071: Trusting Flow and Living in Harmony // with Banah Winn

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What happens when you completely surrender to your intuition? Banah Winn shares his remarkable journey from stoic indie rock musician to intuitive healer and creator of transformative "Harmony" events.

During the isolated days of the pandemic, Banah developed a pragmatic system for testing and trusting his intuition. By methodically tracking the physical sensations accompanying his impulses and their outcomes, he discovered his body was offering guidance about future events, not just reacting to past experiences. This revelation led him to fundamentally restructure his life around intuitive flow.

After years performing with an indie rock band, Banah now leads "Harmony" events – holistic, intuitive concerts where audience intentions guide the entire experience. These gatherings transform into collective flow states where, as Banah describes, "the whole crowd turns into a flock of birds and you can't really tell who's leading."

Whether you're curious about developing your intuition, breaking free from limiting patterns, or finding more authenticity in your creative expression, this conversation offers practical wisdom from someone living these principles daily. 

To learn more about Banah or to book a session with him:

Visit: https://linktr.ee/banahwinn

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Lauren (00:01):
Hello, in this episode, frank and I chatted with Bona
Nguyen, an intuitive healer andmusician.
We talked about how he createdhis own path to developing his
intuition, going on tour withhis harmony events, and how
powerful it is to set a coreintention in anything you do.
I'm Lauren Leon and I'm ahustler baby, oh boy.

(00:24):
We are a married couplelearning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode71 of Claire Voyaging.
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Frank (02:36):
Write that for you are you sure I mean the second?
You started saying it.
I could tell you're like, oh no, this is unnatural of course it
is.

Lauren (02:42):
But you know what guys?
Lauren gpt wrote that it's true, though.

Frank (02:47):
It's true, though, and it's very exciting that we have
this right true poor drew isjust getting called out.

Lauren (02:54):
Every single episode.
Now enthusiasm, let's go okay,on to bana.
I think you're going to beinspired by bana's story and how
I was he, he lives in the flow,like that's kind of just where
he wants to be, which I am veryinspired by yeah he was telling

(03:14):
us how he kind of set up like aprocess for himself to develop
his own intuition, like a system, and I think that's very cool.

Frank (03:25):
You know that scary zone that you always want to live in,
but you're like you plan aroundit so much and you're like this
isn't really flow.
Bona has learned how to beat init all the time.
Yeah, and he's bringing it toother people and maybe to a
stage near you.
Want to know more?

Lauren (03:40):
Oh yeah, keep listening, friends.

Frank (03:42):
Also we, oh yeah.

Lauren (03:43):
Keep listening, friends.
Yeah, Also we you know, thiswas the first person that we
interviewed that said before westart, do you want to set a core
intention for this conversation?
Yeah, and we were like, yeah,that's awesome, let's do that.

Frank (03:58):
And you know what?
We all went around, we said itYou'll hear it.
And mission accomplished.

Lauren (04:03):
Yeah, and you'll hear it .
And mission accomplished.
Yeah and uh, you'll hear thatbefore we even like introduce
him, so yeah, and then you'llhear me try to plan around it
yeah and literally be theopposite of yeah I biffed it
from the go, so watch me learnyeah, that's.
That's what's so fun abouthaving just different guests
from all walks of life, and welearn every single time we talk

(04:27):
to somebody new.
I hope you do too.

Banah (04:30):
Yeah.

Lauren (04:31):
And with that send it twinkle, twinkle, little friend,
nope, nope.
And with that up, up and away.

Banah (04:45):
I think I think my one thing is we don't have to do it,
but I always like to.
So I tend to like live my lifetotally in flow, but at the
beginning of like a meeting orcontainer, I always like to set
a core intention and then havethat be the guiding light of it.
So so maybe I ask you guys likelike, what would your core
intention be as a result of, ofour time together?

(05:06):
Oh, that's fun.

Lauren (05:08):
I love that.

Frank (05:08):
I like that too.

Lauren (05:09):
No one has asked that or or set that at all.
They're like we're in theseventies with our episode now.
Episode numbers now and yeah,that's so great.

Frank (05:23):
Well then, okay, so why don't we have usually we
haveuren introduced, like whoyou are, and then ask you, or I
guess in this case we can justbe like mention that that we
might want to do a coreintention thing, and then, and
then we'll go into like keepthat in there, and then yeah,
yeah I'll keep this in thereyeah, keep the thing of like.

Lauren (05:39):
Before we start.

Frank (05:40):
We have a core, core intention oh okay, oh okay, sure
, I guess I'm overthinking it.
That's what.

Lauren (05:47):
I do, and then we'll launch into tell us tell your
backstory.
Um what do you have?

Frank (05:54):
any did anything just come to mind Core intention.
I would love for people to havea better understanding of who
you are authentically and likewhat you feel, like you bring to
the world through your ownpersonal experience even if that
means that there were somedifficult times in there and and
how you are either working outof that or where you've ended up

(06:15):
.
So just so I can learn fromfrom your experience yeah, I'm.

Lauren (06:22):
I'm always finding like inspiration in other people's
stories.
So, and even just you sayinglike you live your life in flow,
I'm like what does that mean?
So I'd love a core intention oflike understanding what that
means and how like I or otherpeople can potentially kind of

(06:44):
find that in their own lives.

Banah (06:47):
I love it, I think, I think, uh, I know my core
intention is to is to is tolearn too, and and to speak and
have a conversation in a waywhere I learn, you guys learn,
and the audience also gets tolearn, and we all get to grow
together and do it in a way thatis really um, where everyone

(07:09):
you two and me and everyone whowatches gets to feel uplifted by
the end.

Lauren (07:13):
That's my intention yes love it okay, that's fantastic.

Banah (07:18):
Thank you for doing that, yeah, that's really fun like
that's so great and now we justget to have fun with that.
Yeah, we're just like jumpingright in.

Lauren (07:25):
Okay, well then, with that, Bona, welcome to our show.
Claire Voyaging Yay, we're sohappy that you're here.
Give us a little backstory,Give us some info about how you
got into what you're doing now.

Banah (07:42):
Ah okay, where do I start what you're doing now?
Ah okay, where do I start?
I've been a lifelong musicianand, um, I've also always been,
I guess, very like sensitive ina way.
Um, so, like the beginning partof my life, I was very stoic

(08:02):
and I just shoved it all down.
Um fact, I I was, uh, so I grewup with, uh, I had hippie
parents, but I did not grow upreligious and I, and my
rebellion from my hippie parentswas to be like more normal
really, oh my god okay, becauseyou know the 70s, they'd already

(08:23):
taken it so far and I was like,well, I'm gonna rebel against
that and I have to be like, tryto be like normal and fit in
yeahand so I was very fiercely
agnostic and didn't believe inanything spiritual or anything
like that.
Um, I was a musician, lived inla for about 12 years, total
indie kid, um, yeah, and then ithad basically like a what I

(08:46):
call spiritual awakening when Ilived in LA and it it really
just opened me up to the idea ofwell, something that I had
always been fascinated with isthe idea of intuition, and that
it didn't have to be this likecrazy thing.
It could be really grounded andpragmatic.
And it actually started duringcovid, when there was nothing

(09:07):
else to do.
Uh, I started to test intuition, um, because I I originally was
I came across abraham hicks andI didn't like understand what
she was saying.
I didn't really get it, but likesomething in me me like was
like whoa, this feels reallydifferent than anything else
I've ever felt, and, of course,at that time there was nothing
to do.

(09:27):
So and also, like you know, wewere all going through a lot of
changes.
I was, you know, kind of goingthrough an introspective, very
deep introspective process atthe point, and I remember her
saying that like what you feelcan also be in anticipation to
what is to come, not just areaction to what had happened,

(09:52):
and at that point in my life Iidentified as someone who
basically had zero emotionalintelligence.
My emotions just completely ranthe show and I didn't know how
to navigate them or understandthem.
They just were like thesecontrolling entities, and so the
idea that these things that Iwas feeling, that were so strong
, could also be giving meinformation on what was going to

(10:15):
come, as opposed to just areaction to the crap I'd already
been through, I was like, noway, I don't believe it.
But then I was like, well, Imight as well test it and find
out.
So I devised my own system totest it and find out, which
essentially was like every timeyou get an impulse or an
inspiration to do something,it's correlated with a feeling

(10:37):
or emotion in the body, and so Istarted to log those just in my
own mind, like, oh, I should goto the store and I feel this
feeling in my chest right there,and then I would go, and then
I'd like run into someone I knewand it would be very like
synchronistic and magical, andI'd be like, oh, okay, the next
time I get impulse and I getthat feeling, maybe I'm going to
follow it and they do it againand the same result would happen
.
Okay, I can trust that one.

(10:58):
Or, like you know, you get likeI should go on this night, walk
around my neighborhood and walkdown this dark street and I'm
like that's a weird feeling inmy stomach and then had like a
face to face with a coyote andlike chase me down the block.
I don't think they're reallydangerous, but it was like at

(11:19):
the time the feeling was reallyscary and I was like, okay, next
time I get that feeling.
Feeling it means don't do that,stop whatever you're doing if a
rabbit started chasing me, Iwould run too, so I think it's
more about the four legs thananything so point being is, I
started to test it and then onething led to another and and I

(11:39):
basically just went full in onit and I was like, oh, I could
just live my whole life this way, um, and everything could just
be synchronistic and magical.
And that led me to living in.
I left LA and I lived in Sedonafor about a year and I worked
at the two top psychic centersthere.
I'd never done psychic readingsand I just walked into both of

(12:01):
them.
I especially had this like ideaand manifestation where I was
like, well, if they're psychic,shouldn't they just know, and I
should not have to job interview?
And that happened with the onethat I worked at for nine months
, which is like the top psychiccenter in Sedona, if not the
country.
Um the owner said I'm psychicand she's legit psychic.

(12:22):
She was the first psychic inSedona.
She built the whole industrythere.
Psychic, and she's legitpsychic.
She was the first psychic inSedona, she built the whole
industry there.
She said I like you, I likeyour energy, you're gonna work
here.
And then, when a room opened up, I ended up in the in the room,
which is funny enough.
That was the only room I hadever gotten a reading, a psychic
reading, in ever in my life andI ended up.
The guy moved out of that roomand it ended up becoming my room

(12:42):
.
Um, yeah, so that?

Lauren (12:45):
was kind of a crazy story, yeah, yeah.

Banah (12:47):
And then that led to um.
Music got sort of integratedback in that process.
You know, throughout the wholething, and I created this idea
called harmony, which isbasically like a call, like a
holistic concert or you couldcall it like a conscious sing
along, um, but it's basically,you know, three pillars it's

(13:08):
improvisation, music and acompletely collective experience
.
And so I have my guitar and Istart and I've done it with
groups, you know, as small asjust a few people to like.
The biggest one I did was about150 people, just me and my
guitar, and obviously like hadan amplifier too.
But and the same thing, how westarted, you know, this meeting

(13:29):
is I.
The only format I have is ishave everyone sit down, just
call themselves setting anintention, and then you read
into everyone's intentions inthe group.
But if it's a really big group,obviously people don't need to
say it one by one, but I canfeel the intention of the group
and then, I just tune in and thechannel comes through and
basically their intentionbecomes the guiding light for

(13:51):
every micro decision that getsmade for the next hour to an
hour and a half and it's just acomplete and utter flow state,
and the best ones like it feelslike the whole crowd turns into
a flock of birds and you can'treally tell who's leading, but
like everything is perfect andworking perfectly and and it
actually becomes like a, youknow, a sober but psychedelic
experience because, like theconsciousness in the room raises

(14:13):
so much through just play, likejust having fun and just being
free, um, that people feel likethey've they've had these like
sort of like multidimensionalexperiences and you know,
incredible healing experiencesjust through like singing and
dancing around and being sillyand making sounds and moving our
bodies and and and that's it.
So I, so I toured the countryum last year for about six

(14:37):
months, um, and talk about leapof faith.
It was just one after anotherwith with no plan, and I did
three tours and about 55 shows,um, and then and then that ended
about last Thanksgiving andI've just been chilling and

(14:57):
grounding since then, kind offocusing on doing things online
before I go out and do my nextstint, but but at some point it
will probably be next year Iwant to do, I want to do a year
where I do like 200 in a year,like, really like, really,
really, really go for it, um, sothat's, that's like, that's
like in the back of my mind.
This this might not be the year.
I might still try to do like ahundred in the second half of
this year, um, but it'ssomething I'm really dedicated

(15:20):
to building, cause it's it thebuilding, because it's it's such
a collective healing thing.
So, um, and then I guess thelast thing I'll say is because
I've also brought that online,um, I've started an online
community and so it's wherepeople can get that sort of
experience that they get inperson, that they get from
online community.
And I also started teaching, uh,what I call like a belief

(15:43):
breakthrough.
So I, throughout all my years,I developed this process to help
break subconscious beliefs,because which was incredibly
important for me, especially ifI was going to go make these
like what seemed like crazydreams happen Because to go from
like at the beginning of lastyear, like I felt afraid to even
play an open mic for somereason, I just was like, like

(16:04):
very shut down to doing 55 ofthese and like just driving all
over the country.
It took so much like breakinglimiting beliefs, breaking fear,
breaking fear, breaking fear.
So I developed a really simpleprocess, um, that I also teach
other people to do that, and um,because the, the events are
very completely intuitive driven.

(16:25):
My life is completely intuitivedriven.
I also teach intuitive andpsychic development too, because
I much rather teach people howto tune into their own compass
and their own awareness, asopposed to just like doing
readings and being like in fourdays, blah, blah, blah, it's
going to happen.
It's like, um, the classic.
Yeah, I don't really feel thatanymore.

(16:46):
So, yeah, that's it.
That's.
That's kind of the gist of it.

Lauren (16:51):
I have so many questions and I love, I love all, I love
all of this.

Frank (16:56):
Let me make a comment really quick.
Yeah, I'll let I'll unleash you.
I just want to say likeno-transcript I appreciate that.

Banah (17:39):
I think, like the, the, the details of it are well,
they're miraculous and they'rewonderful.
But the one thing I've I wantedto get really good at and of
course I'm still working on islike how good can I be at
constantly moving into theunknown and trusting, and how
relaxed can I feel doing it?

(18:00):
And that's, it's still achallenge.
So I would just like push.
Last year I pushed my edgeslike as hard as possible.
Um, yeah, and it was.
It was really miraculous andwonderful and yeah.

Lauren (18:12):
So like the the more you keep questioning that, I
imagine like the more you learn.
Because I don't know.
I feel like staying in that thecomfort zone, or like the
safety net and not branching out, like you're never going to
expand or grow or learn, but Ilove how you're just like let's

(18:35):
see what happens.
Every day, every moment overand over and over again.

Banah (18:42):
That's really cool and seeing like how it's interesting
, because like it I mean itcertainly wasn't a stress-free
experience like yeah, becauseeverything.

Frank (18:53):
What was your like strategy for staying calm during
while you were pushing yourself?

Banah (18:57):
uh, I meditate a lot and um and also like, especially
last year, I like I basicallydid all this with with no
pragmatic safety net, um, and noplan B, and a lot of times like
it, everything feel, everythingfelt like it was like down to

(19:21):
the wire.
It was like it kind of it, kindof it kind of felt like maybe
like a little more dramatic thanhow I want to live my life now.
And this winter, this winter,I've been like like, okay, we
could just like take it easy.
Man, it was kind of seeing howfar I could push it.
Um, yeah, I don't like the wordpush, but like but how how much
I could extend trust.

(19:47):
And when I look back on it andif I just write down the magical
things that would happen,because when I go out on tour,
it would be like I wouldn't evenhave the whole tour booked.
I wouldn't even know where I wasgoing to go sometimes.
And like sometimes, within likethree days I go from like no
shows, like I wouldn't have anyshows booked, all of a sudden
then I'd have like 10 and then Ihave a whole route wrapped up

(20:11):
and then I'd be like, oh no,there's this gap and I don't
know where to go that day.
And then someone would justlike text me and be like, do you
want to come to the city?
You can stay for three days.
And so it would just be like.
It was just like, and I wouldjust end up in like very high
vibe, like spiritual environmentafter another, like wouldn't
know I was gonna sleep thatnight, and someone would be like
here's my meditation room andlike all the like you know,

(20:34):
yogananda and babaji, and likeall the masters would be on the
wall and I'd be like, okay, Iguess that's the frequency I'm
in.

Lauren (20:41):
That's so great wait what?

Frank (20:43):
just out of curiosity, like what were you using to try
and book shows?
Like what was what's your, yourmedium, your medium?

Banah (20:51):
different word on the show just mostly through friends
and network and sometimes likerarely like Facebook groups, or
yeah, I'm trying to think, yeah,it would just be like one thing

(21:14):
would lead to another, like thefirst show came from.
I had actually decided I wasgoing to move to Austin, texas,
and I was there for two monthsand then my savings ran out and
I had a choice which is eitherlike go and get a normal job and
then like stay in Austin.
But I was like, oh, but Ireally want to tour.
And I was like, well, thatdoesn't make any sense.
You just ran out of money.
You're going to go on tour andtake this huge risk right now.

(21:35):
And and what happened, is Ilike on that same day, um, I had
a, a friend, hit me up and he'slike, oh, I got to connect you
with this guy in Berkeley,california, and we did, and the
guy had like so much excitementto him.
And it turns out later on,later on, it's just like totally
his personality abouteverything.

(21:59):
That's funny and it likesnowballed, like really fast
until like within an hourconversation to be like okay,
I'm coming to berkeley, we'redoing a show there on this date,
and I was like okay, I was likeI guess I gotta see if I can
book a tour around that.
And I just sent out a bunch ofmessages, like the people I'd
known in other cities, and and Ijust got yes, yes, yes, yes,

(22:21):
yes, yes, yes.
And that started the first one.
And then you know, and then Ijust kind yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes, yes.
And that started the first one.
And then, you know, and then Ijust kind of rolled from there.

Frank (22:26):
It was yeah how are you pitching this performance?
Um, I promise I'll stop askingweird, boring questions in a
minute.
How did I pitch the performance?
I?

Banah (22:38):
I well, I guess my pitch has developed over time, um, but
it's called harmony.
I call it like a conscious singalong, yeah, okay, so like non,
non dogmatic, conscious singalong.
You know, people want to getthe same feeling at church, but
like there's, I'm not likeanti-religion, it's just like it
could just be, for if you, youknow, if you are in a church,
then it's for you.
If you're not, still for you,we're just.

(23:05):
We're just going to worship joyand like be like big kids and
have a good time and and alsolike if the group is like really
heavy, and down then then we'regoing to heal some shit.

Lauren (23:12):
Are you singing your songs?
Are you singing like well-knownsongs?

Banah (23:18):
No, it's all original.
Yeah, I do a lot of call andresponse to the crowd.

Lauren (23:23):
Oh, okay.

Banah (23:24):
Okay, yeah, original, yeah, I do a lot of call and
response.
Teach it to the crowd.
Oh, okay, okay, yeah, so, soeverything is meant to be um,
basically you could just do iton the spot, like this, like the
songs I've written for this, Ihave a bunch of like fastballs
that if I need a thing at acertain spot I can do it, like I
have.
You know, I have one song thatI know like I could take, you
know, people from still to likejumping up and down and like
screaming kind of thing and getthem super hype.

(23:45):
It takes about like it takesabout five minutes and it
doesn't take any explanation,like that was.
That was the whole thing about.
About it is that I wanted it tobe a flow.
I didn't want to.
I actually invented it in LA andI was going to a lot of
different like events, or peoplecall them like containers, and

(24:07):
at the beginning people wouldI'd be like, okay, I went to
this event and then they spent30 minutes explaining what we're
going to do and we spent 15minutes doing it and then we
spent 45 minutes talking aboutwhat we just did and like for me
, who likes to do things like itwould drive me nuts and like
for me, who likes to do thingslike it would drive me nuts.

(24:27):
Yeah, and so so, so, like I did.
You know, maybe I talk a littlebit more now, but I I took the
other end of the equation, whichI was like welcome everyone, I
have no idea what's going tohappen.
Let's set our intention andstart.
We would start and then, likethe songs are like it's call and
response here.
Here's the line blah, blah,blah.
I am a light, and you guyswould be like I am a light.
So it's like super easy to tocatch on to and it's like it

(24:50):
doesn't take a lot of effort onthe, the audience's part, and
then people feel safe and yeah,that's so great.

Lauren (24:58):
How, how much do you find that there's like a
timidness in the crowd?
Or are these people showing uplike I'm pumped, I'm?

Banah (25:08):
ready to sit with you by group, so group by group, and
it's always.
It's always like a beautifulpuzzle I get to uncover, because
when I first started them insanta monica, it was like the
group of people that came to thefirst one.
They were so open and so likelike they're still out of any

(25:29):
audience I've ever had in thecountry.
The first ones that I did werelike the craziest and like the
loudest and like the, and then,um, yeah, I've had other ones
where, like you know, you getmaybe it's not a big group and
people feel really shy to singand so you find a way and then
maybe it turns into a bit moreof a healing kind of thing or

(25:52):
the complexity of a group.
When you have half the groupthat just wants to go for it and
then the other half, that'slike and finding a way to bring
ever.
That happened to me a number oftimes and those actually can be
the most fun because then ifyou can get both groups to agree
and like and then everyonecomes up together, then, like
the party at the end, when, like, the people who didn't feel

(26:13):
like they were included now feelincluded, it's like
exponentially awesome andsatisfying as a facilitator, to
like get it all to come togetherthat's gotta be so you're very
you're using your intuition toreally tap into the like
collective energy of the groupthat's in front of you and
really like that's yeah, that'severything.

(26:35):
You just I'm literally that'slike we did in the beginning set
the intention and I just feel,my feel, my way to the result.

Frank (26:44):
How fun is that.

Lauren (26:45):
Yeah, that's, that's, that's awesome.
So, like just going back to yourlike intuition system that you
created when you were first kindof like I'm going to test this
out Um, have you found you saidyou felt a specific feeling like
in your chest where you werelike I'm going to go to the

(27:07):
store or whatever, and then aspecific feeling like in your
stomach that maybe felt.
Was it like more of that's kindof like a sick feeling or
that's like a?
I don't like that feeling Isthere?
Have you now like figured outwhat like the specific parts of
your body that are like a map toyour intuition?

Banah (27:29):
yeah, and the deeper I go , the more like nuanced it
becomes because, even though youknow we live in a world of,
like, great ups and great downs,there's everything in between,
and so, uh, one thing I realizedis, like a lot of times it's
not as clear as as like yeahVersus like no, yeah.

(27:53):
There's a lot of like complexstructures and especially when
you're dealing with other peoplelike intentions and and not
even intentions, but sometimesit's like you can.
Dealing with other people likeintentions and and not even
intentions, but sometimes it'slike you can you can feel like
it's really hard for things tobe compartmentalized completely,
so so I um yeah, I've justgotten a lot better at at, at

(28:17):
reading like the nuances andthen making decisions based on
like um.
Does this feel like more of ayes than more of a no?
You know kind of thing Causesometimes something starts out
like I've actually noticed.
This is kind of interesting.
That um, and you guys can dothis too is like if you ever try

(28:38):
to make a decision, you can belike how?
I would ask myself like howwill I feel if I do this?
Like option a, and then I'llclose my eyes and then you just
feel in your body and your bodywill basically give you a linear
journey feeling.
So like if it just immediatelyfeels amazing and continues to
feel amazing, then that meanslike the whole journey of that

(28:59):
experience will be that if inthe beginning you feel kind of
like like nervous and tense, butthen there's a really big
relief at the end and it feelswonderful, then it means like
there might be some challenge asyou initially move into that
experience, but then the actualresult or the learning you get
is like that is the, the essenceof the experience you have

(29:21):
there, kind of thing.

Lauren (29:23):
Yeah.

Banah (29:23):
Does that make sense?
Yeah?

Lauren (29:26):
We've talked recently, Frank and I, about a sacral yes
or a sacral no.
We've been learning about humandesign, yeah yeah, yeah, are
you guys generators?
We're both manifestinggenerators.

Banah (29:40):
Oh, cool Nice.

Lauren (29:42):
Yeah, both manifesting generators, oh, cool, nice, yeah
, um, but yeah, that idea oflike just but paying more
attention to like what my, howmy body is responding to a
situation, a decision, whateverit is like just, how does this
feel?
Yeah, so, if I let it settlefor a second, is my answer no

(30:04):
because of fear, or is it nobecause this does not feel right
or whatever?

Frank (30:10):
or the complicated version of my head is saying yes
and my heart is saying no.
How do you navigate that?
Because I'm very heady, so it'sbeen very interesting.
So, hearing you and explainyour experience, um, like you
know, without putting words inyour mouth, it almost sounds

(30:30):
like you're you were diving intowhat feels like an emotional
premonition of like things tocome yeah, I mean you could call
it that, but I think that'shappening to all of us all the
time.

Banah (30:43):
Yeah, because things are.
People talk about gut feeling.
That's what it is yeah, it's,it's a witnessing of building
energy and that and that likecame back to my fundamental
understanding about intuition orpsychic abilities or anything
like that is.
It all comes down to that, um,like the idea that and you know,

(31:05):
quantum physics is is nowproving this, that everything in
reality is energy, and so thatour and our joe dispensa talks
about this, like, our linearreality is actually more of a
dimensional reality, and so, um,things work in momentums, and
so the bigger the momentum, themore signs you get, and emotion

(31:28):
is often one of the first signs,and so what we're feeling is a
resonance building within us orwithin us, and correlated and
matched by reality andexperience.
And so the further along thattrail of resonance we get, the

(31:49):
louder it gets, the bigger thesigns get, and so that's why it
really, I mean, it pays to beable to listen to these kind of
things, because it can bepreventative, but it also can,
on the flip side, it canencourage us to move into the
unknowns, the unknowns being thedetails, like, like, for me, if

(32:11):
I know the essence of anexperience, is going to feel
like really loving and likerelief and wonderful, and like
euphoric.
I care as much about exact,exact, the exact details in
there, right?
No, no, because it's going tolike hold the essence of
probably at least one, if not alot of different aspects of

(32:32):
things that are like that Ipersonally like really enjoy,
because it's because it's onlylogical that if it's like really
euphoric and wonderful, thatwould include things that I
enjoy and that also other peoplelike you know that we are
meeting on that, on that, inthat type of experience, like in

(32:53):
that type of exchange and soand and and learning.
This doesn't mean that like I'veprevented myself from having
any contrast in my life, butit's also like I think it also
gives like a betterunderstanding where you, where I
kind of just see everything asa thread and still sometimes
like have to get big enoughwhere they like they manifest

(33:14):
and it's like somethingunpleasant that manifests and
and instead of being oh no, I'mgetting bent out of shape.
I'd be like, okay, thathappened.
What can I learn from it?
And is is it big enough for mybrain to understand what my part
in that is?
The faster I can understandwhat my part in that is and why
I'm unknowingly choosing itthrough belief, and this is

(33:35):
really why I started.
The belief process is like whatdo I believe?
You're talking about thedifferent parts of yourself.
Maybe the heart wants this andthe sacral wants this, because
our physical vessel is is like,um, yeah, I guess IFS talks
about this.
Like there's all thesedifferent parts, so old beliefs

(33:55):
get stored in the body likememory capsules.
That's why sometimes, whenpeople are manifesting, they
have so much trouble.
They'd be like I am this, I amthis, I I'm this, but then, like
the heart, deep in the heart,there's like a belief they don't
believe or that they don't know.
That's like putting out thesignal that's the opposite and
the opposite thing keepshappening.
That's why maybe your sacralfeels one way, but then the
heart feels different ways,because there's beliefs stored
in the different parts of body.

(34:16):
So, um, essentially what thisdoes is like you're able to look
at the reflections and thingsare coming into your life or
coming into my life, and andlearn from them faster and be
like okay, what's my part inthis?
And and it's giving me moreconfidence too, even if
something feels like kind of Ican't tell, if it's like kind of

(34:36):
uncomfortable or it's good,sometimes I'll just be like I'm
just going to make it bigger,because if I make it bigger, I'm
going to figure out what it isquicker, and it's kind of like
you kind of like rip the bandaidoff.
Then you don't want to do that.
I don't want to do it like allthe time, because I still want
to, you know, enjoy myself.
But if a theme comes up.

(34:56):
It's like I don't have to shy.
You know, if you shy away fromit and like resist it, it's
going to get bigger anyways.
So you might as well just belike, okay, let's lean into this
, let's see what happens.
All right, universe, give methe reflection, put me in a
situation or whatever.
You know, that's not too crazy.
And then I guess you go, oh, oh, wow, okay, no, I really feel
that.
Okay, now I'm very clear thatthat's what's happening with me.

(35:18):
What do I believe is true aboutmyself?
Oh, I believe that I'm not safeto explore this one aspect of
my life or something like that.
And then you can heal that onepart of you and basically
disconnect that timeline orfractal, or just, it know,
retrain the heart to send thatsignal to the brain, to be like

(35:45):
next time that happens, make adifferent decision, or next time
you're even not knowinglyheading towards something like
that, I'm actually going to sayno to that and I'm going to like
head this other direction.
Cause think about reality islike we have so many choices.
Like you'd be like, oh, I couldgo make a sandwich now, now, or
I could go to the burrito placenow, or I could.

(36:06):
You know what I mean?
It's like all these littlethings like it, like they seem
insignificant at the beginningbut they stack on top of each
other, one after another, afteranother, I think.

Frank (36:15):
I think so that was kind of a long rambling answer, but
no, I like it, I also like theidea of I've learned one thing
in that I to overcome the like,thinking about the details and
getting lost in that, to likeI've learned to trust my ability
to adapt and like, oh, I amvery heady, that means I'll be

(36:36):
able to, whatever happens, I'llbe able to work my way through
it or around it or whatever itmight be, instead of trying to
think of every possibility thatI'm about to step into the good
and the bad, you know, and like.
The other thing that you saidthat I really like is talking
about how, you know, you runinto some kind of conflict, or
and and correct me if I'mthinking about this incorrectly

(36:56):
you, you, you are, you know,imagining something that might
not go the way you want it, andmaking it bigger.
Well, what, what is that?
Like what's?
You know, for example, like Idon't know, I'm, I'm playing,
I'm playing a show, and like, ohmy gosh, what if my amp, uh,
you know stops working in themiddle of a song?
And, you know, make it bigger,okay, well, what if everyone,
what if my pants fall off too?

(37:17):
It's like, oh, okay, I'm reallyworried about what everyone's
going to think of me, orsomething.
You know what I mean and like,like what's what?
Yeah, how am I going to counterthat?
Cause that's the problem, it'snot the amp.
So I I do like that a lot.
That's a great, that's anamazing strategy.

Lauren (37:31):
But okay, how do you like, uh, how do you undo that
belief beyond just recognizingthat it exists?

Banah (37:44):
Uh, find where it is in your body and work with that
point.

Lauren (37:48):
And like say more.

Banah (37:52):
Yeah, I'll go on.
Okay, yeah, I'll just give youthe whole process, okay, okay.
So there's two ways to approachit.
One is it could be I know Ihave a limiting belief or
there's been some sort ofmanifestation.
That's happened, that's I've.
I've lived something that feltlimiting or unpleasant.

(38:13):
Okay, Okay.
So that's, that's, that's oneway or the other way.
Is I feel weird in this part ofmy body, body?
So basically you're trying toconnect the two.
So it's, I feel weird in thispart of the body.
Then you just go straight intothat part and you start speaking
and working with it.
If it's a manifestation or youknow, you have a belief, then

(38:36):
either the manifestation isprobably going to activate the.
If you're not in them, you'reprobably not going to want to do
this in the moment.
So say, after it happens, oh,this thing happened to me.
Usually what happens is we likemull over and reminisce about
this thing that happened.
Okay.
So as you're doing that, switchyour attention from what
happened to where you're feelingit within you okay yeah, it's

(38:58):
like it's.
It's usually stomach or heartmost of the time.
Um, you know, it could besacral or it could be a root
thing too, but it's, it's.
I mean yeah, anyways.

Lauren (39:10):
Or some people throw it, okay, so it could be any of
them, but um, I've done like ahealing meditation through my
like Reiki teacher, who had usthink about like a trauma that
we wanted to heal and like whereis it stored in your body?
So I realized like, oh, I wasexpecting it to be like in my
sacral, but it was in my likesolar plexus.

(39:31):
So then I'm like, okay, okay,this is making more sense to me.
Sorry, I need to let.
No, it's great.

Banah (39:38):
Yeah, sometimes it's not where you expect, but that's but
that is the key is to connectthe two, the story or the belief
, to where you feel it, and soonce you, once you, you know
where you feel it.
Okay, let's say it's in theheart, because you can see my
heart.
So then I would go in and I'm,I'm placing my attention on my
heart.

(39:58):
So to me it works best with myeyes closed and I'm, you know,
with your mind's eye, yourimagination, you're putting your
attention right on the core ofthat feeling and you just want
to be really like soft andneutral.
It's almost like sort of likeinner child work, where you're
treating this like it's.
It's its own small being, youknow, small, sensitive being

(40:20):
that clearly is has somethinggoing on and just saying, like
you know first, like hey, what'sgoing on, and and what you
really want to get to the rootof is like, what is that part of
me that feeling believe is trueand, even more of that, what
does it believe is true aboutitself?
Like, what do I believe is trueabout me to feel that way and

(40:43):
and and what I found is like,when I work with people on this,
sometimes like something reallyspecific will come out.
I'll be like george doesn'tlike me, you know, or whatever
like okay and then you just keepgoing down.
Okay, well, what does it believeis true about itself?
To believe that you know I'vehad trouble with these types of
of friendships in the past.
Okay, what does it believe istrue about?

(41:05):
what do I believe is true aboutmyself below that you know I
like, and you just keep goingdown and down and down until you
find and it'll be really like,simple, like yeah I'm not
lovable or something like that,like I had one in my stomach
that I was actually has beencoming up a bit lately and it's
manifested in a few differentways and it literally is the

(41:26):
belief that I'm alone.
And that's such a simple phrase.
But when I go into that part ofmy body and go down and down
and down and you hit the pointwhere you go what I believe is
true about myself, for all thesethings to be happening or to
feel this way, and then I hearlike I'm alone, and it's like,

(41:46):
oh crap, oh, that's it, that'sso core, oh my God.
And so this isn'tintellectualizing it, you're
there with it and the experience.
And from there it's reallyimportant to just accept it and
be really neutral with it,because the whole what you
resist persists and it's likeacknowledging like okay, this,

(42:08):
this has been happening, likethis is valid, right, is it an
ultimate universal truth?
No, is it a fact?
No, because facts can't bechanged.
Like there's certainly a formof consciousness or a being or a
person or an experience wheresomeone doesn't feel alone.
Okay, so I know that ispossible, but right now I am

(42:28):
acknowledging that this part ofmy body right there really feels
that way and that by itself canprovide a lot of relief.
And I think that's like 90 ofthe process and then from there
I'll usually do like my own sortof mantra system and sometimes
I'll tap, tap on that spot, justbecause it keeps your focus
there and it allows you knowwe're talking about being

(42:50):
physically stored in the body.

Lauren (42:52):
Yeah.

Banah (42:52):
And I would say something like well, I don't want to
believe that anymore.
Like, and you're speaking tothat, that energy, I don't want
to believe it anymore.
Okay, and it's like a ball andit starts to unwind and,
acknowledging that, I put faithand I put trust in the truth of
that belief and I'm like, well,I don't want to put faith or
trust in that belief anymore.

(43:13):
I just acknowledge that andunwind it.
And then you can get to a point, hopefully, where you just say,
like, well, I'm deciding, I'mmaking the decision, you're
coming into your power, I'mdeciding not to put faith or
trust on that anymore.
And that's usually enough totip it where I can go to a
positive one.
I'll be like well, I want to putfaith and trust that I'm
connected and I'm loved.

(43:34):
I'm deciding to put faith andtrust in the belief that I'm
connected and loved.
And so it's's, it's kind of you.
You work through the system oneby one and you'll, you'll be
able to feel your way there,because if you go too far, too
fast, the body will reject it,like when you're untangling an
old belief.
If I immediately looked at it,you know, and it was still like,
and I was like I don't believethat.

(43:56):
It would be like f you, yeah,and so you take this really soft
approach of, well, I don't wantto believe that and I don't
want to put my faith and trustin that, and actually I know
that something else is available.
So I'm going to decide not toput my faith and trust in that.
In fact, I'm just going todecide not to believe that
anymore.
I'm not denying it, but I'mjust deciding not to make that

(44:19):
my ultimate truth.
And then, once you get to thatpoint, then you can sort of
switch to the positive kind ofthing.

Lauren (44:24):
That's such a gentle way to treat your like, those deep
beliefs and such like.
Thank you for taking the timeto like say all that, because I
feel like there's such a, it'spart of the like.
Here's how you manifest in 30seconds and like there's all
this um, you know putting likeaffirmations out there, but it

(44:48):
feels like lying.
Yeah, it feels like you're lyingto your own body when it's like
, well, all you have to do isjust say this mantra over and
over.
But when you're not connectingit, like like you're talking
about, you're not connecting itto like your actual where it's
stored and you're not unwindingit, it's just you are like I'm

(45:11):
saying this lie over and over,like there's some part of you
that's like it has to be real,say yeah, feel safe.

Banah (45:17):
Or I'm saying what's the first indicator that something's
real?
you feel it, you know it yeah,yeah and it's like, once you've
done that, you've done themajority of the work, and then
you know, if you're talkingabout manifesting, then it's.
I guess there's a level oftrust.
But what I found is like, like,when I do this process really
well and then like and otherpeople I've worked with that do
it too is what happens isbecause you've changed the

(45:40):
subconscious, something newbecomes normal.
And so I would find that, say,I would walk into a situation
where I would normally feel shyor shut off.
Then I'd feel totally open andfree and I wouldn't even think

(46:00):
twice about it.
And then after I would leave,you know, maybe I left the place
and I was in my car and I waslike, wait, I did.
What was I?
I've never done that before thatjust felt really normal and it
was like, oh, because youchanged the subconscious belief
and the the.
The subconscious is the bodyand that's what runs the program

(46:20):
.
And so you just watch the newprogram run, which was like the
more loving and open one, theone that you actually wanted to
run, and it didn't feel likeacting, it just was who you were
.
And then only in retrospectwhere you're like whoa, I've
never done that before and likethat.
So that's like the effect thatthis can have.

Lauren (46:36):
Yeah, that's so great, but Frank, and that's so great,
but frank and I were talkingrecently about um, like he like
tapped into my like emotions fora minute one day two weeks ago.
Maybe it really helped me.

Frank (46:51):
I know I've brought this up to you guys psychically I oh
no you know, like we, likeeveryone, talks about their
emotions, but this was likesomething a little like more
interesting that I, that I wasshooting for, yeah, yeah, you
were like having this intuitivemoment.

Lauren (47:09):
But, um I, when I had heard of like, like again, I'm
going to talk about my reikiteacher but she had said like,
oh, if you're feeling're feeling, you know, if there's
situations where you don't feelsafe or secure, like safety,
security, belonging is part ofthe root chakra and I, for some
reason, hearing that you know,almost two years ago was like,

(47:32):
well, I don't really have that,I don't really have that issue,
I feel safe.
And then in the last few months, I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I
get that.
Now I understand the.
It's not just like I feel likeI'm going to be robbed at
gunpoint at any moment.
It's the comfort, the safety,the security of your environment

(47:55):
in general and the belonginglike your environment in general
, and the belonging something,something clicked for me in the
last couple of weeks withresetting or or like healing,
this idea for me, where I walkinto a setting and my brain
instantly goes, there'ssomething that says like you

(48:17):
don't belong here or like you'renot one of them.
You're not it's like so manysettings where I'm like I, then
I I don't know what to do withmyself.
I'm, I'm, I'm an actor.
Like I've been in improvclasses and every time I would
walk into this setting it waslike I'm, I made myself an

(48:39):
outcast for some.
Just even just the first day ofclass where I was like I feel
uncomfortable, I feel so weird,I don't belong here.
Everybody else is like betterthan me, this whole thing.
But it's the idea of just theidea of belonging and I've been
telling myself in settings now Ibelong here and like just kind

(49:05):
of reaffirming like it's okay tobelong here and like I can like
literally just telling myselfthat in a way that doesn't feel
untrue has, like you said, likeit's, it's shifted something for
me where I'm like, oh, I feelso much more comfortable because
even before I walk into thatspace, I'm saying I belong here,

(49:29):
it's okay, I'm safe, I belonghere.

Banah (49:34):
Do you feel like that's something that's totally shifted
for you and you feel clearernow?
Or do you feel like it'ssomething that you're still kind
of and you feel clearer now?
Or do you feel like it'ssomething that you're still kind
of it's starting to?

Lauren (49:42):
This was just like in the last probably two weeks, and
I didn't even really have aname to it.
I would just be like, oh, Ishrink myself and make myself
smaller.
I have to like adjust to a newsetting, but just boiling it
down to that feeling ofbelonging and like knowing that

(50:02):
it sits in the root chakra andall that is like, has been
really helpful so it does.

Banah (50:08):
But it also is, um, if I may, yeah, it's a connection
from your jaw down to the centerof yours, the pit of your
stomach oh, oh wait hold on.

Frank (50:20):
This is a great time to ask you yeah, what is that what?

Banah (50:24):
what, what, what are because you, what are your
intuitive practices, uhabilities, I mean, yeah, highly
empathic, like a mirror, like Ifeel, like I feel, yeah, I'm
like, I'm like a really deep andnuanced feeler and everything
is an extension from that.
So like I can do like, I do havelike clairaudience and

(50:45):
sometimes I do have clairvoyance, like see things, but the main,
the main thing, is like mysense of feeling is so, um, it's
just very acute and exact.
So, like when someone's tellinga story and my intentions on
them, I, I can like feel in mybody and also, like, almost
through feeling, visualize likeyour whole field and like

(51:09):
everything, everything thatyou're feeling as you tell the
story.
That's why I said, like whenyou brought up the, uh, the
belonging, it was like it's likethe, the block or not the, but
the tension is here and then itgoes down to like a deep point,
like in the very deep part ofthe stomach, and the root is
there too.
But there's something aboutthose two areas that I would try

(51:30):
working with for you.
And, yeah, let me know.

Lauren (51:33):
Oh my God, thank you, that's really cool, that's so,
that's really interesting.
I wonder what, what's?

Banah (51:42):
here.
Well, it makes sense with likespeaking, you know.

Lauren (51:45):
Right, right, right, oh yeah.

Banah (51:47):
Speaking and like, and, and it seems very logical.
It's like speaking and like,feeling safe to like, maybe like
assert, not assert yourself,but like yeah like walking
around and be like hey, I am asofter version of that, but you
know what I mean.
Yeah, hey.
I am a softer version of that,but you know what I mean.

Lauren (52:03):
Yeah, so I felt like I had to quiet myself a lot, so
that that that makes sense.
Yeah, so then like go into asetting, especially for like an
acting or like improv, where youhave to put yourself out there,
and then I'm like but why do Ifeel uncomfortable?

Banah (52:20):
Yeah, yeah, stomach to jaw for sure.

Lauren (52:22):
Okay, that's cool.

Banah (52:24):
That is really cool.

Lauren (52:25):
That's awesome.
Thank you for that.

Frank (52:27):
That's so neat.

Lauren (52:28):
What kind of did you?
Um, when you got like, when youwere like, oh okay, I'm going
to really get in here with thelike development, did you go
into any classes?

Banah (52:47):
or take like development classes, or were you just like
I'm going to follow what feelsright?
So, yeah, I've never taken anyclasses.
My journey has been totallyself-taught and, of course,
there's many different sourcesthat I felt like I've resonated
with and and taken from, but Ithink the biggest, the biggest
teacher for me has been, andwill continue to be, doing,

(53:11):
experimenting, uh, resultoriented.
Yeah, when I, when I do thisblah blah, you know, constantly
questioning like I'm feelingthese things, Am I just making
this crap up or is this real?
You?
know and then when you see apattern of like hundreds of
times where you're like, okay,no, this is like, this is
definitely a thing that ishappening, that and then also,

(53:32):
um, meditation, like yeah, Icame from a background before I
had any spiritual awareness oranything like that or any of
these kinds of things.
I actually did yoga probablyfor about 10 years, like really,
really heavily, and I thought Iwas just trying to get in shape
and become a better singer.
But I think in retrospect itwas like total body prep for

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like cause, that's whatmeditation is, or what yoga is,
it's prep for meditation.
And then I started meditating.
Sometimes I'll meditate for likeI don't always do this, but I
go through periods where I'll dolike four hours a day, like
really really deep, so oh, wow,so like really deep, yeah.
So I've been like yeah, I'vealways been like crazy dedicated
to whatever I do and and likemy ability to like really focus

(54:16):
in on things really deeply, Ithink it's that's just like
something I was born with, um,which is a great advantage to
doing this type of work.
You know it's cause it's reallyall.

Frank (54:27):
It's all about focus, you know so Well, you'd mentioned
that there you didn't.
There was no plan B.
Are you?
Are you glad for that, or doyou think things would have
turned out differently if youdid have something to fall back
on?

Banah (54:42):
no, because I think every time I, if I ever get question
it and try, it's like hitting awall yeah and I just there's
nothing, there's nothing else togo back to.
It's like, yeah, it's like Idon't think I could insert
myself into mindless inauthenticity, like just being

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fully embraced in it, going,okay, well, I can literally just
go do something else now.
Yeah, that is authentic.
So why would?
And then, when I see theevidence of authenticity being
supported and and even like,like it's I and I don't want to
make it just about me like alsoseeing you know people being

(55:31):
like thank you for beingauthentic and thank you for
showing up this way and and andseeing how it's helped them, I
think it's a disservice to otherpeople to to dim, that like to
dim, to dim the light even evenwhen there are naysayers, you
know.
It's like I understand thatthey're naysayers and that's

(55:52):
okay, um, and like I'm not.
I'm not, I don't have it allfigured out, like I don't have
really anything figured out, butin my own journey, like all I
can do is be as authentic aspossible, and I think that for
me, like really learning toagain understand intuition and
and have trust in like the onething that I know I have, that

(56:15):
can never be taken away, um, byanything like why wouldn't I do
that?
You know, yeah.

Lauren (56:22):
We were just talking about plan B, having a plan B,
and I was saying, like theproblem with you know, we're
creatives, so it's always beenthis struggle like, oh, you
should have a plan B in casethis plan a doesn't work out.
But the problem with that, Ifeel like, is assumed failure,

(56:46):
Like that's what I was saying toFrank.
You know, if I I lived in myplan B for for so long and
there's something so like it'sthat it's too safe, it's too
like I don't know, it's not liketaking the risks or or if you

(57:07):
want a plan B, make sure yourplan B is also insanely
authentic, like yeah, or alongthe same lines I also like this,
yeah, and I

Banah (57:16):
also don't want to like be a proponent for rigidity in
in any way, because, because Ithink that, like, the idea of
plan a is like it is alwaysmolding in a way and and, and I
try to come back to like the,you know, the like, what is
actually authentic for me, Likeyou know, the thing we talked
about in the beginning, likedoing harmony.

(57:38):
You know, there was a pointwhere I was like this is my plan
a and I will not do anythingelse and it's like okay.
And then I started being like,well, yeah, but I really and
this is like a journey I had togo on through myself, which is,
but I really love working withpeople and I like see the
results, like, and I get to seeit like face to face, like you
know, when I have clients and Iwork with them for a number of

(57:58):
months, how they completelychanged and light up as a human
and become so much moreauthentic and happy, and I'm
like, well, I don't want to stopdoing that.
That's like totally inalignment.
You know, I think the idea of aplan B being like a no-no is

(58:20):
when it becomes something thatwe settle for because we're too
afraid to go for what we reallywant oh yeah, right, yeah, like
I was working in tax software,which is oh, I've done.

Frank (58:32):
I've done a million misaligned I've done a million
wrong things in my life.
Bono, would you say that yourplan b should harmonize with
your plan A?

Lauren (58:41):
Oh.

Frank (58:42):
Frank, Ding, ding dong.

Banah (58:45):
Is that a dad joke Identified?
Yes, that's me and a podcast.

Lauren (58:54):
Bona just disappeared.

Frank (58:57):
Bona hung up, that's okay , or just ascend, I just
evaporate.

Banah (59:01):
There's no body.

Frank (59:03):
Damn it, I killed another guest.
When you were in LA, was itwere you playing in a band or
was it mostly open mic stuff?
Left turn from spiritual stufffor a second.

Banah (59:17):
Yeah, Um, yeah, yeah, I've always had bands and, uh,
before I moved to LA I, I had Iput out two full-length records
and I did like DIY touring so I,so I did tour doing that.
And then when I moved to LA I,it was the first time I joined
another band and it was like anindie band that that kind of got

(59:39):
some notoriety.
So I got the experience ofdoing like some bigger shows and
like playing festivals and liketouring, touring europe and
doing that whole thing.
And then I, yeah, and then Idecided I want to do my own
project again in la and, yeah, Ibuilt, I built my own project
and and it was very like indierock, kind of based on like um

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radiohead and like beck Beck andstuff like that.
I, I, I, a good, a good friendof mine is like um.
He's like one of their mainengineers.
So I got to work with, like youknow, top, top level people in
the genre and I made a fulllength record, I made EP with
him and even towards the end ofthat I put together this like

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crazy six-piece band with liketwo drummers and multiple
keyboards and multiple guitarsand like everything was on
Ableton and like I studied likeTame Impala's like live set and
like St Vincent's live set howthey like programmed everything.
So we had this like whole crazyprogram show with like lights
and visuals.
That's amazing.

(01:00:41):
And then that was right beforeI.
Just I had my awakening and Iand it was interesting Like
recently I I was like I'm reallyglad that I stopped.
But what I noticed is, like inthat situation, like the bigger
it got like.
I think the last show I didwith that band was maybe like we
had like 350 people and we weregetting played on like k-rock

(01:01:03):
and like at the at the time itwas just at the end where like
radio still kind of mattered alittle bit.
Yeah, um, before everything wasjust tiktok, um, and so it felt
I was like I, it's finallyhappening, yay.
And I was like was like why, doI feel more stressed.
So I kind of just like stoppedit all and and I think it was,

(01:01:28):
it was, it was partially likethat wasn't my path to grow.
Like that, like that energyCause, the cause, the record was
like oh really heavy, likeheartbreaking anger and and you
know, some of the songs on thereI'm like very proud of.

Frank (01:01:41):
But like if I go back and listen to it I'm like I I would
not want to be touring thatstuff for like 10, 20 years,
like I sometimes wonder yeah, Iwonder about that, cause I I do
write kind of like aggressivemusic and I always I'm trying to
write it in a way where, likeif I'm playing this in 20 years,
like am I going to want to besaying these things or like

(01:02:02):
talking about these people, andI think I found a good medium.
But like, totally, totally knowthat, that feeling.

Banah (01:02:07):
Sometimes it's healthy and it feels good, though and I
you know, when I distancedmyself from that, it was like I
basically shut everything downand I was like I don't even know
if I'll ever do music again.
And then I started composingmeditation music and I made like
a few hundred meditation tracksand that was like my interest
back into music.
And then I started doing harmonyand now, really within the last

(01:02:29):
just like six months a year,I'm like, oh, I want to be an
artist again, and I've been likestarting to go back in the
studio and like actually recordlike song songs with that aren't
just like joy, joy, joy, lightlight light, gratitude,
gratitude, gratitude, like, ohyeah, like have a bit more
emotional nuance and depth andand even going back and
listening to that last recordand like you know, there's the

(01:02:51):
first song on the record is verylike energy and I listened to
it the other day and I was likethis is kind of badass.
I know I can always go back upthere, but I'm kind of fucking
with that right now.

Frank (01:03:07):
Yeah, it just feels good it feels, like power.

Banah (01:03:10):
It feels like power, yeah , yeah.

Frank (01:03:12):
It's good to have that balance a little bit At some
point.
Doing anything for too longwill that that balance a little
bit at some point?
Doing anything for too longwill start to feel like a little
inauthentic, unless you, likeyou know, brings bring some more
authenticity into it and thatyou know we're.

Banah (01:03:23):
We experience a range of emotions all the time yeah um,
so you went from like doing liketwo drummers and like big shows
to like that is harmony mostlyjust you and an acoustic or
totally acoustic dude, that's socool and and you see the videos
back to back it was like my oldband was called opus vitae and
so it was opus vitae.

(01:03:43):
I was wearing all black skinnyjeans and you know, just singing
about heartbreak and everyonein the crowd was drinking and
was like this, and then you see,you just named, you just
described every show in la I'veever played.
Yeah and then fast forwardharmony.

(01:04:06):
I was like I was like wearingall white and like flowy and
acoustic.
Everyone was sober and everyonewas like jumping around being
like, and I was like, okay,there's definitely been a change
that's so fun.

Frank (01:04:20):
What a cool thing you're, you're, you're playing those
dynamics, man, that's so fun.

Banah (01:04:24):
Yeah, so I think it eventually it'll be.
It'll be more of a medium,because I, I see the future of
what I'm doing like basically,what I'm building is it's I want
it to be online, community,in-person community and the
events, the harmony events, likeeventually seeing it be a
grander show, so like there willbe a full band, but it will be

(01:04:47):
in the round and it will be verymuch about audience
participation and flow and, andyou know, I want I, I I have a
grand vision of I want it to belike, I don't know, like cold
play meets, like hillsong, youknow, but in the round, where
people feel like they can go andthey're like it's super
uplifting and joyous and, yeah,it is an aspect of worship, but

(01:05:10):
it doesn't have anything to dowith, you know, know, a dogma or
religion or something like that.
It's like how, how free andjoyful and and just present and
together, like from the heart,can we feel yeah, so that's,
that's really in the moment.
I've also been inspired by um.

(01:05:31):
It's been all over TikTok Isthere.
There's the um.
It's kind of over TikTok Isthere.
There's the um.
It's kind of like the HarlemGlobetrotters of baseball banana
ball.
Have you guys heard of that?
I have not heard of this.
It's like taking the world bystorm.
They're like they're basicallyselling out like football
stadiums and doing like, like,like selling as many tickets as
the world series.

Lauren (01:05:51):
Wait, is that the team that like dances or no?

Banah (01:05:54):
yes, okay and the more I look it's funny because, like
for years, I've been keepgetting visions of baseball and
I just like don't understandwhat it is.
And so this I'm starting tothink like, oh, like that guy is
like he, he's funny because healways wears a yellow tux and a
hat and I'm like, oh, he's likekind of like a character like
I'm.
I'm like kind of trying tocreate with myself, like wearing

(01:06:14):
all white.
Um and I'm and it's like, oh, he, he only cares about like,
bringing the best show and themost joy to the fans and that's
like his singular goal and it'sliterally about upliftment and
his and the way he's doing it isthrough sports.
Like he's taking a, taking thesport and just seeing how, how

(01:06:35):
fun and how interactive can wemake this, you know, kind of
thing.
And I'm like, oh, I want to bethe concert version of that.
Yeah, that's so cool and yeah,the spiritual aspect.
But I don't want that to be ahindrance because, like I think,
if people just feel good andthey feel connected from the
heart, like I don't, I don'tcare if someone believes in this

(01:06:55):
stuff or not, it doesn't matterto me.
It's like you could be anatheist.
In fact, I went to a retreat,um, that I led a harmony at, and
one of the guys was like areally devout atheist and we had
a really great connection, wehad some really good
conversations and I think and hereally enjoyed harmony like
yeah, you know, is the reallygood practices.

Frank (01:07:19):
I've noticed the really good practices, like you don't
have to believe it for it towork.
Still, you know what I mean.
And even if he, like, showed upfull atheist not not believing
in anything, but walked away or,like, in the moment, felt very
uplifted and like into it thatyou did your job and he walked
away, you know affected, havingfelt it yeah, yeah, no matter

(01:07:40):
what he thinks, that is likeit's still something, yeah
powerful also to your like.
You're talking about being like,almost like, uh, like having a,
like a.
I love the idea of, in yourcreativity, like tapping into an
archetype as a muse to like youknow I am, I am becoming this
thing, so I can like have aclear message on what I

(01:08:03):
represent.

Banah (01:08:04):
We all.
Characters are characters.
I'm finally realizing that.
Like what is this little SIMcharacter?
How do I want to dress?
I'm like you know, even thiswinter I started going to the
gym because I was like, oh, aleader should be like a little
bit more muscular, and I'malways very thin frame.
So I was like, oh, I want totry and put on a little more
weight so I can help, you know,hold a little bit more of that

(01:08:25):
masculine energy and like andlike it's.
Yeah, it's just all about likethe, the character that would
you like to borrow some of myweight?

Frank (01:08:34):
I have a little bit to say.

Lauren (01:08:38):
I feel like I found, I feel like I hit my core
intention today.

Frank (01:08:44):
Oh yeah, I feel like the core intentions were hit.
How do you feel, vamana?

Banah (01:08:47):
Me too, alright.

Frank (01:08:52):
I will say one more thing .
I will say one more thing.

Banah (01:08:55):
If we were, we should all say one thing, which is if we
wanted people to have onetakeaway.
I'm sorry, I'm kind of takingover your show, but no if we
wanted people to have onetakeaway or one point of
inspiration from today.
What would you, what would youhope they would take?

Lauren (01:09:15):
okay, well, I know what, what I'm taking from this,
which is and I hope other peoplehave as well which is like
allowing yourself to be more inflow on just a day-to-day basis
and and I feel really inspiredby what you said about like just

(01:09:35):
following even just an impulseand like what does that feel
like?
Because I feel like I I just goback and forth too, too
frequently with like it's apermission slip.

Banah (01:09:49):
Yeah, it's a permission slip.
You can't, you can't lose,because either way you're going
to learn or you're going to getwhat you want.

Lauren (01:09:56):
Right, yeah, and I that is helpful for me to think about
just in terms of, like, make afucking decision, you know.
So, yeah, I feel reallyinspired by that, so I'm I would
imagine that other people dotoo because it's it's a very
cool thing to think about andkind of move forward with yeah,

(01:10:18):
so for me it's, it's.

Frank (01:10:20):
I feel like, um, well, like one of the big takeaways
from, like your story.
You know, in retrospect I getto distill it, not trying to
corner you or anything like that, but authenticity.
Authenticity can be verydynamic and it's okay to like
consistently reinvent yourselfto serve whatever purpose most
aligns with what you want in themoment.
Whether you're wearing allblack and skinny jeans or all

(01:10:41):
white and like rolling with anacoustic, like like you're still
a creator, you're still, youknow, generating an emotion that
you want other people to likeconnect with, and you're helping
people do that and like that's,even though those things you
might say, hey, those things areat odds like it's, it's not
really like the core was alwaysthere and like, yeah, like you

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said, like give yourselfpermission to to do it, whatever
it might be.

Banah (01:11:09):
I think that's badass and vana um, yeah, I had a thought,
which is that I just wantpeople to know that whatever
they believe is true and howeverthey live their life is just as
real and relevant as anyoneelse.
And I would hope to take awayfrom this is that, um, even

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though in this life and world,we all have different opinions
and different ways of doingthings, I hope that we wouldn't
let that get in the way of allconnecting with each other in a
really wonderful and loving way,cause I think that's what the
work makes the world a reallywonderful place.

Frank (01:11:49):
There you have it Heck yeah.
Dude to tell everybody where tofind you, whether it's at a
show or online.
Where can we get you?

Lauren (01:11:56):
and also, where do where do people get those?
That sweatshirt it saysgalactic af and and yes I
designed it and there's a alienspaceship on top.

Banah (01:12:06):
It's really cute, it's great um, so did I send you guys
a tree?
I think that has all my linksin it, yeah, and the top one on
there is for my course andcommunity.
So if you buy the course, thecore offer I have, which is the
belief work that we kind of wentthrough today it gives you more

(01:12:27):
in-depth process and I writepeople a custom three-step
transformation based on whateverthey're going through, and you
get lifetime access to theharmony community, which will be
just a ton of other stuff likeevery month, and support
community to help you workthrough your stuff.
So, so there's that and there'sthe shirt on there too.
And then, if people want to booka session, or I also do

(01:12:49):
one-on-one work, so I have athree-month container that I
work with people, um, which isintuitive, psychic mastery,
which is really about healing,also, you know, um healing
education and then likeaccountability, um, so yeah, so
that's all my link tree there.
And I'm on instagram.
If you want to follow on tiktok, you can, but that doesn't

(01:13:11):
really matter because you don'tsee any posts if you follow
anyone on TikTok.
So yeah, so just this is truethe community.
The community is the best way,honestly yeah, it's like that's
really where my focus is.
It's on building that and that'sthe best way to learn and and
take the next steps.
If someone decides they want towork with me, or they decided
want to come to a show later onwhen I'm touring Like touring

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the community that's the bestway to do it.

Lauren (01:13:35):
I want to keep an eye out for a local Harmony event,
oh.

Frank (01:13:40):
I will go in two seconds.

Lauren (01:13:41):
And show up and tell myself I belong here.

Banah (01:13:46):
Yeah, I'm excited.
You won't even have to tellyourself at that point, you'll
know it.

Lauren (01:13:50):
I know, I know.

Banah (01:13:56):
Yeah no, I'll be fully transformed.
Where are you guys?
We're like outside of LA.

Frank (01:14:01):
Oh, you are.
Yes, oh, okay, for sure.

Banah (01:14:02):
Okay.

Lauren (01:14:02):
Yeah.

Banah (01:14:03):
I'll see you soon.

Frank (01:14:07):
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