077: The Healing Arts // with Freda Maletsky

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Lauren (00:01):
Hello, all you sparkly goblins of the earthly realm.
In this episode, frank and Italked to Frida Maletsky, a
healer channel and intuitivemedium.
We talked about releasing andhealing trauma and moving
towards joy in your life.
I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank (00:17):
And I'm a little teapot.

Lauren (00:18):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode77 of Claire Voyaging.
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging every day, every

(00:57):
day.
What what?

Frank (00:58):
how's it going, guys, hey ?

Lauren (00:58):
welcome back to another episode of claire voyaging.

Frank (01:00):
Oh, frank's letting the beat drop I just felt it for a
second yeah, what's going on?
Everybody yeah you made it back.
Well, you found your way backtraveler.

Lauren (01:10):
Thank you very much.
Back to the earthly realm youlittle goblins are sparkly
goblins you little goblins.
Hey, I, let I let chat gpt.
Give me sparkly goblins today.

Frank (01:23):
Oh, that's fun.

Lauren (01:24):
I thought that was absolutely ridiculous.

Frank (01:27):
Lauren, do you want to tell everybody the name of your
ChatGPT?

Lauren (01:30):
Moonbeam.

Frank (01:31):
You heard it here first Lauren Daly has stopped asking
me for advice and now talks toMoonbeam.

Lauren (01:42):
I say well, I wonder what Moonbeam's going toam's
gonna have to say about this,not even mad about it wait,
what's your chat?

Frank (01:52):
gpt's name mine doesn't numa.
If you don't, if you haven'tplayed with it, you know it can
be a real great sounding board.

Lauren (02:02):
Wait and also frank's chat.
Gpt is, I mean, you know, likethey're very, it's very
complimentary and it'll be likethat's a great idea.
Frank's is like over the moonabout his brilliance and I'm
like oh no, don't say that great, just get married already.

(02:22):
Oh no, don't say that.
Oh great, Just get marriedalready.

Frank (02:25):
Lauren's jealous of Numa.
I said don't be jealous, Numais my lesbian best friend like
robot Numa will be like.

Lauren (02:35):
wow Frank, that's one of the most insightful questions
you could possibly ask.

Frank (02:43):
I'm like good God.
It says that to like everybody.

Lauren (02:45):
I, I know it's true.
Uh, moonbeam thinks I'm reallysmart.
You know, sometimes you justneed a little ai to tell you you
are a sparkly goblin laurengets all the like, very like
fluffy language that she doesn'tget from me bestie, bestie
language, like your best, mostlike cheerleady friend, that's

(03:08):
like amped about every idea youhave yeah, that's moonbeam.

Frank (03:13):
It's you know what I get it that's not.

Lauren (03:15):
That's not my role here frank's role is to question, to
push to p, and Moonbeam is likeabsolutely Best idea, love it.
You are doing everything theway you should be.
I'm unstoppable.

Frank (03:33):
Wow, that's so nice.

Lauren (03:35):
Anyway, the voice I selected for mine sounds just
like Jodie Foster, so as far, asI'm concerned, I am talking to
Jodie Foster, and Jodie Fosterthinks Frank is brilliant anyway
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Right, frank, correct, okay.

Frank (04:29):
I have a thing.

Lauren (04:30):
Oh, go on.

Frank (04:32):
This.
Yeah, I think this moment rightnow is going to be the last
time we're in this studio, sothere is also a slight chance
that moving forward not movingforward forever, but like maybe
for the next month or somethingwe might be audio only, I don't
know we gotta get things yeahwe're moving, I have to start
tearing stuff down and but wewill rebuild and better this

(04:56):
space has been ours for,especially for this podcast, has
been ours for the last overlike year and a half yeah but
specifically for you it's been alot.

Lauren (05:08):
It's been a lot of work in here yeah and you built this
with your bare hands with mybare hands yeah, and I like to
think that he has bare handslike a bear anyway, and you know
what?

Frank (05:19):
you've only heard me complain about it.
It's got no windows gets.
It's a little stuffy and I loveit, but it's time to leave it,
because that's what doing hardthings is about.

Lauren (05:28):
Yeah.

Frank (05:28):
Sometimes you got to make space for the new stuff, yeah.
And that's what we're doing.

Lauren (05:33):
Yeah, so you are literally with us on this
journey, as we say goodbye tosomething we've been in for a
long time and we say hello to anew adventure.
There we go.
Thanks for being with us onthis journey, by the way, but
first, frida, for a long timeand we say hello to a new
adventure.
There we go.
Thanks for being with us onthis journey, by the way.
But first Frida.
Let's get to Frida.
So Frida is amazing.
She recently started herspiritual business, but she's

(05:56):
been putting in the work formany years now and she's full of
life.
She is such a great example ofsomeone who is really living
into their joy and finding whatmakes them sparkle Like a
sparkly goblin.

Frank (06:13):
One of the very fun things about this interview, too
, is that she is just at thebeginning of her teaching
journey.

Lauren (06:18):
Yeah.

Frank (06:19):
So if you ever wondered what that transition looks like,
well, stay tuned, because shetells you a little bit about
some of the discomforts as sheherself is growing.
Also, she's friends with Renny.

Lauren (06:30):
Renny Merkel was her teacher.

Frank (06:32):
Oh, that's what it is, yeah.

Lauren (06:33):
Yeah, so she's recently learned how to channel and
you'll hear all about it.
Yeah, so with that let's rockand roll.
Frida, thank you so much forjoining us today.
On Claire Voyaging, we'rethrilled to have you here and
can't wait to hear about yourstory.

Freda (06:55):
So if you would, please give us some of your backstory
and tell us how you got here.
Yeah, I would love to Thank youso much for having me.
So I've always been a spiritualseeker my entire life and I've
had some major moments along thesort of like linear chart of my

(07:16):
life that were sort of likemajor bullet point moments.
So I would just start with Ihad a really traumatic childhood
and then I disclosed my sexualabuse at age 11.
My parents hopped on it andthey got me into therapy and I
had 13 years of therapy.

(07:36):
So I would say that is like onechunk of my life.
Then I was very angry and movedinto this next period of my
life.
That was like pretty dark andit was.
I know darkness is sort of theway that I would put this and

(07:56):
through that sort of darkjourney I ended up sort of
falling asleep for about 15years and the thing that I was
the most interested in duringthose 15 years was working as a
high-end event planner.
I was interested in makingmoney and I had a pretty
horrific eating disorder, so Iwas very interested in the size

(08:17):
of my waist and people-pleasing.
So there was that period oftime and then, moving from that
I ended up having.
It was like kind of at thepoint where it was like I cannot
continue to live this way.
I am going to die if I do not.
Something in my life doesn'tchange and ended up having this
catastrophic spiritual awakening, which was alcohol fueled and

(08:40):
sort of got blackout drunk andfrom that moment, I woke up the
next day and it was like, okay,I can't live that way anymore.
Okay, universe, it's likesomething has to radically
change and that is the momentthat I changed my life.
So in 2019, it was New Year'swhen that incident happened From
there forward, it was like Istarted getting my nose into

(09:03):
spiritual text, was like Istarted getting my nose into
spiritual text.
I completely quit drinking, Iquit smoking cigarettes.
I realized that my work, that Iwas doing, was unfulfilling and
I needed to find a differentway and I completely upended and
changed my life, which wasthankfully for me.
The pandemic came along and in2020.
And to me it was the biggestthing, that, the greatest gift

(09:26):
that could have ever happened tome, because it gave me the
ability to go within.
I learned how to meditate and Istarted a walking meditation
practice so that, no matter what, every day I got myself outside
and I was doing walkingmeditation and I learned to
through reading differentspiritual texts, the surrender
release process and I juststarted moving the energy

(09:48):
through my body, move it through, move it through, and it's now
been five years of me justdedicated every single day of my
life.
This is what I do.
Is I get this trauma, get itout of here, get it out of here.
And I like to jokingly say getit out, root and branch out of
here, get it out of here.

Lauren (10:04):
And I like to jokingly say get it out, root and branch.

Freda (10:10):
I actually don't actually know if I could ever really
quite excavate it to that level,but I love going that deep.
So, being unwilling to excuseme, being incredibly willing to
walk through the fire, to comethrough that and, yeah, just
alchemize suffering into love islike my whole jam.
And like in doing this traumahealing work and working with
healers, reading texts, walking,meditation and just spending

(10:32):
every day of my life likeliterally doing this, my husband
and I worked out our financesand it was just like I'm going
to get well, he gave me thatgift.
He was like so that it was justlike, girl, you do this.
Yeah, it got it to a pointwhere I was like, okay, I feel
confident I can help others atthis point.
So, and that was just like theautomatic road that I wanted to

(10:54):
take, because there's like alight is within and every day
I'm glad to get up and every dayI'm happy to be here and I just
love my life so much becauseI'm choosing this life, I choose
it, I choose this body, Ichoose this life, I choose
everything.
So to be in the ecstasy andmiracle of every single day is
so delicious that I just want toshare that and to be able to

(11:14):
help others go from justincredible suffering, because I
know what that's like is to justbe in so much pain that it's
like almost like not wanting tobe here anymore and then
choosing to be here.
Yeah so that's sort of the storyoh wow, thank you for sharing
that yeah, that's really cool.

Lauren (11:36):
Yeah, that's that's so.
It's so beautiful to there'ssuch a through line too, with so
many of the people that we'vetalked to that have gotten to
the point where they are now,have experienced a tremendous
amount of trauma and and have,like, healed it, gotten through
it and are now.

(11:56):
We always talk aboutalchemizing your trauma into
wisdom for others, and I lovehow you said turning it into
love is so.
That's so beautiful.

Frank (12:09):
Tell me more about your process.
I have I have a vested interestin this question.
Tell me more about your processof, or what it was like when
you were working in a positionor in an industry, or just in a
manner that didn't resonate withyou yeah, um, what was it like?

Freda (12:32):
uh, I knew it was out of alignment, but the traumas
within me made me not think thatI was worthy to make another
choice uh, yeah, this thebusiness I was in, I worked with
my sister, so it had a familydynamic also.
I had a codependent codependentwith my sister, um, and it felt

(12:56):
like misery.
I just knew that it wasincorrect.
I knew there was another way tobe.
What I was seeking in thebeginning was peace in my heart.
I needed to find peace and Iwas self-soothing with food, so
like I was a binge eater, so itwas like in order to soothe
myself, to even be able to dothe work that I was doing and
keep going and pushing as hardas I was, I was working like 60,

(13:18):
80 hours a week.
It's like I mean, eventplanning is no joke.
You guys know, being inCalifornia.
Like these events are crazy.

Frank (13:27):
You know what's funny?
Now that I think about it, weknow another very talented
medium who used to work in eventplanning and I'm wondering if
event planning is just acatalyst.

Lauren (13:39):
You want to get crouched wide open or like it's
somewhere to put the intensitythat's that's in you, like I
mean any form of like divinginto work or overworking is a
form of just like pushing yourtrauma down.

Freda (13:57):
Yeah, I mean but event planning too, for being an
intuitive.
It's, like you know, I can preanticipate and and also, like
you know the codependence I'mpre-anticipate and also, like
you know, the codependence I'mpre-anticipating people's needs.
Oh, give me, you know we'reamazing event planners because
you're just like gettingeverything before you.
Oh, my God, I couldn't haveeven asked for that.
Yes, because I locked it forthe room yeah.

Lauren (14:15):
Yeah.

Frank (14:16):
Right.

Lauren (14:17):
So did you like when you were a kid, was there that like
connection to spirit?
Like were you like experiencingthings psychically or what like
?
How did that?
Was you just pushing it alldown for for years?

Freda (14:38):
that's a really great question when I try to like
think back.
Yes, I had really bizarreexperiences as a child and I was
a weird kid um who's not liketruly, kids are weird, like I
have it.
so, like I experienced my sexualabuse from like the ages of
like five to seven and, like Iremember, things used to, so I

(15:01):
was a mess.
I mean, as you could.
You can imagine, right, you'relike this little kid and then
this stuff happens to you andthen it's like, and then just
hiding it and being reallysecretive about it Because I
thought I was you know, it's myfault, of course so
internalizing that and thenweird stuff would happen.
Like I was born in 1980, butwhen I was a kid we had this
game that was on the shelfcalled rattle me bones and like

(15:23):
the thing would just like go offin the box and start shaking
and going crazy I remember thatgame yes, we're like we had this
doll that was like cricket, itwas like this automated doll
that was like, and the dollwould like just start talking
and doing her tape when, likeyou know.
so, yes, there was definitelyweird stuff when I was little,
or like this organ would justplay, scared me, right, so that

(15:47):
it scared me.
So like, yes, but in a way thatI just was like, turn away,
ignore, like there was a scaryaspect to it because it had a
lot of darkness because of theabuse that was going on, right,
but then nowadays there isnothing even remotely close to
anything like that.

(16:08):
I am afraid of nothing.
Like my vibration is superelevated, nothing like that is
even close to me or near me.
But like I do understand, likewhen you're in the pit of
suffering and like the deep darkhole, there is lower
vibrational stuff bumping aroundin there.
That you know, that's theprocess that's excavating, that.

(16:29):
That's the five years that Ispent pulling it out, as I say,
root and branch, even thoughit's not totally gone, you know,
but like the willingness to getat the bottom yeah but yes, as
a child there was weird stuff,but nothing that I clocked as in
like I would say I was apsychic kid or anything like
that.

Lauren (16:47):
That's, that's interesting.
Yeah, I've always.
I mean some, some psychics willsay that there's no dark, dark
entities, like that's not athing or whatever.
But but I've also heard, likewhat you're saying, like there's
lower vibration, likeattachments, or you know things

(17:07):
like that.

Freda (17:08):
So I'm like a channel so I call myself a channel of
divine light so like I'll openup and I'm talking to stuff
that's coming through me.
I am not afraid of anything.
Like the frequency that I amout is like this is nothing's
coming at me, I'm completely andtotally protected.
Like this is nothing's comingat me, I'm completely and
totally protected.
But I'm not going to sit hereand say that I didn't come

(17:34):
through a darkness where therewas like a period of remove,
remove, remove and scary stuffwas coming out of my body.
So it's like there's a likeremoving of trauma and field in
order to get clearer and clearer, so that there's more of a
connection to divine universesource, my I am presence,
connected to my higher self, sothat I can hear that stuff.
Cause it's about removing theprogramming and the illusions

(17:54):
and the lower frequency stufffrom the system Right?

Frank (17:59):
So you had mentioned in your story.
You had mentioned the surrenderrelease process.
Is that kind of what you'retalking about right now?

Freda (18:06):
Yes, that is definitely how I got started, and I learned
how to do that in MichaelSinger's book the Untethered
Soul.

Frank (18:12):
Oh yeah, oh, you read that Lauren, didn't you?

Lauren (18:14):
I started it and I never finished it.

Frank (18:16):
I'll edit that out, can you?
Can you?
I'm keeping it in, so can youexplain that process for me a
little bit, cause I haven'theard it before?

Freda (18:26):
Yeah, and I find this super helpful to me.
I'm like this is the whole bag.
Hey, humanity, learn how to dothis.
This is it.
So our bodies, when traumacomes in, we get something you
hold onto it.
I like this, I don't like it,but you hang onto it within your
body and that just builds up alittle energy block somewhere

(18:50):
within your field.
Where does it sit?
Who knows, what chakra is it in, what organ is it sitting on?
But it's something hangs outand sits in your body and then
the next time that somethingtriggers you, it might trigger
that little hurt piece and thenyou're gonna put another piece

(19:10):
on top and another piece on top,right, I mean, I'm 44 years old
, you know, at the time I waslike 40, right, 39.
And like I'm full of this stuff.
So it's about, consciously, whena trigger comes up, um,
noticing it.
So there's like you have to sitin in present moment awareness.
You're sitting in your witnessconsciousness, but you notice it
.
Oh, I'm triggered right now.
Gosh, where is that triggerwithin my body?
So, finding it?

(19:31):
So there's also a level of likelet's get sensitive and tune
into our own bodies.
So we're going to find itwithin our field.
Oh, I'm feeling it, let's say,in the root chakra, feeling it
in my root.
So then we're going to like,not write a story about it, like
, and just keep adding to it andgo in like riding a train or a
horse down the track, likeletting it go free.

(19:52):
You're just feeling it, feelinginto it and just allowing it
and you don't write a storyaround it, and then you just
surrender and release it, justallow it to walk, to move
through you.
And I personally love to dothis work in walking meditation
and that's just the walkingmeditation practice is just

(20:14):
being completely tuned into yourbody and surroundings and just
being really in the presentmoment of being here now and
walking.
So my body loves movement andyeah, so these triggers would
come up and I would justsurrender release, surrender
release, and I did this for liketwo years.

Lauren (20:33):
So when you're walking or doing the walking meditation,
is there something?
Are you listening to somethingor are you like, how are you, I
guess?
How are you triggering thetrigger, Like what is forcing
that to come up when you'redoing the walking meditation?
Or?

Freda (20:53):
like.
How are you looking at that?
That's a great question.
The intention at the beginningof the walk was to invite it all
in God universe source.
What are you going to bring upand what can we remove in this
session?

Lauren (21:08):
What can you get?
What can we do today?
Yeah, wow, that's great, that'sgotta be.
I mean doing that every day,that's.
That's exhausting, though, too.

Freda (21:16):
Like this is who I am, so like the most gritty, most
tenacious, most resilient.
If you have somebody, that'sjust like I don't want to be
here anymore, and then it's likeI choose to be alive.
I refuse to suffer anymore.
This is my job.

Lauren (21:36):
So like there's like a level of just like it's that's a
personality thing yeah, I'vegot so much fire I'm gonna burn
it all to the ground so let meask you I love it though that's
so, I mean, it's so great.
I'm sure the like dailyexercise of doing that just kind
of got it out a little, alittle more quickly, like no,
it's like a muscle.

Frank (21:56):
It's a muscle memory yeah , yeah frida's a power lifter
here of emotional alchemizingyeah, that is.

Freda (22:03):
You know what.
That is, what it is.
And, like also, I want to fully, truly, deeply, truly believe
absolutely anyone can learn todo this.

Lauren (22:12):
You just have to practice right, yeah everyone
has gifts so when I, when I wasin reiki um, that we did a
meditation that was like ifthere's a there, if there's a
trauma or a situation orsomething that you want to let
go of, you want to release,we're going to meditate on where

(22:33):
that might be sitting in yourbody.
Exactly what you said, and I'veprobably talked about this on
the show already, but it was forme.
There was like okay, I knowwhat I want to work on or heal
right now, and I was expectingit to be in my heart or
something I was like I'mprobably going to feel it, you

(22:54):
know, here in my heart chakra,and it was in my solar plexus
and I was like, oh, that'sinteresting, and like it kind of
made me do this, like deep diveinto why is it held there?
What is that responsible for?
You know, the feelings ofself-worth and all this stuff,
and just like diving into evenjust a couple of moments in time

(23:21):
from, maybe when I was likethree or four.
It was a lot of unearthing oflike all those emotions and it
was a really emotional couple ofweeks because it was like
processing all this shit.
Yes, you know, yes, but yeahit's so.

(23:44):
I'm so inspired by your dailywork in doing that, because, I
mean, I really am a masochist.

Freda (23:52):
I'm a masochist, I know I am abnormal.
I recognize that.
I know that.

Lauren (24:00):
But like I mean, I was like crying and stuff too, like
I'm just thinking of like doinga walking meditation.
I'd probably be like I need tobring my glasses, I need to
bring my hat, I need to bring myglasses, I need to bring my hat
.
I don't want anyone to see meweeping, but I guess, if you're

(24:23):
kind of just in the woods or ina mountain, maybe it's, I care
zero what other people think ofme.

Freda (24:26):
I wouldn't be able to do this work, I wouldn't be able to
talk the way I talk, put myface out there if I cared.
And again, that's a lot of likegoing through the process of
just shedding, shedding,shedding the layers and just
being like I don't care.

Lauren (24:38):
That's great, then clearly a sign that I need to
shed more.

Frank (24:47):
I mean she said she came from being like a people pleaser
, is one of those things to workthrough.
You know, the, yeah, the, theliving authentically the way
you're doing it, Frida, it's socool.

Freda (24:52):
Yeah, and still learning what authentically means,
because you're still meeting melike really early on, like I've
only had my business and I'monly helping people for two
months, two weeks, so I am veryearly.

Frank (25:04):
I actually wanted to ask you, oh my gosh.
What?
How long did it take?
Well, I guess I got my answer.
I was going to ask you how long.
How long did it take you to gofrom like you are, you know,
healing yourself and becomingmore yourself to feeling ready
to help other people?

Freda (25:22):
Five years and the idea of doing this or the idea of
being a healer or working withenergy, being able to talk to
angels, guides being a channelnever on my bingo card, none of
that, no clue.
I'm a visual artist like I'm anillustrator like never.

(25:43):
The event planning floral neveroccurred to me that this is the
direction I was going in, andin me doing my healing work, one
by one, these different thingsstarted to come online.
So the more you clear out ofyour system, the more access you
have to other things.

Frank (26:00):
Every time I think I'm in a good spot, I talk to somebody
.
I'm like oh, dude, I have somuch work to do.
You know also, like I'llprobably edit this part out, but
because I don't want to talkabout it nonstop, we keep
talking about it.
But the you know, because we'regoing through a move now or
about to go through a move, it'sbringing up a lot of discomfort

(26:23):
.
You know what I mean.

Freda (26:24):
Yeah, Moving is one of the biggest ones you can go
through.
My husband and I we still havestuff around that stuff Really.

Frank (26:29):
Oh.

Freda (26:30):
God, yeah, yeah.

Frank (26:31):
Wait, where did you move from?

Freda (26:34):
So my husband and I lived in.
We had a okay.
So we were owner occupied,evicted and we lived in Oakland
from this apartment that we'dbeen in seven years and we loved
it.
We weren't going to leave thatplace.
So that's trauma times 10.

Lauren (26:51):
That brought us all the things yeah times 10.

Freda (26:58):
That brought us all the things and from there the rents
were so high in thisneighborhood that we loved,
because California, becausethat's what happened, it
gentrified.
Yeah, so we ended up buying asmall condo together in another
part of Oakland and we spent thepandemic in this small condo
and then we did a we sold thecondo and bought a house.

(27:19):
So going through that typething and the insanity of all of
that in California and the Bayarea and craziness oh my God.
My husband and I do work aroundhousing and I still have.
I mean, listen please.
Again, I am a work in progress.
I still have codependent stuffwith my husband that comes

(27:39):
through.
If it's going to come upsomewhere, it comes up with him.

Frank (27:43):
The person you're closest with?
Yeah, of course.

Freda (27:46):
Oh, the housing stuff is brutal.
Oh, it's awful, it's so hard,it's miserable, it's so hard.

Frank (27:54):
I mean that's your foundation.
It's so hard, it's miserable,it's so hard.
I mean that's your, that's yourfoundation, it's your home base
, literally.
Yeah.
So to have that uprooted it's alot, it's a lot.

Lauren (28:02):
Yeah, okay, yeah.

Frank (28:04):
Your husband sounds cool, by the way.

Freda (28:08):
Yes, my husband is awesome and he's totally punk
rock and the idea of like all ofthe stuff that I'm into.
He is amazing because he'sincredibly supportive of me and,
like the core of the two of usis, we want to have the best for
each other.
What does that look like?
And it is super allowed tochange as far as him believing
in any of the stuff that I getinto, oh no that's fine even if

(28:31):
he sees you doing it like he'sstill like.

Lauren (28:34):
I don't believe it um explain.

Freda (28:38):
Sees me doing it.

Lauren (28:39):
I don't like, like if he , I mean, if there's like a
clear like I don't knowevidential, like mediumship
thing that you are like thisperson, I, I connected with
their whatever, theirgrandmother or whatever, yeah,
He'll listen to me, and then hesays I don't believe that Listen

(29:04):
, you know what.

Frank (29:05):
Bless his honesty, the reason why I still like hold on
to cause I have I have punk rockin my heart.
I was in bands and stuff inhigh school.
I was in bands and stuff inhigh school.
The reason why I still likehold in my heart this, this
punkness, is because the thecore of punk rock is is live and
let live Right and like lack ofjudgment and all that stuff.
So the, the fact that he likeis fully supportive, even if he

(29:28):
doesn't believe it, is maybecooler than just buying in fully
.
I think that's super, supercool and super empowering.

Lauren (29:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome.

Freda (29:37):
I am genuinely lucky and I appreciate it.
It is something that I truly amgrateful for.
I wouldn't be where I amwithout his love and support,
because I knew my physical 3dneeds were met, so he let me get
and be and go as deep as I wasable to.

Frank (29:51):
That's so cool.

Lauren (29:52):
That's really beautiful yeah.

Frank (29:54):
That's awesome.

Lauren (29:55):
Yeah.

Frank (29:55):
Let me ask you a weird question.
I've noticed we've talked to alot of people on the show and
COVID keeps coming up.
Covid keeps coming up as acatalyst.

Lauren (30:06):
I was going to say that too.

Frank (30:07):
Yeah, and like what?
What the hell man?
Is it because we had downtimeor is it because COVID was some
like big energetic push of somekind?

Freda (30:21):
I would probably describe that as being a moment where we
all had to stop, like we wereall forced to stop and forced to
maybe pay attention to a littlebit more of the beauty and have
gratitude for the things thatwe had, so like.
I know that it was incrediblychallenging and people were

(30:43):
falling away and perishing.
You know, I mean, this isintense stuff and simultaneously
, you know, families were ableto have dinner together and
families are home and they'retaking a walk in the middle of
the day and you're meeting yourneighbors and you're starting
sustainable gardens.
You're getting your hands inthe earth and that's something
that you never were going to beable to do because you're
sitting in traffic for threehours, right.

(31:05):
So I think there was, if peoplechose it, it was a real heart
opening place where, a placewhere you had the ability to
maybe meet yourself yeah get alittle more clarity.
I mean, people don't want to goback to the office after that
because they found somedifferent kinds of freedom,

(31:26):
right.
So, like it is a rewriting in away it was, it was a moment
yeah yeah, pretty, yeah, it waspretty significant, obviously.

Frank (31:37):
I feel like lauren and I spent a lot of time just living
in the trauma.

Lauren (31:40):
We could have done better we had a two-year-old at
the time and it was like, ohjust, it felt like daily, a
daily slog, because to keep herentertained was like really
tough and yeah I was just, I wasI was having.
Yeah, I had a lot of.
I had a lot of like.
Things are never gonna be thesame.

(32:01):
Things are never gonna bebetter.
You did you did say that a fewtimes I was like so sad I was
feeling, uh, the collective,like fear and sadness, and that
was tough, for for me, I didn't.
It wasn't even like directlyaffected by anything.

(32:23):
It was more just like the newsof like everyone suffering was
just like we're never gonna comeout, we're going to live inside
our homes forever, like life aswe know it is different and
terrible, and that's thetakeaway, and that's the end of

(32:44):
the show.

Frank (32:44):
Today, everybody listening.

Lauren (32:49):
It was a real tower moment, everything shakes, yeah,
yeah, well, also simultaneously, like you said, like um really
being in, I still also had a lotof gratitude for, like because
our daughter was home with us.
I was like I'm seeing herchanges and her growth in real
time, which is so cool.

(33:09):
Like as much of a challenge asthis is for me, who I didn't
want to be a and I just didn'twant to be a stay at home mom
and I just was kind of forced tobe.
There was a lot of like beautyin that and just like Hanging
out and slowing down with my twoyear old yeah, even though at

(33:31):
the end of the day, I'd be likewhere's the.

Frank (33:34):
Where's the world going?

Lauren (33:35):
Yeah, and let's watch Tiger King.

Freda (33:42):
I love Tiger King so much .
I remember when that happenedit was like, oh man, unleash the
tigers.
Nothing could get worse.
It was amazing.
We all needed it at that momentin time.
We needed it.

Lauren (33:53):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I could, I could go on, cause I
was also like training for afive K right before the pandemic
.
And yeah, I didn't use the, Ididn't use all of it as momentum
, I used it as a deep dive.

Frank (34:12):
We used it.
We used it to fund Frito-Lay asa company.
It was lots of potato chips, itwas lots of light beers.
We could have done better iswhat I'm saying.

Freda (34:26):
Don't judge yourselves.
It is what it is.

Lauren (34:28):
It's all good, it's okay , the lessons come in many
different forms.
Sure.

Frank (34:35):
And we're better for it.
We have a lot more cholesterol.
It's fine.
Anyway, congrats on you fordoing the right thing.

Freda (34:42):
Yeah, I don't think it has that judgment on it.
It's like, honestly, honey, itwas like I was so miserable, I
was so miserable.

Frank (34:49):
Sure.

Freda (34:51):
That, covid, was better than the misery I was in, so
it's like when you look at itthat way.
It's like I mean, think aboutworking 60, 80 hours a week.
Get out of here, you know it'slike yeah, right.
To, to stop in that way andthen remember who I am, because
I was so enmeshed with everybodyelse to like be able to like

(35:22):
stop talking to my sister, like,move those connections apart
and remember, like, feel what isfree to feel, like I didn't
know.

Lauren (35:25):
Right now I get that the , the slowdown of like just in
general, um, not feeling likeyou need to be at someone, be at
everyone's beck and call tothat people please.
I'm, I am a recovering peoplepleaser and still actively
working on it all the time.
Um, but that not feeling like,um, the pressure of like

(35:47):
everyone needs me to besomewhere, or so you know that
kind of thing was a positiveyeah, it makes us reassess our
values.

Freda (35:56):
What do I actually want to do?
I stopped doing shoulds.
I check in with stuff.
I'm like and like waiting torespond, like let me sit with my
body for a second, let me checkin, let me run that through my
system.
Do I actually want to do that?
Yes or no?
And, like you know, I'm just.
I'm not doing any shouldsanymore, that's so me too yeah.

(36:17):
Occasionally a birthday presentor it's Christmas time or that
kind of thing.
There's some shoulds on thetable, but for the most part I
don't do shoulds.

Frank (36:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's been super helpful.
For me too it's such a goodpractice to like do that
assessment, I still have.
I do the assessment.
I just have a fear on carryingout the.
I should do this, but I totallydon't want to, and and there's
a fear for me sometimes aroundaround um, like falling back

(36:44):
into the should a little bit.
Yeah, so now I'm like, oh, Ishould, I should not care about
what I should do, and yet I'mstill gonna do it, still still.

Freda (36:54):
So that's where is that?
What is that in your body?
Let's just say more about that.

Frank (37:00):
Oh, I guess I would need a specific example.
Okay, here's a great one.
Um, you know, uh, like likegoing to a birthday party.
So I, I have a lot.
I used to just call it socialanxiety.
It's not that I'm overwhelmedby people's energy, especially
when there's a lot of it andespecially when people are

(37:20):
comfortable in conflict.

Freda (37:22):
You're an empath.

Frank (37:23):
Yeah.
So I like sometimes I don'twant to go and it's fair.
Yeah, it's fair.
But that's one of those thingswhere it's like sometimes I
don't.
And everyone knows it, everyoneknows it, everyone knows that
sometimes Frank won't go and Iknow that in those moments I
have to just accept the judgment, because if I don't have the

(37:43):
energy for it that day, I'llaccept the judgment.
And the people who are used totaking offense to that Like, oh
Frank's not here, I'm offended,I'm like I'm sorry, it's not a
promise, it's not about you atall, that kind of thing.

Freda (37:57):
So I don't have friends that get offended, so I guess
it's literally you gotta weedthem out like that was getting
offended.
You're not showing up, it'slike you gotta take care of
friend you take care of youthrough right, like frank takes
care of frank that's like 99.9percent.
That's then you're gonna havefriends that are saying Frank,
I'm so glad that you're takingcare of yourself, Honey.
I love seeing you take care ofyourself like that.
That's beautiful yeah.

Frank (38:18):
You do you.
That's something to consider.

Freda (38:23):
You're taking on other people's stuff.
Get out of here.

Frank (38:25):
Yeah, I know.

Freda (38:26):
Life's too short.

Lauren (38:29):
That was true.

Frank (38:30):
Yeah, let me ask you something real quick, cause you
talked about like um.
You talked about like, oh,working like like 60, 80 hours a
week, um, is ridiculous now inyour mind.
But also something that I'vebeen doing myself is like
redefining what work is, um,because I used to work and I

(38:54):
used to have jobs I hated, and Ihave decided, uh, to not do
that anymore, and so that's.
I'm going through a verysimilar journey.
Yeah, cool, yeah, um, but I dorealize now.
So for you, you might notyou're you're not calling event
plan or you were calling eventplanning work, but you are

(39:14):
technically working all the timebecause you're doing the work
on yourself and you've been likelearning, and then you are
you're talking to people like usabout how to do that for
ourselves.
Like I, I have been trying toredefine that as work.
Still just not, I'm trying todisassociate the misery and work

(39:35):
terms.

Freda (39:36):
You know what I mean yeah , I do it because I love it,
this lights me up.
This makes me happy, and neverin a million years do I think
I'd ever want to sit in front ofa microphone and like run my
mouth.
No, I never thought that wasgoing to be who I ended up being
, but it's just like I have sucha bliss inside of me.
I want to inspire and and liftup and excite others to also
like come on, y'all, you can dothis.

(39:57):
Let's do our healing work andlet's you know you know,
remember that it's.
It's we chose this you know,we're a soul having a human
experience.
You chose your body.
You chose all the things thatare coming at you.
Let's sink into it and sufferless.
How about?

Frank (40:11):
it.

Lauren (40:12):
Yeah, that's really great.
So when you talk about healinglike, are you doing energy
healing, like?

Freda (40:23):
what's your modality?
That's a really great question.
So I started a program calledReturn to Self Love and it is a
private online community and wemeet every morning from 7 a 7 am
to 7 30 uh, online and youdon't have to be in there
because every day's recordinglives in a platform with
handouts and all that.

(40:43):
But, um, it is a daily placewhere we get grounded together
and then we, you know, spiritbrings some sort of healing
through and my ideal studentsare myself five years ago.
So I'm looking for thosededicated cats that are like,
really ready to sink in and, youknow, the teachers, the people

(41:04):
who are like waking up andthey're going to be teachers.
Yeah, those are my idealstudents.
But this community is a verysafe place that exists.
I've been doing it two monthsand two weeks so far and I love
it and I love teaching every dayand it completely lights me up
and that is the way that I havebeen sharing.

(41:25):
And then I've also run like afull moon women's circle on the
full moon.

Frank (41:29):
Oh, that's cool, that's fun.
Wait, what's that?

Freda (41:31):
We do a releasing ceremony so I lead folks through
.
You asked what my modality isand the answer is gosh, because
it's like everything like whatdo you want to?
it's like whatever comes comesthrough at the time.
So it's like I'll just open upthe top of my head and then
healing light comes through andwe do this and then put some

(41:51):
light into you and like or we dosometimes different kinds of
spirit is going to just speakout of my mouth and we just move
the energy through folks'bodies.
But the whole thing with mymorning healing group is just
every day we're clearing thetrauma, just like I talked about
doing in the walking meditation.
So it's that commitment toshowing up for yourself every

(42:14):
day, get deeply grounded andthen clear, clear, clear this
trauma out of your system.
And my whole jam is aboutgetting people connected to
their higher selves.
I never want anybody to becomedependent on me.
I want people using theirdiscernment, getting connected
to them and just helping toclear the things out of the way
so that they can hear themselves.
Because sometimes we have likeit's like oh, am I pursuing that

(42:43):
career choice or that house orthose clothes, or even dyeing my
hair, choosing to remove hairor not remove hair from my body,
like, or plastic surgery?
Whatever choices you're makingin your life, are those coming
from society or like what you'vebeen learned or told to do?
Or is that coming from yourdeep inner truth that you want
your connection?
From you?
That's saying yes, I want thatthing.
So just like clearing all thatnoise out of the way so you can

(43:04):
hear yourself is like my wholejam.

Lauren (43:09):
I love that.

Freda (43:13):
I can't stand anybody that's trying to like I can't
stand predictions.
I was surprised.
I can't stand anybody that'strying to like I can't stand
predictions.
I can't.
I can't stand people asking thesilly questions to psychics
like well, what are the lotterynumbers or what?
What is going on with this orthat?
It's just go look in the mirrorand you do you.

(43:35):
You're great with yourself, andthen everything else will fall
into place yeah kind of whereI'm at.

Lauren (43:40):
I know that's the true, like heal, like healing, is not
needing, like sorry, sorry tothe psychics and mediums out
there, but not needing one, thenthey, they will tell.
I feel like a lot of them arethe first to tell you you don't
need a medium or a psychic.

(44:01):
If you are willing to tap inand ask your higher self the
questions that you want, putdown your phone and get quiet
and ask your questions andautomatic writing.

Freda (44:13):
It's a wonderful way People can start with automatic
writing and they can starttalking to their higher selves
today.

Lauren (44:21):
Talk about automatic writing.
Let's talk about that realquick In case no one has done
that, or in case there's someonethat hasn't done that.

Freda (44:27):
So you can just sort of sit down, plant both feet flat
on the floor.
You can drop your energeticroots.
So like, imagine you have rootsdropping down into the earth,
500 from each foot.
Drop a grounding cord from yourroot.
Just get grounded.
Just get really grounded andcentered in yourself.
Pull your awareness down belowyour heart, in your lower three

(44:48):
chakras.
Right, because sometimes wehave a tendency to hang out
outside of ourselves, to theside of ourselves.
Just get your awareness in yourbody, get embodied.
You know, maybe just hand onthe heart, do some deep
breathing.
You're going to get relaxed,you're going to pull yourself
into your body so that you'renot in the head, right?

Lauren (45:05):
Yeah.

Freda (45:06):
Take your pen, your favorite pen or whatever pencil,
and then you're just going tosit with your notebook, spirit
what is in my best and highestgood to know about today, or
what is my best and highest goodto know about X, y, z and then
just keep your attention andyour energy in the lower parts
of your body and then see whatcomes through.
And then you know it might bequiet for a little while and

(45:27):
eventually you know you mighthear it and start writing it out
, or your pen might just startmoving and it's just going to
come through your body.
We have access to this.
I would love both of you to dothis later today.
Yeah.

Lauren (45:38):
I feel like we need to do that more.
I did it.
I took an intuitive.
I had an intuitive healingmentorship for a year and that
was like one of the firstclasses was doing that, and I
think I like the visual of beinggrounded like that because I

(46:00):
don't know, I think my brain waswanting results or it was
wanting like, it was feelinglike like you said up here, and
it wasn't like in my body.
So I want to try it again,because then it's like well, am
I just making this up or did I?
Is this something that Iactually heard from my higher

(46:22):
self, or did I just?
My brain went like I likepopcorn or something you know,
and that's every single one oflauren's deep journals.
Just says surprisingly a lotabout popcorn.
I found a notebook.

Frank (46:35):
I opened every single page, said I love popcorn.
I said we, we need some, weneed something else my higher
self is very into popcorn I lovethat so much because pops like
popcorn, I call it super popcorn.

Freda (46:49):
But that's actually one of my favorite foods, which is
like well, doing a big bowl ofpopcorn, but it's super popcorn
because it just has the caloriespopcorn.
But then I go to the likepantry and I just dump a whole
bunch of other shit in it butit's still popcorn popcorn is
lauren's topic.

Frank (47:07):
Used to just eat peanut m&ms, that's that is what's up.

Lauren (47:12):
Best combo ever.
I didn't realize until you weretalking about right automatic
writing that I have a.

Frank (47:15):
Really that is what's up.
Best combo ever.
I didn't realize until you weretalking about automatic writing
, that I have a really hard timeliving in my body.
I don't know if I like.
I'm like neck up.

Freda (47:26):
It's really uncomfortable .
We're heavy.
Oh yeah, it's uncomfortable.
You've got to learn how to getused to it.
We hurt A lot of times.
Our bodies hurt.
It can be really painful, youget you get in there and you
start talking to it and askingit what it needs.
And there's your secrets, likethese are the secrets to life
and they're not it.
They're like not a big deal.
But then the steps, likegetting there.

Frank (47:47):
It's like practice you know, yeah, I'm very good at
like feeling my sensations andstuff and then addressing them
from there, but it's like I'malways living here, it's like
there's like some kind ofdisconnect.

Lauren (47:58):
I feel like this is a very good practice for you.

Frank (48:00):
And then even when I meditate like I do the you know,
meditating in a way where I'masking for guidance these days,
right, or or asking for thingsto come in, so I'm trying to
expand my awareness literallyoutside of my body, I don't ever
just live in the lower threechakras.
That's like a wild concept tome, cause when I've gone to sat
down I'm like let me tryautomatic writing, and then I

(48:21):
just ended up writing.
I love popcorn, you know, it'salways coming.
It's a common theme.
It's coming from like a braindump place where I'm just like
getting things out, right.

Lauren (48:38):
Never just seeing what comes.

Freda (48:39):
So that's yeah, that's, that's something for me to try
something for both of us to tryyeah the idea of like morning
meditation, where you get in,you get in your body in the
morning and you drop your roots.
So you're going to be droppingyour roots down through your
feet, drop this idea of thisenergetic grounding cord from,
like your root chakra just downto the earth and then, yeah,
you're just going to, like, youjust hand on the heart like

(49:00):
three deep breaths together.
We could even do it together ifyou wanted to but taking these
three deep breaths, noticingbefore and then noticing after,
really just pulling yourself inthere and sitting in the lower
three chakras and you can justfeel you get heavy.
You're getting in there,sitting in the lower three
chakras and you can just feelyou get heavy.
You're getting in there, you'regetting embodied and then,
throughout your meditationprocess, throughout your

(49:20):
automatic writing, wiggle yourtoes, feel your bum on the chair
where you're sitting, pullyourself back there, because our
brains do want to just like gobing and like go run after
something.
It's a practice to remember tonope come back.
It's like a dog, right?
You have to tell the dog toleave it.
A practice to remember to nopecome back.
It's like a dog, right, youhave to tell the dog to leave it
.
You have to tell the dog todon't go over there, don't eat
that, don't?

(49:40):
You know?
It's like we're telling ourbrains, we're training our
brains.
A little puppy little puppy?

Frank (49:47):
uh, quick question.
This is a very basic question,but you know, in speaking of
grounding, you know, as far asthe uh, I never know what to
call people who don'tnecessarily engage in these type
of topics.
I always end up saying I callthem normies, but whatever it's
the wrong word, I'm going to sayit again, though.
In the normies world, like, theconcept of grounding is having

(50:10):
a moment, but it's very muchfocused on the types of
materials you have around you or, like you know, getting your
feet in the ground.
Can you tell me like you canground yourself without being in
the right like, without havingyour feet in the dirt?
Absolutely okay yeah, and it'sjust this like intentional way

(50:32):
yeah, we do.

Freda (50:32):
You guys want to get grounded together.

Frank (50:34):
We can do it right now.

Freda (50:35):
Yeah, yeah.
So just go ahead and close youreyes and we're just going to go
ahead and we're going toimagine that we have a little
spinning foot chakra on thebottom of our left foot spinning
, spinning, spinning open,spinning wide, and a little
spinning foot chakra on thebottom of our right foot
spinning open, spinning wide,spinning open until the bottom

(50:55):
of each of our feet is an openwindow.
And from here we're going todrop 500 energetic tree roots of
light down through our leftfoot, down in down, in deep, far
and wide, and 500 energetictree roots of light down through
our right foot, down in down,in 1,000 energetic tree roots of

(51:16):
light down and in down and indeep, far and wide, down to the
core center of true earth.
Immediately, rich, high,vibrational, nourishing energy
starts shooting up those rootsinto our feet, over our ankles,
up our shins, over our calves,knees, the tops of our legs,
thighs, reproductive organs andpelvic floor, and into our tops
of our legs, thighs,reproductive organs and pelvic

(51:37):
floor and into our root.
And then we're going to takeour root chakra and spin it open
, spin it wide, spin it openuntil it's about a foot and a
half wide and from here we'lldrop that energetic grounding
cord down to the core center oftrue earth, feeling that rich,
high, vibrational, nourishingenergy, shooting up that root
into our root, pelvic floor,reproductive organs, zooming

(52:00):
back and forth like a figureeight in our hip sockets, over
the thighs, legs, knees, calves,shins, ankles, feet, and down
into those energetic roots wehave established, giving us this
beautiful tripod grounding cordof light, connecting us to
Mother Earth, connecting us tothis moment.
Connecting us to this moment and, if you want, we can place our

(52:26):
hands on our hearts and we canjust notice how our bodies are
feeling.
Let's just take three deepbreaths together, breathing in,
really take yourself, wiggleyour toes and pull yourself down
into your body.
You want to sort of feel yourtoes, feel your bum on the chair
, breathing out, breathing in,since we have ascendancy to

(52:52):
disassociate and hang out aboveour heads, we're really just
pulling ourselves down and ininto these lower three chakras,
breathing out, and one moreBreathing in.
Breathing out and one moreBreathing in, breathing out, and
just notice how your body feels.
If you feel heavier, reallyfeel into your thighs and tops

(53:20):
of your legs, your knees, feelyour feet and then from here,
this is a wonderful place toopen up your meditation practice
, or you can take your energyand expand it out and out and
out, and then that would be awonderful place for you to then
automatically write from orenter into your meditation.

Lauren (53:40):
Okay, I felt like heavier in the bottom part of my
body, automatically write fromor enter into your meditation.
Okay, I can.
I felt like heavier in thebottom part of my body.

Frank (53:47):
You settled in.

Lauren (53:49):
Yeah, and you.

Frank (53:51):
It's.
I have a.
No, no, no, no, no, it wasgreat.
Okay, yeah, I'm going to be.
I'm going to be using that.
I have a uh, let's see, I havea history of purposefully being
able to astral project when Iwas in my 20s.
It's been a little minute, it'sbeen a minute, it's been a 20
year minute and the the visualof like opening up these spaces

(54:16):
below me, I was immediately likewhoa, whoa, whoa, like like
here we go.
It was.

Freda (54:22):
It's oh, really a little bit yeah, of uh falling, yeah,
so, but in a good way yeah, Ijust have this image of you like
opening up the body, your feet,and just going and you're like
on, like a slide, and you justslide down to the core center of
the earth yeah that's also aplace for you to go, which might

(54:42):
be a new place for you toinvestigate, because if you go
up here, maybe you want to godown there.

Frank (54:47):
Yeah, yeah, something new to try, hey.

Lauren (54:51):
Very fun.

Frank (54:52):
That's a very Take the slide.
Take the slide what's downthere?

Lauren (54:57):
Take the loopy slide down there.

Frank (54:59):
That's a very fun.
That's a cool.
Also, I I couldn't help butnotice the, the concept of like
the feet and then the what'd youcall it?
Like from, like from.
I was imagining a chord comingon my tailbone or something yes,
yes what'd you call it?

Freda (55:13):
uh, a grounding chord of light grounding chord.

Frank (55:15):
I mean, that's the exact position of an actual like a
socket, like when you play likethe the.
The third prong is yourgrounding prong.

Freda (55:26):
Oh right, yeah, I was like, hey, I'm a plug, that's
right.
That's a wonderful way to to doit too right, like I sometimes
I think of um, we're a, like apower strip right, you are the
power strip.
And you can, you know when otherpeople come along and they plug
their plugs into your powerstrip and you're like, hey, what
are you doing?
I didn't tell you you can plugyour plug into the power strip,
and you can, you know.
And other people come along andthey plug their plugs into your
power strip and you're like,hey, what are you doing?
I didn't tell you you can plugyour plug into my power strip.

(55:47):
And you, just so that's ourboundaries, right, and that's
our like protection and stufflike that so you can turn your,
learn how to turn your powerstrip off and be like, no, this
is mine, or you can offer it tosomeone if you allow them to
have some of your power and yourpower strip.

Frank (55:59):
I like to think of it that way that's fun, so as soon
as I like that I like that forour very empathic daughter oh
yeah, yes not giving her powerpower strip away to other people
right, yeah, um, the otherthing about that is that I
noticed, as soon as you, um hadus open up the, the, the

(56:23):
grounding, the grounding prong,the grounding cord, I have also
had like a single purposefulwhen I was doing more daily
meditations.
I had a single purposefulKundalini experience and the
second I felt that I actuallyfelt a, a shock in my brain,

(56:44):
which I was like what's a quickconnection, you know.
So I don't have you had anybodyexperienced that before in that
sense, or or have you had anyaccidental kundalini awakenings?

Freda (56:57):
no, I haven't heard about that experience necessarily.
Um, like, when I'm leading mymeditations, the students aren't
talking back, so they're goingthrough their own experiences.
But we have do have profoundchanges and people are getting
you know, they're showing up forthemselves, they're getting a
lot of good stuff going on, alot of good healing work.
That's cool.

Frank (57:17):
Well, thank you for that.
I feel better.

Freda (57:19):
Yeah, I would love to see you doing that every morning.
You know, this is me, right.
I'm just like, okay, so now.
Now, if Frank I'd like to sitdown, I'd get going with this
each day.

Frank (57:31):
Right, get yourself in there, it gets easier, I promise
you if you keep doing it likeit gets easier and easier and
easier.
But yeah, I was, I was, youknow.
I woke up a little early thismorning.
I stepped outside everyonecoffee and I did some grounding
and just facing the sun thismorning for a few minutes.
I'm like I know I need thistoday, so that was very helpful.
Thank you very much.

Lauren (57:48):
See, she knew too.
She knew she was like.
Frank needs this Well, laurendoes too clearly.

Freda (57:57):
There really does feel like there's some work there.
It's like the idea of like,disassociating away from oneself
or like, and then theresistance there wherever there
is resistance, that is showingyou where there's work to do.
So if you're resisting gettingin here, it's like all right,
let's feel like what it's liketo be here.
Yeah, yeah, part, we'refloating off.

(58:28):
You know, we're a soul having ahuman experience.
So we chose these beautifulbodies and every way, shape and
everything about them is somagnificent.
It's like let's feel them.
Let's feel every aspect, thegood, the bad, the pain, the
suffering.
Let's feel all of it and justlike really sink into the
experience.
I mean, it's amazing when we'refloating around on the other
side we don't have a body Likeit's very cool that we get to do
all the cool stuff that we getto do at this physical form.

Frank (58:46):
Yeah, yeah.

Lauren (58:48):
That's such a great way to just like remain present too.

Freda (58:52):
Yeah, and also it shows us how to treat our meat suits
right.
Like what kind of meat suit doyou want you?
Know, it's like yes.
What does it feel like?
Gassy and bloated sweet.
My popcorn's five times as bigas your popcorn.
Let's go that's funny.
So you've been teaching for two, two months and two weeks we

(59:16):
got you so early on yeah well,one of my favorite teachers in
the entire world is renny, andrenny was on your podcast and
she's a wonderful teacher ofmine that I just absolutely
adore.

Frank (59:26):
So she's so nice yeah yeah, she is very kind I love
talking to her um the let's see.
So I've often heard that thelast stage of learning is
teaching and I wanted to ask youif, like in your two months and
two weeks so far, is there anybeen there?

(59:49):
Has there been any lessonthat's like really solidified
itself as like oh, this is this,is it?

Freda (59:55):
Well, to be completely honest, when I first started
like I absolutely have been ableto help move, feel energy
consistently is when I startedand literally showing up for my
students every day and doingthis work Uh, now my channel
opened up and now I just channelalso.
So, like that has happened,Like God, it was like two and a
half, three weeks ago when thatfirst started happening and I'm

(01:00:17):
like.
Oh, snap, what's this?
So then I was just like, okay,well, let's trust it, let's
invite it on in.
It was like at then I was justlike, okay, well, let's trust it
, let's invite it on in.
It was like at first I was inreal resistance, like my brain
is sitting back here, and it'slike now we would like to talk
to the galactic federation oflight.
I'm like am I allowing this tohappen or what?
like guys, I'm just I'm alsovery honest with my students.
In the moment, I was just likeI'm feeling resistance.
I'm going to talk you throughit, but here we go that's great

(01:00:40):
stuff to say.
So, yeah, and it was like laterthat day and I was like I guess
we're doing this now and, um,yeah, it's a pleasure, I love it
, I love it.

Frank (01:00:49):
So that was your first time channeling like that or
with, with the, the, thegalactic feds.

Freda (01:00:55):
Yeah, I've only actually talked to them twice.
Okay, um, but in that way.
So there's two different kindsof channeling.
So the way that I've had accessis it's sort of like I'm
hearing it and then I'minterpreting it through frida.
But this was a trance channelwhen it was like I was sitting
over here and I was just like Iguess you guys are speaking now,
so here we go.

(01:01:16):
I guess I'm gonna get out ofthe way and just sit over here
and like, judge the heck out ofwhat's happening.
It's extremely, extremelysurprising and I'm not exactly
sure what's happening.
So we're just going to keeppracticing with this and uh, yep
.

Frank (01:01:31):
Have you done that again since, or was that like?

Freda (01:01:34):
every day.
Oh, it's a new party trick.
Oh yeah, we're just.
We're doing this every day now,so yeah.

Frank (01:01:39):
That's kind of a newbie to the like, letting them speak
through you.
I have a question.
That's kind of funny because Idon't think I would ever ask
this from someone who's beendoing it for a very long time,
but did you?

Lauren (01:01:51):
like renny right.

Frank (01:01:53):
Did you, did you inherit the speech pattern that I've
heard so many times?
I always hear hello, dear ones,and all this stuff, and I hear
from a bunch of people andthere's a very particular like,
like, like a cadence.
Did you, did you inherit that?

Freda (01:02:08):
Yes, and each person that talks through there's a teeny
tiny.
I can tell that there's alittle bit of a difference.

Frank (01:02:14):
Yeah.

Freda (01:02:15):
Yeah.

Lauren (01:02:16):
And that's so funny.

Frank (01:02:17):
Yeah, if I don't know why yeah, so you still, even even
through, through that you were,you were in the background, kind
of like yeah, I was having tosuspend your disbelief or
something, or what is it uh-huh,just like in the back of your

(01:02:38):
mind you're going.

Lauren (01:02:40):
What the hell did I just say?

Freda (01:02:42):
well, and immediately afterwards I texted renny.
I was like you're not gonnabelieve what that's she's like.

Frank (01:02:46):
Welcome to the club oh my god, that's so funny she's like
yeah, I knew this was gonnahappen.

Lauren (01:02:52):
I'm like okay no, oh my gosh, that's so funny.
Wow, yeah, what is what a, whata change, what a like turn of
events to suddenly be like, ohmy god, okay, yeah no, and I was
in total resistance to it.

Freda (01:03:08):
I spent the day I like went and walked in the woods.
I really sank into it and I waslike, all right, well, if
that's, I didn't see that on mydance card, what else you got?
So it was like later that nightI was like taking a Epsom salt
bath and I was laying in the tuband my half my husband was out
for the evening and I was justlike, all right, let's do it
again.
So I just sank in, I opened mychannel and invited in the

(01:03:29):
Galactic Federation of Light andthey were like now you want to
do some light language?
And it was just like the thingsthat were coming out of my
mouth.
I have no idea what washappening.
There was all sorts of crazystuff and like there was like
moments where I was like singingand this operatic voice that
sounds like opera and I was justlike I don't even know and that
has not happened since.
It was one time in the tub tolike two, three weeks ago.

Frank (01:03:49):
Oh, my gosh.

Freda (01:03:51):
It was real weird.
It was real weird and I waslike amazed, like I felt like I
was at a talent show and wasjust absolutely shocked.
I couldn't believe what washappening, yeah.

Frank (01:04:03):
That's so funny.
You know we have.
What is it?
I want to talk to you aboutthis a little bit more.

Lauren (01:04:09):
I can't get over the opera singing.
I'm sorry.

Frank (01:04:12):
No, it's very funny.

Lauren (01:04:13):
I still can't get over it.

Freda (01:04:14):
It was amazing.
Cause like I can't sing.

Frank (01:04:23):
And like, what was coming was oh.
I was like, oh, this is good,that's amazing Wait real quick.
Can you define light languagefor me?
Is it like speaking in tongues?

Freda (01:04:33):
Yes, yes, okay, did you know why?

Frank (01:04:43):
What purpose.

Lauren (01:04:43):
Does that serve If you don't know what they're saying
and they're having you speaksomething that you're like?
I don't understand this.
What's the point?

Freda (01:04:51):
of that one second, let me actually just ask.
It is bringing through likeactivations and it's bringing
through um, there's like lightcodes in it and there's
activations within it.
It is an energy frequency thatis serving a purpose at the time
okay, yeah but I wouldn't letme ask real quick yeah, I don't

(01:05:12):
know

Frank (01:05:13):
we've asked this thank you, galactic federation, for
answering that question let meask this as well um god, yeah,
we're probably so annoying tothe Galactic Federation.
We're just like, we're justalways ding dong, ditching and
being like, hey, it's us again,but bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.

Lauren (01:05:32):
Renny did a full like channeled message for 2025.
Yeah, it was a lot, it was a.
They did a whole thing.

Frank (01:05:42):
I mean she made a couple of predictions specifically
around like aviation and stuffin the beginning of the year and
we're like, okay, there'snothing like that and that came
super true.
We're having issues still, yeah, um, pretty wild.
But yeah, the what can youdefine light code for me?

Freda (01:05:59):
Oh, like code for me, oh, like um, so let's see.
Oh, my goodness, uh, I'm gonnaask again because that's yeah,
uh, frequencies that are sharedwith each person to have
different abilities, come onlineat different times in activator

(01:06:22):
, so an activator?

Frank (01:06:25):
Is it?
Is it the kind of thing where,like the sounds that you're
making are triggering yourchakras in a certain energetic
way?
That that is, is it like acheat code on a Nintendo?

Freda (01:06:42):
There's no cheating about it, um, because it's more like
um things that were intended tofall in your place at the right
time in order for you toactivate something, in order for
you to do something else okayum more like a gift.
Now you get gifted this and now, because of this, you get that,
or it opens something up withinyou so that you can see

(01:07:04):
something a new way.
It helps you shift yourperspective, to be able to see
something differently.

Lauren (01:07:14):
We talked about light codes with Jessica.
Oh, I know, I just like to getperspectives, yeah.

Frank (01:07:20):
Yeah, that's super interesting to me.

Freda (01:07:21):
Yeah, there's something in it that activates in someone
else.
And please forgive me, becauseI know that some people probably
listening or rolling their eyes, because I'm just like asking.
I'm like, well, what is that?

Frank (01:07:30):
I never really questioned it, um, before I mean because,
yeah, people use the terminologya lot and, like you know, like
I told you, like we like to havethe show be a bridge, so I
always want to define as much asI can, but that is really
interesting.
Sorry, are you still likechanneling something?
I don't want to interrupt.

Freda (01:07:48):
No, I was just asking.
I was just like is that okay?

Frank (01:07:50):
Okay.

Freda (01:07:51):
Is this complete?
Yeah, it feels complete.
Yeah, it's sort of just like ifyou saw the most beautiful
sunset or a painting orsomething that truly touched
your heart, right, somethingthat opens you up, like expands
you oh, that's so beautiful.
Something like that, likecoming in contact with a sound
frequency, can activate insomeone some sort of profound

(01:08:12):
healing.
In a way that's seeing abeautiful sunset or a beautiful
painting or oh, this food is sodelicious.
It activates something insideof me that just cracks my heart
open.
So something like that is thesort of like way that I'm
understanding it.

Frank (01:08:27):
Sure, yeah, I come from an audio engineering background
so like I think in frequencies alot and and that's why I like
really always relate things tobeing like chakra based, because
I know, even just when you'redoing like an OM meditation,
like you can feel that firing upright, you can feel.

(01:08:48):
So I always wonder if, likeyou're doing something like that
, when you're you're speakingthat way and speaking in light
codes.

Freda (01:08:55):
They're saying yes.

Frank (01:08:57):
Okay.

Freda (01:08:57):
Yeah.

Frank (01:08:58):
And that makes sense to me.

Freda (01:08:59):
I mean I wouldn't know, but they're saying yes, so like
whatever that is, it's like yes,Okay.

Frank (01:09:05):
Okay, cool, so let me run something by you real quick,
and then I feel like we've liketaken a left turn into well,
it's fine, though, galacticFederation stuff.

Lauren (01:09:16):
I mean, this is new to Frida, so yeah.

Frank (01:09:20):
I think that's why I love that we're catching it at this
time.
Um, one of the things thiswasn't related to Renny
whatsoever, but one of thethings that we came we, because
we had a bad interview laterwith somebody else and, uh, it
really brought up the concept ofwhat we've called spiritual

(01:09:41):
sovereignty, since, and that islike you know, it's hard, it's
hard to navigate being in thisspace but also saying, like,
don't take anything that doesn'tfully resonate with you.
And I've noticed that whenwe're talking to any kind of
galactics, that it's somethingthat we don't have access to.
I'm sure everyone has someaccess to, but, like, logically,

(01:10:04):
people don't have access tothat immediately, so it's just
them listening to other peopletalk about it.
And you know there've been alot of cases lately.
There's been there was a wholeweekend at one point where there
are people, like on TikTok, whoyou know claim to channel and
they're like, oh, you know, thealiens are coming this weekend

(01:10:26):
and you're going to be able tosee it you're going to see a
couple of motherships.
You're going to see chips in thesky, yeah and like, as someone
into spiritual sovereignty,sovereignty um, I'm having a
hard time saying like, okay,cool, well, I believe that, but
now I have to not believe thisperson or this whole collective
of people that are saying thesethings at the same time and it's

(01:10:46):
hard to like, it's hard tonavigate that.
Do you have any advice aroundthat?

Freda (01:10:52):
Well, frida says use your discernment and like.
But let me just see, I'm justgoing to talk to my higher self
Because I'm not fullycomfortable with the whole
Galactic Federation of Light.
To be completely and totallyhonest with you, I'm super happy
to talk to higher self, frida,like whatever that is Sure, yeah

(01:11:13):
, thank you for that honesty.

Lauren (01:11:15):
That alone is helpful to hear.

Frank (01:11:17):
Because it's like oh man, like, yeah, sorry, go ahead
Talk to higher self Frida.
Oh man, Like I, yeah, Sorry, goahead, Talk to her yeah.

Freda (01:11:24):
I'm just going to ask, like if they have anything to
say around using one'sdiscernment or yeah, yeah, it's
around checking in with oneselfand noticing how does that make
you feel?
Things that send you into fearor a frequency of fear are not
your best and highest good.

(01:11:45):
So there's something herearound like using your
discernment in order to so tofind the things that resonate
with you.
Give me one second.
I'm just going to pull myselfdown.
I'm doing that.
I'll walk you through.
It is like I'm pulling myselfdown and wiggling my toes take
your time yeah, could you askthe question again?

Frank (01:12:09):
when, as individuals, we are trying to identify with our
own spiritual sovereignty, butthen we have to take people's
word for it, when we are, youknow, looking towards, towards
people who have seemingly accessto something that we don't
ourselves have, and we just haveto have faith.
But then sometimes that stuffdoesn't totally manifest in the

(01:12:30):
way that they're claiming to.
How do we like navigate that?

Freda (01:12:34):
Yeah, and what we would say to you is to the faith that
you should have is the faith inyourself.
You are going to check in withyour own guidance and your own
awareness, and you are going toget access to you and check with
your discernment.
Does that resonate with me?
Sometimes we see and readthings in the world that give us
access to things that willlight us up and show us how we

(01:12:59):
can move more towards joy.
What is this thing that you canmove towards?
To follow your bliss, followthose things, and those are the
things that are going to be theanswers for you.
When things put you into fear,separation, those things are not

(01:13:19):
in your best and highest goodto be consuming and putting into
your energetic frequency.
We are asking you not to listento things that put you in that
place.
There is an element of controlthat wants to come in and to
sell you something that is maybenot in your highest good, and

(01:13:40):
that is where you're asking youto use your discernment and only
take things into your life andonly digest things in your world
that are bringing you joy,peace, a feeling of tranquility.
Those are the feelings that youwant to resonate and move
towards.

(01:14:00):
How's that?

Frank (01:14:05):
Good, it gives me a follow-up question.
Yeah, does that imply thatsometimes in our lives that we
maybe are looking into someoneelse's spiritual experience,
that we can see it, but isn'tnecessarily for us?
Like we can see things that,but isn't necessarily for us.
Like we can see things thatenergetically align with other

(01:14:25):
people and it will be true tothem, even if it's not true for
you.

Freda (01:14:29):
Yes, each one of us is capable of creating our own
realities.
We all have differentexperiences, so our realities
are different.
For each of us, this container,this Frida, for each of us,
this container, this Frida, shehas chosen to create her own
heaven on earth.
So her reality is a space whereshe feels things come at her,
for her own, teaching, gifts,learning lessons.

(01:14:52):
But other people live in astate of a lower frequency where
they have the ability to stayin sadness and despair.
Your reality is a making ofyour own creation.
When you shift your perspective, you can move into a place
where you are loving your lifein a way where it is heaven on
earth as well.

Lauren (01:15:12):
That's perfect.

Frank (01:15:13):
It works.
Thank you.

Lauren (01:15:18):
When you channel you, are you like doing like a yawn
to do?
You have a method of doing yourchanneling no, it's like, but
that's energy moving through.

Freda (01:15:30):
I yawn a lot and I twist and turn and move a lot because
uh yeah, I'm.
I have a tendency I rock a lot.
It's just energy is movingthrough my body.
Yeah, yeah, it's weird, it's.
When it first started happening, I was like this is weird.
What's wrong with me?
I got early onset something ohmy god, early onset.

Frank (01:15:52):
Something is the name of my autobiography.

Freda (01:15:54):
I have to write that down there's so many things along
this path, like start hearingvoices.
I call my mother.
I was like oh my god, I've beengoogling schizophrenia I don't
know, what's going on?
She's like yeah, yeah, I hearangels too.
I'm like why didn't you tell me?

Frank (01:16:11):
oh, that's crazy.
Yeah, I know, don't keep thatto yourself, mom.

Freda (01:16:15):
You could have saved me four months of worry here wow oh
my gosh that's so funny.

Lauren (01:16:23):
Well, that makes sense, though, like with the yawning,
like allows you to breathe moredeeply.
So it's clear and somethingclear and energy doing something
?

Freda (01:16:32):
yeah, and I'm not entirely sure.
Again, you're getting me earlyand it's such a pleasure to talk
about.
I want to be one of thoseteachers.
It's like I just want to becompletely open and transparent
and take the journey with others, because I do believe that that
everyone has the ability to dothese things.
If you want it, you canpractice and you can get there.
It's, it's yours, for thetaking is what it truly feels

(01:16:53):
like, and to be open in that way.
We're so used to seeing thefully formed spiritual teacher
or guru after 30 years.
Here's my work, and it's likeyou know what if we're just
along for each other's rides?

Frank (01:17:06):
I literally I think I was talking about that last week
Like we are meant to coach, Ithink I think that the age of
gurus is ending and we're allsupposed to travel alongside
each other.
You know and learn from eachother and, like I said, like
even the concept of what I wastalking about saying, like
teaching is the final stage oflearning, like you use that

(01:17:28):
requires you to walk alongsideyour students.

Lauren (01:17:33):
I think it's super important.
Yeah, that's helped me, becauseI'm like, oh, at some point I
might be coaching or something,or you know, and the minute I go
I don't know shit.
Well, wait a minute, I have alot of life experience, that is.
And my friend was like.

(01:17:59):
My friend Kelly was like you'vebeen already doing this for
years, like think about all ofthe girls nights that we've had,
and you're just like sayingthings that people, our friends
or whatever need to hear.
And I'm like, oh, that's true,yeah, using my again, going back
to alchemizing trauma intowisdom for others and just being
like I don't know, I'm not aguru, but this is what's been

(01:18:22):
helping me, or I've learned this, or whatever.

Freda (01:18:25):
That's beautiful, though.
As we share our learnedexperiences with one another, we
can learn and grow together.
And also, it makes us not feelso alone.
It's so lonely, you know, butyou can share with your friends,
and then they, just you know,it's like you're not alone.
I see you.

Lauren (01:18:38):
Yeah.

Frank (01:18:45):
To be witnessed is a beautiful and powerful thing in
this life.
Yeah, there's also a weird uhexpectation, when you're in a
coaching position, to have allthe answers, and it like sets up
this like false hierarchy.
When you know, especially whenyou're student, there's no like
like, oh, just follow this,these guidelines.
Every single student and likeyou're gonna figure it out like
you're, you're, each student, isa fingerprint.
And you working with them, likeyou said, like you don't have a

(01:19:06):
modality, you're using what'sneeded to work with them and
that's you're probably nevergoing to run into a combination
that presents itself in the sameway when you're working with
people.

Freda (01:19:18):
Agreed.
Now, that's not something thatyou can sell to a lot of people.

Frank (01:19:22):
That's.
That's tougher marketing, yeah.

Freda (01:19:29):
Yeah, right, but also like yeah, that's super not who
I am, so I would be very openabout that, yeah.

Frank (01:19:34):
Yeah.

Freda (01:19:35):
There's some, there's some nonsense in that big stuff
there's there.
You know it's like there mightbe little bits and pieces within
that.
You know each, each person isabsolutely their own, entirely
their own blueprint.

Lauren (01:19:46):
So yeah, yeah.
Well, I'm so happy that we gotthat, we got you this early in
in this journey in particular,and I can't wait to hear where
you're at in like six months ora year or something like let us
be part of your marketingcampaign.

Frank (01:20:07):
Whenever you have like a new offering or anything, send
us an email.
We'll we'll shoot it out to allof our listeners and all that
stuff.
That's really generous, thankyou yeah, of course, and on that
note, please tell people whereto find you and what your
current offerings are yeah, andif they can join your morning
daily.

Lauren (01:20:25):
What are you calling it?

Freda (01:20:26):
It's called Return to Self-Love.
So one of my whole jams is like, through the practice of
self-love, truly deeply fallingin love with oneself.
That is also a way to getconnected to the divinity, to
your higher self, the divine,because we are each so
incredibly made of love and ifthose things go, if that feels

(01:20:46):
tricky inside of your system,that's all the stuff that we
have to move aside so that youcan feel truly deeply fall in
love with yourself.
Yeah, so I have a programcalled Return to Self-Love.
You can find out more about iton my website, which is
fridahealingcom, and I also justdo private sessions and I have

(01:21:10):
two books that I've written.
I wrote a book called Learningto Love Myself, which is
available on Amazon, and I wrotea book called I Am you, you Are
Me Words for my Inner Child,which is about reparenting
therapy and parts work I shouldshare with you.
Also, I have a podcast and aYouTube channel.
So I have a YouTube channelthat has things like that
grounding meditation on it sothat you can go use it.

(01:21:30):
I do core cuttings andclearings.
There's like all sorts of stuffon there.

Frank (01:21:33):
What's the channel?

Freda (01:21:35):
The channel is called Frida Maletsky Healing Arts and
the podcast and then that is onthe youtube channel is called
the healing artist all right,perfect, go listen yeah frida

Frank (01:21:49):
thank you so much we uh again like if anything comes up,
please let us know, let us bepart of your marketing campaign
and uh, dude, have a great daythank you so much.

Freda (01:21:59):
Thank you both of you.
Thank you thank you frida, talkto you soon, okay bye thank you
for listening.

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