Dr. Peter McCullough (cardiologist, author)

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Chuck Shute (00:00):
Hey welcome to the show. Thank you so much for

(00:15):
doing this. I really appreciateit. I've been trying to have you
on for a while a lot of stuffhas changed in the last couple
of years, few months last day orso, what is your take on this
latest story now they're sayingthe Avian Bird flu, I've given
the opinion on this, thisthey're saying that's gonna be
100 times worse than COVID-19.

Dr. Peter McCullough (00:34):
I think that's an overstatement there.
There is some periodic kind offear mongering around the bird
flu or Avian Bird flu. And inTexas, it was mentioned that
someone tested positive, didn'tsay sick, tested positive. So
anytime you hear the word testedpositive, then you know, I think

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you should probably put inquotation, you know, parentheses
not sick. So is typically a zoneanalysis. That is, you know,
birds to farm animals rarelycould infect a human, it should
be self limiting and not aproblem. So I expect you'll see
a die down in bird flu crazehere in the next few weeks.

Okay, yeah, it seems like there's always
something even after COVID-19There was the monkey pox thing.
That was a big craze for alittle while, and then that died
down. And so, yeah, I'm alwaystrying to pay attention to the
news. So you're thinking that'sa little bit overhyped?

Yeah, that'll be overhyped. You know,
I'll tell you something elsehyped is an old disease and
that's measles. So there was astory that Florida Surgeon
General Joe Oladapo has saidlisten, you know, measles is not
a big deal if the parents wantto skip vaccines. We haven't had
a measles deaths in the UnitedStates and in years and years

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and years, and if there istypically a secondary
staphylococcal infection in thelungs, you know, again, which
would be appropriate treatedwith antibiotics. And I was last
night I was at a big publicseminar in Southfield, Michigan,
and Dr. David Bronstein whospoke ahead of me, he showed a
clip from The Brady Bunch, wherethe Brady Bunch all got measles,

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and they were so happy they'dgot a few days off of school and
they're all fine and and justagain, showing in the early 70s.
You know what a mild diseasemeasles was. So once we had
modern hygiene and the abilityto handle a rare complication,
getting measles is not a bigdeal at all. We get the natural

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infection, we have lifelongimmunity, we take the vaccine,
we don't have immunity,unfortunately, so much most of
the outbreaks that occur andpeople getting measles is those
fully vaccinated. Really, Ipersonally was given the measles
vaccine and then later on hadtiters checked and they were
negligible. I had to getrevaccinated when I was entering

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the medical field. So themeasles vaccine doesn't work.
And it's, again been the diseasehas been overhyped the vaccine
is, is is minimally effective.

That's interesting.
I haven't gone down that rabbithole yet. I'll have to look into
that one. But so the otherthing, the news story that came
out, I think that's why Ireached out to you again,
because the COVID vaccine theysaid there was a big article
said there's a slight increasein heart, brain and blood
disorders. Do you feel a littlebit vindicated now that some of
the stuff that you've beensaying for years is finally
being revealed?

I wouldn't use the adjective slight. I
mean, what we're seeing in termsof cardiovascular, neurologic
thrombotic, and immunologiccomplications is an avalanche.
It's not slight. I mean, there'sa massive number of people
suffering these events, we nowhave all cause mortality rising
everywhere in the world, amongthose who took the vaccine, so I

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wouldn't use the word slide.
Yeah, we I was right from thevery beginning to question the
safety of the vaccines. I wasthe only public figure who
published in August of 2020, Ipublished an op ed called the
Great gamble of the COVID-19vaccine program. You're talking
to him? There wasn't a singlechief of medicine wasn't a
single public health official,no media person. No one
questioned the vaccines exceptfor me. Yeah.

And now so that our article comes out and again,
they say, I think maybe this isjust the Is this the tip of the
iceberg when they say slight? Isit going to be worse as time
goes on is more going to berevealed and be admitted to?
Right

slight means? tip of the iceberg?
They're trying to understate agigantic problem. When we start
to see sporadic safety events,remember, none of these studies
have complete reporting. Sothere are a ton of people
suffering that haven't comeforward yet to their doctors or
to hospitals. And you're rightis the tip of the iceberg.

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Again, The four major areascardiovascular, neurologic,
immunologic thrombotic, andthere's a fifth emerging area of
cancer. We're particularlyworried about cancer. Now. I
testified the US House ofRepresentatives, January
12 2024. I told the committee,listen, we've got five to 15
years of worry now, becausethese are genetic transfer
technology platforms talkingPfizer, Maderna, Janssen and

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AstraZeneca. These are geneticshots. They last in the body a
very long time. Maybe forever.
So we now have a tremendous,long standing set of health
concerns in those who took thevaccines. Yeah.

And that scares me and I seen this I'm seeing this
buzzword, Turbo cancers. What isa turbo cancer? Is there any
truth to this? Is there anyevidence? Is there any
statistical significance to thecancer rates for people with
COVID vaccine versusunvaccinated? I mean, is there
anybody tracking this?

The, in the United States, the US, CDC
should immediately merge thevaccine administration data with
the cancer registry data andthey refuse to do it, they
refuse to do it. Wikipedia has aentry out there on turbo cancer
saying that the vaccines don'tcause terrible cancer. And why

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would they say that? Why wouldthey even bother with turbo
cancer? Well, it turns out nowmultiple peer reviewed
manuscripts describing cancerand people who took the
vaccines, there's plausiblemechanisms of action on why the
vaccines would cause cancerbecause they are genetic
transfer technology platforms.
And they're long lasting, theymay be dose dependent, maybe one

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shot not much of a risk, butthree, four or five, six people
in the government narrativewould now beyond their ninth
shot. That's plenty of shotsenough over time to cause
cancer, because the messengerRNA impairs DNA repair. Pfizer
Maderna have process relatedimpurities in them DNA fragments

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of a cancer promoting genecalled SP 40. And then finally,
the spike protein is producingthe vaccine impairs tumor
suppressor systems. This is allsummarized in a paper by Angus
and Bustos. As we sit heretoday, the COVID-19 vaccines
likely cause cancer, and anybodywho's taken a vaccine should be
vigilant for the emergence of amalignancy.

Yeah. So what goes on with the COVID vaccine and
COVID? Is they both? It's aspike protein, right? And you're
saying that, because I thinkinitially you didn't you say
that people couldn't get COVIDtwice. So if they had symptoms
was that still from the initialtime they were infected, and it
was like reemerging?

From the start of the pandemic through
the beginning of December 2021.
By and large, people didn't getget COVID twice. But when the
virus mutated into the Omicronvariant, then people did get it
twice, and the vaccinatedobviously got it multiple times.
So it really had to do with theviral mutation. Now COVID itself
clearly causes long COVIDsyndrome. It causes blood clots

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in some of the neurologicproblems. COVID itself does not
cause serious heart damage, ormyocarditis. COVID itself does
not cause cancer has not beenimplicated in cancer. Now,
sadly, the vaccines don't work.
So most people took the vaccinesgot COVID Anyway, so now they

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have both exposures, but it'slargely the vaccine that's
causing trouble for the for thevaccinated.

So then what's going on with the long COVID?
Because there's I saw an articletoo, that said, long COVID is a
myth. It's not real. But I mean,I've got all these people on a
Facebook group that aresuffering. And I mean, they're
looking for answers.

You're right. Remember, you asked
about, you know, a subtle riseor what have you just just use
your common sense are peoplearound you telling you that
there's lots of problems? Yes,long COVID is a real problem.
About 50% of hospitalizedpatients get it overall, it's
about 15% of the COVIDpopulation gets it a paper by
the Exner and colleagues show,but 70% along COVID is driven by

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taking the vaccines before afterCOVID So the vaccines make long
COVID markedly worse, people getheadaches, can't taste or smell,
numbness, tingling, variousforms of tremors, chest pain,
effort and tolerance, bloodpressure going up or down. It's
really a miserable syndrome.
It's most effectively handledwith a new protocol we've

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published and copyrighted thiscalled McCullough protocol, bass
spike protein detoxification.
Yeah,

I think that I think I have all the ingredients
here that you've, you've talkedabout the it's the natto Kona,
well, I didn't say that NanaKona knees. Yeah, now. The
Brahma Lin and the Tumericcurcumin. It's like a liquid one
that liposomal I think you callit

perfect.
So there you go. So one can getthis combination, Amazon or any
online retailer natural healthstores is very affordable. We
have two peer reviewedpublications on this proposal
natto kinase at least 2000 unitstwice a day that dose can go up
bromo and 500 milligrams a dayagain that can go up. And then
curcumin 500 milligrams twice aday. But again, don't be afraid

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to increase doses we need atleast three to 12 months of
this. In order to resolve longCOVID syndrome many times we add
additional drugs or supplementsto it but this is McMullen
protocol based by proteindetoxification. It's the only
such protocol that's met peerreview. And it is now
essentially becoming theworldwide platform. So recall

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for the treatment of COVID-19McCullough protocol, acute
treatment protocol became aworldwide standard and now the
same is occurring for thevaccine injured and those who
long COVID Yeah,

and how did you come up with that regimen.

My practice partner myself, Brian
Proctor, we tried all differentmethods in the clinic, nothing
was working various drugs. Untilwe settled on this combination,
we had to have enough patienceobserve for long enough, then we
started to see them resolvetheir syndromes and it became
clear, it became abundantlyclear we tried it and family
members. And we said listen,natto kinase and Bronwyn,

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dissolve the spike protein, thespike protein is in large
quantities in the human bodyafter the vaccine, smaller
quantities after the infection,we have to help the body get rid
of it. That's what they do.
Curcumin blocks the inflammationfrom the spike protein, so
they're a perfect combinationtrio.

And these are relatively safe over the counter
supplements.

They're relatively safe now. Brahman and
natto kinase are forms of mildblood thinners. So we have to
watch for any signs of bleeding.
If there's a serious soy allergytrace amounts of soybean oil
could trigger an allergy. Butagain, we can manage that
easily. But you're right peoplehave used these for decades.
Japanese use natto kinase is acardiovascular heart supplement

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for decades. So you know, evenif you didn't have long COVID
People use these supplements forthe health benefits. So these

would help both long COVID And people who had a
vaccine injury COVID injuries.
That's correct.

And that the main point here is people
need to be patient, it takes along time. Ringing in the ears
is a real common one. That onewon't start to change until
about a month four or so.
Numbness and tingling again,probably six to nine months
heart pounding palpitations, itjust takes a long time. But we
start to see a fall off in theantibodies against the spike

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protein. People get better andwhen they finally resolve it,
they're so happy because so manypeople have been miserable now
for a couple years.

Yeah, I mean, I'm just getting all these people
asked about this ask about this.
I mean, I've heard thingseverything from like a weakened
speaking voice to hurt joints. Imean, some of the things you
mentioned, rashes exerciseintolerance of but one thing
that I had is that and this wasoriginally from COVID Was I lost
my sense of smell, it came backbut it didn't come back 100% So
with this regimen you think thatwould help bring it back to 100%

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or closer die.

So I commonly recommend the
McCullough protocol base byprotein detoxification for
people whose sense of smellhasn't come back all the way.
And then what you want to use isyou want to use Xylitol break
based nasal spray, at leasttwice a day. The one I liked the
best is called Clear x l e AR,use the clear recovery spay to

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puffs twice a day and over thenext few weeks or months. It'll
come back.

Okay, I'll try that. What about what is silent?
Hope hypoxaemia. Have you heardof this?

Well, yeah, it may be referring to
just you know, low oxygenlevels. hypoxemia can occur to
do due to what's called microaggregation of red blood cells.
And that's because the spikeprotein hooks up red blood
cells, they don't exchangeoxygen properly in the lungs.
And again, that's where thenatto kinase and Bronwyn will

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pay play a key role and it'sgonna take a while, but patients
do improve.

And then somebody wanted to had a question about
the reactivation of like EpsteinBarr Virus and Lyme disease. Is
there a connection there?

For sure.
It's been well describedreactivation of Epstein Barr
which 90% of us have had thatcytomegalovirus as well as Lyme
disease can reactivate usbecause COVID is a bad illness.
The vaccines are very toxicexposure. So many times we have
to additionally treat thosereactivation syndromes.

Yeah, and then what about this? I don't know how I'm
gonna mispronounce this as well.
Polly myalgia rheumatica. Isthere a link with that encode
vaccines? Are you familiar withthat? Polly

Malzieu ematic A is a relatively rare
Internal Medicine disorder ofsevere muscle stiffness and
pain, it can be associated withwhat's called temporal
Arteritis. And in monocularblindness, it's it would not be
surprising to me if long COVIDin the inflammation can trigger
it, but it takes a particularresponse is one of the few

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syndromes where we need to givevery prolonged corticosteroids
like talk about three months ofprednisone, but it can be
resolved.

So some of these issues need more than just your
protocol. They may need somesome drugs and prescription
drugs, right.

So most of the autoimmune syndromes will
need additional drugs. For sure.
People with blood clots provenby ultrasound or CT need
additional blood thinners,people with high blood pressure,
heart rate abnormalities willneed additional drugs. So they
need to see a qualified doctorwho's treating, you know, long
COVID and COVID injury patientspreferably an unvaccinated

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doctor, so the doctor can beobjective about it. Most doctors
that have taken the vaccines,they just can't think straight
about this problem becausethey're terrified themselves of
what's in their body. Right.

There's a like you said in your book, I think he
talked about that. So they'rekind of like test subjects
themselves, so they can't beimpartial.

Right? You can imagine what you know what
if you had a doctor with a braincancer? Like he's not going to
be objective about the nextpatient with brain cancer? They
just can't. So you really wantto ask the doctor if they're
unvaccinated or not. And canthey give an unbiased
assessment? Yeah,

now you talk about the blood clots. Can you explain
this to me because I just don'tunderstand this. I'm seeing all
these videos of embalmers andthey're pulling out these long
white strands. I mean, it lookslike something from the movie
Alien or something. And somepeople are saying, Oh, no,
that's a conspiracy. That'stotally normal. And then but the
embalmers are saying we've neverseen this before, until COVID or

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COVID vaccines hit. So what is adoctor? Is that something that's
normal to have these long whitestrands being pulled out of
people?

Well, there has been a survey of
embalmers done by ThomasHaviland, it is clearly shown
that this is a secular change.
Now, what has not been done isto stratify patients, the
deceased by whether or not theytook the vaccine. And so we
simply don't know we just knowthat people are more prone to
blood clotting. Now, after youknow, after they die, normally,

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the blood liquefies is drainsout of the body. Normally, I
think it's probably diffusespike protein exposure. But
until we see better data onstratifying, according to
vaccinated versus not, it's hardto draw conclusions,

then you so you can can you test for the spike
protein? Is there a blood testfor that to see if it's in your
body? If you still have it?

We test indirectly with what's called
the extended range antibody testright now, when we use in our
office by LabCorp. Soon we'llhave the direct spike protein
measurement, several companieshaven't now. But yeah, everybody
should be seeking an answer ofdo they have the spike protein
in their body? And how much?
Yeah,

but with this protocol, you feel like it could
be eliminated. Right?

Where we are following this over time, we
do see antibody levels comedown, I bet Well, we'll find
antigen levels coming down aswell. The body has to be
detoxified of this. It's veryimportant. It's like the body
can't get rid of Spike proteinon its own very well at all. And
as proposed intermittentfasting, you know, sweating
going in saunas can play a role,hyperbaric oxygen, but I think

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we need enzymatic assistance inclearing spike protein, and
that's what natto kinase andBronwyn do. So

there is some evidence of, of intermittent
intermittent fasting and beingable to reduce it costs while

there's at least this suggestion, and
that's because intermittentfasting helps autophagy that is
the program cell death wherecells who are going to normally
turn over and if they had spikedprotein, if that if that cell
undergoes senescence, it's got apretty good chance of clearing
it out.

Is that a pretty common thing just in general for
health, the intermittent fastingit can it can help with a lot of
issues like that, because I hada doctor on here. I don't know
if you're familiar with Dr.
Thomas Seyfried, but I mean, hetalks about intermittent fasting
and a ketogenic diet to helpkill cancer cells.

Well, those are two separate things,
but intermittent fasting hasbeen part of major religions
throughout the history of theworld. It's pretty interesting.
And there are positive data forintermittent fasting, ketogenic
diets, something very differentwhere one would eat essentially
no carbohydrates at all and eathigh amounts of protein and fat

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to try to induce a metabolicstate where the body actually
has circulating ketones in thein the human body, and those are
in a sense form of acids and Andthe breath changes and and
things change dramatically.
There are case reports whereit's been tried in cancer.
People have figured Listen, whynot? And recently on my show, I

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had Dr. Annette Bosworth, she'sknown as Dr. Abbas. Have you
ever want to have a great guest,you know, give you the story of
the vignette of her mother on aketogenic diet and what the
benefits are, you know, you maywant to consider to bring bring
her on. I think I'm more of adietary moderate, where I try to
avoid starches I try to avoidthe three S's, sugars, starches

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and saturated fat, but I don'ttry to put myself in Decatur
Genesis and what the doctor bosstold me is that someone's on a
ketogenic diet and they use aurinary dipstick test to prove
that they have keto anemia, andkita Nuria. She told me that
eating one apple will takesomebody out of ketogenesis one

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apple and I gotta tell you, Ipersonally have never found
somebody who became obese eatingan apple. I tend to doubt that
eating an apple is harmful forcancer patients. So moderation
is probably somewhere there. Butthere's more and more data that
the three S's are the problemsugars, starches and saturated

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fat. And cancer patients areeating lots of sugary and
starchy foods. diabetics aredoing this those with COVID are
doing this they're just gettingworse and worse and worse. Yeah,

last week, a doctor was saying because I asked him
well, what is what is the dietthat they recommend to cancer
patients and he's like, eat asmuch as you can and sugar and
beat you know, they don't wantpeople to lose weight. And he
said that's feeding the cancercells and it's terrible. Well,

it's true.
I'm not an expert in cancer, butI can tell you in COVID there is
paper after paper after papershowing eating sugary and
starchy foods makes theinfection worse. The infection
the virus inflammation, probablycancer cells, they feed on sugar
as the last thing you want to doif you have cancer.

Yeah, I think you mentioned that about COVID
before too. Yeah, I think I readthat. So that's, that is I mean,
you think some of this stuff iscommon sense but eating junk
food I mean, I remember theyused to have the food pyramid
right and they would talk tellus to eat a bunch of bread and
and starch. But I don't thinkthat's probably good anymore.

No, I mean, the whole dietary Clinical
Nutrition world has a prettydark history they said the base
that we should be eating lots ofwhite bread and flour, morning
noon and night that wascompletely wrong. I mean, that
was a recipe for getting fat andin fact, Americans got fat and
we've learned over time thatmean what I've learned in this

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is the body needs high qualitysources of protein. And and the
quality of the protein is reallydefined on the package in which
the the poly peptides arecontained. So highest quality
sources of protein are fish,beans, nuts, egg whites, nonfat
dairy, occasional lean meats andchicken occasional not chicken

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every day. And then fresh fruitsand vegetables unlimited with
the body does not need oursugars, starches, that means
anything made out of flour, riceand potatoes, and the body
doesn't need saturated fat. Thatmeans you know, lots of gooey
cheeses, regular ice cream,greasy meats that the human body

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doesn't need that what

are your thoughts on like beet juice, or celery
juice? Or is there any sort oflike fruits and vegetable kind
of juice or anything that yourecommend that is good for your
heart? Or

just vegetable juice is simply a way
of eating more vegetables and tothat extent, it's pretty good
beet juice is attractive becausebeet juice contains vaso
dilatory very favorablesubstances for the heart so that
looks pretty good. We want toavoid fruit juices so fruit
juices simply are concentratingthe sugar from a lot of fruit so

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you know instead of drinkingorange juice, which is the sugar
from 10 Oranges, you're betteroff eating one orange and
getting the the taste of anorange and the fiber. Yeah,

and what about like magnesium supplements? Do you
reckon because I hear a lot ofAmericans are also vitamin D and
magnesium deficient but themagnesium can help synthesize
vitamin D.

Yeah, I recommend both. The reason why
people are magnesium deficientis a drink bottled water
filtered water. So it'sfiltering out the magnesium so
we commonly recommend magnesiumfor people palpitations, extra
heartbeats muscle cramps atnight, and we recommend vitamin
D most of us get insufficientsunlight to convert vitamin D so

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we need vitamin Dsupplementation, but these are
common things that now over timehave borne out and if there's
any deficiency in theliterature, it's typically not
testing high enough doses. Hmm,

that's interesting.
What are your thoughts on youknow trendy drug right now? I
was like ozempic Are those kindsof similar? Do you have any
thoughts on that or theories ofis this is that there's going to
be side effects to these drugsthat come out later. I mean,
some are already having sideeffects. Now.

These drugs are called GLP. One
agonists and they are effectivein curbing hunger and losing
weight. But predictably,patients regain all the weight
when they stop them theirinjections and have to be given
once a week. So you know, in adiabetic with an OB who's obese
and struggling, I'll prescribeozempic Or one Jarrell, but it

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really ought to be done. I thinkwith a goal of trying to help a
diabetic it shouldn't be donefor cosmetic weight loss.

Yeah, I mean, it's just so interesting, like
reading your book and learningabout the FDA and all these
drugs and how it's justconfusing because I remember
going back to the COVID stuff,it's the ivermectin and it was
so demonized. And there was allthese jokes about and all this
and wondering, can you kind ofdig deeper and you talked about
this in your book, how that, youknow, they were pushing a

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different antiviral medication,because they can make more money
because ivermectin is a genericso there's not a lot of money to
be made with that. Is thatcorrect?

It's true.
ivermectin very affordable,safer than Tylenol, over 100
studies, very effective andCOVID, both inpatient
outpatient, hydroxychloroquineequally as affordable, more
favorable data over 300 studies,mainly without patients.
Aspirin, very affordable vitaminD, the nasal sprays, available
culture seen. All of them weredemonized. All of them were

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impeded by the federalgovernment, even high tech
expensive products likemonoclonal antibodies, which are
safe and effective. They weretaken off the market, one after
another by the federalgovernment. So federal
governments all over the worldworked to suppress any hope of
treatment. And as a result,Americans and people across the

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world they suffered. They werehospitalized, and they they
died. Yeah. And this was amethod I think, to force people
into vaccination. Yeah,

because so with ivermectin explain how that
works. Because I don't know alot about I know it's an anti
parasite drug. It's so they'rethe evidence. Some of the
evidence was in India, but theywere saying oh, the only reason
it helped with COVID in India isbecause India's there was more
people with parasites. So howdid it help people like
Americans? How did it work forthem? ivermectin has

been shown to block the effects of the
spike protein on the virusthat's the injurious part of the
virus, it inhibits the virusfrom penetrating the human
nucleus and then influences theexpression of certain
inflammatory factors. So theseare well proven and preclinical
studies in in the United Statesof prospective comparative
study, the Icahn study waspublished out of Florida, by Dr.

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Shawn shock roster, published inchest, our best pulmonary
journal, in ivermectin wasassociated with a 50% reduction
in mortality. So it wasn't justIndia, and it had nothing to do
with parasites. It directlysaved lives of people sick with
COVID-19, which is a viralillness. Yeah,

it was part of that protocol you had and you kind of
had to you had to get on a quickright, they had to get it fast
before the virus couldreplicate. That works to

the antivirals. hydroxychloroquine.
ivermectin and then the if packslove it, or Mona Pierre Vera is
used or outside the UnitedStates. favipiravir just needs
to be used quickly. Withivermectin it just took time for
us to learn the dose. The doseis 0.6 milligrams per kilogram.
So these are compoundingcapsules nowadays. So someone

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your size would probably takeabout 48 milligrams, maybe 36.
So then 12 milligram increments,smaller woman may take 24
milligrams of big man may take60 milligrams, but these are the
doses now we're using forivermectin much higher than
originally proposed. Are

people still getting that regimen with COVID?
I mean, is there still a risk ofdying of COVID? Or I mean, just
don't hear about as much as thevirus kind of mutated so that
it's a lot weaker now? Arepeople still struggling? The

virus has mutated, it's far weak or people
have had previous infection sothey have natural immunity, so
there's little risk ofhospitalization or death with
COVID. Now occasionally, we'llfind some seniors recently had
two patients in my office intheir 90s with their first
episode of COVID. And theyneeded for Makala protocol. They
needed some IVs. In the office,they got through it fine. But

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people on their second or thirdinfection, it's mild. We still
use ivermectin because it canhelp them with symptoms of a man
right now, who had severe COVIDwas hospitalized the first time
he's got symptoms again. So Ihave him on ivermectin, he's
gonna get through it just fine.
Is that

the same protocol that the Joe Rogan took? Because
he got better like three days hesaid,

Yeah, Joe Rogan air and Rogers, even
former President Trump, they allgot version semicolon protocol.
So it was great to see him getbetter.

So did you think Trump and some of these
politicians, did they actuallyget the vaccine? Or because they
say that they did. But I mean, Idon't know. I'm skeptical. I
don't know what to believeanymore.

I think we should take it at face value. I
think they took the vaccine. Ithink the bigger question is,
why aren't they calling for thevaccine? It'd be pulled off the
market. Why are they notalarmed? With record numbers of
cardiac arrest strokes, bloodclots, immunologic problems, you
know, the CDC says 18,655Americans have died with the

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taking the vaccine 1150 rightafter they take it in the
vaccine center. Few hours later,1200 the next day? What
President would not be alarmedwith a couple of 1000 Americans
dying right after they took thethe needle? It's probably
underreported by 30. So the truenumber of people who died in the
United States with a vaccinecould be, you know,

(31:01):
500,050 550,000 Americans, morethan half a million Americans
died. They are that that shouldbe the number one talking point
on every platform of peoplerunning for office. And yet we
have to we have two presidentialcandidates, our two main ones.
They're responsible for bringingus the vaccine for mandating the

(31:25):
vaccine. And now guess what theywant? They both want to be in
office again. And neither one isexpressing any concerns over
vaccine safety. Americans shouldbe outraged.

Well, yeah. And I find it interesting in your
book. I mean, everyone wants tolabel you as a right wing Q anon
conspiracy theorists, but inyour book, you say you actually
voted for Hillary Clinton andObama? Yeah,

yeah. So I, you know, I am a, an
independent, I've votedRepublican. I've voted
Democratic. I've voted for thebushes in the past. So so you
can see how these variouspundits are so wrong in their
labeling of things. Yeah, I'm apolitical independent, but I
gotta tell you this race comingdown. I talked to the average

(32:09):
American, they don't want Trumpand they don't want by. They
want us to get some fresh ideas,particularly our senior
citizens. They were burned withCOVID. They saw the Trump
administration grosslymismanaged the country that last
year that of the Trumpadministration was a disaster,
he walked us right in thepandemic locked us down, rolled

(32:33):
out remdesivir hired Fauci mean,couldn't be worse, as a
disaster, and the Bidenadministration was installed,
and they've been even worse.

So you're not riding with Biden this time?

You know, it's I think it's a vote for
either one right now is a votefor more vaccine misery. So I
think well, then really tough. Ithink they have to now, Biden
and Trump are vaccine brothers.
They are the same on thevaccine. So if either one of
them want to distinguishthemselves, they should come out
and tell us what they thinkabout the vaccines. So then, as

(33:09):
you differentiate this is thisis the this is the political
opportunity of a lifetime. Ithink whichever candidate comes
out and says, You know whatvaccines were a giant mistake.
If I'm reelected, I'm going tomake this right for America,
there'll be a gushing sound ofvotes. If either candidate says
that, I think they're gonna winthe election. But if neither

(33:31):
candidate is willing to talkabout the vaccines, we're coming
down to another nip and tuckelection, no one knows what's
going to happen. Both sides aregoing to claim election fraud if
they lose, right, so rememberwhat Hillary Clinton lost. She
declared that there was, youknow, election integrity issues

(33:54):
Trump lost, he claimed thiselection integrity issues. So
you know, this voter fraud,election integrity is kind of a
sore losers. Campaign afterthat. I think America is sick of
sore losers, we should just havepeople who run on issues, who
are clear with the country canunderstand if we've got the

(34:15):
country suffering from amiserable COVID 19 pandemic
response in, in vaccinecampaign, they should come out
and level with the country, theycan win the election.

I agree. 100%. What are your thoughts on RFK Jr,
then? Because I think you werementioned in his book The real
Anthony Fauci and you guys havea lot of similar beliefs on
COVID-19 and vaccines. Well,

unlike Biden, and Trump, who I don't
know personally, I do know RFKpersonally and he does offer you
know, clarity on the pandemicresponse and the vaccines which
is good, the challenges he facesare going to, you know, be
getting on the ballot and allthe states and becoming much
more residential. What I'd liketo see out of him is, you know,

(35:02):
standard comments about theeconomy, foreign affairs,
domestic affairs, education,immigration, he's got to put it
together and become morepresidential. I think what I'm
seeing right now is just tooargumentative, almost like a
litigator, wants to, you know,litigate the CIA and what have

(35:24):
you, and now's not the time todo that, now's the time to
really take on a presidentialpersona, and take a stance on
how they're going to lead thecountry.

Yeah, you're bringing up a good point about,
I don't know if there's a lot ofdifference. I mean, there's
problems with both of those, andeven the third guy RFK what I
find interesting, too, is that Inever heard, because I watched a
lot of those press conferencesduring COVID, with Trump and
Fauci. And they never talkedabout a lot of the common sense
approaches with to treat COVIDIn terms of preparing your

(35:55):
yourself for the for catching avirus like exercise, sunshine,
drinking water, boosting yourimmune system with vitamin C,
zinc, natural supplements, therewas I didn't hear any of that.

Yet, both of them have done a terrible job
preparing the country for apandemic or to manage through a
pandemic, and we're now beingthreatened with disease X, you
mentioned bird flu, we're rightback to same, the same
fundamentals, our public healthagencies have held no open
forums, there's no q&a. There'sno practical sets of

(36:29):
regulations. In fact, just theopposite, you know, for the
virus, Seidel, nasal sprays andgargles. Every company was tied
up in court with the FederalTrade Commission, they didn't
want anybody to use nasal spraysand cargoes, Eric NewBeauty, who
is, you know, an innovator withvitamin D supplements he was he
was viciously attacked in thecourts by the Federal Trade

(36:50):
Commission, it cost him afortune to manage out of that.
So both the Trump administrationand the Biden administration
have been terrible, it wouldhave would have been better if
they were just neutral. Do youknow when the Spanish flu
pandemic Woodrow Wilson was thepresident? He never mentioned
the pandemic? Really? Yeah, itwas a problem that doctors

(37:13):
handled, it wasn't apresidential issue, we would
have been better off if if thepresident stayed out of it, the
government side of it and thedoctors just handled it, we
would have been fine. What

was interesting in your book, this was probably one
of the most shocking parts whereyou talk about most of the
doctors were scared themselvesof getting it. So they didn't
want to treat they were worriedabout how do we protect
ourselves with masks and andpieces of gear or whatever. And
so that you were the one of thefew that was like, Okay, how do
we treat this disease, we helppatients get better.

That's so true that conference calls and
remember, we're all aboutpersonal protective equipment,
hand sanitizers, gloves, reverseventilation, everyone was
worried about themselves, theywere playing defense, trying to
protect themselves as opposed tohelp patients and, and as a
doctor, my first priority isalways the patient, we always

(38:06):
put the patient above ourselves.
We didn't see that at all, withthe pandemic response.

Yeah, and it just, I mean, I just as doing my own
research, and I know you're notsupposed to do that, but they
used to call it reading, right?
That's Jimmy doors joke that waslike, you know, doing your own
research used to be calledreading, but now it's terrible.
But I mean, when theprescription drugs, just the
process, do you understand theapproval process with
prescription drugs that I heard,I was reading this thing about
sticking run 50 studies on adrug. And as long as two of them

(38:34):
or positive, then it gets FDAapproval,

or something drug approval process
is driven by the companies whowant to apply to have a drug
approved by the FDA. So thecompanies get to pick what
studies they do and how theyassemble their dossier. So it is
driven by the companies, it justit is the process of what it is
what the FDA should be as anunbiased regulator, looking at

(39:00):
the full breadth of the data andensuring safety that's more in
the house, the FDA is not in aposition to try to tell us, you
know, risks and benefits and tryto tell us how to practice
medicine. They're not quite aset of qualified doctors or even
licensed to do that. But theyshould be able to regulate on
safety, and protect Americansfrom unsafe products where the
FDA has failed, is they shouldhave pulled the COVID-19

(39:24):
vaccines off the market veryearly in 2021. They're not safe
for human use. Now we havemultiple societies that are
calling for the vaccines to bepulled off the market and the
FDA is behind on this. This isnot looking good. Yeah,

well, so what is your take on the I think it was
the lancet study that said theCOVID vaccine prevented
whatever, a million deaths orwhatever, like, what are you
what are your thoughts on that?
I mean, that seems like I don'tknow how they measured those
statistics of how it couldprevent and then we didn't have
a control group of I mean, didwe or I guess I don't really
understand that study. Now,

the prospective randomized trial As
placebo controlled are the onlyones we can use to try to
discern if the vaccine saveslives. And in those trials, more
people died with vaccines thanwith placebo. So the vaccines
did not reduce death rates atall did not. Now we have a paper
out of Montreal, DennisRancourt, an ecological

(40:21):
analysis, his conclusion is theopposite, that the vaccines have
actually caused about 17 milliondeaths. So I would follow the
rant court data. The vaccinesare causing death, we have 4000
Peer Reviewed papers describingfatal and non fatal Vaccine
Injury syndromes. The vaccinesdidn't save lives. They've cost
people their lives. Well,

yeah, like I said, I know, for a fact there's tons
of people that are having sideeffects from both COVID and from
the vaccines. But I know that,you know, if you ask Siri, you
know, this is a fun test is toask Siri who paid the largest
fine in US history. It's Pfizer,they paid a $2.2 billion, fine.
But they made 8 billion thatyear. So they're still okay.

(41:04):
They're still in business. Imean, there's, you know, Bayer
that make aspirin and otherthings. They sold the drug that
was infected with the AIDSvirus, and then they just dumped
it overseas, and they're stillin business. So what is the FDA
doing? Why are these companiesstill in business if they're if
they're doing terrible thingsthat are hurting people?

Sadly, the FDA is corrupted by big pharma
they received most of theirrevenue from fees, they charge
Big Pharma, nine out of the 10last FDA commissioners they go
work for big pharma when they'redone at the FDA. So it's a
corrupt system. So what we callthe biopharmaceutical complex in
our book, we can't trust the FDAat this point in time, they're

(41:43):
not making decisions that are inthe best interest of the health
of Americans. Yeah,

something like those 11 A 1145 lobbyists. Well,
this was in 2013, compared to535 members of Congress. So
that's like $400,000 percongressman, and the farmer can
pay all these fees to speed upthe approval rate. I mean, it
seems highly corrupted.

It's a very corrupt system, we've got
to get the big pharma money outof the FDA, we need to clean
house at the FDA, FDA shouldhave a major focus on drug
safety, constantly having safetyreviews, the FDA is not
reviewing the safety of theCOVID-19 vaccines or drugs like

(42:29):
remdesivir. It's in hospitaluse. So we have a situation
where the FDA is off the rails.
And they're not protecting usagainst what is a evolving
debacle, a biopharmaceuticaldebacle that's causing more harm
than good. Yeah,

it's scary, because I always used to just want to be
able to trust our government andtrust that the FDA has done
their job. But I feel like it'snot just the COVID vaccines, I
feel like it's other drugs, andeven things that are food that
we're not being told about thathave long term effects. And I
also don't think that we know alot of the effects when the the
COVID vaccines came out, theysaid, these are safe and

(43:09):
effective. And like, how can youknow the long term effects of
this vaccine, it's only been onthe, it's only been around for
what, like a year or whatever.
So I don't really understand howthey can say that it's 100% safe
and won't cause any sideeffects, especially later down
the line. These

are fraudulent claims. Remember, in
the clinical trials program, theprimary series took a month to
get these two shots, and they'rejust two months of observation.
No one knew at month four orfive or six, what would happen.
So anybody claiming that theywere safe and effective, was
basically making a statementthat was out of an article of

(43:47):
faith. It wasn't based on data,they was wishful thinking, maybe
they wish they would be safe andeffective. But no one could know
if they were safe and effective,because they were too new.
Right.

And like you said, I mean, we're seeing, I think,
possibly could just be the tipof the iceberg with these issues
that a lot of people I mean,because we won't see the long
term effects of this for 50 or100 years. I mean, like a kid
got a COVID vaccine at six yearsold. We might not see the
effects of that for a while,right.

It's so true. You know, the recent
Pfizer study has just come outon doing the vaccine given a
vaccine in pregnant women. Andthis is a small study, they
stopped early. It's grosslyunderpowered. But I gotta tell
you, there was four times asmany birth defects in babies
from vaccinated mothers comparedto unvaccinated. Me This is

(44:40):
awful. This is absolutely awful.
So parents that have childrenwith birth defects. Now one of
the first questions we're goingto ask is Did you take a COVID
vaccine?

Oh, that's really scary. Is that something that
this would happen? Like you'resaying if they got the COVID
vaccine while they werepregnant, or just even before
that, well

This was a study of giving the vaccine
while they're pregnant, which isa disaster, and that's pregnancy
category X, I published that forAmericans in 2021. I told
everyone a pregnant woman shouldnot take a brand new genetic
injection during pregnancy. Thatsounds bad, it is bad. Now the
data are clear it causes birthdefects. But you know, there's a

(45:20):
great concern since these arelong acting. People have taken
the shots in the years beforethey conceive both the men and
the women. We have no ideawhat's going to happen. People
have to understand we can't playaround with genetic technology
and hope that it was going to besafe and gonna be okay. Chances
are it's not.

Yeah, I mean, that always scared me. I did. I took
the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.
So I thought, well, at leastthat technology has been around
longer, but I still feel like Ihave a weird like, I might have
to do this McAuliffe protocolbecause I still feel like I have
shooting pains in my hands andnumbness in my hands that I'd
never had that before.

No, even the Johnson Johnson vector Eggsy
installs a massive amount ofSpike protein in the body and
has long acting effects brokencolleague's shell the spike
protein is circulating in thebloodstream for at least six
months, maybe longer. Sopatients like you I would get
the extended range antibody testagainst the spike protein see

(46:22):
how much we're dealing with? Doan assessment you're right
McCullough protocol based byprotein detoxification. If any
of the auto immune markers arepositive, we usually use
hydroxychloroquine. So we areable to get people to resolve
the syndrome. But it takes a ittakes an adept practitioner I
think an unvaccinated doctor tohelp discern what's going on get

(46:42):
people on the right track.

What was the test that you said

do you use? It's called the LabCorp
extended range antibody testagainst the spike protein. Okay.

And so that's something that I can talk to a
doctor about. That's someonethat actually is going to do
that, because I feel like a lot.
You're right. I think a lot ofdoctors are just going to
dismiss this as Oh, you justbeen reading too much on the
internet. And, you know, butthere's people that are
suffering. One person I'm gonnahave on my podcast, actually, I
think you I don't know if youremember this, this nurse
Lindsey. I don't know what herlast name is, like, Lindsey Rn

(47:12):
is her Twitter handle. But shehad huge side effects. You
remember her?

Yeah, poor Lindsey. I think that's Lindsay
house. She's had a miserabletime, hair falling on auto
immune problems. She sought amyriad of treatments. I have
patients, my office is loadedwith patients like that.

Wow. And so but hopefully a lot of them are
seeing some positive effectsfrom this protocol that you've
created.

Yeah, it just takes a long time. So it
could take three

months minimum, could take a year could take
longer than a year.

It could not remember these are safe to
use long term anyway, patientswith heart disease are probably
going to use nattokinase longterm anyway. But yeah, people
should plan on a long haul forthis.

Yeah. Is there any other things that you recommend
for just general heart healthor?

Well, General heart health, I advise
the wellness company as thechief scientific officer and the
one supplement I'm really highon is called Heart and muscle
support from wellness companytwc.health.com. And has
everything in it that I'drecommend for the patients with
heart disease, including ACLcarnitine, D ribose. B vitamins,

(48:24):
selenium, it's a great product,one capsule twice a day.

Yeah, I mean, do you think statins are being over
prescribed? Or it seems seemslike there's a lot or are
chronic health is getting worse?
And the prescription drugs isgoing up? Is there a connection
there? Or is that just becausewe're living longer? Or what's
the story without having

health getting worse is probably more
related to diabetes and lack ofphysical exercise. It's easy to
kind of blame the drugs, butcome on, people are enormous.
They can even run a mile or two.
And the drugs are largelyprobably appropriately used. I
mean, statins do reducecholesterol, it results in lower
rates of heart attack, stroke,bypass surgery, angioplasty.

(49:07):
They have side effects by 15% ofpeople have muscle aches, it's
not a big deal. We stopped thestatin it goes away. But statins
clearly have a role. So this isout of mind if they can't
tolerate statins, we useinjectable drugs called PCs K
nine inhibitors. So we have alot to do you know, before we
had statins, we had about amillion bypass surgeries in the

(49:29):
United States. And now we'redown to about 150,000. So wow,
clearly they've made a bigpositive impact. But

so what you're saying too is if people ate
better exercise took care ofthemselves. Maybe we could avoid
having people go on all theseprescription drugs as well.
Well,

certainly for diabetes. That's the case
maybe avoiding in some peopleblood pressure lowering lipid
lowering therapy. It is a leanhorse for a long race, no doubt
about it stain free of smoking.
No alcohol if one can leave thelead the cleanest life possible.
That's the best chance of notneeding drugs. No

alcohol at all because he my grandfather, he's
lived to 91 He drank martinisevery day.

Well there you go. But yeah you know I'm
balance you know there are risksand benefits of drinking alcohol
but in balance, the the benefitthe risks outweigh the benefits
so I think the big ones aredisturbing sleep people drink
alcohol, never sleep good. Andthen atrial fibrillation you
know, getting on blood thinners,having ablations and having all

(50:34):
related to alcohol it's notworth it. So

was the research with that though, because they
would say like drink a glass ofred wine is because doesn't
alcohol thin your blood? So thenthat would help a little bit
with the heart stuff, right?

Well, alcohol raises HDL cholesterol a
little bit but again, the thedownsides of alcohol not
sleeping, right? Atrialfibrillation, gaining weight,
you know, making people out ofshape. It's very hard to be in
shape and drink alcohol. It'sjust it's just not worth it.

(51:06):
Yeah,

moderation is the key or just to cut it out
entirely.

Yeah, I think if you want to sleep well,
most people they find good toget to about 28 days no alcohol
sleep comes back to normal.
It's, it's so worth it to havegood quality sleep. Great.

Awesome. Well, good. Great stuff. Thank you so
much for doing this. People canfollow you on Twitter. And I'll
put your website in the shownotes. Anything else you have?
Be

sure to follow me on Twitter I got the
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(51:54):
face COVID courage to facecovid.com fivestar bestsellers
the only book during the COVIDgenre that Amazon attempted to
ban an enormous public pressureAmazon was forced to put it back
on the market. There's nothingwrong with the book. It's
actually it's a hot book, peoplewant to know why it was banned.
And it's obvious you read it.
And you can attest that it'seasy to read. It's a fun read

great book, I got an audible and I just I'd go
double speed and use you citeall the sources. I mean, in
every interview, I've watched aton of your interviews, you're
always citing the things andthen I'll try to watch the
debunking videos for people thattry to debunk you. They always
just say the same thing. Well,the CDC said this and I'm like,
okay, but have we not proventhat the CDC and the FDA and all

(52:39):
these organizations have made alot of mistakes, and they I feel
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this isnot true, but it seems like they
are corrupted. And that's whatyou're saying too. And I think
people trust you. That's whyyou're the number one most
followed. Doctor.

Thank you.
Thank you so much. Great to beon the show. Yeah,

thank you so much for doing this. I'll get it out
soon. Thanks so much.

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