014: We All Practice Santeria // with Alexis Arredondo and Eric Labrado

Send us a text

Discover the spiritual depths of Mexican folk magic and witchcraft as we welcome Alexis Arredondo and Eric Labrado, esteemed authors, and the insightful founders of City Alchemist in Austin, Texas. We discuss Santería, and the sacred art of divination. Our guests unravel the complexities of these often misunderstood practices and reveal how they infuse positivity into their followers' lives.

This episode presents a tapestry of personal spiritual narratives that chart the course from childhood hauntings to  the importance of keeping a spiritual equilibrium. Listen to stories of healing spaces and souls, understanding the spirit present in all things, and learn how even the act of cleansing one's home can be a sacred ritual. Join us for reflections on life's journey, the intertwining of spirituality with daily demands, and the joy in rediscovering one's spiritual essence.

To buy Alexis and Eric's book Magia Magia: Invoking Mexican Magic: Click here
To buy Alexis and Eric's book Blood of Brujeria: Click here

To check out the City Alchemist shop, book a reading, or take a course:
https://www.cityalchemist.co/

Clairvoyaging is now a fiscally sponsored project of Fractured Atlas, a 501(c)(3) charity, so any donations are now tax deductible. If you’d like to support our projects that aim to foster understanding for diverse spiritual belief systems, visit www.clairvoyaging.com/support. 

Support the show

-- DONATE to the Clairvoyaging Documentary (it's tax-deductible!)

-- SUBSCRIBE in your preferred podcast app!
-- Follow @clairvoyagingpodcast on Instagram.
-- Send us an email: [e-mail]
-- Become a Clairvoyager on Patreon and get access to exclusive extras!

Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:06):
Wayfether Media presents Claire Voyaging.
Hey, hello, how's it going?
Well, what do you think?
I don't know, I don't knowanymore.
It's fine, we'll say it's fine.
I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'mnot sure, I'm not sure, I'm not
sure, I'm not sure, I'm notsure.
I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'mnot sure, I'm not sure.

(00:28):
We'll say it's fine, that'sexciting.
What's new Frank?

Frank (00:36):
Oh nothing we.

Lauren (00:39):
We both had some wardrobe malfunctions today for
some upcoming weddings.

Frank (00:45):
Yeah, I had a lot of nip slips.
When you say wardrobemalfunction, that's the only
thing I think of.

Lauren (00:52):
That's true, our clothes weren't falling off, or
something.

Frank (00:55):
Listen, here's the truth.
I fatted out of a suit andLauren went to a tailor who did
the reverse of a tailor.

Lauren (01:02):
So you messed up my dress a little bit.

Frank (01:04):
We're not going to out anybody.

Lauren (01:06):
No, we're not.
But man, some material was justgetting ruffled and we were mad
.

Frank (01:14):
Material and feathers.
This is our complain cast.

Lauren (01:17):
Yeah, here it is.

Frank (01:18):
Hey, lauren, yeah.
Any updates.

Lauren (01:21):
Yeah.
So here's this.
We'd like to thank our newestsupporter on Buy Me a Coffee.
What yeah?
Gargantua Jones-Borb Jr boughtus some coffees.
Thank you, gargantua.

Frank (01:40):
Gargantua supporters like you.

Lauren (01:42):
If you want to support the show, go to buymeacoffeecom.
Slash clear voyaging and we'llgive youa shout out, just like
we did for Gargantua.

Frank (01:51):
No matter what your name is.

Lauren (01:53):
Okay.

Frank (01:54):
What else is up?

Lauren (01:56):
We had some fascinating guests with us this week, I
think.

Frank (01:59):
We did.

Lauren (02:01):
I think you are just plucking people straight from
your favorite podcast, one ofyour favorite podcasts called
the Night Owl Podcast.
I am yeah, we had Sarah Reevesand this time we've got two more
guests that are featured onthat podcast.
But if you don't know what theNight Owl Podcast is and you
like investigations surroundinghaunted locations, check it out.

(02:23):
It's like we're just pitchingthis podcast and the host
doesn't know about it.
We might as well tell them.
By the way, we've been likeselling your podcast pretty hard
, but anyway, they do deep diveinvestigations with mediums and
people that do house cleansings,witchcraft, stuff like that,
and featured pretty often onthat show are the guests that we

(02:47):
have.
For today's episode.
It's Alexis Arradondo and EricLabrado, who are founders of a
shop in Austin, texas, calledCity Alchemist.
Yeah, they are.
They are co-authors of twobooks which they will discuss,
and they have tons of knowledgesurrounding Santoria, witchcraft
and Mexican folk magic.

Frank (03:07):
They taught us a lot.

Lauren (03:08):
They taught us a lot.

Frank (03:09):
I don't know.

Lauren (03:10):
I didn't know what any of those things were.

Frank (03:12):
Yeah, I'm in the dark, Lauren's in the void.

Lauren (03:15):
Very, very.
It's so dark I can't see.
But yeah, they taught like Ithink there's a lot of
assumption around things likeSantoria.
Or if you hear the wordwitchcraft, you just think it's
bad.
Or if you heard like Mexicanfolk magic, just not knowing
what something is.
People have a bad connotationwith things or like stay away

(03:39):
from that.
But they're lovely, wonderfulpeople and they like we had a
nice time talking to them and welearned a lot, and we hope you
do too.

Frank (03:49):
Enjoy, gentlemen, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Thank you for having us.
Absolutely yeah.
Usually with this thing, wejust ask everybody to introduce
themselves in your own words andjust give us a little
background on how you gotstarted and in what your current
expertise is.

Alexis (04:09):
Okay, my name is Alexis Ardondo.
I'm from South Texas originallyand kind of grew up with, like
the legends of South Texas, thestories of witches and healers
known as Granderos, and I grewup about 30 miles from a very
famous healer known as DonPerito Jaramillo back in the
early 1900s and so very muchenamored with that ever since a

(04:33):
very young age and then it justkind of never went away and
wanted to know more about it,eventually starting to learn the
practice of good under thesmall healing as well as
Brughidia.
And then I met Eric in 2011-ishhere in Austin and we realized
that we had very similar ideasof the way we kind of grew up

(04:54):
and the things that we enjoyedabout spirituality and magic and
started City Alchemist for afew books, and that's kind of
where we're at now.

Eric (05:03):
That's awesome.
Yeah, so my name is Eric.
My name is Eric Lombarado.
I grew up in El Paso, texas.
I share a pretty similar storyto Alexis.
My family, specifically mymaternal side, my mom's side
kind of raised me in this sortof like folk practices like

(05:24):
Curandidis, moe and Higisidia,and I was really encouraged to
explore, to develop, I guess,just learning more about these
sorts of things and guided bythem as well.
Yeah, like Alexis said, we metin Austin and wrote two books I
think it's the first book,they're the first books on

(05:45):
English regarding Mexican folkmagic and we started City
Alchemist in 2020.

Frank (05:53):
That's awesome.
And just for anybody whodoesn't know what is the City
Alchemist.

Eric (05:57):
It's a metaphysical supply shop here, based in Austin,
texas, so we sell things likecandles, incense, tarot.
We have really good readersthere and we just try to be a
resource for the community,specifically cater to all sorts
of traditions.
So we're pretty eclectic and welike to kind of help people

(06:18):
find their path.
If we don't know the answer,then we probably know somebody
that will guide them to.

Frank (06:24):
That's awesome, and I know what the City Alchemist is
because I'm a fan of the NightOwl podcast.
I've listened to every singleepisode and we just recently
interviewed Sarah, who is anamazing person.
I know she's not necessarily onthe show anymore, is that right
?

Alexis (06:39):
Correct, yeah, she left Right now we're actually doing
this really cool thing wherewe're bringing in like guest
mediums.
So it's really cool becauseit's not just having mediums who
like hit on things, but alsolike trying different mediums
out and see what each one picksup.
Oh, that's cool, and we'll getlike one medium who picks up
exactly like one thing and thenthis other medium comes in and
picks up the exact something ofsomething else, and it's been

(07:02):
really, really fun.

Lauren (07:03):
That's like a puzzle piece, like I'm sure there's
like missing pieces, you know,from one medium to another.
That's cool.

Frank (07:10):
It's really cool.

Lauren (07:11):
Yeah, and just to clarify, we're talking about.
Sarah Reeves who was our gueston episode 12.
And she's amazing.

Alexis (07:20):
She's good people.

Lauren (07:21):
Oh yeah.

Frank (07:22):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, and I expected just to have a
nice conversation about asnormal as this kind of stuff
gets, and she ended up liketeaching me a lot about myself
and I was not expecting that,but maybe I should have.
You guys are both familiar inMexican folk magic, is that
right?
Are you both of Mexican descent?

Alexis (07:42):
Correct.
Yeah, Like Eric was saying,we're the first.
Our books are the first bookswritten by people of Mexican
descent in English about thepractice of Mexican witchcraft.
As far as we know, there areother books out there, a lot of
Mexican witchcraft in English,but ours is the first by people,
basically people of Mexicandescent, as well as the practice

(08:05):
of how to actually do it, notjust about it or like a
scientific study.
So the first one is calledMachia Machia, invoking Mexican
magic Machia is just the Spanishword for magic and then the
second one is blood of Lujia,and that one is more painful
magic.
They call it a painful magictext, which we never intended to

(08:26):
be when we wrote it.

Frank (08:29):
Okay, so this is a good jumping off point.
One of the reasons why wecreated this podcast in the
first place is because we have ayounger family member who
started having undeniablypsychic experiences.
We noticed, in kind of managingthat, that there's aren't a lot
of resources out there and,having grown up Catholic myself,
the amount of fear surroundedby any of these topics is it's

(08:52):
potent, and I want to make surethat we're in a place where we
are educating our listeners andmaking sure that we're
dispelling some of thenegativity that these practices
don't necessarily deserve.
So I mean, I just I went to NewOrleans recently.
They're so into voodoo and Inoticed that you know what
voodoo isn't actually all ofthat a bad thing, but, like, if

(09:12):
you ask any bit about voodoo,like your, your, your normie out
there, they're going to be like, hey, don't even talk about
that stuff.
And I know.
Same thing with Santaria.
I have a, I have a Cubanbackground, my dad is from Cuba
and that's a four letter word asfar as they're concerned.
And I want to know, like, fromyour perspectives, what is the,
the Mexican folk magic, what isthe, the Mexican folk witchcraft

(09:35):
?
And like, what is Santaria?
I know that's a loaded question, but make this not scary for
people Like read our book yeah,yeah, without giving no spoilers
, no spoilers.

Alexis (09:46):
Um, I mean, I know Eric can definitely talk on Santaria.
He is a santero, so he candefinitely speak on that.
Um, as you know, we're bothfrom the border, so we
understand this, because it's aMexican magic is just part of
our culture.
A lot of people don't evenrealize they're doing it.
To be perfectly honest, thesame people that would probably
say it's evil or it's you know,stay away from it, are the same

(10:08):
people that are pretty muchpracticing it.
You know, we had people growingup that would cleanse our
cleanses each other with eggs orthey would um certain things
like putting a rosary by the bedor putting a rosary in a glass
of water or things like that,and not realizing that that is
Mexican folk magic.
It's not just something thatyou know we do because we saw it

(10:29):
in a movie or something likethat.
It was literally passed downgeneration to generation.
So, um, folk magic, I think, isthe biggest way to look at it,
or what we call itchisera.
It's like folk magic because itis something that is passed
down generation to generation,something that's passed down
from person to person, even like, oh, you know, take an egg and
cleanse yourself.

(10:49):
Or, um, you know, put this thingover the door, the saint over
the door, and it'll keep youprotected.
Or, um, oh, your, your daughterwon't, you know, can get
pregnant or won't have aboyfriend.
Hang same Anthony upside downand and she'll find a boyfriend,
you know.
And people do it, not becauseit's, you know, dark or archaic,
but it's because they, they'lltry it, They'll bring it to try

(11:10):
anything.
So we always tell people youknow it's funny like many people
will be 100% Catholic orChristian or conservative, but
when the time comes they'll comesee us, right, yeah?

Lauren (11:25):
It's not how it is, yeah .

Alexis (11:27):
The same way in New Orleans, I feel the same way in
Haking, boatoo and a few othertraditions, but when it comes to
Sancturia, I mean, and Mexicanmagic as well, eric, I'd love to
hear what you have to say aboutthat.

Eric (11:37):
So I personally feel that practices like Sancturia Mexican
ground that is, mostspecifically, help us navigate a
chaotic world.
So we are given and weunderstand within these systems
that we are not the only ones uminhabiting this, this world.

(12:00):
So we have deities, we havespirits, ancestors, earth
spirits as well, that are all ondifferent levels of elevation,
understanding and development.
So, with Sancturia,coranderismo, coranderismo,
mexican folk healing, it allowsus to really be aligned with our

(12:25):
authentic selves, right, andhelps us be directly on our path
, meaning that we are living outour destiny, right.
So if you strip away everythingin Santirya specifically, we're
really looking at, are we livingto our fullest potential, right

(12:46):
?
So in Santirya, you are inalignment with certain energies,
certain deities, which we callOrishas, right?
And these energies, thesedeities, they protect us, they
remove things from our path,they help us manifest things

(13:06):
that are within our destiny, andI would say the same thing
applies to Kudanvadi's more aswell.
It helps us align our body,mind and spirit so we're able to
, just like I said at thebeginning, really navigate this
chaotic world.
Just a little bit of help, youknow.

Lauren (13:22):
So is Santirya considerate.
I really don't know very muchabout it at all, is it?

Frank (13:29):
Oh, hold on, Lauren, doesn't practice Santirya.

Lauren (13:33):
Oh, no, oh, here it comes.

Frank (13:36):
And she doesn't have a crystal ball.

Lauren (13:38):
Are we?

Frank (13:39):
No, but she had a million dollars.
But listen.
Oh, my God.
I wanted to make sure I broughteverybody down a little bit
yeah.

Lauren (13:48):
yeah, I'm sure you don't hear this song.
They're exploded very often,right.

Frank (13:53):
Continue, please.
Yeah, we hear it all the time.

Lauren (13:56):
Sorry, he can't help himself.
I'm sorry about him.
So is it like more ritual typestuff?
Is it more on like a religiouslike?
How would you categorize it?

Eric (14:09):
That's a really good question, I think.
Personally I cannot speak foreverybody, but I would think
about it or I would probablyterm it the spiritual path,
spiritual practice as opposed toa religion.
I mean, it is definitely areligion in its own right
because we do have a corpus ofit's not really literature, but

(14:29):
it's an orally transmittedbelief system, basically right.
But the reason I feel like it'smore of a spiritual practice is
because it really helps usdevelop a relationship to again
our authentic selves and ourconnection to our personal deity
, our personal orisha.
So we become protected, like Isaid, protected by them.

(14:52):
But rituals should not behappening every day.
These are usually when we wantto bring certain elements into
our life, whether it's a freshstart, a business, children, et
cetera, right.
So that's why we would implorethose style of rituals, yeah.

Frank (15:11):
Is there an California like American version of an
orisha?
Is that something that is therelike maybe another term for
that, that is, I don't know moretranslated to like Catholicism
or people of Christian faith orJudaism or anything else?
Or is that just California?
I say California because that'sa good question.
Yeah.

Eric (15:33):
I think, if we had to, maybe and this is just me
speaking I think if we had tomaybe compare it to something, I
would probably compare it to anangel.

Lauren (15:46):
Okay, Okay, okay.

Frank (15:49):
That's what I was looking for, cause that's kind of what
it sounded like to me.

Lauren (15:52):
Yeah, I was going to ask cause like.

Eric (15:53):
It's pretty complex, though, right?
Orishas are ancestors.
They're elemental spirits.
They're kings and queens.
They've lived on this earth.
Some of them have, some of themhaven't.
There's just a.
They're in their own category,okay.

Lauren (16:09):
Are they separate from?
Like your spirit guides, likeyour spirit team is that, or are
they kind of in that categoryso they're separate Like?
Are they specifically likeassigned to you, or can everyone
kind of talk to the same Orisha?

Eric (16:24):
So good question Believe it or not?
We believe.
Before you come and incarnateon this world, in this world,
you actually choose your Orisha.
So even you two have personalOrishas, okay, and they are
discovered right.
And divination, we don't guess,we don't assume.
This is why this spiritual path, this religion, is quite strong

(16:46):
, because everything is done viadivination.
We have to find out first,there's no guessing.

Lauren (16:51):
And how do you do that?

Frank (16:53):
Yeah, what's the?
What are the common divinationpractices?

Lauren (16:55):
Yeah.

Eric (16:56):
So there's, there's three common types of divination
within Santeria you have at the,you have Ifa, which is kind of
its own class right.
Most commonly employed would beIfa or, specifically for me and
my house, myile.
We would use Kauri shells,which we've called, we call

(17:18):
Delogun right.
So that is Oracle using Kaurishells.
What kind?
Of shells.
Yeah, kauri shells.
If you look at it you're like,oh, I know what that is.
Yeah, yeah, you've seen themlike on surfer, like surfer
necklaces, things like that.

Lauren (17:32):
Oh, okay.

Eric (17:33):
And then the last form of divination would be called Ogi.
In Santeria we specifically usecoconut to four pieces of
coconut to ask yes or noquestions, but specifically to
understand and you know, see whoyour Orisha is.
You would use Delogun or Ifa.

Frank (17:51):
Man, you guys grew up with shells.
It sounds like I had a magiceight ball and it's just not as
cool yeah.
No, that's cool, yeah, usuallybreaks half the time.

Alexis (18:02):
Have you ever watched somebody doing like Delogun or
Ifa?
It's so intricate andcomplicated that you're just
like, wow, this is like a formof divination that very few
people will actually know andknow how to do it correctly, and
it's nothing.
Any divination you've ever seen, really not even tarot cards.

Lauren (18:18):
Yeah, I was going to ask how separated are, like tarot
cards versus the shells.
Very, very separated, so soseparate, like not even close,
cause.
Yeah, it seems like anybody canlearn how to read tarot, but
this sounds really complex.

Eric (18:35):
Yeah, but even tarot is very.
Yeah, but tarot is actuallyvery complex, right, it depends
on how far you take it.

Lauren (18:41):
Right, do you have one, orisha?

Eric (18:44):
So in Luku Mi, santaria, we have one Orisha, that is, we
are initiated to, but we wouldhave, technically, a mother and
a father, right?
So there's female and maleOrishas and it doesn't matter
what your gender is or anythinglike that.

(19:05):
You will always have two maleOrishas.
So if me, for instance, I'minitiated to the Orisha Oshun,
which is female, so I also havea counterpart to that which is
male, and that would be Ogun.
So technically you can say two,but even if you don't get
initiated, you will have one.
Oshun has seen a lot ofpopularity within the last

(19:27):
couple of years.
She's definitely a complexOrisha.
Typically, when people startunderstanding and start reading
about Santaria, they come toassociate her with the river,
sweet things and by honey,vanity, beauty, love, sexuality,
et cetera.
Right, you got the good one.

(19:47):
Well, the more you developwithin the religion, you
understand that they're complex,just like we're complex.
So we have many faces.
Right, we walk many paths.
So Oshun is also a warrior,she's also a business woman,
she's also a mother.
So these Orishas, it's betternot to think of them so one

(20:08):
dimensional, because they have,again, many sort of paths.
Oh, this is very interesting.

Frank (20:13):
I have never heard of any of this.

Lauren (20:15):
No, me neither.
It's very fascinating.

Frank (20:18):
Again, growing up in like a split household where I'm
definitely more white than Cubanas far as like culturally
associated, I always got likeI've heard of throwing shells.
I didn't know what it wascalled, but again like the
context was always pretty bad.
When does this dive into whateveryone is so associating with

(20:38):
darker stuff?
What's the darker end of thisthat everyone is so afraid of?

Alexis (20:43):
Well, when it comes to Sanctadia, it's mostly like one
of the biggest stigmas.
I think or thing that peopleshy away from is that it does
require animal sacrifice forceremonies and rituals.

Frank (20:54):
Got it.

Alexis (20:55):
But when we see that, immediately we think of 80s,
sectanic panic and all theseportable images in the doorhead.
We don't think about the factthat if you go to McDonald's
your chicken nuggets were goingto be a whole, but there are
hundreds of chickens spread on aline where their heads cut off
really quickly.
Yeah, obsessed that's a greatpoint.

(21:16):
Whereas if you ever actually dowatch a Sanctadia ceremony, the
chicken is cared for, it's fed,it's given water, it is actually
bathed ritually, it is killedritually, blood ritually and
then eaten, thank you.
So if you think about it fromthe perspective of like, if you
go to the store here, there'shundreds of chickens ready

(21:38):
processed for you.
If you go to a place likeNigeria, where the tradition of
Sanctalia comes from originally,they don't have that, so they
have to literally grab a chicken, kill the chicken, process the
chicken.
But in this tradition, let'skill the chicken, offer its life
to our deity, because withoutthem we cannot continue, and
then we are also gonna eat thatoffering as part of our ceremony

(22:02):
.
So I think that that's where weprobably see the biggest like
darkness aspect of it.
And then, of course, just likeany other African traditional
religion, there is a witchcraftin Sanctalia.
There is witchcraft in thesetraditions as well.
There's like there's awitchcraft in every community.
Pretty much all over the worldthere's some form of witchcraft.

Frank (22:24):
And that's funny.
So we're just making dinnerhere and we're just also
thanking our Aresha.
This makes sense.

Lauren (22:31):
That makes sense where yeah, where, like one story
follows another and like itgrows into fear, like you hear,
like they're doing this, andthen it's like, well, that's
scary, and then you don't knowabout it, you don't learn about
it, and it's just becomes thislike Fear of the unknown.

Frank (22:50):
The classic, as usual.

Eric (22:51):
And I think also as well, you touch upon something that
Sanctalia and these traditionsthat are developed in Africa are
very secretive because you haveto be initiated to participate.
There is no outsiders coming inand participating in certain
rituals.
You would have to have receivedsomething to see something or
to engage in something.

(23:12):
You have to receive somethingfirst before you can see how
that ritual is done, soeverything is very secretive.
It's an it's it's initiatorybased right.
We have our elders who havebeen passed along these oral
traditions for many, many, manyyears generations.

Frank (23:30):
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean you're supposed to bebaptized in Catholicism as well.

Lauren (23:34):
Well, I mean with Reiki, you're supposed to have an
attunement.

Eric (23:38):
Like someone is the one that like gives you, you know,
access or whatever, like, yeah,that's we would say the same
thing, probably at MexicanGuaranda de Eastmore, to some
extent even Hechicidia, which islike magic and sorcery, and
Brujitia as well, which is whichcrops.
So you see this, you see thesame thing.
It's passed on from generationto generation.

(23:59):
That's why these traditions arecalled living traditions.

Lauren (24:02):
Right, eric, does all of your family practice or like.
How does that work as far aslike generations go, or like
with you specifically?

Eric (24:11):
Specifically in Santeria I am the first one of that
knocked on the door, as they say, and went in right For Guaranda
de Eastmore, Hechicidia,brujitia.
I do have family members thatpractice as well, like I'm sure
many Chicano, mexican-americanand Mexican people have had
family members somewhere downthe line that have practiced.

Lauren (24:35):
Are you?
You're a medium too.

Eric (24:37):
Yeah, Alexis and I are both mediums, Are you both?
We're both states.
Yeah, Alexis is very much oneas well.
You know there's differenttypes of mediums and my I come
from a family that are mediumsas well, so I grew up a lot with
mediumship in my family.

Lauren (24:54):
Oh, wow.

Frank (24:56):
That's awesome.
I mean it sounds like you camefrom a family that is more open
to this type of thing.
Did you have any like negativeconnotations you had to work
through when you were growing upwith your mediumship ability,
or when did your mediumshipability actually present itself?

Eric (25:12):
For me specifically, one of my first memories, to be
quite honest with you, is thesame spirits, and I don't see
them anymore, but I can see themin my mind's eye and I can feel
them and I can get messagesdirectly from them.
But really, my mediumshipprobably started about my
development.
I should say probably startedabout 15 years ago.

(25:34):
I lived in San Antonio for awhile San Antonio, texas, and
there's a lot of stuff that goesdown in San Antonio, oh, really
.
So I started learning frompeople there.
Yeah, anywhere there's a largeHispanic Latino population.
There's some stuff going on.
What about you, alexis?

Alexis (25:53):
With me my mediumship.
Definitely as a kid there wassome weird stuff here and there,
sensing stuff I didn't evenknow I was.
I found out many years laterthat I was grown.
I did grow up in a hauntedhouse and was always this one
area Like.
I was always afraid of this oneroom, which oddly enough, was
our room where we kept all ourtoys.
But I was always afraid of thatroom.

(26:14):
And then I found out many, manyyears later that there was a
spirit that was usually seenthere.
So never really encouraged, Ididn't get the like oh yes, be a
medium and you can see spiritsor anything like that is growing
up, not for my parents At least.
I did have an uncle that didkind of practice a lot of these
traditions, but very, veryquietly and privately.

(26:36):
Then, as I continued, it wasn'tuntil about 2003, so about 21
years ago or so, that I startedconnecting with Mexican folks
known as Santa Muerte, verypopular Mexican folks, and
that's kind of how I starteddeveloping more of my practice
with Brujería, echicería andCurandabismo and then from there

(26:58):
my path just kind of continuedeven more so until now and now
I'd say in the more recent yearshas my medium hit a higher
level working with the podcast,working with clients, with
students even, and then doingreadings and things along those
lines and helping people onthose aspects.
That's definitely how it'sexpanded more these days.

Lauren (27:20):
Oh, wow.
So it's like, yeah, it's beendeveloping.

Alexis (27:23):
It's been a journey, because I've even found like I
think it was until about maybethree years ago I've always used
cards, not tarot cards.
I actually used Lotharia cardslike Mexican bingo cards,
Because I grew up playingMexican bingo with my family and
so I would see these cardsconsistently and I kind of
started developing a connectionto working with them as a way of

(27:45):
reading, and I find myselfusing the cards mostly as a
jumping off point now.
So the card kind of gives methe general symbol and now the
messages kind of just kind offlow through.
But it was very weird, likemaybe three or four years ago,
where I hit like a point where Iwas like, oh, there are no
cards in front of me andmessages are coming out.

Frank (28:05):
Nice.

Alexis (28:06):
So a continuous development, and then, not long
around the same time and I don'tknow if Sarah recounted the
story or not, but she may havetold you about how she went
through spiritual growths- yeah.
And these are chaotic, crazy,weird things that I hope doesn't
happen to people but at thesame time it does, where you

(28:29):
basically feel like you haveleft your body for like a few
months and it's really chaoticand hectic and weird and it
feels like there's somethingwrong with your brain.
And it happened around summerand I ran into Sarah, luckily,
at this event that was like theheight of that peak of that
sensation and she did kind oflike a little quick scan and she

(28:52):
was like oh, you're just goingthrough spiritual growth and she
had gone through that.
She had gone through that.
But, like she said, the best Ican give you is don't resist,
just allow it to happen.
Because for her she resistedand it lasted three months.

Frank (29:07):
OK, how long did that last for you?

Alexis (29:11):
About a month, about a month, maybe almost a month and
a half, and it is a horrifying,terrifying experience.
At the same time, it helps.

Frank (29:21):
I've heard people describing that as shedding
veils.
I don't know if that's theterminology you use, but you
know I have.

Alexis (29:28):
But I love that terminology that makes total
sense actually.

Frank (29:32):
And just having to like relearn how to integrate
yourself with this new knowledgethat you have.

Lauren (29:37):
So it felt like you were just like not in your own body,
or did you just feel likereally weird internally?

Alexis (29:46):
This is the best way I can describe it.
Think about the last time youwere at a grocery store and then
think about, like, being in thecheckout aisle and getting your
purse or whatever you need tocheck out.
Now you know how that was amemory.
Imagine that, but it's inactual time.
So you're there but you're notthere.
It's almost like you were therebefore, but you're literally

(30:08):
physically there.
I was literally teachingclasses, doing interviews.
We did a lecture that day,actually the day I ran into
Sarah, we did a lecture at oftenrich best and I was like
literally talking and the wholetime I'm on mind, I'm like how
am I talking, how am I doingthis?
Oh my God, this is my sayingthings correctly, you know.
And then at the end everybody'slike applauding.
It's just, it's a completedisconnect from mind and body.

(30:32):
And then Wow, you're like on ahigher psychic level and it's
it's absolutely terrifying.

Lauren (30:40):
Yeah, to go through that .
I feel like I've had thatfeeling before for half a day or
something, but to have thathappen for like weeks would be
really pretty terrible.

Frank (30:52):
You had stories like this too.

Eric (30:54):
I mean there have been moments where I feel kind of
disconnected, but I always kindof like, for me personally, what
I do and this works for me is Ilike to take little like
spiritual breaks, meaning theydon't really engage like
hardcore Right.
So I definitely take a break tokind of not recharge, because
I'm always recharge where we.
We're always recharge,practicing right.

(31:15):
Sure, not approaching it soaggressively, if that makes
sense.
Yeah, that's a harsh word, butyeah, you know, just take a
little break here and there andthen go back and you'll realize
that, okay, by taking that break, going back in Now I'm now I'm
experiencing everything with aprep set of eyes and
understanding.

Frank (31:33):
That makes total sense to me.
I mean, even you know, sinceLauren and I have started
engaging in our spiritual selvesagain, they're actually paying
attention Like we.
I've had moments where I'm like, oh, like I'll meditate a lot
one day or like get to a nextlevel of meditation, and the
next day I, to a certain extent,feel burnt out on it.
Not that I'm not interestedanymore, but it's almost like I
spent my fuel.

(31:54):
I need to like, yeah, keepworking on the muscle.
That's funny.
And I also have a full day oflike a feeling very dissociative
.
I remember one day inparticular we weren't together
yet, but I was doing a lot ofmeditating and stuff like that.
And then I went to school thenext day.
I was in audio engineeringschool and I remember driving to

(32:15):
school in Hollywood, which youknow, at the time I lived out
here, so it took me like 45minutes to get there.
But when I parked I was likehow did I get here?
Oh God, Is it safe to drive?
Should I not have driven?
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm assuming that's likemaybe that's my experience with
that.
Honestly, that's spot on.
Yeah, yeah, like I don't knowhow I safely traveled.

(32:37):
Yeah the scariest part was so.

Alexis (32:40):
I went through that, which lasts a long time.
She had to talk to ElaineIreland I don't know if she
mentioned she did yeah, so shetalked to her and Elaine kind of
helped her through it.
So I had to talk to Elaine andthe scariest thing with Elaine
was like, yeah, you'll get maybelike two or three in your
lifetime and I was like, oh no,I have to go through this again.
Oh my God.

Frank (33:03):
Was it when you like felt like yourself again?
Was it like a gradual process,or was it like one day, or just
you felt you felt good again?

Alexis (33:11):
It was definitely a gradual process.
I think the scariest part forme is like I consider myself an
open minded skeptic.

Frank (33:17):
We like that.

Alexis (33:18):
Definitely open minded.
Very dambly, you know,spiritual, but at the same time
skeptical.
Yeah, so when things like thishappen, I'm looking for the
scientific reason and so I, youknow, I see a therapist was
actually recommend all mystudents to see therapists and
my therapist you know I'mtalking about my therapist like
well, I talked to a doctor and adoctor says that I'm this may

(33:40):
be early signs of dementia andmy therapist is like you're not
having a real sense of dementia,like even he was like you know,
because he was like mentalillness, and he was like you're
not, you're not mentally insane,like there's.
He's like I know, you have, youknow, with a therapy for years
with you You're going throughsomething spiritual.
Just allow it to happen.

(34:01):
Like you know, your spiritualteachers say and and write it
basically so, yeah, it's, it's apretty intense thing.
And then when it was slowlygoing away, not only is it
gradual, but there's always thatfear of like falling back into
it.
So there's like consistent,like like, oh God, I'm going to
go back into that space again.

(34:21):
So it was a very, very tryingtime for me.

Frank (34:25):
I assume it feels like having the like rug pulled out
of under you and you having to.
You know like I've got a joband I have to operate still as a
as a human being.

Alexis (34:36):
That was the only.
The only good thing about it is, you know, we run our own shop,
we teach our own courses and soa lot of our own stuff is all
it's all on a spiritual level.
So it's okay to be in front ofstudents and be like, by the way
, I'm going through spiritualgrowth, I'm going to be fairly
disconnected, and there may bemoments where I catch myself or
you know, things like thoselines.

Frank (34:54):
I mean that's such a nice position to be in.
That's such a nice position tobe in.

Lauren (34:58):
On the other side of it.
Did you notice a big difference?

Alexis (35:02):
I noticed a big difference afterwards.
Yeah, but, yeah.
But like I mean because that'swhenever I noticed like, oh, I
don't need cards to get messagesanymore, they're just kind of
popular stuff, definitely afeeling sensation, feeling
things more.
Okay, it's been a very even likewith Eric.
When Eric does cleansing thisis one of the reasons I love
when he does workings he hisguides kind of come through and

(35:25):
channel messages to give to theperson he's cleansing.
And that had never really beena thing for me.
It was more so just kind oflike my guide's telling me what
needs to be done and thengetting it done.
But now it's more so like that,like now they're starting to be
like oh, and let them know thisor just tell them this word you
know and you tell them thatword of them, immediately, like

(35:49):
tears are coming out of theirmouth.
So because it's things theyneed to hear, it's things that
come through messages from theirguides or their guardians.

Lauren (35:57):
I'm still curious, like how information comes in.
You just hear like a word thatyou're like I'm supposed to say
this.
You just know that, yeah, I'mgetting this.

Alexis (36:05):
Yeah, here's the word comes out.
You know, and I know, with Ericit's very different, because
Eric Eric picks up on that too,but he also has guides that
speak through him.
So he will literally get fullblown senses and stories and
things that he has to tellclients.
Wow.

Frank (36:22):
Before I get into this like weird last question How's
the shop going?
Great?

Alexis (36:28):
Great.
We are consistently working.
I mean, if you know this, youknow you know this just from the
amount of times we emailed backand forth we're consistently
working on something.
We're always adding things andchanging things around.
One of the reasons we opened upCity Alchemist was because oh,
we saw this the story, like Ericand I love to go shopping at

(36:51):
various like witch shops andbotanicas and things like that
but we couldn't find like theexact shop we wanted to shop at,
so we kind of had to make itour own.
That's so nice, yeah, so that'sgreat.
We made our own prop, you know,and we're consistently adding
things.
We just we have an onlineschool now that we teach

(37:11):
everything from Goendari Sma toNecromancy to traditional
witchcraft.
We do online courses throughour website as well.
We have a new class coming upthat Eric is gonna be
orchestrating on candle magic.
We see clients, we docleansings, we even do candle
fixing, which is a little moreof a dying art in the community

(37:36):
around here, especially, whichis basically where you get a 70
candle maybe like, for example,a road opening candle or a money
candle and we will add the oilsand the powders and everything
to it and fix it, so that allyou have to do is light it, set
it and forget it, as they say.

Lauren (37:52):
I don't wanna mess.
Do you ship to California?

Frank (37:56):
I want a candle.
Yeah, absolutely Okay, candlefixing.

Lauren (38:00):
Yeah, we do Candle fixing.

Alexis (38:02):
Candle fixing, or they call it velas compuestas is what
it's called in like Spanish, orvelas is another word which,
like, means prepared candles.

Frank (38:10):
So you throw out a term real quick and I wanna make sure
, because I what is NecromancyCause when I think Necromancy.
I have played a lot of Skyrimand I'm thinking about just
bringing zombies back, so I'msure it's not that.

Alexis (38:24):
Yeah, I often refer to myself as a modern day
Necromancer, and the reason forthat is because Necromancy is
essentially working with thedead, either through
communication or throughspiritual interaction.
Okay.
That's my definition of it, atleast.
So a lot of these traditions,even like Santria and another

(38:45):
Cuban Congo based traditionknown as Palo Mayome, and then a
Brazilian tradition that wepractice which is called
Quimbanda these are allNecromanic practices, meaning
that they are practices thatcommunicate and work with
spirits.
Okay.
When you think Necromancy, yes,your mind immediately goes to
medieval times of bringing forthcorpses and making skulls and

(39:09):
all kinds of things.
Yes, but modern day Necromancyis more so being able to connect
with spirits in all their forms, whether it be a human spirit,
an animal spirit, a spirit ofnature, and being able to work
with that spirit.
So, for example, in Palo Mayome, which is very similar to
Santria, they have very similarconnections.

(39:31):
It's just more Congo based asopposed to Nigerian based.
We believe that every object,plant, tree, every organism,
everything has spirit, and so wehave the ability to work with
those spirits in order to makethings happen.
So, for example, whenever weneed a spiritual bath, we don't
just grab some basil and somerosemary and say well,

(39:54):
apparently this is supposed toclean you.
So here you go, just touchyourself with this bath.
We grab basil and rosemary,because those are spirits
themselves, and one of them is aspirit of healing and one of
them is a spirit of cleansingand another one may be a spirit
of removing negativity.
And so by macerating thosespirits altogether into life
force, which is water, we areliterally creating a new spirit,

(40:17):
if you will, that is going tocleanse and remove the
negativity from our body.
So it's not just a simple addthis, add that you're done.
It's a ceremony, it is atradition, it is a way of
connecting with the spirits ofeverything to create some form
of action or magic.

Frank (40:36):
And you're creating a new spirit through combining these
spirits and combined with yourintention.

Alexis (40:43):
Yes, absolutely, and that's something that we do.
In Palo, we create what arecalled perendas or gangas Even
in Kibanda they're calledasentamentos and they are
essentially a combination of amain spirit that we're working
with or in Palo de Cala, muerto,which literally means a death
or a dead, and then we combinethem with animal, plant, mineral

(41:07):
, all these things that havetheir own spirit, into one giant
spiritual pot, essentially,which is called an asentamento
in Brazil or a prenda in Cuba,and by doing that now we have a
very powerful natural force thatis not only a human spirit, but

(41:28):
is a human spirit that is nowcombined with the essences of
nature, spirits.

Frank (41:32):
OK, ok, it's kind of like oh boy, oh boy.
Again I got kids.
It sounds kind of like Elsa'slike big ice monster thing, but
like you know it was friendly,it helped her out.
It really what a bad example.

Alexis (41:49):
And they can be friendly .
That's the thing is that Palogets a big stigma for being a
dark religion because they usethings like human bones and work
with spirits.
But essentially a Palo Brahmacan be used to heal someone just
as much as it can be used tohurt them.
So it really is.
It does lie in the heart of theperson who is the practitioner

(42:12):
and the things we talk about inour in our Brujaria book.
But Brujaria is that witchcraft, like dark magic, essentially
exists not just because we wantto hurt people for fun.
It's mostly because sometimesthe law is not on our side.
So what better way to do tohave that justice than to call
in spirit and make sure that ourjustice is taken account?

Frank (42:32):
Gotcha.
So it's in the, it's in the eyeof the necromancer, as they say
, as the common saying.

Lauren (42:39):
As everyone says, common phrase.

Frank (42:43):
Alexis, there was an episode of the Night Owl podcast
that was pretty impactful to meand you were present.
I remember you played a bigrole in it.
You had to.
I remember you were gathering abunch of I think you were
hitting a drum and you had abunch of herbs and all this
stuff and you said you wereworking with the spirits of of
the land to kind of bring like ahomeostasis back to this house
that had kind of fallen out ofbalance.

Alexis (43:04):
Yeah, I think that was the.
If I'm not mistaken, that's themurder house episode.

Frank (43:08):
I think it was called the murder house.
Yeah, that sounds right.

Alexis (43:10):
Yeah, that was a very, very intense case for us.
It sounded nice.
Yeah, stephen and I have beenfriends since college and we've
been very interested in this fora very long time.
We joke around a lot Likethere's so much unedited stuff
that does not make it into thepodcast.
Most of it is pretty much thesame jokes you've been doing,
like today, like it's like allthat you know.

(43:31):
We just make stupid jokes allthe time.

Frank (43:32):
Yeah, that's not all about.

Alexis (43:34):
It's funny when we left that house for the first time we
were silent, like we had nojokes, no wisecracks.
We were just stunned with howhorrible it was that the people
that had died there, and thenjust the energy in the space was
just as bad.
So one of the things we had todo or I had to do was create a

(43:57):
ceremony to kind of bring thatenergy back, because there were
some good like energies, justlike just just shy of where the
land kind of ended.
So we had to do a ceremony tobring forth the energies back so
that we could basically let thespirits know the land spirits,

(44:18):
the good spirits, the nativespirits that this home needs
blessings again because of allthe horrible things that had
happened there.
And you know, you know thiswhen you go to a place where
maybe somebody has died orsomebody was killed, there's a
feeling, there's a weird feelingin the air or it just seems off
.
That's what that is.
It's the house itself has beenimpacted by the things that have

(44:41):
happened there.
So you have to kind of resetthe land and reset the house so
that good energy can kind ofstart flowing back through it.

Frank (44:50):
Someone who doesn't have your knowledge and skill set
let's say you're my, so my dad.
He flips homes and he's, like,experienced some things.
I think he has a level ofintuition that he hasn't quite
acknowledged yet.
But that said, like is thereany like basic cleansing or do
you really kind of need to knowwhat you're doing and bring in
an expert?

(45:10):
Because I know everyone?
You know I have Palo Santo here, I heard I never knew about
Palo Santo until I listened toyou talk about it, and then I
also have Sage and stuff.
But same thing, like I'm not anexpert.
I can light it up and like, doall the stuff, but I'm not.

Lauren (45:24):
And like have a crystal here and there.
Yeah, I got it.

Frank (45:26):
I got it.
I got a crystal right here, butit's me kind of going through
the motions to a certain extentbecause I don't fully understand
it.
So I don't know, is thereanything that, like your average
average Joe can do, or is itjust better to get a pro?

Alexis (45:39):
For basic.
Like you know, the house isfeeling a little off, absolutely
.
Palo Santo, Sage.
You know, whatever those thingsyou want to use to kind of
clear the energy, is totallyfine If it's more advanced than
that.
If you're dealing with, forexample, like a situation like
the murder house, where thereare multiple murders in one
space, or you know even a spacewhere there just seems to be a

(46:01):
lot of horrible spiritualactivity, it's really good to
find a practitioner, a genuinepractitioner, who can go in and
kind of gauge the situation,because it's kind of like
something that we say in Quilandde Lisbon not all the cures are
the same.
You know, if we have a line ofpeople outside to get cleansings

(46:21):
, you know Eric and I will docleansings, for example for the
public.
We do public cleansings.
We're not using the same thingon every single person.
You know we're taking a quickweek, doing a really quick
analysis and being like okay,this is what we need to use on
this person.
The medicine's always going tochange depending on the person
and depending on the location.
So it is going to require abigger person, usually for like,

(46:45):
a really bigger job.
Now, in the case of your father,who you said is like flips
homes.
I would actually recommend,like before he even like starts
working on a property, to justdo a very simple introduction Hi
, I am so-and-so.
I'm just here to beautify thishome and make it beautiful again
so that someone else is goingto come here and take care of it
, and then you can offer alittle sage or something to the

(47:07):
land tobacco even as an offeringand saying like I'm sorry for
any other things.
I mean it happened on thisspace location.
I was not present for that.
I'm just here to fix andbeautify this space.
I love that so much, that's nice.

Frank (47:21):
Love, make and peace with , With, with a space, and just
like treating it with respect.
I feel like that's so important,it's so nice and any yeah,
energy that's there Like they'renot feeling encroached upon, or
like piss that you're coming toknock down a wall here or there
, whatever yeah and also justeven hearing you describe it
like that sounds something thatlike anybody can do, like you

(47:43):
can go in and do that and likejust thanking, thanking a space
for you know, allowing you toengage with it.
It just sounds like somethingyou should be doing anyway.

Alexis (47:54):
I would say we have a tendency to believe that when we
buy something it's ours.
Yeah right, but the land andanything else that was there
before was was there before wewere right.

Frank (48:03):
So that's not capitalism.
Come on, alexis, I own all mystuff.
No, I think that's an amazingpoint.

Lauren (48:11):
Yeah, when you say that you do a cleansing for someone
and you take a little peak, areyou, is it like their aura,
their Energy, like what are youare you tapping into?
Like their brain, their pastlives, their life?
What is it?

Alexis (48:27):
Eric, I was all of the above right.

Eric (48:30):
Yeah, I think so.
I think it's difficult toReally can point it, because
every medium, every good on thatwill go on that as different.
It's really hard to explain ithonestly.
It's just for me.
I just, I just say I'm tappinginto the current, I'm tapping
into their, their current, theirenergy, but I think that energy

(48:52):
is a loaded term, right?

Frank (48:53):
Yeah, it doesn't really begin to describe what really is
going on, right my last bigquestion, which I kind of
mentioned in the email that Isent you, was that our, our
trusted family psychic, who I Ilovingly refer to in the fake
name of dr Claire because we'renot outing him he's told me a
few times he's like, he's like Idon't know what's up, but like

(49:15):
you have an envy issue, I'm likeI don't really like.
Sure, I mean, I see somebodywith a nice car on occasion.
I'm like that's a nice car,like I can't afford that.
But but he says like, oh, yourenvy is a big deal.
And I was like what are youtalking about?
So recently I had COVID and hesaid that basically my ADD brain
was calm enough that he canlike read it a little bit better
.
And he said, oh you, you smelllike Santoria, you smell like

(49:35):
you inherited someone else'senvy.
So he thinks that I have aslight envy curse.
I don't even know if that's athing, but, um, I believe him.
Yeah, is it a thing?

Alexis (49:48):
it is a thing that is something we talk about in our
books actually, oh, really, aform of sickness and that we
refer to in code of the leastmore as in media, and media says
whenever it's just one of twothings, it's either Someone has
been envious of you andtherefore they have placed like
a curse on you, not Purposefully, but just because they're

(50:08):
envious of the things that youhave, okay, and then the other
one is that you know they theypurposefully were like sending
that energy toward you.
But there's also Some people doit naturally.
So, for example, they may havethe envy of themselves and they
give it to people on accidentBecause they already have that

(50:31):
the ability to do that.
Essentially, you may see this alot with like what we call evil
.
I right, mom.
They'll pull immediately liketouch a child or touch like
somebody on the head when theysay, oh, they're so beautiful,
and they touch their headbecause they don't want them to
get the evil eye.
It's, it's the same your enviousof the fact that they have
beautiful hair, you're enviousof the fact that we have a
beautiful face, or they havegorgeous eyes.

(50:53):
So we, we touch them as a wayof connecting ourselves to them
and saying don't send anythingto them though, don't connect
like send any envy to them.
I'm okay with the fact thatthey have beautiful eyes or
beautiful face, so that issomething.
But now the something, theother part of that, I'm not too
sure.
That's something that you wouldhave to ask Eric about.

Frank (51:13):
Eric, any insights?
Oh, I was specifically toldthat it was Someone who is
envious not necessarily of me,but of someone else in my family
, and it came to me because itcouldn't get to that person they
was originally intended to goto.
I'm being very vague right nowbecause I'm not trying to out
anybody, but my assumption, justfrom hearing about it a little
bit, was that it may have beenon accident, but maybe not.

Eric (51:35):
I Mean it's definitely possible, right, we can just
really say that's not somethingthat might happen.
As far as the Santadia context,I mean, if you have experience
in this spiritual practice andreligion, oh, really
knowledgeable elder would beable to help you with that issue
.
So as far as like being passedon or I Don't know, I'm just

(51:58):
just kind of a Try to understandit a little bit better.
I've never heard or somethinglike that.
But again, I'm not saying thatthat does not exist.
Sure does anything's possible.

Frank (52:07):
Yeah, yeah, trust me, I've never heard of it either
and I never assumed.
I keep telling Lauren I'm like,I'm cursed, you don't want
nothing to do with me babe.

Eric (52:15):
Yeah, I don't.
I think that that's.
I'm a big advocate forsomething.
Yeah, I think it deservesrespect, sure, so it's be quite
honest with you.
I don't feel like that'ssomething, that's that we can
blame on something.

Frank (52:26):
Yeah, yeah, I would more or less blame it on someone's
intentions or deep envy thatricochet onto me, Sure, which
you know I'm a big.
I'm always gonna talk aboutintentions.
I think it's something peopledon't discuss enough.
Yeah.
Let's assume this was just anUnintentional but like maybe I
received someone's deep envy.
What would you recommend asmaybe a first step for me to

(52:49):
Maybe clear that in some way?

Eric (52:51):
Well, the medium specifically told you as an
ancestral, I will definitelyencourage you to set up some
sort of elevation for yourancestors, for sure, what do you
mean?

Frank (53:00):
by elevation.

Eric (53:01):
Right.
So that way, theirunderstanding that even in the
spirit world you're able toelevate your consciousness,
right To be able to say that Idon't have to have this frame of
thinking anymore, I don't haveto be envious in the spirit
world, I don't.
I don't have to have Andy withme, and by doing that you start
clearing up that issue.
So I don't think this is aSanteria aspect.
I think it's more ancestral andI think that that will probably

(53:24):
be something for a differentpodcast, obviously because
there's a, there's a practice inCuba and Latin America in
general, called spirit is aspirit of these most.
So it's working with thosetypes of spirits and energies.
Okay, but for you, I wouldrecommend definitely just do
some elevation for yourancestors, praying for them,
praying for their clarity, forsure.

Frank (53:43):
Okay, that kind of checks out with some other stuff I'm
supposed to do.
Yeah you're supposed to bediving pretty, pretty deep into
your ancestral yeah, there'smaybe some like latent psychic
abilities on my side of thefamily that I might have.
I've been too busy to payattention to, so I'm trying to

(54:04):
fix that.

Eric (54:06):
Yeah, for you I'm honestly feeling it's more ancestral,
more, more of that elevationwork that we've been talking
about.
You know, there's a saying thatlike this, and I really follows
that you heal yourself.
You also hear your ancestors.

Frank (54:19):
Ah yes that also checks out with something else I was
told recently.
Okay, this is great, that's sohelpful.

Lauren (54:27):
Healing generational trauma.

Frank (54:28):
Yeah, yeah here we go.
Yeah, party, party time, guys.
Eric Alexis, you are awesome.
Is there anything else you'dlike to tell people about any of
your, your practices or yourwork, or where they can find
your books?

Alexis (54:40):
You can find our books pretty much anywhere there on
Amazon.
They're pretty much all overthe place.
We sell them through ourwebsite.
When we do get them, we do sellout of them because we signed
them amazing and Well, we do getthem in.
We'll probably have them in afew weeks, more likely, but you
can get us.
You can always find us at cityalchemist, in our Instagram,

(55:01):
city alchemist or Facebookmessenger, anywhere.
You can always reach out to us.
We try to get back to you assoon as we can, or just email us
at info.
City alchemist co.
And we are the kind of peoplethat are if we can't find the
answer, we're gonna findsomebody for you that will.
We don't believe in just beinglike, no, sorry, we can't do
that.
You know, we're gonna try tofind somebody and help you out

(55:25):
in some way.
When it's just like the podcast, we're never just gonna leave
behind dry.
Last words, I would just sayyou know, don't be discouraged
by the social media can be areally good thing for
practitioners.
They can also be a curse,because there's so many people
out there that are saying thisis the right way and this is the
wrong way, and so on and soforth.
Look for, look for good, properteachers.
That's probably really, reallyimportant.

(55:47):
If you can't find a properteacher, reach out to us and
we'll find somebody who we thinkwould be perfectly suited to
you.
That's amazing, thank you bothso much for giving us your time
today.

Frank (55:59):
I might follow up more on the elevation for ancestors
thing.
Yeah, that's interesting.

Lauren (56:04):
You gotta talk to Eric now.
Yeah, you've got it, you've gota journey.
I gotta stop getting distracted.
We're in the middle of like.

Frank (56:08):
We have like three weddings to go to over the night
, or we just went to a weddinglast week and we got two more
weddings coming up.
I'm in one of them, lawrence,and one of them.
So it's just like I'm alsotrying to, like you know, awaken
my, my ability to be spiritualagain.
It's a lot to tackle.

Alexis (56:27):
Yeah, we understand.
It's harder when you actuallyrun the spiritual business as
well.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I'm gonna try to getthere.

Frank (56:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you guys burn out sometimes.
You're just like I don't wantto talk about this right now,
let's watch football.
All right, gentlemen?
Thank you so much again, thankyou in touch.

Lauren (56:51):
We'd like to thank our newest supporter, gargantua
Gargantua.
Gargantua Jones-Borb Jr boughtus some.

(57:14):
Gargantua Jones boy, I can't doit.
Gargantua Jones-Borb Jr boughtus some coffees.

(57:36):
Thank you, gargantua.

Frank (58:02):
You.