012: Let's Get Metaphysical // with Sara R. Reeves

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Sara Reeves, the former resident psychic and educator from the Night Owl podcast joins us to share the wisdom she has garnered from her interactions with the other side. As the founder of 'The Metaphysical U' and the voice behind the 'MP Unleashed' podcast, Sara recounts the critical moments that shaped her path and offers insights into embracing our intuitive selves.

 Sara tells stories of unusual happenings within her home, and we discuss the significance of acknowledging young family members with psychic gifts. This episode is not only about recognizing our own abilities but also about the support systems that help us navigate them.

During our chat with Sara, we delve into the practicalities of connecting with spirit guides, fostering mental well-being, and the intricacies of teaching psychic skills. Whether you're looking to better understand your own experiences or to develop latent abilities, Sara Reeves is a lighthouse guiding you through the mystical fog.

To learn more about Sara, find a mediumship course, or book a reading:
https://www.metaphysicalu.com/ 

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:08):
Way.
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Good afternoon, good evening,good morning.

Frank (00:22):
In that order.

Lauren (00:23):
All of those, hello, hello.
Well, it's another day.

Frank (00:32):
It's another comfortable intro from Frank and Lauren.

Lauren (00:37):
It's another day in the Leon household.

Frank (00:39):
Sure is, covid strikes again, again.
Guess what I'm up for?

Lauren (00:44):
What.

Frank (00:45):
Four.
This is number four.
This is round four for me.

Lauren (00:48):
Yeah, I think round I don't have it, so this one's not
on me.

Frank (00:54):
Look at, she just rubs it in my face.

Lauren (00:56):
I don't know, maybe I'm still immune.
Anyway, hello everyone.
We've got a fun show today.

Frank (01:04):
Man, she sells it.
Listen up, we've got a specialone today.
This is this one's a big dealto me.
I had the nervous sweats.
Full disclosure.
You did, I did.

Lauren (01:13):
Frank walked away sweating for sure.

Frank (01:16):
It was either COVID or just my nervousness.

Lauren (01:18):
Yeah, I think you were excited.
He's a fan.

Frank (01:20):
I'm a big fan.
I'm a big fan.

Lauren (01:22):
I am too.

Frank (01:23):
You are now.

Lauren (01:24):
Yes.

Frank (01:26):
We had Sarah R Reeves on the show and had a great
conversation.
Sarah is probably made popularfrom the podcast called the
Night Owl podcast.
The Night Owl podcast is kindof like a ghost hunting show,
except for it's a podcast and ifit were a show it would have

(01:47):
been the best show.
That's a ghost hunting showthat I've ever seen, but it's a
podcast and Sarah for a whilewas the resident psychic and oh
man, like the show itself isamazing and the host, steven,
does an incredible job and Irecommend it to anybody who's
interested in any of theparanormal stuff.
But Sarah's participation on itwas just a pleasure.

(02:07):
She was kind of like bringingin the big guns and she just her
approach to talking to spiritsand stuff.
She just has a.
She has a very strong commandof the field.

Lauren (02:17):
She's like having conversations Like okay, well,
what are you doing here?
No, you're going to talk to me.
It's so awesome.
Yeah, I'm much further behindfrom Frank.
Frank is like very caught upwith that podcast.

Frank (02:30):
Very caught up.

Lauren (02:31):
I'm not, but I became an immediate fan.
So, yeah, she's no longer onthat podcast.
She is doing her own stuffbecause she's a badass.

Frank (02:41):
Yeah, sarah started her own metaphysical school.
Yeah, for psychic training,called the metaphysical you.

Lauren (02:47):
Yeah, she's teaching intuition, development and
mediumship.

Frank (02:51):
And I think she kind of helped us along the way too.

Lauren (02:53):
I think so.

Frank (02:54):
And then she also has her own podcast called MP Unleashed
, where she hosts it alongsidesome of the other practitioners
at metaphysical you.

Lauren (03:03):
Yeah, she's so cool.

Frank (03:05):
I need to like listen to her insight again because
hearing it the first time, I waslike, oh, I need to take all of
this in and so I took notes thefirst time around while we were
talking to her, and then I tooknotes again while I was editing
, because I'm like this is somegood stuff, yeah, and also I
might have cut it out, but herhusband, renee, made a sneak
appearance during the interview,which I was very excited

(03:27):
because he also is someone whoshowed up on the night owl
podcast.
So I hope you enjoy it, lauren.
Any final words before we getinto it.

Lauren (03:35):
Enjoy Sarah Reeves.

Frank (03:38):
Enjoy.
Sarah Reeves, we did, sarahReeves.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.

Sara (03:45):
Of course, thank you for having me.
I appreciate you guys reachingout.

Frank (03:48):
Full disclosure because I haven't already said it, even
though we've been talking forlike five minutes or something.
But you are to me, you are likean A list celebrity.
I, like am a giant, giant fan.
I listened to Thank you, yeah,I listened to all of the night
owl podcast and I feel like thatreally gave me a little bit and
idea of your, how you've grownas a medium and you've helped me

(04:09):
personally.
You've shown me how to not beafraid of the unknown and, like
through you, I've really seenhow spirits really are just
people and you have to set yourboundaries, just like you would
with the living and all that.
It's been an absolute pleasureto hear you work.

Sara (04:24):
That's wonderful.
I'm just, I'm just glad you'releaning into your intuition, so
that's that's good.

Lauren (04:29):
Anything I can do to help for that, that's that's
fabulous Frank's always beensuch a fan of, you know,
listening to anything paranormal.
And there was a shift all of asudden.
You actually you were like okay, I don't, I know what you're
saying.
I don't feel that scaredSpirits are just people and it
seems like they're everywhere,kind of like got this

(04:51):
conversation going in the lastlike six months, along with,
like, our family, one of ourfamily members, experiencing
something that we were like.
Let's dive a little deeper.

Frank (05:02):
Right.

Lauren (05:03):
I like it.

Frank (05:04):
So, if you don't mind, can you?
Can you tell us about yourselfand and how you got started?
I feel like I'm somewhatfamiliar.
But for those of you, for thoseout there who aren't super mega
fans like myself, Well, itdepends on what point in time
you want to.

Sara (05:17):
you want to say, got started.
So I've been pretty much doingthis right, whatever my living,
in my intuition for like since Iwas born, right, since I was
little.
It's just that you know when,when we have children, the life
does not become ours anymore,and so parts of myself just kind
of like not necessarily forgotabout the fact that I could do
this.
It just wasn't important, right, it wasn't the priority, one of

(05:39):
things that was just trying tokeep my kids alive, which was,
which was nice.
And then you know, flying ontuition that's kind of where you
are, where you're just tryingto stay awake and stay alive.
You know where your kids aretoddlers and like all these
weird things are going on andyou're trying to figure yourself
out.
And then you know I, my husband,actually kicked all of this off
, so it wasn't really me.
He reached out to an occultteam to come out and investigate

(06:03):
our house because we startedhaving so many very unusual
issues, to the point where mydaughter, who's not a not she
will openly be like, no, I don'twant to deal with this stuff,
like I'm not a sensitive person.
She was having experiences thatshe couldn't deny Something's
happening.
We need to fix this, all right.
So he reached out.

(06:23):
You know, I thought it wasextreme on my husband's part to
be like we need to get, you know, some some form of ghost
busters right and into our houseand get this stuff.
And you know, steven's teamcame in right.
So it was at the time they werein a cult team and it was
basically the whole same teamfrom the podcast, right, it was
before he even got married.
So it was like one of thoseweird things that I met them
like right when they were, youknow, going to get married and

(06:44):
stuff.
So it was real fun.
That's awesome and it was ablessing and a curse right, like
that whole meeting.
It was just kind of like oh,it's not your house, it's you,
so thank you for your life out.
Okay, thanks Bye.
And so he left.
You know, he left me with someinformation and a really good
you know good contact, andAlexis has always been really
great about you know sharinginformation and things and where

(07:06):
I could go you know to.
And then it just kind of kickedin and I went wait, wait, wait,
wait.
I had to go back to my familybecause I know that we all
believe in this stuff.
And then there's you knowhistory of the things that we
could do, you know, prior to us,right Generations before us.
And then it just kickedeverything off Right.
Five years later, steven waslike let's do this thing,
tricked me Right, never say yestook up a coffee with Steven,

(07:31):
apparently, yeah, there's alwayssomething to it.

Lauren (07:34):
So you, you, there were, you were experiencing things in
your house and this team waslike no, it's actually.
You are attracting like spiritsto you, like that's your.

Sara (07:44):
That's your, yeah, it's your fault.
I was like oh okay, well, letme own that Right.

Lauren (07:50):
Thanks, was your husband like oh great.

Sara (07:54):
Sarah, he was just, you know he was, he was he's always
been a big fan of the paranormaland the unexplained.
You know, that's not something.
That was which I think I gotreally lucky in, because when I
talked to a lot of my thestudents that I have and people
that have come to me, they comefrom places where they don't
have that right, they don't havethat support system, right, but
either believe them or inhiding, or essentially right.
Then we in the ghost protectionprograms, right.

(08:15):
So we, you know, we together asa couple kind of just were like
okay, this is a thing, right,like this is the thing that I've
got to figure out how to do.
And then it just kind of likeclicked because he was like, you
know, you do a lot of weird.
You know, there are all theweird things that you do and
there's a lot of weird thingsthat he does too.
Right, it's that I'm, you know,I'm aware of.
I'm like, oh, he has this magicbutton that does stuff, and it

(08:38):
was really just being able toput, you know, labels and names
and understanding behind it.
That kind of drove us forward,right.
So it was, it's good that I hada partner that didn't think I
was crazy.

Frank (08:48):
Yeah, I wish Lauren had that.
Unfortunately, her partnerfeels like she's crazy.

Lauren (08:58):
It's true.

Frank (08:59):
If it's not too personal, like what kind of stuff was
going on around your house.

Sara (09:03):
So my house is in the perfect space of weird thing
that can weird things can happenin our house.
So we're backed up against acreek.
There's a creek behind ourhouse.
We've got like a.
A lot of you know critters andthings that kind of run around
so we have a lot of nature stuffthat's going in and it's a
really strange close to ahistorically monumental part of

(09:24):
our city.
So when we first got the housethere were already things that
were happening.
My husband was like, at thetime we got it, I was overseas
and I didn't even know what thehouse looked like.
Right, he picked it out, so Iwas overseas and he was kind of
moving us in and he said he, hewas like I don't know, like the,
I would come and nothing wasfine, everything was fine,

(09:46):
nothing was on and all of asudden the burners in the
kitchen would be like bright red, like the coils would be bright
red.

Frank (09:51):
Oh my gosh.

Sara (09:53):
And he was like I don't.
He would go and look and isthere an electrical thing?
Right, he's against a new house.
They didn't tell us you know,we're you know something
electrical?
And nope, he would turneverything off.
And it wasn't like the stovesthat you can just like click it
open, it was like push down,turn right.
It was not a right.
So he was like that's just odd.
Yeah, it's really odd.

(10:14):
And when I came, I showed upmaybe a couple of weeks after
they were moving in and was homealone because we
miscommunications, right, and Igot to the house before he did
and I was like this is our house, this is really nice.
And he's like just go in, youknow, break in through the back,
it's open, right, like thatkind of stuff where we are.
That's not it.
I had to be like this is myhouse and so, you know, walking

(10:39):
in, I could feel like I don'tknow how to explain it.
I could feel the house Like Icould feel the house asking who
the fuck Like that was like yeah, oh, simba, I'm one of the
other.
You know, I'm married to thedude that's been running around
here for the last two weeks,right, and I remember just kind

(11:00):
of walking and almost knowingwhere others were in the home,
like I wasn't there by myselfand I just kind of was like okay
, well, you know, I had to, kindof like I'm you want to show me
around and I kind of really letmyself be led through the house
as I was just kind ofdiscovering stuff and not really

(11:22):
understanding why I was doingit.
I just knew that I had to do it.
So then, you know, we escalateda few years later and my son
was in Healy's, if you guysremember that.
Oh yeah, and the Healy's allaround the garage floor, right,
he was just having a wonderfultime going around the circles
and he goes whoa, it's kind ofstops, and he's in the middle of
the garage and we both run inbecause we thought maybe he fell

(11:42):
or maybe he, you know,something fell on him or
something.
And he was like there was alittle boy in here.
And I was like what?
Because he was a little boy inhere, I swear, and you know he
gave us this whole description.
He's like five years old, right, Five years old.
And I said well, I said okay,you know, whatever, you know it
was, it's cool.

(12:02):
And then come to find out thatthis little boy was very
predominant in our house and Iwould see him very often,
because I would always mistakehim for either my son or a
friend of my son, Right, like ohmy gosh.
But your friend went home right,Like that kind of stuff.
And I was like what is going on?
And he tended to, you know,loom and play in my son's
bedroom, turn things on, turnthings off, right Stuff like

(12:24):
that.
In the back when we first movedin there was there's a
homestead like a largerhomestead behind us and that
lady passed away and she made itvery clear that she was going
to be roaming at a property.
So sometimes when we would besitting outside we would see her
or I would say I would see herand go did you see that lady?
I would tell my husband did yousee this lady?
No, I don't, I don't see.

(12:45):
I'm like I'm telling you.
And then as it kind of escalated, it escalated to like things
just opening and closing ontheir own.
You know, sometimes we wouldwalk in kitchen cabinets, it all
.
It looked like somebodyinvisible would walk in open
kitchen cabinets, close themLike they were cooking or
something right.
You could see the kind ofprogression of the things that

(13:06):
were going on and it was likeokay, and I think the straw that
broke the camel's back when itwas like really bad, I was
sitting in the couch in the waythat it's kind of set up.
I can see from the living room.
I can see it left kitchen anddining room and then I was
watching TV, hanging out withone of our dogs he was sitting
in my lap, you know, just kindof like chilling.

(13:27):
And my husband turned thecorner of the hallway, saw us
both look up towards the kitchendoor.
The kitchen door open.
We followed whatever it wasthat came in, the garage door
opened, closed, and then we justwent right back to watching TV.
I was like, oh my God, I waslike oh my God, oh my God.

Frank (13:52):
Yeah, don't mind me.

Sara (13:53):
Like I think we need to get some help.

Frank (13:57):
Oh my, God, that's wild so anything from you know.

Sara (14:01):
things moving around sounds doors opening, closing on
their own electrical issues, Imean just like anything you name
it it was probably having inthe house was insane Wow.

Frank (14:12):
So once you started, like leaning into your abilities and
trying to fire them back upagain, well, what was that
process like?

Sara (14:20):
That process sucked.
Oh no, and it was because thereare so many.
You know, I'm gonna try to putit nicely because I'm part of
the boat, right, like so I'm notpart of that boat, but I'm part
of some of the boat.
There were so many people outthere that are really in this to
make money and they're notreally in this to help you

(14:44):
figure things out.
So I needed a person that Icould, you know, be like.
Okay, have you ever experiencedlike this?
And if you did, what is it like?
And to explain it to me interms that I would understand,
not like.
Let me give you these fancyterms, because maybe I paid you
know $2 million at a fancy shitover, you know over in England.
I don't know, but they come upwith some bullshit right when

(15:06):
you're in there, and it wasreally just that was.
The hardest part is when I gotto the point where I was
exceeding the knowledge that Iwas meeting oh wow when I knew
you don't know what the fuckyou're talking about yeah.
I need to go somewhere else andit was very, very difficult.
You know, Alexis was veryhelpful.
Alexis from City Alchemist,who's also on the podcast.

Frank (15:28):
Right.

Sara (15:29):
Extremely knowledgeable, him and Eric, and they were very
helpful and kind of just likeme, you know, maybe read these
books or go through the stuffyou know, because our practices
are completely different.
So he's he was really doing awonderful job of trying to kind
of keep me afloat and a lot ofthe knowledge and a lot of the
old family things that I had to,you know, rehash my sister Anna

(15:49):
, was our memory right ofeverything that was going on.
So it was like, hey, do youremember when we used to do this
?
Do you remember why you knowthis was?
So it was just kind ofpiece-mealing like everything
together to know, okay, I know Ican do that.
Or you know, I'd get the fancyterm, oh, can you do this thing,
and I'd be like, okay, but whatis it?
Because if you can tell me whatit is, I'm pretty much telling

(16:10):
you I'm doing it, let me see ifI can do it, or maybe I'm not
doing it or I gotta practice itor something.
And it was really a lot ofdoing that right, just kind of
like pinpointing.
You know different things andluckily, you know, the night
I'll lead me to Elaine, right,elaine Iron, and it's my mentor
now.
She's freaking amazing.
And she's been working, workingin this institution.

(16:30):
She was a kid right, so she haslike over 60 years of
experience and just doing allthis stuff.

Frank (16:38):
Wow.

Sara (16:39):
And very plainly was like oh honey, this is what you're
doing, right?
Like she knew exactly what itwas.
And let me you know, connectyou to this other person and let
it go and do this other thing.
And remember, let's read thisbook from like we ancient times
would have never thought to read, right?
Yeah, One of those kinds ofthings.
And I was like, oh, I love this, right, Because she is older
and came up in a frame wherethis was hidden, right, she

(17:02):
could be physically harmed ormurdered for doing what she did
in her day and age rightSomething completely different,
and so she was really a greathelp to really figuring out.
She's like you're way moreadvanced than you think you are.
You've got to just kind of likepush and move and do the things
Right.
She was really encouraging meto try different things out just

(17:24):
to kind of see where I was at,and I think it was because her
ability to explain what washappening was very helpful in me
growing and I was determined.
You know, once I figured out Iwas determined.
I was like nobody should begoing through the shit that I
went through for five, six yearstrying to figure shit out and
throwing money away and doingstuff.

(17:45):
Nobody to learn what your basicbody is designed to do.
Yeah, it's stupid.

Frank (17:52):
Yeah.

Sara (17:52):
It's just.

Lauren (17:54):
Wow, so it sounds like there was like quite a bit of
gatekeeping with like peoplethere is not wanting to like,
help, just understand.

Sara (18:04):
They understood that some aspects of this is, you know,
it's a business.
And so the leaders, the leadersin a lot of these places that
are, you know, public facing orbusiness facing, the really good
practitioners?
You've never heard of them.
Yeah, Never heard of them.
They are hidden away.
Some of them are more afraid oftheir ability than you are and

(18:27):
and don't want, they don't careto learn more.
They're like I'm dealing withthe shit already.

Lauren (18:32):
Yeah, yeah.

Sara (18:33):
You know I'll help you up until what I know and then
that's all I'm going to do.
And they don't want to be outin the public because they don't
want to have people.
They don't want to putthemselves in those places where
they have to use their abilityto get scared to them.
Sure, and I get that it is.
It can be scary when you know,when you don't have somebody to
support you and you've goneyears and years kind of
piecemeal stuff together.

(18:54):
So you know the really reallygood practitioners they're not
somebody that you're reallygoing to hear from or they're
older practitioners thatunderstand if somebody finds out
what I can do, I could beharmed, or you know I can do a
lot of things that I could holdagainst me.
So it's, it's a reallyinteresting industry.
Yeah, if we're looking at it inform of an industry, but if
you're looking at it in form ofeverybody's intuitive, the base

(19:19):
knowledge of it should besomething that should be openly
shared.

Lauren (19:22):
It's just, you know, it's, it's dumb to keep those
things in secret has yourhusband done any Development,
like intuitive development oranything like through you like?
Have you taught him anything?

Sara (19:34):
It took a little bit yes, really, we're married, you try
this.
It was like yeah, okay,whatever.

Lauren (19:44):
Oh, I know that very well.
Yeah.

Frank (19:47):
I know that from.

Lauren (19:51):
Be quiet.
Then someone tells me the sameexact thing, like a few weeks
later.

Frank (19:57):
I love when Lauren gets revelations from somebody else
that I dropped on her like weeksprior.

Lauren (20:01):
It's fine.

Frank (20:02):
It's fine.

Sara (20:06):
It's part of the marriage.
You know, develop the couple,development of this, you're fine
.

Frank (20:10):
So and sorry, remind me your husband's name again Renee.
Renee, that's right.
So what is he kind ofpracticing?

Sara (20:17):
He's just, he really is just somebody that's managing
his own ability.
He just doesn't openly doanything.
So if he's doing any kind ofpractices to help me, so I kind
of you know selfishly, havetrained him to help me Great
walking battery power or mywalking ball that nobody can go
through right like.
So it's just kind of fun.
But his natural ability is it'sconnective, so he understands

(20:40):
when the end of a connection isgoing to come.
So he's very accurate and veryscary yet telling you when
someone's going to pass.

Lauren (20:46):
Oh.

Sara (20:47):
More he's in proximity of them.
He's gonna be like that's nobueno right, so he's really all
these things.
His energy blocks other energy,which I am grateful for,
sometimes in a protectivefashion, because he's very
protective by nature.
So I think that just emanatesout of him and he's fantastic at
generating energy.

(21:08):
So you know, he brings inenergy that I can pull or
connect to, to add on to my own,which is a fun thing that I
think I was doing it before Ieven knew I was doing that to
him.

Frank (21:16):
Poor guy.
Do you just have him walkingaround with a like a bandolier
of red bulls?

Sara (21:21):
Yeah, those little vials of holy water.

Frank (21:27):
So then, with your mindset of wanting, of believing
that so much of this stuffshould be a little bit more
available, developmental, likeresources, was that your impetus
to start the metaphysical you?

Sara (21:39):
Yeah, so I started metaphysical you and it really
is a place where you can come toTo really get community and get
learning, right it's.
It is learning foundations,right?
So my favorite thing is tolearn the base of everything,
right?
Sometimes people will call ityellow and red, but the base
foundation is green, right?
So we just need to know whatthe green is and this allows the
person to Truly understand howto develop and Then, later, when

(22:04):
they when something peaks theirinterest like a specialization
or something, then they canspecialize and they understand
they might have to throw somemoney at that, but they know
exactly how to pick apractitioner that's not in it to
just take their money.
Right, that they really aregoing to be learning something
and kind of moving forward.
And I really put the onus onthe student.
It is their accountability tolearn this, right it's.

(22:25):
I can give you all theinformation that you need, but
you have to put it into play.
I can't practice for you, right?
I can't.
I can't do so.
It really is just giving themthat nice.
You know how do you pick apractitioner, how do you start
learning.
You know clearing yourself, howdo you start doing those things
?
What do you call it.
What is this?
You know what does it feel like?
But in the terms of what doesit actually feel like?

(22:46):
Not just like somebody tellingyou oh, just push the energy,
you're trying to, you can't justdo that.
And so it's giving them likegood practical knowledge and
kind of hand-holding them untilthey're really good to go I got
this, I can move.
And then you're reminding them,you know, when they get further
along hey, don't forget aboutyour foundations, right, don't
forget, don't get into badhabits right.

(23:08):
You know, as they grow and moveinto their specialization.

Frank (23:12):
Without giving away any, any trade secrets.
What?
What are the?
Are there like basicfoundations that everyone jumps
into right away?

Sara (23:19):
There's no trade secrets, right?
Trade secrets aren't really thethings that I share, that I
truly know that there's no otherknowledge in it anywhere.
That's my stuff, right?
So you don't get those unlessyou're more advanced, sure, but
a lot of the foundations, right?
People who don't understand isthat a lot of this Work starts

(23:41):
with self, right, starts with us, and understanding that.
Yeah, and I don't know how manytimes people are gonna record
me saying this when somebodywalks up to you and says I am an
empath, you can respond bysaying me too, and that guy and
the guy over there and my dog,and Right, because anybody who
has fight or flight is in path.
Yeah, yeah, right, we're all,we're all in this together,

(24:04):
right?
So okay, let's buddy up.

Frank (24:05):
Yeah.

Sara (24:06):
The only difference is that in empath and the multiple
empathy types that we have, whenwe have trauma or emotional
things, or we get scared becausewe saw something when we were
little or old or whatever, wehyper develop certain ones and
we don't use the other onesright, we kind of shut ourselves
off in certain areas, which iswhy some people can See spirits,
like walking through the room,or some people just see them in

(24:29):
their mind's eye, or some peoplecan hear things and smell
things, or, and some peoplecan't, right, like there's.
So there's these nuances thathappen Because our empathy types
are out of balance and thesedirectly correlate with all of
the clairs.
So when somebody tells me I'mclairvoyant, I'm clear, you know
sentient, I'm clear, blah, blah, blah.
To me those are just senses,right, that's kind of stupid for

(24:52):
you to say I'm clairvoyantbecause you're just telling me I
can see.
Yeah, me too.
And it's really understandingthat those are the senses that
you use in the metaphysicalspace to receive information.
And if you're, if you're toofocused on one set, well, you're
going to be hyper focused onone clear and not get the full

(25:12):
picture of something that'scoming in which causes fear.
I see shadows, I see graythings, I see squiggly lines, I
only feel stuff that makes thehairs on the back of my neck
stand up.
This is because you're onlyusing certain clairs in certain
orders, right, I take on theemotions of other people and
that this is.
You're aware of it.
You can't protect yourself fromdoing that.

Frank (25:35):
You have to be aware that makes sense because, sorry,
when you have your elbows on thetable.
We really wondered you heretoday for just couples therapy.
I don't know.
I don't know what you'retalking about, but can you help
us when Lauren puts her elbows?

Sara (25:56):
around, face each other, put your head, it's a thing.
Yeah, it's called reconnect.
Connecting what connecting withyou write that down.

Frank (26:06):
Later.

Sara (26:06):
I'll give you more.
I'll give you some more couplestherapy, energy work.

Lauren (26:15):
Quit elbowing your wife.

Sara (26:17):
Elbowing.
Yeah, and start with stopelbowing each other.
I'm out.

Frank (26:24):
So so far, like from the people that we've spoken to, so
a big part of our, our podcast,is we're trying to normalize
this stuff.
We've got a family member,she's six, she's getting into it
.
She doesn't necessarily want to, but she's got it and she can't
turn it off.

Sara (26:37):
I love it.
You can't turn it off.

Frank (26:39):
Yeah, so like we are trying to develop the Abilities
to at least if even if we can'tsee what she sees just to be
able to give her the tool set toEmotionally get through maybe
the hard parts, seeing stuffwhen you're not used to seeing
stuff.
Apparently she sees spiritslike what they look like when
they're dead.
So she's horrified of that.
Initially one like again, fromall the everything I learned

(27:01):
from you, it's like they're justpeople.
Give them boundaries, talk tothem.

Sara (27:04):
She can also demand that they don't do that and and
that's a thing to outdream- youcan set a boundary and say you
do not, I don't want to see youlike that.
I need to see you like when youwere happy.
Right she can demand that.
Yeah, and she, you know.
Just empower her to understandthat she has the power to tell
them to go away or not right nowyeah and you know, stranger

(27:24):
danger is a real thing withchildren in Any setting, right
it in the metaphysical or in theregular physical world.
So it's one of those.
And don't you go anywhere withthis barrier ever.
Oh, you come get that's a newright.

Frank (27:37):
You can oh yeah.

Sara (27:39):
I'm suddenly scared yeah yeah, don't you go anywhere now,
nowhere with them.
In dreams or when you're awake,you stay where you are.
You call for me?
Oh yeah, I haven't heard that.
Wrote that down.

Frank (27:51):
Yeah, the To your point that that you're saying earlier,
the more mediums and andpsychics we've spoken to, they
are all very hesitant to labelit, like you're saying,
obviously, when you're talkingto someone else, labeling it is
kind of helpful.
Oh yeah, like I'm clairvoyantand I can see spirits and all
that stuff, but it all seemslike those are all just one part
of the whole yes and you'resuggesting that if you're not

(28:12):
privy to the other skills, thatit's maybe a certain amount of
fear towards something.

Sara (28:18):
Not necessarily fear, it is because you've survived on
specific ones, more right.
So to give you and like I'llgive you the example I give my
students all the time right, myfavorite example, and you have
eight empathy types that gotogether right.
So you have your plant andanimal right, you have your
Geomantic, your psychometric,you have your telepathic, your P
cognitive right and you haveyour emotional and your physical

(28:40):
.
If you think about Us humanswithout the concrete right, when
we were hunting for our food,not adding like a grocery store,
but like really, like we'rehunting, and we didn't have cars
and we didn't have automaticrifles and we didn't have any
that stuff.
We were like, we had to, like,do the thing.
We relied on Everything to giveus information.

(29:03):
The earth would vibrate if youcould feel something coming in a
certain direction.
You understood that some, therewas a knowing for you to be
able to reach out to somebodyfrom miles and miles and miles
away To tell them I'm okay,right, or they're still like,
cool, I can feel them, right.
You relied on the animals, thereactions, the way that they
looked at you, to reallyunderstand what was happening.

(29:25):
You relied on plants.
You relied on understanding theworld or the environment around
you.
To survive, you had to live,okay.
So now we're here concretebuildings, all that good stuff.
When you're younger, let's justsay, you had a tormenter, right?
Somebody that lived in your homethat would torment you all the

(29:45):
time, right, like, oh, whatever,whatever they tormented you
with, you needed to know whenthat tormentor was triggered,
when what emotion they were in,what physical body trait they
wore, because that would tellyou if you were safe or not safe
, if you had to hide or leave orwhatever it is.
You had to understand this andyou had to have it, understand

(30:06):
it in so much of a fashion thatyou developed a system that if
that tormentor was in a car twoblocks away and turn the corner,
you immediately knew they werecoming.
Do it, and you would just wait,could you reach out and feel
what emotion they were in asthey were approaching?
And then, when you reallyunderstood what the emotion was

(30:29):
and they drove up the driveway,you would peek out the window
because physically, you couldsee their aura and understand
exactly how it would validatewhat you were already feeling.
You were experiencing this andyou didn't have somebody telling
you what was going on, you justknew.
So you relied on those sensesthe understanding to feel the
emotion at a distance, to feelthe energy coming from somewhere

(30:50):
else, to understand what yourresponse had to be when you felt
this energy coming to you fightor flight?

Frank (30:57):
Right.

Sara (30:59):
Wow, this is so, yeah, yeah.
So empathy types when we kickthem up, those correlate to
clears right.
Your emotional, physical willcorrelate to a specific either
the buoyant you can see, thefresh in your head, and then you
just, or you just know theinformation and like I know
something's bad, I need to go.
But we've been trained to notpay attention to that.

(31:21):
Our society is actuallydesigned in the opposition.

Lauren (31:24):
Yeah.

Sara (31:25):
Right, so we're designed.
Oh, you're just crazy.
Ah, it was just a trick of thelike.
Ah, you watched too much TV.
We begin to dismiss things aswe kind of get older and we stop
trusting our intuition.
But my favorite phrase isalways something told I felt
like I shouldn't have.

Frank (31:42):
Yeah, my favorite phrases .
Yeah, I mean, the older I get,the more, or I've been more
aware of my division personally,of how I get very like logical
heady versus what I'm feelingand the two combat each other
and I end up kind of like in astalemate.
I'm like, damn it.
Well, the idea is to do both,yeah.

Sara (32:02):
Right, you don't want one or the other.
You want a nice little balancedblend of two.
You want to know when it's timeto use your logic and when it's
time to use your logic and whenit's time to use your intuition
.
Or maybe you have to do acombination of the two, right?

Lauren (32:14):
The thing you were saying about, like in some cases
, like trauma, your trauma, youcan block certain feelings or
whatever.
That makes so much sense.
I was just like hearing youtalk about the tormentor thing
and like that example is sointeresting.
I was just thinking about likeany trauma I might have had as

(32:36):
like a kid and how, because Ihave strong like feeling,
empathy, or like you know, I sayI'm an empath because I feel
other people's emotions, but I'mlike, oh, did I block other
things out as a kid?
You could have remember.

Sara (32:52):
Other things happen too, Like, let's say you know, you're
thinking I have trauma when Iwas a kid, I don't have anything
, why am I doing that?
Well, the trauma can come notfrom a tormentor, but it can
also come from a form ofpressure.
Yeah Right, so you know you'renot going to be a good girl.
Make sure you're always ofservice.
There's always something thatyou have to do and therefore
you've rewired your body to beconsistently in give mode.

Lauren (33:13):
Yeah.

Sara (33:15):
And in order for you to give, you have to know when
somebody needs something, and soyou still kick that, kick that
up.
Well, they're not feeling good.
I need to go do something.
Oh, they physically something Iknow sometimes wrong with them.
I don't know what it is, butlet me figure out how to help
them.
You still created a hyperawareness versus balanced in
everything.

Lauren (33:35):
Yeah.
Wait have you are you talkinganything?

Frank (33:39):
right now or have you met Lauren before?

Sara (33:45):
I will not confirm nor deny anything, yeah.

Lauren (33:50):
Like I'm just going to be thinking about this for a
while, yeah.
Because, that's so interestingBecause you know, as we're
trying to like, develop and payattention to our own intuition
and whatever abilities we mighthave had as kids, that we may be
pushed away or ignored.
Things keep coming up and we'relike I keep going, oh.

Sara (34:08):
I need to heal.
Right, don't focus on what youused to be able to do as a kid.
You need to focus on what youcan do now as an adult, because
the awareness is different.
Right, as kids, we pretty muchaccepted everything we saw.
Yeah, we were always walkingaround in a state of amazement,
but it's because we just camefrom, you know, a world that was
different, and we're seeingthis for the first time with a
good pair of eyes, or that'slike wow, everything is amazing.

(34:30):
Then, over time, we get alittle jaded.
Yeah, right, it happens.
We get a little jaded, and sowe want to be in the awareness
of who we are now and how we'reexperiencing things today.
Right, so being in yourintuition just means being aware
at all times, being aware ofyou, your mood, how your body

(34:51):
feels, what your, where yourthoughts are, so that when
something invades, you know thatit's not you.
You immediately pick it up andgo oh wait, that's not me.
And then you'd be aware ofwhat's around you.
Is it my co-worker, is it mydriver in front of me?
Where is this coming from?
Because it's not mine.
And if you just don't care whereit's coming from, then just

(35:12):
give it back to who.
If you're like, give that shitback to me, right?
Or if you want to be kind,right, throw it into the earth
and just let it be flowers inAustralia for a little bit,
because I say that to all mystudents.
I have a student named Louthat's in Australia.
We send her flowers all thetime, so right.
So just go shoot it into theground for them, give it away

(35:33):
whatever, but don't take it ontoyourself, right?
You want to move from a senseof empathy, taking everything on
, to a frame of sympathy?
You're aware the feeling isthere.
You're understanding their pain, but you're not going to bring
it onto yourself.

Lauren (35:46):
I've started saying these are not my emotions, which
has like helped.
Our daughter is empathic tooand we started telling her that
just because she takes on stufffrom school and we're like those
aren't yours, it's OK, butthat's a big lesson.
Put them back, put them intothe earth.

Sara (36:02):
Yeah, give them back.

Frank (36:03):
How about that?
How?

Sara (36:05):
about that.
I love the little knowing looksyou guys are giving each other,
because it kind of sounds likethe husband's going, you see,
and the wife is going yeah, shutup.
I know.

Frank (36:16):
It's also me just diverting from anybody doing
that to me, so I'm strikingfirst.
I'm very Cobra Kai right now.

Lauren (36:23):
I feel like oh.

Frank (36:23):
I love it.

Lauren (36:25):
I feel like in this journey I've felt this pull to
like heal, my like I guess Idon't know inner child or my,
the young form of myself,because I'm like, if I want to
develop more, I feel like I needto heal even more.
So I like started learningReiki and stuff which can be
like a really healing process.

(36:46):
Is that something that is partof your teaching?
No, that's it.

Sara (36:52):
Cool.
I encourage you to go in andheal yourself and where you feel
that is, that's where you go,right.
So I make people look at it intwo directions.
First, I want you to outlinefear.
What are your fears?
Right?
Write everything down.
Right, write everything down,yeah.
So list your fears right.

(37:14):
List them.
This is my fear, this is myfear, this is my fear.
And then walk away from it fora little bit.
And then I want you to come backand look at your list and I
want you to tell me is the fearreal, using this thermometer?
Have you experienced it?
Or have you seen somebodyexperience it directly with your
eyes?
If you haven't, it's not a realfear.

(37:35):
Cross it off your list, it'snot a thing.
Then, when you're looking atwell, I mean, this one I haven't
experienced, but I really,really scared me and I still
want it there.
Fine, I want you to list whatyour habit response is to that
fear.
What's the habit?
Well, when I, I know, even justthinking of this, my response

(37:58):
is already this right, whetheryour body responds or your brain
responds or you know, you'realready sure there is a response
.
There's something that you'redoing.

Lauren (38:05):
Yeah.

Sara (38:06):
Then I want you to walk away, come back a little bit
later, and then I want you tolook at just one fear and I want
you to tell me which one youwant to work on.
And then, right next to it, Iwant you to respond to what your
response should be, and you doone at a time until you've
addressed all of them.
The idea is that we cannotchange all at once and we can

(38:28):
only change what we want tochange.
We can't change something byforce.
It's not going to happen andyou're going to understand that.
The fear, it never goes away.
I'm fucking petrified.
When Stephen would be like, hey,can you go fucking this weird
ass girl, I'd be like no,especially because I didn't know
where I was going.
Right, give me some of theaddresses and then meet me like

(38:50):
I feel like I was doing likedrug deals and like yeah, follow
me.
Right, like get in the car,yeah, it was just weird.
And then you know, I feelmyself coming up into the space
and so I knew when I needed tohave fear.
Or him just simply telling mehey, we've got a case, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And I know it scared him and Icould feel the energy from that

(39:13):
and go.
Oh, this is going to be fuckinghorrific.

Lauren (39:15):
Yeah.

Sara (39:16):
Oh God.
The idea, though, is tounderstand how to respond to it.
You've got to first understandshould I be afraid Is, and if I
should be, what should my actualresponse be Like?
Not just screaming, and youknow, jumping on a counter, like
I do when I see a cockroach,but you know having a more
logical response to it, right?

(39:36):
So this is where your logic andyour intuition kind of come
into play, because you logicallyhave to wait until you really
have to respond, not react.
Right, you're responding, notreacting, and so you train
yourself in the response, sothat way, when the fear does
come up again, you apply whatyou've trained.

Frank (39:54):
Would you say.
It's almost like accepting yourlike vulnerabilities and then,
like you said, just training forthem instead of trying to be
stronger than them.

Sara (40:04):
Yeah, Essentially that's what you're doing.

Frank (40:07):
All right, let's hang up.
Let's say, I figured it out.

Sara (40:08):
Right.
So here's one right.
And confidence is the otherright the confidence.
When you're saying you know,using that same term, you're
using the confidence.
The confidence is the key tobeing protected.
That and belief systems, right.
So when you're looking atconfidence, you're looking at
the thing that you tell yourselfthat you're a bad person for
that.
You don't want anybody else toknow.

(40:30):
Right, you're like, oh, if theyknew that.
I was like that, that's mycloset secret and you beat
yourself up about it.
Right, you tell yourself, man,you're such a horrible person
because you do this, or you'resuch a terrible person because
you like this, or you're just ablah blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Right, you start beating thecrap out of yourself and your

(40:52):
brain.
Yeah, so the idea is to identifythat same skeleton.
Right, you identify it.
Do the same thing.
List that sucker out, right,list it out.
Then I want you to realisticallylook at it and the things that
you can't control, like, forexample, right, frank, right,
like the smell of sticky toes,right, what she's good.

(41:13):
Read your mind.
I told you, read your mind.
You can't change that.
That's just a scent that youfind pleasing.
You can't change that about you.
Right.
There's nothing you can doabout that.
Are you going to walk aroundtelling everybody that you like
the smell?
Maybe not, right?
Maybe that stinky toe smells.
You're not going to be like Ilove it.
Wear the t-shirt right.
Announce it on your socialmedia.

(41:35):
No, no, no, You're probably notgoing to do that.
But it is not something thatyou can change because you just
find it pleasant.
That's just normal wiring,that's just you, right.
But if there's something thatyou actually have an option to
do, like you know, I'm a littlebit of a dick at the grocery
store all the time, right, youdon't like that about yourself,
and then you beat up on yourselfbecause you're like I am a good

(41:56):
, you know, belief system person, except when I'm at the grocery
store and I'm the guy that cutsme off this grocery cart, I
don't know whatever it is.
So that is something that youmight go okay.
Well, I really could changethat.
I do have the option of notdoing that.
Let me work on that habit.
The reason why we work on theconfidence and the fear is
because if you are going to havean entity that is a little bit

(42:20):
of a dick, right, a little bitof a negative.
They're going to attack thosethings first, to get in your
body, to get in your brain, toget in your mind.
They're going to maskthemselves as you, because you
can't tell the differencebetween them and you.

Frank (42:33):
And they're going to tell you.

Sara (42:35):
They're going to tell you the same things that you do.
They're going to go oh, theybeat the shit out of themselves
in their brain I can do betterthan that and they're going to
start humbling you down thattrail and you're going to be so
dumb you're going to fall for itbecause you don't know the
difference between your phrasingand the phrasing of something
else, and you're just going tofall right in.

Lauren (42:57):
This would be like a spirit with a bad intention or
just like someone who's kind ofrude and knows how to.

Sara (43:04):
It could be a spirit that just understands that energy.
Right, you might be.
Let's say, you had a suddenloss in family and you're
starting to beat yourself upabout I shoulda, coulda, woulda
done these things.
And I'm a terrible human andI'm grieving and I'm sad and I'm
hurting and I'm in pain.
And this entity is floating bygoing hey, I recognize that shit

(43:24):
, I'm going to go tag along.
And every time you say I'mgrieving, I'm such a terrible
person, I should have, they'regoing to be like yeah, you
should have, you should havedone more, you could have done
this, you could have.
Oh, that's true, I could havedone that.
Right, your mind is nowcompletely ensnared.
And then he's like this is off.
Man, frank is the best.
Hey you, hey, dude, come overhere.

(43:45):
This guy, perfect for us.
And then they invite somebodyelse to jump in.
Wait, what's in it for themhere?
The feeling, the emotion.
These are entities that want tostay in that vibration.
They want that.
That's what they want.
They want you to give them backthe vibration of feeling.
That way, they're justifyinghow they can stay here through

(44:06):
you.

Frank (44:08):
I need to meditate more.

Lauren (44:09):
There's no hair.
Raise our vibrations more.

Frank (44:14):
So is that like what are your?
What are your antidotes to that?
Aside from listing things outand like getting your, your
logical mind on top of like yourown?

Sara (44:23):
antidote is to understand your way, know yourself.

Lauren (44:27):
Yeah.

Sara (44:28):
Know yourself and, for God's sakes, get a belief system
Right.
It doesn't have to be mine, ithas to be yours and you have to
believe it and you have tounderstand why.
Right, very, very simply.
Looking at my desk Okay, here'sthis.
Like here we go.
I can tell you this is a holytape measure.
This is the holiest tapemeasure you can draw, draw it
open, lay it on the ground andnothing can cross this tape

(44:50):
measure, because it is protected.

Frank (44:53):
Got it, so it's.
It's your like buying into thatsystem?
That is what is going to makeit work.

Sara (44:58):
That's exactly what it's going to do.

Frank (45:00):
Do you?
Here's the fun part.

Sara (45:01):
If you help someone else, if you just help somebody else,
you know you're helping yourwife and she's having issues
with her belief system.
But she's got a partial system.
You have to understand what herpartial system is because you
need her to buy in also.

Frank (45:12):
I think you and I are pretty aligned with that stuff
but I would.
I would probably describe it aspartial.
I'm a post Catholic, so I'vedone a lot of dismantling and
not a lot of remantling in anykind of way.
There are, I have gaps where,personally, I could use a little
bit of help getting throughsome of that stuff and maybe
that's is that what we're doing?
Is that what we're doing?

(45:33):
This Congratulations?
Yes.
You've won the million dollarquestion.
Thanks, sarah, I need a betterbelief system.
You're dismantling.

Sara (45:44):
you're dismantling the thing that doesn't fit right,
which makes sense.
You know Catholicism didn't fitme.
Yeah, so many stories aboutthat, but we're not going to get
into that one Trust me, trustme.

Frank (45:53):
That's a whole other podcast.
I'd love to do it one day.

Sara (45:56):
That is a whole podcast series.
So we have to understand wherewe lie and things that make
sense to us.
Right it individually?
Right?
A belief is a belief.
You, you, you want to believecertain things, but you have to
understand why you're believingthem, right?
You have to be able to almostexplain it to someone else when
they ask you, hey, what is yourbelief system like?

(46:16):
And explain it in such a waywhere you don't care if they
understand it.
Right, I just don't care.
Yeah, like, oh, yeah, well,that's, you know, it's just what
works for me.
That might not work for you andthat's, and that's perfectly
fine.
But in in practice, aspractitioners like me, where I
help other people, I need tounderstand what they believe,

(46:36):
because they are designing thatfor themselves.
And I need to understand it sothat when I'm trying to help
them, let's say, maybe I'mtrying to help them, do a
healing, or I'm trying to helpthem, um, maybe what they
believe is an attachment.
Need to move that attachmentaway.
I need them to understand howmuch power they have in that

(46:56):
belief and combine it with mineto make it happen.

Lauren (47:00):
Do you, do you just like walk around and you can like
tell, like, especially with kids, is there like, oh, that kid is
a son to that kid.

Sara (47:09):
It's can't hide because they are so close to the light,
you can't.
But I can tell you when a kidis being abused, because the
light will dim Like that is animmediate thing that I can tell.
And so it's.
It's one of those things whereyou're like, hmm, what's
happened over there?
At that base, you can.
You can immediately tell whenthat something is wrong, because
the light will dim Like itwon't be as bright.

(47:31):
They won't trust, um, thatconnection because of what's
happening to them.

Lauren (47:36):
Oh, man, you've, you've like I don't know.
That's a lot to like, see orlike uh experience for you.

Sara (47:45):
Just like I don't know.
Uh, to me it's just, it's just,it's normal.

Lauren (47:49):
Right.

Sara (47:50):
I've been able to.
That was little.
So it's not like a, it's not anunusual thing for me, it's just
kind of go, oh, I can just tell, and you know, maybe I'll send
a guy or send to something, butit because I can't be walking up
to people I don't know.
I'd be like, hey, why are yougoing around with this?
So instead I just like send mydudes, go help that one a little

(48:11):
bit, or, you know, move forthem or connect them, or
reconnect them so that they cankeep safe.

Frank (48:15):
Yeah, so I was going to ask you, but it seems like maybe
you're so accustomed to thisstuff for for people who have
the level of ability that you dolike, how do you, when you see
something that can be somewhatdisturbing, how do you maintain
like a healthy mental outlook onstuff?
What do you do to stay sane?

Sara (48:32):
Everything in in that, in our environment, is mentally
disturbing.
So it's not like there is norhyme or reason for it.
You know, there's a lot ofthings that happen that we can't
.
We as you know, people that areintuitive cannot really get
involved in some things, becauseit is something that the person

(48:53):
has to either learn orexperience and it's part of the
growth of what they're doing,not just the the person who's
being victimized, but also theperson who's victimizing right.
There's also something that'skind of going on in that, in
that era.
So there's there's things thatdo come to us directly that we
can assist with right, and we'rekind of bound to do so.
We're kind of like, oh, thishas showed up, I'm just going to

(49:15):
have to really handle it, andthere are some things that we we
don't right, that we don't,that.
We just kind of go that sucks,that's just what they got to
learn.

Lauren (49:24):
Oh yeah, that's crazy.

Sara (49:26):
And interfere with it.
Yeah, we can only interferewith what's brought to us, that
we're supposed to be interferingwith?

Lauren (49:32):
Yeah, are you.
I always ask people thisbecause I think it's so, it's.
It's interesting to me, likeare you constantly bombarded or
do you have an off switch?

Sara (49:43):
There's no off and there's a partition.
Right there's a.
Hey, stand over there and don'tbother me until two.
Okay, Okay, yeah.

Lauren (49:52):
Like so walking through a crowded space, I have to be
well prepared for it.

Sara (49:57):
Yes, very well prepared for it.
So I found myself as a as anolder person, right Getting a
little older.
Um, I typically don't do bigcrowded things, yeah.

Frank (50:07):
I was going to ask you what?
What is your most challengingenvironment?

Sara (50:11):
Uh, like concerts or things that you know.
You know we're in off Boston,so like that people come out and
droves in right.
Right that have like big openspaces and even then, um, it's
still hard, right.
So it's just depending on wherewe are and how badly I want to
be, uh kind of thing.

(50:32):
So it just, it just depends onthe setting.
But I'm I try to avoid reallybad crowded places as much as
humanly possible.
Right, covid was a nice littleblessing for me.
After there's all this, justdeliver it to your house.
Fantastic.
I have to fight all thosepeople at the Target and at the
Walmart.

Lauren (50:50):
The physical people and all the spirits.

Sara (50:52):
Yeah, Kind of kind of nice .
It's kind of nice.

Frank (50:56):
Yeah.
What is more overwhelming,though, is it is it the?
Is it what's going on with theliving, or the, the number of
spirits that are just around allthe time?

Sara (51:04):
It's more what's going on with the living Spirits are more
, um, the rules are more defined.
Okay, I guess, if that's whatit is.
So when we build a boundarywith the spirit, the boundaries
built, they respect it.
Uh, if we mean it right, wehave to mean the boundary.
If, if we know, you know it'sgoing to walk all over us, but
if, uh, we build a boundary witha human, even if we mean it,
the human's still going to pushit.
Right, that's that's we'redesigned to do, that.

(51:26):
If not, we wouldn't beinnovative, right?
We're creative, or any of thatstuff we're designed to kind of
like is it a really rural?
Right?
That's what we're designed todo.
So, humans for me, uh,one-on-one or in couples love it
, but crowds of humans, that'ssomething I don't do well, nor
do I have a good response foryeah, so, um, you know, I'll

(51:49):
always tell somebody I'm alittle bit of an asshole, right?
I'm not a nice person all thetime, so you've got to find me
at the right time.

Frank (51:59):
No, I like that's going to be my excuse from now on.
I needed a good one, and thisis it.

Sara (52:07):
Take it, take it.

Frank (52:08):
So you said you have a good like support group.
Um, your husband being one ofthem, what can people around you
do to be more supportive ofyour, what your maybe
experiencing that they're not?
That comprises a good supportgroup.

Sara (52:21):
I think it depends on the situation.
Yeah, I need to have people whoreally, really know me, that
are around me, understand thatI'm not on all the time.
It's not a thing for me to likewant to willingly be chipper
and happy.
I really like to just be verycalm and quiet, like that's just

(52:42):
kind of like it is.
A lot of people are like alwayssurprised when they come to the
house and it's like wow, it'sreally quiet in here.
Oh my God, I don't like howit's like.
I'm just very one of those justsuper chill, yeah.
But I have my moments, right, Ihave my moments where I want to
go do stuff and see people andbe around people, but they have
to be specific, kind of like ithas to be something that we

(53:02):
chose to want to do.

Lauren (53:04):
Are there people or friends or family that seek like
a sudden reading or anything?
Do you feel like, well, I'm notdoing, I don't feel like that
right now, or does everyonerespect that?

Sara (53:17):
Pretty much my family on all sides like I want to say on
all sides, because I have a verycomplex family history so my
family on all sides are allintuitive in some form or
fashion.
So we really we don't do thatunless, like, we seek advice in
certain things but we don'tnecessarily tell the other
person I'm getting it from aspirit, right, I'm talking to
your guides.
Yeah, we just don't do that.

(53:37):
We just kind of know and talkto each other about stuff like
that.
So it's very rare.
But I've had a few cousins orsome certain friends that are
like just I practice on them,right, I was practicing on them
when I was learning.
Or sometimes I'm just like, hey, do you want one, why not?
Just like sure, why not?
Right, like they just let me dostuff.
So they've been pretty goodabout that.

(53:59):
But most of my family membershave a form of intuition that we
just know that it's there andwe don't necessarily seek it out
.

Lauren (54:08):
Wow, ok.
So when you were a kid, it wasjust like, oh yeah, like just
join the club, sarah.

Sara (54:15):
It was very, very normal.

Lauren (54:16):
Yeah, wow.

Sara (54:17):
You know, even though their belief systems again was
towards the Catholicism and allthat, because I grew up in a
Hispanic household, we alsobelieve in the kukui and the
gunahenderaz and the like, thesolvaloraz, all that stuff.
But you know, we believed inall of that, so it was just
normal.

Lauren (54:32):
I feel like you're concocting.

Frank (54:35):
I'm just making sure I got it Frank always has like his
little tiny notebook, areporter's notebook here.

Sara (54:40):
I've got the same thing All of my post-it notes
notebooks.

Frank (54:46):
I we pull tarot on occasion and I have like a
couple of cards up here just asreminders and just so I don't
forget what I pulled them inreference to.
I have little posts.
It's the perfect combination oflike I used to work in cubicles
but also I like tarot.
It's.
It's kind of embarrassing.

Sara (55:01):
I love it.
That's awesome.
You need to like a little memeup or something.
That's fantastic.

Lauren (55:06):
Yeah, yeah, that is really funny.

Frank (55:09):
What's the best way to contact your spirit guides,
because that's something thatI've been trying to do and I
just can't.
I'm not doing a good job yet.
I know there's a lot of work Ican do with some of the more
basic stuff, but there's not abest there's.

Sara (55:22):
you know there's a way you got to figure it out for you.
But tell me what you've beentrying.
That's going to be probably thestarting point.
What have you been doing?

Frank (55:29):
We've.
I'm trying to.
Well, I haven't been doing verygood lately, but for a while I
was just trying to speak outloud to them on a daily basis,
as if they're just there, andgive them full permission to
intervene and contact me in anyway I can.

Lauren (55:42):
I can be contacted or perceive them Like we've said
like oh, you can show me a signthat you're around.

Frank (55:50):
Yeah.

Lauren (55:51):
We each had like a little like thing, like I had
like a.
As soon as I said that I had agrasshopper jump on my
windshield Like as I was drivingand that's never happened
before, and I was like OK, Ihear you, you're here, but and
then you had like a butterfly,like yeah, I had something
similar, like a butterfly kindof cut me off from even
finishing the sentence, whichwas interesting.

Frank (56:12):
But you know I'd love them.
I'd love a deeper dialogue atsome point or something that's a
little more tangible.

Sara (56:17):
I think your approach is the problem.

Frank (56:19):
Right, I think you're probably right.

Sara (56:21):
It's, it's, it's a.
It's a lot of dance, monkeydance versus.
I know you're there, let's havea conversation.

Lauren (56:28):
OK.

Sara (56:29):
Making time for the conversation, right?
So you know there's a, there'sa meditation I tell my students
to do.
It's called bathing in light.
It's one of the foundationalmeditations that we teach and
this is kind of a foundationalmeditation that's pretty much
taught everywhere, right?
So I just gave it a, gave it aname, but it's other people know
it by different names.
So the idea is to connect withsource.

(56:50):
Whatever your, the source ofyourself is Right.
So in my instance, I will sitand, ok, it's a little morbid on
me, right, like the poltergeistlampshade.
You know from the sign.
You know the little lampshadeis in the street, ok, so I like,
I like being under that.
So I'll put myself under thatlampshade and then just kind of

(57:11):
sit there in that nice littleamber, low glow, and then I will
begin to heat the light, makeit brighter, see it in my mind's
eye as literally my source,just light coming over my body.
It'll go over my body,underneath my feet, and I'm
encapsulated in that cone oflight with just me in my source.
I give it a color, I give it ascent.

(57:34):
I understand when it starts tomove over my body and all the
shadows from everywhere, insidemy nose, inside my ears,
everything gets pummeled inlight, and then I just
surrounded myself in there.
In that space, it's just me andsource.
Nothing else can get in thereunless I ask it to.
After doing this for a few weeks, right, I will now move over

(57:58):
and ask my guide to join me.
Join me in this light.
Together we're going to sit andI want you to just sit with the
guide.
Have them enjoy the light withyou so that you understand what
the energy signature of them is,so that you know when they show
up.
It will show up in the sameenergy signature every time.
You'll know it's them, you'llfeel it's them and then

(58:18):
eventually you'll start gettingimages in your mind's eye.
You'll start knowing when theykind of sit and are there.
They'll maybe show you thebutterfly that they showed you
before, just so that you knowthat it's them.
The idea is to begin to get usedto knowing when they're there,
and then you begin to askquestions how do we know each
other?
And sometimes the image in thegray space just outside that

(58:43):
light will begin to kind of formlike a movie that's going by,
right?
So just watch the movie and themovie might be significant.
Don't narrate the movie.
Don't be like oh, I see a house, oh, I see a thing.
Don't narrate.
Let the things kind of go by,because the question was how do
I know you?
How do we know each other?

(59:03):
What did you use to do?
You're beginning to form arelationship, right.
How are you and sourceconnected?
How did this happen?
Allow the things to kind ofjust move, but you have to allow
them to respond and sometimesthey'll respond immediately, and
sometimes it takes a few daysto respond and it'll be in your
dreams.
It'll be in like a repetitivething.

(59:25):
That kind of happens for a fewdays.
Right Like, what's your name?
And you keep hearing the wordlike Frankensteiner and that
maybe their name wasFrankenstein.
Right Like, or whatever it is.

Frank (59:33):
I hope so.

Sara (59:35):
Or Einstein, I mean whatever Right.
So it's really just allowing.
But you have to allow and stopgetting into the dance, mucky
dance and prove that you'rethere, because you're beyond
that.

Lauren (59:45):
Yeah.

Sara (59:46):
You're already beyond proving.
Now it's let's build therelationship.
Let's really talk to the guide.
Let's begin to trust it.
Speaking out loud is beautiful.
I do it to my guides.
All the time People walk up tome and look at me like what is
this lady doing Talking aboutthe story?
What should you get today?
I don't know.
Right, I'm talking in the air.
I do it a lot so that you'reable to just kind of do that.

(01:00:08):
But you've got to give givetime for that guide to respond
because, remember, you're not asresponsive either If they've
been trying to talk to you andyou just ignore it.
They've got to try to figureout how to get you the
information.

Frank (01:00:21):
Yeah, I mean that's part of it too.
Sometimes they slap in the faceof it, I get a lot of guilt
from, like trying doing thedance monkey dance thing and
then I'm like, okay, it's notworking right now, I got to go
do something else and stoplistening.
I feel really bad about that.
I'm trying to find out.
I love this maybe not thecontext but the poltergeist
light, but I do like I love that, that idea of being.
That's just the way I see it, Iknow exactly what you're

(01:00:43):
talking about.

Sara (01:00:44):
Yeah, People like candles and they bring the light of the
candle over their bodies andpeople just immediately
understand it as a shield, andso it just depends on how you
kind of understand how to sit inthat protected space and just
circle the energy back and forthand then making room and
allowing that guy to be with you.
Set an intention in your hobbies.

(01:01:04):
It's a form of meditation.
The hobby that you're in, orthe weird stuff that you like to
do, where you're like immersedin it, puts you in a meditative
state.
So set an intention in it andbe like hey, I'm about to sit
down and glue crafts together.
Why don't you come and join meand then just kind of immerse

(01:01:25):
yourself in that and kind ofmake note of the things that
might pop, the thoughts thatmight pop up in your head, right
, and after you're done, right,then write them down and then
look at them later, right,sometimes those things will
happen, but you have to allowfor it to happen, which is
difficult when you have, youknow, small children.

Lauren (01:01:41):
Yeah.

Frank (01:01:42):
It is.
But like that's the, I guessthat's the shower thoughts thing
though.

Lauren (01:01:47):
Yeah.

Frank (01:01:48):
Both of us.
We get like.
I was in the shower and I justhad this idea.
This popped in my head Likealmost Beautiful, almost
guaranteed.
That's like just being in thezone.

Lauren (01:01:56):
Yeah, I'm having the showers.

Sara (01:01:58):
The only time you guys have to relax and you're alone.
Yeah, really though.

Lauren (01:02:04):
I literally have to like wake up before the kids to give
myself the time to trymeditating.
I say try.
I'm still working on likequieting, I'm still working on
the practice of meditating.

Sara (01:02:16):
No, no, the moment you said the word quiet, I'm going
to tell you that is not not howit works.
Okay, meditation happens onlyto clear your mind and allow
yourself to receive.
That's what meditation does,right, yeah, you can clear your
mind while you're actively doingsomething.
It doesn't have to be quiet,okay, and you're zoned out.

(01:02:36):
When you're watching TV, you'renot really watching the show,
your mind is just kind ofsomewhere else.
Yes, right, so it's not quiet.
The things are kind of moving,or people who like to listen to
music, and it gets them into aparticular zone.
They're in meditation.
It's just applying an intentionto it.
Hey, why don't you sit here andjoin me while I'm?
While I'm, you know, listeningto music or dancing or getting

(01:02:59):
in?

Lauren (01:03:00):
Yeah.

Sara (01:03:01):
It doesn't have to be sitting cross leg floating in
the air in the quiet for hoursand a time Like that's just
bullshit yeah.

Lauren (01:03:08):
Work.
Okay, thank you for that.

Frank (01:03:11):
I think that's a missing piece of this puzzle for us.
Yeah, for you, definitely.

Lauren (01:03:15):
It is.
I always feel like I have to.
There are times when, like I gotake a walk and I don't have
music on or just I'm like let mejust like look around and it's
almost like a walking meditation.
So maybe even doing that, I canimagine a light shield Flow

(01:03:36):
state man, I think that's ityeah.

Sara (01:03:38):
Yeah.

Frank (01:03:39):
Whatever gets you in that zone.

Sara (01:03:41):
I can bring the light right over you, right over you,
and then just walk.
Yeah, okay, I like that.
I like the star wars.
See the lightsaber, just turnon oh.

Lauren (01:03:48):
I like that.

Sara (01:03:49):
Yeah, just start walking.

Lauren (01:03:53):
I like that, that's great, okay, that helps so much
yeah.

Frank (01:03:57):
What do you think from your perspective and what we've
described to you and what we'reabout?
What do you think our nextsteps should be to developing
our skills or getting to a placewhere we can help our family
member be more comfortable withher abilities?

Sara (01:04:13):
I think it's time to understand the steps, especially
the things like meditation.
Right, there's so many ways forthem to kind of channel what's
happening to them, to kind ofquiet out and shake out the
noise, right, so they're goingto need something like a way to
get rid of the energy when theycollect it because they're so
young, they're going to absorbeverything that's kind of coming

(01:04:35):
in, right, it's just kind oflike a curse and a blessing of
being young, right, you startabsorbing everything comes in.
So it's understanding how toget them to shake out that stuff
that doesn't belong to them andhave a developed way of almost
teaching them how to do that.
As a way to lean on thatresponse, to identify when
things you're doing good,because you're saying, identify

(01:04:57):
things that aren't yours, right,an energy that isn't yours.
Once you identify it's notyours, then now you have to push
it away, right, you have toreturn it to the person or you
have to put it into the groundand you have to take it out of
your body.
And then giving them thingswhen they transition into stuff,
giving them a way to justbreathe in that source.

(01:05:18):
They have to begin to startunderstanding what that source
is for them.
What is it?
Understanding what that is, sothey can understand how to bring
in that light, move them intonature, right.
Move them into that space.
And developing systems orrelease of emotion all the time
right.
Therapy is great at bringingshit up, but they're not good at

(01:05:39):
telling you how to let thatshit go right.
So, understanding how todevelop that system of release,
how do we let it go, what worksfor you, what doesn't work for
you, and believing them,believing them, believing them.
There is nothing more importantthan believing them and
believing them in a healthy wayof even saying can you describe

(01:05:59):
what you experienced it?
Can you draw it out?
Did it say something?
Was it a color?
Trying to get them to see asmuch detail of what's going on
and then empowering them tounderstand that they are in
control.
Here's the boundary.
I'm not following you.
Call in mom, call in dad whenthey feel in danger, when
they're sleeping, right?

(01:06:20):
I taught that to my son at anearly age because he had a lot
of night terrors and I wouldtell him just call me, I will
come into your dream and I'lltake care of that shit.
And he did it often to where wewould wake up and he would tell
me about his dream and I knewwe had the same dream.
I knew we were both togetherand he still does it now as an

(01:06:41):
adult.
Sometimes we're in the samedream scape together.
So it's teaching how to do that, how to calm that energy in the
space.
Right, my daughter blockseverything out.
She completely calms the energyin the space.
She took it, you know, aboveand beyond.
That's just turn it down, right.
Probably the best thing I'veever had is you snuggled up next

(01:07:01):
to her.
It's all quiet right.
Now my grandson's doing thesame thing, right, my grandson
is now exhibiting a lot of thislight and seeing a lot of things
and I'm like, just believe him,believe him, tell him to draw
it out, tell him if there's, youknow, something that's going on
and she's like you know,sometimes he sounds like he's
making up stories.
I said it could be memories, itcould be things that are coming
in from something else.
Don't completely dismiss it,but tell them this is not

(01:07:24):
something that's in our realityhere, right, it's not something
that's here in the house orthat's not something that's
going on now.
Why is that important?
So kind of understanding thedifference between what we think
it's imagination.
Right, we could be theirimagination.
You know they could be justreally good at telling stories
or they could be rememberingsomething or picking something
up from someone else, right,yeah, just kind of working

(01:07:48):
through it and going, okay, isthat part of our reality?
Is that something that is here,you know, part of our everyday?
Is that really something that'stied to you?
Does it belong to you?
Asking those questions isimportant.

Frank (01:07:58):
Yeah.

Sara (01:07:59):
Right, making sure that they don't walk around thinking
that they're crazy, butunderstanding that this is just
normal.

Frank (01:08:03):
That's awesome, Sarah, thank you so much.
Give all your plugs so like Iknow you have your own podcast
as well and tell us aboutMetaphysical you we do.

Sara (01:08:10):
We just launched our podcast in October.
My partner, ag Sanchez, and Inarrate through a lot of weird
things with some of thepractitioners from Metaphysical
you Didi Hawke and Jack Swolfare just a great segment from it
.
We're trying to make theparanormal normal right.
So if you have some time, youknow, listen to MP Unleashed.
We're on all the things, right.

(01:08:32):
The Spotify is the podcast.
Things are on all the thingsand here, what it's like to be
part of this world from theperspective of a medium and a
psychic and an energy worker.
Right, we go and look at theseplaces, not from proving that
something is there, just to findout what it is.
What is it, what is it really?
Yeah, and how does that impactsomething else?

(01:08:54):
And maybe, you know, do alittle bit of myth-busting of
what's going on out there.
Oh, cool, that's fantastic.
And definitely, if you wanttraining, if you're wanting to
start, we have another round ofour Foundations, one classes
starting in March and that'sreally the at the core of who we
are at Metaphysical you, thoseare the classes that you want to
take.
And if you're somebody who'slike I don't want to come into,

(01:09:15):
like, doing something like that,but I do have a lot of
questions and a lot of things.
Join our Wednesday nightdevelopment groups.
We have an open to the publicdevelopment group every
Wednesday at 8 pm CentralStandard Time.
The link is on our website.
You just click and join us.
It's just open, right, it'sjust there and we do challenges

(01:09:36):
or we have really greatdiscussions.
We have practitioners from allover the world, like I literally
say all over the world.
Right, we'll join us.
You know, here and there, andif you have time and you
remember hey, it's Wednesdaynight, I think I'm going to go
join that online developmentgroup.
I got a list of things I wantto ask.
Join us.
We have people from very, verybeginners, people who just want
to learn, for people that havebeen seasoned practitioners for

(01:09:57):
many, many years Just chatting,right, chatting and doing stuff.

Frank (01:10:01):
That's so cool.

Sara (01:10:03):
That's been on my that's been on my.

Lauren (01:10:04):
T-doos for months, yeah.

Frank (01:10:06):
I follow you on Instagram and stuff.
I've been wanting to join that.

Sara (01:10:09):
Join us, join us.
It's so fun See.

Frank (01:10:12):
Yeah, I'm going to consider that a personal invite.
Yes, I mean making paranormalnormals.
Definitely that's in ourlexicon here.
That's kind of what we'retrying to do too.

Lauren (01:10:23):
Yeah.

Frank (01:10:23):
So I love it so much, so I'm definitely going to be
joining that on Wednesday.

Sara (01:10:27):
You can always join us at metaphysicalyoulitteryoucom.

Frank (01:10:31):
Awesome.
Thank you so much, Sarah.
You've been an absolutepleasure to talk to no trouble,
we'll talk soon.

Sara (01:10:35):
No problem Bye-bye.

Lauren (01:10:37):
Bye.

Frank (01:10:45):
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