Wink,wink, like, Yeah, you didn't
really mean that stupid,ridiculous comment that you
posted, did you? You were justtrying to help me out. Okay,
thanks. I got it now. Yeah,yeah, that's awesome. All right.
Well, what else can we anythingelse you have to promote. You
may be working on a new special.
Just haven't got it already yet.

(01:04:07):
Yeah,

no, haven't gotten ready yet. I'm still,
still talking to a couple ofpeople that I'm trying to work
with. But just just follow me onon Instagram, check out my my
pod, my game show. What

is the what is the game show called, I don't know
if I could find it. It's called

the meter. Okay, it's on everywhere you can get
pods, and it's on YouTube. Wetook a break to reinvent the
thing, but we just record,started recording again, and
we're gonna start dropping in afew

weeks. So is this the thing where, like, your top
episode was one where youmentioned feet or something
like,

yeah, and it's so funny that that has a the most
views, and we don't even talkabout feet in it at all, like we
probably mentioned it for liketwo minutes in. In the podcast.
So people click it and on theanalytics, the the people watch
the first, like three minutes,and then they hop off because

(01:05:11):
they there's no feet. They werenot talking about feet until
like, halfway through theepisodes. Okay, so there's
another thing

I'm learning from you, is that feet, feet hookers
and, rage bait is what I need tofocus on. Well, I

don't know if you have to focus on hookers, but

you seem interested in that. I don't know. I mean,
but

not for my algorithm, just for me
personally, just an experience,you know, that goes into Molly
like, you know, it's like youtake your family pleasure, yeah,
okay, gotcha, yeah, just followthat, that we don't talk about
feet, but that's how, you know,like, people are creepy for

(01:05:54):
feet, so

weird, but okay, yeah, that's what I was like. I
think I you know, somebody couldhave an only fans and just show
their feet and not even have toshow their tits or whatever. And
they might, they could still geta huge following. Yeah, nice
feet. Yeah. Maybe if I paintedmy feet with like, red nail
polish, I could pretend to be agirl's feet, and how would they
know I have pretty nice feet.
Hey,

brother, if it gets you 1000s and 1000s of
dollars, I support it. All

right? I think about it. I got some ideas now
we this is good brainstorming.
Thank you so much for doingthis. And yeah, the link to what
like you have. Should I put thewebsite in the show notes, or

just put my my instagram at Andrew underscore
role for and I post most of mylike dates and everything that
you would ever want from me willbe in there, perfect.

Well, yeah, if you ever come to Phoenix, let me
know. All right, thanks. See youlater. Thanks,

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