John Corabi Talks New Record, Wild Stories, Celebrity Encounters & much more!

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THEME SONG (00:05):
Rock and rolling through the cool guitars. Chucks
got the questions, digging sosharp, peeling back layers,
hitting the heart.

John Corabi (00:20):
Hey, buddy. Hey, how's it going? I'm alright. How
you doing?

Chuck Shute (00:24):
Great, yeah, beautiful day here in Arizona.
You're in Nashville, right?

Yes, I'm actually sitting in my motor home, in the
back, in my backyard, because mydogs tend to be a little yappy
when I'm trying to do this shit.
So I have a tour bus sized motorhome, and I'm sitting in the
kitchen area of it and havingsome coffee and just, you know,

(00:50):
knocking my interviews out

nice is that a way for you to kind of unwind is
take that motor home and go,like, somewhere where there's
like, off grid, like no Wi Fi,no internet and just like,
unwind and unplug. Well,actually, I've pretty

much all the comforts of home on this thing.
I bought it in 2019 when I leftthe daisies so that I would have
something to comfortcomfortably, get my band to and
from shows and and also takelittle time outs with my wife

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and my dogs and just godifferent places, whatever.
Unfortunately, 2019 and 20, Ididn't do a lot of stuff with my
band here in the States. It wasall overseas, so this basically
sat around useless for that. Butthere's been the quite a few

(01:55):
occasions where my wife and I,like Usually, after a tour, I
will get a hold of my wife, mymother in law, is getting up
there in age, so we'll go down.
We'll pack the dogs up. My wifewill put some clothes on this
thing and put some food in therefrigerator here. Let me see, I

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don't know if you

can see this. Oh yeah, that's nice. Wow, yeah,

no. It's It's pretty crazy, dude, that's the
driving area. Oh yeah. And thenyou can see, I have a full
kitchen. It's messy right nowbecause we're actually putting
stuff on here for a trip thatwe're going to take in a few
weeks. But I have two theaterchairs this kitchen area. It's

(02:41):
like a table. I've got adishwasher. They I guess they
call it a microwave confectionoven, so I can literally cook
like a meatloaf in that thing,whatever I have, 12345, sit

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there, six TVs on this thing,two full bathrooms, each one's
got a shower, and then all theway in the back there is a
washer and dryer for doinglaundry. So we will, which we're
like I said, we're in about twoweeks, we're going to head down

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my wife's family is coming overfrom England to visit her mother
in Florida, so we're going to godown to Florida for about a week
with her family. And then on theway home, I am hitting a bike
rally in Panama City, Florida,uh, it's called Thunder beach,

(03:50):
so it's kind of like Sturgis,but on the beach,

are you Mary, just, uh, there, just for fun, um,

just going down. I got some I got a couple buddies
like Marty. Marty Frederickson,he rides. Doug rides as well.
Unfortunately, Doug can't cometo this one, but I think, I
think Marty may go. I've gotanother friend Wes, he rides,

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and then I've got some friendsfrom Mississippi that are going
a good buddy of mine, Dan DanSmith, Daniel Smith, he's the
one that told me about it. Hegoes, Man, I'm, I'm going to do
this thunder beats thing, dude,you should try and come down.
And I was already in Florida, soI told my wife, I go, You know

(04:39):
what? Fuck it on the way home.
Let's, let's hit this bike rallyand hang out for a few days and
see how much trouble we can getinto. So I'm towing, I'm towing
a couple bikes down and, andwe're just going to go and and
just live the outlaw life for acouple days down in Panama City,
Florida. That.

Yeah, that sounds fun. Do you get, like,
recognized at stuff like that?
Because, I mean, I canunderstand other places. Maybe
people don't know, you know thatscene or whatever, but that
sounds like maybe you might havesome fans there. Like, would
they harass you or ask forpictures and stuff?

You know, I don't know. I mean, I got to be honest
with you, Chuck, like, I'venever I played Sturgis,
obviously. I played with Motleyat this place called Buffalo
Chip, and I played the fullthrottle saloon multiple times
with rat, I believe I playedthere with Union, but I played

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it with the dead daisies aswell. And I don't really go,
like, when you're playing, it'slike you're at the hotel. You
wait this the the crew guys go,Okay, we're good for sound
check. You go over, and then youget tucked into a like a trail

(06:04):
or over a dressing room area,and you just kind of sit there
and wait until you're ready toplay. So I've never really gone
and had the experience of beingable to just go and enjoy, you

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know, because they always havebands playing and music and
stuff like that. So I've neverreally had the opportunity to go
and enjoy it as a spectator. SoI don't know, you know, I'm not
really that worried about it,though, because, you know, in
the grand scheme of things, Ithink that I've always been kind

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of one of these, for lack of abetter term, artists that
people, you know, you'll say thename. You go, Oh, Hi, I'm John.
Oh, John, what John Karabi. Andthey kind of cock their head and
they go, Hmm, why does it whydoes that name sound familiar?

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You know what I mean. So, like,right? I've never been that guy.
Like, on occasion, I will go toa restaurant or a bar, and, you
know, a person or two may comeup to me and go, Hey, are you
chuck Robbie? And I'll go, yeah.
And they're like, oh, fuck, youknow. But it's not like, you
know, crazy, you know, Nikkisix, Vince Neil, Steven Tyler,

(07:33):
Michael Jackson, you know, I'vejust been kind of like, this
dude that floats under theradar. You know what I mean,
even when

you're on, like, let's say like, when you do the
Monsters of Rock cruise likethat is, those are your fans,
like, a lot of those people,like, you're the mayor of the
Monsters of Rock like that. Thenyou're walking around that
cruise. I'm assuming a lot ofpeople are asking for pictures
and stuff. Well,

I used, I used to be the mayor, but I've been
demoted. So yeah, I'm notallowed to do them anymore. I've
been banned. But wait, I didn'thear about you got banned. Yeah,
I'm not, I'm not allowed to dothem anymore. But it's, it's a
long story, dude, it'sunfortunate.

I got 2022, more minutes. Nah,

my it's just a real, it's, you know what? It's
just, it's just a stupid, youknow, political, whatever you
know it is, what it is. Sounfortunately, this guy will not
be doing the Monsters of Rockcruises anytime in the near

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future, as much as I love doingthem, you know. But, yeah, I
would go on the boat, but Ialways had kind of a theory
about the thing, you know. I'vehad a few friends that did them,
and I remember talking to Bobbyblots about this like he was
dreading. He's like, Ah, fuck,you know, I'm going to be

(09:06):
trapped on a boat with, youknow, all the fans and and I'm
like, You know what? Dude,honestly, my wife and I would
always get on the boat, take ourluggage immediately to our room,
drop it off in our room, andthen immediately go to the pool
deck bar. And then I would sitthere, and the first day of the

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cruise, like I was constantly,you know, constantly, people
would come up and go, Hey, dude,can I get a photo with you, but
they were always really prettypolite about it, you know, like
if I was talking to my wife,they would wait till I came up
for air, and then they would go,Oh, hey, John, can I? Can I

(09:51):
trouble you real quick for aphoto? And you know, I'd stand
up my wife would take the photo,and then everybody would go
about their business. And. Itold them, I said, Man, you
know, if you just make yourselfavailable, like, the first day
of the cruise, it's going to be,it's going to be a lot of photos

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and signing shit, but then afterthat, like, I could literally,
by the second, third day, Icould literally walk completely
naked from the front of the boatto the back of the boat, and
nobody would fuck with me.
They'd be like, Oh, hey, dude,what's up? Great show last
night, you know, whatever. Andit was fine. So I always enjoyed
doing those, you know. And, andit was kind of like, you know,

(10:38):
old home week. It was kind oflike a family reunion, seeing a
bunch of people you hadn't seenfor a year, you know what I
mean, and really getting achance to sit down and talk with
them and see how their life wasgoing. And they'd ask how you
were doing, how's Debbie, andhow's he Ian, your son, and, you
know? And it was, it's funnynow, like, I go anywhere I go.

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Now, everybody just wants toknow how my granddaughters are.
You know what I mean, like,because he didn't post things
about him, and I've posted and,you know, so they're just like,
how the grand granddaughters,you know, they're, oh my god,
they're so cute. And, God,they're growing up so fast. And
then it's like, yeah, cool, youknow, whatever weakness. So I

(11:24):
kind of enjoyed doing them, youknow, the cruises. And it was
really only work the first day,and then after that, it was, it
was nothing. Bless you. Sorry,I'm dealing with allergies right
now. It's like,

Yeah, okay. I woke up today and I was like, Oh, I
can't breathe. What's going on?
It's in the air.

Yeah. I literally got home from Europe about a
week and a half ago, and thefollowing I got home about one
o'clock in the morning, I wentto bed and I woke up the next
day and I was sick as a dog forI literally just getting over it
now, and I'm still a littlecongested, but whatever, it's
all good.

Yeah. So, so, yeah, anyways. But, yeah. So new album
you got coming out here with theDVDs, the blues covers, uh, but
I'm guessing that wasn't youridea to do blues, because
you're, you're more of aAerosmith guy, right? I mean,
that's, those are, those areyour, I mean, I know you like
other stuff, but Aerosmith andZeppelin and Beatles, those

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would be, like, if you weregoing to do a cover album, it
would be those three bands.

No, you know. But you this is, this is, you know,
it's kind of crazy when youthink about it, you are right
with those three bands areprobably the biggest influences
on my writing and and where I'mat today. But if you think about

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where they came from, you knowwhat I mean? And it's funny,
because I just did a, I just dida interview earlier, and the guy
kind of asked the same questionthat I said, you know, you know,
the crazy thing about the bluesis is that that is purely an

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American made art form and butAmericans didn't appreciate it
until it got filtered down. Andwhat I say by that is the these,

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these historians were recordingthis stuff, and these record
companies like, you know, SunRecords and stacks records, and
what was the one in Chicago,checker checkers, you know, they
did these albums, and theysomehow made their way through
Merchant Marines and militaryguys over to England and then

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all these bands that I grew uplistening to in The 70s, bands
like Zeppelin, Aerosmith, humblepie, fog hat, they all took
these songs and reworked themand made these unbelievable

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recordings out of these songsand and then brought it back to
America. And we were like, holyshit, you know, like, for
example, you know, when the levybreaks by Led Zeppelin, you
know, if you look at that song,everybody's like, you know, it's

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a closing song on Zeppelin four.
And you know, what an epic song,you know, and, and. Rightfully
so, Led Zeppelin's contributionto that song musically made it
just this powerhouse of of, youknow, awesomeness, but when you
dig and you realize the history,the lyrics and the melody that

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Robert plan is singing wasactually written in 1929 by
Memphis Mini and there wasanother songwriter, and they
wrote that song about a flood ofthe Mississippi River in the

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south 1927 that killed 1000s ofpeople and wiped out all these
communities. And they wrote thesong when the levy breaks about
the flood in 1927 they wrote thesong in 29 Zeppelin found it,
took it, and they put theirmusic to the song and just made

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it this powerhouse ending of ofZeppelin Ford, same with in my
time of dying, was also an oldblue song called Jesus make my
dying bed. Um, you know, foghats, I just want to make love

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to you. It's an old blues songthat they just made their own
terror playing blues. They did aRobert Johnson song. You know,
there were so many, hold on. Igotta find you. I am. I lost
you. Where'd you go? So I don't

know what happened.
No, it's this,

I can hear you, fine. Yeah, I know. Let me, let
me see if I can find this. Wait,where did you go? There you are,
yeah, here we are. I it's weirdwhen I get another call, it
freezes everything. So, youknow, all these bands that I
grew up listening to, you know,they introduced, I'm not a blues

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aficionado by by no stretch ofthe imagination, but we kind of
this became a happy accidentwith us doing this thing because
we were actually recording thelight em up record, and we
wanted to go down to famestudios and Muscle Shoals.
There's a story there as well.
If you listen to the last verseof Sweet Home Alabama by

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Skinner, he says Muscle Shoalshas got the Swampers. And then
Netflix did a documentary on thewhole muscle Shoal sound a few
years back, and we all watchedit. We all saw it. We were
fascinated by it. So all of us,at one point, we said to our

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manager, man, it'd be reallygreat if we could ever fucking
get down to like Muscle Shoalsand hit one of those old
studios, and,

oh, you froze again. Shit, I don't know if
that's my Oh, you're back. Okay,yeah, yeah, Muscle Shoals, yeah,
definitely legendary studio.
Yeah, it was

and, and. And the thing that's weird about it, you
know, I'm sorry this is a bit ofa long answer, but the reason
why, another reason why wewanted to go, is because the
first studio started. It wascalled fame. The Swampers became
like the legendary house band ofthat studio. Couple of those

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guys left and started anotherstudio across town on it on a it
was called Jackson highway.
Can't remember the address, butthere's another Muscle Shoals
studio. And then after that onebecame equally as famous, some
of the guys came to Nashvilleand started a third studio,
which is the studio that MartyFrederickson bought when he came

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to Nashville, which we've beenrecording in for years. We did
make some noise there. We didburn it down there, and then
light them up. Was recordedthere, and at the other studio
fame. So there was a bit of ahistory there as well. But when
we went down, we were just kindof jamming and fucking around.

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And, you know, we'd take dinnerbreaks and then just start
drinking and, you know, wine,whiskey, edibles, whatever was
available. And we'd startjamming and, and it was kind of
like, well, what do you know?
What do you want? What do Iknow? Blah, blah. And it was all
stuff like Crossroads or bornunder a bad sign, you know, just

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like these standards. And Martykept everything rolling, and we
were listening back to it like.
And it sounds pretty cool. So wedecided, You know what, while
we're here, let's fucking do ablues record as well. That thing
our manager, when we talked withhim about it, he goes, Yeah, I

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think this is a great idea, butthere's two things, make sure
you make it your own, which Ithink we accomplished. The
second thing was try and keepsongs that people are familiar
with. So what we did was, it'slike I could literally go

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through the list of songs thatare on the record and tell you
exactly where I heard them thefirst time. You know, Crossroads
was cream and Leonard Skinner,born under a bad sign, was cream
and Pat travers, you know, like,obviously walking the dog is,

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you know, fucking Rufus Thomas,but also Aerosmith. That's the
first time I ever heard of thatsong. You know, when I first
heard walking the dog, I thoughtit was an Aerosmith song, but
it's a cover. So we, we decidedto keep that, that whole kind of
mindset. But you know, ourmantra was, you know, very

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similar to what Zeppelin didwith when the levy breaks, or in
my time of dying, we said, allright, how,

hello. Oh, I lost you.

Everything's working here. Oh,

here we go. Okay, sorry,

you know. So, you know, we kind of kept it, you
know, how would, what wouldZeppelin do? You know what I
mean. So we just kind of triedto take the songs in a little
bit of a different direction,yeah. So, you know, abuse a
blues purest may go, Ah, fuck,man. They're using Marshalls,

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and they're using this and, youknow, it's a bit aggressive, you
know, but even back in the day,I mean, I remember when Zeppelin
first came out, a lot of peoplewere fucking pissed at them for
their take on these bluesclassics, like they were like,
Oh my God, they're fuckingruining them. They're

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bastardizing these songs, youknow. So we said, You know what?
Fuck it, we'll do the samething. Who cares? Yeah, will you
perform these

live too, or is this just a one off album, and
then that's not

we're we're at we've actually been doing a
couple of the songs last yearwhen we were on tour, we did, we
did, I'm ready. And this lastrun we did in Europe, we did
crossroads, because we had thesingle out, but we did

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crossroads and I'm going down,which again, I'm going down is,
you know, obviously, it's aFreddie King song, you know. But
I became aware of that throughJeff Beck his his version of it,
you know. So it's just,honestly, this blues thing. It

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was a happy accident. And it'sour tip of the hat to, as you
know, we've always done a tip ofthe hat to the bands we grew up
listening to, but this is nowour tip of the hat to the bands
that influenced the bands thatwe grew up listening to.

Yeah, no, that's fun. That's cool. That's a I
mean, you've been so manydifferent bands over the years.
One thing I wanted to ask youreal quick, though, because I
know I got a few minutes, butI've had you This is like, the
third time I had you on, and wenever get to union. I've never
asked you a question of union.
And I had a bunch of questionsfor you from last time you're
on, because about your book, andyou mentioned in union that I
never knew that that Nikki wasthe one that hooked you up with

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Bruce to start that band.

Well, I mean, I knew Bruce prior to that, my
wife at the time, was the hairand makeup artist for Niels los
hour. So I had met Bruce throughthat, but then him and Nikki
were really good friends. So,you know, if Nikki had a
birthday party for one of hiskids, or had a barbecue at his

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house, Bruce and his wife wouldbe there all the time. I would,
I would be there, you know. Andwe would sit, we would bullshit,
you know. So when the wholething went down, where they
brought Vince back, it's. Uh, Ido know that at some point,
Nicky had called Bruce and putthe bug in his ear and said, You

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know what, dude like you andKarabi are really into a lot of
the same shit, like Zeppelin andmountain and and cream and, you
know, just all these, you know,old 70s legendary acts, like, I

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think you guys could write somecool shit together. So, and then
he actually called me and saidthe same thing. And we're like,
yeah, okay, whatever you know.
And then Bruce called me, andhe's like, Hey, dude, you know,
what are you doing? So I wentdown to his house, and, you
know, the funny thing about thatwhole situation with Union was

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Bruce and I were literally goingthrough all of the same things
at the same time. We both losthuge gigs for one reason or
another. His wife decided that,you know, she needed spreader

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wings and go in a differentdirection. I had a girlfriend at
the time who had decided thatshe needed some space to focus
on her career. So we'reliterally sitting in a room and
we're writing these songs aboutkarma, love gone wrong, you
know, who am I? You know what Imean? And it was just really,

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you know, I think Bruce and Iwere meant to do union as
fleeting and as brief as it was,it was therapeutic for both of
us. We never really split up. Itwasn't that we didn't get along.
We just weren't making anymoney. That band was a band that

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was writing. I thought therecords were pretty cool, yeah,
but nobody was playing them likewe could not, literally could
not get arrested in America,which you know, and I know, and
if you're in the music industry,America is that's the cash cash
cow, right? And

I know only I got a couple more minutes. And then
the other band I never got toask you about, you wrote about
in your book too, was the bridesof destruction, which I think
Nikki just posted about, thatsaid this was a fun project, and
I know that you left because youwere cut out of the songwriting
process, but like, you neversaid, like, who cut you? Was it
Nikki that cut you off? Or wasit Tracy? Or was it when they

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brought the new singer in? Orwhat it was

just a weird situation, I don't know, because
I've talked to Nikki about it,you know, in the past, and he
said it was Tracy. But then Italked to Tracy, and Tracy said
it was Nikki. I have no fuckingidea, nor do I care. You know
what? I mean, it wasn't like,you know, honestly, though, to
be quite frank with you, like wewere doing songs at a place

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called clown studios in CulverCity with a buddy of ours, Steve
O and, you know, we'd go in,we'd work up two or three songs,
lay them down, and theneverybody would go away, and
then come back, and we'd work uptwo or three more and, you know,
but it was weird. Like, my beefabout the whole thing was, it

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was just all over the place,and, and I know this doesn't
make any sense, because I loveeclectic records.

Yeah, me too, but, but to me, the

it was like it was more than eclectic. It was just
weird, like there was some songslike, you know, shut the fuck up
was like it was almostborderline punk. And then we had
a ballad on there that justsounded like a fucking like a

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throwaway 80s ballad. You knowwhat I mean. And then we had
this one song called Life, whichI thought was great. It sounded
like, you know, early MotleyCheap Trick. It just had, like,
this cool, kind of snottyattitude. But it was, it was a

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really cool song, and I thoughtthat song was the most radio
friendly song on the record, butit was the one song that London
didn't think. Oh, and I wasarguing. I'm going wait a
minute, like, you know ScottyCoogan to this day, like, I'm
friends with Scotty. I see himall the time, and I'm like,

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Dude. He sang his ass off onthat track. It's Scotty Coogan
singing. But I went back, andI'm like, hold on a minute,
like, this is our first fuckingrecord. And it's like, you guys
are saying that this lead singeris the greatest fucking lead
singer you guys have ever workedwith, but the one song that's
got the biggest shot at Radio.
He's not singing. The drummer ishuh? And it may it just the

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whole thing was just like, andso we, oops, Rose, yeah,

but you have to go at 1230 I want to unless, no,
no, no, I'm good. I'm good. Oh,you're good. Okay, cuz I a lot
more questions for you.

So that's fine. We Oh, cool. You can go a little
longer, okay, but, um, Bob Rockwas going to produce the first
record, and, like, it wasalmost, it was almost like Bob
Rock took whatever notes I hadabout the record, and just he

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listened to the whole thing, allthe demos, and almost verbatim,
went through song by song, andhis critiques were very similar
to what I had been saying thewhole time. And I think the rub
when we were sitting there wasme, Nicky and Tracy. We had

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breakfast with Bob. He listenedto the record, and he did this
whole thing. But then at the endof the meeting, he goes, I'm
gonna pass. I think you guysneed to write some more. And
then he looked at me and Nikki,he goes, You guys need to write.
And he looked at me and Nikki,and he said, I know you too can

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do better than this interesting.
And so I was like, okay, cool.
We left. We're like, sucks. Hedoesn't really want to do the
record. And then literally,like, it was like, a day or two
later, Nikki called me on thephone and he goes, Hey, crab,
here's the deal. What's going tohappen is, and now this is

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Nikki's words. He said, Tracydoesn't like writing with you,
so Tracy and I are going towrite the riffs. We're going to
rehearse them up with Scotty.
Scott Coogan, the drummer, we'regoing to rehearse these up with
Scotty, and then we'll bring youin London, in and we'll just

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teach you guys the parts. And atfirst, I was like, All right,
you know, whatever. Okay, youknow. Okay, cool. And I was, I
gotta be honest, that I was alittle pissed. So I got off the
phone, and then I thought aboutit for a few minutes. And now,
on top of everything, with therecord, I again, I apologize at

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the length of my answer. On topof that, I was also going
through a divorce my second one.
You know, it was like all thisweird shit was going on just
with me, like money wise, anddivorces and lawyers and and I

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said to I sat and I thoughtabout what Nikki said, and I
just went, you know what? I'mnot into this, like I'm just
going through the motions withthis band. So I picked the phone
back up. I called Nikki, and Isaid, Hey, six, it's crab.

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Listen. I thought about whatyou're doing, and you know what?
I'm just gonna bail. I'm gonnaI'm gonna take some time off,
and I'm going in a differentdirection, like I, if I can't
contribute, I don't wantanything to do with this, this
scenario. And he was like, and,okay, well, that sucks, dude.

(34:06):
You know he understood, though.
And then to be honest with you,if you read my book,

yeah, this is what.
This is when you became a truckdriver, yeah, I

just said, You know what, I'm I'm gonna go through
something else for a littlewhile. I need to clear my head.

But did you apply for Atlantis Morris? That a job
with her, but he didn't get it.
Well,

that was prior to this. Okay, that's how I found
out my second wife was cheatingon me.

One more you had the pictures. It was the guy
from dope. Yeah, necktie. I waslike, Dude, that part of the
book was wild.

Yeah. I was like, you know, it's a long story, but
how

do you get by that?
Like, do you have to getreleases from these people when
you, I mean, because you're,this is the truth, so they can't
sue you unless it's, it's youmade it up, right? Pretty

much. Okay? You know it's like, and you know
what, dude, sue me. I could usethe press. You know what I mean?
I'm like, I don't, I don'treally give a shit. You know
what I mean. But it was funny,like, I did this. I did I made,
I was making a resume forAtlantis marsette. Okay? And I,
anybody that knows me knows I amnot computer literate. So I

(35:23):
don't know what I did, but therewas a laptop, and I had a little
office with a little studio, andthere was a laptop there
connected to a printer, and Imade this resume for Alanis
marsette, her manager had calledme and asked me to make a

(35:44):
resume. So I said, All right,cool. So I made it, and then I
went to send it or print it,like make a a scan or something,
you know what I mean. And I didthis thing, and this window
opened on the left side of thecomputer, it was like, all this

(36:04):
shit. And I'm looking, I go,What the fuck? And I click on
it, and it was like a photo thatmy ex wife had sent of herself,
like nude to this guy, and I'mlike, why? And then so I went to
the print I printed it, and thenI went to the next one, and it

(36:29):
was like, and then I found outthat, you know, she was in
Atlanta at a convention, and shewas only supposed to be gone a
day or two. But then I found outall this shit, like she had
literally bought him a ticket tocome down and meet her in
Atlanta and yada yada yada. So Ijust said, All right, I'm gonna

(36:51):
have a little fun with this. Soright now, I'm sitting at home,
just got home from tour, and I'mgonna, I'm gonna have a little
fun with this. I called thehotel that she was in. She
didn't answer the call when Iasked for a room number. So I
called back to the hotel, and Iasked the people at the front

(37:12):
desk, could you please leave amessage under my wife's door,
tell her there's an emergency athome, and she needs to call
home. So about 20 minutes later,my phone rang. I was in LA. She
was in Atlanta, and it'sprobably, I don't know, 1112,

(37:34):
o'clock in LA, and I just did itto fuck with her. But I called.
When she called, she goes, Hey,I just got a note that there's
an emergency and Is everythingokay. And she's like, Baby Doll
and me and you know what's up?
And I said, Oh, I'm just wantedto let you know I'm packing. I'm

(37:55):
coming to Atlanta to hang outwith you for a few days. And her
voice was like, Wait, hold on,yeah, I'm really busy, like, I'm
doing this convention. And I wasjust like, yeah, no, you're not.
And I'm just letting you knowthat I'm on my way, and when I

(38:15):
get there, I'm going to killeverybody in the room, and I
hung the phone up, oh, theychecked out of the hotel. They
went to a different hotel, andit was just cool. And I had the
last lap, so I just spent thewhole rest of the weekend
packing all her shit up andleaving it at the front door. So
I had fun with that. That wasawesome. That's

crazy, because you think like, you're more like the
rock star, like, you think therock stars are the horrors, you
know, and they're the cheaters,and all of a sudden, like, then
you is like, you're like, you'relike, being the good guy. It was
like, your wife that wascheating, that broke up that
marriage. Like, that's kind oflike, seems backwards to me.
Listen,

you know what, dude, and in everybody's
defense, like, you know, yeah,you're right. Usually it's the
musician, but at the end of theday, dude, I'm in a business
where I'm gone all the time, youknow what I mean. And I just saw
this joke, this comedian did ajoke, and he's like, yeah, he's
like, my wife's a, you know,psychologic psychology major,

(39:19):
and she argues with me all thetime, you know. And his joke
was, I was arguing with herabout why we needed the pool
boy, and she just said to me,Oh, you're just, you know,
you're just threatened. Yourmasculinity is threatened.
Because she's a psychologymajor, she's giving him all
these reasons, you know why hismasculinity is being threatened.

(39:43):
And you know, this young virileboy is like, you know, yada yada
yada. And he goes, Yeah, myargument was, you know, we don't
have a pool, you know, it'slike, you know. But you know,
when you're a comedian, you'rean actor, you're fucking.
Musician, you know, humannature, dude, like, I'm gone,

(40:05):
which is one of the reasons whyI left the dead daisies. You
know what I mean, I was like, Ijust got work

around with your family and your son, right? Yes,

you know what I mean, it was weird. It was, No,
I you know this, this is wifenumber three. You know, she was
fine, but it was like I was justsitting there going, all right,
I've painted this picturebefore. I've done this before,
where I was gone so much that itled the other person to being
either lonely or somethingstressful happens at the house,

(40:39):
you know, and they turn to afriend or whatever, and you
find, you know what I mean? It'sit happens, it's yeah, you know.
It's nothing unusual. It's, youknow. And then there's youth, my
my, you know, even my wife. NowI'm, I'm not much older than my
wife, but I'm older than mywife. You know what I mean, that
that wife was fuck. I was 20years older than her, you know

(41:03):
what I mean. So I'm gone. She'sin her fucking early to mid 20s,
you know. And I'm I'm fuckinggone, you know, eight, 910,
months a year, you know,whatever. So it was, you know,
I'm not mad. I'm not I, youknow, again, I don't have any
regrets. I just think it's afunny story now, but, you know,

(41:24):
it was a little devastating atthe moment it was happening.
But, you know, Shayla V man,live and learn.

What about there's another, there's another
relationship you had after that.
I think you mentioned her in thebook Ashley, right? You, you
dated her for a while. She wasthe one that kind of told you
that, hey, you have this musicaltalent that you're not using.
It's a shame. Well,

she didn't look first of all, you know, I am a
very spontaneous person, and Ijust was looking at, now this
is, I'm going through thisdivorce with, the second girl.
You know, I get the offer. I wason tour with rat.

(42:10):
I get the offer to join Thebrides of destruction. So I'm
doing rat and the brides ofdestruction. Basically we were
just writing when I had time offand rehearsing. Well, then all
of a sudden, rat takes a yearoff. Now I'm going through this
divorce, I'm in the thick of it,and I'm doing the shit with the

(42:32):
brides of destruction, which Itotally again, wasn't totally
sure of like, what direction wewere going in, where that was
leading, and I had already, atthis point, I was so frustrated.
La, you know, I don't know ifyou've ever lived in. La,

no, I visited it. I was actually just there around
the time the Oscars. And it's

changed. It was it, well, it has, but when I was
there, it was like, fuck dude.
It was like, you know, I'm goingthrough here's divorce number
two, you know, the, you know,there was still a lot of stuff
happening on the strip, likeSunset Strip and, you know, all
this shit, but I just kind offelt like I was in a rut. I was

(43:22):
in like this, you know what Imean? And I knew I had off a
year, so I just said, Formultiple reasons, I need, I just
need to do something different.
I need to shake things up alittle bit. So to be honest with

(43:45):
my first choice, you know,there's the old adage, or the
old stories about guys like BobDylan and Woody Guthrie just
jumping on a box car and drivingaround America like a hobo in a
box car. So my first choice was,you know, what I'm gonna see if

(44:08):
I can, you know, go work for therailroad for a little bit. Maybe
ride a, you know, ride in thecaboose. Or, you know, go, do,
go do that for a few months.

It took five years to be a train conductor? Yeah,

it was crazy. It was like, You need all this
training. And, yeah, you know?
So then I was like, Okay, well,all right, well, I've always
been fascinated with trains andtrucks. So I said, You know
what, I'm so I made some phonecalls, and I'm like, How long
does it take to get a driver'slicense for a truck? And pretty

(44:42):
much across the board, they werelike, I don't know, a month. And
I'm like, oh, that's doable. SoI took money and I just enrolled
myself in the school. So whenNikki called me. Yeah, and he
said, We don't need you to writeanymore. He told me, Tracy
doesn't want to write with you.

(45:07):
Late, years later, I talked toTracy about it. Tracy's like, I
never said that. Dude sick saidhe didn't want to write with
you. So I'm like, whateverthat's between you, you guys to
figure out. All I know is theband said they don't want to
write with me, and so I justsaid, You know what, I'm out. I
got something else in mind thatI'm going to go do. So at that

(45:29):
point, I gave Nikki myresignation. I said, Thanks for
the offer. Love you. I'm out.
And I took, like, I don't know,3500 bucks, and I went and I got
the fucking driver's license.
And it wasn't two days after Ipassed the driving test. I did

(45:53):
the same thing again, someresumes. Sent them out, and I
got it. I got it. I get a gigdriving around with some other
dude in a truck, and we justdrove around America for fucking
seven, eight months. And thenWarren D Martini called said,
Hey, dude, we're going out withpoison. And I was like, okay,

(46:18):
and I told the guy said, let'sgo back to the office. I gotta
turn my fucking shit in. Andthat's when everybody that I was
working with for the last sevenor eight months realized that I
had sang with motley crew andrat I never told anybody. I just
was like, I was just some guythat was like, hanging out and I

(46:39):
played guitar. I'd literally sitin the back. He would go in and
get a shower, go get some food,and I would just sit in the back
pluck a guitar, and, you know,whatever. I just, so I just, I
just lived a gypsy lifestyle forlike, seven, eight months, nine
months. But

so was that, that Ashley, girl that you dated for
a while, she because, did shenot inspired? Did she not
encourage you? She said you weregiven musical talent and you're
not using Yeah, well, there

was a point where, so I'm, I'm kind of so I for a
period of time, I did drive withanother driver. There was two of
us in the truck at all times.
But then there was a point whereI was like, fuck, man, I'm I'm
never home. Like, I wanted tosee my kid, so I worked out a
thing where I drove from LA toPhoenix, back to LA, back to

(47:32):
Phoenix. I just did that allweek, and they call it a
designated run. So you just dothe same run all the time, okay?
And at one point, I asked ifthat girl actually could ride

(47:53):
with me, and my boss goes, Yeah,dude, you know, I just had to
get an insurance waiver, youknow, and then she jumped in the
car, and I had never discussedmusic or anything with her. She,
when I first met her, she didn'teven realize that I was in, had
been in Motley or rat or any ofthat stuff. And so we're sitting

(48:17):
in the truck, and she asked. Shegoes, You know, I don't really
know. I know you play music,because I used to always go to
the cat club and jam.

She goes, You know, she was a waitress at the cat
club, right?

Yes, and I don't know. I don't know if I had a CD
player in the truck or not, butI wound up playing her some
music and some new music I hadwritten and recorded. And she
was listening to this, and thenshe looked at me, and she goes,

(48:59):
the fuck are you doing? And Igo, What are you talking about?
She goes, like she listened tosome union stuff and some Motley
stuff and the scream and some ofthe new shit that I was working
on. And she goes, I don'tunderstand what you're doing,

(49:19):
like you were literally put onearth to do this. Why are you
doing this? You know what Imean? And I go, I don't know,
just clearing my head. There'snothing wrong with that. Like
stepping back from something andlooking at it again. And you
know what I mean? She was like,you need to, you need to get out

(49:43):
and fucking play music, likewhatever. So once again, you
know, I, but I, you know,whatever, I dropped her off at
home, and, you know, I went andI did my thing. And it was
another month or two, I just satthere, and then rat called. And.
And said, We're going back outon the road. And I was like, All

(50:04):
right, cool. And then afterthat, there was a few times
where I was on tour with rat,where I flew her out. She came
and hung out with me for a fewdays, and she goes, Okay, now I
get it now, like, you know, buthonestly, no, the truck thing,
dude, was just, it was a resetfor me, sure. You know what? I

(50:27):
mean, that's all

that's been so, is this a true story too, though,
is that the girl that you dated,Ashley? Did she end up marrying
Larry David, the the comedian,the creator of Seinfeld? Is that
a true story, or is that? Yeah.
How

do you know this. I know everything, dude, yeah, I'm
sure, yeah. But now we're stillfriends. We're actually, it's
funny because I have like, Istill, I not a lot. You know,
it's not like we talk every day,but every now and then,

(51:02):
something will pop up and I'llcomment on one of her photos or
something on Instagram and but Ijust saw something. There's a
Larry David fan page, and I'vebeen noticing on this fan page
that they're posting some like,really crazy photos of like,

(51:27):
naked girls. And I'm like,That's kind of weird. So I sent
it to because I know how likefans do pages for you, though,
somebody will do a fan page,John coravi fan page or
whatever. It's not my page. It'stheir page. Yeah, and they can,

(51:50):
they can basically do whateverthey want. But I just, you know,
Larry's in a completelydifferent stratosphere than I
am, and so I just kind of took asnapshot of this naked girl, and
I sent it to Ashley, and I go,Hey, just for the record, like,

(52:12):
I don't know if Larry's aware ofthis, but you may want to let
him know that there's a LarryDavid fan page that's posting
like, some pretty risque fuckingphotos that I know Larry would
not appreciate, right? And so I

see what happens as those things get those pages get
hacked. It's probably not eventhe person that started the Page
Well,

I guess, apparently it was a page that somebody
owned, and they sold the page,and now the new owner is just
whatever. So I just said, Hey,you know, just from one artist
to another, like, Hey, this ishappening, you know, but she

(52:54):
appreciated it. She said, Yeah,he's pissed about it. So I go. I
just wanted to bring it to hisattention, and I haven't met him
yet, but, um, I've been invitedthe next time I'm in LA to come
to have dinner with them. Andreally, yeah, no, we're still
friends. Dude, he knows that sheused to date me. I don't know.

(53:15):
And, and

when you when you Google it, I was like, this is
like, not I feel like this is abig news story. Like, maybe
nobody cares. I know, I thoughtit's not.

And, you know, and the funny thing is, like, even,
even some of the dead daisiesguys, they've met her, like,
anytime we were in LA, she wouldcome and hang out, you know, at
the hotel that we stay at, and,you know, they have a hotel bar
there. So she would come with acouple girlfriends or whatever.
But it's funny, years ago, youknow, without getting too crazy

(53:51):
here, but apparently, years ago,not apparently, definitely, when
we were living together. Thegirl actress from the wedding,
yeah, the wedding crasher. He's

like, her friend or something, right? That's how,
yes,

they went to school together. There was, like, this
little clique of girls that wentto school together at the
university, American Universityin Paris, and they were all
friends. So Isla would come overto our house all the time. You
know, she was married to Sasha.
I had been to their house ofBaron Cohen Bora, after people
who don't know, yeah, yes. Andwe had been to their house. And

(54:35):
it's like this really incestualthing, like they were renting a
house in Beverly Hills that usedto belong to Roger Taylor from
Queen was renting them thehouse, you know what I mean? So
it was like his house and wow,you know so and we would go over
for, you know, dinner and stuff.

(54:56):
We went over one time fordinner. They were having a.
What's the Jewish holiday,Shabbat, whatever. And so we had
dinner with them, and and, andthat's how she met Larry, like
apparently, Ashley went in adifferent direction. She was
doing all these little odds andends jobs and all. She was a

(55:17):
waitress, and then eventuallyshe was a writer. She started
working with Sasha with his TVshows and his movies, and then
they had a dinner one night attheir house. And you know,
Ashley was doing very well onher own, and they just had a

(55:38):
dinner, and she was sitting nextto Larry David, and they just
struck up this conversation.
They were pissing themselveslaughing the whole time, and
they wound up, they wound updating, and just, you know, now
they're married, so, you know,good on them. You know what I
mean, it's, it's all good, andthere's nothing but the utmost
respect. She, she adores my kidsand my grandkids and my my wife

(56:04):
and and it's all respect, allall good, and we're pals. You
know what? I mean? It's likeagain, I don't talk to her every
day, but, you know, every nowand then I'll send her a
message. She'll send mesomething funny, or, you know,
whatever. I'll ask how she'sdoing and, but it's, you know.

(56:24):
But when I get to LA, you know,she'll like, are you in LA, yes,
you know, you know where I'mstaying. And then she'll call
and whatever. And the last timeI was there, they invited me
over for dinner, but I wasn't intown long enough to actually go
and sit down and have dinnerwith them. But all good. That

(56:48):
would

be an interesting day. I just because, like, I'm a
big fan of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
I'm like, I wonder how much he'slike that in real life. Like to
actually sit down to have a realdinner with him. Like, is it
like being on an episode of thatshow? Or is like, you

know, to be honest, I've never met him, so I
couldn't really have you watchedcurb, you know what? Honestly, I
don't really watch much TV atall. I'm not really, and it's
funny, because I've got friendsthat are like, dude, oh my god.

(57:26):
Like, when you know, they allfound out Ashley went up Mary
and Larry. They're like, Dude,you got to watch fucking curb.
Yeah? And it's like, you know, Iwant to, but it's like, I almost
don't want to, because I don'twant to go in as a fan, you know
what I mean. So I'm not like, Ilove watching I love watching

(57:50):
movies. I'm more about like Ilove more than anything,
documentaries. I just watchedthat one or biopic. I just
watched that biopic on

Bob Dylan. Now, did you see the actual the new
movie, the one that's like ascripted one that was good too.
That's

the one that I just watched, I watched it yesterday,
and, and it's funny, because Ilove that kind of shit, because,
you know, or the queen one, or,you know, I love that kind of
stuff. So, but I gotta behonest, I don't watch much. I
think the last actual TV showthat actually showed any real

(58:44):
interest in was probably Sons ofAnarchy. Is So how long ago was
that? You know what? I mean, Ireally don't

love hearing the stories, the connections and
stuff like you have, there's abunch of this stuff in your
book. Well, this is the one thatwas interesting. One of that was
it, one of the guys from SouthPark was the cameraman for the
music video on hooligansholiday, yeah.

I don't remember which one, but he was, he was
the, he was the cameraman forhooligans holiday, yeah. And it
was weird. I didn't even knowthat, but another musician
friend of mine knows him, and hewas like, dude, like, you know,

(59:26):
I don't, I don't even know thatthe two guys names that, Ray
Parker, Matt Stone, yeah, Ithink it was Matt, okay, and
apparently, curly fro,

I couldn't, wonder, okay. Couldn't tell you,

dude, that was, you know, fuck 1990 fucking three
four, yeah, sure, you know. Andit was, I just remember, I just
remember, I know the director ofthe video was Nick Egan, and we
hired him because he had justdone ordinary world by Duran.
Duran. That was a cool song.
Yeah, that was a great tune.

(01:00:02):
It's one of my favorites. And weloved the video. Tommy and I
fucking just were like, Oh myGod, this video is fucking
brilliant. So we hired NickEgan, and he put the whole team
together, and we just showed up,we did the video, and we left.
And years later, and I want tosay it might have been Brent

(01:00:25):
Fitz, but Brent Fitz is like,Hey, dude, did you know you know
the dude from fucking SouthPark, and you know Matt and I
go, what he goes? Yeah, dude, Imet him. We were at a party, and
he was the camera operator forfucking hooligans holiday. Let's

(01:00:46):
go. I have no way to prove it,but that's what I was told.
Yeah,

Chuck Shute (01:00:52):
that's you have to go. It's one. Now, do you have
another one at one? Or you keepgoing? No, you're good. Oh,
sweet. I love this is great,yeah, because there's another
thing in the book. I don'tremember if there was much of a
story, but you hung out withDave Grohl in London around this
time too. It's very brief

John Corabi (01:01:08):
yet Tommy and I, we, we, the whole band, was
staying at a place called the StJames hotel in Paris. And, uh,
uh, yeah, it was weird. ButTommy and I were like, oh, let's
take a walk. I just remember itwas snowing, and we were maybe,

(01:01:36):
maybe four city blocks away fromthe Eiffel Tower. So we took a
walk. We took a walk down there,and it's, you know, it was
snowing, and it was likeFebruary or March, because we

(01:01:58):
went over and we did press forit was we did Milan Madrid,
Munich. We did five cities,Milan Munich, Madrid, London and

(01:02:26):
somewhere else, I don't know,but any, oh, in Paris, Duh,
yeah. So we walked down to thewe're walking to the Eiffel
Tower, and we're standing on thecorner. It's snowing, and there
was all these, like outdoor,kind of tables and coffee shops.

(01:02:46):
And somebody yelled, talk me.
And we turned around, and Davegirl ran up, and we just started
bullshitting with him. And wekind of looked over, and there
was a dude sitting at the tablewhere, you know, and it was
Kurt, and they were just outhaving a coffee or something,

(01:03:08):
and, and then it was weird. Itwas, like, a month later, maybe
I again, I'm a little vague onthe time frame, but they were
over there, and it wasn't thatlong after that where I
apparently Kurt had that issue,where he was in Paris, and he

(01:03:32):
had maybe taken some sleepingpills and champagne or
something, And and then he kindof had to check himself into a
rehab or whatever. But we, yeah,we saw them. He was sitting on
the thing, and Dave came runningover and him and Tommy started
talking drums, and, you know,all this weird, and I just sat

(01:03:55):
there like a bump on the log andKurt wasn't much more of, you
know, he was kind of very quietand not very talkative either.
And, you know, and then we'relike, All right, see you guys
later. And we just went aboutour business and then went back
to the hotel. I

wonder how, yeah, it's interesting, because, like,
at that time, I remember it wasjust such a rift between the
grunge and the quote, unquote80s acts or whatever. So it's
interesting that Tommy wasfriends with with Dave Grohl.
I'm curious to hear all that. Idon't really

think there was, you know, it was weird, because
even when we were doing thatrecord, you know, there really
wasn't a rift. It's what peopleperceived to be a rift, you

(01:04:51):
know, you had a bunch of, youknow, and I'll call it milk
toast. But even, even. I justsaw an interview with Ricky
rocket the other day, and he wastalking about, you know, they
they were talking about the thewhole thing with Nirvana coming
back into or, you know, blowingup when it did. And he goes, You

(01:05:17):
know, that's kind of somethingthat has to happen with the
music industry every so manyyears, because you have, like,
the bands that kind of are verysuccessful and they they make a
name for themselves. You know,the motleys and the Bon Jovis

(01:05:37):
and the def leppards and thepoisons. You know, Hanoi rocks,
you know, and then, and thenthere's the fucking 1000 other
bands that record labels sign,like that band or the, you know,
even Guns and Roses. It was likeyou could see the shift when

(01:05:59):
Guns and Roses got signed.
Everybody was dressing likepoison on the Sunset Strip. And
then the minute Guns and Rosesgot signed, everybody put their
spandex and their fuckingleopard print away, and they
started wearing like motorcyclejackets with denim vests over
them. And, you know, so I getwhat he was saying, but it I

(01:06:22):
remember when we were doing theMotley record, when we were in
Vancouver, all the dudes fromPantera came to the studio to
hear What we were doing. Theyhad a show that night at the
Commodore, which is a huge venuein Vancouver, and they came to

(01:06:47):
the studio. I don't know whetherTommy invited him, Nikki Bob
Rock, whatever, but they came tolittle mountain, and we sat and
we played them a bunch of shitthat we were working on. And
they were like, fuck dude, thisis fucking awesome. And then
Tommy and I went to the showthat night to see them at the

(01:07:11):
Commodore. And it's funnybecause they did a home video,
like a DVD thing. I don't knowif it was from the they were
still touring, I believe on thecowboys from hell record.

Oh, it wasn't vulgar display power at that
point. I don't

know. I'm not sure, because I know vulgar display
came out right around the sametime as our record came out, we
were still working on the Motleyrecord in Vancouver when it came
up. So they may have been stilltouring on the album prior to
vulgar display. Is

this when they they spiked your drink with ecstasy
and heroin?

No, that was, that was later. Okay, this is where
Tommy and I went to the show,and we were backstage with them,
and they shaved Tommy's head.
Oh, okay. And it's on the video.
He's like, do it, bro. Fuck Doit. Do it. And fucking Phil
completely shaves his head. Wow.
And then they turn to me, andthey're like, come on, bro,

(01:08:21):
you're next. And I go, Fuckthat, dude. I ain't doing this
shit. Fuck you guys. No way. SoTommy showed up to the studio
the next day looking like a Qtip. And, you know, but then
later our record was finished.
We had been to Europe to do abunch of press, and we came

(01:08:43):
back, and then the guys invitedus to come to Dallas to
celebrate. It was either dime orvinny's birthday. So we flew to
Dallas and we hung out withthose guys. And again, it's my

(01:09:04):
dumb ass. I was more mad atTommy than the Pantera guys
because they asked me, butthey're like, you know, they
picked us up at the airport in alimousine, and it was dime
Vinnie Rex and somebody else.
Phil wasn't there. He was in NewOrleans, so they picked us up at

(01:09:31):
the airport, and they had abottle of Crown Royal. And
they're like, Hey, dude, wantedexcellent shot. And I'm like,
Yeah, okay, whatever. You know,I'm not. I wasn't a drug guy, so
I didn't, I didn't. I'm like, Idon't know, but they're like,
Hey, bro, you want an excellentshot? And I'm like, Yeah, sure.

(01:09:51):
So I did one in the car. Then wewent to this radio station
called the eagle in Dallas. Andthey're like, Hey, dude, won an
excellent shot. And I go, Yeah,sure, dude. So I did another one
there. And then we went to thebirthday party, which was at a
club, I believe, called thebasement in Dallas, and we're

(01:10:14):
backstage. And they're like,Hey, dude, excellent shot. And I
go, Yeah, dude, and I didanother one. So I did, like,
three or four shots. And then itwas weird. I just remember I
got, I was so fucked up that Iwas literally sitting at a

(01:10:36):
table, and I was gonna, like, Iwas, like falling asleep at the
table. I felt a little nauseous,but then I would wake up. I'd be
like, all perky and literallylike a dog dragging his fucking
asshole across the carpet. Andthis chick could have been,

(01:10:59):
maybe I was, I don't know whothe fuck she was. All I remember
is looking at this chick on thisgirl looks like that model,
Kathy Ireland. Do you rememberKathy Ireland? Yeah, she was

a Necessary Roughness. And, yeah, yeah. So
there's a

chick sitting at in Dallas, at this table, and it's
just me and her. You think agirl that looked like her? I I
don't know if it was her or not.
It wouldn't

be out of the realm of possibility, if you're Tommy
Lee, that he would know somewell, you

know. But we're in Dallas, Texas as well, you know.
And I'm with the Pantera guys.
It was packed in this room, andI do remember jamming with the
Pantera guys. I think I playedguitar. We did cold Jen by kiss,
and then I went back to thetable. I was so fucked up I

(01:11:58):
could barely play. I rememberstruggling to get through the
song. I went back to the table,and I was sitting with this
girl, and she was like, playingwith my hair and and I was just
out of it. And I rememberbecause we weren't staying far
from this club, I just said toher, I gotta go, man. I'm gonna
go back to my room, and she cameback with me to my hotel, and I

(01:12:21):
just passed out. You know, I waslike out of it, but I got up the
next day, and I literally hadlike, 103 fever. I was sick as a
dog. My back hurt like I was inagony. My back hurts so bad, and

(01:12:43):
we were supposed to leave. So Ipulled myself together. Took a
shower. We went out to a Bennyhot. The girl was gone when I
woke up. She was just gone. Me,Tommy dime, his his girlfriend,

(01:13:07):
Rita Rex, was there. His withhis wife and Vi and we went to a
Benny Hannah's. We had somelunch and we were supposed to
leave later that day. And theytalked us into going to they

(01:13:32):
talked us into staying a day ortwo longer, and dime told Tommy
that he had some jet skis andthere was a lake somewhere near
their house. They're like, Comeon, man, we'll go to the lake.
We'll fucking hang out. I was sosick though I went to, I think

(01:13:54):
it was Rex's house, and wepicked up the jet skis. Rex's
wife and Rita were like, Dude,you're fucking You're burning
up. Like, I go, I don't feelgood. So I just remember those
guys all got dime. I think dimehad a pickup truck. It was

(01:14:21):
either dime or Rex had a pickuptruck. They went to the lake,
and I got out of the car. I wasstill fully clothed. I had
leather pants on a sweater, andI was under a fucking moving
blanket, like in the back of thetruck, and I just fucking slept

(01:14:45):
the whole day, like they werejet scan, and I just slept in
the back of the fucking pickuptruck the whole day. I don't
even remember them putting the.
Jet skis back on the trailer.
Next thing I know, we're back atfucking Rex's house or dimes
house, and they're like, dude.

(01:15:09):
And I was like, Alright, cool.
We got dropped off at the hotel.
I went back to sleep again, andthen Tommy and I got on a plane
and flew home the next day, andI was still sick. And that's
when I said to Tommy, I go, Idon't fucking get this dude
like, I don't know why I'm sofucking sick. And Tommy, that's

(01:15:32):
when Tommy goes, Oh, dude, it'sprobably from the excellent
shots. And I go, What the fuckare you talking about? And he
goes, dude, the shots that wewere doing had ecstasy in it.
And he goes, excellent shot. SoI kind of got pissy with Tommy.

(01:15:53):
I go, Dude, why would you whywould you not tell me? Like, I
don't get the lingo, like, whywould you not tell me that I was
doing ecstasy? You know what Imean? And that's but that's also
why, like, I was literally,apparently, it was like ecstasy

(01:16:15):
in these capsules, ecstasy and alittle bit of heroin. So I was
literally, like, falling asleep,and then the ecstasy would kick
in, and I was dragging my assacross the carpet, and then I
would start falling asleepagain, and this chick would rub
on my back, and I was like, Oh,hey, what? Yeah, okay, cool.
And, and then I would so I tookher back to the hotel, thinking

(01:16:38):
we'd fuck, and I just passedout. Yeah, I don't remember any
of it.

That's crazy. Do you think so? Like, for you,
they, like, knocked you out. ButTommy's like, yeah, he's going
jet skiing the next day. Like,do you think that? Like, guys
like him and the Pantera guys,like, they were just wired
differently, like they can justparty. Like, I mean, because the
older I get, I mean, you know, Ihave like, two drinks and I'm
like, I'm falling asleep at thehotel. Like,

yeah, well, and again, I think it helps when you
know, when you're mentallyprepared for what it is that
you're doing, true and and intheir defense, they asked, yeah,
hey, dude, you want to do anexcellent shot? And I go, Yeah,
okay. But nobody told me whatexcellent meant. I never heard

(01:17:21):
of that before, yeah. And I'mlike, okay, yeah, whatever. So I
didn't really know what I wasdoing or who I, you know,
whatever. I just remembergetting really fucked up really
quick, and then I was sick forlike, a couple of days

(01:17:41):
afterwards, and I was like, thisis not fucking fun. And then I
couldn't figure out why my backhurts so bad. I literally felt
like I got hit by a car. My backwas like, just to touch it. It
was like, Sure. And everybody'slike, Oh, dude, that's from the
ecstasy. It's like, all theshit. It all your neurons and

(01:18:03):
your nerves and everythingyou're, you know, when people
touch you, you're like, Oh yeah,you know. But afterwards, the
after effect, I guess, is yourfucking spine is just on fire.
That's sad. Yeah, it was, I wasnot fun, dude. I was like, not
fucking happy about it.

Crazy. It's a crazy story, though it's a crazy
night. Yeah,

it was, it was definitely definite. And then
the crazy part is, I went back,like, two weeks later, and I
went to the same bar, and Iwound up getting arrested for I
still to this day, don't knowwhy I got arrested. Nobody ever
charged me with anything, but Isat in a jail cell in fucking

(01:18:52):
Dallas for like, two and a halfdays.

Was this in the book? I don't remember this.

I don't know if it was or not, but I was friends
with this girl, Lori. And okay,so it's a really incestual
story. So when I was at theparty for the Pantera guys, when

(01:19:28):
I did the ecstasy, this girlcame up to me, this redhead, and
I was outside trying to get someair and smoke cigarette, and she
she said something to me. Shebasically said, I'm friends with
Lori. And I was like, oh shit,oh fuck. How's she doing? I knew

(01:19:55):
Lori from Myrtle Beach, SouthCarolina. She worked at hooter.
Dollars, and just a girl thatused to come and see the scream
all the time, and I kind of hadlost touch with her, um, so I
got reacquainted. She calledLori on the phone. We talked for

(01:20:16):
a second, and so I told her, Isaid, yeah, if I'm ever in
Dallas, you know, we swappednumbers, all that shit. And, you
know, I did my thing with thePanterra guys, and then I left.
Well, then the following week,or two weeks later, I had to go

(01:20:38):
to Tampa, Florida to do a weekof radio shows, like a morning
show to produce promote theMotley record. Um, they were
playing the first singleholdings holiday, so I was, like
a guest on their morning showfor like, four days in a row.
Um, all done in Tampa, and I geton a flight, and I realize that

(01:21:03):
I have a layover in Dallas, so Icall Lori. And Lori Jennifer, my
good buddy, God rest his soul,Dave Williams, who sang with,

(01:21:24):
I'm having a brain fart rightnow. Let The Bodies Hit The
Floor.

Oh yeah, Drowning Pool. Thank you.

He was there. So I met Dave, and then and then his
girlfriend, Kat. I took them allto dinner. We went to a
steakhouse, we had dinner, andthen afterwards, we kind of
decided we were going to go backto this basement club that I had
just been to two or three weeksprior and just go get a

(01:21:57):
cocktail. And then they weregoing to take me back to my
hotel, and I was going to leavethe following morning. So we go
to the we go to the club. And assoon as I walked in with Lori
and Jennifer and Dave and cat,the owner remembered me from

(01:22:19):
being in Motley, and he's like,Oh, hey, dude, blah, blah, blah.
So we went in, we sat at thisback bar, and, you know, he made
me a drink. He made everybody adrink. They were regulars there.
I, I had only been there, youknow, with the Pantera guys a
couple weeks before, you know,and now, so we go in, and he

(01:22:45):
made me a drink. Then he said,I'm gonna close the club now, so
I gotta dump your drink, but assoon as I get everybody out of
the club, you're welcome tostay, and I'll make you another
drink. And I go, okay, cool. SoI paid him out for everybody's

(01:23:06):
drinks. I paid him, and he goteverybody out of the club, and
then he makes me another drink.
And I think I'm maybe liketalking to the guy, the owner.
Oh yeah, dude, I had a greattime, yada yada yada, and he's
talking to Lori and everybodyand and then five minutes later,

(01:23:27):
all of a sudden, there's likethis bang on the door. The side
door of the club opens up, andall these cops come rushing into
the club, and I'm sitting at thebar, and I'm like, Okay, I don't
know what's going on right now.

(01:23:49):
So they ID everybody. So I pullout my driver's license, Lori
pulls out hers everybody. Theythey take everybody, and they're
checking everybody's ID, and forsome reason this cop comes up
and handcuffs me and says,You're You're under arrest for

(01:24:15):
public intoxication. So I get inthe car and I start fucking
having to come apart, and Istart my stupid temper, but I'm
like, Fuck you, dude, you betterbe taking me to a hospital for a
blood test if you're gonnacharge me for public

(01:24:35):
intoxication. I want to blowinto something, or I want a
fucking blood test that says I'mintoxicated. I just got here
from Tampa, Florida. I haven'tbeen drinking, so I don't know
where the fuck this is comingfrom. Anyway, they took me to
the jail, and they put me in acell, and I sat there the whole

(01:24:58):
night, and the whole night. Day,I missed my flight the next day,
and then the following night, atlike, two o'clock in the
morning, I couldn't call anybodybecause I didn't have they had
all my shit. And then about, Idon't know, probably two or

(01:25:18):
three o'clock in the morning,some guy opened up the jail cell
and brought me, like, thislittle mini frozen burrito, and
he's like, Hey, dude, and he'ssitting there and he's looking
at me, and he's like, You lookreally familiar. Do I know you?
And I go, Well, I'm the new leadsinger for Motley Crue. And you

(01:25:43):
may have seen me on MTV or thenews like it's been getting out
now that I'm the singer. And hegoes, What are you doing here?
And I basically let him have it.
I go, I have no fucking idea whyI'm here, but I got arrested the
other day in a fucking club. Isat here. I missed my fucking
connecting flight to La thismorning, and I'm still sitting

(01:26:07):
here. And then, literally, like,five minutes later, the guy shut
the door. He goes, I'll be rightback. He shut the door, and then
him and another guy came andthey let me out, and they handed
me all my shit, and they justlet me out. Wow, that's crazy.
So I told the guy, so listen,man, you're gonna hear from my

(01:26:29):
fucking lawyer like I have noidea why you guys never charged
me with anything, didn'tfingerprint me, didn't take my
photo, didn't take me to ahospital, he basically said that
I was publicly intoxicated. Ihadn't finished one drink, not
one while I was in that bar,because the first one he made

(01:26:52):
me, he dumped it, and then hemade me another one, and they
raided the police, like twominutes afterwards, weird. And
so I had Motley lawyer call themand just fucking rip them a new
asshole because I had to buyanother flight from Dallas to I
missed my first one. And it wasjust like, this big thing. And I

(01:27:12):
had no idea, but it was weird Ifound out later. Yeah, Lori said
the cop that arrested me used tocome into her work, and he had a
bit of a crush on her, and hethought that I was like, maybe I

(01:27:33):
was a little too friendly withher. I don't know what the deal
was, but I literally wound upspending, like, I don't know it
was, like, 30 hours in a Texasjail cell for absolutely no
fucking reason at all. That'scrazy. Yeah, it was weird. It
was weird, dude, it was reallyweird. I'm surprised

the press didn't get wind of that, and that
wasn't like, a metal edgearticle or something. Yeah,

it was weird, nobody. They never took a photo,
they never fingerprinted me,they never charged me with
anything. I was just literallysitting in a jail cell. And if,
if the guy was kind of a youngercop came in, asked me if I
wanted a something to eat, andhe gave me a burrito. And had he

(01:28:24):
not done that, I could still besitting there fucking like Rip
Van Winkle, jeez, you know,whatever. So it was, yeah, it
was, it was, it was a bit of anexperience.

Was that the only time being in jail?

No, oh no, I was a bit of a Hellion when I was
younger. I I've been in troublein jail multiple times. Oh,
that's

right, yeah, because I think you talk about
that in the book when you're akid, you're like, were you
accused of murder or something?
There was, like, a whole thingabout that that's in the book

that, yeah, yeah, it was, uh, but it wound up
being, I got into a fight withthis guy's kid and, you know,
dumb teenage, stupid teenagestuff, yeah, yeah. You know,
recent got into a fist fight,and basically, when he was
walking away, you know, mylittle bravado thing in front of
my friends, I'm like, yeah, ifyou ever come on our street

(01:29:15):
again, I'll kill you. And thenthe guy wind up showing up dead.
Well, his father, it's a longstory, but his father was a
fucking his father was a serialkiller. Yeah, that was crazy.
Actually got caught for killingwhatever. And then they it's a

(01:29:37):
long story, but they found outthat the father, after they
posted his picture in the paper,some other people saw his
picture and were like, Wait, wefound that kid's body. That was
the same guy that used to comeand hang out at this
construction site where theyfound the kid's body. And you.

(01:30:00):
They put two and two together,and then they found out that he
eventually he had killed his ownson for like, a 35 or $50,000
insurance policy or some weirdthing, yeah, and, you know, but
that was a process of aboutseven or eight months of the
cops showing up at my fuckinghouse wanting to speak to me,

(01:30:25):
you know, and questioning meabout the fact that I said I'd
kill him if he came back on ourstreet. And eventually it was
like, oh, okay, you're clear.
You're good to go, but I gottathere was a point there where I
was sweating some bulletsbecause I was like, fuck, man,
I'm going to go to jail forsomething I didn't do.

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