May 8, 2025 • 59 mins
In this moving episode of Clairvoyaging, we sit down with Jamie Lee Silver, a passionate EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) tapping expert whose life was forever changed after the tragic loss of her son, Ben, to suicide. Rather than being consumed by grief, Jamie found a lifeline in tapping—a simple yet powerful practice that blends acupressure with emotional acknowledgment. Through this technique, she not only processed her own pain but also discovered a way to remain spiritually connected with her son while helping others heal from trauma, anxiety, and grief.
Jamie shares how EFT taps into the body’s energy system, offering a direct route to emotional release and nervous system regulation. Backed by science and accessible to people of all ages—including children—her method allows emotions to move through the body rather than become stuck. With stories that are both heart-wrenching and hopeful, Jamie’s presence is like a burst of healing energy, reminding us that emotional freedom is possible, even after unimaginable loss.
To learn more or to work with Jamie: Visit: tapforhappiness.com
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello all you celestial wardens of the
Infinite Veil.
In this episode, frank and Italked to Jamie Lee Silver, a
teacher and advocate of EFTtapping.
We talked about her training inEFT grief and how tapping can
help anyone.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm a survivor.
Oh, we are a married couplelearning how to develop our own
intuition.
And this is episode 73 ofClaire Voyaging.
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everybody, I expected more.
No, I'm leaving it open forpossibilities lauren's holding
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I was trying to go with thebeat, Hi guys.
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What is going on?
We have a great episode today.
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We do.
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Yeah, frank.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Mm-hmm.
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You feeling good?
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Feeling great.
How about you?
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Fantastic.
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Well, I say, yeah, I didn't go, lauren went for work.
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Speaker 1 (03:04):
And now let's get to Jamie.
We want to give you a triggerwarning, because some sensitive
topics were discussed.
It's how Jamie's story cameabout, so there is the
conversation about suicide, sowe just wanted to let you know
that that will be discussed inthis episode.
Prepare yourself for the.
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I called her a shot of espressoyeah that is jamie lee silver.
As soon as we started talking Iwas like, oh, I am so energized
just from her um enthusiasm andzest for life.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So she's awesome she is about what's it called EFT.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
EFT.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Also known as the happy tappies.
We literally did not call itthat once.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You just coined that phrase, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think I know what my life's calling us now.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's really cool, though, and we started showing
our daughter, jean, how to do it, and I feel like it's been
helping yeah, so it's a cool,it's a very, it's a very simple,
but effective practice yeah andyou get to hear how Jamie got
into it and what it can do foryou yeah, and with that, please
enjoy.
Jamie Lee Silver.
Jamie, thank you so much forjoining us on Clear Voyaging.
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We love people's backstoriesand I know that yours is really.
It's very touching.
Can you tell us about yourselfand how you got into doing this
EFT work?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for asking.
Absolutely, thank you so muchfor asking.
So I have always been asearcher for happiness.
I was born into this world asan empath, absorbing all the
emotions of everybody around me,but I didn't know that that's
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what it was.
I just thought why am I feelingso miserable when I have this
great life?
You know I don't get it.
I don't get it.
So I reached out to.
The music at the time is how I,john Denver, is how I gained a
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foothold into happiness and myquest became I can get my own
happiness on my own terms, and Iknow that it is something I can
do.
It's not a result of thecircumstances I was born into or
anything else.
So my life was a quest for thatand for 35 years I chanted
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every day, sometimes two hoursor more a day, to bring up my
own happiness and to have theworld be transformed through
this daily practice.
So everyone around me could behappy.
Because, you know, an empathhas a helper's heart and I'm
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sure you understand that.
That's why you're here, right?
Yeah, yep, two empaths overhere.
We feel you.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So my favorite thing in thiswhole wide world was being a
mommy, and it seemed like I wasjust born for the task and
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sitting on the floor or crawlingaround with my kids and then
creating fun things for them todo, and all that and, oh my God,
so much fun.
And I gave birth to AaronMichael Silver, who is just like
a bright light of a sun, whojust sheds his light wherever he
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goes, and he is right nowintroducing doctors to handheld
ultrasound and joining withother doctors and teaching
doctors the first tool since thestethoscope.
And my other son, my Ben, wasmy singer, songwriter, poet.
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He was kind of like a mini me,because that's what I was, and
he was a runner, like a reallyfast runner.
This is him after he won thelevy invite and he brought his
team to victory in high schoolover and over and over again.
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He was the team captain, he wasfunny, he was cute, he was short
, he was like there was a bevyof short little girls around him
.
Every time I saw him in acircle because he was so cute
and he always wanted otherpeople to be happy too.
He was, he was so much like me,so he wanted a full ride to
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scholarship and he got it.
And the day he told me thatwhat school he was going to, I
wept, I felt something.
I mean I just knew what schoolwas it?
Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I just felt like it wasn't the school to bring forth
his creative talents.
Oh, okay, okay.
And so he was there, and fromthe minute he got there,
something was up with his ankleand he couldn't run.
So the self-professed shortestboy on campus could not do the
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thing.
That put him on the map yeah.
Wow, I mean people would comeout to see Ben run who had just
heard about him for the past sixyears.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Oh my gosh, they didn't even know him because he
was what they call a runningphenom and he beat kids that
were way taller than he was.
He just got inducted to hishigh school hall of fame oh my
gosh, that's amazing oh my gosh.
But he couldn't run a collegeand I, I knew, I knew, I knew,
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knew, I knew, I knew, I knew.
He ended up through thisterrible experience, somehow
getting late onset schizophrenia, oh my gosh.
And that was the scariest twoyears of my life.
(09:48):
I just woke up every morninglike what can I do to keep my
son alive today?
What can I do to keep my sonalive today?
And anyway, I'm not going to gointo detail, but anybody who's
been there knows that that's afresh hell.
Nobody wants to go through.
That's a fresh hell.
Nobody wants to go through.
Yeah, especially given the 3Dkind of our medicine that we
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have compared to.
I don't think it's a 3D problem.
Yeah, there is so much more toit and my studies since then
have really shown it.
Yeah, he ended up ending hissuffering.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And he gained his angel wings of his own accord
and as he lifted those wings,from the moment it happened, I
felt his release.
Wow, I felt his release.
I saw him in every bird and Iknew that he was in fact
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returned to me in a way thatwasn't physical.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I woke up with a scream in myheart as big as the Grand Canyon
, you know every morning, andjust like I felt all the feels
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yeah, you know, my future hadbeen taken away, the loss of
just having this boy.
I'm not superhuman in that Idon't have emotions, but I began
reading to him and I justlistened and I heard what he
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wanted to tell me in return, inreturn.
So it was and is the mostencouraging thing entirely
possible, and I do believe thatpart of how I can hear him so
clearly is my practice of EFTtapping.
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That started right before hegot sick.
Eft tapping is a way of feelingand releasing emotions so that
you can move on, and so I becameclinically certified Real quick
what does EFT stand for?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Emotional freedom techniques.
They are self-applied, bestlearned through a mentor.
With my clients, I help peoplelearn to do it for themselves,
okay, okay, and master beingable.
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We, as you know, we live in anemotion phobic, grief, avoidance
, yes, and many.
And I saw this huge hole hadopened up in front of me as a
mother and I knew that I could.
If I weren't jamie lee silver,I and have all this practice
behind me, I could fall downthat hole and bring the rest of
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my family, my community,everybody I knew down that hole
with me.
Or just go live on an island bymyself, weeping my eyes out.
And I determined to be thathand, reaching down into that
hole and helping people out.
And I've helped mothers, I'vehelped widows, I've helped
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people who've had accidents,anything, that something seminal
happens and suddenly you don'tfeel like yourself anymore and
you really want to get back tothat self.
And that's what I help peopledo through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
EFT, that's so.
That's one.
I mean.
There's so much um.
You have such a beautifulenergy and, like it's, it's
really powerful.
Um, where did what prompted youto start doing EFT?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Like before before you lost Ben, even like, where'd
that come from?
I saw an ad on Facebook and Itried it and I will always
remember I was in front of mymirror tapping, and the phrase
was even though I feel whateveremotion it is, I deeply and
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completely love and acceptmyself.
Oh wow, accept myself oh wow,and I had always driven to love
myself Like it's such a goodidea, right, I love myself,
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please, hey.
And everybody else is like thesecret to life is loving
yourself.
And I'm like I really want to,and I realized at that moment
the gap and I thought maybe thisis a practice that could get me
from wanting to love myself toactually living in love with
myself.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Wow, so you felt that ?
Did you start feeling thatshift slowly or was there like a
whoa, it's working.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh, that's such a good question and hard to answer
.
I just kept doing it.
Yeah, I just kept going throughmy own a process of just
releasing all the things thatyou need to release so that you
can move on, in this very clearand happy state as a
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practitioner, to study for mycertification.
This was after Ben died.
We had to write down a list ofeverything that had ever
happened in our lives that wewish hadn't and then tap to free
ourselves from the emotion.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Go one right, Right, that was.
That was an initiation of acertain kind right.
I do not have my clients gothrough every single thing and
they show great response muchmore quickly, but that's kind of
what I had to clear to becomethe person I am.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Good grief.
Literally that's a lot, I mean,especially depending on like
what age you are or what likeexperiences you've had, and
that's not what people have todo over anybody who's listening
right now.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You don't have to do that.
Yeah, I already did it, youknow.
You don't have to do that greatand it's um.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
the tapping is like there there's a very, there's a
specific like process, right,it's like you start in one
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fingers from one hand to tap.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You start by tapping and some of your viewers are not
able to see this right.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So I mean, yeah, we have some people are only
listening, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, so for the people who are only listening,
what you do is you tap on theside of your hand, between the
knuckle on your baby finger andyour wrist, and just gently tap.
This is how we start, and whatthis does is begin to send
signals to your nervous systemthat it can calm down.
(17:57):
It turns out that emotions, asI learned in this practice, are
held in the body and in thenervous system, and when we
learn to communicate with ournervous system which is what I
teach those emotions can flowthrough rather than getting
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stuck.
So they're not things that comeup over and over and over again
.
Yeah, but you clear as you gothrough life and at a certain
point you're just like you know,my clients graduate and they're
like Whoa that's amazing,that's so cool.
So you start on the side of thehand with the phrase that and
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you get.
I usually lead a meditation, ashort one, and get people in
touch with something that mighthave affected them.
We can do a demonstration ifyou want, or I can talk about it
, or both.
Say, for instance, someonecomes to me and says we're in a
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session and this happens witheverybody that, oh, my boss said
something to me and it made methink blah, blah, blah and it
gave me this feeling in the pitof my stomach.
I've had many bosses say to methere you go and you say, even
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though you can still feel it inthe memory right, even though
you feel this knot in yourstomach just thinking about the
time the boss said whatever itwas to you, I deeply and
completely accept, deep, deeplyand completely love and accept
myself.
So how I lead is you wouldrepeat after me and say, even
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though I feel this pit in thestomach thinking about what my
boss said to me, I deeply andcompletely love and accept
myself.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I deeply and completely love and accept
myself.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So you're essentially like overriding you're
reprogramming your own by tuningin first.
Yeah, right, tune into that,just enough to accept that it's
there.
Yeah, and in that, acceptingthat it's there, that's the key
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to then letting it go.
And then you tap at the top ofthe head and say this knot in my
stomach, right, this knot.
And then you tap on yourforehead, between your eyebrows
this knot in my stomach.
So you're just tuning into itin kind of a friendly way, like,
oh, hello, not in my stomach,you know.
And then side of the eye thisnot in my stomach.
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Then under the eye this not inmy stomach, under the nose.
Do you do it on both sides?
You can do both, one or theother.
It's forgiving, you get tochoose.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh, that's nice and you, and so the whole time
you're saying, like when youstart on your head, you say,
even though I feel it's not inmy stomach even though it's just
for the hand.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Oh okay, yeah, three times.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Thanks for clarifying okay okay and then you just
kind of move through.
How long do you spend on eachspot is?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
how high is the emotional intensity?
Because it can start in aneight.
We do one round of tapping andyou look at me and you go it's a
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four.
I don't get how it happened,but it did.
And we keep tapping and it's azero, and you think I can see it
, but I can't't feel it anymore.
And that's when you've done itwait.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I feel like this would be very helpful for for
kids oh yeah, because it seemsvery approachable yeah, and kids
are so fast.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, yeah with them and they're just like I'm done
and yeah, you know when they'redone, when they just stop and
walk away and they're suddenlyjust better.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You're like, but give me.
When they just stop and walkaway and they're suddenly just
better.
You're like, but give mesomething.
I just helped you, right you'vegot a big feeler.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I feel like she'd be like very receptive to that.
I feel like part of it too islike it puts you in your body.
You know, just the act of likethat intention and the attention
as well, yeah kind of puts youright in your body and like do
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people when they're doing it, dothey like cry or do they have
like yeah, do they have likeemotional releases?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
sometimes yeah, or is it just like?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
is it usually just I'm better now, thank god
sometimes there's an emotionalrelease sometimes, sometimes
just tuning into it is therelease yeah, I just remembered
that that's kind of importantyeah, that is, that is.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just remembered that I the first time I even
learned about this actually wasI was having panic attacks, like
about a month after my brotherdied.
This was like 20 years ago, um,and I I think it was like I
don't, I would have these likebreathe, this feeling like I
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couldn't breathe Right, but itwas, like you know, attached to
my anxiety and I think I couldhave kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Obviously, Well, it's funny because I feel like I was
exposed to this like 20 yearsago too, and I, like you, know
um, I tried it a few times times, but I feel like this is you're
explaining it so much betterthan however I found it.
I feel like yeah I probablydownloaded some instructions on
like napster or something.
I have no idea, but yeah, thisis really interesting.
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Can I ask you a question likewhat is the importance of, what
is the importance of the variouslocations that you're tapping?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Each correspond to acupressure points.
Acupuncture points and thisparticular prescription almost
of where to tap came aboutthrough the early founders of
EFT tapping.
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So it's not necessarilyimportant to know which meridian
you're tapping, but it's acomplete kind of a holograph of
emotional points to touch into.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So it's like what are the needles?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
ADD Acupuncture, it's like acupuncture, it's like
self acupuncture without the,without the ouchy emotional
acupuncture emotional soobviously this helped you
release, like you had alreadybeen doing it, and then you were
hit with this insane, justimmense amount of grief.
(25:27):
Yeah, and were you?
How much did this help youryour grief on a day-to-day basis
, and did you do it more thanonce every?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
day.
All the time I was just tappingand chanting yeah and uh, and I
, I went and saw and I went andsaw professionals to get help
from tapping and one of themwasn't very good and that led me
to further seek and I alsothought, if they're out there,
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if there are, two of themactually weren't, and I thought,
if this is what people aresaying is tapping, I know that
there's someone that can teachme better.
So I kept searching until Ifound the EFT Tapping Training
Institute and I really felt thattheir method was what the ones
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that's used in clinical trials,of which there have been
hundreds that show that cortisollevel, the stress hormone,
Nasty cortisol.
Yep, so it goes down when youtap.
So they can actually prove.
Also by putting electrodes onyour head, the calming centers,
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areas of the brain, come up andthe ones that are not, go down.
So this has been scientificallytested quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's so cool, that's great.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, and it is used for children.
I just wanted to circle back tothat.
Yeah, and there's a few waysthat people work, and one is
even with a teddy bear, a tappybear.
They've found that if yourchild taps on a teddy bear, if
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your child taps on a teddy bear,it can help them with their own
emotions.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's just amazing.
Oh, that's interesting.
That's such so correlated tolike Reiki.
Yeah, I have to use it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, I learned Reiki and there's like you can use a,
a like a stuffed animal, aslike a surrogate for if you're
doing distance Reiki.
So I mean it's just like sayinglike this teddy bear is frank,
this teddy bear is frank,whatever I mean, it goes back to
prove almost just that it's theintention of healing and
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processing.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
That is the most important part of all of it it
is so right, yeah, and the factwe're all joined in the field
together, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Did this allow you to become more open to receiving
information from Ben or, ormessages or yes?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, I'll talk about the overwhelm of the.
What ifs, if the, if only the.
I wish I had and I wish Ihadn't oh gosh yeah, oh gosh
yeah.
They flood.
Yeah, whether true or imagined,they're all true because you're
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holding them.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And as you take each one of those and briefly allow
it, and sometimes you have to goback twice or a couple of times
.
Sometimes it's just thatunforgiveness inside yourself is
so hard, even if you dideverything possible and of
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course I'm speaking right now interms of suicide, suicide, but
but even you know, my mom didn'tdie of suicide and there are
things about that that I heldand I was like I wish I'd done
different, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh yeah, I mean, my brother had cancer and it was.
You know, the family was likethere's so much, if only, if
only, if only, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Oh, it's so healing.
And something else I'll tellyou is that you were talking
about Reiki and how.
If so, say, for example, if afamily is open to healing some
of this together, or even if oneperson does, it does affect the
whole family.
(29:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if there's a group ofpeople tapping and one person is
being the example, everybody inthe room gets the effect for
their issue.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Oh, wow.
Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Back to that, back to that quantum field.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, exactly the energy of doing that even if
you're saying the words thatdon't relate to them, they still
get the effect right, yeah, Imean we so on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I live in a house with very emotional people.
I am also emotional, so I'm notgonna blame it on everybody,
but like I don't know whatyou're talking, about.
I'm sure you don't the.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I cry on this podcast .
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Even when we're just in with our kids in our family
room and like someone's having abad day, like, uh, I tend to be
the, the emotional, intuitiveone who's always picking up on
everyone's very subtle moodshifts, yeah, and I can tell you
that sometimes I'm just like,oh my gosh, you guys like can,
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and especially when, like youknow, I'm not going to name
names, my hand is on Lauren'sshoulder but some people deny
their emotions, right?
But some people deny theiremotions right.
The doing something like this,a practice like this, is
literally the, the practice oflike, allowing yourself to feel
your feelings and allowing themto, to, to continue to, to, to
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flow through you, as opposed togripping onto them, right.
Okay, You're like you're likeknocking them loose.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That leads me to a different question, which is
what if someone isn't can'tquite name it, because okay, you
can just say intensity ofemotion okay, great, yeah,
because sometimes people be likewhat's wrong with?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
you like nothing in the body, right, my heart's
beating too fast.
And even though my heart'sbeating too fast, you don't have
to name it, okay because that'seven for our daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Sometimes she's just like pissed, like what's going
on.
She's like, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, she can't answer what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
She's like, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, she
can't answer what's going on,right, but you can just say be
quiet for a moment, Tell me whatyou're feeling, and maybe she
can get that or not.
Or you can just say just tap,even though I'm really mad right
now, it's okay.
Okay, I'm still a good child,yeah.
(32:24):
Right, yeah, it okay I'm stilla good, a good child.
Yeah, right, yeah, it's okay.
Yeah, even though I'm reallymad right now, we still love you
, you know even though you'remad right now, we still love
that how quickly it dissipates.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, oh, I can't wait for her to get home.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I'm pumped I can help you ongoingly with like
coaching you and helping youwith this, because it transforms
families, people.
One of the things about havingintensity of emotion is it takes
your brain off line.
So when Ben, right after andeven like, I thought there was
(33:11):
something wrong with my brain ohyeah, Because there was so much
fog and the more I tapped, theclearer I became.
I now feel like I'm clearer nowthan you know most of my life.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Oh, that's cool.
That's a nice side effect.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Okay, okay, let's, let's jump into this real quick.
Did and I'm sorry if Imisunderstood, but did you said
that you started experiencing alittle bit more of like your
intuitive abilities once youstarted doing this?
Can you, can you describe that?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Sure, yeah.
Well, I also have to say I wentto healer school in Sedona for
six months.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Oh cool, Lovely Sedona.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, sedona and I learned to feel through my hands
and through my body and I'mlooking for a different word for
the word healing, sure, becauseI don't heal anyone.
I use myself as a conduit fortheir own healing to arise.
(34:23):
And if you do reiki, you canprobably, you know glean what
I'm saying.
It's really, yeah.
So when Ben died, I'm thatfeeling of like whoa, my beloved
(34:43):
is not suffering any longer.
That hit me like a ton ofbricks.
Yeah, and whether that was, I'dalso experienced it before with
other people when they lefttheir physical body to be able
(35:03):
to feel that release.
And then really, I can teachpeople how to do this, frank,
and maybe I don't even need toteach people.
There may be some peoplelistening right now who have a
(35:24):
loved one I call them loved onein spirit who they would like to
be in touch with, and I reallythink it's partly a matter of
just trying it.
Yeah, picking up a pen, andwould you like me to read my
first?
Um, uh, how he wrote the firsttime for me?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
yeah, yes, wrote yeah I mean I listened, okay, wrote
it down, oh, got it, got it.
Okay, take hold of my hand.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I mean, I listened.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Wrote it down.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh, got it, Got it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Okay, take hold of my hand.
Okay, I just listened and wrotewhat I heard.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, so it's almost like a like a channeling kind of
thing.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, hit us.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
In your was.
Did you hear it in your voiceor in Ben's voice?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I don't know if it mattered To me.
It always seems like it'scoming through the back of my
head.
No, it's definitely Ben's voice, Because he's like still funny,
right.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's so great.
That's like Carolyn Swift wehad a guest.
Carolyn Swift who was trying to.
She teaches mediumshipship andshe was saying a lot of it comes
from the back of your head andif you, she starts telling her,
like students, to listen toclassical music and listen with
the back of your head, which Iwas like I don't understand that
(36:53):
, but we were trying it.
And yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Okay, yes, can we tell us, yeah, awesome.
So I wrote this is just twoweeks after we plan.
We had to plan and do the stuffyou have to do.
And then I had a moment of andI wrote dear ben, soaring above
us all, free and flying.
(37:17):
You got your way, you endedyour torturous road.
You are released.
You are released and now youwill have all of us chanting for
you as your mission continuesright here, right now.
Forever, I will cry until I runout of tears.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I cry in gratitude that you came to me and we
shared those 22 years.
We didn't have to have thatright, that didn't have to
happen.
We shared all those laughs andall those tears and I wrote oh,
ben, write through me, laughthrough me, live your happiness
(38:05):
all around me.
My dear boy, I know you nevermeant to hurt me, not ever.
Ben, maybe you're sitting rightnext to me on this Friday,
right here by the pool.
What do you have to say?
Your loving mom.
(38:26):
And I kept the pen on the paperand I heard him say, and I wrote
down mom, I did it, I meant todo it at the time and I knew it
would make you sad, but somehowI still had to do it.
I had to obey my mind, my legs,my feet, my incredible surge of
(38:50):
strength and courage.
I could not say no, it had tohappen and my story is not yet
written, is not yet told, butwill be my life and death have
meaning not had.
Dearest mom, my closest friend,my absolute love, don't despair
(39:14):
.
I know you, you, you willcreate a life of meaning, of
love, of warmth and creativity.
Together, we will live on.
Together, we will always liveon, always live on.
Enjoy the sun, enjoy this day,enjoy your life.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Your forever been Wow .
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Oof, oh, you got Lauren, yep, oh, that's so
beautiful Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Sorry, after you give Lauren a second to collect
herself.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, we don't have any tissues in here.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I got you tissues at some point.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I know I used them all.
No, that's not a napkin, that'sa label.
You have a beautiful absorbentsweater on right now.
I don't need to take theattention.
I'm sorry.
I felt it so strongly.
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
How did you?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
feel after you wrote that I was just so excited.
I'm like I knew that, althoughhe was not here physically, that
the depth of love and energythat we had for each other was
still there.
Yeah, and it's still today.
(40:45):
You know, I pick up a pen rightnow and write to him and he's
he's like my biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That's so sweet.
Do you, can you?
Do you often sense him, evenwhen you're not writing it down,
Like do you just feel hispresence?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
All the time and he's always like mom.
I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, isn't that?
So I mean, that's what's soamazing about like the spirit
world is that, you know, we, ahuman physical form, are like in
deep grief and are the spiritsaround us.
Our loved ones are like I'mhere, they're like, it seems
(41:29):
like they're like why are you sosad?
I'm right here, I'm super happyand full of love and I'm
sending it to you right now, butyou can't.
You know, if you're so closedoff to to uh, feeling me, then
you know you're going to bestuck in that.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, do you remember when Steve Irwin died?
Do you know who he is?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, I saw his wife on TV and this was I forget what
year it was exactly, but it was, I believe, after I first
experienced this and she saidyou know, when I'm sad, when I'm
really in the depths of it, Ican't feel him, but when I, then
he's just right there all thetime.
(42:12):
Yeah, and I thought, well, Ifeel him when I'm sad too.
And he knows, because I'vewritten all kinds of apologies
for things I wish he'd donedifferently.
And one of my favorite storiesis I just suddenly something I
wished I'd done differently cameup in my mind and I wrote him a
note and I'm like I wish thattime that I hadn't.
(42:34):
And I listened and he said, Mom, I thought we were over this.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Listen, I'm starting to think that being a parent is
just a process of collecting alist of apologies for the future
.
My kids are still young and I'mlike, oh, I haven't even gotten
to the hard, hard part yet andI already have a good list.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh God, oh my God, that's so true.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
So was this like okay ?
So obviously you had done somework in terms of like developing
your own spiritual practice inSedona and and your venture into
tapping before, before we lostBen or then we found them um,
losing someone close to you, uh,I know can like kickstart an
(43:27):
entire new opening andunderstanding of of this?
Did this, this moment whereyou're you're writing this thing
down right of this?
Did this, this moment whereyou're you're writing this thing
down right, this, this, this,this channeled message like did
this unlock an entire newunderstanding for you of like
how this works, because I alwaysI now refer to life and living
as phase one it's like just thebeginning part of you know our
(43:50):
our existence, or it's somewherejust the beginning part of you
know our our existence.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Or it's somewhere in the middle.
We're like living multiple.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know past lives and all that, maybe all
simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Right, it is simultaneous.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Eventually.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And then I asked him questionsand like he tells me that this
part of him and me have alwaysbeen together through every
incarnation, like eternallywe've always been together and
no matter.
And that he's basically he canbe anywhere he can.
(44:29):
He can be with Aaron, he can berunning with his friend
Michelle, he can be with his dad, he can be everywhere and he
can be running with his friendMichelle, he can be with his dad
, he can be everywhere.
But still, this part of him,that is our energetic connection
, will always be where it is, nomatter where he's reborn, no
matter what happens.
This is an eternal bond.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, that's so nice.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
That's so beautiful.
And also I was going to askthat if you've asked him kind of
like, like behind the scenesquestions like what, what's
happening over on that side, youknow like, has he given you any
like other?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
He has, he has, and one of the things that we did
and honestly I barely takecredit for it because it was
really his friends and our bestfriend family founded something
called Ben's Memorial Mile andwe've raised over $200,000.
Oh my gosh, it's a mile and wehave this festival in the park
(45:37):
with live music and then peoplerun a mile.
Anyway, it has Benergy.
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Benergy, yes, do those proceeds go to something,
or what is that?
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, they go to the National Alliance of Mental
Illness so that when actuallythe people in the town when
there is a problem with somebodyor maybe the police have to be
called, they refer them to NAMIand NAMI helps in whatever way
(46:09):
they can.
So I'm helping that community.
And it also goes to brainresearch for schizophrenia.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Fantastic.
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, that benergy and I just wrote down, benergy
yeah, feel the benergy, um.
He said um, I, I channeledsomething or I let him speak
when the Ben's Memorial Mile wasgoing.
(46:39):
And I asked him like what can Itell people who are coming to
Ben's Memorial Mile?
That might be, you know,helpful for them to know.
And he said let's see.
Okay, here it is all expansive,all seeing me, it's everything
(47:08):
I hope for.
How can I describe a state freefrom frustration, no money to be
made, nothing to prove, no oneto compare myself to, aware of
all my goodness and everyone'sgoodness, all the colors, all
the breath of life?
How can this be so when theword most commonly used for this
state is death?
Yeah, wow, when it isn't thatat all.
I can tell you this.
(47:30):
I don't know the answer toevery question, I just have the
experience of it, that's all.
And I feel radiating theessence of love and you can feel
and bask in it.
I'm sending the rays your way,everyone's ways, but I don't
want you or anyone else to thinkthat it's so much better where
(47:54):
I am, you stay, you bask in thephysical, you do not give up
hope, and I love that.
He said that.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Like there's no death .
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
And what?
Yeah, that's such a reallybeautiful and important message
too to say, like you know, youstay here.
Like I don't want you, yeah, Idon't want you to think that
it's so much better here, yeah,you can connect with me from
(48:37):
where you in dreams yeah yeahyeah, a lot of times he comes to
me as a little boy, holding himor hugging him and laughing
with him.
Yeah, like, oh, that was so funyeah, I've heard that like um,
just on another note of what yousaid about it's not so much
(48:59):
better here or whatever, I'veheard that a lot of times.
When a loved one in spiritshows up in a dream, sometimes
they don't visit their reallyclosest family members,
especially when they're likedeep in grief, because what I've
heard people say is that it canmake the person who's still
(49:23):
here on earth not want to leavethat space.
You know like they're going tolike oh, I got a visitation from
my loved one, I want to justkeep experiencing that and like
it kind of has the potential tomake them disconnected from the
physical here, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
One of the first things that I did was I just
looked up all resources forpeople who had lost ones to
suicide, resources for peoplewho had lost ones to suicide and
someone came over and visitedme, actually, and she was a
(50:06):
volunteer, and she said I wantyou to know, jamie, since you've
gone through this, your rate ofwhat did they say your rate of
you could do this same thing,has risen from where it was.
But I just want you to be awareof it and it's normal to
sometimes think, oh, I just wantto go join my loved one sure,
(50:26):
oh right yeah and just know thatit's normal.
Yeah, and these thoughts willpass and keep living, and I.
There's no way for me to tracewho that person was at.
Well, yes, I guess there is inmy journals because I journal,
but, um, I'm indebted to herbecause, you know, there was a
part of me.
That's like what the hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, I feel like that's a really common thought.
You know, I just I would rathergo be with my loved one.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I can help people and I'm, as you can tell, I'm happy
.
I'm a happy person, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, you are.
You just emanate joy and loveand happiness.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
The thing also that, like I'm noticing from from you,
jamie, is that this experiencehas launched you into being even
more helpful, like you'vemanaged to use your trauma as a
tool to help people throughtheir hard times, right?
So, even though, like, yeah,like what you were saying, you
(51:30):
know, if you found out that youcan channel a loved one, like oh
, are you going to spend now 24hours a day channeling?
Basically because of of that,you're processing your grief and
maybe an unhealthy way, jamie'sturned it around and made it
like you've done all this stuffto help people process their
stuff and it's that's like soincredible.
Yeah, such a a proper use ofgrief If there is such a thing,
(51:54):
you know, I think that's that'samazing.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Thank you, well, yeah , when you were talking about a
different word for healing, Imean, I feel like you're helping
transmute, yeah, and also likealchemize, yes.
So I feel like that's your,that's your, maybe one of those
types of words.
(52:17):
Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Something that you said earlier that like really
stuck out to me is that causeI'm a very God I say this on
every episode now, but I want touse myself as an example.
I'm a very heady person, likeI'm always.
I can't this.
This doesn't go quiet, likeeven in my meditations, like
it's not a thing.
Um, but you're talking abouthow, like tapping in particular
(52:43):
helps you're, you're, it'salmost like a, it's like a
fidget spinner for spirituality.
You're, you're, you're busy,you know, but like by and it, it
maybe shuts you down just alittle bit and like that made me
think, oh man, I wonder ifthat's the trick to like being
more open and receptive I'm Ihave a hard time being in a in a
(53:05):
position of receptivity,because I'm always generating
thoughts and ideas and all thatstuff, but it seems like this
might be the fidget spinner I'vebeen looking for.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
This could be.
This could have a huge impactfor you.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, you hear that.
Oh, you hear that.
People out there with yourbrains everybody with the brains
.
If you've got the brains, lookout.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
There are times I've even tapped on, even though my
brain is racing.
Yeah, my brain is racing out ofcontrol.
It's okay.
It's okay to have this racingbrain, like if you can't sleep
in the middle of the night orwhenever, or whatever.
You just can't stop your brain.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
You can actually by letting it be okay, right oh my
god, I can't wait for gene toget home.
It's so act because you know,we, we, we taught our daughter
like how to do like basic reggaestuff and she likes it, but
it's so passive.
Yeah, doing this thing for avery busy, busy-bodied, like
little kid is like it might bethe.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
It might be a great, great, great thing for her oh
yeah and our son would love ittoo yeah, we teach them both, we
give them.
You know they have like mantrasat bedtime.
We say like put your hand onyour heart and one on your
stomach and say I'm loved, I'mcalm, I'm secure, I'm safe, that
kind of thing but, this is alittle more active for an active
(54:37):
little jean's got that likethat, that pent-up energy, right
?
Speaker 2 (54:41):
yeah, if I'm just like dude, start tapping, I bet
you get to tap in kid you get totap in you need her, you need
her, yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 3 (54:53):
eventually she'll be able to do it.
Yeah, but you're gently leadingher is going to kick her off.
Oh yeah, I'll just tell you areal quick story about a little
girl, please, and she was maybefive years old.
I was at a Unity Health Expoand introducing people to
(55:13):
tapping, and she came and shesat in my chair and her feet
were just going like this andshe was kind of just enjoying
the moment.
And she said what do you do?
I said I help people be happy.
And she goes wait, I'll beright back.
And she went and she grabbedher mother oh my gosh Brought
(55:37):
her back to my booth, sat on herlap, and she said my mother has
to know you, but first, beforeI go, I need you to help me with
something.
These kids, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Kids have a way.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Oh my God.
And she told me exactly whatshe was sad about not being able
to see her stepsister longenough.
We did one round of tapping,she looked at me and she went
I'm good.
And she just popped up, ran offand I worked with all of the
members of their family for alittle while until they were
like we're good that's awesomebless her.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
That is so cute.
They truly know like I reallyfeel like, especially the kids
that are being oh my god, kidshave a way out these days like
have a way of calling you out ina way that you can't contest.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
You just have to like .
You just have to like, submitto it yeah sometimes, sometimes
both of my kids will do that tome.
I'm like oh, I can't even sayit.
If I say anything, they'll justsound like no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no no, no,
(56:51):
about how like you are like ashot of espresso, the best way,
like literally.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
We started this interview and I was like, oh, I
just feel tired.
And then, within like threeminutes, I'm like and what's
next?
Yeah talk to me more, jamie,what I mean, what a gift.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
It's so, so beautiful yeah thank you so much for
spending time with us today.
Tell me, tell everybody whereto find you and what you're
working on next.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
My website is Tap for Happiness and I have a 10-week
program for people to go throughif they just want to like
tackle one thing.
It's like this is the thing,and I meet via Zoom with people
all over the world and it'sperfect because, like I said,
you teach yourself, I teach youhow to do it.
(57:44):
So my greatest excitement is,first of all, with every session
that we spend together, by theend, you're like wow.
By the end, you're like wow, Ifeel so much better, right, and
you really can take somethingthat you need to work on.
I've helped people everythingfrom find someone to be partners
(58:11):
with in their life to accidents, like I said, any anything.
So I have my email is tap forhappiness at gmailcom and my
name is Jamie Lee silver andreach out to me and you can have
(58:32):
your own free moment with mewhere you get to see how my
energy might help you anddetermine that for yourself.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
That's awesome.
Yeah, you're a great person.
Thank you so much for talkingto us.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
And thank you also for, like I know, a lot of these
conversations, like a lot ofthese.
It's a very vulnerable positionto put yourself in to talk
about this stuff because it'shard.
But you know, again, like,thank you so much for like
sharing that vulnerability andhelping people maybe get to the
next phase of their lives thatthey need to get to.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
That's my prayer and hope every day.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
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Hello all you celestial wardens of the
Infinite Veil.
In this episode, frank and Italked to Jamie Lee Silver, a
teacher and advocate of EFTtapping.
We talked about her training inEFT grief and how tapping can
help anyone.
I'm Lauren Leon.
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It's how Jamie's story cameabout, so there is the
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Prepare yourself for the.
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I called her a shot of espressoyeah that is jamie lee silver.
As soon as we started talking Iwas like, oh, I am so energized
just from her um enthusiasm andzest for life.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So she's awesome she is about what's it called EFT.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
EFT.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Also known as the happy tappies.
We literally did not call itthat once.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You just coined that phrase, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think I know what my life's calling us now.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It's really cool, though, and we started showing
our daughter, jean, how to do it, and I feel like it's been
helping yeah, so it's a cool,it's a very, it's a very simple,
but effective practice yeah andyou get to hear how Jamie got
into it and what it can do foryou yeah, and with that, please
enjoy.
Jamie Lee Silver.
Jamie, thank you so much forjoining us on Clear Voyaging.
(04:26):
We love people's backstoriesand I know that yours is really.
It's very touching.
Can you tell us about yourselfand how you got into doing this
EFT work?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for asking.
Absolutely, thank you so muchfor asking.
So I have always been asearcher for happiness.
I was born into this world asan empath, absorbing all the
emotions of everybody around me,but I didn't know that that's
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what it was.
I just thought why am I feelingso miserable when I have this
great life?
You know I don't get it.
I don't get it.
So I reached out to.
The music at the time is how I,john Denver, is how I gained a
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foothold into happiness and myquest became I can get my own
happiness on my own terms, and Iknow that it is something I can
do.
It's not a result of thecircumstances I was born into or
anything else.
So my life was a quest for thatand for 35 years I chanted
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every day, sometimes two hoursor more a day, to bring up my
own happiness and to have theworld be transformed through
this daily practice.
So everyone around me could behappy.
Because, you know, an empathhas a helper's heart and I'm
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sure you understand that.
That's why you're here, right?
Yeah, yep, two empaths overhere.
We feel you.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So my favorite thing in thiswhole wide world was being a
mommy, and it seemed like I wasjust born for the task and
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sitting on the floor or crawlingaround with my kids and then
creating fun things for them todo, and all that and, oh my God,
so much fun.
And I gave birth to AaronMichael Silver, who is just like
a bright light of a sun, whojust sheds his light wherever he
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goes, and he is right nowintroducing doctors to handheld
ultrasound and joining withother doctors and teaching
doctors the first tool since thestethoscope.
And my other son, my Ben, wasmy singer, songwriter, poet.
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He was kind of like a mini me,because that's what I was, and
he was a runner, like a reallyfast runner.
This is him after he won thelevy invite and he brought his
team to victory in high schoolover and over and over again.
(07:35):
He was the team captain, he wasfunny, he was cute, he was short
, he was like there was a bevyof short little girls around him
.
Every time I saw him in acircle because he was so cute
and he always wanted otherpeople to be happy too.
He was, he was so much like me,so he wanted a full ride to
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scholarship and he got it.
And the day he told me thatwhat school he was going to, I
wept, I felt something.
I mean I just knew what schoolwas it?
Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I just felt like it wasn't the school to bring forth
his creative talents.
Oh, okay, okay.
And so he was there, and fromthe minute he got there,
something was up with his ankleand he couldn't run.
So the self-professed shortestboy on campus could not do the
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thing.
That put him on the map yeah.
Wow, I mean people would comeout to see Ben run who had just
heard about him for the past sixyears.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Oh my gosh, they didn't even know him because he
was what they call a runningphenom and he beat kids that
were way taller than he was.
He just got inducted to hishigh school hall of fame oh my
gosh, that's amazing oh my gosh.
But he couldn't run a collegeand I, I knew, I knew, I knew,
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knew, I knew, I knew, I knew.
He ended up through thisterrible experience, somehow
getting late onset schizophrenia, oh my gosh.
And that was the scariest twoyears of my life.
(09:48):
I just woke up every morninglike what can I do to keep my
son alive today?
What can I do to keep my sonalive today?
And anyway, I'm not going to gointo detail, but anybody who's
been there knows that that's afresh hell.
Nobody wants to go through.
That's a fresh hell.
Nobody wants to go through.
Yeah, especially given the 3Dkind of our medicine that we
(10:10):
have compared to.
I don't think it's a 3D problem.
Yeah, there is so much more toit and my studies since then
have really shown it.
Yeah, he ended up ending hissuffering.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
And he gained his angel wings of his own accord
and as he lifted those wings,from the moment it happened, I
felt his release.
Wow, I felt his release.
I saw him in every bird and Iknew that he was in fact
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returned to me in a way thatwasn't physical.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I woke up with a scream in myheart as big as the Grand Canyon
, you know every morning, andjust like I felt all the feels
(11:17):
yeah, you know, my future hadbeen taken away, the loss of
just having this boy.
I'm not superhuman in that Idon't have emotions, but I began
reading to him and I justlistened and I heard what he
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wanted to tell me in return, inreturn.
So it was and is the mostencouraging thing entirely
possible, and I do believe thatpart of how I can hear him so
clearly is my practice of EFTtapping.
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That started right before hegot sick.
Eft tapping is a way of feelingand releasing emotions so that
you can move on, and so I becameclinically certified Real quick
what does EFT stand for?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Emotional freedom techniques.
They are self-applied, bestlearned through a mentor.
With my clients, I help peoplelearn to do it for themselves,
okay, okay, and master beingable.
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We, as you know, we live in anemotion phobic, grief, avoidance
, yes, and many.
And I saw this huge hole hadopened up in front of me as a
mother and I knew that I could.
If I weren't jamie lee silver,I and have all this practice
behind me, I could fall downthat hole and bring the rest of
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my family, my community,everybody I knew down that hole
with me.
Or just go live on an island bymyself, weeping my eyes out.
And I determined to be thathand, reaching down into that
hole and helping people out.
And I've helped mothers, I'vehelped widows, I've helped
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people who've had accidents,anything, that something seminal
happens and suddenly you don'tfeel like yourself anymore and
you really want to get back tothat self.
And that's what I help peopledo through.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
EFT, that's so.
That's one.
I mean.
There's so much um.
You have such a beautifulenergy and, like it's, it's
really powerful.
Um, where did what prompted youto start doing EFT?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Like before before you lost Ben, even like, where'd
that come from?
I saw an ad on Facebook and Itried it and I will always
remember I was in front of mymirror tapping, and the phrase
was even though I feel whateveremotion it is, I deeply and
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completely love and acceptmyself.
Oh wow, accept myself oh wow,and I had always driven to love
myself Like it's such a goodidea, right, I love myself,
(14:59):
please, hey.
And everybody else is like thesecret to life is loving
yourself.
And I'm like I really want to,and I realized at that moment
the gap and I thought maybe thisis a practice that could get me
from wanting to love myself toactually living in love with
myself.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Wow, so you felt that ?
Did you start feeling thatshift slowly or was there like a
whoa, it's working.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Oh, that's such a good question and hard to answer
.
I just kept doing it.
Yeah, I just kept going throughmy own a process of just
releasing all the things thatyou need to release so that you
can move on, in this very clearand happy state as a
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practitioner, to study for mycertification.
This was after Ben died.
We had to write down a list ofeverything that had ever
happened in our lives that wewish hadn't and then tap to free
ourselves from the emotion.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Go one right, Right, that was.
That was an initiation of acertain kind right.
I do not have my clients gothrough every single thing and
they show great response muchmore quickly, but that's kind of
what I had to clear to becomethe person I am.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Good grief.
Literally that's a lot, I mean,especially depending on like
what age you are or what likeexperiences you've had, and
that's not what people have todo over anybody who's listening
right now.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You don't have to do that.
Yeah, I already did it, youknow.
You don't have to do that greatand it's um.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
the tapping is like there there's a very, there's a
specific like process, right,it's like you start in one
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fingers from one hand to tap.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
You start by tapping and some of your viewers are not
able to see this right.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So I mean, yeah, we have some people are only
listening, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, so for the people who are only listening,
what you do is you tap on theside of your hand, between the
knuckle on your baby finger andyour wrist, and just gently tap.
This is how we start, and whatthis does is begin to send
signals to your nervous systemthat it can calm down.
(17:57):
It turns out that emotions, asI learned in this practice, are
held in the body and in thenervous system, and when we
learn to communicate with ournervous system which is what I
teach those emotions can flowthrough rather than getting
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stuck.
So they're not things that comeup over and over and over again
.
Yeah, but you clear as you gothrough life and at a certain
point you're just like you know,my clients graduate and they're
like Whoa that's amazing,that's so cool.
So you start on the side of thehand with the phrase that and
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you get.
I usually lead a meditation, ashort one, and get people in
touch with something that mighthave affected them.
We can do a demonstration ifyou want, or I can talk about it
, or both.
Say, for instance, someonecomes to me and says we're in a
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session and this happens witheverybody that, oh, my boss said
something to me and it made methink blah, blah, blah and it
gave me this feeling in the pitof my stomach.
I've had many bosses say to methere you go and you say, even
(19:33):
though you can still feel it inthe memory right, even though
you feel this knot in yourstomach just thinking about the
time the boss said whatever itwas to you, I deeply and
completely accept, deep, deeplyand completely love and accept
myself.
So how I lead is you wouldrepeat after me and say, even
(19:54):
though I feel this pit in thestomach thinking about what my
boss said to me, I deeply andcompletely love and accept
myself.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I deeply and completely love and accept
myself.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
So you're essentially like overriding you're
reprogramming your own by tuningin first.
Yeah, right, tune into that,just enough to accept that it's
there.
Yeah, and in that, acceptingthat it's there, that's the key
(20:30):
to then letting it go.
And then you tap at the top ofthe head and say this knot in my
stomach, right, this knot.
And then you tap on yourforehead, between your eyebrows
this knot in my stomach.
So you're just tuning into itin kind of a friendly way, like,
oh, hello, not in my stomach,you know.
And then side of the eye thisnot in my stomach.
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Then under the eye this not inmy stomach, under the nose.
Do you do it on both sides?
You can do both, one or theother.
It's forgiving, you get tochoose.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh, that's nice and you, and so the whole time
you're saying, like when youstart on your head, you say,
even though I feel it's not inmy stomach even though it's just
for the hand.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Oh okay, yeah, three times.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Thanks for clarifying okay okay and then you just
kind of move through.
How long do you spend on eachspot is?
Speaker 3 (21:27):
how high is the emotional intensity?
Because it can start in aneight.
We do one round of tapping andyou look at me and you go it's a
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four.
I don't get how it happened,but it did.
And we keep tapping and it's azero, and you think I can see it
, but I can't't feel it anymore.
And that's when you've done itwait.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I feel like this would be very helpful for for
kids oh yeah, because it seemsvery approachable yeah, and kids
are so fast.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, yeah with them and they're just like I'm done
and yeah, you know when they'redone, when they just stop and
walk away and they're suddenlyjust better.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
You're like, but give me.
When they just stop and walkaway and they're suddenly just
better.
You're like, but give mesomething.
I just helped you, right you'vegot a big feeler.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I feel like she'd be like very receptive to that.
I feel like part of it too islike it puts you in your body.
You know, just the act of likethat intention and the attention
as well, yeah kind of puts youright in your body and like do
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people when they're doing it, dothey like cry or do they have
like yeah, do they have likeemotional releases?
Speaker 2 (23:02):
sometimes yeah, or is it just like?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
is it usually just I'm better now, thank god
sometimes there's an emotionalrelease sometimes, sometimes
just tuning into it is therelease yeah, I just remembered
that that's kind of importantyeah, that is, that is.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I just remembered that I the first time I even
learned about this actually wasI was having panic attacks, like
about a month after my brotherdied.
This was like 20 years ago, um,and I I think it was like I
don't, I would have these likebreathe, this feeling like I
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couldn't breathe Right, but itwas, like you know, attached to
my anxiety and I think I couldhave kept doing it.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Obviously, Well, it's funny because I feel like I was
exposed to this like 20 yearsago too, and I, like you, know
um, I tried it a few times times, but I feel like this is you're
explaining it so much betterthan however I found it.
I feel like yeah I probablydownloaded some instructions on
like napster or something.
I have no idea, but yeah, thisis really interesting.
(24:16):
Can I ask you a question likewhat is the importance of, what
is the importance of the variouslocations that you're tapping?
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Each correspond to acupressure points.
Acupuncture points and thisparticular prescription almost
of where to tap came aboutthrough the early founders of
EFT tapping.
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So it's not necessarilyimportant to know which meridian
you're tapping, but it's acomplete kind of a holograph of
emotional points to touch into.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So it's like what are the needles?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
ADD Acupuncture, it's like acupuncture, it's like
self acupuncture without the,without the ouchy emotional
acupuncture emotional soobviously this helped you
release, like you had alreadybeen doing it, and then you were
hit with this insane, justimmense amount of grief.
(25:27):
Yeah, and were you?
How much did this help youryour grief on a day-to-day basis
, and did you do it more thanonce every?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
day.
All the time I was just tappingand chanting yeah and uh, and I
, I went and saw and I went andsaw professionals to get help
from tapping and one of themwasn't very good and that led me
to further seek and I alsothought, if they're out there,
(25:58):
if there are, two of themactually weren't, and I thought,
if this is what people aresaying is tapping, I know that
there's someone that can teachme better.
So I kept searching until Ifound the EFT Tapping Training
Institute and I really felt thattheir method was what the ones
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that's used in clinical trials,of which there have been
hundreds that show that cortisollevel, the stress hormone,
Nasty cortisol.
Yep, so it goes down when youtap.
So they can actually prove.
Also by putting electrodes onyour head, the calming centers,
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areas of the brain, come up andthe ones that are not, go down.
So this has been scientificallytested quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's so cool, that's great.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, and it is used for children.
I just wanted to circle back tothat.
Yeah, and there's a few waysthat people work, and one is
even with a teddy bear, a tappybear.
They've found that if yourchild taps on a teddy bear, if
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your child taps on a teddy bear,it can help them with their own
emotions.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's just amazing.
Oh, that's interesting.
That's such so correlated tolike Reiki.
Yeah, I have to use it.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, I learned Reiki and there's like you can use a,
a like a stuffed animal, aslike a surrogate for if you're
doing distance Reiki.
So I mean it's just like sayinglike this teddy bear is frank,
this teddy bear is frank,whatever I mean, it goes back to
prove almost just that it's theintention of healing and
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processing.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
That is the most important part of all of it it
is so right, yeah, and the factwe're all joined in the field
together, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Did this allow you to become more open to receiving
information from Ben or, ormessages or yes?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yeah, I'll talk about the overwhelm of the.
What ifs, if the, if only the.
I wish I had and I wish Ihadn't oh gosh yeah, oh gosh
yeah.
They flood.
Yeah, whether true or imagined,they're all true because you're
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holding them.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
And as you take each one of those and briefly allow
it, and sometimes you have to goback twice or a couple of times
.
Sometimes it's just thatunforgiveness inside yourself is
so hard, even if you dideverything possible and of
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course I'm speaking right now interms of suicide, suicide, but
but even you know, my mom didn'tdie of suicide and there are
things about that that I heldand I was like I wish I'd done
different, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh yeah, I mean, my brother had cancer and it was.
You know, the family was likethere's so much, if only, if
only, if only, and yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Oh, it's so healing.
And something else I'll tellyou is that you were talking
about Reiki and how.
If so, say, for example, if afamily is open to healing some
of this together, or even if oneperson does, it does affect the
whole family.
(29:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if there's a group ofpeople tapping and one person is
being the example, everybody inthe room gets the effect for
their issue.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Oh, wow.
Well, that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Back to that, back to that quantum field.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, exactly the energy of doing that even if
you're saying the words thatdon't relate to them, they still
get the effect right, yeah, Imean we so on a daily basis.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I live in a house with very emotional people.
I am also emotional, so I'm notgonna blame it on everybody,
but like I don't know whatyou're talking, about.
I'm sure you don't the.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I cry on this podcast .
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Even when we're just in with our kids in our family
room and like someone's having abad day, like, uh, I tend to be
the, the emotional, intuitiveone who's always picking up on
everyone's very subtle moodshifts, yeah, and I can tell you
that sometimes I'm just like,oh my gosh, you guys like can,
(30:55):
and especially when, like youknow, I'm not going to name
names, my hand is on Lauren'sshoulder but some people deny
their emotions, right?
But some people deny theiremotions right.
The doing something like this,a practice like this, is
literally the, the practice oflike, allowing yourself to feel
your feelings and allowing themto, to, to continue to, to, to
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flow through you, as opposed togripping onto them, right.
Okay, You're like you're likeknocking them loose.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That leads me to a different question, which is
what if someone isn't can'tquite name it, because okay, you
can just say intensity ofemotion okay, great, yeah,
because sometimes people be likewhat's wrong with?
Speaker 3 (31:43):
you like nothing in the body, right, my heart's
beating too fast.
And even though my heart'sbeating too fast, you don't have
to name it, okay because that'seven for our daughter.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Sometimes she's just like pissed, like what's going
on.
She's like, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, she can't answer what's
going on.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
She's like, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, she
can't answer what's going on,right, but you can just say be
quiet for a moment, Tell me whatyou're feeling, and maybe she
can get that or not.
Or you can just say just tap,even though I'm really mad right
now, it's okay.
Okay, I'm still a good child,yeah.
(32:24):
Right, yeah, it okay I'm stilla good, a good child.
Yeah, right, yeah, it's okay.
Yeah, even though I'm reallymad right now, we still love you
, you know even though you'remad right now, we still love
that how quickly it dissipates.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, oh, I can't wait for her to get home.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I'm pumped I can help you ongoingly with like
coaching you and helping youwith this, because it transforms
families, people.
One of the things about havingintensity of emotion is it takes
your brain off line.
So when Ben, right after andeven like, I thought there was
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something wrong with my brain ohyeah, Because there was so much
fog and the more I tapped, theclearer I became.
I now feel like I'm clearer nowthan you know most of my life.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Oh, that's cool.
That's a nice side effect.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Okay, okay, let's, let's jump into this real quick.
Did and I'm sorry if Imisunderstood, but did you said
that you started experiencing alittle bit more of like your
intuitive abilities once youstarted doing this?
Can you, can you describe that?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Sure, yeah.
Well, I also have to say I wentto healer school in Sedona for
six months.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Oh cool, Lovely Sedona.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, sedona and I learned to feel through my hands
and through my body and I'mlooking for a different word for
the word healing, sure, becauseI don't heal anyone.
I use myself as a conduit fortheir own healing to arise.
(34:23):
And if you do reiki, you canprobably, you know glean what
I'm saying.
It's really, yeah.
So when Ben died, I'm thatfeeling of like whoa, my beloved
(34:43):
is not suffering any longer.
That hit me like a ton ofbricks.
Yeah, and whether that was, I'dalso experienced it before with
other people when they lefttheir physical body to be able
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to feel that release.
And then really, I can teachpeople how to do this, frank,
and maybe I don't even need toteach people.
There may be some peoplelistening right now who have a
(35:24):
loved one I call them loved onein spirit who they would like to
be in touch with, and I reallythink it's partly a matter of
just trying it.
Yeah, picking up a pen, andwould you like me to read my
first?
Um, uh, how he wrote the firsttime for me?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
yeah, yes, wrote yeah I mean I listened, okay, wrote
it down, oh, got it, got it.
Okay, take hold of my hand.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I mean, I listened.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Wrote it down.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh, got it, Got it.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Okay, take hold of my hand.
Okay, I just listened and wrotewhat I heard.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Okay, so it's almost like a like a channeling kind of
thing.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, hit us.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
In your was.
Did you hear it in your voiceor in Ben's voice?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I don't know if it mattered To me.
It always seems like it'scoming through the back of my
head.
No, it's definitely Ben's voice, Because he's like still funny,
right.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That's so great.
That's like Carolyn Swift wehad a guest.
Carolyn Swift who was trying to.
She teaches mediumshipship andshe was saying a lot of it comes
from the back of your head andif you, she starts telling her,
like students, to listen toclassical music and listen with
the back of your head, which Iwas like I don't understand that
(36:53):
, but we were trying it.
And yeah, that's so cool.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Okay, yes, can we tell us, yeah, awesome.
So I wrote this is just twoweeks after we plan.
We had to plan and do the stuffyou have to do.
And then I had a moment of andI wrote dear ben, soaring above
us all, free and flying.
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You got your way, you endedyour torturous road.
You are released.
You are released and now youwill have all of us chanting for
you as your mission continuesright here, right now.
Forever, I will cry until I runout of tears.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
I cry in gratitude that you came to me and we
shared those 22 years.
We didn't have to have thatright, that didn't have to
happen.
We shared all those laughs andall those tears and I wrote oh,
ben, write through me, laughthrough me, live your happiness
(38:05):
all around me.
My dear boy, I know you nevermeant to hurt me, not ever.
Ben, maybe you're sitting rightnext to me on this Friday,
right here by the pool.
What do you have to say?
Your loving mom.
(38:26):
And I kept the pen on the paperand I heard him say, and I wrote
down mom, I did it, I meant todo it at the time and I knew it
would make you sad, but somehowI still had to do it.
I had to obey my mind, my legs,my feet, my incredible surge of
(38:50):
strength and courage.
I could not say no, it had tohappen and my story is not yet
written, is not yet told, butwill be my life and death have
meaning not had.
Dearest mom, my closest friend,my absolute love, don't despair
(39:14):
.
I know you, you, you willcreate a life of meaning, of
love, of warmth and creativity.
Together, we will live on.
Together, we will always liveon, always live on.
Enjoy the sun, enjoy this day,enjoy your life.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Your forever been Wow .
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Oof, oh, you got Lauren, yep, oh, that's so
beautiful Wow.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Sorry, after you give Lauren a second to collect
herself.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, we don't have any tissues in here.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I got you tissues at some point.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I know I used them all.
No, that's not a napkin, that'sa label.
You have a beautiful absorbentsweater on right now.
I don't need to take theattention.
I'm sorry.
I felt it so strongly.
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
How did you?
Speaker 3 (40:22):
feel after you wrote that I was just so excited.
I'm like I knew that, althoughhe was not here physically, that
the depth of love and energythat we had for each other was
still there.
Yeah, and it's still today.
(40:45):
You know, I pick up a pen rightnow and write to him and he's
he's like my biggest cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
That's so sweet.
Do you, can you?
Do you often sense him, evenwhen you're not writing it down,
Like do you just feel hispresence?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
All the time and he's always like mom.
I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, isn't that?
So I mean, that's what's soamazing about like the spirit
world is that, you know, we, ahuman physical form, are like in
deep grief and are the spiritsaround us.
Our loved ones are like I'mhere, they're like, it seems
(41:29):
like they're like why are you sosad?
I'm right here, I'm super happyand full of love and I'm
sending it to you right now, butyou can't.
You know, if you're so closedoff to to uh, feeling me, then
you know you're going to bestuck in that.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, do you remember when Steve Irwin died?
Do you know who he is?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, I saw his wife on TV and this was I forget what
year it was exactly, but it was, I believe, after I first
experienced this and she saidyou know, when I'm sad, when I'm
really in the depths of it, Ican't feel him, but when I, then
he's just right there all thetime.
(42:12):
Yeah, and I thought, well, Ifeel him when I'm sad too.
And he knows, because I'vewritten all kinds of apologies
for things I wish he'd donedifferently.
And one of my favorite storiesis I just suddenly something I
wished I'd done differently cameup in my mind and I wrote him a
note and I'm like I wish thattime that I hadn't.
(42:34):
And I listened and he said, Mom, I thought we were over this.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Listen, I'm starting to think that being a parent is
just a process of collecting alist of apologies for the future
.
My kids are still young and I'mlike, oh, I haven't even gotten
to the hard, hard part yet andI already have a good list.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Oh God, oh my God, that's so true.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
So was this like okay ?
So obviously you had done somework in terms of like developing
your own spiritual practice inSedona and and your venture into
tapping before, before we lostBen or then we found them um,
losing someone close to you, uh,I know can like kickstart an
(43:27):
entire new opening andunderstanding of of this?
Did this, this moment whereyou're you're writing this thing
down right of this?
Did this, this moment whereyou're you're writing this thing
down right, this, this, this,this channeled message like did
this unlock an entire newunderstanding for you of like
how this works, because I alwaysI now refer to life and living
as phase one it's like just thebeginning part of you know our
(43:50):
our existence, or it's somewherejust the beginning part of you
know our our existence.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Or it's somewhere in the middle.
We're like living multiple.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
You know past lives and all that, maybe all
simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Right, it is simultaneous.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Eventually.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And then I asked him questionsand like he tells me that this
part of him and me have alwaysbeen together through every
incarnation, like eternallywe've always been together and
no matter.
And that he's basically he canbe anywhere he can.
(44:29):
He can be with Aaron, he can berunning with his friend
Michelle, he can be with his dad, he can be everywhere and he
can be running with his friendMichelle, he can be with his dad
, he can be everywhere.
But still, this part of him,that is our energetic connection
, will always be where it is, nomatter where he's reborn, no
matter what happens.
This is an eternal bond.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah, that's so nice.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
That's so beautiful.
And also I was going to askthat if you've asked him kind of
like, like behind the scenesquestions like what, what's
happening over on that side, youknow like, has he given you any
like other?
Speaker 3 (45:11):
He has, he has, and one of the things that we did
and honestly I barely takecredit for it because it was
really his friends and our bestfriend family founded something
called Ben's Memorial Mile andwe've raised over $200,000.
Oh my gosh, it's a mile and wehave this festival in the park
(45:37):
with live music and then peoplerun a mile.
Anyway, it has Benergy.
That's what I said.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Benergy, yes, do those proceeds go to something,
or what is that?
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, they go to the National Alliance of Mental
Illness so that when actuallythe people in the town when
there is a problem with somebodyor maybe the police have to be
called, they refer them to NAMIand NAMI helps in whatever way
(46:09):
they can.
So I'm helping that community.
And it also goes to brainresearch for schizophrenia.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Fantastic.
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, that benergy and I just wrote down, benergy
yeah, feel the benergy, um.
He said um, I, I channeledsomething or I let him speak
when the Ben's Memorial Mile wasgoing.
(46:39):
And I asked him like what can Itell people who are coming to
Ben's Memorial Mile?
That might be, you know,helpful for them to know.
And he said let's see.
Okay, here it is all expansive,all seeing me, it's everything
(47:08):
I hope for.
How can I describe a state freefrom frustration, no money to be
made, nothing to prove, no oneto compare myself to, aware of
all my goodness and everyone'sgoodness, all the colors, all
the breath of life?
How can this be so when theword most commonly used for this
state is death?
Yeah, wow, when it isn't thatat all.
I can tell you this.
(47:30):
I don't know the answer toevery question, I just have the
experience of it, that's all.
And I feel radiating theessence of love and you can feel
and bask in it.
I'm sending the rays your way,everyone's ways, but I don't
want you or anyone else to thinkthat it's so much better where
(47:54):
I am, you stay, you bask in thephysical, you do not give up
hope, and I love that.
He said that.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Like there's no death .
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
And what?
Yeah, that's such a reallybeautiful and important message
too to say, like you know, youstay here.
Like I don't want you, yeah, Idon't want you to think that
it's so much better here, yeah,you can connect with me from
(48:37):
where you in dreams yeah yeahyeah, a lot of times he comes to
me as a little boy, holding himor hugging him and laughing
with him.
Yeah, like, oh, that was so funyeah, I've heard that like um,
just on another note of what yousaid about it's not so much
(48:59):
better here or whatever, I'veheard that a lot of times.
When a loved one in spiritshows up in a dream, sometimes
they don't visit their reallyclosest family members,
especially when they're likedeep in grief, because what I've
heard people say is that it canmake the person who's still
(49:23):
here on earth not want to leavethat space.
You know like they're going tolike oh, I got a visitation from
my loved one, I want to justkeep experiencing that and like
it kind of has the potential tomake them disconnected from the
physical here, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
One of the first things that I did was I just
looked up all resources forpeople who had lost ones to
suicide, resources for peoplewho had lost ones to suicide and
someone came over and visitedme, actually, and she was a
(50:06):
volunteer, and she said I wantyou to know, jamie, since you've
gone through this, your rate ofwhat did they say your rate of
you could do this same thing,has risen from where it was.
But I just want you to be awareof it and it's normal to
sometimes think, oh, I just wantto go join my loved one sure,
(50:26):
oh right yeah and just know thatit's normal.
Yeah, and these thoughts willpass and keep living, and I.
There's no way for me to tracewho that person was at.
Well, yes, I guess there is inmy journals because I journal,
but, um, I'm indebted to herbecause, you know, there was a
part of me.
That's like what the hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah, I feel like that's a really common thought.
You know, I just I would rathergo be with my loved one.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
I can help people and I'm, as you can tell, I'm happy
.
I'm a happy person, yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
Yeah, you are.
You just emanate joy and loveand happiness.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
The thing also that, like I'm noticing from from you,
jamie, is that this experiencehas launched you into being even
more helpful, like you'vemanaged to use your trauma as a
tool to help people throughtheir hard times, right?
So, even though, like, yeah,like what you were saying, you
(51:30):
know, if you found out that youcan channel a loved one, like oh
, are you going to spend now 24hours a day channeling?
Basically because of of that,you're processing your grief and
maybe an unhealthy way, jamie'sturned it around and made it
like you've done all this stuffto help people process their
stuff and it's that's like soincredible.
Yeah, such a a proper use ofgrief If there is such a thing,
(51:54):
you know, I think that's that'samazing.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Thank you, well, yeah , when you were talking about a
different word for healing, Imean, I feel like you're helping
transmute, yeah, and also likealchemize, yes.
So I feel like that's your,that's your, maybe one of those
types of words.
(52:17):
Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Something that you said earlier that like really
stuck out to me is that causeI'm a very God I say this on
every episode now, but I want touse myself as an example.
I'm a very heady person, likeI'm always.
I can't this.
This doesn't go quiet, likeeven in my meditations, like
it's not a thing.
Um, but you're talking abouthow, like tapping in particular
(52:43):
helps you're, you're, it'salmost like a, it's like a
fidget spinner for spirituality.
You're, you're, you're busy,you know, but like by and it, it
maybe shuts you down just alittle bit and like that made me
think, oh man, I wonder ifthat's the trick to like being
more open and receptive I'm Ihave a hard time being in a in a
(53:05):
position of receptivity,because I'm always generating
thoughts and ideas and all thatstuff, but it seems like this
might be the fidget spinner I'vebeen looking for.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
This could be.
This could have a huge impactfor you.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Yeah, you hear that.
Oh, you hear that.
People out there with yourbrains everybody with the brains
.
If you've got the brains, lookout.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:34):
There are times I've even tapped on, even though my
brain is racing.
Yeah, my brain is racing out ofcontrol.
It's okay.
It's okay to have this racingbrain, like if you can't sleep
in the middle of the night orwhenever, or whatever.
You just can't stop your brain.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
You can actually by letting it be okay, right oh my
god, I can't wait for gene toget home.
It's so act because you know,we, we, we taught our daughter
like how to do like basic reggaestuff and she likes it, but
it's so passive.
Yeah, doing this thing for avery busy, busy-bodied, like
little kid is like it might bethe.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
It might be a great, great, great thing for her oh
yeah and our son would love ittoo yeah, we teach them both, we
give them.
You know they have like mantrasat bedtime.
We say like put your hand onyour heart and one on your
stomach and say I'm loved, I'mcalm, I'm secure, I'm safe, that
kind of thing but, this is alittle more active for an active
(54:37):
little jean's got that likethat, that pent-up energy, right
?
Speaker 2 (54:41):
yeah, if I'm just like dude, start tapping, I bet
you get to tap in kid you get totap in you need her, you need
her, yeah yeah, yeah
Speaker 3 (54:53):
eventually she'll be able to do it.
Yeah, but you're gently leadingher is going to kick her off.
Oh yeah, I'll just tell you areal quick story about a little
girl, please, and she was maybefive years old.
I was at a Unity Health Expoand introducing people to
(55:13):
tapping, and she came and shesat in my chair and her feet
were just going like this andshe was kind of just enjoying
the moment.
And she said what do you do?
I said I help people be happy.
And she goes wait, I'll beright back.
And she went and she grabbedher mother oh my gosh Brought
(55:37):
her back to my booth, sat on herlap, and she said my mother has
to know you, but first, beforeI go, I need you to help me with
something.
These kids, yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Kids have a way.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Oh my God.
And she told me exactly whatshe was sad about not being able
to see her stepsister longenough.
We did one round of tapping,she looked at me and she went
I'm good.
And she just popped up, ran offand I worked with all of the
members of their family for alittle while until they were
like we're good that's awesomebless her.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
That is so cute.
They truly know like I reallyfeel like, especially the kids
that are being oh my god, kidshave a way out these days like
have a way of calling you out ina way that you can't contest.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
You just have to like .
You just have to like, submitto it yeah sometimes, sometimes
both of my kids will do that tome.
I'm like oh, I can't even sayit.
If I say anything, they'll justsound like no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no no, no,
(56:51):
about how like you are like ashot of espresso, the best way,
like literally.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
We started this interview and I was like, oh, I
just feel tired.
And then, within like threeminutes, I'm like and what's
next?
Yeah talk to me more, jamie,what I mean, what a gift.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
It's so, so beautiful yeah thank you so much for
spending time with us today.
Tell me, tell everybody whereto find you and what you're
working on next.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
My website is Tap for Happiness and I have a 10-week
program for people to go throughif they just want to like
tackle one thing.
It's like this is the thing,and I meet via Zoom with people
all over the world and it'sperfect because, like I said,
you teach yourself, I teach youhow to do it.
(57:44):
So my greatest excitement is,first of all, with every session
that we spend together, by theend, you're like wow.
By the end, you're like wow, Ifeel so much better, right, and
you really can take somethingthat you need to work on.
I've helped people everythingfrom find someone to be partners
(58:11):
with in their life to accidents, like I said, any anything.
So I have my email is tap forhappiness at gmailcom and my
name is Jamie Lee silver andreach out to me and you can have
(58:32):
your own free moment with mewhere you get to see how my
energy might help you anddetermine that for yourself.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
That's awesome.
Yeah, you're a great person.
Thank you so much for talkingto us.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
And thank you also for, like I know, a lot of these
conversations, like a lot ofthese.
It's a very vulnerable positionto put yourself in to talk
about this stuff because it'shard.
But you know, again, like,thank you so much for like
sharing that vulnerability andhelping people maybe get to the
next phase of their lives thatthey need to get to.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
That's my prayer and hope every day.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
Thank you for listening.
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