January 24, 2023 • 34 mins
Fear is a tool to help us sense and respond to danger, but fear can paralyze us. There are so many in the world suffering from anxiety, that can be life altering. These barriers can keep us from long lasting and true happiness.
But, overcoming fears is not easy.It can feel real and overwhelming.
Fear, whether it is coming from an outside force or internally, represents where we are needing growth.
When we have let this pain take over, we have trapped ourselves in a cycle of reactive thoughts or actions.
In this episode we explore how to restore calm and let our inner peace direct us back to proactive concrete feeling and actions. Learn how to cultivate your belief system that we have all the resources we need, if and when we need them.
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Fortune (00:04):
Welcome all to circuitry. It's time to ignite
your life. Join us as we explorethis episode's thought provoking
topic and what it means to usthrough everyday life challenges
and practical spiritual tools.
So let's start sharing.
Jean (00:18):
Hello, darling. Hello, darling. How are you today? I'm
good. I'm really good. Allright, I'm good, too. I'm being
fearless fearless. Because ourshow is on.
Fortune (00:32):
Fear, fear. Fear. Yeah, that was a, we've been putting
this one off for some reason.
What are we afraid of?
Everything and nothing? Nothing.
Jean (00:44):
So, what is fear fortune?
Or what are we going to talkabout today? Because this is a
big, it is big. And there's alot of different directions that
I would love to go into. Oh,please, go. Go go. I think first
of all, fear is an emotion.
Fortune (01:01):
No, what do you think?
I don't think it is? Well, Ithink it's a for me. I think
it's a controlling reactiveemotion it can be that can be
that can devastate me every day.
Yeah. But fear is really can bea positive thing. Fear is
actually a reactive part of yournature. That is to keep you from
danger. That's what fear isreally embedded in our brain for
(01:25):
is that you can sense danger andprotect yourself. That's what
it's an imminent thing. I mean,it's it's it's, you know, talks
about that intuition. Yeah,well, yeah. So it's actually
there are times where whenyou're feeling fear, okay. Your
body will actually release ahormone that does a lot of
things do you physically, inraises blood pressure? Yes, it
(01:48):
will shut down certain parts ofyour body. And you can be having
so much fear that it canactually control your ability to
feel pain. Yes. So there's allkinds of things that can happen.
It's not just mental and it'snot just emotional. It's
actually a physical,physical part of our makeup.
Right? So but when you put whenyou feel the fear, though, to
(02:10):
feel the fear, or the feardoesn't just is not like an
automatic, I guess it can beautomatic. If it's something
that you're like somethinghappens out of nowhere, or
something like that, right? Sothen you you get your you go
into fight or flight mode,you're like, I'm ready. What do
I need to do?
(02:33):
Well, I feel like sometimes whenwe're feeling like that, that
can be you're doing somethingout of fear. And it may not be a
good choice, because you'redelusional with the fear.
Jean (02:46):
Right? But is that fear?
Is that anxiety?
Fortune (02:50):
Oh, I think fear is attached to anxiety. I mean, I
feel like every time I'm gonnado a recording, yeah, not so
much the podcast, but we have torecord things I feel, you know,
I don't know, I feel like it'sfear. I feel like it's fear that
it's not going to turn out well,or, okay, I'm trying to digest
(03:11):
all of that, and trying to seewhere it's coming from, and why
I'm feeling that fear and, youknow, get to the root of it. And
I think that's a lot to do withfear, or know when we're feeling
it is to really see where it'scoming from. And I feel like
more and more. Yeah. Because Ihave the opportunity all the
time to work on it. Yes. Youknow, it's trying to think
(03:34):
about, okay, instead of thinkingabout the negative things that
come with the recording that Ifeel like, fail, you know, I
don't want to fail or I want todo a good job, I think about
more about what I have to share.
And when I put my thoughts inthat direction, that helps with
the fear of it. Alright. Well, Iguess that's, you know, I guess
(03:55):
you could take you could takeanxiety, and that is a extension
of fear. But fear is really aresponse to an imminent danger.
And anxiety is an anticipationof something.
Jean (04:13):
So you're anticipating your fear of heights, that's not
your you're anticipating thatthat's a phobia.
That's still a fear. Well, I'mclaustrophobic, okay. Okay. And
I can tell you that when I'mfeeling claustrophobia, it is it
feels real. I can't breathe. Ifeel like I gotta punch out. I
gotta get out of this elevator.
I get this stairway or there'stoo many people around me.
(04:35):
That's a definite What am I whatam I really fearing? There is no
imminent danger at that point.
But I am feeling an anxiety thatsomething bad could happen. So
I'm anticipating something tohappen, but it's not actually
real. Well, I feel like aphobias because I thought about
(04:55):
that as well. All the differentphobias you know, that we have,
and I feel
Fortune (05:00):
feel like no, I don't know. I'm not a doctor, and I'm
not a doctor. But I feel like itcould stem from a past life
events in your subconscious.
salutely. Sois there really a danger of
spiders? Or is there really adanger of you know, my niece
will tell you there is Yeah. Oh,yeah. I've been bitten. No,
(05:22):
she's never been okay. She'snever Oh, that that I know of
that's, I'm saying so you tellher there's a spider in the
room, she's going to go get, youknow, the army to come in here
and burn the house down, rightbugs or whatever. They're really
freaked out over that. But um,but really, you know, I mean, we
could pick up that bug. Andreally, if you take away the
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fear of it, it's nothing. Well,that's kind of you know what I
mean? So for one person, not oneperson can feel the fear and be
crazy over it, another personcan't No problem. That's why I
said it's probably something inthe subconscious that makes you
react in that way. Which Irealized that a lot of fear that
(06:04):
stems from different things, ishas to come from there. has to
come from there. Well, yeah, Iguess, I guess where it come
from comes from,
Jean (06:20):
in the moment is not as important as what you're
experiencing, I would, I wouldthink and how to deal with it.
Right at the moment, but we needto when we do get afraid of
something, we need to unpack it.
Okay. So like, there's there'ssome basic fears, everybody has
fear of failure, fear ofabandonment, yes, fear of death,
fear of commitment, commitment,all that the big losing, of
(06:44):
losing. So there's lots of like,basic ones that, you know, are,
are kind of we all they'realmost universal fears that
you've experienced in somedegree at some point of your
life, and maybe still haven't,maybe you've got no room. Right?
But so that's, I'm jumpingahead. So what is it you were
(07:04):
trying to make a point here, soyou are talking about where they
come from? Right. So right,right. And I think that's what
we have to battle, unpack whereyou know, something in your
subconscious is making you havethis fear, whether it's
abandonment, or whatever it iscommitment, whatever it is, it
has to do with something withinyou within your subconscious,
(07:26):
that is keeping you from ourfavorite thing going out of your
comfort zone. Whether it's, youknow, fear of action, you know,
you don't want to do it becauseyou want to stay safe. You know
what I mean? Or abandonmentkeeps you, you know, you don't
want to be abandoned, so keepsyou in situations that you
shouldn't maybe be in. But inorder to get at in order to free
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yourself from that fear. Youhave to unpack where that's
coming from. Oh, absolutely.
Because anytime you're feelingsomething like fear, okay,
anything that is a negative,that's keeping you from taking
going forward in any way, right?
Is a disconnect. You aredisconnected with your
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certainty, right? You'redisconnected with the Light of
the Creator, your faith, yourwhatever, because you are
letting the paralyzing emotionsor instincts take over and shut
you down. Right? And you don'tbelieve that good can come out
of this situation, you are sobusy anticipating all the things
(08:34):
that could go wrong, that that'swhere the energy goes. And it's
really important to say likeyou're saying, we have to
somehow figure out a way whenwe're feeling fear, to refocus
and say okay, so what why isthat there? If it's not out,
like that's what I was trying tokind of establish right? Fear is
(08:54):
an imminent danger. It's animminent danger. And that fear
is good, that fear is therebecause it can actually save
your life. Okay, or save thelives of someone around you.
Right? buttoning, but a fearthat kind of goes into an
anxiety that is it is almostlike something that keeps
pounding at your brain you can'tfigure out why why am I even
afraid of this? It's illogical.
I don't I don't get it. Right.
(09:16):
Those are the those are thetypes of fears like what that as
you're sitting here when I'msaying I'm afraid to you know,
I'm getting so crazy aboutrecording you're like, I don't
get it. You know, like you don'tunderstand it because you're not
having that feeling. Well, Iknow there's a delete button to
flip.
Fortune (09:35):
But to flip what you're just talking about is I think we
create our fears because we havemistrust negative thoughts and
lack of circuitry, certainty,right. It shows wherever we need
growth or transformation, right.
So when so when we're not havingall those things, then we create
the fear. You know what I mean?
(09:56):
We create our own fear. Yes,because we create our own
Reality? Yes, we do.
Jean (10:04):
All right. So why do you think we do that?
Fortune (10:10):
Because it's bringing us it's bringing it right into
our face. Because it's somethingwe need to work on. It's
something we need to avoid. Whydo you think we we cultivate the
fear?
Because we're not trustingbecause we're not connecting?
You know, when? No, that's theoutcome. Why are we cultivating
the fear?
Jean (10:29):
The outcome is because we use what you just said, but it's
not. That's not why we sit thereand go, Oh, my God, I'm afraid
of might do to bees or, youknow, I don't like onions, or,
you know, it's a pools freak meout for some reason, you know,
and so we build it up, we buildit up, we build it up. Why do we
(10:50):
build it up? Instead of tryingto?
You know, this man Hamid down,right, right, right, right now?
And here's the answer. Nobody'sgonna like this answer. Sorry,
you go. Yes. And that's a hardone, because people go, you
know, and anybody out there, I'mnot, you know, judging anybody.
(11:14):
Anybody doing that? Is ego,because it's you. It's, it's a
need for validation andattention. There's something
this is about me, it's about me.
So anytime you were, you'regoing, Oh, I'm so I have such a
fear of whatever it is. Andyou're ramping that up. You're
not? You're not sharingsomething of yourself to share,
(11:36):
you're sharing to receivesomething back?
Fortune (11:42):
All right. Well, that's what I'm saying. So when I put
my thoughts into I
Jean (11:47):
just lost a lot of listeners, go ahead. No, no, no,
no, no, no, I'm showing you put,you're not trying to be negative
about trying to be honest. It'sjust like,
Fortune (11:53):
what you're just saying what I just said about the
recording, when I shift mythinking to how I am sharing
with others. When I take mythinking out of the ego, you're
absolutely right. Because whenI'm nervous about recording,
it's all ego. It's all like, Oh,my goodness, I'm gonna be a
failure at this, or I'm gonnalook bad, or I'm looking
Jean (12:13):
for some type of, you know, like, support me in this
or an ego. Like, what I'm tryingto separate here. Is that
absolutely right about this, youknow, it's, it's, everybody does
this, and sometimes we do, we doseek and we do need somebody to
say it's okay. Okay, or I'm withyou. I support you. Yes, that's
all okay. I'm talking about whenwe hurt hyper focus, and we're
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not looking to get over it.
Fortune (12:39):
Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying. You got to find the
root of your fears and work onthose issues. And then you can
literally remove the fear. Ifeel like the more I do the
recording, I'm getting better,aren't I? Absolutely. I'm
getting, I used to get likesweaty hands, shake all over and
whatever. And it's involuntary.
It's like I'm saying to myself,why is this? Well,
Jean (13:02):
the funny thing is, if we can use this as an example, if
you don't mind. Okay, so your
Fortune (13:07):
landlord again? No. I love being in my underwear.
Jean (13:12):
But you never had a fear of us just getting on the mics
and talking like this now. Butas soon as I put a script in
front of you, yeah. Or I said,you know, you became conscious
of what you were doing. Right?
Fortune (13:24):
Because I have the confidence in what's in my head.
Yes. Put
Jean (13:27):
it out there. Right. So but you were not prepared to I'm
not an act. I'm Yeah. Yes. Andbe an announcer or, you know,
Fortune (13:36):
you but it's pushing me out of my comfort zone. I mean,
we had to do a lot of recordingall of our social media, all
that that was like a totaljourney for me. And it's really
helped me I have to say, becauseit's like you said, I have to
take the focus off of me. Andthink about what how it's
helping others. And then, youknow, redirect my brain, you
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know, I mean,
Jean (14:01):
well, when we let the pain of the fear take us over, okay,
right. Then we are we are doingwhat we are only reacting,
reacting, there's no proactiveaction, right? You're not
connected to the universe,you're not connecting to the
light. You're not saying I'mgoing to take that positive
step. So that's why I'm sayingyou need to refocus when those
(14:22):
things are happening to you. AndI'm not saying I hate when
people say, well get over it.
I'm not telling anybody to justget over it. I'm saying, like
you said earlier, we need todive deeper. It's a process and
we need to go through a process.
It's it's you some things that Ifind helpful when I have a fear
is, you know me, I like to knowevery detail about everything.
(14:45):
Yeah, but that's me. So that'show I cope with it. I'll go
okay, what's the worst thingthat can happen here? Right And
okay, if that were to happen,then what would I do? Right? And
that's Something that's helpedme in the past. But lately, I
try and say, I try and get tothe point. And it is a process
(15:08):
of going, I don't need to worryabout that. I just put it in the
hands of the Creator, and it'sall okay. Well, like we keep
reading. I know, wait, I knowthat at the moment, or I need to
do something, I will have theresources to do it. Right. I was
just gonna say, Yeah,
Fortune (15:22):
we keep reiterating this fact that we need to stay
in the present. Right? Yeah. Andyou know, there's no yesterday,
there's no tomorrow, we have tostay in the present. And that
helps us to focus on, you know,what we need to focus on. And,
and facing it. Facing the fear?
Well, we talked about, likeyou're saying, we talked
Jean (15:43):
about this last episode, which, by the way, great episode
with with Susan on the show, andI can't wait to have our next
guest on We haven't decided whothat is. But it was it was
really an insightful episode,because we talked about getting
to the root of it. Right. Andthat's everything. Yeah, you
know, and that's, that can besaid for this too. And it is,
where is it coming from? And itmay or may not go? Oh, well,
(16:05):
I've realized it was when Ilived a life in the 16th
century, I was, you know, thatyou may never get that kind of
an insight, but you will get aninsight that it's not coming for
anything I've experienced here.
Right. So it's kind of, youknow, it feels real, but it
might be a little irrationalthat I even have this fear,
because nothing has everhappened to me in this life that
I can call, right that. And eventhat can be that can be calming.
Fortune (16:32):
Yes. To know that there's a reason for Right?
Jean (16:34):
Or to know, there's no reason for it. Like, I don't
even understand why I have thisfear. Right. So what am I
actually really freaking outabout, right? You know, so okay,
like, I have a fear of a bug. Sowhat is the real fear about is
it you know, like,
Fortune (16:50):
it's crazy, right?
Right. It's a crazy thing,
Jean (16:52):
where does it come from?
So you may not be able to saywhere it comes from, but you can
examine all of the feelings youhave about it, right?
Fortune (17:00):
Well, we give power to the fear, right? And that's very
easy to do, though, it is verydifficult to take back the
challenge, take back to get backand just say I, that's a bug,
and I'm just gonna I could pickit up by its leg. If it crawls
all over me, it's fine. I couldjust brush it off. But really,
the thought of that is like, Oh,my goodness, oops.
Jean (17:23):
So even though it's intellectual, when you're going
through that process of tryingto figure out, it actually
brings you to the emotions thatare causing you to have the
reactive, you know, negativeemotions and to go you know
what? Gosh, I like phobias, youyou can't go through that
process. I mean, you can alittle bit it can help you get
(17:43):
through it. You know, whereyou're going, okay, really?
Okay. Like, we were talking theother day about this comment.
But what I'm talking about, itmay not be in the moment where
you're having the feeling,feeling, it kind of can be
difficult if somebody's justtelling you. There's nothing
wrong here, which Oh, yeah, no,that doesn't do that. That
doesn't help. But to dobreathing exercises, when it's
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happening to kind of reassureyourself or reach out to someone
and let them know, I'm, I'mhaving a bad moment here. Can
you help me through this? Right?
You know, because you're wantingto get through it, you're
wanting to get over it. Sosomeone might tell you something
that's very helpful at thatpoint. And we all have messages
to give each other all the time.
(18:27):
Yes, yes. So
Fortune (18:28):
yes. Well, I think like, if you see somebody I
wrote down some things, helpingothers with fear, you know, you
can distract them, you canredirect the conversation,
because if someone is reallyhaving a hard time, they just
need to maybe redirect theirthoughts for a minute to come
out of it. Well, the other thingI'm gonna say with it, because
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it's sometimes it grows, youknow, yeah. Well like to pull
off the bandage, you know, sothey're so afraid, and you just
say, you know, just pull it off,you know, just get it over with,
you know, yeah. And then theysee that it wasn't so bad after
right,
Jean (19:03):
the pain or the answer is, whatever your answer. That's
what I'm saying. It's ananticipatory thing. You're
anticipating this, right. It'snot an imminent danger, if we
met and why bring it up is notto put anybody what they're
feeling down, it's to help usethat as a tool to kind of go in
that moment. Go, you know, what,I'm really anticipating
something that may or may nothappen, and it probably won't
(19:25):
happen. Right. Right. You know,so,
Fortune (19:29):
I mean, I love Tom Petty. Well, I'm just saying
most of the things that I worryabout never happen anyway.
Right? Exactly. But to besupportive to somebody Oh, of
course, you know, just to getthem to not think about it for
the moment and like to just takesometimes I'm saying the power
grows, grows rose, so you needsomething to diminish it, you
(19:50):
know, making them laugh orsomething like to get their head
out of there. And then move on.
You know, we have a with thekids all the time. Kids have a
lot of fear of things orwhatever. Well, I
Jean (19:59):
think we have Have more fear these days just in general.
And I'm gonna bring up part ofthis that I don't know if you
were gonna go there or not. Butthere is our culture cultivates
fear, constantly. Yes, we have amedia that is 24/7. That is
available on radio tennety alsomiracle. Yeah, it's everything
(20:22):
that could go wrong might isprobably going wrong right this
minute and it is also generatingthat feeling of having a
heightened sense, then you needto be aware of it. Because if
you were to turn this off, youdon't know what's going on out
there. Right. That's why I hatethe
Fortune (20:39):
news. And
Jean (20:40):
it scares people and it brings about a disconnect. In
our society. Yes, it also is incommercialism.
Fortune (20:50):
The fear. Well, look at me, I mean, I'm reading a book,
right. And I just told you, Iwas like on edge. You know what
I mean? Because I was like,freaking out about it or
whatever it suspenseful, it'swhatever. And it's bringing up
all those feelings. Is thathappening right now? No, no,
Jean (21:05):
but what I'm talking about is, this is something that's
dangerous. Um, I'm just gonnasay it, too, to be constantly
being told that it's alleditorialized it's all opinion
generated. I mean, I miss thedays of Uncle Walter Cronkite
coming on, yes, I am that old.
And, and this is the way it wastoday. And now you go figure out
(21:26):
what that means. Here's thefacts. Right. And now you can
disassemble that in your mindand develop your own opinion.
Instead of somebody telling youwhat your opinion should be? Or
how you should be afraid of theother guy. Right? Or how you
should be anticipated taking anaction. Right that like, it's on
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bias, right. So we don't havethat now. And it affects. I'm
not just saying it affects uswhen we're listening to us, it
affects us as a society in everything we do. Yeah, because we
are acting, we can't go throughthe airport. Okay. All you hear
is alerts, alerts. Okay? And didyou pack your own bag, and do
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you know, the person standingnext to you bag down, it
separates us, that's notunifying us in any way. And I'm
not saying we should not takeaction, that there could be a
terrorist threat or there couldbe something happened, that is a
proactive thing. But puttingenergy out there, that is just
earful making you afraid ofsomething that you might not
have even thought about or maybereally isn't, but they'll take
(22:34):
one little thing that's goingon, and they'll blow it out of
proportion to the point whereyou're going, Oh, my God, could
that happen? Right? Our kids arescared to death to go to school,
right? Because there is a realthreat of gun violence. But it
doesn't help like that. It's allover the media. Right? And it's
not happening to them at thatmoment. And I'm not saying there
(22:58):
shouldn't be drills andpreparation to prepare in case
if something were to happen. ButBut anybody with a mindset and
anxiety, it's terrible for them,
Fortune (23:09):
right? Well, it's just like, you know, tornadoes,
hurricanes, all those things,all the bad things, you know,
they have to prepare for it. Andmaybe you will never ever
happen, you know, so? I don'tknow. I don't know. That's what
I started to really get freakedout about is Yes. Our reality.
(23:30):
Like, what about our reality?
Okay, so we have some are thenew generation. Okay, well,
yeah, I guess we've gone throughsome of it or whatever, but it's
very virtual. Everything isvirtual, you know, you can just
put on a pair of goggles orwhatever, and just be in a
different world and you want tostay there. Well, you might not
want to stay in there, if itcauses you fear or, you know,
(23:53):
sadness or whatever. But guesswhat, you could just take off
the goggles. So how, how true isthat in our own life?
Jean (24:05):
No, it's It's, it's a great example, we can just take
off the goggles, but we rathergo
Fortune (24:13):
this is all reality.
This is reality. Right? It'sreal. Yeah. So this I know, this
gets a little bit deep here andall that but I just feel like we
can create whatever we want. Andas long as we have the tools to
like, Okay, you want to build ahouse, you know, you need wood,
you need nails, you need ahammer, you know what I mean?
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You as long as you have thetools to create that vision or
whatever you want, you can do itand when the challenges come,
okay, you also have to have thetools to take those challenge
those things out. You know whatI mean? Well, there's a big
there's a big blockage that Ican't build right here. I need a
shovel to dig it out a big rockor something I need to show able
(24:58):
to dig it out and get rid of it,maybe use it for the front for
landscaping. You know, I mean,like,
Jean (25:05):
I know, I'm using this practical solution to whatever,
whatever
Fortune (25:08):
the challenge is, right. So I feel like, as we're
doing these podcasts, we keepunpacking more tools, and more
real life situations that we canreally work on every day as they
come into our life. So we can bemore peaceful, be more trusting,
(25:29):
have more certainty, all ofthose things, but the fear
definitely is a challenge. Andit's definitely a challenge for
me. You know, I know, I get itall the time, you know, to stay
in your comfort zone, but you'renot gonna grow. If you're in
that comfort zone you need.
That's what comfort zone meanswill absolutely something that
you're afraid of.
Jean (25:50):
And do you know it? Again, there's no snapping our fingers.
There's no just get over it.
There's no snap out of it. Butthere is, like we we've talked
about, there are baby steps, orgiant leaps. You can take Yes,
whatever you're prepared forwherever you're at with that
particular thing. And if you cantake any action, yes, the
(26:11):
smallest action, right to evenjust acknowledge it right to get
through. Right? You're takingthe time to not be robotic,
right? And I'm just going to beafraid of this. No, you got your
realigning yourself, you'resaying Nope. Let me let's go
deeper. Let's figure this out. Idon't want to live like this
anymore. I don't want to havethat fear, or I don't want to
(26:33):
have that hesitation. I want tounderstand and grow and
overcome, right. And every daythat we can do that.
Fortune (26:45):
It is so easy to like you just need to align, you just
need to get clear. Once you getclear, you can do anything.
You're invincible. Once you getclear, well, there's once you
get connected, it changeseverything. You know, it can
change
Jean (27:03):
everything. But we also have to acknowledge that
everybody's in a different placeand dentists to and yes, it is
possible. And I think that'simportant that everybody knows
it is possible,
Fortune (27:12):
not saying 24/7 No, I'm saying moments. Yes,
Jean (27:15):
yes. But everybody's at a different degree of what they're
ready to do or not doing. Andthat's just, you know, that's
Fortune (27:22):
human nature. Right?
Yeah. Well, so I think it'simportant for us to find out
about ourselves, be curiousabout our so what were you going
to you we were talking beforethe show? Yes.
Jean (27:35):
So I'm gonna, you were saying, Oh, I was gonna talk
about that. But I'm not going totalk about it until we get on
the mics. What was that about?
Well,
Fortune (27:41):
I was just saying it's the same about the reality about
the dimensions about thedifference of that you can just
jump to another reality, if youwant to. Yeah, but a lot of
times we want to stay in,because we don't know how. And I
feel like when we realign whenwe see when we you know dive
(28:03):
deep into what is it aboutourselves? That is making us
feel like this, we can changeit?
Jean (28:11):
Well, I'm gonna say something that's a little
vulnerable. And, and, and you westarted talking about something
and it was about talking aboutwhat is the veil between
different dimensions, right. AndI don't talk about it all the
time. But I do have the abilityto see different things. And I
do have the ability to connectwith right spirit, spirit and
(28:33):
write, you know, messages andthings like that. And that's,
you know, that's a differenttime to talk about those things.
But But what I'm saying is,there have been times where I
have experienced something. Andsomebody's actually asked me for
help to help him. Help thembecause they're experiencing
something right, a disturbanceor something's happening in
(28:53):
their life. And can you connectto this and tell me what it is?
Or feel it or right, get rid ofit? Or whatever it is. And I
don't have any fear for thosethings. Right. And I've watched
people around me grown mencrumble when something you know,
paranormal is happening. And Iam like, I have no right no
(29:17):
fear, no fear, right? BecauseI'm I guess why I'm bringing
this up is that, like, you'resaying, take the goggles off
when you know what you'redealing with. And you really can
see what it is. I could see it.
This person can't see it. Right.
Exactly. And I cannot only seeit, but I can feel it. And I can
say you're not stronger than meor you're not. I'm connected
(29:39):
with the Light of the Creator.
Nothing is more powerful thanthat.
Fortune (29:42):
Right? Right. Right. So that's your challenge at that
moment to do that.
Jean (29:46):
Right. But what I'm saying is is but but somebody who can't
see it, right? They'reanticipating something is
freaking them out. Right,
Fortune (29:54):
right. Right. The lights are flickering, that's
all sudden freezing cold in theroom. You don't know why things
like that. but are happeningthat's a
Jean (30:01):
dimension that they're not used to. So maybe that is maybe
we're onto something here. Maybethat's what fear in this
dimension can be. It's likewe're we haven't maybe it's not
something we've experiencedbefore. Maybe it's something
we've never experienced before.
And it's unknown.
Fortune (30:18):
Yeah. Well, the unknown that what would happen, that is
scary. Yeah. Well, that's one ofthe things to diminish fear is
to have no expectation, whatyou're talking about, like, I'm
not thinking about what thisthing can do to me or whatever,
I have no expectation. So thisway, therefore, there's no fear.
(30:38):
You know what I mean? So butit's hard to do that, you know,
it also accepting the realitybrings down the fear, you know,
you've accepted it. So now, youhave nothing to be afraid of,
you know, I mean, I accept thatthere's a spider crawling there.
And if I get a broom and sweepit out the door, it's gone. And
that's it. It's done. It's over.
You know what I mean? But forsomebody else, you know, it
(31:03):
could be such a boulder, youknow, but all you have to do is
go get to shuffle.
Jean (31:09):
Well, yeah, I was making a joke about I need help. I mean,
whatever. And she would come.
Sorry, if you're listening. No,not you her. Seat her. She looks
like it's okay. She andhopefully you're laughing right
now. But like she would call shewould pay my daughter $5 To get
rid of a bug a bug? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. And it would be like, Ishould come screaming or she was
(31:31):
really feeling and I'm notmaking fun of what she was
feeling. But I would go rushingin there. And this, the spider
or the creature would be, youknow, not even the size of my
thumbnail. And I'd be like, Thisis what you're afraid now.
Right? Exactly. But in thatmoment, I now she was genuinely,
Fortune (31:48):
my sister jumped out of a moving van. Because there was
a bug on the floor once. I'llnever forget it. She and she
opened the door. Wow, I couldn'tbelieve it. Wow. I mean, it
wasn't going that fast. Butstill she was so she was so
afraid. Yeah. And she would puther life in danger jumping out
of the van, jumping out of thecar. Right, rather than have
(32:08):
that was crawl on her. So. And Ithink that,
Jean (32:15):
but there can control you know, and it's like we were
talking about the media returnwhatever it is, that is when the
when the negative emotion iscausing you to be reactive. That
is when you know you're in thedanger zone, and you have
something to work on. Yes. Oreducate yourself on or go
(32:38):
through the all of the steps tocut it go. Where's that coming
from? Or how can I? How can Icalm that down? How can I work
through it? Who can support mein this? Yes,
Fortune (32:48):
yes, yes, yes. And I think that the message here is
to take that fear and transformit into a blessing by using your
intuition. Like you just said,Yeah, you know what I mean? Take
it and change it. It's justenergy. You know, I mean, it's
just you're putting out someenergy. So take that bad energy,
and transform it into somethingthat can be good. But you have
(33:11):
to get to what the reason, youknow, why am I feeling like
that? And like you said, mostlikely, it has to do with our
ego, it's always, you know,called the monster or whatever
you want to call it or theadversary, whatever. It will be
Jean (33:28):
opponent. It's what you have to you have to personally
internally battle mentallybattle. And like to say, this is
not really this is not reallyhappening. So how can I how can
I get back in the driver's seat?
Fortune (33:42):
Well, the only ways to align yourself with your higher
self, your higher self. So canwe agree that that is the
definite avenue to come out ofour fears?
Jean (33:56):
Well, I think we all need to work on it. Yes. But yes, we
can agree. We can agree. So ifanybody is, has some fear
stories, or how they got overit, or you know, things they're
working on, or share, share withus and write us, you know, you
can message us through socialmedia. We are always loving to
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Jean (00:18):
Hello, darling. Hello, darling. How are you today? I'm
good. I'm really good. Allright, I'm good, too. I'm being
fearless fearless. Because ourshow is on.
Fortune (00:32):
Fear, fear. Fear. Yeah, that was a, we've been putting
this one off for some reason.
What are we afraid of?
Everything and nothing? Nothing.
Jean (00:44):
So, what is fear fortune?
Or what are we going to talkabout today? Because this is a
big, it is big. And there's alot of different directions that
I would love to go into. Oh,please, go. Go go. I think first
of all, fear is an emotion.
Fortune (01:01):
No, what do you think?
I don't think it is? Well, Ithink it's a for me. I think
it's a controlling reactiveemotion it can be that can be
that can devastate me every day.
Yeah. But fear is really can bea positive thing. Fear is
actually a reactive part of yournature. That is to keep you from
danger. That's what fear isreally embedded in our brain for
(01:25):
is that you can sense danger andprotect yourself. That's what
it's an imminent thing. I mean,it's it's it's, you know, talks
about that intuition. Yeah,well, yeah. So it's actually
there are times where whenyou're feeling fear, okay. Your
body will actually release ahormone that does a lot of
things do you physically, inraises blood pressure? Yes, it
(01:48):
will shut down certain parts ofyour body. And you can be having
so much fear that it canactually control your ability to
feel pain. Yes. So there's allkinds of things that can happen.
It's not just mental and it'snot just emotional. It's
actually a physical,physical part of our makeup.
Right? So but when you put whenyou feel the fear, though, to
(02:10):
feel the fear, or the feardoesn't just is not like an
automatic, I guess it can beautomatic. If it's something
that you're like somethinghappens out of nowhere, or
something like that, right? Sothen you you get your you go
into fight or flight mode,you're like, I'm ready. What do
I need to do?
(02:33):
Well, I feel like sometimes whenwe're feeling like that, that
can be you're doing somethingout of fear. And it may not be a
good choice, because you'redelusional with the fear.
Jean (02:46):
Right? But is that fear?
Is that anxiety?
Fortune (02:50):
Oh, I think fear is attached to anxiety. I mean, I
feel like every time I'm gonnado a recording, yeah, not so
much the podcast, but we have torecord things I feel, you know,
I don't know, I feel like it'sfear. I feel like it's fear that
it's not going to turn out well,or, okay, I'm trying to digest
(03:11):
all of that, and trying to seewhere it's coming from, and why
I'm feeling that fear and, youknow, get to the root of it. And
I think that's a lot to do withfear, or know when we're feeling
it is to really see where it'scoming from. And I feel like
more and more. Yeah. Because Ihave the opportunity all the
time to work on it. Yes. Youknow, it's trying to think
(03:34):
about, okay, instead of thinkingabout the negative things that
come with the recording that Ifeel like, fail, you know, I
don't want to fail or I want todo a good job, I think about
more about what I have to share.
And when I put my thoughts inthat direction, that helps with
the fear of it. Alright. Well, Iguess that's, you know, I guess
(03:55):
you could take you could takeanxiety, and that is a extension
of fear. But fear is really aresponse to an imminent danger.
And anxiety is an anticipationof something.
Jean (04:13):
So you're anticipating your fear of heights, that's not
your you're anticipating thatthat's a phobia.
That's still a fear. Well, I'mclaustrophobic, okay. Okay. And
I can tell you that when I'mfeeling claustrophobia, it is it
feels real. I can't breathe. Ifeel like I gotta punch out. I
gotta get out of this elevator.
I get this stairway or there'stoo many people around me.
(04:35):
That's a definite What am I whatam I really fearing? There is no
imminent danger at that point.
But I am feeling an anxiety thatsomething bad could happen. So
I'm anticipating something tohappen, but it's not actually
real. Well, I feel like aphobias because I thought about
(04:55):
that as well. All the differentphobias you know, that we have,
and I feel
Fortune (05:00):
feel like no, I don't know. I'm not a doctor, and I'm
not a doctor. But I feel like itcould stem from a past life
events in your subconscious.
salutely. Sois there really a danger of
spiders? Or is there really adanger of you know, my niece
will tell you there is Yeah. Oh,yeah. I've been bitten. No,
(05:22):
she's never been okay. She'snever Oh, that that I know of
that's, I'm saying so you tellher there's a spider in the
room, she's going to go get, youknow, the army to come in here
and burn the house down, rightbugs or whatever. They're really
freaked out over that. But um,but really, you know, I mean, we
could pick up that bug. Andreally, if you take away the
(05:44):
fear of it, it's nothing. Well,that's kind of you know what I
mean? So for one person, not oneperson can feel the fear and be
crazy over it, another personcan't No problem. That's why I
said it's probably something inthe subconscious that makes you
react in that way. Which Irealized that a lot of fear that
(06:04):
stems from different things, ishas to come from there. has to
come from there. Well, yeah, Iguess, I guess where it come
from comes from,
Jean (06:20):
in the moment is not as important as what you're
experiencing, I would, I wouldthink and how to deal with it.
Right at the moment, but we needto when we do get afraid of
something, we need to unpack it.
Okay. So like, there's there'ssome basic fears, everybody has
fear of failure, fear ofabandonment, yes, fear of death,
fear of commitment, commitment,all that the big losing, of
(06:44):
losing. So there's lots of like,basic ones that, you know, are,
are kind of we all they'realmost universal fears that
you've experienced in somedegree at some point of your
life, and maybe still haven't,maybe you've got no room. Right?
But so that's, I'm jumpingahead. So what is it you were
(07:04):
trying to make a point here, soyou are talking about where they
come from? Right. So right,right. And I think that's what
we have to battle, unpack whereyou know, something in your
subconscious is making you havethis fear, whether it's
abandonment, or whatever it iscommitment, whatever it is, it
has to do with something withinyou within your subconscious,
(07:26):
that is keeping you from ourfavorite thing going out of your
comfort zone. Whether it's, youknow, fear of action, you know,
you don't want to do it becauseyou want to stay safe. You know
what I mean? Or abandonmentkeeps you, you know, you don't
want to be abandoned, so keepsyou in situations that you
shouldn't maybe be in. But inorder to get at in order to free
(07:49):
yourself from that fear. Youhave to unpack where that's
coming from. Oh, absolutely.
Because anytime you're feelingsomething like fear, okay,
anything that is a negative,that's keeping you from taking
going forward in any way, right?
Is a disconnect. You aredisconnected with your
(08:13):
certainty, right? You'redisconnected with the Light of
the Creator, your faith, yourwhatever, because you are
letting the paralyzing emotionsor instincts take over and shut
you down. Right? And you don'tbelieve that good can come out
of this situation, you are sobusy anticipating all the things
(08:34):
that could go wrong, that that'swhere the energy goes. And it's
really important to say likeyou're saying, we have to
somehow figure out a way whenwe're feeling fear, to refocus
and say okay, so what why isthat there? If it's not out,
like that's what I was trying tokind of establish right? Fear is
(08:54):
an imminent danger. It's animminent danger. And that fear
is good, that fear is therebecause it can actually save
your life. Okay, or save thelives of someone around you.
Right? buttoning, but a fearthat kind of goes into an
anxiety that is it is almostlike something that keeps
pounding at your brain you can'tfigure out why why am I even
afraid of this? It's illogical.
I don't I don't get it. Right.
(09:16):
Those are the those are thetypes of fears like what that as
you're sitting here when I'msaying I'm afraid to you know,
I'm getting so crazy aboutrecording you're like, I don't
get it. You know, like you don'tunderstand it because you're not
having that feeling. Well, Iknow there's a delete button to
flip.
Fortune (09:35):
But to flip what you're just talking about is I think we
create our fears because we havemistrust negative thoughts and
lack of circuitry, certainty,right. It shows wherever we need
growth or transformation, right.
So when so when we're not havingall those things, then we create
the fear. You know what I mean?
(09:56):
We create our own fear. Yes,because we create our own
Reality? Yes, we do.
Jean (10:04):
All right. So why do you think we do that?
Fortune (10:10):
Because it's bringing us it's bringing it right into
our face. Because it's somethingwe need to work on. It's
something we need to avoid. Whydo you think we we cultivate the
fear?
Because we're not trustingbecause we're not connecting?
You know, when? No, that's theoutcome. Why are we cultivating
the fear?
Jean (10:29):
The outcome is because we use what you just said, but it's
not. That's not why we sit thereand go, Oh, my God, I'm afraid
of might do to bees or, youknow, I don't like onions, or,
you know, it's a pools freak meout for some reason, you know,
and so we build it up, we buildit up, we build it up. Why do we
(10:50):
build it up? Instead of tryingto?
You know, this man Hamid down,right, right, right, right now?
And here's the answer. Nobody'sgonna like this answer. Sorry,
you go. Yes. And that's a hardone, because people go, you
know, and anybody out there, I'mnot, you know, judging anybody.
(11:14):
Anybody doing that? Is ego,because it's you. It's, it's a
need for validation andattention. There's something
this is about me, it's about me.
So anytime you were, you'regoing, Oh, I'm so I have such a
fear of whatever it is. Andyou're ramping that up. You're
not? You're not sharingsomething of yourself to share,
(11:36):
you're sharing to receivesomething back?
Fortune (11:42):
All right. Well, that's what I'm saying. So when I put
my thoughts into I
Jean (11:47):
just lost a lot of listeners, go ahead. No, no, no,
no, no, no, I'm showing you put,you're not trying to be negative
about trying to be honest. It'sjust like,
Fortune (11:53):
what you're just saying what I just said about the
recording, when I shift mythinking to how I am sharing
with others. When I take mythinking out of the ego, you're
absolutely right. Because whenI'm nervous about recording,
it's all ego. It's all like, Oh,my goodness, I'm gonna be a
failure at this, or I'm gonnalook bad, or I'm looking
Jean (12:13):
for some type of, you know, like, support me in this
or an ego. Like, what I'm tryingto separate here. Is that
absolutely right about this, youknow, it's, it's, everybody does
this, and sometimes we do, we doseek and we do need somebody to
say it's okay. Okay, or I'm withyou. I support you. Yes, that's
all okay. I'm talking about whenwe hurt hyper focus, and we're
(12:37):
not looking to get over it.
Fortune (12:39):
Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying. You got to find the
root of your fears and work onthose issues. And then you can
literally remove the fear. Ifeel like the more I do the
recording, I'm getting better,aren't I? Absolutely. I'm
getting, I used to get likesweaty hands, shake all over and
whatever. And it's involuntary.
It's like I'm saying to myself,why is this? Well,
Jean (13:02):
the funny thing is, if we can use this as an example, if
you don't mind. Okay, so your
Fortune (13:07):
landlord again? No. I love being in my underwear.
Jean (13:12):
But you never had a fear of us just getting on the mics
and talking like this now. Butas soon as I put a script in
front of you, yeah. Or I said,you know, you became conscious
of what you were doing. Right?
Fortune (13:24):
Because I have the confidence in what's in my head.
Yes. Put
Jean (13:27):
it out there. Right. So but you were not prepared to I'm
not an act. I'm Yeah. Yes. Andbe an announcer or, you know,
Fortune (13:36):
you but it's pushing me out of my comfort zone. I mean,
we had to do a lot of recordingall of our social media, all
that that was like a totaljourney for me. And it's really
helped me I have to say, becauseit's like you said, I have to
take the focus off of me. Andthink about what how it's
helping others. And then, youknow, redirect my brain, you
(13:58):
know, I mean,
Jean (14:01):
well, when we let the pain of the fear take us over, okay,
right. Then we are we are doingwhat we are only reacting,
reacting, there's no proactiveaction, right? You're not
connected to the universe,you're not connecting to the
light. You're not saying I'mgoing to take that positive
step. So that's why I'm sayingyou need to refocus when those
(14:22):
things are happening to you. AndI'm not saying I hate when
people say, well get over it.
I'm not telling anybody to justget over it. I'm saying, like
you said earlier, we need todive deeper. It's a process and
we need to go through a process.
It's it's you some things that Ifind helpful when I have a fear
is, you know me, I like to knowevery detail about everything.
(14:45):
Yeah, but that's me. So that'show I cope with it. I'll go
okay, what's the worst thingthat can happen here? Right And
okay, if that were to happen,then what would I do? Right? And
that's Something that's helpedme in the past. But lately, I
try and say, I try and get tothe point. And it is a process
(15:08):
of going, I don't need to worryabout that. I just put it in the
hands of the Creator, and it'sall okay. Well, like we keep
reading. I know, wait, I knowthat at the moment, or I need to
do something, I will have theresources to do it. Right. I was
just gonna say, Yeah,
Fortune (15:22):
we keep reiterating this fact that we need to stay
in the present. Right? Yeah. Andyou know, there's no yesterday,
there's no tomorrow, we have tostay in the present. And that
helps us to focus on, you know,what we need to focus on. And,
and facing it. Facing the fear?
Well, we talked about, likeyou're saying, we talked
Jean (15:43):
about this last episode, which, by the way, great episode
with with Susan on the show, andI can't wait to have our next
guest on We haven't decided whothat is. But it was it was
really an insightful episode,because we talked about getting
to the root of it. Right. Andthat's everything. Yeah, you
know, and that's, that can besaid for this too. And it is,
where is it coming from? And itmay or may not go? Oh, well,
(16:05):
I've realized it was when Ilived a life in the 16th
century, I was, you know, thatyou may never get that kind of
an insight, but you will get aninsight that it's not coming for
anything I've experienced here.
Right. So it's kind of, youknow, it feels real, but it
might be a little irrationalthat I even have this fear,
because nothing has everhappened to me in this life that
I can call, right that. And eventhat can be that can be calming.
Fortune (16:32):
Yes. To know that there's a reason for Right?
Jean (16:34):
Or to know, there's no reason for it. Like, I don't
even understand why I have thisfear. Right. So what am I
actually really freaking outabout, right? You know, so okay,
like, I have a fear of a bug. Sowhat is the real fear about is
it you know, like,
Fortune (16:50):
it's crazy, right?
Right. It's a crazy thing,
Jean (16:52):
where does it come from?
So you may not be able to saywhere it comes from, but you can
examine all of the feelings youhave about it, right?
Fortune (17:00):
Well, we give power to the fear, right? And that's very
easy to do, though, it is verydifficult to take back the
challenge, take back to get backand just say I, that's a bug,
and I'm just gonna I could pickit up by its leg. If it crawls
all over me, it's fine. I couldjust brush it off. But really,
the thought of that is like, Oh,my goodness, oops.
Jean (17:23):
So even though it's intellectual, when you're going
through that process of tryingto figure out, it actually
brings you to the emotions thatare causing you to have the
reactive, you know, negativeemotions and to go you know
what? Gosh, I like phobias, youyou can't go through that
process. I mean, you can alittle bit it can help you get
(17:43):
through it. You know, whereyou're going, okay, really?
Okay. Like, we were talking theother day about this comment.
But what I'm talking about, itmay not be in the moment where
you're having the feeling,feeling, it kind of can be
difficult if somebody's justtelling you. There's nothing
wrong here, which Oh, yeah, no,that doesn't do that. That
doesn't help. But to dobreathing exercises, when it's
(18:07):
happening to kind of reassureyourself or reach out to someone
and let them know, I'm, I'mhaving a bad moment here. Can
you help me through this? Right?
You know, because you're wantingto get through it, you're
wanting to get over it. Sosomeone might tell you something
that's very helpful at thatpoint. And we all have messages
to give each other all the time.
(18:27):
Yes, yes. So
Fortune (18:28):
yes. Well, I think like, if you see somebody I
wrote down some things, helpingothers with fear, you know, you
can distract them, you canredirect the conversation,
because if someone is reallyhaving a hard time, they just
need to maybe redirect theirthoughts for a minute to come
out of it. Well, the other thingI'm gonna say with it, because
(18:49):
it's sometimes it grows, youknow, yeah. Well like to pull
off the bandage, you know, sothey're so afraid, and you just
say, you know, just pull it off,you know, just get it over with,
you know, yeah. And then theysee that it wasn't so bad after
right,
Jean (19:03):
the pain or the answer is, whatever your answer. That's
what I'm saying. It's ananticipatory thing. You're
anticipating this, right. It'snot an imminent danger, if we
met and why bring it up is notto put anybody what they're
feeling down, it's to help usethat as a tool to kind of go in
that moment. Go, you know, what,I'm really anticipating
something that may or may nothappen, and it probably won't
(19:25):
happen. Right. Right. You know,so,
Fortune (19:29):
I mean, I love Tom Petty. Well, I'm just saying
most of the things that I worryabout never happen anyway.
Right? Exactly. But to besupportive to somebody Oh, of
course, you know, just to getthem to not think about it for
the moment and like to just takesometimes I'm saying the power
grows, grows rose, so you needsomething to diminish it, you
(19:50):
know, making them laugh orsomething like to get their head
out of there. And then move on.
You know, we have a with thekids all the time. Kids have a
lot of fear of things orwhatever. Well, I
Jean (19:59):
think we have Have more fear these days just in general.
And I'm gonna bring up part ofthis that I don't know if you
were gonna go there or not. Butthere is our culture cultivates
fear, constantly. Yes, we have amedia that is 24/7. That is
available on radio tennety alsomiracle. Yeah, it's everything
(20:22):
that could go wrong might isprobably going wrong right this
minute and it is also generatingthat feeling of having a
heightened sense, then you needto be aware of it. Because if
you were to turn this off, youdon't know what's going on out
there. Right. That's why I hatethe
Fortune (20:39):
news. And
Jean (20:40):
it scares people and it brings about a disconnect. In
our society. Yes, it also is incommercialism.
Fortune (20:50):
The fear. Well, look at me, I mean, I'm reading a book,
right. And I just told you, Iwas like on edge. You know what
I mean? Because I was like,freaking out about it or
whatever it suspenseful, it'swhatever. And it's bringing up
all those feelings. Is thathappening right now? No, no,
Jean (21:05):
but what I'm talking about is, this is something that's
dangerous. Um, I'm just gonnasay it, too, to be constantly
being told that it's alleditorialized it's all opinion
generated. I mean, I miss thedays of Uncle Walter Cronkite
coming on, yes, I am that old.
And, and this is the way it wastoday. And now you go figure out
(21:26):
what that means. Here's thefacts. Right. And now you can
disassemble that in your mindand develop your own opinion.
Instead of somebody telling youwhat your opinion should be? Or
how you should be afraid of theother guy. Right? Or how you
should be anticipated taking anaction. Right that like, it's on
(21:49):
bias, right. So we don't havethat now. And it affects. I'm
not just saying it affects uswhen we're listening to us, it
affects us as a society in everything we do. Yeah, because we
are acting, we can't go throughthe airport. Okay. All you hear
is alerts, alerts. Okay? And didyou pack your own bag, and do
(22:12):
you know, the person standingnext to you bag down, it
separates us, that's notunifying us in any way. And I'm
not saying we should not takeaction, that there could be a
terrorist threat or there couldbe something happened, that is a
proactive thing. But puttingenergy out there, that is just
earful making you afraid ofsomething that you might not
have even thought about or maybereally isn't, but they'll take
(22:34):
one little thing that's goingon, and they'll blow it out of
proportion to the point whereyou're going, Oh, my God, could
that happen? Right? Our kids arescared to death to go to school,
right? Because there is a realthreat of gun violence. But it
doesn't help like that. It's allover the media. Right? And it's
not happening to them at thatmoment. And I'm not saying there
(22:58):
shouldn't be drills andpreparation to prepare in case
if something were to happen. ButBut anybody with a mindset and
anxiety, it's terrible for them,
Fortune (23:09):
right? Well, it's just like, you know, tornadoes,
hurricanes, all those things,all the bad things, you know,
they have to prepare for it. Andmaybe you will never ever
happen, you know, so? I don'tknow. I don't know. That's what
I started to really get freakedout about is Yes. Our reality.
(23:30):
Like, what about our reality?
Okay, so we have some are thenew generation. Okay, well,
yeah, I guess we've gone throughsome of it or whatever, but it's
very virtual. Everything isvirtual, you know, you can just
put on a pair of goggles orwhatever, and just be in a
different world and you want tostay there. Well, you might not
want to stay in there, if itcauses you fear or, you know,
(23:53):
sadness or whatever. But guesswhat, you could just take off
the goggles. So how, how true isthat in our own life?
Jean (24:05):
No, it's It's, it's a great example, we can just take
off the goggles, but we rathergo
Fortune (24:13):
this is all reality.
This is reality. Right? It'sreal. Yeah. So this I know, this
gets a little bit deep here andall that but I just feel like we
can create whatever we want. Andas long as we have the tools to
like, Okay, you want to build ahouse, you know, you need wood,
you need nails, you need ahammer, you know what I mean?
(24:35):
You as long as you have thetools to create that vision or
whatever you want, you can do itand when the challenges come,
okay, you also have to have thetools to take those challenge
those things out. You know whatI mean? Well, there's a big
there's a big blockage that Ican't build right here. I need a
shovel to dig it out a big rockor something I need to show able
(24:58):
to dig it out and get rid of it,maybe use it for the front for
landscaping. You know, I mean,like,
Jean (25:05):
I know, I'm using this practical solution to whatever,
whatever
Fortune (25:08):
the challenge is, right. So I feel like, as we're
doing these podcasts, we keepunpacking more tools, and more
real life situations that we canreally work on every day as they
come into our life. So we can bemore peaceful, be more trusting,
(25:29):
have more certainty, all ofthose things, but the fear
definitely is a challenge. Andit's definitely a challenge for
me. You know, I know, I get itall the time, you know, to stay
in your comfort zone, but you'renot gonna grow. If you're in
that comfort zone you need.
That's what comfort zone meanswill absolutely something that
you're afraid of.
Jean (25:50):
And do you know it? Again, there's no snapping our fingers.
There's no just get over it.
There's no snap out of it. Butthere is, like we we've talked
about, there are baby steps, orgiant leaps. You can take Yes,
whatever you're prepared forwherever you're at with that
particular thing. And if you cantake any action, yes, the
(26:11):
smallest action, right to evenjust acknowledge it right to get
through. Right? You're takingthe time to not be robotic,
right? And I'm just going to beafraid of this. No, you got your
realigning yourself, you'resaying Nope. Let me let's go
deeper. Let's figure this out. Idon't want to live like this
anymore. I don't want to havethat fear, or I don't want to
(26:33):
have that hesitation. I want tounderstand and grow and
overcome, right. And every daythat we can do that.
Fortune (26:45):
It is so easy to like you just need to align, you just
need to get clear. Once you getclear, you can do anything.
You're invincible. Once you getclear, well, there's once you
get connected, it changeseverything. You know, it can
change
Jean (27:03):
everything. But we also have to acknowledge that
everybody's in a different placeand dentists to and yes, it is
possible. And I think that'simportant that everybody knows
it is possible,
Fortune (27:12):
not saying 24/7 No, I'm saying moments. Yes,
Jean (27:15):
yes. But everybody's at a different degree of what they're
ready to do or not doing. Andthat's just, you know, that's
Fortune (27:22):
human nature. Right?
Yeah. Well, so I think it'simportant for us to find out
about ourselves, be curiousabout our so what were you going
to you we were talking beforethe show? Yes.
Jean (27:35):
So I'm gonna, you were saying, Oh, I was gonna talk
about that. But I'm not going totalk about it until we get on
the mics. What was that about?
Well,
Fortune (27:41):
I was just saying it's the same about the reality about
the dimensions about thedifference of that you can just
jump to another reality, if youwant to. Yeah, but a lot of
times we want to stay in,because we don't know how. And I
feel like when we realign whenwe see when we you know dive
(28:03):
deep into what is it aboutourselves? That is making us
feel like this, we can changeit?
Jean (28:11):
Well, I'm gonna say something that's a little
vulnerable. And, and, and you westarted talking about something
and it was about talking aboutwhat is the veil between
different dimensions, right. AndI don't talk about it all the
time. But I do have the abilityto see different things. And I
do have the ability to connectwith right spirit, spirit and
(28:33):
write, you know, messages andthings like that. And that's,
you know, that's a differenttime to talk about those things.
But But what I'm saying is,there have been times where I
have experienced something. Andsomebody's actually asked me for
help to help him. Help thembecause they're experiencing
something right, a disturbanceor something's happening in
(28:53):
their life. And can you connectto this and tell me what it is?
Or feel it or right, get rid ofit? Or whatever it is. And I
don't have any fear for thosethings. Right. And I've watched
people around me grown mencrumble when something you know,
paranormal is happening. And Iam like, I have no right no
(29:17):
fear, no fear, right? BecauseI'm I guess why I'm bringing
this up is that, like, you'resaying, take the goggles off
when you know what you'redealing with. And you really can
see what it is. I could see it.
This person can't see it. Right.
Exactly. And I cannot only seeit, but I can feel it. And I can
say you're not stronger than meor you're not. I'm connected
(29:39):
with the Light of the Creator.
Nothing is more powerful thanthat.
Fortune (29:42):
Right? Right. Right. So that's your challenge at that
moment to do that.
Jean (29:46):
Right. But what I'm saying is is but but somebody who can't
see it, right? They'reanticipating something is
freaking them out. Right,
Fortune (29:54):
right. Right. The lights are flickering, that's
all sudden freezing cold in theroom. You don't know why things
like that. but are happeningthat's a
Jean (30:01):
dimension that they're not used to. So maybe that is maybe
we're onto something here. Maybethat's what fear in this
dimension can be. It's likewe're we haven't maybe it's not
something we've experiencedbefore. Maybe it's something
we've never experienced before.
And it's unknown.
Fortune (30:18):
Yeah. Well, the unknown that what would happen, that is
scary. Yeah. Well, that's one ofthe things to diminish fear is
to have no expectation, whatyou're talking about, like, I'm
not thinking about what thisthing can do to me or whatever,
I have no expectation. So thisway, therefore, there's no fear.
(30:38):
You know what I mean? So butit's hard to do that, you know,
it also accepting the realitybrings down the fear, you know,
you've accepted it. So now, youhave nothing to be afraid of,
you know, I mean, I accept thatthere's a spider crawling there.
And if I get a broom and sweepit out the door, it's gone. And
that's it. It's done. It's over.
You know what I mean? But forsomebody else, you know, it
(31:03):
could be such a boulder, youknow, but all you have to do is
go get to shuffle.
Jean (31:09):
Well, yeah, I was making a joke about I need help. I mean,
whatever. And she would come.
Sorry, if you're listening. No,not you her. Seat her. She looks
like it's okay. She andhopefully you're laughing right
now. But like she would call shewould pay my daughter $5 To get
rid of a bug a bug? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. And it would be like, Ishould come screaming or she was
(31:31):
really feeling and I'm notmaking fun of what she was
feeling. But I would go rushingin there. And this, the spider
or the creature would be, youknow, not even the size of my
thumbnail. And I'd be like, Thisis what you're afraid now.
Right? Exactly. But in thatmoment, I now she was genuinely,
Fortune (31:48):
my sister jumped out of a moving van. Because there was
a bug on the floor once. I'llnever forget it. She and she
opened the door. Wow, I couldn'tbelieve it. Wow. I mean, it
wasn't going that fast. Butstill she was so she was so
afraid. Yeah. And she would puther life in danger jumping out
of the van, jumping out of thecar. Right, rather than have
(32:08):
that was crawl on her. So. And Ithink that,
Jean (32:15):
but there can control you know, and it's like we were
talking about the media returnwhatever it is, that is when the
when the negative emotion iscausing you to be reactive. That
is when you know you're in thedanger zone, and you have
something to work on. Yes. Oreducate yourself on or go
(32:38):
through the all of the steps tocut it go. Where's that coming
from? Or how can I? How can Icalm that down? How can I work
through it? Who can support mein this? Yes,
Fortune (32:48):
yes, yes, yes. And I think that the message here is
to take that fear and transformit into a blessing by using your
intuition. Like you just said,Yeah, you know what I mean? Take
it and change it. It's justenergy. You know, I mean, it's
just you're putting out someenergy. So take that bad energy,
and transform it into somethingthat can be good. But you have
(33:11):
to get to what the reason, youknow, why am I feeling like
that? And like you said, mostlikely, it has to do with our
ego, it's always, you know,called the monster or whatever
you want to call it or theadversary, whatever. It will be
Jean (33:28):
opponent. It's what you have to you have to personally
internally battle mentallybattle. And like to say, this is
not really this is not reallyhappening. So how can I how can
I get back in the driver's seat?
Fortune (33:42):
Well, the only ways to align yourself with your higher
self, your higher self. So canwe agree that that is the
definite avenue to come out ofour fears?
Jean (33:56):
Well, I think we all need to work on it. Yes. But yes, we
can agree. We can agree. So ifanybody is, has some fear
stories, or how they got overit, or you know, things they're
working on, or share, share withus and write us, you know, you
can message us through socialmedia. We are always loving to
hear feedback as all of you allright.
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