082: Big Dolphin Energy // with Nick Musica

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Nick Musica’s journey from digital marketer to animal communicator began with an unexpected message from a psychic: “You can talk to animals, and it’s going to be easy for you.” From that moment, synchronicities started to align, and countless subtle signs pointed toward a hidden gift. Nick describes receiving animal messages as a quiet shift in awareness, like noticing a change in wind while standing still.

Through stories like his conversation with a dolphin named Liz—who revealed grief over being separated from her family, not her captivity—Nick shows how animal communication often uncovers truths about both animals and their humans. A seemingly misbehaving Chihuahua, for example, was mirroring its owner’s frustration and guiding her toward a more fulfilling path. Whether you’re curious about your pet’s inner world or ready to explore your own intuitive abilities, Nick’s insights offer a powerful reminder: you don’t need the “perfect” spiritual path—just the willingness to start.

To learn more about Nick or to book a session with him:

Visit: NickMusica.com

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:01):
Hi kings and queens of the spirit realm.
In today's episode we talked toNick Musica, an animal
communicator and intuitivedevelopment coach.
We talked about animal energy,talking to a dolphin and Frank's
love of cats.
I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank (00:17):
And I am not a fan of cats.

Lauren (00:20):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode82 of Claire Voyaging.
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging hello friends,

(00:55):
hello kings and queens, how youdoing today, we hope you're well
you feeling good, frank.

Frank (00:58):
I'm feeling great.

Lauren (00:59):
Eight percent, lauren okay, we had some.
We had some technical stuffwith our guest and we're so
sorry to nick, it's my faultbecause I didn't have my
computer charged and I'll neverhear the end of it from sweet
frank over here I'm so nice itwe he kept dropping out and we

(01:23):
have like, we're like so sorry,nick, so that happens.
You know it's okay.
To someone like me hey, maybe Ishould seek out ADHD medication
.
Say no more.

Frank (01:41):
I have a question for everybody how do you guys find
out about psychic fairs andpsychic events occurring in your
town?
Let me know, is there a masternewsletter or something?
Just a?

Lauren (01:54):
psychic newsletter, the one I think it's called Google.

Frank (01:58):
Yeah, is it just me not looking?

Lauren (02:00):
Because we'd like to start going to them.

Frank (02:03):
Look, new town, town, new vibes.
We're finally settled, settledinto a point where, like, we can
start doing things, which iskind of cool.
Yeah, uh, yeah, we're gonna getsome coffee with our pal nick
now, who you're gonna hear fromin just a second.

Lauren (02:16):
It's gonna be great we're gonna have new services to
offer soon, so joining thepsychic fair, I feel like that's
.

Frank (02:23):
That's for us we are gonna have new services to offer
soon.

Lauren (02:27):
Right, Right Right.

Frank (02:28):
Frankie.
And guess what?
We decided that once Frankie,once we get the Frankie, rakey,
frankie.

Lauren (02:35):
Frankie, rakey, frankie.

Frank (02:38):
We're going to be operating under the Claire
Voyaging umbrella, so ourwebsite's going to have some
services to offer and hopefullyday instead of just.
And Lauren's got a thing comingup too.

Lauren (02:47):
I got a workshop coming up soon.

Frank (02:48):
We got different things.

Lauren (02:49):
I think maybe it'll be ready to announce in like a week
or two.

Frank (02:52):
Oh yeah, let's announce it then.
Stay tuned.
This is kind of announcing.

Lauren (02:57):
No, it's not announcing.
Oh, okay, I will.
Okay, fine, I will have aworkshop coming up.
So, okay, fine, I will have aworkshop coming up.
So keep your ears and eyes openand your hands and arms inside
the cart, because this is thewildest ride in the wilderness,
anyway, I think we're obsessedwith that ride.

Frank (03:16):
Well, who isn't?
If you've been on it, you'lllike it.

Lauren (03:18):
And if you're on our Patreon you'll see a little
blurb of us doing that, oh,that's right we have recently
done that.
Yes, it's part of our.
It's part of our language herein this house.

Frank (03:29):
This is our love language .

Lauren (03:30):
Yeah, big thunder mountain yeah, guys, this was a
great conversation with nick,all technical problems aside you
won't know about, about thetechnical issues you will never
know, you know what?

Frank (03:43):
because poppy fixed it over.

Lauren (03:44):
Here we're just telling you the little behind the scenes
, little dish yeah but he isfantastic.
He's so cool to talk to and Ithink it was so interesting to
hear his his take on how hecommunicates with animals, so I
hope you enjoy.
I feel like it's time to playit.

Frank (04:04):
Might be time to take it to the stars.

Lauren (04:09):
Take it to the moon, nick.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
On Claire Voyaging, we'reexcited to talk to you.
Can you give us a littlebackstory on what got you into
this work and, yeah, how you gothere?

Nick (04:29):
Yeah, yeah, and thanks for having me on, so it's funny, we
were just chatting.
Before you hit the recordbutton.
We're both in Carlsbad, yes,and this started you know this
version of it, shall we saystarted.
The animal showing up startedin Carl's bed.
About, say, two and a halfyears ago, my wife and I went to

(04:49):
the psychic fair off of I thinkit was off of Palomar, and we
walked around the show floor,didn't really see anyone that
was really attracting us to sitdown with them, see anyone that
was really attracting us to sitdown with them.
And then we approached theshort the the floor from the
opposite direction and it waslike she wasn't there when we

(05:10):
were walking in the onedirection.
But you know, when we turned itwas like, oh my god, there's
this big sign that says mediumadalita, psychic medium.
And you know, I I have been topsychics since age 17, 18, 18.
But I've never been to a mediumand it just wasn't a thing for
me.
So, I was like, for whateverreason, I felt like she would be

(05:32):
good for my wife I don't knowand I said, hey, Jill, what do
you think of her?
And my wife said that soundsgreat, but you're going to go
first, and so I sat down.
Yeah, yeah, right.
And so I sat down.
Yeah, yeah, right.
And so I sat down for 15minutes and I'm thinking 15
minutes in the chair, 15 minuteswaiting, and then I'm looking
forward to hearing what happenswith my wife from this.

(05:54):
But I sit down and Adelitastarts by drawing this heart and
she says this is either aformal romantic relationship or
it's an animal.
And she circles animal and thenshe says you did too much and
it was my cat.
It was my cat, henry, comingthrough.
He was 22 years old when hepassed the last two years of his

(06:16):
life, ages 20, 21,.
We were going back and forth tothe vet a lot, a lot.
You're looking to ease thesymptoms of old age.
There's nothing to solve, butyou know but what can?
we do Right.

Lauren (06:33):
Yeah.

Nick (06:34):
And you know there's multiple times he's walking out
of, out of the veterinaryhospital, clinic office,
whatever we want to call it with, like this lump on his back,
you know, like Quasimodo, causehe's he's dehydrated and that's
how you would, you know, hydratea cat, um, and there was a
bunch of things we're checking,whatever we could for you know
the symptoms, to try to easeease what he was, uh, what he

(06:56):
was feeling.
So the, the phrase you did toomuch was a was a perfect summary
and and as my reality ofsummary and and as my reality of
you know, the situation is fastforwarding to my belief system,
because I sat down going likeI'll be a good player, and then
I can't wait to get you know,and then I can't wait to hear
you know she's continuing to doher thing and she says so.

(07:20):
Now my guides are showing me DrDoolittle, they're showing me
that you can talk to animals andit's going to be easy for you,
and I thought, oh, yeah, that'sthat's, that's totally true, uh,
and I had no reason to thinkthat'd be true.
Um, you know, 10 minutes prior,10 minutes prior, I would have
just like called you know, youknow, dismissed it and went on
with my day.

(07:40):
But yeah, you know, as I'mchatting with this young lady,
I'm like, oh, like that's.
I don't know when somethinglands.
And it's true, you're like, yeah, that's right, right yeah, yeah
, yeah and you know, and I justsaw her at a, at a psychic fair,
a couple, a couple a coupledays ago, um, we were both
vendors there.
This time it was, it was cooland and she, uh, she's like you

(08:05):
know I, I I was still she's likeI don't.
I don't remember all of my, allmy sessions, but I remember the
one with you and you gave methis look when I said that and I
said really yeah, I said I wantto explain the look.
I said you know, and largelywhen I got on, when I'm telling
the story, it's I stopped therewith.
You know it landed is true.
That and that is true, that wasthe emotional feel I got.

(08:26):
You know this feeling of whatit is.
But I said I want to tell youthe other things that were in my
brain, which was just so.
I met her in March and theSeptember before my wife and I
are out with a friend who had ahealing center in Colorado.
Out with a friend who had ahealing center in Colorado and

(08:47):
for whatever reason we're on thetopic of the healing center and
she had a dog and she had thisanimal communicator come in to
do a reading for the dog and I'mlike, what's an animal
communicator?
What is that?
And she goes.
It's like a but for animals, andI was like that's a thing, like
that's crazy, that's that's.
I had no idea, no clue, just afew months prior, right.
And so I get, I get this, thisbook, this animal communication

(09:13):
book, and I'm like obsessingabout this book, right, I'm just
like having such a good timewith all the stories, and so
like for months I'm justobsessing about this book.
And that was September and inAugust prior this book, and that
was september and in augustprior.
So now we're like going threeor five months, six months back,
um, I had mike, the carpet guycome over, who he's been here
before to clean the carpets andmy job is to get cat one into

(09:36):
this bathroom and cat two intothis bathroom and our little
girl ninja, she got a signal ofsomething going on.
She doesn't like, she doesn'tlike my shit, and and um, and so
now she's hiding and it's hardto find her.
And Mike comes over and I'mstressing about it and I finally
get her and there's this FerrisBueller moment, like she's
coming up the stairs and I'mgoing down the stairs and her

(09:59):
eyes meet Right and and I getahold of her and I'm supporting
her little body with my forearmand I'm walking her down the
stairs and holding her by theneck and supporting a little
body with the forearm and shereacts.
Uh, because I'm stressed, it'sa stressful situation, so she
reacts.
Right, she bites my indexfinger.
Long story short, I go.

(10:20):
I end up in the hospital forfour days because I have a bone
infection in my finger.
Oh my gosh, she really didsomething yeah, yeah, yeah, like
I was sweating over the sink,bleeding over the sink, and I'm
thinking I'm pretty sure this ishow passing out feels oh, my
god, I didn't, I didn't, there'sno passing out.
So, like when she said you know,and you're going to talk to

(10:43):
animals and it's going to beeasy for you, I'm like man, man,
like I've been, like that makessense, emotionally it makes
sense.
And if you only knew about meobsessing about this book,
telling everyone and no one elseis excited about it, I'm the
only one excited.
And and then I'm like, oh yeah,good for you.
Animal communicator, like likeway to go, um, you know, getting

(11:03):
bitten by your own cat andending up in the hospital
because you didn't, because youdidn't pick up the signals, uh
right, yeah and you know, andmedicine comes in many forms you
know, when I was in thehospitals right off the five
here in uh, encinitas, uh, andI'm just watching the traffic
going up and down the five forfour days, right, I'm like what
the hell am I doing in here?

(11:23):
Like why, why am I herewatching everyone going to all
the places that I'm imaginingthem going to?
Uh, right, you know, and sothat was there, was there was
some reckoning that that that Ihad, you know, sitting there
watching all the people going toall the places in my
imagination and wondering whatyou know, like what, why am I?
Why am I sitting here?

(11:44):
So there's a few things that Iwould play.
When she's like talk to animals,it's going to be easy for you,
I was like, yeah, this ishilarious as well.
So, yeah, so that was the startof it, right.
And so she said it'll be easyfor you.
So I go home and I was like,well, I'll just do my typical
meditation that I do.

(12:05):
And I'll just find my living cat, chucky, easy right, and so I
sit down and I do my meditation.
I just I just try to find himand I see this big, bright light
suddenly.
It's a type of light you wouldassociate like spirit guides or
angels or some high level being,and I just missed it.
I was like no, my cat poops ina box and sometimes on the floor
, not a high level of beings.
That's like no, and so I callher, I get in a point with her

(12:25):
and I call her, I go easy, likethis isn't even working and her
feedback was well, you'reexpecting things to show up in
very specific ways and that isnot how this works you get.
You get to be the open channel.
What you get is what you get.
Okay, yeah, but I decided togive it a second shot and I buy
more animal communication booksand I get a couple sessions with
animal communicators, because,as much as I feel like I can do

(12:47):
this right, like I'm totallyfirm about it, but I have no
idea what it looks like, I don'tknow how to do it.
Um and and, as I'm about to getonto a zoom you know a zoom
meeting like this with an animalcommunicator for a session, to
get to get myself a session.
I get up from my dining roomtable and I get this flash of um
, a scene out of return of thejedi, and I see the ghost of

(13:11):
obi-wan and yoda from the end ofthe movie right, and I was like
, oh, this is this, is this iscoming from chucky?
I know it is and he's showingme this student teacher
relationship and the crazy partabout it is that he's the
teacher and I'm the student hereand you just, you just know
what it is when it shows up.

(13:32):
Right.
And now I'm thinking about thatbig bright light, which was the
introduction that I justcompletely blew off, cause,
cause, how could this little catthat poops in a box I like, how
could that possibly be Right?
And then I get on the line withthe animal communicator and she

(13:52):
goes you're here to talk aboutchucky, uh-huh, do you know who
he is?
To you.
And I was like, yeah, he justdid, and now we're talking about
that and how he's here to openme up and and and, and.
So that was, that was thebeginning of it all, yeah oh my
gosh you.

Frank (14:14):
You did a couple things that are close to my heart just
now and, believe it or not, it'sdefinitely not cats.
You, you tied in.
You have a couple of originstories.
You got some star Wars in there, a little Spider-Man.
You got bit by a cat and thengot cat powers.
I mean, I'm a I'm already ahuge fan of your, your origin
story.

Nick (14:37):
It's very cinematic.

Lauren (14:38):
We told our son he's a big Spider-Man fan.

Frank (14:42):
Yeah, oh, that's so cool.

Nick (14:45):
Okay, so don't take the cat's head and like a stapler
and be like but I want to dothat too.
Like, don't do that.

Frank (14:52):
They will oblige.
Oh my gosh, when was the firsttime when you like, actually had
, like I don't know how itpresents for you, I want to say
a conversation with one of yourcats?

Nick (15:01):
Yeah, when you're cats, yeah, so, so things started to
open up for me, uh, and so, likethe the random, the random, uh,
we'll call it acknowledgementfrom the dog at home depot that
I smiled at, and then you getthis energetic connection back
and you're like, oh, that's so,that's how this works now.
Okay, um, and and the and thedolphin in mexico, and like Just

(15:23):
, things started to stack up.

Lauren (15:25):
Wait, wait, wait.

Frank (15:29):
This is.

Lauren (15:30):
I love dolphins.

Frank (15:31):
Everyone's going to have to stand by and let Lauren talk
for 30 minutes now.

Lauren (15:37):
Say more about the dolphin in Mexico.
I asked someone one time one ofour guests if she could hear
dolphin thoughts because shelives on a boat.
And Frank kind of made fun ofme.
But please, please, tell me.

Nick (15:54):
Yeah, so this was, I think .
I think we went there in thefollowing July and so not too
far after COVID.
We didn't go anywhere for along time, so this was our first
time getting on a plane andgoing someplace for fun, for
vacation, after COVID, right,and so we're like kids in the
candy store.
You could do two things in Caboyou can either drink your face

(16:14):
off or you can like be a touristand spend way too much money on
activities, right, and so wewere the latter, yeah, and you
know, boats and snorkeling andcamels, and there's an
opportunity to go swim withdolphin in tanks like SeaWorld,
and my relationship with dolphinhas been open ocean surfing

(16:37):
type of thing.
That's right, and I never likeseeing animals in cages.
I get there's a point, but itdoesn't feel good for me.
You know, ideally they'retemporarily and find a home, and
so those things are revolvingin my brain and and we, finally,
we, finally go, yeah, we'll,we'll go, we'll, we'll go there.
And when we're there, there's a, there's a time over on, like

(17:01):
this little ledge out of thedeep water and the trainer is at
the head of of Liz the dolphin,just feeding her fish, bribing
her to stay put and do the thingwith her tail and whatever,
whatever she's doing Right, andthere's six, totally six people
in our group One, two, three onone side of her, on her
left-hand side, and there's one,two and for whatever reason.

(17:24):
I thought, well, let me justsee, let me see if Liz the
dolphin is game to play.
And and I was like, well, letme just find her.
And I felt the connection.
And then I felt this likeoverwhelming feeling of sad.
And now I'm thinking it'sbecause you live in a cage,
right, like I thought this isyeah, this is why I didn't want

(17:45):
to come.
This is what it is.
But here's the thing, going backto what Adelita said, you get
to be the open channel and partof that is not your narrative.
I don't get to write your story, lauren.
I don't get to write your story.
If I want to know how you feel,I get to ask you why.
And so that's what I did.
I said so why sad?
After I recognized I wasinserting my own story, what I

(18:07):
heard back was family.
Then that was it.
Connection's gone, it's over.
Afterwards I went to my wifeand I said hey, joel, I need to
validate some information.
I went to the trainers and Isaid we had such a great time
with Liz the dolphin, curiouswhat her background is.
Mom, dad, siblings, what'sgoing on with this little

(18:27):
dolphin dolphin?
And yeah, I was told boom,dad's off the planet and I'm
tracking the conversation likewhere, where's where?
What's the thing that'simportant here?
It's not that what about mom?
or or siblings?
Oh, yeah, yeah, mom.
Mom and her sister are rightover there, mom and her sister
are right over there, no, in theother pool.

(18:49):
Oh, the pool that's separatedby a floor-free concrete wall
from the pool that she lives in,oh man.

Lauren (18:56):
No no.

Nick (18:58):
Right and mom and sibling are over there.
Well, how long is why?
And how long?
Well, because when mom had thesecond baby, baby lista wanted
attention from mom because shewas two but mom had to feed baby
.
So we took mom and the baby andput them in the other pool, and
that was three years ago.

(19:19):
This is five oh god right.
So so imagine imagine living ina condo.
Townhome.
Situation, right?
You share a wall with lovedones.
You can never walk out thefront door of your place into
the front door of their place,but you know they live there.
That was her situation.
What a drag, Right?

(19:39):
So the family said, yeah, thatmakes sense.
Yeah, right, so it had nothingto do with her living in this
pool and a cage.
Like I thought about it, it washer situation from her
perspective.
You know the reality of herperspective, which is what this
is all about.

Lauren (19:57):
Wow, oh my God, that that would be such difficult
information to have and then notbe like she's sad.
Liz is sad, please.

Frank (20:08):
Please, yeah, did you like?
Like how open are you?
Were you like?
By the way, I talked todolphins and like cause, not
everyone's going to take that.

Nick (20:16):
Well, you know, I, I, I'm way more open to talk talking
about it now, for, obviously,and at the time, I'm trying to
figure out the world, whichmakes sense and what's
appropriate for conversations,and then and and I don't, I mean
, I would imagine, going backnow I would try to feel like the
situation a little better andgo how productive will this be?
What is this?
Have a chance of beingproductive, right.

(20:38):
And to get my step done, but itdid feel like what's the point
of having this information Ifsomething can't happen from this
, if something productive can'thappen, right.
so yeah I heard about dolphinenergy, reading books or talking
to someone.
I don't remember how ithappened, but I'm and I and I
thought, like that's not what Igot from liz I got.

(20:59):
I didn't get this excitingfeeling from her, I got the sad
feeling, right and um.
And so I I found her the nextday.
I woke up early and I tuned inwith her and the conversation
that I had with her was I mean,you, I understand your situation
and there's a real opportunityto be an ambassador between
animals and humans, and thatthere's a lot of purpose in that

(21:22):
, because people, people reallyneed to be woken up to these
things.
And when I thought the wordpurpose, I felt this little
dolphin just come alive with allthis energy like she didn't
have before, and I thought, oh,that is how you can make a
difference.
It doesn't have to feel like aparlor trick, it doesn't have to
feel like it's not productive.

(21:43):
There is something that you canchange, even in situations that
are not ideal.
So that was, that was learningfor me and for her.
It was super cool.

Lauren (21:53):
That'd be I'm too.
I'm too like emotional for, for, for for dolphin depression.
Sweet little Liz.
Oh, my gosh.

Frank (22:07):
So, from there, what was next in your journey?
Like, what was so?
How did you?
What did you decide to do afterthat?

Nick (22:13):
Yeah, so I would.
I mean so those types of thingswould show up.
I was, um, I volunteered at a,at a horse sanctuary, for about
nine months, and that wasamazing.
Um and then, um, it was supercool.
It was super cool.
Um and then, and then one day abuddy of mine goes, so do you

(22:35):
think you could do this forother people?
And I thought, I don't know noidea.
And so I went on.
I went on to next door, um, youknow, which is, you know,
facebook ish, but but notfriends.
They're strangers.
Same conversations, different,different people.
People, same conversation samerage sometimes.
Yeah, people yelling about stuff, yeah, yeah yeah, let me tell
you why I'm unhappy about athing.

(22:55):
Um, and I went on there and Isaid hi, my name is nick music.
I'm a animal communicator.
That means I psychically talkwith animals.
Uh, click here for free 15minutes, let's see if this is
going to work or not.
And then I started to see, youknow, like this very it wasn't
political, but the same dynamicsthat you would see.

(23:17):
You know, like this guy sucksno, this guy's great.
No, this guy sucks.
No, this guy's great.
Right, I started to see that,but I created it this time, you
know, like, this is crazy.
No, this is awesome, this iscrazy, this is awesome, this is
crazy.
What is this for real?
Now, you should do this.
So I started to see this.
I'm like what did I start?

Lauren (23:30):
what did I just do?

Nick (23:32):
right.
And so I'm having that feelingof oh god, and at the same time
I have this I have a browserwindow open and and I'm
capturing the, the data in um,the form submission in a google
sheet, and so I'm I'm just I'mreally not waiting to see if
someone's going to submit, but Ihave it open, and then I see
the first row fill up with witha woman's first name, last name,

(23:54):
name of the animal, age of theanimal, you know, basic
information, three questions,yeah, and I feel her come
through and I'm like, oh, thisis going to work, this is going
to happen.
This will be fine, this will befine, but I still don't know,
right.
But what I realized is after isthat that was the intention of

(24:18):
her wanting to meet, wanting meto talk with her animal.
That's what I was picking up,right.
And so after 15, 20 minutes,whatever it was that I was
talking with this young ladyno-transcript.

(24:49):
Hey, that was great, thanks,I'd go.
Uh, I mean, maybe, I mean,people say nice things all the
time, but but she's offering upher friend group, right?
She's saying I'm gonna sendpeople to you.
That's different.
I was like, oh, that's, that's,that's what I needed to hear
first time out of the gate.
So that was it.
And now we're off to the raceswow, whoa, oh my gosh.

Lauren (25:11):
Like the first person who's like first?

Nick (25:13):
person.
Yeah, and the right, the rightfeedback, like I got.
I personally got what I neededto hear to go let's do this
that's so cool quick subquestion when you use a term
like off to the races, arehorses offended?

Frank (25:30):
it's hilarious, I don't know okay, we'll follow up later
on that one how do horses feelabout that?
Oh my, goodness are our horseslike woke?

Nick (25:41):
I think they would.
I think they would feelconfused, like we're the ones
off in the races.
What?

Lauren (25:45):
do you think you're doing?

Frank (25:49):
so when you said that you feel, um, you were looking at
your spreadsheet and you felt,you felt her come through, the
intention and the one yeah, forthis need like what.
What does that feel like?
Is it just, is it justemotional for you or is it?
There's some other sense to it?

Nick (26:04):
no, no.
So imagine if you're standingoutside and you're not moving.
You're in a field of sorts atthe beach.
You're at the beach here inCarlsbad, right, and you're just
chilling out, looking over therailing, watching the water and
all of a sudden, because you'requiet and nothing's's

(26:27):
distracting you, you can feelwhen the wind shifts right and
it's just a sudden it's, it'sjust not blowing from this
direction anymore.
It's now blowing from thisdirection and you just pick it
up.
But if you were walking, youwouldn't pick it up.
If you were talking withsomeone, you'd be involved in
something else.
But there's this shift thathappens, and it's that subtle

(26:47):
shift where you go.
Oh, that's, there's somethinggoing on.
What now?
What is going on?
And so that subtle shift in thewind, shall we call it, is what
came through when the womansubmitted.

Frank (27:00):
That's really cool.
I mean, so much of psychism islike being still you know and
and we always talk about it likelike paying attention to subtle
shifts and just being open andavailable to that.

Nick (27:11):
Yeah, yeah, you know.
So I chat with animals and Iwork with people on their
intuition and do some othercoaching, and 80% of all that
work is really working on self,because you can't help anyone
else if you're not willing tolike step into things that

(27:32):
you're going to get dirty andright, like make yourself feel
uncomfortable and work throughthose things.
Treat yourself well, eat well,sleep well, like you.
If you're not doing thosethings, you got nothing to offer
anyone else yeah right, yeah Imean even you.

Frank (27:45):
Just talking about the story of like posting on next
door, I felt a a little bit oflike oh no, you're out there now
.

Nick (27:52):
Yeah, I do know what you mean.
Yeah, yeah, Cause you know, youknow I've been.
I've been in the SEO digitalmarketing world since 2003 at
least, and and as I hit thatpost, you know, my internal
narrative again is oh shit, Likeif I say this, will people
still pay me for that?

Lauren (28:13):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Nick (28:16):
And that's one of the things I had to get over and go.
Well, that's not part of this.
It's just I can make it as muchof a part of it as I want to.
Also, it's no part of this.
It doesn't belong here, rightyeah?

Lauren (28:33):
It's funny because we talk about like I mean, frank is
learning Reiki and I learnedReiki and then gave him his
first two placements.

Frank (28:47):
I was riding her coattails for a while she's a
Reiki master and she was likeI'll tune you.
I'm like sure, whatever.
And like now I'm like you know,I do this with the kids
sometimes to help them fallasleep.
But now I'm like, okay, I'm,I'm actually going to be a
practitioner myself.

Lauren (29:03):
So I'm, I'm now think I want to be like a one-on-one
practitioner and he's like thatactually sounds kind of great.
So anyway, but it's funnybecause just what you said, like
we're artists, creatives andyou know filmmakers, and it's
funny how we had this.
Like when I first learned Reiki, I was like, does this mean I

(29:27):
can't do the other stuff If I doReiki, can I not like do you
know writing or filming?

Frank (29:35):
It's fart jokes, yeah, yeah.

Lauren (29:41):
And it is like you can do all of it.
It can be, you can make it whatyou want and yeah, that just
resonated what you said.

Frank (29:49):
Yeah, yeah, perfect.
Fart jokes hit SEO real wellthese days.
That's a hot topic, that is ahot topic.

Nick (29:55):
It's a universal thing.

Lauren (29:57):
I encourage it.
It's all with Reiki too.

Frank (30:03):
Are you still in the SEO world?
I am.

Nick (30:06):
I am.
But yeah, you know, a lot offocus is put on this work and
getting out there and havingthese conversations.

Lauren (30:13):
Yeah, yeah, so okay, when you now I've heard like
animal communicators and I knowlike for everybody information
comes in in different ways.
Like you know, I'm clairaudientor I'm clairvoyant or whatever,
how, now that you're like in it, how does information come

(30:39):
through for you?
Do you hear like words?

Nick (30:42):
Yeah, so you just like know.
Sometimes.
So let's back up to the aspectsof the animal, and when I say
animal, we're including thatRight.
A lot of people go oh look atall the animals.
You're one dude.
Just because you have thumbsand credit cards doesn't make
you anything less than that.

(31:02):
Let's don't separate.
That's how problems get startedRight there's there's the
higher self, there's thepersonality and there's the body
, and so those are the aspectsof the animal that are available
for communicating in one way oranother.
The ways those aspects may show,for me specifically, is hearing

(31:28):
things.
It me specifically, is hearingthings.
It's funny, hearing things,seeing things and feeling things
largely is how it shows up.
So hearing things, sometimesit's sort of in a voice I don't
recognize.
Maybe it's a version of my own,I don't really know, but I'll
hear something.
Sometimes it'll be of in avoice I don't recognize.

(31:49):
Maybe it's a version of my own,I don't really know, but I'll
hear something.
Sometimes it'll be the client'svoice, the human that I'll hear
Sometimes I'll hear this was ayoung lady who was in I think
she was in New York and when herdog came through it had this
boston accent and like and likethe attitude to go with it too.

(32:16):
Like no shit, like like I waslike okay, I'll pay attention,
got it okay, okay, um and um.
And so when I got her on theline and I started to just, you
know, shape the framework of, ofthe information for her.
I said so before we get started, your dog, your dog, talked

(32:36):
with a Boston accent.
Does that mean anything to you?
And she said well, you know, Ihave spent time in Boston.
I'm like so, you know, you knowthe attitude of the people you
like, you know that feeling.
She's like oh yeah, I know itRight, so it was relevant for
her, so it was cool, how like toto have her now imagine this
information coming through withthat attitude, with that, you

(32:57):
know, straightforwardness, causethat's how the dog presented it
was.
It was great.

Frank (33:01):
There is like a social personality to that accent, so
like that's very funny.

Lauren (33:09):
That's very funny.
That's very funny that would behelpful, I got a number.

Nick (33:13):
You like apples?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, itwas great, it was, it was so
much fun, uh, but yeah, sotypically that seeing and
hearing and feeling is how itshows up.
Like it like sometimes whenpeople show up, like it just
happened at the psychic fairthis weekend like when someone
shows up and it's very emotionalfor them, like it hit just like
with Liz the dolphin like ithits me and I'm just like, oh my
God, like I feel a way for amoment and then it has to flush

(33:37):
out of my body and then I'm likethis is a very emotional thing
for you, lauren, and you're likeright, even if you weren't
emotional again with it, there'sa recognition of that emotion.

Lauren (33:49):
Do you get information about, like do they tell you
information about their pastlives, or like anything like
that?
Or is it what is currentlyhappening, like here's why I am
sick or here's why I feelanxious?

Nick (34:05):
Yeah, you know I would love to get into the Akashic
records and I think that's thething I'll step into, but right
now it's very much this life andthis home Like a lot of folks
want to go.
Where did the animal come from?
Let me know?
And very few times it's beenrelevant.
There is one time it wasrelevant was because the young

(34:28):
lady I was talking to she woulddo something that triggered the
animal with the PTSD the animalhad from the prior home and
she's like I don't understand.
Like why does the dog go underthe table and won't go outside
when I open the door and mostanimals will go.

(34:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talkabout this home, let's talk
about the now, but for this oneit was she's doing the behavior
she's exhibiting.
even though it's not aggressivethere's no malintent it looks
like the prior behavior thatdidn't work for this animal,

(35:10):
like the prior behavior thatthat didn't work for this animal
, and so that was that wasrelevant for her relationship
with this animal in this home,and so that's why that came up.

Lauren (35:17):
Yeah, oh wow.
Stop stop doing whatever istriggering that.
That's right.

Nick (35:20):
Yeah, but I do get, and this is like you know, I'll get
folks coming to me and and a lotfolks they have these feelings
of my dog pass.
I feel like I have thisconnection and and and and.
So sometimes it's that type ofconversation that shows up and
validating folks and theirfeelings on things and they feel

(35:41):
better.
It's a real thing for a lot ofpeople and I recognize that as
helpful.
And I recognize that as helpful.
And the ones where I get offthe line and I'm like oh man,
from a skeptical perspective,because I am, I like to hear the
details of things, right.
And so there was a young ladylike Australia.

(36:02):
I want to say I'm big inAustralia.
I'm not, but it feels that way.
When people from Australia showup, you're like I'm big in
Australia, yeah, big deal.
I'm not, but it feels that way.
When people from Australia showup, you're like I'm big in
Australia, yeah.
But I had a young lady fromAustralia show up and her
question I asked folks for threequestions.

(36:22):
One of her questions was if Iget a new couch, will the cat
pee on the couch like it did theold?

Frank (36:29):
couch.

Nick (36:37):
And my typical process for a while has been talk with the
animal on Wednesday, debriefwith the human on a Friday, and
so I'll tune into the animal andI'll just spreadsheet away and
take notes and take notes andtake notes.
And one of the things that Itook note on was it was table
comma glass, was the note that Itook.
So when she gets on the line,I'm going through the notes and
I'm like you got to help me outwith this one.
I don't know if there's a tableon a glass, I don't know if

(36:58):
it's a glass table, I don't knowwhat it is, but what I heard
was table comma glass and shegoes.
Well, I broke up with aboyfriend about a year ago.
I got rid of everything thatwas his.
The one thing that I've beenholding onto and I've been
meaning to get rid of it is thisglass table and I was like, oh,

(37:22):
this is great, like this, thisis super cool when this happens.

Frank (37:27):
And.

Nick (37:28):
I said you know I don't, I can't guarantee no one.
Can you know?
People are people, they dopeople things.
Dogs doy things, dogs do dogthings.
Cats do cat things.
Will the cat pee on the couch?
I don't know, but I wouldhighly suggest getting rid of
that glass table before you getthis new couch, and also let's
talk about the couch that thecat peed on you had this when

(37:50):
your boyfriend was there, Didyou guys sit on the couch at
night watching TV?
Was it you?
Was it him?
She's like he would sprawl outon this couch.
I was relegated to this littlechair off to the side of it.

Lauren (38:04):
Oh wow, oh my gosh.

Nick (38:07):
Okay.
So there's this modelingbehavior of like, get this out
of that, get him fully out ofthe house, and here's how we're
going to do that.
I will use everything at mydisposal.
I will pee on this couch Right.
So get rid of the table, thenget the couch.

Lauren (38:31):
I feel like our cat Gigi , probably had a lot of things
to say to you.
You were so such a not a catperson can I the?

Frank (38:44):
truth is they made me not a cat person.
I was a fine animal person.
I love animals and I was likeoh, what are these guys doing?
My cat was a just a person.
I love animals and I was likeoh, what are these guys?

Lauren (38:54):
doing.
My cat was just a nuisance.
He was so cute and he had thebest personality but he would
pee on my stuff, like beforeFrank and I even got together.
He just like peed on everythingall the time.
And Frank would be like why dopeople have have cats?
And then we had these cats forlike 10 more years.

(39:17):
They lived one of them, helived till he was 17, the other
one lived till she was 19 andthen the other one lived till
she was 20 and frank just muchto frank's dismay, like he's
super allergic.
But it's pretty funny.

Frank (39:33):
We we should have I need a disclaimer of nick, that's
just my.
I treated them very nicely.
I, I did.
I wouldn't.
When lauren was pregnant I didall their boxes all the time.
I had a schedule.
It was very.
It was spick and span there, um, but yeah, I think you know,
because before we got there wasa little bit of upheaval in your
life, so maybe I'm sure I meanfrom my experience and I don't

(40:00):
talk to animals the cats hold onto a lot of emotion.

Nick (40:07):
So, yeah, so let's talk about that, right, so?

Frank (40:09):
yeah.

Nick (40:11):
And so this, this is so.
People come to me because of a3d problem.
Right, my, my cat's peeing onthe couch.
What, what happens if I get anew couch?
Will it do it?
Will that happen again?
My dog's biting people, Can youtell them to stop, Right?
So, generally speaking, peoplecome to me for one of those

(40:32):
behavioral type of problems andthe conversation typically takes
a right-hand turn and it's likehey, Lauren, so let's talk
about the thing.
Right?
And you're like but I came toyou because my cat was peeing on
my bag, Nick.
And I'm like, yeah, we'retalking about that.

Lauren (40:48):
It's all happening.

Nick (40:50):
So here's the example.
So young lady comes to me andshe says my dog is biting people
.
I, I, I have people come overand this little chihuahua is
just diving at their ankles.
I can't, I don't, I can't bringpeople over anymore.
The dog's biting their ankles.
Tell the dog to stop doing that, all right?
Well, my promise is I will havethe conversation, I will ask

(41:12):
the questions.
I can't guarantee anyone'sbehavior changing, that's just.
You can't tell someone to dothe thing if they don't want to
do the thing.
It's not how this works.
Any of this works.
And I said but I'll have theconversation.
And so I tune into this littlechihuahua.
And the chihuahua says you needto ask her about her job.
Well, why?

(41:32):
Because that's what has tochange.
Okay.
So I get her on the line and shesays did you talk to my dog?
Did you tell him to stop bitingpeople?
Well, what did you talk about?
What do you do for a living?
I'm unemployed, you're notunemployed.

(41:54):
How do you make money?
Well, I'm you.
Talk about what do you do for aliving?
I'm unemployed, you're notunemployed.
How do you make money?
Well, I'm a private driver.
Ubers and limousines.
How's that working out for you.
Well, you know, my back is allbanged up after about an hour or
two driving around.
It's very irritated and mydoctor tells me I shouldn't even

(42:14):
be driving.
Oh, okay.

Lauren (42:18):
And I tell her what the dog says.

Nick (42:20):
And as I'm telling her what the dog said, I get this
quick flash of roses.
I go, what do you do with roses?
And she says well, I paintroses on bosses and I give them
away.
Oh, this is fascinating.
Let's take a look at these twopieces of information.
One, and she comes in hot intothis meeting Like she's.
She's not a happy person andI'm like oh, right, how's this

(42:43):
going to work?

Frank (42:43):
The ankle biting has to stop.

Nick (42:45):
That's what she's after yeah.
Yeah, she's just not well, she'snot self.
And what's happening is the dogis going.
I'm just going to show you whoyou are.
It's a mirroring behavior withthe dog.
Wow, right, you're angry.
I'm going to show you whatangry looks like.
Here we go, and so I tell herwhat's.

(43:05):
You know what, what the dogsays?
And I go let's take a look atthese two pieces of information.
You know one?
Uh, causing your pain bringsyou down, right, not a whole lot
of benefit there.
And then there's this otherthing brings you up, and not
only brings you up, but you giveit away to other people and you
bring them up too.
So less of this thing over hereand more of this thing over

(43:28):
here.
So that's, that was the andthat's the advice from the dog.
Right, I'm just seeing it andgoing.
Here's what it all means.

Lauren (43:36):
Wow, did you ever hear from her again?
I didn't but here's the coolthing about this one.

Nick (43:46):
It was like the next week, someone shows up and I was like
, who is this?
And I asked folks, how did youhear about me?
And they mentioned a name thatI was like that, who is this?
And I asked folks like, how didyou hear about me?
Um, and, and they mentioned aname that I was like that's
familiar, but I can't place it.
And I go back into my, myspreadsheet, where I take the
notes and I have everyone'sinformation, and I was like, oh,
that's the, that's thechihuahua lady with the with the

(44:07):
bitey dog.
Oh, I had no idea.
And so she obviously talked tosomeone and I don't know what
her take on, was it?
But someone was like thatsounds cool, I'm going to go.

Lauren (44:17):
Yeah.

Nick (44:18):
And so, yeah, I got a referral out of it.
So, okay, yeah, that's as goodas a glowing review Right,
that's right, that's right.

Lauren (44:24):
You know, like these animals when you hear these
stories, like they're so wise,they're like picking up on this
information that is so to thehuman, like, duh like, and it's,
it's weird how the reaction, Idon't know, like this dog is

(44:44):
biting people's ankles becausethe energy probably in the house
is not great it's angry yeah,that's right.
That's so fascinating I.

Frank (44:57):
I actually have kind of a macro question related to that.
Do all animals know that theycan talk to you, or is it more
of like, is it more of a um, Idon't know?
Is communication just like this, like universal thing that all
things are doing all the timeand it's just a matter of we are
telling ourselves that, like,these things can't communicate

(45:20):
with us?

Lauren (45:20):
Or like, yeah, if you tune into it, then you're like
picking up almost like this,this flowing channel of
information.

Nick (45:27):
I think it's all of those things.
Yeah, I think all the thingsare communicating all the time,
in whatever way they do it, andall the time may be too much.
But, yes, right, I think, fromtheir perspective, having
someone who can communicate withthem a human specifically,

(45:49):
that's not typical.
So they're like, oh, and now ahuman is part of this.
That's cool.

Lauren (45:56):
Yeah.

Nick (45:59):
And the reality of it is, I think we all have something
available to us, whether it'sReiki or mediumship, or animals
or trees or people, I don't knowbut this is available for all
of us in some way or another.
It's just a matter of doing thework, um, and, and let things

(46:19):
unfold and have it show up right.
So here's here's for folkslistening and they're like I
don't know what that means andand I'm interested, but I don't,
I'm not quite sure.
Here's my basic framework, um,and, and I, and I sort of got it
to some degree from a um, froma surfer in hawaii.
So I go to hawaii, I get thesurfing lesson from, uh, from a

(46:41):
world champion he was.
He lives on the island, and Iget the surfing lesson and I
think his name is uncle brian,who set up this, the surfing
lesson, and he goes I gotsomething for you.
I'm like like okay, and he'slike are you available?
It picks up the phone Are youavailable?
When can you be here?
30 minutes work for you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 30minutes, you'll see in 30
minutes.

(47:01):
He's like you know who SonnyGarcia is.
And I was like yeah, I know whoSonny is.
Yeah, I mean, I go, I'mprojecting my life in Hawaii,
living out of a car with with asurfboard right, cause I'm like

(47:23):
I would only want to surf theentire time I'm here, like what
else would you possibly do?
Yeah, although they just surfall the time and and I go.
I bet you surf like all thetime and he goes like I.
I train every day, I'm in thegym, I'm on the mountain bike
and when contests come, wherethe waves are good, I'm surfing.

(47:46):
It's like, oh, okay, so there'straining days and then there's
game days.
Okay, so in my world there'straining days, meditation every
day, and then there's game days,actually the times you talk
with the animal.
So that's the basic rhythm ofgetting this going is having a

(48:07):
meditation practice and then theapplication of that vibration.

Lauren (48:12):
Oh, that's a great analogy.

Frank (48:13):
That's actually kind of awesome, yeah everyone's got to
meditate more, it's just nomatter what you do like, no
matter what practice you're in,you just got to meditate more
and get still and like findcenter yeah, the quiet that you
talk about is so importantthat's it 100 yeah that's the
secret, all of this it is itreally?
it really seems like it is.

(48:34):
Yeah, especially now that I'mback in the phase of, like you
know, being a student oflearning, of learning Reiki, and
I'm like I'm following someoneelse's you know um, like
syllabus essentially of like howthey, what their introduction
to things were, and I'm justlike, oh yeah, like everyone's
talking about meditating againand we're just like we used to
talk about meditating on theshow all the time, like it was

(48:56):
such a thing, and then we, likeyou know, get into the weeds and
talk about other things, but atthe foundation of it all, it
really is just meditating.

Lauren (49:04):
Yeah, I love that.

Frank (49:09):
Let me ask you this have you noticed or sensed different
communication styles betweenspecies?
Like are all, like do all, doall the boston terriers have a
boston accent.
Put it that way um, I haven't.

Nick (49:27):
Well, here are the things that I have noticed like dolphin
energies are very real thing.
Like that very exciting energyis very real thing.
Um, chihuahuas present, atleast for me, the same way they
do in 3d, like they are soexpressive and I remember
talking to a little, a littlechihuahua and I'm like man,

(49:47):
they're so expressive and sowhen you're, when the
communication is happening,thoughts are going back and
forth, right.
So I'm hearing these thingscoming through and I'm taking
notes and I and I think tomyself, man, chihuahuas are so
expressive and this little doggoes yeah, but I'm pretty okay,
right, okay, yeah, you are okaytalking to the personality you

(50:07):
are pretty pretty little puphorses are extremely healing.
That's what we've heard yeahabsolutely, and that was that
was my nine months with them.
I'm like this is amazing, likeit's therapeutic to be around
you guys like all the time as I,as I'm cleaning up poop
therapeutic, yeah, um, cats.

(50:29):
Cats are like sort of likesneaky in this way, where you're
like I'll connect with them.
And then I'm like where are you?
And it's like, well, like youfeel the connection and you're
like, but where are you?
And it's like, oh, you're likeyou're sitting right here.
How long have you been here?

Lauren (50:49):
That just feels so true, that's so funny.

Nick (50:52):
Dogs, not not recently, recently, but in the past I
would see them like at this, atthe back of a yard, by the fence
, and they would.
They would run up to have theconversation oh, what's the
weirdest pet has is there.

Lauren (51:09):
Has there been a weird one that you've been asked to
communicate with like like asalamander?

Nick (51:17):
You know no, Dogs and cats are the norm.

Lauren (51:23):
No one's bird or anything, not yet.

Nick (51:27):
Not yet.

Lauren (51:27):
Yeah.

Nick (51:28):
No, but my experience was talking with oh, this was a good
one, oh, my goodness, I meanI've talked, talked to in my own
experience, uh, the dog at homedepot, that the dolphin snakes
when I'm hiking I can, I can seethe energy of the, of the trail
that they create, that that washappening for years before your
slytherin.
Yeah, yeah, sort of that washappening for years before the

(51:51):
animals actually showed up and Iwas like what is going on here?
Oh, that's cool, yeah, yeah.
And there was one morning thiswas amazing and this is like the
when Adelita said you got to be, just be the open channel.
What you get is what you getand how you get it is how you
get it Right.
And so there's this one morning.
We're right off La Costa Ab.

(52:12):
So if you guys know thegeography, it's we're on the
south side, the south side of LaCosta, and we overlook,
overlook the road, and thenthere's units on the other side
and then there's the golf course, right.

Lauren (52:26):
Yeah.

Nick (52:29):
It's a lot of coyote activity on the golf course and
one morning my wife wakes uplike 4 am, our screen doors is
the sliding glass doors, openscreen doors there, and she gets
out of bed and that wakes me upa little bit and she goes over
to the door.
I can see her and I'm halfasleep and I'm like what is
going on here?
And then I started to hear it.
I started to hear the coyotesand I was like, oh, that's a

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gorgeous sound.
Yeah, that's cool.
And then when I started I'mstill looking at her but what
I'm starting to see are thesesix little energetic bodies,
blue and white, and when thecoyotes would howl, getting to
that, that that high pitch sound, I would see these bubbles
coming off of these littlebodies.
I would see these bubblescoming off of these little
bodies.
I'm like this is amazing, thisis unbelievable.

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I woke up at like six in themorning and I'm just sketching
out this little thing waitingfor her to wake up.
I'm like this is what I sawlast night.
This was it.

Frank (53:25):
Do the other coyotes like ?
Do you think that they can seethat too?

Nick (53:42):
Is it like a coyote smoke signal that everyone like
responds to, or like a comicbook?
I don't, I mean I don't, uh,I'm gonna go with the no.
But I think they're way moreattuned to uh, the energy and
that type of dynamic betweenthem, way more than we are on a
daily basis.
I mean, I think we have to haveto try, like we have, to get
ourselves there.
I think it's more natural forthem.

Frank (54:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Lauren (54:03):
I love that you went to this psychic fair and now you're
part of the psychic fair.

Frank (54:10):
You went as a skeptic and now it's true?

Lauren (54:14):
has your wife just been like well, this is, this is nick
.
Now like what a fun journey tojust be, like I guess I hear
animals and now I'm just doingthis you know there's, there was
an adjustment period in thehouse, for sure.

Nick (54:34):
Yeah, I had to adjust to what I'm going to say, how I'm
going to say it, do I want tosay it?
Who do I say it to?
Right, like and I remember herbeing when I was telling her
this she's like you're going totell people what and here's the

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part of it like it's, um, therewas no getting away from it,
there was no not doing it.
My, my, my emotional health waswhen I wasn't, when I was like
what do I do with this?
When I was sort of loopingaround, like how do I express
this thing and what is?
I don't know?
Uh, my mental health, myemotional health, was just not,
wasn't going in the directionthat I wanted to go in.
Yeah, and then, once I startedto act on it, uh, different,

(55:24):
better, you know things, thingsstart to change.

Frank (55:28):
Yeah, it's very funny because I found myself in the
middle of this journey as welland that, um, sometimes you just
, sometimes you just got to workwith what's being given to you.
You know, like, as someone whouh, tends to try and like, I
want, I want some semblance ofcontrol over like what I do,

(55:51):
some semblance of control overlike what I do.
Like I'm in a space right nowwhere, like I kind of I must get
into like Reiki work and mylife before that where I was
like doing corporate stuff.
It wasn't, it wasn't good, itwasn't good for me and I did it
for way too long and I'm stillworking through some of that.

(56:12):
I don't want to call it trauma,because some people have, you
know, more violent trauma thanthat.
Mine is the trauma of extremeboredom, but yeah, and like,
since making this transition,I'm like so much better and I
don't know like it, it almostspeaks towards that, like that
soul contract stuff of justneeding to work with that energy
that's coming in.

Nick (56:30):
And I do believe that's what it is.
You said yes, right Like you.
You said yes, and now we'rehere, and so I'm going to have
to hold you to that Right, likesomeone, someone's holding you
to account, and now's the timeto go.
We waited a long time and nowand now we're going and now

(56:50):
we're going, now we're in it.
But you're still not sure.
So let's work on that part,Right?
And you're like this is awful.
It's like, well, if you justsaid yes, it wouldn't be awful.
Just say yes.

Frank (57:05):
Yeah, exactly.

Lauren (57:07):
That's so true.
It's hard Just say yes.

Frank (57:10):
It's hard.
As a person, you want a.
As a person, you want to like.
You know you want to.
Everyone wants to have,everyone wants to do the thing
that we're told to do.
On the Ted talks, like, oh yeah, I have a 10 year, I have a 50
year longterm goal and I'm goingto retire by I'm 30.
Cause everything's going to goexactly the way I planned, you
know, and like as if nothing'sgoing to happen, that's out of

(57:33):
the plan in the middle of allthat, and that you're not going
to have like waning or differentinterests along the way.
Yeah.
Or that someday a dolphin isgoing to talk to you and you're
going to be like well, how isthis going to affect my rise in
SEO and marketing?

Nick (57:50):
Yeah, I need to readjust this plan.

Frank (57:59):
I'm looking at my spreadsheet.
I don't see dolphin anywhere inhere.
Like that's a big shift.
It's a big shift to make.

Nick (58:06):
It's not fit between steps five and six.

Frank (58:11):
And, like Nick, I want to like you, you know I'm always
wanting to like applaud peoplewho like went with it and like
tried it out and see where itwent, and then like did the
risky thing and like put it outonline and and next door of all
places next door the, the lion'sden seemed like a good idea at
the time, but, but it was.

Nick (58:32):
It was a great idea.

Lauren (58:33):
You got your group that you know started the whole thing
.

Frank (58:37):
They were there, and that's another thing.
That's another part of thelesson, right, like they were
there waiting for you and hadyou not made that choice, they
would not have found you andthat means you were withholding
you from them.

Lauren (58:53):
Yeah, your, your special magic.

Nick (58:56):
Yeah, you know, and I sort of went through this and I'd
love to share, like a anotheranimal story from, if we have
time, from from, yeah, so I sortof went through this with, like
SEO, like it's such a garbageindustry.
It's, it is.
It has a checkered reputationfor very, very good reasons, and
I never really want to be apart of that circulation of

(59:17):
voices.
And I remember telling someonesomething like this and they
said well, here's what you'redoing, nick.
If what you're saying is trueand there is a checkered
reputation and the folks who arewilling to speak up are the
ones who lack integrity, you'renot giving anyone a choice.
You're allowing that to happenby not stepping into it and
saying the things you want tosay.

(59:37):
And I was like, oh don't, Idon't get this conversation and
and this person was right, andthey were right, right, like,
what shows up is what shows up,and if you're not part of the
consideration set, then you'renot at a choice point for anyone
, right, and so same same thingwith with the animals, like, and
I had to step into that.

(59:58):
Um, we were just chatting aboutyou know that that 30-year plan
that's going to go off withouta hitch right never happens,
right.
And and there's this.
There's this wonderful book by Ithink his name is to me I'm
forgetting his first name, buthis last name is to me
T-O-M-M-E-Y, and it's.

(01:00:19):
The book is called Kingdom ofPlay and in it he's talking
about these little piglets thatare being studied in this
controlled environment.
And the researchers arewatching these little piglets
run around and they're newborns,and he's running at full speed,
and then they belly flop andthen they get up and start

(01:00:41):
running at full speed again.
It's flat ground, it's you knowenvironment, and they're like
that was a mistake.
And then they keep seeing thebehavior.
This is not.
This is intentional.
What are they doing?
And then they keep seeing thebehavior.
This is intentional, what arethey doing?
And they came to the conclusionthat these little piglets in
this controlled environment arenot experiencing what they would
in the wild.
In the wild there's trees,there's divots in the ground,

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there's places.
They will fall.
It's not a straightaway.
They're not going to go 100miles an hour.
It will go at a certain pace,very fast, but then they're
going to eat it.
Right, they're going to tripand fall.
And he's like they're planningon failure.
They're planning on gettingaway from the predators and

(01:01:27):
after they fail Right, they'retripping and falling and they're
planning on getting up.
That's the plan.
They're actually working on it.
And so when people are likespirit animal buffalo, lion,
tiger- Sure.
Also piglet, piglet they are.
They are working a solutioninto the problem that is going

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to happen.

Lauren (01:01:53):
We don't do that.

Nick (01:01:55):
We go 30 years, a million dollars Awesome, let's do it
Right.

Frank (01:01:59):
Yeah, that's so funny.
The piglets are out there withthe big tires doing the training
, the high knees thing.
You know the football playersare doing that flopping,
flopping in the mud and pigletson the on the monkey bars.

Lauren (01:02:12):
Yeah.

Frank (01:02:14):
That flopping flopping in the mud and piglets on the on
the monkey bars.
Yeah, that's wild, that is true.
Like just for to have noobstructions in their way and to
train for a fall and a get up.

Lauren (01:02:19):
That's I mean yeah, I guess I got piglet, energy but
it's so funny because like thatfeels like opposite of I don't
know, I guess positive, likemanifestation or something,

(01:02:44):
because if you're like I'm going, I'm going to fail at some
point.
Like it's almost like you'retelling yourself you will, I'm
having I just don't think aboutit that way.

Nick (01:03:01):
I think about it as like there's going to be like the
shit's going to show up, right?
I mean, the shit is largely thelessons, right that?
We're here to that.
We're here to that, we're hereto learn.
So I'd rather be on the rightpath, planning to get back up
because that's, we're all gonnafall, we're all gonna trip and

(01:03:22):
fall, we're all gonna have baddays, it's all gonna happen,
right?
Yeah it.
For me, it seems to be theperson who gets up the most
tends to win for themselves.
They're the ones still standingat the end of the day.
There's the, they're the and,and sometimes there's nine
people that start the day, andthen there's one person at the

(01:03:43):
end of the day because theychose to get up repeatedly,
because because they're justresolved in in terms that right
path.

Lauren (01:03:53):
One little piglet.

Nick (01:03:55):
One little piglet can change the world.
It's true.

Frank (01:04:00):
I think it is the thing of like.
you know, when we are trying tobe adaptive to our environments,
right, and we're trying to like, manifest what we want, you
imagining like if something goeswrong, you feel like you're
manifesting a problem yeah butthen, at the same time, you look
at people who, like, excel insports and stuff and like you're
, like you're talking about nick, like it's the, it's the

(01:04:21):
training and the anticipation ofan issue, and then the fact
that you're going to get back up, and at what point, at what
point, is a challenge, a hardstop versus the thing that, like
, reinforces your, your vigorand like, that nuance is a is a
difficult thing to navigate,right.

Lauren (01:04:39):
Yeah.

Frank (01:04:39):
And I don't have an answer for that, but I think,
like an individual person mighthave to really assess what's?
What's you pushing too hard for?
Something that, like, you'retrying to make happen that
shouldn't happen, versus whatyou like.
What's a road bump that's goingto, like I said, trying to make
happen that shouldn't happen,versus what you like.
What's a road bump that's goingto, like I said, like, make you
stronger, because now you knowthis is right, yeah.

Nick (01:04:58):
That's great, yeah, perfect.

Frank (01:05:00):
But I think anticipating that, that, like potential, the
speed bump is a great thing.

Lauren (01:05:07):
Yeah.

Frank (01:05:07):
That, that it's not you being like blindly positive, or
what do we call you.
It's not you being like blindlypositive, or what do we call
you?

Lauren (01:05:13):
A dangerously optimistic .
I call myself dangerouslyoptimistic sometimes.

Frank (01:05:16):
Like you are saying like okay.
It'll be fine, everything willbe fine, and I'm like well, what
happens if this, like I planahead, sometimes to a detriment,
right, and and like goingthrough those things, going
through like the how does this,if this happens and there's a
high possibility of thathappening you know of, uh, some
like little hiccup, like howdoes that affect my optimism?

(01:05:38):
Am I going to feel great aboutit still, and and and.
If you want it enough and thathiccup doesn't affect your
optimism, then like that's,that's just a beneficial
challenge, that's the thing thatmakes you stronger, I think.

Lauren (01:05:51):
Yeah.

Frank (01:05:51):
But so animals?

Lauren (01:05:54):
piglets in the mud piglets flopping around.

Frank (01:05:57):
I love that they're saying move, move, move, get out
people.
That's how piglets talk.
They're all army, they're drillsergeants and you wouldn't
expect it let's go, people nick,yes, well before, I was going
to have you like give all yourpitches and your links and
everything, but is thereanything else you'd like to
throw in?

Nick (01:06:16):
Yeah, you know, I would say for anyone, anyone who is
still in the conversation, right, if you got this far in the, in
the, in the recording, thenyou're here for a reason Like X.
I don't think accidents are athing, there's no.
There's no such thing ascoincidence, no such thing as
accidents.
Everything is very on purpose.
Everything is intentional.
And so if you got here, if theconversation is interesting, if

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animals are interesting, cool.
If you're like I don't know,but what that guy said about
Reiki, that's cool.
If you're like I don't like anyof these things, I want to go
do yoga, great, perfect.
But go find the thing.
Go find the thing that's goingto help you get down on this
path and start to move on thepath.
It doesn't matter what it isand don't stress too much about
it.
Like, go into a crystal story.

(01:07:01):
Like you're overwhelmed withwhat, what are all the crystals
and the sizes and the shapes andthe meanings of.
Find the one you like.
Like, just go for the one youlike, right, and so same thing.
There's so many disciplines,there's so many methodologies.
Just start someplace.

Frank (01:07:22):
If this is, if this broad conversation is interesting,
start someplace.
I love that.
It is true.
It is such a good point becauseI'm sure, if I mean I mean you
read when you, when you weretold about like oh, you're going
to be able to talk to animals,you picked up a bunch of books,
but I mean I'm sure that helpedwith like some of the exposure,
but did any of the thing youread in these, read in the books
, like help you once you werelike out in the field and like
talking to animals?

Nick (01:07:42):
no, and maybe if I go back to them now, I can pick up some
things and go, oh, that's, thatwould be a helpful technique,
or what I imagine.
That's true, but what thosebooks served for me at the time
was to be excited about thisthing, like I was.
I loved reading the stories.
I loved it, uh, and I still do.
Um, yeah, but, and that thatwas the benefit for me.

(01:08:06):
Yeah, so, and really it's like,it's like, it's that, it's that
um instinct of like, like.
If you follow your instinct oflike without any attachment,
without any meaning, just likethe joy of like.
There's a lot to be said forthat and, in hindsight, I can
say that in hindsight I can go.

Lauren (01:08:27):
That's what those books were doing for me yeah, we like
to say frank and I to say butare you jazzed about it?
If you want to do something,does it light you up, are you
jazzed?
And then we're like, okay, Ifeel jazzed about this, let's do
it.

Frank (01:08:44):
In a spiritual community, that that that like translates
to follow your sacral yes or no.
Yeah, but are you jazzed?
Is the Frank and Lauren version?
Yeah, hey, we could do this.
Should we do this?
We could, but are you jazzed?
That's the whole thing.
Awesome, that's cool, nick.
Thank you so much for your timetoday, man.

(01:09:05):
I really appreciate it.
It was a great chat.
Can you give everybody yourplugs and tell them where to
find you?

Nick (01:09:09):
Yeah, yeah yeah.
You can find me at Nick Musica.
That's N I C K M U S I C acom.
Hit me up for an animal readingIf you're interested in
developing your intuition.
I work with folks around thatas well.

Frank (01:09:23):
Awesome.
All right, man.
Hey, we should.
We'll probably see you at apsychic fair.
We haven't, like, looked up anylocal ones.
Did we just miss a big one, or?

Nick (01:09:34):
there was one in San Diego , though It'll be happening
again in November so beautiful,that's a good time.
Yeah, I'll send you guys thelink and there's a bunch of
shows on there.
I'll tell you guys the linkyeah, yeah Um amazing.
Right down the street Do you doamazing?

(01:09:55):
Right down the street do youguys drink coffee.

Lauren (01:09:57):
Do you like good coffee?

Nick (01:09:58):
yes, we do.
Okay, we should go to meet up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, lofty coffeeis like, it's like the place
where people go for meetings and, like you know, oh, I haven't
heard of that me neither.
That's fun.
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, let's do it.

Frank (01:10:10):
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