Ex Seahawks Strength Coach Chris Carlisle Talks Winning a Super Bowl, Training & His Book

Chris Carlisle, former Seahawks strength coach, discussed his approach to training and coaching. He emphasized the importance of constant learning, innovation, and adapting techniques. Carlisle highlighted Pete Carroll's success due to his genuine and consistent approach, which fostered a strong team culture. He shared insights on managing diverse personalities like Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman, and Marshawn Lynch. Carlisle also stressed the significance of fundamentals, mobility, and proper nutrition in athletic performance. He concluded by advocating for a mindset of continuous improvement and using one's unique talents to achieve success. Chris Carlisle, former Seahawks strength coach, emphasized the importance of consistency, genuineness, and care in building trust with players. He highlighted that by being honest and genuinely invested in his players, such as Marshawn, Cam, and Richard, he earned their trust and commitment. Carlisle stressed that success in leadership is rooted in daily consistency and genuine care for individuals. He also shared his passion for helping others, noting that while winning a championship was significant, his true motivation is inspiring and reaching a broader audience. Chuck Shute promoted Carlisle's book, available on various platforms, and appreciated the audiobook version.

0:00:00 - Intro

0:00:20 - Innovation in Strength Training 

0:02:40 - Pete Carroll's Vision & Coaching Style 

0:08:01 - Handling Diverse Personalities on a Team 

0:11:12 - The Role of Culture & Consistency in Team Success 

0:15:11 - Importance of Mobility & Leverage in Football 

0:18:15 - Beast Mode, Moving the Earth & Using Tools 

0:23:39 - Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Work Ethic & Balance 

0:28:25 - The Role of Nutrition & Supplementation in Athletics 

0:32:10 - Spectrum of Achievement & Levels of Success 

0:39:25 - Knowing When to Quit & Shift 

0:41:10 - Being Consistent & Genuine 

0:42:20 - Sports is a Metaphor & Thinking Differently 

0:46:10 - Being Able to Move & Being Great 

0:47:30 - NFL Draft & Building a Championship Team 

0:50:01 - Russell Wilson & Personality Changes 

0:52:05 - Path to Success 

0:55:55 - Different Goals, Balance & Making World Better 

0:58:47 - Multi-Tasking & Gratitude 

1:00:23 - Future Plans for Chris 

1:02:25 - Not Letting People Stop Your Dreams 

1:06:00 - Firing People Up & Motivate 

1:09:38 - Outro 

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Episode Transcript

THEME SONG (00:05):
Heavy stars, rock and rolling through the cool
guitars. Chucks got thequestions, taking so sharp,
feeling bad layers head in theheart.

Chuck Shute (00:20):
That is something that, even with straight because
I go to a gym, and it's not thatI have a personal trainer, but
we have, the way they set it upis they have, they have
trainers, and you're in a groupof, like, four people or less,
and a lot of times it's just meand the trainer, but so I learn
a lot from these guys. And Imean, I think that's a big
thing, is innovating and alwayslooking for the new thing and

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the next thing, and thissupplement and this new exercise
and this new technique. I mean,is that something you had to
stay on top of as a strengthcoach?

Chris Carlisle (00:48):
Yeah, there's if you want to keep on edge. Yeah,
I think, I think, and we'll talkabout this as we go through, but
I think you've got to constantlybe learning. If you're not
constantly learning and you'refalling behind. My son. Had he
coaches at ASU as a strengthcoach. I told him not get into
it, but he did. He went againstmy my words of wisdom. And they

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had a group in that they wereteaching, and some coaches from
the outside. And I said, if youdon't steal more from them than
you give to them, then you fail,because we're all about
learning, and it may not be onprogramming and such. Because
they were a smaller it was ahigh school team that had come
in. And you might not be able tolearn as much, but you can learn

(01:34):
something. You can stealsomething from them. And that's
how I look at is you'restealing. I'm the greatest thief
of all coaches. I've got amaster's degree in history,
nothing in kinesiology, nothingphysiology. Everything I had, I
stole and I went out and I wasbrave enough to ask a stupid
question, you know, to ask, Why?
Why? Why do you do that? Becausejust what I see is Life is a big

(02:00):
puzzle, and we're always tryingto get pieces into that puzzle
and put it in place. And what ifyou don't ask that question, you
don't get that piece in. But ifyou've ever worked a puzzle and
you find that piece and it fits,all of a sudden, all these other
pieces go in and and it'samazing how everything come
together all of a sudden whenyou get that one piece, but you

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had to go find it. Nobody drugit to your door, so you've got
to drag it out of people. Sothat's why I love doing this. I
love meeting new people andlearning from them. And you
know, that's the excitement I Ilove the interaction with other
people. That's one of myfavorite things ever. So, yeah,
when

Chuck Shute (02:42):
you worked for Pete Carroll, I mean, you want a
national championship and youguys want a Super Bowl, what did
you learn from him? Because yourjob, you said, was to spread the
culture and his vision. Like,what was it, or how would you
describe his vision? Because Iknow some people were really
very critical when he got thatjob as the Seahawks coach. They
said, Oh, he's raw, raw. This isin the NFL. He's, he's just a

(03:05):
raw, raw cheerleading coachthat's not going to work in the
NFL, but he won a Super Bowl, sodo

Chris Carlisle (03:10):
but, but he's, he's okay. You have Nick Saban
on one side of the line. Youhave peak here on the other side
of the line, okay, yeah, BillBelichick on one side of the
line. You got Sean McVeigh onthe other side of the line.
Okay? Why are they allsuccessful? Because they coach
differently. They're all ondifferent sides of the line. You
know, different parts of theline. Some are way over. Bella

(03:32):
checks, way over on this side,piece way over the other side.
Why did? Because they'reconsistent and they're genuine.
You can't go out and be that.
Why has there not been a guyfrom the Belichick tree that has
gone on to be successful in anyway, shape or form? Because they
all try to be Bill Belichick.

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You can't be Bill Belichick isthe only person to be Bill
Belichick is Bill Belichick in,in, in the in Bill Belichick
book, I think it was Patriot wayhe talked about when he got the
Cleveland job, that he tried tobe Bill Parcells, and he failed
miserably, because he didn'thave the answers when he got
into quick decisions or lookingdown the road, because only Bill

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Parcells knew how far that roadwould travel. So when he got the
Patriots job, he said, I'm goingto be me. I only know how to be
me. I'm going to be me the bestway. And if it doesn't work,
fine, I've got it out of mysystem. I can go back and be a
defensive coordinator, because Iknow I can do that. And so he
became him. All right, PeteCarroll is genuine, and He's

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different from everybody else,because he's rah, rah, which is
great, because he does it Mondaythrough Sunday. He doesn't put
on a show on Sunday afternoonsor on Saturday afternoons. When
he was coaching on the field, hewasn't putting on a show. That's
who he is. And then the playersget to understand, it's like,
okay, then they. Buy into theculture. Now my job in this

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system was not only to help themphysically be better, all right,
but it was also a big part ofthat was to go through the
process of understanding whywe're doing this, and it's all
about the culture that we havebuilt. And see culture starts at
the top, and you've got to havea plan, and that's why so many
coaches fail. You look at whatis it? Eight to 10 jobs every

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year in the NFL, that's a thirdof the population is cold every
year. Why? Most of these peopledon't have a culture. They never
thought about they they got thejob because they're brilliant. X
and O guys, all right. They hadall the answers they could put
all the drone. But that doesn'twork in the locker room. That
doesn't work in the in the timein between in meetings. It

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doesn't work when times aretough. It doesn't, you know, it
just doesn't work. You've got tohave the communicator. Now. How
many times can Pete Carroll talkto the team during the day?
Well, in the meeting and inpractice, he'll talk to guys all
right, but how often do theytalk to him? So now, who touches
the players as much as the headfootball coach? Well, the

(06:11):
strength coach, I touched everyone of them, not a defensive
coordinator, not an offensivecoordinator, because the
defensive coordinator stayspretty much on his side of the
aisle. Offensive coordinator hashis side of the who touches
everybody, even the trainersdon't. Trainers only deal with
injured guys, so it's theequipment room and the strength
coaches. Okay, so when I messagePete Carroll and I speak fluent

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Pete Carroll All right, on howto go ahead and do it. Now, what
I would do is take his stories,but I use my stories and my
names in there so that, whathappens if I just parrot what
Pete Carroll says and thedefensive coordinator does, the
offensive coordinator does, andeverybody just parrots Pete

(06:55):
Carroll. What happens when itcomes back to Pete Carroll
telling the same story? Right?
Consistency. It becomes static.
Though you've already heard it,I've already heard it. I knew
something. Okay. So if I tell adifferent story, Pete Carroll
talks about the I just used hisname earlier today, the UCLA

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John Wooden. So John Wooden hada quote that, be quick, but
don't hurry. Be quick. We don'tthat way you get to the point
where you're supposed to be andyou're able to take in all that
you have in front of you. Okay,so Pete uses that story. Now, I
could use another story. So Ihave two bulls are standing on
top of the hill. Young Bullsays, let's run down and get us

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one of those cows. Old bullsays, let's walk down and get
them all. Okay, the whole so. Somy story links into his, but
it's a different story. So whenPete Carroll comes back in the
fall and tells that story, oh,it's fresh, because they didn't
hear it for a year. My story.
They heard that story and itlinked it. Now the defensive

(08:03):
coordinator puts his story in,the offensive coordinator puts
his story in, the special teamscoordinator puts his story in,
and all of a sudden, now we'reall messaging the same way. But

Chuck Shute (08:16):
yeah, how does that work with different
personalities? Because, I mean,I look at that championship
Seahawks team, and you just hadsuch interesting personalities.
You had the quarterback, RussellWilson, who was very quiet, you
know, humble back then, I thinkhe's changed a little bit since
then. We could talk about that,but, you know, he was kind of
put his head down, go to work,go Hawks. And then you had
Richard Sherman, who's like, I'mthe best corner in the game. And

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you had Marshawn Lynch, who waslike, I don't want to talk to
the press like, you know, youhave these personalities. And I
feel like, with a Lynch andSherman, they had this, like,
swagger. And I know in yourbook, you talk about, you know,
arrogance is one of thepitfalls, but it seemed to work
for them. So how did that? Howdid Pete handle those
personalities? You

Chris Carlisle (08:55):
ever watch wrestling, professional
wrestling? Oh, yeah, withbranding, yeah, bad guy. All
right, that's what it is. WhenRichard goes on and puts on his
his his costume, his uniform, hebecomes the bad guy. When did
you do it with the tip in theend zone against the 40 Niners?
And he got into, all right? Thatwas the bad guy, okay? And then

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he talked and he did it Marchon, on the other hand. Now,
Marshawn one of the most genuinepeople. And Richard was genuine.
Richard was an amazing guy. Andcam was amazing. And all those
guys, Mike Bennett, and allthose guys, big red and I mean,
just amazing people when theygot away from the limelight,

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because what you see as a fan iswhat they put out on the field.
That's their branding, okay?
What I saw were individuals whocared about how to take care of
myself. How do I elongate mycareer? Because there's not
another job out there that I'mgonna make 15 to $20 million
planning. Game, and so they wereamazingly branded, and so that's

(10:02):
part of it right there. Now,when they have a head coach that
is consistent and cares aboutthem and the staff cares about
them, there's that buy in, thatthey want to be part of it,
because it's genuine, it'sconsistent, okay? Because humans
love consistency, right? If youlook what, what, what Bill

(10:25):
Belichick did with hisorganization and what Pete
Carroll did with hisorganization, two different
ways, two different things, butbecause the people were having
success, it was like, Okay, I'mgonna buy and I'm gonna go ahead
and sell, buy into what we'redoing here, because it's so darn
important.

Chuck Shute (10:45):
Yeah, I heard you say that the lob for us. It's,
you know, we Legion, a boom. Butit had another meeting behind
closed doors. It was meant loveour brothers. So there's a
different kind of thing going onbehind closed doors that you got
to see. And

Chris Carlisle (10:59):
that was the cool thing, the way that they
interacted with each other, theway they challenged each other,
when when you see lesser teamsthat are not culturally tied in
having a lot of fights on thison the field, because people are
afraid to be challenged, and inPete's organization, with the

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way that he developed his teamwas that there was a lot of
challenging but it was aboutcompetition, because when we
finished here, we're all on thesame team, there wasn't an
offense versus a defensementality, except when the ball
was in play, and then when theygot together, there was great
camaraderie, Great care, greatlove of each other, because

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we're all doing this together.

Chuck Shute (11:45):
Yeah, didn't Pete, a lot of his coaching philosophy
came from a book about tennis. Iwant, I can't remember the name,
I want to say it's like the artof tennis or something, with
some old book, and it was allabout just continuing to
practice, like basic things overand over and over again, right?
Sure.

Chris Carlisle (12:00):
I mean, the fundamentals are the key. That's
and that's what's happened tocollege football now.
Fundamentals are out the door.
You don't teach fundamentalsanymore. It's fast break
offense. Because here's theproblem, I get I get 30 new
people, 40, maybe 60 new people.
I know ASU this year had like 50new kids come in on on transfer

(12:20):
portal, all right, and so howcan you, in six months, put all
this information into themanymore? I tell, I tell the
story about, I don't know if youremember the name. He was at
USC, a guy named Cedric Ellis.
Yeah, was a defensive tackle. Hewas a PAC 10 defensive lineman
of the year two years in a row.
Now, when, when, when Cedriccame in, he was a, he was a

(12:44):
really good high school footballplayer, but he thought he didn't
have to get any better. And sowe had to work with Cedric to
get his mindset that there wasmore in him that he could give.
And so about his sophomore year,all of a sudden he started
changing. He started doingthings, and I didn't have to get
on him nearly as much. And thenby the end of his junior year,

(13:08):
he was an All American. He was adefensive player, defensive
lineman year, senior year again.
And so we're standing on thesideline at a Rose Bowl, and I
said, Sit. I said, What happenedto coach seat? I got tired of
yelling at me, and so I justsaid, what the flip? I'm just
going to go ahead and followwhat the man tells me to do. And
he said, then the worst thingever happened to coach. I said,

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What's that? People startedfollowing me and I couldn't slow
down. Now, in today's world ofthe n, i L and the transfer
portal, how long would anathlete sit in a team where he's
getting told that he's not doingthings right? Well, they're just
transfer somewhere else, yeah,and then so, so will he ever

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reach his potential? You know,because we have to sometimes be
pushed to meet our potential,because we're all human beings.
Are not the most obsessivepeople in the world, as far as
working themselves beyond whatthey think they can do, but
there's an envelope we can keeppushing the envelope, push the
envelope, push the envelope, andeventually you become even

(14:11):
better than you were. ReggieBush came to us at 185 pounds.
He left right around 200 pounds.
His 40 time got faster. How'dthat happen? All right? Well,
because it became more powerful,more explosive, we worked on his
his his technique, because Hewas God given fast, but we could

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even refine it a little bitfarther, because he had an open
mind that he wanted to getbetter. So you put 15 pounds on
his body, his body fat didn'tchange. So we put in good stuff
into him, and he became who hebecame.

Chuck Shute (14:48):
That's interesting, that he put on weight and got
faster. That's seems,

Chris Carlisle (14:51):
yeah, counterintuitive, yeah, you work
on the fundamentals like youwere talking about what people
said in getting the littlethings right. We continue to get
the little things right, and allsudden, the big things can
happen. Yeah,

Chuck Shute (15:04):
because you talk about how it's more important
for athletes to move, and theyonly need you for football. You
only need them to be strongenough, right? They need to be
have the basic strength levelonce they get over that, it's
just, it's almost a waste. Butdoesn't that? Doesn't that
different for offensive linemenand defensive linemen, because
you need the push. Isn't thestronger person getting the push
on it about

Chris Carlisle (15:23):
leverage, flexibility, mobility, low man
wins. You've heard that, right,yeah. How does a low man win?
Well, it's not his hips, it'shis ankle. Mobility. Which
offensive lineman to get lower?
So if my guys are more flexible,mobile and explosive than the
person they're playing, they getunder their mask and can lift
their masks out. Then, I don'tcare how strong you are, if
somebody has leverage on you,then you're going to win that

(15:46):
battle. Is

Chuck Shute (15:48):
there one skill or drill that best demonstrates
this ability to move that youalways talk about? There

Chris Carlisle (15:55):
was a running back here last year at ASU named
cam scotte. Oh, I love him.
Okay, so, so, you know, he'skind of a, he kind of a diesel.
He kind of looked kind of a dumptruck kind of guy. He's not
pretty, you know, he's a littlebit shorter, a little bit
stockier, plays with his heart.
He goes the combine. And they'reall thinking, Ah, you know, he's

(16:16):
gonna, you didn't run because,you know, you nobody runs at the
Combine anymore. But there aretwo tests I've always watched,
the standing long jump and thevertical jump, okay, where you
can get enough power to beexplosive. You can't cheat those
tests. You either can jump oryou can't jump. You can either
can get power and explode up. Hewent 39 inches on a vertical

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jump and went over 10 foot onthe standing long jump, which
are really, really exceptionalnumbers. You know, if you can
hit 11, then you're, you're outof this world. But he was in the
mid 10s, 10, 410, six, orsomething like that. And a 39
inch vertical, that means he cango ahead and generate power and
explosiveness, which is alwaystransferable to the football

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field running 40 yards. When'sthe last time you saw somebody
run 40 yards untouched on thefootball field? That doesn't
happen. So I tested useless. Howdoes he do on the 10 of the 20?
Yeah. Can he change direction?
Does he have vision? Look atMarshawn. Marshawn had amazing
vision. The Beast quake run whenhe planned it and cut it, cut

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the ball back all the waythrough the middle of the line
out to the other side, becausethe ball was going left, yeah,
and it should have hit andbounce it left. He bounced it
back, broke nine tackles, up 67yards. That's got to

Chuck Shute (17:37):
be partly, like you said, it's got to be his heart
with both Sean and Scott about Ijust see these guys that they're
not gonna quit. Like normalpeople are like, you get
grabbed. You're like, yeah,okay, I'm getting tackled. And
they're like, No, I'm notgetting they're not giving up
until the whistle blows. Then,then

Chris Carlisle (17:52):
you have to be strong enough to run through
those tackles, yeah? So you haveto have that base string.
Anything more than that isbaggage that you're just
carrying. A look at sprinters.
They're all ripped up and cutbut they're not looking like
bodybuilders, because if it'sall about muscle mass, then body
builders would be the fastestpeople in the world. They're
full of muscle. So there's thatpoint that you're strong enough
to do what you need to do. SoMarshawn cuts it back, and

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here's the moral of that storythat a lot of people miss. All
right? He jumps into the endzone. He scores the seismographs
go off, m1 or m2, earth tremor.
Okay? And here's the story fromthis one person with the desire,
the passion to do what it took,the desire, that passion to

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bleed, can move the Earth. Okay,so when you take that back to
what you do in your daily life,and I'm talking to you, I'm
talking to the people that arelistening this, whatever you do,
if you do with great passion andgreat understanding, great
energy, you can move the earth.
And that's the great thing.
That's what people fail to do.
Let me give you a quick example.

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Do you play cards at all? Chuckpoker,

Chuck Shute (19:03):
yeah, a little bit occasionally. A five What do you
hold them so you get five cards,

Chris Carlisle (19:08):
yeah. First card, yeah, it's not very good.
Second card, third card, fourthcard, fifth card,

Chuck Shute (19:22):
four aces, that's pretty good. Reduce, all

Chris Carlisle (19:25):
right, you're pretty happy with that, but
here's what happens. Here's whathappens to people. Oh, it's not
as good. It's not as good. I'vegot all these aces, but it's not
as good. I might fold my hand,then they go back and look at it
again. Oh shit, I can't see myaces because I'm now focused on

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that one thing that's bad aboutme. Think about how many people
in this world look at that. Theyhave all this talent, all this
ability, and they get focused inon the wrong thing. Um, they get
focused in on that deuce, andthat Deuce becomes the biggest
thing for them. It doesn't makethem worse. You're still going
to have a great hand. But peopleget so locked in what they can't

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do, they forget what they cando. Scatterbu doesn't worry
about he can't run a four, four.
Marshawn wasn't worried aboutrunning a four, two, all right?
What they were worried about wasdoing what their job was to do.
They looked at their aces. Whatcan I do better than everybody
else? And that's what it's allabout. You know, we're in this

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world where everybody has allthese great gifts and tools, and
in my book, I call my crayons,okay? And now some people had
the 64 and they even had thesharpener in the back that they
had all the talent, all theproblem. Now, if you could put
you had a big bowl of all thesecrayons, and you had to take a

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crayon out for each one of yourgifts and talents. How many
crayons would you take out ofthat? Chuck? Just a number 5070,
529 368 think about the giftsand talents you have, the things
that you do really well. Allright.

Chuck Shute (21:13):
Well, that's the thing, though, I think not
everybody's given four aces. Solike, I mean, Marshawn and
scoutable, these guys haveinsane talent. Like, what do you
I do? Think everyone has apurpose, but maybe not
everyone's is like to change theworld. What? Hold on now.

Chris Carlisle (21:28):
So, so if you have 64 you know how many I
have? I've got eight. That's allI got, all I've got. And they're
not the little eight or 64 thateverybody else has. Because I'm
a grinder. I'm going to take myeight talents, the things I do,

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I think as well, if not betterthan everybody in the world. I
have these eight, and I focus onthose eight, and I use those
eight every day. Here's theworst thing. I'm sitting in
elementary school, and I look atthe girl next to me, and I have
my eight crayons because I'mhave my crayons because my mom
knew who I was. She knew I was agrinder. She knew I'd be working
those crayons this down to pulp.
They'd just be wax. My picturesbecome 3d chuck that because

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they'd be so thick with crayonsthat water looked like you put
your hand into it. And I lookover at the table next to me,
and this girl have this box ofcrayons. And most of them had
that flat tip, and you know whatthat meant? She didn't use those
crayons. She didn't use hergift. And that's where it goes

(22:32):
back to those things, havingyour four aces, having those
crayons. Use every one of yourtalents every single day, and
you can change the world. I'mnot kidding you. Conor McGregor
just put out a there was a quoteabout him that it's about an
obsessive ability. He has nogifts or talents except he's

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obsessive about competing, aboutwinning, but being successful,
if people were obsessive, thenthey'd have a better way of
getting to where they wanted to,because we all have a purpose,
and we all have our dreams, butpeople don't chase them as soon
as they get that too. That's it.

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I'm not gonna look at the otherfour cards. I got a deuce. How
can I win? But you know, if ithappened to be a king, okay,
maybe they play along, but itwas a deuce, and they can't get
past that, because they can'tunderstand, they can't believe
that they have a chance to besuccessful. You know why?
Because the people around themtold them, you're a failure,

(23:35):
you're worthless, you can't doit. Yeah,

Chuck Shute (23:37):
that's interesting.
I mean, let's talk about like,then Russell Wilson, because I
think that's a perfect exampleof that. As a guy who was, I
don't know how tall he was, Whatis he like, 510, or quarterback,
and a lot of people said, youcan't make it in the NFL. You're
too short, you're too small. Buthe, I mean, I feel like it
really was the work ethic,because if I remember reading,
uh, correctly, I remember themsaying, like this, the Seahawks
had to, like, literally kick himout of the training facility.

(23:59):
They're like, look, we need toclose like he was there from
open to close like all the timewhen he first started. Right,

Chris Carlisle (24:07):
right, right.
Well, you know, and that heunderstood what he was lacking.
He understood what his Deucewas, and because it was about
physical size and ability, okay?
And so he had all theleadership. He had mindset. He
had all these great things. Buthe worked on that deuce. And he
worked on it till it became, youknow, a team. You know he he's

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not ever going to be six, five,all right. But he continued to
work on what his his what peopleperceived as his lack of
ability. But what he did was hehinged that then, with his
ability to move, he could extendthe play by keeping his eyes
down field. What happens with alot of these quarterbacks, or
movement quarterbacks, is assoon as they start to run, their

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eyes go down and look at thedefenders. When Russell began to
run, his eyes were downfieldwaiting for that corner to come
off, to come up, to make theplay, and he jumped it over the
top. So. And then he had DougBaldwin run underneath, who knew
that eventually he would comeopen, because somebody would go
ahead and chase him. And therewas Doug, okay, again, another
free agent, a guy that shouldn'thave been on the team. He How

(25:12):
about that? You go to SuperBowl, and you have Jermaine
curse on one side, and you haveDoug Baldwin, both free agents,
not highly, you know, highly,solid drafted. But they Yeah,
they made themselves who theywere because of their intensity,
their drive, their decision togo ahead and take their crayons,
and they didn't have as many assome guys, Percy Harvin, who

(25:32):
had, you know, a bazillion ofthese crayons, okay, but Doug
Baldwin would go in there and dothe dirty work because he had
the mentality, how I'm agrinder, I'm going to do it. If
Russell was there, 24/7 thenDoug was mayor, maybe they're 25
eight. Okay, another day. He wasa grinder, that kid. He was one

(25:55):
that you actually had to get outof there. He and He and J are
Sweezy were like that. BobbyWagner was like that. When the
gym on it, when the weight roomopened, they were in there doing
something, flexibility,mobility, stability. So, what is

Chuck Shute (26:07):
that? What does that look like? These guys that
then that being Pro Bowlers, andRussell Wilson, all you know,
they win the Super Bowl. Like,how what is, is their day? Just
literally, wake up, go to work,and just they're in the building
all day, and then go home, gohome, go to bed, and then do it
again the next

Chris Carlisle (26:22):
day. Like, well, they actually go home and they
do recovery and they do massage.
And their day, you know, youtalk to these pro guys, and
they're spending millions ofdollars on their body, you know,
taking care of themselves,because that is the vehicle
that's going to continue them onthis process to making all this
money, because there's no jobout in the real world that's
going to give them that kind ofmoney. And so they continually

(26:44):
working on their vehicle thatgets them to do what they're
able to do. It's not just I'monly going to do it for seven
months, and I'm gonna govacation for a while, for three
months or four months. You know,they're working eight months and
hard, and then they go onvacation for a couple of weeks,
and they come back and they'reright at it. Do you

Chuck Shute (27:04):
think there is a negative at some point, like,
can they work too hard? I mean,I know you never worked with
them, but just you look at a guylike Tom Brady, and this guy, I
mean, he's the greatest,arguably the greatest
quarterback. I don't even thinkit's arguable. I think he is the
greatest quarterback of alltime. How many Super Bowls? Six,
seven, whatever it was. And thenit's like he got to this point
where, I mean, he probably had,should have retired, but he just

(27:27):
wanted to keep going. He sawthat drive in him, and ended up
costing him his marriage. Andnow he's doing the announcing or
whatever, but like, how does hetransition from that work, or is
he still doing that work ethicwith announcing sure

Chris Carlisle (27:41):
he's doing the same thing. I'm sure. Though,
you know, those people areobsessive. They're driven to be
the best at whatever they do,and so when he's in this
mindset, he's doing, look at allthe things Marshawn does. He's
in films. He has a bar,restaurant, he has his clothing
line. He's still obsessive aboutbeing the best at what he does.

(28:04):
He's not going to put it outthere. He's, he's not going to
but, I mean, he's pregame, he's,you know, in that post game
stuff and everything. He isstill making his mark in
football, because he's obsessedabout being great. Yeah, it is.
It really to being how obsessiveare you about what you do?

Chuck Shute (28:25):
It's crazy too.
That like, but he would eatSkittles. I was like, Wait, this
is like, a professional athlete,and he is one of the best, but
he's eating Skittles. Yeah, Ithink DK Metcalf was eating,
said he ate a bunch of candytoo. I'm like, how do these
guys, how much does nutritionplay a role? Is that something
that

Chris Carlisle (28:42):
Marshawn didn't need a lot of candy around the
you know, he, you know, it's alot of branding. Yeah, you know,
how can I get Skittles to goahead and, you know, I'll be the
sponsor. It's, it's like HowieMandel was Sketchers, you know,
he went in and said, I'm anational voice for them. And,
and they call him, said, Hey, doyou want to be one of our
national voices? Sure. And nowhe gets free shoes, you know?

(29:05):
So, you know, you can, you cango out and really get anybody to
buy into what you're doing. So,

Chuck Shute (29:10):
so do they, they took nutrition really seriously,
is that? That's a big piece ofthat. Because, I

Chris Carlisle (29:15):
mean, you know, you can't look like that without
doing eating, right? You can'teat like a dump truck, you know,
and, or, yeah, you can't eatlike that. It just doesn't work
out that way. So they have anidea what they're doing now,
alignment, you look like JeffSaturday, played the NFL, gets
out, loses all this weight, youknow, well, because he didn't
have to force himself to eat,because he had to have the

(29:37):
weight to hold the position, youknow, you get tossed around if
you're too late. And so, youknow, those guys didn't, didn't
have that natural body size, butthey had the ability Ryan kil
played center force USC, andthen went on to have a great
critter in Carolina. And, youknow, same way just wasn't big
enough. But he continued to eatand do that kind of thing. And

(29:59):
he, you know. He was able toplay, extend his career, get
paid millions of dollars, wherehe never has to work again. So

Chuck Shute (30:05):
is there a diet that you think works best for
football players like to besuccessful? Yeah, I think

Chris Carlisle (30:11):
it's really what your body type is. I don't think
there's a one, you know,template of, if you eat all
this, you're going to be right.
You guys see how your body usescarbohydrates, how it uses
protein, how it uses all thestuff. I think supplementation
is huge, because we don't getenough into our diets. And so if
we supplement, we get thevitamins that we have that we're
lacking. When we got to thecoaching staff, got to Seattle.

(30:33):
Now, we just came out of out ofsunny Southern California in six
months. We did our teamphysicals, and every one of the
coaches that came fromCalifornia, our vitamin D
levels, we had to get onprescription vitamin D, because
our vitamin D is because weweren't in the sun, dumped all
the way down. And that's just,you know, the vitamin D is a
situation. As people get older,they get into their hormone

(30:55):
replacement therapy because yourtestosterone levels drop. And if
you're missing that key there,then all the other chemicals,
hormones and everything in yourbody are now off balance, and so
they're able to bring them intobalance. And so there's a lot of
things that that can allow youto continue your movement
forward. There's a great post.

(31:18):
It was a social media post. Itwas a study that they've done
that, the stronger you arephysically, legs and upper body.
As long as you keep yourstrength up, it'll, it'll, it'll
elongate your life. And so goingin, you don't have to squat 600
pounds, but it's that physicalability to be able to stand up,

(31:39):
sit down, and Move, Move Move orDie, that if we do this, then we
live a better quality of life.
My wife and I think about myparents when they were 62 and
her and her mom went, theyweren't doing what we were
doing, and they were they becameolder. Now I go in the gym and
you know, it's, it's one ofthose things that I'm always

(32:00):
competing with myself to seewhat I can do. Because it's just
that mindset of myself that I'malways competing with myself to
make sure I'm better today thanI was yesterday.

Chuck Shute (32:13):
Yeah, do you think that going on kind of an
opposite spectrum? Like, youknow, besides people that are
obviously you're working with,professional athletes and
collegiate athletes andcollegiate athletes who are at
the top of their game, and thenon the other side of the
spectrum, and we have such aterrible homeless issue in
America right now, and peopleare just struggling. Do you
think that, and a lot of that, Ithink, is due to substance

(32:34):
abuse? Do you think that thesubstance abuse, it kind of
kills that drive, because wetook that out and we took the
drugs away from these people.
There's some sort of driveinside of them that should be
urging them to move, like it'sour natural instinct, like you
talk about in the book. I mean,from beginning of our
civilizations, like we've alwaysbeen, have this instinct to
move, and that may be a biggerproblem, and just in the

(32:56):
country, or maybe in the worldin general, is that people are
not tapping into those gifts orusing the crayons, like you say,
with the metaphor.

Chris Carlisle (33:04):
Yeah, it's one of those things that it doesn't
matter if, and I'm not talkingmovement as in physical
movement, geographical movement.
It's a spiritual movement, it'sa knowledge movement, it's a
relationship movement, that ifwe cannot, if we're not,
continue moving things forwardin our life, then we get stuck,
and what happens? And I can'tspeak to addiction, because I'm

(33:28):
not an addiction specialist, butI understand what you're saying,
that if, if, if they took asmuch time being with their
addiction to this, to anaddiction to physical fitness or
knowledge, they would be thesmartest people in the world.
Well, I don't know if it worksthat way, but the thing

Chuck Shute (33:46):
they would achieve their potential. Again, they're
not everyone's given four aces,but they could do with the best,
with the hand that they're givenright, right in for some people,
that might be, you know, being atruck driver. There's nothing
wrong with that, there's no Ithink that's

Chris Carlisle (34:01):
great in a bricklayer, the blood
transportation system of ourworld, you know, why not be the
best truck driver? Yeah, andthen be so good that you people
are using you so much becauseyou're so good that you now get
two trucks and three trucks andfive trucks, and you get people
around you surround yourselfwith the best truck drivers in

(34:23):
the world, or in the in thecountry, because you do it
better than everybody else, andthen all of a sudden you have
the best trucking firm in theworld. Yeah.

Chuck Shute (34:31):
I mean, it's like, yeah, I think I don't if you
talked about this in your bookor another interview I heard you
talking about, but just, youknow, not everyone can be a
professional athlete, but youcan still be involved in the
game. And I had a perfectexample this past weekend. I was
at a concert, and my friendplays in the band, and it's
cool, you know, we're back sidestage. I'm like, This is so
cool. And there's someone nextto us. And there it was. Her son

(34:54):
is the lighting direct guy,whatever they're called,
lighting director, lightingperson, or ever so. And, you
know, she he's getting to liveout his dream and do the run,
the lights and everything. Andshe's, you know, she gets to see
the show side stage. And youknow, it's like there's, you
could still be a part ofsomething big, even if you can't
be the star of the show orwhatever. No

Chris Carlisle (35:13):
doubt I was gonna, you know, I told my buddy
Nate Lau when I was eight yearsold, I was gonna win a Super
Bowl, all right? And then when Ifinished my college career, I
knew it wouldn't be in the NFL,but I knew I could still win the
Super Bowl in a coachingcapacity. And then I got into
football, became a head footballcoach, and worked through the
coaching system and figured outreal quick when my record was 33

(35:36):
wins 77 losses in one tie, Iwasn't a very good football
coach, but what I did understandwere the fundamentals of the
game, what it took to be part ofthat game. So my my my focus
pivoted towards being a strengthconditioning coach in which I
could affect what I understood.
I understood who I was, and Iwas able to do that the highest

(35:57):
levels and winning championshipsat the high school level, the
junior college level, thecollege level, than the Super
Bowl, because I found mypurpose, what I was meant to do,
and it wasn't. And here's agreat thing, Chuck, it wasn't
winning championships. See, Ithought it was. I thought that's
the end game, that's if I winchampionships, and when I win

(36:18):
that Super Bowl, it's going tobe all of a sudden, I'm going to
be in the top of my my my world.
But it doesn't work that way,because when we won the Super
Bowl, I was sitting on theplane, on the tarmac in New
Jersey, and I was working on theoff season program that wasn't
going to be run until April, andI'd already done it my staff,

(36:41):
Andre G and Jamie anchar, we'vedone it all through the season.
And I was I was dotting the T'sand crossing the eyes. That's
how much I was into this. And Isat back, I looked around, and
people were still celebratingthat they were passed out. Now,
we just won the Super Bowl 40years. It took me to get to this
goal, 40 years the last personhad done that chase their

(37:01):
passion for 40 years was Moses.
Done, done. Okay, so, all right,that Moses Malone, but the Moses
and so I looked around, Ithought, What am I doing here?
What's if the winning the gamethat I had been dreaming about,
which was the top of my shelf.
If that wasn't good enough, thenwhy am I here? And then I

(37:24):
finally figured out, it took acouple years I had to go really
deep inside. And I finallyfigured out it wasn't winning
the championships, it was theprocess of helping other people
being as successful as theycould be so they could
accomplish their dreams. See,success is about what you do to
accomplish your dream.
Significance happens when youhelp others use their crayons to

(37:46):
accomplish their dreams andtheir purpose. And so I thought,
I get it. I get it. So my careerended out when I timed out with
the NFL that it was like, I'mdone. I'm a dinosaur, which is
great because I was a dinosauras a T Rex during the drastic
period of the NFL. All right, Iwas the biggest, meanest,

(38:08):
baddest strength coach in thenation, because I had won all
these championships, 16championships I had won by the
time I got out from a guy whostarted 3377 and one, and I
climbed all the way to the top,and then I finally figured out
football was just a vehicle. Itwas a vehicle for me to become
who I was supposed to be mypurpose. So when I got out of

(38:30):
football, I knew, hey, now Ihave an audience. I'm not stuck
to 100 people. I can now speakto 1000s around the country,
around the world, so they can goahead and help them understand
that you are on the right path,but you have to get rid of that
Deuce and focus on those greatthings you do. You have to use
all your crayons every day, andthe biggest thing is surround
yourself with great people. Seepeople in life, there's two

(38:53):
kinds of anchors. The anchorshave stopped you from crashing
into the rocks, and the anchorsto stop you from being who
you're supposed to be. And youhave to decipher who these
people are in my life that arestopping me, that don't believe
in me, that don't think I am allthat I am, and they and they
don't let me get out there andfailing that's okay. And I think
that's what happened. We talkedabout what's happened in society

(39:16):
today. That's what's happeningtoday.

Chuck Shute (39:20):
Well, how did you fail? How did you know when it
was time to give up trying to bea head coach and do the strength
and conditioning part? Like, isthere some sort of cute because
it's not like you really gaveup. You just kind of shifted.
And, I mean, do you feel likethat might be something that
some people struggle? I know forme, I feel like I struggle with

(39:41):
that because I'm like, okay,like, maybe I can't have my own
podcast. Maybe I should joinsomeone else's and be part of a
team or something. You know, Idon't know. Like, how do you
know when it's time to quit onsomething or shift?

Chris Carlisle (39:52):
Chuck, I was 3377 and one in 11 years. If you
hired me, I could assure youthree wins every year.

Chuck Shute (39:59):
But how? Many years that you've done that for? So
1111, years. So that's a longtime.

Chris Carlisle (40:05):
I ran that string out. I figured out I'm
not good, and I kept provingmyself, because that's that
inflexibility when you'reinflicted, you keep doing the
same thing. I think it's calledinsanity. Keep doing the same
thing year after year afteryear, expecting different
results. Then there's a problem.
Okay? Then I honed in what, whatis my passion? What do I love to
do? I love the off season. Ilove working with the players

(40:27):
the season I didn't love, youknow, the games they tore me up.
I I'm a terrible loser that if Ilost it just, I just for a week,
I couldn't and thank God that Iwasn't around teams that lost a
lot, that we were able to besuccessful. We didn't have long
losing streaks, one game, twogames, maybe, but, but I was

(40:47):
able to go ahead and go on thosebig runs and be be happy where I
was at. But, you know, it justbecame one of those things that
every day I get to get up and Iget to do my work that I do
right now. I'm busy every day,and I love every minute of it,
because it keeps me movingforward in my life, doing what

(41:07):
I'm supposed to do. Chuck you'redoing what you're supposed to do
right now. All right, keeppowering that path and find out.
How can I make it better? Howcan I do this better than
everybody else? So I'm going togo ahead and I'm going to watch
all those other podcasts. I'mgonna watch Rogan I'm gonna
watch all these people andfigure out what is their key.
Well, here's the key. They'reconsistent and they're genuine.

(41:28):
All right, when you get thosethings, when you understand that
watch all these people that theyare who they are, they don't
have to be somebody. They get tobe who they are, then all of a
sudden you're going to find out,hey, I'm just a step away. And
it only takes one, it only takesone person that goes ahead and
flashes you out there, and allsudden, you know, all of a

(41:49):
sudden, you're the guy thatpeople want to be part of, that
want to be part of your program.
You're doing everything great.
You get everything set up. Youunderstand this, you you've got
good questions. You You've donegreat research, you know,
reading my book andunderstanding that part. A lot
of times I get on podcast and Igo, so did you write a book?
Tell us about you know, it'slike, well, you know, I can do

(42:10):
that. I was set for thatquestion, but you ran it right
into this and, and it's been agreat conversation about and
we've talked about football. Butthe thing is, to me, sports is a
metaphor for life. If

Chuck Shute (42:22):
we look at totally, I love it so much football or

Chris Carlisle (42:26):
I don't care what sport it is, when you're
competing, when you have teamwork around you, when you're
competitive, when you want to bebetter than everybody else,
you're willing to put the timeand the fundamentals in, you
have a chance to become whoever,whatever you want to become.
Yeah,

Chuck Shute (42:42):
well, amuse everybody. Think you mentioned
Eddie Van Halen in your book.
And, I mean, I've interviewedsome people that have, you know,
opened for him, or, you know,worked with, or whatever. And
like, from what I hear about himis that he just always had a
guitar in his hand, like he justloved playing guitar, and he
just lived it. It sounds likethat's kind of the same with
some of these athletes youworked with. It's just, they
just live it. It's this or 100100% of the time their life,

(43:02):
then finding

Chris Carlisle (43:04):
how to do it different. Because you can be
the same guy and sound likeeverybody else, and they're
gonna say, Well, okay, that'sthat's cross that path, Robert,
Boston is a road less traveledat the end, says two rows
diverged into the wood, and Ichose the one less traveled, and
that has made all thedifference. So instead of just
following the pack and beinglike the 99.9 be that 1% go

(43:27):
ahead and try. And I talk aboutthis in my book about thinking
outside of the box. I know it'stechnically shayish, but it
really matters. What you have todo is, is recognize, as you're
in your profession. Recognize,once you get into the into the
knee, deep into it, you finallyokay. I'm now, I understand

(43:49):
this, cut, this whole thing, notyour first year might be your
fifth. Might be your 11th yearbefore you finally okay. I get
it. And then you startdeveloping your own you
recognize it. You research it.
Now, in my situation, strengthconditioning. Now, I was brought
up under Barry Alvarez, who wenton to become the Head, head
football coach at Wisconsin, andI thought he was my high school

(44:11):
coach. And so we he brought theHusker power training, because
he was with the universeNebraska to Mason City, Iowa.
And so I was introduced toweight lifting, how important it
was. And so I went through, wentunder John Stucke at the
University of Arkansas, who'sthe greatest strength coach
ever, and I started looking atstuff, and I started

(44:31):
understanding what the game offootball was about. 11 guys
here, 11 guys here, and when theball moved, they all had one
thing in common, movement. If Icould make my guys move better,
more efficiently, moreexplicitly, more powerful, then
they were better, or we had achance to win. If you look at
our teams from USC, in nineyears, we were really good. We

(44:54):
won the PAC 1070, years in arow, went to a bowl game. Nine.
Years in a row. How many guys doyou think bench 500 pounds
during my time at USC? Now wehad some huge first round draft
choices. All right, the answeris five total teams like
Michigan, Ohio State, then havefive every year. We had five and

(45:16):
nine years because it wasn't afocus of my program, because it
was about buildingrefrigerators. When we played
the Big 10, we played them ninetimes while I was at USC, we
were nine and Oh, all right, I'mtalking about Nebraska, talking
about Ohio State. I'm talkingabout Michigan a few times,

(45:36):
Illinois, Penn State. We beatthem every year in the bowl
games Iowa that because we hadsmaller guys, but they were able
to move. They're more athletic,they're more explosive and more
powerful, and that's myphilosophy. So I thought
differently. Everybody else hadthese record boards up on their
wall about and those are egoboards for the for the strength

(45:59):
coach. Look what I made theseguys do. But how does that play
into a game when right, still,squat with all this weight.

Chuck Shute (46:08):
Yeah, what's, what's the saying? Like, looks
like Tarzan plays like Jane.

Unknown (46:14):
I'm trying to

Chuck Shute (46:16):
remember the one that was, I think the Raiders
took him. I'm spacing on hisname, but the guy was just
ripped. He set up combinerecords, and he never was very
good in

Chris Carlisle (46:26):
man bridge, yeah, yeah, yeah. Marcus Russell
was, was the quarterback thatwas all this and all that huge
and all this. Could throw theball, you know, two football
fields, but he wasn't able to dowhat it took to become a great
football player. They didn'thave the skills. They weren't
able to move from A to B moreefficiently. And so we've never

(46:49):
handled all the biggest guys,but we had athletes that could
move, that could get in front ofeverybody, and you look at Tom
cable again, the best offensiveline coach I've ever been around
in my 35 years of coaching. Hedidn't coach the, you know,
double this, double that, andyou know, hopefully we can run
out. His is all a stretch play.
He was putting two of my guys onone of your guys, and he was

(47:10):
stretching and making you runout of the place or running back
to cut back into it.

Chuck Shute (47:15):
Is that why you guys always move people that
were like defensive ends andmade them

Chris Carlisle (47:21):
easy? Yeah, yeah, please. Was an example of
that. He was a defensive linemanfrom North Carolina State,
became a heck of an offensiveguard. And at you, at Seattle,
yeah.

Chuck Shute (47:30):
What do you now do you still follow, like, the NFL
draft and all these prospects?
Like, what do you think of someof these guys coming out? I
mean, besides, you mentionedscatter bow. But like, you know,
the big one that seems to becontroversial to me is the
Colorado quarterback Sanders.
Some people are thinking hemight be a bust.

Chris Carlisle (47:47):
I don't know. I don't think I, if I, if I'm a
GM, I'm not drafting aquarterback. I can go out and
get a baker Mayfield through myprogram. Remember the the
Baltimore Ravens when they wonthe Super Bowl with all the the
Sarah goose and Ray Lewis andall those guys, remember, okay,

(48:10):
they had Trent Dilfer. He wastold, don't turn the ball over.
Okay, because we can get enoughfield goals. We can win the
game. Not, you know, nine tothree, okay, just don't give
them the ball. Don't give themany extra chances. And they had
Jamal Lewis, who I had theblessing to coach when I was at
Tennessee as a running back. Sothey'd run the ball, they dumped

(48:31):
the ball, they run the ball,they dumped the ball, punt the
ball. Defense would hold them.
We get the ball better. We moveit down, kick a field goal.
Okay? Three. Oh, we got a chanceto win. And so that mentality
can still work. You look whatSeattle did with Gino. Now, Gino
bounce around the league, allover the place. Pete even went
back up and traded to get him,because he understood he's not a

(48:51):
$50 million quarterback. Thinkabout the salary cap, but you
know, one of these big timequarterbacks goes down and look
at the amount of money that youjust took out your team. You
can't replace them, right? Youknow, there's not enough money.
There's not because when youtake that, that 25% of the
salary cap, and you take it outof the works, and all of a

(49:12):
sudden now you have a huge hole.
Because when, okay, so we weresuccessful when Russell was
making $600,000 a year, rightwhen Russell got whatever he got
in his first style, you know, ofhis big first big check, all
right? 25, 3040, Niners doingthat with Purdy right now? Yeah,

(49:33):
you know, they've got to dumpall this stuff. Look at how many
guys we lost. Red, Bryant, welost me, Bain we lost, you know,
a bunch of really good backupplayers. Chris Clemens, we lost
from that, all right, we lostall these good players and
backups. So now you get guysthat are minimum wage, and

(49:53):
there's so many good money, butstill not as solid a backup as
we used to have. You know, weused to be eight deep on the
defensive line. And when Russgot paid, which was the market,
and I'm not throwing rocks atRuss, he just did what the
market was doing. We now didn'thave that quality around him.
Yes,

Chuck Shute (50:10):
it changed, because it seemed like his personality
changed. I mean, he, like Isaid, when he started out, he
was such a quiet, hard working,humble guy. And then he went to
wearing these, like, flashyoutfits and making corny videos,
what happened to him?

Chris Carlisle (50:24):
No idea, as you're gonna have to, you're
gonna have to talk to Russ aboutthat. I have no idea where he
was on that, but

Chuck Shute (50:31):
you saw that. You saw the chat, like when you see
him online now, or an interview,like he's not the same guy, that
when he started right, he'schanged.

Chris Carlisle (50:39):
No, he's Yeah, he's not the Yeah. There's been
a difference. Again, I can'tspeak to that. I just know who I
was dealing with when we came induring that first off season,
and my quarterbacks, that wereguys who were veterans in the
NFL, had the chance to do squatsor do the leg press. The

(51:00):
Veterans went over to the legpress, and the young lion got
into the squat bar and wassquatting. Okay? Ru got under
the squat bar and was squatting.
He understood his leg strengthwas where his arm strength came
from. The other guys weresaying, How can I make this as
easy as I can? Yeah, I hatesquat. It is. It is. It's hard
for a reason, because itdevelops your whole body, and it

(51:22):
develops your core, your hips,your legs, your your your
conditioning, because your wholebody, the whole system, is
working to get that weight andso yeah, it's hard because it
has to be hard. But when you'rewilling to go like that and do
the hard stuff during the duringthe off season, there's not that
much hard on the other sidethere, you've heard,

Chuck Shute (51:46):
it's almost like the, like the David Goggins Navy
SEAL kind of mentality that you

Chris Carlisle (51:53):
he's, he's way off there. You said obsessive.
He's, we can't put many peoplein his because he is. He's a
special individual. So

Chuck Shute (52:02):
yeah, that's on another I'm just so fascinated.
I think I'm so fascinated bysuccess and people that achieve
the highest levels, partlybecause I want to do that for
myself, but also just because Ifeel like I I want to, like,
learn the secret or so like, butI feel like maybe there just
really isn't a secret, it seemslike. And doing all these
interviews and interviewing someof the biggest, most successful
people. It's like, it's like adifferent path for almost all of

(52:24):
them, like some of them did workreally hard. Some of them were
given really amazing gifts, andsome of them, I feel like they
kind of just got lucky. Theywere the right place, right
time, and it worked out forthem.

Chris Carlisle (52:35):
You make your luck, okay? If you continue
doing this, you're going to makeyour luck. You're going to
become the best because you wantto become the best because
you're willing to do what ittakes. You're willing to grind.
And you know what a grinder is?
A grinder is a person whodoesn't think enough is ever
enough that how can I beobsessive about how can I do
more background on this person?

(52:57):
More background. So when I getto that interview, it's sharp,
it's I'm bringing outinformation that my listeners
will sit there in the gym andlisten to this guy talk about
improving themselves and makingthem better. Or am I going to
talk about? And on page 45there's a great quote by Martina
Navratilova, in which she saysthat the difference between

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being committed and being partof is like eggs and ham. The
chicken was part of it. The hamwas committed, okay? Or the pig
was committed, okay? And so, youknow, we could do that in the
book, or we can talk about themarch on being willing to
believe that it takes one personto move the earth, okay? And it

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takes the person that'slistening to this right now. All
it takes is you to decide, notjust today, but tomorrow, the
next day, because it's thatstring together, because you
don't see it, you don't see thatchange right away. It takes
time, and all of a sudden youget perspective. And that's what
pain is. Pain is perspectivetaking root. All right, all that

(54:05):
hardship, all the times you lookin the mirror, Am I doing the
right thing? That kind of painis now you look back the way you
used to do it and the way you'redoing it now. And that's that
perspective that you look backand you go, Okay, I'm doing it
so much better than I used tonow. Where's my next edge. So so
one of my favorite stories isSir Edmund Hillary climbs Mount

(54:30):
Everest and his Sherpa, they getto the top. Now this is a
beekeeper from from New Zealandthat just first one to summit
Everest, and his, his, she looksat him, and he goes, so now

(54:53):
what?

Chuck Shute (54:55):
Yeah, it's kind of what you mentioned.

Chris Carlisle (54:56):
So now what? So now you just climb. Highest
mountain in the world. So nowyou just won the Super Bowl. So
now what? Well,

Chuck Shute (55:05):
what is that? The line that you mentioned the
book, The Springsteen lyric, aking ain't satisfied until he
rules everything.

Chris Carlisle (55:11):
Yeah. Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants
to be king. A king ain'tsatisfied till he rules
everything. Now, what's youreverything you talk about being
a truck driver, maybe being thebest truck driver on the road.
That's your everything great.
Then be that. Be the best, if weall try to be the best, and stop
worrying about everythingeverybody else has, and stop
worrying about that, that deuce,all right, that's in our hand,

(55:35):
and start focusing on what wecan do, and stop listening all
those naysayers who say you'renot good enough. Now sometimes
you'll prove yourself thatyou're not good enough. Yeah,
3371 I wonder if it wasn't goodenough.

Chuck Shute (55:51):
Yeah. I wonder too.
Let's say, if we take example ofthe truck driver, maybe he's not
trying to be the best truckdriver. Maybe he's trying to be
the best father, like he's gothe's doing the truck driver
right here. I saw a thing todaywhere UPS guy can make 200 grand
a year. That's a pretty good wayto provide for your kid. I
wonder if the truck driver is abetter father than say, Tom
Brady. Now, Tom Brady isobviously one of the greatest

(56:12):
quarterbacks, but how good of afather was he if he was spending
all this time on football likeit's an interesting when you
look at the balance of things,sometimes you have

Chris Carlisle (56:21):
to trade one for the other. That's your next
question. Do you have to? Well,yeah, I want to be the greatest
father, so I can't be thegreatest truck driver too. Heck.
No, I can do both.

Chuck Shute (56:32):
Because when I don't think there's a give and
take with some of these things,no, I think

Chris Carlisle (56:37):
it's a mindset you have that from the moment
you try to go to sleep. Andhere's the problem, you know,
when you're in it when you can'tgo to sleep because you're so
excited about the next day, allright? And then when you get out
of bed, you put that right footdown on the ground. You say,
thank you. Put that left foot onthe ground, and you say, you and

(56:58):
then you breathe in, Yahweh,yeah, way. And you come out and
you understand, thank God I havean opportunity that I can make a
difference. I may not have madeit yesterday, alright? I may not
have struck gold, but I dug thatmine a little bit more, and I
dug that mine a little bit morenow, with my son, tell him I
love him all the time. I don'tcare if all his buddies around

(57:20):
I'll tell him, and he'll tell meback, all right, because he
knows everything I have is forhim. Everything he does is to
help him and everybody aroundhim. He's very either he's
really a heck of a kid, and I'mblessed that he follows after
his mom. But the thing is, Icould be a coach and work with

(57:42):
these athletes and then comehome and be the best father. And
it doesn't is not aware. Here'swhat it wears. It wears on you.
But Chuck, we have 86,400seconds a day that we get to
use. Are you using every secondthat you have to make your world

(58:03):
better and to make your family'sworld better, your spiritual
world better, and everythingaround you better. Too many
people sit there in front of theTV and look blankly at the TV.
Now there's not much good on TVthat you can't be multitasking,
listening with one ear andworking on your next idea of

(58:24):
where I can recognize where theproblem is. I can go ahead and
build the the answers to it. Ican test these answers. I can go
ahead and put these answers andmake a change in the world. I
can I can move the earth thatone person can do that because
I'm so committed to that. I'm socommitted to being a great
father. I'm so committed aboutbeing a great speaker that I
don't have enough time to worryabout what I don't have.

Chuck Shute (58:47):
Yeah, well, and I think the multitasking is really
key to you. I heard youmentioned that like, you'd be
like, kind of thinking aboutstrength plans while you're
watching a movie with yourfamily. And like, I know for me,
like I was just listening yourbook on Audible, and I'm walking
so I'm getting my steps in andI'm listening to your book. I
think sometimes combining thingslike that really can make a huge
difference. It's

Chris Carlisle (59:07):
all about understanding how to put
everything in so everybody getstheirs. You know, I'm not
worried about getting mine,okay? What I'm worried about is,
can I help me? Can I live a lifeof significance? Because I've
already got, I've doneeverything I wanted to do okay.
I wanted to win one. Wanted towrite a best seller. When it
wrote a best sell, I want tohelp people, and I want to be

(59:27):
able to touch people, and that'swhy I have such a great
opportunity. I appreciate DDP somuch. That's the talent agency
and evolve. PR that hooked me upwith you. I mean, they helped me
reach out and speak to morepeople every year. And it's such
a blessing to be around thosepeople, Dennis and Diana petty

(59:48):
and and Alexis hunter withevolve, you know. And when
you're around great people, theycan help lift you up. And what I
want to do is, when they put meon that platform. Know, I want
to then lift people up also,because I think that's why they
helped me, help put me there.
Yeah,

Chuck Shute (01:00:05):
no, that's, I agree. I think that's awesome.
And, I mean, that's all gold. Mypodcast is to inspire people,
educate and then sometimesentertain, sometimes it's just
pure entertainment. But, youknow, I'm getting, I'm hoping to
give value back to some peoplethrough this podcast. So I
appreciate you taking the timeto do this. What other plans do
you have? What's that? Whatother plans do you have? Are you

(01:00:27):
writing another book? Are youjust two other

Chris Carlisle (01:00:29):
books now? One book is, is, is a kind of a
combination of all the I think Ihave, like 150 blogs that I've
written, and I'm sure you'llpost the address somewhere, www,
the coach carlyle.com and I havemy blogs there, but take those
and put them into a book, andthen I do a for the people that

(01:00:52):
I'm in touch with. I've got,like 100 people that I I send
out. It's a it's a weeklychampions mindset, and I'm going
to make a picture book of thatof the different things. And the
cool thing about that is thatthe mindset pictures that I use
are all original pictures thatmy son or myself or my wife has
taken while we've beentraveling. And so they're all

(01:01:15):
original pictures. And these arein the mindset, but I also on on
Facebook and Instagram and allthat. I do have my Thursday
thought, which are quotes fromme, then I put out there and
thoughts that I have Wednesdaywisdom. I'm a big guy in quotes.
I think we, we're surroundedwith voices and choices. You
know, the voices that are in ourheads that drive us on? Stephen

(01:01:38):
Crane wrote the Red Badge ofCourage, and he wrote a quick
132, words. It says, I saw a manpursuing the horizon round and
round. They spit. This disturbedme. I accosted the man in his
futile I said, you can never youlie. He cried and ran on. And so

(01:02:00):
what he's saying there is thatwe're chasing our horizon, which
is that that thing that we'rewe're supposed to be, what
we're, our purpose, our dreamsare out there. And no matter if
somebody says, I costed the manit is futile, because he saw
that you couldn't do it becausehe couldn't do it. And the other
guy says, You lie and ran on.
And so that whole idea about notletting people stop you from

(01:02:26):
getting to your dreams. I mean,if we do that, if we all took
that step today and cut off someof those anchors, of the people
that didn't believe in us, you'dbe you're gonna be out, and
you're going to be sailing towhere you want to go, and that's
the cool thing,

Chuck Shute (01:02:43):
yeah. Well, I think, I think a lot of times
those anchors, like, they may becut off, but the voice stays
with them. Or like, how manytimes does a parent's voice or a
ex girlfriend or boyfriend'svoice, or friends, or whatever,
it's like, they still hear theyhave those doubts in the back of
their mind. And to me, I feellike what's worked, at least for

(01:03:03):
me, is just you almost kind of,for about lack of a better term,
you kind of have to brainwashyourself, like you have to
listen to a bunch of positivepodcasts and audio like, you
know, listen to your book orread it, and listen to
interviews and podcasts that aregoing to be uplifting and
empowering. And then you reallystart to believe all that hype,
and you start to believe inyourself, and then you kind of

(01:03:23):
silence those voices, thoseanchors, as you call them,

Chris Carlisle (01:03:26):
Chuck. There's studies that say that we between
50,080 1000 messages go throughour brain every day. Right now,
I'm maybe only 50,000 you know,I don't have the circuitry for
the 80,000 you may be an 80,000guy, and 85% of those are
negative, and 90% of those arerepeated. You're not good

(01:03:47):
enough, you're not you're toofat, you're too fat, you're too
fat, you're too fat, andeventually you brainwash
yourself into doubting who youare in your potential. All
right, like you said, if I goahead and change the narrative
to I'm not going to watch thenews anymore, because all that
is is in fighting and namecalling and negativity and

(01:04:09):
people, oh, the world's going toend if he wins, or if she wins,
or whoever wins, the world'sgoing to end. Well, we're pretty
resilient country. I think we'regoing to figure it out okay. And
so if we continue our process,going through our lives and
believing what we can do, andfollow you and listen to the
positive things and look at thegood I talk to my people about

(01:04:32):
the get TOS now we all have thegot TOS in life, the things
you've got to do, Chuck, you'rea get to today. I get to do
this. Actually, my breakfast wasa get to this morning when I
when I went to bed, I'm markingall these get twos down in my
life. All right? I get to seethe chiropractor. I get to see I
get to speak with Chuck today.
All of a sudden, those got twos.

(01:04:53):
The things you've got to do,I've got to go the dentist,
okay, but if you stack enough,get twos around those. Got tos.
All of a sudden those get twosare leveled out because you
can't wait to get there so youcan get past it, because you
have all this good stuff. If youjust line up all your got twos
in life, then life is nothingbut a bitch in front of you is

(01:05:14):
nothing but uphill and snow andgravel and hard work, all right,
but if I go ahead and spread myget twos around all the good
twos, if you really like I saidmy breakfast was a good two
today. That's how small I takeit. I get to tomorrow. I get to
have my breakfast. I get to workout. Wednesdays my off day. So I
do all my work on these days.
And so when I go back in onThursday, I can't wait, because

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I get to challenge myself in theweight room. And when I go in,
people say, oh, you know, you'rean angry T Rex, you bet. Because
I'm competing with myself. I'mcompeting with the negativity
that says, ah, you know, there'sgot to be something better to
do. There's something got to beeasy. Yes, there is. But when I
walk out of here, I know myendorphins are kicking and I
can't wait to come back becauseI feel so good about the work

(01:05:59):
that I did. How

Chuck Shute (01:06:01):
do you fire yourself up? And how did you
fire up these guys like Lynchand Sherman when they're when
they run the bench press, like,Is there something you say, or
do you know because you said youcouldn't, you couldn't yell
anymore because of the surgerythat you had? So was, how did
you motivate people to to pushthemselves more in the gym?

Chris Carlisle (01:06:20):
I I, you know, and the story I had, this is all
titanium. And after the surgery,the doctor said, If you yell,
intracranial pressure will killyou. Well, that was during that
first year, and I had to learnhow to speak and coach at this
level. And then I foundsomething really hard. Was that
when I was speaking to the teamfor the first time after the

(01:06:42):
accident, the players actuallyleaned in because they wanted to
listen. And so we were going tocircle back around this two
things. I was genuine about mymessage, and I was consistent.
And what I was consistent aboutwas, if you do this, this is
going to happen, and when theydid this, that was going to
happen. I didn't lie to them. Ididn't, you know, blow blow

(01:07:05):
confetti up there they'reeating. I told them what was
going to happen, because I knewit was going to happen. And then
all of a sudden they beganseeing it. And then we get
trust. And in order to gettrust, you have a heads of
consistency. So when I gave theconsistent message, when I was
genuine, that I really caredabout it, and they found out

(01:07:26):
that I didn't care about thembecause they're number 24 All
right, or number 25 or number 31or number 64 I cared about them
because it was Marshawn, it wasit was cam, it was Jr, it was
Richard. And when they knew thatI cared about them, about what

(01:07:49):
they were doing, I could askthem to do anything, and they
would do it because they said,Hey, Coach, C's here for me.
He's on my side. So if you wantto be the best and you want
people to follow you, beconsistent, care about them and
be genuine. Way you go throughit, and you're gonna have
success. We talked about thefirst thing Bill Belichick is

(01:08:11):
Bill Belichick, because he isgenuine and he's consistent. Be
careful. Be Carol. Okay, so allthese people who are successful,
people are them who every day,the week, seven days a week, and
you can't hide that. So how do Ifire myself up? I can't wait to
be able to help somebody else.
That's my mission in life.
That's my purpose in life.
Wasn't a win championship. Oneof them didn't change my world.

(01:08:33):
Didn't move my needle. But whenI come in, able to speak with
people like you and yourlisteners, this stuff fires me
up. Chuck, this is what I getexcited about. This is my
passion. This is where I get toreally reach out, because I'm
speaking to not just 100 peoplein a football meeting, but 1000s
of people that come and listento you again. Thank you so much
for allowing me the opportunityto come in and speak with you

(01:08:57):
and talk with you. This has beena great experience. I appreciate
it.

Chuck Shute (01:09:01):
Thank you so much for doing this. People can
follow you on Twitter andInstagram and or X, I guess it's
called now, and I'll put thelink to your website in the show
notes. They can get the book.
And I, like I said, I listen toan audible. Makes it easier for
me, but they can also get thephysical copy as well. And yeah,
thank you so much for doingthis. I really appreciate

Chris Carlisle (01:09:20):
it. Thanks for having me. I love the audible
side too. The guy who read thebook did a much better job than
I do when I read the book tomyself. Definitely.

Chuck Shute (01:09:33):
Yeah. Very cool.
Appreciate thank you so much.
All right, okay, bye.

Unknown (01:09:40):
Bye. Kind, from the rockets to the wise men, so that
folks will be learning again.
You.