063: Spiritual Acceptance and Alignment // with Kelsey Anderson

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In this episode, we talked with Kelsey Anderson, a gifted intuitive energy healer who transitioned from the corporate world to spiritual healing. Kelsey shares her profound journey, one that led her to rediscover her intuitive powers and embrace her true self. Throughout our conversation, we explore the challenges she faced, the pivotal moments that triggered her awakening, and the unique healing modalities she now incorporates into her practice.

Kelsey’s approach is deeply intuitive and fluid, allowing her to tailor her offerings to meet the needs of those she works with. She emphasizes the importance of reconnecting with one’s inner voice and nurturing it amidst life’s distractions. By encouraging self-exploration through journaling, meditating, and listening to intuition, Kelsey encourages practical tools to find your own path of healing.

We discuss how societal pressures often lead individuals away from alignment with their true purposes, emphasizing the necessity of personal empowerment to break free from conformity. Kelsey’s insights resonate with anyone seeking clarity and alignment in their lives. 

To work with Kelsey or learn more about her:

Visit: www.kelseyandersonintuitive.com

Instagram: www.instagram.com/kelseyandersonintuitive

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:01):
Hey there.
In this episode we talked toKelsey Anderson, an intuitive
energy healer and psychic medium.
We discussed her journey ofshedding her corporate life to
step into her true, alignedpurpose of intuitive healing.
I'm Lauren Leon.
And I'm Frank, we are a marriedcouple learning how to develop
our own intuition, and this isepisode 63 of Clairvoyaging.

(00:21):
63 of Claire Voyaging.

Frank (00:43):
Wayfeather Media presents Claire.

Lauren (00:45):
Voyaging yeah.

Frank (00:51):
You feel that those are the?
Oh, we're back, we're gettingthe vibes, we're back, baby, and
it's weirder than ever.

Lauren (00:54):
How's everyone feeling today, frank?

Frank (00:57):
you good, how about you?
Oh, just freaking dandy youknow what I think?
This is even better the secondtime we recorded the intro, this
intro hours ago.
Yeah, a little technical mishap.
Yep, we don't point fingersaround here oh, careful with
that microphone, frankie boy butwe're.

(01:19):
We're here now and we're ready,ready to ready to rock we're
this and I have some allergies,that's okay.

Lauren (01:27):
And it's making me more like ADHD, I think, or something
I know See.
I'm fiddling with the volumewhile talking.

Frank (01:38):
We're literally doing a podcast and you're fidget
spinning over here.

Lauren (01:41):
I am having a hard time.
Listen, it's fine, you guys youknow, part of this is just
being as vulnerable and honestabout your journey as possible.
It's just a tough day for me.
It's okay.
Physically, mentally, I don'tknow.

Frank (01:59):
Anyway, Not every day can be a great day.
We're ready for this one tomove on and we're going to keep
us on track.
We sure are, lauren.
Do we have any updates?
What, what?

Lauren (02:08):
we got a coffee, yeah no chrissy gave us.
She bought us a coffee.

Frank (02:14):
Chrissy wait here we go yep, yay hooray, chrissy a roar,
a roar of applause.

Lauren (02:22):
A roar of applause yeah, okay, wait, let's just.
Yeah, okay, wait, let's just.
I'm going to read this part ofher message.
Chrissy gave us a littlemessage on buy me a coffee and
it just made me and Frank laugh.
She was saying it's like whenyou were a kid with your friends
and you see someone cool andyou want to ask them stuff but
don't want to sound stupid.
So you tell one of your friends, you ask them.

(02:45):
I'm too embarrassed, you do it.
Well, that's what you do for me.
You have the guts to touch onthe subject and ask questions
that we're all wanting theanswers to, and I think that's
really funny, because I'm happyto ask questions like what do
dolphins thoughts sound like?

Frank (03:01):
chrissy, chrissy, chrissy , you pushed us up to the front
of the circle of friends, andwe're the ones who, okay, I'll
do it, I'll do it.
Fine, yeah, hold on, I'll do itin a second.
I'll do it in a second.

Lauren (03:09):
Yeah, thank you, chrissy , and if you want to buy us a
coffee, head on over tobuymeacoffee us.

(03:29):
Thank you, okay, we've got agreat episode.
Kelsey Anderson is really cool.
Also, during the episode, shegave us sort of an impromptu
reading, which just so happenedto change the course of our last
two weeks a little bit itstarted helping us clarify what
we want to do with our lives.

Frank (03:43):
Yeah, as you may know, if you've heard the last couple of
shows, we are in a period ofrealignment right now.
What's the word for?
How do we do this?

Lauren (03:51):
We want to take aligned action aligned action, yeah
Right.

Frank (03:55):
And uh, you know, to do that, you kind of just got to
know what you're about and whatyou want.
And uh, kelsey got us there ina way that we haven't gotten
ourselves there, so it was veryhelpful and things are moving,
we're looking, things arelooking good.

Lauren (04:09):
Yeah, I'm excited for the future of when we eventually
share some updates for what wemight have going on, because,
yeah, it kind of helped me golike wait, what does that look
like?

Frank (04:23):
Yeah.

Lauren (04:23):
So thank you, kelsey, for that.
Yeah, and with that, I feellike let's just get it going.

Frank (04:28):
Let's rock and roll.
All right, say something good.

Lauren (04:31):
Roll out the red carpet.
Kelsey, thank you so much forjoining us on Claire Voyaging.
We love to hear people'sbackstories.
Can you tell us a bit aboutyourself and what brought you to
doing this intuitive work?

Kelsey (04:50):
I love that.
Thank you for asking.
The backstory is kind of awindy one for me.
I had, well when I was younger,abilities I think you will hear
this a lot and you have heardthis a lot from other mediums
and intuitive energy healersthat a lot of us have this
ability.
That happens early on in lifeand it gets kind of shut down

(05:12):
through societal pressure,family pressure, lot of hearing,
seeing and knowing.
I remember one distinct timethat I told my parents I see
this ghost and it slammed ourdoor and I don't like it and you

(05:32):
hear a lot of like.
That's your imagination, and sothat was how I felt as a young
child.
Those are my memories.
And then, somewhere along theway, I shut them down I think
safety response or just wantingto be accepted and loved.
And by shut them down I mean myguides were always there.
I always felt the presence ofbeing loved and comforted and

(05:54):
held, especially guided tosafety.
In my early years, when you'rea teen and you're out, I always
felt like I made choices thatother people weren't making and
I always ended up being reallysafe or really guided in those
years, yeah, wow.
But especially in college too.
But I did a lot of numbing, Likethat's my backstory and that's

(06:15):
my truth is, I numbed out theseabilities because I didn't know
what they were and I didn't knowhow to be safe with them.
Didn't know how to be safe withthem.
And so somewhere along the ages25, I hit that first awakening
crisis of self, where it allstarted coming back online super
quickly.
I went down the self-helprabbit hole first, like big

(06:39):
seminars, every book I could getmy hands on, I mean you name it
.
I'm like shoveling theinformation into my body, trying
to make sense right Of what I'munderstanding and I'm slowly
like not able to be aroundgroups of people.
I start taking anxietymedication, I'm having panic
attacks and I'm just like whatis happening.

(06:59):
So that's a little my backstory.
Around 25, I was in apartnership and I ended that
partnership, hopped in my carfor a couple months, lived out
of my backstory.
Around 25, I was in apartnership and I ended that
partnership, hopped in my carfor a couple months, lived out
of my car in like national parksand just in a tent I sold my
portion of my house and quit myjob and I just left it all
behind because I had to Like, Ihad to just like, purge all of

(07:23):
me to accept in this new versionof me, and so it was a really
wild time.
But really my story starts, Ithink, for me, like that 25,
when I was 25, this last decadehas been this massive spiritual.
We can call it a spiritualawakening, but it's a spiritual
meandering.
There's layers and grief andprocesses and so, yeah, and then

(07:53):
I made my way to a little townin Missoula, Montana, and I
remember I was staying in ateepee on a reservation and I
was out in the middle of a field, like night sky.
I could see every star.
I was alone, it was freezingand I just thought like my soul
needs to come here because Imeant see every star.
I was alone, it was freezingand I just thought like my soul
needs to come here because Imeant to learn something.
And so I did end up movingthere and I had just finished my
master's.
I was actually like doing mymaster's when I was living out

(08:15):
of my car.
I'd be like in a Starbucksparking lot and just trying to
take the conventional path.
I'm like okay, if I finish amaster's, get a great career,
everything will be okay.
Unconventional path I'm likeokay, if I finish a master's,
get a great career, everythingwill be okay.
Like it will fix itself.
But of course you know how thisgoes.
It meanders into somethingwhere it's just an unavoidable
kind of dark night of the soulwhere you have to figure out who

(08:36):
you are and where you're going.
And from there I got introducedto Reiki and then I started
like an advanced energyintuition cohort when we finally
moved to Seattle and from therethe studies of everything like
mindfulness-based stressreduction.
I think everything I couldpossibly bring into my space I

(08:57):
did until I felt safe andcomfortable enough to like
outwardly express theseabilities that were happening to
like outwardly express theseabilities that were happening.

Lauren (09:06):
That's so interesting to me, Like what that's such a
journey in, especially so that'sbeen the last like 10 years.
You went from like you were,where were you?

Kelsey (09:18):
living.
I was living in Florida, soFlorida to Montana, to Seattle.

Frank (09:22):
You're probably the best thing that's ever come out of
Florida.
I believe at this point that myfuture I never drop an
opportunity to speak poorly ofthat.

Kelsey (09:34):
I was avoiding saying where I was from, but I'm in
integrity, so when you ask I'mgoing to tell you.

Lauren (09:38):
but sorry to do that to you.

Kelsey (09:45):
I trust the process, process, it has to happen oh my
gosh, wow.

Lauren (09:51):
So now you're.
And now, just to bring us tothe present you're.
You do intuitive work.
Do you do like energy healingalong with it, or you do like
what is your like sweet spot?
Is it readings or like groupstuff?
What is it?

Kelsey (10:07):
that is a lovely question as well.
So it's changed.
It started with reiki where Iwould read people during session
and then, but, like,incorporated into reiki and now
it's just my own flavor ofenergy healing, meaning of
different modalities, thingsI've channeled, things I've
learned along the way.
So it's an intuitive energy,healing and guidance and the

(10:29):
psychic mediumship piece, so thereadings as well.
I kind of package it indifferent ways, like I have an
intuitive healing and guidanceone which has some mediumship
aspects to it, and then anawaken your joy, which is for
people that are just reallytrying to find like joy again in
their life after they've gonethrough a dark time that stems

(10:52):
from you know, my personalexperience of going through that
.
And then a soul path, like anilluminate your soul path
offering, where I work withpeople in more of a
visualization guided readingscenario.
So it, so it, yeah it all kindof meanders.
I also do teach group classesthat are movement and breath
work based, where I do likegroup energy and readings.

(11:13):
So that's one of the things Ilove to do as well yeah, that's
awesome.

Lauren (11:21):
I always like to know.
So, like, when you had the likeevents as a kid, were your
parents?
Was it just like?
Did you get the sense that theywere just like scared of it or
just like no, no, no, it's justyour imagination like, literally
just the kind of trope of likeparents, was it?

(11:45):
And also, how did they reactonce you started shifting into
like I'm stepping into myintuitive abilities and all that
?

Kelsey (11:56):
Well, when I was younger , I think I was really good at
looking at adults and mimickingbehavior or masking my behavior,
and that comes in from theneurodivergent piece too, like
you learn really early on thatin order to be loved and
accepted and understood, youhave to mask who you are and you
can't just live in your wildjoy and my abilities were all

(12:17):
wrapped into that.
So it was a bit complex.
My parents I think it's alittle of both right right, I
think they get hit with.
This is uncomfortable, but thenit comes out as the parenting
trope.
I don't know if there was a deepunderstanding for them.
I do know that I was a reallylike anxious kid and a quote
unquote stubborn kid and I woulddo things like show up for

(12:39):
dance class and be in the carand then tell my mom I'm not
going today, today, and likethey could not get me to go in
the building and, looking back,it's because of whatever I was
experiencing sensory wise, likewith energies, having been at
school all day, or maybe theteacher like was in a rough mood
and I could sense it and likenot go in.

(12:59):
So I think I just got labeledas a difficult child and yeah,
and they still came through like, but just in different ways.

Lauren (13:11):
So that's really interesting to think about.
Like just we're, so we likeprogram our kids or we program
ourselves into like doingsomething, even though, like our
body is going like I don't wantto like.
We just had this conversationabout like conscious parenting
and it just reminds me of like akid who doesn't want to be

(13:33):
controlled, and sometimes it'sjust like maybe they're having
like having sensitivity to theenergy around them and we're
like no, you're going the energyaround them and we're like no,
you're going.

Frank (13:51):
Yeah, I like feel that so much.
Yeah, because I was a notdifficult but just a very
sensitive kid.
Yeah, maybe that was difficult,I don't know.
And, um, I mean, to this day Idon't want to do anything but
really like, if it's a situationwith around a lot of people or
whatever it's, I have to getinto a mode where I can manage
that and like attend to thatkind of thing and I am so tired

(14:15):
afterwards, um, so, yeah, it's,but yeah, as a kid, like I had
sent, like then I don't know, Idon't know, it's hard to tell
like where, like a mental healthissue and like just a deep
sensitivity overlap or anything.
Yeah, I was always veryconcerned about, like, if I saw
something that was out of place.
I remember I was, I was goingto a um, I was probably like

(14:37):
five or something.
It was a swimming lesson at ahigh school that I eventually
was going to attend in highschool, but I'd see like rocks
and pebbles that weren't withthe other rocks and pebbles and
I would like cry, I'd be likethey don't belong here, they
need to go home, and like thatkind of thing.
And I still feel that like wayabout certain things.
I'm like, oh, you're out ofplace and not in an OCD way Like
, oh, I wasn't trying toorganize, I was like I feel so

(15:06):
bad for things that are alone,like a deep recognition.

Kelsey (15:08):
It's amazing, as kids, what we recognize and how it
comes out in language versus howit feels in our body, and so,
yeah, that's a great point.
We often are like that feelsout of place, but what we're
really sensing is just something, a layer, that is communication
and information that nobodytalks about or rarely talks
about, and so we have to put itinto these containers where it

(15:29):
could be, something we don'thave language for.

Lauren (15:32):
And then, yeah, your parents were like why are you
doing that?

Frank (15:35):
We're late for swim class when I say I was being
difficult, that was probably.
I mean, that's a pain in thebutt.
I'd be like.
Even if it were my kid now I'dbe like those are rocks, they're
fine.
I mean, that's a pain in thebutt, I'd be like.
Even if it were my kid now I'dbe like those are rocks.

Kelsey (15:46):
They're fine.
You know what I mean, and Ihave to catch myself all the
time.
Yeah, actually, let's explorewhat that is.
Why do you feel that way?

Frank (15:55):
Oh man, it takes such a special parent to like cool down
the concern about lateness tosome arbitrary thing.

Kelsey (16:03):
Yeah, just to make sure that you're giving your kid that
time to chill and to work itout it's like one of the hardest
things parenting reparenting,going through the process of
your spiritual awakeningalongside your child and then
figuring out how to parent.
Through that.
It's a deep process and youyeah, yeah.

Lauren (16:23):
There's some like working through your own inner
child stuff too and going like Iwould have appreciated this as
a kid, so I'm gonna do this, andthen like whoa, but how much of
that is just indulging, toomuch projecting yeah, projecting
, so much yeah, um.

(16:44):
So when you like, was there apart of your being or like
essence that that felt like itrequired the, as you call it,
like meandering or like kind of,just because you were like
living, like living in differentnational parks and stuff, was

(17:06):
there like a piece to that orlike something that you felt
like you needed to get peace bythat kind of being alone, it
through that?

Kelsey (17:16):
yeah, looking back I can figure out what was happening,
but I had just gone to one ofthose massive seminars, the, you
know, awakening self-help like9 000 people seminars and oh
yeah like that, like um what's.

Lauren (17:31):
One of those like land I call it landslide I've been to
them all.

Kelsey (17:35):
I'm so sorry, it wasn't landmark that was later on, um
okay that was interesting, butum, it was actually like the
Tony Robbins big event oh yeah,and so it was my first time that
someone said like, hey, you canshow up as you are, and while
it's not the teachings they gooff of now and it's very far
removed from that it was thefirst time someone in my life

(17:59):
had given full permission toawaken yourself, and so I took
the grain of that, that likecore, and that's what prompted
it of like, oh wait, I don'thave to live this conventional
life, I can actually just go dothis wild thing and no one can
actually tell me what to do,because I'm an adult.
And so it was the first time,yeah, that I got to do that.

(18:19):
But what I?
Looking back now, I needed tobe alone with nature so I could
hear myself, I could hear themessages and I could hear nature
speaking, and there was toomuch noise everywhere else, and
so, by being alone in a tent andlike listening to the you know
wild animals and the breeze andthe wind, I journaled so much
throughout that time because Iwas pulling in so much, so many

(18:41):
like messages.

Frank (18:43):
Okay, hold on, we have to back up a little bit.
Okay.
So you were 25 years old,you're feeling overwhelmed and
like, well, like you're out ofplace, is that very out of place
?
And you go full psychic jackkerouac and you hit the road and
jack kerouac and you wereexperiencing while you were on

(19:04):
the road?
were you experiencing panicattacks during that and stuff,
or was it before that or whendid you start addressing these
things as like what you neededas a signal for you, for like a
trigger that you needed toaddress?

Kelsey (19:15):
Yes, the panic attacks, from what I could tell, came on
around 22, 23.
And so they were a couple years, 22 to 25.
I still had them up until like28, 29, but um, during the time
I was on the road, I don'trecall experiencing any.
Yeah, I don't know so when I wasliving in nature.

(19:36):
It wasn't until I went backinto a big city and actually in
Montana I didn't either but whenI went back to Seattle they
started again.
So, being back in a big citywith like long I was commuting,
I was actually in corporate, soI ended up.
My career was in corporatemanagement consultant, so
business consulting at likethese huge, huge companies, and
imagine the energy, yeah, what'sI will share this because I

(20:00):
think it's relevant is that Iremember being in some of these
boardrooms right At thesemassive companies and I would
travel like every couple ofweeks for work.
And I remember taking notesbecause I was a business analyst
project manager for a while andI would give the notes to, like
my team, but it wouldn'tnecessarily be things people had
said, it was just things Iinferred.

(20:21):
And at the time, you know, areyou sure this person said that
and I'd be like, oh well, therewas a detail that suggested like
I would have to explain how Iarrived at this information and
I think it was nuanced enoughthat people didn't call me out
on it, but, um, there was acouple times.
I would like predict things likethis will be the most

(20:42):
challenging person we have towork with, and the the reason
why is because X, y, z and shehas this personal thing.
I can tell that's going on inher life or his life, right, and
then it would be true and thatwould end up being our hardest
like client to work with.
Oh my gosh, yeah, before I knewwhat was going on, it
manifested in some very weirdand wild ways for me.

Frank (21:04):
Be careful with what you say because you're going to get
the corporate world to be likeoh hey, we need staff psychics.
Yeah, we need like yeah.

Lauren (21:14):
We need a Kelsey to let us know if we got the right hire
this is Kelsey, our intuitiveconsultant, and she's here.

Frank (21:22):
she's going to be observing today.

Kelsey (21:24):
I mean you say that and I know I'm like, okay,
regenerative, like you know, arethey doing something beautiful
for the world.
Call me like I'm in, butthere's some boundaries?
for sure, but I do.
I was always in on the hiring,like I was always one of the
people doing the interviewingand hiring in a lot of the roles
I was in, and I remember Iwould be at odds with almost

(21:44):
everyone else, like I'd be, youknow, eight people would say
they're awesome, they're goingto do a great job, and I would
be like no, no, no, you don'tsee the layers.
Like you don't see how this isgoing to play out.
This person is actually reallyego driven or is going to be
really mean to you know thesepeople and then give it six
months.

Lauren (22:05):
It just would they wait?
Would they come back to you andbe like you were right, or what
was it always just like this?

Kelsey (22:11):
no, corporate doesn't do that.
You're never gonna get thatsatisfaction world.
No, it never no no, you have ohthat's so infuriating moment
and then everything is gone.

Lauren (22:22):
No one's gonna listen I remember what you did.
That's where.
That's where my gavel ofjustice comes in, where I'm like
.
I want them to know that I wasright you've avoided.

Frank (22:31):
You've avoided 10 deep meeting rooms for a while.

Kelsey (22:33):
You haven't had to like no, I know it's, I'm so happy
for you yes, it's I mean just toeven recognize the ego is
beautiful, because, yeah, I willdefinitely always be the leader
, until otherwise said.

Lauren (22:47):
That's so interesting though You're, you're like, did
you feel really unaligned andlike at odds with what you were
doing in the business world, thecorporate world?

Kelsey (22:58):
It was.
It was.
I mean, horrible is not theright word but like I would go
in and still just try to supportpeople and I would do my work.
But I really would just be like, how's your day going?
You want to talk about it, youknow?
Yeah.

Frank (23:10):
Classic millennial, millennial manager.

Lauren (23:15):
I was doing like healing work without like having the
training yet.

Kelsey (23:19):
Yeah, and when I was not healing myself and experiencing
this, it was also I want tolike recognize it was really
rough for everyone around me.
Like I, it was not easy for thepeople I worked with I don't
think when I was not healingmyself, because it comes out in
really rough ways, like you getreally um, grieving.
You know a little bit, you cansense grief, or maybe there's

(23:41):
like a bit of a trigger where Iget overwhelmed easily and so I
would get overwhelmed in places,and so I can imagine like
working alongside someone who'snot aware of or healing in their
journey could also presentchallenges.
So I go back and think aboutthat too.

Lauren (23:56):
Oh, that's really interesting.
I think about that with the jobI had two jobs ago that you also
worked there, I remember thatone the most toxic place ever,
right.
But I think about like myself,like I was just only maybe you
know starting there like two ayear or two after losing my

(24:19):
brother, and in such a toxicenvironment and not, I also went
through like the big, like ahuge breakup at some point there
.
And, yeah, just thinking abouthow, like, if you're really not
healing yourself even thoughyou're trying to like, like you
said, I would be like how areyou?

(24:40):
You know, I want to talk aboutlike the real stuff, but also
not being a fully healed person,yeah, the overwhelm really gets
a hold of you.
That's an interestingperspective I haven't thought
about.

Frank (25:00):
So do you think it was more in retrospect?
Do you think it was more inretrospect?
Do you think it was more foryou?

Kelsey (25:06):
Was it the overwhelm of being in an environment with a
lot of people like Seattle, orwas it the overwhelm of trying
to shoehorn yourself into acorporate look back at it
because I think any healer,anyone that's doing this work,
anyone that can read people, ifthey have the right boundaries

(25:29):
and tools and teachings, theycan safeguard themselves,
safeguard other people.
You know, you can have normalinteractions, you can be around
lots of energies, in fact it canbe super interesting.
But at the time I was so out ofmy soul purpose, so out of
alignment, and I knew it.
And that's the thing is, I knewit for years.
The whispers, the nudges, thethings like life got infinitely

(25:50):
harder every day, just in all ofthe craziest ways.
You know it's that thing oflike you wake up and you have
like a a sunshiny day versus Iwould wake up, I'd be rushing,
my car wouldn't start, I get anail on my tire and spill my
coffee, I'd have an eyelash inmy eye, I'd pull over like that.
That was one of my days onemorning.
It just was in, it was justinsane.

(26:13):
So yeah, I, the minute Ishifted into more alignment,
everything in my life startedgetting more beautiful, more
synchronous.
It was just been a full shiftfor me it was just been a full
shift for me.

Lauren (26:29):
Did you have friends that were like what do you mean?
You're going into nature andlike you, you live in a tent,
sometimes like, did you have?
Did you feel that like contrast, like what's up, kelsey, you
know.

Kelsey (26:40):
I think I left behind every single one of my friends
from childhood and from thatfrom that time.
I don't have a single friendfrom that time still, and no
love was lost.
I also don't think being withme on my path was their path
either, you know, because it wassuch a different shift, but I

(27:00):
do, yeah, I do think about that.
I take that back Like there area few people I stay in touch
with that are actually nowmarried into my family, so
that's really wonderful.
Oh really From like a friend, soI want to make sure that I
acknowledge that.
But that feels like somethingthat was meant to be right, like
it, just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fun I shoehorned myself

(27:24):
into, I'm sure I mean, based onwhat you've shared too like how
does that feel with you, causethat really vibes with with your
journey as well.
Right, the shoehorning into.

Lauren (27:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, when I think about like I actually
when we were we were like in SanDiego this weekend and I was
like driving through certainareas where you know I was
working at a restaurant andgoing through some really
challenging stuff and stuff.

(27:58):
You're young, you kind ofsurround yourself.
If you're looking like you said, looking to like numb your,
your feelings, or you're just,you're overwhelmed because
there's there's part of youthat's not fully healed, You're
going to surround yourself with,like people that aren't quite
aligned with you.
And I was just thinking, likeyesterday, oh it's interesting,

(28:20):
I don't talk to like and youknow, you lose touch with a lot
of different people.

Frank (28:25):
Yeah, yeah, and I deeply resonate with your entire story.
The only difference, the bigdifference really, is just that
I don't, I don't have any likeuh tangible, uh psychic
abilities to to blame it on.

Kelsey (28:40):
I'd love to.
I got a bit of a read on you,actually starting yesterday, but
we can talk about that later.

Frank (28:47):
Oh, this is fun.
I'm thrilled to hear about this.
But, yeah, like to your point,like growing up super sensitive
and like just trying to forcemyself and sorry the audience
has heard about this so manytimes, but just trying to force
myself into the program of, youknow, corporate work and all
that stuff.
And, like you know, I wanted tobe independent and have my own
space.
So I got into corporate worklike pretty young and I like as

(29:13):
much as I hated it, it was justlike part of the.
The pure misery of the dailygrind was just part of this is
life, this is what it's supposedto be like, right, and it
wasn't until, like when COVIDhappened and then I was working
from home.
I'm, like you know, this is aterrible time in history of the
world and this is also one ofthe greatest things that's ever

(29:35):
happened to me personally, likeI don't want to say like
everyone I was with was toxic,but like you know, at points
there are certain individualsbecause maybe of my openness and
wanting to help I would attractsome toxicity and I wanted to
help, so bad and but also theysaw that in you it came at a
cost.
But then also your energy andjust yeah, yeah, same thing

(30:00):
though Panic attacks startingwhen I was 22 and you know I'd
be like I don't know what thisis.
I went to a doctor.
They're like, oh, you have highblood pressure.
Like, no, I don't.
Oh, good job medicine.
Forced on a daily basis to haveto try to prove my, my value as

(30:22):
an individual like I, I feelamazing.
I would like some more money.
That's difficult right now, but, like I, I feel great I
understand that I am abundant.

Kelsey (30:34):
You just say that I understand that I'm abundant and
I'm attracting energy.
I feel abundant, I feel theflow of money into my life, and
I know that sounds so weird.
Everyone's going to be like, oh, not this again, not the
mantras, not the no, it'shelpful.
Our thoughts are so magnetic toeverything the way we show up

(30:56):
in the world and then it impactsour energy, and our energy
impacts how we show up in theworld and it impacts who we meet
and the opportunities that getpresented to us because of how
we show up in the world.
And it impacts who we meet andthe opportunities that get
presented to us because of howwe show up in the world.

Lauren (31:07):
It's like this beautiful map.
Yeah, yeah, I was just tellingyou.
I tell because I started sayingsome like mantras, like money
flows to me easily andeffortlessly, or money is
abundant, and then, and I'll sayit like kind of cheeky to you.
And then, and I'll say it likekind of cheeky to you, like a

(31:33):
few days later something happensthat's like, oh, that just
confirmed you know some littlelike abundance thing, and I like
show gratitude or whatever.
And I tell Frank, but I'm likeyou got to do, you got to say it
out loud to me too.

Frank (31:43):
You know it's one.
It's one thing to love hearing.
I like the mantras and stufflike that, but when your wife is
doing the Groucho Marx eyebrows, I'll say I love abundance, you
are abundant.
I'm like okay, Back off, thisis getting invasive.

Lauren (32:04):
But I love it because her energy is just like here we
go yeah, yeah, I had to do somelike some serious unwinding of
like scarcity mindset and allthat.

Kelsey (32:22):
But I've done some stuff just to get rid of those
limiting beliefs yeah, that'sthat's like an ongoing journey,
though you know, yes, that's myongoing journey too like that's
where I'm at my process rightnow is the scarcity of the, the
wound of like showing up, ofbeing able to be visible,
because I yeah, I've been doingthis work for a lot longer than

(32:44):
like any of my socials oranything would show, because I
was scared to be visible.
So it was all word of mouth orlike yeah, in people in my
circle, and so just this, likelast six months, something
activated in me and was liketime to be visible, get ready.

(33:06):
That's awesome Time to be on apodcast.
Time to be on a podcast, it'scrazy no like legit within the
last couple months.

Frank (33:11):
I felt the same way, though, because if you go look
at my even just my personal liketiktok or instagram, you will
see four photos that have beenthere for four years.
And like I don't do that, butrecently, because of like I I
don't.
I know I don't like donaldtrump like I don't know.

Kelsey (33:29):
Do we need to break that down?
I?

Frank (33:33):
I used to make punk rock and stuff.
And now I'm like, oh, I, myteenage self feels that angst
again and and I, I'm making somelike kind of angsty art as a
way to express.
And now I'm like, oh, I wantthis to be on my social feeds.
Like I, I feel like it's okayto take up space in this
direction, cause this feels likewhat's something that's needed.

(33:54):
So I don't know if that hasanything to do with your calling
as well in the last six months,but it's like time for people
like you to rise up.

Kelsey (34:05):
It does.
It is, I think, so many peopleare going through this right now
.
It's actually one of thereasons that I believe I'm being
called to show up is becausethere are people that need
support and guidance, especiallyfrom people that have walked
through it or, like, have agrounded perspective, or maybe
have been in the corporate worldor have done a one 80 with
their life, or are weird and golive in tents and ditch

(34:28):
everything.
You never know who needssupport.
But yeah, it really is.
And in to your point about theteenager, right, like feeling
into that, it feels like yourinner teenager got liberated, so
now they're just that's kind ofwhat it feels like to me too.
Yeah, Like it just like, evenwhen you spoke about it, your
energy shifted your mannerisms,everything, and then it went

(34:50):
back to you now.
So it's just so cool to seeCause that liberation came out
like popped out and was like hey, and then it.

Frank (34:56):
Yeah.

Lauren (34:57):
Oh, I love that that's so.
That's really fun it makes, forsome reason, I feel like choked
up by that, because that'ssomething that you had to like
fight against.
I had to crush it to go to work, yeah.

Frank (35:13):
Yeah.

Lauren (35:19):
You know you can't, it's too much of a dichotomy to like
feel yeah, you had to.

Frank (35:21):
Like, shut it down.
You have to shut it down, yeah,to feel that way, and then go
show up for your corporate gig.
It's hard to work for the manduring the day and then write
songs against it during thenight.
How hypocritical is that.
And now I'm in a position tonot have to have such a
dichotomy.
That are at odds.

Lauren (35:40):
So I feel like I'm allowed to do that again.
But you also just recently, inthe last couple of months, had
the realization that you areallowed to take up space, or
that you were.
You felt like you couldn't fora while and like that's a.
That's an interesting thing too.

Frank (35:55):
Finally, like that's an annoying into that, like it's
okay it's an annoying thing fora cis white male to say I feel
like I need to take up morespace.
I mean, you know, whitepresenting at least, but the you
know when I see some otherdudes out there.
I had to go to lowe's to picksomething up and I'm, I walk in,
I'm like you know, I'm, I'm,I'm, I'm reserved head down.

(36:16):
I'm gonna go quietly, do thething I need to do, and I just
saw a guy like I never told youthis, I'm like on it.
I'm like tell me sorry, I don'twant to like waste your time
with the stupid low story,because I have so much that I
want to acknowledge for afterthis first of all, this dude's
like seven feet tall right he'swalking his dog into lows and I

(36:36):
noticed, without looking at, asign is there, can you bring
your?
I don't know if you could bringyour dog into lows I think you,
I think you can Okay cool theydon't sell food On the phone,
yell talking at somebody aboutlike oh yeah, well, that's why I
got my fucking lawyer on it andI'm like I can hear you from
across the parking lot and I'mlike just trying to get in and
get out and like be cool.
And I'm like why is he soconfident?

(36:57):
Like what is?
What are you bringing to thetable right now, except for loud
?
You know what I mean.
I was so like, and it was alittle thing like that yeah,
that made me think what am Ibeing so reserved for when, like
, you're even on the phonetalking about the system, you're
talking about your lawyer andall this stuff and it's probably

(37:17):
over something dumb?

Lauren (37:19):
Like so funny.

Frank (37:20):
Why can't I be that expressive about important
things?
You know what I mean, um, or atleast, at the very least, give
people that I know a platform tobe vocal about that kind of
stuff, like you know, like whatwe're doing here on the show.
Yeah, I can still be loud andannoying and I'm still the guy
in the room, but, like you know,I I love, I like being able to

(37:42):
give other people a platformwhere they don't necessarily
have to be loud Cause the room'sa little quieter than that
seven foot monstrosity thatwalked into Lowe's with me.

Kelsey (37:50):
Okay, I have so much I love this story and I love this
seven foot monstrosity becausejust imagine for a minute that
he was supposed to be there foryou.
Imagine for a minute that hispresence awakened a realization
in you and your team of lightorchestrated that for you,

(38:11):
because not everybody shows upto be a nuisance.
Sometimes that orchestration isshowing up to be a lesson or an
awakening moment, and even thatyou're talking about it and it
allowed you permission for, likeyour soul to take up space.
Like I love what you said aboutI'm a cis white man presenting
I don't who wants to hear metake up space, but like there's
a difference, like you can evensay my ego versus my soul, like

(38:33):
you can even start saying, likemy soul wants to take up space.
That's what it feels likeEveryone's soul, like it doesn't
matter what body you were borninto.
You, everyone's soul.
It doesn't matter what body youwere born into.
You didn't choose thatnecessarily.
Maybe you did, but a lot of usare just on a mission to learn,
regardless of what form we comeinto.

Frank (38:56):
And so your soul is always going to want to take up
space and be aligned.
Yeah that is what that momentfelt like it wasn't like my
outward appearance that I wasconcerned about taking up space.
I didn't want to compete withthat person, I just wanted to,
and I don't even want to be asloud or as big as that person, I
just it's okay to take up spaceto represent what you're
supposed to represent in thisworld.

Kelsey (39:17):
Yeah, you're like okay, don't want to be this guy.
I don't know who wants to bethis guy.

Frank (39:20):
I probably don't want people and at the same time,
more power to this guy.
How cool would it be to walkinto a space and not give a shit
about what anybody was thinking?
It is a vibration.

Kelsey (39:31):
It is a vibe, it is a vibration.
You feel that and you're like.
This is the raw power you walkthrough life with, regardless of
, if you like it or not, it'sjust what it is.

Lauren (39:42):
Way less aware of your surroundings, for sure, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Frank (39:49):
Back to you.
I.
I ended up talking about me somuch on the show.

Kelsey (39:52):
I feel so bad about my favorite part because it's
conversational and it's humans,and I love the interview aspect
but, like also we learn so muchthrough other people's stories,
I think being told logicallyversus someone animating a piece
of their life that theyawakened to or went through,
someone's going to hear that andbe like whoa, I can take up

(40:12):
space, that's awesome.

Frank (40:16):
Yes, you can take up space.
We need you to.
Even your awakening, yourreawakening, started when you
were 25.
Even your awakening, yourreawakening, started when you're
25.
Uh, that was, you know, on theroad, living in in national
parks, which is something I'm alittle jealous of.
I think that's sounds very cooland unique.
And how long did that processtake before you said, oh, this

(40:39):
is what, this is what I'msupposed to be.

Kelsey (40:42):
Uh, 28 to 20?
25 to 28,.
28 and a half was about when.
So what ended up happening is Iwas in Seattle, panic attacks
started happening again and Ilove, I'm just going to tell it.
I found people who understandGroupon will understand this,
but at the time Groupon wasstill normal and cool and you

(41:04):
could use it for anything.
So please don't come at me forusing Groupon.
Groupon is a mess now.

Frank (41:12):
It had a shining moment in history and if you missed it
I'm so sorry, but it was.
It was glorious for fiveminutes, so for the five minute
shining moment in history.

Kelsey (41:20):
This incredible Reiki healer put her thing on groupon
and I was, you know, still liketrying to figure out finances
and student loans and all thethings people figure out, and so
I was like a groupon for like,so I bought it.
I went and saw her.
I thought this could be reallyweird or really awesome and I

(41:40):
wasn't sure which way it wasgoing to go.
And I stepped into this magicalhumans portal of a room and
she's dressed in like Uggs andthere's like an eagle wing or I
think it was an eagle or hawkwing that had been gifted to her
through ceremony.
On, you know, there wasfeathers and there was like
drums and she's just like lay onthe table and I had never been

(42:01):
to receiveiki and she did thisentire beautiful ceremony.
And after I got off the tableshe chatted and told me the
messages that came through andshe had a, you know, native lens
.
That was her, her rite ofpassage and history, and so she
brought that in which was justso new and beautiful to me, and

(42:21):
she looked at me and was likeyou have these abilities, you've
been ignoring them and it'sokay Like, it's safe, it's okay
to to do this, to go after this,to recognize this.
And she was the first personand also the first woman that
ever looked at me and like gaveme permission.
And from then, that moment on,it was like the floodgates were

(42:43):
like whoa, here we go.
That's when I immediately signedup for Reiki.
I found this amazing teacher inSeattle.
I was with her for many years.
I joined this cohort ofprobably about 15 other amazing
healers that we went throughlike an advanced intuition,
energy, psychic, medium learningand then from there it just

(43:04):
like keeps going.
It keeps.
It just really blew open FromGroupon.
Thank you, groupon.

Frank (43:11):
Groupon.

Kelsey (43:12):
Oh my gosh.

Frank (43:13):
This episode of Clear Voyaging is sponsored by Groupon
.

Kelsey (43:16):
Bringing it back.

Frank (43:18):
We're bringing it.
That's our new slogan we'rebringing it back baby.
That's so cool.
Wow, that's really beautiful.
How nice of like a I don't knowhow nice of a to have that kind
of ushering into your, your newspiritual period.

Kelsey (43:34):
yeah I felt very fortunate.
I hope to be able to do thatfor other people.
That's really why I show uplike this every day is because I
know that there's people thatfeel lost and scared and nervous
and things are hitting them andthey don't know why, and I
don't want anyone to walk thisalone.
It's a tough time in our modernhistory as well, and so, if you
add in all the factors that aregoing on for people, they have

(43:56):
a hard time disseminating what'stheir own voice, what's an
outside voice, what they shouldfeel, and I just hope to be able
to, like, extend a hand and sayit's okay, you know you're safe
, let's walk like, let's walktogether.
That's kind of that's awesome.

Frank (44:11):
Yeah, that's fantastic.
We need people like you yeah,that's so beautiful.

Lauren (44:18):
I didn't know what Reiki was and I went to.
I had like a nice session.
It wasn't anything as likeprofound as as that it was.
I was actually driving up to itand I was like this is at her
house.
Oh god, this is at her house.
I've never done this before andI'm at some lady's house, and

(44:39):
what if she is going to actuallymurder me?
Like I think I sent you mylocation.
I was like I just realized,like I don't know what I'm
walking into at all.

Frank (44:53):
I think I just met her husband.

Lauren (44:56):
No, no, I think I was like what if she has a like a
murdery husband?
A murdery husband, I don't yeahVery different, I don't yeah
Very different.

Frank (45:06):
I mean, yeah, everyone, go to Reiki for your first time
if you haven't, but make sureyou share your location with
somebody, just in case they havea murdery husband.

Lauren (45:13):
It was very lovely and so peaceful.
And she immediately, like youknow, I was put at ease and like
, okay, this is great, but but,um, an eagle wing.
And like she was just like oh,your hands have a lot of energy
in them.
You must've been a healer inanother life or whatever.

Frank (45:31):
And I'm like, okay, Well, it sounds like Kelsey.
You got someone who is not justa Reiki master, but also a
Reiki practitioner, but alsovery, very deeply intuitive.

Kelsey (45:42):
Yeah, yeah, she.
What I see so much happen isand you're you're spot on with
that is that a lot of us gothrough Reiki as a modality to
make sense of it all and tohonor that tradition, and then
we start tuning into our ownchannels and bringing in the
information that's meant for usand our healing, the healing
modalities that are meant tocome through us, and they often

(46:03):
integrate and look verydifferent.
Reiki is a really beautiful wayfor people to understand
they're safe in that spacebecause we're honoring the
boundaries.
Like I still honor the sameboundaries that Reiki taught me,
but the energy work I'm doingis different modalities in my
own modalities, throughout too.

Frank (46:21):
I wanted to ask you about that because I once, throughout
too.
I wanted to ask you about thatbecause I once we're we always
advocate for reiki on the show,but I have been told once by uh
somebody that they sensed reikiand the symbols you learn or
receive as somewhat limiting, um, and it sounds like you've
maybe used reiki as a, as alaunch pad for other stuff.

(46:43):
Is that?
Is there a truth to that, where, like, reiki can be somewhat
limiting if you're ready to movebeyond it?

Kelsey (46:49):
It seems to me, like you take, you know you have like a
spark and a fire, right.
And so if you're trying to havelike a tiny fire, little like
tiny spark fire, and you'reroasting one marshmallow, that
feels safe there.
But if you have a whole groupof people that are trying to
make s'mores, it's going to bereally hard to do it with that
little flame.
You need a huge roaring fire tomake the group s'mores.

Lauren (47:16):
I don't know if this analogy is making sense, but I'm
a roll with it.
So, basically, you know, itfeels like the.

Kelsey (47:19):
For me it can be just as powerful, but that's for me.
It was that smaller flame whereI could work with one person

(47:41):
and work through some of thoseinitial energies, but it was as
much as like what my team oflight instruct me to do through
just receiving.
So everything I do is just foris going to look different Every
single person that comesthrough it's.
It's never going to be the samepractice.

Frank (47:57):
And do you do that as an individual practitioner?

Kelsey (48:17):
or you are now doing that as a group.
My home galactic planet healersand I'm bringing in, you know,
all of the like.
Ascended masters are workingwith angels.
I'm working with a lot ofdifferent entities of the light,
I would say that are bringingin energy flow in just the most
beautiful way so is it more orless like you have a giant

(48:39):
toolbox at your disposal nowthat Reiki showed you how to
initiate?

Lauren (48:43):
That's exactly what it's like.
Was that something you weretrained in or something where
you intuitively started pickingup more and more kind of
information through your guidesand like intuitively knowing
what to?

Kelsey (48:59):
do.
It was both I feel reallyfortunate it was both so the
same person who taught me Reikithrough all the levels.
Then I went on to do what shecalled an advanced intuition
program, which was a cohort ofmany healers that were ready to
learn different modalities,beings and modalities.

(49:26):
And then from there, when Ikind of went off on my own, it's
all been what's been comingthrough through my own
experiences, through likeactivation, through meditation,
through channeling and exploringas well, Like what I do for
myself and my family, because Itend to also bring those same
healing modalities into my ownpractice as well.

Lauren (49:42):
That's cool.
What are rainbow people?

Kelsey (49:45):
I hope I can do this justice because this was
introduced to me, but uh, thethey are.
I want to make sure like I'mpolitically correct here but a
ancient hawaiian um healers aswell.
Oh, so there's sorry, there'stwo there's the ancient hawaiian
healers and then there's therainbow people, and so these are
all beings that help comeground and stabilize and flow.

(50:06):
Think of, like a rainbow lightthrough to through the person
who's doing the hands-on healingthrough, and it's just a very
like safe, clearing, highfrequency light and they show up
and they'll usually like placehands and ground and stabilize.
So it's.
It's like, if you're feelinglike you need extra support in a
session, I'll call in differentbeings depending on what level

(50:28):
of support I feel I need tooffer the person.
Like, for instance, if theperson is going through or has
gone through immense trauma or,um, honestly, sexual trauma,
I'll call in a lot of thosebeings to help ground and
provide that extra layer of likelove and and healing support,
as I'm helping them work throughthat, because it'll you know,

(50:49):
it comes up to the surface thisis a dumb question, but there's
no dumb question.

Lauren (50:54):
I always like, when you call in like different beings,
do you kind of have this senseof like okay, like okay, they've
arrived, or like ArchangelMichael is here now, and like
you know what that feels like,yeah, so for me it's a feeling,

(51:17):
so I can feel and know.

Kelsey (51:19):
So those are two big ones for me.
And then I think, after thefeeling and knowing comes the
seeing, and then for me, andthen I think after the feeling
and knowing comes the seeing,and then for me the hearing is
actually more on the lastechelon for me.
I'm always working with all ofthem, but I tend to, yeah, I
will like feel their presenceand I guess I do for certain,
them I'll see, but I won't seelike the full being.

(51:40):
I might see just like the handI know that sounds really creepy
, but it's not, it's verycomforting Like the hand or the
light right On either side.
I do see, I do see people'sguides and I do see their team
of light, but I feel them firstin my like physical presence in
my body, or like I'll feel theessence of them come through and
with with working with angelsas well, like you can sometimes

(52:02):
hear at least for me, you canhear like a I know this sounds
really awesome wild, but like afrequency change.
So that's how I know that lightbeing.

Frank (52:13):
Wait, hold on A frequency change the way you just the
sound you just made makes itsound like you know when an
electric car rolls down the road, and they make that sound.

Lauren (52:21):
So you know, it sounds like that.
Like that A light hum.

Kelsey (52:29):
It electric car rolls down the road and they make that
sound.
So you know, it sounds likethat a light hum.
I mean it sounds like that itsounds like that, um yeah, like
when they're backing up and itturns on, it's like, oh, it's
that, that's the frequency Ihear them show up for me, so I
always trust.
I love that too, though,because I am.
I have seen a lot of darkthings and I have witnessed and
felt a lot of energies as anunprotected like, without being
able to protect or ask them togo away, and for a lot of my

(52:50):
life, I felt fear, because I waswitnessing all these without
being able to escape or, likesend them away, and so I love
that I can now sense when abeing is of like the light and
has a really high frequency andis there for, like the highest
and best good.
So my entire practice is so bigon making sure those beings are
there for the absolute highestand best for whoever is with me.

Lauren (53:13):
Man, that's so nice.
I want to hear that.

Frank (53:18):
So you said that the.

Lauren (53:19):
I gotta meditate more.

Frank (53:21):
Oh, you want to hear that the sound.

Lauren (53:22):
Yeah, I want to hear like angels or guys.
Oh well, just the next time youhear that.

Frank (53:26):
Just look around you to make sure there's not a Chevy
Bolt bedding up somewhere.

Kelsey (53:29):
Yeah, make sure that too , because it could really throw
you off.
You could be like God.
Is that you and they'll be likeit's just a bunch of kids
getting into guys?
It's just a hybrid.

Frank (53:40):
It last thing you want is to think you're about to like
see an angel, and then to havesomeone's like license plate
embedded in your forehead.

Kelsey (53:46):
So I will say they aren't all like that.
The you know the beings that Ifeel I'm had a lot of past life.
You know regressions that havebeen facilitated for me in this,
this beings, theseintergalactic beings that are
like my home place.
I actually haven't talked to itabout it out loud a lot yet
because I wanted to make sure Iwas really grounded in what I

(54:06):
was channeling and bringingthrough.
But they came to me with likean activate, activate, activate
type of thing where it was avery strong presence and it was
like a physical touch and then atelepathic connection.
And so they aren't all as like.
Oh, you know, some of them area little more intense than that.

Lauren (54:28):
Yeah, can you say more about what you mean by activate,
activate, activate.

Kelsey (54:35):
I can.
So I was in the woods by myhouse.
I'd had some really strongreadings, some really strong
things coming through in thelast couple of weeks.
Prior to that, I had learnedabout this past life on this
planet as this being years prior, like I had sat with it for
five to seven years.
I think, oh, five, yeah, fiveto seven years at this point.

(54:55):
And all of a sudden I get amessage from my guides like you
should touch the ground and thentouch your third eye.
And I was already in a veryspiritual, connected place.
And when I get insights likethat now I'm like, okay, cool,
let's do it.
It's gonna I hope no one hiking, you know, is freaked out, but
we're gonna do it.
So I'm the person in the woods.

(55:16):
That's like touching the ground, touching my third eye, so I do
that.
And then I get like, just goaround.
I'm so sorry.
Uh, it's happening and yeah,and all of a sudden I just got
they showed up.
I got like an activate,activate.
Activate meaning it was amoment of activation, and from

(55:37):
then on they've been calledthrough in my sessions, I've
been able to channel them andit's just been like an
incredible new thing that Iactually wasn't sure I would
ever get the chance to likespeak with them directly or feel
called to them in that way tochannel messages from them.
But that was wild.
That was the first time that'shappened to me, so that's

(55:58):
amazing, okay.

Lauren (56:01):
So when people are saying activations because I
don't think I've gotten thatdefinition before, but when
they're, when someone says anactivation, it's like
potentially a new energy thatyou're someone might be
connecting with or able to senseyeah, it is.

Kelsey (56:20):
That that's a really good way to put it.
Everyone seems to be a bitdifferent in how they perceive
an activation.
For me, it felt like I was ableto hold it.
My abilities were groundedenough, I had learned enough, I
had been safe enough, I couldcontrol how my energy was

(56:41):
protected in the world where Iwas, like, ready for it, and so
it was a connection with thesebeings that I am assuming was
part of my soul path and I wasmeant to connect with them, but
it was just a matter of like,when or how that would be safe
to do.
That.
It is for me a home, what Icall my home planet, planet, so
it feels like an originationpoint for me.

(57:03):
So as far back as I have beenable to go, and it is beings
that are telepathic based, butthey anyways.
They communicate energetically.
They are tiny, blue, with, likethese beautiful antennae on
them, and they actually syncwith the earth, so the earth and
them.
They speak the same language astheir planet.
It's a really fascinating,beautiful exploration, like I'm

(57:27):
sharing it real time, becauseI'm exploring it and I've done
all the work to understand ifthese beings exist for other
people and I can't find anythingon the web or of any existence
that anyone has mentioned, thisspecific like planet and beings
and how they communicate.
So I'm also just really curiousabout that, that is interesting

(57:48):
.

Frank (57:49):
I haven't heard anybody.
Wait, did you get a name forlike a planet or a people?
I?

Kelsey (57:54):
did actually earlier today, so that's why it's really
fresh on my mind.
Um, it's basically the way itfeels, so it's a little hard,
but it's like lanoa is the isthe rhythm and vibration, and so
that is how they've comethrough with the planet.
But they've let me know thatthat's not how they name it,

(58:14):
it's just how I can receive itin english, sure wow, oh, I'm so
.
I'm so curious to hear how thatprogresses yeah, that's really
cool I love being able to sharereal time, though, because I I
do want everyone to know thatwe're all on this journey.

(58:36):
None of us have figured it out.
None of us are walking thislike well, at least no one I
know even the best teachers Ihave are not some super
enlightened beings that have itfigured out.
Like we are revisiting the samestuff over and over again, and
anything that my team of lightwants to share or like these
beings or other beings want tobring through, I just honor that

(58:57):
.
It's like the right time, yeahright.

Frank (59:01):
And if I can add a very human point to that too, anybody
who acts like they have it allfigured out or know what's going
on is lying yeah yeah, redflags, red flags everywhere yeah
, it's good to have confidence,but I think we all need to be
humbled by this work and this aswell.

Lauren (59:24):
Yeah yeah, this is a very human 3D experience.

Kelsey (59:33):
Unfortunately, I think we're moving into more of a 5D
experience.
It feels like there's been ahuge shift these last six months
, but I'm not sure if you twohave felt it as well.

Frank (59:41):
Yes, yes, I'm not sure if you two have felt it as well.
Yes, yes, even as muggles like,there's a clear push into
something new and it's.
It's very interesting to tryand, as people who are solid,
solid, solidly in the 3d realmright now, it's very interesting
to still perceive that and belike whoa, something's something

(01:00:02):
big as as a foot, you know buteven just the amount of people
and I don't think it's justbecause I'm more willing to like
have these conversations likethat, like we have on our
podcast.

Lauren (01:00:16):
I think it's interesting to see the shift in, like the
other people's like willingnesswhere, like even two years ago,
if you like talk about pastlives or spirits or something.
There's still people who arelike yuck, don't, like I hate

(01:00:38):
that or something.
But then there's a lot ofpeople where you can feel like
oh yeah, I'm all about it andyou're like people waiting to
talk about it yeah, so, and itfeels like it's a bigger
collection again.
Could be because I'm just likeyou want to talk about it, but
it does feel like it's becominga little more wide, widespread

(01:01:04):
or acceptable, or I don't know.

Kelsey (01:01:06):
Yeah, I was.
I mean when people would ask meit's true but like people would
ask me even a year ago, what doyou do?
And I would just say I am aReiki, I am an intuitive energy
healer.
I would leave out the psychicmedium part all the time until I
felt like I was safe to saythat, like internally, I think,
inside, and then also externally, yeah, so it took me a really

(01:01:28):
long time to speak that part outloud, but that's like the
truest part of what I do.
So there has to be somereckoning there.
Your guides are funny.
They keep bringing littlemessages through, and the one
they just brought through I haveto tell you because I think
it's very funny.
Wait, my guides are franks, orboth of ours well okay, hold on

(01:01:50):
it originated from franks, butyour, your, the vision of like,
your future looks a littledifferent than frank's.
They're two paths, convergingbut separate, like walking
alongside but the thing.
We've been told that beforeyeah, the thing they keep saying
is uh, or that they just saidwhen you said the muggles
muggles like us is, immediatelythey came in and said tell them
they're not as muggly muggles asthey think they are you know

(01:02:14):
it's funny.

Frank (01:02:14):
As soon as I said that, I said that doesn't feel like I
should be saying that anymore.
Yeah, and I even thought of abackup joke, saying it would be
funny if we call the strugglesbecause we're struggling to
unmuggle but it's fine they likethat joke.

Kelsey (01:02:27):
They like that joke a bit better.
Um, but they were not they.
They weren't pleased that youput yourself in that category
got it my bad am I pleased theyhad to joke, because they always
do everything to you know humor, like if you have a joyful
humor essence they'll come inexactly like that that's good to

(01:02:48):
know.

Frank (01:02:48):
Okay, all right, that's so funny, yeah, so wait, hold on
.
What else do they have to say?

Kelsey (01:02:57):
let's do it, um, okay, so what's fascinating?
Uh, lauren, when they show meyour path a little bit and I
don't I don't know if you'vefelt this before, but like reiki
was the foray but they'reactually not showing me with you
as like a hands-on healing,that it actually comes through
of more of a, of a, like a mind,through the mind, like you have
a really strong mind connection, so it's more of a

(01:03:18):
understanding, so you'll be ableto pull messages through pretty
.
They're showing me a prettysoon timeline one, one and a
half.
So like I'm taking that asyears, not months, where there's
like a turning point and you'regoing to start getting like
messages through from yourguides and you'll, your guys,
will be able to communicate withother people's guides, and so
it comes through as like athought, but it's like you know

(01:03:40):
it in your head so no logic canexplain.
So that seems to be your pathin, not so much the hands-on
healing you've already done thata handful of times and you know
it too.

Frank (01:03:51):
Yeah, you've been like we've talked about on the show
before, but lauren gave me atalking to recently just like an
encouraging talking and she waslike I'm in lockstep with your
spirit guys right now.
She got Lauren is calm.
She got fired up.

Lauren (01:04:07):
She knew I was yeah, yeah.
It was like I know he needs tohear all of this and and it's
all coming out so easily that itfelt like I was just joking
about being in lockstep withyour spirit guys, but it also
felt very true.

Frank (01:04:21):
Yeah, it felt true to me.

Kelsey (01:04:23):
Were you, though, because they think that you
owned the truth for a minute,like that's how it feels.
Is that you?
owned the truth and it felt safe.
It felt good to do that becauseit was with him, but it did.
Yeah, they're showing me thisopening up for you with people
that aren't just in your circleand not just like conversations
you can feel safe in, butthere's going to be, oh my, so

(01:04:44):
there's a really interestinglike lifeline for you there
where you make this more of yourlife than you anticipated.
It's going to be Really, yeah,this seems to streamline into
more of like a main part of yourlife, and so the word guide is
coming through.
So they're showing me guide.
They're showing me edgy, sothey're showing me a client.

(01:05:05):
They're showing me edgy.
So they're showing me aclientele, or like a circle of
people that don't have someonefor them.
Right, that like it's too muchin the light for some people,
but you're bringing an edgiervibe to this process, and so
they show me as like you, askind of a branded, as like an
edgier healing guide for people.

(01:05:26):
They're showing me a lot offire.
So like a fiery person, a fierypersonality, a fiery guide,
fire like not afraid to speakyour truth, interwoven with,
like all of your ideology andbeliefs around, like gender
politics.
These are all things that arelike streaming in, so that this
is this core of you is justgonna like and then this ability
comes into it.
I don't know if you've exploredever coaching or coaching women

(01:05:48):
, but that also looks like anavenue.

Lauren (01:05:50):
That's interesting, cause I just did this thing
where someone told me like theywent through this whole process
of showing me what my gift isand like they gifted me or
whatever.
It was like this kind ofvisualization thing and it was
like putting together that mygift is like creating an
environment to talk.
I help create an environmentfor people to talk about

(01:06:12):
difficult things in a safe wayand I was like, well, that's, I
mean one, that's what we'redoing on a podcast, but also
that's kind of what I do becauseof just the grief that I've
experienced or challenges andstuff like that.
I like getting in there to likework through.
I wouldn't want to be atherapist, but I like helping

(01:06:36):
people with their like trauma orlike kind of helping, like
let's clear that out or likelet's get in there and like talk
about it or bring it to thesurface where you can heal it,
and I can like help you throughthat and help you like have ways
to do that.
So, as I'm talking about thatnow, I'm like, yeah, it's kind
of similar to coaching.

Frank (01:06:57):
I love.
I love that for Lauren toobecause, like I think, I've been
waiting for a long time forLauren's like fiery spirit to
erupt and I know it's there.
I know it's there, but there'ssome like hesitation and I want
to.

Lauren (01:07:13):
Yeah, it's like anytime I battle through like self doubt
or, you know, like self worthit's.
It's kind of that.
Who am I to?
Whatever?

Kelsey (01:07:27):
Yeah, yeah, who is anybody though?
But it's it's kind of that.
Who am I to, whatever?
Yeah, yeah, who's anybodythough?
But it's cracking.
It's like the cracks are therea little bit and it feels like
it's gonna break open prettysoon.
Uh, I just and even when youtalk about that intuitive guide
coach getting in, there's womenthat need that and there's
people that need that, thatdon't want hands laid on them
like that's just not acomfortable place.
I also think you do betterthrough like a medium or a video

(01:07:50):
medium, because you can focusmore on the messages you're
getting.
Like it seems like you get morereal time instead of getting in
the confusion of someone else'senergy a little bit so like
that, oh, that physicalseparation.
But when you talked about that,when you were speaking about
what you had been interested inor envisioning you also, there
was a really strong resonance ofmoney as a frequency, as a tool

(01:08:12):
.
So that seems really tied tolike a value, a worth of like.
I should absolutely do this andI absolutely should charge
people for this, because that isthe exchange right.
We have to exchange in order tokeep the balance.
So that's an equilibrium.
It feels, like a step out of Idon't want to say out of
motherhood, but like there'smotherhood.

(01:08:34):
And then there's this fiery,emboldened, strong you that's
coming out of that, that's beingborn out of that, but it's just
a little bit.
Like you know, it's over thisnext year and a half.
That's really cool, frank, yoursis a little different right
like you, actually love thetangible, so unfortunately yeah,

(01:08:57):
your stuff is, but I seethrough production and like
music and visual art, even anencoding of things to help
people, starting as that like itfeels like you're encoding a
lot of this beautiful light andenergy and understanding shadows
and walking through your ownand like accepting your own self

(01:09:20):
but like encoding it in yourwork a little bit more and what
you're putting.

Frank (01:09:23):
That's what I have been doing.
Yeah, I've just started that.
Yeah, that's a big.
That's your path for a littlebit more and what you're putting
.
That's what I have been doing.
Yeah, but I've just startedthat yeah, that's a big.

Kelsey (01:09:28):
That's your path for a little bit.
It's gonna evolve, but it'sgonna get bigger.
It's gonna shift and morph.
It looks like right now it'slike this swirling kind of
purple, uh energy ball.
And then all of a sudden it'sjust like and it gains momentum,
right and now, all of a sudden,and then you're pulling people
into your sphere and instead ofsomeone telling you what to do,
it seems like you're guidingother people, but not in a like

(01:09:53):
counseling way or in a guide way, but more in an arts way, like
through your language, throughthe language of your soul.

Frank (01:10:00):
That's I mean.
You're spot on to like how Ifeel.

Lauren (01:10:04):
And stuff I've been, I've been pushing you towards
just for whatever reason, causeI feel like that's what you're,
that's where you're going, andyou've been like, but for what?

Frank (01:10:14):
but, but what you know like I said, that's how it feels
in terms of like, even thecolor, like I've been very
purple based lately and I don'tknow why.
It's just that that's beenresonating for me so much.
And like this you pointed itout this like re-spiriting of
myself of like wait, I was, Iwas angsty and I was 16, I was

(01:10:35):
17 and and that was not wrong,it's okay.
And and now, coming into itfrom I'm 40, now coming into it
from more of a, not anauthoritative standpoint, but
like I am now in the, I am nowon the uh, the captain's crew of
the world.
Now, you know, and and I stillfeel the same way, I mean, even

(01:10:58):
with the show, like I want tomake, I want to be help this be
a bridge for people to get tothe next part of their lives, if
they have felt like down andout, you know, yeah, and if I
can collect people and filterthem to Lauren, that would be
like the greatest thing in theworld.
That's like what I would loveto do.
I would like to collect edgypeople and send them to my, my,
my newly discovered edgy versionof my wife.

Kelsey (01:11:21):
It, really it, like you said, it feels like your paths
are walking alongside and theyconverge a little bit, but then
they right, they're not.
They look really different.
Two different energies, yeah,but they're complementary in the
way that your paths areexpanding.
Yeah, your purple swirly seemsto be getting larger, which
attracts.
When you have that expansiveenergy, it and that can be a lot

(01:11:44):
of pressure.
But your guides are justreminding me to speak truth to
you about like all of this hadto happen so you could share
your truth with other people.
And if you get a harebrainedidea for a project that feels
totally like an anomaly, pleaseexplore that, because they would
really like you to explore that.

Frank (01:12:02):
Oh my God, you hear that Lauren Wait like every hour
Because I've got about a new oneevery hour.

Kelsey (01:12:09):
This one's been sitting with you.
This is when you keeprevisiting, so it's not one
that's just like okay, what kindof business can we start today?
It's actually one that keepskind of popping in your space in
different ways, but the core ofit's the same.
So it's definitely creative.
It definitely has a visualaspect.
It is different, though, thanlike what you do I don't know
how else to say it, but it feelslike kind of a like an opposite

(01:12:31):
, like if you had two ideas on alike seesaw right, it would be
balancing the other half of yourseesaw, and so, yeah, they're
just reminding me to tell you toexplore that that keeps flowing
in.

Frank (01:12:45):
I'm just starting to allow music to be a part of my
life again and I have also juststarted doing some like visual
art stuff again and stuff that Iwould have normally classified
as a waste of time and likesilly, especially in a period of
time when, like, I'm likewhere's, where's the payday
coming?
Because, cause you know, we're,we're, we're trying to move and

(01:13:06):
all that stuff, but I'm like Ialso really feel drawn to do
this.

Kelsey (01:13:10):
So, yeah, I mean spot on right now, but it's come.
It's coming soon.
You won't have the full pictureright now.
Like you know, sometimes peoplesee visions of the future and
they get a full picture and theyjust know where they're heading
.
And they get a full picture andthey just know where they're
heading.
And sometimes they see one stepand it's just completely blank
until they take the next step.
Yours seems to be like asettled it really.

(01:13:33):
I know we've talked about yourlocation, but it does feel tied
to location a bit where, onceyou're in an energy of
exploration and you're settled,then you will get the bigger
steps.
You'll get those 10 steps aheadof you because your path needs
to lead you to like that space,and then the 10 steps are going
to show up because you can't seethe 10 steps from where you are
right now because they don'texist in your periphery, like in

(01:13:56):
your circle.

Frank (01:13:57):
Yeah, I've been told that too.
It's so frustrating.
I love this.
I put her on my water bottle.
It's the two of swords.
More than anything, it's just ablindfold.
I'm like I just got to trustthe process here.
Yeah, it's there.

Kelsey (01:14:12):
They're like they're.
They're saying like jump andwe're going to catch you, and
they made a joke.
They're like not to catch youin our arms, but like in a big
like black parachute where youlike bounce up and down for a
while and they like are going tomake it fun, like they want to
ensure that it's going to be funand it's going to be a bit of a
wild ride, but it's going to befun.
It's not going to be typical orlinear or like prescribed.

(01:14:32):
It's going to look a little bit, a little bit wild for you guys
.

Frank (01:14:36):
That makes sense, cause anything that's been typical or
linear or prescribed so far hasnot panned out 'm I'm in it for
I'm in it for the ride anyways,they're just a few things they
wanted me to pull through foryou guys and that's so helpful.
Thank you so much wow, that'sso cool yeah, that's like and
also like for me, particularlylike.
I feel like the stuff I neededto hear right now yeah, it's

(01:15:00):
like stuff that we were talkingabout even today yeah I always
say, like sometimes the messagesthat come through don't have to
be this profound, like, hey,your life is gonna.

Kelsey (01:15:08):
You know, it doesn't always feel that way.
Sometimes it's just the thingsthat are going on in the moment.
We just need reassurance, weneed to know that they are in
tune with us and that they areseeing our life play out and
helping guide us as we createour own lives, cause, ultimately
, we're creating right.
We're creating our lives.
Ultimately, we're creatingright.

Frank (01:15:24):
We're creating our lives, but we have guidance, yeah,
yeah, yeah, okay.
Let me ask you one morequestion.
Of all the things you didduring your like developmental
phase of getting to this, thispoint in your life, where you're
now this incredibly comfortable, incredibly intuitive person
and I know it's a journey I'mnot saying you're done, but to
get to the point that you're atnow what was the one thing that

(01:15:46):
if you could pull, one thingthat anybody could do, that's
just the thing they should startdoing now to address any
discomforts that they have.
I did not ask that correctly.
What am I trying to ask?
I don't know it feels aligned.

Kelsey (01:15:59):
I'm going to tell you why.
Okay, I know this is going tosound like a plug, but I think
it is happening at the righttime.
I just announced I'm launchinga course next week on embodied
intuition of daily rituals forawakening intuitive living, and
it's just like a little five daymini course easy, you know, low

(01:16:21):
, whatever.
But the reason I did it is forthat exact reason, is because
that is what I want to sharewith people, is like what I
would do if I could do anything,and it's really about dimming
the noise of what people aretelling you, of any inputs.
Like when I went through all ofthis, I stopped drinking, I
stopped doing psychedelics, Istopped drinking coffee, like my

(01:16:42):
life is.
I stopped watching TV.
I'm very like about what goesin my system.
Right, it all just went away.
I'm not.
I love to dance and I lovefestivals and I love to still go
out and have a good time, but Iyeah, I anyways those daily
rituals for me changed and itfelt like I didn't have a
guidance system.
So I would just really tellpeople to like tune in to their

(01:17:03):
daily listening, figure outthrough channeled writing,
through journaling, through anyeasy means, but like weave it in
in really low impact ways,because, as parents, as for me,
as a mom or just as aneurodivergent person, anything
that required me to have a 20,30, 50 minute dedicated ritual

(01:17:25):
was painful and horrible and itnever stuck and I truly just
like it sent me back in the factthat I felt guilt and shame and
second guessed myself for notbeing able to, yeah, to take
that time and just like dedicateit.

Frank (01:17:41):
I love that you're doing that.
No, that's amazing.
So while we're at it, why don'tyou give everybody else your
other plugs so they know whereto find you and see what other
work you're doing?

Kelsey (01:17:48):
Yeah, you can find me on all the places under the same
handle.
So, kelsey Anderson Intuitive,I am on Instagram, blue Sky
Threads, I run a sub stackcalled Soul Threads and I have a
podcast on Spotify and Applecalled Soul Threads, and you can
also visit my website, kelseyAnderson intuitivecom, and
that's where you can find me andI'll be, yeah, having that

(01:18:11):
course come out next week foranyone who wants daily rituals
for intuitive living.

Frank (01:18:17):
What fantastic timing.
That's awesome.

Lauren (01:18:18):
Yeah, cool, you know, there's no coincidence.

Frank (01:18:23):
Here are.
Thank you so much.

Kelsey (01:18:23):
Kelsey thank you guys, thank you for making it a really
fun space yay thanks, kelsey.

Frank (01:18:32):
We'll talk to you soon.
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