January 30, 2025 • 61 mins
Psychic medium Kayla Shivji joins us to share her journey from a religious upbringing to becoming a mentor and channel for spiritual entities. We explore the concept of integrity levels within the spiritual realm. We unravel the importance of both light and dark energies in spiritual growth and how challenging our beliefs can lead to personal transformation. Gain practical insights into shadow work and meditation practices tailored for those who find traditional approaches difficult.
Spiritual communication gets a spotlight as we uncover effective, simple rituals that help establish clear connections with spirit guides. We reflect on the societal perceptions of spiritual symbols and how individuals can adapt these practices to suit their personal comfort. This episode is packed with practical advice on maintaining authentic spiritual connections, encouraging you to embrace your journey with confidence and curiosity.
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Lauren (00:01):
We're back, baby, what's ?
Frank (00:03):
up.
Lauren (00:03):
In this episode we talked to Kayla Shivji, a
psychic medium channel andmentor.
We chatted about channelingintegrity levels and how
Archangel Michael is a realbusinessman.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:16):
And I'm Frank.
Lauren (00:17):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode59 of clairvoyaging way.
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Frank (00:42):
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Lauren (00:45):
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That easy we're back.
Sorry, suckers, whoops youcan't get rid of us that easy.
Frank (00:53):
We're back and worse than ever and ready to party.
Those fires, the Californiafires, were a bit of a bummer
and it kind of took us out forJanuary A bit, a bit, a bit, but
what an absolute nightmare foreveryone involved and so
depressing for the city of LADude.
Lauren (01:13):
But we were impacted just by wind Like big deal, but
it was taking out our power.
We said this and we're sorry.
Frank (01:22):
But boy, there's a lot of wind.
It's like way more than usual.
We've lived here for 13 yearsand it's been like just
increasing and I don't know, Idon't know what's going on
Climate change?
Lauren (01:31):
they say I'm not sure.
Yeah, For January Santa Anawinds are really just not a
thing.
Frank (01:39):
Uncommon.
Lauren (01:39):
Yeah.
Frank (01:48):
Anyway, here we are.
We finally were able to getsome.
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Kayla (02:36):
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You'll also notice that I haven't figured out how to
solve the rolling light issue.
It's doing weird things rightnow, but we'll figure it out.
It's okay, we're a work inprogress.
Lauren (03:21):
We sure are.
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Oh, okay.
Yeah that's that works.
That's fine.
Frank (03:28):
Cool.
It's kind of cyberpunk and Ilike that.
You're getting really into thecyber I do like that, I do like
the aesthetic.
Lauren (03:35):
Frank's getting back into his punk roots lately.
Frank (03:38):
I mean, how could you not during this phase of American
history?
Lauren (03:42):
He has a story to tell, he has some rage to express.
It's not good.
Frank (03:48):
Well, no, it is good, it's healthy.
Lauren (03:50):
It's healthy form of expression.
Frank (03:51):
Guys, and, as you'll find out, in this episode we do talk
about how, you know, the lightand the darkness work together.
It is all part of one thing,and sometimes for something to
flourish, it must crash first,and I'm in a period of my life
where I'm ready to help things.
Tower card.
Lauren (04:15):
Just doing your part, yeah.
A little bit of healthydissonance right To push
patriarchy off the building.
Frank (04:25):
Give it the boot.
Give it the boot.
Speaking of boots, a lot ofboot lickers out there right now
, aren't there.
Lauren (04:30):
Oops, oh, hey, that's a timer for me to pay attention to
my thoughts.
Frank (04:39):
Oh yeah, mine's about to go off.
Lauren (04:40):
We listened to it.
That's very funny.
We listened to it.
Um, we pulled tarot today andit talks our friend Elliot Adam.
Frank (04:52):
Yeah, we were having a bit of a hard time.
You know, january was rough andwe were dealing with a little
bit of depression.
I pulled some cards today howdo we call back our power to us?
And we pulled the magicianupright.
Yeah, hello, I mean I've alwayswanted to pull that card for
some reason, and that's the cardof you know, your, your, your
thoughts are powerful and youare in charge, and you have to
make sure that you are puttingout your order into the universe
(05:15):
of what you want, your future,what do you want to manifest?
Lauren (05:18):
Yeah.
Frank (05:18):
So, because we are having a bit of a you know little
little, we need a little.
Pick me up.
Lauren (05:24):
Yeah.
Frank (05:25):
We one of his suggestions , because we always go to Dr
Elliot Adam for ourinterpretations, elliot Oracle.
Elliot Oracle, and it was hissuggestion was to, every two
hours, while you're trying toget back into the mindset of
positivity and like making sureyou're asking the universe what
you want, raising thosevibrations every two hours, set
(05:47):
a timer to make sure you putyourself into a positive mindset
or pay attention to when thattwo hour timer goes off.
Lauren (05:55):
What are your thoughts focused on so?
Frank (05:58):
yeah, which I took to.
Lauren (05:59):
Currently they're training.
They're great.
Frank (06:01):
Train your brain.
Yeah, train your brain, guys.
Lauren (06:03):
Yeah.
Frank (06:04):
So that's what we're doing.
Lauren (06:05):
Just a fun little practice today With that.
Frank (06:07):
With that.
Lauren (06:08):
Let's get over to Kayla and our chat with her, because
she's awesome and I feel like welearned some new stuff.
Oh, I learned.
Frank (06:18):
We did.
Lauren (06:19):
Yeah.
Frank (06:19):
She has a very interesting system of integrity
that she uses to determine whichspirits to actually interface
with.
Which is super cool and verysimple, and you might be
surprised who which spirits areof a higher integrity level than
you know commonly thought.
Lauren (06:37):
One might think yeah, yeah, Stick around for that.
Frank (06:39):
Some some shockers in there.
Yeah, but yeah.
Lauren (06:43):
What else?
So we enjoyed talking to Kaylaand we hope you enjoy this
episode.
Frank (06:46):
Yeah, hit it.
Lauren (06:50):
Kayla, thank you so much for joining us.
On Claire Voyaging, we arethrilled to meet you and to hear
your story, so would you mindgiving us some backstory on how
you got here and what you're upto now?
Kayla (07:08):
Thank you for having me.
I would love to.
So I have a very complexbackstory.
I was born in Oklahoma, butmostly raised in Virginia.
I was a Navy brat raised in avery heavily religious
upbringing, so I was part of theIndependent Fundamental Baptist
(07:29):
Church.
I also went to that Christianschool and so my entire life
revolved around that.
And I believe it was around theage of 16, I started to go
through a really heavydepression and just started to
question all of these beliefsthat had been force-fed to me
and started to like explore well, what do other people believe?
(07:50):
What is out there, what is kindof like the central being here
in religion?
Um, and through that I justbegan deconstructing, um and
forming my own relationship withGod or source, and in the
(08:11):
beginning I had a lot ofresistance to things like Jesus
and Mother Mary.
And, of course, when I beganthe heart and heaviness of my
healing journey, every time Iwould go get a reading or talk
to a counselor or anything likethat, they would be like, oh, I
feel Jesus here, and so it wasjust everything was pointing me
back into these directions, um,and I resistance around that,
(08:33):
but through just like exploringmy own self, getting in
connection with my higher self.
I began to understand what,like through christ,
consciousness is, um, and itjust began to open up doorways.
So now, um, I am a psychicchannel.
I'm also a spiritual mentor, um, and those two just go hand in
(08:56):
hand.
Yeah, um, and I, I'm doing thispart-time at my mentorship
business.
I'm doing this part-time at mymentorship business.
I'm doing this part-time fornow.
I do have a day job.
I also have three children andthree cats channel like?
Lauren (09:29):
are you channeling spirits?
Are you channeling aliens?
For, like the galactic, we justhad someone who channeled the
galactic federation, so welearned a bit about that.
Kayla (09:33):
Um, I certainly I'm very loosely associated with the
galactic federation, um, Iwouldn't say that's my
powerhouse, um, but I recentlyhad a video on tiktok go mini
viral, viral to me, um, where Ijust popped on like, hey, I was
visited by these galactic beings.
Here's their message I'll seeyou later, um.
(09:55):
And that video blew up and Iwas not expecting it and I was
like, okay, I mean, that's how Iran across you.
Frank (10:02):
I'm like, oh, this is very fun, because it came across
like it was your, maybe one ofyour, I don't know like your
first time is really having thatcool of a channel or something
like that.
I don't know what the wholebackstory was.
What was the backstory to that?
Kayla (10:31):
Well, honestly, the night before I was laying in bed and,
like you know, as you'redrifting to sleep, your mind
kind of opens up a little bit.
And so they just kind of tappedin and they were like hello,
we're here, we have a message.
And I was like I am too tired,go away.
Yeah, I told them I would maketime to channel, and so that
next day I sat down, um, and Iwas just gonna write it.
I thought maybe this is justfor me and I asked, I said, is
this something that I shouldjust record for the public?
And they said, yeah, go for it.
Um, so I literally just set upmy phone, tapped into the
channel and for the most part, Igenerally will just like hear
or receive the information andthen relay it.
(10:53):
So it's kind of like a thirdparty they're saying this this
is what's happening, uh, andthrough this particular channel,
um, it was just such anenergetic match and it was such
a clear um connection that theyended up kind of coming in and
speaking through me.
So I took a back seat and thewhole time I'm watching them.
(11:13):
I'm like, don't say that,that's embarrassing really yeah,
wait what was?
Lauren (11:19):
what did they say?
Kayla (11:20):
that was embarrassing uh well, they just started
referring to me in like thirdperson and they were like
kayla's kind of going throughthis and she doesn't fully
understand that this is what'shappening, and I was like, oh my
god oh my gosh, wow, did I notsend that one?
Frank (11:36):
to you.
Kayla (11:36):
No, oh man, it's, it's a great video it's like five
minutes, but it was complete newexperience for me.
The only time I've seensomething similar, where they
almost come through me, is whenI was channeling Hecate.
Frank (11:53):
That's so funny.
Oh my gosh, frank was justtalking about Hecate.
I am in the middle of learningmore about deities and all that,
because that's all new to me.
So I'm in the middle of a of abook right now called.
It's called Hakate, goddess ofwitches, by Courtney Weber, and
it's basically like Hakate 101.
Lauren (12:15):
And.
Frank (12:15):
I'm like I'm all into it.
I'm like telling her all aboutit and all my friends, but yeah,
tell me more about about thatexperience for you.
Kayla (12:25):
I think initially, in honestly, my like spiritual
awakening at least the majorportion of it began as like a
self-care journey.
I was like I'm disconnected,I'm a stressed out mom and I
need some help.
So I dove into self-care andthrough that I got, um, just
really intrigued by tarotreading and so that's where I
began.
(12:45):
And it probably wasn't.
And that was around the timethat my second child was turning
.
One was when I started tarotreading and really getting into
like giving messages and by thetime I had my third child, which
when you're pregnant, you'revery open.
I mean you're bringing a soulthrough.
So my gifts were just incredible.
(13:07):
And that's when I was like, wow, I'm hearing my higher self,
other beings are coming forward,like this is such a crazy
experience.
So in the beginning it wasreally channeling my higher self
and the angelic realm andthrough that kind of process and
starting my first business up,um, I really connected with
(13:29):
athena.
She came in very heavily andshe was really strongly like my
guiding force through um, mybusiness startup, for a good
year and a half, um, and she shereally helped me with a lot of
like the inner child work whichshe's this warrior goddess,
(13:50):
which she absolutely it.
But she's incredibly nurturing,and so for me my connection to
her was very much inner child umand then it just kind of
skyrocketed from there.
By the time, um, I've neverintentionally thought out
galactic beings on purpose, butevery once in a while they'll
(14:12):
drop in and it's very much likea radio tuning.
I remember one night oh it wasduring the pandemic, but I
almost heard the radio tuningwhere it was like and then a
metal drop in and I was like andthen a metal dropped in and I
was like whoa, this is wild,that's cool, yeah.
And so now, just through thepractice of it and getting super
(14:36):
comfortable with being able todo this and then share that on
the internet, the channels havejust become more and more clear
and more and more intense.
So start.
Lauren (14:46):
When you were like 16, you said you were starting to
like question all of this, allthe, the religious, the
organized religion stuff.
What did you have that like?
Kayla (14:58):
when did you gain this knowledge of like I can channel,
like angelic realms or spiritsor hakate um hakate was very
interesting for me because afterI like fully connected, I was
like, oh, she's been with melike this entire time, um.
But it was like maybe even sixmonths ago, I was sitting in my
(15:20):
backyard and I was googlinghakate and I was can I like work
with her without building analtar and this, that and the
other?
And she just came up and shesaid why don't you ask for
yourself?
And then we just worked indialoguing, um, and it was
powerful, um.
And so after that I juststarted practicing and
(15:42):
channeling with her and justshowing up to our relationship.
Um, yeah, that was crazy, um.
But to answer your originalquestion, um, these are gifts
that I've had since a child, um,and, of course, through the
just programming, I forgot aboutthem.
Right, right, right, right,yeah, repressed them, um,
because now that I'm more aware,I look back at my childhood and
(16:05):
I can see the angels that singme to sleep each night, and then
(16:30):
had these like little touchesthroughout my life, um, which is
really crazy and awesome yeah,so nice so cool?
Lauren (16:41):
was there like a moment where that was like very clear
or it was like a growingunderstanding?
Kayla (16:49):
it was definitely growing .
Um, in the beginning.
There's four main clairs and soin the beginning is very much
just feeling, and when I wouldread cards for people or channel
for people, I'd be like this isthe sensation I'm getting, this
is the emotion, this is whatI'm associating with um, and
then I got better at pinpointing, so I'd be like, oh, this is
(17:10):
your sacral chakra and this iswhat's going on in there.
And then I was like, oh, thisis the base of your brain cord
and at the time I didn't know,turns out that's your nervous
system.
Lauren (17:22):
Yeah.
Kayla (17:24):
But it was really interesting.
I got more and more precise andthen now I will have flashes of
vision where I'll hear thewords.
Usually they're as a thought,but in the beginning of
awakening to this I'm reallypracticing this I was going into
meditation at like 5 am everymorning.
(17:47):
I was very serious about it.
But then one morning I woke upand I got into meditation and it
was like three minutes in and Iheard my name being called,
like from a masculine voice,like physically, um.
So I got up, looked around,everyone was asleep.
(18:09):
Nobody said my name.
I was like that was weird.
Went back into meditation,heard it again, freaked out,
looked all around us.
Um point, I put on music orsomething because I was like
this is creepy, yeah.
Frank (18:25):
So experience hasn't happened again, um, but I, I
hear them as if it's a thoughtso let me ask you this you, I
mean between, like, uh, yournavy adjacent upbringing and, uh
, the christian school.
Those are some very intenseguardrails on your belief system
(18:47):
.
And I, you said you wentthrough like a a pretty bad
depression.
But I mean, how long did ittake you that I'm here's?
Here's what I'm reallyinterested in the journey from
uh I am a navy brat, slash likea deeply christian person to I
work with hakate.
There's a lot of journey in themiddle there so much and and
(19:12):
just also so you know, like our,our listenership probably
hasn't, we haven't talked thatmuch about deity work at all.
And uh, listener, dearlisteners, while we've been gone
because of the fires, I've beendoing a lot of reading on that
stuff.
So that's why I suddenly I'mlike talking about it so openly.
But so what I want to know andfor someone who, like this,
might be there let's assumesomeone is uncomfortable with
(19:35):
that I want, I want you to useyour journey as a way to make
them more comfortable with itand show them, like, what your
process was and getting into it.
Kayla (19:45):
Sure, um, well, well, I always recommend starting with
your higher self, because it'syou in spirit form, um.
The way I always describe it is, um, if your soul is one giant
energy, part of that goes intoyour body as your soul.
That's how you're here, um, andthen the rest of it stays
outside in the astral realm, andthat is your higher self and
(20:06):
that gives you multiple vantagepoints, which is very beneficial
and healing, um.
So that's always myrecommendation.
And just know, like, anytimeyou're doing any kind of
spiritual work or channeling ortarot reading or any of these
divination tools, you're incharge, you set up the
parameters, you set up yourprotections, and I talk a lot
(20:30):
about my preferred parameters.
So I always call in the beingswho are of the highest good, and
then I use an integrity level,so you can think of it as like 1
to 10, but it goes beyond this,but it kind of gives you a
(21:02):
starting point.
So I currently am workingwithin Integrity 9.
When I first started, I wasworking within Integrity 7.
And you can imagine thoselevels just bringing you closer
and closer to truth, um, angelicrealms are typically like an
integrity 12 or higher, um, andif you ask a being hey, what's
your integrity level?
They will tell you um, oryou'll be able to is that a
system like you thought it likewhere?
Frank (21:21):
yeah, I've never, never heard that.
Kayla (21:24):
Um, I could explain it a little more I've not heard it
from many other people, um, butthat was from a coach that I was
working with through myawakening journey.
Um, that was just the system Iwas taught and it really
resonated, um, because you know,we can say, those who have the
highest truth, love andcompassion, that works as well.
(21:45):
That, to me, is just a littlebit too open-ended.
Sometimes I work with darkgoddesses.
They're of the highest light,yes, they are capable of light,
but they're also capable ofdepth and darkness, um, and so
these, even them, are ofintegrity levels, and that I
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don't know.
It just resonated for me and soI stuck with it all this time
that's really, reallyinteresting to me.
Frank (22:12):
Yeah, that seems like such a nice logical system for,
like you, to be able todetermine what you're stepping
into yes, like what would be anintegrity, like three well.
Kayla (22:25):
So integrity three you would think of a being that is
there for nefarious reasons.
They can come from any realm,um, but they're to steal from
you, essentially, um, tricksters.
Yeah, tricksters are typicallyof an integrity five.
Um, they're there just to playwith you.
They want to watch you run incircles.
(22:47):
They think it's funny.
It brings them amusement, um,and recently I had lucifer come
in for a client, um, and becausemy integrity level is nine and
that's my boundary, while I wasin session and I said, do you
work with any deities?
And she said, yeah, these arethe ones.
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And I was like, well, kakate isalready here.
And then I looked back and Iwas like, oh yeah, this is
lucifer.
He's asking to be let in.
Um, so I welcomed him in and Ichecked.
I was like you know why did hehave to knock on my door and
asked permission?
He's integrity 8.5.
He's very proud of the 0.5.
Frank (23:26):
Okay, so again for our listenership.
That's going to freak somepeople out.
Lucifer's a big one.
Kayla (23:34):
It is a big one.
People are coming for Rube.
I'm still working through somethings there, but Sure.
Yeah.
So when he showed up, I waslike, oh man, I'm going to go
have to do my shadow work, I'mgoing to have to work on my
beliefs.
Like just the fact youpresented to me, I was like, oh
dang.
(23:54):
Right, but you know, we have somuch fear associated there.
But he actually works veryclosely with Archangel Michael,
with Archangel Michael and whenI was channeling with him for
the sake of this client, Iinvited Archangel Michael in to
be like my sounding board sothat he could fact check or
(24:17):
whatever, because I have a closerelationship with Archangel
Michael A 12-year-old.
So that's well, you canimplement your own boundaries,
your own rules, your own checksand balances.
Frank (24:32):
Because this is, this is an interesting.
I think this is a question I'vehad for a while too.
Now, what's Lucifer doing ateight, point five, I know?
So we've been with.
I mean, I did a little, alittle bit I don't know what
episode it was.
I did a little solo episodewhere I talked about the
backstory of um Lilith andtalking about how, like you know
(24:55):
, uh, she's been literallydemonized over the past, you
know, as long as she's beenaround, yeah, yeah.
And so now, as for what theChristian religion would have to
say, being the top bad boy here, to hear that thieves and
(25:16):
tricksters are five sub andLucifer is 8.5, I mean,
obviously, just like people, Iwould assume, deities are
multidimensional.
They're capable of many things.
I'm assuming he was presentingto you at an 8.5 because of the
reason he was there.
Kayla (25:34):
Their integrity level cannot change.
If you're a visual receiver,like you, have clairvoyance, you
can actually ask for a deity'strue form.
I love to do this with Jesus.
He's very normal looking.
Frank (25:51):
He's got it, he's just like, like he wants to sit on
your couch with you and likehave some Cheetos right, Like
he's just chilling All right,he's very chill.
What is his integrity level?
Kayla (26:02):
Oh, I don't think I've ever asked.
Frank (26:05):
That's an interesting question 15.
15?
Lauren (26:15):
that's that's an interesting question.
15 15, 15.
You just asked yes, can you sayhi to him for me?
What's up, jesus?
Hey bud she's like hang on.
Frank (26:23):
It was like you were sending a text that's awesome
he's a 15 okay oh no, heresponds to his text faster than
I do.
Yeah, I have to.
I'm what am I?
Lauren (26:31):
I must.
I'm like it was like you weresending a text.
That's awesome.
He's a 15.
Okay, oh no, he responds to histext faster than I do.
Yeah, I have to.
I'm like I'm a six.
What would Jesus do?
Frank (26:35):
I'm a full mid right now.
That's fine, that's really cool.
Okay, so back to Lucifer.
Kayla (26:42):
Yeah, so you ask people to show their true form yes,
yeah, um, because these beingsthat want to work with you, um,
if they're presenting to you andyou're not seeking them out it
could be vice versa, but usuallythey come to me, um, they
(27:06):
present you in a form that makessense to you, something that
you can resonate.
So, like Athena would come tome in a very nurturing,
mothering energy, because that'swhat she wanted to work with me
on, right, um, and at the timeI was like I didn't see clear
(27:28):
like bodies and bases.
She was just a giant pinkenergy, and that's how I knew
that's Athena.
Wow, so, yeah, and so, through,like clarifying my gifts, I
began to play with that.
Like, oh, show me your trueform, I want to see, like, what
you really look like.
(27:48):
With that.
Like, oh, show me your trueform, I want to see, like, what
you really look like.
Um, and I think gaia and jesuswere the ones that I found most
intriguing because of how theworld portrays them so often man
wait.
Frank (28:01):
Hold on what's what's gaia like yeah gaia is like
Earth right.
Lauren (28:05):
She is.
Frank (28:06):
Earth Okay.
Kayla (28:08):
Yes, yeah, mother Earth.
Well, she's striking, she'sdark skinned and she has just a
gorgeous, gorgeous, huge afro,and then she had almost like
golden leaves strung throughoutit, and of course, she can
change her appearance.
So that may not be what shelooks like every time she
(28:31):
presents, um, and then, if shewas in this gorgeous gown, um,
but we typically see her verymuch more in, like the irish
tradition, with white skin, redhair.
Sure, yeah, that's what I sawin meditation was red hair,
(28:51):
white skin.
I said I'd like to see yourtrue form and she was huge, big
in energy, but it would havebeen like a 12-foot being.
Lauren (29:03):
Wow, if it wasn't.
Wow.
That's so cool, oh my gosh.
And what did Jesus look like?
Kayla (29:14):
Your average Middle Eastern man.
He did have a beard.
He was kind of thin and he justhad straight brown hair pulled
back into a ponytail.
Frank (29:28):
Cool.
Lauren (29:28):
That was it, I feel like I'd be, like I have so many
questions More like corrections.
Or like can you say whathappened?
Happened what?
Frank (29:57):
I don't, I'd be like tell me about I don't know, and
maybe that's just uh-oh, thatjust sent, that just sent lauren
, it really yeah, that just Iwould have.
Lauren (30:04):
So I'd, yeah, I'd want like a history, but I guess it
doesn't work that way.
Kayla (30:12):
No, and a lot of times.
I'll do it like flips.
information and an energeticdownload can be so dense that a
three second clip of energy willhave me dissecting and trying
to understand it further foryears yeah really so, yeah,
(30:33):
there's a lot of experiencesthat I've had that I look back
on and I'm like, oh, there'ssomething I didn't see the first
time that I looked at that, um,and so I get more information.
Um, but to take us back toearlier, you had asked kind of
like, how is lucifer at an 8.5?
Um, he actually is a verystructured being.
(30:57):
Um, I always relate arcanamichael to being kind of
corporate, where um he kind ofstraight laced, he often
presents in a suit.
He really loves like.
He's not very talkative but heloves like this is my official
job, here's my form.
Uh, signature.
Good to go.
Um, that's how I see archangelmichael a lot of time that's
(31:21):
really interesting, lucifer hasa similar energy.
Yeah, he still has that bad boyrebellious streak, um, but he's.
He has official business, um,and so to be successful in that,
you have to have integrity,especially when you're dealing
with spiritual realms andspiritual beings.
You can't you cannotcommunicate with both light and
(31:45):
dark and have a nefarious agenda, um.
So even though he does, he is adark god, um.
He he's very serious about hiswork, um, and a lot of times
he's here to help you questionyour beliefs.
He's here to help you be alittle bit more selfish,
(32:06):
especially people pleasers andbeings that were taught to like
sacrifice themselves.
Frank (32:12):
Um, so he just has a different approach to the work
yeah, I, I went to catholicschool for uh, 10 years starting
the podcast and stuff has beena lot of learning or unlearning,
belief systems and the thingI've been on right now,
obviously, I'm reading a bookabout hakate and everything
(32:34):
she's she has been good for andit helps you with um, I've been
really into the concept of like,not the, it's not even a
concept, it's just the truth ofhow you need the dark and light.
They both play a role.
You know, sometimes, like yousaid, they play a role at their
proper times and if it's not theright time, something can come
off as nefarious, even though itmay not necessarily be that all
(32:55):
the time.
So someone like you lauren's apeople pleaser.
So someone like lauren, me, you, someone like lauren could
maybe use a little bit of ofhakate or lucifer or or someone
who, like, might actually helpyou be a little more selfish at
the right times.
You know what I mean.
Lauren (33:14):
Yeah.
Frank (33:14):
Because it's important to do that.
You can't be all one thing allthe time, because any one thing
in any direction can becometoxic.
Lauren (33:20):
I need to talk to Hecate .
Frank (33:29):
I often go into these mini monologues, especially
talking to Lauren about, like Ithink here's what we need, but
it's never coming from a placeof like knowledge.
I'm just reading andreiterating the lessons that
we've learned.
So when I hear you talk aboutit a little bit more, I'm like
yes, yeah, see, I just keepcollecting data until I get to a
point where I'm more connectedand can get downloads myself, so
which I'm hoping occurseventually- you have to do the
(33:51):
5am meditations.
Lauren (33:53):
Yeah that's right yeah.
Kayla (33:56):
I don't do that I'm very lazy with it now.
Really.
They're like please sit downand meditate.
I'm like I don't know.
Lauren (34:05):
I'm having such a hard time like making that time again
.
I was like very dedicated for alittle while and I'm like I
gotta get back into the practiceum.
Kayla (34:19):
My recommendation for anyone that, like struggles with
meditation, um, is to do ameditative activity so that
could be walking, doing yourdishes, coloring anything.
That kind of distracts your egoso that you can focus on the
energetic.
Something repetitive is great.
(34:40):
I found washing dishes isreally good for it.
I hate to dishes, but when Iget in the zone, yeah, magic,
you gamified it, you gamifiedthe dishes.
Good for it.
I hate chew dishes, but when Iget in the zone.
Frank (34:49):
Yeah, magic, yeah, you gamified it, you gamified the
dishes.
Good for you.
I want to go back a little bitagain.
Lauren (34:56):
Let me see here Did you create an integrity system over
there?
Frank (35:00):
Huh, oh yeah, I took notes.
Lauren (35:02):
What do you?
Yeah, you're waiting to fill inall the other numbers.
Frank (35:06):
Oh no, I'm not going to ask about all the other numbers.
Lauren (35:07):
No, no, I just for your own knowledge, just so I can
refer back.
Angels equal 12.
Frank (35:18):
Taylor's at nine.
What made you choose nine?
Kayla (35:21):
I've slowly grown there, so I started at seven and that
was just what felt resonant tome as like a human who wanted to
do good.
Um, and I made the mistake ofasking my guides to help me
raise my integrity level.
Oh um why was that, and theygave me opportunities to mess up
(35:43):
and tell the truth, becausewhat better way to increase your
integrity level than, hey, Ihave to talk to you about this?
This is really awkward.
Be honest, you got to show up.
You got to be an integrityinteresting and so I stopped
asking for that like I'm notgoing any any further then most
(36:07):
of it has just, it's been a veryslow process.
This has been over the courseof years, um, but I, through the
course of just shadow work andintegrating more of myself and
loving more of myself, um, andreally understanding, like, what
values I hold important andthen operating from those values
(36:28):
, um, that I asked to be raisedto an eight um, and gosh, maybe,
maybe a couple months ago nottoo terribly long, maybe a year,
who knows um, my guide came tome and they were just like, hey,
you can raise your integritylevel, like you can stay saying
(36:52):
eight if you want to, butenergetically you've up leveled.
And I was like, oh, thanks,thanks for that notification
you've been promoted you've beenpromoted.
Frank (37:04):
That's so this, this, this integrity system is so
interesting to me yeah, and thathappens with spirits or guides
as well.
Lauren (37:15):
They can expand and grow and up level also what was the
best way for you to do shadowwork?
Was there like did you workwith someone?
Did you work with, like ajournal?
How'd you do that?
A?
Kayla (37:31):
lot of journaling.
Um, fairly early in my journeyI took um kundas.
I can't remember what thecourse was called, but it was a
group course where we would meetover zoom once a week and they
provided like journal promptseach week for us to go through.
(37:53):
And that was a really coolexperience because I got to like
experience and work with myshadow through the journal
prompts and then we would cometogether and we would all share
about our shadows and so we gotto witness each other's shadows
and after those it was so rawand I felt so vulnerable and it
(38:17):
would be the smallest things,but just allowing your shadow to
be seen was a very powerfulpractice.
So that's how it began.
Now it's kind of just a naturallike relationship really, where
I'll notice hey, I'm feeling alittle bit funky.
Where is this coming from?
(38:37):
Oh, that's my shadow.
She needs some attention.
She needs to listen to angrymusic or whatever it is I
haven't done.
Lauren (38:45):
I haven't done a lot of like actual shadow work.
I've done inner child stuff,but the shadow work I'm like
it's probably time.
Kayla (38:55):
Inner child and shadow work is very similar.
Of course, you're going toapproach them a little bit
differently, because your innerchild needs lots of reassurance
and love.
Your shadow also means that.
But if you come at it with likethe same, like little kid
reassurance, your shadow isgoing to get offended.
Um, but those two they reallygo hand in hand.
(39:18):
Um, so the shadow is all of theparts of you that you don't
want to see.
So a lot of the times, thoseare the things that you're
resistant to like.
Well, I'm not, I'm not aninconsiderate person.
Well, maybe, sometimes I am.
Actually, yeah, sometimes I'mselfish.
Um, and so the the purpose ofshadow work is to be able to see
(39:43):
those parts, love those partsand then own them.
Because what happens is when wedeny our shadow, push them away
, they operate in the background.
Whether we got them to, they'remenacing what they desire.
We're just not conscious of it.
So that's why we'reself-sabotaging, that's why
we're putting up roadblocks,that's why we're running away
(40:04):
from love, right?
So when we accept it when webring that love in.
So, when we accept it, when webring that love in, when we say,
hey, actually I totally see whyyou want to sabotage every
relationship that makes sense.
Let me bring some love here,let me sit with this, let me
bring in compassion.
Um, then you build thatrelationship and it's like, okay
(40:25):
, well, now that you see yourshadow, it doesn't have to hide.
Now it can come to you and say,hey, I'm feeling really
vulnerable in this relationship,I'm uncomfortable, and you can
share that.
Or you can take a step back, oryou can put up your boundaries.
You can work with it okay wehave done shadow work.
Lauren (40:43):
Yeah, not probably just in thinking like in that, not
probably just in thinking likein that sense.
In the last year it's beenuncovering some of these things.
I feel like, where does this?
Frank (40:55):
come from.
It's funny because, like for mepersonally, a lot of the work,
so I've done some like innerchild, which is very helpful In
fact, like you know, lifechanging in fact, but then for
shadow work, like I've talked.
Like you know, life changing infact, but then for shadow work,
like I've talked like, uh, youknow I'm always I was uh
informed to be less selfdeprecating.
(41:18):
That was like, and you know, I,I like to make jokes and stuff
like that.
So I, I tended to manage my owndarker self by like making fun
of me.
But you know, at some points onthe wrong days, on the wrong
days, I take it a little tooseriously and there's a
background of self-loathingbecause those are the parts of
me I don't like, um, but they'renot always constant, right?
(41:41):
So I was talking to you aboutlike integrating these things
and not being so shameful ofthem and like, yeah, um, I can't
think of a good example, or atleast one that I want to say out
loud right now, but like, yeah,it's, it is like interesting
that to be a whole person, youhave to acknowledge and accept
(42:01):
those elements too.
Oh, a fun one actually.
We had a psychic therapist whoon the show we've we've referred
to as dr claire and he did alittle uh, past life work with
me one time and he said one ofmy past lives I was like pretty
much a terrible person and likea deep narcissist.
(42:21):
That was just one of them.
But he says if you ever havelike I don't't want to say
narcissistic tendencies becauseI'm not a narcissist, but maybe
on occasion, on occasion I will.
It's funny, I have a podcastTalk about myself.
You know too much and I'm, butI'm also hyper aware of when I'm
doing that and I'm like, oh no,I'm, I'm a narcissist or
(42:44):
something.
And it's like no man, like youhave to to harness that, know
when to use it, and then let itgo and like make room, leave
room for other people.
Yeah, if you spend all yourtime pushing it away, you're in
a constant battle of like hatingyourself or not, and it's it's
hard to do anything.
Kayla (42:59):
Yeah, it's hard to do.
Instead of manipulating otherpeople to give you the attention
you want, you have a healthyoutlet of a podcast right,
exactly so manipulate ourlisteners.
Lauren (43:14):
Yeah, this is giving you attention.
Frank (43:16):
You don't understand, guys episode 100 I'm you're all
in my cult.
Lauren (43:18):
This is it it's all working up to that yeah yeah,
that makes sense for like doingmore of that and then being able
to I don't know be more open,more authentic and more
(43:39):
connected about, likeauthenticity, a lot of who we
think we are, a lot of ourpersonality, especially in, like
, our high school years.
Kayla (43:55):
That's all ego, that's 100% ego.
Oh, and so when we bring insome of those shadow elements
and start to own them andrecognize them, it's like, oh,
actually I'm much more complex.
Yeah, some days love to go andhang out and some days don't
call me, I'm not answering.
Yes.
Frank (44:14):
I feel that oh, my God yeah.
Lauren (44:18):
So now you're doing your .
You said, this is like apart-time business.
Kayla (44:25):
I offer readings, so you can just choose a Tara reading
and I can send you a littlevideo um similar to the readings
you'd find on tiktok, butpersonalized um.
Or we can sit down and havelike an hour-long channeling
session where we'll dialogue,we'll go into some of these,
(44:46):
these childhood wounds, andwhere they're from and how to
heal them, and we can just dothat, as you're called, one-offs
.
Or we can do I've set it up forlike a monthly package where
you get like four-hour sessionsand that's my mentorship and
that's something where we candig into some deeper healing
(45:08):
instead of saying, oh, here'sthe wound, here's how to fix it,
here's your homework, goodbye,it's.
I'm going to follow up, I'mgoing to offer you guidance.
If you really need me, you canemail me, kind of.
Lauren (45:19):
That's cool.
When you do a channelingsession for a client, who are
you channeling?
Kayla (45:29):
their spirit team and I set up the same parameters, and
a lot of times it is theirprimary guides.
I've had ancestors come through, um, one very cool session.
Um, her ancestors like told her, hey, you need to come to her,
(45:51):
and apparently she didn't trustvery many readers, which is fair
.
Um, so we got into the sessionand before well, actually before
we even got into the sessionher guides woke me up by
knocking on my crown chakra.
Um, I tried to ignore them andI couldn't, and they were like
I'm not, you know.
I was like okay, okay, um, sothey like wrote me a letter.
(46:13):
They were like before you getinto the session, you need to
know what's going on and why.
We sent her to you and she, shedidn't have firm boundaries and
she was listening to tricksterspirits.
Um, so when we session she, shewas like why is it?
When I channel with my guides,they'll get kind of angry with
(46:35):
me or not necessarily angry, butthey'll get a little bit
aggressive and they'll be likeoh, I want, I want the red pen.
And there was too many of them.
You know, it's hard to hear themessage when there's 16
different beings sitting thereyelling at you, and so I had to
tell her these are your spiritteam, and then these other ones
(46:55):
are tricksters.
You need to kick them out.
And so we got to that and myadvice for her was to write her
own little contract.
So, while I stayed at, everytime I'd tune in and those are
just like my energeticboundaries that I'd built up
because she had been workingwith these tricksters for a
significant amount of time I waslike you need to create your
(47:17):
own contract, write it down.
This is my integrity level,this is who I'm willing to work
with, these are the messages I'mwilling to receive and then
sign your name.
Frank (47:27):
I really like that you brought such a like spiritual
thing down to a piece of paperfor to make a contract.
That's like can you, can youtalk to us a little bit about
like I mean, because that'sthat's kind of like a, you can
consider that like a ritualright, Like making something
kind of a physicalrepresentation of like a
(47:50):
spiritual request yeah,absolutely.
Kayla (47:54):
Um, I love very simple things.
To be completely honest, ifit's overly complex, I'm just
not going to do it for sure, ifI need my, I'm gonna jump in the
shower, I'm gonna put onhealing frequency.
Yes, I do like smoke cleansing,I do the meditations and source
energy and all of those things.
But there are certain timeswhen your ego is just too loud.
(48:16):
It has to be simple, um, and soI love candle spells.
I love writing it on a piece ofpaper and flushing it down the
toilet.
Um, really, yeah, and that'sfun for my inner child too,
because I mean my inner childlove to make mud potions.
(48:37):
Yeah, oh yeah.
You tell her like, hey, you canflush this thing down the
toilet.
Lauren (48:43):
She's like, oh yes, that's awesome yeah, that's
great, I can get behind a goodtoilet flushing of some some
some garbage notes.
Frank (48:56):
You've done some.
You've done some, some burningof things yeah uh, what'd you do
?
Lauren (49:02):
I wrote down all the things limit, self-limiting
beliefs that I wanted to get ridof and then I set it on fire,
right, I mean it was pretty.
That was like pretty powerful,pretty helpful.
I like writing it all down inone thing where I'm like, oh wow
(49:23):
, I have a lot of these and Ikept going right, same thing
with me, like I don't, like,maybe because I'm tired of it
from.
Frank (49:32):
From being catholic for so long, I saw all the all the
like, very like, drawn out,dragged out ritualism twice a
week for hours, right, and uh, Idon't care to do that kind of
stuff anymore.
But this brings up the questionyou, you earlier, when you're
talking about working with aKata you were.
(49:52):
One of your questions was doyou need an altar, which is all
that ritualistic stuff that likethey do in church too?
What did she say about that?
Kayla (50:01):
She said no, just the relationship.
Frank (50:04):
That's nice.
Kayla (50:04):
She said I love those, they're very nice.
If you want to, I'll acceptthat.
Um, they're very nice.
If you want to, I'll acceptthat, but it was just
communicate with me.
When I tell you to send out amessage, tell the people and.
Frank (50:15):
I was like okay, so much of like the things you read
about working with with deitiesand stuff revolves a lot around
you know, offerings and stuffand rituals and all that and
it's like I'm not.
Like I'm not quite a witch here, so it's like not, that's kind
of out of my comfort zone.
Kayla (50:33):
I'm more of a heady guy so it doesn't resonate for me
either.
It's not.
I've never kept an altar of anykind, um, I'll do an occasional
, very simple spell, likeflushing you down the toilet or
lighting a candle um I've donerecently, through working with
(50:54):
hakate.
She's instructed me to do uh,two or three like more set up
rituals, um.
One was cord cutting, one wastransmutation, um, and then one
was protection, and they stilltook like 30 minutes.
You know, I did the salt, I putthe herbs, I said the words.
Frank (51:13):
Yeah.
Kayla (51:14):
And lit the candle.
So it's still very simple, andthe only reason I did the like,
more drawn out ritual, wasbecause of Fakate's influence.
Frank (51:26):
How much of that ritualism is, like necessary?
Because I think some of thatmakes me, yeah, some of that
makes me, hold back from evenlike, even like mentally trying
to communicate with that, likethat force, that that spirit or
that, um yeah, like as a forlike guidance, sometimes even
right yeah especially in thistime where, like you know,
(51:48):
there's a lot going on in thecountry and it seems like a good
time for just a little bit ofsome dark energy, just to like
help tear things down beforethey get out of control.
And yeah, like, but also I don'twant to like have to.
You know, if my parents comeover and they see a, they see an
(52:09):
altar they're gonna freak out,dude, like, even though they've
opened their minds, yeah, yeah,even if they, even though
they've opened their minds tothis stuff a lot, which has been
absolutely incredible likethey're not ready to see that.
Lauren (52:24):
So which is funny because the like you, you can
have an altar as a religiousperson.
It's just not the same but youcan use this up on your doorway
or wherever.
Kayla (52:38):
You can have a Christian altar, but not a pagan one.
That's too much.
Frank (52:42):
Yeah, which I mean.
Let's be honest, most of thestuff that would be on a
Christian altar was originallypagan.
Anyway, they stole it.
Kayla (52:49):
Definitely.
Yeah, would be on a christianaltar was originally pagan
anyway, they stole it.
So definitely, yeah, that isn'talways like that rule of there
isn't the need for the ritual inthe altar.
That isn't true for all deitiesand all practitioners.
It's very relationship based,so I always advise people to
just ask um, that is true formost of the deities that I've
(53:12):
encountered, where they're likejust talk to me, I'm here, I
want to help, I love you, justshow up.
But there are others that,whether the practitioner maybe
has their own energeticboundaries or ego hurdles that
they need to go through and therituals necessary for them to
(53:33):
bypass this, or the deity hasvery specific respect rituals
that they prefer.
I have not come across that,but it does exist.
Frank (53:45):
Let me ask you this real quick have you, aside from
Lucifer, were there any otherbig surprises that you weren't
expecting in terms of likeintegrity levels, and who showed
up?
Kayla (53:55):
I think the other one, that just the other being that
took me really off guard waslily.
Um, because I'm so familiarwith hakate, which she shows up
in a pretty nurturing energy forme that is me also, so it makes
sense that she approaches withthat similarity, um.
But I was like, oh, I'm used tothis dark goddess thing, um.
(54:18):
And so when lila stepped in, Ikind of expected her to like yes
, be big, yes, be dark, but tohave a little bit of gentleness.
And she showed up huge um.
And the very first time Ichanneled with her she actually
I've never channeled a cursebefore, never, ever, ever, um, I
don't think I've ever cast acurse, at least not in this
(54:41):
lifetime, um.
And so the first time she withher um, she had me channel a
curse and I just wrote it down.
I didn't cast it.
I was like why are you givingthis to me?
Um, but it was incrediblypowerful, um, and I made sure to
ask.
I was like is this somethingyou want me to share with, like
(55:02):
the general public?
Because it feels a little bitdangerous to just unleash on the
world, um, and she just saidnot.
Yet I was like okay, I'll takethat.
And then I was like, is thissomething that is in the highest
good?
Like I work mostly in light, um, I have very strong integrity
and boundaries.
Um, and she said, yes, thisdoes serve the highest good.
(55:24):
Um, I left it at that, I have,I left it in the notebook and I
was like this is interesting.
I've never had this experience,but that is my main experience
with Lillet.
She is very high integrity butshe is serious about the work
she has to do.
Lauren (55:45):
Does she give you a reason why.
Kayla (55:50):
Well, it was a curse curse.
It was a curse for men oh mygosh sorry.
Lauren (56:00):
Yeah, she's like not yet .
Kayla (56:03):
I'll tell you when I was like oh, man, like that's a
little dramatic here, yeah, soI'm kind of, you know, I'll
think about it every once in awhile, and I've got the sense
that the term men is actually inreplacement of patriarchy.
Sure, so it's not necessarilyevery single man, but it is the
(56:30):
toxic version of the structuresthey built what are you talking
about?
Frank (56:36):
what?
Lauren (56:37):
what?
Frank (56:41):
oh my gosh, that's so fascinating when are you going
to unleash that puppy?
Kayla (56:46):
I don't know, I might not ever awaiting further
instructions.
Lauren (56:52):
I am, yeah, yeah, I'm staying back.
Kayla (56:54):
Very interesting.
Hekate walked me throughsomething that he's called the
Night Goddess Path.
I've talked about it a littlebit and it's not something that
I've alone walked through.
There's other people who have,there's other people who have
phase was.
I spent about two weekschanneling every night with a
(57:16):
different dark goddess thatChokate presented me with, and
so that was one of that.
Theories, my infusion.
That was one of thosechannelings, and I have been
instructed to start sharingthose on YouTube one by one.
So I don't know if that willever be included in, just like
the general public.
That may be behind a paywall orsomething, but yeah, oh, please
(57:40):
do like a YouTube series.
Frank (57:41):
That's awesome.
Lauren (57:42):
Living in Oklahoma.
Just side question Is there how?
How is that Like?
How is that?
Is it challenging with yourbelief system versus?
I mean I know Oklahoma can be alittle more religious Red state
they are.
Kayla (58:03):
Well, I found, you know, because I have a religious
upbringing, a lot of my familyis still very religious
upbringing.
Um, a lot of my family is stillvery religious, a lot of my
co-workers and things were alsoreligious.
But I found we would, they'dspark a conversation and I would
come in and we would be talkingabout very similar things, just
(58:24):
different terms.
Um, and so I found is to likespiritually encourage religious
people without necessarilychallenging their beliefs, just
supporting yeah.
Oh God, God loves you, God seesyou, you know whatever it is.
So you just replace source withbody, replace energy with
(58:45):
prayer and all of thesedifferent things.
But it is.
It is a little bit challenging.
I've found a really coolspiritual community.
There is a lot of little momand pop shops, so I've done
local readings, I've gone todifferent circles and things
(59:05):
like that.
It's present but it's just notmainstream.
Frank (59:10):
It's still a very red it had to be a little difficult to
find that community yeah, ohyeah, I definitely, I sought for
it okay, yeah, go for it.
Lauren (59:22):
Where can everyone find you if they want readings or
mentorship from you?
Kayla (59:28):
give us all your plugs so the best place to find me right
now is on youtube.
My handle is wayfinderwavemaker, or you can search me by name
kayla shivji s-h-i-v-j-i.
I should come up.
Um, I am also on tiktok samehandle.
Um, I just created a sub stackand a blue sky same handle.
(59:51):
I'm experimenting with socialmedias right now.
Um, those are all of them.
My main one will always beyoutube, um, or at least moving
forward, and then you can find Idon't have an official website,
but I have a milkshake, so letme give you that.
Um, it's a little like tinywebsite.
(01:00:16):
Instant leaf tree.
Yeah, okay, um, so it's mshakeslash wave maker.
Lauren (01:00:28):
Okay, I will link everything.
We'll link it all in the shownotes.
Frank (01:00:33):
Kayla, thanks so much for talking to us.
This is so much fun, yeah, andthank you for everything you're
doing.
Kayla (01:00:38):
I had a blast, thank you.
Lauren (01:00:40):
We did too.
Kayla (01:00:41):
Yeah, we'll talk to you soon Bye, bye, kayla.
Frank (01:00:51):
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In this episode we talked to Kayla Shivji, a
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We chatted about channelingintegrity levels and how
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and it kind of took us out forJanuary A bit, a bit, a bit, but
what an absolute nightmare foreveryone involved and so
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But we were impacted just by wind Like big deal, but
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We said this and we're sorry.
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But boy, there's a lot of wind.
It's like way more than usual.
We've lived here for 13 yearsand it's been like just
increasing and I don't know, Idon't know what's going on
Climate change?
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they say I'm not sure.
Yeah, For January Santa Anawinds are really just not a
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It's doing weird things rightnow, but we'll figure it out.
It's okay, we're a work inprogress.
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You're getting really into thecyber I do like that, I do like
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Frank's getting back into his punk roots lately.
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I mean, how could you not during this phase of American
history?
Lauren (03:42):
He has a story to tell, he has some rage to express.
It's not good.
Frank (03:48):
Well, no, it is good, it's healthy.
Lauren (03:50):
It's healthy form of expression.
Frank (03:51):
Guys, and, as you'll find out, in this episode we do talk
about how, you know, the lightand the darkness work together.
It is all part of one thing,and sometimes for something to
flourish, it must crash first,and I'm in a period of my life
where I'm ready to help things.
Tower card.
Lauren (04:15):
Just doing your part, yeah.
A little bit of healthydissonance right To push
patriarchy off the building.
Frank (04:25):
Give it the boot.
Give it the boot.
Speaking of boots, a lot ofboot lickers out there right now
, aren't there.
Lauren (04:30):
Oops, oh, hey, that's a timer for me to pay attention to
my thoughts.
Frank (04:39):
Oh yeah, mine's about to go off.
Lauren (04:40):
We listened to it.
That's very funny.
We listened to it.
Um, we pulled tarot today andit talks our friend Elliot Adam.
Frank (04:52):
Yeah, we were having a bit of a hard time.
You know, january was rough andwe were dealing with a little
bit of depression.
I pulled some cards today howdo we call back our power to us?
And we pulled the magicianupright.
Yeah, hello, I mean I've alwayswanted to pull that card for
some reason, and that's the cardof you know, your, your, your
thoughts are powerful and youare in charge, and you have to
make sure that you are puttingout your order into the universe
(05:15):
of what you want, your future,what do you want to manifest?
Lauren (05:18):
Yeah.
Frank (05:18):
So, because we are having a bit of a you know little
little, we need a little.
Pick me up.
Lauren (05:24):
Yeah.
Frank (05:25):
We one of his suggestions , because we always go to Dr
Elliot Adam for ourinterpretations, elliot Oracle.
Elliot Oracle, and it was hissuggestion was to, every two
hours, while you're trying toget back into the mindset of
positivity and like making sureyou're asking the universe what
you want, raising thosevibrations every two hours, set
(05:47):
a timer to make sure you putyourself into a positive mindset
or pay attention to when thattwo hour timer goes off.
Lauren (05:55):
What are your thoughts focused on so?
Frank (05:58):
yeah, which I took to.
Lauren (05:59):
Currently they're training.
They're great.
Frank (06:01):
Train your brain.
Yeah, train your brain, guys.
Lauren (06:03):
Yeah.
Frank (06:04):
So that's what we're doing.
Lauren (06:05):
Just a fun little practice today With that.
Frank (06:07):
With that.
Lauren (06:08):
Let's get over to Kayla and our chat with her, because
she's awesome and I feel like welearned some new stuff.
Oh, I learned.
Frank (06:18):
We did.
Lauren (06:19):
Yeah.
Frank (06:19):
She has a very interesting system of integrity
that she uses to determine whichspirits to actually interface
with.
Which is super cool and verysimple, and you might be
surprised who which spirits areof a higher integrity level than
you know commonly thought.
Lauren (06:37):
One might think yeah, yeah, Stick around for that.
Frank (06:39):
Some some shockers in there.
Yeah, but yeah.
Lauren (06:43):
What else?
So we enjoyed talking to Kaylaand we hope you enjoy this
episode.
Frank (06:46):
Yeah, hit it.
Lauren (06:50):
Kayla, thank you so much for joining us.
On Claire Voyaging, we arethrilled to meet you and to hear
your story, so would you mindgiving us some backstory on how
you got here and what you're upto now?
Kayla (07:08):
Thank you for having me.
I would love to.
So I have a very complexbackstory.
I was born in Oklahoma, butmostly raised in Virginia.
I was a Navy brat raised in avery heavily religious
upbringing, so I was part of theIndependent Fundamental Baptist
(07:29):
Church.
I also went to that Christianschool and so my entire life
revolved around that.
And I believe it was around theage of 16, I started to go
through a really heavydepression and just started to
question all of these beliefsthat had been force-fed to me
and started to like explore well, what do other people believe?
(07:50):
What is out there, what is kindof like the central being here
in religion?
Um, and through that I justbegan deconstructing, um and
forming my own relationship withGod or source, and in the
(08:11):
beginning I had a lot ofresistance to things like Jesus
and Mother Mary.
And, of course, when I beganthe heart and heaviness of my
healing journey, every time Iwould go get a reading or talk
to a counselor or anything likethat, they would be like, oh, I
feel Jesus here, and so it wasjust everything was pointing me
back into these directions, um,and I resistance around that,
(08:33):
but through just like exploringmy own self, getting in
connection with my higher self.
I began to understand what,like through christ,
consciousness is, um, and itjust began to open up doorways.
So now, um, I am a psychicchannel.
I'm also a spiritual mentor, um, and those two just go hand in
(08:56):
hand.
Yeah, um, and I, I'm doing thispart-time at my mentorship
business.
I'm doing this part-time at mymentorship business.
I'm doing this part-time fornow.
I do have a day job.
I also have three children andthree cats channel like?
Lauren (09:29):
are you channeling spirits?
Are you channeling aliens?
For, like the galactic, we justhad someone who channeled the
galactic federation, so welearned a bit about that.
Kayla (09:33):
Um, I certainly I'm very loosely associated with the
galactic federation, um, Iwouldn't say that's my
powerhouse, um, but I recentlyhad a video on tiktok go mini
viral, viral to me, um, where Ijust popped on like, hey, I was
visited by these galactic beings.
Here's their message I'll seeyou later, um.
(09:55):
And that video blew up and Iwas not expecting it and I was
like, okay, I mean, that's how Iran across you.
Frank (10:02):
I'm like, oh, this is very fun, because it came across
like it was your, maybe one ofyour, I don't know like your
first time is really having thatcool of a channel or something
like that.
I don't know what the wholebackstory was.
What was the backstory to that?
Kayla (10:31):
Well, honestly, the night before I was laying in bed and,
like you know, as you'redrifting to sleep, your mind
kind of opens up a little bit.
And so they just kind of tappedin and they were like hello,
we're here, we have a message.
And I was like I am too tired,go away.
Yeah, I told them I would maketime to channel, and so that
next day I sat down, um, and Iwas just gonna write it.
I thought maybe this is justfor me and I asked, I said, is
this something that I shouldjust record for the public?
And they said, yeah, go for it.
Um, so I literally just set upmy phone, tapped into the
channel and for the most part, Igenerally will just like hear
or receive the information andthen relay it.
(10:53):
So it's kind of like a thirdparty they're saying this this
is what's happening, uh, andthrough this particular channel,
um, it was just such anenergetic match and it was such
a clear um connection that theyended up kind of coming in and
speaking through me.
So I took a back seat and thewhole time I'm watching them.
(11:13):
I'm like, don't say that,that's embarrassing really yeah,
wait what was?
Lauren (11:19):
what did they say?
Kayla (11:20):
that was embarrassing uh well, they just started
referring to me in like thirdperson and they were like
kayla's kind of going throughthis and she doesn't fully
understand that this is what'shappening, and I was like, oh my
god oh my gosh, wow, did I notsend that one?
Frank (11:36):
to you.
Kayla (11:36):
No, oh man, it's, it's a great video it's like five
minutes, but it was complete newexperience for me.
The only time I've seensomething similar, where they
almost come through me, is whenI was channeling Hecate.
Frank (11:53):
That's so funny.
Oh my gosh, frank was justtalking about Hecate.
I am in the middle of learningmore about deities and all that,
because that's all new to me.
So I'm in the middle of a of abook right now called.
It's called Hakate, goddess ofwitches, by Courtney Weber, and
it's basically like Hakate 101.
Lauren (12:15):
And.
Frank (12:15):
I'm like I'm all into it.
I'm like telling her all aboutit and all my friends, but yeah,
tell me more about about thatexperience for you.
Kayla (12:25):
I think initially, in honestly, my like spiritual
awakening at least the majorportion of it began as like a
self-care journey.
I was like I'm disconnected,I'm a stressed out mom and I
need some help.
So I dove into self-care andthrough that I got, um, just
really intrigued by tarotreading and so that's where I
began.
(12:45):
And it probably wasn't.
And that was around the timethat my second child was turning
.
One was when I started tarotreading and really getting into
like giving messages and by thetime I had my third child, which
when you're pregnant, you'revery open.
I mean you're bringing a soulthrough.
So my gifts were just incredible.
(13:07):
And that's when I was like, wow, I'm hearing my higher self,
other beings are coming forward,like this is such a crazy
experience.
So in the beginning it wasreally channeling my higher self
and the angelic realm andthrough that kind of process and
starting my first business up,um, I really connected with
(13:29):
athena.
She came in very heavily andshe was really strongly like my
guiding force through um, mybusiness startup, for a good
year and a half, um, and she shereally helped me with a lot of
like the inner child work whichshe's this warrior goddess,
(13:50):
which she absolutely it.
But she's incredibly nurturing,and so for me my connection to
her was very much inner child umand then it just kind of
skyrocketed from there.
By the time, um, I've neverintentionally thought out
galactic beings on purpose, butevery once in a while they'll
(14:12):
drop in and it's very much likea radio tuning.
I remember one night oh it wasduring the pandemic, but I
almost heard the radio tuningwhere it was like and then a
metal drop in and I was like andthen a metal dropped in and I
was like whoa, this is wild,that's cool, yeah.
And so now, just through thepractice of it and getting super
(14:36):
comfortable with being able todo this and then share that on
the internet, the channels havejust become more and more clear
and more and more intense.
So start.
Lauren (14:46):
When you were like 16, you said you were starting to
like question all of this, allthe, the religious, the
organized religion stuff.
What did you have that like?
Kayla (14:58):
when did you gain this knowledge of like I can channel,
like angelic realms or spiritsor hakate um hakate was very
interesting for me because afterI like fully connected, I was
like, oh, she's been with melike this entire time, um.
But it was like maybe even sixmonths ago, I was sitting in my
(15:20):
backyard and I was googlinghakate and I was can I like work
with her without building analtar and this, that and the
other?
And she just came up and shesaid why don't you ask for
yourself?
And then we just worked indialoguing, um, and it was
powerful, um.
And so after that I juststarted practicing and
(15:42):
channeling with her and justshowing up to our relationship.
Um, yeah, that was crazy, um.
But to answer your originalquestion, um, these are gifts
that I've had since a child, um,and, of course, through the
just programming, I forgot aboutthem.
Right, right, right, right,yeah, repressed them, um,
because now that I'm more aware,I look back at my childhood and
(16:05):
I can see the angels that singme to sleep each night, and then
(16:30):
had these like little touchesthroughout my life, um, which is
really crazy and awesome yeah,so nice so cool?
Lauren (16:41):
was there like a moment where that was like very clear
or it was like a growingunderstanding?
Kayla (16:49):
it was definitely growing .
Um, in the beginning.
There's four main clairs and soin the beginning is very much
just feeling, and when I wouldread cards for people or channel
for people, I'd be like this isthe sensation I'm getting, this
is the emotion, this is whatI'm associating with um, and
then I got better at pinpointing, so I'd be like, oh, this is
(17:10):
your sacral chakra and this iswhat's going on in there.
And then I was like, oh, thisis the base of your brain cord
and at the time I didn't know,turns out that's your nervous
system.
Lauren (17:22):
Yeah.
Kayla (17:24):
But it was really interesting.
I got more and more precise andthen now I will have flashes of
vision where I'll hear thewords.
Usually they're as a thought,but in the beginning of
awakening to this I'm reallypracticing this I was going into
meditation at like 5 am everymorning.
(17:47):
I was very serious about it.
But then one morning I woke upand I got into meditation and it
was like three minutes in and Iheard my name being called,
like from a masculine voice,like physically, um.
So I got up, looked around,everyone was asleep.
(18:09):
Nobody said my name.
I was like that was weird.
Went back into meditation,heard it again, freaked out,
looked all around us.
Um point, I put on music orsomething because I was like
this is creepy, yeah.
Frank (18:25):
So experience hasn't happened again, um, but I, I
hear them as if it's a thoughtso let me ask you this you, I
mean between, like, uh, yournavy adjacent upbringing and, uh
, the christian school.
Those are some very intenseguardrails on your belief system
(18:47):
.
And I, you said you wentthrough like a a pretty bad
depression.
But I mean, how long did ittake you that I'm here's?
Here's what I'm reallyinterested in the journey from
uh I am a navy brat, slash likea deeply christian person to I
work with hakate.
There's a lot of journey in themiddle there so much and and
(19:12):
just also so you know, like our,our listenership probably
hasn't, we haven't talked thatmuch about deity work at all.
And uh, listener, dearlisteners, while we've been gone
because of the fires, I've beendoing a lot of reading on that
stuff.
So that's why I suddenly I'mlike talking about it so openly.
But so what I want to know andfor someone who, like this,
might be there let's assumesomeone is uncomfortable with
(19:35):
that I want, I want you to useyour journey as a way to make
them more comfortable with itand show them, like, what your
process was and getting into it.
Kayla (19:45):
Sure, um, well, well, I always recommend starting with
your higher self, because it'syou in spirit form, um.
The way I always describe it is, um, if your soul is one giant
energy, part of that goes intoyour body as your soul.
That's how you're here, um, andthen the rest of it stays
outside in the astral realm, andthat is your higher self and
(20:06):
that gives you multiple vantagepoints, which is very beneficial
and healing, um.
So that's always myrecommendation.
And just know, like, anytimeyou're doing any kind of
spiritual work or channeling ortarot reading or any of these
divination tools, you're incharge, you set up the
parameters, you set up yourprotections, and I talk a lot
(20:30):
about my preferred parameters.
So I always call in the beingswho are of the highest good, and
then I use an integrity level,so you can think of it as like 1
to 10, but it goes beyond this,but it kind of gives you a
(21:02):
starting point.
So I currently am workingwithin Integrity 9.
When I first started, I wasworking within Integrity 7.
And you can imagine thoselevels just bringing you closer
and closer to truth, um, angelicrealms are typically like an
integrity 12 or higher, um, andif you ask a being hey, what's
your integrity level?
They will tell you um, oryou'll be able to is that a
system like you thought it likewhere?
Frank (21:21):
yeah, I've never, never heard that.
Kayla (21:24):
Um, I could explain it a little more I've not heard it
from many other people, um, butthat was from a coach that I was
working with through myawakening journey.
Um, that was just the system Iwas taught and it really
resonated, um, because you know,we can say, those who have the
highest truth, love andcompassion, that works as well.
(21:45):
That, to me, is just a littlebit too open-ended.
Sometimes I work with darkgoddesses.
They're of the highest light,yes, they are capable of light,
but they're also capable ofdepth and darkness, um, and so
these, even them, are ofintegrity levels, and that I
(22:05):
don't know.
It just resonated for me and soI stuck with it all this time
that's really, reallyinteresting to me.
Frank (22:12):
Yeah, that seems like such a nice logical system for,
like you, to be able todetermine what you're stepping
into yes, like what would be anintegrity, like three well.
Kayla (22:25):
So integrity three you would think of a being that is
there for nefarious reasons.
They can come from any realm,um, but they're to steal from
you, essentially, um, tricksters.
Yeah, tricksters are typicallyof an integrity five.
Um, they're there just to playwith you.
They want to watch you run incircles.
(22:47):
They think it's funny.
It brings them amusement, um,and recently I had lucifer come
in for a client, um, and becausemy integrity level is nine and
that's my boundary, while I wasin session and I said, do you
work with any deities?
And she said, yeah, these arethe ones.
(23:07):
And I was like, well, kakate isalready here.
And then I looked back and Iwas like, oh yeah, this is
lucifer.
He's asking to be let in.
Um, so I welcomed him in and Ichecked.
I was like you know why did hehave to knock on my door and
asked permission?
He's integrity 8.5.
He's very proud of the 0.5.
Frank (23:26):
Okay, so again for our listenership.
That's going to freak somepeople out.
Lucifer's a big one.
Kayla (23:34):
It is a big one.
People are coming for Rube.
I'm still working through somethings there, but Sure.
Yeah.
So when he showed up, I waslike, oh man, I'm going to go
have to do my shadow work, I'mgoing to have to work on my
beliefs.
Like just the fact youpresented to me, I was like, oh
dang.
(23:54):
Right, but you know, we have somuch fear associated there.
But he actually works veryclosely with Archangel Michael,
with Archangel Michael and whenI was channeling with him for
the sake of this client, Iinvited Archangel Michael in to
be like my sounding board sothat he could fact check or
(24:17):
whatever, because I have a closerelationship with Archangel
Michael A 12-year-old.
So that's well, you canimplement your own boundaries,
your own rules, your own checksand balances.
Frank (24:32):
Because this is, this is an interesting.
I think this is a question I'vehad for a while too.
Now, what's Lucifer doing ateight, point five, I know?
So we've been with.
I mean, I did a little, alittle bit I don't know what
episode it was.
I did a little solo episodewhere I talked about the
backstory of um Lilith andtalking about how, like you know
(24:55):
, uh, she's been literallydemonized over the past, you
know, as long as she's beenaround, yeah, yeah.
And so now, as for what theChristian religion would have to
say, being the top bad boy here, to hear that thieves and
(25:16):
tricksters are five sub andLucifer is 8.5, I mean,
obviously, just like people, Iwould assume, deities are
multidimensional.
They're capable of many things.
I'm assuming he was presentingto you at an 8.5 because of the
reason he was there.
Kayla (25:34):
Their integrity level cannot change.
If you're a visual receiver,like you, have clairvoyance, you
can actually ask for a deity'strue form.
I love to do this with Jesus.
He's very normal looking.
Frank (25:51):
He's got it, he's just like, like he wants to sit on
your couch with you and likehave some Cheetos right, Like
he's just chilling All right,he's very chill.
What is his integrity level?
Kayla (26:02):
Oh, I don't think I've ever asked.
Frank (26:05):
That's an interesting question 15.
15?
Lauren (26:15):
that's that's an interesting question.
15 15, 15.
You just asked yes, can you sayhi to him for me?
What's up, jesus?
Hey bud she's like hang on.
Frank (26:23):
It was like you were sending a text that's awesome
he's a 15 okay oh no, heresponds to his text faster than
I do.
Yeah, I have to.
I'm what am I?
Lauren (26:31):
I must.
I'm like it was like you weresending a text.
That's awesome.
He's a 15.
Okay, oh no, he responds to histext faster than I do.
Yeah, I have to.
I'm like I'm a six.
What would Jesus do?
Frank (26:35):
I'm a full mid right now.
That's fine, that's really cool.
Okay, so back to Lucifer.
Kayla (26:42):
Yeah, so you ask people to show their true form yes,
yeah, um, because these beingsthat want to work with you, um,
if they're presenting to you andyou're not seeking them out it
could be vice versa, but usuallythey come to me, um, they
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present you in a form that makessense to you, something that
you can resonate.
So, like Athena would come tome in a very nurturing,
mothering energy, because that'swhat she wanted to work with me
on, right, um, and at the timeI was like I didn't see clear
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like bodies and bases.
She was just a giant pinkenergy, and that's how I knew
that's Athena.
Wow, so, yeah, and so, through,like clarifying my gifts, I
began to play with that.
Like, oh, show me your trueform, I want to see, like, what
you really look like.
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With that.
Like, oh, show me your trueform, I want to see, like, what
you really look like.
Um, and I think gaia and jesuswere the ones that I found most
intriguing because of how theworld portrays them so often man
wait.
Frank (28:01):
Hold on what's what's gaia like yeah gaia is like
Earth right.
Lauren (28:05):
She is.
Frank (28:06):
Earth Okay.
Kayla (28:08):
Yes, yeah, mother Earth.
Well, she's striking, she'sdark skinned and she has just a
gorgeous, gorgeous, huge afro,and then she had almost like
golden leaves strung throughoutit, and of course, she can
change her appearance.
So that may not be what shelooks like every time she
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presents, um, and then, if shewas in this gorgeous gown, um,
but we typically see her verymuch more in, like the irish
tradition, with white skin, redhair.
Sure, yeah, that's what I sawin meditation was red hair,
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white skin.
I said I'd like to see yourtrue form and she was huge, big
in energy, but it would havebeen like a 12-foot being.
Lauren (29:03):
Wow, if it wasn't.
Wow.
That's so cool, oh my gosh.
And what did Jesus look like?
Kayla (29:14):
Your average Middle Eastern man.
He did have a beard.
He was kind of thin and he justhad straight brown hair pulled
back into a ponytail.
Frank (29:28):
Cool.
Lauren (29:28):
That was it, I feel like I'd be, like I have so many
questions More like corrections.
Or like can you say whathappened?
Happened what?
Frank (29:57):
I don't, I'd be like tell me about I don't know, and
maybe that's just uh-oh, thatjust sent, that just sent lauren
, it really yeah, that just Iwould have.
Lauren (30:04):
So I'd, yeah, I'd want like a history, but I guess it
doesn't work that way.
Kayla (30:12):
No, and a lot of times.
I'll do it like flips.
information and an energeticdownload can be so dense that a
three second clip of energy willhave me dissecting and trying
to understand it further foryears yeah really so, yeah,
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there's a lot of experiencesthat I've had that I look back
on and I'm like, oh, there'ssomething I didn't see the first
time that I looked at that, um,and so I get more information.
Um, but to take us back toearlier, you had asked kind of
like, how is lucifer at an 8.5?
Um, he actually is a verystructured being.
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Um, I always relate arcanamichael to being kind of
corporate, where um he kind ofstraight laced, he often
presents in a suit.
He really loves like.
He's not very talkative but heloves like this is my official
job, here's my form.
Uh, signature.
Good to go.
Um, that's how I see archangelmichael a lot of time that's
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really interesting, lucifer hasa similar energy.
Yeah, he still has that bad boyrebellious streak, um, but he's.
He has official business, um,and so to be successful in that,
you have to have integrity,especially when you're dealing
with spiritual realms andspiritual beings.
You can't you cannotcommunicate with both light and
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dark and have a nefarious agenda, um.
So even though he does, he is adark god, um.
He he's very serious about hiswork, um, and a lot of times
he's here to help you questionyour beliefs.
He's here to help you be alittle bit more selfish,
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especially people pleasers andbeings that were taught to like
sacrifice themselves.
Frank (32:12):
Um, so he just has a different approach to the work
yeah, I, I went to catholicschool for uh, 10 years starting
the podcast and stuff has beena lot of learning or unlearning,
belief systems and the thingI've been on right now,
obviously, I'm reading a bookabout hakate and everything
(32:34):
she's she has been good for andit helps you with um, I've been
really into the concept of like,not the, it's not even a
concept, it's just the truth ofhow you need the dark and light.
They both play a role.
You know, sometimes, like yousaid, they play a role at their
proper times and if it's not theright time, something can come
off as nefarious, even though itmay not necessarily be that all
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the time.
So someone like you lauren's apeople pleaser.
So someone like lauren, me, you, someone like lauren could
maybe use a little bit of ofhakate or lucifer or or someone
who, like, might actually helpyou be a little more selfish at
the right times.
You know what I mean.
Lauren (33:14):
Yeah.
Frank (33:14):
Because it's important to do that.
You can't be all one thing allthe time, because any one thing
in any direction can becometoxic.
Lauren (33:20):
I need to talk to Hecate .
Frank (33:29):
I often go into these mini monologues, especially
talking to Lauren about, like Ithink here's what we need, but
it's never coming from a placeof like knowledge.
I'm just reading andreiterating the lessons that
we've learned.
So when I hear you talk aboutit a little bit more, I'm like
yes, yeah, see, I just keepcollecting data until I get to a
point where I'm more connectedand can get downloads myself, so
which I'm hoping occurseventually- you have to do the
(33:51):
5am meditations.
Lauren (33:53):
Yeah that's right yeah.
Kayla (33:56):
I don't do that I'm very lazy with it now.
Really.
They're like please sit downand meditate.
I'm like I don't know.
Lauren (34:05):
I'm having such a hard time like making that time again
.
I was like very dedicated for alittle while and I'm like I
gotta get back into the practiceum.
Kayla (34:19):
My recommendation for anyone that, like struggles with
meditation, um, is to do ameditative activity so that
could be walking, doing yourdishes, coloring anything.
That kind of distracts your egoso that you can focus on the
energetic.
Something repetitive is great.
(34:40):
I found washing dishes isreally good for it.
I hate to dishes, but when Iget in the zone, yeah, magic,
you gamified it, you gamifiedthe dishes.
Good for it.
I hate chew dishes, but when Iget in the zone.
Frank (34:49):
Yeah, magic, yeah, you gamified it, you gamified the
dishes.
Good for you.
I want to go back a little bitagain.
Lauren (34:56):
Let me see here Did you create an integrity system over
there?
Frank (35:00):
Huh, oh yeah, I took notes.
Lauren (35:02):
What do you?
Yeah, you're waiting to fill inall the other numbers.
Frank (35:06):
Oh no, I'm not going to ask about all the other numbers.
Lauren (35:07):
No, no, I just for your own knowledge, just so I can
refer back.
Angels equal 12.
Frank (35:18):
Taylor's at nine.
What made you choose nine?
Kayla (35:21):
I've slowly grown there, so I started at seven and that
was just what felt resonant tome as like a human who wanted to
do good.
Um, and I made the mistake ofasking my guides to help me
raise my integrity level.
Oh um why was that, and theygave me opportunities to mess up
(35:43):
and tell the truth, becausewhat better way to increase your
integrity level than, hey, Ihave to talk to you about this?
This is really awkward.
Be honest, you got to show up.
You got to be an integrityinteresting and so I stopped
asking for that like I'm notgoing any any further then most
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of it has just, it's been a veryslow process.
This has been over the courseof years, um, but I, through the
course of just shadow work andintegrating more of myself and
loving more of myself, um, andreally understanding, like, what
values I hold important andthen operating from those values
(36:28):
, um, that I asked to be raisedto an eight um, and gosh, maybe,
maybe a couple months ago nottoo terribly long, maybe a year,
who knows um, my guide came tome and they were just like, hey,
you can raise your integritylevel, like you can stay saying
(36:52):
eight if you want to, butenergetically you've up leveled.
And I was like, oh, thanks,thanks for that notification
you've been promoted you've beenpromoted.
Frank (37:04):
That's so this, this, this integrity system is so
interesting to me yeah, and thathappens with spirits or guides
as well.
Lauren (37:15):
They can expand and grow and up level also what was the
best way for you to do shadowwork?
Was there like did you workwith someone?
Did you work with, like ajournal?
How'd you do that?
A?
Kayla (37:31):
lot of journaling.
Um, fairly early in my journeyI took um kundas.
I can't remember what thecourse was called, but it was a
group course where we would meetover zoom once a week and they
provided like journal promptseach week for us to go through.
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And that was a really coolexperience because I got to like
experience and work with myshadow through the journal
prompts and then we would cometogether and we would all share
about our shadows and so we gotto witness each other's shadows
and after those it was so rawand I felt so vulnerable and it
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would be the smallest things,but just allowing your shadow to
be seen was a very powerfulpractice.
So that's how it began.
Now it's kind of just a naturallike relationship really, where
I'll notice hey, I'm feeling alittle bit funky.
Where is this coming from?
(38:37):
Oh, that's my shadow.
She needs some attention.
She needs to listen to angrymusic or whatever it is I
haven't done.
Lauren (38:45):
I haven't done a lot of like actual shadow work.
I've done inner child stuff,but the shadow work I'm like
it's probably time.
Kayla (38:55):
Inner child and shadow work is very similar.
Of course, you're going toapproach them a little bit
differently, because your innerchild needs lots of reassurance
and love.
Your shadow also means that.
But if you come at it with likethe same, like little kid
reassurance, your shadow isgoing to get offended.
Um, but those two they reallygo hand in hand.
(39:18):
Um, so the shadow is all of theparts of you that you don't
want to see.
So a lot of the times, thoseare the things that you're
resistant to like.
Well, I'm not, I'm not aninconsiderate person.
Well, maybe, sometimes I am.
Actually, yeah, sometimes I'mselfish.
Um, and so the the purpose ofshadow work is to be able to see
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those parts, love those partsand then own them.
Because what happens is when wedeny our shadow, push them away
, they operate in the background.
Whether we got them to, they'remenacing what they desire.
We're just not conscious of it.
So that's why we'reself-sabotaging, that's why
we're putting up roadblocks,that's why we're running away
(40:04):
from love, right?
So when we accept it when webring that love in.
So, when we accept it, when webring that love in, when we say,
hey, actually I totally see whyyou want to sabotage every
relationship that makes sense.
Let me bring some love here,let me sit with this, let me
bring in compassion.
Um, then you build thatrelationship and it's like, okay
(40:25):
, well, now that you see yourshadow, it doesn't have to hide.
Now it can come to you and say,hey, I'm feeling really
vulnerable in this relationship,I'm uncomfortable, and you can
share that.
Or you can take a step back, oryou can put up your boundaries.
You can work with it okay wehave done shadow work.
Lauren (40:43):
Yeah, not probably just in thinking like in that, not
probably just in thinking likein that sense.
In the last year it's beenuncovering some of these things.
I feel like, where does this?
Frank (40:55):
come from.
It's funny because, like for mepersonally, a lot of the work,
so I've done some like innerchild, which is very helpful In
fact, like you know, lifechanging in fact, but then for
shadow work, like I've talked.
Like you know, life changing infact, but then for shadow work,
like I've talked like, uh, youknow I'm always I was uh
informed to be less selfdeprecating.
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That was like, and you know, I,I like to make jokes and stuff
like that.
So I, I tended to manage my owndarker self by like making fun
of me.
But you know, at some points onthe wrong days, on the wrong
days, I take it a little tooseriously and there's a
background of self-loathingbecause those are the parts of
me I don't like, um, but they'renot always constant, right?
(41:41):
So I was talking to you aboutlike integrating these things
and not being so shameful ofthem and like, yeah, um, I can't
think of a good example, or atleast one that I want to say out
loud right now, but like, yeah,it's, it is like interesting
that to be a whole person, youhave to acknowledge and accept
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those elements too.
Oh, a fun one actually.
We had a psychic therapist whoon the show we've we've referred
to as dr claire and he did alittle uh, past life work with
me one time and he said one ofmy past lives I was like pretty
much a terrible person and likea deep narcissist.
(42:21):
That was just one of them.
But he says if you ever havelike I don't't want to say
narcissistic tendencies becauseI'm not a narcissist, but maybe
on occasion, on occasion I will.
It's funny, I have a podcastTalk about myself.
You know too much and I'm, butI'm also hyper aware of when I'm
doing that and I'm like, oh no,I'm, I'm a narcissist or
(42:44):
something.
And it's like no man, like youhave to to harness that, know
when to use it, and then let itgo and like make room, leave
room for other people.
Yeah, if you spend all yourtime pushing it away, you're in
a constant battle of like hatingyourself or not, and it's it's
hard to do anything.
Kayla (42:59):
Yeah, it's hard to do.
Instead of manipulating otherpeople to give you the attention
you want, you have a healthyoutlet of a podcast right,
exactly so manipulate ourlisteners.
Lauren (43:14):
Yeah, this is giving you attention.
Frank (43:16):
You don't understand, guys episode 100 I'm you're all
in my cult.
Lauren (43:18):
This is it it's all working up to that yeah yeah,
that makes sense for like doingmore of that and then being able
to I don't know be more open,more authentic and more
(43:39):
connected about, likeauthenticity, a lot of who we
think we are, a lot of ourpersonality, especially in, like
, our high school years.
Kayla (43:55):
That's all ego, that's 100% ego.
Oh, and so when we bring insome of those shadow elements
and start to own them andrecognize them, it's like, oh,
actually I'm much more complex.
Yeah, some days love to go andhang out and some days don't
call me, I'm not answering.
Yes.
Frank (44:14):
I feel that oh, my God yeah.
Lauren (44:18):
So now you're doing your .
You said, this is like apart-time business.
Kayla (44:25):
I offer readings, so you can just choose a Tara reading
and I can send you a littlevideo um similar to the readings
you'd find on tiktok, butpersonalized um.
Or we can sit down and havelike an hour-long channeling
session where we'll dialogue,we'll go into some of these,
(44:46):
these childhood wounds, andwhere they're from and how to
heal them, and we can just dothat, as you're called, one-offs
.
Or we can do I've set it up forlike a monthly package where
you get like four-hour sessionsand that's my mentorship and
that's something where we candig into some deeper healing
(45:08):
instead of saying, oh, here'sthe wound, here's how to fix it,
here's your homework, goodbye,it's.
I'm going to follow up, I'mgoing to offer you guidance.
If you really need me, you canemail me, kind of.
Lauren (45:19):
That's cool.
When you do a channelingsession for a client, who are
you channeling?
Kayla (45:29):
their spirit team and I set up the same parameters, and
a lot of times it is theirprimary guides.
I've had ancestors come through, um, one very cool session.
Um, her ancestors like told her, hey, you need to come to her,
(45:51):
and apparently she didn't trustvery many readers, which is fair
.
Um, so we got into the sessionand before well, actually before
we even got into the sessionher guides woke me up by
knocking on my crown chakra.
Um, I tried to ignore them andI couldn't, and they were like
I'm not, you know.
I was like okay, okay, um, sothey like wrote me a letter.
(46:13):
They were like before you getinto the session, you need to
know what's going on and why.
We sent her to you and she, shedidn't have firm boundaries and
she was listening to tricksterspirits.
Um, so when we session she, shewas like why is it?
When I channel with my guides,they'll get kind of angry with
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me or not necessarily angry, butthey'll get a little bit
aggressive and they'll be likeoh, I want, I want the red pen.
And there was too many of them.
You know, it's hard to hear themessage when there's 16
different beings sitting thereyelling at you, and so I had to
tell her these are your spiritteam, and then these other ones
(46:55):
are tricksters.
You need to kick them out.
And so we got to that and myadvice for her was to write her
own little contract.
So, while I stayed at, everytime I'd tune in and those are
just like my energeticboundaries that I'd built up
because she had been workingwith these tricksters for a
significant amount of time I waslike you need to create your
(47:17):
own contract, write it down.
This is my integrity level,this is who I'm willing to work
with, these are the messages I'mwilling to receive and then
sign your name.
Frank (47:27):
I really like that you brought such a like spiritual
thing down to a piece of paperfor to make a contract.
That's like can you, can youtalk to us a little bit about
like I mean, because that'sthat's kind of like a, you can
consider that like a ritualright, Like making something
kind of a physicalrepresentation of like a
(47:50):
spiritual request yeah,absolutely.
Kayla (47:54):
Um, I love very simple things.
To be completely honest, ifit's overly complex, I'm just
not going to do it for sure, ifI need my, I'm gonna jump in the
shower, I'm gonna put onhealing frequency.
Yes, I do like smoke cleansing,I do the meditations and source
energy and all of those things.
But there are certain timeswhen your ego is just too loud.
(48:16):
It has to be simple, um, and soI love candle spells.
I love writing it on a piece ofpaper and flushing it down the
toilet.
Um, really, yeah, and that'sfun for my inner child too,
because I mean my inner childlove to make mud potions.
(48:37):
Yeah, oh yeah.
You tell her like, hey, you canflush this thing down the
toilet.
Lauren (48:43):
She's like, oh yes, that's awesome yeah, that's
great, I can get behind a goodtoilet flushing of some some
some garbage notes.
Frank (48:56):
You've done some.
You've done some, some burningof things yeah uh, what'd you do
?
Lauren (49:02):
I wrote down all the things limit, self-limiting
beliefs that I wanted to get ridof and then I set it on fire,
right, I mean it was pretty.
That was like pretty powerful,pretty helpful.
I like writing it all down inone thing where I'm like, oh wow
(49:23):
, I have a lot of these and Ikept going right, same thing
with me, like I don't, like,maybe because I'm tired of it
from.
Frank (49:32):
From being catholic for so long, I saw all the all the
like, very like, drawn out,dragged out ritualism twice a
week for hours, right, and uh, Idon't care to do that kind of
stuff anymore.
But this brings up the questionyou, you earlier, when you're
talking about working with aKata you were.
(49:52):
One of your questions was doyou need an altar, which is all
that ritualistic stuff that likethey do in church too?
What did she say about that?
Kayla (50:01):
She said no, just the relationship.
Frank (50:04):
That's nice.
Kayla (50:04):
She said I love those, they're very nice.
If you want to, I'll acceptthat.
Um, they're very nice.
If you want to, I'll acceptthat, but it was just
communicate with me.
When I tell you to send out amessage, tell the people and.
Frank (50:15):
I was like okay, so much of like the things you read
about working with with deitiesand stuff revolves a lot around
you know, offerings and stuffand rituals and all that and
it's like I'm not.
Like I'm not quite a witch here, so it's like not, that's kind
of out of my comfort zone.
Kayla (50:33):
I'm more of a heady guy so it doesn't resonate for me
either.
It's not.
I've never kept an altar of anykind, um, I'll do an occasional
, very simple spell, likeflushing you down the toilet or
lighting a candle um I've donerecently, through working with
(50:54):
hakate.
She's instructed me to do uh,two or three like more set up
rituals, um.
One was cord cutting, one wastransmutation, um, and then one
was protection, and they stilltook like 30 minutes.
You know, I did the salt, I putthe herbs, I said the words.
Frank (51:13):
Yeah.
Kayla (51:14):
And lit the candle.
So it's still very simple, andthe only reason I did the like,
more drawn out ritual, wasbecause of Fakate's influence.
Frank (51:26):
How much of that ritualism is, like necessary?
Because I think some of thatmakes me, yeah, some of that
makes me, hold back from evenlike, even like mentally trying
to communicate with that, likethat force, that that spirit or
that, um yeah, like as a forlike guidance, sometimes even
right yeah especially in thistime where, like you know,
(51:48):
there's a lot going on in thecountry and it seems like a good
time for just a little bit ofsome dark energy, just to like
help tear things down beforethey get out of control.
And yeah, like, but also I don'twant to like have to.
You know, if my parents comeover and they see a, they see an
(52:09):
altar they're gonna freak out,dude, like, even though they've
opened their minds, yeah, yeah,even if they, even though
they've opened their minds tothis stuff a lot, which has been
absolutely incredible likethey're not ready to see that.
Lauren (52:24):
So which is funny because the like you, you can
have an altar as a religiousperson.
It's just not the same but youcan use this up on your doorway
or wherever.
Kayla (52:38):
You can have a Christian altar, but not a pagan one.
That's too much.
Frank (52:42):
Yeah, which I mean.
Let's be honest, most of thestuff that would be on a
Christian altar was originallypagan.
Anyway, they stole it.
Kayla (52:49):
Definitely.
Yeah, would be on a christianaltar was originally pagan
anyway, they stole it.
So definitely, yeah, that isn'talways like that rule of there
isn't the need for the ritual inthe altar.
That isn't true for all deitiesand all practitioners.
It's very relationship based,so I always advise people to
just ask um, that is true formost of the deities that I've
(53:12):
encountered, where they're likejust talk to me, I'm here, I
want to help, I love you, justshow up.
But there are others that,whether the practitioner maybe
has their own energeticboundaries or ego hurdles that
they need to go through and therituals necessary for them to
(53:33):
bypass this, or the deity hasvery specific respect rituals
that they prefer.
I have not come across that,but it does exist.
Frank (53:45):
Let me ask you this real quick have you, aside from
Lucifer, were there any otherbig surprises that you weren't
expecting in terms of likeintegrity levels, and who showed
up?
Kayla (53:55):
I think the other one, that just the other being that
took me really off guard waslily.
Um, because I'm so familiarwith hakate, which she shows up
in a pretty nurturing energy forme that is me also, so it makes
sense that she approaches withthat similarity, um.
But I was like, oh, I'm used tothis dark goddess thing, um.
(54:18):
And so when lila stepped in, Ikind of expected her to like yes
, be big, yes, be dark, but tohave a little bit of gentleness.
And she showed up huge um.
And the very first time Ichanneled with her she actually
I've never channeled a cursebefore, never, ever, ever, um, I
don't think I've ever cast acurse, at least not in this
(54:41):
lifetime, um.
And so the first time she withher um, she had me channel a
curse and I just wrote it down.
I didn't cast it.
I was like why are you givingthis to me?
Um, but it was incrediblypowerful, um, and I made sure to
ask.
I was like is this somethingyou want me to share with, like
(55:02):
the general public?
Because it feels a little bitdangerous to just unleash on the
world, um, and she just saidnot.
Yet I was like okay, I'll takethat.
And then I was like, is thissomething that is in the highest
good?
Like I work mostly in light, um, I have very strong integrity
and boundaries.
Um, and she said, yes, thisdoes serve the highest good.
(55:24):
Um, I left it at that, I have,I left it in the notebook and I
was like this is interesting.
I've never had this experience,but that is my main experience
with Lillet.
She is very high integrity butshe is serious about the work
she has to do.
Lauren (55:45):
Does she give you a reason why.
Kayla (55:50):
Well, it was a curse curse.
It was a curse for men oh mygosh sorry.
Lauren (56:00):
Yeah, she's like not yet .
Kayla (56:03):
I'll tell you when I was like oh, man, like that's a
little dramatic here, yeah, soI'm kind of, you know, I'll
think about it every once in awhile, and I've got the sense
that the term men is actually inreplacement of patriarchy.
Sure, so it's not necessarilyevery single man, but it is the
(56:30):
toxic version of the structuresthey built what are you talking
about?
Frank (56:36):
what?
Lauren (56:37):
what?
Frank (56:41):
oh my gosh, that's so fascinating when are you going
to unleash that puppy?
Kayla (56:46):
I don't know, I might not ever awaiting further
instructions.
Lauren (56:52):
I am, yeah, yeah, I'm staying back.
Kayla (56:54):
Very interesting.
Hekate walked me throughsomething that he's called the
Night Goddess Path.
I've talked about it a littlebit and it's not something that
I've alone walked through.
There's other people who have,there's other people who have
phase was.
I spent about two weekschanneling every night with a
(57:16):
different dark goddess thatChokate presented me with, and
so that was one of that.
Theories, my infusion.
That was one of thosechannelings, and I have been
instructed to start sharingthose on YouTube one by one.
So I don't know if that willever be included in, just like
the general public.
That may be behind a paywall orsomething, but yeah, oh, please
(57:40):
do like a YouTube series.
Frank (57:41):
That's awesome.
Lauren (57:42):
Living in Oklahoma.
Just side question Is there how?
How is that Like?
How is that?
Is it challenging with yourbelief system versus?
I mean I know Oklahoma can be alittle more religious Red state
they are.
Kayla (58:03):
Well, I found, you know, because I have a religious
upbringing, a lot of my familyis still very religious
upbringing.
Um, a lot of my family is stillvery religious, a lot of my
co-workers and things were alsoreligious.
But I found we would, they'dspark a conversation and I would
come in and we would be talkingabout very similar things, just
(58:24):
different terms.
Um, and so I found is to likespiritually encourage religious
people without necessarilychallenging their beliefs, just
supporting yeah.
Oh God, God loves you, God seesyou, you know whatever it is.
So you just replace source withbody, replace energy with
(58:45):
prayer and all of thesedifferent things.
But it is.
It is a little bit challenging.
I've found a really coolspiritual community.
There is a lot of little momand pop shops, so I've done
local readings, I've gone todifferent circles and things
(59:05):
like that.
It's present but it's just notmainstream.
Frank (59:10):
It's still a very red it had to be a little difficult to
find that community yeah, ohyeah, I definitely, I sought for
it okay, yeah, go for it.
Lauren (59:22):
Where can everyone find you if they want readings or
mentorship from you?
Kayla (59:28):
give us all your plugs so the best place to find me right
now is on youtube.
My handle is wayfinderwavemaker, or you can search me by name
kayla shivji s-h-i-v-j-i.
I should come up.
Um, I am also on tiktok samehandle.
Um, I just created a sub stackand a blue sky same handle.
(59:51):
I'm experimenting with socialmedias right now.
Um, those are all of them.
My main one will always beyoutube, um, or at least moving
forward, and then you can find Idon't have an official website,
but I have a milkshake, so letme give you that.
Um, it's a little like tinywebsite.
(01:00:16):
Instant leaf tree.
Yeah, okay, um, so it's mshakeslash wave maker.
Lauren (01:00:28):
Okay, I will link everything.
We'll link it all in the shownotes.
Frank (01:00:33):
Kayla, thanks so much for talking to us.
This is so much fun, yeah, andthank you for everything you're
doing.
Kayla (01:00:38):
I had a blast, thank you.
Lauren (01:00:40):
We did too.
Kayla (01:00:41):
Yeah, we'll talk to you soon Bye, bye, kayla.
Frank (01:00:51):
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