August 14, 2025 • 27 mins
Raine Maida discussed his recent film project, which showcases the realities of making music, and his upcoming book and new music. He emphasized the importance of addressing mental health issues, noting that their new single will donate proceeds to mental health organizations. Maida shared experiences from touring with bands like Van Halen and Page and Plant, highlighting the impact of these interactions on his career. He also spoke about the value of music in fostering community and personal growth, and his commitment to supporting young musicians. Maida's conversations with fans and his work with organizations like War Child underscore his dedication to using music as a vehicle for positive change.
00:00 - Intro
00:23 - Raine's Documentary
02:32 - New Single & Mental Health Awareness
04:31 - Music Inspired By Life & Fans Reactions
06:20 - Songs Having Different Meanings
07:55 - Social Media, Community & Music
10:38 - Music Industry Changes & Inspiration
12:05 - New Young Musicians
13:10 - Touring with Page & Plant
15:20 - Van Halen, Sammy Hagar & Entertainers
18:18 - Making Great Music For Yourself
20:18 - Getting Thoughts Out Musically
21:35 - Meeting Heroes & Fans
23:40 - Humanitarian Causes
25:25 - Tour with Collective Soul & Live
26:51 - Outro
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THEME SONG (00:04):
Down with the heavy stars, rocking, rolling through
the cool guitars. Chuck's gotthe questions, digging so sharp,
feeling back layers hitting theheart.
Raine Maida (00:21):
How you doing? I'm good. Thanks. How are you
Chuck Shute (00:23):
great? Yeah, I just watched your movie last night.
Oh my goodness, yeah, I'm a fannow of so much more than just
our Lady peace. I'm a fan ofthis other project. I know it's
probably just that one offthing, but you and your wife
made some amazing music in thatfilm. It was just so real, like
watching,
Raine Maida (00:42):
hope you were drinking while you're watching
Chuck Shute (00:45):
it. Oh no, it's fun. It was because you hear so
many of these stories, you know,doing these interviews about how
music is made and the fights andall this, and that's the
creativity. And it's like, yougot, we got to see it in this
film. It was really cool.
Raine Maida (00:59):
Yeah, I'm, well, I appreciate you saying that,
because that's kind of the oneof the things, you know, where
we were filming it, we wantedit. We figured, hey, we're going
away to film this record. And wedid it all. But obviously it got
all the other stuff. And thenwhen they were in the edit room,
it's like, if we don't includethat, getting to one of these
songs, like just showing, oh,all of a sudden, we just wrote
(01:21):
this song, like, if you don'tshow the fight before it, it's
like, it's not gonna make sense.
So we both kind of twisted eachother's arm to say, we need to
keep that stuff in there. And itbecame a different thing. But I
love
Chuck Shute (01:32):
it. I'm proud of it. Yeah, it's real. See, that's
what I like, very real. Well,the documentaries are edited to
show it, and it's like, thisperfect good thing. It's so
fake. And this was real. Itshowed the good and the bad, and
then obviously you see theresults at the end, the music
that you guys made together. Andthen it also just kind of shows
how cutthroat the music businessis. Because why these songs are
(01:55):
not like the biggest number onehits of all time? Oh,
Raine Maida (01:58):
I appreciate you, man, yeah, wherever. Well, I
mean, we're actually, it'sfunny, we have a book that we're
just finishing, kind of based onall the feet. We had such great
feedback from that film, wherefans were just saying, oh, you
know what? This just normalizesmy relationship and this, and
that was so we wrote this book.
We're just finishing the edit ofnow, and we have a new music
coming out as well. So we're,this is a thing, like, we're
really excited about it and it'sreal.
Chuck Shute (02:22):
That's very cool.
And I think, too, that's what'scool about learning about you
and like, what you're about,that the social causes, like,
with this new single, thewhatever, the Redux, or
whatever, yeah, you've kind ofturned this into a positive
thing, this tragedy, and nowyou're donating the proceeds of
mental health organizations. Ilove that. I worked in mental
health for 17 years. Soawareness is just so great to
(02:45):
especially someone with your,you know, celebrity status, that
can actually shut a light on it,not just try to sell more
singles. You're actually tryingto do something with I love
that.
Raine Maida (02:57):
Yeah. I mean, it's so easy to say, hey, we're doing
this. We're trying to endstigma, you know, and not that
that's a cliche, like it's real,but this finally gave us a
vehicle to feel like, yeah, wecan talk. We talk about this at
every show, the reactions superpositive. And so I think it like
it is helping end stigma,because we talk about, just say,
You know what this guy had, youknow, probably some CT, he was a
(03:19):
wrestler, but that creates thismental health kind of like
spiral. And we saw whathappened. Don't suffer in
silence. You got it. Reach outto people. You should feel
comfortable talking about mentalhealth, you know, issues and and
so the idea of, like, peoplebeing in crisis, hopefully,
it's, hopefully people get that,and it's, and I'm surprised by
the reaction, because it'salways, like, a little bit
(03:40):
touchy, but the crowd just kindof, you know, there's huge
applause for it. And I feel likeit's, it's very communal, so I
think we're making headwaythere. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (03:48):
no, that's exactly right. I love what um I heard Dr
drew say this. It was so cool. Ireally like this analogy. Like,
if you're feeling, if you're inthat spot where you're just
really feeling suicidal, orurges to hurt yourself or
someone else, you have to call911, and treat it like a medical
emergency, like, and that'sreally what it is,
Raine Maida (04:07):
yeah, yeah. It's nice. It's funny, right? The
brain, we treat differently thanlike, if you think you're having
a heart attack or you broke yourarm. Once we get to where those
are all the same exist in thesame kind of crisis, then I
think we're in much betterplace. But, yeah, the quote of
treating it like a physicalanimal, it is, it is your it's
your brain.
Chuck Shute (04:26):
Yeah. Does it like when you start diving into these
causes and things? Does thathelp inspire the music?
Raine Maida (04:34):
I mean, I don't think I can ever write music,
especially on the lyric side,without having like human
experiences. You know, the ideaof like, and I've been there
where I've kind of, like, takenthree months off and haven't
done, you know, whether it'safter a long tour or making a
record, where I haven't reallydone anything, and then I go to
write and I'm like, Oh, Ihaven't done anything. Like, no
(04:55):
wonder, there's nothing reallyto talk about. So, yeah, I mean,
I've traveled. Who, you know,from like Iraq and Darfur and
and Ethiopia and differentplaces with with organizations,
and then, you know, being in themental health kind of game and
just advocating for differentthings. It just gets you out
there, and it gets you to tohave these experiences that are,
(05:16):
you know, usually profound, andsomehow make their way through,
through music. And it's notalways stuff that's that heavy.
But again, I think the abilityto just to live and get outside
of yourself is really importantto be a songwriter.
Chuck Shute (05:30):
Yeah, do you hear a lot of those stories from fans
about songs that you've writtenand performed that have changed
their life? I mean, I just, Ifeel like that's pretty common
in the music. Yeah, yeah,
Raine Maida (05:41):
yeah, and and, and a lot of them are, like, part of
that, that life experience whereit's like, hey, that's actually
not what the song was writtenabout. But if that was your
experience with it, that's, tome, that's such a magical,
beautiful thing I felt. I thinkI felt that way. There was
something about songs when I wasgrowing up that was almost just
(06:01):
like religious. To me, it waslike, That was that was therapy,
it was philosophy, it wasspiritual. And so I'm always
blown away when I hear storiesfrom fans,
Chuck Shute (06:13):
yeah? So there's certain songs that you've
written that were not and thenpeople tell you, Oh, this, you
know, resonated with me, and itwas totally the opposite.
Raine Maida (06:22):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, clumsy tends to be one of
those songs where it's justabout the human struggle, and,
you know, the juxtaposition ofsomeone you know out there in
the ocean, and you're looking atthem, and it looks like they're
waving to you, but they'reactually drowning, you know, and
that, I think that was alwayslike a mental health concept. To
me, it's like, are we seeingsomeone for what they're they
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really are, like, you thinkthey're waving, kind of like
they're smiling and they'rehappy, and if someone's too
happy, there's like, maybethere's something deeper here.
And that was always what clumsy,that pre course, and clumsy was
about. So seeing people notmisinterpreted, but, but think
it's about, you know, theirbrother, or something more
personal, when it's really justabout this more general thing. I
(07:05):
love that they can do that. Andthat's, that's the beauty of
songwriting. Yeah, I know when Iwas a
Chuck Shute (07:09):
kid, like when I was a teenager, I remember just
listening to a lot of metal.
And, I mean, it wasn't evennecessarily the lyrics, it was
just like, how the the song madeyou feel, like it was
aggressive, like Pantera orMetallica or whatever, and it
would just, you know, get youout of your your funk, like you
were mad about something. Youcould listen to that. And that
would kind of like, get out the
Raine Maida (07:27):
emotion. Oh man, you know what? Chuck there. I
listen to this a lot when I'mworking out. I've always been a
huge Deftones fan, but I can'tremember the name of song right
now. I apologize. I need anothercoffee. But the chorus just
says, and God bless you all forthe thoughts you something, and
I'm like, Just feels. It's aheavy freaking song, but it just
feels so good. You know? It'slike, it's such even, even if
(07:48):
that's all Chino said was, Godbless you all. It's really just
that lyric under the chords andthe way he's singing. It's just
like, Oh my God, why can't wejust be kind to each other? You
know what I mean? Like, whycan't we look at each other in
those lights sometime, and thatit's funny that, like, that
little example is, like, trulythe magic of music. For me,
Chuck Shute (08:09):
that's awesome. I love that. Yeah, that's such a
great message. I feel likethat's definitely lacking in the
world. Although, if you get outof the internet, you go into the
real world, and you sit downtalk to people one on one.
Everyone's like, really cool,even if you have different
political beliefs or differentor whatever, it doesn't all that
shit in real life. Yes, give afuck, right? Like, it's just,
(08:30):
it's the Internet people. Itbrings out the worst in people.
And people have thesediscussions about music or
sports, and they're like, readyto kill each other. And I'm
like, what people
Raine Maida (08:39):
social media is literally a race to the bottom.
They're just trying to get youto be as vile as you can. And I
agree, like, once you put downthat phone, people are generally
good. We need to have faith inthat.
Chuck Shute (08:52):
Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to figure out, like,
how do we get people together?
Because I think back in the day,it used to be the church was a
big that was a big communitywhere everybody gathered, and
now I think a lot of youngerpeople are not religious, and
probably a lot of my generationare really, not really. I mean,
there is, there is that portion,but then what about the people
who aren't religious? I mean,are we going to try to convert
(09:13):
everybody religious, or othercommunity kind of things that
people can do? Or besides barstoo, because, you know, you
start getting older, you can'tdrink as much as you used to,
either.
Raine Maida (09:24):
So, yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (09:28):
don't know what the answer is, but it's fun.
Raine Maida (09:31):
I think music plays a role in that, because I think
Yeah, still has this, thisspiritual connection, and it can
move you more than binging a TVshow sometimes, like, I, you
know, you just talk about thevalue of music and how we've
unfortunately undervalued it,you know, with all the, you
know, the new, like, theparadigm shift in the music
business, the fact that I, youknow, I put on, like a Jeff
(09:55):
Buckley record or a Deftonesrecord, and it just takes me
away, and it makes me. Feel goodagain, you know. And I can do
that for the next 50 years, andI've done it for the last 30
years. And so that shows you howvaluable a song is to our psyche
and our future existence,whereas we just, unfortunately,
(10:18):
everything else has more value,and music's kind of been
depleted to the bottom of thebarrel where, you know, like you
said, where everyone wouldrather Doom scroll, then then
sit and listen to maybe analbum. And I'm not, I don't want
to sound old in terms of, like,that's where we should get back
to. But I think if there's onething that can save us, it's
music.
Chuck Shute (10:38):
Yeah, it's interesting to see the pluses
and minuses of how the musicindustry has changed. Because, I
think back in the day, andyou've talked about this, how,
you know, the record companieswere kind of the gatekeepers,
and, like, obviously there was abad thing to that, because there
was a lot of talented musicianswho didn't get their chance. But
the good thing about that isthere was less music to listen
to. So when an album came out,it was, like, it was a big
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thing, like, everybody couldlisten to the same music. Like
in the 60s and 70s were allthese, you know, very
inspirational like peace songsand political songs that
everybody, kind of, the wholecountry, got behind. Now there's
just, there's so much musiceveryone's kind of in their all
different little kind ofsections of music. Like, it's
great in some ways, but there'snot one song that everyone is
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listening to,
Raine Maida (11:21):
yeah, it's, you're right. It's that's, that's
really on point. It's much morefractured these days. But, you
know, I think there's still, Ithink as as a community, we are
looking for those, those kind oflike watershed moments in life,
where it moves the hell out ofyou. And everyone does find that
together. I see that happen infilm. Sometimes. I think you see
(11:43):
that with some with some TVshows that people binge that
have that effect. But yeah, I'mkind of waiting for that next
thing in music. I think it'sthere. I think it's coming.
Especially a lot of the night,when I look at the young
musicians making music, it'sreal music. There's a lot of
like people trying to startbands again, which wasn't
happening for the last 10 years,but I see that happening now,
(12:04):
and I see, you know, I was with,there's a, there's a young
artist on this tour with uscalled Grayland, James Rue and
her boyfriend's a musician.
She's a great musician, andthey're trying to make real
music, and they're, they'retalking about, you know, she was
talking about her autoimmunedisease on stage the other night
and and was like, wow, thesekids are brave, man, I think so
that next generation is reallygonna gonna make some waves.
Chuck Shute (12:28):
Oh, that's good to hear. Yeah, I saw that name when
I was looking at your tourhistory, and I was like, Oh,
I'll have to ask you about that.
So she's really talented anddoing real music, not using
electronics.
Raine Maida (12:38):
Oh, man, she's the real deal. She comes from, like,
you know, her dad was kind of ahippie. Listen to a lot of
Zeppelin, but listen to currentmusic too. But she gets up there
and it's just the real deal.
She's got a rock band, andpeople are loving and I just,
and when I talk to her, andlike, her boyfriend's an artist
as well. He's on the road doingall the video stuff, when I talk
to them, I'm like, Okay, I gotfaith in this next generation.
Chuck Shute (13:01):
That's cool. So you said, you mentioned Zeppelin. I
was gonna, did you tour withpage and plant?
Raine Maida (13:07):
We did. Man, we were, we're on this crate. It
was like we were just startingdown here in the US, and we were
starting to, like, you know,bring fans out to our own little
shows, club shows. So we're at,we loaded into the Middle East
in Boston, which is, like, acool club. And I was like, you
know, Frank Black's on the wall,and Nirvana signed a poster, and
sound garden had signed, youknow. So it's like, this is what
we're supposed to be doing. Andthen about seven o'clock, right
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before his sound check, our tourmanager runs, and he goes,
you're not going to believethis. It was Robert Plant was
just riding around in a littleNew York, and heard star seed,
which was our single on theradio. And he was like, he just
called us and he said these guysgot to come home for us in
Indianapolis and join the tour.
I was like, okay, but we'redoing this show tonight, and
fans have already boughttickets. Like, I don't care. We
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are leaving and we're going todo this. And it was an epic you
know, it's like, Robert Plantcame up to me, talked about that
first album we made, Naveed, andwas telling me much he liked the
lyric. Lyrics and the sound, Iwas just like, what is
happening? And he was thesweetest guy in the world. And
it kind of set me up for thiscareer in music where it's like,
you know what? If that guy's nota dick, don't ever be a dick.
Chuck Shute (14:17):
I love that. That is so you kind of learn that now
you're passing that to peoplelike grayling.
Raine Maida (14:23):
I hope so. Like, I think a I think we got to always
support each other, but yeah,like, egos and that stuff there.
I get it. You have to have anego just to be a singer in a
band, but you got to keep it incheck, because we just got to
keep this wheel turning before,you know, like, it's the music
business is hard enough thesedays. So you have to like what
Robert did to me. I can't, Ican't really do the same thing
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to grayling because I don't havethat weight. But being there as
a sounding board, being there asyou know, anytime she wants
advice, I've 100% that.
Chuck Shute (14:53):
Yeah, I mean, so that is something that you like
to do, is kind of mentor or helpyoung bands as much as you can.
Because. Still in the business.
Like,
Raine Maida (15:01):
yeah, but I mean that. But that says something,
and so is Robert Plant, by theway. You know, it's like that
that shows you, that shows youwhere your priorities are. Like,
we're still and Robert stillmaking new music. You know,
we're not some nostalgia.
Obviously, Robert isn't. And forgrayling to see that you can
have this long career is it'sreally important to show that?
Chuck Shute (15:21):
Yeah, you, you toured with Van Halen too, but I
was reading that that didn't goas well, or something. Like,
there was, you almost got kickedoff the tour, but it was like a
thing where Eddie and Alexwanted you, but Sammy didn't, or
something. There was some,
Raine Maida (15:32):
yeah, I mean, it was tough. And I'd heard stories
like Alice in Chains to tourthem before. I heard that was
tough on those guys, so I knewit was going to be different. It
was just, it was the same thing,you know, watch like it was like
those fans, they wanted thesethey they paid tickets to Steve
Van Halen, not some band. They'dmaybe heard one song from play
for 40 minutes. So I had a lotof fans in the front row just
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giving me, like the fingers thewhole time. And I was cool with
it for a minute. I actuallydidn't mind it. I always look at
being on stage like a bit ofbattle. It's like a war. It's
like a war for hearts and mindsof the audience. But I was fine
with it. But Sammy came up to meone day, was like, Dude, this
isn't working. You've got to be,like, you know, an entertainer.
You have to be you have to tryto get the crowd excited and
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have fun up there. And I waslike, Dude, I'm not. I love what
you do. You're an amazingsinger. I grew up in Van Halen,
like, 1984 I almost got thetattoo like, but I'm not, you
like, I don't wear short, youknow, I'm just not that kind of,
I I see it a line between like,being an artist and entertainer.
And I said, fortunately, man, Imean, I'm more like, I'm more on
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that artist side. So I'm not,I'm not the guy that's going to
go try to rile up the crowd, andit's not a party for me. This is
my art and and he was just like,awesome. You guys are done, but
Alex and Eddie really supportedus. And, you know, I think, I
think Sam is just having a badday, but, yeah, Alex, Alex and
Eddie are, like, they're,they're musical heroes to me. I
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was so sad when Eddie passedaway, but those guys literally
saved us from the on the tour.
But also those guys practice somuch like Eddie would walk into
catering at noon with a guitaron. He would start sound check
too early, two hours early, andjust like that, you have to be
your craft. And he was, and samewith Alex and like that. That
taught us all a lot. Yeah,that's
Chuck Shute (17:22):
what I heard. The same thing. I had guitars from
ugly kid Joe that they hadopened for Van Halen. He said,
Yeah, you'd walk into thedressing room and Eddie would be
in there with his tighty whitiesand just playing the guitar
Raine Maida (17:35):
that dude never needed to practice. But he was
loved it. It was, it was a part.
It was like a, you know, a fifthlimb was an extension of what
who he was as a person. And thatis just like that. If you want
to be in his business, that is apiece of advice for a young
artist. Like, you have to bethat,
Chuck Shute (17:52):
yeah, you have to really love it, the music part
of it. You can love the businesspart too, but yeah, like,
eventually that you'll burnyourself out if you're just
trying to chase the views andthe listeners
Raine Maida (18:03):
and the funner percent, like Eddie, yeah, he
wasn't playing for everyone. Hewas playing for himself, like
you said, in his underwear, inhis dressing room, or at
catering, you know, everyoneelse eating. He's just playing
guitar. It's like you have tolove it that much. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (18:16):
just saw this clip of Rick Rubin, and he was saying
how he only makes music for heonly makes things for himself,
like, he's not making it for thegeneral public. And he's like,
if you're true to yourself andyou're making something that you
think is good, then you'll havegood results.
Raine Maida (18:32):
Dude, I'm, I'm 100% with that. There was a moment in
that film you were that my wifeand I made where she says, like,
is this song for the masses? AndI was like, whoa. It started a
huge fight. I was like, What doyou mean the masses? Like, we
are not making music for themasses. We're making music so
the both of us walk out of thishotel room on this little French
Island loving the music. I don'tcare who here, and you have to
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think that way. Yeah, I'm, I'mcompletely lying with Rick,
because if you, if you do lovesomething that much, chances are
someone else will too,
Chuck Shute (19:02):
right? Yeah, I think it shows, like, that's I
could see in that film. Youcould see how passionate you
both were about why, why youthought the song should be this
way or that way, and like, andthat Creative Chemistry, I think
made the great music. Like, ifboth of you were just like,
Yeah, whatever, like, Yeah,whatever, it doesn't matter. It
wouldn't have sounded that good.
Raine Maida (19:22):
No, and my and my wife comes. My wife's, you know,
no, not many people knows, butshe's written like she's written
big songs for dremar and allthese people. So she knows how
to write like a pop song. Butthis was a different thing. It's
like, this is, this was supposedto be so personal, and we did
it, and we made stuff that istruly personal, but sometimes
you got to battle to get there,you know?
Chuck Shute (19:43):
Yeah, it kind of reminded me of a star is born.
Was it partly inspired by thatat all? I We did it. We did our
film. Was made before that. Ihaven't seen that movie. Oh,
yeah, but yeah. But I get the,you know, I get the comparisons.
I have to watch it one day. I'llsee it on a plane or something.
You. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, youheard the songs. I'm sure I
heard that one song, yeah, forsure, yeah, yeah, no. The whole
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thing is, I mean, obviouslyit's, it's different because
it's scripted or ever but yeah,I mean, it's similar kind of
thing, or I just love music. SoI'm so jealous of people that
can create I, you know, I triedto play guitar, and I sucked. I
was like, damn it, I love
Raine Maida (20:17):
music. Everyone could play guitar. You just
gotta Yeah, I mean, I
Chuck Shute (20:21):
can do some of the back and do some Metallica riffs
and stuff. It's fun. But whenyou, when you watch people like
yourself, are just like, Okay,no, I'll leave this to the
professionals, like you guys areso amazing that and you just you
felt like you always had thattalent in you, or did you
something you kind of developedover the years?
Raine Maida (20:38):
I knew early on that I had to find a way to talk
to my thought, like, to get mylike, I'd always write thoughts
and like, you know, even atschool, like, on the back of my
binders for math, I'd be writingthese thoughts on that. And I
was like, shit, what am I gonnado with these? I didn't really
want to be a poet. I writingbooks. For some reason, I just
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felt like those weren't the typeof thought. Like, I didn't want
these long form things. I lovedhaving these small ideas. And
so, you know, I was in early onin my life, it was like, you
know, Neil Young and rush andyou early, you two records and,
and I just felt like, Okay, whatthey're doing, like, there's,
there's a synergy here and withwhat they're saying and the way
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it makes you feel and what I'mtrying to write. So I felt like,
you know what, better than howto play guitar and learn how to
sing, and this is going to bethe way?
Chuck Shute (21:26):
Yeah, no, that's awesome. Have you? So you had
the chance to meet Van Halen andpage and plant. Were there other
artists like that, like, Rushand stuff that you did? You get
a chance to meet those people?
Raine Maida (21:38):
And, yeah, I mean, even like, even even up to like
Bono, like we we've had thechance to sit and talk music,
talk life, with a lot of theselegendary artists. I mean, even
these guys with you know, bothEDS from Collective Soul and
live the tour right now, it'slike people that have lived a
life of music just have uniqueexpect experiences and and kind
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of expectations that aredifferent in terms of it is
about connection like our livesare. Are all around you. Write
this song, kind of by yourselfor with your band, and then you
you want to take it out becauseyou want it to connect you to
other people. So it really isabout having conversations and
and as much as I love talking tothose people, you said it
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before, I love talking to fansalmost even more, because those,
those are the people that arereally like getting value from
the music and and puttingthemselves in your place. And if
you, if you're, if you'reblessed enough to have those
experiences with fans, man,that's that's where the true art
exists.
Chuck Shute (22:38):
Yeah, so you're not like, annoyed when a fan comes
up to you and great,
Raine Maida (22:45):
we do those. We do these VIP meet and greets and I
and, you know, some bands just,they take the money and they
just, it's like, oh, here's yourpicture, and thank you, and
here's your gift bag out. Wemake it a the whole band,
everyone in OLP, we make it apriority. We give everyone,
like, time to talk. And almostlike, tell us we don't see it,
but they all kind of do, becausethey know they have this, this
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vehicle to talk. It's like, whatis the what? Like, tell us, tell
us your story, why you'reconnected to this band. And man,
honest to God, Chuck. Like,sometimes we need, like, an hour
before we go on stage, becausesome of these stories are so
heavy, you just need todecompress and like, take it in,
have gratitude, but like, justbe like, holy shit. That just
blew my mind. And you know, youcan't wash it off you. But I
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there's there's moments whereit's like, you guys are on in 15
and where we tell our tourmanagers, like, there's no way,
like we need a minute. This wasso heavy. What we just heard,
Chuck Shute (23:37):
wow, that's awesome. And then just the fact
that you're doing so muchcharity work too. That's like
taking it to the next level.
Like, you know, I mean, themusic alone is, I think,
changing the world for thebetter. But then the fact that
you're doing all, I mean, wonthese awards and things and work
with War Child and all theseorganizations. Did you talk to
Bono about that when you methim? Did you guys discuss that
at all? Like, humanitariancauses?
Raine Maida (24:01):
Yeah. I mean, the the thing with, with with those
guys is specifically, you know,you have to do stuff. You can't
just, it's not it can ever bepart of your brand. You're not
trying to, oh, I need to do thisand that and make my brand look
better for us. It's always beenspecifically me. It's always
been like, what am I connectedto? Like, War Child, because
they work with children in moreeffective regions, music and
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play. It's about mental health.
Again, it's about getting thesekids have seen like, unspeakable
sadness. How do you help them bejust kids again, like an eight
year old kid, and have joy whenthey've seen potentially the
village blown up or lost familymembers, and it's always through
like play, which is, you know,just a soccer ball, or it's
through music which helps themescape. So the fact that war
child is so intrinsicallyattached to music that made
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perfect sense. You know, my wifeand I, we have, you know,
everyone's family has someone init that has mental health
problems. So that's an easy oneas well. You know, when you,
when you when you live, thatyou. Firsthand, you can't help
but connect yourself to mentalhealth. So again, it's never
about, you know, thinking of itvery Machiavellian in terms of,
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like, oh, we need to work with acharity for our brand. It's not
that at all. It's personal shit.
Chuck Shute (25:14):
No, I could tell, I mean, you're very genuine, and,
I mean, people could see that inthe film. And I think that's
awesome. I love the music. Ilove what you're doing with the
new song and the proceeds. Youguys are going to be out on
tour. You're out on tour now, Ithink with collective soul and
live and grayling, is it live orlive? I thought when they first
came out, they said, You guysare all mispronouncing it, it's
live.
Raine Maida (25:36):
Now it's definitely live. Yeah, definitely, yeah,
live. The band, yeah, when
Chuck Shute (25:39):
they first came on MTV. Though I'll never forget
that. Though, really, everyone'sbeen mispronouncing it. The band
is called Live. And then I waslike, Oh, really, everyone's
been
Raine Maida (25:47):
like, well, that's funny, because I remember that
whole record came out was calledlive through this. And I was
like, is it live through this?
Because you can always misskids. So funny,
Chuck Shute (25:56):
right? Yeah, awesome. Very cool. Well, I have
to check that out if you guyshit Phoenix or anywhere nearby
here I'll drive.
Raine Maida (26:03):
No, we're not playing Phoenix, but we are.
We're just routing like an OLPheadlining tour for the US,
probably like in February,March. So I'm sure we'll be in
your neck of the woods, forsure. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (26:13):
I've never seen you guys live now becoming started
doing a deep dive into yourcatalog. I mean, do you do any
of that solo stuff, or the moon
Raine Maida (26:20):
versus I don't, but my wife, my wife and, I guess, I
don't know if I mentioned mywife and have a book coming out
in a new album as well. So we'llbe doing that as well. You know,
we just try to be creative aspossible every day. So tons of
stuff coming, but I do, I reallyappreciate you watch that film
that's, that's amazing.
Chuck Shute (26:37):
Yeah, no, I'm like, I said, I just did a deep dive,
and I'm loving your wholecatalog, and the other stuff
that your moon versus sun, allthis stuff is great. Look
forward to the new album in thebook that sounds Yeah. We'll
Raine Maida (26:47):
hit you up for sure. Yeah. Thanks so much rain.
Thanks, Chuck.
Down with the heavy stars, rocking, rolling through
the cool guitars. Chuck's gotthe questions, digging so sharp,
feeling back layers hitting theheart.
Raine Maida (00:21):
How you doing? I'm good. Thanks. How are you
Chuck Shute (00:23):
great? Yeah, I just watched your movie last night.
Oh my goodness, yeah, I'm a fannow of so much more than just
our Lady peace. I'm a fan ofthis other project. I know it's
probably just that one offthing, but you and your wife
made some amazing music in thatfilm. It was just so real, like
watching,
Raine Maida (00:42):
hope you were drinking while you're watching
Chuck Shute (00:45):
it. Oh no, it's fun. It was because you hear so
many of these stories, you know,doing these interviews about how
music is made and the fights andall this, and that's the
creativity. And it's like, yougot, we got to see it in this
film. It was really cool.
Raine Maida (00:59):
Yeah, I'm, well, I appreciate you saying that,
because that's kind of the oneof the things, you know, where
we were filming it, we wantedit. We figured, hey, we're going
away to film this record. And wedid it all. But obviously it got
all the other stuff. And thenwhen they were in the edit room,
it's like, if we don't includethat, getting to one of these
songs, like just showing, oh,all of a sudden, we just wrote
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this song, like, if you don'tshow the fight before it, it's
like, it's not gonna make sense.
So we both kind of twisted eachother's arm to say, we need to
keep that stuff in there. And itbecame a different thing. But I
love
Chuck Shute (01:32):
it. I'm proud of it. Yeah, it's real. See, that's
what I like, very real. Well,the documentaries are edited to
show it, and it's like, thisperfect good thing. It's so
fake. And this was real. Itshowed the good and the bad, and
then obviously you see theresults at the end, the music
that you guys made together. Andthen it also just kind of shows
how cutthroat the music businessis. Because why these songs are
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not like the biggest number onehits of all time? Oh,
Raine Maida (01:58):
I appreciate you, man, yeah, wherever. Well, I
mean, we're actually, it'sfunny, we have a book that we're
just finishing, kind of based onall the feet. We had such great
feedback from that film, wherefans were just saying, oh, you
know what? This just normalizesmy relationship and this, and
that was so we wrote this book.
We're just finishing the edit ofnow, and we have a new music
coming out as well. So we're,this is a thing, like, we're
really excited about it and it'sreal.
Chuck Shute (02:22):
That's very cool.
And I think, too, that's what'scool about learning about you
and like, what you're about,that the social causes, like,
with this new single, thewhatever, the Redux, or
whatever, yeah, you've kind ofturned this into a positive
thing, this tragedy, and nowyou're donating the proceeds of
mental health organizations. Ilove that. I worked in mental
health for 17 years. Soawareness is just so great to
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especially someone with your,you know, celebrity status, that
can actually shut a light on it,not just try to sell more
singles. You're actually tryingto do something with I love
that.
Raine Maida (02:57):
Yeah. I mean, it's so easy to say, hey, we're doing
this. We're trying to endstigma, you know, and not that
that's a cliche, like it's real,but this finally gave us a
vehicle to feel like, yeah, wecan talk. We talk about this at
every show, the reactions superpositive. And so I think it like
it is helping end stigma,because we talk about, just say,
You know what this guy had, youknow, probably some CT, he was a
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wrestler, but that creates thismental health kind of like
spiral. And we saw whathappened. Don't suffer in
silence. You got it. Reach outto people. You should feel
comfortable talking about mentalhealth, you know, issues and and
so the idea of, like, peoplebeing in crisis, hopefully,
it's, hopefully people get that,and it's, and I'm surprised by
the reaction, because it'salways, like, a little bit
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touchy, but the crowd just kindof, you know, there's huge
applause for it. And I feel likeit's, it's very communal, so I
think we're making headwaythere. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (03:48):
no, that's exactly right. I love what um I heard Dr
drew say this. It was so cool. Ireally like this analogy. Like,
if you're feeling, if you're inthat spot where you're just
really feeling suicidal, orurges to hurt yourself or
someone else, you have to call911, and treat it like a medical
emergency, like, and that'sreally what it is,
Raine Maida (04:07):
yeah, yeah. It's nice. It's funny, right? The
brain, we treat differently thanlike, if you think you're having
a heart attack or you broke yourarm. Once we get to where those
are all the same exist in thesame kind of crisis, then I
think we're in much betterplace. But, yeah, the quote of
treating it like a physicalanimal, it is, it is your it's
your brain.
Chuck Shute (04:26):
Yeah. Does it like when you start diving into these
causes and things? Does thathelp inspire the music?
Raine Maida (04:34):
I mean, I don't think I can ever write music,
especially on the lyric side,without having like human
experiences. You know, the ideaof like, and I've been there
where I've kind of, like, takenthree months off and haven't
done, you know, whether it'safter a long tour or making a
record, where I haven't reallydone anything, and then I go to
write and I'm like, Oh, Ihaven't done anything. Like, no
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wonder, there's nothing reallyto talk about. So, yeah, I mean,
I've traveled. Who, you know,from like Iraq and Darfur and
and Ethiopia and differentplaces with with organizations,
and then, you know, being in themental health kind of game and
just advocating for differentthings. It just gets you out
there, and it gets you to tohave these experiences that are,
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you know, usually profound, andsomehow make their way through,
through music. And it's notalways stuff that's that heavy.
But again, I think the abilityto just to live and get outside
of yourself is really importantto be a songwriter.
Chuck Shute (05:30):
Yeah, do you hear a lot of those stories from fans
about songs that you've writtenand performed that have changed
their life? I mean, I just, Ifeel like that's pretty common
in the music. Yeah, yeah,
Raine Maida (05:41):
yeah, and and, and a lot of them are, like, part of
that, that life experience whereit's like, hey, that's actually
not what the song was writtenabout. But if that was your
experience with it, that's, tome, that's such a magical,
beautiful thing I felt. I thinkI felt that way. There was
something about songs when I wasgrowing up that was almost just
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like religious. To me, it waslike, That was that was therapy,
it was philosophy, it wasspiritual. And so I'm always
blown away when I hear storiesfrom fans,
Chuck Shute (06:13):
yeah? So there's certain songs that you've
written that were not and thenpeople tell you, Oh, this, you
know, resonated with me, and itwas totally the opposite.
Raine Maida (06:22):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, clumsy tends to be one of
those songs where it's justabout the human struggle, and,
you know, the juxtaposition ofsomeone you know out there in
the ocean, and you're looking atthem, and it looks like they're
waving to you, but they'reactually drowning, you know, and
that, I think that was alwayslike a mental health concept. To
me, it's like, are we seeingsomeone for what they're they
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really are, like, you thinkthey're waving, kind of like
they're smiling and they'rehappy, and if someone's too
happy, there's like, maybethere's something deeper here.
And that was always what clumsy,that pre course, and clumsy was
about. So seeing people notmisinterpreted, but, but think
it's about, you know, theirbrother, or something more
personal, when it's really justabout this more general thing. I
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love that they can do that. Andthat's, that's the beauty of
songwriting. Yeah, I know when Iwas a
Chuck Shute (07:09):
kid, like when I was a teenager, I remember just
listening to a lot of metal.
And, I mean, it wasn't evennecessarily the lyrics, it was
just like, how the the song madeyou feel, like it was
aggressive, like Pantera orMetallica or whatever, and it
would just, you know, get youout of your your funk, like you
were mad about something. Youcould listen to that. And that
would kind of like, get out the
Raine Maida (07:27):
emotion. Oh man, you know what? Chuck there. I
listen to this a lot when I'mworking out. I've always been a
huge Deftones fan, but I can'tremember the name of song right
now. I apologize. I need anothercoffee. But the chorus just
says, and God bless you all forthe thoughts you something, and
I'm like, Just feels. It's aheavy freaking song, but it just
feels so good. You know? It'slike, it's such even, even if
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that's all Chino said was, Godbless you all. It's really just
that lyric under the chords andthe way he's singing. It's just
like, Oh my God, why can't wejust be kind to each other? You
know what I mean? Like, whycan't we look at each other in
those lights sometime, and thatit's funny that, like, that
little example is, like, trulythe magic of music. For me,
Chuck Shute (08:09):
that's awesome. I love that. Yeah, that's such a
great message. I feel likethat's definitely lacking in the
world. Although, if you get outof the internet, you go into the
real world, and you sit downtalk to people one on one.
Everyone's like, really cool,even if you have different
political beliefs or differentor whatever, it doesn't all that
shit in real life. Yes, give afuck, right? Like, it's just,
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it's the Internet people. Itbrings out the worst in people.
And people have thesediscussions about music or
sports, and they're like, readyto kill each other. And I'm
like, what people
Raine Maida (08:39):
social media is literally a race to the bottom.
They're just trying to get youto be as vile as you can. And I
agree, like, once you put downthat phone, people are generally
good. We need to have faith inthat.
Chuck Shute (08:52):
Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to figure out, like,
how do we get people together?
Because I think back in the day,it used to be the church was a
big that was a big communitywhere everybody gathered, and
now I think a lot of youngerpeople are not religious, and
probably a lot of my generationare really, not really. I mean,
there is, there is that portion,but then what about the people
who aren't religious? I mean,are we going to try to convert
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everybody religious, or othercommunity kind of things that
people can do? Or besides barstoo, because, you know, you
start getting older, you can'tdrink as much as you used to,
either.
Raine Maida (09:24):
So, yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (09:28):
don't know what the answer is, but it's fun.
Raine Maida (09:31):
I think music plays a role in that, because I think
Yeah, still has this, thisspiritual connection, and it can
move you more than binging a TVshow sometimes, like, I, you
know, you just talk about thevalue of music and how we've
unfortunately undervalued it,you know, with all the, you
know, the new, like, theparadigm shift in the music
business, the fact that I, youknow, I put on, like a Jeff
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Buckley record or a Deftonesrecord, and it just takes me
away, and it makes me. Feel goodagain, you know. And I can do
that for the next 50 years, andI've done it for the last 30
years. And so that shows you howvaluable a song is to our psyche
and our future existence,whereas we just, unfortunately,
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everything else has more value,and music's kind of been
depleted to the bottom of thebarrel where, you know, like you
said, where everyone wouldrather Doom scroll, then then
sit and listen to maybe analbum. And I'm not, I don't want
to sound old in terms of, like,that's where we should get back
to. But I think if there's onething that can save us, it's
music.
Chuck Shute (10:38):
Yeah, it's interesting to see the pluses
and minuses of how the musicindustry has changed. Because, I
think back in the day, andyou've talked about this, how,
you know, the record companieswere kind of the gatekeepers,
and, like, obviously there was abad thing to that, because there
was a lot of talented musicianswho didn't get their chance. But
the good thing about that isthere was less music to listen
to. So when an album came out,it was, like, it was a big
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thing, like, everybody couldlisten to the same music. Like
in the 60s and 70s were allthese, you know, very
inspirational like peace songsand political songs that
everybody, kind of, the wholecountry, got behind. Now there's
just, there's so much musiceveryone's kind of in their all
different little kind ofsections of music. Like, it's
great in some ways, but there'snot one song that everyone is
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listening to,
Raine Maida (11:21):
yeah, it's, you're right. It's that's, that's
really on point. It's much morefractured these days. But, you
know, I think there's still, Ithink as as a community, we are
looking for those, those kind oflike watershed moments in life,
where it moves the hell out ofyou. And everyone does find that
together. I see that happen infilm. Sometimes. I think you see
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that with some with some TVshows that people binge that
have that effect. But yeah, I'mkind of waiting for that next
thing in music. I think it'sthere. I think it's coming.
Especially a lot of the night,when I look at the young
musicians making music, it'sreal music. There's a lot of
like people trying to startbands again, which wasn't
happening for the last 10 years,but I see that happening now,
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and I see, you know, I was with,there's a, there's a young
artist on this tour with uscalled Grayland, James Rue and
her boyfriend's a musician.
She's a great musician, andthey're trying to make real
music, and they're, they'retalking about, you know, she was
talking about her autoimmunedisease on stage the other night
and and was like, wow, thesekids are brave, man, I think so
that next generation is reallygonna gonna make some waves.
Chuck Shute (12:28):
Oh, that's good to hear. Yeah, I saw that name when
I was looking at your tourhistory, and I was like, Oh,
I'll have to ask you about that.
So she's really talented anddoing real music, not using
electronics.
Raine Maida (12:38):
Oh, man, she's the real deal. She comes from, like,
you know, her dad was kind of ahippie. Listen to a lot of
Zeppelin, but listen to currentmusic too. But she gets up there
and it's just the real deal.
She's got a rock band, andpeople are loving and I just,
and when I talk to her, andlike, her boyfriend's an artist
as well. He's on the road doingall the video stuff, when I talk
to them, I'm like, Okay, I gotfaith in this next generation.
Chuck Shute (13:01):
That's cool. So you said, you mentioned Zeppelin. I
was gonna, did you tour withpage and plant?
Raine Maida (13:07):
We did. Man, we were, we're on this crate. It
was like we were just startingdown here in the US, and we were
starting to, like, you know,bring fans out to our own little
shows, club shows. So we're at,we loaded into the Middle East
in Boston, which is, like, acool club. And I was like, you
know, Frank Black's on the wall,and Nirvana signed a poster, and
sound garden had signed, youknow. So it's like, this is what
we're supposed to be doing. Andthen about seven o'clock, right
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before his sound check, our tourmanager runs, and he goes,
you're not going to believethis. It was Robert Plant was
just riding around in a littleNew York, and heard star seed,
which was our single on theradio. And he was like, he just
called us and he said these guysgot to come home for us in
Indianapolis and join the tour.
I was like, okay, but we'redoing this show tonight, and
fans have already boughttickets. Like, I don't care. We
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are leaving and we're going todo this. And it was an epic you
know, it's like, Robert Plantcame up to me, talked about that
first album we made, Naveed, andwas telling me much he liked the
lyric. Lyrics and the sound, Iwas just like, what is
happening? And he was thesweetest guy in the world. And
it kind of set me up for thiscareer in music where it's like,
you know what? If that guy's nota dick, don't ever be a dick.
Chuck Shute (14:17):
I love that. That is so you kind of learn that now
you're passing that to peoplelike grayling.
Raine Maida (14:23):
I hope so. Like, I think a I think we got to always
support each other, but yeah,like, egos and that stuff there.
I get it. You have to have anego just to be a singer in a
band, but you got to keep it incheck, because we just got to
keep this wheel turning before,you know, like, it's the music
business is hard enough thesedays. So you have to like what
Robert did to me. I can't, Ican't really do the same thing
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to grayling because I don't havethat weight. But being there as
a sounding board, being there asyou know, anytime she wants
advice, I've 100% that.
Chuck Shute (14:53):
Yeah, I mean, so that is something that you like
to do, is kind of mentor or helpyoung bands as much as you can.
Because. Still in the business.
Like,
Raine Maida (15:01):
yeah, but I mean that. But that says something,
and so is Robert Plant, by theway. You know, it's like that
that shows you, that shows youwhere your priorities are. Like,
we're still and Robert stillmaking new music. You know,
we're not some nostalgia.
Obviously, Robert isn't. And forgrayling to see that you can
have this long career is it'sreally important to show that?
Chuck Shute (15:21):
Yeah, you, you toured with Van Halen too, but I
was reading that that didn't goas well, or something. Like,
there was, you almost got kickedoff the tour, but it was like a
thing where Eddie and Alexwanted you, but Sammy didn't, or
something. There was some,
Raine Maida (15:32):
yeah, I mean, it was tough. And I'd heard stories
like Alice in Chains to tourthem before. I heard that was
tough on those guys, so I knewit was going to be different. It
was just, it was the same thing,you know, watch like it was like
those fans, they wanted thesethey they paid tickets to Steve
Van Halen, not some band. They'dmaybe heard one song from play
for 40 minutes. So I had a lotof fans in the front row just
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giving me, like the fingers thewhole time. And I was cool with
it for a minute. I actuallydidn't mind it. I always look at
being on stage like a bit ofbattle. It's like a war. It's
like a war for hearts and mindsof the audience. But I was fine
with it. But Sammy came up to meone day, was like, Dude, this
isn't working. You've got to be,like, you know, an entertainer.
You have to be you have to tryto get the crowd excited and
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have fun up there. And I waslike, Dude, I'm not. I love what
you do. You're an amazingsinger. I grew up in Van Halen,
like, 1984 I almost got thetattoo like, but I'm not, you
like, I don't wear short, youknow, I'm just not that kind of,
I I see it a line between like,being an artist and entertainer.
And I said, fortunately, man, Imean, I'm more like, I'm more on
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that artist side. So I'm not,I'm not the guy that's going to
go try to rile up the crowd, andit's not a party for me. This is
my art and and he was just like,awesome. You guys are done, but
Alex and Eddie really supportedus. And, you know, I think, I
think Sam is just having a badday, but, yeah, Alex, Alex and
Eddie are, like, they're,they're musical heroes to me. I
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was so sad when Eddie passedaway, but those guys literally
saved us from the on the tour.
But also those guys practice somuch like Eddie would walk into
catering at noon with a guitaron. He would start sound check
too early, two hours early, andjust like that, you have to be
your craft. And he was, and samewith Alex and like that. That
taught us all a lot. Yeah,that's
Chuck Shute (17:22):
what I heard. The same thing. I had guitars from
ugly kid Joe that they hadopened for Van Halen. He said,
Yeah, you'd walk into thedressing room and Eddie would be
in there with his tighty whitiesand just playing the guitar
Raine Maida (17:35):
that dude never needed to practice. But he was
loved it. It was, it was a part.
It was like a, you know, a fifthlimb was an extension of what
who he was as a person. And thatis just like that. If you want
to be in his business, that is apiece of advice for a young
artist. Like, you have to bethat,
Chuck Shute (17:52):
yeah, you have to really love it, the music part
of it. You can love the businesspart too, but yeah, like,
eventually that you'll burnyourself out if you're just
trying to chase the views andthe listeners
Raine Maida (18:03):
and the funner percent, like Eddie, yeah, he
wasn't playing for everyone. Hewas playing for himself, like
you said, in his underwear, inhis dressing room, or at
catering, you know, everyoneelse eating. He's just playing
guitar. It's like you have tolove it that much. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (18:16):
just saw this clip of Rick Rubin, and he was saying
how he only makes music for heonly makes things for himself,
like, he's not making it for thegeneral public. And he's like,
if you're true to yourself andyou're making something that you
think is good, then you'll havegood results.
Raine Maida (18:32):
Dude, I'm, I'm 100% with that. There was a moment in
that film you were that my wifeand I made where she says, like,
is this song for the masses? AndI was like, whoa. It started a
huge fight. I was like, What doyou mean the masses? Like, we
are not making music for themasses. We're making music so
the both of us walk out of thishotel room on this little French
Island loving the music. I don'tcare who here, and you have to
(18:53):
think that way. Yeah, I'm, I'mcompletely lying with Rick,
because if you, if you do lovesomething that much, chances are
someone else will too,
Chuck Shute (19:02):
right? Yeah, I think it shows, like, that's I
could see in that film. Youcould see how passionate you
both were about why, why youthought the song should be this
way or that way, and like, andthat Creative Chemistry, I think
made the great music. Like, ifboth of you were just like,
Yeah, whatever, like, Yeah,whatever, it doesn't matter. It
wouldn't have sounded that good.
Raine Maida (19:22):
No, and my and my wife comes. My wife's, you know,
no, not many people knows, butshe's written like she's written
big songs for dremar and allthese people. So she knows how
to write like a pop song. Butthis was a different thing. It's
like, this is, this was supposedto be so personal, and we did
it, and we made stuff that istruly personal, but sometimes
you got to battle to get there,you know?
Chuck Shute (19:43):
Yeah, it kind of reminded me of a star is born.
Was it partly inspired by thatat all? I We did it. We did our
film. Was made before that. Ihaven't seen that movie. Oh,
yeah, but yeah. But I get the,you know, I get the comparisons.
I have to watch it one day. I'llsee it on a plane or something.
You. Yeah, oh yeah. Well, youheard the songs. I'm sure I
heard that one song, yeah, forsure, yeah, yeah, no. The whole
(20:05):
thing is, I mean, obviouslyit's, it's different because
it's scripted or ever but yeah,I mean, it's similar kind of
thing, or I just love music. SoI'm so jealous of people that
can create I, you know, I triedto play guitar, and I sucked. I
was like, damn it, I love
Raine Maida (20:17):
music. Everyone could play guitar. You just
gotta Yeah, I mean, I
Chuck Shute (20:21):
can do some of the back and do some Metallica riffs
and stuff. It's fun. But whenyou, when you watch people like
yourself, are just like, Okay,no, I'll leave this to the
professionals, like you guys areso amazing that and you just you
felt like you always had thattalent in you, or did you
something you kind of developedover the years?
Raine Maida (20:38):
I knew early on that I had to find a way to talk
to my thought, like, to get mylike, I'd always write thoughts
and like, you know, even atschool, like, on the back of my
binders for math, I'd be writingthese thoughts on that. And I
was like, shit, what am I gonnado with these? I didn't really
want to be a poet. I writingbooks. For some reason, I just
(20:59):
felt like those weren't the typeof thought. Like, I didn't want
these long form things. I lovedhaving these small ideas. And
so, you know, I was in early onin my life, it was like, you
know, Neil Young and rush andyou early, you two records and,
and I just felt like, Okay, whatthey're doing, like, there's,
there's a synergy here and withwhat they're saying and the way
(21:19):
it makes you feel and what I'mtrying to write. So I felt like,
you know what, better than howto play guitar and learn how to
sing, and this is going to bethe way?
Chuck Shute (21:26):
Yeah, no, that's awesome. Have you? So you had
the chance to meet Van Halen andpage and plant. Were there other
artists like that, like, Rushand stuff that you did? You get
a chance to meet those people?
Raine Maida (21:38):
And, yeah, I mean, even like, even even up to like
Bono, like we we've had thechance to sit and talk music,
talk life, with a lot of theselegendary artists. I mean, even
these guys with you know, bothEDS from Collective Soul and
live the tour right now, it'slike people that have lived a
life of music just have uniqueexpect experiences and and kind
(21:59):
of expectations that aredifferent in terms of it is
about connection like our livesare. Are all around you. Write
this song, kind of by yourselfor with your band, and then you
you want to take it out becauseyou want it to connect you to
other people. So it really isabout having conversations and
and as much as I love talking tothose people, you said it
(22:20):
before, I love talking to fansalmost even more, because those,
those are the people that arereally like getting value from
the music and and puttingthemselves in your place. And if
you, if you're, if you'reblessed enough to have those
experiences with fans, man,that's that's where the true art
exists.
Chuck Shute (22:38):
Yeah, so you're not like, annoyed when a fan comes
up to you and great,
Raine Maida (22:45):
we do those. We do these VIP meet and greets and I
and, you know, some bands just,they take the money and they
just, it's like, oh, here's yourpicture, and thank you, and
here's your gift bag out. Wemake it a the whole band,
everyone in OLP, we make it apriority. We give everyone,
like, time to talk. And almostlike, tell us we don't see it,
but they all kind of do, becausethey know they have this, this
(23:06):
vehicle to talk. It's like, whatis the what? Like, tell us, tell
us your story, why you'reconnected to this band. And man,
honest to God, Chuck. Like,sometimes we need, like, an hour
before we go on stage, becausesome of these stories are so
heavy, you just need todecompress and like, take it in,
have gratitude, but like, justbe like, holy shit. That just
blew my mind. And you know, youcan't wash it off you. But I
(23:28):
there's there's moments whereit's like, you guys are on in 15
and where we tell our tourmanagers, like, there's no way,
like we need a minute. This wasso heavy. What we just heard,
Chuck Shute (23:37):
wow, that's awesome. And then just the fact
that you're doing so muchcharity work too. That's like
taking it to the next level.
Like, you know, I mean, themusic alone is, I think,
changing the world for thebetter. But then the fact that
you're doing all, I mean, wonthese awards and things and work
with War Child and all theseorganizations. Did you talk to
Bono about that when you methim? Did you guys discuss that
at all? Like, humanitariancauses?
Raine Maida (24:01):
Yeah. I mean, the the thing with, with with those
guys is specifically, you know,you have to do stuff. You can't
just, it's not it can ever bepart of your brand. You're not
trying to, oh, I need to do thisand that and make my brand look
better for us. It's always beenspecifically me. It's always
been like, what am I connectedto? Like, War Child, because
they work with children in moreeffective regions, music and
(24:24):
play. It's about mental health.
Again, it's about getting thesekids have seen like, unspeakable
sadness. How do you help them bejust kids again, like an eight
year old kid, and have joy whenthey've seen potentially the
village blown up or lost familymembers, and it's always through
like play, which is, you know,just a soccer ball, or it's
through music which helps themescape. So the fact that war
child is so intrinsicallyattached to music that made
(24:47):
perfect sense. You know, my wifeand I, we have, you know,
everyone's family has someone init that has mental health
problems. So that's an easy oneas well. You know, when you,
when you when you live, thatyou. Firsthand, you can't help
but connect yourself to mentalhealth. So again, it's never
about, you know, thinking of itvery Machiavellian in terms of,
(25:07):
like, oh, we need to work with acharity for our brand. It's not
that at all. It's personal shit.
Chuck Shute (25:14):
No, I could tell, I mean, you're very genuine, and,
I mean, people could see that inthe film. And I think that's
awesome. I love the music. Ilove what you're doing with the
new song and the proceeds. Youguys are going to be out on
tour. You're out on tour now, Ithink with collective soul and
live and grayling, is it live orlive? I thought when they first
came out, they said, You guysare all mispronouncing it, it's
live.
Raine Maida (25:36):
Now it's definitely live. Yeah, definitely, yeah,
live. The band, yeah, when
Chuck Shute (25:39):
they first came on MTV. Though I'll never forget
that. Though, really, everyone'sbeen mispronouncing it. The band
is called Live. And then I waslike, Oh, really, everyone's
been
Raine Maida (25:47):
like, well, that's funny, because I remember that
whole record came out was calledlive through this. And I was
like, is it live through this?
Because you can always misskids. So funny,
Chuck Shute (25:56):
right? Yeah, awesome. Very cool. Well, I have
to check that out if you guyshit Phoenix or anywhere nearby
here I'll drive.
Raine Maida (26:03):
No, we're not playing Phoenix, but we are.
We're just routing like an OLPheadlining tour for the US,
probably like in February,March. So I'm sure we'll be in
your neck of the woods, forsure. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (26:13):
I've never seen you guys live now becoming started
doing a deep dive into yourcatalog. I mean, do you do any
of that solo stuff, or the moon
Raine Maida (26:20):
versus I don't, but my wife, my wife and, I guess, I
don't know if I mentioned mywife and have a book coming out
in a new album as well. So we'llbe doing that as well. You know,
we just try to be creative aspossible every day. So tons of
stuff coming, but I do, I reallyappreciate you watch that film
that's, that's amazing.
Chuck Shute (26:37):
Yeah, no, I'm like, I said, I just did a deep dive,
and I'm loving your wholecatalog, and the other stuff
that your moon versus sun, allthis stuff is great. Look
forward to the new album in thebook that sounds Yeah. We'll
Raine Maida (26:47):
hit you up for sure. Yeah. Thanks so much rain.
Thanks, Chuck.
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