March 28, 2025 • 20 mins
In this episode, we sit down with Jeremiah Grube, CEO of OnSong, to explore how the OnSong app is transforming the way worship leaders and pastors manage their worship ministries. By streamlining the organization of worship music, OnSong frees up valuable time for worship leaders and pastors to focus on leading worship and connecting with their teams. Say goodbye to the old ways of planning Sunday sets—OnSong allows you to store, sort, and customize your music effortlessly. Lead pastors appreciate how this tool helps worship pastors create a seamless flow that sets the stage for the preaching of the Word.
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Dick Hardy (00:00):
Hey friend, it's great to be with you today on
(00:08):
this episode of The Church tipspodcast. And I am so excited to
have my relatively new friend,Jeremiah Grube from the great
state of Pennsylvania. Jeremiahsay hi to the folks today.
Jeremiah Grube (00:19):
Hey guys, how are y'all doing? Thanks for
having us on the podcast herewith with Dick.
Dick Hardy (00:24):
Well, we're excited we got the Pennsylvania and
Missouri connection going here.
And of course, this is going allaround the world, so you're
going to have a chance to speakinto the lives of a lot of great
pastors and leaders. And so itis a privilege of ours to have
you and looking forward to thecontent today. Today we're we're
going to jump into what Jeremiahand his team are doing with a
(00:48):
ministry called OnSong, O N, S,O N, G, by the way, nerdy
question is the S capitalized?
Jeremiah Grube (00:59):
Yes, it is capitalized.
Dick Hardy (01:00):
Okay, see, I want to know I'm creative enough I know
that's going to happen there so,but I thought I really wanted to
have Jeremiah come on and justtalk to us. You know, what
happens... what happens onSunday morning with the worship
in preparation for the Word isso critical, yeah. And then what
(01:21):
happens during the week... inorder to make that happen on
Sunday, if you've been aroundchurch at all, you know, it's
during the week that prepares usfor Sunday, that worship, that
prepares us for the Word. So,Jeremiah, I'm just going to drop
a quarter in you and have youtalk to us about the genesis of
(01:43):
OnSong, how it came together,what exactly it is, and just
give us a tutorial on what weshould know about your ministry.
Jeremiah Grube (01:52):
Sure. Well, again, thanks for having us, and
was just an honor to be with youguys and so OnSong was created
by my friend Jason, and he's thefounder and lead developer of
it, and he was basically a longstory short, he was basically at
a worship worship team meeting,and this was before the iPad
(02:12):
came out. And he was basicallythe the worship leader said,
Hey, all these paper they hadeverywhere, and they all these
binders and all thesealphabetical order things, and,
and she basically was just like,hey, that that'd be great if
there was an app or somethinglike this, that we didn't have
to have all this paper. And itright, that at that moment,
Jason's wheel started to move.
And, and then she and then Jasonwas like, You know what? I
(02:35):
wonder if I can make an app forthat. And then the worship
leader says, No, I don't thinkyou could do that. And that
right, there was just enoughpoke in the bear, Jason. That's
all he needed. And he literallywent home that night, started
coding OnSong, and thenliterally had the code, some of
the code, already created, andhad to wait for the iPad, the
(02:55):
first ever iPad, to be deliveredto his house before we could
actually, you know, put ittogether and to and to make see
if this would be a resource forworship leaders. And so that was
a 2010, 11. And in 2012 it was,it was, it was up when the iPad
came out. We were one of thefirst 500 apps on the App Store
in 2012... when the iPad cameout. And thankfully, we can say
(03:20):
we're still around 11, 12, yearslater. And so I don't know how
many of the 500 are stillaround, but OnSong is definitely
is one of them. So it's been ahuge blessing. So basically, you
take all your paper charts youcan import from Song Select,
Praise Charts, PCO Music Stand,your own creative charts you
(03:41):
have on Dropbox, Google Drive.
You import them into OnSong, andyou view them on your iPad or
your iPhone, or now it's on thedesktop, even with Mac. So we
are iOS only. We are going tostart working on an Android
version of OnSong here in thenear future, so that everybody
with devices can use it, can useOnSong, but for the most part,
(04:02):
we're on iOS. Basically, iPad isthe main, the main thrust, of
what people view it on. You cantranspose on the fly. You can do
so many things with with yourcharts. But really for worship
leaders, we wanted to have anapp that basically you spend
less time working on thetechnical side of things, as far
as redoing charts and andredoing this, redoing that, and
(04:23):
spending more time inpreparation for the stuff that
really, in my opinion, matters,as far as preparation, as far as
being with your team,connecting, praying, asking God
to come, fill your fill Hispresence with with the services
and things that that are lesstechnical and so most, like I
said to you earlier, as like, wefind that 80% of people use 20%
(04:44):
of the app, and 20% of peopleuse 80% of the app. Well, I
think a majority of worshipleaders are the 80% that use 20%
of the app, and we're great withthat. So we're always trying to
evolve the app, and I have itjust here on my iPad right now.
It's like, like, "Stand in YourLove", there's a, there's a
that's basically what OnSonglooks like. I have it in low
light mode right there. And soyou just kind of scroll down
(05:07):
through to your songs. You canmake you can make notes on a
notepad there. You know that,"What a Beautiful Name" that's
been imported from a CCLI orPraise Chart right there. And so
you make a set list on the app,and then you can share them. You
can be in them. You can emailthem. You can get them to get
them to anybody that you need toin your band. And for the most
part, we don't have really hardnumbers on this, but we're 50%
(05:30):
of our users is house ofworship, and 50% of our users
are clubs, pubs, cruise ships,music therapists, ukulele groups
all over Hawaii, I mean, crazyplaces that people have used
OnSong. So, but really, theheart behind the heart behind
OnSong is to be a resource, atool for the local church. And
(05:50):
that's why, you know, we havegroup subscriptions for
churches, single subscriptionsthrough the App Store and things
like that. So it was birthed outof, out of wanting to be a
blessing to worship leaders sothat we wouldn't have to take
paper everywhere. When Istarted, actually with, well,
I've been a pastor for seven or20 years. I was a pastor before
(06:10):
I started working at OnSong, andover half that time was a
worship leader, and I traveledwith a guy by the name of Todd
White, and it was called Powerand Love Ministries and and
before the app came out, I wouldliterally have my suitcase full
of seven or eight packets ofmusic to go play with the house
band that I was going to playwith. I would maybe travel with
my drummer and acoustic or myguitar player, but I'd be going
(06:33):
going to places I've never beenbefore, pulling up shop and then
having a band in front of me.
And you know, I would have 45pounds and 25 pounds of it was
paper. So when I came back, Ihad a, you know, half my
suitcase wasn't there, so Iended up just using the app
right out of the gate. And itwas a huge blessing, because
they were all on the same pagewith me. I gave them the set
list ahead of time, all thekeys, all the notes, everything
(06:54):
I needed, even my littleannotations I had on there, they
all used it. And so, like it wasa one stop shop for me when I
went to these cities all allthroughout the United States.
And that's how I got hooked onOnSong myself. I was a power
user of it early on when I was apastor at Christ Community
Church here in in Camp Hill PA,and then on the road with it
during worship conferences. Andso I was using it, you know,
(07:17):
probably within the first sixmonths, and it revolutionized
how I led worship. I spend wayless time worrying about the
technical side, and more, youknow, with the Lord, with my
team, pastoring. And it just, itjust maximized my time so much
better.
Dick Hardy (07:36):
Yeah, wow, that is so good. So what would you guess
a a worship pastor or no, let'sgo to the lead pastor first.
Yeah, uh, we got a bunch of leadpastors who are watching this
podcast right now. So what wouldyou say to the lead pastor who
maybe isn't technically savvy onworship, he just knows, or she
(08:00):
knows they want good worship tolead into their message. Why
would you say? What would yousay to them to say why they
would want to get this for theirvolunteer worship leader, sure,
or their paid worship pastor?
Why should they do this?
Jeremiah Grube (08:15):
Yeah, there's multiple reasons. I think. I
think one of the reasons is andother apps might have had this
feature as well, but we reallyhone in on wanting to understand
the genre of what some of thesesongs are. So we'll take a we'll
take a key word like love orrepentance or forgiveness or
something like that, and youcould within the app one of the
features is you can, you canseparate out songs under those
(08:39):
type of categories and thosekind of themes and maybe even
messages and so, so, like, evenfor me, like, if we were, you
know, speaking on the Father'slove, and then the senior pastor
wanted a song about the Father'slove to close, close the message
with, I could go to my rolodexreal quick and say, Hey, there's
three songs right here. Two ofthem I know, one, I don't, and I
can, I can pull that up if I'm avolunteer on the fly, and I
(09:01):
didn't really have a serviceplanning meeting throughout the
week. On the flip side, if I wasa paid guy in there, then I
could recommend that on theservice planning sheet
throughout the week and say,hey, you know what "Goodness of
God" is something that I thinkwould really, really tie
together this your message, tietogether your notes at the end
of worship, and I would justsubmit that to the senior pastor
(09:21):
at the service planning meeting,and he could say, Hey, that's a
great idea, or let's findanother song. But it would be at
my fingertips that I could atleast do that instead of going
like this, or going back to mydesk, or going to the binders
and and, you know, things likethat. So one reason is that the
you have genres and you havethematic words that are being
(09:42):
created and generated andsearched on the search engine
throughout OnSong that makessomething on the fly easier. And
we all been... us worship guys,we've all been caught out to dry
with the guest speaker thatwe've never seen before, asking
us to do a song at the end ofthe service. And most times we
probably might not even know thesong. But if there's a way that,
there's a way that they give thetitle, and it jogs your memory
(10:06):
of something that you might beable to have in your Rolodex of
I have probably 700 songs overthe 20 years of leading worship.
So not that I remember all 700of them now, but I've done at
least 600 of them in 20 years,which is insane amount of
content. So, you have all yourcontent in the front row on your
iPad at a moment's notice, ifthe senior pastor turns to you,
Dick Hardy (10:27):
Well, that is that's a huge, a huge asset to have
that and not be caught. Yes, andplenty of worship leaders know
that feeling of, oh my goodness,what am I going to do? And
plenty of lead pastors know thatfeeling I'm asking for
something, and I can't get it.
And everybody's watching us. So,this is a huge, a huge thing for
(10:52):
people to to be able to tapinto. What about your...
Jeremiah Grube (10:59):
Let me say one thing about it. The other thing
about it is is outside of on thefly, on the the actual Sunday
morning or Sunday eveningservice, lot of senior pastors,
in my opinion, over the years,they actually just want you to
give them ideas. And as aworship leader, if you give them
ideas on how to land the plane.
That's actually what they'relooking for, because they have
(11:22):
focused so much time on their ontheir sermon and the content of
the sermon, I found most, sir,most senior pastors just, just
need a little bit of help on theback end, trying to, trying to
come up with a a creative butmeaningful and anointed way to
land the plane.
Dick Hardy (11:38):
Yeah, good. That is so good. What about the
volunteers on teams? So, whethera little bit larger, you got the
paid guy at the top oreverybody's volunteer, but
you've got this huge cadre ofpeople who give of themselves.
How does OnSong help them?
Jeremiah Grube (11:58):
Well, the best thing to do, in my opinion,
would be to get a the have thechurch person get a group
subscription through the throughan Apple ID account, and then
every person that has an iPadcould have OnSong and that they
would be able to again, thevolunteer would be able to use
it for free, because they wouldstill be under the account of
the of the church accountcreated in the Apple ID or off
(12:19):
of off the website, and sothey're able to take take real
time changes. They'll be able tosee the songs ahead of time.
They'll be able to know what keythe worship leader is doing them
in ahead of time. To me, thevolunteers and keys are always a
tricky thing. Volunteers don'tnecessarily always understand it
takes actual time to pick theright key that the worship
(12:43):
leader is doing the song inwhich then sets for the guitar
guy, it might knock him out ofbounds on a different fret
that's too high, too low, theyrun out of space. So there's
multiple variables that are inworship leading when you pick
songs and what keys pickingsongs is one thing, picking a
key is another. They're twodifferent things. So if you have
any of that information or thosecharts ahead of time, that just
(13:06):
helps you when you'repracticing, say, Wednesday
night, before the kids go tobed, you give it an hour or 30
minutes at your own whateverinstrument you're playing. You
can give it a run through,knowing the key, knowing the
recording, knowing what they'relooking for, and the leader can
actually send out the notes onthere and say, Hey, bass player,
I want you to make sure you makesure you play C over E, over
this part here, they can giveyou all that information ahead
(13:27):
of time, in real time, in anyway, even if they don't even
have an iPad, they can stillemail it to the person with the
information on the PDF. They getthe PDFs with all the stuff on
it. So, there's no way that,even if they don't have an iPad
or an iPhone, they're on theAndroid side of things, they can
still receive an email and getall the information from the
(13:47):
head guy or gal.
Dick Hardy (13:48):
Yeah, that is so good. Okay, so how would they
access this? Give us somemechanics here. You know, where
do they go? How do they do it?
What kind of cost is involved,that kind of stuff.
Jeremiah Grube (14:00):
Yeah. So, there's couple ways to do it.
You can go just flat, if you'reyour own musician, and you play
out and you have multiple bandsthat you're part of, or your
multiple worship bands thatyou're part of at different
churches, go to the App Storeand just look under OnSong on
the app store, and you wouldpurchase it under your Apple ID
account we have. It's $3 or$2.99 I'm sorry, $3.99 a month
(14:23):
for the essentials, which isn'tall the features, but for the
most part, is it gets peoplegoing at the cheapest cost that
we could do it at. So, it's $4 amonth there. Or you can get
premium, which is $5.99 it'sbasically $6 a month there. You
can purchase it annually to geta couple dollars savings off of,
(14:44):
off of purchasing it, purchasingit annually. But also, let me go
through I'm just gonna change myscreen here the pricing. If you
want to go to OnSongapp.com andsign up for for group
subscriptions, it's $240 for uptofive users and two devices.
Then $360 a year for up to 10users, which ends up being, you
(15:08):
know, even less than that, about$4 a user, or $3 a user. So
OnSongapp.com would be for thegroup subscriptions. And then,
if it's just you and your AppleID and the way that you're
playing in multiple bands,different things like that, just
go to the App Store. The appstore probably be the best way
to do it.
Dick Hardy (15:30):
Jeremiah, this has been just outstanding content,
really, in a different vein thana lot of our Church Tips podcast
interviews. I am so gratefulthat you've taken time to talk
with us. If someone's watchingthis and they haven't caught,...
they really haven't caught it,or maybe it's a blur. What is
one thing you say if you don'tremember anything else, remember
(15:51):
this that you'd want to say topastors and leaders?
Jeremiah Grube (15:55):
Sure. I mean, OnSong, again, it's just a
resource tool that takes yourpaper charts and it puts them
into an app. And everybodynowadays is pretty much flowing
with iPad or iPhone. Even thebigger iPhones now are being
used the Mac, iPad, I iPhone,Pro Max are being used for
OnSong. And I would say, hey,you know you don't want to do
long hand. You don't want tokeep going from the key of G to
(16:16):
the key of A and writing it outfor your band mates every time
check out OnSong. Check out howquickly, with a snap of your
finger, you can transpose from Gto A. You can import all your
content from Praise Charts, fromMusic Stand, from CCLI, all your
content that churches have outthere. You can import it through
OnSong. So it's really a onestop shop for your band, for
(16:38):
your team, and be able to justbe on the same page at a at a
higher rate. And, you know, in aday and age that we're all using
devices, we just encouragepeople to to use OnSong, to get
rid of paper. I mean, even wewere at a conference a couple
months ago it was a Baptistconference down in Nashville at
the big Bridgestone, BridgestoneArena, where the Predators play.
(17:01):
And this was a new people groupfor us, the Baptist
denomination, and a lot of themstill use paper. We were floored
that people would still be usingpaper today, but we were like,
Hey, we need to keep reachingthese, these people groups, as
far as knowing that they theydon't have to use paper anymore,
and once we expose them toOnSong and Praise Charts
together, that you could importthem together with those two
(17:23):
companies, that we blew theirmind. So that was, it was
beautiful, because they werelike, man, we spent all this
time doing long hand! They'reshowing me their binders that
are like, 30 years old with, youknow. And I'm like, this is
incredible. This is 2024 people,you know, like, this, right?
Okay, no, no judgment, but byall means, like, spend a cup of
(17:44):
coffee a month and get yourselfsome help!
Dick Hardy (17:47):
Yeah! Oh, man, oh, man, that is so good. Jeremiah,
I cannot thank you enough. Ireally, I can't thank you
enough, pastors, worshipleaders, lead, pastors, uh, team
leads. Feel free to, I mean,share this with friends. And I
(18:07):
gotta tell you, one of thethings I appreciated so much
early on in meeting you,Jeremiah, yeah, was your true
heart for ministry. You youreally want to help what happens
on Sunday morning. You know, Iuse the term doesn't sound very
spiritual, that's game day, andthat's where people are in the
the audience, the worship, isdrawing them into the presence
(18:31):
of the Lord. The Word is spokenthrough the pastor, and by the
end of the service, we praylives are changed. So what we've
just talked about the last10-15, minutes will help you do
that even better. So thank youagain.
Jeremiah Grube (18:45):
I appreciate it, and I always I appreciate that
comment. I view it as everySunday is somebody's first
Sunday there. And then, if I canmake that easier for them, and
they can enter into the presenceof God sooner and quicker, I'm
game.
Dick Hardy (19:02):
There you go. Thanks again. Very much, Jeremiah, and
thank you to you as the vieweror the listener to tuning to the
Church Tips podcast. We'll lookforward to seeing you in the
next one. Make it a great onetoday and be blessed.
Jonathan Hardy (19:15):
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(19:36):
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Again, that'sLeaders.Church/boost. Well,
thanks again for joining us onthe Church Tips podcast. We'll
look forward to seeing you nexttime.
Hey friend, it's great to be with you today on
(00:08):
this episode of The Church tipspodcast. And I am so excited to
have my relatively new friend,Jeremiah Grube from the great
state of Pennsylvania. Jeremiahsay hi to the folks today.
Jeremiah Grube (00:19):
Hey guys, how are y'all doing? Thanks for
having us on the podcast herewith with Dick.
Dick Hardy (00:24):
Well, we're excited we got the Pennsylvania and
Missouri connection going here.
And of course, this is going allaround the world, so you're
going to have a chance to speakinto the lives of a lot of great
pastors and leaders. And so itis a privilege of ours to have
you and looking forward to thecontent today. Today we're we're
going to jump into what Jeremiahand his team are doing with a
(00:48):
ministry called OnSong, O N, S,O N, G, by the way, nerdy
question is the S capitalized?
Jeremiah Grube (00:59):
Yes, it is capitalized.
Dick Hardy (01:00):
Okay, see, I want to know I'm creative enough I know
that's going to happen there so,but I thought I really wanted to
have Jeremiah come on and justtalk to us. You know, what
happens... what happens onSunday morning with the worship
in preparation for the Word isso critical, yeah. And then what
(01:21):
happens during the week... inorder to make that happen on
Sunday, if you've been aroundchurch at all, you know, it's
during the week that prepares usfor Sunday, that worship, that
prepares us for the Word. So,Jeremiah, I'm just going to drop
a quarter in you and have youtalk to us about the genesis of
(01:43):
OnSong, how it came together,what exactly it is, and just
give us a tutorial on what weshould know about your ministry.
Jeremiah Grube (01:52):
Sure. Well, again, thanks for having us, and
was just an honor to be with youguys and so OnSong was created
by my friend Jason, and he's thefounder and lead developer of
it, and he was basically a longstory short, he was basically at
a worship worship team meeting,and this was before the iPad
(02:12):
came out. And he was basicallythe the worship leader said,
Hey, all these paper they hadeverywhere, and they all these
binders and all thesealphabetical order things, and,
and she basically was just like,hey, that that'd be great if
there was an app or somethinglike this, that we didn't have
to have all this paper. And itright, that at that moment,
Jason's wheel started to move.
And, and then she and then Jasonwas like, You know what? I
(02:35):
wonder if I can make an app forthat. And then the worship
leader says, No, I don't thinkyou could do that. And that
right, there was just enoughpoke in the bear, Jason. That's
all he needed. And he literallywent home that night, started
coding OnSong, and thenliterally had the code, some of
the code, already created, andhad to wait for the iPad, the
(02:55):
first ever iPad, to be deliveredto his house before we could
actually, you know, put ittogether and to and to make see
if this would be a resource forworship leaders. And so that was
a 2010, 11. And in 2012 it was,it was, it was up when the iPad
came out. We were one of thefirst 500 apps on the App Store
in 2012... when the iPad cameout. And thankfully, we can say
(03:20):
we're still around 11, 12, yearslater. And so I don't know how
many of the 500 are stillaround, but OnSong is definitely
is one of them. So it's been ahuge blessing. So basically, you
take all your paper charts youcan import from Song Select,
Praise Charts, PCO Music Stand,your own creative charts you
(03:41):
have on Dropbox, Google Drive.
You import them into OnSong, andyou view them on your iPad or
your iPhone, or now it's on thedesktop, even with Mac. So we
are iOS only. We are going tostart working on an Android
version of OnSong here in thenear future, so that everybody
with devices can use it, can useOnSong, but for the most part,
(04:02):
we're on iOS. Basically, iPad isthe main, the main thrust, of
what people view it on. You cantranspose on the fly. You can do
so many things with with yourcharts. But really for worship
leaders, we wanted to have anapp that basically you spend
less time working on thetechnical side of things, as far
as redoing charts and andredoing this, redoing that, and
(04:23):
spending more time inpreparation for the stuff that
really, in my opinion, matters,as far as preparation, as far as
being with your team,connecting, praying, asking God
to come, fill your fill Hispresence with with the services
and things that that are lesstechnical and so most, like I
said to you earlier, as like, wefind that 80% of people use 20%
(04:44):
of the app, and 20% of peopleuse 80% of the app. Well, I
think a majority of worshipleaders are the 80% that use 20%
of the app, and we're great withthat. So we're always trying to
evolve the app, and I have itjust here on my iPad right now.
It's like, like, "Stand in YourLove", there's a, there's a
that's basically what OnSonglooks like. I have it in low
light mode right there. And soyou just kind of scroll down
(05:07):
through to your songs. You canmake you can make notes on a
notepad there. You know that,"What a Beautiful Name" that's
been imported from a CCLI orPraise Chart right there. And so
you make a set list on the app,and then you can share them. You
can be in them. You can emailthem. You can get them to get
them to anybody that you need toin your band. And for the most
part, we don't have really hardnumbers on this, but we're 50%
(05:30):
of our users is house ofworship, and 50% of our users
are clubs, pubs, cruise ships,music therapists, ukulele groups
all over Hawaii, I mean, crazyplaces that people have used
OnSong. So, but really, theheart behind the heart behind
OnSong is to be a resource, atool for the local church. And
(05:50):
that's why, you know, we havegroup subscriptions for
churches, single subscriptionsthrough the App Store and things
like that. So it was birthed outof, out of wanting to be a
blessing to worship leaders sothat we wouldn't have to take
paper everywhere. When Istarted, actually with, well,
I've been a pastor for seven or20 years. I was a pastor before
(06:10):
I started working at OnSong, andover half that time was a
worship leader, and I traveledwith a guy by the name of Todd
White, and it was called Powerand Love Ministries and and
before the app came out, I wouldliterally have my suitcase full
of seven or eight packets ofmusic to go play with the house
band that I was going to playwith. I would maybe travel with
my drummer and acoustic or myguitar player, but I'd be going
(06:33):
going to places I've never beenbefore, pulling up shop and then
having a band in front of me.
And you know, I would have 45pounds and 25 pounds of it was
paper. So when I came back, Ihad a, you know, half my
suitcase wasn't there, so Iended up just using the app
right out of the gate. And itwas a huge blessing, because
they were all on the same pagewith me. I gave them the set
list ahead of time, all thekeys, all the notes, everything
(06:54):
I needed, even my littleannotations I had on there, they
all used it. And so, like it wasa one stop shop for me when I
went to these cities all allthroughout the United States.
And that's how I got hooked onOnSong myself. I was a power
user of it early on when I was apastor at Christ Community
Church here in in Camp Hill PA,and then on the road with it
during worship conferences. Andso I was using it, you know,
(07:17):
probably within the first sixmonths, and it revolutionized
how I led worship. I spend wayless time worrying about the
technical side, and more, youknow, with the Lord, with my
team, pastoring. And it just, itjust maximized my time so much
better.
Dick Hardy (07:36):
Yeah, wow, that is so good. So what would you guess
a a worship pastor or no, let'sgo to the lead pastor first.
Yeah, uh, we got a bunch of leadpastors who are watching this
podcast right now. So what wouldyou say to the lead pastor who
maybe isn't technically savvy onworship, he just knows, or she
(08:00):
knows they want good worship tolead into their message. Why
would you say? What would yousay to them to say why they
would want to get this for theirvolunteer worship leader, sure,
or their paid worship pastor?
Why should they do this?
Jeremiah Grube (08:15):
Yeah, there's multiple reasons. I think. I
think one of the reasons is andother apps might have had this
feature as well, but we reallyhone in on wanting to understand
the genre of what some of thesesongs are. So we'll take a we'll
take a key word like love orrepentance or forgiveness or
something like that, and youcould within the app one of the
features is you can, you canseparate out songs under those
(08:39):
type of categories and thosekind of themes and maybe even
messages and so, so, like, evenfor me, like, if we were, you
know, speaking on the Father'slove, and then the senior pastor
wanted a song about the Father'slove to close, close the message
with, I could go to my rolodexreal quick and say, Hey, there's
three songs right here. Two ofthem I know, one, I don't, and I
can, I can pull that up if I'm avolunteer on the fly, and I
(09:01):
didn't really have a serviceplanning meeting throughout the
week. On the flip side, if I wasa paid guy in there, then I
could recommend that on theservice planning sheet
throughout the week and say,hey, you know what "Goodness of
God" is something that I thinkwould really, really tie
together this your message, tietogether your notes at the end
of worship, and I would justsubmit that to the senior pastor
(09:21):
at the service planning meeting,and he could say, Hey, that's a
great idea, or let's findanother song. But it would be at
my fingertips that I could atleast do that instead of going
like this, or going back to mydesk, or going to the binders
and and, you know, things likethat. So one reason is that the
you have genres and you havethematic words that are being
(09:42):
created and generated andsearched on the search engine
throughout OnSong that makessomething on the fly easier. And
we all been... us worship guys,we've all been caught out to dry
with the guest speaker thatwe've never seen before, asking
us to do a song at the end ofthe service. And most times we
probably might not even know thesong. But if there's a way that,
there's a way that they give thetitle, and it jogs your memory
(10:06):
of something that you might beable to have in your Rolodex of
I have probably 700 songs overthe 20 years of leading worship.
So not that I remember all 700of them now, but I've done at
least 600 of them in 20 years,which is insane amount of
content. So, you have all yourcontent in the front row on your
iPad at a moment's notice, ifthe senior pastor turns to you,
Dick Hardy (10:27):
Well, that is that's a huge, a huge asset to have
that and not be caught. Yes, andplenty of worship leaders know
that feeling of, oh my goodness,what am I going to do? And
plenty of lead pastors know thatfeeling I'm asking for
something, and I can't get it.
And everybody's watching us. So,this is a huge, a huge thing for
(10:52):
people to to be able to tapinto. What about your...
Jeremiah Grube (10:59):
Let me say one thing about it. The other thing
about it is is outside of on thefly, on the the actual Sunday
morning or Sunday eveningservice, lot of senior pastors,
in my opinion, over the years,they actually just want you to
give them ideas. And as aworship leader, if you give them
ideas on how to land the plane.
That's actually what they'relooking for, because they have
(11:22):
focused so much time on their ontheir sermon and the content of
the sermon, I found most, sir,most senior pastors just, just
need a little bit of help on theback end, trying to, trying to
come up with a a creative butmeaningful and anointed way to
land the plane.
Dick Hardy (11:38):
Yeah, good. That is so good. What about the
volunteers on teams? So, whethera little bit larger, you got the
paid guy at the top oreverybody's volunteer, but
you've got this huge cadre ofpeople who give of themselves.
How does OnSong help them?
Jeremiah Grube (11:58):
Well, the best thing to do, in my opinion,
would be to get a the have thechurch person get a group
subscription through the throughan Apple ID account, and then
every person that has an iPadcould have OnSong and that they
would be able to again, thevolunteer would be able to use
it for free, because they wouldstill be under the account of
the of the church accountcreated in the Apple ID or off
(12:19):
of off the website, and sothey're able to take take real
time changes. They'll be able tosee the songs ahead of time.
They'll be able to know what keythe worship leader is doing them
in ahead of time. To me, thevolunteers and keys are always a
tricky thing. Volunteers don'tnecessarily always understand it
takes actual time to pick theright key that the worship
(12:43):
leader is doing the song inwhich then sets for the guitar
guy, it might knock him out ofbounds on a different fret
that's too high, too low, theyrun out of space. So there's
multiple variables that are inworship leading when you pick
songs and what keys pickingsongs is one thing, picking a
key is another. They're twodifferent things. So if you have
any of that information or thosecharts ahead of time, that just
(13:06):
helps you when you'repracticing, say, Wednesday
night, before the kids go tobed, you give it an hour or 30
minutes at your own whateverinstrument you're playing. You
can give it a run through,knowing the key, knowing the
recording, knowing what they'relooking for, and the leader can
actually send out the notes onthere and say, Hey, bass player,
I want you to make sure you makesure you play C over E, over
this part here, they can giveyou all that information ahead
(13:27):
of time, in real time, in anyway, even if they don't even
have an iPad, they can stillemail it to the person with the
information on the PDF. They getthe PDFs with all the stuff on
it. So, there's no way that,even if they don't have an iPad
or an iPhone, they're on theAndroid side of things, they can
still receive an email and getall the information from the
(13:47):
head guy or gal.
Dick Hardy (13:48):
Yeah, that is so good. Okay, so how would they
access this? Give us somemechanics here. You know, where
do they go? How do they do it?
What kind of cost is involved,that kind of stuff.
Jeremiah Grube (14:00):
Yeah. So, there's couple ways to do it.
You can go just flat, if you'reyour own musician, and you play
out and you have multiple bandsthat you're part of, or your
multiple worship bands thatyou're part of at different
churches, go to the App Storeand just look under OnSong on
the app store, and you wouldpurchase it under your Apple ID
account we have. It's $3 or$2.99 I'm sorry, $3.99 a month
(14:23):
for the essentials, which isn'tall the features, but for the
most part, is it gets peoplegoing at the cheapest cost that
we could do it at. So, it's $4 amonth there. Or you can get
premium, which is $5.99 it'sbasically $6 a month there. You
can purchase it annually to geta couple dollars savings off of,
(14:44):
off of purchasing it, purchasingit annually. But also, let me go
through I'm just gonna change myscreen here the pricing. If you
want to go to OnSongapp.com andsign up for for group
subscriptions, it's $240 for uptofive users and two devices.
Then $360 a year for up to 10users, which ends up being, you
(15:08):
know, even less than that, about$4 a user, or $3 a user. So
OnSongapp.com would be for thegroup subscriptions. And then,
if it's just you and your AppleID and the way that you're
playing in multiple bands,different things like that, just
go to the App Store. The appstore probably be the best way
to do it.
Dick Hardy (15:30):
Jeremiah, this has been just outstanding content,
really, in a different vein thana lot of our Church Tips podcast
interviews. I am so gratefulthat you've taken time to talk
with us. If someone's watchingthis and they haven't caught,...
they really haven't caught it,or maybe it's a blur. What is
one thing you say if you don'tremember anything else, remember
(15:51):
this that you'd want to say topastors and leaders?
Jeremiah Grube (15:55):
Sure. I mean, OnSong, again, it's just a
resource tool that takes yourpaper charts and it puts them
into an app. And everybodynowadays is pretty much flowing
with iPad or iPhone. Even thebigger iPhones now are being
used the Mac, iPad, I iPhone,Pro Max are being used for
OnSong. And I would say, hey,you know you don't want to do
long hand. You don't want tokeep going from the key of G to
(16:16):
the key of A and writing it outfor your band mates every time
check out OnSong. Check out howquickly, with a snap of your
finger, you can transpose from Gto A. You can import all your
content from Praise Charts, fromMusic Stand, from CCLI, all your
content that churches have outthere. You can import it through
OnSong. So it's really a onestop shop for your band, for
(16:38):
your team, and be able to justbe on the same page at a at a
higher rate. And, you know, in aday and age that we're all using
devices, we just encouragepeople to to use OnSong, to get
rid of paper. I mean, even wewere at a conference a couple
months ago it was a Baptistconference down in Nashville at
the big Bridgestone, BridgestoneArena, where the Predators play.
(17:01):
And this was a new people groupfor us, the Baptist
denomination, and a lot of themstill use paper. We were floored
that people would still be usingpaper today, but we were like,
Hey, we need to keep reachingthese, these people groups, as
far as knowing that they theydon't have to use paper anymore,
and once we expose them toOnSong and Praise Charts
together, that you could importthem together with those two
(17:23):
companies, that we blew theirmind. So that was, it was
beautiful, because they werelike, man, we spent all this
time doing long hand! They'reshowing me their binders that
are like, 30 years old with, youknow. And I'm like, this is
incredible. This is 2024 people,you know, like, this, right?
Okay, no, no judgment, but byall means, like, spend a cup of
(17:44):
coffee a month and get yourselfsome help!
Dick Hardy (17:47):
Yeah! Oh, man, oh, man, that is so good. Jeremiah,
I cannot thank you enough. Ireally, I can't thank you
enough, pastors, worshipleaders, lead, pastors, uh, team
leads. Feel free to, I mean,share this with friends. And I
(18:07):
gotta tell you, one of thethings I appreciated so much
early on in meeting you,Jeremiah, yeah, was your true
heart for ministry. You youreally want to help what happens
on Sunday morning. You know, Iuse the term doesn't sound very
spiritual, that's game day, andthat's where people are in the
the audience, the worship, isdrawing them into the presence
(18:31):
of the Lord. The Word is spokenthrough the pastor, and by the
end of the service, we praylives are changed. So what we've
just talked about the last10-15, minutes will help you do
that even better. So thank youagain.
Jeremiah Grube (18:45):
I appreciate it, and I always I appreciate that
comment. I view it as everySunday is somebody's first
Sunday there. And then, if I canmake that easier for them, and
they can enter into the presenceof God sooner and quicker, I'm
game.
Dick Hardy (19:02):
There you go. Thanks again. Very much, Jeremiah, and
thank you to you as the vieweror the listener to tuning to the
Church Tips podcast. We'll lookforward to seeing you in the
next one. Make it a great onetoday and be blessed.
Jonathan Hardy (19:15):
Hey, Jonathan, here real quick before you go,
everything in your ministryrises and falls on your
leadership. So investing in yourleadership is essential to
staying healthy and growing theministry, and that's why I want
to invite you to join us insidethe Leaders.Church membership.
This online streaming servicefor pastors, gives you access to
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(19:36):
to do that, I want to invite youto go to Leaders.church/boost.
Again, that'sLeaders.Church/boost. Well,
thanks again for joining us onthe Church Tips podcast. We'll
look forward to seeing you nexttime.
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