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September 2, 2025 60 mins

We rejoin Herman Daly in the  late 1970s - a tumultuous time for our renegade economist.  Partnering with theologian John Cobb Jr., Daly began to rebuild economics from the ground up, reframing it around values, community, and the planet that sustains us.

Woven through this intellectual journey are stories of faith, family, and friendship that helped Daly persevere. We hear how he sparked a global community of scholars and inspired whole new movements, ranging from wellbeing and regenerative economics to the circular economy and doughnut economics.

Featured in this episode:

Gaya Herrington, Wellbeing economist & thought leader

Jennie King, Senior Fellow at ISD

Peter Victor, Ecological economist & author of Herman Daly’s Economics for a Full World

Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Global Ambassador for The Club of Rome

Robert Costanza, Ecological economist

Terri Daly Stewart, Senior Occupational Therapist, and Herman and Marcia’s eldest daughter

Karen Daly Junker, Senior Manager of Provenance Research at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, and Herman and Marcia’s youngest daughter

Brian Czech, Executive Director of CASSE

Rob Dietz, Program Director at the Post-Carbon Institute and co-host of Crazy Town

Colvis Cavalcanti, Ecological economist

Katy Shields, Regenerative economist, and co-creator/host of Tipping Point

Katherine Trebeck, Political economist

Thank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story, and to Barbara Barros, C40 Global Head of Adaptation Finance, for voicing Marcia Daly’s email in this episode.

Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.

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Writing and executive production by Peggy Whitfield.

Narrative and communications support by Chiara Morfeo.

Produced by Jess Schmidt: https://jessdoespodcasting.com/

Edited by Morgane Chambrin: https://www.morganechambrin.com/

Music by Lorna Gilfedder: https://origamipodcastservices.com/

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