July 3, 2025 • 39 mins
We’re recording this one from a hotel bathroom in Aspen (yes, really) while our kids sleep in the next room. Life’s in full transition—we’ve left our old home, haven’t moved into the new one, and decided now’s the perfect time for a multi-state road trip (classic Sagittarius move).
In the midst of this beautiful chaos, we’re reflecting on presence, parenting, tarot wisdom, and unexpected spiritual shifts.
Home, it turns out, might just be the people you’re with.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
wayfeather media presents claire voyaging.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wow we are coming to you from a bathroom in a hotel
in aspen, colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah hi, hey hi, friends, how's it going this?
What a setup frank has createdfor us so that we could check in
real quick because, in case youdidn't notice, we have missed
two weeks of episodes and we'resorry just a little bit um wait,
we're just a little bit sorryno, we've just a little bit
(00:53):
missed two weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah um hi hey, hope everyone is doing great we
don't want to leave you highand dry like that doesn't feel
good.
That wasn't the plan.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But you know, the minute we started packing up the
studio, it was like oh okay,yeah, we're probably going to
have a few weeks off.
So also, if you're wonderingwhy we're whispering, it's
because we put our kids down forbed and they're in the other
(01:29):
room.
If you're watching this, thenyou'll see that we look
ridiculous because we are in thebathroom.
We're hiding out here to giveyou a little update.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So, Frank, Anyway, hold on real quick.
We've been road tripping right,so we've been.
When did we leave?
Okay, hold on real quick, We'vebeen road tripping.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, so we've been when did we leave?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, hold on, let's back up from there.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We have moved out of our house.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But not moved into a new one.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So we're currently temporarily staying with my
parents, except for we stayedwith them for a total of Four
nights.
Four nights I we stayed withthem for a total of four nights.
Four nights I think.
And then we hit the roadbecause lauren had a job thing
to do in aspen and we decided itwould be really fun and smart
to simultaneously get our houseready to sell while also just
(02:17):
jump on like a two-week two-weeklong road trip with our kids.
Did I mention we're Sagittarius.
This is rough.
I just happened to buy thislike pretty decent webcam before
we left and I brought theequipment just in case.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I wish you could do like a behind the scenes of what
this actually looks like,because it's pretty insane.
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Anyway, the point is that, like I thought, oh yeah,
we'll make some content on theway and at the very least we'll
tell everybody.
If you know push comes to shove, We'll just like drop a quick
audio announcement.
Hey, you know what guys, wemight have to take a couple
weeks off.
You know we're on the road,We'll just drop a quick audio
announcement.
Hey, you know what guys, wemight have to take a couple
weeks off, we're on the road.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We're moving.
We're not in our home.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And the second we hit the road to do this.
It was just, mind you, we havea three-year-old and a
seven-year-old.
It's just chaos.
So living someplace every night, maybe at the most staying
someplace for two nights yeah ata time is like it's a lot I'm
not doing great, but it's been alot of like.
(03:35):
I will say that doing all thisI haven't had a lot of time like
, actually like, think about thethings that I normally think
about in terms of like, oh,we're moving, and like oh, what
am.
I going to do when we move andall this stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, it's probably kind of better in that way.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's not.
Oh, okay, in addition to me notbeing super clear on what I'm
going to do once we move, interms of, like, you know how I'm
going to earn an income, oranything like that, if you guys
have been listening, I have beentold from multiple sources that
I shouldn't try and figure itout until I get there.
Um, some of those multiplesources include some of the
(04:14):
fantastic people we've had onthe show in addition to my tarot
deck which, every time I pulleda card, it said to continue
organizing and packing up thehouse literally there was one
night that we pulled tarot cardsand Frank was like, okay, how
can Lauren and I, what should wemanifest together?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And it was I forget what the card was.
But Elliot Oracle is ourmessenger and he was like, get
your house in order.
This was like two weeks beforewe were going to move and I was
like, oh my God, like we're notsupposed to manifest anything
except for organizing our house,and Frank said okay, he got
(04:58):
kind of like pissed at hisspirit guides for a second
second and he said as usual yeah, he said wait, why?
how come everything that you'retelling me lately is to like
stay in the present.
Why can't I look towards thefuture?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
we pulled another card and it was about like
organizing your house anddecluttering yeah it's like more
of the same and it was likelike bitch, you better get your
shit in order and once againlike this maybe for some people
that would be a fine thing toget, but, um, I know we keep
(05:38):
talking about human designwithout without actually having
it to be anybody on to talkabout it, but but it's coming.
But in human design I am anwhat is it called?
It's a one four.
So I'm an investigatingopportunist, opportunist,
something like that.
So, like you know, for the pastyear and a half I've been
(06:00):
nonstop complaining about notbeing able to turn off my brain
and we've had people on who arelike oh, Frank, like you need to
stop thinking so much.
Turns out that's built in, right.
So, like for me and I've beencoming to terms with that I'm
like, okay, well, how do I, howdo I put my terrier of a puppy
brain on the right path, whereit stays busy and enables me to
(06:21):
do other things while not likeoverthinking, right?
So I'm like learning how towork with it, which has been
pretty great.
But in this case, where youknow there's so much going on
and so many like big life movesoccurring, it's been like, okay,
I need to actively not thinkabout this, but I don't have
anything as important to thinkabout to like kind of
(06:42):
temporarily distract.
So now that we're on this roadtrip and like we have sorry,
we're also out of breath becauseit's freaking aspen yeah, we
are not used to this altitude,more like yet as as aspirating,
aspirating ben no, no, no um,what the fuck was I saying?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I don't know, you have brain frog.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I have brain frog so do.
I.
There's not enough O2 up here.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I'm so tired.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And like anyway, the whole point was like now we're
on the road and it's like, okay,now I have.
You know Lauren's still takingmeetings from the road, you know
she's working.
So it's like I got to find apark in Richfield, utah, to make
sure that the kids stayentertained for a little while
before we, like, hit the roadagain.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, and then like and an arcade at the Excalibur
in Las Vegas.
By the way, if you'reconsidering taking your kids to
Las Vegas, if you have a toddler, don't do it, don't do it, it's
hard, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
We have made it's hard.
We have made it's hard A seriesof poor choices.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was fine, but it's tough.
Was it fine, those games arefun.
Why can't I play on those?
Those are for the adults andthe children.
Games are in the dungeon.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, literally the fun, dungeon the fun dungeon
yeah.
Anyway, but yeah, walking past,like you know, ghostbusters,
casino games, oh god, is thatfor me?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
yeah, nah, buddy, it's not for you, I'm sorry, do
they got a python man game here?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
nope, nope anyway, man, we are non-stop side
missions here.
They're like the few momentsthat I had to like actually sit
down, let's say, let's say atthat park in richfield utah, I
like threw my back against awall and like I let the kids you
know, I was keeping an eye onthem and I was like, oh no,
(08:35):
what's after this?
Yeah, not just in terms of likeafter the park, but but like no
, no, I know, yeah, when we getto the final destination.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
What does Frankie boy do?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You know, what I love that you've kind of landed on,
though, or like not landed on,cause I don't know if you will
actually do this, but like thatyou're considering which I don't
think you would have everconsidered even two months ago
is being a reiki practitionerokay like what?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
imagine the turn of events that have had to lead to
this, where it's like, oh yeah,that does kind of make sense so
like having been on the roadlike and not having our normal
access to the like psychic, uhcon, the psychic and esoteric
conversations that we normallydo, and not being busy with
editing or anything like that.
(09:32):
Yeah, I've just been thinkingabout some of those older
lessons and thinking about stuffthat I've investigated on my
own time investigated on my owntime and one of the things that
kept popping up for me was a fewweeks ago I had pulled up I
think I mentioned on the showtoo I pulled up the uh idea of
(09:53):
like, uh, how, in tarot, youhave birth birth cards, yeah,
yeah, and I was like at first Iwas like, oh, that's really cool
.
So my birth cards were the.
Um, I think I don, birth cardswere the I don't know if it's
based on your month or if it'sbased on the day, whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I don't know, you like add things together.
I forget what we did.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But there's really only a couple of combinations
and you're given two.
Anyway, mine is the chariot andtower and, like, on a
foundational level, like thechariot and tower, uh,
combination is is foundational,it is that you are supposed to
be someone who is in a positionwho, like, helps things.
(10:33):
I, I, I tapped into um, my chatgpt, to help me interpret, so
I'm going to use some of thelanguage that, uh, that did
sorry, we do use chat gpt yeah,it's fine it's fine, we don't,
we're not it's my not.
It might not be we're not.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We're not relying on it all the time.
This might not age well butwe're not becoming like mindless
robots no, it's a tool.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's a tool, it's a conversational tool and just
like I just need to put that outthere.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And it's a thought sometimes.
Yeah, it's a thought partner.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah and the thing that gpt says that, that
like I told it to act, act aslike a professional, esoteric,
like uh, what do you call it?
Consultant, basically, and um,it said that that combination
really is for um spell breakingin like societal sense.
The societal sense like pointout the things that don't work,
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point out.
And so it's like that, thatlike elemental sense in me that
I'm always kind of.
I'm like why am I so angsty allthe time?
You know we're in Aspen, right,listen, we're in Aspen, okay.
And like you know, there's likesome little like things I could
take the kids around to dowhile Lauren's at work and I'm
(11:46):
walking around just going, likeyou, rich son of a, like
everyone, everyone here is likeyou, can you know when you can
just smell it, you're like, ah,you guys have a lot of money and
and frank's texting me I'm I'mat the aspen ideas festival,
which is, like you know, thoughtleaders and and all these
really powerful people likecreating change within the world
, and he's like there's a lot ofrich people in aspen and I was
like I know I know that shouldcome
(12:07):
at this festival where there's alot of rich white people yeah
so, like seeing, like the, thisis a place where you know
there's nothing wrong withhaving money of course, I've
said that before but this is aplace where people of privilege
come or like can't afford tocome and hang out um, we
shouldn't be here.
But, like you know, beingsuddenly like dropped into that
(12:32):
culture, it's like, ah, okay,yeah, you guys have benefited
from certain things that themajority of people don't, yeah,
and like so I can't help but bea little angsty about it.
It's not about the money, it'sabout the.
You know, I'm I'm over in thekids areas hanging out with the
(12:54):
nannies and it's like what isthat?
What?
What world is that?
Even, yeah, it's really youknow it's really weird.
Yeah, really you know it'sreally weird.
Yeah, I'm, yeah, maybe it's notweird.
I don't know, maybe I'm justbeing super judgmental and I'm
sorry if that's how it comes off, but yeah, it is well it's just
not like what we're used to.
Also like it's a very affluentarea and that's we're not as
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used to that but like back tothe cards, like my whole whole
thing is supposed to be likeyour angst, my angst, your punk,
yeah, like seeing through thosethings and being like this
isn't working for everybody andI think things need to change.
And then you know, being herewhere, like, people might not be
, people might be like somewhatoblivious to that, or at least
seemingly, maybe they're greatchange makers.
(13:41):
They might be at yourconference, I don't know, but
great change makers, they mightbe at your conference, I don't
know.
But yeah, so the whole thingfor me is supposed to be like
that tower card, that beingthere for the change, and then
the chariot card of the drivingfor something new and something
better.
That's built into me.
And there's something to me, youknow, in the last few episodes
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before that I kept talking about, like the concept of
sovereignty for me, be it likespiritual sovereignty or
sovereignty of I don't know, thepatriarchy and how I fit into
it.
That feels to me very elementaland very foundational and just
like a part of who I am at mycore.
Plus, like you know, I like tomake silly jokes, so I like to
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have fun with it.
But coming back to the Reikithing and how that all ties
together.
Before we went on the road trip, we had a quick little
rendezvous with Emily Bolsik, afriend of the show.
Friend of the show.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Emily.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And I had a moment to like actually consider for a
second the because she wasasking for a little bit of
advice from us.
I had a moment to like actuallyconsider for a second the the
because she was asking for alittle bit of advice from us.
I had a moment to actuallyconsider like hey, the things
that I've learned how to do, thevery small psychic advancements
that I've made in feelingsomeone out, like being in their
presence, and that I took amoment while Emily and Lauren
(15:00):
were talking and I kind ofturned around secretly.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
As he turned he's.
He's currently turned around.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And I was thinking all right, hopefully nobody
notices, I'll just pretend likeI'm looking at the stars and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But I found that he's looking at the hotel bathroom
ceiling right now.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I found that when I turn around, I can feel people's
energy more and I was able toproceed to like maybe give some.
I felt some things, I was ableto give some advice that I
normally wouldn't otherwise.
So that whole thing of likefeeling someone out again and
like being able to use thatinformation to assist in any
kind of way is very aligned withReiki.
(15:40):
Yeah, and then, in addition tothat, the way I've been using, I
accidentally came across aReiki strategy that I didn't
know was a Reiki.
Yeah, like take a deep breathand when she blows out to like
(16:02):
expand her field, because I've Inoticed that anxiety feels like
a contraction and when youexpand your field on a, on a out
breath, things feel a littlebit better.
So it's a and a and reallyblowing out and feeling like a
bubble of air, safe airspacearound you, growing yeah it's a
(16:26):
broadcasting right and like I'vebeen doing it for myself as
well and I'm like that's reallycool.
I don't know what that is, butit came to me intuitively and I
went and looked it up and liketurns out that's a reiki thing.
Oh, okay fine, fine, I'll buyit.
But yeah, everything's pointingback to Reiki.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Nothing's more basic to me than like, and good basic
than like sitting down with aperson and feeling them out and
if you have their, their umwhat's the thing?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Permission.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
There's a, there's a word that's more applicable.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Approval.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Uh consent.
Consent, consent, and if youhave their consent, I am a white
presenting male who can'tremember the word consent, with
their consent, like you know,engaging in some conversation
with them about what you feltand like again, there's nothing
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more basic than that for me,like an elemental.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What's so funny is that, like I've said several
times on this show or to whoeverabout Reiki, that like, oh,
it's been this thing of like Idon't know why I learned it.
I know why I learned it Ineeded this like deep healing,
and also I know I'm going to dosomething with it.
I know why I learned it Ineeded this like deep healing,
and also I know I'm going to dosomething with it.
But I also know that I'm notgoing to be a one-on-one Reiki
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practitioner.
And it's just so funny likethinking about how it
potentially will be you and likejust me kind of exploring and
going like what is this?
And then giving you some Reikiplacements.
It's kind of like taking thisother path and for me I'm like I
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see myself in like a groupsetting where I'm like maybe
doing guided meditations thatare Reiki infused or something,
but like I'm like the one-on-onething.
I don't like that's for me, andyou're like no, I think that
actually might be for me.
I'm like the one-on-one thing.
I don't like that's for me andyou're like no, I think that
actually might be for me.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm a small groups guy and then, while talking
about this with Lauren, again, Idon't want to.
This is how many things have Iproposed during the course of
the show I've been like, oh, itmight be this, I might be doing
this, I might be doing this.
I made a book.
No one bought.
I also the place, messed it up.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Anyway, your poor journal.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
My stupid journal.
I still like it.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I like my journal.
By the way, if you want ajournal, send us an email.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Just say hey, I'd take one.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah say, I want journal.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You'll get a journal.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Give me journal Journal free yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Just ask.
Anyway, yeah, I'm a smallgroups guy, I'm a one-on-one guy
anyway, so like that makessense.
I think I just needed to getthere in my way.
Also, we remembered that what?
Two years ago now, our familytherapist that we had for a
while, dr Claire, as we call himon the show Dr Claire did once
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say that he had a feeling thatyou were going to get into Reiki
for my benefit somehow, and Iwas like at the time I was like,
oh cool, I'm going to get abunch of Reiki sessions from my
wife.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I was like, of course it's always about him, it
is Anyway.
I was like, so I'm doing thework so he can benefit.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I never thought that it would be potentially me doing
the actual Reiki sessions, soyeah, that's cool, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So I think it's cool that, like, because you haven't
had a list of to-dos besides,keep the kids entertained, drive
to the next location, sleepbetter, breathe better, high
altitude I think it's kind ofgiven this idea a little bit
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more space, so I think that'scool.
Also, like, what I've kind oftaken away from this road trip
is that, like, we're really inthis in-between space and I kind
of thought, you know we did, wemoved out of our home and I
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thought I would take it harder.
And I don't know if it'sbecause we're in this in-between
or what it is, or if I did someof the healing by talking about
it a lot, but I thought my rootchakra would be really upended,
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really having a hard time, andI've felt like, okay, this is
just the next thing and I don'tknow there's something where I'm
like going to bed in adifferent place almost every
night.
Hashtag van life.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Hashtag van life.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Is.
There's something kind of likethere's a little unsettled
feeling to it, but it's alsokind of like well, what's this,
what's next?
I don't know.
And I think it's been a littlehelpful for me to not like sit
in the like, the belonging, thelike you know, like the root
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chakra, like safety, security,belonging.
I am constantly in a state of.
I am constantly in a state ofno, I belong here too and I'm
safe and I am secure and thingsare taken care of until we
actually move.
So we don't have, I mean, if wewere like I want to go home,
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our house is empty.
So it's not like we'd be goingback to the comfort of what we
know, it's like, oh, we haven'tmoved yet and our home is each
other Guys, I said it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I said it, I have to mute to bar for a second.
Our home is each other.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But it is kind of true, like it's kind of um, it's
helping me like feel at peaceand just riding the wave, and
also because I have to like tellmy kids every night, like, put
your hand over your heart, tellyourself I am calm, I am safe,
I'm ready for bed, like I'mdoing that Also, I'm repeating
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it and in any setting I'm going,I belong, I'm safe, I'm calm,
and yeah, it's been aninteresting adventure that I
wasn't.
I wasn't expecting that I'd belike okay, this is fine.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, that that that is a really good point.
Point, not that everyone couldgo on like on a road trip to
aspen whenever they want, but,um, yeah, I will say like, and I
I'm also not advocating forrunning away from your problems,
but there is an element to like, what do you want to call it?
Going with the flow, like yousaid you know, yeah, yeah, um or
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riding the wave really that'swhat it is.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
What's next?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean, even though we're not having like a bunch of
interviews right now, I'm stillvery active on on witch talk
and by active I mean I'm lurking.
Everyone is saying that likeastrologically.
There's a lot going on rightnow and in fact when the day we
moved out, because we moved ourstuff into a storage unit
temporarily because we're notmoving in officially for until
the middle of July to our newplace.
But we were at the trainstation in San Diego and I saw a
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young woman with some reallycool tattoos and I said those
are cool tattoos.
Did I ask that much to setsomething stupid Like what do
you do?
Or something?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, you, like you pointed out, you could tell that
there were like esotericsymbols yeah and then you said
we have a podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And she said, oh cool , I'm an astrologer right, yeah,
and, and even in that smallconversation she was saying like
there's a lot going on rightnow astrologically, and even
that aside, you just look at thenews, man yeah shit's going off
and I haven't had a lot ofbecause we've been on the road,
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I haven't had a lot of time tolike, dig in and and pay
attention to it and then, if youmiss a couple days, it's the
truth is it's too much to catchup on.
Yeah, and it's, it's all bad,it's all fucking bad there's not
.
There's not a lot of good stuffin there yeah, but the thing is
is when you take a couple daysaway from it and you're riding
the the wave of your own lifeand and you're setting your
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yourself and your immediatefamily and your loved ones as a
priority, and you, you, you takea break from that junk and you
come back to it, you're gonnalook at it and be like this is
almost comical, how dumb thingsare right now.
Not that it's not important.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And that obviously comes from like a place of
privilege, because we are notpeople who are concerned about
our safety of being detained.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I mean there's people whose safety I'm concerned
about, though.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But I'm just talking about the news.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I know, yeah, yeah, I'm just acknowledging our
privilege we're very aware, aswe stand in our hotel room in
Aspen but paid for by my company.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I don't like it here.
Does that help?
I can't breathe anyway.
Yeah, you come back to the news.
You realize how stupid I can'tbreathe Anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, you come back to the news, you realize how
stupid it is.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, it's not that the news is stupid or unimportant.
It's that there's, especiallyright now.
The rate at which things arebeing dismantled in an unhelpful
way is like too much to keep upon, and if you were to keep up
on it like you would be consumedby it yeah.
Make no mistake, if you arekeeping up with the news on a
daily basis, you are not in agood place right now, and yeah
(26:08):
I'd highly recommend refocusingyour attention and you know, you
know the old phrase uh, be thechange you want to see in the
world.
like settling into that andreally focusing on like your
immediate surroundings couldhave the most positive impact.
But if you let that shit takeyou down like you're not helping
, yeah.
I'm not saying not to get outthere and protest.
(26:30):
Do that if you can and ifyou're able.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, protest, but there's, it is your voice.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The other way to protest is to just to be your
own light and the light forpeople around you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And like holding on onto that and being that person
for everybody.
That's a huge deal, especiallytoday.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So yeah, it's true.
So, guys, I mean I was going topull a tarot card, but I feel
like we don't need to.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, pull a tarot card .
Pull a tarot card.
Pull a tarot card.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You have to hold my microphone while I do it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I'm holding your mic, wait, hold on.
What's that again, lauren Do?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
we want to.
I feel like we want to collecta question for our collective I
feel like.
The Claire Voyaging Collective.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We're a collective.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Our listeners, you, sweet puppies, our sweet babies.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
That have stuck around two weeks Like I'm sorry
about that.
I really am sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I want to be better than that yeah.
Yeah, I want to be better thanthat.
Yeah, yeah, oh Well, hold on.
Well, they're all face down.
A couple dropped.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
There's too many.
Look at my deck.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Lauren picked up the neon.
Isn't that neat, neon neat.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
If you can't see it because you're just listening.
They're neon, it's theRider-Waite, but they're neon
colored.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Um, okay, hold on, let me, let me get some asmr on
the deck.
Oh, that's nice, that's so coolwhat's the question?
Um, just pull a card.
Pull a card for the collectiveright now what do we need to
hear, guys?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
yeah, what do we all?
What are we all needing?
The fool reversed he's a homie.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And this is the part of the show where we realize we
don't know anything about thedeck, even though we use it
almost every day, and laurentypes in the full reversed comma
elliot oracle anyone listeningthat they like knows tarot
really well, is like you idiot.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Here he goes.
Hi, I'm Dr Ellie Daddum withtoday's card of the day, which
is the Fool, reversed, nowupright.
The fool is an archetype fornew beginnings and just
basically feeling optimisticabout a fresh start and going
fearlessly into the future.
When he comes up reversed, heoften accompanies a sense of
feeling afraid of gettingsomething started because we're
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afraid we're going to lookfoolish, we're afraid we're
going to look stupid or not knoweverything, and this could be a
really crippling companion thatactually limits so many things
that you could be doing in yourlife, because you're just
self-conscious or you're afraidof how other people are going to
receive who you are or whatyou're doing.
When this card comes upreversed, it's saying to begin
(29:20):
anyways, even if you're afraidyou don't know everything, and
to get rid of that sense ofbeing an imposter, that imposter
syndrome that somehow, ifpeople find out you don't know
everything, they're going todiscover that you're a fraud.
This card is saying to beconfident and optimistic, to
read more or to schedule asession.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, listen up.
We are in a period of time Holdon Handing the mic back to
Lauren.
We are in a period of time when, if that meant something to you
in terms of, like world eventsright now, keep in mind that
we're in a period of time whereall the people who would
normally say they know betterthan you have led us to this
moment.
They blew it.
(29:59):
You could not blow it harder.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
They are idiots, yeah but that could also be
something personal in someoneelse's like.
Yeah, but I'm talking aboutcurrent events right now.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, so and and then and I mean same thing with if
you're so concerned, if you'reconcerned about what someone in
your life might say about you,or you're worried about what you
might say about you becauseyou're not confident about where
you're going.
We are in a period of timeright now where it is the time
to take a risk to not know whereyou're going and do it anyway
(30:35):
it is the time to take a risk tonot know where you're going,
and do it anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I mean, I will say like for just for me.
What I got from that for myselfis that I'm here in this place
where I'm a little bituncomfortable.
I feel like a fish out of waterand I'm going to this like
Aspen Ideas Festival, which islike this kind of fancy like,
like I said, thought leaderschange makers.
I just heard the governor ofMaryland, wes Moore, speak today
(30:58):
and Steve Kerr, and I'm like Idon't know that.
What am I doing here?
I know I haven't been able totalk to you yet.
We went straight to the podcastin the hotel bathroom.
But I keep having this imposterfeeling of like well, these
guys are cool and everybody hassomething to say and I'm just a
(31:19):
dummy.
What am I doing here?
And it's a bad habit because weall bring something unique to a
situation and like let go ofthe.
Everybody has imposter syndrome, even I mean, I guarantee you,
even Steve Kerr, the governor ofMaryland, was like I just one
(31:40):
day said I think I want to begovernor of Maryland.
And he's like I had never hadany experience in politics and
just ran like an interestingcampaign and he won.
The guy's awesome.
And I was like was like, well,okay, if he doesn't know
anything about politics, likethat's so cool.
He probably felt like animposter at first and let's talk
(32:02):
about this card one more time.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
The fool, just real quick.
Why is this not focusing onwhatever you guys get it, the
fool.
I'm holding up the full card,I'm holding it up, right.
I have heard something recentlythat was so interesting to me
about the concept of the fooland the mayor of Maryland.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Governor.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Governor of Maryland.
Governor of Maryland.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I said Mayerland, the governor of Maryland.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
One more time.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I don't want to do it .
I'm gonna say it wrong again.
This dude waking up I have noidea what it looks like or
anything about his history, butthis dude waking up one day and
saying I think I want to be thegovernor, like that's cool.
Um, and the rest of us?
You might think for a second.
I think for a second.
What gives you the right?
(32:56):
What gives you the right tolike, wake up and just decide
that you're going to do that oneday?
Yeah, and how did that happen?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean it has like a really cool.
He did other things.
He worked on Wall Street, hedid a nonprofit, he did all
these other things, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But the point is like you're just going to wake up
and decide that one day, yeah,and then you're going to get it.
Yeah, you know the fool card.
What did I read about it?
I read about it how, like ingeneral, for whatever reason,
the universe favors the fool,the fool gets luck, and that's
what the fool card is about.
Look at this happy-go-luckynerd.
He's going to go out there andhe's going to become the
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governor of Maryland because hethought he could, and all this
stuff.
I'm saying like what gives himthe right?
Like that's my own inner voicetelling me that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
If I wanted to wake up in the morning to say that I
want to do that like I wouldn'tlet myself think that I'd say
that's ridiculous.
You haven't led a life thatwould lead to that.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Or you know, like you don't, but like you.
But it's funny because youcould carve a path at some point
, if you were like that's whatI'm going to do.
Like you, there's nothingstopping anybody from doing
anything, and that's what thiscard tells me.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
But even still, like carving a path, there's an
element of like, I don't know,not saying that hard work
wouldn't be involved inacquiring that job, but before
the work, the thing that strikesme as the most important and
something that keeps coming backlately from one of our first
episodes, is Sarah Reeves.
I have to go back and listen tothat episode.
(34:36):
But sarah reeves said, like youneed a belief system, and I've
thought about that and I I'm Ikeep wondering if I've misheard
that.
If it was, you need a beliefsystem or you need a belief
again like the way quantumthings are working.
These days, everyone isrealizing that our brains are
actually receivers more thananything and that we are, to a
(35:00):
certain degree, sculpting ourworld around us.
You have to believe that youcan do something and not like
we'll see how it goes, kind ofway.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
But, like in a, you kind of have to believe that you
can do something.
If there's something that youeven remotely like want to
achieve, you have to be a fool.
Allow yourself to be a fool.
If the worst version ofyourself is harsh and denying
you of something that you want,you have to let yourself be a
(35:31):
fool for a moment and say I cando it, anybody could do it, I
could do it.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
And I'm just going to add to that by.
I'm going to continue to talkabout Wes Moore for one second,
because he was super inspiring.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Is that the mayor of Governorland?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Governor of Maryland.
He lost his dad when he wasfour years old.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I'm going to call him a nerd.
That's fine, keep going.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Very cool, anyway.
So he said, like when he hearspeople say I'm going to do that
thing in five years, I'm goingto do that thing in 10 years,
for him he's like I know, lifeis not promised to us.
And when I hear someone saylike I'm going to do that thing
in like probably like 10 years,I'll do that later, he goes like
(36:21):
oh, who'd you talk to that?
Like told you how much time youhad left.
And I think that's a greattakeaway to just remember that,
like that, like you can doanything, you can start right
now, and who cares what youthink you might look like while
doing it?
(36:42):
Because if it's something youcare about or you're interested
in, just do the thing, start theproject.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Take the leap.
The world is full of trolls andyou have to just dance to their
booze is what I always say.
Yeah, let it feel you.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You don't have to inherit the mentalities of the
trolls that come at you and tellyou you can't do something.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They're already there doing that.
You need to be somebody elseand allow yourself to be the
most authentic, most notcarefree, but the person that
believes in you more thananybody else in the world.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Believe in yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, I would like to go.
I need to go to bed now it is11 pm.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's actually fine, because I'm for some reason
actually losing my voice rightnow and I and I can't breathe
from allergies um and becauseshe's standing very close to me
and I probably smell weird yousmell fine I smell like rich
people.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I got too close to them you smell terrible I got
their burberry on me I hadburberry the perfume and it
smells great anywho see, shebelongs in aspen.
I belong in aspen.
See, I'm meant to be here.
Guys, thank you for taking onthis weird episode the bathroom
(38:12):
episode the bathroom episode.
We could title it that and youwill be very concerned for us
and you should be like I don'tknow what this is going to be
about guys listen real quick.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
We'll get back to our normal, our normal stuff soon.
We might have like one moreweird episode like this because
we still have a week on the road.
Yeah, but um, I'm hoping wemove into our place july 11.
Yeah, so hopefully around therethere'll be something normal
and we'll get back to our.
I'm hoping we move into ourplace July 11.
Yeah, so hopefully around therethere'll be something normal
and we'll get back to our normalschedule.
Until then, join us for thisstupid ride.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And we'll try not to skip any more weeks.
Yeah, also.
Lastly, We'll just give youweird updates like this yeah, I
don't have outro music, so Idon't want it to be an abrupt
ending.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Okay, so here we go.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Drop here's the drop.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Thank you for listening To learn more about
Clear.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Voyaging visit clearvoyagingcom.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And to support something about a 501c3.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Guys, we love you.
Thank you, bye, get out thereand you're not a fool?
No, or you are a fool, but thegood kind yeah I should have
said something better who cares?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
you get a fool reversed.
wayfeather media presents claire voyaging.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Wow we are coming to you from a bathroom in a hotel
in aspen, colorado.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah hi, hey hi, friends, how's it going this?
What a setup frank has createdfor us so that we could check in
real quick because, in case youdidn't notice, we have missed
two weeks of episodes and we'resorry just a little bit um wait,
we're just a little bit sorryno, we've just a little bit
(00:53):
missed two weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah um hi hey, hope everyone is doing great we
don't want to leave you highand dry like that doesn't feel
good.
That wasn't the plan.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But you know, the minute we started packing up the
studio, it was like oh okay,yeah, we're probably going to
have a few weeks off.
So also, if you're wonderingwhy we're whispering, it's
because we put our kids down forbed and they're in the other
(01:29):
room.
If you're watching this, thenyou'll see that we look
ridiculous because we are in thebathroom.
We're hiding out here to giveyou a little update.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So, Frank, Anyway, hold on real quick.
We've been road tripping right,so we've been.
When did we leave?
Okay, hold on real quick, We'vebeen road tripping.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, so we've been when did we leave?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Okay, hold on, let's back up from there.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We have moved out of our house.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But not moved into a new one.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
So we're currently temporarily staying with my
parents, except for we stayedwith them for a total of Four
nights.
Four nights I we stayed withthem for a total of four nights.
Four nights I think.
And then we hit the roadbecause lauren had a job thing
to do in aspen and we decided itwould be really fun and smart
to simultaneously get our houseready to sell while also just
(02:17):
jump on like a two-week two-weeklong road trip with our kids.
Did I mention we're Sagittarius.
This is rough.
I just happened to buy thislike pretty decent webcam before
we left and I brought theequipment just in case.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I wish you could do like a behind the scenes of what
this actually looks like,because it's pretty insane.
It's not good.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Anyway, the point is that, like I thought, oh yeah,
we'll make some content on theway and at the very least we'll
tell everybody.
If you know push comes to shove, We'll just like drop a quick
audio announcement.
Hey, you know what guys, wemight have to take a couple
weeks off.
You know we're on the road,We'll just drop a quick audio
announcement.
Hey, you know what guys, wemight have to take a couple
weeks off, we're on the road.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
We're moving.
We're not in our home.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And the second we hit the road to do this.
It was just, mind you, we havea three-year-old and a
seven-year-old.
It's just chaos.
So living someplace every night, maybe at the most staying
someplace for two nights yeah ata time is like it's a lot I'm
not doing great, but it's been alot of like.
(03:35):
I will say that doing all thisI haven't had a lot of time like
, actually like, think about thethings that I normally think
about in terms of like, oh,we're moving, and like oh, what
am.
I going to do when we move andall this stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah, it's probably kind of better in that way.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It's not.
Oh, okay, in addition to me notbeing super clear on what I'm
going to do once we move, interms of, like, you know how I'm
going to earn an income, oranything like that, if you guys
have been listening, I have beentold from multiple sources that
I shouldn't try and figure itout until I get there.
Um, some of those multiplesources include some of the
(04:14):
fantastic people we've had onthe show in addition to my tarot
deck which, every time I pulleda card, it said to continue
organizing and packing up thehouse literally there was one
night that we pulled tarot cardsand Frank was like, okay, how
can Lauren and I, what should wemanifest together?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
And it was I forget what the card was.
But Elliot Oracle is ourmessenger and he was like, get
your house in order.
This was like two weeks beforewe were going to move and I was
like, oh my God, like we're notsupposed to manifest anything
except for organizing our house,and Frank said okay, he got
(04:58):
kind of like pissed at hisspirit guides for a second
second and he said as usual yeah, he said wait, why?
how come everything that you'retelling me lately is to like
stay in the present.
Why can't I look towards thefuture?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
we pulled another card and it was about like
organizing your house anddecluttering yeah it's like more
of the same and it was likelike bitch, you better get your
shit in order and once againlike this maybe for some people
that would be a fine thing toget, but, um, I know we keep
(05:38):
talking about human designwithout without actually having
it to be anybody on to talkabout it, but but it's coming.
But in human design I am anwhat is it called?
It's a one four.
So I'm an investigatingopportunist, opportunist,
something like that.
So, like you know, for the pastyear and a half I've been
(06:00):
nonstop complaining about notbeing able to turn off my brain
and we've had people on who arelike oh, Frank, like you need to
stop thinking so much.
Turns out that's built in, right.
So, like for me and I've beencoming to terms with that I'm
like, okay, well, how do I, howdo I put my terrier of a puppy
brain on the right path, whereit stays busy and enables me to
(06:21):
do other things while not likeoverthinking, right?
So I'm like learning how towork with it, which has been
pretty great.
But in this case, where youknow there's so much going on
and so many like big life movesoccurring, it's been like, okay,
I need to actively not thinkabout this, but I don't have
anything as important to thinkabout to like kind of
(06:42):
temporarily distract.
So now that we're on this roadtrip and like we have sorry,
we're also out of breath becauseit's freaking aspen yeah, we
are not used to this altitude,more like yet as as aspirating,
aspirating ben no, no, no um,what the fuck was I saying?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I don't know, you have brain frog.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I have brain frog so do.
I.
There's not enough O2 up here.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I'm so tired.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
And like anyway, the whole point was like now we're
on the road and it's like, okay,now I have.
You know Lauren's still takingmeetings from the road, you know
she's working.
So it's like I got to find apark in Richfield, utah, to make
sure that the kids stayentertained for a little while
before we, like, hit the roadagain.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, and then like and an arcade at the Excalibur
in Las Vegas.
By the way, if you'reconsidering taking your kids to
Las Vegas, if you have a toddler, don't do it, don't do it, it's
hard, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
We have made it's hard.
We have made it's hard A seriesof poor choices.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was fine, but it's tough.
Was it fine, those games arefun.
Why can't I play on those?
Those are for the adults andthe children.
Games are in the dungeon.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, literally the fun, dungeon the fun dungeon
yeah.
Anyway, but yeah, walking past,like you know, ghostbusters,
casino games, oh god, is thatfor me?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
yeah, nah, buddy, it's not for you, I'm sorry, do
they got a python man game here?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
nope, nope anyway, man, we are non-stop side
missions here.
They're like the few momentsthat I had to like actually sit
down, let's say, let's say atthat park in richfield utah, I
like threw my back against awall and like I let the kids you
know, I was keeping an eye onthem and I was like, oh no,
(08:35):
what's after this?
Yeah, not just in terms of likeafter the park, but but like no
, no, I know, yeah, when we getto the final destination.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
What does Frankie boy do?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You know, what I love that you've kind of landed on,
though, or like not landed on,cause I don't know if you will
actually do this, but like thatyou're considering which I don't
think you would have everconsidered even two months ago
is being a reiki practitionerokay like what?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
imagine the turn of events that have had to lead to
this, where it's like, oh yeah,that does kind of make sense so
like having been on the roadlike and not having our normal
access to the like psychic, uhcon, the psychic and esoteric
conversations that we normallydo, and not being busy with
editing or anything like that.
(09:32):
Yeah, I've just been thinkingabout some of those older
lessons and thinking about stuffthat I've investigated on my
own time investigated on my owntime and one of the things that
kept popping up for me was a fewweeks ago I had pulled up I
think I mentioned on the showtoo I pulled up the uh idea of
(09:53):
like, uh, how, in tarot, youhave birth birth cards, yeah,
yeah, and I was like at first Iwas like, oh, that's really cool
.
So my birth cards were the.
Um, I think I don, birth cardswere the I don't know if it's
based on your month or if it'sbased on the day, whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I don't know, you like add things together.
I forget what we did.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But there's really only a couple of combinations
and you're given two.
Anyway, mine is the chariot andtower and, like, on a
foundational level, like thechariot and tower, uh,
combination is is foundational,it is that you are supposed to
be someone who is in a positionwho, like, helps things.
(10:33):
I, I, I tapped into um, my chatgpt, to help me interpret, so
I'm going to use some of thelanguage that, uh, that did
sorry, we do use chat gpt yeah,it's fine it's fine, we don't,
we're not it's my not.
It might not be we're not.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
We're not relying on it all the time.
This might not age well butwe're not becoming like mindless
robots no, it's a tool.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
It's a tool, it's a conversational tool and just
like I just need to put that outthere.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
And it's a thought sometimes.
Yeah, it's a thought partner.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, yeah and the thing that gpt says that, that
like I told it to act, act aslike a professional, esoteric,
like uh, what do you call it?
Consultant, basically, and um,it said that that combination
really is for um spell breakingin like societal sense.
The societal sense like pointout the things that don't work,
(11:22):
point out.
And so it's like that, thatlike elemental sense in me that
I'm always kind of.
I'm like why am I so angsty allthe time?
You know we're in Aspen, right,listen, we're in Aspen, okay.
And like you know, there's likesome little like things I could
take the kids around to dowhile Lauren's at work and I'm
(11:46):
walking around just going, likeyou, rich son of a, like
everyone, everyone here is likeyou, can you know when you can
just smell it, you're like, ah,you guys have a lot of money and
and frank's texting me I'm I'mat the aspen ideas festival,
which is, like you know, thoughtleaders and and all these
really powerful people likecreating change within the world
, and he's like there's a lot ofrich people in aspen and I was
like I know I know that shouldcome
(12:07):
at this festival where there's alot of rich white people yeah
so, like seeing, like the, thisis a place where you know
there's nothing wrong withhaving money of course, I've
said that before but this is aplace where people of privilege
come or like can't afford tocome and hang out um, we
shouldn't be here.
But, like you know, beingsuddenly like dropped into that
(12:32):
culture, it's like, ah, okay,yeah, you guys have benefited
from certain things that themajority of people don't, yeah,
and like so I can't help but bea little angsty about it.
It's not about the money, it'sabout the.
You know, I'm I'm over in thekids areas hanging out with the
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nannies and it's like what isthat?
What?
What world is that?
Even, yeah, it's really youknow it's really weird.
Yeah, really you know it'sreally weird.
Yeah, I'm, yeah, maybe it's notweird.
I don't know, maybe I'm justbeing super judgmental and I'm
sorry if that's how it comes off, but yeah, it is well it's just
not like what we're used to.
Also like it's a very affluentarea and that's we're not as
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used to that but like back tothe cards, like my whole whole
thing is supposed to be likeyour angst, my angst, your punk,
yeah, like seeing through thosethings and being like this
isn't working for everybody andI think things need to change.
And then you know, being herewhere, like, people might not be
, people might be like somewhatoblivious to that, or at least
seemingly, maybe they're greatchange makers.
(13:41):
They might be at yourconference, I don't know, but
great change makers, they mightbe at your conference, I don't
know.
But yeah, so the whole thingfor me is supposed to be like
that tower card, that beingthere for the change, and then
the chariot card of the drivingfor something new and something
better.
That's built into me.
And there's something to me, youknow, in the last few episodes
(14:01):
before that I kept talking about, like the concept of
sovereignty for me, be it likespiritual sovereignty or
sovereignty of I don't know, thepatriarchy and how I fit into
it.
That feels to me very elementaland very foundational and just
like a part of who I am at mycore.
Plus, like you know, I like tomake silly jokes, so I like to
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have fun with it.
But coming back to the Reikithing and how that all ties
together.
Before we went on the road trip, we had a quick little
rendezvous with Emily Bolsik, afriend of the show.
Friend of the show.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Emily.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And I had a moment to like actually consider for a
second the because she wasasking for a little bit of
advice from us.
I had a moment to like actuallyconsider for a second the the
because she was asking for alittle bit of advice from us.
I had a moment to actuallyconsider like hey, the things
that I've learned how to do, thevery small psychic advancements
that I've made in feelingsomeone out, like being in their
presence, and that I took amoment while Emily and Lauren
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were talking and I kind ofturned around secretly.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
As he turned he's.
He's currently turned around.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And I was thinking all right, hopefully nobody
notices, I'll just pretend likeI'm looking at the stars and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
But I found that he's looking at the hotel bathroom
ceiling right now.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I found that when I turn around, I can feel people's
energy more and I was able toproceed to like maybe give some.
I felt some things, I was ableto give some advice that I
normally wouldn't otherwise.
So that whole thing of likefeeling someone out again and
like being able to use thatinformation to assist in any
kind of way is very aligned withReiki.
(15:40):
Yeah, and then, in addition tothat, the way I've been using, I
accidentally came across aReiki strategy that I didn't
know was a Reiki.
Yeah, like take a deep breathand when she blows out to like
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expand her field, because I've Inoticed that anxiety feels like
a contraction and when youexpand your field on a, on a out
breath, things feel a littlebit better.
So it's a and a and reallyblowing out and feeling like a
bubble of air, safe airspacearound you, growing yeah it's a
(16:26):
broadcasting right and like I'vebeen doing it for myself as
well and I'm like that's reallycool.
I don't know what that is, butit came to me intuitively and I
went and looked it up and liketurns out that's a reiki thing.
Oh, okay fine, fine, I'll buyit.
But yeah, everything's pointingback to Reiki.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Nothing's more basic to me than like, and good basic
than like sitting down with aperson and feeling them out and
if you have their, their umwhat's the thing?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Permission.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
There's a, there's a word that's more applicable.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Approval.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Uh consent.
Consent, consent, and if youhave their consent, I am a white
presenting male who can'tremember the word consent, with
their consent, like you know,engaging in some conversation
with them about what you feltand like again, there's nothing
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more basic than that for me,like an elemental.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
What's so funny is that, like I've said several
times on this show or to whoeverabout Reiki, that like, oh,
it's been this thing of like Idon't know why I learned it.
I know why I learned it Ineeded this like deep healing,
and also I know I'm going to dosomething with it.
I know why I learned it Ineeded this like deep healing,
and also I know I'm going to dosomething with it.
But I also know that I'm notgoing to be a one-on-one Reiki
(17:48):
practitioner.
And it's just so funny likethinking about how it
potentially will be you and likejust me kind of exploring and
going like what is this?
And then giving you some Reikiplacements.
It's kind of like taking thisother path and for me I'm like I
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see myself in like a groupsetting where I'm like maybe
doing guided meditations thatare Reiki infused or something,
but like I'm like the one-on-onething.
I don't like that's for me, andyou're like no, I think that
actually might be for me.
I'm like the one-on-one thing.
I don't like that's for me andyou're like no, I think that
actually might be for me.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm a small groups guy and then, while talking
about this with Lauren, again, Idon't want to.
This is how many things have Iproposed during the course of
the show I've been like, oh, itmight be this, I might be doing
this, I might be doing this.
I made a book.
No one bought.
I also the place, messed it up.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Anyway, your poor journal.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
My stupid journal.
I still like it.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I like my journal.
By the way, if you want ajournal, send us an email.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Just say hey, I'd take one.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah say, I want journal.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You'll get a journal.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Give me journal Journal free yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Just ask.
Anyway, yeah, I'm a smallgroups guy, I'm a one-on-one guy
anyway, so like that makessense.
I think I just needed to getthere in my way.
Also, we remembered that what?
Two years ago now, our familytherapist that we had for a
while, dr Claire, as we call himon the show Dr Claire did once
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say that he had a feeling thatyou were going to get into Reiki
for my benefit somehow, and Iwas like at the time I was like,
oh cool, I'm going to get abunch of Reiki sessions from my
wife.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I was like, of course it's always about him, it
is Anyway.
I was like, so I'm doing thework so he can benefit.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I never thought that it would be potentially me doing
the actual Reiki sessions, soyeah, that's cool, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
So I think it's cool that, like, because you haven't
had a list of to-dos besides,keep the kids entertained, drive
to the next location, sleepbetter, breathe better, high
altitude I think it's kind ofgiven this idea a little bit
(20:10):
more space, so I think that'scool.
Also, like, what I've kind oftaken away from this road trip
is that, like, we're really inthis in-between space and I kind
of thought, you know we did, wemoved out of our home and I
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thought I would take it harder.
And I don't know if it'sbecause we're in this in-between
or what it is, or if I did someof the healing by talking about
it a lot, but I thought my rootchakra would be really upended,
(20:53):
really having a hard time, andI've felt like, okay, this is
just the next thing and I don'tknow there's something where I'm
like going to bed in adifferent place almost every
night.
Hashtag van life.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Hashtag van life.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Is.
There's something kind of likethere's a little unsettled
feeling to it, but it's alsokind of like well, what's this,
what's next?
I don't know.
And I think it's been a littlehelpful for me to not like sit
in the like, the belonging, thelike you know, like the root
(21:35):
chakra, like safety, security,belonging.
I am constantly in a state of.
I am constantly in a state ofno, I belong here too and I'm
safe and I am secure and thingsare taken care of until we
actually move.
So we don't have, I mean, if wewere like I want to go home,
(21:56):
our house is empty.
So it's not like we'd be goingback to the comfort of what we
know, it's like, oh, we haven'tmoved yet and our home is each
other Guys, I said it.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I said it, I have to mute to bar for a second.
Our home is each other.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But it is kind of true, like it's kind of um, it's
helping me like feel at peaceand just riding the wave, and
also because I have to like tellmy kids every night, like, put
your hand over your heart, tellyourself I am calm, I am safe,
I'm ready for bed, like I'mdoing that Also, I'm repeating
(22:45):
it and in any setting I'm going,I belong, I'm safe, I'm calm,
and yeah, it's been aninteresting adventure that I
wasn't.
I wasn't expecting that I'd belike okay, this is fine.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, yeah, that that that is a really good point.
Point, not that everyone couldgo on like on a road trip to
aspen whenever they want, but,um, yeah, I will say like, and I
I'm also not advocating forrunning away from your problems,
but there is an element to like, what do you want to call it?
Going with the flow, like yousaid you know, yeah, yeah, um or
(23:22):
riding the wave really that'swhat it is.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
What's next?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I mean, even though we're not having like a bunch of
interviews right now, I'm stillvery active on on witch talk
and by active I mean I'm lurking.
Everyone is saying that likeastrologically.
There's a lot going on rightnow and in fact when the day we
moved out, because we moved ourstuff into a storage unit
temporarily because we're notmoving in officially for until
the middle of July to our newplace.
But we were at the trainstation in San Diego and I saw a
(23:50):
young woman with some reallycool tattoos and I said those
are cool tattoos.
Did I ask that much to setsomething stupid Like what do
you do?
Or something?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
No, you, like you pointed out, you could tell that
there were like esotericsymbols yeah and then you said
we have a podcast.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
And she said, oh cool , I'm an astrologer right, yeah,
and, and even in that smallconversation she was saying like
there's a lot going on rightnow astrologically, and even
that aside, you just look at thenews, man yeah shit's going off
and I haven't had a lot ofbecause we've been on the road,
(24:31):
I haven't had a lot of time tolike, dig in and and pay
attention to it and then, if youmiss a couple days, it's the
truth is it's too much to catchup on.
Yeah, and it's, it's all bad,it's all fucking bad there's not
.
There's not a lot of good stuffin there yeah, but the thing is
is when you take a couple daysaway from it and you're riding
the the wave of your own lifeand and you're setting your
(24:55):
yourself and your immediatefamily and your loved ones as a
priority, and you, you, you takea break from that junk and you
come back to it, you're gonnalook at it and be like this is
almost comical, how dumb thingsare right now.
Not that it's not important.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
And that obviously comes from like a place of
privilege, because we are notpeople who are concerned about
our safety of being detained.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I mean there's people whose safety I'm concerned
about, though.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But I'm just talking about the news.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I know, yeah, yeah, I'm just acknowledging our
privilege we're very aware, aswe stand in our hotel room in
Aspen but paid for by my company.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I don't like it here.
Does that help?
I can't breathe anyway.
Yeah, you come back to the news.
You realize how stupid I can'tbreathe Anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, you come back to the news, you realize how
stupid it is.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
No, it's not that the news is stupid or unimportant.
It's that there's, especiallyright now.
The rate at which things arebeing dismantled in an unhelpful
way is like too much to keep upon, and if you were to keep up
on it like you would be consumedby it yeah.
Make no mistake, if you arekeeping up with the news on a
daily basis, you are not in agood place right now, and yeah
(26:08):
I'd highly recommend refocusingyour attention and you know, you
know the old phrase uh, be thechange you want to see in the
world.
like settling into that andreally focusing on like your
immediate surroundings couldhave the most positive impact.
But if you let that shit takeyou down like you're not helping
, yeah.
I'm not saying not to get outthere and protest.
(26:30):
Do that if you can and ifyou're able.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, protest, but there's, it is your voice.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The other way to protest is to just to be your
own light and the light forpeople around you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
And like holding on onto that and being that person
for everybody.
That's a huge deal, especiallytoday.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So yeah, it's true.
So, guys, I mean I was going topull a tarot card, but I feel
like we don't need to.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
No, pull a tarot card .
Pull a tarot card.
Pull a tarot card.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
You have to hold my microphone while I do it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I'm holding your mic, wait, hold on.
What's that again, lauren Do?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
we want to.
I feel like we want to collecta question for our collective I
feel like.
The Claire Voyaging Collective.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We're a collective.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Our listeners, you, sweet puppies, our sweet babies.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
That have stuck around two weeks Like I'm sorry
about that.
I really am sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I want to be better than that yeah.
Yeah, I want to be better thanthat.
Yeah, yeah, oh Well, hold on.
Well, they're all face down.
A couple dropped.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
There's too many.
Look at my deck.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Lauren picked up the neon.
Isn't that neat, neon neat.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
If you can't see it because you're just listening.
They're neon, it's theRider-Waite, but they're neon
colored.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Um, okay, hold on, let me, let me get some asmr on
the deck.
Oh, that's nice, that's so coolwhat's the question?
Um, just pull a card.
Pull a card for the collectiveright now what do we need to
hear, guys?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
yeah, what do we all?
What are we all needing?
The fool reversed he's a homie.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And this is the part of the show where we realize we
don't know anything about thedeck, even though we use it
almost every day, and laurentypes in the full reversed comma
elliot oracle anyone listeningthat they like knows tarot
really well, is like you idiot.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Here he goes.
Hi, I'm Dr Ellie Daddum withtoday's card of the day, which
is the Fool, reversed, nowupright.
The fool is an archetype fornew beginnings and just
basically feeling optimisticabout a fresh start and going
fearlessly into the future.
When he comes up reversed, heoften accompanies a sense of
feeling afraid of gettingsomething started because we're
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afraid we're going to lookfoolish, we're afraid we're
going to look stupid or not knoweverything, and this could be a
really crippling companion thatactually limits so many things
that you could be doing in yourlife, because you're just
self-conscious or you're afraidof how other people are going to
receive who you are or whatyou're doing.
When this card comes upreversed, it's saying to begin
(29:20):
anyways, even if you're afraidyou don't know everything, and
to get rid of that sense ofbeing an imposter, that imposter
syndrome that somehow, ifpeople find out you don't know
everything, they're going todiscover that you're a fraud.
This card is saying to beconfident and optimistic, to
read more or to schedule asession.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Okay, listen up.
We are in a period of time Holdon Handing the mic back to
Lauren.
We are in a period of time when, if that meant something to you
in terms of, like world eventsright now, keep in mind that
we're in a period of time whereall the people who would
normally say they know betterthan you have led us to this
moment.
They blew it.
(29:59):
You could not blow it harder.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
They are idiots, yeah but that could also be
something personal in someoneelse's like.
Yeah, but I'm talking aboutcurrent events right now.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, so and and then and I mean same thing with if
you're so concerned, if you'reconcerned about what someone in
your life might say about you,or you're worried about what you
might say about you becauseyou're not confident about where
you're going.
We are in a period of timeright now where it is the time
to take a risk to not know whereyou're going and do it anyway
(30:35):
it is the time to take a risk tonot know where you're going,
and do it anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I mean, I will say like for just for me.
What I got from that for myselfis that I'm here in this place
where I'm a little bituncomfortable.
I feel like a fish out of waterand I'm going to this like
Aspen Ideas Festival, which islike this kind of fancy like,
like I said, thought leaderschange makers.
I just heard the governor ofMaryland, wes Moore, speak today
(30:58):
and Steve Kerr, and I'm like Idon't know that.
What am I doing here?
I know I haven't been able totalk to you yet.
We went straight to the podcastin the hotel bathroom.
But I keep having this imposterfeeling of like well, these
guys are cool and everybody hassomething to say and I'm just a
(31:19):
dummy.
What am I doing here?
And it's a bad habit because weall bring something unique to a
situation and like let go ofthe.
Everybody has imposter syndrome, even I mean, I guarantee you,
even Steve Kerr, the governor ofMaryland, was like I just one
(31:40):
day said I think I want to begovernor of Maryland.
And he's like I had never hadany experience in politics and
just ran like an interestingcampaign and he won.
The guy's awesome.
And I was like was like, well,okay, if he doesn't know
anything about politics, likethat's so cool.
He probably felt like animposter at first and let's talk
(32:02):
about this card one more time.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
The fool, just real quick.
Why is this not focusing onwhatever you guys get it, the
fool.
I'm holding up the full card,I'm holding it up, right.
I have heard something recentlythat was so interesting to me
about the concept of the fooland the mayor of Maryland.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Governor.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Governor of Maryland.
Governor of Maryland.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I said Mayerland, the governor of Maryland.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
One more time.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I don't want to do it .
I'm gonna say it wrong again.
This dude waking up I have noidea what it looks like or
anything about his history, butthis dude waking up one day and
saying I think I want to be thegovernor, like that's cool.
Um, and the rest of us?
You might think for a second.
I think for a second.
What gives you the right?
(32:56):
What gives you the right tolike, wake up and just decide
that you're going to do that oneday?
Yeah, and how did that happen?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean it has like a really cool.
He did other things.
He worked on Wall Street, hedid a nonprofit, he did all
these other things, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But the point is like you're just going to wake up
and decide that one day, yeah,and then you're going to get it.
Yeah, you know the fool card.
What did I read about it?
I read about it how, like ingeneral, for whatever reason,
the universe favors the fool,the fool gets luck, and that's
what the fool card is about.
Look at this happy-go-luckynerd.
He's going to go out there andhe's going to become the
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governor of Maryland because hethought he could, and all this
stuff.
I'm saying like what gives himthe right?
Like that's my own inner voicetelling me that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
If I wanted to wake up in the morning to say that I
want to do that like I wouldn'tlet myself think that I'd say
that's ridiculous.
You haven't led a life thatwould lead to that.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Or you know, like you don't, but like you.
But it's funny because youcould carve a path at some point
, if you were like that's whatI'm going to do.
Like you, there's nothingstopping anybody from doing
anything, and that's what thiscard tells me.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
But even still, like carving a path, there's an
element of like, I don't know,not saying that hard work
wouldn't be involved inacquiring that job, but before
the work, the thing that strikesme as the most important and
something that keeps coming backlately from one of our first
episodes, is Sarah Reeves.
I have to go back and listen tothat episode.
(34:36):
But sarah reeves said, like youneed a belief system, and I've
thought about that and I I'm Ikeep wondering if I've misheard
that.
If it was, you need a beliefsystem or you need a belief
again like the way quantumthings are working.
These days, everyone isrealizing that our brains are
actually receivers more thananything and that we are, to a
(35:00):
certain degree, sculpting ourworld around us.
You have to believe that youcan do something and not like
we'll see how it goes, kind ofway.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
But, like in a, you kind of have to believe that you
can do something.
If there's something that youeven remotely like want to
achieve, you have to be a fool.
Allow yourself to be a fool.
If the worst version ofyourself is harsh and denying
you of something that you want,you have to let yourself be a
(35:31):
fool for a moment and say I cando it, anybody could do it, I
could do it.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
And I'm just going to add to that by.
I'm going to continue to talkabout Wes Moore for one second,
because he was super inspiring.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Is that the mayor of Governorland?
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Governor of Maryland.
He lost his dad when he wasfour years old.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I'm going to call him a nerd.
That's fine, keep going.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Very cool, anyway.
So he said, like when he hearspeople say I'm going to do that
thing in five years, I'm goingto do that thing in 10 years,
for him he's like I know, lifeis not promised to us.
And when I hear someone saylike I'm going to do that thing
in like probably like 10 years,I'll do that later, he goes like
(36:21):
oh, who'd you talk to that?
Like told you how much time youhad left.
And I think that's a greattakeaway to just remember that,
like that, like you can doanything, you can start right
now, and who cares what youthink you might look like while
doing it?
(36:42):
Because if it's something youcare about or you're interested
in, just do the thing, start theproject.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Take the leap.
The world is full of trolls andyou have to just dance to their
booze is what I always say.
Yeah, let it feel you.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
You don't have to inherit the mentalities of the
trolls that come at you and tellyou you can't do something.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
They're already there doing that.
You need to be somebody elseand allow yourself to be the
most authentic, most notcarefree, but the person that
believes in you more thananybody else in the world.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Believe in yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, I would like to go.
I need to go to bed now it is11 pm.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's actually fine, because I'm for some reason
actually losing my voice rightnow and I and I can't breathe
from allergies um and becauseshe's standing very close to me
and I probably smell weird yousmell fine I smell like rich
people.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I got too close to them you smell terrible I got
their burberry on me I hadburberry the perfume and it
smells great anywho see, shebelongs in aspen.
I belong in aspen.
See, I'm meant to be here.
Guys, thank you for taking onthis weird episode the bathroom
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episode the bathroom episode.
We could title it that and youwill be very concerned for us
and you should be like I don'tknow what this is going to be
about guys listen real quick.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
We'll get back to our normal, our normal stuff soon.
We might have like one moreweird episode like this because
we still have a week on the road.
Yeah, but um, I'm hoping wemove into our place july 11.
Yeah, so hopefully around therethere'll be something normal
and we'll get back to our.
I'm hoping we move into ourplace July 11.
Yeah, so hopefully around therethere'll be something normal
and we'll get back to our normalschedule.
Until then, join us for thisstupid ride.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And we'll try not to skip any more weeks.
Yeah, also.
Lastly, We'll just give youweird updates like this yeah, I
don't have outro music, so Idon't want it to be an abrupt
ending.
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Okay, so here we go.
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Drop here's the drop.
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Thank you for listening To learn more about
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Voyaging visit clearvoyagingcom.
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And to support something about a 501c3.
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Guys, we love you.
Thank you, bye, get out thereand you're not a fool?
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