May 29, 2025 • 53 mins
What if objects could choose us? In this continuation of our conversation with the one and only Elaine Ireland, we explore the energetic connection between humans and the items we encounter—sometimes briefly, sometimes for a lifetime. Elaine shares eerie and inspiring stories, from a mysteriously vanishing Ouija board to a pawn shop ring that simply wouldn’t "let" her keep it. Along the way, she introduces us to the practice of pyramid cleansing and offers grounded, spiritual tools for understanding the subtle energies that live in our spaces and things.
But this episode goes far beyond objects. Elaine opens up about soul-level memory—what she calls “heart memories”—and how they persist even through aging and cognitive decline. Through deeply personal stories, including one about her 103-year-old aunt, she illustrates how love, presence, and spiritual resonance shape the legacy we leave behind. Plus, she dives into the emotional patterns we unconsciously repeat—like attracting “the same person in different bodies”—and how we can finally break free. If you’re seeking healing, self-awareness, or a new lens on your spiritual path, Elaine’s insights will stay with you long after the episode ends.
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Lauren (00:00):
Hello cosmic creatures.
This is part two of ourinterview with Elaine Ireland.
If you haven't heard part one,back up, go back.
Listen to part one first, don'tmiss it.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:13):
And I'm Frank, because at this point you might have
forgotten.
Lauren (00:18):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this one isepisode 76 of Cla.
Claire Voyaging.
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging.
Frank (00:50):
Hi hi, hello, pretty little babies welcome back
welcome back welcome back topart two this is part two with
elaine ireland if you didn't see, if you didn't catch part one,
go catch part one.
Yeah, you won't do part one, gocatch part one.
Lauren (01:05):
Yeah, you won't do it.
You're going to be like whatare they talking about?
Frank (01:09):
Why did this episode start in the middle?
Lauren (01:11):
What?
This is the middle of aconversation.
I think I missed something.
I think I'm lost.
I'm not sure if I heard thefirst part.
I think our speech pattern isstarting to emulate our son.
Frank (01:29):
Oh, for sure.
Lauren (01:31):
It's podcast time.
It's probably podcast time.
I'm pretty sure You're probablyright.
Hi everyone.
Frank (01:41):
What's going on?
Lauren (01:44):
Guys, this is the second time we've done this intro and
we're just going to be totallyhonest.
It's late because we've beenpacking.
No, frank's been packing, mysweet husband has been doing so
much work.
Frank (02:04):
But let me just totally assure you, the first time we
did this intro it was a banger.
Lauren (02:12):
It slapped, it was great , but what?
Frank (02:14):
happened?
What happened?
I don't know, riverside, sorry,riverside, I'm going to throw
you under the bus.
We got a beep, beep, beep sound.
That's it.
Yeah, so anyway.
Lauren (02:28):
Guys, I just have a shout out to give, and that is
to cedar.
Yeah, thank you, cedar thankyou, cedar cedar donated to our
documentary fundraising campaignthank you and we have, like
half a month, a little more thanhalf a month left of our
campaign.
Elaine (02:45):
We're getting there.
Lauren (02:46):
We're doing it Slow and steady wins the race.
Frank (02:50):
This is going to no matter what it's going to happen
, so oh yeah, Fully believe thatthe universe has our backs.
It's happening.
Lauren (02:57):
Yeah, we are taking a leap of faith once we have the
funds, and the funds will bethere.
Frank (03:02):
So like, like I said, like I said the first time
around, a one Cedar at a time.
Lauren (03:07):
Exactly.
Frank (03:08):
Thank you, cedar.
Lauren (03:08):
If you want to be cool like Cedar and contribute,
you're all cool.
But if you want to be evencooler, go to clear voyagingcom,
slash support and click on thefive.
Oh, one, c, three.
Frank (03:21):
You really show your cards that you were raised with
two older brothers because youhold everyone's coolness over
their head all the time.
Oh, you want to be cool, okay,yeah.
Lauren (03:32):
Say something stupid, Lauren.
Frank (03:34):
Give me your popsicle.
Lauren (03:35):
That was the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life
.
Thank you to my brothers for mytrauma.
Jk, jk.
All right, elaine.
Frank (03:44):
K.
Lauren (03:45):
JK.
Frank (03:46):
All right, elaine.
Lauren (03:47):
OK, well, it's Elaine part two, so you heard part one.
Elaine (03:54):
Let's get back into it and send it.
Here are her amazing stories.
Lauren (03:56):
All right To the moon.
Elaine (04:13):
You know I went to.
I was in Oklahoma many, many,many, many, many years ago to go
to a championship rodeo thingthat a friend of mine rode in A
woman she's 42 years old andstill riding, barrel racing and
winning awards.
Lauren (04:19):
Oh boy.
Elaine (04:20):
Ouch, holy cow, I know she was awesome and this was
going to be her last rodeo.
Like, I know she was awesomeand this was going to be her
last rodeo, of course, a lot ofus that knew her.
We just got in this caravan andwe were going to go and have a
good time.
Well, they also had one of thelargest flea markets.
The rodeo was in conjunctionwith a lot of other stuff going
(04:40):
on in kind of like the Texasfair, the state fairs, you know
that kind of thing.
Yeah, and they had one of thelargest flea markets ever in
Oklahoma at this particularevent.
Well we're, I mean it wouldhave taken two days to hit every
single table and vendor.
I mean it was huge.
Frank (05:00):
That's fun.
Elaine (05:01):
And milling around and doing our thing and I found a
Ouija board that was well-loved,paid $125 for it.
Lauren (05:09):
Oh my gosh.
Elaine (05:10):
It's saying Elaine, what are you doing?
How are you going to buy gasnext week?
Anyway, she had put it in thisreally pretty velvety thing that
looked like it belonged to theboard.
She wasn't sure whether it was,but it fit.
So anyway, and and walkedaround with it.
Walked around with it andsomewhere along the way I put it
(05:33):
down on a table.
And when I went looking for itwe went to the car.
I had my other two purchasesand and one of my girlfriends
saidaine, where's your board?
Because it was in this maroonylooking velvet thing.
That was hard to miss.
And I said oh, my god, I don'tknow.
So three of us, we, we, we wentback in there and kind of
(05:57):
separated and looked for it andnever got it back it left that
was my big signal to not messwith Ouija boards.
Lauren (06:05):
It left you, yeah, wow.
Elaine (06:08):
And I knew that my grandmother had a Ouija board
and it was a single slider.
Lauren (06:13):
Yeah.
Elaine (06:15):
It was just a single slider and she made the slider
herself.
And it was in a hole in it,rather than plastic that covers
the hole.
It just made a hole and sheused it quite often and I never
learned to be afraid of it.
But there might have beensomething about that board.
Of course I would have broughtit home and cleansed it under
(06:35):
the pyramid.
Sure, I would have walkedthrough all that.
Frank (06:38):
Yeah.
Elaine (06:38):
But I was not supposed to have that board and I thought
, okay, all I can do is releaseit and just hope that somebody
gets it that needs it will treatit with kindness, because I was
going to use it as acollector's item, not as a.
Frank (06:52):
I wasn't going to use it oh man, it must have looked cool
.
Wait, I'm sorry, what is?
Lauren (06:56):
cleansed it on the pyramid.
What does that?
What does that mean?
Frank (06:59):
oh I I.
The reason why I moved pastthat so quickly is because I
assumed she has some kind ofquartz crystal pyramid kind of
thing.
Lauren (07:09):
Is that what you're talking about?
Elaine (07:11):
Yeah, the one I had at the time was glass and it was
about 36 inches across I couldput something that big and it
was about two feet tall.
Frank (07:25):
That's amazing, whoa.
Elaine (07:27):
Yeah, it was made by a glass maker here at the store
the shop is called Renaissanceand it was made out of cut glass
.
It was just beautiful and itwas a gift, and it opened one
side, completely open, so youcould put a full size something
in there, and that's where itwould have gone.
(07:49):
And it was stolen, oh my goshWow.
Yeah, so, but I still havesmaller pyramids and when I buy
a new piece of jewelry or a newstone or a new crystal or a new
skull or something like that, Ialways cleanse them.
When I bring things, I smokethings like pieces of furniture.
(08:10):
If they're used, I always do acleansing.
Frank (08:12):
Yeah, so it's funny that you're saying these are just
made out of glass, yeah.
Elaine (08:18):
They can be made out of everything.
I have another one made out of.
I call it plumber's piping.
I have another one made out of.
I call it plumber's piping.
So is it the?
Frank (08:27):
shape that's more important to the clearing than
it is the actual material.
Elaine (08:31):
Yes, it has to be.
If you're going to cleanseunder a pyramid, the dimensions
have to be perfect.
Frank (08:37):
I've never.
I don't know anything aboutthis Me neither.
Lauren (08:39):
That's why I was like what did you?
Just say.
Elaine (08:45):
It sounded so like it's not a pyramid until the
measurements are perfect on allsides.
Lauren (08:51):
Right, oh, okay, t-minus one hour until Frank is looking
up a.
Frank (09:00):
We have 13 pyramids in this house all over the place,
and I'm putting my cup of coffeein there just in case I don't
see okay look, look, look okay.
So it's like all right okay oh,okay.
Lauren (09:14):
So you said also yeah, did you make that?
Elaine (09:21):
no, I bought.
Lauren (09:23):
Okay, but if you're just listening to this, elaine is
showing us a pyramid.
Frank, you're better atdescribing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Frank (09:33):
It's almost like the framing of a pyramid.
There you go.
Yeah, every corner is made outof a pipe.
It's not covered, it's notsolid.
You can stick your hand throughit if you wanted to.
Elaine (09:42):
Right, and you can hang it.
This hung over my bed, over myhead.
Frank (09:47):
Oh Elaine, what is it supposed to do exactly?
Elaine (09:51):
It helps you quiet.
Well in that kind of situation.
It helps you quieten down andsee it just folds.
Frank (09:56):
This one just oh, that's your travel pyramid, sort of
Maybe a little too big for theTSA, but that's okay sort of
maybe a little too big for thetsa, but that's okay, they
probably take it away from me,but it folds up, whoa see now,
see, it's still a pyramid.
Elaine (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I could still use it in different ways.
That's why this one was madethis way but, you never want
your point down okay you wantyour base like that?
Never heard of this this isgreat and it's just supposed to.
Frank (10:32):
Is it for, like energy directing, or what is it?
Elaine (10:35):
cleansing and directing I had.
I bought a ring at a pawn shopand I bought it because of the
mystery around it and I couldtell it was.
It was multi-metal.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, okay, yeah, and it hadswirls inside, inside as well as
(11:00):
outside, and it was thick itwas.
It went from knuckle to knuckleon me and I was surprised it
fit me and it was a ring thatyou couldn't tell whether it was
purposely made for a man or awoman.
It was just, I thought, a reallycool what I thought was silver,
only to find out it was whitegold, right, and it had yellow
(11:21):
gold in it and it had somebronze in it.
There are some bronze symbolson the underneath side and I
thought I'm going to find outabout this ring.
It was obvious that it had beeneither specially made for
somebody or maybe even the owner, but it felt weird to me when I
picked it up and I'm holding itin my hands and I'm rubbing it
and I breath on it and nothingwould change it.
(11:43):
Its energy was just.
I'm not moving.
Lauren (11:46):
Huh, whoa.
Elaine (11:48):
Dang, and I went okay, and I put it back several times
and the young man that washelping me kept.
He said for the third time.
He said and I was checking outwith something else, a guitar in
fact, which I was going to useas a gift and he said you want
to make sure?
Do you want me to hold thatring for you for 24 hours?
(12:09):
And I said no, I'm going to goahead and get it.
And he looked at me reallyfunny and I said what do you
know about this ring?
Yeah, and he told me a littlebit about the guy that had
actually intended to come backand get it, because here in
Texas pawn shop people you cansell it outright, but you have
you have to sign a release sothey can put it immediately into
(12:31):
their, their, their what do youcall it?
Displays, or you can put itlike 30 days or, you know,
sometimes 60 days, depending onthe shop, where you have an
option to come back and get it,buy it back.
So it's a loan thing, which wasthe original use for pawn shops
.
But the guy had called him likethree or four days and said
(12:54):
I've decided to let the ring go.
So he came in and he signed itand signed it off and left it
there.
The owner of the shop, which wassmall, hesitated to put it up
for sale.
He was going to let a jewelermelt, buy it, melt it down
because it was so odd it waseither going to sell immediately
(13:16):
or not at all.
Yeah, and he told me a littlebit about the description of the
guy that sold it and his energy.
And I'm looking at this youngkid talking about energy and I'm
going yeah, you got it, kid,and why selling people typically
do.
Yeah, yeah, they do, and I wasgrateful for it.
(13:38):
Made, took notes, brought ithome, put it under the pyramid.
I left it there for about fourmonths.
Actually, I forgot it was there.
I think I was intended toforget it was there and I had
wrapped it up in a burlap sackand I unwrapped it, left it
exposed, cleansed it with soapand water baking powder, got it
(13:59):
really shiny, pretty, andthought thought, oh, I'd love to
wear that.
And I immediately got no oh no,okay, so I left it there.
I forgot about it and I was inmy office every day but it was
like it was on the peripheralover here and I didn't pay
attention to it.
And finally I had a small groupover one night for cake and
(14:22):
coffee and conversation and oneof the girls spotted it.
My office door was closed and Icame down the hall when I saw
the light she was in here and Ididn't care if she was in here
or not or in my office at thetime, and she said that ring is
beautiful.
And I said does it talk to you?
What's it saying?
We had this conversation and Isaid sweetie, it's been under
(14:46):
there for at least four or fivemonths now and it's the energy
is not budging.
She picked it up withpermission, held it in her hand
and opened it and it was likethat ring had just opened up
whoa.
I said if you want to take ithome and see if it's yours, it's
yours, I'll pay you for it.
Nope, nope.
(15:10):
Next time you make fudge,remember me.
Frank (15:14):
How does that?
Did she ever do anything with?
Elaine (15:17):
it?
Yeah, she wore it all the time.
She had great meditation withit.
What do anything with it?
She wore it, yeah, she wore itall the time.
She had great meditation withit.
What?
She was on the same wavelengthas whoever made it or had it for
a long.
I had a feeling that that ringwas in mourning.
I felt like the ring was feltabandoned by the person that had
taken it to the pawn shop.
(15:38):
It was like it was like a dogwho waited for its owner to
return, that was never going toreturn but wouldn't eat,
wouldn't budge, just waiting tobe retrieved.
And it didn't come back.
And by the time I brought ithome.
So her energy must have beenvery similar to that man.
(15:59):
That man's energy, or the ring,had just given up, but I wasn't
the one that was supposed tohave it, so its way of not
budging was not of not being.
Mine was not budging.
Frank (16:13):
Yeah, how many things are we interacting with every day
where we're like trying to makeit work and it's just not going
to work?
Elaine (16:18):
Not supposed to be ours.
It's not going to work the wayThey'll disappear.
Frank (16:19):
Yeah, trying to make it work and it's just not gonna
work supposed to be ours gonnawork the way they'll disappear
yeah, the way I like talking toyou, because the way that you
make things sound is justeverything's just brimming and
pulsing with energy all the timeand like um it is yeah, yeah,
how many things yeah, what?
Lauren (16:36):
how are we?
We're just like not as.
A lot of us just aren't asaware, or like in tune.
Well, we're paying attention.
We're always talking about thisbeing a lot of us just aren't
as aware, or like in tune, orpaying attention.
Frank (16:43):
We're always talking about this being a game of
subtleties and like reallypicking up on it and like being
aware of it, and that's whereyou start to like, unfold your,
your, your, you know, yourintuition is in paying attention
to those subtle shifts andsubtle changes in energy.
But when you're talking tosomeone like you, who's like so
so aware of it, it's so tangibleto you, it's so fun to be like,
it's a fun reminder for the theless open currently than people
(17:10):
like me, where I'm like oh man,things are like that everywhere
yeah, but that, that, yeah.
Lauren (17:15):
That just opened a whole like understanding for me in
regards to like how we relate orinteract with objects even
around us, or clothing, whereyou're like I just for some
reason, I just love thisparticular, I don't know why I
just love this jacket, or I lovethis necklace or whatever it is
(17:39):
, and then I don't really likethat thing that much or, or for
some reason, I I don't know whyI ever bought it.
Now I can't find it.
That's an interesting thing too.
Elaine (17:48):
Like it was, it wasn't supposed to be mine isn't
interesting have you ever goneshopping for something and you
know the sizes are 12, 14, 16,whatever, and they're 10 of the
exactly the same thing, butyou'll try one on, but you'll
reach for another one to buy it.
Lauren (18:05):
Yes.
Elaine (18:06):
You'll say, I don't want this one, but I want that one.
Lauren (18:09):
Yes.
Elaine (18:10):
And it's the same thing.
It's the same material, samesize same buttons, whatever.
I can't tell you how many timesI've done that.
Frank (18:18):
That is really interesting.
I many times I've done that.
That is really interesting andI've done that too.
Yeah, also, this makes me thinkabout the time that I bought
that e-bike.
I I really thought so we have a, we have a bike this is a weird
anecdote, you know, making youlisten to my bike story.
Elaine (18:31):
But I've, I bought that's okay, we're we, we're
bikers.
Frank (18:35):
It's okay, harleys god, I wish my e-bike was a Harley.
Anyway, I bought an e-bike offof some website.
It was shipping over from China.
This is pre-tariff and I reallythought I'm like I want to go
on family bike rides.
Now, mind you, lauren does notlike biking.
(18:58):
She's not a bicyclist.
I'm not comfortable on a bike.
My daughter had just learned.
I got a seat on the back of mybike for our youngest and I
really wanted Lauren to go on abike ride.
I'm like if this were one ofthose pedal assist bikes, I know
Lauren's going to get on it.
Anyway, long story short, Ispent weeks agonizing over which
(19:20):
was the right one to get and Ifinally ordered it and it never
came, and and like they didn'tcharge me for it or anything
like that, but like I got thenotifications it was oh, it's
been shipped.
Like I'm waiting for theupdates.
You know it's coming overseas,so it's going to take a little
while.
I kept I going to take a littlewhile.
I kept, I kept getting trackinginformation.
It never came.
(19:40):
They refunded it and everything, but come to realize now that
lauren was never going to get onthat bike I was never supposed
to have that bike.
Lauren (19:52):
You were trying to make fetch happen.
Frank (19:53):
I was trying to make fetch happen and that's a mean,
mean girls reference to the show.
But, um, yeah, I mean that wasjust one small example of
something like like the ouijaboard that left you like
sometimes this is not going tohappen.
It's really interesting howmany times like how much
friction we cause in our livestrying to make a thing work and
instead of like going with theflow and learning and adapting
(20:16):
it seems like the way you'rementioning it it seems like a
lot of things you will adapt toeach other, you and your
inanimate object that holds aparticular energy, but some
things won't.
Elaine (20:26):
But part of the learning process.
I'm a big karma person and alearning person.
I believe that everything thathappens in our life teaches us
and we teach it later.
Lauren (20:38):
Yes, that's why we have experiences.
Elaine (20:40):
We can share an experience.
Maybe somebody can learn and go.
Well, maybe I shouldn't climbon that mountain if I don't know
what I'm doing.
I need a different kind of bootfor that walk, yeah, whatever.
But but I really believe thateverything and everybody that we
touch and touches us is for areason.
(21:02):
Even if it's sharing a smile, Idon't care.
There's a karma, that we've along list of karma that we're
going to collect and that we'regoing to create, even if it's
with a kindness or if we walkaway because we ignored somebody
(21:23):
that needed help and then laterwe are conscious, says you
really should have helped.
Okay, that's, we're learningwhat our level of consciousness
is.
Consideration is.
So if it ever happens again, wecan help that person, but we
don't know whether we createdkarma with that person that we
ignored or not.
Right you know what I'm saying.
Lauren (21:44):
Yeah.
Elaine (21:44):
So it's a little bit of both, but not getting a job.
The business that closed down.
You were done.
You were done with all of thosepeople.
You loved it.
You had your experiences.
You got to share them.
You can look back on them,enjoy them.
Your trips to Hawaii, you knowthere was joy in your voice when
you spoke about that, sothere's.
(22:04):
You might remember the food,the people you met, yay.
So maybe someday you will goback to Hawaii and experience
some of those same things.
Take somebody with you that hasnever been there before, and
that's what that's important.
I'm a big people.
I'm a.
I'm an emotional and physicaltouchy.
I believe in hugs and unlesssomebody that and I've known
(22:30):
people that were non-touchable-yeah, yeah, okay.
That's okay, I can go hug hugand we're good.
A couple of people like that,but I can respect that.
But I've never asked any ofthem why not.
Right A couple of people likethat, yeah, but I can respect
that, but I've never asked anyof them.
Why not Right?
Right, I would not.
It's none of my business, right, none.
(22:50):
But I believe that everythingwe say, hear, smell, feel has
its purpose.
It's part of our journey.
Lauren (22:59):
Yeah.
Elaine (22:59):
And if we don't understand it at that moment, we
don't need to, but we will takeit on subconsciously and super
subconsciously so that in anyjourney we take it's always
there.
It's always there and we canpull it up whenever we need it.
Lauren (23:16):
Yeah.
Elaine (23:17):
We don't have to keep it all up here.
We can put it in those filingboxes called subconscious and
super sub.
Super sub doesn't needdirection, it does it anyway.
It's automatic.
Lauren (23:27):
Yeah.
Elaine (23:28):
It just does.
But that also happens with whatwe don't need anymore.
Lauren (23:44):
As a psychic, as a practicing psychic and reader.
Elaine (23:46):
I don't want to and I don't need to remember
everything about a client.
So when they call 10 yearslater I can go oh yeah, no.
But what I know, what I'venoticed over the years, is that
sometimes I carry that too farand I lose memory of what I do
need to remember.
And especially the older that Iget.
Lauren (24:04):
I'm 80.
Frank (24:05):
So at 80 years old.
You do not seem 80.
Elaine (24:09):
Yes, sir, I am.
Frank (24:11):
Wow, you're doing good.
Elaine (24:13):
Thank you, but I've had to train myself to go okay Lane,
this is personal.
You need to remember this.
Frank (24:20):
It's funny hearing that from you, though, because all
the stories you've told us haveseemed so lucid and, like you,
have a very good memory.
Elaine (24:27):
They're part of my soul.
Frank (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're built in.
You built them in.
Elaine (24:31):
Right when something it's not just a brain thing,
it's a soul thing.
Everything you touch, you eat,you smell it's in your soul.
And you touch, you eat, yousmell it's in your soul and and
even if it wasn't important toyou at the moment, it's still
there.
You can pull it up in yourmemory bank Now.
People who have dementia thatdoesn't mean, and my aunt I
(24:53):
lived with my.
I took care of my aunt when she, I think she was going through
some of that.
It was never diagnosed, but Ithink so, and we learned how to
communicate with her when shewas really having a bad episode.
This was a woman who died at103.
Lauren (25:06):
Wow.
Elaine (25:07):
When she was bedridden, I would hear her in her bedroom
as though she was still on thetrain going to another event
with three of her favoritepeople that she taught with.
But to her it was that's whereshe was.
She was on that train goingsomeplace with her friends, and
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you'd hear, we'd hear her laugh,we'd hear her answer a question
.
She was reliving those days andshe'd call out people's names.
She was a teacher for over 70years and she would.
She would talk like she wastalking to one of her classes.
Lauren (25:49):
Wow, that's.
Elaine (25:51):
Amazing, that's not a physical memory, that's a heart
memory.
Lauren (25:55):
Yeah.
Elaine (25:56):
Things that she loved.
I really believe all of that.
I'm convinced that all of thatis in there if it's important,
or even if it isn't sometimes,if it's something we need to be
weary of.
Frank (26:10):
Yes, so that's actually if we are going through our
lives interacting with peopleand objects and the energies
that they carry, and we are Withpeople and objects and the
energies that they carry and weare, like you said, we're
collecting it as part of ourlife experience, as part of our
conscious and subconscious.
Elaine (26:29):
Right.
Frank (26:30):
Something about your aunt that strikes me, because I have
an aunt that's going throughsomething similar right now, but
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it's not like.
How do you make sure that yourheart memories and that your
heart space is full of the goodstuff, your heart space is full
of the good stuff you know?
Like, how do you, how do youalchemize these daily
experiences into a way where,like, if, if you know, if you're
going to be, if you're going tobe sitting bedridden and you're
(27:13):
, you're that you're going torecall the time you're on a
train with your favorite people,instead of something worse.
Elaine (27:21):
You know, I think two things.
There is no guarantee.
Please accept that there is noguarantee of what your memory,
or your heart memory will be.
Number two, if it is part ofyour journey list, before you
ever came back, it's there inyour heart.
Now don't equate heart withpositive feelings or hurt
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feelings.
It's the importance of eitherone of those that makes it a
heart memory.
If something was meant to hurtyou so you would learn a lesson,
it's in your heart.
And if you're sitting or layingin bed and you have no control
about what memory pops intobrain, if that pops in, then
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it's an opportunity for you.
If it's negative or positive,it's your opportunity to review
it and learn from it.
Or say to yourself I don't knowwhy I went through that, but
it's okay, I'll know later.
There should be absolutely noguilt about what you learned or
you did not learn in a lifetime.
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Not everybody gets everythingin the third grade that they'll
need all the way through the12th.
You take it one grade, one stepat a time, and that's what
living life is all about Onestep at a time.
We've all cried tears.
We've all lost control oversomething the death of a parent,
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the love of someone that justslipped away from us or we threw
them away for some reason,losses of jobs that were perfect
, like your experience.
But yet you knew there wassomething else.
It wasn't enough.
Because it wasn't enough?
Because you were on a plan, andyou knew it subconsciously to
(29:15):
have more.
I'm not going to say better,I'm going to say more of what
you intended to learn from.
Does that make sense?
Lauren (29:24):
Yes, yeah.
Elaine (29:25):
So you knew it.
So in a way, you were kind ofsaying this is a great
experience, but I'm going topush this away a little bit.
So even if that company had notclosed down, you would have
ended up leaving.
Frank (29:38):
Yeah.
Elaine (29:38):
Probably been offered a great job, you would have taken
it.
Or you would have decided toopen your own business at a
perfect time, you would havetaken it.
They let you off the hook byclosing down, that's true.
The decision was made for you.
Now there are no guaranteesabout what memories will pop up.
The memories that pop up willbe the ones you are gifted, like
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her gifting herself with thosejoyful experiences, or they will
be memories that maybe not sonice but you still needed to
review, and then you can let itgo because you will let it go.
Frank (30:17):
This is really interesting because it's making
me feel like, even if you'relike you know, mental faculties
deteriorate some it seems likeyou could still maybe find a way
to not have such a rigidmindset, because so many people
go through their lives and theycollect these bad experiences
and they replay it, and theyreplay not only the bad
(30:38):
experience but their reaction tothat bad experience, and
they're living in this pain.
It sounds like the way I'venever heard this before.
It sounds like you'resuggesting that maybe like hey,
here's that situation againwhere you had an opportunity to
learn like you can still learnnow, like alchemize it, process
it in the way that you needed to.
Elaine (30:58):
Yeah, we can, but not every brain is capable.
You can have heart memories,but the brain is not wired to
take care of it.
Spirit is, and if we totallyand completely let spirit teach
us and listen, but not everybodywas born with the ability to do
that.
That wasn't part of theirjourney.
We have physical humanexperiences.
(31:21):
For a reason we kill a cat,pull its head off why?
Why Is it to teach the cat, whowas a panther at one time and
killed us?
Was it between us?
Or was that the beginning of aserial killer?
Because that's what that lifehad decided they would do before
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they ever came back Now?
Perfect example is yoursituation in Cuba.
Your parents went through a lotof cruelty just because of
somebody's greed and ego.
Right, they learned how not tobehave that way with other
people.
They could have said he's agood example.
(32:09):
He taught me how to steal.
I'll never be hungry.
Your folks had a choice.
They chose not to be that way.
They chose to come here, builda life, show compassion.
Never repeat the same way thatpolitical leader lived, treated
people.
So your people brought joy hereand hard work and became
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something opposite of what theyleft.
That was their journey they mayhave talked about what happened
in Cuba.
Did they come through Florida?
Frank (32:46):
They came through Mexico actually.
Elaine (32:49):
Okay, well, the people that came through Cuba, I mean
came from Cuba into Florida.
They built a whole Cubancommunity.
Frank (32:56):
They did A lot of.
My family has moved to Floridasince because of that community.
Elaine (33:00):
Right.
And they said Americans, youstay on your side of the street,
we'll stay on ours for at leastone full generation.
Yeah, meanwhile building theirrestaurants, their businesses,
learning to trust Americans,even though Americans were
accepting of them, but stillsaid are you terrorists?
Yeah, you're bringing Castro?
(33:24):
No, we don't think so.
You could be, not what you'resaying.
So that trust had to be builtand once it was, they actually
started mingling, althoughthere's still a Cuban community.
Frank (33:36):
Yes.
Elaine (33:37):
Who still doesn't trust.
Frankly, I can't blame them,but it's getting better.
It's taken a couple ofgenerations now, but it's
getting better.
It's taking a couple ofgenerations now, but it's
getting better yeah but what canwe as a community learn from
their pain?
How are we supposed to betreating those immigrants then,
(33:58):
legal or otherwise?
Some of them just washed ashorewith nothing yeah, yeah.
That's it.
So how do we take on thatcommunity and take care of them,
trust them, which not everybodydid, but we knew they needed
something, even if it was justfor the first month they were
(34:19):
here.
They needed a bath and food andshelter.
And how did we help them?
That's a hard journey to takeyes it's a really hard journey
and I feel sorry for people thathave to go through anything
like that.
It's still part of your traumastuff that you were talking
about a while ago.
But the memories that yourpeople or people that come from
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a different path what are theirmemories going to be like when
they can't consciously,intentionally bring up a memory?
Are they going to remember thefood that they can never, ever
get to taste exactly like it wasin Cuba because they couldn't
get the ingredients here?
Maybe they can now, but I doubtthat they could then.
Lauren (35:05):
Yeah right.
Elaine (35:06):
Different spices, different earth, that fruits and
vegetables were grown in.
So what do they remember whenthey start sitting and
daydreaming and remember theroads that they walked or the
people that they knew that theycould no longer ever see again,
those are the memories thatwould probably come up without
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difficulty.
The ones that they don't wantto remember are the ones that
they had to go get in a boat androw fast or get on a plane and
hope they wouldn't be kicked off, which happened occasionally.
And those are the memories thatwe don't have any guarantee
(35:46):
will ever go away.
And when we have no consciousability to say I don't want to
remember that, go away, go away,yeah, because we've got
dementia or you know whatever,we have to let those memories
float and just pass and say,okay, what did I learn from that
(36:08):
experience?
Well, it happened to me.
I didn't learn.
I was just mean.
Just mean.
I was a kid, I didn't deservethat.
If you don't agree with pastlives and you don't believe in
you're here for lessons, then,yeah, you're going to have a lot
of retained anger and fear.
If, as an adult, you can sayI'm not that child anymore.
(36:31):
It helped me become the man,the woman that I am today and I
don't have to be ugly because atfive, six and seven I had to go
through that.
I didn't ask for that.
I had to go through that.
I didn't ask for that.
Yeah, you did.
If you live in a spiritualworld, yeah, you did.
(36:52):
But you don't have to stay there, and even to this day I know
adults that are still staying inthat space.
Lauren (37:00):
Oh yeah.
Frank (37:00):
Yeah.
Lauren (37:05):
The choice to hold on to that animosity or that pain is
a choice.
Elaine (37:07):
The experience, the story all of it, yeah, but I
also have clients that have usedthat to go to get degrees in
psychology to help people notget stuck.
Lauren (37:17):
Mm-hmm.
Elaine (37:18):
Or become fabulous chefs , so they can recreate that
comfort food.
Frank (37:25):
Yeah.
Lauren (37:25):
Yeah, that's when we talk about turning trauma into
wisdom for others.
Frank (37:32):
The transmutation.
Lauren (37:34):
Yeah, transmuting, that's part of my little
coaching thing too.
Do that Using my experiences togo like you don't have to come
on.
Did you say your littlecoaching thing?
I have you don't have to comeon.
Like you know.
Did you say your?
Frank (37:46):
little coaching, I did I didn't mean to say little.
Gross.
Lauren (37:50):
Let me say that again.
My coaching and empowerment, umbusiness and workshops.
To, yeah, bring people out ofthe trauma and into like it
doesn't, you don't have to staydown there.
Stay, you the trauma and intolike it doesn't.
You don't have to stay downthere.
Stay, you know, come on yeah.
Elaine (38:07):
You know, and the sad part is the reality is not
everyone is capable of comingout of, is growing out of.
But the good side of that isthey had that experience, so now
they can teach others how notto hurt people.
Lauren (38:25):
Right, yeah, or yeah.
Elaine (38:27):
Or be hurt.
It's you know.
To use an example, there aremen and women who constantly go
into the same relationships overand, over and over again.
I don't care if one guy's thebanker, the next one is the
biker, the next one is amechanic, the next one is a
millionaire.
They're all the same people.
(38:47):
Yeah, they're going to get thecrap out of you on Friday night.
Lauren (38:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine (38:52):
Period, but yet we keep pulling.
There's something about thatenergy.
What is it?
Or the guy who just treatsevery woman in his life like
she's a queen and he keeps being?
Drawn to these women that aregoing to be treated like a queen
and you will never be able togive me a big enough dime yeah,
(39:15):
you know that.
And their heartbreaks, becausewe've all known that guy.
He could.
He just gets his heart brokenby the same, the same person in
a different body.
Lauren (39:26):
Yeah.
Elaine (39:27):
Why.
Lauren (39:28):
Yeah.
Elaine (39:28):
You know, and I've asked clients that why do you keep
walking into this?
You have to hit yourself overthe head with this.
I've done the same thing withwomen.
Why you know this is going tohappen.
How many times in bones do youneed to have broken before you
see yourself as a stronger, moredeserving person?
Lauren (39:50):
yeah, when will the lesson actually land and you
like do something with it?
Frank (39:56):
yeah and if for no reason , just so that you don't when
you're, when you're old and inbed, you're not just reliving
this experience, you putyourself through a hundred times
over.
Elaine (40:09):
Addicts do the same thing.
All kinds of addicts, alcohol,drugs those are physical
ailments.
Don't misunderstand me.
There is an illness there, butit can be a psychological mixed
with a chemical illness.
It can be any number of things.
I have not lived that life so Idon't feel like I can say too
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much about it.
But I witness how people gothrough that and how they come
out of it.
I have several friends that Ilook at and go, wow, I knew you
were so drunk, can stand up muchless, put five sentences
together and now they've gotfabulous jobs, great educations,
but they had to have thatbefore they could do be
(40:53):
successes.
Yeah, and some of them breakthe chain of their lineage the
first ones that didn't overdose,the first ones that didn't kill
somebody when they were drivingdrunk or you know whatever.
(41:14):
But it's all part of thejourney, and I know I use that
word a lot, but everything we dois part of a journey.
How do you break a cycle?
You have to learn it.
Some people observe it.
You know, in my life my parentsat both times were alcoholics
at different times in theirlives and I never liked the
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smell or taste of beer, it justblech.
Just to this day, the only timeI would ever drink a beer and I
really didn't drink it was whenwe were in the middle of the
lake on a very hot day and thatwas the only thing we had was
Coors on ice and we didn't havebottled water.
Lauren (41:53):
Yeah.
Frank (41:55):
And listen.
Let's be honest.
The alcohol, the alcohol volumeof Coors, is probably a
hydrating at the end of the day.
Elaine (42:00):
Yeah, and I would usually chug about a half of it
and hand it to somebody on theboat.
You know, I mean that was it.
Lauren (42:08):
Yeah.
Elaine (42:09):
And and I never really cared about alcohol, like until
I was in my mid 20s and Imarried an alcoholic.
Well, I didn't know he was analcoholic when I married him.
Yeah, but he was, and once thatwas going for over I just
walked away.
Lauren (42:27):
Yeah.
Elaine (42:29):
But I had to have that journey with that particular man
to understand why my stepdadand my mom who they were.
And then I was able to get adivorce and never look back and
I was able to stop blaming mymom and my stepdad for who they
were.
Wow, I had to.
Lauren (42:46):
they were Wow.
Elaine (42:47):
I had to live it before I could do that.
Frank (42:50):
I mean, it's such an interesting point and I've been
accused of being at risk of youknow what.
Taking 10 years to learn a10-day lesson having, um, the
(43:10):
thing that's been a big deal islike how many times do you have
to repeat this thing for you toact, for it to land, for you to
try something new, for you tofor something to click?
You know what I mean?
And, and, yeah, I'm, I'm.
I know lauren is too.
We're trying to be so much moreaware of of these cycles that
we keep landing in yeah and like, and, and, while we're in it,
if we've managed to putourselves in it again, finding a
(43:32):
new exit and making sure wedon't come back to it.
Elaine (43:35):
But no, every time you do it, you're learning more.
Yeah, yeah, and even if you getout of the cycle somewhere down
the road there may be anopportunity.
Call it a temptation.
Lauren (43:49):
Yeah.
Elaine (43:50):
So you look at it as I know better than to do that.
But what did I not learn lasttime?
So, before you go into thetemptation, you give yourself
enough time to think about thepast.
Frank (44:06):
Yeah, make sense, sense, oh, it does I just encountered
my first real big test for thiscurrent cycle.
I'm in and I passed.
I passed.
Elaine (44:14):
I did a good job, yeah we don't always know what's in
that bundle there could be somenew lesson and people will go.
I gotta go find Find out whatelse.
Frank (44:22):
Right, yeah, then you're not done.
Elaine (44:38):
We do.
Sometimes, once we're very,very aware, we do get the
opportunity to draw a temptationon purpose.
Just to see where our strengthsand our weaknesses are.
It's that okay, I'm going to awedding.
I I've been sober for 15 years,but I really want a sip of that
champagne to celebrate.
Yeah, I just want one sip whichcould send that person off on a
(45:02):
junket they don't need rightthey can, they can, they can
click a glass of non-alcoholicsomething and it's just as
important.
Frank (45:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I was just encountered witha situation where I knew someone
at a good company the job.
Then they're like, hey, I askedthem about something entirely
different and they're like, bythe way, this position just
opened and we think you'd begreat for it and it pays exactly
what you want.
And also, um, like, literallyit's.
(45:32):
It was such a unique positionthat I'm like, oh, I've done
this and I'd be, I could do thiseasily.
It was I, I.
It was tough Cause I had to lookat Lauren, lauren, I know we're
looking for more financialcomfort right now, but I can't
take this job because I'm goingfor something new and I've done
this a hundred times throughalready and it never ends the
(45:54):
way I wanted to and I get stuckand I have to relearn the lesson
all over again.
So, at, even though logically itwas the wrong choice to make, I
was like, well, this is funny,I'm, I'm letting go of a, a you
know six figure job that I'mlike would be a walk in the park
for me.
It was like I have to chasethis authentic like creativity
(46:18):
right now, and so, like I, I,what I did was actually made a
proposal.
I said I don't want to do itthe way you're saying it, but I
will say I will do this much sofinding out like how much of how
much of that is appropriate forme.
So for me, in particular, itwas.
I need to break out of theconfines of like working in a
traditional structure and Ioffered my services as a
(46:39):
contractor, on my terms.
Elaine (46:43):
And yeah, yeah, yeah Well.
Frank (46:46):
I mean.
I mean, I haven't heard back,so maybe not, but you know.
Lauren (46:50):
However, it's valuing yourself in a different, in a
whole different category, asopposed to what the.
The other thing that you alwaysdid was I'm going to work for
someone else.
They're going to tell meexactly what to do.
It's going to take up all of mytime.
It's going to make me like kindof miserable, yeah, and I'm not
going to be aligned.
Someone else.
They're going to tell meexactly what to do.
It's going to take up all of mytime.
It's going to make me like kindof miserable and I'm not going
to be aligned with what I'mactually supposed to be doing.
Frank (47:09):
Right, I cannot step into that traditional structure
anymore unless it's on my terms,yeah, and even if that's, even
if that it doesn't work out,it's like that's a If the payoff
(47:33):
is holding on to my own valuesand staying in the space where I
can become who I want to become.
Elaine (47:35):
You said something earlier about learning your
worth.
Lauren (47:38):
Yes.
Elaine (47:39):
I think you've already learned your worth.
Frank (47:43):
Yeah, I think I finally just got this, but it took me
too long.
I mean, it took as long as it'sgoing to take.
But I think if I were more inthis space of being more
receptive and seeing how lifelessons come at you, instead of
just feeling like everything ischaotic and things don't have as
much meaning as I've given themnow, I think I could have
(48:03):
learned this sooner, but now youknow.
Elaine (48:06):
You weren't supposed to, I wasn't supposed to this.
Frank (48:09):
There was a little bit of there's a value in, in, in the
struggle.
Struggle only in that I can nowso quickly identify it since
hindsight's 2020.
Right, I see all the times I'vemade the mistake, and this was
the time where I went oh whatwas I doing?
I get it now, you know.
So yeah, that's these little.
(48:29):
I think I graduated.
I think I graduated and I'm onto the next lesson.
Elaine (48:36):
Every lesson, every level.
I don't even like that wordbecause I look at them as
lessons rather than levels.
But people understand the wordlevel, yeah Right, and they're
afraid of lessons at them aslessons rather than levels.
But people understand the wordlevel, yeah Right, and they're
afraid of lessons.
So well, go learn your lesson.
You know, that's how a lot ofus equate the word lesson.
Lauren (48:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine (48:57):
But when somebody is asking for what the two of you
have been asking of your guest,teach us so we can share it with
who's listening.
You really have already putyourself in the position of
teachers and mentors.
Frank (49:15):
That's true, yeah.
Elaine (49:17):
And yet you're not looking at yourselves in that
way.
Lauren (49:21):
But that's also true, yeah.
Elaine (49:23):
You're mentoring without ever using that word mentor by
what you're exposing your publicto your listeners, to that's
true.
Lauren (49:32):
Yeah, we don't, we don't , so take it that category.
Frank (49:35):
That is a good point.
Lauren (49:36):
Take it.
Frank (49:36):
I always take that Thank you, especially because there's
no way around it.
I am an anti-authoritarianperson and putting myself in
this position where you canlearn from me not by me telling
you, but by you observing me anddoing it publicly and being
okay with being an open book andwith sharing my vulnerabilities
(49:57):
, it's allowing people to walkbeside me as we explore things
together.
This is a anti a antihierarchical mentorship.
Lauren (50:09):
I like that.
That's good.
Frank (50:13):
I hope so.
Elaine (50:15):
Well, you're going to be doing this for quite a while,
so you've already got 70, 70plus episodes.
Frank (50:20):
So yeah, and I'm having too much fun talking to people
like you.
You're amazing.
Elaine (50:26):
Yeah, it's been fun.
It really has.
I was looking.
I've been looking forward tothis, thank you.
Frank (50:30):
Elaine, tell everybody where to find you and what your
current services are, and pleaseplug yourself.
Elaine (50:34):
Please plug myself, oh, dear.
Conversation with the Ancientspodcast, and the subline is A
Journey with Elaine Irelandjourney with Elaine Ireland.
It is a composite of peoplethat have been in the business
for the business of psychic workfor oh, one of them already 50,
60 years, and I do have themclassified but that's a loose
(50:56):
classification like newbies, theones that have been doing it at
their home for 10 years, butnow they're coming out, yeah,
all the way to established folksthat are doing it on a full
time basis, to people that arelegends who have passed on.
Let's see, I do readingsprivate.
I do not do Zoom readings folks.
(51:17):
I'm sorry I can't do thisbusiness.
My head's going up and downbetween the cards, anyway, but I
teach classes Tarot classesours, anyway, but I teach
classes, tarot classes.
I've been instructed by myspiritual guides that my classes
are now going to be a lot morein-depth and longer.
They'll be 12 months to 16months, once a week, probably
(51:38):
two or three hours a week, andpresentation will be pretty much
what I've always been doing,but just really more in depth.
Those are, those are.
You can find me on Facebook andI still do some mentoring Not
as much as I used to, but, but Ido.
It depends on what people need,so that's it.
Frank (52:01):
Oh man.
Well, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you so much for spendingthis much time with us, I think.
I think you're officially ourlongest interview.
Lauren (52:08):
Yeah, are we?
Elaine (52:09):
I would think so too.
Now we can talk easily with oneanother.
That's great.
Frank (52:12):
Yeah, yeah, this is going to be fantastic.
Elaine (52:14):
It's been fun and it's been an honor to be on the
podcast.
Frank (52:28):
Y'all are doing a great service here.
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Hello cosmic creatures.
This is part two of ourinterview with Elaine Ireland.
If you haven't heard part one,back up, go back.
Listen to part one first, don'tmiss it.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:13):
And I'm Frank, because at this point you might have
forgotten.
Lauren (00:18):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
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Frank (00:50):
Hi hi, hello, pretty little babies welcome back
welcome back welcome back topart two this is part two with
elaine ireland if you didn't see, if you didn't catch part one,
go catch part one.
Yeah, you won't do part one, gocatch part one.
Lauren (01:05):
Yeah, you won't do it.
You're going to be like whatare they talking about?
Frank (01:09):
Why did this episode start in the middle?
Lauren (01:11):
What?
This is the middle of aconversation.
I think I missed something.
I think I'm lost.
I'm not sure if I heard thefirst part.
I think our speech pattern isstarting to emulate our son.
Frank (01:29):
Oh, for sure.
Lauren (01:31):
It's podcast time.
It's probably podcast time.
I'm pretty sure You're probablyright.
Hi everyone.
Frank (01:41):
What's going on?
Lauren (01:44):
Guys, this is the second time we've done this intro and
we're just going to be totallyhonest.
It's late because we've beenpacking.
No, frank's been packing, mysweet husband has been doing so
much work.
Frank (02:04):
But let me just totally assure you, the first time we
did this intro it was a banger.
Lauren (02:12):
It slapped, it was great , but what?
Frank (02:14):
happened?
What happened?
I don't know, riverside, sorry,riverside, I'm going to throw
you under the bus.
We got a beep, beep, beep sound.
That's it.
Yeah, so anyway.
Lauren (02:28):
Guys, I just have a shout out to give, and that is
to cedar.
Yeah, thank you, cedar thankyou, cedar cedar donated to our
documentary fundraising campaignthank you and we have, like
half a month, a little more thanhalf a month left of our
campaign.
Elaine (02:45):
We're getting there.
Lauren (02:46):
We're doing it Slow and steady wins the race.
Frank (02:50):
This is going to no matter what it's going to happen
, so oh yeah, Fully believe thatthe universe has our backs.
It's happening.
Lauren (02:57):
Yeah, we are taking a leap of faith once we have the
funds, and the funds will bethere.
Frank (03:02):
So like, like I said, like I said the first time
around, a one Cedar at a time.
Lauren (03:07):
Exactly.
Frank (03:08):
Thank you, cedar.
Lauren (03:08):
If you want to be cool like Cedar and contribute,
you're all cool.
But if you want to be evencooler, go to clear voyagingcom,
slash support and click on thefive.
Oh, one, c, three.
Frank (03:21):
You really show your cards that you were raised with
two older brothers because youhold everyone's coolness over
their head all the time.
Oh, you want to be cool, okay,yeah.
Lauren (03:32):
Say something stupid, Lauren.
Frank (03:34):
Give me your popsicle.
Lauren (03:35):
That was the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life
.
Thank you to my brothers for mytrauma.
Jk, jk.
All right, elaine.
Frank (03:44):
K.
Lauren (03:45):
JK.
Frank (03:46):
All right, elaine.
Lauren (03:47):
OK, well, it's Elaine part two, so you heard part one.
Elaine (03:54):
Let's get back into it and send it.
Here are her amazing stories.
Lauren (03:56):
All right To the moon.
Elaine (04:13):
You know I went to.
I was in Oklahoma many, many,many, many, many years ago to go
to a championship rodeo thingthat a friend of mine rode in A
woman she's 42 years old andstill riding, barrel racing and
winning awards.
Lauren (04:19):
Oh boy.
Elaine (04:20):
Ouch, holy cow, I know she was awesome and this was
going to be her last rodeo.
Like, I know she was awesomeand this was going to be her
last rodeo, of course, a lot ofus that knew her.
We just got in this caravan andwe were going to go and have a
good time.
Well, they also had one of thelargest flea markets.
The rodeo was in conjunctionwith a lot of other stuff going
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on in kind of like the Texasfair, the state fairs, you know
that kind of thing.
Yeah, and they had one of thelargest flea markets ever in
Oklahoma at this particularevent.
Well we're, I mean it wouldhave taken two days to hit every
single table and vendor.
I mean it was huge.
Frank (05:00):
That's fun.
Elaine (05:01):
And milling around and doing our thing and I found a
Ouija board that was well-loved,paid $125 for it.
Lauren (05:09):
Oh my gosh.
Elaine (05:10):
It's saying Elaine, what are you doing?
How are you going to buy gasnext week?
Anyway, she had put it in thisreally pretty velvety thing that
looked like it belonged to theboard.
She wasn't sure whether it was,but it fit.
So anyway, and and walkedaround with it.
Walked around with it andsomewhere along the way I put it
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down on a table.
And when I went looking for itwe went to the car.
I had my other two purchasesand and one of my girlfriends
saidaine, where's your board?
Because it was in this maroonylooking velvet thing.
That was hard to miss.
And I said oh, my god, I don'tknow.
So three of us, we, we, we wentback in there and kind of
(05:57):
separated and looked for it andnever got it back it left that
was my big signal to not messwith Ouija boards.
Lauren (06:05):
It left you, yeah, wow.
Elaine (06:08):
And I knew that my grandmother had a Ouija board
and it was a single slider.
Lauren (06:13):
Yeah.
Elaine (06:15):
It was just a single slider and she made the slider
herself.
And it was in a hole in it,rather than plastic that covers
the hole.
It just made a hole and sheused it quite often and I never
learned to be afraid of it.
But there might have beensomething about that board.
Of course I would have broughtit home and cleansed it under
(06:35):
the pyramid.
Sure, I would have walkedthrough all that.
Frank (06:38):
Yeah.
Elaine (06:38):
But I was not supposed to have that board and I thought
, okay, all I can do is releaseit and just hope that somebody
gets it that needs it will treatit with kindness, because I was
going to use it as acollector's item, not as a.
Frank (06:52):
I wasn't going to use it oh man, it must have looked cool
.
Wait, I'm sorry, what is?
Lauren (06:56):
cleansed it on the pyramid.
What does that?
What does that mean?
Frank (06:59):
oh I I.
The reason why I moved pastthat so quickly is because I
assumed she has some kind ofquartz crystal pyramid kind of
thing.
Lauren (07:09):
Is that what you're talking about?
Elaine (07:11):
Yeah, the one I had at the time was glass and it was
about 36 inches across I couldput something that big and it
was about two feet tall.
Frank (07:25):
That's amazing, whoa.
Elaine (07:27):
Yeah, it was made by a glass maker here at the store
the shop is called Renaissanceand it was made out of cut glass
.
It was just beautiful and itwas a gift, and it opened one
side, completely open, so youcould put a full size something
in there, and that's where itwould have gone.
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And it was stolen, oh my goshWow.
Yeah, so, but I still havesmaller pyramids and when I buy
a new piece of jewelry or a newstone or a new crystal or a new
skull or something like that, Ialways cleanse them.
When I bring things, I smokethings like pieces of furniture.
(08:10):
If they're used, I always do acleansing.
Frank (08:12):
Yeah, so it's funny that you're saying these are just
made out of glass, yeah.
Elaine (08:18):
They can be made out of everything.
I have another one made out of.
I call it plumber's piping.
I have another one made out of.
I call it plumber's piping.
So is it the?
Frank (08:27):
shape that's more important to the clearing than
it is the actual material.
Elaine (08:31):
Yes, it has to be.
If you're going to cleanseunder a pyramid, the dimensions
have to be perfect.
Frank (08:37):
I've never.
I don't know anything aboutthis Me neither.
Lauren (08:39):
That's why I was like what did you?
Just say.
Elaine (08:45):
It sounded so like it's not a pyramid until the
measurements are perfect on allsides.
Lauren (08:51):
Right, oh, okay, t-minus one hour until Frank is looking
up a.
Frank (09:00):
We have 13 pyramids in this house all over the place,
and I'm putting my cup of coffeein there just in case I don't
see okay look, look, look okay.
So it's like all right okay oh,okay.
Lauren (09:14):
So you said also yeah, did you make that?
Elaine (09:21):
no, I bought.
Lauren (09:23):
Okay, but if you're just listening to this, elaine is
showing us a pyramid.
Frank, you're better atdescribing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Frank (09:33):
It's almost like the framing of a pyramid.
There you go.
Yeah, every corner is made outof a pipe.
It's not covered, it's notsolid.
You can stick your hand throughit if you wanted to.
Elaine (09:42):
Right, and you can hang it.
This hung over my bed, over myhead.
Frank (09:47):
Oh Elaine, what is it supposed to do exactly?
Elaine (09:51):
It helps you quiet.
Well in that kind of situation.
It helps you quieten down andsee it just folds.
Frank (09:56):
This one just oh, that's your travel pyramid, sort of
Maybe a little too big for theTSA, but that's okay sort of
maybe a little too big for thetsa, but that's okay, they
probably take it away from me,but it folds up, whoa see now,
see, it's still a pyramid.
Elaine (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, so I could still use it in different ways.
That's why this one was madethis way but, you never want
your point down okay you wantyour base like that?
Never heard of this this isgreat and it's just supposed to.
Frank (10:32):
Is it for, like energy directing, or what is it?
Elaine (10:35):
cleansing and directing I had.
I bought a ring at a pawn shopand I bought it because of the
mystery around it and I couldtell it was.
It was multi-metal.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, okay, yeah, and it hadswirls inside, inside as well as
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outside, and it was thick itwas.
It went from knuckle to knuckleon me and I was surprised it
fit me and it was a ring thatyou couldn't tell whether it was
purposely made for a man or awoman.
It was just, I thought, a reallycool what I thought was silver,
only to find out it was whitegold, right, and it had yellow
(11:21):
gold in it and it had somebronze in it.
There are some bronze symbolson the underneath side and I
thought I'm going to find outabout this ring.
It was obvious that it had beeneither specially made for
somebody or maybe even the owner, but it felt weird to me when I
picked it up and I'm holding itin my hands and I'm rubbing it
and I breath on it and nothingwould change it.
(11:43):
Its energy was just.
I'm not moving.
Lauren (11:46):
Huh, whoa.
Elaine (11:48):
Dang, and I went okay, and I put it back several times
and the young man that washelping me kept.
He said for the third time.
He said and I was checking outwith something else, a guitar in
fact, which I was going to useas a gift and he said you want
to make sure?
Do you want me to hold thatring for you for 24 hours?
(12:09):
And I said no, I'm going to goahead and get it.
And he looked at me reallyfunny and I said what do you
know about this ring?
Yeah, and he told me a littlebit about the guy that had
actually intended to come backand get it, because here in
Texas pawn shop people you cansell it outright, but you have
you have to sign a release sothey can put it immediately into
(12:31):
their, their, their what do youcall it?
Displays, or you can put itlike 30 days or, you know,
sometimes 60 days, depending onthe shop, where you have an
option to come back and get it,buy it back.
So it's a loan thing, which wasthe original use for pawn shops
.
But the guy had called him likethree or four days and said
(12:54):
I've decided to let the ring go.
So he came in and he signed itand signed it off and left it
there.
The owner of the shop, which wassmall, hesitated to put it up
for sale.
He was going to let a jewelermelt, buy it, melt it down
because it was so odd it waseither going to sell immediately
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or not at all.
Yeah, and he told me a littlebit about the description of the
guy that sold it and his energy.
And I'm looking at this youngkid talking about energy and I'm
going yeah, you got it, kid,and why selling people typically
do.
Yeah, yeah, they do, and I wasgrateful for it.
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Made, took notes, brought ithome, put it under the pyramid.
I left it there for about fourmonths.
Actually, I forgot it was there.
I think I was intended toforget it was there and I had
wrapped it up in a burlap sackand I unwrapped it, left it
exposed, cleansed it with soapand water baking powder, got it
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really shiny, pretty, andthought thought, oh, I'd love to
wear that.
And I immediately got no oh no,okay, so I left it there.
I forgot about it and I was inmy office every day but it was
like it was on the peripheralover here and I didn't pay
attention to it.
And finally I had a small groupover one night for cake and
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coffee and conversation and oneof the girls spotted it.
My office door was closed and Icame down the hall when I saw
the light she was in here and Ididn't care if she was in here
or not or in my office at thetime, and she said that ring is
beautiful.
And I said does it talk to you?
What's it saying?
We had this conversation and Isaid sweetie, it's been under
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there for at least four or fivemonths now and it's the energy
is not budging.
She picked it up withpermission, held it in her hand
and opened it and it was likethat ring had just opened up
whoa.
I said if you want to take ithome and see if it's yours, it's
yours, I'll pay you for it.
Nope, nope.
(15:10):
Next time you make fudge,remember me.
Frank (15:14):
How does that?
Did she ever do anything with?
Elaine (15:17):
it?
Yeah, she wore it all the time.
She had great meditation withit.
What do anything with it?
She wore it, yeah, she wore itall the time.
She had great meditation withit.
What?
She was on the same wavelengthas whoever made it or had it for
a long.
I had a feeling that that ringwas in mourning.
I felt like the ring was feltabandoned by the person that had
taken it to the pawn shop.
(15:38):
It was like it was like a dogwho waited for its owner to
return, that was never going toreturn but wouldn't eat,
wouldn't budge, just waiting tobe retrieved.
And it didn't come back.
And by the time I brought ithome.
So her energy must have beenvery similar to that man.
(15:59):
That man's energy, or the ring,had just given up, but I wasn't
the one that was supposed tohave it, so its way of not
budging was not of not being.
Mine was not budging.
Frank (16:13):
Yeah, how many things are we interacting with every day
where we're like trying to makeit work and it's just not going
to work?
Elaine (16:18):
Not supposed to be ours.
It's not going to work the wayThey'll disappear.
Frank (16:19):
Yeah, trying to make it work and it's just not gonna
work supposed to be ours gonnawork the way they'll disappear
yeah, the way I like talking toyou, because the way that you
make things sound is justeverything's just brimming and
pulsing with energy all the timeand like um it is yeah, yeah,
how many things yeah, what?
Lauren (16:36):
how are we?
We're just like not as.
A lot of us just aren't asaware, or like in tune.
Well, we're paying attention.
We're always talking about thisbeing a lot of us just aren't
as aware, or like in tune, orpaying attention.
Frank (16:43):
We're always talking about this being a game of
subtleties and like reallypicking up on it and like being
aware of it, and that's whereyou start to like, unfold your,
your, your, you know, yourintuition is in paying attention
to those subtle shifts andsubtle changes in energy.
But when you're talking tosomeone like you, who's like so
so aware of it, it's so tangibleto you, it's so fun to be like,
it's a fun reminder for the theless open currently than people
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like me, where I'm like oh man,things are like that everywhere
yeah, but that, that, yeah.
Lauren (17:15):
That just opened a whole like understanding for me in
regards to like how we relate orinteract with objects even
around us, or clothing, whereyou're like I just for some
reason, I just love thisparticular, I don't know why I
just love this jacket, or I lovethis necklace or whatever it is
(17:39):
, and then I don't really likethat thing that much or, or for
some reason, I I don't know whyI ever bought it.
Now I can't find it.
That's an interesting thing too.
Elaine (17:48):
Like it was, it wasn't supposed to be mine isn't
interesting have you ever goneshopping for something and you
know the sizes are 12, 14, 16,whatever, and they're 10 of the
exactly the same thing, butyou'll try one on, but you'll
reach for another one to buy it.
Lauren (18:05):
Yes.
Elaine (18:06):
You'll say, I don't want this one, but I want that one.
Lauren (18:09):
Yes.
Elaine (18:10):
And it's the same thing.
It's the same material, samesize same buttons, whatever.
I can't tell you how many timesI've done that.
Frank (18:18):
That is really interesting.
I many times I've done that.
That is really interesting andI've done that too.
Yeah, also, this makes me thinkabout the time that I bought
that e-bike.
I I really thought so we have a, we have a bike this is a weird
anecdote, you know, making youlisten to my bike story.
Elaine (18:31):
But I've, I bought that's okay, we're we, we're
bikers.
Frank (18:35):
It's okay, harleys god, I wish my e-bike was a Harley.
Anyway, I bought an e-bike offof some website.
It was shipping over from China.
This is pre-tariff and I reallythought I'm like I want to go
on family bike rides.
Now, mind you, lauren does notlike biking.
(18:58):
She's not a bicyclist.
I'm not comfortable on a bike.
My daughter had just learned.
I got a seat on the back of mybike for our youngest and I
really wanted Lauren to go on abike ride.
I'm like if this were one ofthose pedal assist bikes, I know
Lauren's going to get on it.
Anyway, long story short, Ispent weeks agonizing over which
(19:20):
was the right one to get and Ifinally ordered it and it never
came, and and like they didn'tcharge me for it or anything
like that, but like I got thenotifications it was oh, it's
been shipped.
Like I'm waiting for theupdates.
You know it's coming overseas,so it's going to take a little
while.
I kept I going to take a littlewhile.
I kept, I kept getting trackinginformation.
It never came.
(19:40):
They refunded it and everything, but come to realize now that
lauren was never going to get onthat bike I was never supposed
to have that bike.
Lauren (19:52):
You were trying to make fetch happen.
Frank (19:53):
I was trying to make fetch happen and that's a mean,
mean girls reference to the show.
But, um, yeah, I mean that wasjust one small example of
something like like the ouijaboard that left you like
sometimes this is not going tohappen.
It's really interesting howmany times like how much
friction we cause in our livestrying to make a thing work and
instead of like going with theflow and learning and adapting
(20:16):
it seems like the way you'rementioning it it seems like a
lot of things you will adapt toeach other, you and your
inanimate object that holds aparticular energy, but some
things won't.
Elaine (20:26):
But part of the learning process.
I'm a big karma person and alearning person.
I believe that everything thathappens in our life teaches us
and we teach it later.
Lauren (20:38):
Yes, that's why we have experiences.
Elaine (20:40):
We can share an experience.
Maybe somebody can learn and go.
Well, maybe I shouldn't climbon that mountain if I don't know
what I'm doing.
I need a different kind of bootfor that walk, yeah, whatever.
But but I really believe thateverything and everybody that we
touch and touches us is for areason.
(21:02):
Even if it's sharing a smile, Idon't care.
There's a karma, that we've along list of karma that we're
going to collect and that we'regoing to create, even if it's
with a kindness or if we walkaway because we ignored somebody
(21:23):
that needed help and then laterwe are conscious, says you
really should have helped.
Okay, that's, we're learningwhat our level of consciousness
is.
Consideration is.
So if it ever happens again, wecan help that person, but we
don't know whether we createdkarma with that person that we
ignored or not.
Right you know what I'm saying.
Lauren (21:44):
Yeah.
Elaine (21:44):
So it's a little bit of both, but not getting a job.
The business that closed down.
You were done.
You were done with all of thosepeople.
You loved it.
You had your experiences.
You got to share them.
You can look back on them,enjoy them.
Your trips to Hawaii, you knowthere was joy in your voice when
you spoke about that, sothere's.
(22:04):
You might remember the food,the people you met, yay.
So maybe someday you will goback to Hawaii and experience
some of those same things.
Take somebody with you that hasnever been there before, and
that's what that's important.
I'm a big people.
I'm a.
I'm an emotional and physicaltouchy.
I believe in hugs and unlesssomebody that and I've known
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people that were non-touchable-yeah, yeah, okay.
That's okay, I can go hug hugand we're good.
A couple of people like that,but I can respect that.
But I've never asked any ofthem why not.
Right A couple of people likethat, yeah, but I can respect
that, but I've never asked anyof them.
Why not Right?
Right, I would not.
It's none of my business, right, none.
(22:50):
But I believe that everythingwe say, hear, smell, feel has
its purpose.
It's part of our journey.
Lauren (22:59):
Yeah.
Elaine (22:59):
And if we don't understand it at that moment, we
don't need to, but we will takeit on subconsciously and super
subconsciously so that in anyjourney we take it's always
there.
It's always there and we canpull it up whenever we need it.
Lauren (23:16):
Yeah.
Elaine (23:17):
We don't have to keep it all up here.
We can put it in those filingboxes called subconscious and
super sub.
Super sub doesn't needdirection, it does it anyway.
It's automatic.
Lauren (23:27):
Yeah.
Elaine (23:28):
It just does.
But that also happens with whatwe don't need anymore.
Lauren (23:44):
As a psychic, as a practicing psychic and reader.
Elaine (23:46):
I don't want to and I don't need to remember
everything about a client.
So when they call 10 yearslater I can go oh yeah, no.
But what I know, what I'venoticed over the years, is that
sometimes I carry that too farand I lose memory of what I do
need to remember.
And especially the older that Iget.
Lauren (24:04):
I'm 80.
Frank (24:05):
So at 80 years old.
You do not seem 80.
Elaine (24:09):
Yes, sir, I am.
Frank (24:11):
Wow, you're doing good.
Elaine (24:13):
Thank you, but I've had to train myself to go okay Lane,
this is personal.
You need to remember this.
Frank (24:20):
It's funny hearing that from you, though, because all
the stories you've told us haveseemed so lucid and, like you,
have a very good memory.
Elaine (24:27):
They're part of my soul.
Frank (24:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're built in.
You built them in.
Elaine (24:31):
Right when something it's not just a brain thing,
it's a soul thing.
Everything you touch, you eat,you smell it's in your soul.
And you touch, you eat, yousmell it's in your soul and and
even if it wasn't important toyou at the moment, it's still
there.
You can pull it up in yourmemory bank Now.
People who have dementia thatdoesn't mean, and my aunt I
(24:53):
lived with my.
I took care of my aunt when she, I think she was going through
some of that.
It was never diagnosed, but Ithink so, and we learned how to
communicate with her when shewas really having a bad episode.
This was a woman who died at103.
Lauren (25:06):
Wow.
Elaine (25:07):
When she was bedridden, I would hear her in her bedroom
as though she was still on thetrain going to another event
with three of her favoritepeople that she taught with.
But to her it was that's whereshe was.
She was on that train goingsomeplace with her friends, and
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you'd hear, we'd hear her laugh,we'd hear her answer a question
.
She was reliving those days andshe'd call out people's names.
She was a teacher for over 70years and she would.
She would talk like she wastalking to one of her classes.
Lauren (25:49):
Wow, that's.
Elaine (25:51):
Amazing, that's not a physical memory, that's a heart
memory.
Lauren (25:55):
Yeah.
Elaine (25:56):
Things that she loved.
I really believe all of that.
I'm convinced that all of thatis in there if it's important,
or even if it isn't sometimes,if it's something we need to be
weary of.
Frank (26:10):
Yes, so that's actually if we are going through our
lives interacting with peopleand objects and the energies
that they carry, and we are Withpeople and objects and the
energies that they carry and weare, like you said, we're
collecting it as part of ourlife experience, as part of our
conscious and subconscious.
Elaine (26:29):
Right.
Frank (26:30):
Something about your aunt that strikes me, because I have
an aunt that's going throughsomething similar right now, but
(26:52):
it's not like.
How do you make sure that yourheart memories and that your
heart space is full of the goodstuff, your heart space is full
of the good stuff you know?
Like, how do you, how do youalchemize these daily
experiences into a way where,like, if, if you know, if you're
going to be, if you're going tobe sitting bedridden and you're
(27:13):
, you're that you're going torecall the time you're on a
train with your favorite people,instead of something worse.
Elaine (27:21):
You know, I think two things.
There is no guarantee.
Please accept that there is noguarantee of what your memory,
or your heart memory will be.
Number two, if it is part ofyour journey list, before you
ever came back, it's there inyour heart.
Now don't equate heart withpositive feelings or hurt
(27:45):
feelings.
It's the importance of eitherone of those that makes it a
heart memory.
If something was meant to hurtyou so you would learn a lesson,
it's in your heart.
And if you're sitting or layingin bed and you have no control
about what memory pops intobrain, if that pops in, then
(28:09):
it's an opportunity for you.
If it's negative or positive,it's your opportunity to review
it and learn from it.
Or say to yourself I don't knowwhy I went through that, but
it's okay, I'll know later.
There should be absolutely noguilt about what you learned or
you did not learn in a lifetime.
(28:30):
Not everybody gets everythingin the third grade that they'll
need all the way through the12th.
You take it one grade, one stepat a time, and that's what
living life is all about Onestep at a time.
We've all cried tears.
We've all lost control oversomething the death of a parent,
(28:53):
the love of someone that justslipped away from us or we threw
them away for some reason,losses of jobs that were perfect
, like your experience.
But yet you knew there wassomething else.
It wasn't enough.
Because it wasn't enough?
Because you were on a plan, andyou knew it subconsciously to
(29:15):
have more.
I'm not going to say better,I'm going to say more of what
you intended to learn from.
Does that make sense?
Lauren (29:24):
Yes, yeah.
Elaine (29:25):
So you knew it.
So in a way, you were kind ofsaying this is a great
experience, but I'm going topush this away a little bit.
So even if that company had notclosed down, you would have
ended up leaving.
Frank (29:38):
Yeah.
Elaine (29:38):
Probably been offered a great job, you would have taken
it.
Or you would have decided toopen your own business at a
perfect time, you would havetaken it.
They let you off the hook byclosing down, that's true.
The decision was made for you.
Now there are no guaranteesabout what memories will pop up.
The memories that pop up willbe the ones you are gifted, like
(30:02):
her gifting herself with thosejoyful experiences, or they will
be memories that maybe not sonice but you still needed to
review, and then you can let itgo because you will let it go.
Frank (30:17):
This is really interesting because it's making
me feel like, even if you'relike you know, mental faculties
deteriorate some it seems likeyou could still maybe find a way
to not have such a rigidmindset, because so many people
go through their lives and theycollect these bad experiences
and they replay it, and theyreplay not only the bad
(30:38):
experience but their reaction tothat bad experience, and
they're living in this pain.
It sounds like the way I'venever heard this before.
It sounds like you'resuggesting that maybe like hey,
here's that situation againwhere you had an opportunity to
learn like you can still learnnow, like alchemize it, process
it in the way that you needed to.
Elaine (30:58):
Yeah, we can, but not every brain is capable.
You can have heart memories,but the brain is not wired to
take care of it.
Spirit is, and if we totallyand completely let spirit teach
us and listen, but not everybodywas born with the ability to do
that.
That wasn't part of theirjourney.
We have physical humanexperiences.
(31:21):
For a reason we kill a cat,pull its head off why?
Why Is it to teach the cat, whowas a panther at one time and
killed us?
Was it between us?
Or was that the beginning of aserial killer?
Because that's what that lifehad decided they would do before
(31:45):
they ever came back Now?
Perfect example is yoursituation in Cuba.
Your parents went through a lotof cruelty just because of
somebody's greed and ego.
Right, they learned how not tobehave that way with other
people.
They could have said he's agood example.
(32:09):
He taught me how to steal.
I'll never be hungry.
Your folks had a choice.
They chose not to be that way.
They chose to come here, builda life, show compassion.
Never repeat the same way thatpolitical leader lived, treated
people.
So your people brought joy hereand hard work and became
(32:36):
something opposite of what theyleft.
That was their journey they mayhave talked about what happened
in Cuba.
Did they come through Florida?
Frank (32:46):
They came through Mexico actually.
Elaine (32:49):
Okay, well, the people that came through Cuba, I mean
came from Cuba into Florida.
They built a whole Cubancommunity.
Frank (32:56):
They did A lot of.
My family has moved to Floridasince because of that community.
Elaine (33:00):
Right.
And they said Americans, youstay on your side of the street,
we'll stay on ours for at leastone full generation.
Yeah, meanwhile building theirrestaurants, their businesses,
learning to trust Americans,even though Americans were
accepting of them, but stillsaid are you terrorists?
Yeah, you're bringing Castro?
(33:24):
No, we don't think so.
You could be, not what you'resaying.
So that trust had to be builtand once it was, they actually
started mingling, althoughthere's still a Cuban community.
Frank (33:36):
Yes.
Elaine (33:37):
Who still doesn't trust.
Frankly, I can't blame them,but it's getting better.
It's taken a couple ofgenerations now, but it's
getting better.
It's taking a couple ofgenerations now, but it's
getting better yeah but what canwe as a community learn from
their pain?
How are we supposed to betreating those immigrants then,
(33:58):
legal or otherwise?
Some of them just washed ashorewith nothing yeah, yeah.
That's it.
So how do we take on thatcommunity and take care of them,
trust them, which not everybodydid, but we knew they needed
something, even if it was justfor the first month they were
(34:19):
here.
They needed a bath and food andshelter.
And how did we help them?
That's a hard journey to takeyes it's a really hard journey
and I feel sorry for people thathave to go through anything
like that.
It's still part of your traumastuff that you were talking
about a while ago.
But the memories that yourpeople or people that come from
(34:43):
a different path what are theirmemories going to be like when
they can't consciously,intentionally bring up a memory?
Are they going to remember thefood that they can never, ever
get to taste exactly like it wasin Cuba because they couldn't
get the ingredients here?
Maybe they can now, but I doubtthat they could then.
Lauren (35:05):
Yeah right.
Elaine (35:06):
Different spices, different earth, that fruits and
vegetables were grown in.
So what do they remember whenthey start sitting and
daydreaming and remember theroads that they walked or the
people that they knew that theycould no longer ever see again,
those are the memories thatwould probably come up without
(35:26):
difficulty.
The ones that they don't wantto remember are the ones that
they had to go get in a boat androw fast or get on a plane and
hope they wouldn't be kicked off, which happened occasionally.
And those are the memories thatwe don't have any guarantee
(35:46):
will ever go away.
And when we have no consciousability to say I don't want to
remember that, go away, go away,yeah, because we've got
dementia or you know whatever,we have to let those memories
float and just pass and say,okay, what did I learn from that
(36:08):
experience?
Well, it happened to me.
I didn't learn.
I was just mean.
Just mean.
I was a kid, I didn't deservethat.
If you don't agree with pastlives and you don't believe in
you're here for lessons, then,yeah, you're going to have a lot
of retained anger and fear.
If, as an adult, you can sayI'm not that child anymore.
(36:31):
It helped me become the man,the woman that I am today and I
don't have to be ugly because atfive, six and seven I had to go
through that.
I didn't ask for that.
I had to go through that.
I didn't ask for that.
Yeah, you did.
If you live in a spiritualworld, yeah, you did.
(36:52):
But you don't have to stay there, and even to this day I know
adults that are still staying inthat space.
Lauren (37:00):
Oh yeah.
Frank (37:00):
Yeah.
Lauren (37:05):
The choice to hold on to that animosity or that pain is
a choice.
Elaine (37:07):
The experience, the story all of it, yeah, but I
also have clients that have usedthat to go to get degrees in
psychology to help people notget stuck.
Lauren (37:17):
Mm-hmm.
Elaine (37:18):
Or become fabulous chefs , so they can recreate that
comfort food.
Frank (37:25):
Yeah.
Lauren (37:25):
Yeah, that's when we talk about turning trauma into
wisdom for others.
Frank (37:32):
The transmutation.
Lauren (37:34):
Yeah, transmuting, that's part of my little
coaching thing too.
Do that Using my experiences togo like you don't have to come
on.
Did you say your littlecoaching thing?
I have you don't have to comeon.
Like you know.
Did you say your?
Frank (37:46):
little coaching, I did I didn't mean to say little.
Gross.
Lauren (37:50):
Let me say that again.
My coaching and empowerment, umbusiness and workshops.
To, yeah, bring people out ofthe trauma and into like it
doesn't, you don't have to staydown there.
Stay, you the trauma and intolike it doesn't.
You don't have to stay downthere.
Stay, you know, come on yeah.
Elaine (38:07):
You know, and the sad part is the reality is not
everyone is capable of comingout of, is growing out of.
But the good side of that isthey had that experience, so now
they can teach others how notto hurt people.
Lauren (38:25):
Right, yeah, or yeah.
Elaine (38:27):
Or be hurt.
It's you know.
To use an example, there aremen and women who constantly go
into the same relationships overand, over and over again.
I don't care if one guy's thebanker, the next one is the
biker, the next one is amechanic, the next one is a
millionaire.
They're all the same people.
(38:47):
Yeah, they're going to get thecrap out of you on Friday night.
Lauren (38:50):
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine (38:52):
Period, but yet we keep pulling.
There's something about thatenergy.
What is it?
Or the guy who just treatsevery woman in his life like
she's a queen and he keeps being?
Drawn to these women that aregoing to be treated like a queen
and you will never be able togive me a big enough dime yeah,
(39:15):
you know that.
And their heartbreaks, becausewe've all known that guy.
He could.
He just gets his heart brokenby the same, the same person in
a different body.
Lauren (39:26):
Yeah.
Elaine (39:27):
Why.
Lauren (39:28):
Yeah.
Elaine (39:28):
You know, and I've asked clients that why do you keep
walking into this?
You have to hit yourself overthe head with this.
I've done the same thing withwomen.
Why you know this is going tohappen.
How many times in bones do youneed to have broken before you
see yourself as a stronger, moredeserving person?
Lauren (39:50):
yeah, when will the lesson actually land and you
like do something with it?
Frank (39:56):
yeah and if for no reason , just so that you don't when
you're, when you're old and inbed, you're not just reliving
this experience, you putyourself through a hundred times
over.
Elaine (40:09):
Addicts do the same thing.
All kinds of addicts, alcohol,drugs those are physical
ailments.
Don't misunderstand me.
There is an illness there, butit can be a psychological mixed
with a chemical illness.
It can be any number of things.
I have not lived that life so Idon't feel like I can say too
(40:31):
much about it.
But I witness how people gothrough that and how they come
out of it.
I have several friends that Ilook at and go, wow, I knew you
were so drunk, can stand up muchless, put five sentences
together and now they've gotfabulous jobs, great educations,
but they had to have thatbefore they could do be
(40:53):
successes.
Yeah, and some of them breakthe chain of their lineage the
first ones that didn't overdose,the first ones that didn't kill
somebody when they were drivingdrunk or you know whatever.
(41:14):
But it's all part of thejourney, and I know I use that
word a lot, but everything we dois part of a journey.
How do you break a cycle?
You have to learn it.
Some people observe it.
You know, in my life my parentsat both times were alcoholics
at different times in theirlives and I never liked the
(41:34):
smell or taste of beer, it justblech.
Just to this day, the only timeI would ever drink a beer and I
really didn't drink it was whenwe were in the middle of the
lake on a very hot day and thatwas the only thing we had was
Coors on ice and we didn't havebottled water.
Lauren (41:53):
Yeah.
Frank (41:55):
And listen.
Let's be honest.
The alcohol, the alcohol volumeof Coors, is probably a
hydrating at the end of the day.
Elaine (42:00):
Yeah, and I would usually chug about a half of it
and hand it to somebody on theboat.
You know, I mean that was it.
Lauren (42:08):
Yeah.
Elaine (42:09):
And and I never really cared about alcohol, like until
I was in my mid 20s and Imarried an alcoholic.
Well, I didn't know he was analcoholic when I married him.
Yeah, but he was, and once thatwas going for over I just
walked away.
Lauren (42:27):
Yeah.
Elaine (42:29):
But I had to have that journey with that particular man
to understand why my stepdadand my mom who they were.
And then I was able to get adivorce and never look back and
I was able to stop blaming mymom and my stepdad for who they
were.
Wow, I had to.
Lauren (42:46):
they were Wow.
Elaine (42:47):
I had to live it before I could do that.
Frank (42:50):
I mean, it's such an interesting point and I've been
accused of being at risk of youknow what.
Taking 10 years to learn a10-day lesson having, um, the
(43:10):
thing that's been a big deal islike how many times do you have
to repeat this thing for you toact, for it to land, for you to
try something new, for you tofor something to click?
You know what I mean?
And, and, yeah, I'm, I'm.
I know lauren is too.
We're trying to be so much moreaware of of these cycles that
we keep landing in yeah and like, and, and, while we're in it,
if we've managed to putourselves in it again, finding a
(43:32):
new exit and making sure wedon't come back to it.
Elaine (43:35):
But no, every time you do it, you're learning more.
Yeah, yeah, and even if you getout of the cycle somewhere down
the road there may be anopportunity.
Call it a temptation.
Lauren (43:49):
Yeah.
Elaine (43:50):
So you look at it as I know better than to do that.
But what did I not learn lasttime?
So, before you go into thetemptation, you give yourself
enough time to think about thepast.
Frank (44:06):
Yeah, make sense, sense, oh, it does I just encountered
my first real big test for thiscurrent cycle.
I'm in and I passed.
I passed.
Elaine (44:14):
I did a good job, yeah we don't always know what's in
that bundle there could be somenew lesson and people will go.
I gotta go find Find out whatelse.
Frank (44:22):
Right, yeah, then you're not done.
Elaine (44:38):
We do.
Sometimes, once we're very,very aware, we do get the
opportunity to draw a temptationon purpose.
Just to see where our strengthsand our weaknesses are.
It's that okay, I'm going to awedding.
I I've been sober for 15 years,but I really want a sip of that
champagne to celebrate.
Yeah, I just want one sip whichcould send that person off on a
(45:02):
junket they don't need rightthey can, they can, they can
click a glass of non-alcoholicsomething and it's just as
important.
Frank (45:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I was just encountered witha situation where I knew someone
at a good company the job.
Then they're like, hey, I askedthem about something entirely
different and they're like, bythe way, this position just
opened and we think you'd begreat for it and it pays exactly
what you want.
And also, um, like, literallyit's.
(45:32):
It was such a unique positionthat I'm like, oh, I've done
this and I'd be, I could do thiseasily.
It was I, I.
It was tough Cause I had to lookat Lauren, lauren, I know we're
looking for more financialcomfort right now, but I can't
take this job because I'm goingfor something new and I've done
this a hundred times throughalready and it never ends the
(45:54):
way I wanted to and I get stuckand I have to relearn the lesson
all over again.
So, at, even though logically itwas the wrong choice to make, I
was like, well, this is funny,I'm, I'm letting go of a, a you
know six figure job that I'mlike would be a walk in the park
for me.
It was like I have to chasethis authentic like creativity
(46:18):
right now, and so, like I, I,what I did was actually made a
proposal.
I said I don't want to do itthe way you're saying it, but I
will say I will do this much sofinding out like how much of how
much of that is appropriate forme.
So for me, in particular, itwas.
I need to break out of theconfines of like working in a
traditional structure and Ioffered my services as a
(46:39):
contractor, on my terms.
Elaine (46:43):
And yeah, yeah, yeah Well.
Frank (46:46):
I mean.
I mean, I haven't heard back,so maybe not, but you know.
Lauren (46:50):
However, it's valuing yourself in a different, in a
whole different category, asopposed to what the.
The other thing that you alwaysdid was I'm going to work for
someone else.
They're going to tell meexactly what to do.
It's going to take up all of mytime.
It's going to make me like kindof miserable, yeah, and I'm not
going to be aligned.
Someone else.
They're going to tell meexactly what to do.
It's going to take up all of mytime.
It's going to make me like kindof miserable and I'm not going
to be aligned with what I'mactually supposed to be doing.
Frank (47:09):
Right, I cannot step into that traditional structure
anymore unless it's on my terms,yeah, and even if that's, even
if that it doesn't work out,it's like that's a If the payoff
(47:33):
is holding on to my own valuesand staying in the space where I
can become who I want to become.
Elaine (47:35):
You said something earlier about learning your
worth.
Lauren (47:38):
Yes.
Elaine (47:39):
I think you've already learned your worth.
Frank (47:43):
Yeah, I think I finally just got this, but it took me
too long.
I mean, it took as long as it'sgoing to take.
But I think if I were more inthis space of being more
receptive and seeing how lifelessons come at you, instead of
just feeling like everything ischaotic and things don't have as
much meaning as I've given themnow, I think I could have
(48:03):
learned this sooner, but now youknow.
Elaine (48:06):
You weren't supposed to, I wasn't supposed to this.
Frank (48:09):
There was a little bit of there's a value in, in, in the
struggle.
Struggle only in that I can nowso quickly identify it since
hindsight's 2020.
Right, I see all the times I'vemade the mistake, and this was
the time where I went oh whatwas I doing?
I get it now, you know.
So yeah, that's these little.
(48:29):
I think I graduated.
I think I graduated and I'm onto the next lesson.
Elaine (48:36):
Every lesson, every level.
I don't even like that wordbecause I look at them as
lessons rather than levels.
But people understand the wordlevel, yeah Right, and they're
afraid of lessons at them aslessons rather than levels.
But people understand the wordlevel, yeah Right, and they're
afraid of lessons.
So well, go learn your lesson.
You know, that's how a lot ofus equate the word lesson.
Lauren (48:57):
Yeah, yeah.
Elaine (48:57):
But when somebody is asking for what the two of you
have been asking of your guest,teach us so we can share it with
who's listening.
You really have already putyourself in the position of
teachers and mentors.
Frank (49:15):
That's true, yeah.
Elaine (49:17):
And yet you're not looking at yourselves in that
way.
Lauren (49:21):
But that's also true, yeah.
Elaine (49:23):
You're mentoring without ever using that word mentor by
what you're exposing your publicto your listeners, to that's
true.
Lauren (49:32):
Yeah, we don't, we don't , so take it that category.
Frank (49:35):
That is a good point.
Lauren (49:36):
Take it.
Frank (49:36):
I always take that Thank you, especially because there's
no way around it.
I am an anti-authoritarianperson and putting myself in
this position where you canlearn from me not by me telling
you, but by you observing me anddoing it publicly and being
okay with being an open book andwith sharing my vulnerabilities
(49:57):
, it's allowing people to walkbeside me as we explore things
together.
This is a anti a antihierarchical mentorship.
Lauren (50:09):
I like that.
That's good.
Frank (50:13):
I hope so.
Elaine (50:15):
Well, you're going to be doing this for quite a while,
so you've already got 70, 70plus episodes.
Frank (50:20):
So yeah, and I'm having too much fun talking to people
like you.
You're amazing.
Elaine (50:26):
Yeah, it's been fun.
It really has.
I was looking.
I've been looking forward tothis, thank you.
Frank (50:30):
Elaine, tell everybody where to find you and what your
current services are, and pleaseplug yourself.
Elaine (50:34):
Please plug myself, oh, dear.
Conversation with the Ancientspodcast, and the subline is A
Journey with Elaine Irelandjourney with Elaine Ireland.
It is a composite of peoplethat have been in the business
for the business of psychic workfor oh, one of them already 50,
60 years, and I do have themclassified but that's a loose
(50:56):
classification like newbies, theones that have been doing it at
their home for 10 years, butnow they're coming out, yeah,
all the way to established folksthat are doing it on a full
time basis, to people that arelegends who have passed on.
Let's see, I do readingsprivate.
I do not do Zoom readings folks.
(51:17):
I'm sorry I can't do thisbusiness.
My head's going up and downbetween the cards, anyway, but I
teach classes Tarot classesours, anyway, but I teach
classes, tarot classes.
I've been instructed by myspiritual guides that my classes
are now going to be a lot morein-depth and longer.
They'll be 12 months to 16months, once a week, probably
(51:38):
two or three hours a week, andpresentation will be pretty much
what I've always been doing,but just really more in depth.
Those are, those are.
You can find me on Facebook andI still do some mentoring Not
as much as I used to, but, but Ido.
It depends on what people need,so that's it.
Frank (52:01):
Oh man.
Well, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you so much for spendingthis much time with us, I think.
I think you're officially ourlongest interview.
Lauren (52:08):
Yeah, are we?
Elaine (52:09):
I would think so too.
Now we can talk easily with oneanother.
That's great.
Frank (52:12):
Yeah, yeah, this is going to be fantastic.
Elaine (52:14):
It's been fun and it's been an honor to be on the
podcast.
Frank (52:28):
Y'all are doing a great service here.
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