July 31, 2025 • 63 mins
Certain fears or patterns in your life might have deeper roots than you realize. In this episode with hypnotherapist Simon Bown, we explore fascinating stories that challenge what we think we know about memory, healing, and the nature of reality.
Simon shares powerful experiences from his past life regression work with clients, where unexpected insights led to profound transformation. From long-standing conflicts suddenly dissolving to physical symptoms vanishing, the stories open up possibilities that feel both mysterious and deeply human.
We also touch on extraordinary accounts of near-death experiences and aliens. As always, we are exploring the idea that our existence may be far more expansive—and interconnected—than it seems, and Simon, a prolific paranormal podcast host himself, is a perfect guest to talk about this with. This is a conversation that invites curiosity, skepticism, and wonder all at once.
To learn more or to work with Simon:
Visit: https://www.pastliveshypnosis.co.uk/
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Lauren (00:01):
Hi Glitter Ghouls.
In today's episode we talk toSimon Bowne, a hypnotherapist,
author and double podcast host.
We talk about past life,regression, near-death
experiences, aliens and more.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:17):
And I'm the captain now.
Lauren (00:19):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition.
This is episode 80 of clairevoyaging.
Way feather media presentsclaire voyaging.
All right, what's going on?
(00:54):
Everybody, hey, everyone, how'sit?
How's it hanging?
Frank (00:56):
you caught frank right in the middle of one of his raps.
I did a real bad rap.
Lauren (00:57):
I'll post it to patreon we had a lot of promises about
your raps and turns out I amhorrible, so yeah you had one
half decent rap, improvised rap,and there's been, it's been
downhill from there.
Frank (01:14):
You know, what's funny is that it's the pressure.
You know you ask Lauren, allday long I'm walking around
singing songs.
Sometimes I've I drop a madflow and you know you hit record
and I am a trash can.
Lauren (01:28):
We improvise songs all day.
It's true.
We're so annoying people, it'sso annoying, so much that like,
oh, actually I was singing.
I made up a song last night forour kids.
I was trying to tell ourseven-year-old to use her own
bathroom in the middle of thenight and I was like I don't
(01:49):
even remember it now, but I wassaying it so many times that she
one was singing it with me butalso wanted me to stop.
So bad, it was like use yourown bathroom, use your own
bathroom.
And I was like get out of myroom.
And then I did a clap, it was awhole thing.
She was like please stop.
Frank (02:10):
Very nice.
I heard someone singing that atsome point.
Lauren (02:14):
Yeah, she was repeating it.
It was catchy, you wouldn'tthink so from what I was just
saying just now.
But anyway, not your best work.
Frank (02:21):
It's okay, but I digress.
I was just saying just now.
But anyway, not your best work,it's okay.
Lauren (02:24):
But I digress Friends.
Frank (02:27):
Uh videos back.
Hi, we are a temporary studio,but maybe not.
I don't really know what'shappening, but this works for
now.
Yeah, it's not as pretty as thelast one but have that
luxurious those colors the yeah,we had a nice colorful
background we don't have thecolors this time, but the star
(02:47):
is still here the stars, theheart, star and star, you know,
are here, so they're here tostay.
That makes it home.
So here we are.
Truly, uh, welcome back to it.
Yeah, and thank you for yourpatience.
Again, I know we had a coupleof weeks off there.
That wasn't part of the plan,but again, that's what happens
when you have two seriousSagittarius people running a
podcast.
(03:08):
You know, you know, especiallyone that doesn't plan well.
I want to do a public apology.
Um, once upon a time I wasmaking fun of other world
because they have like a wholelike crew and I was like, what
do all those people do?
This is just us.
We're out here kicking ass andtaking names.
And now I'm like, yeah, what doall those people do?
This is just us.
We're out here kicking ass andtaking names.
And now I'm like, yeah, theydon't miss weeks, it's.
(03:29):
I think I know what thosepeople do and I want to say
great job, other world team,you're, you're really doing a
great job.
Lauren (03:37):
Hang on a second.
I don't think you were actuallymaking fun.
I think you were saying this isa lot of work and it's hard to
do with two people.
Frank (03:44):
I there was.
I got like I may be just alittle cocky for a second.
Lauren (03:47):
Oh, did you?
Yeah, well, if it didn't comeacross that way.
Frank (03:51):
Uh, yeah, it was just Frank Frankie go.
Lauren (03:54):
It's fine, it was fine.
Frank (03:55):
I thought it.
I thought it.
Lauren (03:58):
Have.
Frank (04:00):
Thank you for coming to my confessional.
How much help you need in manyways, help is great, which is
why we're sponsored byBetterHelp.
No, no, no, hey, betterhelp, asponsor would be cool, we can be
.
That'd be great.
That sounds nice.
Lauren (04:15):
Hey, so let's get to today's episode, okay, instead
of making fun of ourselves andsinging songs about going to the
bathroom.
Frank (04:25):
This sounds good.
This is what the people want.
Lauren (04:28):
They love the banter.
How many people actually?
Frank (04:34):
Let's do a poll.
Lauren (04:35):
I'm going to do a poll on Spotify.
If you watch or listen onSpotify, I'm going to add a poll
that says do you want banter?
Frank (04:46):
Well, it shouldn't be.
Do you want, because you'regoing to get it anyway.
Do you like it?
Yeah, no, I don't even thinkthat the question should be how
many people just hit fastforward until they get to like
the song cue that tells themthat the actual interview has
started.
Lauren (04:57):
Oh yeah, or me saying like let her rip or whatever it
is Right yeah, if or whatever itis Right yeah.
Frank (05:01):
If I were you, I would not listen to this.
I'm just letting you know.
Lauren (05:04):
But Drew does.
Frank (05:05):
Thanks, Drew.
Lauren (05:06):
Sweet Drew.
Frank (05:09):
Friend, I'd say friend of the show, just friend.
Lauren (05:13):
Okay, so today's guest is Simon Bowne, and one of our
listeners, holly, wrote to usand said I think Simon would be
a great guest and I just want tosay thank you for reaching out
because you were right.
Frank (05:27):
He was a great guest.
Lauren (05:28):
Yeah.
Frank (05:29):
Very cool, amazing stories.
This guy is, uh, an author, apodcast host.
He has stories about NDEs, hehas stories about aliens, he's
got it all.
Lauren (05:41):
Yeah, and he does past life regression.
Yeah, he, he's got it all.
Frank (05:43):
Yeah, and he does past life regression.
Yeah, he's not.
He's not a self-proclaimedpsychic in any kind of way, but
he is so deep in that world andand believes it that, like it's,
he's got great stories.
I loved it.
Lauren (05:53):
It was a fun conversation it was a really
great conversation so with that,please enjoy simon bound and
twinkle, twinkle little puppieswhat's up with the twinkle
twinkles?
Did I say twinkle, twinkle,okay it stays, it stays.
Simon, thank you so much forjoining us.
(06:14):
On Claire Voyaging, we actuallyhad a listener recommend you
because her name's Holly and shelistens to your podcast and she
said I think he'd be a greatguest.
So thank you for coming on andwe like to do a little backstory
to understand how you got intothe work that you're doing.
(06:35):
So can you tell us a bit aboutyourself and what led you here?
Simon (06:40):
Yeah, well, the work I'm doing is I'm a clinical
hypnotherapist.
I take people through past liferegression.
I've got two podcasts, ourParanormal Afterlife and the
Alien UFO podcast, and my bookcame out recently which is
Verified Near-Death Experiences,and so I've had this
fascination with supernatural orparanormal stuff my whole life.
(07:03):
When I was 10 years old I'd goto the local public library and
get the books out.
I didn't have many, but itcould be anything.
It could be Bigfoot or ghostsor UFOs, and that was 1976.
That shows how old I am.
And over time I read more booksand over time more books came
(07:23):
out, because back then thereweren't so many.
I read more books and over timemore books came out, because
back then there weren't so many.
But now there's a lot of stuff.
And in the 1980s I would go tothe College of Psychic Studies
in London.
It was set up by the Societyfor Psychical Research, like 140
years ago, and they had afantastic library.
But I wasn't a student there,but the students were learning
(07:44):
mediumship and channeling andpast life regression, and so you
could go every couple of weeksand the students could practice
on you.
You just pay a little bit ofmoney.
So I used to do that as a kindof fascination of this
investigation, and so I wastaken through a past life
regression there and I talkedwith this woman who was a
channel and this Chinese voiceaccent came through and it was
(08:08):
saying this spirit.
They said they haven'tincarnated on earth for 3000
years and were Chinese.
They seem very wise.
And so then more books came outand I was reading books about
alien abduction on one side andafterlife stuff on the other,
near-death experiences andmediumship, and I was taking
(08:30):
through a number of past liferegressions over time and I
decided that's something Iwanted to do, because I was
working in IT and it was all todo with servers and networking
and it might be what you callsoulless and I wanted to do
something soulful.
So I got my diploma in clinicalhypnotherapy and I got certified
(08:51):
in past life regression therapyand I was listening to a lot of
podcasts about all this kind ofstuff and I was thinking maybe
I could do that because I'vebeen bass player since 1980 and
I've learned how to use all thisrecording software.
So recording a voice is a pieceof cake and it's just amazing.
I'd email people and say, wouldyou be a guest?
(09:12):
And they'd say yes, and I'vemaybe had 10 downloads in total
for my whole podcast.
But it just kind of slowly,slowly built up, because you
know they say it's a marathon,not a sprint with podcasts, and
so I've released over 800episodes now and my book is
(09:36):
doing okay.
And the thing about the bookit's all about these near-death
experiences where people will beout of body, they'll see
something and it may be thattheir body's hooked up to these
devices.
So they know the body, theheart was flatlined, the brain
was flatlined, and then theycome back and they're
(09:56):
resuscitated and they describewhat happened and the people
there could say but you wereclinically dead, there's no way
you could have seen that.
And so every near-deathexperience in my book has got
that kind of a verificationevent.
That's why I call it verifiednear-death experiences and
there's about 30 of them in mybook and so, yeah, I'm working
(10:16):
on my next book now, but that'ssort of more or less how I got
here.
Lauren (10:22):
Wow, that's awesome.
Frank (10:28):
I got here Wow, that's, that's awesome.
So you were like a fan ofgeneral psychism at any point,
did you?
Would you have consideredyourself a skeptic?
Simon (10:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's.
You know, you've got to keep anopen mind, but you can't just
accept anything.
You still have to have logicand reason and study what's
going on, and I like this phraseof keep an open mind, but not
so open that your brains fallout.
I feel I've got a big gray area.
(10:57):
There's little bits at one endhere where I might say, no, I
definitely don't believe that,and then a little bit over here
I definitely do believe that,and in between this big gray
area where most things fit.
Lauren (11:10):
Yeah, I feel like we're like that when it comes to that.
The alien stuff like thegalactic federation is a tough
one for me to like wrap my brainaround.
Frank (11:22):
Yeah, we talk about that a lot because we talk to so many
psychics.
It's always like, okay, well, Ihave like I can, I can verify
that they have tapped intosomething and told me
information that they shouldn'thave known, right, but with the
like alien stuff, sometimes I'mjust like, ah, this is tough,
like I want to believe.
I really I am Fox Mulder, Iwant to believe, but, like you
(11:42):
know, uh, it often has to comethrough you know, someone else
telling you something about it,unless you have like direct
experience yourself.
So, yeah, my question to youwas was, I guess, do you still
hold on to that?
Do you still hold on to thatskeptic mindset or are you?
Are you more in now?
Simon (12:01):
I'd say I'm a bit more in now yeah like a few years ago,
if you'd asked me about lifeafter death, I would have said
like 99% believe in it, but Ifeel 100% now, after all this
research I've done withnear-death experiences and
mediumship and past liferegression and children that
remember past lives, and there'sdeathbed visions and terminal
(12:23):
lucidity all these differentthings coming together for it.
But I'll tell you a story.
I was interviewing a womanwho'd written a book about
angels and to me that was veryreligious and you think, oh, I
don't know about that.
You know the white robes, thebig white feathers, the wings.
I stopped, I finished talkingto her and recording and she
(12:47):
said about how, if you see awhite feather, it's a sign that
there's an angel around.
So the next day I'm walkingdown the street and this feather
falls out of the sky right infront of me, this white feather.
And I thought, oh, it's just acoincidence, not taking any
notice of it.
And a few few weeks later, I wasinterviewing a medium for the
podcast and again we stopped therecording.
(13:08):
We were talking and I mentionedit to her and she said, oh yeah
, that's the sign angels around,if you see a feather showing up
in a weird way.
I was like okay.
So I finished the call with herand I went to wanted to see one
of my teenage daughters andshe's in her bedroom.
She's very tidy and there inthe middle of the floor of her
bedroom was a feather andthere's nothing else on the
(13:31):
floor because she's so tidy.
And I said to her where didthis come from?
And she looked at it and said Idon't know.
And then went back to her videogame.
I thought that's weird.
I was just talking to a mediumabout feathers showing up in a
weird way and a feather shows upin a weird way, and so I was
(13:52):
starting to think about it.
And then I went to see a mediumlocally and I was sitting
opposite her in her room andwe're both in these big
comfortable armchairs,completely clean carpet.
We didn't get up and goanywhere and she did the
mediumship thing and she wasreally good.
And then she finished that andshe was saying well, how did you
find me?
And I said well, I was talkingto a medium on my podcast.
(14:14):
She recommended you.
And then we were talking aboutfeathers and she said look at
the floor.
And I looked at the floor andthere was a white feather in
between us.
Frank (14:22):
Oh my gosh.
Simon (14:26):
And that had not been there the whole hour she'd been
doing her mediumship.
Neither of us had got up andgone anywhere, and it was like a
sudden stop to my brain.
I just could not compute.
Where did this come from?
Frank (14:37):
That's really funny.
Simon (14:39):
That's almost like there's.
These angels or spirit guidesare trying to communicate with
me and send me a feather, andthe first time I didn't get it,
second time I didn't really getit, and they must be slapping
their foreheads thinking whatare we going to do to get
through this guy?
So they teleported one in whenI was in that medium like push
(15:01):
it up from the floor.
Yeah, this is come out we'll getsimon with this one so that
that that was a thing where I Ireally it didn't sit right with
me, this angel thing.
But then after those threetimes it really makes you think
about it yeah yeah, I feel likeit's.
Lauren (15:21):
Yeah, sometimes it's like just testing to see how,
how, how long until you actuallybelieve and like open up your
understanding a little bit more.
Frank (15:33):
And Lauren's big on on signs.
You talk about signs a lot andwhen something comes up that
many times it's like, okay, Iget it, you gotta, you gotta get
, you gotta get beat over thehead sometimes with it.
Yeah, having spent so much timein this space, I want to ask
you this question have youpersonally been in a place where
you can develop your ownpsychic abilities, or have you
(15:56):
found yourself more intuitive inany kind of way?
Simon (16:00):
No, not really.
It's a thing.
I take people through past liferegression.
I did hundreds and hundreds ofsessions and sometimes they ask
me what did I pick up?
And I say sorry, I didn't pickup anything.
I did have a couple of times avision of a kind of a small
Greek amphitheater and as wewere starting the session these
(16:20):
people were coming in to sitdown and I almost felt like that
was spirit guides or council ofelders coming in to help out or
observe or something.
I have had psychic things cometo me, but the very few of them
and I got no control over it.
I was in.
I think it was 1998.
(16:41):
I was going to a friend'swedding in New Zealand.
I'd never been there before andtwo weeks before I was going to
go she said to me would I getsome horrible piece of tourist
rubbish as a wedding present?
So I went into the centre ofLondon, I bought her a tea towel
with the London Underground mapon it and I'm just walking out
(17:01):
down the street and suddenly Ihad this vision that I was with
her in her car in New Zealand.
And this lasted about 30seconds and so I heard part of
this conversation.
I saw the houses, what theylook like.
Street names and the houses arequite distinct in this part of
Christchurch because they haveearthquakes there.
So they built these woodenhouses and they're set up in a
(17:23):
certain way.
So they built these woodenhouses and they're set up in a
certain way.
So a couple of weeks later Iwas there and then it happened
exactly as I'd seen it those 30seconds, the whole conversation,
the street names were the same,the houses exactly the same as
I saw them.
Lauren (17:46):
So that was a psychic thing that happened to me.
That's amazing.
Does it make you want todevelop it or do you kind of
prefer being like I like to justask the questions?
Simon (17:55):
No, I suppose I would like to develop it, but I think
that's a lot of hard work and Idon't have the time and I try to
meditate and I'm really notvery good at that.
So I think, with this sort ofthing, you'd have to learn how
to still your mind in some wayand open it so you can receive
(18:15):
communication in some way,whether it's psychic or
mediumship, because you knowthey're two different things.
Frank (18:21):
And uh yeah, and also, I've reached an age now where
I'm looking for retirementrather than development I can
appreciate that, yeah yeah, butI also love that that you know
you have found your way intobeing a practitioner of a, of a,
(18:41):
of a study that is reallywell-seeded in the esoteric
traditions, right, even thoughyou claim to not have like
constant control over your,let's say, latent psychic
abilities.
So let me ask you this then canyou walk us through what one of
(19:01):
your sessions looks like whenyou're doing the, the past life
regression stuff?
Simon (19:07):
yeah, well, um, first of all, you know I'll talk to the
person about hypnosis and how itworks and how it feels, if they
haven't done it before, becausebeing hypnotized is just very,
very relaxed kind of state andyou're still aware of your
surroundings.
You'll feel like you could stopanytime you want.
You remember everything.
And there's a part of my pastlife regression session where we
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go into the life between lives,the kind of afterlife place
where we would hope to encountertheir spirit guide, and so
before we start, I say do youhave questions for your spirit
guides?
I say hope to encounter them,because they don't always show
up.
Most of the time they do.
I did a session once and thisis for therapy and a spirit
(19:52):
guide showed up and said I'm notgoing to talk to you, you're
here to work on this lesson andit wouldn't be good if I helped
you with it.
And then it just disappeared.
Lauren (20:02):
Whoa.
Simon (20:04):
We go into the hypnotic induction, which is all about
relaxation and visualization.
There's several stages to itand it's got this very hypnotic
language and I sort of cool myvoice down a little bit, so it's
almost like I'm a smooth jazzFM DJ.
Frank (20:20):
Oh, I like that.
Simon (20:45):
I like that therapy thing we could say take us to the
past life.
That is the origin point of thisissue.
You know what the issue is,yeah, and then I say that
there's this big, tall wall infront of you and there's a gate
in the middle of this wall and Isay, go over to the gate, and
on the other side of this gateis one of your past lives.
And I say, now, just open thegate and step through into that
past life.
So then I stop describinganything and it's all coming to
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the client in their mind's eyeand they can have emotions and
just gain knowledge about things.
And so I'll be asking them verybasic, open questions, can't do
any leading, can't suggestanything, after we start off,
just finding out who they are,where they are, and then we say,
okay, let's move it forward.
What happens next?
What are your emotions here?
(21:29):
And then we sort of could gohunting for something if it's
for therapy and trying to findout what might have happened in
that past life that has causedthe issue in this life.
And one of the ways you do itis, I might say I'll count you
down from five to zero.
When I get to zero, you'll moveto a significant event in that
life, an event that is the causeof your current life's issues.
(21:52):
You try and find these things,and then I've got techniques to
break the bond with the pastlife and release negative energy
, and we can also ask the spiritguide to give some healing.
But I've got a whole list ofquestions that I work from the
spirit guide as well, where Iwould ask them why did you show
us this past life?
What can we learn from it?
(22:14):
How is it related to yourcurrent life?
Is there anything negative wecan clear today?
You might ask what is yourpurpose?
Are you on the right path?
What did you agree to beforeyou were born?
How can we have a strongerconnection to you?
What advice would you giveright now?
And then you might ask is thereany karma coming through that
(22:37):
was negative?
You might ask how many pastlives have you had and who in
your life have you incarnatedwith before?
So that would bring me to theend of the session and we record
it all.
So I send the recording to theclient afterwards.
Well, that's how I would do apast life regression session.
Basically, okay, your voice isvery soothing.
(22:57):
That's how I would do a pastlife depression session.
Lauren (22:59):
Basically Okay, your voice is very soothing.
I was like, okay, I could seehow that would be.
Frank (23:04):
Oh, no, 100%.
Lauren (23:06):
I felt like I was slipping into some peaceful
state just now.
Frank (23:11):
Yeah, and you are very clearly good at what you do.
Lauren (23:14):
That's amazing yeah.
Frank (23:16):
And I love those questions.
I mean you cover the bases.
That sounds perfect, that'samazing.
Yeah, and like I love thosequestions, I mean those are you
cover the bases?
That's, that's sounds perfect,that's amazing.
Lauren (23:22):
I have a.
I have a question about that.
So are there, do you have anypatients who almost wrestle with
their own mind?
Because I ask this?
Because I've never beenhypnotized but I've, like our
family therapist, like a year ortwo ago, um said let me try a
(23:45):
past life regression, just like.
It was kind of like a quick,like 20 minute thing, and he did
that with me and I felt myselflike um and I felt myself like
Fighting yourself.
Fighting, but also likefiltering almost, or actually no
, just judging what I was saying, what I was seeing, and I was
(24:08):
like in my head I was like I'mmaking all of this up but I
wasn't, but I was doubting it somuch.
So do you have patients wholike how do you deal with that?
Someone who's a littleself-judgmental, I guess like me
?
Simon (24:27):
One of the things that I say is that it's all recorded.
So if you want to do ananalysis and be logical, you can
do that later when you listenback to it.
So you just go with the flow andjust let whatever comes to you
come to you.
I mean, when I was takingthrough past life regressions,
it does come up in yourimagination and you feel like
(24:49):
you're making it up.
Yeah, that's what we do withour imagination.
But then the lives that show upare so unexpected and
unpredictable, and it's a thingof engaging with the process and
following the hypnoticinduction.
And I often start calls andpeople say I'm really nervous, I
don't know if I can do it, or Idon't think I'm someone who can
(25:11):
be hypnotized, and then theyjust go straight into it.
And I also think that sometimespeople's idea of what hypnosis
is is different to what itactually is, which is just being
very, very relaxed.
And it's usually when peoplecome out of the hypnosis they're
rubbing their eyes and they'reoh man, I didn't know how
relaxed I was.
(25:31):
It's a very gradual thing, butpeople can get into it.
Frank (25:46):
That's great.
Yeah, I think the thing thatyou said, the thing that that
you said, uh, simon, about howit's it comes from the same
place as your imagination, thatthat's that was my kind of hang
up too with it, because I didhave a quick session too.
Um, actually mine was like anhour.
Lauren (25:57):
It wasn't that quick, but yeah, but it's a whole
episode with your talking aboutyour experience.
Frank (26:02):
I did but the entire time I was in that struggle of like
I'm, I'm making this up, youknow, because I'm, we're
creatives, right, so we write alot.
We like imagine scenarios whenwe're writing narratives and I'm
like what you know, this iscoming from the same place as
that, except for I'm letting itcome to me, as opposed to
forcing my own creativity on tosomething I don't know I was
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taken through a past liferegression and I saw myself as a
woman in 16th century venice.
Simon (26:34):
And after we came out of it, the hypnotherapy saidist
said to me would you make thatup?
I said you know, I'd want to bea Spitfire pilot in the Second
World War.
I wouldn't be a woman in Venice.
Frank (26:45):
Right that is true, that's a great point, but
actually, while you're a womanin Venice, could you bring me
back some wine from there?
I bet you that's a real goodevent wine from there.
Lauren (27:02):
I bet you that's a real good event.
Have you had people or patientswho have looked into like they
had some real details or reallyspecific events from their past
life regression and then foundthat information after the fact
Like, oh, I validated this, likepast life this was me or
whatever?
A?
Simon (27:21):
couple of people have done that.
I think a lot of people don'tbother or we just don't get
enough detail yeah somebody didsend me a picture of a portrait,
an oil painting, and said thisthis is me, I found the life,
this is the person, what this iswhat they look like, so I put
that on my website.
Lauren (27:40):
That's so cool.
I love that that's, that'samazing.
I'm going to switch gears toyour book.
When you wrote this book wereyou.
How are you finding the peopleto tell the stories about?
Simon (27:58):
well it.
It's over time.
Yeah, I've talked to lots ofpeople who've had near death
experiences, a lot of them.
You know, it's like I could saymy UFO podcasts maybe 250
episodes.
So it'd be 550 of the afterlifepodcast and it's each episode
is an hour long interview, butthen I do another 10 minute one
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after that.
Most of the people on mypodcast are authors, so I
interview them and thenafterwards, when I get
permission, I read a 10 minuteextract from their book and
those episodes can get just asmany downloads as the interview.
Frank (28:37):
That's a good idea, that's cool, that's great.
Simon (28:39):
So I came across so many people that had these
verification events and I findthis particularly interesting
because it's some kind ofevidence, there's something you
can talk to witnesses about, andso I was thinking I'm going to
write maybe three books, and sothat's what I chose the first
one to be.
So each chapter is featuringone person describes their whole
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near-death experience, how theygot into it, what happens with
their out-of-body, their wholespiritual side of it with the
spirit guides and life review,and how they came back.
And then at the end of thechapter, I go through what I
call the verification events andshow for every chapter you know
how strong the verification ison each of these people.
Lauren (29:26):
Whoa, that's great.
Frank (29:28):
That is really cool.
Lauren (29:29):
Say the name of your book again.
Simon (29:32):
Verified Near-Death Experiences.
Frank (29:34):
So you seem very academic in this and I love that,
because I have a tendency tolike be very investigative.
Investigative Is that good?
Lauren (29:43):
Yeah, sure, yeah.
Frank (29:46):
As well.
And you know, over the courseof our podcast, which is nowhere
near as prolific as yours,you're knocking out episodes.
That's amazing.
But over the course of ourpodcast I tend to, you know,
make a Venn diagram in my mindof, like, everyone's experiences
and try to actually pull outthe structure of, like, how
things might work in theafterlife and stuff like that.
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Or, you know, how do angelsoperate?
That kind of stuff in your NDEinterviews, like, have you kind
of sussed out a, a, a structurethat you think the way like of
things, how they kind of work onthe other side very, very
basically because they they havesuch detailed experiences but
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they can be so different fromeach other.
Simon (30:32):
Like, some people will have the death and then they'll
have the out-of-body experienceand they'll see their body,
what's going on around there,and then they move into the
afterlife.
Other people are just instantlyin the afterlife.
There's no out-of-body view andthis idea of the tunnel of
light is very, I would say veryrare, but I think it's maybe 15
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percent of people have thatexperience in it and, like, some
people describe where they goto as a very kind of I what I
call an idyllic england, withthese wonderful green fields and
the flowers and the trees andthe stream going through and all
that kind of thing.
And there was a place that thesociety for psychical research.
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I think they named itSummerland, like a hundred years
ago, which pretty muchdescribes that.
And that's why I think of it asan idyllic England, because
that Society for PsychicalResearch were in London and all
the people they talked to werepretty much British and when
they died their heaven would belike that because that's where
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they grew up.
But somebody else say if theygrew up in Saudi Arabia, their
heaven might be a completelydifferent idea, so they'd go to
their heaven and not to thisplace full of green fields.
So it's like the near-deathexperiences are tailored for the
individual and there's somepeople who don't go to that kind
of space, those green fields.
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They go to just a space oflight or a space of darkness and
they, they meet a spirit guideand they're taken on a tour and
they go all over the universe.
Sometimes that's what they saythey may have their body is
clinically dead for 12 secondsand they say their near-death
experience lasted three yearsand so it's very tough to work
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out what's going on.
But people die and they do gosomewhere else and they come
back with verifications of thesethings.
There's people in the book whogo to kind of taken on a tour
and they'll go somewhere that'snot very nice and a guide will
be showing them this is theplace that's not very nice and
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then they'll go somewhere elsethat's maybe a bit better.
But what they also see is thatthe spirits who are more
enlightened are coming down tothese darker spaces and helping
spirits out of there and raisingthem up to the light, so to
speak.
But there's also this thing ofreligion where some you might
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get an atheist who says theymeet Jesus and then you get a
Christian who doesn't meet Jesusor will meet one of the Hindu
gods, like Shiva or Buddha orsomething.
So it gets confusing.
And it is that thing where Ithink it's tailored exactly to
the individual and it's almostas though the space they go to
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isn't the afterlife, it's aholding space or what you might
call the theater of thenear-death experience, to give
the person exactly what theyneed.
Because I think you might have100 people who have a cardiac
arrest and resuscitated, only10% of them will have a
near-death experience.
The rest will say nothinghappened.
That's a wonder if they didn'thave it, because they didn't
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need it from a spiritual pointof view.
Frank (33:50):
That's so interesting.
Simon (33:50):
Maybe everybody does, but only some are allowed to
remember it because sometimesthe spirits say that to the
person.
It because sometimes thespirits say that to the person.
You know there was a woman whowas shown her whole life and
everything that was laid out infront of her that was to come.
And she said I could read itall, I knew it was happening.
And then they said we're notgoing to let you remember this,
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just letting you see it now.
But they said to her you cantake something out.
And she, she saw chronicillness was written on it and
she took the chronic illness outthat was going to happen after
these injuries that caused hernear-death experience.
And there's miraculous healingsthat show up as well.
It's quite remarkable.
(34:32):
So knowing what the afterlifeis like seems to be different
for everybody, but I do believeit's there.
Lauren (34:43):
I love the term the theater of a past life
experience, because I feel likethat.
I mean, we've interviewed a fewpeople who have had past life
or, sorry, near-deathexperiences and they all seem
different and I'm like, well,wait a minute, what actually
happens?
But I love I think you put itso well that that makes sense to
(35:06):
me, like it's tailored to eachperson, like we had who was it?
Someone had they envisionedlike a crystal palace.
Frank (35:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, who was that?
I don't remember.
Lauren (35:21):
Yeah.
Frank (35:22):
Would you say that everyone does come back changed,
or or are there some people whoare like, oh, whatever, that
was a crazy dream, like theydon't care that much?
Simon (35:32):
I'd say everybody comes back changed.
The change comes after a whileand other people it's
instantaneous.
I think sometimes it depends onyour upbringing if you're very
strongly religious or you'revery atheist.
There's a guy in my book whowas a drug addict and his
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near-death experience happenedwhen he was very, very drunk.
He got in his car at 2 am.
He was full of heroin.
While he was driving he hadmushrooms in a bag next to him
and he said he was eating themlike we call them crisps.
You know, like it was justchomping on them as he was
driving oh, my god mansomebody's house at 70 miles an
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hour and he said he was an awfulperson.
And this is when, I think, he's19 years old.
This, this happened and afterhe came out of the near-death
experience, it took him a whileto really realize what had
happened and what it was allabout.
And he's a completely changedperson now.
That's a guy called malcolmnair, I think it is.
(36:38):
He's, uh, he's like a lifecoach now and a spiritual mentor
for people.
Frank (36:43):
Wow.
Simon (36:43):
Wow.
Frank (36:44):
That's amazing.
But good God, gnarly crazy,that's crazy.
That guy knows how to party.
Lauren (36:55):
No, he doesn't.
Yeah, I guess that's true.
Frank (37:06):
Wow, that's wild.
Um, okay, let's.
Oh, I do have a question foryou regarding sorry now we're
kind of jumping back and forthbetween ndd, ndes and past life
stuff, but I guess it's somewhatrelated.
Um, so I've heard some peopledescribe like past lives, right,
as something that happenedbefore, but, um, I don't know,
I've heard other people say thatit's actually a concurrent life
because time doesn't reallyexist on the other side, right,
(37:28):
like do you, do you have anopinion on on that?
Simon (37:30):
yeah, I say that that's both correct.
It's, it's a thing for us.
It's linear, isn't it?
It's one after the other.
Yeah, in the afterlife, people,near-death experiences, and
others will say you know, itdoesn't seem like there is any
time.
Near-death experiences say thatthey can be in several places
at once and be completelyengaged in every place, and it's
(37:52):
not at all overwhelming.
And so I feel it's.
It's kind of like an image Ihave of a tree where the trunk
is the soul and every leaf is adifferent life.
So as the tree is experiencingall the leaves at the same time,
the soul experiences all thelives at the same time, because
that afterlife space, there's notime there.
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So it's a thing where your soulwill put a part of itself in
each life.
So it's kind of like me, simonwhen I die, I don't reincarnate,
but my soul is putting anotherspark of itself in another life.
Lauren (38:33):
I feel like you should write a book.
That was beautiful.
Frank (38:38):
Okay, so I have another, and maybe I'm getting too into
the details here.
I'm always asking about thestructure of stuff, but he's a
structure guy.
Yeah, and it's unfortunate, theI often wonder, you know, if we
are able to, you know, go intohypnosis and then experience one
of our past lives, like, do wehave access to the entire film
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reel, from start to finish, ordo we only get a glimpse into,
as if there's like two movieshappening at the same time and
you pop your head into anothertheater?
You know what I mean.
Like in one of my regressions Iwas able to kind of experience
a death that I'd had, but thenin one of my other ones I tried
to get to the.
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I walked towards the death partof another life, but it just
felt like it was on pause, likeit was still happening.
I was told that I might havedied, but I didn't have access
to the sensations of death.
It felt like it was somethingthat was actually occurring.
I don't know if you have atheory on that.
Simon (39:43):
I think the spirit guides .
If it is them that choose whichpast life you see, they decide
what you see and they'll showyou what is good for you.
And if they don't show you yourdeath, it might be because they
just don't think it's important.
Or it may be that you don't seesome people.
I I've sessions quite a lot.
(40:03):
People may be in this spacewith their past life family and
they're getting this great viewof their children, but it may be
the husband's, the, the lady'ssaying I just can't get a good
image of him.
I can't see his face or whathe's wearing, but he's there and
I think think, yeah, the spiritguides, he's not important.
That's not what this is about.
It's about the children, and soit's like you won't see the
(40:28):
death there because they don'tfeel you need to see it.
Frank (40:31):
That makes sense.
Lauren (40:33):
Yeah, that makes sense, you got what you needed out of
that reading.
Frank (40:41):
Yeah, you needed out of that reading and it was very
specific things, right.
So in that, yeah, and thatmakes sense for me too and for
that one that I experienced,because in that one I was on
something of like a quest and Iwas very ill prepared and I
didn't have what I needed and,um, I tend to like I don't want
to call myself a doomsdayprepper, but I have some stuff
just in case.
Put it that way I have asometimes unreasonable need to
(41:05):
make sure I have everything tolike encounter an emergency, and
some people just call thatanxiety, but it's deeper than
that for me.
Lauren (41:15):
You like to be prepared?
Frank (41:17):
I like to be prepared.
Lauren (41:18):
Very prepared.
Frank (41:21):
Oh my gosh.
So I wonder, like in in,according to, like your theory,
like maybe I'm tapping into that, or or the guides are like oh,
maybe it is a good idea to havesome stuff that you need, or you
know, there's something therethat I could like think about a
little bit and really like dwellon and see what the lesson is
in that.
Simon (41:39):
I had a client who always had to have food in the house.
They didn't eat it, they didn'thave like a weight problem, but
it was this thing of thishorror of not having enough food
.
And we saw a past life wherethey had seven children
Victorian era and the husbandleft.
They had no money.
Two of the children died ofmalnourishment and she was very
(42:03):
skinny.
And in this life there's thisfeeling she's always got to make
sure there's enough food foreverybody and it, when we said,
take us to the origin point ofthat feeling.
That's the life they took us to, that's what they showed her.
Lauren (42:19):
That is so fascinating to me.
Frank (42:23):
I think you need to do like a full.
Lauren (42:24):
I know, I know I was going to say it.
Frank (42:27):
It would be so cool to see what your things are.
Yeah, all right, you should dothat.
Lauren (42:31):
Yeah, because there's certain things where you're like
well, I know where some of mywhatever fear or trauma or just
recurring pattern comes from.
But then sometimes I'm like Idon't know why I do that or I
don't know why I'm scared ofthat thing, you know.
Frank (42:50):
Yeah.
Lauren (42:51):
That's so interesting.
Frank (42:52):
I'd love you know what we need to do.
We, and maybe we should tapinto Simon here, uh, like at a
later date.
And maybe we should tap intoSimon here at a later date, I
would love to know what yourissue with time is.
I think that's ADHD, I don'tknow.
Lauren is clinically late.
She doesn't wear a watch.
She doesn't want to wear awatch.
(43:13):
She doesn't want to acknowledgethe fact that time is a thing
and there's got to be somethingto it.
Wait, correction, I want wantto.
I just am very I'm not skilledat it.
I think there's somethinggenetic, not not like from your
genes.
I think you had some geneticprogramming from past lives or
something something's going onmaybe that's my sense of it
(43:34):
simon, do you do Zoomappointments?
Simon (43:38):
Yeah, we're all on Zoom now.
Most of my clients are in theUS, oh cool.
Frank (43:47):
That's actually a funny question.
Why are most of your clients inthe US?
Is it just a cultural thing?
Is it more?
Simon (43:53):
acceptable, I suppose.
So I don't know, but I do findwith my downloads on the
podcasts it's about 80-85% USwhere the downloads are, and
then the next one is Australiaand New Zealand, and then after
that it's the UK.
Lauren (44:10):
Interesting.
Frank (44:12):
That is really interesting.
Have there been any?
Have you had any clients thatlike?
Obviously people walk awaychanged.
They find what they experiencedprofound.
Is there anything that you haveheard from a client that you
were like that is the mostprofound thing, that like has
changed you deeply?
Simon (44:29):
Yeah, there's a couple of things I could think of.
There was a woman who I thinkit was like 27 years she's had
this argument with her motherand it's always been bad and we
did the past life regression andshe emailed me later and said I
went to my mum's for Sundaylunch and it's the first time in
27 years I've stepped throughthe door and not felt angry
(44:52):
straight away.
Lauren (44:54):
Wow.
Simon (44:54):
And there was another lady who had lots of eczema on
her leg, below her knee.
She didn't even tell me aboutthis.
This just shows what the spiritguides do.
But we went to a past lifewhere she was a hunter in a
forest and she stepped in a beartrap.
You know, those big metal clawscame up and grabbed her leg and
it's exactly the same spot asthe eczema in this life.
(45:17):
What she emailed me later andsaid the eczema's completely
cleared up what she was in her50s and she tried all her life
to get rid of it.
Nothing would work with doctorsand lotions and potions, but it
seemed this past liferegression just cleared it up.
Lauren (45:34):
Whoa.
Frank (45:34):
Oh man, I love this idea of a physical manifestation,
manifestation of like a pastlife trauma.
Lauren (45:41):
Yeah.
Frank (45:41):
That is so so interesting .
I'm going to have to thinkabout this what's wrong with my
tummy?
What's wrong with Frank's tummy?
Oh, my gosh, that's so cool.
Oh, I don't know if I've heardof that.
I love that.
Lauren (45:58):
What is your next book?
Simon (46:01):
Oh, the next't know.
I don't know if I've heard ofthat.
I love that.
What?
What is your next book?
Oh, the next one is, uh, alienabduction.
Ooh, I've talked to a lot ofpeople on my UFO podcast.
You've had these experiencesand a lot of, I think, ufo
podcasts talk about the wholedisclosure thing and the
government and what they'rehiding.
I don't really cover that.
I've got about 50 interviewsand I've got the transcripts now
(46:27):
and I'm going through themthese people describing their
whole experiences.
So that's what I'm studying forthe book and I'll also have
quotes from them in my book.
And it's like the Near-DeathExperience book is that?
Everybody in there, almosteverybody in that one.
I have talked to myself andthey have verified the events.
(46:49):
When I finished their chapter,I sent it to them and they read
it through and confirmed if itwas accurate or a little changes
need to be made.
So it's not that I watched aYouTube video and then wrote
about it.
I did all this research withthe person and talk to them.
So I talked to everybody forthis alien abduction book wow,
(47:09):
that's so cool what?
Frank (47:11):
what are your like big like with?
You know no spoilers, but whatare your big like?
Lauren (47:17):
takeaways like your key findings from your interview so
far about that yeah, again, isthere like a recurring theme or
like a, like you said, like thevenn diagram, where?
Simon (47:27):
stories kind of meet up in some way yeah, there's lots
of stuff, typical weird thingslike people when their children
waking up outside the house intheir pajamas and they're locked
out and it's three o'clock inthe morning and they just find
themselves just there suddenly,not that they're asleep on the
grass and they wake up.
And there's some people whowake up in the morning and their
(47:50):
pajamas, their night clothes,are on backwards or inside out,
or they're not their clothes atall, and these are sort of hints
and things.
And then there's missing timethat shows up for lots of people
which and they kind of describeit as though somebody's taken a
film and cut a segment out andthen join the film back up
together.
So it's an instant change.
(48:11):
There was a guy I talked to hadthis, uh, has this harley
davidson and he's so proud of itand he loves it and he only
rides it on really nice, smoothtarmac because he doesn't want
any little stones spitting upand hitting the chrome and the
paintwork and things.
So he was out for a ride and hewas doing about 70 on this road
(48:32):
and an instant later he's doing30 on a gravel path.
He said there was no weirdness,no blackness or anything, and
it was two hours later and hejust didn't know what was going
on and he would never take hisbike on a gravel path like that.
Just didn't know what was goingon and he would never take his
bike on a gravel path like that.
So that that's a typicalmissing time thing that lots of
people describe.
(48:54):
And then there's the thing ofbeing picked up you know the
actual abduction and beingfloated through the wall or
through the window like itdoesn't exist.
And there's suggestions therethat people are not physically
taken but their consciousness istaken.
But then there are other thingswhere people are physically
taken because there's marks ontheir body and their family
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members see things or theirfriends see things.
I've talked to a woman whoended up getting divorced
because the husband was sofreaked out by what he was
seeing in the house.
So there are lots ofcommonalities and that's
basically what my book is about.
It's it's different aspects andthen I'll be studying this like
the missing time aspect andI'll have lots of quotes in
(49:36):
there from people describing themissing time event that
happened to them.
Wow, it's.
It's also gets very strange.
They call it high strangenessyeah for me.
The weirder it is, the moreinterested I am yeah, yeah
definitely hold on.
Frank (49:52):
Let me see what's going on with our light.
It's flickering for some.
It started flickering when westarted talking about aliens oh
my god it's either a technicalissue or a not so technical
issue.
Would you mind grabbing yourcharger?
It's plugged in yeah, I thinkit was just your laptop kind of
going out?
no, I think it's the aliens it'sthe aliens, okay, so I do have
a question, a follow-up question, on that, because when we've
(50:13):
talked to people, because we aretalking to people in the
context of, like psychism andall that, um, we're always
talking about, uh, aliens interms of galactic or um other
dimensional beings, right, andwe've never discussed an
abduction of any kind.
Do you?
(50:33):
How do you?
How do you quantify this?
Are we like, are these twodifferent creatures?
Do we have like the things fromother planets that are
abducting people?
And then there are also thelike spiritual aliens, or what
do you think?
Simon (50:50):
it seems to be something like that yeah and it's like
human, the human race.
There's going to be differentviewpoints and different agendas
and things.
Different people describedifferent alien beings, but it's
.
It gets very weird.
There's one guy I talked to whosaid the alien said to him this
is one of the greys.
They said this is not what welook like where we come from.
(51:13):
We're not physical.
What you see of us is what youimprint upon us with your
consciousness.
Frank (51:20):
Oh.
Simon (51:21):
So that's part of the high strangeness that I really
like to find, yeah.
Lauren (51:27):
Can you define the greys just for anyone?
Frank (51:30):
that's the classic.
Simon (51:31):
Like a gray alien I know, but I mean, it took a while for
me to even know what that wasoh because there's the short,
three and a half four feet tall,with the big head and the big
black eyes, and then there'staller ones than that, and then
there's the ones they call thetall whites, which look pretty
much the same but they're six orseven feet tall, and it appears
(51:56):
that the short ones are maybegenetically engineered and that
they're they're made to performcertain tasks and they're not so
clever, and it's the tall onesthat the actual aliens that may
have evolved somewhere.
But there's another thing oflooking at it is why are they so
much like us?
Why they got a head and twoarms and two legs?
(52:16):
How is it?
They're perfectly fine in ouratmospheric pressure.
And why is it?
None of our viruses orbacterias cause them to be ill?
How are they just fine in ourgravity?
So it may be that they weregenetically engineered to be on
earth to do what they need to doon earth.
They're more kind of biologicalrobots.
Frank (52:40):
That's such an interesting.
That's such an interesting take.
Yeah, I've heard that.
I've heard like time travelersor like they're coming back in
time and like abducting peopleto like fix their dna or
something there's like been.
I've heard so many differentthings about what they might be.
Do you have a take on any ofthat, or are you just like in in
, collect data mode and observe?
Simon (53:01):
yeah, I mean I've been reading books since the 80s
about alien abduction and I'veseen ufos close up myself a
couple of times.
Frank (53:08):
You've experienced a UFO.
Simon (53:11):
Yeah, I did a gig west of London in this town, and this
would have been about 93.
And we packed up all the gearin the cars.
It was 1 am Monday morning.
I'm heading on the M40 and backinto London and I remember
noticing there were no othercars around on the motorway,
(53:32):
which was a little odd.
But up ahead of me on the leftwas a really bright light and
this empty field and we drive onthe left and I knew that
stretch of motorway really welland I was thinking there's
nothing in that field, there'sno houses.
How come there's such a brightlight?
I thought maybe they're doingemergency electric system
(53:55):
repairs or something, and so Islowed down and I checked my
mirrors again there's no othercars and I got my speed down
maybe five miles an hour andjust as I got to where that
light was, it came into view asthis UFO.
This craft was about 25 feetoff the ground and 200 feet from
me and it was completely silent.
(54:17):
It didn't move an inch thewhole time and it had many, many
little red lights across onehalf of the bottom and the other
end.
There was a really brightspotlight pointed at the ground
and the craft was shaped like arugby ball and the spotlight was
so bright and it's only later Iwas thinking.
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You know this kind of uh,comical image of abduction.
Frank (54:41):
They show the light coming out, the craft and the
person going up in it I wasgonna going to say, yeah, you
didn't see like a cow going upor anything, did you?
No, that classic image.
Simon (54:55):
So I went past it really slowly, staring at it and then
leaning forward over thesteering wheel looking up at it.
So I got a good look at that.
And then I just increased myspeed and went home and I
checked my clock as well,because I knew about missing
time and I was thinking did Iget home an hour later than I
should?
Yeah, there was no missing timethere.
Lauren (55:13):
Oh my gosh.
Frank (55:16):
What was your emotional?
Were you just like that's cool,or were you scared?
What were?
Simon (55:22):
you feeling it was more of that thing of just saying oh,
that's interesting.
Which is weird, and this issomething I come across with uh,
ufo people having theseexperiences is sometimes it's
almost like their brains areswitched off, like the ets are
telepathically controlling themin a way.
I talked to a lady um, this isbefore people had phones but she
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had a really nice camera in thebackseat of her car and she
stopped and she was looking atthis UFO and she started leaning
back to get the camera and thenshe just stopped and didn't
take a picture and she felt thatwas so weird and so unlike her
because she's so intophotography.
It was like something externalswitched that idea off and that
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sort of thing shows up now andthen huh whoa that's wild.
Frank (56:13):
It's so wild that you saw one of these things.
That's that's amazing.
Yeah, you said that was one ofyour experiences.
Simon (56:19):
You've had multiple well, another time I saw a ball, an
orange ball of light about thesize of a car, and that was
stationary and just 25 feet offthe ground.
And again I was driving, againI was gigging, and this time,
though, it was going across thisarea called the New Forest,
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which is a national forest andit's protected, so you can't
build there or do anything.
So to set up a 25-foot tallthing and put an orange ball of
light the size of a car on topof it seems like a pretty odd
thing to do, and I couldn't stopbecause the roads were so busy
and there's no area to pull overto the side.
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So I just had to drive and lookat it and then look at the front
and then look over again, andit didn't move at all the whole
time I was driving.
Frank (57:10):
And I'm assuming like a lot of people saw that because
you're on the road I don't knowI don't know there is weird
stuff with that as well.
Simon (57:19):
This is part of the high strangeness.
You can have three people.
Two of them will see a ufo andthe third won't see it oh my
gosh I talked to a woman who sawthis UFO.
She was having ET contactexperiences.
This UFO came over the houseabout the size of a football
field and it was completelysilent and it was black and she
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said if she'd had a baseball shecould have thrown it and hit
the bottom of this UFO.
Oh my gosh, she was in thegarden looking at it.
Her daughter was in her bedroomlooking up at it her adult
daughter and what her daughterdescribed was different to what
her mother saw, completelydifferent craft huh so that
that's.
Frank (57:58):
That's another weirdness thing that shows up, something
to do with consciousness andperception and screen memories,
which is another thing that'sfascinating consciousness is so
weird maybe this is like yournext next book, but have you had
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anybody who's like had a pastlife experience and like
reported, I don't know, havingan interaction with a ufo or an
alien of any kind?
Simon (58:30):
yeah, I've had a small number of people go to past
lives on other planets oh mygosh, I interviewed somebody
this week who remembers a pastlife on another planet where
they were dying and their planetwas visited by the greys, I
think it was which was for theirplanet.
(58:51):
They knew about the greys andthey had contact with them maybe
an embassy and diplomatic, youknow all that kind of thing and
the greys were looking forpeople to recruit them to go on
a special job for them which wasto incarnate as a human, and
then it would be part of their.
I don't know if you say job ortheir mission was that they
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would be somebody who's adopted,abducted, and so they remember
volunteering for that work, towork for the greys to incarnate
as a human and help the greys inwhat they're doing.
And they said that that set ofgrays were working to raise
spirituality on the planet andto kind of connect everybody
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together in this spiritualconsciousness kind of thing.
I suppose some people might callit moving to 5D or something
like that.
Sure, those greys.
And then there might be anotherset of greys who aren't so nice
and doing other things, andthen there's, you know, they
talk about the Nordics and thetall whites and all these other
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things start showing up.
But I'm not sure about thisFederation thing and it sounds
too Star Trek to me.
It sounds so Star Trek trek.
Frank (01:00:09):
We talked to someone who channels the, the galactic
federation, and I told her andshe agreed I'm like maybe I'd be
more like into this if theyjust called themselves something
else, because that is that is.
That sounds super made up, I'msorry.
And she was like I know itsounds weird, but so many people
(01:00:31):
talk about it yeah that's.
It's very funny.
Lauren (01:00:34):
Yeah, wow, that's crazy, though, going to a past life
regression like let me, let mefigure out what's wrong with my
tummy, or like why am I so likestuck in this pattern, and then
realizing like I was an?
Frank (01:00:49):
alien.
Oh, I'm a Lumerian who's beenvisited by the greys and I
volunteered to be abducted.
Yes, yes.
Lauren (01:00:54):
That was my past life.
Frank (01:00:59):
I know that's amazing, oh man.
Lauren (01:01:02):
Great stories.
Frank (01:01:03):
So cool, well okay, I guess we should wrap it up a
little bit here.
So cool, well okay, I guess weshould wrap it up a little bit
here.
Um, simon, uh, can you giveeverybody your plugs and then
tell them, like, where to getyour books and and what your
podcasts are?
Simon (01:01:15):
yeah, so the book is verified near-death experiences.
That's on amazon.
Get it on kindle paperbackaudiobook and the podcasts are.
Is it that side or that sideOur Paranormal Afterlife?
And the other one is calledAlien UFO Podcast.
My website ispastliveshypnosiscouk and people
(01:01:37):
can go on there and go into mycalendar and book a time and
I'll do a 20-minute call withthem free of charge to discuss
past life regression and whatthey might want to achieve by
doing it.
Frank (01:01:49):
That's fantastic.
That's so cool.
Yeah, simon, thank you so muchfor spending time with us today
and sharing your stories andyour incredible skill set, which
we just got a glimpse of, butI'm sold.
Lauren (01:02:00):
Yeah.
Frank (01:02:02):
And yeah, good luck with the book and the upcoming book
and we'll talk to you soon.
Let us know when the new bookcomes out and we'll have you
back on so you can you can pitchit.
Simon (01:02:10):
Yeah, yeah, definitely Okay.
It's been really good talkingto you.
Frank (01:02:18):
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Hi Glitter Ghouls.
In today's episode we talk toSimon Bowne, a hypnotherapist,
author and double podcast host.
We talk about past life,regression, near-death
experiences, aliens and more.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:17):
And I'm the captain now.
Lauren (00:19):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition.
This is episode 80 of clairevoyaging.
Way feather media presentsclaire voyaging.
All right, what's going on?
(00:54):
Everybody, hey, everyone, how'sit?
How's it hanging?
Frank (00:56):
you caught frank right in the middle of one of his raps.
I did a real bad rap.
Lauren (00:57):
I'll post it to patreon we had a lot of promises about
your raps and turns out I amhorrible, so yeah you had one
half decent rap, improvised rap,and there's been, it's been
downhill from there.
Frank (01:14):
You know, what's funny is that it's the pressure.
You know you ask Lauren, allday long I'm walking around
singing songs.
Sometimes I've I drop a madflow and you know you hit record
and I am a trash can.
Lauren (01:28):
We improvise songs all day.
It's true.
We're so annoying people, it'sso annoying, so much that like,
oh, actually I was singing.
I made up a song last night forour kids.
I was trying to tell ourseven-year-old to use her own
bathroom in the middle of thenight and I was like I don't
(01:49):
even remember it now, but I wassaying it so many times that she
one was singing it with me butalso wanted me to stop.
So bad, it was like use yourown bathroom, use your own
bathroom.
And I was like get out of myroom.
And then I did a clap, it was awhole thing.
She was like please stop.
Frank (02:10):
Very nice.
I heard someone singing that atsome point.
Lauren (02:14):
Yeah, she was repeating it.
It was catchy, you wouldn'tthink so from what I was just
saying just now.
But anyway, not your best work.
Frank (02:21):
It's okay, but I digress.
I was just saying just now.
But anyway, not your best work,it's okay.
Lauren (02:24):
But I digress Friends.
Frank (02:27):
Uh videos back.
Hi, we are a temporary studio,but maybe not.
I don't really know what'shappening, but this works for
now.
Yeah, it's not as pretty as thelast one but have that
luxurious those colors the yeah,we had a nice colorful
background we don't have thecolors this time, but the star
(02:47):
is still here the stars, theheart, star and star, you know,
are here, so they're here tostay.
That makes it home.
So here we are.
Truly, uh, welcome back to it.
Yeah, and thank you for yourpatience.
Again, I know we had a coupleof weeks off there.
That wasn't part of the plan,but again, that's what happens
when you have two seriousSagittarius people running a
podcast.
(03:08):
You know, you know, especiallyone that doesn't plan well.
I want to do a public apology.
Um, once upon a time I wasmaking fun of other world
because they have like a wholelike crew and I was like, what
do all those people do?
This is just us.
We're out here kicking ass andtaking names.
And now I'm like, yeah, what doall those people do?
This is just us.
We're out here kicking ass andtaking names.
And now I'm like, yeah, theydon't miss weeks, it's.
(03:29):
I think I know what thosepeople do and I want to say
great job, other world team,you're, you're really doing a
great job.
Lauren (03:37):
Hang on a second.
I don't think you were actuallymaking fun.
I think you were saying this isa lot of work and it's hard to
do with two people.
Frank (03:44):
I there was.
I got like I may be just alittle cocky for a second.
Lauren (03:47):
Oh, did you?
Yeah, well, if it didn't comeacross that way.
Frank (03:51):
Uh, yeah, it was just Frank Frankie go.
Lauren (03:54):
It's fine, it was fine.
Frank (03:55):
I thought it.
I thought it.
Lauren (03:58):
Have.
Frank (04:00):
Thank you for coming to my confessional.
How much help you need in manyways, help is great, which is
why we're sponsored byBetterHelp.
No, no, no, hey, betterhelp, asponsor would be cool, we can be
.
That'd be great.
That sounds nice.
Lauren (04:15):
Hey, so let's get to today's episode, okay, instead
of making fun of ourselves andsinging songs about going to the
bathroom.
Frank (04:25):
This sounds good.
This is what the people want.
Lauren (04:28):
They love the banter.
How many people actually?
Frank (04:34):
Let's do a poll.
Lauren (04:35):
I'm going to do a poll on Spotify.
If you watch or listen onSpotify, I'm going to add a poll
that says do you want banter?
Frank (04:46):
Well, it shouldn't be.
Do you want, because you'regoing to get it anyway.
Do you like it?
Yeah, no, I don't even thinkthat the question should be how
many people just hit fastforward until they get to like
the song cue that tells themthat the actual interview has
started.
Lauren (04:57):
Oh yeah, or me saying like let her rip or whatever it
is Right yeah, if or whatever itis Right yeah.
Frank (05:01):
If I were you, I would not listen to this.
I'm just letting you know.
Lauren (05:04):
But Drew does.
Frank (05:05):
Thanks, Drew.
Lauren (05:06):
Sweet Drew.
Frank (05:09):
Friend, I'd say friend of the show, just friend.
Lauren (05:13):
Okay, so today's guest is Simon Bowne, and one of our
listeners, holly, wrote to usand said I think Simon would be
a great guest and I just want tosay thank you for reaching out
because you were right.
Frank (05:27):
He was a great guest.
Lauren (05:28):
Yeah.
Frank (05:29):
Very cool, amazing stories.
This guy is, uh, an author, apodcast host.
He has stories about NDEs, hehas stories about aliens, he's
got it all.
Lauren (05:41):
Yeah, and he does past life regression.
Yeah, he, he's got it all.
Frank (05:43):
Yeah, and he does past life regression.
Yeah, he's not.
He's not a self-proclaimedpsychic in any kind of way, but
he is so deep in that world andand believes it that, like it's,
he's got great stories.
I loved it.
Lauren (05:53):
It was a fun conversation it was a really
great conversation so with that,please enjoy simon bound and
twinkle, twinkle little puppieswhat's up with the twinkle
twinkles?
Did I say twinkle, twinkle,okay it stays, it stays.
Simon, thank you so much forjoining us.
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On Claire Voyaging, we actuallyhad a listener recommend you
because her name's Holly and shelistens to your podcast and she
said I think he'd be a greatguest.
So thank you for coming on andwe like to do a little backstory
to understand how you got intothe work that you're doing.
(06:35):
So can you tell us a bit aboutyourself and what led you here?
Simon (06:40):
Yeah, well, the work I'm doing is I'm a clinical
hypnotherapist.
I take people through past liferegression.
I've got two podcasts, ourParanormal Afterlife and the
Alien UFO podcast, and my bookcame out recently which is
Verified Near-Death Experiences,and so I've had this
fascination with supernatural orparanormal stuff my whole life.
(07:03):
When I was 10 years old I'd goto the local public library and
get the books out.
I didn't have many, but itcould be anything.
It could be Bigfoot or ghostsor UFOs, and that was 1976.
That shows how old I am.
And over time I read more booksand over time more books came
(07:23):
out, because back then thereweren't so many.
I read more books and over timemore books came out, because
back then there weren't so many.
But now there's a lot of stuff.
And in the 1980s I would go tothe College of Psychic Studies
in London.
It was set up by the Societyfor Psychical Research, like 140
years ago, and they had afantastic library.
But I wasn't a student there,but the students were learning
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mediumship and channeling andpast life regression, and so you
could go every couple of weeksand the students could practice
on you.
You just pay a little bit ofmoney.
So I used to do that as a kindof fascination of this
investigation, and so I wastaken through a past life
regression there and I talkedwith this woman who was a
channel and this Chinese voiceaccent came through and it was
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saying this spirit.
They said they haven'tincarnated on earth for 3000
years and were Chinese.
They seem very wise.
And so then more books came outand I was reading books about
alien abduction on one side andafterlife stuff on the other,
near-death experiences andmediumship, and I was taking
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through a number of past liferegressions over time and I
decided that's something Iwanted to do, because I was
working in IT and it was all todo with servers and networking
and it might be what you callsoulless and I wanted to do
something soulful.
So I got my diploma in clinicalhypnotherapy and I got certified
(08:51):
in past life regression therapyand I was listening to a lot of
podcasts about all this kind ofstuff and I was thinking maybe
I could do that because I'vebeen bass player since 1980 and
I've learned how to use all thisrecording software.
So recording a voice is a pieceof cake and it's just amazing.
I'd email people and say, wouldyou be a guest?
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And they'd say yes, and I'vemaybe had 10 downloads in total
for my whole podcast.
But it just kind of slowly,slowly built up, because you
know they say it's a marathon,not a sprint with podcasts, and
so I've released over 800episodes now and my book is
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doing okay.
And the thing about the bookit's all about these near-death
experiences where people will beout of body, they'll see
something and it may be thattheir body's hooked up to these
devices.
So they know the body, theheart was flatlined, the brain
was flatlined, and then theycome back and they're
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resuscitated and they describewhat happened and the people
there could say but you wereclinically dead, there's no way
you could have seen that.
And so every near-deathexperience in my book has got
that kind of a verificationevent.
That's why I call it verifiednear-death experiences and
there's about 30 of them in mybook and so, yeah, I'm working
(10:16):
on my next book now, but that'ssort of more or less how I got
here.
Lauren (10:22):
Wow, that's awesome.
Frank (10:28):
I got here Wow, that's, that's awesome.
So you were like a fan ofgeneral psychism at any point,
did you?
Would you have consideredyourself a skeptic?
Simon (10:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's.
You know, you've got to keep anopen mind, but you can't just
accept anything.
You still have to have logicand reason and study what's
going on, and I like this phraseof keep an open mind, but not
so open that your brains fallout.
I feel I've got a big gray area.
(10:57):
There's little bits at one endhere where I might say, no, I
definitely don't believe that,and then a little bit over here
I definitely do believe that,and in between this big gray
area where most things fit.
Lauren (11:10):
Yeah, I feel like we're like that when it comes to that.
The alien stuff like thegalactic federation is a tough
one for me to like wrap my brainaround.
Frank (11:22):
Yeah, we talk about that a lot because we talk to so many
psychics.
It's always like, okay, well, Ihave like I can, I can verify
that they have tapped intosomething and told me
information that they shouldn'thave known, right, but with the
like alien stuff, sometimes I'mjust like, ah, this is tough,
like I want to believe.
I really I am Fox Mulder, Iwant to believe, but, like you
(11:42):
know, uh, it often has to comethrough you know, someone else
telling you something about it,unless you have like direct
experience yourself.
So, yeah, my question to youwas was, I guess, do you still
hold on to that?
Do you still hold on to thatskeptic mindset or are you?
Are you more in now?
Simon (12:01):
I'd say I'm a bit more in now yeah like a few years ago,
if you'd asked me about lifeafter death, I would have said
like 99% believe in it, but Ifeel 100% now, after all this
research I've done withnear-death experiences and
mediumship and past liferegression and children that
remember past lives, and there'sdeathbed visions and terminal
(12:23):
lucidity all these differentthings coming together for it.
But I'll tell you a story.
I was interviewing a womanwho'd written a book about
angels and to me that was veryreligious and you think, oh, I
don't know about that.
You know the white robes, thebig white feathers, the wings.
I stopped, I finished talkingto her and recording and she
(12:47):
said about how, if you see awhite feather, it's a sign that
there's an angel around.
So the next day I'm walkingdown the street and this feather
falls out of the sky right infront of me, this white feather.
And I thought, oh, it's just acoincidence, not taking any
notice of it.
And a few few weeks later, I wasinterviewing a medium for the
podcast and again we stopped therecording.
(13:08):
We were talking and I mentionedit to her and she said, oh yeah
, that's the sign angels around,if you see a feather showing up
in a weird way.
I was like okay.
So I finished the call with herand I went to wanted to see one
of my teenage daughters andshe's in her bedroom.
She's very tidy and there inthe middle of the floor of her
bedroom was a feather andthere's nothing else on the
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floor because she's so tidy.
And I said to her where didthis come from?
And she looked at it and said Idon't know.
And then went back to her videogame.
I thought that's weird.
I was just talking to a mediumabout feathers showing up in a
weird way and a feather shows upin a weird way, and so I was
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starting to think about it.
And then I went to see a mediumlocally and I was sitting
opposite her in her room andwe're both in these big
comfortable armchairs,completely clean carpet.
We didn't get up and goanywhere and she did the
mediumship thing and she wasreally good.
And then she finished that andshe was saying well, how did you
find me?
And I said well, I was talkingto a medium on my podcast.
(14:14):
She recommended you.
And then we were talking aboutfeathers and she said look at
the floor.
And I looked at the floor andthere was a white feather in
between us.
Frank (14:22):
Oh my gosh.
Simon (14:26):
And that had not been there the whole hour she'd been
doing her mediumship.
Neither of us had got up andgone anywhere, and it was like a
sudden stop to my brain.
I just could not compute.
Where did this come from?
Frank (14:37):
That's really funny.
Simon (14:39):
That's almost like there's.
These angels or spirit guidesare trying to communicate with
me and send me a feather, andthe first time I didn't get it,
second time I didn't really getit, and they must be slapping
their foreheads thinking whatare we going to do to get
through this guy?
So they teleported one in whenI was in that medium like push
(15:01):
it up from the floor.
Yeah, this is come out we'll getsimon with this one so that
that that was a thing where I Ireally it didn't sit right with
me, this angel thing.
But then after those threetimes it really makes you think
about it yeah yeah, I feel likeit's.
Lauren (15:21):
Yeah, sometimes it's like just testing to see how,
how, how long until you actuallybelieve and like open up your
understanding a little bit more.
Frank (15:33):
And Lauren's big on on signs.
You talk about signs a lot andwhen something comes up that
many times it's like, okay, Iget it, you gotta, you gotta get
, you gotta get beat over thehead sometimes with it.
Yeah, having spent so much timein this space, I want to ask
you this question have youpersonally been in a place where
you can develop your ownpsychic abilities, or have you
(15:56):
found yourself more intuitive inany kind of way?
Simon (16:00):
No, not really.
It's a thing.
I take people through past liferegression.
I did hundreds and hundreds ofsessions and sometimes they ask
me what did I pick up?
And I say sorry, I didn't pickup anything.
I did have a couple of times avision of a kind of a small
Greek amphitheater and as wewere starting the session these
(16:20):
people were coming in to sitdown and I almost felt like that
was spirit guides or council ofelders coming in to help out or
observe or something.
I have had psychic things cometo me, but the very few of them
and I got no control over it.
I was in.
I think it was 1998.
(16:41):
I was going to a friend'swedding in New Zealand.
I'd never been there before andtwo weeks before I was going to
go she said to me would I getsome horrible piece of tourist
rubbish as a wedding present?
So I went into the centre ofLondon, I bought her a tea towel
with the London Underground mapon it and I'm just walking out
(17:01):
down the street and suddenly Ihad this vision that I was with
her in her car in New Zealand.
And this lasted about 30seconds and so I heard part of
this conversation.
I saw the houses, what theylook like.
Street names and the houses arequite distinct in this part of
Christchurch because they haveearthquakes there.
So they built these woodenhouses and they're set up in a
(17:23):
certain way.
So they built these woodenhouses and they're set up in a
certain way.
So a couple of weeks later Iwas there and then it happened
exactly as I'd seen it those 30seconds, the whole conversation,
the street names were the same,the houses exactly the same as
I saw them.
Lauren (17:46):
So that was a psychic thing that happened to me.
That's amazing.
Does it make you want todevelop it or do you kind of
prefer being like I like to justask the questions?
Simon (17:55):
No, I suppose I would like to develop it, but I think
that's a lot of hard work and Idon't have the time and I try to
meditate and I'm really notvery good at that.
So I think, with this sort ofthing, you'd have to learn how
to still your mind in some wayand open it so you can receive
(18:15):
communication in some way,whether it's psychic or
mediumship, because you knowthey're two different things.
Frank (18:21):
And uh yeah, and also, I've reached an age now where
I'm looking for retirementrather than development I can
appreciate that, yeah yeah, butI also love that that you know
you have found your way intobeing a practitioner of a, of a,
(18:41):
of a study that is reallywell-seeded in the esoteric
traditions, right, even thoughyou claim to not have like
constant control over your,let's say, latent psychic
abilities.
So let me ask you this then canyou walk us through what one of
(19:01):
your sessions looks like whenyou're doing the, the past life
regression stuff?
Simon (19:07):
yeah, well, um, first of all, you know I'll talk to the
person about hypnosis and how itworks and how it feels, if they
haven't done it before, becausebeing hypnotized is just very,
very relaxed kind of state andyou're still aware of your
surroundings.
You'll feel like you could stopanytime you want.
You remember everything.
And there's a part of my pastlife regression session where we
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go into the life between lives,the kind of afterlife place
where we would hope to encountertheir spirit guide, and so
before we start, I say do youhave questions for your spirit
guides?
I say hope to encounter them,because they don't always show
up.
Most of the time they do.
I did a session once and thisis for therapy and a spirit
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guide showed up and said I'm notgoing to talk to you, you're
here to work on this lesson andit wouldn't be good if I helped
you with it.
And then it just disappeared.
Lauren (20:02):
Whoa.
Simon (20:04):
We go into the hypnotic induction, which is all about
relaxation and visualization.
There's several stages to itand it's got this very hypnotic
language and I sort of cool myvoice down a little bit, so it's
almost like I'm a smooth jazzFM DJ.
Frank (20:20):
Oh, I like that.
Simon (20:45):
I like that therapy thing we could say take us to the
past life.
That is the origin point of thisissue.
You know what the issue is,yeah, and then I say that
there's this big, tall wall infront of you and there's a gate
in the middle of this wall and Isay, go over to the gate, and
on the other side of this gateis one of your past lives.
And I say, now, just open thegate and step through into that
past life.
So then I stop describinganything and it's all coming to
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the client in their mind's eyeand they can have emotions and
just gain knowledge about things.
And so I'll be asking them verybasic, open questions, can't do
any leading, can't suggestanything, after we start off,
just finding out who they are,where they are, and then we say,
okay, let's move it forward.
What happens next?
What are your emotions here?
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And then we sort of could gohunting for something if it's
for therapy and trying to findout what might have happened in
that past life that has causedthe issue in this life.
And one of the ways you do itis, I might say I'll count you
down from five to zero.
When I get to zero, you'll moveto a significant event in that
life, an event that is the causeof your current life's issues.
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You try and find these things,and then I've got techniques to
break the bond with the pastlife and release negative energy
, and we can also ask the spiritguide to give some healing.
But I've got a whole list ofquestions that I work from the
spirit guide as well, where Iwould ask them why did you show
us this past life?
What can we learn from it?
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How is it related to yourcurrent life?
Is there anything negative wecan clear today?
You might ask what is yourpurpose?
Are you on the right path?
What did you agree to beforeyou were born?
How can we have a strongerconnection to you?
What advice would you giveright now?
And then you might ask is thereany karma coming through that
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was negative?
You might ask how many pastlives have you had and who in
your life have you incarnatedwith before?
So that would bring me to theend of the session and we record
it all.
So I send the recording to theclient afterwards.
Well, that's how I would do apast life regression session.
Basically, okay, your voice isvery soothing.
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That's how I would do a pastlife depression session.
Lauren (22:59):
Basically Okay, your voice is very soothing.
I was like, okay, I could seehow that would be.
Frank (23:04):
Oh, no, 100%.
Lauren (23:06):
I felt like I was slipping into some peaceful
state just now.
Frank (23:11):
Yeah, and you are very clearly good at what you do.
Lauren (23:14):
That's amazing yeah.
Frank (23:16):
And I love those questions.
I mean you cover the bases.
That sounds perfect, that'samazing.
Yeah, and like I love thosequestions, I mean those are you
cover the bases?
That's, that's sounds perfect,that's amazing.
Lauren (23:22):
I have a.
I have a question about that.
So are there, do you have anypatients who almost wrestle with
their own mind?
Because I ask this?
Because I've never beenhypnotized but I've, like our
family therapist, like a year ortwo ago, um said let me try a
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past life regression, just like.
It was kind of like a quick,like 20 minute thing, and he did
that with me and I felt myselflike um and I felt myself like
Fighting yourself.
Fighting, but also likefiltering almost, or actually no
, just judging what I was saying, what I was seeing, and I was
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like in my head I was like I'mmaking all of this up but I
wasn't, but I was doubting it somuch.
So do you have patients wholike how do you deal with that?
Someone who's a littleself-judgmental, I guess like me
?
Simon (24:27):
One of the things that I say is that it's all recorded.
So if you want to do ananalysis and be logical, you can
do that later when you listenback to it.
So you just go with the flow andjust let whatever comes to you
come to you.
I mean, when I was takingthrough past life regressions,
it does come up in yourimagination and you feel like
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you're making it up.
Yeah, that's what we do withour imagination.
But then the lives that show upare so unexpected and
unpredictable, and it's a thingof engaging with the process and
following the hypnoticinduction.
And I often start calls andpeople say I'm really nervous, I
don't know if I can do it, or Idon't think I'm someone who can
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be hypnotized, and then theyjust go straight into it.
And I also think that sometimespeople's idea of what hypnosis
is is different to what itactually is, which is just being
very, very relaxed.
And it's usually when peoplecome out of the hypnosis they're
rubbing their eyes and they'reoh man, I didn't know how
relaxed I was.
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It's a very gradual thing, butpeople can get into it.
Frank (25:46):
That's great.
Yeah, I think the thing thatyou said, the thing that that
you said, uh, simon, about howit's it comes from the same
place as your imagination, thatthat's that was my kind of hang
up too with it, because I didhave a quick session too.
Um, actually mine was like anhour.
Lauren (25:57):
It wasn't that quick, but yeah, but it's a whole
episode with your talking aboutyour experience.
Frank (26:02):
I did but the entire time I was in that struggle of like
I'm, I'm making this up, youknow, because I'm, we're
creatives, right, so we write alot.
We like imagine scenarios whenwe're writing narratives and I'm
like what you know, this iscoming from the same place as
that, except for I'm letting itcome to me, as opposed to
forcing my own creativity on tosomething I don't know I was
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taken through a past liferegression and I saw myself as a
woman in 16th century venice.
Simon (26:34):
And after we came out of it, the hypnotherapy saidist
said to me would you make thatup?
I said you know, I'd want to bea Spitfire pilot in the Second
World War.
I wouldn't be a woman in Venice.
Frank (26:45):
Right that is true, that's a great point, but
actually, while you're a womanin Venice, could you bring me
back some wine from there?
I bet you that's a real goodevent wine from there.
Lauren (27:02):
I bet you that's a real good event.
Have you had people or patientswho have looked into like they
had some real details or reallyspecific events from their past
life regression and then foundthat information after the fact
Like, oh, I validated this, likepast life this was me or
whatever?
A?
Simon (27:21):
couple of people have done that.
I think a lot of people don'tbother or we just don't get
enough detail yeah somebody didsend me a picture of a portrait,
an oil painting, and said thisthis is me, I found the life,
this is the person, what this iswhat they look like, so I put
that on my website.
Lauren (27:40):
That's so cool.
I love that that's, that'samazing.
I'm going to switch gears toyour book.
When you wrote this book wereyou.
How are you finding the peopleto tell the stories about?
Simon (27:58):
well it.
It's over time.
Yeah, I've talked to lots ofpeople who've had near death
experiences, a lot of them.
You know, it's like I could saymy UFO podcasts maybe 250
episodes.
So it'd be 550 of the afterlifepodcast and it's each episode
is an hour long interview, butthen I do another 10 minute one
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after that.
Most of the people on mypodcast are authors, so I
interview them and thenafterwards, when I get
permission, I read a 10 minuteextract from their book and
those episodes can get just asmany downloads as the interview.
Frank (28:37):
That's a good idea, that's cool, that's great.
Simon (28:39):
So I came across so many people that had these
verification events and I findthis particularly interesting
because it's some kind ofevidence, there's something you
can talk to witnesses about, andso I was thinking I'm going to
write maybe three books, and sothat's what I chose the first
one to be.
So each chapter is featuringone person describes their whole
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near-death experience, how theygot into it, what happens with
their out-of-body, their wholespiritual side of it with the
spirit guides and life review,and how they came back.
And then at the end of thechapter, I go through what I
call the verification events andshow for every chapter you know
how strong the verification ison each of these people.
Lauren (29:26):
Whoa, that's great.
Frank (29:28):
That is really cool.
Lauren (29:29):
Say the name of your book again.
Simon (29:32):
Verified Near-Death Experiences.
Frank (29:34):
So you seem very academic in this and I love that,
because I have a tendency tolike be very investigative.
Investigative Is that good?
Lauren (29:43):
Yeah, sure, yeah.
Frank (29:46):
As well.
And you know, over the courseof our podcast, which is nowhere
near as prolific as yours,you're knocking out episodes.
That's amazing.
But over the course of ourpodcast I tend to, you know,
make a Venn diagram in my mindof, like, everyone's experiences
and try to actually pull outthe structure of, like, how
things might work in theafterlife and stuff like that.
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Or, you know, how do angelsoperate?
That kind of stuff in your NDEinterviews, like, have you kind
of sussed out a, a, a structurethat you think the way like of
things, how they kind of work onthe other side very, very
basically because they they havesuch detailed experiences but
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they can be so different fromeach other.
Simon (30:32):
Like, some people will have the death and then they'll
have the out-of-body experienceand they'll see their body,
what's going on around there,and then they move into the
afterlife.
Other people are just instantlyin the afterlife.
There's no out-of-body view andthis idea of the tunnel of
light is very, I would say veryrare, but I think it's maybe 15
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percent of people have thatexperience in it and, like, some
people describe where they goto as a very kind of I what I
call an idyllic england, withthese wonderful green fields and
the flowers and the trees andthe stream going through and all
that kind of thing.
And there was a place that thesociety for psychical research.
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I think they named itSummerland, like a hundred years
ago, which pretty muchdescribes that.
And that's why I think of it asan idyllic England, because
that Society for PsychicalResearch were in London and all
the people they talked to werepretty much British and when
they died their heaven would belike that because that's where
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they grew up.
But somebody else say if theygrew up in Saudi Arabia, their
heaven might be a completelydifferent idea, so they'd go to
their heaven and not to thisplace full of green fields.
So it's like the near-deathexperiences are tailored for the
individual and there's somepeople who don't go to that kind
of space, those green fields.
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They go to just a space oflight or a space of darkness and
they, they meet a spirit guideand they're taken on a tour and
they go all over the universe.
Sometimes that's what they saythey may have their body is
clinically dead for 12 secondsand they say their near-death
experience lasted three yearsand so it's very tough to work
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out what's going on.
But people die and they do gosomewhere else and they come
back with verifications of thesethings.
There's people in the book whogo to kind of taken on a tour
and they'll go somewhere that'snot very nice and a guide will
be showing them this is theplace that's not very nice and
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then they'll go somewhere elsethat's maybe a bit better.
But what they also see is thatthe spirits who are more
enlightened are coming down tothese darker spaces and helping
spirits out of there and raisingthem up to the light, so to
speak.
But there's also this thing ofreligion where some you might
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get an atheist who says theymeet Jesus and then you get a
Christian who doesn't meet Jesusor will meet one of the Hindu
gods, like Shiva or Buddha orsomething.
So it gets confusing.
And it is that thing where Ithink it's tailored exactly to
the individual and it's almostas though the space they go to
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isn't the afterlife, it's aholding space or what you might
call the theater of thenear-death experience, to give
the person exactly what theyneed.
Because I think you might have100 people who have a cardiac
arrest and resuscitated, only10% of them will have a
near-death experience.
The rest will say nothinghappened.
That's a wonder if they didn'thave it, because they didn't
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need it from a spiritual pointof view.
Frank (33:50):
That's so interesting.
Simon (33:50):
Maybe everybody does, but only some are allowed to
remember it because sometimesthe spirits say that to the
person.
It because sometimes thespirits say that to the person.
You know there was a woman whowas shown her whole life and
everything that was laid out infront of her that was to come.
And she said I could read itall, I knew it was happening.
And then they said we're notgoing to let you remember this,
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just letting you see it now.
But they said to her you cantake something out.
And she, she saw chronicillness was written on it and
she took the chronic illness outthat was going to happen after
these injuries that caused hernear-death experience.
And there's miraculous healingsthat show up as well.
It's quite remarkable.
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So knowing what the afterlifeis like seems to be different
for everybody, but I do believeit's there.
Lauren (34:43):
I love the term the theater of a past life
experience, because I feel likethat.
I mean, we've interviewed a fewpeople who have had past life
or, sorry, near-deathexperiences and they all seem
different and I'm like, well,wait a minute, what actually
happens?
But I love I think you put itso well that that makes sense to
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me, like it's tailored to eachperson, like we had who was it?
Someone had they envisionedlike a crystal palace.
Frank (35:18):
Oh, yeah, yeah, who was that?
I don't remember.
Lauren (35:21):
Yeah.
Frank (35:22):
Would you say that everyone does come back changed,
or or are there some people whoare like, oh, whatever, that
was a crazy dream, like theydon't care that much?
Simon (35:32):
I'd say everybody comes back changed.
The change comes after a whileand other people it's
instantaneous.
I think sometimes it depends onyour upbringing if you're very
strongly religious or you'revery atheist.
There's a guy in my book whowas a drug addict and his
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near-death experience happenedwhen he was very, very drunk.
He got in his car at 2 am.
He was full of heroin.
While he was driving he hadmushrooms in a bag next to him
and he said he was eating themlike we call them crisps.
You know, like it was justchomping on them as he was
driving oh, my god mansomebody's house at 70 miles an
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hour and he said he was an awfulperson.
And this is when, I think, he's19 years old.
This, this happened and afterhe came out of the near-death
experience, it took him a whileto really realize what had
happened and what it was allabout.
And he's a completely changedperson now.
That's a guy called malcolmnair, I think it is.
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He's, uh, he's like a lifecoach now and a spiritual mentor
for people.
Frank (36:43):
Wow.
Simon (36:43):
Wow.
Frank (36:44):
That's amazing.
But good God, gnarly crazy,that's crazy.
That guy knows how to party.
Lauren (36:55):
No, he doesn't.
Yeah, I guess that's true.
Frank (37:06):
Wow, that's wild.
Um, okay, let's.
Oh, I do have a question foryou regarding sorry now we're
kind of jumping back and forthbetween ndd, ndes and past life
stuff, but I guess it's somewhatrelated.
Um, so I've heard some peopledescribe like past lives, right,
as something that happenedbefore, but, um, I don't know,
I've heard other people say thatit's actually a concurrent life
because time doesn't reallyexist on the other side, right,
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like do you, do you have anopinion on on that?
Simon (37:30):
yeah, I say that that's both correct.
It's, it's a thing for us.
It's linear, isn't it?
It's one after the other.
Yeah, in the afterlife, people,near-death experiences, and
others will say you know, itdoesn't seem like there is any
time.
Near-death experiences say thatthey can be in several places
at once and be completelyengaged in every place, and it's
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not at all overwhelming.
And so I feel it's.
It's kind of like an image Ihave of a tree where the trunk
is the soul and every leaf is adifferent life.
So as the tree is experiencingall the leaves at the same time,
the soul experiences all thelives at the same time, because
that afterlife space, there's notime there.
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So it's a thing where your soulwill put a part of itself in
each life.
So it's kind of like me, simonwhen I die, I don't reincarnate,
but my soul is putting anotherspark of itself in another life.
Lauren (38:33):
I feel like you should write a book.
That was beautiful.
Frank (38:38):
Okay, so I have another, and maybe I'm getting too into
the details here.
I'm always asking about thestructure of stuff, but he's a
structure guy.
Yeah, and it's unfortunate, theI often wonder, you know, if we
are able to, you know, go intohypnosis and then experience one
of our past lives, like, do wehave access to the entire film
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reel, from start to finish, ordo we only get a glimpse into,
as if there's like two movieshappening at the same time and
you pop your head into anothertheater?
You know what I mean.
Like in one of my regressions Iwas able to kind of experience
a death that I'd had, but thenin one of my other ones I tried
to get to the.
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I walked towards the death partof another life, but it just
felt like it was on pause, likeit was still happening.
I was told that I might havedied, but I didn't have access
to the sensations of death.
It felt like it was somethingthat was actually occurring.
I don't know if you have atheory on that.
Simon (39:43):
I think the spirit guides .
If it is them that choose whichpast life you see, they decide
what you see and they'll showyou what is good for you.
And if they don't show you yourdeath, it might be because they
just don't think it's important.
Or it may be that you don't seesome people.
I I've sessions quite a lot.
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People may be in this spacewith their past life family and
they're getting this great viewof their children, but it may be
the husband's, the, the lady'ssaying I just can't get a good
image of him.
I can't see his face or whathe's wearing, but he's there and
I think think, yeah, the spiritguides, he's not important.
That's not what this is about.
It's about the children, and soit's like you won't see the
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death there because they don'tfeel you need to see it.
Frank (40:31):
That makes sense.
Lauren (40:33):
Yeah, that makes sense, you got what you needed out of
that reading.
Frank (40:41):
Yeah, you needed out of that reading and it was very
specific things, right.
So in that, yeah, and thatmakes sense for me too and for
that one that I experienced,because in that one I was on
something of like a quest and Iwas very ill prepared and I
didn't have what I needed and,um, I tend to like I don't want
to call myself a doomsdayprepper, but I have some stuff
just in case.
Put it that way I have asometimes unreasonable need to
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make sure I have everything tolike encounter an emergency, and
some people just call thatanxiety, but it's deeper than
that for me.
Lauren (41:15):
You like to be prepared?
Frank (41:17):
I like to be prepared.
Lauren (41:18):
Very prepared.
Frank (41:21):
Oh my gosh.
So I wonder, like in in,according to, like your theory,
like maybe I'm tapping into that, or or the guides are like oh,
maybe it is a good idea to havesome stuff that you need, or you
know, there's something therethat I could like think about a
little bit and really like dwellon and see what the lesson is
in that.
Simon (41:39):
I had a client who always had to have food in the house.
They didn't eat it, they didn'thave like a weight problem, but
it was this thing of thishorror of not having enough food
.
And we saw a past life wherethey had seven children
Victorian era and the husbandleft.
They had no money.
Two of the children died ofmalnourishment and she was very
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skinny.
And in this life there's thisfeeling she's always got to make
sure there's enough food foreverybody and it, when we said,
take us to the origin point ofthat feeling.
That's the life they took us to, that's what they showed her.
Lauren (42:19):
That is so fascinating to me.
Frank (42:23):
I think you need to do like a full.
Lauren (42:24):
I know, I know I was going to say it.
Frank (42:27):
It would be so cool to see what your things are.
Yeah, all right, you should dothat.
Lauren (42:31):
Yeah, because there's certain things where you're like
well, I know where some of mywhatever fear or trauma or just
recurring pattern comes from.
But then sometimes I'm like Idon't know why I do that or I
don't know why I'm scared ofthat thing, you know.
Frank (42:50):
Yeah.
Lauren (42:51):
That's so interesting.
Frank (42:52):
I'd love you know what we need to do.
We, and maybe we should tapinto Simon here, uh, like at a
later date.
And maybe we should tap intoSimon here at a later date, I
would love to know what yourissue with time is.
I think that's ADHD, I don'tknow.
Lauren is clinically late.
She doesn't wear a watch.
She doesn't want to wear awatch.
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She doesn't want to acknowledgethe fact that time is a thing
and there's got to be somethingto it.
Wait, correction, I want wantto.
I just am very I'm not skilledat it.
I think there's somethinggenetic, not not like from your
genes.
I think you had some geneticprogramming from past lives or
something something's going onmaybe that's my sense of it
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simon, do you do Zoomappointments?
Simon (43:38):
Yeah, we're all on Zoom now.
Most of my clients are in theUS, oh cool.
Frank (43:47):
That's actually a funny question.
Why are most of your clients inthe US?
Is it just a cultural thing?
Is it more?
Simon (43:53):
acceptable, I suppose.
So I don't know, but I do findwith my downloads on the
podcasts it's about 80-85% USwhere the downloads are, and
then the next one is Australiaand New Zealand, and then after
that it's the UK.
Lauren (44:10):
Interesting.
Frank (44:12):
That is really interesting.
Have there been any?
Have you had any clients thatlike?
Obviously people walk awaychanged.
They find what they experiencedprofound.
Is there anything that you haveheard from a client that you
were like that is the mostprofound thing, that like has
changed you deeply?
Simon (44:29):
Yeah, there's a couple of things I could think of.
There was a woman who I thinkit was like 27 years she's had
this argument with her motherand it's always been bad and we
did the past life regression andshe emailed me later and said I
went to my mum's for Sundaylunch and it's the first time in
27 years I've stepped throughthe door and not felt angry
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straight away.
Lauren (44:54):
Wow.
Simon (44:54):
And there was another lady who had lots of eczema on
her leg, below her knee.
She didn't even tell me aboutthis.
This just shows what the spiritguides do.
But we went to a past lifewhere she was a hunter in a
forest and she stepped in a beartrap.
You know, those big metal clawscame up and grabbed her leg and
it's exactly the same spot asthe eczema in this life.
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What she emailed me later andsaid the eczema's completely
cleared up what she was in her50s and she tried all her life
to get rid of it.
Nothing would work with doctorsand lotions and potions, but it
seemed this past liferegression just cleared it up.
Lauren (45:34):
Whoa.
Frank (45:34):
Oh man, I love this idea of a physical manifestation,
manifestation of like a pastlife trauma.
Lauren (45:41):
Yeah.
Frank (45:41):
That is so so interesting .
I'm going to have to thinkabout this what's wrong with my
tummy?
What's wrong with Frank's tummy?
Oh, my gosh, that's so cool.
Oh, I don't know if I've heardof that.
I love that.
Lauren (45:58):
What is your next book?
Simon (46:01):
Oh, the next't know.
I don't know if I've heard ofthat.
I love that.
What?
What is your next book?
Oh, the next one is, uh, alienabduction.
Ooh, I've talked to a lot ofpeople on my UFO podcast.
You've had these experiencesand a lot of, I think, ufo
podcasts talk about the wholedisclosure thing and the
government and what they'rehiding.
I don't really cover that.
I've got about 50 interviewsand I've got the transcripts now
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and I'm going through themthese people describing their
whole experiences.
So that's what I'm studying forthe book and I'll also have
quotes from them in my book.
And it's like the Near-DeathExperience book is that?
Everybody in there, almosteverybody in that one.
I have talked to myself andthey have verified the events.
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When I finished their chapter,I sent it to them and they read
it through and confirmed if itwas accurate or a little changes
need to be made.
So it's not that I watched aYouTube video and then wrote
about it.
I did all this research withthe person and talk to them.
So I talked to everybody forthis alien abduction book wow,
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that's so cool what?
Frank (47:11):
what are your like big like with?
You know no spoilers, but whatare your big like?
Lauren (47:17):
takeaways like your key findings from your interview so
far about that yeah, again, isthere like a recurring theme or
like a, like you said, like thevenn diagram, where?
Simon (47:27):
stories kind of meet up in some way yeah, there's lots
of stuff, typical weird thingslike people when their children
waking up outside the house intheir pajamas and they're locked
out and it's three o'clock inthe morning and they just find
themselves just there suddenly,not that they're asleep on the
grass and they wake up.
And there's some people whowake up in the morning and their
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pajamas, their night clothes,are on backwards or inside out,
or they're not their clothes atall, and these are sort of hints
and things.
And then there's missing timethat shows up for lots of people
which and they kind of describeit as though somebody's taken a
film and cut a segment out andthen join the film back up
together.
So it's an instant change.
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There was a guy I talked to hadthis, uh, has this harley
davidson and he's so proud of itand he loves it and he only
rides it on really nice, smoothtarmac because he doesn't want
any little stones spitting upand hitting the chrome and the
paintwork and things.
So he was out for a ride and hewas doing about 70 on this road
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and an instant later he's doing30 on a gravel path.
He said there was no weirdness,no blackness or anything, and
it was two hours later and hejust didn't know what was going
on and he would never take hisbike on a gravel path like that.
Just didn't know what was goingon and he would never take his
bike on a gravel path like that.
So that that's a typicalmissing time thing that lots of
people describe.
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And then there's the thing ofbeing picked up you know the
actual abduction and beingfloated through the wall or
through the window like itdoesn't exist.
And there's suggestions therethat people are not physically
taken but their consciousness istaken.
But then there are other thingswhere people are physically
taken because there's marks ontheir body and their family
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members see things or theirfriends see things.
I've talked to a woman whoended up getting divorced
because the husband was sofreaked out by what he was
seeing in the house.
So there are lots ofcommonalities and that's
basically what my book is about.
It's it's different aspects andthen I'll be studying this like
the missing time aspect andI'll have lots of quotes in
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there from people describing themissing time event that
happened to them.
Wow, it's.
It's also gets very strange.
They call it high strangenessyeah for me.
The weirder it is, the moreinterested I am yeah, yeah
definitely hold on.
Frank (49:52):
Let me see what's going on with our light.
It's flickering for some.
It started flickering when westarted talking about aliens oh
my god it's either a technicalissue or a not so technical
issue.
Would you mind grabbing yourcharger?
It's plugged in yeah, I thinkit was just your laptop kind of
going out?
no, I think it's the aliens it'sthe aliens, okay, so I do have
a question, a follow-up question, on that, because when we've
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talked to people, because we aretalking to people in the
context of, like psychism andall that, um, we're always
talking about, uh, aliens interms of galactic or um other
dimensional beings, right, andwe've never discussed an
abduction of any kind.
Do you?
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How do you?
How do you quantify this?
Are we like, are these twodifferent creatures?
Do we have like the things fromother planets that are
abducting people?
And then there are also thelike spiritual aliens, or what
do you think?
Simon (50:50):
it seems to be something like that yeah and it's like
human, the human race.
There's going to be differentviewpoints and different agendas
and things.
Different people describedifferent alien beings, but it's
.
It gets very weird.
There's one guy I talked to whosaid the alien said to him this
is one of the greys.
They said this is not what welook like where we come from.
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We're not physical.
What you see of us is what youimprint upon us with your
consciousness.
Frank (51:20):
Oh.
Simon (51:21):
So that's part of the high strangeness that I really
like to find, yeah.
Lauren (51:27):
Can you define the greys just for anyone?
Frank (51:30):
that's the classic.
Simon (51:31):
Like a gray alien I know, but I mean, it took a while for
me to even know what that wasoh because there's the short,
three and a half four feet tall,with the big head and the big
black eyes, and then there'staller ones than that, and then
there's the ones they call thetall whites, which look pretty
much the same but they're six orseven feet tall, and it appears
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that the short ones are maybegenetically engineered and that
they're they're made to performcertain tasks and they're not so
clever, and it's the tall onesthat the actual aliens that may
have evolved somewhere.
But there's another thing oflooking at it is why are they so
much like us?
Why they got a head and twoarms and two legs?
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How is it?
They're perfectly fine in ouratmospheric pressure.
And why is it?
None of our viruses orbacterias cause them to be ill?
How are they just fine in ourgravity?
So it may be that they weregenetically engineered to be on
earth to do what they need to doon earth.
They're more kind of biologicalrobots.
Frank (52:40):
That's such an interesting.
That's such an interesting take.
Yeah, I've heard that.
I've heard like time travelersor like they're coming back in
time and like abducting peopleto like fix their dna or
something there's like been.
I've heard so many differentthings about what they might be.
Do you have a take on any ofthat, or are you just like in in
, collect data mode and observe?
Simon (53:01):
yeah, I mean I've been reading books since the 80s
about alien abduction and I'veseen ufos close up myself a
couple of times.
Frank (53:08):
You've experienced a UFO.
Simon (53:11):
Yeah, I did a gig west of London in this town, and this
would have been about 93.
And we packed up all the gearin the cars.
It was 1 am Monday morning.
I'm heading on the M40 and backinto London and I remember
noticing there were no othercars around on the motorway,
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which was a little odd.
But up ahead of me on the leftwas a really bright light and
this empty field and we drive onthe left and I knew that
stretch of motorway really welland I was thinking there's
nothing in that field, there'sno houses.
How come there's such a brightlight?
I thought maybe they're doingemergency electric system
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repairs or something, and so Islowed down and I checked my
mirrors again there's no othercars and I got my speed down
maybe five miles an hour andjust as I got to where that
light was, it came into view asthis UFO.
This craft was about 25 feetoff the ground and 200 feet from
me and it was completely silent.
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It didn't move an inch thewhole time and it had many, many
little red lights across onehalf of the bottom and the other
end.
There was a really brightspotlight pointed at the ground
and the craft was shaped like arugby ball and the spotlight was
so bright and it's only later Iwas thinking.
(54:37):
You know this kind of uh,comical image of abduction.
Frank (54:41):
They show the light coming out, the craft and the
person going up in it I wasgonna going to say, yeah, you
didn't see like a cow going upor anything, did you?
No, that classic image.
Simon (54:55):
So I went past it really slowly, staring at it and then
leaning forward over thesteering wheel looking up at it.
So I got a good look at that.
And then I just increased myspeed and went home and I
checked my clock as well,because I knew about missing
time and I was thinking did Iget home an hour later than I
should?
Yeah, there was no missing timethere.
Lauren (55:13):
Oh my gosh.
Frank (55:16):
What was your emotional?
Were you just like that's cool,or were you scared?
What were?
Simon (55:22):
you feeling it was more of that thing of just saying oh,
that's interesting.
Which is weird, and this issomething I come across with uh,
ufo people having theseexperiences is sometimes it's
almost like their brains areswitched off, like the ets are
telepathically controlling themin a way.
I talked to a lady um, this isbefore people had phones but she
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had a really nice camera in thebackseat of her car and she
stopped and she was looking atthis UFO and she started leaning
back to get the camera and thenshe just stopped and didn't
take a picture and she felt thatwas so weird and so unlike her
because she's so intophotography.
It was like something externalswitched that idea off and that
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sort of thing shows up now andthen huh whoa that's wild.
Frank (56:13):
It's so wild that you saw one of these things.
That's that's amazing.
Yeah, you said that was one ofyour experiences.
Simon (56:19):
You've had multiple well, another time I saw a ball, an
orange ball of light about thesize of a car, and that was
stationary and just 25 feet offthe ground.
And again I was driving, againI was gigging, and this time,
though, it was going across thisarea called the New Forest,
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which is a national forest andit's protected, so you can't
build there or do anything.
So to set up a 25-foot tallthing and put an orange ball of
light the size of a car on topof it seems like a pretty odd
thing to do, and I couldn't stopbecause the roads were so busy
and there's no area to pull overto the side.
(57:00):
So I just had to drive and lookat it and then look at the front
and then look over again, andit didn't move at all the whole
time I was driving.
Frank (57:10):
And I'm assuming like a lot of people saw that because
you're on the road I don't knowI don't know there is weird
stuff with that as well.
Simon (57:19):
This is part of the high strangeness.
You can have three people.
Two of them will see a ufo andthe third won't see it oh my
gosh I talked to a woman who sawthis UFO.
She was having ET contactexperiences.
This UFO came over the houseabout the size of a football
field and it was completelysilent and it was black and she
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said if she'd had a baseball shecould have thrown it and hit
the bottom of this UFO.
Oh my gosh, she was in thegarden looking at it.
Her daughter was in her bedroomlooking up at it her adult
daughter and what her daughterdescribed was different to what
her mother saw, completelydifferent craft huh so that
that's.
Frank (57:58):
That's another weirdness thing that shows up, something
to do with consciousness andperception and screen memories,
which is another thing that'sfascinating consciousness is so
weird maybe this is like yournext next book, but have you had
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anybody who's like had a pastlife experience and like
reported, I don't know, havingan interaction with a ufo or an
alien of any kind?
Simon (58:30):
yeah, I've had a small number of people go to past
lives on other planets oh mygosh, I interviewed somebody
this week who remembers a pastlife on another planet where
they were dying and their planetwas visited by the greys, I
think it was which was for theirplanet.
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They knew about the greys andthey had contact with them maybe
an embassy and diplomatic, youknow all that kind of thing and
the greys were looking forpeople to recruit them to go on
a special job for them which wasto incarnate as a human, and
then it would be part of their.
I don't know if you say job ortheir mission was that they
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would be somebody who's adopted,abducted, and so they remember
volunteering for that work, towork for the greys to incarnate
as a human and help the greys inwhat they're doing.
And they said that that set ofgrays were working to raise
spirituality on the planet andto kind of connect everybody
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together in this spiritualconsciousness kind of thing.
I suppose some people might callit moving to 5D or something
like that.
Sure, those greys.
And then there might be anotherset of greys who aren't so nice
and doing other things, andthen there's, you know, they
talk about the Nordics and thetall whites and all these other
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things start showing up.
But I'm not sure about thisFederation thing and it sounds
too Star Trek to me.
It sounds so Star Trek trek.
Frank (01:00:09):
We talked to someone who channels the, the galactic
federation, and I told her andshe agreed I'm like maybe I'd be
more like into this if theyjust called themselves something
else, because that is that is.
That sounds super made up, I'msorry.
And she was like I know itsounds weird, but so many people
(01:00:31):
talk about it yeah that's.
It's very funny.
Lauren (01:00:34):
Yeah, wow, that's crazy, though, going to a past life
regression like let me, let mefigure out what's wrong with my
tummy, or like why am I so likestuck in this pattern, and then
realizing like I was an?
Frank (01:00:49):
alien.
Oh, I'm a Lumerian who's beenvisited by the greys and I
volunteered to be abducted.
Yes, yes.
Lauren (01:00:54):
That was my past life.
Frank (01:00:59):
I know that's amazing, oh man.
Lauren (01:01:02):
Great stories.
Frank (01:01:03):
So cool, well okay, I guess we should wrap it up a
little bit here.
So cool, well okay, I guess weshould wrap it up a little bit
here.
Um, simon, uh, can you giveeverybody your plugs and then
tell them, like, where to getyour books and and what your
podcasts are?
Simon (01:01:15):
yeah, so the book is verified near-death experiences.
That's on amazon.
Get it on kindle paperbackaudiobook and the podcasts are.
Is it that side or that sideOur Paranormal Afterlife?
And the other one is calledAlien UFO Podcast.
My website ispastliveshypnosiscouk and people
(01:01:37):
can go on there and go into mycalendar and book a time and
I'll do a 20-minute call withthem free of charge to discuss
past life regression and whatthey might want to achieve by
doing it.
Frank (01:01:49):
That's fantastic.
That's so cool.
Yeah, simon, thank you so muchfor spending time with us today
and sharing your stories andyour incredible skill set, which
we just got a glimpse of, butI'm sold.
Lauren (01:02:00):
Yeah.
Frank (01:02:02):
And yeah, good luck with the book and the upcoming book
and we'll talk to you soon.
Let us know when the new bookcomes out and we'll have you
back on so you can you can pitchit.
Simon (01:02:10):
Yeah, yeah, definitely Okay.
It's been really good talkingto you.
Frank (01:02:18):
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