064: Human-Pet Psychic Connection // with Sage Lewis

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We had an amazing conversation with Sage Lewis, a gifted intuitive who connects with both humans and animals in profound ways. Sage shares her remarkable journey, illuminated by personal experiences that ignited her spiritual path and led her to embrace her intuitive abilities. In this episode, we explore the intricate dynamics of communication between pets and their humans, including how animals convey their fears, anxieties, and even messages from beyond. With warmth and insight, Sage discusses her shamanic practices, offering listeners a window into the spiritual realms where she helps transition both animals and people in hospice care. Listeners will discover practical ways to enhance their connections with their pets, learn how to better understand their needs, and foster deeper empathy in their relationships. As we peel back the layers of intuition and animal communication, the episode proves to be a blend of humor, emotion, and valuable lessons that remind us just how interconnected we are with the animal kingdom. 

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:01):
Welcome Voyagers.
In this episode we talked toSage Lewis, an intuitive for
people and pets.
We talked about her realizationthat she can communicate with
animals.
A powerful shamanic journey,psychic whales and more.
I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank (00:15):
And I'm Frank.

Lauren (00:16):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode64 of Claire Voyaging Wayfeather
Media presents Claire Voyagingwhat's up.

Frank (00:47):
Hey, how's it going, guys ?
We'll never be good at this.

Lauren (00:50):
Oh no, there's no way around it.

Frank (00:52):
No, no, we know how to say hi really loud we do.
And then just shout past that.
It's just uh, it's awkwardsilence.
Imagine how our first date went.

Lauren (01:05):
That's so not true, because we were friends already
we were yeah well, I guess who'sgonna pay the bill we um.

Frank (01:16):
We both know how bad off we each are financially, and so
I mean, I guess we should.

Lauren (01:27):
I guess this is it.

Frank (01:28):
I guess we should have gone someplace else okay, I hope
everyone's doing great.

Lauren (01:35):
I want to tell you a little update okay, yeah, great
yeah diane bought us a coffee.
Diane Diane, Hold on where's mybutton.
Thank you, Yay Diane.

Frank (01:47):
Are you serious?
That's so nice.

Lauren (01:49):
And I want to say I really liked this message that
Diane included, which is we areall the treetops energetically
connected.

Frank (01:58):
Wow.
That's so cool, that is nice.
What a nice visual.
I know I like that a lot.

Lauren (02:03):
Yeah, thank you, diane.
Cool, that is nice, but what anice visual.
I know I like that a lot.
Yeah, thank you, diane.
Thank you, diane.
That's, that's my update.
Cool, yeah, and let's get tosage's episode.
Um she, I want to tell a funnystory that she found us on
spotify and when she firstreached out she said our ad came
up on shaggy radio, which washilarious shaggy we had had a
Spotify ad running for a littlewhile and she's like it came up

(02:27):
on Shaggy Radio.
I'm like fantastic, I didn'tknow that that was our
demographic, but great.
And then she realized that itwas actually Amazing Grace Radio
and I'm like that makes moresense, but-.

Frank (02:39):
You know, if you think about it, though, we are very
bombastic.

Lauren (02:48):
They call me Mr lover.
I like to believe that our adwas running on shaggy radio, so
I'm gonna just kind of stickwith that also.
Uh, I want to mention that sagehas sent us some of her
chocolate.
She makes chocolate sage makeschocolate it's like ceremonial
chocolate, it's delicious.

Frank (03:07):
It's made with love.
It's so good yeah.

Lauren (03:10):
If you like dark chocolate or ceremonial sipping
cacao, go to her website whichis tie-dye-dragonfly-cacaocom,
we'll also link it and buy some.

Frank (03:22):
Yes, yeah, it's worth it.

Lauren (03:24):
One more thing If you listen to this podcast and you
don't watch the video on thisepisode, you might be a bit
confused during the time whenSage does a quick reading for
our dog, Theodore, because wewere laughing really hard and we
put headphones on Theodore'shead and it was really funny.

Frank (03:42):
He's a one foot tall dog and he, for just a few moments,
was one of our co-hosts.

Lauren (03:49):
And he was so serious about it we just couldn't stop
laughing.
But I don't think we said itwhile we were doing it.

Frank (03:56):
We didn't say what was happening.

Lauren (03:58):
I wanted to preface this .

Frank (03:59):
You'll hear some ruffling around and then a very quiet
and confused dog at a microphone, wearing headphones.

Lauren (04:06):
So I just wanted to give that little preface, in case
you're like what the hell isgoing on during that little
moment, and with that, pleaseenjoy our episode with Sage
Lewis.
Let it rip, sage.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
Can you give us some backstoryon your journey to mediumship?

(04:31):
You communicate with humans andanimals who have crossed, so
how'd you get here?

Sage (04:38):
Yeah, I think it's so funny.
I don't think I don't think in25 years anybody's ever asked
that question Like how did youget here?
So I love that, um, and whatI'm realizing is it was the
death of my grandmother first.
Okay, um boy, I was in the latenineties my, I'm guessing me, I

(04:59):
don't know Um, but it waswhenever my grandma died.
Uh, she came to me, and when Isay she came to me, I was in
that kind of liminal spacebetween sleeping and waking and
she put her hand on my chest andI felt my grandmother's hand on

(05:19):
my chest after she passed awayand it of course freaked me out.
But then I also had this kindof like grandma, like what do
you, what do you want to, whatdo you want to say?
And I saw an image of herstitching something onto a, an
apron, and that's all Iremembered about my connection
with my grandmother after shepassed away.

(05:41):
And you know, I kind of tuckedthat away and a couple of years
later I was in a pretty bad caraccident, had a near death out
of body experience.
That was in 2000.
And was in a place in my lifewhere there were some changes

(06:01):
that I knew were going to betaking place.
But that near death out ofbodyof-body experience during
the car accident really pushedme to a place of deepening my
spiritual practices.
And I mean it was pretty trippyto see myself outside of the
car, outside of my body, at atime in my life when I didn't
have the skills to trulyunderstand what was happening.

(06:22):
But I was looking back atmyself from outside of the car
and I was like, wow, did I justdie?
Like I had this Rolodex.
I guess I'm diving deep.
At the beginning I had thiskind of Rolodex.
If you're old enough to knowwhat a Rolodex is, it was that
you know, life review is likeboom in the moment of impact.
I had this of impact.

(06:48):
I had this like here's my wholelife in one flip of a Rolodex
and that really shifted my levelof consciousness into
recognizing what else wasavailable, what else was out
there, and I realized I'd beengiven another chance.
Wow, it was two years after thatmy father passed away and he
passed away suddenly, and thenight that he died I got a phone
call and it was the your dad'sgone phone call and it was

(07:12):
either later that night or itwas, you know, early.
We into the morning hours or itwas the next day.
I went to bed same thing.
I went to bed and boom, here'smy dad standing at the foot of
my bed.
And same thing.
It was like whoa, okay, take abreath and figure out what's
really going on here.
And it's like, okay, so mygrandmother showed up.

(07:34):
I had this car accident.
Here's my dad at the foot ofthe bed and somewhere in there I
started also learning aboutshamanic practices, shamanism
and plant medicine and plantspirit medicine.

(07:54):
And so I started studyingshamanic practices, shamanic
journeying and going into thatplace, using the drum to help me
move my brain from the classicwhether it's beta, that
high-thinking brain into thealpha theta, so learning how to
push my brain into that placethrough the shamanic journey or
meditation.
And I started to access theseother places in between the

(08:19):
worlds and it was like wow, thisis really incredible.
And this was around, you know,I guess the 90s into the early
2000s and around that same timeI was also starting to work with
animals and as part of mytraining, I was out at an animal
shelter in Wisconsin and I wasfinishing up my time working

(08:42):
with a dog and I was the onlyone left in the Humane Society
and I was walking out and Iheard this voice say help.
I looked around and there wasnobody there except a beagle,
and I'm like, okay, I haveofficially lost my mind.

(09:04):
So I walked out to the car.
It's like what else am I goingto do besides call my sister?
You can only call a familymember when you think you're
hearing voices, right, yeah?
So I called my sister and Isaid I think I've lost my mind.
I'm hearing voices, and westarted talking about it.
She said now you're fine, she'solder and and she's had some

(09:24):
psychic experiences as well.
She said no, no, no, youhaven't lost your mind, you're.
You're just really open.
You need to learn how to turnit on and turn it off.
So I turned it off because Ithought, well, this is too scary
.
Yeah, got my grandmother and myfather showing up, I've got
seeing people in my journeys andthings are coming through.

(09:49):
So I turned it off for a littlewhile and it wasn't long before
I started hearing more things.
And when I say hearing morethings, my dog started to talk
to me.
So another time I was just, Iwas coming out of a nap and I
heard my dog say her name wasJava, and I heard Java say I'm

(10:12):
scared and I thought, okay, whatdo I do with that?
I suppose I could ask her.
So I did.
I asked her what she was afraidof and then I started hearing
messages back and then I startedworking with this ability that
we all innately have and startedto really work with this

(10:35):
ability of going into that thetastate where we can access that
radio station that everybody'scommunicating on all the time.
So that was the beginning, andfrom there then I started to
have people call me and ask if Icould do journeys for them, if
I could work with their animals,if I could journey on behalf of

(10:55):
their dead Aunt, nancy orwhomever.
And this was through theshamanic journeying process.
And from there then it becameit's what I've been doing for
the last 25 years as a part ofmy business.
So we have great dinnerconversations at our house.

Lauren (11:16):
I'm sure you do.
I'm coming over.
Yeah, Between you, and so doyou have a different dog now,
the way you spoke about it, I doyeah.

Sage (11:27):
Reggae is our.
Our dog Java passed away and uh.
I was able to support herthrough end of life and she had
a natural death, died in my armsin 2013,.
And uh had an incredibleexperience through her aging and
end of life and her transitionand she still comes to me.
And our current dog is Reggaeand he'll be 10 next month and

(11:52):
he's very much a communicator.
He communicates in a differentway than Java did, but Reggae is
the only one who has thecomplete, 100% ability to
connect to me whenever he feelslike it.
Like I don't keep the radiostation open all the time,
otherwise I'd be talking to lotsof beings yeah so he's he

(12:16):
always passed the blockade.

Frank (12:17):
He did.

Lauren (12:18):
He has an open dialogue with you.
Backstage pass, backstage passthat's funny oh my gosh, what.
What a cool story.

Frank (12:30):
Thank you for sharing asking the question yeah when
you were younger, was there anyinclination that you had these
types of abilities?

Sage (12:41):
my?
Um, I don't know for sure.
What I can tell you is when Iwas about four.
I mean, I can remember memoriesas far back as two, but when I
was about four I remember lyingon the grass and from this area,
from Madison, wisconsin area, Iremember lying in the grass in
the summertime and looking up atthe stars and just feeling like

(13:05):
that's where I was from, wow,Like having this connection with
the stars.
That now, as a, as a 57 yearold, it's like, wow, that was
really profound for a four yearold to feel like there's home.
Home is in the stars.
And I remember being a littlefascinated by the stars and
thinking, like the, that therewas this astrodome over the

(13:28):
planet, there was this blackthing, and then there were all
these points of light that werecoming through that's.
So I think on some level at agefour, I had had some ability to
imagine and travel.
Um, when I was really little Idon't remember anything, you

(13:52):
know from then on, but I doremember my mom going to see a
psychic when my sister and Iwere five and seven and the
psychic didn't meet us.
But she said you have twopsychic daughters and she only
has two daughters, so that wouldbe my sister and I.

Lauren (14:07):
Yeah, have you since had any kind of regression or
reading that would indicate thatyou're like a starseed or
something like that?
I have.

Sage (14:20):
I've actually had in my own journeying.
I did a five day workshop withone of my teachers who's since
crossed over, hank Wesselman,and when I was about 17 years
ago we did a journey.
I was at a retreat for fivedays and one of the journeys we

(14:40):
did was to journey to a star andfind out what you could about
that star and if you had anyrelations to that star and I'm
happy to share that story withyou if it's something that would
that's interesting, that wouldwork.
It was a life changing momentfor me because I, up until that

(15:00):
time, I always felt like I wasreally sensitive.
I was told I was overlysensitive.
I've been told that my lightshines too bright.
Turn it down a little bit.
I'm like I can't Look at myshirt.
I got this lightning bug on myshirt.
I can't turn it down.

(15:21):
So I do this journey to thestar.
And now, if we back up to beingthis four-year-old ever since I
was little I have known whereSirius is.
I know where Orion is, I knowwhere Sirius is.
It's like, if you tell me whereSirius is, I'm going to point.
It's right there.

Frank (15:39):
Like intuitively, or did you?

Sage (15:41):
I just know in my bones.
Wow, and then I also, like myhead just goes there.
It's like that's home.

Frank (15:46):
Wow.

Sage (15:48):
Ever since I was little, and there's just this feeling or
this sense or knowing, and Ididn't know anything about star
seeds.
So then I go and I do thisjourney, journey to a star.
The first thing I see is thisblue and green kind of ball of
gas moving, and I see myself onthe back of a whale, and I see a
whale, and I see a dolphin, andI see, I hear the words you're

(16:12):
the granddaughter of this star.
And then I see Sirius, and thenI, and then I hear the word
Scion.

Frank (16:21):
Scion.

Sage (16:22):
Yeah, so I.
So that was it.
I come out of the journeyEverybody in the group's sharing
.
There's like 40 people in thisclass that are sharing and I'm
just sitting there quietlybecause everybody's journeys
were like super expansive andthere were lots of things to
talk about.
I was like, well, mine wassuper simple, so I waited until
everybody left and at the end ofpeople speaking, Hank began to

(16:49):
talk and he said well, there'sthis belief that the Dogon
people now, I hadn't saidanything to him yet or anyone he
said there's this belief thatthe Dogon people of Africa
believe that the star beingscame on the backs of whales and
dolphins and they came throughthe stars on the backs of whales
and dolphins, and they camethrough the stars on the backs
of whales and dolphins, and allof the star beings came to us in

(17:12):
double stars made of twodifferent colors.
And my hairs are standing upright now because it's like oh,
wow, I finally realized where Icame from Came on the backs of
whales and dolphins, thesedouble colored stars and they're
often overly sensitive told.
They're overly sensitive, theycan't watch the news, they can't
deal with violence, blah, blah,blah.

(17:33):
So, I hear all of this.
Everybody leaves the class.
I go up to him at the end ofthe class.
I'm like, uh, I need to run myjourney past you.
So I shared the journey.
He was shuffling through papers.
He looked up and he said I'vebeen waiting for you.

Lauren (17:53):
Ooh, I just got chills, same as you.

Sage (17:56):
Yeah, he said I have been.
He was an anthropologist.
He said I have been looking forsomebody who's had a direct
experience that justifies orvalidates what I've learned
through my studies in archeology.
And so we talked about Scionand he said, and I said it feels

(18:16):
like it's like Scion, like thecar, and he said, well, maybe
it's spelled differently.
So one of the things I did is Iwent and Googled what are the
stars that are near Sirius?

Lauren (18:26):
Yeah.

Sage (18:27):
The star that's right next to sirius is procyon what right
.
So we've got sirius is the dogstar procyon is before the dog
and it is a blue and greendouble star, and so I know
exactly where I'm from.
What?
Yeah, I know.

(18:48):
Crazy, huh, that's amazing.

Frank (18:51):
So how did that?
How did that link up with hisresearch?
What was he waiting forspecifically?

Sage (18:56):
He was waiting to hear somebody to have this actual
experience of riding the backsof the whales and the dolphins.
Nobody in the circle had saidanything about going on the
backs of the whales and thedolphins.
Nobody in the circle had saidanything about going on the
backs of the whales and thedolphins.
And I said I was a grandmother,I was the granddaughter of this
star and this double star, andhe hadn't had anybody have that

(19:24):
experience yet.
Wow, that's so cool and I've hada connection with whales my
whole life.
It was on my bucket list to seea killer whale since I was like
seven.

Frank (19:34):
Did you get to one?

Sage (19:35):
Yeah, I did.

Frank (19:36):
Oh man, that's got to be such a trippy experience.

Sage (19:39):
Yeah, yeah, and I have such an affinity for you know,
when we were living inCalifornia, getting out on the
water and being with thehumpbacks and saw a blue whale,
I mean yeah.

Frank (19:52):
Lauren loves a good whale .
I love, yeah, oh yeah, if shesees whales anywhere, she freaks
out and dolphins and dolphinstoo.

Lauren (20:00):
I always look in the ocean, for I call them teams of
dolphins.

Frank (20:03):
Yeah, we we renamed the pod teams.
Over here, dolphins travel inteams for some reason?

Lauren (20:10):
Um wait, can you explain a little bit more about
arriving on the backs of whales,like what do you mean by that?

Sage (20:20):
Yeah, maybe I can.
Uh, what I can tell you in myjourney I was was there's a
connection between the whalesand the stars, and the dolphins
and the stars, and so there's ain my journey.
It was like I came down to theplanet like riding the bat,
riding on a whale, like whalerider, that I came from the

(20:43):
stars riding a whale and maybeat some point I was a whale and
then embodied into a human being.
Yeah, I don't know how it works.
I mean, it's like I don't knowhow it works.
It's probably the same as youhaving an affinity for whales
and dolphins and maybe you havebeen looking up at the stars
your whole life and you knowthat you're a starseed and

(21:07):
there's this connection.
One of the things that thewhales have told me is that they
are they are a direct link tothe stars and the stars.
There's a direct communicationbetween the whales and the stars
and I know that the whalesnavigate their path based on,
they orient to the stars right,but they're messengers also that

(21:31):
they directly send messagesfrom earth back to the stars and
then the stars back to thewhales I do deep dives that I
often don't talk about on theshow, just into certain topics
and stuff.

Frank (21:42):
But I have run into but I haven't talked to anybody about
it about the concept of umwhales being earth's historians.
Have I talked to you about thatline?

Lauren (21:52):
no, yeah, it's supposed to be like a thing.

Frank (21:55):
You'd probably know more about it.

Sage (21:56):
Well, you just told me about it in a way that I haven't
heard before so it just itvalidates what your experience
is, then, too frank, and it'snot something that I've talked
about much, so it's, you know,isn't that cool.
We've had the same experiencein some way, whether it's come
through intuitively or a senseor a knowing.
Yeah, yeah I don't.

Frank (22:19):
That kind of thing also just feels right for some way.
I mean there's no, there's noanimal like a whale, and they've
been around for how long?
Like yeah, it's, that's sospecial, that's so cool.

Lauren (22:31):
I love that yeah.

Frank (22:33):
Okay, I guess I have to transition to back on earth for
a second.
Fine, so after your, your NDE,was there an immediate so you,
immediately you, had thatexperience where you were seeing
yourself.
What was your initial reactionto going through this experience
?
Because you said, maybe it wasa little uncomfortable for you.

(22:55):
Obviously, dying isn'tcomfortable, but I mean like the
new sensations and newabilities that you were tapping
into.

Sage (23:01):
Yeah, I mean the moment where I had the near-death
experience.
It was very peaceful.
It was a little bit confusingand it's one of many that I
would then have after that.
So that was the first and I'vehad others since and in every
near-death experience that I'vehad they've all been very
peaceful, almost like a feelingof not wanting to go back, like

(23:28):
into your body.
There wasn't really thatfeeling.
I I know that some people havehad that feeling of like oh, I
don't want to go back, and whatI feel like I had, more than
anything, was like touching.
Touching that feeling of like,wow, this feels so amazing, it
feels so blissful yeah and um,and then also recognizing that

(23:51):
I'm very much here on the planetyeah right, rather than wishing
and wanting and hoping to besomewhere else, it's like, okay,
well, I'm embodied and whatcoming?
You know all the things thatcome with being embodied the
feelings and the hunger and allof that.
And then also touching thisplace of like oh wow, here's
this blissful feeling ofcomplete and utter letting go,

(24:16):
yeah, wow.
And so from that first neardeath experience, to answer your
question yes, my abilitiesopened up from there and that's
where I began my shamanicpractices was about a year after
the car accident.

Frank (24:32):
It is funny because like to comment on you saying like
the feelings of being here andso much we talk about, like
spiritual, sorry, toxicspirituality, sometimes on the
show, spirituality sometimes onthe show and like so much of
modern spirituality is is a formof escapism as opposed to an
acknowledgement that we are herefor like some divine purpose

(24:54):
and and that we're trying toexecute and like this is part of
the fun yeah, like we're nottrying to get out of here, like
the.
The hunger and the pain.
It's all part of the fun.
It's part of the the journey.
It's not fun all the time, butit's part of it.
It's all part of the fun.
It's part of the journey.
It's not fun all the time, butit's part of it.

Lauren (25:08):
It's literally part of the human experience.

Frank (25:12):
Yeah, that we chose.
Yeah, it's on purpose.
Let me ask you really quick youmentioned that the car accident
was your first NDE.
Are you jumping out of planeswithout parachutes a lot or
what's going on Are?

Sage (25:25):
you jumping out of planes without parachutes a lot, or
what's going on?
No, but I did just hear in mymeditation, uh, a wonderful
quote by Trimpa Rumpashe thatthe bad news is there's no
parachute, but the good news isthere's no ground.
I really love that and thathelps me like rest in that place

(25:47):
of nothingness.

Frank (25:48):
Yeah.

Sage (25:49):
No, I'm not jumping out of planes, but I've had a couple
of experiences in vehicles Wow,sliding on the ice and spinning
in circles down the highway andall of a sudden, magically, like
everybody else, just disappears.
And I don't wrap my car arounda pole, I just like slowly spin

(26:09):
in a circle and it's like timestopped.
And then I kept going so wellum wow, so hold on.

Frank (26:19):
You're, you're like you're.
You loved astral travel at anyopportunity that is well I did.

Sage (26:29):
I would not highly recommend like doing that on
purpose in a vehicle, I meanyeah, talking is winter, winter
roads in the midwest, but um,yeah, I'm aware that that's
happened twice, that's sointeresting and this very slow
360 with the vehicle and I letgo, instead of the tendency to
grab on and start changing, youknow, controlling what the car

(26:53):
is doing I let go and I prayed.
I had another incident.
I mean I can laugh now, but itwas so scary.
I was driving down a highway inArizona and I was going I don't
even know where a grocery storeor something.
I was driving my mother's carand I had gone to visit her.
It was a full moon Drivingbehind a pickup truck and all of

(27:16):
a sudden a refrigerator comesflying off the back of his
pickup truck and I had aboutfive seconds to make a decision.
So the first thing I did is Iprayed, I just prayed, and then
I thought in my mind, if I duckthe refrigerator, you know, if I

(27:41):
can get down low enough, therefrigerator can go above me.
And what I ended up doing was Iprayed and I pulled.
You know, I was going down thehighway, so I got off the road
as fast as I could to get intothe where the merge lane was hit
the brakes, I ended up hittingsomebody, but the refrigerator
stopped right in front of thecar.
I mean like two inches in frontof the car.
Wow, um like, how does thathappen?

(28:01):
No, that's a refrigeratorflying down the highway.
That's ridiculous.
It's not what you're lookingfor, yeah none of your listeners
are going to want to get in acar with me now.

Frank (28:10):
I'm actually a really good driver refrigerators are
notorious for not using theirturn lights, so that's fine, I
do love that you have like avehicle behind you.

Lauren (28:23):
She has, if you're just listening, she has a vw bus.
Yeah, behind her.
It's really cool.
But yeah, vehicles and sage,maybe the two things dangerous
combo.

Sage (28:38):
Well, and that that word, the vehicle, you know the maybe
the vehicle is the vehicle forhaving was in the past.
This hasn't, these near-deathexperiences haven't happened for
ages, but maybe those were thevehicle for me to literally move
into this place of expanding myconsciousness.

Frank (28:57):
Right.

Sage (28:58):
I never thought of it that way.

Frank (29:00):
Man, that's so cool.
Let me ask you so then you gotinto shamanic practices.
You mentioned journeys a fewtimes.
Can you describe what ashamanic journey is like?

Sage (29:14):
Yeah, for me it's a lot like a dream.
So when we go into a deep dreamstate we're in that theta
brainwave state, and when we'rein meditation we're in a deep
theta state.
With the shamanic journey, thedrum if the drum is hit at seven

(29:35):
beats per second or roughly uhyeah, about seven beats per
second, about 120 beats minuteit pushes the brain into the
theta state.
Oh, wow.
And and when you can, when youcan listen to a drum or a rattle

(29:57):
in a quicker pace, it willactually push the brain into
that theta state.
And so if we move into thattheta state, then we can access
these places that are what wecall in between the worlds,
going into non-ordinary reality.
So in the shamanic journeydepending on who the teachers
are, where you've learned like Istarted learning with core

(30:18):
shamanism that there might be alower world, a middle world, an
upper world where you can accessthe animal world, this plane
that we live on here, or theangelic realm, and just going,
listening to the sound of thedrum or the rattle can push you
into maybe seeing visions orfeeling sensations in the body,

(30:42):
to access this what we wouldcall non-ordinary reality, and
it's all done, just with thedrum, it's, it's.
It's nothing other thanbreathing and listening to a
drum.

Frank (30:52):
Is that drum tuned to a frequency, or is it just the
drum itself?

Sage (30:58):
No, you could tap your pen .
You could just tap your pen 120beats a minute.

Lauren (31:04):
I've never heard no one's described that, so thank
you, because I've heard peopletalk about like drumming and in
like a meditative way or or inshamanic practices, and that's
so specific, the like sevenbeats per second it is and know
I just thought of this.

Sage (31:25):
I did an album.
I created an album in 2019called Jungle Jaguar Drum
Journey Experience, and so I'llsend it along and you can make
sure it's in the show notes, orhowever you do it, yeah, please.
Yeah.

Frank (31:40):
So that's cool.
So now can you explain a littlebit more what the theta
brainwave is exactly?
Because I play with binauralbeats all the time and I see all
the different brainwaves, I'mlike I just don't really know
what I should be going for rightnow, depending on what I'm
trying to achieve, you know.
Yeah, it depends on what you'retrying to achieve.

Sage (31:59):
So the alpha brainwave, for the best of what I
understand.
I'll explain the best I can.
Alpha is that daydreaming state.
It's why we could be drivingdown the highway and all of a
sudden we miss our exit becausewe're thinking about something
else.
We're in that daydreaming state.
When we scroll on our devices,it puts us into alpha.
When we watch television, we gointo alpha.

(32:20):
So it's that kind ofdaydreaming.
So it's that kind ofdaydreaming.
Beta is doing math problemsgetting your taxes done.
So that high cognitive placethat is so uncomfortable for me
to go to.

Frank (32:39):
That's a terrible place for me.
Apparently, I'm very bad atbeta, so the second you said
math, I'm like I don't have'thave better beta.

Sage (32:44):
that's fine uh, the theta, like I mentioned, is that place
that we go, that where we canaccess in between the worlds so
it slows down the brain waves alittle bit.
I'm guessing they're a littlebit slower than the beta.
Beta seems like things would befiring faster to be able to
answer a math problem.
Theta is the place that we oh,here's what I can tell you about

(33:07):
theta mother earth resonates atthe same hertz as theta.

Frank (33:16):
Oh, well, that sounds like.

Sage (33:17):
That's why when we go into nature, we can access that
intuitive nature.
So, taking a a walk in nature,all of a sudden it's like wow, I
just heard, you know, somebodytalk from the other side, or we
might notice a sign or a symbolcoming from someone, and so it's

(33:41):
mother earth resonates at thesame Hertz.
There's a Hertz that Thetaresonates at the same Hertz.
There's a Hertz that, uh, thetaresonates at and it's the same
as mother earth, which is whatthe drum beat um coincides with
is the Hertz of mother, mothernature.
And then the Delta brainwave iswhere we go in deep sleep.
So it's a really slow brainwaveand the ideal is to be kind of

(34:07):
living in an alpha theta state,which is a relaxed, awakened
state so you can drive a car andcook food and do you know
earthly things.
You don't want to live in Thetabecause you'd be a little bit
in La La Land.

Frank (34:22):
Right, I know a few of those.

Lauren (34:25):
Oh, that just makes sense, though, cause I would do.
I haven't.
I haven't taken one of my likelong nature walks.
We live by some a big mountainand when I was like really tuned
in, I'd see like a deer and I'dbe like it's a, it's a sign
from yeah, your walks weren'timportant to you yeah, I was

(34:47):
also.
There was like this period oftime, I don't know why.
I had this conversation with mybrother about like I was like I
saw a tarantula and I'm likeI've never seen one.
And then I saw, every singletime I would take this walk, I
would see a tarantula.
It was like cause he was likeI've never seen one in nature
and it kept happening and I waslike at the beginning of this

(35:12):
spiritual journey.
So I was like it's this,there's something to this.
I don't know what it is, butyeah, I was like it's this,
there's something to this.
I don't know what it is, butyeah, I was like I get these,
like I'll see a deer, I'll see atarantula you kept running
across a tarantula, which is itwas really bizarre.

Frank (35:27):
Yeah, I've lived out my whole life.
I've seen a tarantula in thewild like twice total, and
you're catching one every week.

Lauren (35:31):
It was yeah, yeah, every every few days was like five
times or six times in a row.

Frank (35:37):
Yeah.

Sage (35:37):
Yeah, so there's some medicine for you there in the
tarantula medicine.

Frank (35:41):
Yeah, Wait, what is tarantula medicine?

Sage (35:44):
I don't know what tarantula medicine means, but
it's worth, uh, it's worthexploring you can journey on it
and and uh, bring it into yourdreams.
Dream, practice and ask why istarantula showing up?

Lauren (35:56):
How fun is that?
Yeah, that is fun.
I was, I was look, I think ithad to do with like I was
looking up like the spiritualmeaning.
I think it had to do with likebeing on the right path or
something, something.
Something like that, where Iwas like, okay, this is kind of
confirming.
It's like a year ago, so wewere just starting all of this

(36:17):
and yeah, but so interesting,and now I want to, it makes me
want to go back into nature andthat's where the magic is yeah,
yeah yeah, truly I want to.
I want to ask some questionsabout communicating with animals
.
Sure, sure.
So when you first heard thatbeagle, was it outside of your

(36:40):
ear or inside your head?

Sage (36:43):
Here's what happens when I hear somebody speak to me.
That isn't like the beaglewasn't formulating his lips to
say the word help out of hislips, right?
So it's like it hits me in theback of the head oh, lips.
So it's like it hits me in theback of the head If I had to put
a place on my body where I hearthings.

Lauren (37:04):
It's like whoa, where'd that come from?
Oh, that's so interesting.

Sage (37:09):
So it came from outside of me, hit me in the back of the
head, and then I noticed it andlooked around like okay, well,
where's the person that justsaid that?
And there was no person around.
So I looked down and there wasa beagle and I was like what,
how is that possible?
And again, this was 25 yearsago Now.

(37:29):
It's like, well, of course thebeagle's going to talk to me,
because the beagle knows I canhear him, right, I can hear them
, yeah, right.

Frank (37:35):
We've heard that before.
I think it was from CarolynSwift.
She was talking about when youreceive stuff.
She was talking about it's notyour ear, it's like behind your
ear.

Lauren (37:44):
Yeah.

Frank (37:45):
Like she was specifying where, like certain things can
come through.

Lauren (37:48):
That's area like right at the base of your.

Frank (37:51):
And I'm sure it's more of a sensation than it is like a
yeah, that's really interesting.

Sage (37:56):
Yeah, it feels like getting wept in the back of the
head, like, oh, somebody'ssaying something.
And then I also, when I connectwith animals and people, I do
medical, intuitive work.
So I'm not a doctor but I playone.
Anyway, when people call formaybe a medical question that

(38:21):
it's possible a vet may not beable to figure out, I asked the
animal how are you feeling?
What's going on, what can youtell me and show me?
And I feel what the animal'sfeeling.
And because I'm not a vet andI'm not a doctor, I can't
diagnose or prescribe anything.
But I can say okay, well, thedog has a pain below its right
rib that's radiating up to theleft shoulder and causing them

(38:45):
to have this response.
And so I feel in my physicalbody what an animal, or
sometimes people will call forhuman, medical, intuitive work,
and so I feel what they'refeeling just for a moment.

Lauren (39:01):
You use your own body as a map.
Yeah, exactly, I learned like abit of that in like a Reiki
energy healing mentorship.

Sage (39:11):
And the animals and the people will come through however
they can.
So there might be a word, or itmay be a sensation, or a color,
or a feeling, or a sense or aknowing.
Do you ever?

Lauren (39:26):
just say it does the I'm so excited.

Frank (39:33):
I don't know where this is going.

Lauren (39:34):
I love this.
Is it your voice, or is it likea puppy voice?
Oh my God.

Frank (39:46):
You think she's out there hearing Scrappy-Doo?

Lauren (39:48):
Let me at him.

Sage (39:52):
That's a good question, like what is the voice?
I mean, I've had people ask ifI'm talking to a dog in Spain.
Do they speak Spanish?

Frank (40:01):
Only the Cocker Spaniels.

Sage (40:02):
Right, sometimes they sound.
They sound different than me,but they don't sound like
Scooby-Doo.
But you know what?
I haven't talked scooby-doo.
I should try that.
Yeah, only scooby-doo soundslike scooby-doo.

(40:23):
Yeah, so each animal has theirown, uh, I would say a sensation
of their voice.

Lauren (40:30):
Okay, like an energy we do a very specific voice for our
dog, and that would just befunny to think if he actually
spoke like that.
Oh my God, I know.
Okay, I'm sorry, it was aridiculous question.

Frank (40:49):
What's the aside from like?
So it sounds like everythingwe've we've talked about so far.
When you talk to animals, it'sthem like needing something or
or wanting to give you a messageof some kind.
What's like the mostinteresting or most like
profound thing you've ever heardfrom an, from an animal Like?
What's the lesson that like theanimal community could teach us

(41:11):
if that was a thing?

Sage (41:14):
You know it's a great.
I love that question, Frank,and.
And you know that it's a great.
I love that question, frank andand?
Um, you know, what I have to dois go back into my, my thinking
mind, that beta to like thinkthrough some of these sessions.
But something happened lastweek with our own dog, reggae,
at the beginning of meditation.
He was a pandemic dog.

(41:36):
Well, we got him long beforethe pandemic, but during the
pandemic he was a therapy dog atjuvenile detention with me.
So he and I would go intojuvenile detention as a therapy
team and we'd work with the kids.

Frank (41:53):
That's amazing.

Sage (41:54):
But during the pandemic, we got on Zoom with the kids and
so he learned.
Regé learned that.
The pandemic, we got on zoomwith the kids and so he learned.
Reggae learned to that thelaptop was a way to connect with
people.
Oh my gosh, and it's shocking.
I mean, it's even now.
He does yoga with me.
I open my laptop, he comesrunning.
He sits on the yoga mat.
He's like waiting for the ladyto show up on the yoga.
No way on the laptop, and sothis meditation sangha that

(42:19):
we're a part of, my husband andI, we go in the mornings and
Regé will get in front of thelaptop before the meditation
starts.
And just last week and to methis is profound Just last week,
we were all sitting, we'reready to start our meditation,
and the leader rang the bell andRegé said that's not necessary.

(42:44):
And what I love about that ishe's exactly right as human
beings it's like, and now wewill pay attention.
Yeah, yeah, yeah then we aredone paying attention that's
hilarious, but there you knowwhat.

Frank (43:04):
That is somewhat profound because, like the amount of
stuff that we do, yeah, to tryand connect, and how much of it
is like, um, what do you call itlike performative?
That that isn't necessary when,like you know, you're telling
us that connecting to the worldand to spirit is as simple as
stepping outside of your doorand going into nature.
We don't need all theperformative stuff For a dog,

(43:27):
just to lay it out like that.
Of course it's a dog.

Sage (43:29):
That would say that Right, that's not necessary.
So if we look at all of thethings that aren't necessary,
like Joseph Goldstein, one ofthe teachers that I follow, he
says is it useful?
Yeah, and it's a very similarkind of you know, if we're
having an argument, is thatreally necessary?

Frank (43:49):
Yeah, especially for it to be like a chime.
A chime to get you into thezone.
Yeah, isn't that called aPavlov response?
Aavlov response a dog leave itto the dog can we not?

Lauren (44:05):
oh, that's, that's great .
Um, what do do you get likeinformation I'm so curious about
, about animals and like pastlives with animals specifically,
where because sometimes we'lllike look at our dog and we're
like, you're like a little human, like you're so emotional, and

(44:29):
we frankly have theseconversations sometimes where
we're like, do you think thereward of like lives well lived
as a human is to be like a veryhappy dog in a happy home, like
that's your, you know that'syour next life, or do you evolve

(44:49):
and like I'm going to be a dogthis time?
Have you gotten any like littlebits of I don't know soul
information?

Sage (44:58):
Yeah, I mean, one of the things I learned early in my
learning about animalcommunication is that animals
who come through really clearlywere often a human in a past
life, Really.
And I have had clients workingwith their animals who have
asked me to go into past liveswith the animals and let's take
a look back.
Sometimes they're wild animals.

(45:20):
I've I've worked with a numberof cats that are big cats, you
know, domesticated, you knowthey're like lions and Panthers
and they're in a domesticatedcat's body and they don't want
to be picked up, they don't wantto be coddled.
They're like are you kidding me?
I'm, I'm a lion.

Frank (45:35):
I'm fierce yeah.

Sage (45:36):
Yeah.

Frank (45:36):
That makes too much sense .
I have about a dozen scars thatsay that's true.

Lauren (45:41):
Yeah, we had three cats, for like.
One of them lived till she was20.
So Wow.
Yeah.

Sage (45:49):
Yeah, so, yes, yeah, makes sense.
There is a.
I believe that that, uh,animals have it all together
they know how to live and theyknow how to die, they know how
to let go, they know how to moveon, um, and they're they're
incredible teachers.

Frank (46:10):
And they're natural.
The thing I always note aboutanimals and the wisdom you can
pick up from animals is,specifically, they know how to
integrate with their environment, which is something that we are
so bad at.
We're always working againstour environments and stuff like
that like they, even somethingas simple as we don't wear
clothes.
It's like they're.

(46:30):
They're part of our, of our.
They're showing us what it'slike to be sustainable
absolutely and like that's ahuge lesson that we can pick up.

Sage (46:40):
To live simply and to let go.

Frank (46:42):
And that there's.
As soon as you do that there isplenty out there.
You go to some of theseenvironments and you're like you
know, oh, if I don't have awater bottle and all this stuff,
like I'm dead in 24 hours.
And you're like but there's arabbit.
But there's a rabbit who?

Sage (47:04):
I guess is more capable than I am.
Who isn't carrying their theirwater bottle in their fanny pack
?

Frank (47:11):
yeah it's that's.
There's something there,there's something there.

Lauren (47:16):
So you said that you, you still do hospice work, or
like you work with hospicepatients.
I've heard so much that whensomeone is, you know, near death
, the veil gets thinner.
The veil gets thinner Like areyou, do you work as?

(47:41):
Like, is it like death doulatype work, or kind of just
coaching them, like your lovedones are just waiting for you,
like, what do you do in thatspace?
That's a good question.

Sage (47:53):
Sorry, do I do so?
Yes, I have actually beentrained as a death doula, for
both people and animals.
Um, the biggest training is onthe job training, yeah, and but
with I have been witness to anumber of deaths of both people
and animals, and because of my Iwould say, because of my

(48:18):
spiritual practices and how Ilive my life, when I'm, uh,
connected with somebody who Iknow they're getting closer to
transition, then I can feel, Ican feel things letting go.
Um, I might see symbols orsigns, like last week I had a
friend whose mother was nearingtransition and a bald eagle flew

(48:40):
in front of my car and then Isaw a flock of birds move
through and I could just feelthat she was starting to let go.
So, to answer your question, Ifeel like I work on a number of
different levels.
When clients hire me, I onlywork between the worlds when

(49:02):
people are hiring me to do it,so I don't get into messing with
the natural occurrence ofthings.
Yeah, and I don't do readingsunless somebody has actually
asked me to do a reading, so Iwon't offer a reading like here.
Let me do this for you, yeah,so, although the eagle was

(49:23):
flying through and the birdswere flying through.
I told my friend that that hadhappened and then I let it go.
I'm not working.
I'm not working behind thescenes.
If somebody hires me to holdspace, like, let's say, there's
an animal who is going to beeuthanized, is going to be

(49:46):
euthanized, and maybe I've donework with them animal
communication to support themthrough their aging and letting
them know that the end of theirlife is nearing, and here's what
that looks like and here's whateuthanasia is.
And so I I work with throughthat process and then I also
work through the euthanasia.
If the client has hired me todo that so I would let the

(50:06):
animal know.
Then I hold space for themduring the euthanasia, then I
support that animal in helpingthem to release their spirit
fully so that it can transitionon to the other side, and then
the client often does afollow-up session after
afterwards oh, wow you know, atany given time I might have a

(50:29):
hospice.
When I say a hospice client,it's an animal, that's um, it's
usually animals that are at theend of their life and people are
walking that line between anatural death and euthanasia.

Lauren (50:42):
Yeah, because that's a really tough time.
It's a really tough decision tomake for a pet owner.

Frank (50:52):
It's the worst decision.
It's awful.
I've had experiences in my lifewhere having to say goodbye to
my human relatives has beeneasier than having to make the
decision to call it for my pets.
It's so hard and like forpeople that don't have a, like

(51:14):
an animal death doula or someoneto help with the transition.
Like what, what could you sayto those people to make it
easier or to, even if they don'thave the deep intuitive ability
that you have, like, how canthey be there for their pets
during the most difficult time?

Sage (51:31):
One of the gifts that I learned a while back from a
teacher of mine was to write aletter to the animals, something
that anybody can do.
That anybody can do.
I worked with a young personthis morning and encouraged them
to write a letter to theirbeloved animal and then write a
letter back from them.

(51:52):
What would they say if theycould talk right?
Why?

Lauren (51:57):
is this making me emotional?
Because it's hard.

Sage (52:01):
We've had to put down a lot of beloved pets in the past
couple years, and every one ofthem was hard it's a really
sweet way of making thatconnection and anybody can do it
to write a letter, or, if theif it's a young child, the child
can even speak to the animal.
What do you want to say to theanimal and what do you think

(52:22):
this animal would say back toyou?
I feel like it's reallyimportant for us to honor the
lives that we've spent time with, to honor lives and to honor
them in the best way that we canpossible, and one of my goals

(52:42):
personally is to keep expandingas a human being and to offer
different possibilities forexpansion to people.
It's like well, here's what'spossible.
Your animals can hear you, sowhy not talk to them?
out loud, like you would topeople and let them know how
much you love them, how much youcare for them, how much you're

(53:02):
going to miss them when theymove on, and also that you can
do this work even after they'vepassed.
So it's never too late to writethe letter to them or from them
or too, early, that's nice.

Lauren (53:18):
That got me.

Sage (53:22):
You're welcome.

Lauren (53:23):
I'm super emotional.
I'm a c crier, so sometimessomething just hits me.
Thank you for being willing togrieve thank you, celebrate,
thank you yeah, thank you for II I usually say like I'm sorry
and I was like don't do it,don't apologize, it's a gift

(53:44):
Working on that.

Frank (53:48):
So for our animals that aren't at the end of their lives
, is there like a frequentmessage that comes through Like
how can we better treat ourdomestic babies here?

Sage (53:57):
Well, it's, you know it's how can we treat everybody.
I think it comes back to loveand kindness.

Frank (54:02):
Yeah.

Sage (54:02):
And that's different for everybody what that means On a
really practical level with theanimals.
If we can make sure to addressas best as possible any pain or
anxiety, those are the firstplaces to go.
But really it's kind of whatour moms and dads taught us
Treat unto others how you wantto be treated.

(54:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, and really recognize that
these domesticated animals are agift to us.
They are incredible, incredibleteachers, and so offering them
as much freedom as possible, asmuch love and care and kindness

(54:46):
as possible, and keeping thempain-free and anxiety-free,
explaining things to them, canreally do a lot for anxiety.
And then regular care.

Frank (54:56):
I was just about to ask you what's the, what's the,
what's the normal or whatcommonly causes, like animals,
anxiety.

Sage (55:03):
Not knowing.

Frank (55:04):
Yeah.

Sage (55:05):
When they don't understand .

Lauren (55:08):
That's something you just don't think about.
Sometimes, just explainingsomething to your dog, you know,
yeah, we used to do that withour daughter when she was
younger, when she was a toddler.
We'd be like because we feltthat it helped her anxiety.
We'd be like we're going to dothis, and then we're going to do

(55:29):
this, and then we're going todo this or whatever, and then
when we're done we're going toleave.
Okay, and it was always this,like we're going to lay it out
for you and that's so.
I mean, why wouldn't you dothat?
People say that dogs have thesame intelligence as like a
toddler.
I mean, why wouldn't you dothat?
People say the dogs have thesame intelligence as like a
toddler, so why wouldn't you dothat for them?

(55:49):
Right?

Sage (55:50):
absolutely.
That's really some people don'tthink of it right right so it's
.
You know.
My encouragement is to havelisteners be willing to
communicate more more fully withtheir animals, just verbally,
and trusting that the animalsare picking up on the pictures
that we automatically create inour brains.
So, explaining to them whereyou're going, what you're doing,

(56:14):
when you're going to be home,yeah, sometimes, why are you
leaving when?
Why can't they go along?
So like, for example, when I goon trips and I don't take
reggae with me.
I explained to him here's whyyou're staying home, and I
always make being home so muchbetter than going with me.
It's like, dude, if you had toget in an airplane in a crate
and go underneath and it's coldand you'd hate it.

(56:35):
And he's like I'm out, I'mstaying home.

Frank (56:37):
That's such a good point.
There's almost always a goodreason when you're not taking
them.

Lauren (56:43):
Yeah, yeah, theodore would hate a plane ride.

Frank (56:46):
Oh, it would be his nightmare.

Sage (56:48):
Yeah, but explaining that to him yeah.

Frank (56:51):
Yeah, yeah, you touched on something just now.
I was going to ask you.
You know, people always talkabout having like a there's a
pet human connection where, likeyour pets tend to almost
reflect your own demeanor in acertain way, and for better or
worse.
And you're you know I don'tthink it's a coincidence that we

(57:13):
have an anxious dog.
I have issues.
So, like is and you're you'retalking about.
You said that um, like is andyou're you're talking about.
You said that um youcommunicating through like
pictures and images, is is, isour little dude just picking up
on all my anxieties and fearsand like doesn't know how to
process them as much as I don't?

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Is that a thing?

Sage (57:35):
Do you want me to ask him?

Frank (57:38):
Do you want to ask him?

Lauren (57:39):
Yeah.

Frank (57:41):
Is that okay?

Sage (57:42):
Yeah.

Frank (57:42):
Yeah.

Sage (57:42):
That's great.

Lauren (57:44):
Theodore.

Frank (57:44):
Theodore, he's sleeping.

Lauren (57:46):
He'll be fine, he's looking over and she'll be like
what.

Frank (57:49):
Hey, I guess I get to tell you we're talking to a
friend.
You sleepy.

Lauren (57:54):
She speaks to animals.

Frank (57:56):
He needs a haircut, Hi buddy, this is.

Sage (57:59):
Theodore Hi, theodore, can you see me?
I'm on the TV screen.

Lauren (58:05):
Can you see me?
I'm on the TV screen, can you?

Frank (58:06):
see Sage, I guess.
Oh, my God Hold on.

Lauren (58:09):
What a great look.
Okay, there's a photo rightthere.

Frank (58:17):
This is very funny.

Sage (58:19):
Well, you guys don't have the same hairstyles, right?
Well, you guys don't have thesame hairstyles, right?
And the question you had, frank, is whether he picks up on your
stress or not.
He said he does, but he said hedoesn't take it on.
He said it's not his.

Lauren (58:35):
He said he doesn't take on your stress, oh good, he's
not understanding what'shappening right now.
He looks like he doesn'tunderstand, are you so?

Sage (58:49):
nervous.
Yeah, he's a little bit worried.
So some of that licking andyawning, those are signals that
animals do.
People do it too, to show thatthey're a little bit stressed,
and every domesticated animal isstressed.
Look at what we do.
We put collars on them, weattach leashes and we take them

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wherever we feel like going, andsometimes we tell them where
we're going and sometimes wedon't.

Lauren (59:11):
yeah, and if we were aliens coming down and seeing
what we do with animals, it'slike whoa, that is weird, right
for sure they're supposed tojust be running free, right, the
people who put their like dogin a purse or something and take
them to the grocery store.
The dog's probably like.
This is so strange.
I'm just here while you pickout food.

Sage (59:29):
You done, pal yeah, he said he can.
He said he can take care ofhimself.
Oh okay, theodore said he.
Theodore said that he can takecare of himself.
He doesn't feel like he needsto take care of you or that you
have to take care of his anxietyneeds.
He said he can take he's.
He's can do his own work.
Wow, and he's not taking up,taking on your stress.

(59:53):
He said that's yours.

Frank (59:55):
That's good to know.
It's very helpful.
Yeah, he's such a good dog.
He like he knows his job.
He, every night, every night,he like lays at the foot of our
daughter's bed and he knowsexactly.
I'm assuming by her breathing,he knows exactly when she's
fallen asleep and he can comerejoin us.
He's there to like make herfeel comfortable.

Sage (01:00:15):
Yeah, that's really sweet.

Frank (01:00:16):
He's the sweetest guy in the world.

Sage (01:00:18):
Yeah, he's got a very gentle demeanor and you know
almost very he's very clearabout what he wants and what he
needs and what he's like.
No, that's yours, that's youranxiety.
I'm not taking it on.

Frank (01:00:34):
Perfect, I prefer it that way.
That's amazing.

Lauren (01:00:36):
That's great.

Frank (01:00:38):
Can we talk for a second about?

Lauren (01:00:39):
Thank you for talking to him.

Frank (01:00:40):
Yeah, that's awesome, yeah, you're welcome.
Do I feel like the answer isyes.
Do animals?
Yes, have.

Lauren (01:00:50):
Thank you for coming today, and that was sage lewis
do animals have spirit guides,and are they often?

Frank (01:00:58):
are they always animals, or do the animals have like
human spirit guides or formerhumans?

Sage (01:01:02):
yeah, In my experience, when I've worked with animals
and been asked to connect withtheir spirit guides, my
experience is both that theyhave both animals and people as
spirit guides.
Oh, that's so cool.

Frank (01:01:18):
I mean, is that the other way around too?
Can some of our spirit guidesjust be like a pet or a former
pet or something?

Sage (01:01:26):
Absolutely.
They can also be plants.

Frank (01:01:27):
they could be gemstones, rocks that is so interesting to
me.

Lauren (01:01:30):
I love that so much yeah , you can have a whole series of
teams that makes sense, though,too, when you're like drawn to
a plant or a stone or an animaland you don't really know why.
Like could be that they're kindof like hovering around you or

(01:01:51):
you know at all times orsomething exactly.

Sage (01:01:54):
There's some medicine in that for you.
Yeah, it will help with um,either power or, you know,
bringing more power into yourlife or balancing something out.
So sometimes I'll work withanimals or people and they'll
ask what do I need in order tohelp with this issue?
And I might get a plant thatcomes through and maybe it's a

(01:02:15):
plant that they need to ingestmore Like.
I had a client recently thatcilantro was coming through and
it was about detoxing and itjust rang through.
I knew nothing about cilantroand then she wrote back and she
said wow, I just found out.
Cilantro is like number one fordetoxing.

Frank (01:02:32):
Wow, I didn't know that.

Sage (01:02:34):
Yeah, I didn't either.
It just came through.
So I've really learned to trustwhat shows up.

Frank (01:02:39):
Yeah, yeah, and for our Australian listeners, yeah, yeah
, and for our.

Lauren (01:02:44):
Australian listeners, listeners, this is coriander.
You, you know better than youactually think.
Like just thinking about, liketrusting.
Sometimes something pops intoyour head and you're like that
was weird.
Or you know, like why would Ithink about that?
But your higher self like knowswhat you need, or you have some

(01:03:07):
kind of like information comein.
I think the lesson is just forme, absolutely.

Sage (01:03:14):
Trust your gut yeah.

Frank (01:03:16):
Trying to discern and learn, like what is your
imagination and what is actuallycoming through, and if it's
even important to discern thatlike yeah, and that's that,
frank, is where nature comes in.

Sage (01:03:30):
And if you take all of those what I call bingo balls,
you know the stuff that's justbouncing around, all of these
ideas.
We look at where we live in,the, the cities, with all of the
emfs and all of the energymoving, and then we get out of
that area and we move into deepnature.
All of those ideas may distilldown to one nugget where what we

(01:03:54):
get labeled as attentiondeficit may happen a lot more in
a really busy environment.
And when you quiet and attunewith the energy of mother earth,
that theta brainwave state, itmay distill itself down into
like oh, here it is I gotta getaway from my screen.

Lauren (01:04:15):
I was just gonna say, and like we're in this studio
where frank spends so much ofhis time, there's equipment in
here, everywhere, that makes somuch sense.
And as you go outside and getit distilled into one thing.

Frank (01:04:30):
And as if we're not just talking about like, we're not
just talking about this, likethe electronic feeds coursing
through this space, and then ontop of that I have a screen
that's like entertaining my, myeyes and my brain all the time,
where I'm trying to learnsomething or look up something
or read something.
Yeah, no wonder I've got thebingo balls.
Bingo balls I like that I'vegot the bingo balls from hell.

Sage (01:04:53):
In here I'm sensing a clairvoyaging whale expedition.

Frank (01:04:58):
Oh my With psychics, oh yeah, that would be the coolest
thing ever.
We should do this.

Lauren (01:05:08):
Yes.

Frank (01:05:09):
Please.

Lauren (01:05:11):
A whale expedition.
Oh my God, you would lose yourmind.
I'm so into it.

Frank (01:05:15):
You would love that.

Lauren (01:05:17):
A team of let's call them everybody team.
A group of psychics.

Sage (01:05:25):
And a boat and whales.
I think we're set there, it is.

Frank (01:05:28):
That it would be a whole thing.
Maybe that's our next travellog.

Lauren (01:05:32):
Yeah.

Frank (01:05:34):
Awesome.

Lauren (01:05:34):
That's documentary number two.

Frank (01:05:36):
Yeah, all right.
Well, in the meantime, can yougive everybody your plugs and
tell them where to find you?

Sage (01:05:44):
Absolutely so.
I'm at dancingporcupinecomthat's my main website and for
those of you that are trying tofigure out how to spell
porcupine, so it's dancing.
And then P-O-R-C-U-P-I-N-Ecom,and we also have a chocolate
company.
That's a whole other side lighthere.

(01:06:04):
My husband and I started a darkchocolate and ceremonial cacao
company and that's tie-dyedragonflycom.

Frank (01:06:11):
Yes, Tie-dye dragonfly Beautiful.

Lauren (01:06:15):
That's so cool.
I want to try it.
Let's get some.
Let's get some sipping cacao.

Frank (01:06:20):
You know, I love chocolate.

Sage (01:06:21):
Yes, I'll send you some Amazing.

Lauren (01:06:24):
Oh my gosh that'd be so cool.

Frank (01:06:26):
That's so fun, Sage.
Thank you so much for spendingtime with us today.

Sage (01:06:29):
I'm so happy you reached out.

Frank (01:06:30):
Yeah, this was great, you guys.

Sage (01:06:31):
What a wonderful podcast and I'm so glad that Shaggy and
I found you.

Lauren (01:06:38):
Shaggy brought us together.
He did.

Frank (01:06:41):
That's so funny.
Thank you for listening.

(01:07:06):
That's so funny.
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