May 18, 2025 • 45 mins
Ryan Roxie discussed his move from Stockholm to Cape Town, highlighting the cultural and environmental differences. He addressed media sensationalism about South Africa's safety, emphasizing personal experiences. Ryan praised Alice Cooper's non-political approach to rock and roll, citing a 2018 Guardian interview. He shared insights on the music industry, including the challenges of promoting his solo work and the importance of hooks in songs. Ryan also mentioned his podcast, "In the Trenches," and its AI-driven special episode. He reflected on his career, including collaborations with Slash and Cheap Trick, and his admiration for comedians and their truth-telling roles.
00:00 - Intro
00:20 - Move From Stockholm to Cape Town
03:23 - Alice Cooper, News & Comedians
05:00 - Metal Sludge, Metal Edge & Hooks
08:45 - Catchy Music & Standing Out
13:10 - Alice Cooper Interruption
14:01 - New Roxie Song & Video & Roxie's Voice
16:25 - Robin Zander & Liam Gallagher
18:30 - Learning From Alice & Work Ethic
21:45 - GnR, Slash, Cheap Trick, Oasis & More
24:12 - Bands Opening the Door to the Next Band
26:42 - Jackie From Canada and Favorite Song
28:30 - Meeting Famous People & Comedians
31:01 - Traveling & Touring & Seeing New Cities
32:30 - Alice Cooper Sightings
33:25 - In the Trenches Podcast, A.I. Video & Podcasts
36:55 - Having Guests on a Song & Algorithm
39:35 - Jordan Peterson & Eric Weinstein
40:39 - Collaborating & Connections
41:35 - Doing Podcasts
42:42 - Loving Music, New Single & Solo Shows
45:05 - Outro
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THEME SONG (00:04):
Down with the heavy stars, rock and rolling through
the cool guitars shops got thequestions, digging so sharp,
peeling back layers, hitting theheart.
Chuck Shute (00:20):
So where are you now? Are you? Because I thought
it said in the notes that youmoved to South Africa, which I
found fascinating. Thank you.
Ryan Roxie (00:29):
Well, it is fascinating. It's a it's a
complete polar opposite fromwhere I was living the previous
19 years. And people talk aboutpolar opposites, but I literally
went from the North Pole to theSouth Pole. And you know, going
from Stockholm to Cape Town is abig change, changing the
weather, changing the people,changing the language, but at
(00:51):
the end of the day, I'm stilllucky enough to be traveling
around a good part of the yearwith Alice Cooper. And so I get
to see the states, and I get tosee Europe regardless. But
Chuck Shute (01:06):
yeah, so I just because, I mean, you know how
the media, I guess I'm part ofthe media, but you know how the
media, they twist things, andthey try to drama, dramatize
things and things. So they'resaying, like, South Africa is so
dangerous, and also, youactually live there. So you can
say, Is it is it dangerous? Areyou scared for your life? Are
you scared for your well being,or is it totally safe? And this
(01:26):
is the media is just blowingthings out of proportion. I
Ryan Roxie (01:28):
think there's places in every town, in every city, in
every part of the world that youwould be afraid to be in at
certain times of the day ornight, there's just places that
you know that can be dangerous.
Can I be completely oblivious ifI said, Oh, is South Africa
(01:49):
dangerous? No, no, it's no. Youjust like Los Angeles, where I
lived a good part of my life,like New York City, where I
lived years as well, and evenStockholm, especially Stockholm
these days, there's just placesthat you avoid and or just know
are you're much more aware ofbeing safe in so South Africa,
(02:14):
for me, it's been nothing but anamazing experience. I do think
media plays up everything,because it is does seem like a
big talking point right now,whether it's Elon Musk having
something to do with it, whetherit's politics, you know, with my
whole world, I realized thatthat especially Alice's audience
(02:36):
and my audience subsequently,are built of everybody. You
know, there's some there's someleft wingers, there's some right
wingers. I think both of us are,or I think most of us are
somewhere in between and in thecenter, leaning one way or
leaning the other. But like, I'mdefinitely aware of the fact
(02:58):
that both my audience andAlice's audience comprise every
sort of political spectrum andopinion, so I try not to bring
that into into the conversation,because it just like you come to
a rock show to escape all thatstuff, and that's basically what
we're out here doing right now.
(03:20):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I
Chuck Shute (03:21):
thought that was so fascinating. Alice is in a 2018
interview with a guardian. Thatquote that he said about he
didn't like to mix politics androck and roll, and he said he
didn't look at Bono and stingand Bruce Springsteen as
political. He looked at them ashumanitarian. And then he said
something about how, like we youshouldn't look up to rock stars
for politics because we'redumber than than most people,
(03:42):
something like that. Like, Ijust thought, I was like, he
said, also, don't tell peoplewhat to vote for, because that's
not rock and roll. You know,rock and roll is about freedom.
And I was like, Oh, those are,like, great quotes,
Ryan Roxie (03:52):
right? Allows, is the king of the quotes, dude.
He's done enough interviewssince the set, you know, late
60s, all the way to he's doingone probably right now in his
hotel room, so he's a masterclass at interviews and sound
bites. My feeling is like, it'skind of like that thing where
they say, oh, comedians, oh, atthe end of the day, you're just
(04:14):
a comedian. And they don'tlisten to me, I'm just a
comedian. But trust me,comedians have really good
takes, and are a good finger ofthe pulse of what's really going
on. And for better, for worse, Ilook up to comedians because
they do tell it like it is. Oh,let me see, I want to make got
to make sure that I approve yourecording this, huh? Hopefully
(04:36):
it recorded all that so far.
Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (04:38):
hope so, because I was all gold. Yeah, no, I agree.
It's funny, because I've saidthis multiple times. I I feel
like I learned more about thenews and the world from
comedians, and I laugh more atThe Real News, like I watch the
news now, and I just like, it'sjust like a it's like a circus.
It's like comical. The storiesthat they headlines, that they
do, they're just funny to me.
Like, I mean. You look more likemetal sludge is hilarious there.
(05:00):
I think it's funny. But even theReal News, like CBS, ABC, like
it's it's comical, but comedianswill reveal things, and I'm
like, wow, I never knew that. Ithink,
Ryan Roxie (05:10):
I think metal sledge will give you a much more
genuine take of what's actuallyhappening in Tracy Gunn's life
than what Newsmax would,
Chuck Shute (05:21):
yeah, yeah, no, Stevie's great. I love him. I
wait
Unknown (05:27):
the secrets out. You know, who's behind metal sludge?
Chuck Shute (05:30):
Yeah, that's been out for years.
Ryan Roxie (05:33):
I know I'm not. I have, I knew that, but I'm just
talking for my audience that'sjust tuning in now. Oh, it
hasn't signed onto a computersince the last Rock City News
paper edition came out.
Chuck Shute (05:47):
Yeah, no. I mean, that's what I loved, metal edge.
When metal edge, kind of, like,they kind of got into a more,
like, the harder, like the cornand the slip knot and stuff, I
kind of didn't buy it as much.
And then I started going online,and I found metal sludge. And I
was like, Oh, here's where I canfind out about all like, you
know, the bands that I'minterested I think I don't know
if I read about dad's porno mag.
I feel like I might have readabout that in metal edge,
(06:08):
though. Yeah,
Ryan Roxie (06:10):
Jerry was always really supportive of us, and she
was amazing. Metal edge back inthe days, rip magazine was
another one. Catherine Termanover at Rip was great. Circus
magazine was actually kind to myband, even before that. So I'm
talking about old school stuffand metal sludge was, has always
(06:30):
been our sort of underground.
They're the dark web of rockgossip. I guess it used to be
the dark web.
Chuck Shute (06:38):
Yeah, I just, I just like the the humor some
people get really mad about, andsometimes it'll be an interview
that
Unknown (06:45):
I'm doing, what's that we were just talking about that
before?
Chuck Shute (06:50):
Somebody, you know, maybe rightfully so, but I'm
saying, like, sometimes it'ssomething where I'm in an
interview and I don't, I thinkthe interview goes fine, and
then Blabbermouth will take asnippet of the interview and
they'll put a headline, and thensomebody will get mad, and it's
like, but I think a lot of thatstuff is fun. Like, I think
rock, I think the rivalries, Ithink the shit talk, I think all
that stuff is fun to me. Like, Ilove like, The Motley Crue Guns
(07:13):
and Roses, you know, they hadtheir beef, and then Motley Crue
had a beef with Metallica. And,like, I just thought all that
shit was so funny to me,
Ryan Roxie (07:21):
in a way, I think because of the times that we
had, those times, and I waslucky enough to live in those
times, it you have to remember,it was before the cell phone. It
was before everybody recordedeverything. Yeah, there was
always that sort of sludge.
That's a good way of putting it.
(07:42):
There was that sludginess ofwhere was the truth. Now, with
everybody recording it andhaving a video podcast of
someone saying this or that,it's all referenced, and
everybody has receipts back inmetal sludge, there was kind of
a murkiness going on where youcould, kind of, like, you know,
(08:04):
never let the truth get in theway of a good story, right?
Chuck Shute (08:07):
Well, it's funny, because people will get mad even
when I make a clip myself. AndI'll, you know, like, a lot of
times on Instagram, I can onlyget, you know, 60 seconds, so
I'll show a clip, and thenpeople will, they'll, they'll
jump to some conclusion. Andlike, you clearly didn't watch
the full episode, because you'regetting an opinion and you
haven't watched the full thing,and so I don't know it's it's
hard to
Ryan Roxie (08:27):
call in the business the hook. Right the hook? It's
funny now that a lot of rock androllers are looking for hooks in
their posts and then theirstories in their YouTube
content, than just concentratingon what's really important,
which is the hooks of the songs.
And because the hooks of thesongs is basically the only
(08:48):
reason why I'm still have a jobwith Alice Cooper, is because
his original great band, theAlice Cooper band, wrote the
hookiest songs, and throughoutthe years, all the records that
Alice has made, and, you know,hopefully a few of the records
that I've been a part of, theyhave, they're chock full of
(09:09):
hooks. And that's the reason whypeople keep coming to the shows,
because they want to, they wantto experience those songs, and
what they, you know, meant tothem the first time they saw
them as well.
Chuck Shute (09:21):
Yeah, I was just listening to some of your soul
stuff today, and I was, I wastelling adika, I was messing I
was like, you know, I actuallyreally like Ryan's soul stuff.
It is good. Like, it's hooky,this new song better than you.
It's catchy. And I like, I likecatchy stuff. So I don't know. I
mean, if that's what peoplelike, I feel like they should
enjoy that as well. But how doyou stand out? Because I feel
like, I think it only had, whenI last checked on Spotify, it
(09:44):
only had, like, 2000 downloads.
I was like, what like, thesongs? Like, way better than
that. Like, how do you I mean,
Ryan Roxie (09:51):
more eyeballs on it.
And if there's someone out therewatching this right now that can
crack, help me crack thatSpotify app. Algorithm. Because
how do you do it? You know?
Yeah, you ask for people tolisten to it, obviously. But
then if they listen to it forjust like 10 seconds, which is
like the normal attention spanof the music listener now, then
(10:14):
the algorithm thinks, oh, well,it's people don't like it's not
as popular. So, so listen to thesong. Give it a whole, you know,
whole songs less than threeminutes. You can take three
minutes out of your life tolisten to better than you the
whole time through. If you askpeople to put it on their
playlist. I know that sort thatsort of thing happens, but yeah,
I mean, what I'm doing with thissong, and you know, with the
(10:37):
next songs that I'm going to bereleasing are all, like
grassroots indie based. This islike a people's sort of band,
the Ryan Roxy stuff that I'mputting out. I'm relying on my
Instagram, like sort offollowing crowd, the inner
cores. I call it the RGA, theRoxy guitar army that are on my
(11:00):
public channel, and even more ofa condensed nucleus version the
all accessors, which you know,is under 200 people. But you
know what? Those 200 people canreally, really make a
difference, and that's whatwe're trying to do here. Look at
one point it catches fire. I'mhappy, but if it never does, I'm
(11:23):
still happy with the way thesong turned out. Because I
because people seem to be reallydigging the video. They seem to
be digging the catchiness ofthe, you know, right out of the
gate, the sort of sing songabout it. So, you know, I'll
keep releasing them as long aspeople, you know, it keeps
growing. But
Chuck Shute (11:41):
do you think you have to have some sort of, like,
some sort of crazy, like thingto get attention for people
like, I mean, you said AliceCooper. People love Alice Cooper
because of the hooky songs,which I agree, there's great
songs, but wasn't part of hisshtick is that he chops his head
off in the show and shit. Therewas the shock rock like that was
a big reason about why he becameso popular. Yeah.
Ryan Roxie (12:03):
I mean, there are definitely things that you that
you can do, that that cansupport the music, but at the
end of the day, the good songhas to have that longevity.
There's plenty of other bandsthat have done the same thing
that you're talking about, andin fact, to a much more, you
(12:24):
know, intense level, but youcan't name more than one or two
of their songs, so you have to,like, go back to where you can
name a whole catalog of music,and that's where it comes back
to the songwriting. But, yeah, Iget it. I mean, there's always
it'll help if there's some sortof controversy going on. I mean,
the thing that we did that was alittle bit different, and we
(12:47):
just put this out in in sort ofcahoots with the song, was that
we came up with an AI version ofmyself. And that AI version, you
know, always say, what wouldyour younger self ask your older
self questions? We were able toactually do that with this AI
interview,
Chuck Shute (13:07):
and that was crazy.
What company did you use to dothat? Because my cousin in law
was trying to get me to do that.
And I was like, what?
Ryan Roxie (13:17):
Yeah, that was me.
And hold on one second, becauseI'm gonna have to just tell tell
him real quick that I'll messagehim back. You know
Chuck Shute (13:26):
is that Alice, is that my buddy Alice, told him to
do my
Unknown (13:29):
podcast, and I told him I be I was doing an interview,
and Chuck
Chuck Shute (13:33):
Shute the best podcast ever, that we gotta get
the word out.
Unknown (13:37):
Let me get let me just tell her I'm doing an interview
right now, buddy dot, dot. Dot.
Call you back after
Chuck Shute (13:48):
he could join in if you
Ryan Roxie (13:52):
so. Basically, I'm just a stepping stone to get to
Alice Cooper. I get it. Oh,
Chuck Shute (13:56):
what? No, I love you. I love dad's porno mag. I
love all your solo stuff. I lovethis new song. I'm not being
like a fucking like, kiss asslike, I actually like it. The
video is cool. And you got all,like, the the Beavis and butt
head and Brady Bunch, and allthese Easter eggs or whatever
that's
Ryan Roxie (14:12):
that's Irwin Erwin Longway that did the video. He
did he's done an incredible job.
He does a lot of the artwork. Hedoes artwork for my podcast, and
he also does some artwork for mya lot of my guitar picks and
stuff and and so he's really,really talented. And when we
went to do shoot the video, ornot shoot the video, I guess I
did shoot the video, becauseit's just me on a green screen,
(14:34):
but he put all that stuff inback. I think he ended up
saying, like, two or 300backgrounds that he used for it.
So go check out the video again.
Don't check out 10 seconds ofit. Check out the whole two
minutes and 49 seconds of it.
That would help out. Yeah, it's
Chuck Shute (14:50):
catchy. It gets in your head. Have you ever, has
anyone ever told you that yourvoice sounds like Ed Roland from
collective soul?
Ryan Roxie (14:58):
No, but I love Ed rolling from collective. So I
wish it would sound more likeit, but what I got is similar.
No, my old bass player in myband, electric angels. His name
is Jonathan, Daniel, and nowhe's, he's like,
Chuck Shute (15:14):
Yeah, we were talking about that, like, that's
like, a superstar band. He's
Ryan Roxie (15:18):
a, he's a mogul. Now manager,
Chuck Shute (15:20):
yeah, he manages my friends, band, train. All
Ryan Roxie (15:24):
right, cool. All right. Well, not not just train,
but Green Day and Fall Out Boyand lordy and he's, he's, he's
got a good, really good roster.
Well, he always says, he goes,Man, you sound more and more
like Donnie V every single
THEME SONG (15:42):
Oh, yeah,
Ryan Roxie (15:44):
I love those. Early enough is enough records. I love
chips. Voice to chip and Donnieactually sound quite similar to
each other. But, yeah, Donnie,Donnie V's voice is, is a great
voice, but you know the ultimatefor me, Robin Xander. He's my
he's my ultimate favorite, likevoice and the voice, the two
voices I think I tried to copyin, you know, tried to emulate
(16:09):
over the years, Robin Zander andLiam Gallagher, because I just
like Oasis voice. You know thatI love that band as well. But,
you know, I don't know how closeI got to either of them, but
hopefully there's a little bitof originality in that voice.
But you know, have you
Chuck Shute (16:28):
ever met either of them? Um, I
Ryan Roxie (16:32):
Robin Xander sang on my on my solo album called
Imagine your reality, that I putout just a couple years ago, and
he, we actually did a cover ofCalifornia man, and that was
track three on heaven tonight.
And I made it track three of,imagine your reality. So he
ended up doing a do sort of aduet with me. And Robin has
(16:53):
been, you know, and everybody incheap trick, basically all the
guys in cheap trick, you know,Rick Nielsen, huge, huge hero of
mine, Tom Peterson, you know,wanted to be that guy growing up
as well. Buddy Carlos is great,but now they have DAX Nielsen
too, who's just as great. And Ilove DAX, but that band get
(17:14):
along with very well. And on theflip side of the coin, I don't
know if I ever do want to meetLiam Gallagher, because, you
know, it might be one of thosesituations where you go be
careful. You know, if you meetthe people you really look up
to, they might. I do think he'sfunny as fuck, though. I think
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he's like, he comes up with,like, great, like, honest
answers and like, he's he'searned the degree and not giving
a fuck, and he can do it in, inall his interviews and stuff
like that. And I just hope he'sable to prove it and walk the
walk when they reform and dotheir, uh, their stadium too. I
(17:59):
just hope it's not one of thosethings where it's like, you
know, one and done. I reallywant to see them like, succeed.
Chuck Shute (18:07):
Yeah. I don't know if they're coming to feed. I
should go catch that show,because it might be the only
chance you get right. It mightbe like you said, I'm done,
Ryan Roxie (18:14):
yeah? I mean, I've read something where they're not
getting paid for the shows untilafter the show is done, like,
like, they'll get like, just tomake sure that they don't break
up before going on stage. Youknow, that's fine, which is
completely the opposite of whatlike the Alice Cooper
organization is, because I don'tthink we've ever gone on late,
(18:38):
not for personal reasons.
There's something's wrong withthe stage, maybe, but no one's
ever, you know, said nah, nah,give me five minutes, because
I'm just not feeling it. No,Alice is like, if you're five
minutes early, you're fiveminutes late, we're always on
time, and he does not cancelshows. I mean, the guys out
there touring now with with youknow, he had a bout of shingles,
man. I mean painful, painfulthing, and he's out there just
(19:02):
giving it his all. You know,it's not any secret. He said it
in interviews and stuff, and hesaid it, but, but, you know, he
really, really is a consummateprofessional. And I, luckily
enough, I've been able to learna lot from him.
Chuck Shute (19:18):
Yeah, I think you talked about that practice,
persistence and patience. Yeah.
I mean, I feel like I do allthose things, and I I still am
too forgettable. So I just, Iwant to, like, how does Alice?
You think it was the shock rockthat that catapulted him to the
top?
Ryan Roxie (19:34):
I think with Alice, it was at the end of the day. I
really do think it was thesongs, because those songs still
are iconic, long lasting. Youstill get the same energy out of
out of them when you listen tothem on on classic rock radio. I
think it was him in the wholeband. Just nose to the What's
(19:56):
that nose to the grind, or grindto the nose, or whatever it is.
You just. Yeah, no, justgrindstone. No. You just don't
know any other lifestyle. Hedoesn't know a different
lifestyle, other than being ontour and then a small break
recording and then getting backout on the road. Because even in
(20:17):
today, I mean, he's 77 yearsold, and he's still when he's
not on the road, he's in thestudio, or he's doing a, you
know, doing some sort of newshow and new podcast, or
something like that. So again,really inspiring for us, not
just to be on stage with him,because, you know, we're
competing with the getting ourenergy levels up to someone
(20:40):
that's seven in their 70s thatcan outmatch any singer and or
at least go toe to toe with anysinger in their 20s and 30s.
It's pretty cool to be on stageand have to get up to that level
of energy, and then you see thethings he does offstage and the
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work ethic that he has, itinspires us, and it inspires
well, you can see it inspireseverybody in the band, because
Chuck's got his own band with alot of albums out with beast of
Blanco. Nita has got a greatcareer going with her own solo
career. Tommy's got CrossboneScully, which he's really been
putting a lot of work and donegreat stuff with. Glenn's been
playing drums with I think he'sgot a track on the new Billy
(21:22):
Idol album. I've got my newsingle out and recording a bunch
of new songs that are going tobe released, plus doing my
podcast and enjoying justtalking like the way we're doing
right now to a bunch of otherartists as well. So yeah, I
think the routine of keeping itgoing is what really has given
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Alice that legacy status.
Chuck Shute (21:46):
Yeah, so, I mean, you said 77 I mean, he can't go
on forever. At some point he'sgoing to have to stop. What is
your plan? Have you looked thatfar into the future? Would you
just then continue to focus onyour solo stuff? Or would you
join another band, like, wouldyou join Guns and Roses if they
had an opening.
Ryan Roxie (22:01):
I think that ship has sailed, to be honest with
you, friend, I did that yearsago. It was, it was, you know,
when they were putting togethera higher Guns and Roses and, you
know, I had always said when Iplayed with slash, I now, I
think I've not been in a band,legitimately been in a band with
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two of the members, slash andGilby, in separate bands, and
done some touring with StevenAdler as well. So I feel like
I've, you know, I've definitelycontributed to that legacy, or
I've been a part of that legacy,for, you know, with just my
experience of knowing the guys,I thought that the album that I
(22:44):
made with slash the ain't life,grand album that had rod Jackson
singing on it, who killed it?
You know, every musician on thatalbum killed it. Johnny Grae was
amazing on bass and Teddy zigzagon the keyboards. And, of
course, you had, you had Mattlog, who now drums in ACDC as
the drummer in that band. It'san album really worth checking
(23:07):
out. So that was cool. As far asjoining a band post Alice, you'd
have to just say, Okay, whatband is it? Do we all align? You
know, would I like, you know,jump in on a cheap trick show
here? You know, in a second, ina second, of course, but they've
(23:29):
got their kids all in the bandsnow, you know, they, I know that
Robin's a son who's reallytalented as well, is playing in
the band. You know, if Oasisneeded a second guitar player,
third guitar player, fuck yeah,come on. How are we going to do
it? Because you want to playwith the bands that you grew up
(23:50):
idolizing. But at the same time,there's, there's more
opportunities to put our ownstuff together, and who knows
what other musicians are out.
There's a lot of talented peoplethat I've been able to meet
through Alice Cooper thatpossible connections and musical
(24:10):
projects could be formed. Forsure. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (24:12):
do you ever think you ever wonder, what if you
didn't get the Alice Cooper gig,like, where would you be? I
mean, because you did, like yousaid, you're working with slash
and, I mean, you have all theseother things that you're doing.
Every every
Ryan Roxie (24:23):
band I've always been in has opened the door to
the next band. And I do tellpeople that that are in bands,
young bands that are currentlyplaying, I say, look, remain
friends with the guys and girlsthat you're in the band with,
because that'll eventually leadyou to your next gig. And that's
exactly what happened with withAlice. I got the call from Alice
(24:48):
because I was playing with Gilbyand Gilby Clark, and he
basically Alice wanted to maybeaudition. In myself and Gilby.
Gilby couldn't do it because ofhis own solo stuff going on at
the time, and but the door wasopen for me. And Gilby said, Go
(25:08):
get that gig. And from there,the slash door opened, and then
even producing my own firstdad's porno mag. You mentioned
dad's porno mag, the producer ofthat record, one of the
producers, Mark Shulman, who's agreat drummer in his own right,
he he turned me on to the talBachman record, which got me
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into that avenue of of music.
And that, ironically, is thebiggest track I think I've
played on in my career thatnobody knows I'm playing on,
unless you're in my innercircle. But she's so high, yeah,
he's so high. That's all myguitar. And you know, the
experience of being able to makean album with Bob Rock was was
incredible. And then, you know,just the producers of the songs
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that I've been able to work withover the years is pretty
freaking cool. I mean, the firstproducer I worked with was Tony
Visconti, who did all the T Rexstuff, and that was electric
angels. And then we moved onwith Bob Rock, and then guys
like, who else? Jim Mitchell,who engineered Guns and Roses,
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Jack Douglas, who did my thefirst two Cheap Trick records.
We worked on the slash albumtogether Bob Ezrin, we've worked
with on the newest Alice Cooperrecord as well. So been able to
work with a lot of talentedpeople, and not just musicians,
but producers as well.
Chuck Shute (26:37):
Yeah, I know you got to get out of here. Can we
give a shout out to one of yourbiggest fans, Jackie. Do you
remember? You know her? Jackiefrom Canada. Jackie Cole I don't
know where she's from. I thinkshe's from Canada. Is she okay?
She always posts about you.
She's like your biggest fan. Shehas questions. She wanted to
know what your favorite song wasthat you ever wrote,
Ryan Roxie (26:57):
the favorite song that I ever wrote. Man, we're
just as songwriters. We'repretty protective that we all
think. We all think a lot of oursongs are our hits, and we have
this one, this one's all goingto the top. But I would say one
of my favorites that I'vewritten is this newest one,
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because it's out now and it'sgetting a lot of attention
amongst my group of people,like, Oh, I didn't expect this,
this song with what I knew youfrom with Alice, you know, I
expected, I expected a certainsong, if you, if you're the
guitarist in Alice Cooper, but Ididn't expect this indie rock
vibe to it. So I like surprisingpeople like that. As far as
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other songs that I think couldbe one of those lighter in the
air songs, there's a song calledSecond Chances off of the Roxy
77 peace love and Armageddonalbum that I'm really happy with
it's a ballad, and it's producedwell, and I don't know it's a
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tough question, Jackie, to behonest with you, because, let's
be honest, we're all prettyprotective, and we don't like to
think we write shit and put itout there. We like to think
everything we write is prettydamn good, and that's why we put
it out there. But, you know, I'msure there's some clunkers in
there, but I'm pretty happy witheverything.
Chuck Shute (28:26):
Yeah. Oh, she had another question too. I thought
was interesting. Who is someonefamous that you that you want to
meet? I know you, you said youmaybe don't want to meet Liam
Gallagher, but is there someone?
I mean, you probably could meetalmost anyone famous you want
through Alice. That's a goodconnection.
Ryan Roxie (28:41):
Yeah. I mean, I've been talking about Bucket List
of meeting so many of yourheroes and not being
disappointed. And, like I said,Fuck it, I would say Liam
Gallagher again. I don't want tomeet him, but I do want to meet
him, because I think we couldhave, you know, we could have a
beer and we could talk, we coulddefinitely talk Beatles, you
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know, it just like I said, it'dbe one of those things that if
he was on a bender or wasn'tfeeling the vibe, or I was too
Yank for him, then, you know,then I'd be out. But I don't
know, I like, I think comediansare kind of like the if I'm
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going to fanboy out, I'm goingto fan boy out with with more
like comedians and stuff likethat. Like I lucky enough to
have one of my favoritecomedians of all time, Doug
Stanhope, on my podcast. Andeven though we never met in
person, we had like, a three anda half hour podcast where I felt
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like, Damn, that was cool tomeet him. So there's, you know,
Daniel Tosh, another comedianthat I would love to meet. You
know, he might hate me, maybenot. But you know, and Bill
Burr, he's one of those guysthat like he he comes. From my
wheelhouse of rock, he reallydoes. But would he like me? I
(30:06):
don't know but, but I know he'sa drummer and so, yeah, I guess
Steven
Chuck Shute (30:11):
Adler. So would I want to he what? I think I saw
that bill burr follows StephenAdler. I just thought that was
interesting.
Ryan Roxie (30:19):
Yeah, jams. He jams drums with with a lot of people,
yeah. So I think he's, you know,like I said, it's maybe not so
much musicians that are on mybucket list to meet. It's more
like comedians, because, like,again, they are the truth,
they're the truth Sayers intoday's world, you know, you can
hide behind some comedian. Butagain, going back to your point
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about musicians, I don't thinkwe're all stupid and drunk and
idiots. There's definitely ashare of them out there that
are, but, you know, they'rehaving a good time. More power
to them. But think about it, weare the ones that get to go on
tour and see the world for whatit really is. Choose to step
(31:02):
outside the tour bus bubble thatwe can put ourselves in.
Sometimes we can see everysingle city to what it truly is,
and I guarantee you, it's a lotbetter than what you know the
media says, yeah. Do you
Chuck Shute (31:18):
do that when you go on tour? Do you travel? Would
you go just like walk into alocal bar and just talk to
people? Because I love doingthat. But I mean, I'm not, I'm
not like in an Alice Cooperband. So, you know, it's
different.
Ryan Roxie (31:29):
I like the fantasy of saying that I do that, and I
do it occasionally, but thenagain, it's very easy and in
sewer to stay in that tour buslevel, but that like, oh, like,
I'm, oh, I'm gonna go out andsee the city. Well, what does
that mean? Well, that means I'mgonna go to with Alice to play
some golf in the morning at thelocal, amazing country club, and
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then come back to the hotel anduse the hotel gym, then go to
the, you know, go to the venueand have, like, nice catering,
and then play in front of peoplethat really are digging the
music. So yeah, it's one thingto actually say, Yeah, I'm gonna
really see what this city'sabout. And then the other thing
is to like, well, this is prettynice, too, living this
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lifestyle. But I will be honestwith you, I have walked around,
and I do it more in Europe thanI do it in the States. And I'm
sorry to say, but I do walkaround with my headphones on and
check out the city and just seea lot of stuff. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (32:29):
I think it's crazy, because I'm in Phoenix, and,
like a lot of people, see AliceCooper, just how I saw him at
the mall one time, and mygirlfriend didn't believe me. I
was like, That's Alice. And shegoes, No, it's not. And I said,
Alice, and he turned around, andI just then I froze, and I was
like, Rock on, like, he's justshopping with his kids, just at
the mall, just out and
Ryan Roxie (32:45):
about. You don't want to meet Alice Cooper
backstage, because, you know,he'll either be throwing knives
or he'll be like, you know,getting into character watching
kung fu movies. You want to meetAl is that a hot topic?
Chuck Shute (33:00):
Yeah, and you could, he's out, and my, my
girlfriend's dad saw him atlike, a storage locker, and he
was making conversation like,he's very, just like a man of
the people. It's very cool, but,but he's also
Ryan Roxie (33:10):
a man. He's easily he's like a man of 1000
different disguises too. So hehas some good disguises. It's
hard to disguise being NilesCooper, but when he wants to, he
can be Lon Chaney, if you will.
Chuck Shute (33:23):
Yeah, no, I definitely recognize him,
though, but that's very cool.
Well, oh yeah. So you have thenew single out. You mentioned
your podcast, but I don't, youhaven't. Seems like you haven't
done an episode in a while. Isthat still active?
Ryan Roxie (33:33):
Or the actual AI video is our latest? Yeah, I
watched that. It's our latestspecial episode of in the
trenches podcast we just had on.
I mean, since I moved down toSouth Africa, it took a little
while to set the studio up andget everything running. But Vic,
our producer and Vic Chalfont,gets a big shout out for putting
(33:54):
together that whole AI videowith the avatar and everything.
Chuck Shute (34:00):
So cost money.
Like, is that a company youhired? Or how does that work?
No, it's Vic shop
Ryan Roxie (34:04):
on our producer, and we, we actually, I did the
research of finding out, like,who else has interviewed them,
AI self, and there was this guyfrom Norway that did it the
best. And I wish I had his nameright now so I can give him a
shout out. Maybe we can get itin the credits or something,
but, but he was instrumental in,like, in helping Vic with the
(34:30):
right companies, the right a.aiwebsites to use. I went to 11
labs. I believe it was they dothe best voice impersonations.
Like, honestly, AI came up withall the questions, and it really
sounds like me asking thequestions to myself. And yeah,
(34:51):
it
Chuck Shute (34:51):
was crazy. And then you add, like, different
versions of yourself, differentera different
Ryan Roxie (34:56):
different eras of myself. So I you know Vic
Chalfont, same producer thatdoes. The in the trenches
podcast, you know, since I'vebeen to South Africa, I'd say
the podcast itself slowed down,only because we're getting the
studio together, but we'reramping it back up again. It
always kind of goes with like,where, where am I going to be on
tour? You know, if the tourschedule is able to fit in.
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That's why we were able to do somany episodes during the dark
times. You know, I don't knowwhen you started your your
podcast, but did you startedduring COVID or?
Chuck Shute (35:29):
No, I started it before, and then everybody
fucking copied me and jumped onthe bandwagon, and now I'm at
the bottom of the pile again.
Yeah. Well, guess what? COVID
Ryan Roxie (35:39):
podcasts are, like herpes. Everybody has them so.
But the thing is, you know, wewere able to get a good schedule
going. We had a good run. Wewere doing two or three a week,
and we ended up getting overthat 100. And, you know, 140
100. I think we're at almost 150episodes now, and that's it.
(36:02):
That's, that's how you know, youcan last for a while when you've
done it that many episodes, andI'm sure you've done a lot of
them as well, but it's all aboutthe consistency. And, yeah,
Chuck Shute (36:12):
almost 500 here. So
Ryan Roxie (36:15):
that's great. That's great. But, you know, look,
then, then you go to Joe Rogan,and he's got, like, what, 10,000
Chuck Shute (36:23):
Well, the thing I just saw something yesterday
was, like the kids fromsopranos, like the actors, they
have a podcast to get, like,literally everybody and anybody
who's a remote level of fame. Ifthey start a podcast day one,
they have more followers thanme. So, you know, I ask these
questions about, How do I standout? I'm just trying to learn as
a as somebody who wants to be,
Ryan Roxie (36:44):
if I find any information on how to break that
algorithm, and you find how manyany information about to get
into the Spotify loophole ofgetting into the most requested
heat seeker, I think
Chuck Shute (36:56):
one you, when we said controversy, is that is one
thing, but I would say another.
We you mentioned the guests whenyou had, I think having guests,
who's the guy I had, him on myshow, Billy Billy Morrison. I
think he's the, yeah, he's goodat that guitar player with Billy
Idol. He had, like, Ozzy andBilly Idol, and all these guests
on his album, and his songs arejust taken off. He's, like, the
number one song. And, I mean, Ithink that's really smart. Some
(37:19):
people say, No, this is aboutthis is about me and my music,
and they're trying to stay trueand all that. I understand that.
But like, if you want to breakinto the algorithm, whatever,
the more guests, the names youhave, like, that's, I don't know
it works,
Ryan Roxie (37:33):
but take but involve the guests, not just because
they're going to get you clicks.
No,
Chuck Shute (37:39):
no, of course, not song, he said, Billy Morrison.
He goes this song, it's, it'sfor Ozzy, because I'm not bigger
than the song. He the way youshould watch him, interview with
him. It was a great interview.
That guy's really cool. I likehim. He's
Ryan Roxie (37:53):
and he knows how to network. We were actually
supposed to connect. The lasttime I was in LA, they had a
show together that we're goingto do the first cars album in
its entirety. And I'm a big fanof the band. The cars amazing
album came out in 77 produced byRoy Thomas Baker, just like,
(38:13):
really cool. Every song is, youknow, great. Elliot Easton, the
guitar player from that band,one of the best solo guitar
parts guys that's out there. Healways plays the right part for
the song, that lifts it andsolos tell a story within the
song. Fucking great. So we weresupposed to do, I was gonna do,
(38:38):
was it Bye, Bye, love, and don'tjust stop it. Was a couple songs
I was going to go play with him,and now and then, then all those
la fires happen, and they'relike, Nah, we're going to delay
it so, you know, didn't happen.
But you know, Tommy's Tommy'stight with him. And, like I
said, great networker. So good,good for him. Maybe, maybe I can
(38:59):
ride the coattails of the BillyMorrison singles and get my
better than you out there tomore eyeballs. Well,
Chuck Shute (39:08):
it has my validation. It has my
endorsement for whatever that'sworth. Like I enjoyed it. I
enjoy your soul music, shootendorsement. I like that. It's
not worth anything. But I mean,you know something, maybe, yeah,
Ryan Roxie (39:24):
down. You keep doing your episodes, you keep
representing metal sludge andcarrying the torch. It's
perfect, yeah.
Chuck Shute (39:31):
And I love the comedians too. I love your
podcast. And you know, JordanPeterson, like, that's a bucket
list guest for me. That wasamazing. That's that
Ryan Roxie (39:38):
was cool. That was turned out that Jordan is a fan
of Alice. He was just veryintrigued by Alice. So that's
how we were able to get him ontothe show. I said, Because he
because, because I, you know,like, again, having an
intellectual like that onto thepodcast, it's not as what are
you going to talk about? Well,our angle was he. Really loved.
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Welcome to my nightmare, thealbum as a concept. So I'm like,
Well, shit, I've played prettymuch every song off that album,
you know, 1000s of times. So whynot, you know? And then we we
talked about and then we got totalking about a bunch of other
stuff. So yeah, him and and EricWeinstein is another
intellectual that we had on thepodcast that was very, very cool
(40:26):
to interview. I don't know ifyou know Eric,
Chuck Shute (40:28):
but Oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, I love all I would loveour
Ryan Roxie (40:31):
guy, guitarist himself, and just, yeah, very,
very inspiring to have theseguys. But maybe that's my sort
of angle, and your angle is thatwe are collaborating, maybe not
on songs, but I'm collaboratingwith people just by knowing
them. You know, I just had aconversation with this morning,
(40:51):
with Michael de bar from littleStevens underground ground
garage. And I love his show. Ilove to listen to it and Alice
and I listen to it pretty muchevery morning when we're on our
way to golf. And he played, heplayed like this, the Segway, he
played the Hollies and the andthe replacements back to back.
(41:13):
And I was like, that's so cool.
So I actually messaged him. Isaid, Man, Alice and I are
freaking great songs. And heliterally messaged me right back
within two minutes and said, Oh,I'm so glad tell Alice, you
know, thank you for carrying thetorch, and thank you for, you
know, continuing to make music.
And I'm like, Yeah, well, thankyou for playing it,
Chuck Shute (41:33):
yeah, exactly, I mean, just Yeah, exactly,
carrying the torch and keepingit alive and talking about it,
and, you know, endorsing it andsharing as much as I can with my
small little followers, like Itry to do my part.
Ryan Roxie (41:44):
Well, you know what?
Let's instead of calling itsmall, by the time people watch
this, what have you? What if itgot on that thing where the
chuck shoot podcast just became,you just leapfrogged over
everyone that started theirpodcast in the dark times,
because you were there before.
You're a pioneer,
Chuck Shute (42:01):
yeah, they kind of leapfrogged me some section. A
lot of people quit after haveyou, I don't know if you noticed
that, like about 2023, peopleare like, I'm done with this
podcasting bullshit. No, if
Ryan Roxie (42:11):
you get past, like I said, if you get past 100
episodes, you can say that youhaven't until you get to that
level, because it's, it's noteasy, man, most, I think most
harder. Most people do aboutmaybe 30 episodes, and then it's
kind of like getting gets kindof weak, weak, weak, weak. I
mean, I'm glad, I'm glad we gotover the Centurion mark, and
(42:33):
then then our production kind ofslowed down a little bit, but
you know what, we can ramp itback up. I enjoy talking to
people. I enjoy doing stuff likethis as well. And, you know,
hopefully I haven't ruffled toomany feathers today. So
Chuck Shute (42:46):
well, yeah, me, me too. I don't want to ruffle any
feathers. Give my love to Aliceand the band. I love everybody.
I don't hate anybody. I don'twant to ruffle feathers. I just,
I love rock, and I think it'sfun, and I love music. I love
your new song. I love the video.
It's all great. Well, let's doany solo shows, like, I'd come
see you if you come to Phoenix?
Ryan Roxie (43:04):
Yeah. I mean, living in South Africa, it's not easy
just to skip on over to Phoenix,but it
Chuck Shute (43:10):
happened to be if, like, there was a, you know, you
know, Alice lives here, so youcould visit him and then do a
show, yeah?
Ryan Roxie (43:16):
In between, yeah, absolutely. And I have no
problem. I have putting I've putbands together, a European
lineup, a UK lineup. I've evenhad a grease lineup and an
American lineup for the solostuff before. So we've done
tours in the past. It's justthat, you know, fingers crossed
(43:37):
and knock on wood and all thatkind of stuff. Alice's tour
schedule has been jam packedthese last few years and
continues to, at least when Ilook at the Tour days, it
remains to be that way. So, youknow, we want to ride it out
into the sunset. So let's keepon playing as many Alice Cooper
shows as possible. And he's mynumber one priority. He's my
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guy, and I'm going to learn asmuch as I can from him before he
decides to, you know, rock oninto the sunset or whatever he
wants to do when he makes hisdecision, like I'll do, I'll
make our decisions. Theneverybody in the band will make
their decisions about whatthey're going to do, and
hopefully, we will have builtenough of the fan base of the
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Alice Cooper that they'll followus with whatever new stuff that
we end up doing after that. Butyou know what? I don't want to
talk about the future, and Ilove talking about the past
because it's fun. But right now,I'm focused on the present,
which is the new single you knowbetter than you check it out on
whatever streaming platform youwant, or just go to YouTube, or
(44:43):
just go to ryanroxy.com I alwaystell ryanroxy.com is the easiest
thing, and I have all my stuffthere. I'll put it in
Chuck Shute (44:49):
the show notes.
People just click it. They don'thave to type it in. They can
just push it, click. It's rightthere.
Ryan Roxie (44:53):
Click right on it.
Just think about it. Think aboutit, and you'll be there.
Awesome.
Chuck Shute (44:57):
Well, thank you so much. I'll let you get off to
your dinner. Her and all rightfor
Unknown (45:01):
us tonight. Mr. Shute, nice talking to you, man. All
right. You too,
Chuck Shute (45:05):
see you later. Hey,
THEME SONG (45:07):
every topic, one of a kind, from the rockets to the
wise men, you
Down with the heavy stars, rock and rolling through
the cool guitars shops got thequestions, digging so sharp,
peeling back layers, hitting theheart.
Chuck Shute (00:20):
So where are you now? Are you? Because I thought
it said in the notes that youmoved to South Africa, which I
found fascinating. Thank you.
Ryan Roxie (00:29):
Well, it is fascinating. It's a it's a
complete polar opposite fromwhere I was living the previous
19 years. And people talk aboutpolar opposites, but I literally
went from the North Pole to theSouth Pole. And you know, going
from Stockholm to Cape Town is abig change, changing the
weather, changing the people,changing the language, but at
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the end of the day, I'm stilllucky enough to be traveling
around a good part of the yearwith Alice Cooper. And so I get
to see the states, and I get tosee Europe regardless. But
Chuck Shute (01:06):
yeah, so I just because, I mean, you know how
the media, I guess I'm part ofthe media, but you know how the
media, they twist things, andthey try to drama, dramatize
things and things. So they'resaying, like, South Africa is so
dangerous, and also, youactually live there. So you can
say, Is it is it dangerous? Areyou scared for your life? Are
you scared for your well being,or is it totally safe? And this
(01:26):
is the media is just blowingthings out of proportion. I
Ryan Roxie (01:28):
think there's places in every town, in every city, in
every part of the world that youwould be afraid to be in at
certain times of the day ornight, there's just places that
you know that can be dangerous.
Can I be completely oblivious ifI said, Oh, is South Africa
(01:49):
dangerous? No, no, it's no. Youjust like Los Angeles, where I
lived a good part of my life,like New York City, where I
lived years as well, and evenStockholm, especially Stockholm
these days, there's just placesthat you avoid and or just know
are you're much more aware ofbeing safe in so South Africa,
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for me, it's been nothing but anamazing experience. I do think
media plays up everything,because it is does seem like a
big talking point right now,whether it's Elon Musk having
something to do with it, whetherit's politics, you know, with my
whole world, I realized thatthat especially Alice's audience
(02:36):
and my audience subsequently,are built of everybody. You
know, there's some there's someleft wingers, there's some right
wingers. I think both of us are,or I think most of us are
somewhere in between and in thecenter, leaning one way or
leaning the other. But like, I'mdefinitely aware of the fact
(02:58):
that both my audience andAlice's audience comprise every
sort of political spectrum andopinion, so I try not to bring
that into into the conversation,because it just like you come to
a rock show to escape all thatstuff, and that's basically what
we're out here doing right now.
(03:20):
Yeah, yeah. Well, I
Chuck Shute (03:21):
thought that was so fascinating. Alice is in a 2018
interview with a guardian. Thatquote that he said about he
didn't like to mix politics androck and roll, and he said he
didn't look at Bono and stingand Bruce Springsteen as
political. He looked at them ashumanitarian. And then he said
something about how, like we youshouldn't look up to rock stars
for politics because we'redumber than than most people,
(03:42):
something like that. Like, Ijust thought, I was like, he
said, also, don't tell peoplewhat to vote for, because that's
not rock and roll. You know,rock and roll is about freedom.
And I was like, Oh, those are,like, great quotes,
Ryan Roxie (03:52):
right? Allows, is the king of the quotes, dude.
He's done enough interviewssince the set, you know, late
60s, all the way to he's doingone probably right now in his
hotel room, so he's a masterclass at interviews and sound
bites. My feeling is like, it'skind of like that thing where
they say, oh, comedians, oh, atthe end of the day, you're just
(04:14):
a comedian. And they don'tlisten to me, I'm just a
comedian. But trust me,comedians have really good
takes, and are a good finger ofthe pulse of what's really going
on. And for better, for worse, Ilook up to comedians because
they do tell it like it is. Oh,let me see, I want to make got
to make sure that I approve yourecording this, huh? Hopefully
(04:36):
it recorded all that so far.
Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (04:38):
hope so, because I was all gold. Yeah, no, I agree.
It's funny, because I've saidthis multiple times. I I feel
like I learned more about thenews and the world from
comedians, and I laugh more atThe Real News, like I watch the
news now, and I just like, it'sjust like a it's like a circus.
It's like comical. The storiesthat they headlines, that they
do, they're just funny to me.
Like, I mean. You look more likemetal sludge is hilarious there.
(05:00):
I think it's funny. But even theReal News, like CBS, ABC, like
it's it's comical, but comedianswill reveal things, and I'm
like, wow, I never knew that. Ithink,
Ryan Roxie (05:10):
I think metal sledge will give you a much more
genuine take of what's actuallyhappening in Tracy Gunn's life
than what Newsmax would,
Chuck Shute (05:21):
yeah, yeah, no, Stevie's great. I love him. I
wait
Unknown (05:27):
the secrets out. You know, who's behind metal sludge?
Chuck Shute (05:30):
Yeah, that's been out for years.
Ryan Roxie (05:33):
I know I'm not. I have, I knew that, but I'm just
talking for my audience that'sjust tuning in now. Oh, it
hasn't signed onto a computersince the last Rock City News
paper edition came out.
Chuck Shute (05:47):
Yeah, no. I mean, that's what I loved, metal edge.
When metal edge, kind of, like,they kind of got into a more,
like, the harder, like the cornand the slip knot and stuff, I
kind of didn't buy it as much.
And then I started going online,and I found metal sludge. And I
was like, Oh, here's where I canfind out about all like, you
know, the bands that I'minterested I think I don't know
if I read about dad's porno mag.
I feel like I might have readabout that in metal edge,
(06:08):
though. Yeah,
Ryan Roxie (06:10):
Jerry was always really supportive of us, and she
was amazing. Metal edge back inthe days, rip magazine was
another one. Catherine Termanover at Rip was great. Circus
magazine was actually kind to myband, even before that. So I'm
talking about old school stuffand metal sludge was, has always
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been our sort of underground.
They're the dark web of rockgossip. I guess it used to be
the dark web.
Chuck Shute (06:38):
Yeah, I just, I just like the the humor some
people get really mad about, andsometimes it'll be an interview
that
Unknown (06:45):
I'm doing, what's that we were just talking about that
before?
Chuck Shute (06:50):
Somebody, you know, maybe rightfully so, but I'm
saying, like, sometimes it'ssomething where I'm in an
interview and I don't, I thinkthe interview goes fine, and
then Blabbermouth will take asnippet of the interview and
they'll put a headline, and thensomebody will get mad, and it's
like, but I think a lot of thatstuff is fun. Like, I think
rock, I think the rivalries, Ithink the shit talk, I think all
that stuff is fun to me. Like, Ilove like, The Motley Crue Guns
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and Roses, you know, they hadtheir beef, and then Motley Crue
had a beef with Metallica. And,like, I just thought all that
shit was so funny to me,
Ryan Roxie (07:21):
in a way, I think because of the times that we
had, those times, and I waslucky enough to live in those
times, it you have to remember,it was before the cell phone. It
was before everybody recordedeverything. Yeah, there was
always that sort of sludge.
That's a good way of putting it.
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There was that sludginess ofwhere was the truth. Now, with
everybody recording it andhaving a video podcast of
someone saying this or that,it's all referenced, and
everybody has receipts back inmetal sludge, there was kind of
a murkiness going on where youcould, kind of, like, you know,
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never let the truth get in theway of a good story, right?
Chuck Shute (08:07):
Well, it's funny, because people will get mad even
when I make a clip myself. AndI'll, you know, like, a lot of
times on Instagram, I can onlyget, you know, 60 seconds, so
I'll show a clip, and thenpeople will, they'll, they'll
jump to some conclusion. Andlike, you clearly didn't watch
the full episode, because you'regetting an opinion and you
haven't watched the full thing,and so I don't know it's it's
hard to
Ryan Roxie (08:27):
call in the business the hook. Right the hook? It's
funny now that a lot of rock androllers are looking for hooks in
their posts and then theirstories in their YouTube
content, than just concentratingon what's really important,
which is the hooks of the songs.
And because the hooks of thesongs is basically the only
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reason why I'm still have a jobwith Alice Cooper, is because
his original great band, theAlice Cooper band, wrote the
hookiest songs, and throughoutthe years, all the records that
Alice has made, and, you know,hopefully a few of the records
that I've been a part of, theyhave, they're chock full of
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hooks. And that's the reason whypeople keep coming to the shows,
because they want to, they wantto experience those songs, and
what they, you know, meant tothem the first time they saw
them as well.
Chuck Shute (09:21):
Yeah, I was just listening to some of your soul
stuff today, and I was, I wastelling adika, I was messing I
was like, you know, I actuallyreally like Ryan's soul stuff.
It is good. Like, it's hooky,this new song better than you.
It's catchy. And I like, I likecatchy stuff. So I don't know. I
mean, if that's what peoplelike, I feel like they should
enjoy that as well. But how doyou stand out? Because I feel
like, I think it only had, whenI last checked on Spotify, it
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only had, like, 2000 downloads.
I was like, what like, thesongs? Like, way better than
that. Like, how do you I mean,
Ryan Roxie (09:51):
more eyeballs on it.
And if there's someone out therewatching this right now that can
crack, help me crack thatSpotify app. Algorithm. Because
how do you do it? You know?
Yeah, you ask for people tolisten to it, obviously. But
then if they listen to it forjust like 10 seconds, which is
like the normal attention spanof the music listener now, then
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the algorithm thinks, oh, well,it's people don't like it's not
as popular. So, so listen to thesong. Give it a whole, you know,
whole songs less than threeminutes. You can take three
minutes out of your life tolisten to better than you the
whole time through. If you askpeople to put it on their
playlist. I know that sort thatsort of thing happens, but yeah,
I mean, what I'm doing with thissong, and you know, with the
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next songs that I'm going to bereleasing are all, like
grassroots indie based. This islike a people's sort of band,
the Ryan Roxy stuff that I'mputting out. I'm relying on my
Instagram, like sort offollowing crowd, the inner
cores. I call it the RGA, theRoxy guitar army that are on my
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public channel, and even more ofa condensed nucleus version the
all accessors, which you know,is under 200 people. But you
know what? Those 200 people canreally, really make a
difference, and that's whatwe're trying to do here. Look at
one point it catches fire. I'mhappy, but if it never does, I'm
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still happy with the way thesong turned out. Because I
because people seem to be reallydigging the video. They seem to
be digging the catchiness ofthe, you know, right out of the
gate, the sort of sing songabout it. So, you know, I'll
keep releasing them as long aspeople, you know, it keeps
growing. But
Chuck Shute (11:41):
do you think you have to have some sort of, like,
some sort of crazy, like thingto get attention for people
like, I mean, you said AliceCooper. People love Alice Cooper
because of the hooky songs,which I agree, there's great
songs, but wasn't part of hisshtick is that he chops his head
off in the show and shit. Therewas the shock rock like that was
a big reason about why he becameso popular. Yeah.
Ryan Roxie (12:03):
I mean, there are definitely things that you that
you can do, that that cansupport the music, but at the
end of the day, the good songhas to have that longevity.
There's plenty of other bandsthat have done the same thing
that you're talking about, andin fact, to a much more, you
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know, intense level, but youcan't name more than one or two
of their songs, so you have to,like, go back to where you can
name a whole catalog of music,and that's where it comes back
to the songwriting. But, yeah, Iget it. I mean, there's always
it'll help if there's some sortof controversy going on. I mean,
the thing that we did that was alittle bit different, and we
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just put this out in in sort ofcahoots with the song, was that
we came up with an AI version ofmyself. And that AI version, you
know, always say, what wouldyour younger self ask your older
self questions? We were able toactually do that with this AI
interview,
Chuck Shute (13:07):
and that was crazy.
What company did you use to dothat? Because my cousin in law
was trying to get me to do that.
And I was like, what?
Ryan Roxie (13:17):
Yeah, that was me.
And hold on one second, becauseI'm gonna have to just tell tell
him real quick that I'll messagehim back. You know
Chuck Shute (13:26):
is that Alice, is that my buddy Alice, told him to
do my
Unknown (13:29):
podcast, and I told him I be I was doing an interview,
and Chuck
Chuck Shute (13:33):
Shute the best podcast ever, that we gotta get
the word out.
Unknown (13:37):
Let me get let me just tell her I'm doing an interview
right now, buddy dot, dot. Dot.
Call you back after
Chuck Shute (13:48):
he could join in if you
Ryan Roxie (13:52):
so. Basically, I'm just a stepping stone to get to
Alice Cooper. I get it. Oh,
Chuck Shute (13:56):
what? No, I love you. I love dad's porno mag. I
love all your solo stuff. I lovethis new song. I'm not being
like a fucking like, kiss asslike, I actually like it. The
video is cool. And you got all,like, the the Beavis and butt
head and Brady Bunch, and allthese Easter eggs or whatever
that's
Ryan Roxie (14:12):
that's Irwin Erwin Longway that did the video. He
did he's done an incredible job.
He does a lot of the artwork. Hedoes artwork for my podcast, and
he also does some artwork for mya lot of my guitar picks and
stuff and and so he's really,really talented. And when we
went to do shoot the video, ornot shoot the video, I guess I
did shoot the video, becauseit's just me on a green screen,
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but he put all that stuff inback. I think he ended up
saying, like, two or 300backgrounds that he used for it.
So go check out the video again.
Don't check out 10 seconds ofit. Check out the whole two
minutes and 49 seconds of it.
That would help out. Yeah, it's
Chuck Shute (14:50):
catchy. It gets in your head. Have you ever, has
anyone ever told you that yourvoice sounds like Ed Roland from
collective soul?
Ryan Roxie (14:58):
No, but I love Ed rolling from collective. So I
wish it would sound more likeit, but what I got is similar.
No, my old bass player in myband, electric angels. His name
is Jonathan, Daniel, and nowhe's, he's like,
Chuck Shute (15:14):
Yeah, we were talking about that, like, that's
like, a superstar band. He's
Ryan Roxie (15:18):
a, he's a mogul. Now manager,
Chuck Shute (15:20):
yeah, he manages my friends, band, train. All
Ryan Roxie (15:24):
right, cool. All right. Well, not not just train,
but Green Day and Fall Out Boyand lordy and he's, he's, he's
got a good, really good roster.
Well, he always says, he goes,Man, you sound more and more
like Donnie V every single
THEME SONG (15:42):
Oh, yeah,
Ryan Roxie (15:44):
I love those. Early enough is enough records. I love
chips. Voice to chip and Donnieactually sound quite similar to
each other. But, yeah, Donnie,Donnie V's voice is, is a great
voice, but you know the ultimatefor me, Robin Xander. He's my
he's my ultimate favorite, likevoice and the voice, the two
voices I think I tried to copyin, you know, tried to emulate
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over the years, Robin Zander andLiam Gallagher, because I just
like Oasis voice. You know thatI love that band as well. But,
you know, I don't know how closeI got to either of them, but
hopefully there's a little bitof originality in that voice.
But you know, have you
Chuck Shute (16:28):
ever met either of them? Um, I
Ryan Roxie (16:32):
Robin Xander sang on my on my solo album called
Imagine your reality, that I putout just a couple years ago, and
he, we actually did a cover ofCalifornia man, and that was
track three on heaven tonight.
And I made it track three of,imagine your reality. So he
ended up doing a do sort of aduet with me. And Robin has
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been, you know, and everybody incheap trick, basically all the
guys in cheap trick, you know,Rick Nielsen, huge, huge hero of
mine, Tom Peterson, you know,wanted to be that guy growing up
as well. Buddy Carlos is great,but now they have DAX Nielsen
too, who's just as great. And Ilove DAX, but that band get
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along with very well. And on theflip side of the coin, I don't
know if I ever do want to meetLiam Gallagher, because, you
know, it might be one of thosesituations where you go be
careful. You know, if you meetthe people you really look up
to, they might. I do think he'sfunny as fuck, though. I think
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he's like, he comes up with,like, great, like, honest
answers and like, he's he'searned the degree and not giving
a fuck, and he can do it in, inall his interviews and stuff
like that. And I just hope he'sable to prove it and walk the
walk when they reform and dotheir, uh, their stadium too. I
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just hope it's not one of thosethings where it's like, you
know, one and done. I reallywant to see them like, succeed.
Chuck Shute (18:07):
Yeah. I don't know if they're coming to feed. I
should go catch that show,because it might be the only
chance you get right. It mightbe like you said, I'm done,
Ryan Roxie (18:14):
yeah? I mean, I've read something where they're not
getting paid for the shows untilafter the show is done, like,
like, they'll get like, just tomake sure that they don't break
up before going on stage. Youknow, that's fine, which is
completely the opposite of whatlike the Alice Cooper
organization is, because I don'tthink we've ever gone on late,
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not for personal reasons.
There's something's wrong withthe stage, maybe, but no one's
ever, you know, said nah, nah,give me five minutes, because
I'm just not feeling it. No,Alice is like, if you're five
minutes early, you're fiveminutes late, we're always on
time, and he does not cancelshows. I mean, the guys out
there touring now with with youknow, he had a bout of shingles,
man. I mean painful, painfulthing, and he's out there just
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giving it his all. You know,it's not any secret. He said it
in interviews and stuff, and hesaid it, but, but, you know, he
really, really is a consummateprofessional. And I, luckily
enough, I've been able to learna lot from him.
Chuck Shute (19:18):
Yeah, I think you talked about that practice,
persistence and patience. Yeah.
I mean, I feel like I do allthose things, and I I still am
too forgettable. So I just, Iwant to, like, how does Alice?
You think it was the shock rockthat that catapulted him to the
top?
Ryan Roxie (19:34):
I think with Alice, it was at the end of the day. I
really do think it was thesongs, because those songs still
are iconic, long lasting. Youstill get the same energy out of
out of them when you listen tothem on on classic rock radio. I
think it was him in the wholeband. Just nose to the What's
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that nose to the grind, or grindto the nose, or whatever it is.
You just. Yeah, no, justgrindstone. No. You just don't
know any other lifestyle. Hedoesn't know a different
lifestyle, other than being ontour and then a small break
recording and then getting backout on the road. Because even in
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today, I mean, he's 77 yearsold, and he's still when he's
not on the road, he's in thestudio, or he's doing a, you
know, doing some sort of newshow and new podcast, or
something like that. So again,really inspiring for us, not
just to be on stage with him,because, you know, we're
competing with the getting ourenergy levels up to someone
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that's seven in their 70s thatcan outmatch any singer and or
at least go toe to toe with anysinger in their 20s and 30s.
It's pretty cool to be on stageand have to get up to that level
of energy, and then you see thethings he does offstage and the
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work ethic that he has, itinspires us, and it inspires
well, you can see it inspireseverybody in the band, because
Chuck's got his own band with alot of albums out with beast of
Blanco. Nita has got a greatcareer going with her own solo
career. Tommy's got CrossboneScully, which he's really been
putting a lot of work and donegreat stuff with. Glenn's been
playing drums with I think he'sgot a track on the new Billy
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Idol album. I've got my newsingle out and recording a bunch
of new songs that are going tobe released, plus doing my
podcast and enjoying justtalking like the way we're doing
right now to a bunch of otherartists as well. So yeah, I
think the routine of keeping itgoing is what really has given
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Alice that legacy status.
Chuck Shute (21:46):
Yeah, so, I mean, you said 77 I mean, he can't go
on forever. At some point he'sgoing to have to stop. What is
your plan? Have you looked thatfar into the future? Would you
just then continue to focus onyour solo stuff? Or would you
join another band, like, wouldyou join Guns and Roses if they
had an opening.
Ryan Roxie (22:01):
I think that ship has sailed, to be honest with
you, friend, I did that yearsago. It was, it was, you know,
when they were putting togethera higher Guns and Roses and, you
know, I had always said when Iplayed with slash, I now, I
think I've not been in a band,legitimately been in a band with
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two of the members, slash andGilby, in separate bands, and
done some touring with StevenAdler as well. So I feel like
I've, you know, I've definitelycontributed to that legacy, or
I've been a part of that legacy,for, you know, with just my
experience of knowing the guys,I thought that the album that I
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made with slash the ain't life,grand album that had rod Jackson
singing on it, who killed it?
You know, every musician on thatalbum killed it. Johnny Grae was
amazing on bass and Teddy zigzagon the keyboards. And, of
course, you had, you had Mattlog, who now drums in ACDC as
the drummer in that band. It'san album really worth checking
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out. So that was cool. As far asjoining a band post Alice, you'd
have to just say, Okay, whatband is it? Do we all align? You
know, would I like, you know,jump in on a cheap trick show
here? You know, in a second, ina second, of course, but they've
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got their kids all in the bandsnow, you know, they, I know that
Robin's a son who's reallytalented as well, is playing in
the band. You know, if Oasisneeded a second guitar player,
third guitar player, fuck yeah,come on. How are we going to do
it? Because you want to playwith the bands that you grew up
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idolizing. But at the same time,there's, there's more
opportunities to put our ownstuff together, and who knows
what other musicians are out.
There's a lot of talented peoplethat I've been able to meet
through Alice Cooper thatpossible connections and musical
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projects could be formed. Forsure. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (24:12):
do you ever think you ever wonder, what if you
didn't get the Alice Cooper gig,like, where would you be? I
mean, because you did, like yousaid, you're working with slash
and, I mean, you have all theseother things that you're doing.
Every every
Ryan Roxie (24:23):
band I've always been in has opened the door to
the next band. And I do tellpeople that that are in bands,
young bands that are currentlyplaying, I say, look, remain
friends with the guys and girlsthat you're in the band with,
because that'll eventually leadyou to your next gig. And that's
exactly what happened with withAlice. I got the call from Alice
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because I was playing with Gilbyand Gilby Clark, and he
basically Alice wanted to maybeaudition. In myself and Gilby.
Gilby couldn't do it because ofhis own solo stuff going on at
the time, and but the door wasopen for me. And Gilby said, Go
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get that gig. And from there,the slash door opened, and then
even producing my own firstdad's porno mag. You mentioned
dad's porno mag, the producer ofthat record, one of the
producers, Mark Shulman, who's agreat drummer in his own right,
he he turned me on to the talBachman record, which got me
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into that avenue of of music.
And that, ironically, is thebiggest track I think I've
played on in my career thatnobody knows I'm playing on,
unless you're in my innercircle. But she's so high, yeah,
he's so high. That's all myguitar. And you know, the
experience of being able to makean album with Bob Rock was was
incredible. And then, you know,just the producers of the songs
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that I've been able to work withover the years is pretty
freaking cool. I mean, the firstproducer I worked with was Tony
Visconti, who did all the T Rexstuff, and that was electric
angels. And then we moved onwith Bob Rock, and then guys
like, who else? Jim Mitchell,who engineered Guns and Roses,
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Jack Douglas, who did my thefirst two Cheap Trick records.
We worked on the slash albumtogether Bob Ezrin, we've worked
with on the newest Alice Cooperrecord as well. So been able to
work with a lot of talentedpeople, and not just musicians,
but producers as well.
Chuck Shute (26:37):
Yeah, I know you got to get out of here. Can we
give a shout out to one of yourbiggest fans, Jackie. Do you
remember? You know her? Jackiefrom Canada. Jackie Cole I don't
know where she's from. I thinkshe's from Canada. Is she okay?
She always posts about you.
She's like your biggest fan. Shehas questions. She wanted to
know what your favorite song wasthat you ever wrote,
Ryan Roxie (26:57):
the favorite song that I ever wrote. Man, we're
just as songwriters. We'repretty protective that we all
think. We all think a lot of oursongs are our hits, and we have
this one, this one's all goingto the top. But I would say one
of my favorites that I'vewritten is this newest one,
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because it's out now and it'sgetting a lot of attention
amongst my group of people,like, Oh, I didn't expect this,
this song with what I knew youfrom with Alice, you know, I
expected, I expected a certainsong, if you, if you're the
guitarist in Alice Cooper, but Ididn't expect this indie rock
vibe to it. So I like surprisingpeople like that. As far as
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other songs that I think couldbe one of those lighter in the
air songs, there's a song calledSecond Chances off of the Roxy
77 peace love and Armageddonalbum that I'm really happy with
it's a ballad, and it's producedwell, and I don't know it's a
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tough question, Jackie, to behonest with you, because, let's
be honest, we're all prettyprotective, and we don't like to
think we write shit and put itout there. We like to think
everything we write is prettydamn good, and that's why we put
it out there. But, you know, I'msure there's some clunkers in
there, but I'm pretty happy witheverything.
Chuck Shute (28:26):
Yeah. Oh, she had another question too. I thought
was interesting. Who is someonefamous that you that you want to
meet? I know you, you said youmaybe don't want to meet Liam
Gallagher, but is there someone?
I mean, you probably could meetalmost anyone famous you want
through Alice. That's a goodconnection.
Ryan Roxie (28:41):
Yeah. I mean, I've been talking about Bucket List
of meeting so many of yourheroes and not being
disappointed. And, like I said,Fuck it, I would say Liam
Gallagher again. I don't want tomeet him, but I do want to meet
him, because I think we couldhave, you know, we could have a
beer and we could talk, we coulddefinitely talk Beatles, you
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know, it just like I said, it'dbe one of those things that if
he was on a bender or wasn'tfeeling the vibe, or I was too
Yank for him, then, you know,then I'd be out. But I don't
know, I like, I think comediansare kind of like the if I'm
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going to fanboy out, I'm goingto fan boy out with with more
like comedians and stuff likethat. Like I lucky enough to
have one of my favoritecomedians of all time, Doug
Stanhope, on my podcast. Andeven though we never met in
person, we had like, a three anda half hour podcast where I felt
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like, Damn, that was cool tomeet him. So there's, you know,
Daniel Tosh, another comedianthat I would love to meet. You
know, he might hate me, maybenot. But you know, and Bill
Burr, he's one of those guysthat like he he comes. From my
wheelhouse of rock, he reallydoes. But would he like me? I
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don't know but, but I know he'sa drummer and so, yeah, I guess
Steven
Chuck Shute (30:11):
Adler. So would I want to he what? I think I saw
that bill burr follows StephenAdler. I just thought that was
interesting.
Ryan Roxie (30:19):
Yeah, jams. He jams drums with with a lot of people,
yeah. So I think he's, you know,like I said, it's maybe not so
much musicians that are on mybucket list to meet. It's more
like comedians, because, like,again, they are the truth,
they're the truth Sayers intoday's world, you know, you can
hide behind some comedian. Butagain, going back to your point
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about musicians, I don't thinkwe're all stupid and drunk and
idiots. There's definitely ashare of them out there that
are, but, you know, they'rehaving a good time. More power
to them. But think about it, weare the ones that get to go on
tour and see the world for whatit really is. Choose to step
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outside the tour bus bubble thatwe can put ourselves in.
Sometimes we can see everysingle city to what it truly is,
and I guarantee you, it's a lotbetter than what you know the
media says, yeah. Do you
Chuck Shute (31:18):
do that when you go on tour? Do you travel? Would
you go just like walk into alocal bar and just talk to
people? Because I love doingthat. But I mean, I'm not, I'm
not like in an Alice Cooperband. So, you know, it's
different.
Ryan Roxie (31:29):
I like the fantasy of saying that I do that, and I
do it occasionally, but thenagain, it's very easy and in
sewer to stay in that tour buslevel, but that like, oh, like,
I'm, oh, I'm gonna go out andsee the city. Well, what does
that mean? Well, that means I'mgonna go to with Alice to play
some golf in the morning at thelocal, amazing country club, and
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then come back to the hotel anduse the hotel gym, then go to
the, you know, go to the venueand have, like, nice catering,
and then play in front of peoplethat really are digging the
music. So yeah, it's one thingto actually say, Yeah, I'm gonna
really see what this city'sabout. And then the other thing
is to like, well, this is prettynice, too, living this
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lifestyle. But I will be honestwith you, I have walked around,
and I do it more in Europe thanI do it in the States. And I'm
sorry to say, but I do walkaround with my headphones on and
check out the city and just seea lot of stuff. Yeah,
Chuck Shute (32:29):
I think it's crazy, because I'm in Phoenix, and,
like a lot of people, see AliceCooper, just how I saw him at
the mall one time, and mygirlfriend didn't believe me. I
was like, That's Alice. And shegoes, No, it's not. And I said,
Alice, and he turned around, andI just then I froze, and I was
like, Rock on, like, he's justshopping with his kids, just at
the mall, just out and
Ryan Roxie (32:45):
about. You don't want to meet Alice Cooper
backstage, because, you know,he'll either be throwing knives
or he'll be like, you know,getting into character watching
kung fu movies. You want to meetAl is that a hot topic?
Chuck Shute (33:00):
Yeah, and you could, he's out, and my, my
girlfriend's dad saw him atlike, a storage locker, and he
was making conversation like,he's very, just like a man of
the people. It's very cool, but,but he's also
Ryan Roxie (33:10):
a man. He's easily he's like a man of 1000
different disguises too. So hehas some good disguises. It's
hard to disguise being NilesCooper, but when he wants to, he
can be Lon Chaney, if you will.
Chuck Shute (33:23):
Yeah, no, I definitely recognize him,
though, but that's very cool.
Well, oh yeah. So you have thenew single out. You mentioned
your podcast, but I don't, youhaven't. Seems like you haven't
done an episode in a while. Isthat still active?
Ryan Roxie (33:33):
Or the actual AI video is our latest? Yeah, I
watched that. It's our latestspecial episode of in the
trenches podcast we just had on.
I mean, since I moved down toSouth Africa, it took a little
while to set the studio up andget everything running. But Vic,
our producer and Vic Chalfont,gets a big shout out for putting
(33:54):
together that whole AI videowith the avatar and everything.
Chuck Shute (34:00):
So cost money.
Like, is that a company youhired? Or how does that work?
No, it's Vic shop
Ryan Roxie (34:04):
on our producer, and we, we actually, I did the
research of finding out, like,who else has interviewed them,
AI self, and there was this guyfrom Norway that did it the
best. And I wish I had his nameright now so I can give him a
shout out. Maybe we can get itin the credits or something,
but, but he was instrumental in,like, in helping Vic with the
(34:30):
right companies, the right a.aiwebsites to use. I went to 11
labs. I believe it was they dothe best voice impersonations.
Like, honestly, AI came up withall the questions, and it really
sounds like me asking thequestions to myself. And yeah,
(34:51):
it
Chuck Shute (34:51):
was crazy. And then you add, like, different
versions of yourself, differentera different
Ryan Roxie (34:56):
different eras of myself. So I you know Vic
Chalfont, same producer thatdoes. The in the trenches
podcast, you know, since I'vebeen to South Africa, I'd say
the podcast itself slowed down,only because we're getting the
studio together, but we'reramping it back up again. It
always kind of goes with like,where, where am I going to be on
tour? You know, if the tourschedule is able to fit in.
(35:20):
That's why we were able to do somany episodes during the dark
times. You know, I don't knowwhen you started your your
podcast, but did you startedduring COVID or?
Chuck Shute (35:29):
No, I started it before, and then everybody
fucking copied me and jumped onthe bandwagon, and now I'm at
the bottom of the pile again.
Yeah. Well, guess what? COVID
Ryan Roxie (35:39):
podcasts are, like herpes. Everybody has them so.
But the thing is, you know, wewere able to get a good schedule
going. We had a good run. Wewere doing two or three a week,
and we ended up getting overthat 100. And, you know, 140
100. I think we're at almost 150episodes now, and that's it.
(36:02):
That's, that's how you know, youcan last for a while when you've
done it that many episodes, andI'm sure you've done a lot of
them as well, but it's all aboutthe consistency. And, yeah,
Chuck Shute (36:12):
almost 500 here. So
Ryan Roxie (36:15):
that's great. That's great. But, you know, look,
then, then you go to Joe Rogan,and he's got, like, what, 10,000
Chuck Shute (36:23):
Well, the thing I just saw something yesterday
was, like the kids fromsopranos, like the actors, they
have a podcast to get, like,literally everybody and anybody
who's a remote level of fame. Ifthey start a podcast day one,
they have more followers thanme. So, you know, I ask these
questions about, How do I standout? I'm just trying to learn as
a as somebody who wants to be,
Ryan Roxie (36:44):
if I find any information on how to break that
algorithm, and you find how manyany information about to get
into the Spotify loophole ofgetting into the most requested
heat seeker, I think
Chuck Shute (36:56):
one you, when we said controversy, is that is one
thing, but I would say another.
We you mentioned the guests whenyou had, I think having guests,
who's the guy I had, him on myshow, Billy Billy Morrison. I
think he's the, yeah, he's goodat that guitar player with Billy
Idol. He had, like, Ozzy andBilly Idol, and all these guests
on his album, and his songs arejust taken off. He's, like, the
number one song. And, I mean, Ithink that's really smart. Some
(37:19):
people say, No, this is aboutthis is about me and my music,
and they're trying to stay trueand all that. I understand that.
But like, if you want to breakinto the algorithm, whatever,
the more guests, the names youhave, like, that's, I don't know
it works,
Ryan Roxie (37:33):
but take but involve the guests, not just because
they're going to get you clicks.
No,
Chuck Shute (37:39):
no, of course, not song, he said, Billy Morrison.
He goes this song, it's, it'sfor Ozzy, because I'm not bigger
than the song. He the way youshould watch him, interview with
him. It was a great interview.
That guy's really cool. I likehim. He's
Ryan Roxie (37:53):
and he knows how to network. We were actually
supposed to connect. The lasttime I was in LA, they had a
show together that we're goingto do the first cars album in
its entirety. And I'm a big fanof the band. The cars amazing
album came out in 77 produced byRoy Thomas Baker, just like,
(38:13):
really cool. Every song is, youknow, great. Elliot Easton, the
guitar player from that band,one of the best solo guitar
parts guys that's out there. Healways plays the right part for
the song, that lifts it andsolos tell a story within the
song. Fucking great. So we weresupposed to do, I was gonna do,
(38:38):
was it Bye, Bye, love, and don'tjust stop it. Was a couple songs
I was going to go play with him,and now and then, then all those
la fires happen, and they'relike, Nah, we're going to delay
it so, you know, didn't happen.
But you know, Tommy's Tommy'stight with him. And, like I
said, great networker. So good,good for him. Maybe, maybe I can
(38:59):
ride the coattails of the BillyMorrison singles and get my
better than you out there tomore eyeballs. Well,
Chuck Shute (39:08):
it has my validation. It has my
endorsement for whatever that'sworth. Like I enjoyed it. I
enjoy your soul music, shootendorsement. I like that. It's
not worth anything. But I mean,you know something, maybe, yeah,
Ryan Roxie (39:24):
down. You keep doing your episodes, you keep
representing metal sludge andcarrying the torch. It's
perfect, yeah.
Chuck Shute (39:31):
And I love the comedians too. I love your
podcast. And you know, JordanPeterson, like, that's a bucket
list guest for me. That wasamazing. That's that
Ryan Roxie (39:38):
was cool. That was turned out that Jordan is a fan
of Alice. He was just veryintrigued by Alice. So that's
how we were able to get him ontothe show. I said, Because he
because, because I, you know,like, again, having an
intellectual like that onto thepodcast, it's not as what are
you going to talk about? Well,our angle was he. Really loved.
(40:01):
Welcome to my nightmare, thealbum as a concept. So I'm like,
Well, shit, I've played prettymuch every song off that album,
you know, 1000s of times. So whynot, you know? And then we we
talked about and then we got totalking about a bunch of other
stuff. So yeah, him and and EricWeinstein is another
intellectual that we had on thepodcast that was very, very cool
(40:26):
to interview. I don't know ifyou know Eric,
Chuck Shute (40:28):
but Oh yeah, yeah.
I mean, I love all I would loveour
Ryan Roxie (40:31):
guy, guitarist himself, and just, yeah, very,
very inspiring to have theseguys. But maybe that's my sort
of angle, and your angle is thatwe are collaborating, maybe not
on songs, but I'm collaboratingwith people just by knowing
them. You know, I just had aconversation with this morning,
(40:51):
with Michael de bar from littleStevens underground ground
garage. And I love his show. Ilove to listen to it and Alice
and I listen to it pretty muchevery morning when we're on our
way to golf. And he played, heplayed like this, the Segway, he
played the Hollies and the andthe replacements back to back.
(41:13):
And I was like, that's so cool.
So I actually messaged him. Isaid, Man, Alice and I are
freaking great songs. And heliterally messaged me right back
within two minutes and said, Oh,I'm so glad tell Alice, you
know, thank you for carrying thetorch, and thank you for, you
know, continuing to make music.
And I'm like, Yeah, well, thankyou for playing it,
Chuck Shute (41:33):
yeah, exactly, I mean, just Yeah, exactly,
carrying the torch and keepingit alive and talking about it,
and, you know, endorsing it andsharing as much as I can with my
small little followers, like Itry to do my part.
Ryan Roxie (41:44):
Well, you know what?
Let's instead of calling itsmall, by the time people watch
this, what have you? What if itgot on that thing where the
chuck shoot podcast just became,you just leapfrogged over
everyone that started theirpodcast in the dark times,
because you were there before.
You're a pioneer,
Chuck Shute (42:01):
yeah, they kind of leapfrogged me some section. A
lot of people quit after haveyou, I don't know if you noticed
that, like about 2023, peopleare like, I'm done with this
podcasting bullshit. No, if
Ryan Roxie (42:11):
you get past, like I said, if you get past 100
episodes, you can say that youhaven't until you get to that
level, because it's, it's noteasy, man, most, I think most
harder. Most people do aboutmaybe 30 episodes, and then it's
kind of like getting gets kindof weak, weak, weak, weak. I
mean, I'm glad, I'm glad we gotover the Centurion mark, and
(42:33):
then then our production kind ofslowed down a little bit, but
you know what, we can ramp itback up. I enjoy talking to
people. I enjoy doing stuff likethis as well. And, you know,
hopefully I haven't ruffled toomany feathers today. So
Chuck Shute (42:46):
well, yeah, me, me too. I don't want to ruffle any
feathers. Give my love to Aliceand the band. I love everybody.
I don't hate anybody. I don'twant to ruffle feathers. I just,
I love rock, and I think it'sfun, and I love music. I love
your new song. I love the video.
It's all great. Well, let's doany solo shows, like, I'd come
see you if you come to Phoenix?
Ryan Roxie (43:04):
Yeah. I mean, living in South Africa, it's not easy
just to skip on over to Phoenix,but it
Chuck Shute (43:10):
happened to be if, like, there was a, you know, you
know, Alice lives here, so youcould visit him and then do a
show, yeah?
Ryan Roxie (43:16):
In between, yeah, absolutely. And I have no
problem. I have putting I've putbands together, a European
lineup, a UK lineup. I've evenhad a grease lineup and an
American lineup for the solostuff before. So we've done
tours in the past. It's justthat, you know, fingers crossed
(43:37):
and knock on wood and all thatkind of stuff. Alice's tour
schedule has been jam packedthese last few years and
continues to, at least when Ilook at the Tour days, it
remains to be that way. So, youknow, we want to ride it out
into the sunset. So let's keepon playing as many Alice Cooper
shows as possible. And he's mynumber one priority. He's my
(43:58):
guy, and I'm going to learn asmuch as I can from him before he
decides to, you know, rock oninto the sunset or whatever he
wants to do when he makes hisdecision, like I'll do, I'll
make our decisions. Theneverybody in the band will make
their decisions about whatthey're going to do, and
hopefully, we will have builtenough of the fan base of the
(44:20):
Alice Cooper that they'll followus with whatever new stuff that
we end up doing after that. Butyou know what? I don't want to
talk about the future, and Ilove talking about the past
because it's fun. But right now,I'm focused on the present,
which is the new single you knowbetter than you check it out on
whatever streaming platform youwant, or just go to YouTube, or
(44:43):
just go to ryanroxy.com I alwaystell ryanroxy.com is the easiest
thing, and I have all my stuffthere. I'll put it in
Chuck Shute (44:49):
the show notes.
People just click it. They don'thave to type it in. They can
just push it, click. It's rightthere.
Ryan Roxie (44:53):
Click right on it.
Just think about it. Think aboutit, and you'll be there.
Awesome.
Chuck Shute (44:57):
Well, thank you so much. I'll let you get off to
your dinner. Her and all rightfor
Unknown (45:01):
us tonight. Mr. Shute, nice talking to you, man. All
right. You too,
Chuck Shute (45:05):
see you later. Hey,
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