Klaus Eichstadt (Ugly Kid Joe)

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Chuck Shute (00:00):
All right, very excited to announce my guest

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today, Klaus Ike stat guitarsfor ugly kid Joe, one of my all
time favorite bands, finally gotto see them live and they
absolutely crushed it. They'reon tour now with Fozzie and
pistols at dawn. It's a greatpackage. I highly recommend it.
ugly kid. Joe also has a newalbum out now called Red Wings
of destiny. And we're going totalk about the tour, the new

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album, some old stuff, lineupchanges and so much more. Stay
right there.
Yes, I've got the same map. Oh,you had a show recently? Yeah, I

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was at the Vegas show. It wasamazing. Oh,
okay. Yeah, I've only waited.
What is it? 31 years to see youguys. I couldn't see you as a
kid because I think you came tous. I lived in Seattle, and you
came to like rock candy, but itwas like 21 and over, right. I
didn't go to that one. You mighthave played with like opening
for somebody but I might havebeen too

Klaus Eichstadt (01:07):
scatterbrained.
Maybe or, yeah.

By the time that I like really got into you guys. I
think it was that summer. And Isaw I don't know if the Aussie
tour comes through that one.

The Ozzy tour.
Yeah, Seattle. I think I thoughtSeattle was our first show on
Ozzy tour. Okay, in 1992. Itwould have been summer of 92.
Like August, maybe?

I might have just missed that. Because that would
have been a good show. Lookingat the line. It was like you and
Ozzy and slaughter maybe. Yeah,yeah. That would have been fun.
But yeah, I finally got to seeyou guys. It was amazing. I
couldn't believe I just had toask, like, how does wit keep his
voice in shape so well, becauseit's hard as a singer. I mean,

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drummer maybe too, but, I mean,you can play guitar bass. That
doesn't really affect with age,I wouldn't think as much but
singing I mean, what can you dowith your voice? Like, is he
just get lucky? Or does he havesome sort of crazy vocal?

It's kind of a he is kind of a freak of nature.
Honestly. For instance, hedoesn't like to like strenuous
vocal exercise he does, but hedoes take care of his voice, you
know, and, you know, you justcan't live too fast.
You know, to keep your voice up.
But yeah, I mean, like, if he'ssmoking he's not going to sing
as good you know, if we go outone night and have a few drinks

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and do cigarettes. Next day,it's gonna be harder but yeah,
you're right. You do have to asa singer, you have to kind of be
careful. And but it is also likeI said, the kind of a freak of
nature like he his voice isjust, he never even early on. I
remember when he was a teenagerjust like he'd like I can sing
and we're like, No, you can'tand kind of can like he's
actually kind of has a coolvoice just kind of makes it's

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kind of sounds like David theraw you know. That's crazy.
Yeah. Because like he had towork on it though. Right? It
didn't I mean, it took Yeah, itwas

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before we get Joe the band hewas in was actually became ugly
kid Joe his first band really?
So and then after a good yo yoOf course he played in
medication he played in life ofagony which was a really great
learning experience for himtrying to emulate someone else's
singing a different style to andthen he played in of course
another animal so over the yearshe's had practice

Unknown (03:44):
Yeah,

didn't you say this in the story that you you gave
him a Judas Priest record andyou say you told him all right,
if you learn how to sing likethis, you can be in the you can
be in a band with me and he didright figured it out.

See, he likes to say it's in a band with him.
I think it's more like I said,if you can sing like this, you
can sing in any bands. Yeah, youcan say like Judas Priest, Rob
Helford, you are gonna get agig. And I think at the time my
friend who turned me on andguitar was really into priest
and was like, classes is thebest singer in metal right here

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Rob however, tell wit you know,and I turned with basically onto
a paladin priest in general. Andbut she never has looked back
with probably knows every lyricto every priest song ever
recorded. I mean, he's a massivepriests fan.

Even does he like the Tim Ripper Owens stuff?
That's not Helford or Oh, that's

Rob. Probably.
You know, I'm gonna go backevery vocal record about Rob
Helfrich.

However, Okay, fair enough. So because you guys were
the band was was a band, theband originally called
overdrive? Yeah.
For a short time was it actuallycalled suburban white alcoholic
trash? for like a split second?
Yeah, it's kind of it was a songwe had. And I had made like a T
shirt with a logo and I was kindof pushing

for that name, and then a good show the show
came up with Pretty Boy Floydand it kind of just stuck.

Would it have been like Swat? Would it be like an

acronym?
acronym? Right?

Yeah, acronym.

Yeah, cuz that's the Wasp at the time. And
I thought their logo was socool. And I was like, I want to
do it. So I was really into thatshow slot the show. And I
thought what could I What couldthat anagram be and I came up
with silver and white alcoholictrash. And it was pretty
accurate, actually.

So then did that lyric make it into the whiplash?
Liquor song?

Exactly, exactly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

I love that. That one. And Matt, that's my only
gripe about the concert is Ididn't get to hear whiplash, or
Mad Men. Those two are two of myfavorite songs. actually be?

We've been playing BeoPlay we actually
played with Les liqueur theother night, but we didn't
really know it. So we kind ofplayed half of it. Through it,
but madmen, we played on and offfor the last 10 years for sure.
You know, it's been kind of astaple in and out of the set.

Yeah, I mean, every song was so good. Like, just
that opening riff of neighbor.
Oh, my God, that was so cool.
Because that was one of myfavorite songs as a kid and
getting to hear that live. Andlike I said, You guys killed it,
especially with voc becausethat's the thing you always
worry about with bands singersas they age and like, they're
not gonna be able to sing this.
And he killed it. It wasamazing. I couldn't believe it.

Yeah, I mean, like I said, he's kind of a
freak of nature. But you do haveto take care of it. Yeah, it's
like we you know, we're allobviously, in our 50s now, so we
can't do what we used to do,obviously. And like, for
instance, this has been a drytour, California sober tour.

Yeah, but you're welcome. He sounded good that
the whole band is sounding good.
You're jumping around out thererunning around. You guys are
having fun. I mean, it lookslike you're like kids. It's
crazy.

Well, part of it is, you know, we are living a
much healthier lifestyle,especially at this age. But
also, it is fun. It totally isfun. And it's weird. Like, some
days I'm tired. And I'm like,even starting to think like,
Man, am I too old for this. Andthen as soon as like, it's time
to get up and play. It's like,you have this adrenaline rush.

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And it does really, honestlyfeel like you do feel young
again, it's as stupid as thatsounds like we do feel like a
kid. It doesn't feel muchdifferent now than it did when I
was 23 is all I'm saying. Itdoesn't feel much different, you
know? And you know, knock onwood, like, physically,
obviously, that's the mainthing. I have had issues with my
fingers. I've had a pinchednerve, and it was messing up my
fingers. Possible arthritis. Sothere are things for you know,

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guitar players, of course, withthroat thing, you know, he's
been sick before and lost hisvoice very rarely. But you know,
he's been close to it a coupletimes. So, you know, barring
those things, you know, you it'sit, you really do get this
adrenaline rush. And it reallyfeels. I mean, I it feels like
it was 30 years ago, it doesn'tfeel much different. You know?

That's amazing. Did you feel it more with certain
songs like, either newer songsare just songs that are more
rockin songs? Or is it just afull adrenaline the whole show
throughout?

It's pretty much the whole show. I mean,
sure, we've always had, you'vealways had your kind of
favorites. And it's usually agroup thing, or it's a really
fun riff to play. Or it's in apartially to the crowd favorites
help because they sing along andthat kind of gives you an extra
little like, oh, shit, theyactually like this, you know?
Enough to really be into it. Soyeah, it's a little bit of

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everything. But for the mostpart, I think, yeah, the whole
show sometimes, like, you know,when you hear the lights go
down, and you hear that kind ofinitial sound from the crowd, it
totally like the adrenaline justgoes and then all of a sudden
you just energy like, you couldbe taking a nap and you'd hear
it be like, Well, okay, let's dothis, you know? Yeah. And we've

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been doing like an hour and 20hour 25 or 15, something like
that. And I don't really everfeel called to tired after I
mean afterwards. You're kind oflike wood I'm tired. But during
the set your adrenaline throughan hour and a half is pretty
solid.

Yeah, no, that's really cool. I love you guys
have such a larger catalog now.
And the new album is is great.
So I had a question becausethere's definitely with the new
stuff. There's definitely likesome AC DC vibes. But I correct
me if I'm wrong. You guys aremore of the fans of the bond
Scott AC DC than the BrianJohnson AC DC.

Honestly, I love them both. I love both
wood. Okay, yes, bond. Scott isprobably in rock and roll my
favorite lyricist of all time. Iused to study his lyrics and be
like, Wow, this guy writes somereally clever, funny. Awesome. I
mean, just the fact that he hastwo versions of the jack and

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one's about playing cards. It'slike genius you know, and then
of course big balls is freakinghilarious. And just I mean, what
the hell maybe the greatest rockand roll song ever written like
just the everything about it,but then you You listen to back
and black and you I would stepback and say that's the greatest
rock album ever recorded in thehistory of rock and roll. So

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they both are just insanelygood.

That's a good point. Never thought of that.
You're right, though. It's likethe old stuff definitely had
that sense of humor more so bondwith newer. Yeah, they'd like a
whole lot of rosy and like yousaid big balls. And like, I
mean, yeah, totally have thatwith Brian Johnson. No, yeah,

it's, I would say, maybe not quite as original
as Bond Scots, but his voice isincredible. And, of course, the
band had, you know, I guess youcould say, that come into their
own. They were always they arealways the greatest but, you
know, with blank producing, andit was packed bugs. The second
record, I believe, with MuttLange, that were just went to

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another stratosphere of what agreat rock patch sound like
they, they completely nailed it.
And for several records afterthat, too, so it's, you know,
they're both brilliant. Sayingthe great.

Yeah, I just remember as a kid, like I it was
Brian Johnson was like my era.
And then I kind of had to goback and listen to Scott. I was
like, oh, okay, this stuff'svery good, too, obviously. But
yeah, I'm kind of with you. Ilike both. So

well, my sister is actually who turned me on to
AC DC, and probablyinadvertently went to because we
were kind of friends at the timeand my sister was really getting
into rock. She had all the firstAC DC records before back in
black even came out. So she hadalready totally schooled me on
AC DC and power age and highvoltage. And if you want bled,
you got it and all those risks.
You had all the records. So Iwas already like, just starting

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to guitar and learning thearrangements of AC DC. And so I
really only knew AC DC has beenScott until he died. And it was
like we were my sister wasdevastated. And I was like no
way and I was pretty young. Andand then when the new record
came out, I told I stillremember it like it was
yesterday, we were at my parentsfriend's house and the son who
was like 16 He could drive andhe had bought back a black and

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he played it for us. And he mysister were like, No way. This
is the new singer and he's allYep. And we were like just, I
remember just so big, so blownaway. Because we were all sad,
you know, like it ACDC is nevergoing to be the same, you know?
And we loved AC DC so much. Andwe're like, wow, they're they're
just as good. And the record isis insane.

Yeah, no, they definitely put a lot of good
music Simpson with BrianJohnson. He's great. He's
another one of those guys thatcan continue to sing at a high
level like Stephen Tolley.

That's, yeah, that well, you just pretty much
said the two guys that, like thefact that they're still insane.
Like that is incredible. Becauseeven doing it into their 40s was
amazing and 50s now they'relike, 70 and they're fucking
just insanely rad.

Yeah, I've never seen Aerosmith and they're gonna
retire, but I can't affordtickets for that one. So it's
probably a zillion dollars,right? It's a lot. Yeah, it was
like a few 100 Just for thenose. So played with

Aerosmith and Brazil. And I remember being
just blown away by Steven Tylerin particular, his energy, his
voice, everything was perfect.
His screams his whole thing. Hispresence, His moves. I mean, he
was just the quintessentialamazing frontman and not just
frontman. I mean, his singingability was incredible. Like,
what a badass voice?

Yeah, for sure. So the only one you haven't played
with is AC DC, right? Becauseyou've done yeah, the Ozzy and
Judas Priest and all these otherguys,

scorpions, Motorhead, we've done so many
great things. It's been able toplay with so many amazing bands,
Guns and Roses, the cold likeall the bands manhandling Van
Halen. flappers. Yeah,definitely. I mean, it's it's
been. So we've been so blessedthat we actually got to play
with, you know, open for. Imean, that's honestly, starting
out. You don't really dream ofyourself, you kind of dream of

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like, Will headlining arena. Butyou really kind of realistic,
like, I just want to open forthe bands that I love, we can
get to open for Van Halen, orOzzy. I mean, that's, that would
be the top of the mountain. Andwe did it, which is pretty rad.
We got I mean, those twoparticular it's a Van Halen,
Ozzy, we're, you know, just sobig. And of course, priest. So

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does it after like, 30 years, wegot to treat those off. Yeah.

Does it still feel cool to still play? Or does it
feel like you you can't everachieve that feeling again? Or
is it just like, it's the samefeeling over and over again,
when you just like

a few a couple of years ago at Virginia Beach,
and I cried. After the show,when I went out and realize what
had just happened that week justbecause of during COVID. It was
really no it was going tohappen. And we just kind of got
there and it was kind of anightmare because of all the
logistics. And when we playedthe show and the show was over
our show was over. You take adeep breath and you went out
walked out into the crowd andpriest comes on and we're like,

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we just opened for priest and Ijust swelled up and started
calling my sister and all myfriends that you know who back
when we were 1415 would listento priests with and like, we're
just open for Judas Priest inAmerica, you know, direct
support like This is

crazy. I thought of going to that show wasn't an in
Florida or something. It was inVirginia, or Virginia. It was on
the East Coast. I remember I wasthinking I was like, oh, man, I
really because it was the firsttime you guys had played in
America in a long time.

Yeah, exactly.
Years and years. And we playedlike three shows. Within the
last 12 years in the US, thatwas the fourth and then we
hadn't played here since like,1995. I think. So how

is the reception from the tour in the US now
because like, like I said, whenI was the Vegas show, at least,
I mean, you guys killed it, Ican't imagine anyone didn't
think that was one of the bestshows they've ever been to is
that kind of been the reactionto every show.

It's been really great. We, you know, we
didn't know what to expect. Wehaven't been here in a long
time. And every show has beengreat. You know, some better
than others. But, uh, but for,for in general, it's been
really, really great. Like,really great fans, like really
into it, kind of like, and I getit, there's people that are
older that were fans, they grewup, but people were bringing

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their kids, kids, people intheir 30s and 20s and 30s are
showing up. And it's kind of anice mix of, of age groups, I
guess you could say, you know,and, and people are, you know,
some of the real true fans arereally singing the new stuff,
which is, you know, we don'tknow if it's just going to be a
nostalgia thing for people thatare like, Oh, I had you know,
those two years in high schooland a GI Joe was popular. And I

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remember those couple of songs,you know, I'll go see this for
fun. But we're, you know, peopleare singing the new stuff as
well for the last 10 years. Andit's like, oh, this is these are
like people that actually reallyliked the band. That just, you
know, that it wasn't just ashort period of their time.
They're actually really fans.
That's pretty cool. Refreshing.
No, absolutely.

Yeah, for me, it's both because like that there is
like a nostalgic time. But thenalso like yeah, once you guys
came back with the stairway tohell, EPL, I was like, Oh, my
jaw dropped. I was like, Oh,this is so good. I'm so glad you
guys are back and then like,it's been a couple of different
there's that one and then therewas the uglier than they used.
And then this this latest onerad Wings of destiny is great.

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That ain't livin catchy song.
Not like the other catchy song.
Dead friends play great song.
That's an homage to all theheroes of past Eddie Van Halen.
Let

me Oh, yeah, yeah. Did you write that one?
No, wait, wrote that one. And hereally like, you know, wit. Wit
definitely, like had been kindof like Lily. It was like line
by line over like a few months.
And it just finally cametogether. And we have pretty
much finished the record. Andhe's like, I've got a new song.
And he basically went to hangout with Dave Fortman, who is a

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great producer. And the two ofthem just sat around for like a
week and recorded two more songsand that was one of them. And
was the other one up in thecity. Okay. Anyway, yeah. So
yeah, that was that made therecord at the end. That was we
played every night.

Which song was you had like at least one song on
the record though, right. Thatwas just yours that you wrote.

Yeah, failure.

Okay. Yeah, that's cool it because he definitely
different sounds with differentsongwriters. Like I know. It's
kind of went into the heavierriffs and stuff and then Fortman
writes some of the erupts writesmost not mostly but some of the
slower songs like busy be off,right right. And you guys played
that in Vegas, which wasawesome. Because that's not
normal setlist right.

Okay. No, it is it you know, what our band is
kind of we have sort of adifferent lineup, almost every
tour slightly, ever so slightlyhere and there. So we kind of
like, you know, customize thesetlist a little bit to who's in
the band and who's playing andwho's good at what, like, Oh,
you've seen that harmony reallygood. Let's do that song. A
little bit like that, you know?
Oh, yeah.

Explain that.
Because I thought when I hadDave Fortman on my show couple
years ago, he said, he's like,No, I can't tour anymore because
of hearing loss. And the Vegasshow was like, Oh, sweet. He
actually is here. So he justdoes occasional shows then is
that what it is?

He pretty much was the mainstay for probably
from 2000. Was that what yearwas that? I'm sorry, for like
five years. He was he was prettymuch doing everything. And then.
And then yeah, he had some majorhearing issues. And he was
wanted to back off, and then wehad like a two and a half year

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break during COVID where wedidn't play anyway. So when we
got back together, he's like, Ithink I can do this tour. So

all right. So and then what happened to Cordell
Croc and a bunch of fans havebeen asking about I know he had
some legal issues. Is he out ofthe band? Or is he just
temporarily

right now, you know, it's some stuff going on?
I'll just be honest with you.
It's kind of personal. So Idon't want to say much but yeah,
you know, we hope everything'sgoing well. And, you know, we'll
see what happens.

Okay, so then Mike squires is filling out

was actually who actually played guitar he
actually initially filled in forfor Dave. And then when he
finished that tour, he went andplayed bass for another band.
And then when when we came backWe're like, well, Dave's plan,
but we need a bass player. Andhe's like, Well, I know all your
songs, and I just did a wholetour playing bass. This will
it'll give me a week, you know,give me a couple of weeks. And

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I'll have a doubt and he doesand yeah, so I mean, this this
bands, there's a lot of weirdlittle lineup things and, you
know, we, yeah, it goes. It getsweird, but it's it's really fun.
I mean, everybody gets along andit's like I said, that's why the
setlist kind of changes due tolike, who's in the band, like,
ooh, so and so is really good atso it's such and such. We should

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probably try that song. Youknow, okay. Yeah,

cuz so now what happened to Zack Morris was the
drummer. Yeah, yeah, album. Andthen now we've got Kent. Is it
cam Greenwood? Is that everyone?
Yeah. And he does the backup forgoddamn double

duty. It's so funny. We, we didn't really know
he could sing. We had no ideaactually. And we're in
rehearsal. And we'd had we'd hadhis flight when we were in
Leeds, England, and was forwhatever, a couple tours ago,
and we're rehearsing and I knewI wasn't scheduled to fly in
until the next day. So we wererehearsing just as a four piece
band, no vocals, and we playAfrica with songs. I think it

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may have been that ain't livingand all of a sudden, I'm just
kind of playing the riff. AndI'm looking down and all of a
sudden, I'm like, wait, startsinging. I'm like, Oh, wait,
what's here? How does he? He'searly and I look up and it's cam
singing. And it sounds likeweird. And you know, because
it's all loud. So everything's alittle bit distorted. Yeah. I
was like, so after the song, I'mlike, Dude, that sounded really

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good. Yeah, I didn't know youcould see he's like, Yeah, I'm a
singer. I sing in a band. Ifront event, as a drummer and
singer like Phil, Colin, youknow, he plays drums and with a
mic and sings the entire setwith his with his one of his
other bands that were like,damn, and again, utilize it. And
then when we it was like, I wastalking to him, like, how good

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are you, you know, and he'slike, I can sing that part. And
I can sing that part. So we juststarted, like, sometimes he just
would chime in and start singinga part. That's obviously what's
part. And it's like, damn, andlike, just let's go with it. So.

Wow, that's awesome to have that. And that song
originally was that that was thesong that was on a demo, right
before you guys even did as uglyas they want to be.

Yeah, it was part of our four song demo that
we were chopping the labels. Andyeah, and that demo actually is
Eric Valentine. Who was with himfamous producer Yeah, Eric Dodd
it was his original name and wewent to high school with them
and after high school was whenwe did the demo because you

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know, we word of mouth there.
Valentine is just legendary, youknow, and from where we're from
the Bay Area and but we all knewhim we were friends with him and
I had a rehearsal room literallyhalf a block from where a studio
was. So I remember like, pickingup his drums and taking them to
my rehearsal room, learning thesongs and three days and then
taking the jobs back andrecording it in his studio. And
we're driving up from SantaBarbara and then we did those

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two songs and that was kind ofthe beginning of the band

it was which god damn devil in which was the
madman Mad

Men and god damn devil don't go and funky
fresh. Okay, it was gonna was itwas still calling on it. I think
it was we thought maybe don't gobecause it has a time and we're
like well, maybe we will givethem a little poppy song you
know, kind of a more of a poplove song and then funky fresh
madman and got them double werekind of more of like, what we
wanted the band to be. I thinkthat was the four it was two on

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each side of the tape, I thinkis how it was something like
that. I don't know.

So everything about you was a hit everything about
what's going on there. That songwas written like years before I
heard on a piano was a joke

written on the piano, you know, kind of like
just the the melody and thebasic verses. And I probably did
it on a Tascam four track and Ididn't do it on a pat Tascam
four track but it was kind oflike backburner type song. You
know, it's like, because I waswriting you know, stuff like
panhandling and god damn devil,a madman, kind of fast rock
heavy riffs, more rock, andeverything about you. It's just

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kind of a joke song really, andfor fun. And then, you know,
when we were sort of, you know,obviously, when we started
getting a lot of trying to puttogether longer sets, it was
just an extra song I had, thatwe started playing it and like
immediately, I have to say,after the first time we played
it, we go down. People reallyliked that song. Like it was
kind of, you know, pleasantlysurprised. Like, wow, by the end

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of the song, everybody's singingalong with us like, wow, this
maybe there's something to this.

And it was about, like some sort of cynical
childhood friend that would kindof

Gerald T. Smith is still a great friend of ours.
Like my best friend or friendwe've known since 1985. And he
was just always kind of like,yeah, very cynical. I guess you
could say funny. good sense ofhumor, but talk to a lot of shit
about everything.

Yeah, everyone's got a friend like that. Right.
So is that true though? Themusic video for that one. I read
this on Wikipedia. So I don'tknow. Truth is that you guys
have the sextiles and you puthere and that the the Aviation
Administration authorities hadto come down

because there's an airport right there where we
filmed a beach called, I forgetthe name of the beach, the Isla
Vista Beach, whatever right inIsla Vista which is where UCSB
is the college there. And it'san there's an airport right
there. And the Santa Barbaraairport and yeah, they actually
flew really frickin high thosethings. They actually had put

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balloons tied helium balloons tothe actual blowup dolls. We were
hoping that they will. Weweren't the Tom, you know, that
video producer was hoping thathe could just fill them with
helium, but it didn't work. Sothey had to. So if you look, if
you pan the camera back, you'dsee like for these giant
balloons actually holding thethe actual dollar, they must
have done it with fishing linesor something because everything

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was kind of rigged up right thenand there. And I guess one of
them broke off and it flew away.
And he was again tied to likethree other big balloons
probably like someone who saidsomething I don't I don't really
remember the whole logistics ofthat moment. Because it was more
like we didn't really know whatwas going on. Everything was
just, you know, I don't evenknow we had cell phones back
then. So pessoal is it's like,yeah, there's some report of the

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thing. And that was 91. Youknow, 9090 91? Yeah, yeah.

Wow, that's great.
So then like before you get theOzzy is it before you get the
Aussie tour, that Roger leavesthe band. And I never, I never
understood the story saidmusical differences. But was it
more like personalitydifference? That's what seemed
that seemed to be what Daveforeman was hinting at with that
one.

Now, it was musical differences. Honestly,
it really wasn't a personalitything. I think you can say
musical difference could bepersonal differences, because
you're saying this person, maybethis direction, or, but it was
it was musical. Yeah, for sure.
It wasn't like, Oh, he's a dick.
He's really great guy. So he was100%, based on the music and

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what we were doing as a band.
You know, Dave probably hasheard, you know, he joined
after, so he's probably hearddifferent convoluted versions of
what happened. But you know, wejust wanted to move on. And so
we didn't talk much about it.
But no, we saw Roger actuallycame to our show, San Diego,
four weeks ago, and I hadn'tseen him since. And it was

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great. He's a great guy and hungout, met his kids and his
daughter, I should say, and herhusband and it was great. It was
really great seeing him and EricPhillips, the other guitar
player before Roger was even theman there was another guitar
player. He came to the show andmature. I was like really cool,
you know, kind of a full circleof everybody. That was Mark
Davis came to our show in thecasino and St. Croix up and I

saw that Yeah, yeah. Well, that's another one.
That's interesting, because he,he was with the band during, you
know, a lot of those big jumpsand stuff. Yeah, whatever you
want to call it. But he youknow, he decided he's just that
he took a step back to focus onhis family, I think as well.
Yeah.

It's really admirable. He just was like, You
know what, you guys it's goingto be a lot of touring. It's a
lot of stuff that I can't committo, you know, I'm really
committed to being a husband anda father. And, you know, wish
you all the best. And we've beenfriends ever since, you know.

Yeah. And you took a break to when the band broke
up, you had a hiatus, and youwere kind of just you were doing
musical projects, and just abunch of random

random stuff.
Yeah, a little bit of this, alittle bit of that, you know,
trying different things andtrying to start other little,
whatever companies and whatnot,recording bands, and also still
writing and kind of been wasn'ta couple of little bands too.
So. Yeah. Oh,

so you still got to play music and stuff got to go

with that? No, no, I only played two gigs. Oh,
that's it. And then a few justfor fun, like two gigs
officially with a band that Iwas in. And then I played like a
few gigs for fun with wit with awith another band, we'd go up
and just kind of guest withthem, like every year up in
Tahoe.

If you miss it during that time, like,

I'm not really know. Yeah, it was weird. It was
like I said, you get to do itevery couple of times a year or
whatever. And no, I never reallymissed it to the point of I
think it was when theopportunity came to read to do
it again. That's when thereality kicked in. Like, wow, I

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could do it again. Yes, I'd liketo do it again. Maybe I did miss
it. And I didn't realize Imissed it. You know, I mean, I
think it was just because thethe reality of it was more like,
it's not that I missed being onstage playing. It's that, you
know, I wasn't in a situationwhere I really wanted to do it.
Like I wasn't in a band where Iwas really excited about it. And

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of course, I was always reallyexcited about being in this
band. Back in the day. It's justwhen we broke up, we broke up
and everybody's trying differentthings and nothing really made
me want to go yes, I want totour with this band. Are we Yes,
this is it. Until we reunitedand I'm like oh yeah, we can do
this. Again, and you know, afterthree shows you're like, oh,
yeah, maybe I didn't miss it.
But you didn't miss it. I don'tknow. Explain it. Really?

That's interesting.
Did you like helping out otherbands like producing and stuff
like that? Was that fun?

Yes. And no, it was, it was fun, but I don't
think I could. I don't know, Idon't put my I didn't have the
patience to do it, you know,full time kind of thing. You
know, it was like it producinghard, you got to deal with a lot
of personalities. And being in aband, you have to deal with a
lot of personalities, but toproducing you're like, kinda

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like, you got to do everybody'spersonality coming from all
different sides. And you've todeal with their internal stuff.
And like Dave said, once, it'slike, kind of like babysitting.

I was gonna say, it's, that's what it sounds
like. Yeah, you're kind of incharge. Yeah. Yeah. So did you?
Did you have to work during thattime? Like, I always hear
different things from bands whenthey interview? Like, I mean,
you can't just live off but youhave you guys have two massive
songs. Can you just live off theroyalties?

You've always got to like, like I said, you
little this little bit, youalways got to think of
something. Because the incomejust all of a sudden, it just
really starts to go down. Andall of a sudden, you're Damn,
you're like, you know, yeah, youcan't live off of one hit that
you wrote pretty much unlessit's of course. Alright, carry.
All I want for Christmas is you?

Fucking song, man.
You make so much money off thatI'm sure but she has a ton of
other hits, too.

Yeah. But no, you can't. And we didn't. And we
all had to do other things.
Whether it be odd jobs, or youknow, you know, yeah, you always
had to figure out a way to makeends meet for sure you couldn't
live off of it.

Yeah, cuz Dave foreman, obviously, people don't
know. I mean, he's produced likeGodsmack and Evanescence, all
these other bands. And then witjust did a bunch of other bands
to use a bunch of like, justinteresting. Random things
wasn't one of the things you didyou'd like you made these bonds
or something. Football Helmets.
I actually like for my brotherwanted to get my brother wanted.

They're pretty rad. I don't make them anymore.
In fact, I write what I thoughtthe business is going to take
off is when the NFL was like,nope.

But you only made like 60 or something. It ended
up being

more it was like 140 made okay. But I got
the number wrong. And when Italked to Mike about it, I kind
of reviewed, but it had been solong. I was like, all right.
Like I even was like, oh, yeah,I didn't used to do that.

That's funny. Yeah.
Know, whose idea? You Are you alot of the creative influence of
the band in terms of like, theartwork and stuff like that. Do
you have a lot of? Is that a lotof coming from you? Or is it
from the band?

We would do everything together? But I would
say I would probably if therewas an art director would
probably me. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I always wondered like, because
the first two albums are the EP,and then the album, it was that,
you know, had the mascot. Andthen the minister sobriety and
motel California, they just youguys just dropped that
altogether. It was always likewondered why,

you know, in a lot of ways we were there was a
lot of I say this, you know,there was a little bit of
dysfunction, I would say alittle bit as to what direction
we're gonna go in what we'regoing to do, you know, we got a
lot of backlash for beingoverexposed. So we, you know,
partly some people were like,maybe we should kind of change

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things up a bit in terms of thelogo or whatnot. And, you know,
but luckily, we still kept theidea of naming the records,
keeping that in line and thenwhen we reunited we're like,
this is bringing bring back allthis old stuff, you know, moistu
sadly passed away about five,six years ago, he was the
artist. And you know, he didgreat work for us. And then we

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we found in the meantime, acouple other great artists that
have been sort of taking thisstuff and re re you know, doing
new stuffs with it with the kidand whatnot. And of course, you
know, as a kid I always dreamedof having a logo you know, and
that's our logo let's let's gowith it. You know? Yeah, every
band is like they always wouldpriests would have the same

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logo. I mean, sometimes youknow, ACDC took a while till
they finally got the one we hadit we kind of veered away you
know, it's what happens in artright? You want to try new
things you know, all suddenyou're starting to get like, new
way not that we went new wavebut you know, I mean, yeah, it
was it.

Was it sort of based I just realized this
thing. I'm looking at it, I go,No, this is kind of like Garbage
Pail Kids. Was it kind of basedon Garbage Pail Kids a little
bit.

You know, it does remind me of that a little
bit to the newer stuff remindsme of wacky Pax a little bit.
And I don't know what that mighthave been at your time, but it
was or before your time. Sorry.
It was like these take offstickers on stuff, but it was
always really skulls and thingslike that. But I was still kids.
Yeah, I know. We didn'tconsciously do it. Forgot. You

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know, we were actually whatwe're influenced by was the
skate artists in Santa Barbarain Southern California. Moishe
was an artist For PowellPeralta, which is based in Santa
Barbara. And you know, you go toskate shop and the bottom of
skateboards always had the radstuff. And that probably was
like, Oh, we want something kindof like that bottom that
skateboard, you know, like thisand that. And then, you know,
and he actually worked forPowell and Santa Cruz, and did

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art for skateboards. And we justlove the skate art and the
stickers, the bottom of theboards, the T shirts, the
whatever. And so that's what wewere going for. It was more of
that kind of the skate art. Andwhatever the early 90s, you
could say,

Yeah, were you Are you into like, I know you guys
did that snowboard excuse tosnowboard too. Are you into all
that stuff? Skateboarding,snowboarding and surfing.

I don't skate at all Dave's a really good
skater when I skated when wewere kids together. But I'm just
like, No, thanks. I mean, Idon't want to break my arm. On
Tour. You're the Hetfield story,right? Wouldn't be which one? He
was skateboarding like for funat a Riverina and he breaks his
arm. Is that recent? Or was itback in the day like in the 90s?

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And I like that is we actuallywere stupid deemed the snowboard
tour, but we thought oh, it's noyou're not gonna break a leg.
And sure enough, our drum techtotally fucked up his leg. And
we had to have a friend whohappened to be with us just for
fun became the drum tech bydefault. So yeah, but yeah,
we've we've all we're all avidsnowboarders. Dave's a great

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skater. I wouldn't say I'm anavid surfer. I'm more of a just
a longboarder I just go surfevery now and then for fun. So
yeah, we all snowboarding,something we all kind of bonded
with because we all learnedtogether in basically on that
tour, I think is when we alllearned how to snowboard. We'd
already knew but he you know, heput together too with a friend
of his and we started likeColorado and the guy was a

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badass snowboard instructor andhe taught me and Dave how to
snowboard like right then andthere. And we've been we've been
doing it ever since.

Oh, that sounds fun. What about like, you guys
toured with one of my favoriteanother one of my favorite bands
Skid Row, which would have beenan amazing tour. Of course, it
didn't hit the US but those guysare one of the funniest bands
based on their home videos thatI've seen in interviews and
things of plenty do and then youguys are hilarious. From what
I've seen, like, was there a lotwas it just like a nonstop laugh

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riot on that tour? What?

It was fun. It was super fun. It was. Yeah, I
mean, we had great shows. We hadsome great times. And yeah, I
mean, Dave is hilarious snakes.
The comedian. And the rest ofthe guys are great, guys. You
know, it was really fun.

Yeah, Rachel too.
Have you ever seen like videoswhere he? He goes out? He lays
on the baggage carousel at theairport.

Yes. I have seen a couple of those. Yeah.

I don't know how he doesn't get in trouble for that.
I think he said he did. But

yeah, I would pick someone at the airport be
like, hey, all right.

Yeah, no, that's that's fun. So kind of so many
so many great tours and andalbums that you guys have done.
Is there? Is there going to bemore music to have after this? I
mean, I know you just releasedrad wings. I'm already wanting
another album.

You know, you were always, in particular is
always thinking of melodies andlyrics. And I definitely have
some riffs. And I've said this amillion times in the past well
waves and riffs and he's gotsome lyrics. And Dave's always
got a song floating around. It'slike, so yeah, there's always
something you know.

And so Zack, would Zack Morris be back on the
studio album? Or is cam now kindof a fully fledged member of the
band? For drums?

Again, that would be you know, Shannon plays
on records with us now. Sothat's true. Yeah. So it,
whoever's available, that's allI can say.

It's pretty laid back in terms of any of those
three would be great. They're

all very capable drummers, you know, and,
and, and officially, they're allmembers of this band at some
point. So whoever's available,that's what it comes down to,
you know,

yeah, that's all and you don't have any sounds
like it is playing don't haveany aspirations to do any other
side projects or other bands oranything.

Right now we're, you know, we're doing
pretty much the coolest thingyou can do is we're touring in a
band, playing our songs, youknow, and so that's kind of the
focus right now. But you know,everybody's always kind of
dabbling in something, you know,I might start making bombs
again.

Did you ever have any, like, offers to play in
other bands? Like, especiallyduring that hiatus time? Did
other bands call you or

I played in the band called, bro ham? Yeah. And
they were signed to some label.
And other than that, I mean, Ihad a few offers for auditions,
but I wasn't. I just was like, Ihad just left the band or
whatever, the band had just quitor broke up. Sorry. And so I was
like, I don't want to get rightback into it right now. I think

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it was. At the time I was reallykind of over it not over. It was
kind of more of like thebullshit of the business and
some of the you know, No, it waskind of a whirlwind. And it was
a great run, you know, but it'slike I needed to get away from
it a little bit. Honestly, asyou can imagine, there's a lot
of, it's a wonderful thing to bean abandoned tour and to

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actually steal records and beable to see the world. It's the
greatest thing that's everhappened to me really just
about, but there's also a lot ofbullshit that goes with it. And
you kind of like, sometimes youjust want to get step away from
it. And I think for me, like, Iam not good at saying no, so I
had to just literally just walkaway for a while and just live a
normal life, I guess you couldsay for a little while.

Gotcha. So do you think it's gotten the bullshit
is better now than it was backthen? Because back then you had
the record labels, and there'slike executives and people on
your back, whereas now you'rekind of it's more.

It was way less, it's a way less money, but
it's way less bullshit. kind ofgoes together.

Yeah, but you guys get more of the there's less
people to split the money with,right, like with the merch?
Yeah. Of course,

yeah. There's that too. But I'm just saying,
like, being with a major labeland selling a million records,
you know, it's, yeah, youthere's gonna be more money
because you're far, you know,you're everywhere. You're
getting paid. But no, I'm notcomplaining, it's fine. You
know, you were eking out aliving, you know, sort of, but

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it's and so yeah, but thebullshit is way less because,
and I'm not even saying it's therecord company's fault. It's
just, there's just a lot of,there's a lot more people
involved, like you just said,and so there's a lot more
chances of there being friction,or somebody that maybe has a
different idea of how thingsshould be and then people

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throwing their weight around andall these other things. And like
I said that the bullshit, youknow, that, that it's never fun.
I mean, I'm sure it's an everyline of work and everything we
people do, you know, you work ata restaurant, you're gonna have
to one cooks hates the othercook, or whatever it may be, you
know, or or, you know, thisbusboy is doing this wrong, or

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any job, you know, there'salways, I mean, I've had other
jobs too. And there's alwayslike, there's always some
bullshit. So if it's more orless, I don't know. But there's
less more now as the band's kindof a smaller entity than it was
a big thing.

Now, that makes sense. Yeah, that you're right,
because I think people forgetabout that, that they think is
just all fun and parties, butthere's a lot of business.
There's a lot of work that goesalong with that. And like you
said, Any business there's goingto be bullshit. So yeah, yeah,
that's a good point. That's, butit's nice, that it's less now
that you guys can hopefully justhave more fun.

Yeah. And you know, as we get older, too, it's
like, you know, really, whocares? Sometimes you just say,
Who cares?

Like with what, like other managers or
something? I don't

know. You know, I think when you're young,
obviously, there's, there's,there's a little bit of this,
like, you want to be cool, likeyou want to be accepted, you
want to be cool. You want to becutting edge, things like that.
And you might take things muchmore to heart, like when you
read a bad interview about yourband, or a bad sorry, a bad
review, or somebody from anotherband talk shit about your band

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member that was like That's sucha Yeah. And I'm sure it's a very
much a young thing, you know,bands in their 20s they talk
shit about each other. Like HipHop takes it to a whole nother
level where they have the beef.
But you know, let's admit it inthe 80s and 90s. And even
beyond, metal bands talk shitabout each other. It was like
this thing remember Guns andRoses and poison had that big
thing where they dumped a cooleron the manager's head or

(43:33):
something stupid like that. Andyou always have this back.
Remember when Vince the AxlRose, we're gonna bite. It was
like this. They're gonna like,punched out is he struggling? I
think it's kind of like allthese crazy things. And then you
had Kid Rock and Tommy Lee getinto it. And so that's the kind
of bullshit we haven'tencountered any of that. The
second one is maybe becausewe're just all just older now.
We're like, Dude, I don't care.

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Right? Like every band we'vetoured with the last 1012 years
has been super cool. We'vegotten along. We've never, and
even back then every band wasgreat, but we'd hear it. We
bands would talk shit about us,right? We probably talk shit
about other bands. But backthen.

What about you? I don't remember that.

Everybody.
Really? It was more like thealternative bands. Oh, they were
too cool. Yeah. A garage. Yeah,all the metal bands were fucking
cool shit to us. Like all ourheroes like priest and Ozzy and
Motorhead. They're like ellomight come home and have a pint
with us. You know, that was allgreat. So in a way but we cared
we cared you when you're young.

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You care a lot about what let'sjust they never said I don't
think they are. But let's say aJane's Addiction or really cool
band that we idolize. Not thatthey did, but I'm saying let's
just say you heard that theysaid some shit about you in an
interview. You're like, itreally hits you like fuck, I
wanted them to like us and youget all bummed out. And now I'd
be like, no, no, I

think that's just getting a water though.

Yeah. Who cares what that person thinks Some of
our band

I interviewed a lot of musicians. And so it seems
like a lot of them are justhappy to be able to tour and be
able to make music and be ableto do that on so they why would
they talk shit about they justwant to you know to be happy and
they're happy for everyone elsebecause I can't remember that to
certain bands, even within themental community. They're like,
Oh, those guys are too soft,we're heavy. And now you see

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like, they're all touring witheach other and it doesn't really
matter.

You notice that it's an age thing because it's
like, you know, we would we werewe would worry we would worry
about oh, we don't know if weshould toward them because
they're considered this and wedon't want to be considered that
you know what I mean? And nowwe're like, we're we fill the
rooms are they cool dudes? Arethey cool girls or whatever?
Like, you know, as long as wedon't hear that they're
completely mean of course we'lltour whoever you know. And so

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yeah, it's an age thing forsure. I don't know if maybe the
music's changed better for thatlike but you see it a lot of pop
music a lot of shit talking youknow?

Yeah, I know for sure. I think that's a You're
right. That's like

yeah, it's a young person's thing game. I
guess that game that they pay.

Oh, although I will say Motley Crue seems to still
partake in that shit talkinghere and there with I felt like
that's how they build up theirbrand is by getting rid of the
bad

boys bad boys a rock right there. You know?

Did you ever do shows with them? No, never

did. We did a show with Vince Neil when he
you're very you're invited inyour friend camp. But your
friend can't come single. Well,that sorry. I know. Right after
you got out a CREW Watch showwith him. And he was super nice.
And his band was super nice. Andthat's the only dude I've really
we've really played the show.
But we never did a show withMotley Crue. But I would love to
got it loved it right now. Lovecrowd would be a fun

tour. And with John five to like, Yeah,

I mean, you know,

that's another one because it's like the I remember
I swear they've talked shitabout poison and now they got
poisoned opening up for them. So

again, what you said nowadays, people like we're
just happy to be here filling upfucking arena.

Can't complain. So how how's the tour with with
Fozzie going? You you knew thatyou know, those guys? Well, we
knew

Chris Jericho, because we will. I'm sorry.
We've played with Fozzie atleast once or twice over the
last 10 years in England. And Ijust remember meeting him a
couple of times. And Chris wasreally nice. And it was it's
been really what do you call itsmooth sailing? Pretty great
tour. You know, great guys, weall hang out in our dressing
rooms or I mean, we're playingsometimes we're playing clubs

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and it's just you're just there.
Everybody gets along great.

He doesn't have any sort of it's got to be weird
because he's such a bigwrestler. He doesn't have any
sort of pre Madonna thing likeI'm the big storm the big
wrestling

or no I didn't feel we haven't felt anything
like that. treating everybodyhas been treated well. Both on
both sides. I think pistols atdawn is a great opening band is
playing with is a great guys.
Yeah, I had the drummer on myshow. He's super nice, super
sweet all of them. And Christiansinger is like kind of helping
me try to get in shape. He usedto be like personal trainer like

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he totally knows his shit. He'slike Did you do any squats all
wrong. Look, you gotta go likethis like Oh, thanks. Like Yeah.

Oh, that's interesting because you seem
like you're in pretty good shapelike you're really thin you're
not

the it's working it's working

Yeah, I mean like I said you've seen along on stage
okay, you're running aroundjumping having fun

dude I'm like addicted to squats now and I
hated them at this read thebeginning of this tour. And my
wife's like you got to do squatsit's you know for is your squats
too that's the they're actuallykind of the worst. I'm getting
them down I'm getting the moreyou do them the easier they get.
And you can do them anywhere youcan just I was sitting at a red
light the other day across thestreet. I got in 15 squats.

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Again I will get with people no

wait you just because you gotta want to push
it the awkward position you gotto push your legs really goofy?

Yes. Like I'm gonna start doing around the
kids because it'll justembarrass the hell out of them

ya know it's not

like it but again going back to the Getting
older like I don't care I'mdoing it for my own health and I
don't care if the person ever bepointing and laughing at me. I
don't care.

What about the upper body you do in the chest
and the bicycles push ups

push ups kind of hate him but sometimes I like
him but seem to some days I justlike don't want to do push ups.

What about ABS because that's my biggest thing
is like I can get get ups

do their fucking bunk good. Yeah, go sit
downs.

Yeah, well, so is there going to somebody was
asking about if there would be apossible live CD or I would
prefer a live DVD or Blu ray orwhatever. Would there be any?
Because you guys have never hada live disc ever right?

No, no, I think we've tried a couple times and
it just didn't work out orthere's some mess up with one
microphone. Some bleed bled intoit or we played like shit. I
don't remember. But yeah, whoknows? Yeah, I mean, that's, you
know, that's, that's always theidea. Right?

Right. Yeah. Or any other future plans. Future like
would you extend this currenttour because I had to drive to
Vegas. Yes, I'm actually inPhoenix.

have, you know, because we've been doing like,
we were doing, we just did a,we're finishing up one more week
of the states tour. We'vecovered a lot of the country,
but this country is so big man.
There's so many places we didn'tplay, you know? And you could
really, I mean, we used to backin the day, it'd be three
months, you tour the states withdevil every three months solid,
just bang, bang, bang. We didjust we're ending about five

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weeks. So you could, yeah, we'dhave talked about doing another
leg for sure. That'd be sweet.
Oh, it's been great, man. Wejust, we didn't know what to
expect. Honestly, we we've beengoing to Europe every year
practically for the last 10years. And and Europe's been
fantastic. We've been Australiaa couple of times, South
America, but we didn't know youknow, and you come back here and

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you like, oh my god, this iswhere it all began. This is so
cool. This is like, you know,our people. This is where all
this is what we are as Americansand I think a lot of our music
is our music is very American.
In terms of the lyrical contentand some of maybe the US me some
of the stuff we reference isvery Americana, you know? Oh,
absolutely.

Yeah. I mean, especially for me as a kid. He's
like one of my favorite bands soAmerican Yeah, just like that in
the humor. I feel like that's anAmerican. kind of

talk shit about you know, it's funny that we had
a some paneling that wit had theTrump line. I know I love that
line. He got he picked that upfrom like, a homeless person
that would call people hate Mr.
Trump because all we knew DonaldTrump as was a really rich dude.
That's all we knew about it.
That's it. Super rich dude. Soit was kind of a joke with this

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homeless dude like, Hey, yo, Mr.
Trump, you got a spare changeincorporated in the song and
then now we're playing it we'relike people are going to take
this like, one way or the otherthe thing is is political is not
it's just a lyric that was ajoke. It was making fun of it
was not making fun of it wasreferencing anybody that has
anything as a rich person beingMr. Trump.

No, yeah, yeah. I love that song. And everybody,
we all sing along and I think atthe Vegas we're I did I don't
know, I was singing. I love thatone. That whole album is is
amazing. In my opinion. I Ithink I think you guys are it's
weird, because I feel like Iknow you have two massive hits.
But in so many ways. I feel likeguys are underrated.

Well, thanks.

Don't you think that I mean, like, because so
many of the album tracks are sogood. And you're so good live.
And yeah, you have those twosongs. But that doesn't really
define the band, in my opinion,and you've made such good
records after that.

But I mean, it doesn't ever, you know, you
think about Judas Priest theyhad living after midnight, was
their big Radiohead. And I lovethat song. I love it. But you
know, you live in you go wild,but listen to this other stuff.
Like it's, it's a whole notherthing. And, you know, you're you
were so lucky to have hips.
Trust me. It's like, wow. It'slike someone just opened a door
for you and said, Go play yoursongs on stage. All of them. You

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know? And so, yeah, I mean,yeah, I'm trying to think of all
the bands. Kind of look at thechili peppers, you know, under
the bridge. It's nothing likewhat the pants really is. But it
opened those doors like amotherfucker. Yeah. Van Halen
first hit was you really got mea cover song? By the kegs. You
know? Although that's they did apretty fucking van. Hey, put

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their stamp on that one. Yeah,for sure. And Eddie, for sure.
You know,

that's what's funny to me, though, like, and I get
it. If you're just kind of acasual fan. You're like, Oh, I
gotta hear cats in the cradle.
But to me, I'm like, I'm like,okay, like, that's probably my
least favorite song that youguys do live because I'm like,
there's so many other album cutsthat I'm like, I need to hear
those

90% of what we do. Yeah, it's like 10% of what
we do is maybe an acousticmellow song. And then the rest
is like hardrock is what it is.

Yeah, the metal stuff is great. Well, thank you
so much for doing this. I hopeyou guys had more dates

in the US. Like I said, that's what we're hoping
to do. And we are going toEurope in August, for a month
and then maybe come back here.
You know, it takes a little timebut we'd love to come back.
We've had such a great time.
We've had such great responsefrom from the fans from the
crowds, the fans, whatever. Andyou know, people have been
really nice I mean the venue'sthe people working at venues,

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the promoters, the, you know,the club owners, whatnot, venue
owners, runners, people that arein the place has been like
really positive feedback andjust really great experience for
us because like I said, wedidn't know what to expect and
the USA has been great. It's

amazing. Like I said, like I bought I bought the
shirt. I bought the poster. I'vegot the I got the hat, you know,
I try to support because it'sonly $20 A ticket. I was like, I
felt bad. I was like, I want tolike about a lot of drinks too.
So hopefully you got a littlecut of that. Maybe

we don't get a cut of that. But we definitely
get a cut of that. So keep bythe merch.

Yeah. And then you guys don't do meet and greet.
That's another thing or

Well, you know, a little a lot of it post COVID
We've been like, let's just calmdown. We everybody was getting
sick. We were doing meet andgreets and everybody got sick
and it was a frickin nightmare.
Okay, So it's something we'dlike to do, but man, it's like,
we just, I swear you get sickbecause people just do like

the like kids when they have the

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.
That's a good point. Yeah, cuzit's like I my buddy said like
after COVID He's like, I thinkwe just need to get rid of
handshakes. Like, what is thepoint of that? I'm like, I'm
I'm, I think I'm good with xlike, is it really worth? Yeah,
fist bump or something differentjust because it's not worth
getting sick for, you know,

I know. That's the whole thing, right? It's
your hands like, emanated?

Yeah, absolutely.
Well, thank you so much fordoing this. I always end
promoting a charity or anonprofit, some of the causes
are something that you havethat's near and dear to your
heart.

Right now just, you know, support trans people,
you know, and people havedifferent opinions about it. But
you know, I know some peoplethat are just like, look, we
just don't want to bevillainized for a lifestyle
choice. You know, it's not, I'mnot trying to impede on your
thing. I'm just like, I'm justwant to live my life. You know,

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I went to a drag show recently,for the first time with my first
Pride and I was like, This is somuch fun. This you know, there's
nothing to hate here is justpeople being themselves and
having fun with it. That noone's trying to push something
on me. I went there willingly.
And softplan drag show and itwas a blast. So yeah,

I think we had I went to the rockin pod. And
there's a there. Are youfamiliar with that event in
Nashville? Yeah, it's like allthese bands and all the music
pot rock podcasters and, and oneof the musicians is trans and
nobody actually got up andplayed and nobody cared. It
wasn't. And I was like, kind ofsurprised. I was kind of
nervous. I was like, Nashville,like, Are people gonna throw

(56:42):
stuff? Or you know, I don't knowwhat to expect. And I was like,
okay, good. Like, nobody cares.
Like, and I wish Yeah, peoplethink we just need all of it.
Just love everybody. That'salways been my motto, I guess is
just to kind of accept everyoneand not hurting someone

else. Exactly.
Just don't make a big deal outof it. Just, you know, if it
gets to a point where someone'sreally pissing you off, talk to
him. But other than that, like,just let people be and do their
thing. You know, they're nothurting anybody. Then nobody
should even care.

Right now. That's that's what this country was
founded on. It's religions anddifferent people different
different music. Like you said,you took music people talking
shit to each

area. And that's, you know, we're the
whole hippie movement started.
And then the gay communityreally started big in San
Francisco, the Castro and stuff.
And then thrash metal cameabout, that's what San
Francisco'sfavorite shit that might freak
other people out, but in theend, you're like, do it. You
know? I mean, Metallica,you know that I lived there. And

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it was like thrash metal night,every Monday and shit. And it
was like, you know, the peoplein the neighborhood freak out
all these metal people showingup but they're, they're all
devil worshipers in this musicsway too heavy, but it's like,
it's kind of a little thing likethat. It's like, people even if
you're open minded. See thebeauty in the difference? You
know that that's what life isabout, you know, especially art,

(58:03):
like, you want art to be thesame for 1000s of years. You
want it to evolve, change and becreative. And I think, you know,
like everything from from a dragshow to the Grateful Dead
concert to a Metallica concert,you know? Like, very different
things. Different strokes fordifferent folks.

Absolutely. Yeah.
You guys hung out with theMetallica people? A little bit,
right?

Oh, yeah, we've crossed paths. And then
particularly with Kirk and ofcourse, Robert Trujillo. He was
in a band with with, you know,for a minute medication. Oh,
those and of course, which playsin with the wedding band with
them with Kirk and Rob. They'vedone a few shows. So yeah. And
we've known Kirk since 1987 88.
Just been a friend of ours,because Barry, you know, you

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just meet people. And it wasbefore we even though we're an
ugly kid, Joe, together, we metKurt. And he was he's been one
of them. He's the nicestRockstar I've ever met. Like I
said, I've met him before we'reeven advanced. So he's always
been a sweetheart.

Very cool. All right. Well, look forward to
hopefully some new shows withugly kid Joe. We'll see you
again. I'll have to drive. Maybeif it's California or something
or Vegas again, or maybePhoenix.

Yeah, hope dude. That's such a great
Rocktown man. Right? We weren'tplaying it. You know, because we
I remember back in the dayplaying with Ozzy and playing
clubs there. It was alwaysfrickin Great.

Yeah, you did one.
I saw there was before I movedhere. I used to live in Seattle.
But you guys I saw on like thehistory you guys played a show
with like corn and like,

yeah. Rob, I think and sang with us at that
show. Because Rob lives inPhoenix. Right, right. Yeah,
yeah.

That's a good another good reason to come
here. I forgot. Hey, knowsCooper lives here too.

That's right.
We did a tour with Alice Cooper.
Not that long ago. Yeah. Yeah,he treated us great. He had wit
come out and sing with him. Oneof the songs and Alice Cooper
was super nice. That's whateveryone tells me. That a whole
dude that still puts on a greatshow gives it 110 has all the
power sings great and you knowhe wears the makeup so he just

(01:00:03):
looks like he's always lookedyou know, right you'll have it
as being an old man. He's like ajust a badass frontman, you know
doing his thing and then a greatsinger, and great songs. Great
frickin band. Always a greatband.

Chuck Shute (01:00:14):
Oh yeah, he's got Ryan, Roxy and Nita Strauss.

Klaus Eichstadt (01:00:17):
Yeah, he gets the great players and they just
put on a great show. It's beensuper fun All right,

well, everyone should check out the tour that
if it's coming to their town orif you add dates because I
really I love the one in Vegasit was a great show so and of
course the new records out nowRed Wings of Destiny it's on
everywhere streaming and allthat stuff. Can people get on
vinyl?

Klaus Eichstadt (01:00:37):
Yeah, we were selling vinyl all the time. We
were selling with the shows ofcourse but we could do.net
That's tough because I know wewe've shipped a bunch out here
to sell we didn't make a tonobviously because it's vinyl was
a billion vitals and then youget to the you're sitting there
looking to new shed like I'vegot 600 vinyl records from the

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record we did six years ago.
What are we gonna do with thisshit? Well, there's still people
collect them and they lookreally cool. Of course, they
open up with gospel art. Youknow, we'll probably be selling
a bunch online you know,whatever. There going pretty
quick, so we're still

cool and yeah, like, like I said, all the cool
merch too. I love that stuff. Sopeople should definitely buy
merch. Yeah. All right. Thanksso much. There's a lot of fun. I
appreciate you.
Taking care. Okay, bye bye,Klaus is that he's the ugly kid
Joe OG original guitarist, cm ontour in the US with Fonzie and
pistols at dawn, or one of theother worldwide shows that they

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do. The new album rad Wings ofdestiny is available now along
with lots of cool merch. You canalso support the band by sharing
their stuff on social media. Andsharing this episode on social
media helps the band and mylittle show. So appreciate that.
Make sure you're subscribedwherever you watch, or listen to
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your support. Have a great restof your day and shoot for the
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