Hypnotherapist Tim Shurr Explains How to Break Through Mental Obstacles

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THEME SONG (00:04):
Vanity down with the heavy stars rock and rolling
through the cool guitars shopsgot the questions digging so
sharp, feeling back layershitting the heart.

Chuck Shute (00:17):
Well, welcome to the show. This is exciting. I,
you know, I didn't realize youhad done, you've done 15,000
individual coaching sessions. Isthat, right?

Tim Shurr (00:29):
It's closer to 16 now, in fact, it's probably over
16. Yeah, I've been, I've beenin practice for 30 years, and
so, yeah, 1000s of sessions,hundreds of groups. I've been
obsessed with, uh, freeingpeople from whatever holds them
back.

Yeah, what is it just that I know you the
backstory as to, um, kind of whyyou got into the hypnosis. But,
um, is that why you want to helpother people? Because you just
didn't want them to suffer likeyou did.

Tim Shurr (00:59):
Um, basically, yeah, okay, yeah. And fun watching
people to experience joy, youknow, to have watch people have
breakthroughs that they feltwere impossible, or people who
gave up because they just didn'tthink that they were just trying
to come to terms with this ishow my life is going to be, and

(01:19):
they weren't expecting that thenext chapter was going to be so
awesome. And so I love watchingpeople go from breakdowns to
breakthroughs like that.

Yeah, no, I love to hear that the motivation.
Because I think that's somethingthat I you know, I follow a lot
of these self help stuff. I reada lot of the books, I listen a
lot of the podcasts, and onething they always talk about is,
like, figure out your why,you're why like. So that's what
I always like to ask people,like, Why? Why this like I get,
like, your backstory, why youwould want to figure it out for

(01:48):
yourself. But I think that'swhat's interesting to me, is
when I look at successfulpeople, a lot of times they will
figure things out for themselvesand then, but they don't want to
share that secret with otherpeople. They're just like, All
right, well, I got my money, Imade my millions and, all right,
I'm just going to keep, youknow, living my life. But other
people are like, Oh, I mademillions of dollars. I want to
help other people do that too.
Because this is, like, great.

(02:10):
This is a great thing,

Tim Shurr (02:11):
yeah, well, on the other hand, too, a lot of people
that are advertising as coaches,they've been successful, but
they haven't been able to helpothers really be successful. So
they're always showing their owncase studies. That's why, you
know, I talk about my backgroundso people can connect with me.
But my, a lot of my sites arejust case story, case study
after study, story after story.
Of you know, look at what ispossible for you. You know, this

(02:36):
isn't just what I was able toaccomplish. Anybody can learn
how to upgrade their unconsciousbeliefs and shift from this deep
fear that I'm not good enoughinto a feeling of self love, and
then we can love ourselves more,which gives us the capacity to
love others more. And that'swhat the Bible says, love
yourself, love your enemies, youknow, and love others and and so
I think that's what we'remissing in this world of of an

(02:59):
this age of anxiety that we'rein,

right? I think that's what I've noticed for me.
I mean, I feel like I've Ihaven't, like, got to the top of
the mountain, in my opinion,like, but I think I've gotten
close, and there's been glimpsesand when my life is going really
well and like things areclicking and I'm feeling good,
like, it makes me want to spreadthat out to other people. Like,
want to, like, share the love,share the wealth, like, help

(03:25):
other people out. Like, forexample, like, with my podcast,
if my podcast is doing well andI'm kicking butt, like, there's,
I know a lot of otherpodcasters, and let's say, like,
I had a really good guest on, Iwill reach out and say, Hey, you
should have this guy on. Like,this will get you a lot of
views. Or, this is a reallyinteresting guest, or this,
you'll have a really good have areally good conversation. Or,
you know, your audience willreally like this, and people are

(03:47):
like, it's weird, because peoplewill be so, like, taken aback at
that. They're like, what like,you're trying to help me? Like,
what are you doing? I'm like,like, I want us all to be happy
and successful. Like, isn't thatwhat everybody wants? It's like,
it's like, a strange phenomena.
Maybe it's like it's strange toAmericans. Maybe in other
countries, it's not, I don'tknow.

Tim Shurr (04:06):
Well, not all Americans. It's just some,
right, some. And, you know, TonyRobbins said the secret to
living is giving. Top though,said that the goal of life is to
figure out what your gifts are,and the purpose of life is to
give them away, yeah, justexpands your joy

Exactly. Yeah. And when I started this podcast, I I
had each guest that would comeon promote a charity, and I did
that for, like, I don't know,two or 300 maybe 400 episodes.
And I finally just did away withit, because I think there were
so many people that it just theydidn't get it, you know, and
then also, I think, I don'tthink it was making a
difference. I don't think peoplewere donating, although i i

(04:46):
tried to donate as to as many asI could, and I learned of some
really interesting, coolcharities. And my other thing
with that was, I thought, Idon't know if I trust some of
these big organizations. I thinkthey're keeping a lot of this
money, but I still want to havethat sort of message. Trying to
help other people. I just think,what should be more like? We
should do it ourselves and not,you know, giving money to
organizations and trusting themto do it.

Tim Shurr (05:08):
That's a really good observation there, and really
amazing that you did that. Imean, really respectable and and
we can't control the outcomes,but we can control what we do.
And so the fact that you wereputting that out there, this the
fact that you were opening thatspace, you know, forgiving is a
beautiful thing. I sent out apost on Facebook to my

(05:32):
community, and I'm like, Hey, Ijust wrote this 30 day prayer
guide for business owners, andI'm wondering if I should just
give it away and or if I shouldcharge $10 and then all the
money that comes in, I give tocharity, right? And when I say I
give to charity, I go tocharity. I go right out to the

(05:52):
next homeless person I see onthe corner, and I hand them the
10 bucks. So it goes right tothe person that I know it's
going to make a difference forthem today, instead of cutting a
check, and and I was surprised,everybody said, charge the $10
because I said, What if I giveit to you, and then you are
responsible for taking 10 bucksand going and paying somebody

(06:13):
else? And the response was, I'drather give you the $10 and I'm
like, That's so strange, isn'tit? Right? It's so strange that,
but it kind of validates whatyou're talking about. And, and,
and so I'm like, I'll charge $10and then I'll give it away. But
I'm like, I get double the joy,right? Because I get to make a
sale and then I get to also takethat sale and I get to give it

(06:35):
to somebody. And that's like awin win for me. I'm trying to
get other people to experiencethat joy of giving, but people
are really you know, we got alot of issues when it comes to
our money.

Unknown (06:48):
What do you mean by that? Well,

Tim Shurr (06:50):
we have so many limiting beliefs, subconscious
beliefs, about money, thatthere's not enough, that you're
not worthy of it, that you can'tget it, that if you do get it,
it's going to taint yourservices, it's going to somehow
make things worse that to getit, you have to give up
something. So you're going tolose your friends, you're going
to lose your family. Peoplearen't going to be around you
anymore. When I first startedworking with companies, I had a

(07:13):
group of people that were like,oh, Tim went corporate now,
like, it was a bad thing, youknow? And I had a father in law
gave me a watch, a gold watch.
It was really nice. And, and Idon't really wear jewelry, but I
was wearing that around, and Ihad family members go, I guess
you're you're special now, huh?
You're hot shot, your Big Shotnow. And, you know? And it was

(07:33):
like, instead of people beinginspired by what's possible,
they they tend to shove us backdown because it makes them feel
small and insecure and and sothe biggest stressor we have is
money. Not having enough, I'mgoing to run out of it. I don't
know how to get it and, andbecause of those issues, when
you try to get someone to thinkthat tithing or giving is going

(07:55):
to actually make you moreabundant, people just don't
trust that. They just don'tbelieve it. They're they're just
too afraid to let go. But youknow, if you're, if you're
gripped around that money, thenyour hand is squeezed into a
fist, and you can't get any moreflowing in, right? You have to
open your hand and let it flowin and and then that means

(08:16):
letting it go as well. Andthat's why they say givers gain.
And the ones that hoard moneyare the ones that you know end
up either losing it or they'rejust really miserable people.

Yeah. I mean, it does seem like there is this
mentality. I mean, you'reexperiencing it firsthand, but
it's like this anti rich, anti Imean, especially, it's directed,
I mean, I see it a lot, youknow, directed towards
billionaires, these evilbillionaires, but even people
with moderate success, like yousaid, a nice watch, people have
some disdain for that. It isinteresting. It because if

(08:51):
that's not your thing money, youdon't want to have a lot of
money. You don't want showythings or nice things, or nice
cars, whatever. I think that'sokay. But why do you fault other
people who, you know, like, Ilike, there's a guy that I
follow, Andy frizzella, and, youknow, he's really into business
and and helping people and allthat, and, but he really likes
nice cars. And it's not likehe's trying to have the car to

(09:13):
show off. He just really lovescars. And if that's your thing,
why can't and you really want towork hard, and you do it, and
you're doing it legally. I don'tsee why that is necessarily a
bad thing.

Tim Shurr (09:23):
It's not a bad thing.
It's just a thing. And but ourbeliefs cause us to often be
envious, right? And jealousy,because it

makes Yeah, all kind of jealous, though, a
little bit to some degree,

Tim Shurr (09:38):
yes, yeah. I mean, we're all we all have those
those sins, those limitingbeliefs that you know comparison
is the root to suffering, right?
So if we're constantly comparingourselves to somebody else who
has more, but then you can lookat what you have and compare
that to so many people thatwould love to have what you
have, right? But we're notreally looking at that. That,

(09:58):
you know, we're looking at,yeah, but I don't have this, or
I don't have that, or I haven'taccomplished this, and I don't
look this way and and it'salways making us feel less than
so the people that see otherssucceeding, and they're happy
for them, are often verysuccessful and happy themselves.
And the people that are that areridiculing that success will
never have it because they'reassociating pain to that. So

(10:21):
their brain is going tonaturally reject it at an
unconscious level.

Yeah. I mean, I think for myself, sometimes I
look at and I think this is whatfor a lot of people, for what
jealousy really is, is that it'sreflecting back to them things
that they don't have. So ifsomeone else is rich and
successful, then they itreflects back to them that, oh,
I'm not rich or successful, or,you know, if they're commenting

(10:49):
on people's bodies, it's, it'sthe insecurity of their own
body. And I catch myself doingthis sometimes, you know, with
myself, I'm like, Okay, wait,why am I? Why am I feeling that?
Or why am I having thosethoughts, oh, you know what it's
like. I think it's, it's becauseof my own failures that, you
know things, I need to step myown game up, and then that
hopefully will motivate me tomake a change within myself.

(11:10):
Because, I mean, I can't changewhat other people do. I can only
change myself, right?

Tim Shurr (11:15):
Well, Chuck, that's a wonderful spin that you had
there. That's a power question,right? So if you're, if you're
like, Hey, how can I use this asmotivation to improve my life?
Now you're using it to inspireyou, and that's going to lift
you up, and then having othershave that around you will allow
you to lift up to that level. Orif you're walking around judging
and pushing people down, you'rejust going to go down with them,

(11:38):
right? So it's all about themeaning that you give to these
situations and and you can askyourself, you know, why would I
What would I have to believe tofeel this way? I have to believe
that I'm less than I have tobelieve that I'm a failure. No,
you're not. The best definitionof success I ever heard came
from Earl Nightingale, and BobProctor was the one who told me
it, and he said that basicallyto have a goal and go after it

(12:02):
every day makes you a success,not even if you attain it, but
to have a worthy goal and to goafter it every day makes you a
successful human being. And soif we see somebody that has
something that we want, andwe're like, you know what? I'd
like to have a nice car likethat, all right, well, let's
turn it into a goal, not just adream, but a goal with action
steps, and start with the end inmind, reverse engineer what it

(12:24):
needs to and then as you goafter that car, it's not just
getting the car, it's who youbecome in order to have a car
like that. And that's ultimatelythe best purpose for goals is
for who you end up becoming inthe process of achieving them,
right?

Yeah, I just had this, I don't know what you
would call she's kind of like, aholistic, healthy she, I call
her an influencer. She doesn'tlike that term, but, you know,
she does some, like, Instagramstuff and, but she's a health
coach, and she was saying, youknow, like, because I told her,
I said, you know, I'm not, I tryto be healthy, but I'm not like,
you guys, you health coaches whoare like, you never have a cheat
meal. And you're just, you'realways, like, on, you know,

(13:02):
always eating healthy. And shesaid, well, for her, it became
her identity to be a healthyperson. So it's like, she looks
at junk food and she just, it'slike, grosses her out, and that,
you know, she looks at healthyfood and that's what she wants.
She's not, like, deprivingherself of something that she
wants. She actually just wantshealthy food. And I think you
kind of talked about that toowith with the one of your

(13:24):
clients, I think, was it Karen,or somebody that had to lose
weight, that that she would kindof look at the food differently,
and like you, she framed it as,like, having, like an Hawaiian,
like tropical meal, and likefresh vegetables or whatever.

Tim Shurr (13:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? She turned it around. So
she used to talk about her friedchicken and her Southern
cooking, right? And her biscuitsand her mashed potatoes. And she
would do that at my hypnosisweight loss classes that I used
to run 20 years ago and makingeverybody hungry. And I'm like,
Jenny, describe healthy food,you know. And she's like, What?
Like salad and carrots likerabbit food, you know? And she

(14:03):
was, she was describing thehealthy food that would get her
to her goal is boring and yucky,and she was describing the food
that was keeping her stuck asbeing delicious and wonderful
and and so your brain is alwaystrying to create pleasure and
avoid pain. And if you'reassociating pain to the
activities that are going tohelp you succeed, then guess
what? You're not going tosucceed. So we reverse that. I

(14:25):
just challenged her and the restof the group to start describing
the healthy food as though itwas wonderful, and then the food
that wasn't healthy describe itas being boring and yucky. Kind
of switched the strategy. Shecame back a couple weeks later.
She she's all smiles. I'm like,Why are you smiling? She says,
I'm down seven pounds. I'm like,Wow, how'd you do that? She
says, Well, let me tell youabout my my little vacation

(14:47):
meals, right? I get my my woodenbowl, and I get my greens, and I
get my treats and, and I'm like,What are your treats? And she
says, you know, from the garden,like my red peppers, my tomatoes
and, and then she said, I get aglass of water, I put a slice
of. A sunshine on there. I'mlike, boy. She's like, slice of
lemon, but it feels likesunshine, honey. Ooh, I feel
like I'm on vacation. And I'mlike, What about the fried

(15:07):
chicken? And she says, ooh, thatmakes me feel greasy. I haven't
had that in the last two weeks.
And so she had flipped thescript. She associated pleasure
to the foods that are going togive her more pleasure. Now what
you were describing is what Icall addition and subtraction.
So when we look at people whoare really healthy, we're like,
man, you really had to takeaway. Look how you're being
deprived, right? So you don'tget the cookies, you don't get

(15:30):
the pizza, you don't get allthat stuff. And your health
coach was saying, it's not thatI don't get it. I don't want it
because it makes me tired,right? It makes me feel
sluggish, it makes me feelunmotivated, and then I'm not
getting my stuff done, and thenI don't feel the joy of momentum
and progress. So she doesn'tfeel like it's a subtraction.
But that's what most people aredoing in their mind. What do I

(15:51):
have to lose to get this? What'sgoing to be taken away from me
to have that? And so ourapproach is all about addition.
What kind of value are you goingto gain from this? What kind of
energy, what kind of success,what kind of joy, what kind of
connection, what kind of newpleasure are you going to
experience when you're playingto win instead of playing not to
lose?

Yeah, no, that's perfect. And I noticed one thing
too, like, I mean, I've startedeating a lot healthier over the
last couple of decades, really,I mean progressively getting
healthier and healthier. Butanother thing that I've changed
a lot since my 20s is is alcoholand drinking. I just, I don't
find it. I used to love goingout on the weekends, having a
few beers, a couple glasses ofwine or whatever. I just feel

(16:36):
like the older I get, the lessthat that is fun. And I think
that there's some people thatstill have that mentality that,
if you don't, you know, beingsober is boring and it's it's
lame and all this kind of thing.
But I actually, like, prefer it,like I have more fun when I'm
not all I feel like alcoholmakes me drowsy now it makes me
tired. Makes me kind of, youknow, feeling sick the next day

(16:59):
and hung over and, I mean, evenjust a couple drinks. And so I
feel like that's a thing thatpeople need to do if they have
alcohol or drug issues, is isreframe those things. Because I
think there's this mindset that,especially I interview a lot of
rock musicians, and you hearthis story repeatedly, how they
get sober, and I think it's thatlifestyle that they feel like

(17:19):
they need drugs and alcohol tobe for it to be fun. It's part
of the party. And if you theparty ends and there's no fun
and But yeah, if you talk to alot of them, the older ones,
they they feel much happier nowthat they're sober.

Tim Shurr (17:35):
Yeah, you're exactly right. That's an excellent
example of it. It's more fun,plus you've identified, or
you're upgraded the identity. Ifreed so many people from
alcoholism, from smoking, fromdrugs, from, you know,
everything there is and and sowe reverse the pain and the
pleasure, like what we've beentalking about. We also upgrade
the identity, right? Because alot of times people use because

(17:58):
they're trying to have thatliquid courage, they're trying
to feel more confident. They'retrying to be more outgoing,
they're trying to overcome theirstage fright. They feel like
they're more social, likethey're going to lose their
friends if they're not partyingwith their friends and and so
they got all these limitingunconscious beliefs. Or maybe
they're just trying to numb itout, or using it as a
distraction from the traumasthat they've been through

(18:18):
growing up. Or they don't feelworthy, you know, or good and
good enough just beingthemselves. They think they need
something else to, you know,take them to that next level.
And as they get older, theyrealize I don't have to prove
myself anymore. I don't have tochase approval. I got a better
friend group now. You know, Ihave people who love me for me,
I love myself now, and I'm notgoing to do that to myself

(18:41):
anymore, and you're right. So itupgrades their identity. And
when you upgrade, you know,vegetarians don't feel like
they're missing out onhamburgers. You know, they just
don't. They don't want them.
That's not who they are anymore.

Yeah, no. And I think there's one quote that I
just I it comes up in my daylately, last few weeks or
months, like it comes up, I feellike it comes up several times.
The truth shall set you free.
You know, everyone's probablyheard that quote. I didn't
realize I had to Google. I waslike, what is that actually
from? Because you heard moviesand stuff. It's like, no, that's
from the Bible. But it is sotrue. Because I think that is,

(19:15):
and this is a great example,too, with alcohol and stuff. I
think sometimes people usealcohol to mask them. And I
think that they're right.
They're saying, well, I won'thave fun, you know, going out to
the clubs and stuff. And it'slike, yeah, you're right,
because you probably don't likegoing to clubs, you know. So why
are you doing it with alcohol?
Like, being sober is the truth?

(19:37):
Like, that's reality. You'remasking reality with drugs or
alcohol. It's like, you probablydon't like those activities that
you're doing with drugs andalcohol. So then what happens
is, you find new activities andlike, oh, actually, I really
like to just do this. Like, Ireally like to go. For me, it's
like, you know, being out withnature and hiking and and those
kinds I love having these kindsof conversations, whether it's
on my podcast or randomly with aperson. While I'm traveling,

(20:00):
like, I just love havingconversations and talking to
people one on one, and so I findthat much, much more. And you
can't have those conversationswith people if you've both had a
lot of alcohol, right? It'slike, you don't remember it, or
it becomes like nonsensical orother problems,

Tim Shurr (20:18):
you're exactly right.
You're exactly right. I was anaddictions counselor when I was
first going to school forpsychology, just paying for
school and and I would work witha lot of teenagers and in
inpatient outpatient programsand day programs where kids were
kicked out of schools. Work witha lot of kids in gangs, and I
would teach them how to get highon hypnosis instead of
everything else, and they lovedit, and and it was so much

(20:39):
better for them, and then wewould fill them with self love
and self esteem, which theynever really had before, and it
was way better than any highthey could have got doing all
the other stuff. And it was longlasting. It made them feel
better afterwards. It moved themtowards a greater state of peace
and well being, instead ofwaking up hung over, or feeling
like you're going to get introuble, or wondering what, what

(21:02):
dumb thing that I just do, andnow I got to deal with the
consequences. And the otherpoint you made, Chuck was really
good. The best advice is alwaysin the Bible. It's amazing when,
when you have when, if you growup in church, you don't grow up
in church, you you look at theBible and it's a bunch of boring
stories that don't seemrelatable. But as you get older,
if you look at it from adifferent perspective. There is
so much deep wisdom in thatbook. It's insane. So,

yeah, I have a friend who's I've actually had
him on the show, and he's apreacher, and I've gone to see
him preaching, and I'm not asuper religious person, but
you're right. The wisdom and thephilosophy, I'm like, Oh, this
is spot on. Like, I don't careif you're a Christian or not a
Christian. Or not a Christian.
Like, what he's saying, like theideas and the philosophy, I
think is spot on. I thinkbecause I'm really more of a

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like, psychological perspective,and I think a lot of the things
he was saying that are from theBible make sense, and they're
going to lead to prosperity, inmy opinion, like, I think that
would be better than, again, thedrugs and alcohol. Like I've
seen the end results of that,and I that's not what I what I
want for myself. I don't thinkanybody does

Tim Shurr (22:12):
No. Well, there where people are searching and they're
looking for meaning, and theydon't know how to find that
meaning. I spent 36 years inpersonal development, and I
never found that ultimate piecethat I was looking for until I
started developing arelationship with Jesus, which,
you know, is something that Iwould have never even talked
about or admitted on a podcastor in my profession as a
psychotherapist, I was trainednot to talk about stuff like

(22:33):
that, so, but my goal is to findthe best tools and strategies
that help us to feel The mostfulfilled. And it turns out, you
know, the Bible is one of themost amazing places for that and
and so I encourage people liketo watch the chosen on Amazon
Prime, because it's, it showsyou a perspective. There's a lot
of Jesus movies out there, butit shows you the perspective of

(22:56):
the his students, the disciples,and how they were watching it in
action, first person all themiracles, and they still
doubted, and they still hadenvy, and they still had
jealousy, and they still hadgreed and and fear, lots and
lots of doubt and fear. And soit's no wonder that, you know,
we haven't seen any of thatfirsthand. So for us to have all

(23:17):
this doubt, and so we gosearching for some spiritual
experience, and people are usingdrugs as they always have to try
to have some connection. But youdon't need the drugs to do it.
You can use it through using thepower of your mind and through
going to church and by havingdifferent experiences that
really upgrade your unconsciousbeliefs. You know that's that's

(23:38):
what I found after all thosesessions and all this time
working with people that you gotthese core, deep beliefs that
are formed, usually before theage of 12, that are guiding your
life. And most of the time,people don't even know that
those beliefs are there. And asCarl Jung once said, he said,
the goal of life is to make theunconscious conscious, otherwise

(23:59):
it will rule your life, and youwill call it fate.

So how do you do that? How do you make those
unconscious thoughts rise to thesurface?

Tim Shurr (24:09):
So for me, it's very simple. I just help you get in
touch with the feeling that'sholding you back, whether we
call it anxiety, worry, stress,fear, pressure, whatever it may
be. And we step into thatfeeling, and we just follow it
back to the first time you everfelt that way. And so people
will go back to when they weretwo or four or 12, or someone
today went back to when she was30 and and so there was an

(24:33):
experience that people had, andthen from that experience, it's
usually an upsetting ortraumatic experience. And from
that experience, their brainformed a belief. And a belief is
just an idea that we believewith certainty is is accurate,
right? And so they'll have somehorrible thing happen and or
even just being embarrassed inthe front of of the classroom

(24:56):
when you're in third grade. Andthen your brain forms a belief
that I. Talk in front of crowds,right? And then you get this
belief, why not? Because I'm notgood enough to do it. And so now
you have this belief that'sguiding you in the back of your
brain your whole entire life,that you're not enough. So you
hold back on making certaindecisions. You don't trust your
own gut feelings. You're alwaysrelying on other people's advice

(25:18):
to save you, you know, and or tohelp you, and then you feel like
you're always being attracted topeople who let you down and and
then we can't figure out whythat keeps happening. There must
be something wrong with me, andit reinforces that original
limiting belief. So we go backto that situation, and we give
you the resources that if youwould have had those resources

(25:38):
at that time, then thatsituation wouldn't have been
traumatic, or it would have beendifferent, and you could have
come out from with a differentbelief, right? So we go back to
that third grade, and we imaginethat when people are laughing at
you, that you start laughingback, or when the when the
teacher says something negative,you respond with something
positive and loving andempowering, and then everybody

(25:59):
starts clapping for you, andthen we reframe the situation,
and then we ask you, what wouldyou rather believe instead?
Right? And I want to believethat I can do anything I put my
mind to, and that I'm more thanenough. And because we've
created a new emotionalexperience, and we've developed
new resources, and we've comeout with a new belief that lasts
through time. It doesn't wearoff and and so, of course,

(26:21):
that's the first part of it. Youknow, I take people through
these one belief awayexperiences and, and so that's
how you basically do it. And itseems very simple, and I've just
perfected these experiences overall these years.

Yeah, I know for me, one thing that I had to
change my belief on was, like, Iwas a I used to work as a
counselor in the schools for 17years. I did that, and I just
kept, you know, last few yearsof it, I was like, I mean, I was
burned out through a lot of it,I think. But I think especially
the last few years, I was like,I am so burned out. Like, what?
And but I would see otherpeople, and they loved it, you

(26:58):
know, they were like, Iremember. I'll never forget one
of the guys I worked with, theprincipal said, like, oh, it's
not that I have to go play withthe kids at recess. He's like, I
get to play with the kids atrecess. And I was like, and I
was just thinking in my head,I'm like, I'm dreading this. I'm
like, I don't want to be aroundthese kids at recess. And then I
thought there was somethingwrong with me. I must be

(27:19):
depressed or, you know, I shouldbe enjoying this job. And then I
realized, like, No, it wasn't.
There was something wrong withme. This just was not the right
fit for me anymore. I thinkmaybe it was, or maybe it never
was, but I did not want to beworking in a school. Schools
made like some people have afear of hospitals, or like they
just don't like hospitals.
That's how I felt about schoolsat that point. I just was so

(27:41):
burned out. I wanted nothing todo with books and classrooms and
teachers and parent teacherconferences. I wanted nothing to
do with it. And so I realizedthis isn't something, and I feel
like that is a thing that a lotof people could benefit from,
like, if their marriage doesn'twork out or whatever, it's not
that there was something wrongwith them. It was just it was
not the right fit. If they gotfired from a job again, it

(28:02):
wasn't maybe that they were abad employee. It was just that
was not the right fit for them.
I feel like that would be ahuge, powerful belief for people
to change, if they could reframeit into this is not the right
fit, rather than there'ssomething wrong with me

Tim Shurr (28:16):
100% and you know, sometimes it's not a fit
anymore, right? So, I mean, youput in 17 years, that's a long
time, and and did a lot of goodduring that time, but it was
time for you to evolve. It wastime for you to do something
else and add value in new ways,and bring that experience and
channel it in a new, you know,for a new chapter of your life.

(28:39):
And, and you knew it. There wasa part of you that that knew
that, and it was time for you tospread your wings and fly, so to
speak, and and we won't do thatif we're comfortable, if we're
content, right? If you were justcontent, you would have sat and
put your time in anyway, andthen you would have been
miserable. So the fact that youhad the courage to take that

(29:00):
leap, to make that jump, to havethe courage to go and try
something else and do somethingnew, is what ends up creating a
lot of fulfillment in life. Andyou know, in that moment you
decided that you were going toplay to win, instead of just,
you know, and get from the day,instead of just trying to get
through another one.

Yeah, now, so I feel like I, I did have some
success now with this podcastand such, but now it feels like
I'm just, I'm kind of like,stuck, right? I've, also, I will
tell you, with my physicalhealth, I've, I've had some
success. I've lost, I think Ilost like 30 pounds or something
like that. My body fat was downlike 5% and I'm just, I'm trying
to get to 15% body fat. And itjust I'm in that, you know, I

(29:42):
was down to like, 17 at onepoint. I was real close. But it
just feels like, with both ofthose things, I feel like I'm
I'm working hard. I go to thegym five days a week. I'm eating
healthy. I'm working on thepodcast every day, even
sometimes weekends and nights.
I'm putting in the time. I'mputting it, but I'm just not
getting to that. Next level,like, how do we evolve to that
next level? Because you want, Imean, you look at guys, like,

(30:03):
I'm just thinking in terms ofpodcasts or whatever, like and
successful people, you know,there's people like Joe Rogan at
probably best podcast right now,like Patrick mahomes, one of the
best quarterbacks right now.
There's people like that. Andthen you have people that are,
they're doing it right? Likethey're on an NFL team, maybe,
or they have a podcast, andthey're they're doing it, but

(30:25):
they're not at that you know?
They're not winning Super Bowlsor whatever. They're not at the
top of their game. So whatseparates the people who who are
just some moderate success tobeing at the top of your game?

Tim Shurr (30:36):
Some people are just lucky. They just get lucky, like
Joe Rogan, I know, but he wasdoing fear factor right. And
then he got involved with withthe, oh, what is the fighting? I
forget what they call it, UFC.
The UFC, yeah, thank you. And sohe got involved with that a
little bit, and and was generousin that way. And so he was, he
started getting around the rightpeople and getting in the right

(30:58):
circles. And, I mean, he wasjust a stand up comic. And, you
know, you asked Joe himself, andhe's like, I'm not the brightest
guy in the world. He says it's ajoke that I'm friends with Elon
Musk, you know, because, youknow. And so he admits that he's
not doing anything super secretor powerful, that if I could
give you that secret sauce, thenyou could do the same thing. He

(31:19):
just kept at it, and he kepttaking advantage of whatever was
in front of him, and he keptsaying yes, and he kept going
for it. And then magic happened,and things turned out for him,
and he capitalized on that yourpath may be to do, that your
path is probably something else,right, that's unique and made
for you. So what you got to dothen is, if you're in another

(31:41):
chapter, another growthopportunity right now in your
life, you got to think about,all right, I'm going to be open
to new opportunities. How can Itake all these conversations and
turn them into courses orspeaking opportunities? Or how
can I take my relationships andturn them into affiliate
relationships and then workthrough, you know, sharing what
all the experience you've gainedfrom hundreds and hundreds of

(32:04):
conversations, and all 17 yearsof working with kids. I mean,
you've amassed a lot of wisdom,and so you got to figure out how
to package that in a way thatwould bring you joy, and then
create relationships with allthe, you know, the huge
community that you've created tosee what's next for you. And so
you just keep starting the daywith you know, the prayer of

(32:24):
Jabez, Dear God, please expandmy territory and and protect me
from doing evil, right? And,and, and then watch for the
opportunities for for you totake new action. So maybe you're
not going to the gym five days aweek, and maybe you're not
working on your podcast 100hours a week, because you're
creating space for newpossibilities to come in. And

(32:45):
then you stay open to it, andthen you watch for the clues.
And as soon as you startwatching for the clues, you take
action on it. So I asked JoeVitale the same question, I'm
like, Joe, do you do you thinkyou'd be as successful as you
are if you weren't in the secretmovie? And he just laughed, and
he said, I don't know. And Isaid, Well, what made you
successful? You know, what?

(33:06):
What's that secret sauce? Andthere isn't one. You know,
people say discipline a lotbecause, you know, I interviewed
hundreds of people for a how tobe mesmerizing podcast that I
ran for a few years, and theyall said discipline. But you
know, what does that mean? Youget up and you work really hard
at something, you know, you'reable to get yourself to do
things that you don't want todo. And a lot of people have a

(33:26):
hard time with that. So, but nowyou you can do that, Chuck,
you've proved it. So. So Joesays, I just basically did
everything. He said, I dideverything I could think of. I
wrote all the books I couldthink of. I did all the speaking
engagements. I did the podcast,I do the interviews. You know, I
did it all. I wrote the hypnoticwriting programs. I tried this

(33:47):
association, that association, Idid it all, and he said that I
got lucky. And you know, whenyou are believing in yourself
and you're just going for it,and your real goal isn't to try
to get somewhere else or getsomething else. Your real goal
is to become the next bestversion of you. Matthew
McConaughey said it best. Hesaid that. Someone said, Who's

(34:09):
your role model? Who do you lookup to? And he said, me five
years from now, because thatguy's gonna be amazing.

Wow. That's a lot to unpack, right? That's, that's
great stuff, yeah, I mean, it isinteresting, because I know a
lot of the work that you do isis trying to get people to shift
into the discipline and havebetter habits. And sometimes,
like, I think, like, because Ithink wasn't with hypnosis isn't
one of the things they say isthat we're kind of always in a
state of hypnosis. And like, anexample of this is when you're

(34:39):
driving, you know, on a roadtrip or something, and then you
kind of zone out, and thenyou're like, Oh, crap, it's been
like, an hour. I didn't realizewhere did the time go, like, and
I realized that, like, I thinksometimes you do kind of have to
hypnotize yourself in a way,like, where you just make it a
habit. Like, I know, for me, forexample, the gym I go five days
a week, and, you know, peopleask me, like. Also, like, you

(35:00):
must really like the gym. Like,No, I hate it. Like, I really do
hate working out, I but I likethe feeling afterwards. And I
think that's another thing thatyou talk about is, like, is
finding that the after effect ofwhatever it is that you want to
accomplish, like, with a diet,like, Yeah, you don't want to
maybe eat the diet food, butlike, you want to be thinner and

(35:21):
so like trying to find thatpositive feeling. There's
something you gotta sometimesyou gotta search for it, but
it's there.

Tim Shurr (35:29):
Yeah, the next level of mastery is figuring out a way
to associate pleasure to theaction steps, so that you don't
constantly have to motivateyourself to do stuff you don't
really want to do, because it'svery hard to maintain that.
Yeah, a way to love it. So whenyou're exercising, you hang out
with other friends, you go to anew gym. Try techniques. You
listen to music, right? You gotto try different strategies. You

(35:52):
know, after your workout, youtry the new smoothie bar they
have. You got to have rewardsand bring pleasure to it, and
then it'll allow you to make itsustainable. So But you're
right, we walk around in atrance, and our goal is to
direct the flow, instead of itjust happening to us, like they
say, life isn't happening toyou. It's happening for you. And

(36:13):
so if you're not activelyfilling your mind with positive
or useful energy, then your mindis absorbing whatever's left,
which is a lot of negative orunuseful energy. We go into a
hypnotic trance every morningand every night when we fall
asleep and when we first wakeup. And if we're starting and
ending our day with gratitude,we're going to have more things
to feel grateful for. If we arefocusing on what we're excited

(36:36):
about and we're always thinkingabout what we need to learn to
be able to solve this nextproblem, then we're going to
find the solutions. We're goingto get ideas in our sleep, in
the shower, you know, people aregoing to call up and and all of
a sudden have answers for us. Sowhen you're trying to be
successful in life, really, it'sall about solving the next
problem and and whatever you'reresisting, here's a secret,

(36:59):
whatever you're resisting,that's probably where you need
to go next. You know, yourbiggest breakthroughs are hiding
in the places you don't want togo. And so if you go there on
purpose, then you're going tocreate a breakthrough pretty
fast,

the things that you're afraid of, the places
that,

Tim Shurr (37:16):
yeah, because that helps you to identify. Well, why
are you afraid? You're amazing,you're powerful, you're strong,
you're vast, you are, you know,your atomic energy, you don't
even die, you're you just yourenergy just changes form. I
mean, you're extraordinary. Andwe're walking around acting like
we're small and tiny andworthless, and no one gives a
crap about us, and that is sofalse and and so but if you feel

(37:40):
like you're small and no onecares, then that's the kind of
world you will live in, even ifthat's not how the world is. And
so as the Talmud said, you don'tsays you don't see the world as
it is. You see the world as youare. And so that's why it's so
important to upgrade thosefoundational beliefs that you
have. It's like they determinewhat kind of thoughts you have,
and those thoughts, those that'sthe story you're using to

(38:03):
narrate your life, and thatstory you're using to describe
your experiences is what you'reresponding to or reacting to,
not the experience itself. Sopeople have tremendous power,
they just don't realize it.

See, that's what's so interesting. Because, yeah,
because I've listened to someinterviews with you, and you
talk about that, you know,changing your beliefs. And I
feel like my beliefs are prettygood. Like, I think I'm a pretty
good podcaster, but I feel likeit's like the problem is trying
to convince other people. I feellike I'm in a I'm in a sales
job, like all the I'm alwaystrying to sell this, like trying
to convince publicists to havetheir clients on my show. I'm

(38:39):
like, No, I will do a reallygood job. This will be a really
good interview. Your client'sgoing to be blown away, but it's
like they don't. They don'tbelieve me. They don't believe
in me. How do I convince themthat I am good, that I am good

Tim Shurr (38:52):
enough? Yeah, you don't. There's a simple answer,
because you don't need anybody'sapproval to tell you that you're
enough. Now the thing that youcan do, Chuck is you get your
best guests that have highprofile situations to give a
testimonial for your show, andthen you share those
testimonials with thepublicists. Now you're not

(39:13):
saying you're great. They are,and that is how you get more
street cred. So you don't prove

I mean, they've said it on my they've said I've
had guests. I put highlightreels together because people
will say it on my show, like, inthe middle of the interview,
they're like, Wow, how did youknow that? And I put this all
together. But I feel like a lotof publicists are lazy. They
don't, they don't do the work,and they don't watch it, but if
they, yeah, if they watched it,I feel like they would be
impressed. I don't know. It's

Tim Shurr (39:41):
true. It's true. And then you can do other things
too. You can createsponsorships, right? Or you can,
you know, set up some kind ofarrangements with people so that
they'll come on your show. Andyou can do sponsorships, you
can, you can also be on otherpeople's show, right? And
because you've collected a hugeamount of. Wisdom, and so you
can go be a guest on otherpeople's show and then invite

(40:03):
them to be on your show, andthen go back and forth. People
who are really successful, thereason they're really successful
The next level is because thepartnerships, they are hooking
up with their friends and doingaffiliate JV workshop. They're
doing all kinds of stuff,sharing each other's lists and
and they build their ownnetwork, and then they just

(40:25):
start to work together, likeTony Robbins. You know Tony
Robbins is super famous. Youdon't need anybody, but look who
he's teamed up with, Dean,right? And he took Dean's world,
and Dean took Tony's world, andthen they collaborated with
Russell Brunson with ClickFunnels, and Russell built him
all these funnels. Russell wastrying to get in Tony Robbins
world for 10 years, and then hefinally got into Tony's world.

(40:46):
And then he brought Tony andpaid him to be a feature speaker
two or three times as his clickfunnel events. And then Tony
finally said, All right, I'mgoing to show you some love now.
And now, you know, you got thosethree working together. And so
Tony didn't do all that byhimself. He's got D now he's got
Russell now he's and so you'vegot to figure out who can help
me to get those publicistattention, instead of, how can I

(41:09):
do all the work? Right? Who canhelp me? And when you start
thinking of it in that way, whodo you know? Right? All those
people they know. Hey, havepublicists, they have friends,
they have connections. Like Iwas, you know, became friends
with Joe Vitale, and then I'mstarting to ask other people who
are coming on my show. I'm like,anybody know, Les Brown, because

(41:29):
I really wanted to have lessbrown on my show and connect
with him. And I finally foundsomebody who gave me less his
number. And then I worked formonths to get a hold of less,
and I finally did. And then Ibecame friends with less, you
know? And then eventually, onceI had a great relationship with
less, I'm like, Hey, you thinkyou could connect me with Brian?
Brian Tracy, and he gave me acell phone, right? Which

is a, wow. These are big names in the self help
field,

Tim Shurr (41:54):
I'm telling you. I took that Chuck and I ran with
it. And so once I had less and Ihad brown I'm like, you know?
I'm like, Hey, how do I get ahold of Bob Proctor, right? How
do I get a hold of KenBlanchard? Seth Godin, yeah,
I've had them all in my show.
And, in fact, I did a legendsummit during the pandemic, and
brought them all together andhad them all hang out together
and talk, you know? And it waslike blowing my mind. And that

(42:16):
all happened because I was usingeverybody else's leverage. They
didn't Brian Tracy didn't knowwho Tim sure was, but you know
who Les Brown is, right? And soI want you to start thinking
about how you can use yournetwork to help encourage other
people to get some bigger nameguests on your show, instead of
you feeling like you know them,making you feel like you're not

(42:39):
good enough. Because,

yeah, no, I know it's just, it seems like I'm
always like, chasing people andtrying to convince I want people
to come to me. I want, I want itto get to the point where people
are begging to come on my show,because it's so great. You know
what I mean? Like, and it's beensix years, and I'm like, I'm not
saying I'm giving up. But it'slike, man, you start to get

(43:02):
discouraged a little bit. I'mlike, What am I doing? It feels
like I'm almost going backwards,like it's harder to get guests
now, because, I mean, not to gettoo deep into the weeds here
with podcasting and all this.
But you know, there was, like, Ithink when I started, there was
like 500,000 podcasts. Nowthere's like 4 million. So it's
just a lot more competitive. So,and I saw, I got to tell you,
this is kind of the opposite ofwhat you're saying, in a way, is

(43:24):
that, because I went, one of myfavorite people that I've ever
seen speak is David Goggins. Iwent and saw him speak in
person, and that guy just blowsme away every time. And I mean,
I watch videos and stuff, I onlyseen him in person once, and it
was so amazing. It was like itlived up to the hype, like he
was so good. And it was all, youknow, just off the cuff, because

(43:45):
people are coming up withquestions, and he's answering
their questions. And a lot ofhis message is that, you know,
he can't save you, right? Likeyou've got to do the work.
You've got to do it on your own.
And, and one of the, I mean, itwas the greatest exit I have
ever seen a professional speakertake one of the last questions

(44:06):
this guy, because he was hismessage like, look, you've got
to do this. I can't do it foryou. And this guy was saying,
kind of like saying, well, Ineed your help, but, you know,
but I am, I am really, I am selfmotivated. I'm motivated. Then
David Goggins just goes, you'remotivated. Great. Then I did my
job. I'm out of here anyway. Itwas the greatest exit I've ever
seen

Tim Shurr (44:25):
that's funny

him speak or watch videos of him.

Tim Shurr (44:29):
My son shows me videos of him, and he's like,
Look at this guy, you know. Andso I get it, I understand the
the charisma and the appeal andthe intensity that this guy has,
and the story, you know, to backit up. So one of the things that
you can do is make sure thatwhen you're getting them on the
show, what's that going to dofor them, right? If you lead
with that, like when I saidless, when I met Les Brown, I

(44:51):
went right into how can I helpyou less and not? How can I help
you less? I had a plan forhelping him, right? Because most
people, when they get a bigopportunity. Community, they
either start to tell their lifestory, which you just tune out,
if you hear that all the time,right? Or they start asking for
things, but they haven't givenanything, but they just start
asking for everything, right? Soyou're just asking to be on my

(45:13):
show. Be on my show, but whatare you going to give them,
right? And so, because theycould be on anybody's show, and
so, you know, you got to show upwith a plan. So when I called up
Les, I'm like, You know what?
Les? I said, You're amazing, andyou have been for decades and
decades, and most 19 and 20 yearolds don't know who you are, and
that's a shame. Now I have a wayof connecting with their parents

(45:33):
and with them to be able to getyour voice and your messages to
live on well beyond when you'vegone on to heaven and and so.
And by doing an interview withme, I can help you connect with
that younger audience so that wecan keep your legacy alive. And
he's like, when do you want todo this? Right? So I showed up
with a plan of how I was goingto add value and what I was

(45:58):
going to do. I had to do thatfor the legend summit too. You
know, I had like, 30 of these.
Oh, geez, of personaldevelopment, and I didn't pay
anybody for this. They all cameon because they heard their
friends were going to be there,and it was during the pandemic
anyway, so nobody was doinganything, and they thought it
would be fun to just hang outwith their friends. And they

(46:19):
were so impressed by my roster,right? And so I just kept using
more and more of their friendsto get more of them on board. I
instead. In fact, I feel badabout this, but I turned away.
Jack Canfield, can you imagine

that? Oh, the guy that wrote Chicken Soup for the
Soul, yeah, 50

Tim Shurr (46:34):
million copies and, you know, and at the very last
minute, he's like, Hey, youthink I can get in there? And I
had, I had no room. I shouldhave made room and kicked myself
out, but can you so? But, um,wow, and now I'm trying to get
on his show, so we'll see whathappens. But I didn't ask him to
get on his show. John Ashura,fast if I could get on his show.

(46:56):
So if I'm using my connections,and I'm using my friends,
because I do all kinds of stufffor them. So it's not using, but
I'm asking because I'm giving,and there's a reason why I want
to do it, right? So if you canshow up with some kind of way
that you can add some value, andyou got to get creative, and
sometimes you got to talk toother people, and sometimes

(47:16):
you're going to use grok orchatgpt to get creative,
whatever you got to do, but makesure that when you go to that
publicist, it's because you'vegot an idea that's going to sell
more books, it's going to sellmore tickets, that's going to
sell more of something, and tomake it more desirable, so that
they they're like, well, I'll goto you instead of the other 4
million podcasts that are outthere.

Yeah, no, I think that's a huge part of it is
being strategic and and gettingcreative, because it's hard to
to stand out, I mean, but I dothink, like a lot of what you're
doing is teaching is a lot ofthese foundations are very
important, and sometimes it'sjust going back to the basics.
Like, you know, maybe I need todevelop better habits and just

(47:58):
keep going. Because I think thatis another thing too, is that
I've seen a lot of people'ssuccess they say, I mean, a lot
of especially like, you know,when I talk a lot of these bands
and things like, you know, a lotof people were close to giving
up before the big breakhappened, or whatever, and they
went through so many things.
Like, I don't know if you'refamiliar with it. Was it Chase?
I think it's Jason Aldean. I hadhis drummer on, and he was

(48:19):
saying how this guy had playeddrums with, like, reggae bands
and Rock Band and all sorts ofdifferent music. And it took
him, like, you know, severalyears, and then he found Jason
Aldean. He's like, here's myticket. Like, this is, this is
the guy, and then the rest ishistory. So now he's, you know,
but it takes so many, you know,years to get to that point. And
so some people, a lot of people,he said he saw friends of his

(48:42):
who were better drummers thanhim. They didn't make it because
they quit. They had to go back,you know, they had to get a day
job. They had bills to pay. Theygot married. But he just kept
going and and then he gotsuccess.

Tim Shurr (48:56):
You don't regret it if you keep going and going. You
spend your whole life chasingyour dreams, and you shoot for
the moon, and you miss. You'restill among the stars, right? So
you love it. That is,

that's shoot for the moon. That's my side thing.
That's my last name. So, yeah,that's my I live my life by that
same

Tim Shurr (49:12):
brilliant right? So you just keep aiming, and you
just keep going for it, and youknow you don't regret it because
of all the experiences you have,all the cool things that you
ended up doing. You're not doingthe status quo life. You know,
you're you're taking the roadless traveled, and that's the
one that's made all thedifference. And so it's
exciting. And, you know, I had aclient one time that when he was

(49:32):
younger, he was at all the LArock clubs, and he was a
photographer, and he was startedtaking pictures of all the bands
when they were really startingout. You know the Ozzie Ozzy
Osbournes in the Oh, my, Girls,Girls, Girls, what? Molly crew,

(49:53):
thank you. I'm getting old man.
I'm forgetting all my hairbands, but, but, uh, but yeah,
he, I mean, and he started.
Showing me. He just startedshowing me these, these intimate
pictures of everybody. That's awho, who? I'm like, Oh my gosh,
this is amazing. He's like, Iwant to put a book together. I'm
like, You should. But, um,

wait, so who is this? I probably know. I
probably heard of them. Is it? I

Tim Shurr (50:14):
can't even remember his name anymore. He was a
client, so I couldn't tell youanyway. But, oh yeah, but, um,
but any the point of the storywas that he said that there was
a lot of bands that were waybetter than Motley Crue, for
example, way better. But, youknow, this was the band that
stayed together. This is the onethat kept showing up. This was

(50:37):
the one even though they werecrazy and reckless. This was the
one that was on time for gigs,and this is the one that they
ended up going with, you know,even though they weren't as good
as everybody else. And a lot oftimes that's what we do. We look
at people and we're like, howcome they're famous and I'm not?
Yeah, I do

that all the time.
I look at other podcasters and Igo, why does this guy have more
followers and subscribers thanme? I'm better than him. I think
that in my head. But they musthave done something right.

Tim Shurr (51:02):
Well, something right, or they got lucky, or
they're just kept going, orthey're just doing something
else, and it's time for you todo your something else, because
God has a path for you, and yougot to figure out what that is.
And as you keep going andsearching, you're doing the
right thing, Chuck, becauseyou're asking, what else can I
do? Do not ask, what's wrongwith me? You need to throw that
out and instead just say, what?
What's next? What are theiropportunities? If I'm feeling

(51:24):
stuck, that's an opportunity.
It's going to cause me to reachout to someone else, ask
different questions, you know,get some different feedback,
hire somebody to help you. Theworst thing we do as
entrepreneurs is try to figureit all out by ourselves. That's
the slowest, most painful way ofdoing it, right? So find some
ways that you can collaborate.
We've been sharing ideas backand forth the whole time on what

(51:44):
you can do. You just gotta pickone and go for it.

Yeah, I feel like my show here is kind of on life
support, but I don't think it'sdead. I'm not quitting, and I'm
trying some other I'm gonna trylike three ideas right now, and
two of them involve this channeldirectly that would help support
it and hopefully bring more eyeson it. So, yeah, I am going to
do those things. And, yeah, it'sinteresting when you talk about,
you know, because I think TonyRobbins talks about the rocking

(52:11):
chair thing, where he's like,when I'm old, and sitting in the
rocking chair, you want to lookback and say, and do you have
any regrets or whatever? And Ithink two of the biggest regrets
that people have on theirdeathbeds are either that they
work too hard or they didn'tspend enough time with the
family, right? Is that? Is thataccurate? I

Tim Shurr (52:28):
think that's accurate. I think the number one
regret people have is that theydidn't go for something.

I didn't go, Yeah, I that was my fear, too. That's
why I started this podcast andstarted doing it, because I
wanted to do something thatinvolved the things that I
loved, you know, I think thatwas my, my fear when I was
younger, is that, oh, I cannever do that. I can never, you
know, be in that realm. I can't,I don't, you know, because I
couldn't,

Tim Shurr (52:53):
you have, I love you have, you can, yeah, I love
music, but I

couldn't, I couldn't, I didn't have a
musical talent, and I was real,you know, I figured that out
real quick, but it's weird,because I had posters of these
guys on my wall, and now I'veinterviewed a lot of those
people that were on my wall. Imean, that is kind of surreal.
So that's got to be worthsomething, right?

Tim Shurr (53:13):
That is worth everything, that's worth
everything, right? That's a hugedeal. So, you know, when I'm
talking of Les Brown and BrianTracy and stuff like that. And I
say this with all respect, butI'm just sitting here talking to
a bunch of old guys, right?
They're famous, but they're justold guys. And off record, you've
had this experience where youtalk to them before you turn on
the record button and they saysome stuff, and you're like,

(53:36):
Whoa. I didn't, I wasn'texpecting that out of you. You
You know, you peek, you peekunder the hood, and you're like,
oh, wow, yes. Don't meet yourheroes,

yeah. Or you, yeah, you when you get into this
business or whatever, and youstart talking to other
podcasters, and they'veinterviewed this person, they've
got a story. And then you'relike, Yeah, you hear a lot of
behind the scenes kind of stuff,and people love that, the gossip
and drama, and some of it'sinteresting, but I'm always
looking for the deeper stuff,like, how I become obsessed

(54:07):
with, like, how do people makeit? How do they become It's like
a magic trick to me. I feel likeit's just so interesting to
figure it

Tim Shurr (54:15):
out for yourself.
That's why, you know, we need

that's interesting.
Because I just think, and it's,it's interesting to me also to
see the side where you have thepeople who have such disdain for
the successful people like I seea lot of it on on, even on my
channel, I will get trolled bypeople that will say, Oh, you
suck it. And then I look and I'mlike, okay, this person has
like, two subscribers. Why arethey? They're trying to give me
tips on how to be better. And soit's so I find people just

(54:42):
fascinating people, celebritiesand successful people, but also
everyday people and people atthe lowest levels. I mean, you
mentioned the homeless earlier,like I find that whole thing. I
had a guy on my show, actually,who who does a channel where he
interviews homeless people who.
And most of them are addicted tofentanyl. And I it's so

(55:04):
interesting to see that, andespecially if people could come
out of that. That's I love. Thatso inspiring. But I'm so
interested by that I would liketo solve that problem like that.
That's like, eventually, that'swhat I would like to do with
this. The reason for startingall this is to to to make the
world a better place, right?
Like, if we can figure out howto solve that issue, I think

(55:24):
that would, that would be huge,because I see problems like that
in the world. I'm like, I knowthere's solutions for this, but
we're not

Tim Shurr (55:32):
so here's the deal, okay, for you, one of the things
that you got to do is figure outwhat you would enjoy next,
right? So you wanted to get intomusic, but you feel like you
didn't know how to maybe sing orplay that guitar, and so you
ended up creating a podcast. Youdidn't know you were going to do
this, but you ended up creatinga podcast where you got to hang
out with all those amazingpeople, right? And have all

(55:53):
those cool experiences. Andyou've done that, and you've
checked the box, that's amazing.
So now you get to explore andsay, All right, what would I
like to do next? You know? Whatis it? Because I had to have
clients that said, you know, Iwanted to play sports, but I was
not good at sports, but I endedup becoming a sports
broadcaster, or I became asports agent. And so I'm still
in it all the time. I feel likewhen I go to or I have some guys
that are like, You know what? Ijust I sell hot dogs there, but

(56:15):
I'm there and I'm in it everynight. And I love people, and
I've met this person and thatperson and everybody else, and
so, you know, you think aboutwhat would bring you joy? If you
wanted to solve somehomelessness, or you wanted to
find a cure for fentanyl, you'vegot to then, okay, if that
really is going to be what youenjoy, start doing a podcast on
that. Do a special series on it,right? Start talking to people

(56:36):
that are all in that, and figureout how you might contribute.
You might be the person thatconnects people together and
brings the ideas together,brings groups together that
aren't talking right now,there's lots of ways where you
could end up doing that,directly or indirectly. You just
got to figure out what happens,Chuck, is that we get too many
ideas. Well, I want to do this,and then I want to do this, and

(56:57):
I could do this and that, andthen you're not doing anything,
because you're all over theplace, you know, drill one hole
all the way down till you hitoil, instead of having 101 foot
holes.

Yeah, no, that's, that's good. If you're right,
you're spot on about that. I amlike, I also think sometimes you
do need to have multiple thingsgoing on, you know, like, Joe
Rogan is, like, you said, He'sUFC. He does a podcast. He does
stand up. He's doing multiple, alot of those best, the best
podcasts that people are doingother things. They're they're
comedians, or they're speakersor whatever. You know, there's

(57:30):
other things that I'd like totry, like I said, that would
support the podcast, because Ido think I need to step outside
of my comfort zone, trydifferent things and and see how
it all goes. But yeah, I do havea lot of lofty goals, I guess,
to, you know, things likesolving the homeless issue. I
feel like that is something thatis a solvable problem. I just

(57:50):
like to, you know, if I caninspire some people with these
kinds of conversations, I hopethat this conversation would
inspire somebody to make achange in their life, a positive
change, like, I don't know therecould be something that we said
throughout this conversationthat hits a nerve with someone,

Tim Shurr (58:07):
absolutely it's hitting nerves, yeah, and it's
making a difference, right?
Every time you show up and youdo this, you're making a
difference. And so sometimes wedon't know it, but it's
absolutely a fact that that'shappening and your show is
changing lives, and you shouldfeel proud of that. And then you
take that and you're like, whatelse would I like to be proud of
before I end up in that rockingchair? And when it comes to
comfort zones, remember thatthey're not always comfortable.

(58:29):
They are familiar. Lao Tzu oncesaid that you can't hug the base
of the tree. You got to go outon the limb, because that's
where the fruit is. And so youknow, when you decide you're
going to try something new, lookat as being exciting and what's
possible, instead of what if itdoesn't work out? Because that's
what shuts everybody down. Solet's go find out.

Yeah, I know for me, one of the things so
interesting, because I, like Isaid, I was a counselor, so I
have the degree in psychology,and I, you know, I, I think you
had said something similar, thatyou had some of the part of the
reason that you took thoseclasses was kind of more to
understand yourself. And Iremember taking the psychology
classes thinking I would getsome answers, and I would learn
a lot, and I learned a littlebit, but I feel like I've

(59:14):
learned so much more, believe itor not, by listening to podcasts
and watching videos on YouTube,and listening to people like
David Goggins and these peoplewho are at the top of their game
speak, and I just think it's soinspiring, and it's made me
think in ways that I Oh, I neverthought of things like that, and
really what it does. And I don'tknow if this is related to

(59:34):
hypnosis or not, but it feelslike, I think that we're kind of
all brainwashed in a way,whether it's from media that we
consume, or our old, you know,counterproductive thoughts. But
if you start listening topositive podcasts and things
like, there's one podcast I'dhighly recommend, called the
mindset mentor. It's verysimple. It's like 15 minute
episodes, and he just reallyit's very positive and

(59:58):
uplifting, but you can listen.
The stuff like that, or stufflike, if you just type in
motivational speak speeches orcompilation on YouTube, and
there's like, a bunch of putless Brown and Goggins, and
they'll put them back to backand just like, make yourself
listen to that over and over andover again, kind of brainwash
yourself. You say it works, youstart to feel better, and you
start to get pumped up, and youwant to do stuff. I don't know

(01:00:20):
it works for me. I don't know ifthat maybe it only works for me,
but I feel like it could workfor other people too.

Tim Shurr (01:00:26):
It can. And when you're brainwashing, you're
washing your brain of the fearand the limiting beliefs and so
that you feel fresh and you havea new perspective. And
absolutely, listening to that isgoing to inspire you. It's going
to help lift you up. It's goingto give you ideas. The best
education I got was listening toaudio cassette tapes back in the
late 80s, early 90s that I gotfor free from the library. I

(01:00:48):
found this section called selfhelp, and I didn't know what
that was, but I knew that Icould rent 10 of these audio
programs at a time for free. AndI was like, This is amazing. And
I would just drive around or putthem in my Walkman and go walk
for hours and listen to allthese amazing people that I've
now had on, you know, my show ormy programs and, and so you know

(01:01:08):
it absolutely is going to giveyou the secrets for how to live
a happier, more fulfilling lifeand, and now you're a part of
that as well with the show andeverything that you've
contributed through yourPodcast. So, you know, that's
amazing. Good for you.

Chuck Shute (01:01:23):
Yeah, do you have a program like that? Where is that
part of the thing that you do inyour coaching, where you
recommend a certain audioprogram where that people can
listen to it and it, it'llHypnose, hypnotize them and and
change their thoughts, like,hearing some thought on audio
like, repeatedly, like, like,isn't that a family? Is that

(01:01:43):
just like, is that kind of, uh,something that they did in the
80s with the audio tapes?
Because, wasn't that a thing?
Like, you could listen to selfhypnotize, Hypnotize yourself
tapes or whatever. Would say,like, I'm, you know, like, what
is the guy on SNL, Stuart small,he was like, I'm good enough.
I'm smart enough. And peoplelike me, like, is that a real
thing? You could listen tothings like that and just listen
to them, repeat it, repeat it,and kind of brainwash yourself

(01:02:06):
to believe

Tim Shurr (01:02:06):
it. It is a real thing. However, if you don't
upgrade the deep unconsciousbeliefs that are in underneath
it all, then it's like throwingdirt on top of weeds. So you're
throwing all the positiveaffirmations on top of these
deep fears that I'm really notgood enough. And then it just
makes you feel worse, becauseyou then you just keep thinking,
How come it's not working forme, even the hypnosis

(01:02:26):
brainwashing isn't working

either. So you said, and then you said, so to
get at those core beliefs, youhave to kind of go back in time
and figure out where it allstarted, and then reframe it
from there.

Tim Shurr (01:02:37):
Yes, yeah. And then the second step is to release,
you know, you got to upgrade thefeeling. So you got to bring in
forgiveness, and you got tostart forgiving the people that
hurt you and get the poison outof you. Because when we get
hurt, we tend to guard thatpoison. You know, it's like
getting bit by a poisonoussnake. The snake bite hurts, for
sure, but it's the venom that'sleft inside that paralyzes us.

(01:02:59):
And people protect their venom.
You know, they they protecttheir anger, their hurt, their
self pity, their selfrighteousness, their, you know,
their victimhood, because theythink that if they were to get
that out, they would get bitagain, right? And so they're
keeping the pain alive, and theydon't even know they're doing
it. And so we got to pull thevenom out of you and replace it
with peace and love and a senseof ease. And when you do those

(01:03:21):
first two sessions, upgradingthe beliefs and then the
feelings, it's extraordinary,the breakthroughs that people
start to have immediately. Iwitnessed so many, you know, I
specialize in freeing peoplefrom past trauma. And they're
like, You must just, you know,hate your job hearing all these
horrible stories for 30 years.
And I'm like, that's only thefirst part. The second part is

(01:03:43):
what happens afterwards, whenthe second chapter, the second
half of the movie, you know,where the where they have the
comeback, right, where theyreplace that with self love and
personal power and a sense ofpeace, and then what they are
able to accomplish has beenextraordinary. In fact, we got
the zero limits movie that'scoming out middle of June,
actually, the end of June inSacramento, it hits theaters.

(01:04:06):
Zero limits, based on Joe Vitalebook, zero limits. And I'm in
that movie and and I give a lotof case studies of people who
have completely transformedtheir lives, you know, by just
upgrading those unconsciousbeliefs. Wow,

that's good. I'll have to look for that. So with
15 or 16,000 people that you'veworked with, what do you think
the number one reason thatthings that people don't change,
like, what, like you're givingthem, the tools you're giving
them, the techniques, you'redoing all the right things, but
they still are resistant orwhat? What gets in the way? Do

(01:04:41):
you what is the number onereason for people failing to
move

Tim Shurr (01:04:45):
forward that rarely happens anymore, because I
figured out that once youupgrade the beliefs, if people
still get stuck, there's anunconscious conflict in there.
At a deeper level, there'sanother set of opposing beliefs.
You know. So one part of mewants to have this, but another
part of me wants to have that,and they're going about it in
opposite ways, and that's whatgets them stuck, right? So I

(01:05:07):
want to lose weight, but I wantto eat whatever I want. I want
to stop smoking, but I but Ineed the stress reliever of
that, even though smoking causesmore stress, you know, but, and
so then they've caused thiscompulsion. When you associate
pleasure and pain to the samething, it creates a compulsion,
and then that makes you feellike you gotta have something,
and are you gotta do something,and then you're fighting your

(01:05:30):
own brain, and you're gonna losethat battle. And so I found that
you've gotta if, if that'shappening, you can go and and
resolve that unconsciousconflict, and then people are
finally able to take off. Theonly time that it that I find
that I haven't had much results,is working with somebody with
anorexia. So I freed so manyyoung women from bulimia. It's
an incredible it should be thenumber one tool that everybody

(01:05:52):
uses, you know, is hypnosis andhypnotherapy and or my one
belief away method. But theanorexia is more what brain
wiring, you know that deep,obsessive, compulsive brain
wiring issue has been the onlything I've worked with a few
people over the years, and it'sonly been a handful. I'm sure
other people do much better atit, but for me, I wasn't able to

(01:06:13):
help overcome the brain wiringpart of it, although I've helped
people you know, who have hadOCD and and and, you know, have
struggled with bipolar ordepression or all kinds of other
challenges. And, and they still,you know, did remarkably well.
People with special needsresponded incredibly well to to
the hypnosis, which I wassurprised, because people come

(01:06:35):
to me for everything as a last,last resort. So I've got to try
all kinds of stuff with allkinds of people, and it's always
amazes me how well it actuallyworks, and how it shocks me that
most people aren't using likehypnotherapy as the number one
tool for everything, because itgoes right to the source of
what's going on, instead ofcognitive behavioral therapy,

(01:06:55):
which is just messing aroundwith your logical mind when your
subconscious mind is calling theshot. So

that makes sense to me, because I've tried that
cognitive behavioral stuff, andyou're right, it's like, I'm
like, Okay, I know my thoughtsare illogical. Like, I know this
is irrational, but I need tofigure out, like, Why? Why do I
have this thought that's like,for example, for me, I'll give
you one. Like, I have I know, Ihave an irrational fear of bugs,

(01:07:22):
and it's real, like, I, we had aroach in my bathroom the day,
and I, I freaked out. I was, itwas irrational. It's a, I mean,
it's, it was a big cockroach,but it's a bug I could I'm much
bigger than the bug. I shouldnot be afraid of a cockroach
that's much smaller than me, butit's just something about it,
and I needed some sessions toget to the bottom this, because
I don't know where it comesfrom, but it's irrational. And I

(01:07:44):
don't think the cognitivebehavioral stuff, it's not going
to work, because I know it'sirrational. You know, there's
some sort of, sort of somethingin my past that I don't know. I
must have, I must have had somebad experience with a bug that I
don't I blocked out, I don'tknow,

Tim Shurr (01:07:58):
yeah, in a book or a TV show or something else that
happened, or when you werereally little, and you don't
consciously recall it anymore,and that's what happens. And
I've helped free people from allkinds of fears of bugs, like
that, phobias. One woman wasdeathly afraid of frogs, and she
lived on a farm, and there wasfrogs everywhere, and she was
like not being able to cope andand when we freed her from that,

(01:08:18):
you know, when she was a littlegirl, she fell face first into a
hollowed out tree stump. Therewas a bunch of frogs in there.
And so whenever there was twoexperiences, one, the shock of
it scared her, and then herrelatives were all laughing. You
know, they see a kid fall andthey laugh. But she took it as
they were laughing at her. So itit jacked up the emotion, right

(01:08:39):
of now, not only did thishappen, but I'm not even safe,
and so they're laughing at me.
They're not protecting me. Andso she had all that, and it
became an anchor. It became abutton, a frog button, for her.
So even the idea of it, pushthat button, freaked her out,
and that's what's happening withyou. I remember one time there
was a weatherman that freakedout during an episode right live
on the news, they brought atarantula in for the next

(01:09:02):
episode, a big spider and andJim was terrified. He had a
spider phobia, and ran out inthe middle of the weather
forecast, saw that spider, andjust ran out of the studio, and
everybody made fun of them. Andso I called up the studio, and
I'm like, you know, I bet Icould get that spider on Jim's
arm. And nobody called me backfor months. And finally, the
producer, one day, called up,and she said, Hey, I got your

(01:09:23):
message. But, you know, shethought I was full of beans,
saying that I could get thatspider on his arm. And she said,
If you could just get him tostand next to it, you know, that
would be great. And I'm like,Yeah, that's fine. I'll turn him
into a hero, right? And so theydid this whole bit on it. Long
story short, I got that spideron his arm in 10 minutes. That's
so crazy. Yeah, because, and hewas, you know, it's very common

(01:09:47):
what people do in their in hismind. In his mind, he watched
spider movies. You know, back inthe day, in the 50s, there were
spiders that were bigger thanhouses, and he would always
imagine a spider jumping on hisface. Piece, and it was zoomed
in and everything all yuck,yuck, yuck. You do that at some
level with a cockroach. And sowhat we did was, in his mind, we
made it small, and then we brokethat button, we scrambled it up.

(01:10:09):
It's like having a CD, you know,that you put in and it plays
where you take a key and youscratch it all up for us old
enough to remember that, andthen it doesn't play anymore.
Well, that's what we're doingwith the programs in your brain.
And so we're scrambling that oldpattern and then giving him a
new way of feeling safe andsecure, where now we imagine
that that spider was a mom, andit was scared to death of him,

(01:10:31):
and was just trying to get backto its kids and, you know? And
so he had a whole differentexperience. And then I set an
anchor in his arm, so during theepisode, I'm right next to him.
I got a hold of his arm. One, sohe doesn't run out, and two, I
just kept pushing this button.
So it's a new button that madehim feel confident, and I
anchored that new feeling ofconfidence. So I'm like hitting

(01:10:51):
him with everything I can, butit worked. Now here's the cool
thing that most people don'tknow, is that he got the spider
on his arm. Everybody celebratedJim's the hero now, okay, so
then they go to another segment.
I go off stage. I'm standingthere the spider Wrangler is,
that's what they call this dude.
I said, Bring one spider in. Sohe brings in 10. And he has a

(01:11:12):
whole table of spiders in allthese boxes, and one this spider
was, like, it was ridiculous,yeah, we don't take him out, you
know, like, he must come fromthe Amazon. I don't even know
why he had them, but anyway, andI don't like spiders either, and
I had to do all that, so I wasanchoring myself at the same
time, but, um, but I'm sittinghere, I'm staring at all these

(01:11:34):
spiders, and I feel someone overmy shoulder, and I look, and
it's Jim, you know, the guy thatI just helped, and we're both
sitting there just staring atthis table of spiders together.
So not only did the techniquework in the moment, but
afterwards, Jim and I aresitting here staring at a table
of our worst fear, still feelinga sense of ease and a feeling of

(01:11:55):
peace, like we're okay. That'show powerful it is. The biggest
fear people have is, is thisgoing to last? Is it going to
wear off? Positive affirmationswear off? Upgrading beliefs,
does not hmm,

I love it. That's great when you're talking. It
makes me think too of sports andsports psychology. Does this?
Have you tried this with sportsand sports teams? Like, because
I feel like a lot of sports, isPsychology. Like, I've seen this
so often with especially withteams from my state, Washington

(01:12:28):
State, where I'm originallyfrom, and, like, the Seahawks
and stuff. Like, it'll be a gamewhere it's like, they're favored
to win, they've got the talent,and they just blow it. They make
stupid mistakes. And I know it'spsychological.

Tim Shurr (01:12:40):
Yeah, it is, it is, and they'll do it as a team, and
then they'll rub off on eachother. I haven't worked with
teams. I've worked withindividuals. And so every level,
middle school, high school,Olympians, professionals and,
you know, athletes at that levelhave a different mindset. I
mean, they're tough, they'resmart, they're driven, but

(01:13:02):
because of that, need to tosucceed. They're very difficult
on themselves. They put a hugeamount of pressure on
themselves, especially some ofthese professionals that are
only like 22 years old. Nowthey're millionaires. Now the
whole world's watching them. Nowtheir families depending on
them. Now they got relativescoming out of the world. Now,
everybody wants something fromthem, and they're 22 right? And

(01:13:25):
so that pressure is crushingthem. And then, you know, and
then they get into a slump. Theyget the gifts. They get it, you
know, they start screwing up andand crashing. And then I usually
get the call, and then I turn itaround for them, and I turn it
around with self love and withsome simple beliefs that you
know, the more fun you have,this more successful you'll be.

(01:13:47):
I get them to start enjoyingwhat they're doing again,
instead of getting caught up inall the pressures or worrying
that there's a scout in theaudience, or whatever it may be
that they're going to letthemselves down, their team,
down, their coaches, down, theirparents, down, themselves down,
right? And instead, we juststart to upgrade those beliefs
of, you know, even though theyknow they're more than enough,
they have this fear that, youknow, they're not going to be

(01:14:09):
enough, and somehow they'regoing to let everybody down. And
then that, cause I work with alot of golfers, you know, and
then they feel like the shotdoesn't go well, and then they
get ticked off, and then, youknow, they're getting angrier,
and then it's showing up intheir swing, and then they're
getting more angry. And, youknow, and so we go in there and
we shift it around. It's thesame strategies, Chuck, it's

(01:14:31):
always the same. Upgrade thebeliefs. Create a new way of
responding, associate morepleasure and and take the
pressure off, show them how toactivate the relaxation response
instead of the fight or flightresponse. Just know when to use
what tools at what time.

I think especially with with quarterbacks like, I
don't know if you followfootball at all, but like,
Seahawks just got a newquarterback, Sam darnold, and I
followed this guy's career sincecollege, and I mean, he actually
had a really good year last.
Year, and he was on the Vikings,and I think he was one of the
best quarterbacks statistically,and the record was like one of
the best records in the NFL. Andthen at the end of the year, the
playoffs, he just, you couldtell, he just choked. And I know

(01:15:10):
he needs you. He might need youthis year, so maybe we didn't
make that happen.

Tim Shurr (01:15:16):
Yeah, everybody needs this stuff, right, not me, but
these tools and the techniques,you know, we need self love. We
need to learn how to take thepressure off. We need more
effective ways. The poppsychology crap that's out there
is not cutting it, and that'swhy everybody's

pop psychology stuff. What do you mean? Oh, you
know, just

Tim Shurr (01:15:35):
trying to do vision boards and listen to hypnosis
recordings that some AI programmade on, you know, social media,
you know, walking on fire andpunching boards, you know, and
thinking that that's going tochange anything jumping up and
down, it makes you feel fired upin the moment. And as soon as
you go back to your environment,you go right back to the same

(01:15:56):
beliefs again. And you know,now, I don't want to take away
from that. That's changed a lotof lives. It's changed my lives
too. But there's more effectiveways, and then, you know, so if
you're feeling stressed, youdon't want to go home and
journal for two hours, you don'twant to do downward dog yoga
pose and think that that's goingto make life all better. It can
help. But again, that's not, youknow what's cutting it? You

(01:16:19):
gotta upgrade the core,foundational unconscious beliefs
you have, not not good enough,I'm not safe. You can't trust
people. I'm going to be heard,I'm going to be abandoned, I'm
going to be rejected, whichcomes back to I'm not safe and
I'm not good enough, and becauseof that, I won't be loved, which
is ultimately our biggest fear,and so we people have to learn

(01:16:41):
how to learn how to lovethemselves. Anxiety is a fire
alarm that's going off in yourbrain telling you that
something's wrong and you're notgoing to be able to handle it.
And then it starts going off allthe time, even when things are
going good, and it really messesus up. So we've got to
disconnect that we can use ouranxiety to prepare us, but not
scare us. And everybody'sanxious because they don't feel

(01:17:02):
a connection to themselves, theydon't feel connected to others,
they don't feel good enough, andthey feel very lonely. And so we
end up trying to figure out, howdo I get love? How do I escape
these feelings? How do I numbout? And then we go to all the
crap in the world that makes itworse, and then this makes the
devil smile. And so, you know,we got to get back to loving

(01:17:23):
ourselves and loving Jesus andupgrading our beliefs and loving
each other. That is the key toemotional freedom.

Yeah. So for somebody who is at the kind of
the bottom right now, whetherwhether they're homeless and on
fentanyl or maybe it's justsomebody who is unemployed, and
they're just stuck in thisdepression and anxiety, and they
just, they're very, you know,very low right now. How do they
what is the first step to climbout of that pit? What would be

(01:17:54):
the first thing that you'drecommend to do

Tim Shurr (01:17:56):
listening to your show

that's great.

Tim Shurr (01:18:02):
Truly, Chuck the that's the best thing you can
do, because that's where youhave these conversations where
you're like, Oh, I never heardof it that way before. Oh,
that's a cool idea. Oh, that ini Wow. That one idea, that one
insight. You know, I don't lovemyself. Now, I got to make an
admission to how do I lovemyself? I don't believe in
myself. I don't think I'm evenworthy. You know, I work with a
lot of veterans, you know, a lotof veterans, combat veterans,

(01:18:24):
specifically, who have had to doa lot of evil to combat evil,
and then they come back, andthen they have to come to terms
with that, right? And, you know,or they've seen their buddies
blown up, or they've got blownup, and now they have this post
traumatic stress. It's not adisorder, it's something that
anybody would go through, if youwent through the stuff they went
through, and I've been able tohelp them to heal from that

(01:18:45):
lightning fast, instead of goingto the VA where they just give
you barrels of drugs, and whichisn't doing anything except
giving side effects and makingit worse. So the first thing you
do is you listen to a show orsomething like this, to give you
the awareness and the idea thatyou actually there is hope for
you, and there are tools thatare more effective, even if you
feel like you've triedeverything. The second thing you

(01:19:06):
do is you start to ask yourself,what would I have to believe to
feel this way? Why do I have tobelieve to feel that that My
life sucks, or there's no hopefor me or and it's never going
to get better, you know? And youstart looking for what those
beliefs are. And then, really,the third thing is, you got to
connect with somebody else whocan help you. There's so many
there's so many free services,there's so many coaches out
there, because we can't saveourselves, you know, we've got

(01:19:27):
to find somebody who can help usand and so you can do that by
going to church, and you can dothat by finding counselors, and
you can do that by using freeservices, right? But you've got
to take the action. You saidthat early in this interview.
You said, nobody's gonna saveyou. You got to do the work. No
one can do your push ups foryou. And you're 100% right,
Chuck. And so, you know, you theopportunities are here,

(01:19:49):
especially in this country, andso you've got to take that first
action. And in order to takethat first action, you got to
believe at some level, thatyou're worthy of it. And I'm.
Here to tell you you are nomatter what you've been through
in your life. And you know,that's just the first part of
the story. It's what happensnext in your life that makes

(01:20:11):
this, this movie, that you'rein, something that has a happy
ending.

Well, said, Well, I love it so well that, on that
note, I think we should endthis. This is a great
conversation. So the movie iscoming out soon. You've got a
book out now, you've got aYouTube channel, anything, and
then you've got the websitepeople can do. I think you said
group coaching with you, or oneon one,

Tim Shurr (01:20:36):
yes, and, and I've also, we'll put it in the show
notes. But I've got my secrettraining vault. I took all my
trainings I've done over thelast 15 years and put them in
one place so you can just kindof go in there and then find
what problem you want to solve,whether it's confidence or
growing a business, or gettingmotivated, or whatever it may
be, and then, and then you justpick the program, and you go

(01:20:58):
through it, and it gives youlots and lots of free training.
So I call it Tim's secrettraining vault. And you know, if
you subscribe to this podcast,then you know, we could give you
the free link and the shownotes, and you can get access,
and that will show you how touse the power of your mind to
create your life by design. Justremember, you're one belief away

(01:21:20):
from your next big breakthrough.
All

right, I love it.
Thank you so much for doing thisgreat stuff. And yeah, put
everything in the show notes.
Thank you. Okay, bye. Tim,

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