068: Healing Trauma to Awaken Psychic Gifts // with April Thacker

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April Thacker joins us to share her extraordinary journey from childhood spiritual encounters to becoming a professional psychic medium. Having experienced near-death moments as a young child, April recalls seeing a crystal village and feeling surrounded by love – early glimpses into the spiritual realm that would later become her calling.

Most fascinating is April's account of the "Hat Man" – a shadowy figure in a hat and trench coat that visited her as a child. This wasn't just imagination; the Hat Man is a documented phenomenon reported by people worldwide, though his purpose remains mysterious. These early encounters initially frightened April into shutting down her abilities until divine timing intervened when she met her future mother-in-law – a woman raised by gypsies who practiced tarot reading.

The conversation takes an illuminating turn as April describes how trauma healing unlocked her mediumship abilities. Courageously sharing her experiences with childhood abuse, alcoholism in her family, and sexual trauma, April demonstrates how these painful experiences became tools for helping others. 

Whether you're curious about developing your own intuitive abilities or seeking inspiration in healing past wounds, April's story offers both practical guidance and profound hope. 

To learn more about April or to work with her:

Visit her website: sacreddreamer.simdif.com

Follow her on TikTok

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:01):
Hello good people.
In this episode, Frank and Ichatted with April Thacker, a
psychic medium and teacher.
We talked about trauma healing,divine timing, the hat man and
her touring group of mediumscalled the Artistry of
Mediumship.
I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank (00:16):
And I'm Defying Gravity.

Lauren (00:18):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode68 of Clear Voyaging.
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging.

Frank (00:52):
What's going on, hi friends?
What was today's rap aboutlauren tacos?
I was rapping about tacos, thetaco shop al pastor,
specifically con pina oh, he'sgot some cuban in him, sure.
That's the extent of my Spanish, right there.

Lauren (01:08):
Guys, I hope you're doing well on this fantastic day
.
It's April.

Frank (01:14):
Happy April.

Lauren (01:15):
Yeah.

Frank (01:17):
Supposedly April is what it's April, also the name of our
guest.

Lauren (01:21):
You're right.
Oh my God, I was like what?
Sorry, sorry, april.
Yeah, you know what I heard?
That april energy, just themonth of april, is supposed to
be like new and like like freshwell, according to some
traditions, we could use thatapril 1st is the actual

(01:43):
astrological new year.

Frank (01:45):
That's cool, so happy new year everybody.

Lauren (01:50):
Hey Frank.

Frank (01:51):
Yeah.

Lauren (01:52):
Natalie R bought us some coffees.

Frank (01:54):
Natalie R.
Yes, Thank you, Natalie.

Lauren (01:57):
Natalie are you kidding me and we got a new Patreon
member no we didn't.

Frank (02:07):
Man Down and Tuesday is our new patron.
That's the user handle.
Yes, man down and tuesday, areyou serious?

Lauren (02:11):
yeah, thank you very much by the by, did you hear the
preview of seth's listenerepisode?
His full episode is up onpatreon and we know you're gonna
love, love it.

Frank (02:24):
It's tasty.

Lauren (02:25):
Like, the clip that you heard is just one of really a
bunch of fascinating stories.

Frank (02:31):
The entire story is fantastic.
Yeah, life journey is anabsolute blast.
Yeah, like we all can learnfrom it.
I think it's amazing.

Lauren (02:39):
Yeah, I really think it'll resonate with a lot of
people.
He actually there's alreadysome comments from patrons on
there Just really appreciatinghis vulnerability and his
honesty and it's a good one.
It's a good one.

Frank (02:52):
It's a good one.

Lauren (02:53):
Also, I want to tell you guys, for the rest of April
we're doing a 50% off promo foryour first month's membership.
So it's only $2 to join, $dollars to join what is?
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Frank (03:10):
so cheap.
Come on and join us, join thefamily.

Lauren (03:17):
We're having fun yeah, we got another one coming up too
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Another one wish wish.

Frank (03:23):
Wish is awesome.

Lauren (03:25):
Another.
Just a reminder.
We are actively fundraising forour documentary and your
support is so helpful.

Frank (03:33):
Yeah.

Lauren (03:33):
Speaking of support, thank you to Melissa for your
recent donation.
Yeah, what's up?
Yeah what, melissa.

Frank (03:42):
You gotta be kidding me.
Thank you so much, yeah.
We know things are tight, rightme.
Thank you so much, yeah.

Lauren (03:46):
We know things are tight right now.
Yes, they are Eggs.
Am I right Eggs?
Why is it always eggs?

Frank (03:51):
That's the, it's just the the it's the pulse of the
economy.

Lauren (03:56):
Um, no presh my pretty little babies.
But if you have some love tospare, hop on over to Claire
voyagingcom slash support andclick on the link for the 501 C
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That's where we are fiscallysponsored.

Frank (04:10):
Want to know a cool thing too what?
Even if you can't help, whichis totally fine and
understandable we are set up toaccept grants.
Yeah, I'm going to throw thatout there.
If anybody you know in thegrant giving world, we are
prepared to make someapplications.
So just let us know whichdirection we can fire that off
in.

Lauren (04:30):
Yeah, enough of the updates, let's get to April.

Frank (04:33):
Let's get to April.

Lauren (04:34):
It's April Thacker, the psychic medium.
She is a ball of fiery energyand so genuine and kind.
We talked to her for over twohours.

Frank (04:43):
We did.

Lauren (04:46):
So we have some extra stuff on our Patreon from this
conversation.

Frank (04:48):
That's right, I forgot.

Lauren (04:50):
Yeah, we've got some good stuff, because we were like
, okay, well, we can't have thelongest conversation ever, but
the extra stories are reallyinteresting.
So also, guys, I want to give aquick trigger warning.
We do get into some traumastories around sexual abuse,
suicide and physical abuse, so Iwanted to make sure to put a

(05:12):
warning out there about thosesensitive topics.
The context is around thehealing that April did, so I
want to just thank her for beingso honest and open and
vulnerable in talking aboutthose subjects.

Frank (05:27):
Yeah, it's a big thing to do to go on a public platform
and talk about that kind ofthing.

Lauren (05:31):
Yeah.
To like anybody, but it's atestament to the trauma healing
that she did.

Frank (05:36):
Yeah and like like it's a way for us all to grow through
her growth and that's, that'sthe point, that's the whole
point.

Lauren (05:43):
So, you turn trauma into wisdom and april did that
spectacularly yeah, so let's getto her episode.
Let's do it, enjoy you gottasay it now roll the tape.
April, thank you so much forjoining us.
We we love people's backstorieshere on Clear Voyaging, so can

(06:06):
you tell us how you got startedand when did all of this start
happening for you?
How'd you get here?

April (06:14):
So, since I was a little girl, I seen and sensed spirit.
It actually started, though,because, looking back on this
journey and realizing differentthings and synchronicities for
me, I realized that I was neardeath experience being born, and

(06:35):
also I had a near deathexperience as a young child as
well, out in the winter cold.
That's a long story, but withum, with both of those
experiences, I remember seeingthings, um, I remember seeing a
crystal village, a big, long um,just like how do I explain it?
It looked like a bridge to meand there was just people

(06:57):
surrounded on both sides of meand all I felt was love.
So since then, um, and since Iwas a little girl, I've always
sensed the in spirit.
They would visit me, and Idon't know if you guys have ever
heard of the hat man.

Frank (07:09):
Yes, yes, we have but if you don't mind, because some of
our listeners may not be totallyfamiliar with that, could you.

Lauren (07:16):
We've never talked about it on the show.
I don't think we have.
Can you describe that?
Yeah, he likes spirit thingsthe hat man to me.

April (07:24):
Um, he, I also called him the watcher.
He in folk tales and um, andthe different generations um the
.
He comes and visits, thatvisits people in the middle of
the night and just watches overyou.
He wears um a hat and a longtrench coat.
Um, I'm not sure what he, whohe is or what he does.

(07:46):
All I know is he scared thecrap out of me as a child.
Yeah, my goodness.
Yeah, like, like, and I wouldtell my parents about all my
visitations, not only from thehat man.
And it's funny looking back onit now because I would tell my
parents and they would kind ofbrush it off.
And now they know what I do andthey're fully supportive of me

(08:10):
and they're like OK, now itmakes sense, right?
Yeah, so for me it started as achild.
I ended up shutting down myabilities because of the hat man
, though he scared me, so Iended up shutting down my
abilities because of the hat man, though he scared me, so I
ended up shutting down just thereason why we all know about the
hat man is because the hat manis a phenomenon that many people
report seeing and, uh, no oneseems to know exactly what his

(08:34):
purpose is turns.
Maybe he just really enjoyshanging out, we don't know I, I,
yeah, he just was a watcher tome and then I realized everybody
was seeing the hat man and I'mlike that's him, that's him, oh
my god.
So I ended up posting a videoon it, on, you know tiktok, and
it blew up, um, but for me, Iwish that I could go back now,

(08:57):
knowing what I do about spirit,and actually talk to this man
and say why did you scare thecrap out of me?
What did you want with me?
You know things like that andum.
Also, people told me that, um,he looks like the poltergeist
guy.
I've never seen the poltergeist.
I haven't either, personally.

Frank (09:18):
The, the poltergeist, the hold on.
I've seen it once and now I'mgetting my poltergeist, my
exorcisms mixed up.

April (09:27):
So I probably shouldn't comment on that, okay, but those
movies scared me at that agebecause of what I was seeing.
So I never watched things likethat unless it was like freddy
krueger, you know something likethat, right, yeah, yeah.
But, um, growing up, so, um, Iwas really into anything
spiritual.
You know, the craft movie cameout.
I was all about that all overit.

(09:48):
Ghost adventures, you know allthese ghostly shows.
I was just trying to figure outwhere I belonged because I
always had this sense like,growing up as a teenager, my
friends and I would have seances.
You know, like I've always beenconnected, so it's no surprise
to any of my friends, like thework that I do, just because

(10:11):
they've known me forever.
When I was 14 and I met myhusband going on 20 years now
his mom and I got along verywell.
I absolutely love her.
She's my mother-in-law, um, hername's Christine, but she read
tarot cards and she was raisedand, uh, raised by gypsies.

(10:37):
Her whole family was gypsies,so this is something that she
had to learn.
So I say spirit and divinetiming there's no joke between
that, because I'm getting chillsright now even talking about it
it was divine timing, likespirits, like okay, this is
where you need to go.
So amazing connection, such anamazing connection and after

(11:02):
that I was really really intothe tarot cards.
But you know, kids' lifehappens, so I had to kind of
step back from things.
I really started developing inmediumship, spiritualism myself.
I had to do a lot of self-work,trauma healing things like that

(11:24):
, and you guys have probablyheard a lot of other mediums and
spiritualists have to say thatyes, it's like 80% of our show
yeah.
Yeah, you have to work onyourself.
So I ended up started workingon myself and I was watching
Teresa Caputo, you know, readingTyler Henry's books, love Kim

(11:45):
Russo, laura Lynn Jackson, allof them and I'm like I would be
watching the show and I wouldget images in my head before
they would make the connectionwith the person and I would
start getting the sameinformation.
And I would start getting thesame information and I'm like,

(12:09):
okay, you know, maybe it's notmy ADHD.
That's like making my mind, youknow, go crazy.
Yeah, I diagnosed ADHD here.
No surprise.

Frank (12:16):
I find a lot of psychics and mediums are Can I just say
this is already answered,because you get way more out of
your television subscriptionsthan most people, because every
show is interactive for you ifit's dealing with the spirit.

April (12:29):
Yes, it really is.
But then, you know, goingthrough spiritual, like my
spiritual journey, I havelearned to set boundaries and
close off the spirit too.
It's all about intention, andif I have an intention of ooh,
okay, yeah, I kind of want toconnect and see if I'm getting
anything, you know, at that timeI didn't know boundaries, so I
was connecting, um.

(12:51):
But so after all that, I waslike you know what I'm going to
start looking into, like ametaphysical shop around me my
area is not huge, in it, I thinkthere's two within 40 minutes
of me.
Uh, I looked up and there was a$5 development circle class and

(13:12):
I'm like, oh, five bucks, I cando that, yeah, so I went into
this class, um, my mentorteacher at the time, his name
was Jim, he's amazing.
It was just a little circle,everybody was just very nice,
kind, polite, and it's my firsttime doing it.
But they throw you into thedeep end.

(13:33):
It's not okay.
We're going to teach you how toconnect, like what I teach now.
It's not I'm going to teach youhow to connect, just do it.
Well, you're like, what am Isupposed to do?
I'm like I'm so nervous, youknow, oh, my God, I can't

(13:54):
believe I'm doing, um, so Iended up just going with it.
I'm like, okay, spirit, I trustyou.
And uh, I ended up giving anamazing reading to a woman.
Woman, um, it was her friend'sson.
That came through and the waythat it came through it was very
violent, which was kind ofbothersome to me, and I kept

(14:18):
seeing images of a prison and Ikept seeing images of an inmate
being beaten by guards and Ikept seeing this this man go to
the hospital hooked up on lifesupport, things like that like
very, very tragic, and I'm likethis had to make headlines

(14:38):
somewhere.
I'm seeing headlines, I'mseeing news, but I'm also seeing
nothing being done or nothingto come out of it right now,
like I feel that energy Come tofind out her friend's son, who
was in prison, got beat byseveral different guards to the
point of him being on lifesupport, but he ended up passing

(15:02):
later in the hospital.
Wow, that's messed up and it andit was covered on the news um
and the papers and nothing hadstill been done about it holy
cow, that's my first time.
Oh my god, I was like how thehell did I just overwhelming

(15:22):
yeah, but it was amazing feelinglike yeah oh my god I'm not
crazy like.
This is validation for me,because I'm an evidential medium
, so I want that evidence, Iwant that validation.
And it was such validation forme that right after that moment
I'm like like I'm obsessed.
This is what I'm supposed to bedoing.

(15:44):
This is where all of thischildhood trauma and all these
ghostly paths have led me.

Lauren (15:52):
Yeah, and then you just like that was it, Like I'm going
to start learning as much as Ican, like that kind of thing
Just professionally.

April (16:02):
Everything.
It's like, you know, I used todo crafts and instead of crafts
now I just exchanged it forclasses and different.
You know, want to learneverything about everything.
And the hard part about it wasfor me, was coming out of the
mediumship closet.
Was coming out of themediumship closet, letting

(16:24):
everyone know, like social media, facebook, all my family, my
friends, like this is what Iwant to do, because you're gonna
have judgment come at you.
Yeah, with it.
So for me, I was like okay, andthen even you know my kids.
I have to think about my kidsand how their friends are going
to react to this.
Are they going to be made funof?

(16:46):
You know so there was a lot forme in order to come out of the
mediumship closet, but it wasthe best thing I ever did For me
.
It showed me who my truefriends were, who my true
friends aren't.
It showed me that my familyloves me, for me and for what I
do, and they have trust andbelief in me.

(17:08):
And just having that support,not only from my direct family,
but my husband's family as well,and I have just met so many
beautiful people along thisjourney that are now soul family
to me.

Lauren (17:21):
That's so awesome.
What a freeing thing too.
That's so awesome.
What a like freeing thing tohow mean like you have to have
so much, like you said, so muchfear around being like.
But, guys, I do mediumshipreadings now, especially for
people who didn't know.

Frank (17:40):
It's such an interesting transition well, I mean, we've
experienced something similar inthat, like at least in our own
internalizing of like concernsabout judgment, like in even
just starting a podcast aboutthe thing not doing the thing
itself.
Right, yeah.
So it's, it's, I'm certain I'mcoming out of the mediumship
closet.
I'm sure is like just such sucha thing to overcome is like

(18:05):
just such such a thing toovercome.
But I'm going to use that as ajumping off point real quick,
because I wanted to ask you likesomething that comes up a lot
in during our conversations isjust that concept of um, like
being your true, authentic self,and how that aligns the rest of
your life right, which justseems like it's something that
happened for you.
It sounds like you might havehad to shift your relationship

(18:27):
with some people um, oh yeah,family, um.

April (18:31):
So this journey wasn't always easy.
Uh, coming out of themediumship closet wasn't just
about me doing mediumship, um,it was about me healing myself
and finally coming out andsaying, hey, I'm doing this.
Um, I did so much trauma andshadow work, uh, to the point, I
had a lot of family trauma.

(18:51):
I had abuse.
In my life, I've hadmanipulation, um, family that
are alcoholics, uh, there's justa lot that I had to unfold and
unravel, uh, for myself, and,and I had to let go of some
relationships for a little whileand the ones that were really
meant, you know, to work out.
We worked it out and for me,just that healing opened up so

(19:18):
many more doors for me beingable to heal myself, but now I
help heal others.
So it's just, it's the mostrewarding.
I don't even want to call it ajob because it doesn't feel like
that to me.
It's the most rewarding thingthat I could do in my life to

(19:40):
help give back to others.
And just the gratitude that Ifeel in my heart for the love
that I've received and thehealing that I've received.
It's immense and I can't evenexplain it.

Lauren (19:55):
I have a question about your husband, because you said
you've been with your husbandsince.
You've known your husband sinceyou were 14.
So, and married for 20 years.
This has been quite a journey.
Alongside him as well, do youone?
Is he like, oh, april's gonnado her thing, or is there any?

(20:16):
Does he have any likeinclination towards like I want
to learn some into it, likeintuitive development?
Or like teach me something?

April (20:25):
or is it like you fit it the nail on the head, the first
uh statement that you made?
He's like, oh, I'm not gonna doanything and what she's doing,
okay, so like through it.
He used to be scared of thistype of work and he's like you
better not bring no demons in myhouse or you know bad energy

(20:46):
and I'm like honey, I only dealwith you know the love, the
light, the high frequency, butit's an amazing thing to watch
because he used to be scared ofit.
His brother is also very, verymediumistic psychic.
So he's he's around it so it'salways freaked him out.

(21:07):
But once I started actuallygetting into it, started doing
readings.
Now he tells everybody oh, mywife's the medium, my wife's the
medium like I'm, like, can wenot hang out with people?
He's just so proud of me that Iknow that he wants to help
everyone.

Frank (21:27):
How nice is that.

April (21:28):
That's so sweet, he's so amazing.
His name's Roy, but I justabsolutely love that man,
everything that he has supportedme on along the way and through
my self-healing he also wentthrough self-healing with me.
Um, we really have learned howto navigate the waters of

(21:51):
emotions, I should say, becauseyou know, it's not always easy.
Um, and 20 year, 20 plus yearrelationship, we've had to learn
to navigate those waters.
And just how open andempathetic he is now and seeing
him get his like intuitive hitsor feeling energy and spirit

(22:11):
around, I'm like, oh yeah, it'srubbing off, it's definitely
that's fun.

Lauren (22:18):
I mean he's gotta have if his brother has that and his
mom's into tarot, like oh yeah,roy has some stuff, he's just
unfortunately it comes out morelike if he's under the influence
of alcohol.
Oh my gosh, he's drinkingaround his friends.

April (22:36):
you know he's like, oh, I'm like babe, that's not
ethical, stop it.

Frank (22:41):
Sometimes you got to turn off that brain a little bit to
get let the things in, oh mygosh, I've heard, I've heard
some psychics be like oh, I'vehad some of my best readings
after a couple beers and I'msure it's just from turning off
the brain just a little bit soethically, I do not say, do that
, but sure, if you're withfriends and family, it's gonna

(23:04):
happen, because it's alwayshappened.

April (23:07):
Like, and my friends know what I do.
So they're like oh, do you feelanything?
And they like put like, if Igive them something, they're
like oh, what do you see?
I'm like, oh, man, it started.
But yeah, and it honestly Ifeel like being under the
influence of certain things.
Don't inhibit a reading.

(23:27):
I know a lot of mediums andpsychics say that it can, but
for me it never really hasEverybody that I've read.
But, like I said, it's family,it's friends.
Yeah, sure, people hang outaround a bonfire, you know,
while we're camping Right, andnever a client while we're
camping Right, never a client oranything like that.

Lauren (23:47):
He was showing his readings drunk.

Frank (23:50):
Or going to a bar.
Hey, buddy, I'm a psychic okay.

April (23:55):
Do you want a?

Lauren (23:55):
reading.
Your grandpa told me something.

Frank (24:00):
Hey, give me 10 bucks and I'll tell you something cool.

April (24:04):
But for me it's like I'll say something and if I don't
want to read out I will setthose boundaries.
But if spirit starts steppingforward to me, as soon as
someone starts talking to me,I'm not going to hold that back
like I'm like okay, and you know, the funny thing about it is a
lot of the times when I doconnect, it's a grandfather or

(24:24):
an uncle that love to drink andhave fun.

Frank (24:28):
And they're coming to that exact moment.
They came to the party.

April (24:31):
Yeah, so I feel like it's almost divine timing in a sense
, like maybe I can't read themthrough experience when I'm not
drinking, you know Right.

Frank (24:41):
Oh, that's funny you know that really just brought up
something for me that I've we'vetalked to a lot of people
recently about how they reallyconnect deeply to their, their
heritage or their ancestry,Right, and like I'm always a
little bit jealous of thatbecause I am a much of many
cultures and I don't I don'treally like subscribe deeply to
any particular ethnicity or oror culture, Right, and and the

(25:05):
two that I do subscribe to themost are kind of at odds with
each other.
I've got I'm I'm very scottishand I'm very cuban, right, so
like, what am I gonna do?
Like like santeria in a kilt?

April (25:13):
this doesn't make sense hey, I think it works.

Frank (25:16):
Maybe it does yeah but like thinking about this in that
sense, like you're saying like,oh, you know, maybe like your,
your grandfather showed up,showed up to the bar because
they wanted to hang out too.
Right, that was their favoritething to do, doing stuff that
your family members, your pastfamily members, might have
participated in as almost aspiritual practice, not so much
as a ritual, but that's likemaybe a really cool practice to

(25:37):
try out for for those of us whodon't really know what, how to
tap into that.

Lauren (25:41):
Didn't you?
You went on a solo camping tripand I did how to tap into that
you went on a solo camping trip?

Frank (25:46):
I did, and I was told that I was going to be in some
way connected to my grandfather,who I didn't actually even know
at the time.
I asked later.
He was an avid camper.
I was like oh, I didn't evenknow that.

April (25:54):
I'll see Divine timing.

Frank (25:58):
Yeah.

Lauren (25:59):
Okay, so you do this artistry of mediumship.
Tell us about that.
I do the artistry of mediumship.
Tell us about that.

April (26:06):
So I do the artistry of mediumship tour it's me with a
group of mediums.
We travel around the UnitedStates, we book events and
venues and we have our socialmedia following.
Come out to see us or you knowother tickets.
But it's not about the moneyfor us the tickets are always

(26:29):
such an amazing price.
It's about we want to show theart of mediumship, because every
medium reads completelydifferent.
It's like an artistic drawing,um and we want to showcase that
life still continues after death.
So we just did an event in SantaCruz, california, monterey area

(26:53):
, and while we were there, therewere seven of us, seven mediums
there were supposed to be eight, but somebody unfortunately
couldn't make it.
So there were seven of us andwe had five events over four
days and there were a bunch ofdifferent mediums.
Uh, we went to uh the 418 Idon't know if you guys heard of

(27:15):
that in santa cruz.
No, we did an event at uh the418.
It's an old cinema and, uh, thereally cool thing that we ended
up doing that a lot of othermediums don't do during platform
mediumship events, which thatis okay.
Spirit is making me feel likethis this, this, can anyone take

(27:37):
that in the audience?

Frank (27:39):
right and they'll raise their hands and yes, so, yeah,
yeah.

April (27:45):
So we would do spirit led um and you know, say okay, who
can take this?
Then, whoever we hold her on to, we would read.
But with the artistry ofmediumship we like to do linked
readings and direct.
So at the end of the event weended up saying okay, we're
going to do something fun andHuggable.

(28:06):
Healer Hannah.
You guys should totally haveher on the show.
She's actually her, and the guythat does Embrace Academy with
me started Artistry andMediumship.
She's amazing, huggable,huggable Healer Hannah.

Frank (28:21):
Can't argue with that name.
Great yeah, love it already.

April (28:24):
She's amazing.
I absolutely love her.
She is somebody that I startedfollowing and now we're best
friends, we're soul family.

Lauren (28:32):
Oh, that's so cool.

April (28:33):
Um, and we're all here to support each other.
It's not a competition.
So during the event, um, hannahdecides to stand up and say hey
, okay, so I have something funthat we can do.
Let's go direct and let's haveour mediums all connect with the
same spirit.
We weren't prepared, but I loveit, because I love it.

(29:00):
So we ended up going direct andI ended up connecting with a
woman and I kept seeing hermother standing Like I see them
in my daydreamer, I like to callit that's why I'm sacred
dreamer.
So, um, I kept seeing hermother step forward.
So I just started going andlike talking about how all of
her mom's belongings are packedup in boxes and how she wants

(29:22):
them unpacked, and her husbandwas laughing, sitting in the
seat, going like this.
But then I would read, and thenanother medium would read, and
then another medium would readthe same person, but it's the
same spirit and I love thatbecause we read as mediums.
We read from life experiences.

(29:44):
So if we haven't had anexperience in our life that the
spirit is trying to bringforward, we can't really relate
to it and it can be a lot harderfor us to get that message or
that image out, if that makessense, yeah.

Lauren (30:02):
That makes so much sense .

April (30:04):
When you connect with another medium.
They may have that experienceof farming you know living and
milking the cows, whatever itmay be but I don may have that
experience of farming.
You know living and milking thecows, whatever it may be, but I
don't have that experience.
So that part, he's going tocome out and say it through that
medium instead of through methat is so awesome wait do you
like seeing.

Lauren (30:22):
It's like turning like a I don't know, like a
multi-sided crystal or somethingyou see.

April (30:27):
See all the different sides of it.
It's like turning a radiostation channel and just getting
like a better, I don't knowmessage.

Frank (30:36):
Yeah, you're all tuned to different.

Lauren (30:37):
Like a bunch of different angles.

Frank (30:38):
Can I throw out a different analogy?

Lauren (30:40):
Go ahead, I'm scared.

Frank (30:42):
You should be, I mean you guys, I don't know if you know
this, but you're a band, you'reon tour, you all play different
instruments.
Your guitarist doesn't play thebass at the same time.
You can't do that.
Someone else plays the bass foryou Exactly, and you're making
a beautiful song.

Lauren (30:58):
Everyone's filling in the song.

Frank (30:59):
Yeah.
I love that.

Lauren (31:04):
It's really and you're literally on tour.
Exactly the person you werereading for must have had.
That's such a unique experience.
It was like four differentmediums, uh there, so we split.

April (31:18):
So there was six of us reading at the time and the
first three mediums connectedwith a different spirit for
somebody, and then us three.
The last three connected withthe woman that I was talking
about.

Lauren (31:31):
That's amazing.

Frank (31:34):
Okay, when you're, have you done that again, or is that
just that once?

April (31:39):
Oh no, I love doing that.
So every event, um, we justweren't prepared at the four,
one, eight event to do thatuntil she cause we didn't know
if we would have time.
But Hannah's like no, we'redoing it.
But she is ADHD as well andsquirrely just like me, so I
love it.

Frank (31:54):
She felt it.

April (31:55):
We also do this on Tik TOK, where we give free readings
.
There's a bunch of mediums andall of us that go live and we
will connect to the same spirit.
Or then you have multiplespirits, like their whole family
starts coming in wow, boy, wow,it's you're.

Frank (32:13):
You're hosting interventions from the other
side exactly.

April (32:16):
Sometimes it feels like it.
If your family is loud andobnoxious like before they pass,
they're going to be loud andobnoxious when they come through
yeah, that's so funny oh,that's fascinating.

Lauren (32:29):
The other people um are there.
Do they have different clairsfrom you?
Or or are they receiving images, or are they like hearing
things?
So a lot of this particular themom packing up the bags, like
that story.
What were they getting?

April (32:49):
um, pretty much every one of us have every clear um.
A lot of times for me smelldoesn't come forward, but for me
I'm like I don't know if I wantto smell things.
Yeah, yeah or coffee orsomething like so for me, I have
boundaries with spirit.
I'm like I don't know about allthat, but yeah, everybody we

(33:13):
were.
We get a lot of clear audience.
So that's, you know, clearhearings.
That comes forward.
We get the clear clairvoyancewhich is the vision, which was
my daydreamer, my daydreamer,the Claire sentience, the
feeling, and the Claire cog isjust the knowing For me.
Personally.

(33:37):
I can't speak for any.
You know everybody else exactlyhow theirs works, but for me
it's.
I want to tell you how itstarted for me, because it's
crazy how much it's changed Forme.
When I was, when I was firststarted, I was getting a lot of
clairvoyance and that's wherethe namesake or dreamer came
from.
Um, I would be getting a lot ofvisions, but my vision started
off as okay, say I tell you toimagine a red balloon.

(33:59):
Can you imagine a red balloonin in your mind's eye?
it used to come in black andwhite form oh so a lot of the
images when I first started wereblack and white and they would
go really fast like a movie thatwould be on, fast forward, okay
.
So I would have to be like oh,okay, and I would talk really,

(34:20):
really quick.
Through development and meexpanding my gifts, it slowed
down and turned to color now.
So now I can see clear colorsthat come forward and I can take
a scene like, say, you see apicture, okay, for example, you
see a picture, but you see theclose up of the picture, like in

(34:41):
your mind's eye.
I can zoom out now.
So I have taught myself how tozoom back and around the picture
to see, like, other things thatmay be in this and it's a
memory or it's spirit showing methat memory.
But now I have control overthat.
So for me, I get a lot of the uh, the clairvoyance.

(35:02):
I'm very clairsentient, so Ifeel a lot, um, I can feel
passing, passing, I can feellike if they had injuries to
their shoulder, um, whatever itmay be, um, I also have clear
audience like and okay, so Ihave all the Claire's, except I
don't like the smelling, um, butthe knowing as well.

(35:25):
That's really opened up for meover the last year and a half.
I get a lot.
I call them downloads.

Lauren (35:31):
Okay, can I ask you really quickly, claire, claire,
knowing, because we were justtalking to my dad about this
last night he's trying to paymore attention to?
He listens to our podcast, hiDad, and he listened.
So he's been trying to pay moreattention to his intuition and

(35:55):
he's like it just comes into mybody.
I just like know something andI'm like, well, do you hear it
or do you?
And then, and then you knowthat it's true or do you just it
just becomes part of you.
He's like, oh, it just becomespart of me.
So I just sometimes I kind ofwant to, because I think I I

(36:17):
don't know if I have we're stillworking on it but I don't know
if I have the like knowing or ifI I don't know if I know the
difference between if I kind oflike a word pops up in my brain
and then I go, oh, it's this orsomething like that.
Um, that was a long road to askyou kind of the difference

(36:40):
between clear knowing and clearaudience, just for my knowledge
knowledge.

April (36:53):
So one, if it comes in clear, audiently, it can be in
your own voice, in your head, um, and that can come in, um, I
think the clear audience and theclear cognizance with the
hearing and the knowing, I feellike they can come.
They can go together a lot ofthe times because, for example,
think about you're standingthere at a counter and you're
washing dishes.
Okay, you're washing thesedishes and you're listening to

(37:15):
music and then, all of a sudden,you think about your
grandmother, or a thought comesin your head that you think
about her at that moment.
That is clear, um, clearcognizance coming in.
That's the knowing.
Because they're around you,they're saying hey, hi, whatever
, what's up, you know how youdoing, I'm here with you because

(37:36):
you're not thinking about themin that moment and they come in
Now.
Another example would be you'restanding there washing dishes
but you hear your grandmothersay your name.

Lauren (37:49):
Okay.

April (37:50):
That's the clairaudience.
You could hear her in your headas her voice in your head, or
you could hear her out loud andknowing that that would be her.
But it's very hard to do theclaircog with the clairaudience,
like how you were saying youdon't know if it's Claire

(38:10):
Audience.
I would say that's more ClaireCognitive for you because of the
way that it's coming yeah itfeels so hard to separate Claire
Cognizance with just ADD right,and then I
thought I was crazy for thelongest time.
And once I started sorting myfiles and putting them in

(38:34):
drawers because of Spirithelping me and making me realize
that I'm that crazy.
Once I learned to start settingboundaries with Spirit, all
that chatter stopped.

Frank (38:46):
How do you do a controlled flow Homies, just one
at a time?
Is that what's up Like?
Like I w I want to connect, butnot everybody all the time,
kind of thing.

April (39:00):
So I set boundaries for myself.
Now, at the beginning I didn'tset these boundaries, I was not
taught that.
So, through development, Ididn't set these boundaries.
I was not taught that.
So through development, I hadto learn my boundaries.
It's so easy, you guys.
It's not even funny how easy itis to set these boundaries, but
we forget to do it.
And you know, it's all aboutintention in that.

(39:23):
So if I set an intention toclose off the spirit, I either
send them to my waiting room iswhat I call it oh, we've heard
that or I imagine that.
I imagine an on and off signlike open, closed, and then me
locking the door.
So, like I tell everyone, youhave to set these boundaries

(39:46):
with spirit.
Spirit, but it could beanything that you want.
You could imagine you closingan app on your phone and that
being spirit, like you know,going away.
I used to light candles and askspirit to step forward and then
, once I was done reading or,you know, connecting, I would
blow out the candles.
But it's all about intention.

Frank (40:07):
Right.
It's so funny because in in mythis is the questions we're
asking kind of feels like likeone of the first 30 episodes of
the show, but like it's likewe're kind of, uh, getting the
the scope a little clearer.
Yeah, yeah.

Lauren (40:25):
Cause it's stuff that we've like learned about.
There's learning it, but thenthere's also like implementing
it, where we've been trying tolike work on stuff or pay
attention more, pay attention toit, yeah, and as we pay
attention, it's like what isthat?

Frank (40:38):
so they're like, oftentimes, like when I was
going through, so sometimes Iwould.
People are gonna think I'mschizophrenic, but I guess
that's like a thing people getaccused of often.
I haven't experienced this alot lately, but or at all.
But when I was, I used to bewhen I would go to sleep
sometimes and I was super tired,I would be constantly woken up

(40:58):
by, like, right as I was likeentering like a sleep state by
someone, what felt like someonelooking at me and trying to talk
to me, like in my mind's eye,and it would wake me up.
I'd be like, ah, stop, and itfelt crazy, it was hard to
manage and like since we, youknow, in the past, since we've
been in this work or this workadjacent, we've been I've been

(41:19):
like setting up more boundaries,and I'm realizing that that has
not happened to me at all.
Yeah, right, but I that's whatI was asking about this like
trickle, flow, flow, like whatdo I set up?
Do I set up a queue?

April (41:32):
And I'm like okay, guys, take a number, Just turn the
faucet off.

Frank (41:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the faucet's off now, but I want the
faucet back a little bit andI'm kind of older yeah.

April (41:43):
All you have to do is ask spirit, so we have free will.
Spirit's not going to step inand your guides aren't going to
step in unless you ask.
So writing a letter ofintention, which is funny.
We actually just did this withEmbrace Spirit Academy.
We just had them write lettersto their guides and they're
already getting answers fromtheir guides and things are
already happening, which isamazing.

(42:06):
But you're definitely notschizophrenic, honey, because
let me tell you that used tohappen to me too.
Okay, yeah, that's sointeresting like I would be an
adult, hiding under my blanket,trying to cuddle up against my
husband because I didn't want towake him up, because he would
think I was crazy.
Even though now he knows what Ido and he doesn't think I'm

(42:29):
crazy, but like, yes, I knowexactly what you're talking
about okay, it was so.

Frank (42:34):
It was so wild.
It was wild to experience.
I'm like, oh wow, I'm reallyovertired.
My brain is doing these thingsand now I'm like I don't think
that was me, I think that wassomething else.

Lauren (42:43):
I like, right as I'm falling asleep sometimes here
it's like I'm walking, walkedinto a conversation and like
I'll hear someone else's voiceor something, and I'm like what
did I just?

April (42:57):
miss.
You're psychic, or I'm psychic,because I was literally just
about to talk about this to youguys.
Oh, really, have you ever beenlaying in bed and you start
hearing like music or peopletalking like you feel like
you're missing a wholeconversation.
So I love that.
You said that.

(43:18):
That's funny.
That's your clear audiencestarting to come in that spirit
trying to communicate with you,even though you think you're
crazy, because it's very easy tothink that like, okay, is there
?
Do I have tinnitus?
Is there something going on inmy ears?
You know what's going on.
But when it happens multipletimes, that's just spirit trying

(43:38):
to raise your vibration and tryto get you to connect with
spirit oh, that's cool, becausethen when I start paying
attention it goes away and I'mlike because we're trying too
hard, right yeah?

Lauren (43:51):
It's like, right as I'm falling asleep I've just
realized this recently where I'mlike and I brought it up to you
where I'm like I suddenly heara different voice that's not
mine or like you know, maybe two.
It'll be like a lady talking.
I miss.
I hear like a couple of wordsand I'm like what?

April (44:14):
And then like yeah, so when you are about to go to
sleep and you're falling intothat, you know that sleep you
open yourself more because youlet go, so spirit has easier
access to you, because you'renot setting up a boundary,
you're more open.

(44:35):
So that's why a lot of times,things come in or you feel like
somebody's watching you.
You're not schizophrenic, it'sjust your energy is more open
when you're like that so, and Ibelieve that every one of us
have these abilities.
When you're like that so, and Ibelieve that every one of us
have these abilities, it's justwe forgot how to use them over
all these different generationsfrom our family's past, but I'll

(44:59):
never forget when my clearaudience really started kicking
in for me, because I was layingin bed and I pray every night.
whatever you want to call them,god source universe.
Sometimes I call him Gus, goduniverse spirit.

Frank (45:15):
So I I love that so much.

Lauren (45:18):
That's amazing.
That's right up my alley Gus.
Oh my God Okay.

April (45:22):
I talked to Gus and you know I asked him.
You know, in my head it's notout loud Every night I talk.
You know I was told that I'mscared of how grateful I am you
know if you have any messagesfor me and all of a sudden I
heard Salsa.
Like that's real deep, Not myvoice, and I'm like looking

(45:47):
around my husband's snoring inbed.
Salsa, so I haven't wrote down,I think it's salsa or something
in that general, in thatcategory.
But I looked it up and it feltlike it was indian heritage or
something from um, you know that.
And I looked it up and it saida light bringer, oh what that's

(46:11):
a bunch of other stuff.
So like saying that I'mconnected with spirit, I'm a
light bringer, it's somethingthat was used in this culture,
in this heritage.
Um, and after that I was shookbecause I was not.
I'm like because I was not.
I'm like salsa, what?
So, looking it up and findingthat out, I was just.

(46:34):
I was like, okay, it's real.
It's real Cause this was a deepman's voice.
It was very loving Salsa.
I'm like so was.

Frank (46:45):
Do you think that was like a guide, or who do you
think that was?

April (46:47):
Or do you know now?
Yes, I feel like it was a guide.
Um, I feel like that they'vebeen guiding me and I feel like
it's my guide.
Henry is what I call him.
He's actually.
He's actually a guide.
I met um during really deepmeditation, um, to the point
that he took me back.
Remember how I was, was sayingI had the NDEs.

(47:08):
Yeah, he took me back to that.
I don't know if it would be acity, what you would call it.
It was so ethereal, so loving.
But I was back on that bridgewith him and he walked me to the
gates.
It almost looked like an oldcastle that was made out of

(47:29):
crystal.
And he walked me to the uh, tothe gates of the.
It almost looked like an oldcastle that was made out of
crystal.
And he walked me to the gates.
Um, I remember seeing people onthe side of me and it almost
felt like and this is gonnasound crazy, but it almost felt
like there were doors on theside, like portals of people
walking in and out like throughthis.
but it's funny that we'rebringing this up, because when
I'm when I seen Henry in mydream, he was a white deer, ok,

(47:55):
that I could telepathicallycommunicate with, and I laughed
when he told me his name's Henry.
I'm like, oh, that's simple.
You know, here's actually animage of what I seen.
Here's actually an image ofwhat I seen.
Well, this and this showed upon my Pinterest like literally
right after my meditation, so Ihad to turn it out that's

(48:16):
awesome.

Lauren (48:17):
That's so cool we can put it on our Patreon or
something what does Harry Potterdo?

Frank (48:26):
expecto patronum.
Yeah, it says patronus.
That's awesome.
I just heard patron.
What does Harry Potter do?
Yeah, um, expecto patronum.

April (48:30):
Yeah, this is Patronus, that's awesome, or actually, I
just heard Patron.

Frank (48:33):
Patron, that's.
That's Harry Potter's PatronShots.
Um, that's so rad, that's sorad, that's so beautiful.
So you were talking about howwe're back when we were talking
about how, uh, different red,that's so beautiful.
So you were talking about howwe're back when we were talking
about how different mediumsbring different things to.
When you're doing, when you'reon tour with your band, they
bring different things to the,or different clairs, or

(48:57):
different senses.
They'll have a different skilland they are pulling from life
experience.
Yeah, um, and that's common formost mediums, probably the.
I want to ask you what yourtypically what life experiences
are is spirit using you for, ifthat makes sense.

April (49:15):
Spirit just uses me, man.
No, I'm just joking.
So my life experiences growingup, I had a very abusive mother.
She was not just physicallyabusive, she was also very
emotionally abusive.
She really picked.

(49:35):
Unfortunately, this alsostemmed from her mother, so it
was almost like a generationalthing.
My parents ended up splittingwhen I was seven, ended up
splitting when I was seven.
My mom was very abusive to thepoint of making me bleed, you
know, ripping my hair out,things like that.

(49:58):
Unfortunately she had acheckered past because of the
way she was raised.
She came over to the UnitedStates from Axford, england,
when she was 14.
She was married off when shewas 14 by her mother.
So there was just a lot oftrauma, a lot of pain.
My dad I don't want to talk illof them because I love them,

(50:22):
like now today, like we have thebest relationship, but it took
a lot of work.
It took a lot of healing andgrowing from all sides, not just
my side.
So I do want to give themrespect in that.
But my dad was the type ofperson he cannot be alone.
He has to have a woman in hislife, someone to help take care

(50:42):
of him.
I've had a few stepmoms didn'treally connect with them.
So I have experience with themthat my dad ended up becoming an
alcoholic.
He was an alcoholic before Iwas born and he got sober and he
became an alcoholic again overthe years.
So there's a lot of work thatI've had to put through there.

(51:02):
I had a lot of sexual traumafrom an uncle of mine who
unfortunately deserves to be inprison, but he's not and there
was just a lot of experiences.
I had to live with mygrandmother when I was 14.
Everybody, it felt likeeverybody left me, if that makes

(51:25):
sense.
Like my brother he's sevenyears older than me.
He moved to Wisconsin from Ohio, so like I felt like I had to
raise myself, like even at mygrandmother's house.
I had to have common sense atsuch a young age.
And then I met my husband atthe age of 14.
He's my.

(51:46):
I don't know how to to explainit, but when they say love at
first sight and like you havethat instant connection, like I
swear I've had a past with thisman.
The crazy thing is is that wewere both invited to dinner.
I was dating a guy named Shaneand he was dating a girl named

(52:09):
Nicole.

Frank (52:10):
Shout out to Shane and Nicole.

April (52:12):
They were brother and sister.

Frank (52:14):
Oh, interesting.

April (52:15):
Yeah, so they were brother and sister.
So we got invited to familydinner, you know, and we sat
across the table from each otherand it was instant.
He tells me to this day.
He's like I just knew, he'slike she's the one in.

Frank (52:32):
he tells me even to this day he's like, I just knew he's
like she's the one and yeah it.
It's so amazing shane andnicole were ever like what the
hell just happened oh yes, verymuch so, and it still, it still
hurts my heart.

April (52:42):
It still hurts my heart.
But uh, you know, actually hewent off to college at this time
.
He was going off to college andwe were still friends, Like
even after I was dating Roy.
He would come and pick me upfor lunch and stuff, like if he
was home on the weekend fromcollege just to hang out,
Because I don't know how, like,we got past everything, but we

(53:04):
did, and we just became friendsafter that and unfortunately I
haven't talked to him in a longtime, but life be lifin, yeah,
yeah.
So I mean, like there's just somany experiences um with family,
with um alcoholism, drug issues, um sexual, um sa I must say

(53:28):
Things like that, so I have alot of healing that I had to do
for myself.

Frank (53:35):
And thank.

April (53:35):
God for my husband.
And yes, I know what all thatfeels like and I'll tell you the
really bad part of what made me.
I moved out when I was 17 andwith my husband, my uncle, he
ended up moving into mygrandparents' house at the time

(53:56):
the uncle and I lived.
I lived with my grandparents andhe's an alcoholic and if he
drinks liquor, I don't know,it's like he turns into a
completely different person.
He's not a good person anyways,um, to the point that I wasn't
staying home because I feltuncomfortable.
You know, even as a kid I wasvery empathetic.
I had, I had this sense.

(54:17):
I think spirit really helped methrough my life with my common
sense and almost me having totake on the role of a parent for
myself, yeah.
But so Roy ended up talking tohim one day and he said some
very sexual, explicit thingsabout me that he wanted to do to

(54:38):
me.

Frank (54:41):
Oh my God, Know your audience, your audience, bro.
What's wrong with you?

April (54:44):
what a weirdo so that right after it happened, he
wanted to you know, of course,fight him, but he didn't.
Yeah, but he said we're gettingyour shit and we're leaving.
You're moving, wow, roy, to therescue.
He saved me.

Frank (54:59):
We're getting your shit and we're leaving, you're moving
.

April (55:01):
Wow, roy to the rescue.
Roy to the rescue, he saved me.
Um, you know, we've just hadmade such an amazing life
together and, like I said, it'sall divinely connected.
I mean his mom being a gypsy,the tarot readings and his whole
family being open to it, likeyeah.
So I believe that spirit reallydivinely guided me.

Frank (55:23):
Thank Gus.

Lauren (55:25):
Thank you, Gus oh my goodness, that same joke.

April (55:30):
Were you really Through my trauma?
Now I can help others and youknow it's all about the way that
we think about our lives,because I mean, I could be stuck
in the past with all yeah, lookat you.

Frank (55:44):
You're not living out this like narrative of your past
at all you're moving forward oh, I broke that generational
trauma.

April (55:50):
Oh, it's not even happening anymore, and um I've
really.
But, like I said, I've done alot of work for myself to get to
the point that I am at now andit's one of the hardest things I
did.
Yeah, and I was afraid I wasgoing to hurt people because of
my people pleasing side, but itwas one of the best things I've

(56:10):
ever did in my life and I highlyrecommend it for everyone, even
though it's hard.

Frank (56:17):
I mean, you used your, your the trauma and abuse that
happened to you and now it'slike a tool in your toolkit for
connecting to other people andhelping them work through their
stuff.

Lauren (56:28):
Exactly and you know, like hearing you talk about it,
just you can tell that you'vedone so much work.
Because of the way you're, it'slike you don't have the
attachment to it, like you don'thave the attachment to the
story and it's not.
It's like those are things thathappened, but that doesn't
define me and you're not likeliving into your story, which is

(56:51):
such a huge part of traumahealing.
I learned Reiki at thebeginning of this podcast.
When we started it, it was likelet's see what this is all
about.
And then it became this hugetrauma healing journey for both
of us, because I was like, guesswhat?

April (57:12):
You got to heal a bunch of shit if you want, to A bunch
of shit that you got to heal.
Develop and grow and all thatstuff, but you guys dug the shit
together because a lot ofpeople don't have that.

Frank (57:24):
I know, yeah, we're very, very fortunate.

Lauren (57:26):
Yeah, we we recognize that.
We're very grateful for eachother's support.
Beautiful, wow, that's.
Thank you for sharing that.
That's such a story.

April (57:37):
I feel like if my story can help others, then I'm open
to saying it because, like yousaid, I'm not attached to it.
Um, it's what molded me intowhat I am today and I'm grateful
for it.
Yeah, um, the lessons that welearned throughout our life.
Without those lessons, Iwouldn't be where I am today and
I wouldn't be able to helpothers the way that I can today.

(57:58):
So I'm grateful for theexperiences, even the bad ones,
because it brought me to here Itotally.

Lauren (58:08):
I relate to that so much because I've had, like you know
, I lost my brother at 22.
Like, my parents divorced whenI was young, like I experienced
infertility and all these thingsthat I'm like if I can't use
these experiences to help myfriends or help people on our
podcast, then like it was allfor nothing.

(58:30):
You know, like I gotta at leastlike, like you said, it helps
mold you or shape, shape who youare and you learn from those
things exactly and I love.

April (58:42):
I love who I am and that's something else that I had
to learn.
Um, it's not like an egoishlove.
Um, yeah, I just love who I'vebecome and how I can help others
.
So through the experience, Isay, like even anything in tarot
, mediumship, psychism, anyspiritualist, anything once you

(59:03):
start walking into it and youopen that door, your trauma
healing is going to start.
Because in order to connect withany of that, you have to work
on yourself and unfortunately,in the way society has raised a
lot of us, we hold back ouremotions and then we don't know
how to navigate those emotions.
So learning to navigate it asan adult is something that we

(59:25):
should have been taught aschildren.
Because a saying that I'veheard and I love this from Mel
Robbins, I absolutely love hershe says that a lot of adults
are still eight years old in anadult body.
Yeah, so you look at, say,someone say there's a man and he

(59:49):
gets upset at his wife and hestarts stomping around or throws
her the silent treatment.
That's something aneight-year-old would do, but
that's because they weren'ttaught how to receive that
emotion.
Sit in that emotion instead ofjust reacting on it, yeah, so,

(01:00:11):
yeah, it's just totally thegateway of everything.

Lauren (01:00:14):
Yes, working through it as it comes.
We're like always because ofwhat we've learned with our
seven year old, who's got bigemotions.
It's always like, OK, let'stalk through this.
Let's like work through thisprocess, feel the emotions and
now let's figure out how to dealwith it and process it.

April (01:00:38):
You know, and you know that's actually another thing
for me my son, my oldest, jordan.
He was diagnosed ADHDhyperactivity at the age of five
, with OCD tendencies.
It was very hard as a mother toraise and to find the patience,
because with raising a childlike that, you have to find that

(01:01:00):
patience within yourself.
Um, and you know, unfortunately, throughout school, he's big
football player, big um intoweightlifting, all this such a
good kid, very smart, 4.2 gpa,um, like amazing.
But he went through bullying atschool and, um, that was one of

(01:01:22):
the hardest points of my life.
That is one of the points of mylife that I can say like that
wants to bring those emotions upfor me, just because of how
hard it was and this was onlytwo years ago for me um, he, he
went through suicidal, hesuicidal tendencies.
He tried to act on it at onepoint.

(01:01:42):
So, going through that as welland still having faith, you know
, like with spirit, with dust, Ijust remember praying and this
him getting me through it.
And now, since this was middleschool, and now since he's been
in high school, I'm telling youit's complete 360.

(01:02:04):
He's so smart, he's, you know,athletic.
He's got all these friends.
Like what that experiencetaught me how easy it could be
gone.

Frank (01:02:15):
Yeah.
So let me ask you this is goingto sound like I'm going into
parenting advice, but there's abigger, there's a bigger story
here how do you manage so whenyou have a child who's getting
bullied right, you are andyou're trying to coach them
through that, but the the thingthat's occurring to them is
still very active, right?

(01:02:37):
So you you're basically get toonly coach from a on the victim
side and you have a severe lackof control, which is, like, as a
parent, one of the mostfrustrating things that you can
deal with, because you yeah, how, how did you?
How did you work through that?
Specifically, and for peoplewho don't have children, this is

(01:02:59):
about controlling things thatare not in your control through
a child so well.

April (01:03:05):
Police report one um, there's a few advice.
I like that yeah, yeah, policereport.
Um, don't fight the principal,even though you want to right
now like, oh my gosh, and it washer son that was doing it.
To my son, no, her son and agroup of more.

(01:03:26):
So it was a nightmare.
That's why there was policereports involved.
That's why there was almost mewanting to fight her in front of
the cast in the gymnasium, butI kept my cool because I had to
be there for my son.
So those old high school metaking my shoes off and my
earrings off is gone.

Frank (01:03:46):
Square up, square up.

April (01:03:50):
The cop was laughing because I'm like you really
gonna let her do this, butanyways, just being there for
him.
Just being there for him, havingpatience with him, not trying,
I hate to say it, but not likeoverly parenting, because I
found out once I would startlike giving my advice or you

(01:04:12):
know, this needs to happen onthis that just gave him more
anxiety.
So, just knowing that I lovehim, that I'm here for him, that
we're going to get through thistogether, no matter what, um,
and giving him space even thoughit's one of the hardest things
that I could have done at thattime, um, because leaving him

(01:04:34):
alone scared the, the G, scaredeverything out of me, like
that's the biggest fear.
Um, and finding that trustagain within him, um.
But once I started giving himthe space and stopped dwelling
on the past or just and honestly, I took him out of therapy.

(01:04:56):
I had him in therapy.
He did not want to be intherapy whatsoever.
He was seeing a few differenttherapists.
He didn't want to talk, didn'twant to communicate.
For him, what worked for him wastaking him out of it and not
making him forced to do it.
And knowing that I'm here forhim, he started really getting

(01:05:17):
into athletics and lifting andhis grades.
So he found other things forhim to really help him on his
path and I'm going to be honest,his football coach, mr Griswold
, is one of the best people Ihave found for him in my life.

(01:05:38):
Uh, he really helped himthrough all of the emotions that
he was trying to hide andreally gave him what like a team
is about, um, and really justhelped him mentally through it.
Like, uh, he has I forget whatthe class is called, but they go
through all the emotions andhow to control and how to

(01:05:59):
navigate the waters of emotions.
So that really yeah, he helpedsave my son.

Frank (01:06:06):
Honestly, that's amazing.
Mr Griswold might be bad attaking his family on vacation,
but he's a great coach.

Lauren (01:06:14):
Oh, good grief, Frank.

Frank (01:06:15):
You can't just say Griswold in my space and not
have me think of Clark Clark.

Lauren (01:06:22):
I'm sorry for all that you went through.
That's really reallychallenging and like a nightmare
, and thank you again forsharing that.
That's If I can help anyone,yeah.

Frank (01:06:36):
So, if I can distill a little bit and tell me if I'm
taking this is the wrongtakeaway, it it seems like
because I'm trying to relatethis to people who have kids,
but also people really what itcomes down to is, it seems like,
especially when, when kids arebeing bullied or when you are
bullying yourself over thecircumstances, it comes back to
that narrative, right, you'rehaving people try and tell you

(01:06:58):
who you are and then also, likeit was really interesting when
you said you took him out oftherapy, because at a certain
point you have this hyper focusand it becomes your entire story
.
You're focusing on it so much,yeah, when, like, a couple of
jerks at school are just, it'sjust one scenario and that's not
even real life, right.

Lauren (01:07:16):
Yeah.

Frank (01:07:19):
You got your son into a different environment where,
like this, is a completelydifferent story, this is a
completely different narrativeand has nothing to do with those
, those people.
And now he's getting to likekind of chase his own, his own
story, writing it the way hewants and the idea.

April (01:07:31):
Find out they're on the football team with oh wait oh
yeah, so even when, um, but hehas also found his voice and
stood up for himself.
He's six foot two.
He weighs like 215 pounds.
He's almost holy cow he's only16 and he worries about hurting

(01:07:55):
somebody like he's.
Like mom.
I know that I could protectmyself, but I don't want to hurt
anybody and I'm like I love youand you are most definitely my
son because yeah what a guy he'sa real couple of you and roy.

Lauren (01:08:11):
I mean from everything I know about roy as well.
What a family here's Roy.

Frank (01:08:22):
Look at Roy.
That's a million dollar smileright there.

April (01:08:24):
That's my honey.
That was a little while ago.

Frank (01:08:31):
That's awesome, you guys are so cute.

Lauren (01:08:32):
I love that.

Frank (01:08:35):
I was going to say also that idea of you know, just
because someone says somethingabout you or because you say
something about yourself,doesn't make it true right, I
mean the, the real lesson andall that is that, like whether
whether you're, whether yourbullies are external or internal
, it's, they're still likedefining you in a way you don't

(01:08:56):
want yeah and that's you knowthat's even worse when you have
the internal bullies as well ontop of it oh, yeah, right you
have to rewire that thought,rewire that brain um negative
thoughts bring on negativity inyour life and I've had to learn
that.
Yes, yeah, yeah yeah, it's funnybecause also there is something

(01:09:19):
to like I don't know how tovocalize it properly, but like
you need to.
I don't want to say you can'tlike run away from your problems
, right, but you can create newenvironments where you actually
thrive instead of are justsurviving, right, and that's
what seems what.
What happened here?

April (01:09:35):
yeah so yeah sometimes a few you have to look at it too,
um, from every perspective, notjust the negative one.
So for me that's how my brainworks like, okay, this happened,
but what positivity came out ofit, what growth came out of it?
Um, and I think that reallyhelps me with just navigating

(01:09:57):
life and my emotions, because Ican look at all the different
perspectives right.

Frank (01:10:02):
I mean, look what growth came out of your, your traumas,
like you're an amazing personout there helping people.
Now it's just more tools.

April (01:10:08):
If you get through the pain, you get more tools in your
toolkit exactly, exactly howcool is that everybody man, I
wasn't expecting such a such adeep trauma healing conversation
this is something that Ihonestly want to help others

(01:10:29):
with, so I'm becoming aspiritual life coach at the
moment um learning so yeah, soI'm gonna be certified in that
soon and that's something that Iwant to offer, because I want
people to have a safe space totalk about it and not be judged.

Frank (01:10:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's a big deal.
Well, while we're at it, whydon't you give everybody your
plugs and tell them where tofind you?
And then I'm going to hold onto you for a second just so I
can hear that NDE story, andwe're kind of over time, but I
want to hear the story anywayand maybe I'll release it like
separately or something.
I don't know if that's okaywith you.

Lauren (01:11:04):
Yeah, that's perfectly fine, we have a Patreon.
We like to put little extrabits on there.

April (01:11:10):
So I love it.
So you can find me.
I go, I'm on TikTok.
How this all started for mewith my and now I have a website
.
All this it was during COVID.
You know, I wasn't really inTikTok before COVID and then I
met so many amazing people, um,through TikTok, like I said,
they're my soul family.
Now I mean, I travel across thecountry for these people.

(01:11:32):
So how do I do that for my ownfamily?
Um, but yeah, so TikTok iswhere it started and I go on
there and I do free readings.
A lot of times there's me andother mediums or psychics on
there, tarot readers.
So that's where I started andthat's where you can find me,

(01:11:53):
because a lot of other socialmedia, like Insta and all that,
it's really hard to go live fromthere and like with multiple
people and I like to bringpeople up in the box when I give
them free readings so I canhear your voice, I can see you.
We can really.
Um, I'm also uh, I'm also ateacher through embrace spirit
academy.
Um, I'm the co-owner of it withmy good friend, psychic medium

(01:12:16):
reggie.
He's amazing, he's my tech guyjust saying like you said that
he's my tech guy, yes, so wehave embraced spirit academy.
We offer psychic mediumshipdevelopment, because you can be
psychic and not a medium.
So you cannot be a medium andnot be a psychic.
You have to learn um all that.

(01:12:38):
So there's development sundaysand tuesdays, and um, then we
also have sound bowl healingsmeditations on wednesdays with
our good friend rose.
She's also a part of theartistry of mediumship tour as
well.
Um, and then I have my website,which is sacreddreamersimdefcom
, which is on your guys' links.

(01:13:00):
Cool, yeah, we'll put it in theshow notes Great.

Frank (01:13:03):
And you know what.

April (01:13:05):
I have an event coming up .
Let me just make sure of thedate because this was just
announced and it's free.
So if anyone is wanting todevelop their psychic mediumship
abilities, we're having an openhouse through Embrace Academy,
so it's absolutely free.
Come in and check it out.
Um, I know a lot of people havea lot of fear um coming into

(01:13:25):
development.
Um, because of judgment.
We make sure that it's ajudgment-free space and it we
love notes, get a yes becausethat's going to teach you that
you're not in the flow of spiritand it's going to teach you to
get those yeses.
So we're just really big onjust feeling safe and feeling

(01:13:45):
not judged and just having funwith exercises and other things.
So it is going to be April 26that 2 pm Eastern Standard Time
and that's free.
You can find all the links inmy bio at TikTok and through
here, I think, right.

Lauren (01:14:04):
Yes, is that in person or on Zoom?
It's on Zoom.

April (01:14:08):
Cool.
So yeah, that's how all of ourclasses are held is over Zoom,
and you know we're justexpanding.
We just had our one-yearanniversary with it.
And it's been been so amazingand I'm just.
I couldn't be happier where Iam in life and so grateful just
to help other people and see howhow far they've come along

(01:14:30):
their journeys, and watchingthat unfold in front of my eyes
is amazing.

Frank (01:14:34):
April.
Thank you so much for comingand talking to us today.

Lauren (01:14:37):
This was so much fun.
Thank you so much, it wasamazing.
You, today, this was so muchfun.
Thank you so much, it wasamazing you guys are so sweet.

April (01:14:42):
Have a great day bye.

Frank (01:14:53):
Talk to you soon on your spiritual journey.
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