Warrant Guitarist Joey Allen Opens Up About New Music, Band Business, & More!

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THEME SONG (00:04):
Bending down with the heavy stars rock and rolling
through the cool guitars shopsgot the questions, digging so
sharp, peeling back layers,hitting the heart.

Unknown (00:21):
Hey, man, hello. How are you I'm good. How are you
doing, buddy,

Chuck Shute (00:26):
good. It's just I'm in Arizona where I think you're,
you're singer. Robert Masonlives here, right?

Unknown (00:33):
Robert lives there, Steven lives there. And I have a
house. I have a house over onthe river there. Oh,

wow. Okay, yeah, my air conditioning went out. So
you know how hot it gets, and soI'm just like, so if I start
sweating, it's not because I'mon cocaine, it's because it's
there's no air conditioning, so

Unknown (00:49):
we're surviving, but cocaine is no fun anymore. It's
got fentanyl in it now,

yeah, that's true, yeah. Well, you guys were never,
you never were like the drugband, right? You were just more
like the drink. We

Unknown (00:59):
were the drinker. Band, yeah, sure. But all good buddy,
all good

Yeah. Cuz now and you're in California, still,
right? Southern

Joey Allen (01:07):
California, I am, yeah, I'm in Orange County. How

is it over there?
Because I know there was somestuff going on and there was
fires, hopefully that werecontained. But I mean, you're
pretty you're kind of removedfrom the the crazy stuff, right?
I'm in your

Unknown (01:24):
bowl. I'm in your Belinda with the crazy stuff,
with the protesters

downtown. Yes, yeah, there was, yeah,

Unknown (01:31):
I don't, I don't subscribe to anything of that,
like that. I think it'sbullshit. I think I, you know
what, look if we want to getinto politics, I'll say this.
I'm a middle of the road guy.
I'm a reasonable adult, and Ithink that taxes, and everything
that taxes people pay for taxesshould go to the people that pay
the taxes. Period.

That's a radical idea. What do you so?

Unknown (01:57):
And yeah, you know, I've got some friends that I
know that aren't legal. They'rehere illegally. They've been
here for a long time. They workhard, they speak great English.
They're good people, they've gotgood families. And there needs
to be a sensible solution topeople like that. But as far as
opening our borders to anybodythat's insane, you know, that's

(02:19):
insane. Anyways, we don't needto get into politics? No,

yeah. I just wanted to make sure you were safe.
Because, I mean, it looked kindof because I know there was the
fires last year, and I know thatwas really and I saw people on
TV lighting the bushes on fire,like the whole immigration
thing. I mean, that's a wholenother issue. I'm just saying,
like the rioting stuff, orwhatever you want to call it the
chaos. I don't even know ifthose people are, if that's why

(02:43):
they're there. That's a wholenother rabbit hole. But yeah. I
mean, when you see peoplelighting the bushes on fire in
California, it's just reallybecause they're like that can
spread like it did last year,and that was really scary. I

Unknown (02:53):
think pretty much you should take people that do that,
you should light them on fire.
How's that?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's it makes you angry, for
sure, yeah, you hate to seethat, like

Unknown (03:04):
people that spend their whole lives working their ass
off to buy a home, and if someasshole wants to light it on
fire, you should just be able tolight that person on fire.

I mean, yeah, better yet, you

Unknown (03:18):
should catch them if they do it, and you should put
it on TV and light them on fireand do a pay per view, because I
would pay $1,000 to watch that.

Yeah, it's like that movie The Running Man,
where they used to capture thecriminals, and then they, they
put they'd have a game for themto survive against the but they,
but they weren't criminals.
That's the that was the problemwith that one. Yeah, that's
there's a lot of corruption inthe world, unfortunately. But,
yeah, that's crazy. I was, I wasthinking about that with the
riots, though, because itreminded me of the 92 riots. And
then Aerosmith wrote that reallycool song, living on the edge. I

(03:48):
was like, That song is, like,still relevant today. You know,
it's like, it's crazy how it'slike, we're going running in
circles here. It's like those

Unknown (03:58):
Toys in the Attic and all that fun dream, you know,
draw the line. All that stuffstill relevant, yeah? Think
about it. I mean, everybody's alittle crazy. Toys in the Attic,
that's what that means, right?
You're a little crazy. But,yeah, man, everything's good.
How you doing, Chuck?

I'm doing, yeah, besides the AC thing I'm I'm
doing, we're actually reallygood. I think my thing is, like,
I kind of want to get youradvice on this. Advice on this,
because, I mean, you, youstarted with Warren. I mean, you
were in other bands, I think,and you got Warren, and then you
guys grew this animal into thismonster thing, and then there
was a point where you just werelike, I'm done, right? And then

(04:38):
you took a hiatus for 10 years.
Now you're back, and I thinkyou're in a everyone's in a good
place with the band, right? Likeyou guys all have your other
things, so it's not your mainsource of income. But that time
when you left, like, was it morejust kind of circumstantial,
like, to survive that you left?
It wasn't like you hated beingin a band and hated doing music.

Unknown (04:59):
No. It was exactly the opposite. I mean, I wasn't
really in a good place, to behonest with you. And when you're
in a band, you rely on the otherthree or four people in the band
to get up in the morning andshow up to work, so to speak,
right? And I couldn't rely onthat. There was one person that
I couldn't rely on and and Idecided that I would take, take

(05:23):
my, you know, take my life intomy own hands, and be responsible
for myself. So that's what Idid. And, you know, it wasn't
fun being in school and being inclass with a bunch of pocket
protectors dudes and, you know,and learning, learning it and
data, and all the everything Idid Microsoft certification, but

(05:45):
in the hind, in hindsight, itwas the it was probably one of
the best things I ever did,because one Jared, both Jerry
and Eric have told me you didn'tmiss anything while you were
gone. It was really dark for theband. And, you know, I got an
education and worked in privatebusiness for eight years, and
it's helped me today with what Ido today with pearl drums. I'm

(06:08):
hitting my 20 year mark withpearl in August, you know, and
it's a great bunch of people Iwork with at Pearl. They're some
of the best in the industry.
I've learned tons from guys thathave master's degrees in
economics and that have runbusinesses, and it's just it's
just a different world, having aday gig and working in business

(06:30):
and then being in a band. Butthis band has matured so much
over the last 20 years, just thethe we're still friends. We've
always been friends Steven andJerry and Eric and I, you know,
Eric and I have known each otherthe longest of anybody, really,
um, way before Warren, you know,a few years before Warren even

(06:52):
started. And, you know, nowRobert's been in the band longer
than Janie ever was, you know.
So I've been in a band longerwith him, but it's just, it's
like five grown ups going ontour, huh? You know, and
everybody's got it. Everybody'ssmart. There's no low IQ guys,
there's no there's no passiveaggressive. It's just all, if

(07:17):
there's a business decisionthat's got to be made in this
band, we sit down and we talkabout it like, like adults, and
everybody's got an opinion, andnine out of 10 times when we
roll out of a meeting,everybody's in a great mood.
Every once in you get, you get asituation where you might
disagree, but they're not. It'snot a negative thing, you know,

(07:38):
it's always learning. Everybodyalways learns. And everybody's
Great. Everybody's in a goodplace. Band's never been in a
better place. We've worked hard,man. I mean, I've been back in
the band 20 years now, 21 years.

Yeah, do you think that that is a better decision
to kind of make the band? It'skind of more like, basically,
like, what are they called now,the term is, like a side hustle,
right? Like, because you've gotyour main gig at Pearl, and then
you've got the band is kind oflike, it's not just a hobby
because you're making money, butit's a side hustle.

Unknown (08:08):
Well, Pearl has been around 80 years, next year, so
it's, you know, Pearl is aworldwide business, and I'm
really blessed that, you know, Itake it. I take it for granted.
Sometimes my education reallyhelped me out, to be honest with
you, knowing data and knowingknowing how to navigate Excel

(08:32):
spreadsheets and to, you know,to close to the advanced stage,
you know, and just knowing howto communicate with people
properly and and not, you know,not blow up and say the wrong
thing when you when you, youknow, get frustrated. There's
frustrations everywhere. Thebands taught me a lot of that.
But the band, the band is in agreat place. The band

(08:55):
financially is, is, you know,financially better now than we
were in the heyday. So sidehustle, to me would be like, is
it something where it's justkind of icing on the cake, and
the band is, is a viablebusiness, you know? Yeah, no.

(09:16):
It's, I mean, it 40 to 5040, to60 gigs a year. I mean, it's,
it's a, it's a very valuablebusiness, so, you

know, so for some of the members, is it their only
source of income? And they don'thave absolutely,

Unknown (09:29):
absolutely and a great source of income, yeah, you
know, well, into six figures foreverybody. And I don't want to
talk about money, it's notimportant. But warrant has
worked very, very, very, veryhard, and we've gotten to the
place now to where it's a greatbusiness, you know. And we're
going to keep on going, andwe've got some some things, you

(09:53):
know, up our sleeve. We'll seewhat we do this year, maybe
early next year, and it's allgood. That's

amazing. Amazing to hear. I love that, yeah, because
I think you have, you guys havemade it a good business plan,
because one of the things you dois you don't have the tour bus,
right? And you don't have therecord company on your back.
You're just doing shows andthey're flying dates. You don't
have all the equipment and allthe gear, or the crew and all
that, right? I mean, it's verybare bones for a lot

Unknown (10:19):
of that. We have five band members and four crew
members. One crew member handlesmerchandise, and that's a great
business for us on the road thatshows. And then we've got a
stage left tech, a stage righttech, and then a tour manager
that does front of house, ourstage left tech, KJ Does, does
Robert and I, and then he alsodoes our monitors. And then our

(10:41):
stage right tech does Jerry whenhe's out, which is once every
blue moon, pretty much Robbie,crane, Eric. And then he's
helped set up the drums. Andthen he runs. He plays keyboards
for like, Down boy, we forever.
We played those songs, and itwas just missing the down, you
know, the stuff you hear behindthem, like, there's, there's
chink, there's, you know,there's piano, and I saw red,

(11:03):
there's, there's the banjo, andUncle Tom's Cabin was played on
an emulator. It's not a banjo onthe record, and he plays that
stuff live. So that's James, andthen Kelly does front of house,
and we call him the tourmangler. He's a better Front of
House engineer than but we'vegot a very tight ship. We don't

(11:25):
use a tour bus. It's a waste ofmoney. And we fly in and out of
every gig, and we drive, I drovealmost five hours Saturday from
from of Farmington,Pennsylvania, all the way up to
Elmira to go play tags. Sothere's a band van that's got
five band guys in it, and thenthere's two crew bands with

(11:46):
gear. We take enough gear to getthrough a show and back lines on
the writer, and that's what wedo. Yeah,

no, that's perfect.
And then I think the other thingthat you're doing that a lot of
bands are doing is the meet andgreet thing. I mean, that's got
to be a big chunk of changethere, because I think there's
like, $100 one that's kind ofthe bare bones. And then there's
the $200 one that where you getthis, the custom skateboard. I
mean, it's a lot of cool stuffin there. You get, like, a bunch
of merch with a two sign glossyand, like, guitar picks, I
think. And, yeah,

Unknown (12:16):
it's cool. I mean, I'd say 9.9 out of 10 people have a
good time. You get to come in,you get to say hi to the band.
You get a picture. We hang outwhile we sign something for you,
you know. And and then that'sit, you know. And we, sometimes
there's 20 people, sometimesthere's four people. It's, it's
an opportunity there foreverybody. It's just another,

(12:38):
it's just another, you know,opportunity for income for the
band. Because basically, youknow, we make money touring.
That's how the band makes money,you know. I mean, we haven't had
a proper record deal since SonyColumbia, from my perspective,
and we still have catalog withthem, and we're, we're square

(12:59):
with them. So there's all kindsof different revenue streams,
but as far as business isconcerned, I'm really proud to
say that this business isviable. The guys that that
manage the portion of thebusiness that's the money do a
great job and no complaints, youknow. And I'm coming from you
know, a guy that's worked forPearl, which is a huge company

(13:23):
worldwide, you know, and I'mright under that executive level
at senior sales, and I knowenough to get in trouble. But
seeing how a major corporationlike Pearl works, and seeing how
warrant works, warrants runpretty well, no drama. There's
no drama. There's no infighting,there's no low IQ band members.

(13:45):
Do you know what I mean? There'sjust no people.

Was it? Was there ones in the past or in other
bands or something, or there's,

Unknown (13:52):
there's low, a lot of low IQ musicians out there?
Yeah, yeah, it's unfortunate.
They probably don't think theyare. But I'd love to, I'd love
to give everybody an IQ test inthe industry, they think, they
think, you know, they've got theegos because they've sold
records, but just because you'vesold records and you're
successful doesn't mean you'resmart. I know a lot of rich
people that aren't smart. Youknow, there's a difference, and

(14:16):
it is what it is, you know, iswhat it is.

No, I mean, because you, besides, you know, you're
obviously the band, the bandsthat you've been in, and your
band members, you guys havetoured with so many. I mean,
you've done shows with almostevery band, although I was, I
think I tried to figure out, hadyou ever done a show with AC DC,
and I don't think you have.

Unknown (14:40):
No, I would have loved to do that, but no, I mean, I've
seen them millions of times, andI never saw him with bond, Eric,
someone with bond. Eric saw thehighway to hell to her. Wow. The
first one I saw was back inblack, but yeah, just, you know,
one of the all time greats. Youknow, I've never, we've never. I

(15:00):
played with Van Halen.

Um, oh, I thought, well, you did what David Lee
Roth shows, right? Yeah.

Unknown (15:05):
But that's neat. You know, it was neat, Edward. I
mean, if we played with VanHalen, I would have been sitting
on Edward's side, like, youknow, like a groupie. I mean,
you know, it's one of myfavorite guitar players of all
time, so a lot of guys from myera, but, yeah, never played
with Van Halen, but that showswith Dave. Saw Dave's last show
at him three.

(15:27):
How was ita plus plus plus plus? Okay,
here's the thing. I mean, Idon't often go online and read
reviews, but I wanted to seewhat people thought of Dave.

Yeah, I saw mixed I saw people either said a plus or
was terrible. They walked out ofthe show so bad, that's what.

Unknown (15:47):
I don't know, what the people that walked out of the
show expected. I swear I saw VanHalen on their second worldwide
tour. It was 1979 maybe, or 1980I don't know which year, but it
was the second record. It was atthe LA sports arena, and Dave is
70. I know Dave enough to, youknow, to say hi and have a

(16:11):
conversation tour with Dave.
Hung out with Dave and a few ona few occasions, and I thought
the band was fantastic.
Fantabulous. Is that a word? Itis now, Al i Al, the guitar
player, killer, killer. Mean,look, have the great tone

(16:35):
played? Eddie's licks, great.
The backup guys were fantastic.
The set list was insane. I don'tknow what people were expecting.
You know, you mean, he's notDavid. Of of you know, 19 7919
8070, years old. People don'tunderstand how hard it is to

(16:56):
keep your instrument as asinger. Well, for that long, you
know, guitar players, all wehave to worry about is, you
know, split calluses, or if youget old, you can get arthritis,
you know. So you you just, youknow, you try to take care of
it. But as a singer, and I singin our band, you know, but just

(17:18):
backgrounds, but I really envy,like the singers that have
really kept it together. AMickey Hart, um, you know, is
one of them, he can still nailthose notes. You know, it's not
an easy thing to do for thoseguys.

Yeah? Steven Tyler's the one that I couldn't
believe that he because thoseare some really hard notes to
hit,

Unknown (17:39):
yeah? I mean, you know, it's, you know. And if you
watch, like, stuff of GeneSimmons, he, you know, even
though he's got a very uniquevoice, he's still nailing it,
you know, you see people likeJon, Bon Jovi can't do it
anymore. You know, I don't knowif he had a bad surgery or what.
Paul Stanley had some hard time,you know? And it's

(18:04):
understandable. I mean, it's nota you're not relying on an
instrument. It's right, it'sright. Here. Do you know what I
mean, those guys know how tosing, but if this isn't in good
shape and doesn't show up,you're out of the game, you
know, I mean, Robert Mason is,we're all I'm 61 in a few weeks.

(18:26):
Man, you just get older, youknow. So to see people not like
the Dave thing, it really makesme feel sorry for those people,
because they just, I don't knowwhat they were expecting, you
know, right? Well, I think

that was the thing, as a lot of people said, he's
never been like a amazingsinger. His His thing was all
like his shtick and his he was afront man. He's an amazing front
man. He's still moving anddancing around and stuff. But, I
mean, he struggles a little bitwith the notes. Yeah, that's
understandable for his age.

Unknown (19:00):
You know, nobody's, nobody's in their 20s anymore.
He did fantastic and and theband was fantastic. And I would
go, I would pay to go see itagain. And I don't do that that
often. I don't go out, but Iwould pay to go see David again.

You typically would get a free ticket to a lot of
these shows, right? You have aconnection or somebody,

Unknown (19:23):
I don't, yeah, I don't ask if I want, if I want to go
to a show, I'll hit somebody andsay, Hey, I'd like to buy
tickets to come to your show. Ialways offer, because it's a
business, sure, and, and, youknow, I live in Los in basically
Southern California, OrangeCounty. I don't want to take
some money out of somebody'spocket. It's not That's not who
I am, so I'll offer. And if theysay, hey, we'll got you covered.

(19:46):
Are you sure? You know, I'm notasking for that, you know, but
if they want to do that, that'sokay. But I don't ever ask that.
I need to get on your guestlist. I don't do that because I
don't appreciate it when peopledo do it to us and be honest
with you. You. Uh, nine out of10 shows for us, our guest list
is empty because we just don't,you know, when I play in Des

(20:07):
Moines, Iowa, I don't know a lotof people from Des Moines, Iowa,
you know what I mean? Yeah, Imean, no,

I feel the same way. I don't. I feel weird
asking that, and I'veinterviewed a lot of musicians,
but I'm like, why am I it justit doesn't feel like because
then it's awkward. If they sayno too, then you're like, oh,
sometimes you

Unknown (20:26):
don't have sometimes you deal with the promoter is
that you only get 10 guests, youknow? And if people

offer, I will take up the offer. I've had some
people, very nice. But

Unknown (20:36):
if somebody calls up and says, Hey, I'm coming to
your show, and I look at theguest list, and we've got 20
spots, and there's one on it,I'd say, Hey, do you need a few
tickets? And, you know, or ifyou go, Hey, I bought some
tickets, I'll say, Hey, here's,here's some passes. We'll see
after the show. And, you know,it's different, but it's a
business, you know, and yougotta, you gotta really respect

(20:57):
the promoters too, because, youknow, it's their money as well,
right? Yeah, I was

trying to remember who I had on that was telling me
so a lot of bands get takenadvantage with stuff like that.
Like, people kind of rememberwho it was. I feel like, with
somebody in the Motley Crew campthat said people would show up
and like, and then they wouldexpect like, not only to get
like, backstage or to go to theshow, but they expected to get
free merch. They're like, Okay,what I want? Like, a t shirt. I

(21:22):
want this. And it's like, whoa.
Like, you're really takingadvantage, bro. I

Unknown (21:26):
don't know very many people like that. If we have
somebody like that, they'reonly, they only, we only see him
at one show, and then we'llnever see him again. How's that,

right? Yeah, I know that's crazy, but there's
probably a lot of bands that aretrying to be nice. And I mean,
wasn't that the thing like withthe MC Hammer behind the music
that, you know, he just tried tohelp too many of his friends,
and that's why he went bankrupt.
I

Unknown (21:46):
think that that guy probably had a really good
heart. I never met him. Heprobably had a really good heart
and got taken advantage of froma bunch of people that did not
and it's unfortunate, you know,right? I work, I work really
hard with the band and Pearl, Iprobably do average 70 hours a
week, you know, when we'retouring, which is a lot, and

(22:08):
sometimes, you know, 2030, dayson so, you know. And I've got a
family, so I want to take careof my family, you know, I'm,
I'm, when there's an opportunityto do something for charity, we
step right up all the time, youknow. So you gotta, it's part
of, it's, it's yourresponsibility, if you're, if
you're doing well. But as far asentitlement goes, and people

(22:30):
that are entitled to things, thepeople are entitled they're
gonna be waiting for a longtime, because there's, there's
not a lot of gifts, you know,get, get over it. You know,
nobody, nobody's gonna help you,man, the sooner you realize that
you're the only one that's goingto help you is yourself, the
better off you are.

No, that's, that's so spot. I don't know if you're
a fan of David Goggins, but Ijust love that guy and and
that's his message. And he had ashit life, he had a shit
childhood, and he figured out,lost weight joint, you know,
join the Navy Seals and like.
And you know, now he's gonna andthe answer, he'll tell you. He's
like, look, no one's coming tosave you. You got to figure it
out. So he's like, even I can'tsave you,

Unknown (23:11):
yeah, yeah. And another thing, it's like, I've been
through enough therapy in mylife. There's that. There's the
old, the old, you know, NASCAR,the NASCAR circuit of life,
you're always taking a leftturn. So you're going in circles
and circles and circles. And ifsomething's not going good in
your life, or you want to changesomething, you've got to take a
right turn and get off thattrack sometime and just disrupt

(23:33):
the norm. You know what? I mean?
Yeah. So, uh, was that kind oflike

when you left the band the first time? That's kind
of what it was, because, like,that always just

Unknown (23:42):
right turn, yeah, it's just like, was there was a part

of you though that was sad to give up the glamor
and the dream? Like, did youfeel like your dream was dying
and now you've got to go get areal job and all I mean, was
there? There had to been somesadness and some loss.

Unknown (23:56):
There was definitely loss, because it wasn't hanging
out with my buddies like I was,you know. And those
relationships to this day are,are treasured, you know, I love,
I love my my guys in my bandwere like brothers, you know. So
there was the loss. Was neverabout what. What happened for me
is it became about money. Andwhen you do anything solely for

(24:20):
money. It's it's soulless thathas no purpose. You know,
money's fine. Having money isbetter than not having money,
for sure, but doing somethingjust for money is soulless. You
have to have a purpose. You haveto that's what drives you. Why
do you get up every morning? Youget up every morning just
because you're dying to get up.
Or you get up every morningbecause you're excited about

(24:42):
what the day is going to sendyou. You know, if it's if it's
something from a band, if it'ssomething from Pearl, if it's
some challenge at Pearl, that'sthat I didn't have yesterday. If
my vice president tells me who Italk to every day of the week,
you know, I want you to do thisand this and this and this. And
he put. You know, he puts somepressure on me to get something
done in a timeline. That's whatmakes me tick. And if I don't,

(25:05):
if I don't have that, I couldget in trouble, because I, you
know, I'm a little mischievous,you know? I mean, I haven't, I
just recently, and I don't talkabout it, and I don't want to
talk about it, but I haven'tdrank in almost two years, no
alcohol, and I don't I'm not aguy that publicizes it online.
Oh, I got a month. I got twomonths. I tell my band guys, and

(25:27):
I tell my wife, and that's it,you know. And I'm proud of it,
and I feel great. And it's madea lot of difference in my life,
not that I ever had a badproblem, but when I drank, I was
really good at it, you know,really sure. Well,

yeah. And I think the older and, I mean, I have
these conversations with a lotof musicians, and it's a similar
path, whether they had a problemor not, but yeah, I mean, just
the older you get, you've got tolike, yeah. I

Unknown (25:57):
mean playing the band, because Robert's sober, I'm
sober. Nobody really drinks alot in this band anymore, and
the band sounds way betterbecause of it, go figure. And
and, you know, we're payingattention. We're jamming before
every show. We're backstage,playing half a dozen songs and
maybe dialing in on one songvocally, where we work on the

(26:19):
harmonies, you know, 30 minutesbefore we go on, we're back
there doing that. So it's just,you know, where we used to just
be partying and having fun,right? So now it's, it's, it's,
you know, and this has happenedin the last three or four years.
The band's really just changedcourse for the better, you know,

that's good to hear. So do you think that now
that you've been able to dothat, and you're more serious.
Do you think that you would adddifferent songs to the set list
that maybe before you're like,ah, that one's like, a little
too complicated. This

Unknown (26:48):
one we've got riding Heisman in the set this year.
I'm the guy. I'm the I'm theQuasimodo music director for
Warren. So right bonfires in theset this year. Oh, I love that
song. Um, so there's there, youknow, we're thinking about
putting in quicksand or, youknow, so we, we like to mix it
up and but there's certain songseverybody wants to hear, you

(27:11):
know? I mean, sure, of course,yeah, I can tell you that we've
done every song off the firsttwo records in the last five
years, except for one in thesticks. We've never played that
live, for a long time. Why? Idon't know. That's a good
question. Maybe we should dig itup. It's always fun, yeah,

(27:32):
because it's challenging,because we haven't played it in,
you know, decades. So we'll see,you know. And then there's some
off, like, off of, louder,harder, faster, you know, Devil
dancers, phenomenal or or onlybroken hurt. We played that
live, you know, for a while. Sothere's stuff, you know. What

about the songs off born again? Because, I mean,
that's, I know it was adifferent singer that

Unknown (27:58):
record. I like that record musically, I think some
of the lyric contents a littlequestionable, just because the
stuff we did on the first threerecords, Janie was such a
wordsmith, right? And then, youknow? But I like that. I like
that record. I really do.
There's some great grooves onthat record, but I don't think
live, you know, it's like one ofthose records that just nobody,

(28:21):
unless you're a hardcore fan,nobody knows

I'm a hardcore fan.
Yeah, I was also gonna say,like, the ones, the two that you
were not there for, uh,ultraphobic and belly to belly.
Like, did you have you everperformed any of those songs
since you rejoined?

Unknown (28:39):
No, I haven't. I think I heard, I think Eric sent me
one of those records, and Ilistened to it once, but I
haven't. I if I've listened tothose records, it hasn't been
more than once. So

like, when that came out, you had left the band,
you didn't, they didn't send youa copy, or you didn't go to the
record store, because that'slike, kind of like seeing your
ex girlfriend with a newboyfriend or something,

Unknown (29:01):
right? No, it's not really a big deal when you leave
something like that. I didn'tleave on bad terms. I just left
because I couldn't count on itbeing a viable business at the
time. Sure, because what youwere

curious about, like, what the new record sound
of? I mean, I knew you'd heardsome of those songs, like
stronger now and stuff had beenaround, but,

Unknown (29:19):
yeah, but I mean, it's some of those I demoed and then
they changed, you know. So Iheard, I heard both records at
least once, and that was it, youknow. So playing any of that
live, I don't even sign thoserecords. If somebody brings a
record to a venue and wants meto sign it and I'm not on it, I
will absolutely not sign it. Ithink it's, I think it's a kind

(29:42):
of a slight at the people whodid record, you know. So it's
like an our meet and greets.
People come with cherry pie, andRobbie crane will not sign any,
any of those. And Robert's like,I'll sign it if you want me to,
you know. But I did not play onthis. Mm. You know, and it just
depends on what the people want.

(30:02):
If the people want you to signit, you're saying it so, but
Robbie won't, and that's, that'sokay, you know, Robbie. Robbie's
been playing in this band forfood since COVID came back,
right? So let's just say weaverage 50 gigs since 2021
that's 2020 2122 2324 24 that'sfive years. So Robbie's done 250

(30:25):
shows with us, you know, maybeJerry's done maybe 10 in there,
you know, but Jerry's semiretired, and Robbie's happy, and
Robbie's great, you know, Imean, when Jerry comes back and
plays, it's Jerry, then you gotfour, you got the core of the
band together, right? Sure, butRobbie is the closest Damn I

(30:47):
mean, I don't have to turnaround and wonder what's going
on. Robbie's there, you know,and he injected some new energy
in the band because, you know,he's got a different work ethic
when it comes to practicing andthings like that, that you get
stale of you, you, yeah, you'replaying the same songs for 35
years. You're like, I don't needto practice that. I played it

(31:08):
forever. But when you do, youget better, just like anything,
you know? Yeah, I was alwayscurious,

though, because I remember seeing Robbie crane,
like, I think it was a pictureor video or something. And I was
like, Wait, is Jerry still inthe band? I was so confused,
like, how come you guys didn'tput out a press release? Because
now I get it, he's, Jerry istechnically still the bass
player Robbie's. Robbie's kindof more like a substitute, but
he's kind of like, pretty muchthe long term substitute, right?

Unknown (31:37):
I mean, he's, he's our touring bass player. How's that?
Okay? There? Yeah, that's fair.
And, and, and I love him like abrother. And we're, we're, we're
lucky to have him, and he likesit because there's no, there's
zero drama. There's zero dramain my band. There's no, I can't
remember when the last you know,bet you know, like anything

(31:59):
argument or anything happen inWarren, it doesn't happen. Our
crew is fantastic. We when weroll into a venue, be it, you
know, a theater or a casino orwhatever, we tell everybody, Hi,
we're all in great moods. Mean,we're like, Hey, how's it going?
We think everybody that works,you know, on the on the road

(32:21):
crew, the local crew, we thinkeverybody, and we're, you know,
really, that's what makes ithappen. And we roll in there, we
do our gig, we roll out. There'sno drama, there's no bullshit.
Nobody breaks anything. Nobody,you know, we used to, you know,
we used to have food fights andstupid shit that young guys do.
But that's slowly, you know,gone away, you know, and now

(32:42):
we're just glad to be there andwe're having fun. And, you know,
it's important for everybody tohave a good time at a show, even
the opening bands. We don'trestrict opening bands for
lights or sound or we're not aband that does a, you know, an
hour long sound check. We don'twe do two or three songs
meetings, and we get out and wegive the other bands a shot. You

(33:04):
know, we've done some shows thisyear with Lita Ford, which is
fantastic. We've done shows withfirehouse, fantastic. Nate's
doing a great job. You know, welost CJ, which is horrible, and
we all miss him, and still say alot of great stories about him
when we're in the dressing room,um, bullet boys, or, you know,

(33:24):
lonnie's back in the band. Sothey got two out of four, and
they're great right now. Youknow, they're in a good,

oh yeah, I saw them down here in Arizona. They and
they sounded really good. And Iwas like two inches from them,
like I could just get right upto it was nice, yeah.

Unknown (33:44):
So we like doing shows with them. You know, me leave
seal hearts. Great. You know,whoever, whoever's from our
genre, would love it. You know,yeah,

when you do shows with Lita, who's the headliner,
because you both have a lot ofgood hits.

Unknown (34:02):
So when she came back out, she had lined for a while,
and then it flip flopped. Sothat's a promoters call that is
not so you know, to be honestwith you, I like to be second on
the bill, because you're youplay an hour set, and you're out
of there, back in your hotelroom by 10, chilling, and you
get sleep. You know, it's noteasy out on the road, you it's a

(34:24):
lot of, you know, two or threehours of sleep, and then you
have to get up at 5am to go tothe airport, to go to the next
gig. It's, it's not someglamorous thing, you know, but,
yeah, whatever, whatever works.
But we could, like the othernight in tags, in, uh, big
flats, New York. We we Litaplayed for an hour. The D Snyder

(34:44):
came up and played with her bandfor a half hour, and then we
closed the show with an hour and15 minutes.

Yeah, no, D Snyder, you talk about a guy who could
still hit the notes? That'sanother one I've seen. Mean,
like, he killed it when I sawand he only does like, two
songs, two or three songs a lotof times, but, yeah, kills it

Unknown (35:06):
every time I see him.
I'm like, put a band backtogether, and everybody wants to
see and he just doesn't want todo, do that big thing. And he
comes out and he does, he nailsit. He's fantastic. And he's a
great guy, you know? So, yeah,it's it. It doesn't matter to
us. We're not like we're theband that gets on we go on on
time. We get off on time period.

(35:32):
We don't, we don't take it. Wedon't take advantage of anybody
else's time. We don't takeadvantage of a venue's time,
anything. We just like, come in,do our job and split. That's it.

Yeah, you say that.
And you say, you You keep sayingthere's no drama. Like, you're
saying that, like there is inother bands. Like, that's a very
common thing, and not in war,but in other bands, there's a
lot of these problems. I

Unknown (35:53):
know, I know, personally, a lot of other bands
that have massive drama still,and the dudes are like, 50s and
60s. It's like, at some pointyou just have to go, you know
what? I don't subscribe to thatbullshit, you know. And it comes
along with IQ. Is

it IQ, or is it ego, or both? I think

Unknown (36:14):
it's IQ. I think that people that are smart don't
subscribe to that and that theyknow how to communicate with
other adults effectively andreasonably without screaming or
throwing a temper tantrum at 60some odd years old. Okay, and I
know that,

have you seen this?
We witnessed these tantrums. Oh,

Unknown (36:35):
my God, I I wish I could tell you who? Oh, I want
to, but I'm not. I can't I'mnot. I'm not that guy. Okay, you
know, that's a very classy moveon your part. I'm not going to
talk shit. I'm going to tell youthat I know a lot of bands that
subscribe to our way of life,which I know. I know I've been
around every time we play aroundthe Tesla guys, they're
fantastic. I've never seen astitch of drama in that band.

(36:57):
That's

funny, because I had on the bass player and he
was saying, like they, I mean,they must have cleaned up now,
because they used to have, hesaid they used to have physical
knockdown fights. He said they'dcall them discussions, but they
would get physical. It wasarguing about every band.

Unknown (37:13):
When you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s, you grow,
but I'm sure those guys by noware just like you get to a point
in your career where you'reyou're playing. You love to
play. That's why you do. Yeah,okay, you love the songs you
love to play. You want to getbetter. You want to like right
now, what I want to do is I wantit to make a sound as much like

(37:34):
a record as I can. Okay, everysingle note, every single note I
sing, every single note I play,you know? And playing with
people for 30 plus years, youkind of become one unit. You
know what I mean? You know yougot, you got the five. I've done
this so many times. You get thefive fingertips, and then you
put it together. It makes afist, right? That's a band. This

(37:56):
is the five members. That's aband. And when you play for so
long, and the same songs for solong, no matter who you are, if
you've had hits, you got to playthose hits sooner or later,
chuck you get really good atthat, sure you know and and
sooner or later, you know thedrama that comes along with some
of it. You just get tired of it.
And the guys that that can't getit out of their own head, you

(38:19):
see them not in bands anymore.
You don't see them invited backto do tours or reunions. You see
different guys come in so youcan put one on one together and
figure out who the dudes are outthere that are drama filled and
that just can't cohabitate withother band members. You know,

(38:39):
the night Ranger guys, anotherband that's just full of fun. I
don't see any when we put it,there's no drama. They're just
stoked to be there and they kickass, you know. And they're happy
guys. So that's it's really init translates to the stage, you
know?

Yeah. Do you think sometimes with the drama stuff,
and you say the low IQ, do youthink sometimes it's a person
that maybe they never reallyshould have been successful, but
they kind of hitch their wagonto somebody who was who was
talented, and then so nowthey're kind of stuck with these
people.

Unknown (39:17):
I think that all of the guys I grew up on all the bands
I grew up with, probably a lotof the bands you like to I think
that those original incarnationsthat were successful were
successful because of the whole,you know, not one or two guys
and, um, and when you start tosplinter that and get different

(39:37):
guys in there, it's different,and it Doesn't sound the same no
matter what you do. So I don'tthink so. I think that they
just, you know, the guys thatmaybe are low IQ as far as
business is concerned, or how todeal with other people, are
better musicians than people.
How's that?

Sure? No, that's that's the same as like act.
Actors and athletes and all thea lot of those people that are
successful business people thatare, I mean, they're just
assholes in real life, you know,like it in turn, like you see
their social media posts orwhatever, but they're very
successful in business. Yeah,

Unknown (40:15):
I like to hang out with successful, positive

people. There you go. That's I love that too.
Yeah, yeah.

Unknown (40:21):
And it breeds, it reads that. And I try to do that every
day with my family. I just wanteverybody to wait. You got to
wake up happy, you know? I mean,if you wake up breathing, you're
stoked, that's all you got,right? And then anything else
that comes around, take it. Ifyou get an opportunity. Oh, my
God, take it. You know, I've hadopportunity, and I've had no

(40:43):
opportunity and opportunitiesway better. Did

you ever have opportunities outside of
warrant, like when you were onthe hiatus? Did you get offered
gigs that join other bands? If

Unknown (40:55):
I kept playing and kept up on my craft, guitar wise,
when I left warrant, I probablycould have found a gig, you
know, because you get good whenyou play a lot. And you know,
there's different for a guitarplayer, not necessarily flashy,
but, you know, rhythms hard toplay for a lot of guys, having a
good right hand on a guitar.
There's some guys that don't,you know, and they're great lead

(41:17):
players, but they can't playrhythm real well. There's,
there's, you know, so I'm prettybalanced, but I didn't really
worry about it, and, and, and tobe honest with you, when the
when, when it started, when itcaught to the to the top, and
started to go down, down theroller coaster in the in the mid
90s, and I left, it was justnatural for me, progression, to

(41:39):
go on and just to worry aboutmyself. I had a young daughter,
I had to really kind of reinventmyself. And, you know, it wasn't
easy watching my buddies out onthe road, you know, and sure I
missed them, and sure it suckedbeing in school, you know, until
nine o'clock at night and havinga study for a test, but it made

(42:00):
me who I am now, and it made meappreciate my band a lot more as
well. You know, when it cameback around, and we've worked
since I came back in in 2004it's been 21 years, we've worked
really hard, collectively to getit to where it is, you know? And
it's great, you know, we'rehaving a great tune. We all get

(42:21):
along fabulously. Yeah,

I love it. And yeah, you are doing a lot of
shows. I think there's still,like 16 shows coming up this
year. We have

Unknown (42:33):
22 booked right now, so there's a few that might, you
might not see because theyhaven't gone on sale. But yeah,
so between 45 and 55 shows ayear. You know, some of us would
like to do 75 you know, um, it'dbe a lot of work for me. So I
might, it. Might, you know, Iget a little stretchy, you know,

(42:53):
like that Stretch Armstrong,where I get my legs getting
pulled out, you know, got familyover here, you got Pearl over
here, you got the band overhere, you know, but, um, but it
keeps you out of troubleworking. That's another thing
too. And more you work, the lessmoney you spend, you know, you
don't have time to spend it. Soyou can do things like let your
family live well and enjoy someof that stuff. So it's, you

(43:15):
know, it's just, I'm really,really, really blessed to be
where I'm at, but it's also beenwith a lot of really hard work.

Yeah, no, for sure, I think that that goes without
saying just what you did, and Ilike what you said about how you
appreciate it more having thathiatus, I think that that's
something that they write.
There's a lot of people thatjust feel entitled now that
they've they deserve thiscertain level of, you know,
success or whatever, they thatthey're kicked out of their
bands because they're assholes.

Unknown (43:45):
You said it. I mean, that's pretty much it, bro. If
you're a cool dude and you're anoriginal member in a band and
you're not in the band, checkyour shit quite honestly. You
know, yeah, you at a certainpoint, you know? And look, I've
got a young, a young son, okay?
And, and he's 13, so he's like,he's like, every other 13 year

(44:09):
old. He's doing shit I did whenI was 13 that I thought was
fine, but my parents probablydidn't appreciate it much, like
I don't appreciate some of thestuff he does now, either, but
one thing I'm trying to teachhim to do is take
responsibility. Okay? And if youdo something that's not cool,
take responsibility. Thatdoesn't mean you're a bad kid or

(44:30):
it just means that you have toown up to your own shit, and the
quicker you own up to your ownshit, the better a person you
become. You know, don't blame iton somebody else. Don't say the
reason why I'm not in this bandright now is because this guy
doesn't like me. He doesn't likeyou for a reason, probably
because you're an asshole, youknow, and you're not fun to be

(44:51):
around. That's probably why it'sprobably not your playing if
you're an original member and.
You're not in your band,touring. It's not your playing,
because that magic is real.
That's part of that glove, youknow, that glove that makes that
fist. But if you're not there,there's a reason why check your

(45:11):
shit, you know, go get sometherapy, figure it out, do a
deep dive on yourself. It'seducational. It's not bad to get
an education from somebodythat's done a master's degree or
a PhD and how your mind worksand how you treat other people.
It's just education.
Responsibility. Be responsible.
That's it.

Did you? Did you do some of that yourself? Like
that? You did your own therapy,yeah? Like, or just work on
yourself, like you lookreflected back and felt like you
maybe made some bad decisions.
Or

Unknown (45:46):
I go to the rapist, as I call her, the therapist.
Careful, canceled now, shit.
Nobody cancel the therapist.
Yeah, the rapist. Okay, theyrape your mind. You know, I go
right now, but I've been plenty,you know, it's education, man,
it's just like going to school.
Why do I feel like this? Why?

(46:09):
Why am I pissed off every time Iget around this person and I
just punch him in the face? Youknow?

No, I find all that stuff. I actually, I have a
Master's in Counseling, so Ilove psychology, and I love all
that stuff. There

Unknown (46:22):
you go. There you go, responsibility. There you go.
It's, it's, you know, and youget, it's just like going, it's
like going to a mechanic andsaying, What's wrong with my
car? And the mechanic finds theproblem and shows you what the
problem is. You get aneducation. You go, Oh, that's
cool. Next time that happens, orI hear that sound, maybe I can
fix it, you know, it's the sameanalogy, you know. So whenever I

(46:46):
get a feeling that I know I'mgoing to blow up and start going
off, you know, I think first,you know, I've got all kinds of
rules, like, if something makesyou that agitated, wait an hour,
put it away for an hour and seeif it bugs you in an hour, it
ain't gonna bug you in an hour.
You know, don't pop off. Becool. Be a bro. Be a good

(47:07):
friend, be a good listener, be agood business partner. It has to
do with all that, so, yeah, man,

yeah, no, I think that's a it can be very
beneficial. It's funny, becauseI feel like I've learned more
from just watching podcasts andYouTube and so listening to
David Goggins and andmotivational guys like that, I
learned so much that I neverlearned in school. I was like,
Oh, wow, that's such a greatperspective to have. From that
perspective,

Unknown (47:36):
is everything, and those, some of those guys out
there are very motivational, youknow, you got to watch out
there's, there's some snake,snake oil salesman out there,
you know, you don't want to, youdon't want to buy on to that
shit. But as far as emotions andhow to manage your, you know,
your, your emotional being is,is, it's a nerd form, for sure.

(47:57):
And some of these guys havereally got a hold of it, you
know. And it's, it's cool. And Ilearned, look, I learn and read
stuff every day that teaches mesomething, you know. And I
still, 20% of the time, I'mstill an asshole, you know,
everybody's, everybody's got it,sure. You just try to minimize

(48:19):
that as much as you can, youknow. And perspective is a very
powerful thing, you know. It'slike being in a band, you know.
I could say I'm not happy withthe direction of this band, you
know. Or I could say, wow, lookat everything we've done and and
how, you know, how lucky are we,or Fortunate are we to be where

(48:44):
we're at? You know, to playing,to playing these little, you
know, these, these little minitheaters and theaters and many
arenas and many amphitheatersand casinos and state fairs that
we do, and we're still together,and we're still alive, and
people still want to come out.
There's a few 1000 people hereand there. It's like, We're
stoked, you know, we never madeit to the big, you know, the

(49:06):
big, you know, arena band allthe time thing, you know, we got
a taste of it after cherry piefor a while. And that was, that
was great. But really, you know,what's great is that there's
still people that want to comeout and hear it, and we owe it
to them, to be honest, and givethem a good show. You know,

yeah, I've seen you guys several times, and it's,
it's always been great. That's

Unknown (49:32):
good. Well, then you haven't seen any of the shitty
show. There's been some. Youknow, every band has a man,
sure, every band has them, youknow, but, yeah, but it's just
lace recently, especially in thelast four or five years, it's
just stepped up, you know, toanother level playing wise. I

(49:53):
mean, I, you know, we could gointo bands that played a tape
live, and I could name bands andshred them apart and tell them
that they. Should not be onstage anymore playing here. This
is I've been thinking about areally good way to say this.
Okay, because I have dogs. Idon't know if you have dog. You
have got any animals?

Yeah, I've got cats, and they're struggling
with no AC, by the way. I'm

Unknown (50:14):
sorry, yeah, sorry.
Make sure they got plenty ofwater, right? Yeah. So, so, um,
so this is what, you know, I gota, I got a male dog and a female
dog. Well, they're bothneutered. They're, you know, I
take care of my pets. They'rechihuahuas, okay, okay.

Those are, yeah, those are, they have a certain
personality, yeah, I

Unknown (50:32):
love them. They're great, okay? But sometimes the
male who's neutered will, willgrab a blanket, you know, and go
at it. He'll like dry hump ablanket. Okay? And having a band
that is once been so powerfullive, 110% live, played a tape,

(50:55):
or any help, or a G, you know, aMac in the back that's got 96
tracks on it, and you don't hearthem, because the engineer out
front is really good atblending, but it's still there,
okay? And they're playing,they're playing, they're they're
fucking lip syncing and playingthe track. Okay? They might be
playing live too on top of it,but it's like watching a

(51:18):
neutered dog dry hump a blanket.
Okay, okay, that's how I feelabout it. It's just like it's
fake. It's like there's nothere's nothing there and, and I
know bands that do it, I couldtear them apart right now and
just draw in. Maybe somebodypicks up on this, you know, on
this. But I don't want to benegative, like we've talked

(51:40):
about keeping it positive. But Iwould just say to those bands,
and they know who they are, thatall you have to do is practice
and you'll get good, becausethere's a re if you've lost,
fallen off your horse and youcan't sing anymore, then you
drink. Stop drinking for a year.

(52:05):
Work on your voice. You know, Iwas at Phil Collin from Def
Leppard house with Cecil CCDeville and I went down last
two, two Decembers ago, to havea coffee with Phil. We all live
kind of close. We're all friendsand, you know, and it was, like,
it was like three dudes talkingabout, you know, which is funny,
right? But we started talkingabout our singers, you know. And

(52:30):
Phil told me that Joe Elliot,when they're on tour, practices
like six to eight hours a day towarm his voice up. Now, wow, I
gotta take my hat off to JoeElliot, because that tells you a
guy that cares about what he'sdoing. Yeah, and we, because
I've seen Joe, do I saw Joe inthe beginning, a huge Def

(52:51):
Leppard fan. Then I worked atJackson Charville. So I met, I
met Phil because he's a Jacksonplays Jackson guitars. This is
back in the 80s. And I met, youknow, I hung out with Phil and
Steve back in you know SteveClark and but Phil and I have
known each other 30 plus years,and to hear him tell me that his
singer cares enough that heworks that hard to sound good

(53:11):
for people is so motivating tome, and it makes me want to hug
Joe Elliot, because That'sThat's discipline me and every
guy that's out there that doesthis, that's of age, like me,
that's what it takes. You know,especially these singers. It's
not like I said earlier. It isnot easy. Robert Mason, that guy

(53:34):
takes care of his body like noother guy I know. You know the
guy looks like he's 20. Youknow, when he takes his shirt
off, he's in such great shape,and he doesn't drink, he doesn't
smoke, he doesn't do drugs, hebrushes his teeth two minutes
before we go on, because ithelps his mouth. You know, I'm
over there, like burping uponions from, you know, from

(53:56):
lunch. It's funny, but to seeguys take it seriously like
that. That's off to a man, andthe guys that played a tape, you
know, come on.

Well, so what did CC say about Brett? Because I've
seen him a few times, and Imean, he sounds great too. And I
think when I saw the poison DefLeppard crew tour, everyone was
saying that poison stole theshow, and I it was hard to
disagree with that, because theydid sound really good.

Unknown (54:25):
Here's the deal with poison and Brent, because we've
done shows with Brett. Brett's afantastic front man, and Brett
knows how to run a crowd,period. He's learned from the
best. I think that that backwhen they were in Pennsylvania,
they probably borrowed a littlebit from from kicks, to be

(54:47):
honest with you. And Stevie fromkicks was what was, you know, I
know he's retired now, but oneof the best front man I've ever
seen in our genre, just like theMick Jagger, of, of, of, you
know what we. Did. That's Stevieand and a lot of dudes borrowed
from the guy, you know, Brettdid. And then Brett's got his
own personality as well, andhe's really good at what he

(55:10):
does, you know. And then,because they don't tour that
much, by the time they get out,I think they're so fucking
excited to play the band'sgreat, you know, I know CC works
his ass off before. He doesn'thave a bad thing to see. The
only thing he wishes is that hewished they played, you know,
and that they that, that theypoison play. Because he tells me

(55:32):
that, you know, they're playingthe same songs that he helped
write, you know, or wrote andand he just like to get out
there and do that himself, withhis with his band. I think, you
know, I don't want to put wordsin his mouth, because, you know
it's not what it's about, but Iknow that he would love to, love
to do a tour with poison. I'msure they'll work it out sooner

(55:53):
or later.

Yeah, I know, I think the Brett was going
through some stuff, but I thinkthey're planning for 2026 if I'm
not mistaken, I believe, I thinkthey even announced it or so. I
don't know if I don't know if Ihave the dates set,

Unknown (56:04):
but, oh, there's a lot to it. There's four guys in the
band that have to get together.
They have to agree on the money,and you got to get, you know,
you got to get the companybehind it, Live Nation, or
whoever's going to get behind itand find out who the openers are
and how many dates you canhandle each other. And she was
like, there's a lot to it, man,there's, it's, it's, it's,
people think it's all happy andfun, and sometimes it's not, you

(56:25):
know, sometimes it's justbusiness, you know. Well,

I think it's different too, because when you
watch like the dirt, you go, Oh,wow. Like, rock and roll is
crazy. And I think there, therewas that time. But yeah, a lot,
a lot of bands of your era. Imean, you guys are older now.
Like, if you were still livingthe dirt, it'd be kind of scary,
and you probably wouldn't livetoo long.

Unknown (56:49):
You'd be in the dirt.
Yeah, it, um, yeah. Well, that'swhy a lot of guys don't, you
know, don't do that anymore. Youknow, I know, I know. Like, when
I'm around, like, for instance,you know, Mark, and Lonnie and
bullet boys, they don't drink,you know. So you just, you know,
and you can't, you can't, atsome point, you can't do, be
successful and do what you do.

(57:11):
Well, if you just, if you'rejust dependent on that shit,
because it'll break you downquickly when you get older.
Yeah.

I mean, we've seen too many. Obviously, Janie lane
is, you know, an example ofthat. Sadly, it's just too much
talent wasted there. I mean, youhate to see that, because the
guy's such a brilliantsongwriter, amazing front man.
And just to

Unknown (57:34):
tell you what we I just heard when we did, when we did
the demos for dog eat dog. Wedid them with an engineer called
Joe Breese. His name is Joebreezy. We were going to do the
record with him. Okay, we didn'tend up doing it with him, but
he's moving his studio. He's inPasadena, and I'm here in SoCal.
So I got a hold of him, and hesaid, I've got all these tapes.

(57:55):
I want you to come up and get onand digitizing everything. And
there's six songs on thosedemos. Some of them are out on
the internet here and there, indifferent forms, but there are
six songs demoed from the dogeat dog sessions that I'd
listened to in the last month,and I'm very intrigued on this.
Yeah, Eric's heard him. Steven'sheard him, like Steven, and I

(58:18):
listened to him sitting in myhotel room a few weeks ago at a
gig before, you know, before wewent to sound check. And so I
don't know what we're going todo with this stuff, but, um,
some of it's insane. Some ofit's like, wow, if, if we would
have put these six songs onDoggy Dog, except for, instead
of these six, it could have beenthe second cherry pie. There's,

(58:41):
there's a song called pop music.

I love that. So, yeah, we talked about that last
time I've heard that one, thatone's on the internet. Yeah,

Unknown (58:48):
it's on the internet, but I don't know in what form.
Okay, I don't know if it's ifI'm playing on it, or if it's
somebody else or whatever. Butthis, this is right before dog
eat dog was actually recorded.
And

there was a song I heard too, called Get me off.
That sounded good.

Unknown (59:03):
That's old. That's like, pre first record, okay,

yeah, because that'd be good. I think pop
music is one of the few that Iis keeping

Unknown (59:10):
up with the Joneses out there. That's

out, yeah, that's on, uh, greatest and latest, I
think in southern comfort. And

Unknown (59:17):
Southern Comfort was from the cherry pie demos, I
think,

and thin disguise is out there. Yeah,

Unknown (59:23):
that's not it. Um, um, trying to think of the other
songs, medicine man, you everheard of that one? I've

heard of Yeah, I think that. I think that's on
YouTube. Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot. I was likelooking today, there's like, 60
demos on YouTube of war, like,from all like, probably a lot of
the stuff, I think is even fromplain Jane, his other band.
Yeah,

Unknown (59:46):
I know there's some of that out there, because Stephen
found it.

Yeah, I'd be curious to hear more stuff from
Doggy Dog. I don't think there'sa lot of dog eat dog stuff,
other than I did hear pop music,but yeah, I'd be, I'd be, I'd
have to hear,

Unknown (59:59):
I'd have to hear. Here to tell you if, if it were us,
but I'm looking like right now,and it doesn't show me medicine
man, but you never know, butwe'll see. I mean, if we, if we,
if we dig deep, and we can doanything with some of that, you
know? Who knows? You know? Whoknows? Yeah,

Chuck Shute (01:00:13):
because I think you guys talked about a box set,
which I think I would be reallyinterested in. There was some
video and stuff that the makingof Doggy Dog that's never been
seen before.

Unknown (01:00:25):
Do this video. There's so many home videos you have no
idea, and they're funniest. Imean, it shows you how funny we
were. We had a lot of fun. Yeah,most of it's PG and it's funny
shit. It's, you know, throwingTVs out the window and launching
shit into into water and justidiot rock star stuff that you

(01:00:50):
do when you're young. Andthere's a lot of videos, yeah. I

mean, when you look back on that stuff, you you can
look back and laugh, but it'd besilly if you were doing it
today, but you could stillenjoy, yeah, no, retroactively,
yeah.

Unknown (01:01:04):
I mean, you do that when you're in your 20s. And I
mean, I threw, I threw, but Ithrew a phone out a window. I
didn't throw it. I actuallyopened the window and just
dropped it about a nine storywindow in Japan, in Tokyo. And
then I'm like, because I washung over, and somebody was
calling me early, probably to goto an interview or something.

(01:01:24):
And like, an hour later, halfhour later, I'm like, Oh, my
God, I'm in Japan. It's going tobe like, a billion dollars. So I
went down and I founded it inthis bush, and it was broken,
and I took it back up to myroom, and I tried to set it
where it was like, and put itback together. But if you would
have blown on it, it would havejust gone, poof, right? And by

(01:01:47):
the time I just checked out, Ihad a $900 bill for a phone. Oh
shit, yeah, yeah. But stupidstuff like that. It's, you look,
you think back, and it's funny,and nobody got hurt, and, you
know, but there's stuff likethat on, on, on, uh, on video,
you know. And it's funny. It'sjust the fun, the funny things
people say and do when you'reyoung and dumb, right? Yeah,

I mean the fact that you have video, because you
have the stories, and then youcan always write a book, but if
you have the video and you canmake a documentary, that's like
money. I think we'll see whathappens. Yeah, I always love the
Skid Row videos. Those are someof my those first couple videos
were so there were so many funnyand I think they had, they had
hours and hours of footage, andthey had to cut it down to, you

(01:02:31):
know, an hour and a half orwhatever.

Unknown (01:02:33):
Yeah, good friends, good guys.

Yeah, I saw you guys. It was Warren, Skid Row
and winger here. Last time itwas at the casino, outdoor at
the pool, that was like such agreat show, so fun.

Unknown (01:02:44):
Scott still, yeah, and Robbie played, Robbie crane
played bass for because, becauseRachel was sick or something.
Yes, that's right, yes, yeah.
Those guys are good friendswe've known for so long, and we
hope they get up and rollingagain soon. You know, yeah,

they're still trying to find a singer, I think
at this point,

Unknown (01:03:03):
yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the deal is.

Any suggestions for who they should get. You know,

Unknown (01:03:09):
what's funny is we, we, we found a guy in, like,
Philippines, believe it or not,that was doing some stuff, and
we were gonna forward it to him.
But those guys know what they'relooking for, and, you know,
they're pros, and they'll findsomebody, you know, I thought
they had it with that Eric guy,because he was great. So good,
he was great. And they'll findsomebody, you know,

did you what'd you think of that last record with
Eric? Because I loved how, Imean, it sounded like they went
back in time and made a recordin between Skid Row debut and
slave it was like, from 1990like, in between the two of
them. And I thought that'd be socool, if you guys did something
like that between cherry pie anddog eat dog, kind of a mix of
the two. Like, I think

Unknown (01:03:53):
that that would be cool. You know, we'll see what
we do. You know, we've, we've,we're starting to talk about
something I don't know, I don'tknow what we're gonna there's
all kinds of stuff moving andgrooving that I can't really
talk about right now. Well,

you also talked about maybe doing a solo record
and having people guest on it,and having, like, some female
singers maybe, and just kind ofdoing, like what slash does,
where he has a bunch of guestsingers. I would

Unknown (01:04:16):
like to get a bunch of difference being working at
Pearl, I know a bunch of greatdrummers, right, sure, and some
of the drummers that are inheavy, heavy bands, you would
are warrant fans, right? So Iwould like to do something
before I'm done with my careerthat, you know, maybe 910,
songs, maybe eight, seven oreight, you know, originals,

(01:04:39):
maybe a few covers, and havedifferent players on every song
you know, and get all my buddiesthat kick ass on drums, some you
know, some you don't know. Andthen, and then call my favorite
singers in the world and justsay, please, please sing on this
you know. And I've taught, I'veapproached some of the guys you
know, and they're like, let mehear it, you know. And there's

(01:05:01):
stuff I've written, it's just soprimal right now. It's just got,
I've got to take the time, andprobably will do that in the
next five years, but it ain'tgoing to happen anytime soon.

Yeah, well, I look forward to that because, yeah, I
think the one person I had onthe show who did that, and it
had a lot of success, was Billy,I think is it Billy Morrison? I
think that's his name. He's theguitar player for Billy Idol,
and he had, like, Ozzy, andlike, all these people Billy
Idol and all these other peoplesing on it and guest on his solo
record. And it's, yeah, it'samazing. I think the one song he

(01:05:34):
did with Ozzy was like thenumber one song on the Rock
Charts,

Unknown (01:05:37):
yeah, yeah. That's great stuff. Yeah. He's, a great
player. And, you know, SteveStevens is great so, yeah, um,
something like that. So we'llsee. Time will tell when I do
it. We'll talk about it.

Yeah, come back and promote it anytime. Yeah, I
love, uh, here. I'd love to hearsome new warrants, or just new
music, either your solo warrantor something. Have you guessed
on someone else's like, putstuff out there, right?

Unknown (01:06:06):
We'll get you something new soon enough. Yeah, I know
it's long overdue. We're, like,running up on nine years or
eight years since anything new.
So, yeah, we're

those Doggy Dog demos. I'd be really curious to
hear that, because I do lovethat album. I know it's so so
funny, because I feel likeeverybody says that now, like, I
listen to a lot of interviewswith you, and people are like, I
love Doggy Dog. I'm like, Idon't remember any of these
people when I when I album cameout, and I was living in Seattle
in 92 and I was like, now that'sthe one thing I like about
social media, is it brings youtogether with all these people

(01:06:37):
with similar interests. I thinkthat's really cool.

Unknown (01:06:39):
Did you see us in Seattle, no, because you played,

I think it was the, what was that Ballard firehouse
or something? You had to be 21so all the bands I

Unknown (01:06:49):
love, we played the Coliseum on the cherry pie tour.

I think I hadn't got into rock at that point. I
just, I got into rocking like 92

Unknown (01:06:59):
Yeah, that would have been 91 and then before that, we
played the paramount, I lovethat on we played the paramount,
I think, on the dirty, rottentour, in a band called Allison
chains opened up for us. I

was gonna ask you about that. Yeah, that is so
cool. Like, do you remember thatshow? Yes,

Unknown (01:07:16):
because I thought they were killer. And I was like,
Yeah. And, and, of course, Imean, I love, I love a lot of
the Seattle, a lot of peoplefeel like a Seattle grunge
killed Warren. It's like, No, weall ate ourselves. You know what
I mean. But some of the bandsthat came out of the two bands I
really did were Soundgarden andAlice, and changed the heavier
bands. Sure, you know, I wasn'ta big fan of Pearl Jam, although

(01:07:39):
there were some great tunes. Thegoatee vocal always kind of
turned me off, if you know whatI mean. It was just a little
trippy, Nirvana, Doug, Nirvana,killer, raw stuff, great. But I
didn't really look at it as athat whole situation is that
that killed, you know what wewere doing? We kind of killed
what we were doing all of us.
Did you know it was like, selfindulgent on on hyper drive and

(01:08:03):
it ate itself?

But do you think you would do anything different?
Because those first threerecords, I they're great, like
all three of them, even DoggyDog like, I think it was a
natural progression. I don'tknow if I would say that you
should change it. Maybe some ofthe fashions should have been
different. I don't

Unknown (01:08:25):
know the fashion.
There's some statements inthere, right, huh? Right, yeah,
it's crazy stuff. But no, Idon't think I'd change anything.
I mean, you know, again, there'sfive guys making decisions and
throwing a management companyand throwing lawyers and
throwing all this otherbullshit, and, you know, then

(01:08:45):
throw in success. And once youget success, people stop calling
each other, and you get off theroad, you don't talk to each
other. I mean, we lived togetherbefore those first three
records. We lived together. Welived ate, drank together in the
same place. You know, how do

you not go crazy at that, like murder each other?
Because

Unknown (01:09:07):
you're you've got one common goal. You want to you
want a record deal, you want togo out on the road and tour, and
so you're just living and eatingand breathing that. But once you
get, once you get the success,and everybody says, Well, I'm
gonna buy a house. Well, I'mgonna buy a house. You don't buy
houses next to each other. Doyou know what I mean? Because,

(01:09:29):
because, you know, you you Oh,I'm gonna get married, oh, I'm
gonna have a family. It changes,you know? And then when you get
off the road, you don't see eachother until you get back
together to do something, make arecord, go on tour, to where now
it's just like when we get onthe road and we're driving
around, you know, Hey, man,how's the family? How's your

(01:09:50):
son, how's, you know, How's yourwife? What's going What's the
wife doing this weekend? Well,we got next weekend off. What
are you doing? Any plans? So,yeah, we're going to go
vacation, take the RV down here.
It's the same like. Anybodyelse. We're the same. We just
happen to play music for aliving, you know. And we've
gotten it to a point in thisband where, where the love that
each guy has for one another isso strong and killer that it's

(01:10:11):
just, it's a good place, man,it's, there's no negative, like
I said, it's so you can't see itenough, and I wish that other
bands that I'm friends with andfans of had the same experience,
because it's fantastic, youknow, knowing that your buddy's
good, you know, and that whenyou see him next weekend, you're

(01:10:33):
going to kick ass and have somefun, and then you're going to go
your own separate ways, andeverything's great, you know,
it's fantastic,

yeah, do you think part of it too is that you guys
can equally split everything? Imean, I'm assuming that you just
split things five ways. Is thatjust so there's no because I
know, like, people were sayingGuns and Roses axles getting,
like, 50% of the of the take, orsomething like that. And so,
like, maybe there's someanimosity with some people with
that, but I mean, then he kindof deserves it, because he's Axl

(01:11:04):
Rose, so I don't

Unknown (01:11:05):
know this is my take on money. Having money is way
better than not having money,right? Right? Yeah, that's kind
of a no brainer, right? Sure,the more money you make, the
more you can spend, right? Um,if you make the same amount of
money every year all your life,then you can get really good at

(01:11:25):
how you manage it, right? That'sanother take on money. And if
you ever do anything just formoney, it's soulless, you know
what I mean? And, and I don'tsee any reason why somebody like
and it's none of my business,but Guns and Roses has to have
so much money and they generateso much income. Why would

(01:11:47):
somebody need that much morethan the next guy? There's only
so much shit you can buy andshit, shit, you know, cars,
houses, all that stuff, whichI've got them, but you can burn
them tomorrow, as long as myfamily's healthy, my friends are
healthy, and everybody's happyand there's food on the table,
I'm golden, you know, it's notabout money. And so as far as

(01:12:12):
Warren's concerned, yeah,everybody, you know, I mean not
getting too much into ourbusiness. There's a great
agreement. Everybody agrees.
There's no animosity, okay, ifthere was animosity, you know,
we probably wouldn't be havingthis Sure, quite frankly, you
know, then, then and it wouldmake it hard, you know, I think
the bands, again, that shareequally stay around for a long

(01:12:33):
time, you know, yeah,

yeah, especially too with like, Now, how did that
work? Did you guys getsongwriting credits with Warren?
Because I know Janie was prettymuch the principal. Saw me,
wrote pretty much all the songs,but he didn't give you guys
songwriting credits. Did he? Hedidn't,

Unknown (01:12:51):
I think he gave Eric arranging credits on cherry pie.
I wrote the riff, the intro riffto Sure, feels good. I didn't
get any on that. Danny Stagglaughs at me. Danny from Kingdom
come, and JB Frank, all four,those two guys, myself and Janie
were in the same room. It was myriff, and then we wrote it and
went on with it. And he gave, hegave JB and Danny writing

(01:13:12):
credit. And Danny, to this day,still gets money for that. And
he laughs. He goes, I can'tbelieve he didn't get writing
credit on me. They don't careabout stuff like that. I mean,
that's one in many. It was justa boogie riff, a little like Van
Halen esque riff and and so inthe beginning, it was a
different situation, the wayJanie handles publishing. But
everybody had a tasteabsolutely,

because, you know, don't you also get a performance
royalty? Yeah,

Unknown (01:13:39):
yeah, that's split five ways. You sure you can't change
that? Yeah, and that pays, youknow? I mean, there's, there's
different revenue streams andmusic. There's, if you have hits
and they're played on the radioand they're played on the
internet, there's revenuestreams.

Yeah, you guys have your songs are in commercials,
and, like, I just thought therewas, I think you have it on your
YouTube. There's, like, an, wasit an Arby's commercial or
something?

Unknown (01:14:00):
It's been a cherry pie has been in like 27 movies.

Yeah, that's, that's a nice chunk of change,
right? Yeah, there's

Unknown (01:14:07):
money. Yeah, there's money that that's generated from
the back catalog. That's, that'sfantastic. And I know when we do
something that's not directlyrelated to James Publishing,
because it's owned by adifferent entity, not his
family, but if it's somethingthat his daughters are due, that
we take care of his daughters, Imean, they they get his if we do

(01:14:28):
something that generates moneythat's not in his publishing,
they get money, and we're honestabout it, and there's A
relationship there. And youknow, it's good.

That's admirable, yeah, because there is, there
was always those kind of, likelawsuits and things you see
with, I think Soundgarden wasgoing through something, you
know, try, they're trying to getChris Cornell's music or
something. And the widow wastrying to say, No, you can't, I
don't know. I don't know there'ssome sort of issue there. I

Unknown (01:14:58):
like to sleep at night.
So. Spinning on a meeting,right?

Do you ever, do you ever wonder, like, what if you,
what if you didn't join Warren,like, what if you just joined
another band and they didn'tmake it? It sounds like you
would be in the same place, likeyou are. Just this isn't like
your whole defining who you arebeing in warrant, like you, your
family and your friends and allthat stuff defines your
happiness.

Unknown (01:15:23):
It definitely does. And I've, you know, going to school,
got an engineering degree,you've got Microsoft
certification, and just going toschool and getting educated, and
then working private businessfor over 30 years of my life,
outside of warrant, you know, iswhat I do for a living, you
know? And warrant is what I dofor a living. It's co mingled.

(01:15:44):
I'm I'm lucky to be able to doboth, but it's a lot of work,
and it defines me to the pointto where I'm hard worker. Okay,
he's a hard worker, but whatreally defines me is my family
and my friends and myrelationships and how tight they
are and how much loves there,and that's the definition of

(01:16:06):
really couldn't care. I couldcare less about what anybody
says about the span online, goodor bad. I would hope that our
efforts that people enjoy it. Ifthey don't, I'm sorry. You know
you didn't enjoy it if you ifyou're a hater and you just
don't like the band, and itmakes you feel good to make that

(01:16:27):
public, enjoy yourself. I feelsorry for you, you know. I like
to keep it positive, and I likewaking up happy after a good
night's sleep, because I didn'tfuck somebody out of money, you
know, and that's, that's the wayI roll. You know, other people
are different to each his own.
Don't want to judge anybodyreally, to be honest with you,

no, but I think your attitude, to me, it's
inspiring to hear that. I likehearing that kind of thing.
Yeah, well,

Unknown (01:16:57):
there you go. Yeah, I think it's a reasonable adult
attitude, yeah,

no. I mean, that's what it's like. You're it sounds
like you're in a really goodplace. It's just good

Unknown (01:17:06):
to hear. Now, I just got to stay alive for as long as
I can,

right? I know it's tough. There's just, like, so
many things out there that, youknow, just, it's sad. It's like,
with CJ, I mean, that was justso heartbreaking, because he's
so young, you're just like,What? No. Like, he's Yeah. Go,
what are you talking about?

Unknown (01:17:25):
Yeah, and I'm 61 in three weeks, and he went, he was
in his mid 60s. It's just um,yeah. It's a bummer. See guys go
like that. So you never know,man, you gotta treat each day
like there's no tomorrow. Youknow Dave Lee Roth say that
something probably, yeah, yeah,with the devil, something like

(01:17:45):
that, somewhere in there, likethere's no tomorrow, something
in there. Yeah,

he's an interesting guy, so you've hung out with
him, though I

Unknown (01:17:52):
hung out. I first met him in 1984 at the rainbow I was
with his girlfriend and his potdealer. Oh, okay. And his pot
dealer worked for Columbia orfor Capitol Records, but also
sold pot and and then I was withhis girlfriend, which was at the
time. Her name was Kate Simmons.
She was Gene Simmons, theactress's daughter, okay? And

(01:18:14):
she was absolutely beautiful andabsolutely a sweetheart. I could
see why Dave was attracted toher, but I had dinner at the
rainbow with him, and gothanging out with Dave for the
first time, and then, you know,toured with him, and I've seen
him a few other times, and hereand there. And you know, he's,
he's a smart guy. Um, definitelywhat I'd call a savant of sorts.

(01:18:37):
Um, and a hell of a wordsmith.
If you listen to all thoselyrics on Van Halen records that
he wrote, absolutelyentertaining and his show he
did, if you get a chance, thenyou like the Dave Van Halen go,

(01:18:59):
I grew up on the Dave Van Halen,so that's my shtick, you know,
that's why, when people say, ah,Janie, if it's not Janie, it's
not warrant. I get it. I get it.
When Janie was, when Jean thosefirst three records, when Janie
was on live, nobody could touchthe guy. I mean, he sang better,
he wrote better songs. He wasreally, really good at what he
did, and he is missed sorely,you know. So when somebody comes

(01:19:22):
up and says, I'm not into theRobert thing, I'm like, okay,
that's okay, you know, but theband's not going to stop just
because one guy is not hereanymore, you know, it's really
unfortunate. I mean, what wouldhave happened if ACDC, you know,
stunk and didn't make back inblack? Think about all those
great songs we would have neverheard. You know? Well, yeah,

that's not fair, if, like, if you weren't alive,
you know, when Janie Lane wasaround, then, then what? So then
you just can never hear unlessyou're hearing a cover band play
warrant or something

Unknown (01:19:57):
like, look at what Pantera guys are doing. I get
it. You know, I get that

too. Yeah, I and I loved, I went and saw Pantera
when I was a kid, and I loved, Ihaven't seen this new
incarnation, but, I mean, I ZachWilde is like, I mean, it was
one of the greatest guitarplayers ever, so you couldn't
get a better replacement. And he

Unknown (01:20:15):
was, like, best friends with Darryl. And Darryl was a
warrant fan. And I've got,there's a video online somewhere
of Daryl coming out. We playedmonster. Darryl comes out and
sings down boys. He used tocreep. We played Dallas. He did
always creep on stage and comearound the bottle of crown. And
just a wonderful individual. AndI saw cowboys from hell to her.

(01:20:36):
I, you know, I'm a fan, so Ithink it's really good that that
they're doing that, and it'sgood for them, and it's good for
the people that get to enjoy it.
So I, you know, embrace music.
If you don't like it, don't go.
You know, if you don't, if it'snot your cup of tea, don't go.
And if, if you are online,hating on people, I truly feel
sorry for you becausesomething's wrong with you, and

(01:20:57):
you need to check yourself. Youknow that

is so true, because I always, I mean, even I get
comments on my youtube and I'mlike, What? What is wrong with
these people? Why are theyattacking my tiny little YouTube
channel with like, 7000subscribers, why do you care
enough to write?

Unknown (01:21:15):
I got an answer for you, and it kind of brings a
close to this interview. Youready? There we go. Low IQ,

low IQ. There it is. Okay. Well, thank you so
much for doing this. WarrenScott, like I said, I think you
got 22 shows coming up. Peopleget the meet and greets, and
you've got, you know, of course,they can download the music, and
there's merch, and what else canwe promote? Maybe upcoming
projects.

Unknown (01:21:38):
We've got some projects in the works, and we'll be
around, and we're touring, andwe'll see we get any new stuff
out there, new old stuff, or,you know, plus a mix or some
video. We'll see what we'redoing. We're talking about a lot
of stuff. We're having meetingsand trying to figure it out. And
if we ever come close to you,Chuck, you call me and I will
put you on the guest list. Oh,okay, I didn't

even have to ask.
Well, you are coming. You'recoming to Parker, and I'm
thinking about making a roadtrip down there, because I love
that area. That's

Unknown (01:22:04):
84 miles from my I've got a cab between Havasu and
Laughlin, okay, yeah, I lovethat area. I've got a boat and
some sea doos, and I go outthere in the summertime with my
family, and we have fun inbetween touring. And I can work
for from Pearl, from there. Soyeah, so I'm like, 84 miles. If
you want to come up to thatshow, let me know. Yeah,

I'm already, I was already planning on, I would buy
a ticket. But if you'reoffering, I will take you up on
the offer. Just,

Unknown (01:22:31):
you know, just hit me on the you got my email. Just
hit me a week before, and I'lltake care of

you. Okay, thank you so much, Joey, good to see
you. My brother. All right, youtoo. Bye, bye, one

THEME SONG (01:22:40):
of a kind, from the rockers to the wise men soon and
folks, you'll be learning againyou.

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