September 4, 2025 • 55 mins
Have you ever felt completely disconnected from your spiritual practice? Life transitions can leave us adrift, overwhelmed, and questioning if we’ll ever find our way back. In this episode, Lauren opens up about her recent struggles after a big move—the overwhelm, the guilt, and the way even simple practices felt impossible when her nervous system was running on overdrive.
We unpack the difference between motivation and momentum, challenging the myth that you need to “feel ready” before you begin. As Frank shares, small, consistent actions—like a ten-minute Reiki session, a mindful coffee ritual, or a quick gratitude practice—can create the momentum that slowly rebuilds connection. The conversation also explores the inner conflict that arises when different parts of ourselves pull in opposite directions, with Lauren’s astrological insights highlighting how that tension plays out during times of transition.
We also pull a tarot card for the collective. If you’ve been feeling disconnected from your practice, this episode offers gentle wisdom, compassion, and a reminder that resilience begins with momentum, not perfection.
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Lauren (00:01):
Hello you beautiful angels plucked from the heavens
and brought down to earth to actlike weird little humans.
Frank (00:07):
Just a standard sentence.
Lauren (00:09):
In today's episode, frank and I are talking about
coming back to yourself andfinding your way back to your
spiritual practice and more.
I'm Lauren, leon and oh, I'm onfire.
We are a married couplelearning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode83 of Claire Voyaging.
(00:31):
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging.
Frank (00:42):
California, not live.
Does anybody actually know whattime it is?
Lauren (01:05):
Do you know what time it ?
Frank (01:06):
is, what time is it?
Lauren (01:07):
What time is it where you are?
Give me a saga.
Frank (01:11):
Someone needs to tell us what time it is, because we keep
slipping on episodes.
Lauren (01:16):
That's okay, you know, that's why we're having the talk
that we're having today.
I guess Lauren has a talk forus.
No, I just have some loose,some real loose thoughts.
They're just tinkin around inmy head, tinkin, tinkin sure
(01:36):
I'll use it.
Spill them tinkering well,first of all, I hope everyone's
doing well.
Frank, you got any like funlittle tidbits for us today.
Frank (01:49):
Fun little tidbits.
Lauren (01:50):
What do you got?
Frank (01:52):
You know, just doing the the work, doing more Reiki, work
, learning more about Reiki, andit's actually super interesting
.
I know I learned a lot out oflike from you when you were
doing your classes, but actuallylike settling into it now it's
a, it's a very cool yeah.
(02:12):
And you know, one of the thingsthat's really interesting about
it is that I'm kind of learninghow, even if you don't, even if
you haven't been trained inReiki necessarily, that like
everyone kind of naturally onoccasion is doing Reiki,
everyone has access to Reikienergy.
You know it's not like aspecial thing I mean it is but
like it's considered like a lifeforce.
So when you have like apositive intention, or you just
(02:32):
put your hands on I don't knowyour friend because they're
feeling sad that day, or you putyour hands on your kid, or
whatever it might be like,that's a little bit of Reiki.
Lauren (02:41):
Yeah, it's so much of spiritual or like healing work,
or I mean prayer is intention.
Frank (02:51):
Yeah.
Lauren (02:51):
And like it's so funny with Reiki when you do these
like the placements or whatever,or when you want to activate
Reiki, it's all just setting anintention and saying Reiki.
It's all just setting anintention and saying this is now
the placement for Reiki leveltwo or whatever.
(03:12):
Yeah, and also, I mean I usedto we've talked about this
before I used to put my hand onyour head or on your stomach or
something just kind ofintuitively like.
But years ago I'd be like Idon't know, I feel like I got
something in my hands.
I don't know why, I didn't evenknow what Reiki was, but yeah,
(03:32):
there's something reallyinteresting to that.
Frank (03:34):
Yeah, and I was just telling Lauren like how it's
really funny that a lot of thestudy for Reiki is like it's
like everyone has access to thisand everyone can do it, and
everyone does it all the time onaccident, and.
But also here's the like.
So much of the study is likehere's the history of Reiki and
here's how to do it properly,but also there's no right way to
(03:56):
do it and and like here are,you know, these like symbols
that help you, but also like youwon't need them.
You use them but you're notgoing to need them eventually.
So it is like a very intuitivesystem that you then learn how
to really like.
It's almost like the the deeper, the more respect you have for
it, the more available it is toyou, because you kind of
(04:16):
understanding more, more whatyou're working with.
Lauren (04:19):
I think it's also having those tools in your toolkit to
go.
This is for, for whateverreason, whether you know, it's
like when someone does apractice and they're like I
light this candle and then I dothis thing and that helps me get
into the moment or activatethings or whatever, but like
(04:40):
with a symbol, it's like I dothis symbol and I do it this way
and it's like your own kind ofstyle.
Frank (04:46):
Right.
Lauren (04:47):
You don't have to, you could just say the words.
Right If you don't know whatwe're talking about.
There are symbols that comewith each Reiki level that help
activate a particular againintention.
Yeah, but you don't know themuntil you're attuned to them, so
(05:07):
they keep them a secret.
Frank (05:09):
Well, they try to.
The truth is, we live in theday and age of the worldwide web
and you can go look them up.
They're all over the place.
But unless you really know howto use it or when to use it,
then it doesn't really matter.
But it is very, very, very cool.
It's very.
Lauren (05:26):
Yeah, I'm having a great time with it I'm enjoying
hearing the the tidbits that you, that you've been learning yeah
, the information that's likeeven just slightly different
from what I learned.
Frank (05:39):
Every teacher is different and it's really cool
every teacher is different and Ihave an issue with like not
wanting to.
Well, I don't have an issue.
It's like built into mypersonality, type of
investigating.
I like to do a bunch ofresearch into things and I have
multiple sources from which I amlearning reiki right now.
So, like, I've got a book.
I did an online course.
(05:59):
I have some of like uh, therecordings from when lauren did
her course, so I'm learning likethe little nuances and me and
Lauren of course, as your otherteacher.
Yeah, as Sensei Lauren.
Lauren (06:09):
Your main sensei yeah.
Frank (06:12):
And the strange power dynamics over here, man.
Lauren (06:19):
I would never, I'll never call myself.
I mean, I'm a Reiki master, butI say sensei'm a Reiki master,
but I say sensei in a very bigjoking.
Frank (06:28):
It's funny, it's funny.
Lauren (06:29):
It's silly.
Frank (06:31):
In the context of Reiki.
I call Lauren, sensei, mostlylike as a joke, but you know,
you gotta know when to you gottaknow when to cut it off If
Lauren's like hey, I need you togo like walk the dog right now.
Yes, sensei, it can get.
It can get sarcastic real fast.
But yeah, like like havinggathering all this information
(06:51):
from different places and seeinglike look at little
discrepancies between how thisperson like uses the symbols or
how this person sources theenergy or what they say, and I'm
like, okay, there's a lot ofleniency here.
And then again with with theassociation that you learned
from with William Rand, williamRand is like one of the top dogs
in Reiki, right?
Lauren (07:11):
now he created the ICRT International Reiki Center for
Training Right.
Frank (07:15):
Yeah, and one of our past guests, Jules that's where she
like is what is her title?
Reiki?
Lauren (07:22):
Master, teacher.
Frank (07:24):
Okay, yeah, what is her title?
Reiki?
Lauren (07:25):
Master Teacher Okay, she's like one of less than 50
students who actually did theteacher training.
Yeah.
Frank (07:33):
So she did thousands of hours.
Yeah, it's crazy.
But yeah, the modern take on,or the newest take on Reiki
through William Rand, is thatlike, okay, you learn all the
stuff from your teachers andthen, once you get to a certain
level, the teacher I'm sorry,the student and teacher
(07:54):
relationship should kind of bedissolved and you're supposed to
get out of the way.
As a teacher, don't gatekeep.
And if you've been listening tothe show up to this point, you
know that that's the key to theshow up to this point.
You know that that's that's thekey to my heart no gatekeeping
yeah like no, no, uh, studentmaster thing, where someone's
always, always has like somekind of power over you, right,
(08:14):
sensei?
That's it okay, so it's very II like that a lot.
So in general, like uh, fromwhat I've learned so far, uh,
reiki is a very sovereign energyhealing practice yeah, I would.
I would agree with that and Ilike that you like your
(08:36):
sovereignty I do leave me aloneeverybody so frank.
Lauren (08:43):
When are you gonna open up up your your calendar for biz
?
Frank (08:47):
When am I going to go to go to market?
Lauren (08:50):
Yeah, when are you taking this to the public?
Frank (08:53):
I don't know I need to do a little more practice like
hands-on practice literally andI need to work out the schedule
on our website, but yeah, I'llbe here.
Lauren (09:01):
Isn't this kind of fun website?
But yeah, I'll be here.
Isn't this kind of fun?
You're hearing in real time,like the, the progress of
frank's, frank's learning.
It went from mine, which is howwe started this podcast, to
yours, which was so unexpectedfor this to be like your path.
But it just makes sense.
(09:21):
Um, I don't know.
I think that's fun.
Frank (09:25):
I think it's fun.
Lauren (09:26):
Yeah.
Frank (09:27):
I'm learning how to do it .
Lauren (09:28):
I'm into it.
Thank you for this, this tidbittoday.
Frank (09:31):
Yeah, and I know what you want to talk about today and I
want to say that well, Lauren,how are you feeling spiritually?
Lauren (09:39):
Okay, I wanted to kind of just in case this is
(10:10):
something that is relevant toanybody, or if it resonates I
wanted to kind of talk about howit feels when, like your, your
mental state is overwhelmed andyou're not necessarily following
your own spiritual practicethat you have kind of set up for
yourself, and how you can kindof get back to it, or at least
what I have started doing tofind my way back to myself.
So I think, with this move, Iwas like I'm okay, I'm fine.
And then with because I'm, youknow, I'm working, we had the
(10:33):
kids home through the summer andthere wasn't a lot of time.
There wasn't a lot of time, butthere also wasn't a lot of time
to think about like, do thatkind of what do you call it?
Interoception, where you assesshow you're feeling, and the
(10:53):
moments where I would have alittle bit more silence or kind
of the, the space when, when ourkids went back to school, I was
like, oh, mom's not okay, therewas like this feeling of like
overwhelm I don't know if it'sdread or like a little bit of
(11:20):
depression.
There's just like my, mynervous system was on just high,
high drive.
Yeah, is that a word?
High drive, high drive.
My nervous system was reallyoperating like at a really high
level and I was like I think I'mhaving cortisol, high cortisol
(11:42):
issues, and I think I'm just notfeeling great about a lot of
things and speaking not verykindly to myself, like just a
lot of all the things that we'vekind of learned how to do, I've
just it went away, especiallywith like being in a new space.
(12:03):
It went away especially withbeing in a new space, not having
my feet under me.
There was like, oh God, how doI even remember how to get
myself to get outside the houseand run an errand, let alone go
on a walk or do a, a meditation,or even like pull a tarot card
(12:27):
If I'm, you know, feeling like Ineed a little bit of
inspiration or divine, divineguidance.
So, after like many tears, yeah, we finally a few moments of a
some some meltdowns.
Frank (12:45):
So much of the move was like oh, you know, we need to,
we want to do this, make surethat the kids are going to be
okay and they're settled, sothat we're not, like, you know,
pushing our thing onto them andthey have, they've done, they've
done really well.
Yeah, uh, everyone's gotfriends, it's perfect, but you
know dropping the kids droppingthe kids off at school on the
first day and looking at Laurenand being like, oh fantastic,
(13:06):
hey, oh, oh, oh, oh Lauren.
She's crying why are you on thecouch crying?
Why are you weeping right now?
And you know, like because somuch, especially when you're
making big changes in your life.
And I'm sorry if we're likebeating a dead horse here
talking about like the move andall the changes and all that too
(13:27):
much, but sorry, it's a bigdeal for us, but the if you
listen to our podcast, you knowthat, like, this is our, this is
our journey yeah and part of itis learning intuitive
development.
Lauren (13:41):
Part of it is like how much does your mental health
affect how you can properlydevelop your intuition?
If you've like shut it downbecause you're too sad or
overwhelmed or whatever, thenwell, it's can't do it it's.
Frank (13:56):
It's like being in survival mode for too long,
which we did to ourselves.
Some people are in survivalmode and they didn't do it to
themselves.
Totally.
Yeah, something shocked themand and you know, I'm trying to
learn now because I, now thatI'm, now that I'm learning reiki
and learning from all thesepeople who know and spend so
much time, live in this space oflike, of, of uh, maintaining
(14:18):
your own energy while like beingavailable to others, right,
especially with with, like, kidsand stuff or anybody that
relies on you.
If you find yourself trying tosmooth things over and changes
over for other people, you mightfind yourself at a deep deficit
energetically.
Lauren (14:35):
Yes, and that's how I was finding myself.
Frank (14:39):
And it's survival versus thrival Thrival.
Thrival, thrival thrival,survival, survival.
And like you think everyonewants to assume that like, oh,
once this happens, I know it'scoming, I know this change is
coming.
Or like this change hasoccurred and I know I'm strong
enough to get through it, andthen you rely on your own, you
(14:59):
think you're going to have theenergy reserves, you think
you're going to have themotivation to get through these
things, and like, then what endsup happening is that's when the
like mental, that voice in yourhead is like oh wait, you're
not doing as good as you thought.
You're going to be doing alittle piece of shit.
Lauren (15:14):
You should have been you .
You should be fine by now.
You should be in a good likeroutine.
Frank (15:20):
Yeah.
Lauren (15:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're acting like an asshole, or hey,
loser you've got a whole podcastabout like being able to do
stuff and like yeah, and likewhy you're having such a hard
time, yeah, and well, and that'swhere, like, the guilt comes in
, because then there was, like,this whole, not only being like
unkind to myself and like you'reyou're not, you're not doing
(15:41):
what you're supposed to, youknow but also the guilt of like
you have a whole podcast aboutthis.
You, you've been workingtowards this, you've been
working on stuff.
Why aren't you meditating?
You know it's going to help,but you become your own doom
scroll.
Frank (16:00):
Yeah, you're just going through all these different
horrible things to say toyourself and like yeah and just
like and hoping that tomorrowwill be better or later will be
better and that maybe you'llhave a little bit of motivation,
or like, yeah, and and thetruth is, you can't do shit when
you're completely drained ofenergy yeah you dropped off the
kids.
You said, all right, all right,you got this guys and you came
(16:21):
home and you were a mess.
Lauren (16:23):
Yeah, day one my plan was like I had set up a thing
I'm going to drop the kids off,frank gets the kids ready
Breakfast, packs their lunch,mom drops them off.
And then I was like I'm goingto go do my beach walk, dropped
off our son after dropping offour daughter, and I just walked
(16:46):
to the car because he had a hardtime with drop off.
I walked to the car justweeping and I came home and I
was like well, it's not a goodday and I'm just going to sleep
a little bit more and I'm goingto cry and just allow myself to
feel kind of sad for something.
That and I was like we did thisto them.
(17:07):
Frank was like we, we knew thatthis part was coming.
We knew the transition would bea little, a little rough.
They weren't even having thathard of a time.
It was like my projecting ontoeveryone and not filling up my
cup in the meantime.
Frank (17:24):
Well, you project, you project.
Lauren (17:25):
Oh yeah.
Frank (17:26):
You say I feel this way.
How could they?
They must feel even worse.
They're even.
They even have less controlover their lives.
Lauren (17:31):
Oh yeah, my brain's like they're little, they're so
little and their, their emotionsare so big and they're so sad.
Frank (17:40):
But like, they're like, yeah, but kids are like built to
adapt to stuff and they haveyeah, so I don't know.
It has a lot to do with like,once you've lost those energy,
energy reserves for yourself,like you sink, you sink and you
have to know how to like, uh,refill them, yeah and and.
(18:02):
But if you, instead of likefinding okay, okay, so, for
example, you wanted to, youwanted to go to the beach, right
, and then when you're like Idon't think I can do that today,
like you came home defeated.
Lauren (18:15):
Totally.
Frank (18:16):
As opposed to like okay.
How do we adapt to this?
If this isn't the day where I'mjust like I'm wanting to get
out and do this thing, thentoday needs to be the day where
I like refuel myself.
Lauren (18:27):
In some way yeah.
Frank (18:29):
And that can honestly just be like grounding for a
minute, right, and you know likewe keep talking about grace.
I don't want to.
I don't like saying thatbecause it's kind of amorphous
of a term.
Lauren (18:41):
To give yourself grace yeah.
Frank (18:49):
But like literally go outside and put your feet in the
dirt, like, yeah, just chilland appreciate where you are and
that you're alive and today isa great day and that there's
always tomorrow.
Yeah, and, and you know what?
Treat yourself to a burritoburritos are very healing.
Lauren (19:00):
Um, something that just a small practice, like in that
moment if you're feeling sad,overwhelmed, beating yourself up
, whatever, like literally justkind of hugging yourself and
like telling your inner childlike you're okay, there's,
there's really something to that, to like kind of hold your,
(19:22):
your heart and say you're you'reokay, you're safe.
You're you're okay, you're safe, You're you're going to get
through this.
You're you're tough kid, youknow that kind of thing where
you're speaking to yourself asif you're five years old.
Frank (19:36):
Yeah, I heard I saw something on Tik TOK.
I can't remember who it was,maybe we'll have it on the show,
but and it really struck me.
Um, someone was talking abouthow, when you have those, those
bad emotions, that like we'reliterally here.
I mean, I've been talking aboutlike integration a lot lately
(19:58):
and, um, in terms of astrologywhich is funny because I'm not
an astrologer at all but uh well, let me give you context for
the astrology conversation.
First, I've been I finally,after all these years of being
like semi woo woo, it was likeokay, what's up with the rising
sign which is like basicallylike like step two of like I
(20:22):
like astrology.
Lauren (20:23):
Yeah.
Frank (20:25):
It's like what's, what's the rising sign?
And after, like really lookinginto it, I'm like, oh, that's
very funny.
So I'm a sagittarius, rightlike a free, loving, freedom,
loving uh, you can't hold medown kind of sunset.
Sure, we're both sagittarius,yeah and then my rising is
capricorn, which is the opposite, and it's like well, that sucks
, so like kind of some, if you,depending on who you ask, it's
like well, that sucks, so likekind of some.
If you, depending on who youask, it's like, uh, you know, by
(20:48):
the time you hit your fortieswhich I'm 40, um, you're kind of
living a little.
It's like it's like splittingyour time.
You got a timeshare, yourlittle Sagittarius, little
Capricorn, and I realized thatso much of my anxiety about life
comes into play when I'm not,when I haven't figured out that
handoff, one of my Sagittarius,one of my Capricorn, give me the
(21:10):
cliff notes.
I talked about this for like waytoo long.
I probably should have recordedthat conversation.
Um, and so like, when it's whenI'm in big, when I'm in like
big ideas mode, I should makesure that Sagittarius has taken
the wheel right.
Oh, I got big ideas.
Don't hold me back, I gottathink about this.
Like, lauren, don't say no,don't be a naysayer.
That's why I call you anaysayer.
I'm like no, dream big, realquick, dream big, and, and then,
(21:34):
but then when it's like okay,time to execute, let's put this
into scale, let's make thisdoable, I'm like all right,
capricorn, take the wheel.
Yeah, give me the bullet list.
But the bullet points tell me,like, what the structure is,
what's my workflow, which is whyI'm always like, why do I?
Why am I like?
Why do I want to like have bigideas and like be super creative
and but then, like, I alwaysresort back to being an editor.
(21:55):
It's a very detail orientedthing, you know, between like
camera stuff and, like you know,audio stuff, video stuff, and I
I like that too.
Lauren (22:02):
There are two very different parts of me and I'm a
sagittarius with an aquariusrising, so that makes me a
quirky motherfucker and I don'tlike being told to do anything
structured.
And why are you trying to holdme down?
Frank's like let's get astructure together, let's put
(22:25):
this on the calendar and I'mlike what's a calendar for?
Frank (22:32):
This is stupid.
And then later she's like whyam I not getting anything done?
Because you literally areignoring your calendar.
Yes, but yeah, like so.
So that's like so much.
That's just a small example oflike you know and whatever.
Look, look into your likes andlook into your sun sign and and
how it relates to your risingsign, and then, apparently, moon
(22:52):
is how you process emotions.
Lauren (22:55):
I don't even remember what my moon is aquarius oh
right, I'm aquarius, so I'mremoved, yeah, little all four
of our family members in thisleon family have aquarius and
let's not get into that.
Frank (23:07):
That's a whole different chat.
But the whole point is like,okay, you can, I can the um
sagittarius part of myself, ifI'm wrong, I can definitely.
And if you're not, in astrologylike, this is just like a point
like consider personalityaspects, right, but I'm going to
talk in astrology because wehave the show In terms of, like,
(23:28):
my Sagittarius self couldresent my Capricorn and vice
versa.
My Sagittarius would be like,hey, cappy, like you know, stop,
stop being like such a jerk,don't tie me down and my
Capricorn could be like you,lazy loser.
What are you doing?
I don't know.
And and I've been in thosesituations and I'm here, living
in the center of these twodifferent, very, very different
(23:51):
elements of my, my personality,trying to find the middle and
and trying to mediate anargument between myself and
myself.
And I'm like what the what thehell is this all about?
Right, and this, that theresult is ultimately anxiety and
like a depletion of my ownenergy, because I have, I have
chosen to emphasize the wrongaspect of my personality at the
(24:16):
wrong time.
Now there's a way to do itwhere, like, we are integrating
right, like how do these two canwe make them an effective team?
So, when we're talking aboutlike our own, and if you want to
, you know, use your body as amap, use your emotions as a map.
We talk about that a lot.
If you're like experiencing someconflict, like you have done a
(24:38):
bunch of work to, let's say,move to a city somewhere near
san diego and you know, today'sthe first day of school, which
means you're a little bit closerto like getting the schedule
and the lifestyle that you want,and instead of being happy,
you're sitting on the couch andcrying.
Use that that as a map, figureout what's going on.
Like, what does the part of methat's crying right now what is
(25:03):
it that they wish were happeningright now?
What's the feeling that they'rechasing?
And then the other part of methat, like, set this whole thing
up to get here.
What did they think was goingto happen?
Get it to integrate, find themiddle ground and, like, get
them, get those two aspects ofyour personality to have a
conversation and to see, andthen, once you, once you do that
(25:25):
, you can start actually likeoutlining, like what's next for
a full integration, so that wecan be here and show up in the
way that we had planned.
Lauren (25:34):
Yeah, I mean, what I was experiencing was not not only
like, oh, okay, now I have thespace and a little bit extra
time to process what my entirefamily is experiencing and their
emotions and all that that, butalso I'm feeling the overwhelm
(25:58):
of all the things that I'mparalyzed in a way to like, not
get to, and now I'm guilty aboutthat and now I'm like it.
I was in this like very viciouscycle doom scroll, you're doom
scrolling totally yeah, that'swhy I called it that.
Frank (26:15):
Yes, you're just going through all the things once you
have the feeling feeling andyou're holding onto the feeling,
as opposed to integrating itand talking to it and living
with it, living alongside it,and then and then working
through it.
You're holding onto thisfeeling in your chest and you're
finding reasons to justify it.
Like, I feel this way, what isit?
And you start going through allthe reasons that could be going
(26:36):
wrong.
Lauren (26:37):
Listing everything.
Frank (26:38):
Even though half those things might be fine, it's not a
big deal.
Yeah, but you're like this iswhy, and this is why, and this
is why and you live in that listYou're digging yourself in a
hole.
Lauren (26:48):
Yeah, yeah.
So something that I mean I kindof that one day that we're
talking about was that was justkind of a rough day, and I said
you know what?
I'm going to take a nap, I'mgoing to let myself feel
whatever I'm feeling.
And Frank was like so kind andsupportive and and literally
(27:09):
just I was like can you justlike pet my head?
I just wanted like comfort.
And he was like you know,you're doing a great job.
And I was like I just need tohear that and you know,
something so simple as that canbe super helpful, like, and I
(27:29):
don't always recognize that Ineed it until you know he says
something like that and I'm likethank you.
But so once I got past that,though, Can I do a little
interjection real quick?
Frank (27:43):
I feel like everyone needs to know like, regardless
of who you are or what yoursituation is, you are doing a
good job.
Lauren (27:51):
Yeah.
Frank (27:51):
You're fine, you're doing a great job.
If there's some conflict inyour life that you're
experiencing, like you know it's, you're not always the problem.
If you're I mean if you'relistening to the show you're
probably not the problem.
Well, honestly, like you're,you're if you're trying to find
the track that's that's mostsuitable for you and you have
conflict in your life the factit You're doing a great job.
(28:21):
Yeah, like that's so nice tohear, isn't it?
It's okay, you're doing a greatjob.
Oh, look at that.
I was like what is Lauren?
Lauren (28:25):
pushing the buttons, for I am pushing the button
Sometimes if.
If no one's around to tell youthat, we'll tell you that right
to us and say I just needsomeone to tell me I'm doing a
good job and I'll be like you'redoing great, Tell me a little
bit more.
Frank (28:39):
I mean it's hard because, especially if you found
yourself in the environmentthat's not suitable for you,
You're actually surrounded bypeople who are telling you
you're not doing a good job.
Lauren (28:47):
Yeah, cause, which, like life is hard enough.
Why don't?
We don't need that.
Life doesn't have to be hard.
No, I mean, this challenge issure that's why we're here,
right to work through them.
But but give yourself a hug ifno one's around.
(29:08):
Give yourself a hug and tellyourself self little, little
little lauren, you're doing agreat job.
Also, something super helpfulpull a tarot card and say I'm
having a tough time, what do Ineed to feel better, or what's
something that I can do to feelbetter?
And that's what we startedtalking about.
And and I don't remember whatthe card was that you pulled for
(29:35):
me, but it was it had to dowith what's a time in the past
when you were able to conquerwhatever it is you're kind of
having trouble with, and I waslike I knew exactly.
I was like when I felt so, ontop of my day, my time, my
(29:58):
motivation and I was superdedicated was I was doing this
thing 90 day challenge.
Um, several years ago, it waspre pandemic.
It all came crashing down.
I even I kept it going cause Iwas starting to train for a 5k
and then the 5k was in earlyMarch of 2020, which obviously
(30:22):
got canceled.
Frank (30:22):
March of 2020.
What a great time.
Lauren (30:24):
What a time to be alive.
Um, but, but it was.
It was something that I couldfollow because, again, I'm not
we've said this, I'm not astructure person.
However, I have Virgo moon,which apparently makes me crave
structure, but I don't know howto create it for myself myself.
(30:53):
So I was following this kind oflike public 90 day challenge
thing that had you follow fivespecific things, which was just
like drinking a lot of water,moving your body, doing like a
gratitude practice, giving upsomething like a bad habit for
like 30 days at a time.
Oh, and waking up earlier everyday, like an hour earlier,
which kind of prompts you to goto sleep earlier, it helps your
(31:15):
day get started and whatnot.
And I was like when I was doingthat, I was like kind of helping
, like coach people, what, whatare your big dreams and what is
this?
People, what are your bigdreams and what is this, and
like just feeling so good.
And I was like that's when Iwas really doing well.
So I thought I should do thatfor myself.
(31:39):
Again, I don't have like a biggroup of people to look online
like who's on Instagram doingthe 90 day challenge, but if I
can kind of do that for myself Ican have something to hold on
to.
So I made it a little differentand called it 90 days to
(32:02):
becoming a wizard no wait, and Inamed it 90 days to become a
wizard.
So no wait, and I named it 90Days to Become a Wizard.
So it's just like againdrinking water, moving my body
for 40 minutes a day, having agratitude practice, because even
just five things that you'regrateful for that are really
(32:25):
small, not like I'm grateful formy husband saying that every
day, which I am, but like thesmaller things, like whatever
I'm, I'm grateful for Frank formaking eggs for the kids this
morning, or something like that.
Um, and then I also found asomatic course that just happens
(32:49):
to be 90 days.
So I'm following that too, kindof helping my body release
stored trauma.
Frank (32:56):
Oh wait, I just remembered Part of the journals
that I made a long time ago thatI'm no longer selling but have
an excessive amount of becauseof a misprint.
Lauren (33:03):
And if you want one, please write us an email and
we'll send you one.
Frank (33:06):
It opens up as a gratitude journal.
So yeah, if you want it, we'llus an email, we'll send you one.
It opens up as a gratitudejournal.
So yeah.
Yeah, if you want it, we'llsend it to you for free.
Lauren (33:10):
Just ask.
It's an alignment journal.
Yeah, it's so cool, it's free.
Frank (33:15):
I'm not marketing, right now I'm just saying but it is,
it's cool.
It could have been cool, itjust misprint.
Lauren (33:24):
But anyway, I kind of just realized that, like, if I
can find even just one thingthat shifts how I operate on a
day to day basis and get back tomyself, I can feel better.
And it's that like, it's kindof like habit stacking, you know
.
(33:44):
Sure you know, but sometimes youjust need to be reminded that
you can feel better if you justshift one thing.
I had a friend that was likehaving a hard time a couple of
years ago and was like I keepsleeping in because I'm feeling
kind of depressed and I reallywant to get out of bed earlier.
(34:04):
And I remember saying what'sone thing that you could feel
really excited about Is it canyou get like a special coffee
that you're like I am going toset that up for this time it's
going to be brewing when I wakeup and like just be, have like
kind of a little coffee ritual?
(34:25):
Is that like that pumps me up?
So anything that is just onesmall change to start with to
get back to yourself and feelingbetter, anything that is going
to shift your day.
Frank (34:39):
Yeah, I recently discovered how easy it is just
to have a quick little thingjust for yourself and it doesn't
take long.
Yeah, if you, if you findyourself you're waking up and
you're immediately like maybejust a little sense of dread or
like something that you'redreading in your day or just not
looking forward to justliterally wake up 10 minutes
early, those like ex militarypeople who are like I woke up at
4am before my entire family.
(35:00):
I've had two days before you'vehad one.
Lauren (35:02):
I is that Alex Jones?
Frank (35:07):
No, is that alex jones?
No, okay, alex jones has neverwoken up early in his life.
Okay, I'll even go fly fishingwhen I was 20.
Anyway, those dudes like sure,whatever man, like good for you,
like let's talk about yourtrauma, yeah, but like you need
10 minutes, you 10 minutes.
(35:28):
Wake up 10 minutes earlier.
I've been doing it, I've beendoing it and I'm um, you're
supposed to give yourself reikiwhen you're in the practice and
like you're supposed to do like10 or 20 minutes a day.
So I'm just like, waking up,I'm sitting over at my desk,
which is right over here noone's awake yet and it's
literally just like I pop onsome.
Like I use binaural beats a lot.
I love binaural beats just forlike to get in the zone.
(35:50):
Or I just pop on some nicemusic.
I do the Reiki thing.
I put some Reiki on my tummybecause why not, man?
Yeah, and I chill.
I chill for 10 minutes andsuddenly I'm like what is this
going to do?
Even when I'm doing it, I'mlike this isn't going to do
anything.
And then I like stand up.
I'm like be sure to tell thatto your clients, seriously
(36:11):
though it's, I stand up afterdoing that and I'm like oh, I
feel pretty good now, like I didone thing for me.
Lauren (36:17):
Yeah.
Frank (36:18):
And then, side note, lauren was talking about coffee
rituals, so I'm trying to dolike a whole ancestral
veneration thing.
I'll probably do a video on itat some point.
Uh, uh, uh.
I realized that I might have inmy life leaned too much into
this toxic individualism thingand I'm trying to kind of
respect my where I came from,not in a way where I'm, like you
(36:39):
know, living my life for themat all, but I'm definitely like
acknowledging the things thathas been, have the actions that
have been taken so that I canhave the life that I have now
and love that.
A big part of my family beingCuban, I'm like I got to learn
how to make one of these littletiny coffees AKA coffee and
(37:00):
haven't done it yet, but I gotall the materials I need to.
In the meantime, lauren's beenmaking some badass espressos and
holy cow Let.
So good, oh my gosh, having anice coffee.
Listen, I'm not when I go to,when I go to, like I don't go to
starbucks because they hateunions and I hate them.
Lauren (37:15):
Yeah, frank frank.
So he doesn't like the unionbusters, it's fine it's not fine
.
Frank (37:21):
They're not fine.
There's lots of little coffeeshops thatigeria podcast is not
sponsored by as far as our bucksno, um, but yeah, when I go to
like a coffee place, I'm gettinga drip all the time.
It's just I'll have the dripI'll give me, I'll have it black
.
Oh, room for cream.
Give me a little bit.
Don't leave too much room,though.
But now lauren's making these,these things.
(37:43):
I have.
Lauren (37:44):
I've had three days, while you've had one.
Yeah, give me drip coffee.
Frank (37:49):
Lauren's making these beautiful drinks.
I'm like what the hell?
This is such a pleasure.
What a nice way to wake up.
Lauren (37:55):
Yeah, you know how can you add magic to your day.
It's magic, and you know what?
Frank (38:01):
Just a little sprinkle of magic.
Oh, we should tell everybodynow we are going to start doing
doing little stuff on ourPatreon.
Lauren (38:09):
Yeah.
Frank (38:09):
We are going to be pulling tarot cards twice a week
and I'm also going to be doinga Reiki, your beverage thing,
again like a 10-minute thing.
Lauren (38:21):
Frankie Reiki.
Frank (38:21):
Frankie Reiki.
I could call it Freiki, butpeople would read it as Freaky,
which none of it is wrong,that's all correct.
But um, now that we're talkingabout like little rituals and
coffee rituals in 10 minutes,like literally, I'm doing like a
10 minute thing, you could doit with me.
Um, where we're just going tobe doing cause, you can do Reiki
too, even if you're not attunedor or have any, what do you
(38:42):
call it?
Ignitions or anything like thatyeah, you don't know, you don't
know you don't have to know thefirst thing about reiki, but you
can sit down set an intentionwith frank sit down with your
beverage, put your hands on yourbeverage and we're gonna we're
gonna try to infuse it with,like some of the, the gusto that
we need for the day yeah andit's gonna be a fun little thing
and I don't know, a littlecommunity builder, yeah, and
(39:03):
maybe it'll tie into somelong-term projects that we're
working on right now, aside fromthe documentary oh don't even
secret.
You can't know about this.
We're not going anywhere.
Get used to us.
We're gonna be here forever.
Lauren (39:18):
Anyway, I feel like we weren't done talking about how
to uh un-f your life when you'renot feeling it I kind of of
feel like you know, it's reallyhard when, if you are having a
bout of just like mental healthstruggle, that is kind of
(39:40):
overwhelming.
It's hard when someone's justlike make it better, you know,
or like don't be so sad.
It's.
It's truly it feels.
There's a feeling of like, andI've never had like really
debilitating depression.
(40:00):
I've just felt like sad oroverwhelmed or like low key
depressed, but it's hard to getyourself out of it.
But like, really, if there isone thing to just make a moment
(40:24):
better, maybe even somethingthat's just like honoring your
inner child or some part of youthat's just like been a little
quiet or ignored or something, Ithink it can be super helpful
dude, like when you gotta shakethings up.
Frank (40:43):
You gotta shake things up , yeah, and it could only.
It might only take five to tenminutes for you to feel a little
bit better.
Lauren (40:48):
Yeah.
Frank (40:49):
If you're like oh, I'm doing a.
All I do all day is like dishesand laundry, and I used to be
an artist.
Go draw for like five minutes.
Yeah, have a, give yourself apad, give it, give it, give
yourself five minute breaks anddon't like do your thing.
Lauren (41:05):
Yeah.
Frank (41:06):
If you're like I used to like run or something I don't
know what it might be, I'mtrying to think of people that
don't that.
I don't do stuff like that.
I was never a runner but likestep outside and jog, like run
and wind sprint in place for 10minutes, you might feel like a
completely different person.
Yeah, if you're letting a bunchof stuff get in your way to
like accomplish the thing thatyou want to achieve, or
(41:27):
something that you used to, thatused to bring you joy, like do
it in the simplest way possible,where you're not letting a
bunch of like weird roadblocksstop you from from doing it,
yeah, remove as many obstaclesas possible.
Lauren (41:39):
If you just, if you miss singing or like doing I don't
know and performing, I mean,that's that's how, that's where
I go, because I'm like I loveperforming.
You know, finding, finding aclass or making a little video
or I don't know anything that'sgoing to like make you feel like
(41:59):
you're kind of getting the yourold self moving again.
Frank (42:04):
I, I, this like is all leading to one thing that I
maybe this is just theSagittarius in me, but the I
have to personally treatmotivation to do something.
I have to treat motivation as amyth.
You know, like, especiallygrowing up with like, um, very
(42:25):
like extroverted people beinglike, oh, like you got to stay
motivated, be motivated.
Like what?
What is motivation?
Like you, you can be motivatedafter something has been
achieved.
Oh, that's really motivating.
But to wake up in the morningmotivated is not a thing.
Lauren (42:41):
Yeah.
Frank (42:42):
What there is is momentum .
And to start you will.
Momentum will motivate youRight.
Yeah, and to start you will.
Momentum will motivate youright.
Lauren (42:49):
Yeah, if you're waiting for the motivation, the
motivation is not coming.
Frank (42:52):
It's a myth.
Lauren (42:52):
Yeah.
Frank (42:53):
It's a myth.
If you want to run a 5K right,like, and you're just out of
shape and you're feelingterrible about it, like, maybe
it starts with a light jauntaround the neighborhood, you
know, walk your cat.
You heard me.
Lauren (43:10):
Good luck with that.
Frank (43:13):
Take your cat for a walk.
Lauren (43:14):
Yeah.
Frank (43:15):
You know that like, oh, you know that was pretty good
and it gets a little bit easier.
You want to hear somethingfunny?
This is speaking of which,especially if it comes to like
physical things.
When we first moved into theplace this place, it was we have
stairs now, right, we didn'thave stairs before.
Lauren (43:30):
Yeah.
Frank (43:30):
I was moving, we're moving, and I was moving
furniture.
I went up and down the stairslike three times and I was like
I am never going to get used tothis again.
My legs hurt and everything isshitty.
Lauren (43:43):
Yeah.
Frank (43:45):
And like, literally within like two days, I'm like,
oh, I'm a, I'm a absolutechampion of leg strength.
Now, and I feel amazing.
And now I'm like, now I'm likelooking for reasons to go down
the stairs.
I wonder how fast I could getthere.
Go up and down those stairswith ease, Spoken like a man who
does not work on his fitnessvery much, but I'm just saying
that like at first I was likethis sucks.
Lauren (44:12):
And now you're like I've had four days since you've had
one.
Frank (44:15):
I'm just going to keep doing that guy Like it's just
the smallest little incrementalchange can like give you the
motivation that you're lookingfor?
Yeah, and especially if you'refeeling good about it, yeah.
So do the little thing today,that's all.
Lauren (44:24):
When I did that 90 day challenge several years ago, I
wasn't.
I wasn't, I wasn't planning ontraining for a 5k.
It was like, oh, let me see howmuch further I can go with my
you know.
I was like, okay, every day Ihave to walk for 30 minutes,
that's fine.
And then it started being likehuh, I feel like I should do
(44:45):
like 40, you know, maybe somedays I would do a little bit of
a longer walk or something.
Or I started running and I'mlike I'm not a runner, I've
never run for longer than like amile.
Like a mile is very hard for me.
But yeah, like I wasn'tplanning on that, it just kind
of because of the momentum,that's.
(45:07):
That's what kind of led me intodoing that.
And then it all stopped becauseeveryone got sad pandemic, and
I got sad momentum.
Frank (45:19):
I think momentum is the thing right.
Yeah, I mean, covid was a giantmomentum killer.
Yeah, for everything, oh my god, everything but you know, if
you're yeah, build that momentum, just start.
Lauren (45:30):
It's snowballs, it's snowballs and you know, with
that do we want to pull a card?
Frank (45:38):
yes, uh.
So yeah, I talked about howwe'd be doing this more now um,
the plan is we will do like onTikTok or something.
Do you still put stuff on?
And Patreon do you still putstuff on like Instagram?
Lauren (45:53):
I've been behind.
Frank (45:57):
I'm very behind on our clips we're going to be posting
like tarot pulls on what Mondays?
Lauren (46:05):
yeah, for TikTok and for our Patreon free for all of you
.
It'll hit you Mondays.
Yeah, well it'll yeah, ForTikTok and for our Patreon.
Free, free for for all of you.
Frank (46:11):
It'll hit you Mondays or Tuesday mornings.
Lauren (46:13):
And then coffee, coffee Reiki with Frankie.
It's for our paid members right.
Frank (46:20):
Uh, yeah, so yeah, uh, tarot polls will be, like you
know, public, and then, if youwant, to come, hang out with us,
and aren't you going to bedoing something?
Lauren (46:27):
to start coloring.
I'm going to start doing umsort of a.
I keep talking about honoringyour inner child, and part of my
workshop that I've been workingon is about doing using
creativity to bring to expressyour inner child.
(46:47):
Heal your inner child.
Um, express your inner child,heal your inner child, express
your joy.
And one of the things I'm goingto do is a weekly coloring,
because sometimes you just needto like.
It's a helpful, like clear outyour mind kind of thing.
I have this tarot set of blank,like uncolored cards tarot
(47:10):
cards.
Frank (47:11):
That's pretty cool, yeah, so that'll be on our Patreon
too, okay, If you want to justhave a I guess a hangout with
Lauren.
Lauren (47:20):
Hang out with me for like 10 minutes and get your
coloring, get your coloring book, get your adult coloring book
or just doodle, and we'll justhang out.
Frank (47:29):
Want to pull a card.
Lauren (47:30):
Yeah.
Frank (47:30):
What question?
Lauren (47:31):
just a one, a collective card yeah, this is a card for
our collective.
How do we, what's you?
You're good at distilling, sowhat's the what's the question?
Oh, give yourself some room.
That was a bad bridge.
Frank (47:46):
Okay.
The question is we're talkingabout so fancy Lauren's doing
the weird card moves.
I'm so bad at it I don't knowwhy.
Listen, here's the truth, andI'm not afraid to admit it.
I'm no Donald Trump.
I got not big hands.
I call them my cadets.
If you go get a golfing glove,you can get small, medium, large
(48:08):
, but then right between mediumand large are cadets.
I've got these little strongcadets that are ready to Boy.
They're mighty.
They're mighty but they're tiny.
Lauren (48:22):
The mighty cadets.
Frank (48:24):
The cadets.
Lauren (48:26):
That's your Reiki handbook.
Frank (48:28):
The truth is that I cannot handle a regular standard
sized tarot deck the way laurendoes.
I don't know how she does it.
I think we have like the samesize hand, but I have bigger
hands than you we have biggerhands than me, yeah, anyway,
yeah, I got long fingers anyway,lauren's better at shuffling oh
, shuffling, yeah, yeah, uh, thequestion I want to ask today.
(48:48):
Wait before you continueshuffling, oh, shuffling, yeah,
yeah.
The question I want to asktoday Wait before you continue
shuffling.
Speaking of Trump, oh boy, didanybody else get sucked into
some conspiracy theory stuffthis weekend like I did?
Boy, am I left disappointed?
Listen, I'm not wishing harm onanybody, I just want harm
reduction.
Lauren (49:04):
Can the psychics stop giving their predictions?
Frank (49:07):
Can we stop getting dates on when?
Lauren (49:09):
can the psychics stop giving their predictions?
Can we stop getting dates onwhen?
Can we just?
Can we just stop with thepublic predictions if you're
hearing this much later thananything occurred.
Frank (49:15):
Everyone was saying, oh yeah, hey, donald trump's been
missing for six days and wethink he's, and like there's a
lot of activity at walter reedhospital, I'm like, oh, is it?
Is?
It is the nightmare over it.
It's listen, listen.
I can't wait for his lifereview.
That's all I'm saying.
I hope he's going to learn somuch.
Yeah that's all.
Yeah, that's all.
Lauren (49:36):
Um anyway what a weird, what a weird time weird time to
be alive Weird time.
Frank (49:43):
Let's distill a question.
The question is that we'retalking about motivation not
just in life, but like spiritualmotivation.
Momentum, not motivationmomentum what?
Lauren (49:55):
Finding your way back to yourself.
Frank (49:57):
What's the spirit guides of the collective, what's the
best way for us to?
What do we need to know aboutthat momentum?
What do we need to know aboutthat momentum?
What do we need to know aboutthat momentum?
Okay, and, and how?
How?
Lauren (50:15):
it can best serve us and how to fire it up.
Frank (50:21):
So satisfying, and Lauren has pulled.
Lauren (50:33):
The page of wands.
Frank (50:33):
So this one, I mean this, comes up every time we talk
about like motivation, it reallydoes.
Lauren (50:35):
We've been getting this one a lot.
Yeah, we've been getting thisone.
Frank (50:37):
This makes perfect sense so it's the card of aspiring to
more, and if you look at thecard, you see that he's like
holding the stick and literallymeasuring himself up against it.
The thing is with this thatthis can make you sometimes feel
like you don't measure up Right, and that sometimes is the
(50:58):
block that you need to getthrough.
You're thinking, oh, I want to,let's, I'm just going to keep
using the five K for some reason, even though I don't do that.
But like you're like, oh, Ireason, even though I don't do
that, but like you're like, oh,I I want to.
You know, I used to be able torun a 5k, or like all these
people out there running a 5k,or or like they're in super good
shape.
If that's your goal, it's like,and I'm, I'm in such bad shape
I.
I just got okay with going up acouple flights of stairs.
(51:20):
Frank and like that.
That looking to the person thatyou wish you were and letting
it demotivate you is a drag,right, and what you want to do
is lean into your creativethinking to circumvent those
motivational blockages and justdo that first thing, like we
(51:42):
were talking about earlier.
Lauren (51:45):
And know that you have those qualities within yourself,
which is part of that card.
It's not about measuring up,it's about I'm getting to that
next thing.
Frank (51:55):
I'm not there yet, but I have it in me to get there that
feel hard, or you've been to alevel that you admire you've.
If you look in your past andyou think about a time you've
done, you've done the thing youcan actually use yourself as
your own hero and admireyourself, yeah, and use that as
(52:18):
a as a motivating factor if youwant.
But get that momentum going andyou'll get there.
Yeah, that that's exactly.
That's exactly, I mean that kindof that kind of solidified
everything we were just saying Ifeel like if we had just pulled
the card first, we would havehad a 10 minute episode no, it
(52:40):
needed to.
Lauren (52:40):
It needed to, uh, solidify, cement, everything
that we were saying.
It was like yeah, you got it inthere, baby friends, thank you.
Frank (52:53):
Thank you for sticking with us.
We've been a littleinconsistent.
We're working on it, I promiseit is what it is.
Lauren (53:02):
This is our journey, right?
We're giving ourselves graceand we hope that you do the same
with us.
We're giving ourselves graceand we hope that you do the same
with us.
We're giving ourselves graceand we're showing up in exactly
the form that we're in in themoment, and I think that's part
of us having this journey.
It's nonlinear, right.
Frank (53:29):
It is, you know, as one more example, before we we hang
up something like something thatI'll be vulnerable, I'm like
you know we're, we're doing thisdocumentary but it's had to go
on pause because we've had someyou know life in the middle.
And, uh, if I look at the bulkof work, I know what I know what
like making a film project isto the point where, like it's on
(53:50):
a big screen somewhere in frontof an audience.
If I like keep thinking of thatend goal, of what, and the work
that needs to come first,before that occurs, I can
demotivate myself.
I'm looking at that wand andI'm like, oh my God, look, look,
how much I have to do.
Lauren (54:04):
Yeah.
Frank (54:05):
But at the end of the day , like the thing that's at the
end of the day, like today, thething that is exciting is that,
you know, maybe today is not theright day to get the ball
rolling again, but as soon as wedo, I'm going to be looking for
those small incremental goals.
Right, I'm going to be like whoyou know.
I'm going to call Sarah Reevesand be like hey, like we're
ready to get going again.
(54:26):
I'm going to make a couple ofphone calls, we're going to have
some conversations and likegoing to whip out the camera and
make sure we have everything weneed.
It's these little incrementalgoals that get you to that, that
end goal.
Before you know it, before youknow it, you've got yourself a
little film momentum.
That's all.
Anyway, from the bottom of mytiny cadets, thank you so much.
We'll see you next time, pals.
Bye, thank you for listening.
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Hello you beautiful angels plucked from the heavens
and brought down to earth to actlike weird little humans.
Frank (00:07):
Just a standard sentence.
Lauren (00:09):
In today's episode, frank and I are talking about
coming back to yourself andfinding your way back to your
spiritual practice and more.
I'm Lauren, leon and oh, I'm onfire.
We are a married couplelearning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode83 of Claire Voyaging.
(00:31):
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging.
Frank (00:42):
California, not live.
Does anybody actually know whattime it is?
Lauren (01:05):
Do you know what time it ?
Frank (01:06):
is, what time is it?
Lauren (01:07):
What time is it where you are?
Give me a saga.
Frank (01:11):
Someone needs to tell us what time it is, because we keep
slipping on episodes.
Lauren (01:16):
That's okay, you know, that's why we're having the talk
that we're having today.
I guess Lauren has a talk forus.
No, I just have some loose,some real loose thoughts.
They're just tinkin around inmy head, tinkin, tinkin sure
(01:36):
I'll use it.
Spill them tinkering well,first of all, I hope everyone's
doing well.
Frank, you got any like funlittle tidbits for us today.
Frank (01:49):
Fun little tidbits.
Lauren (01:50):
What do you got?
Frank (01:52):
You know, just doing the the work, doing more Reiki, work
, learning more about Reiki, andit's actually super interesting
.
I know I learned a lot out oflike from you when you were
doing your classes, but actuallylike settling into it now it's
a, it's a very cool yeah.
(02:12):
And you know, one of the thingsthat's really interesting about
it is that I'm kind of learninghow, even if you don't, even if
you haven't been trained inReiki necessarily, that like
everyone kind of naturally onoccasion is doing Reiki,
everyone has access to Reikienergy.
You know it's not like aspecial thing I mean it is but
like it's considered like a lifeforce.
So when you have like apositive intention, or you just
(02:32):
put your hands on I don't knowyour friend because they're
feeling sad that day, or you putyour hands on your kid, or
whatever it might be like,that's a little bit of Reiki.
Lauren (02:41):
Yeah, it's so much of spiritual or like healing work,
or I mean prayer is intention.
Frank (02:51):
Yeah.
Lauren (02:51):
And like it's so funny with Reiki when you do these
like the placements or whatever,or when you want to activate
Reiki, it's all just setting anintention and saying Reiki.
It's all just setting anintention and saying this is now
the placement for Reiki leveltwo or whatever.
(03:12):
Yeah, and also, I mean I usedto we've talked about this
before I used to put my hand onyour head or on your stomach or
something just kind ofintuitively like.
But years ago I'd be like Idon't know, I feel like I got
something in my hands.
I don't know why, I didn't evenknow what Reiki was, but yeah,
(03:32):
there's something reallyinteresting to that.
Frank (03:34):
Yeah, and I was just telling Lauren like how it's
really funny that a lot of thestudy for Reiki is like it's
like everyone has access to thisand everyone can do it, and
everyone does it all the time onaccident, and.
But also here's the like.
So much of the study is likehere's the history of Reiki and
here's how to do it properly,but also there's no right way to
(03:56):
do it and and like here are,you know, these like symbols
that help you, but also like youwon't need them.
You use them but you're notgoing to need them eventually.
So it is like a very intuitivesystem that you then learn how
to really like.
It's almost like the the deeper, the more respect you have for
it, the more available it is toyou, because you kind of
(04:16):
understanding more, more whatyou're working with.
Lauren (04:19):
I think it's also having those tools in your toolkit to
go.
This is for, for whateverreason, whether you know, it's
like when someone does apractice and they're like I
light this candle and then I dothis thing and that helps me get
into the moment or activatethings or whatever, but like
(04:40):
with a symbol, it's like I dothis symbol and I do it this way
and it's like your own kind ofstyle.
Frank (04:46):
Right.
Lauren (04:47):
You don't have to, you could just say the words.
Right If you don't know whatwe're talking about.
There are symbols that comewith each Reiki level that help
activate a particular againintention.
Yeah, but you don't know themuntil you're attuned to them, so
(05:07):
they keep them a secret.
Frank (05:09):
Well, they try to.
The truth is, we live in theday and age of the worldwide web
and you can go look them up.
They're all over the place.
But unless you really know howto use it or when to use it,
then it doesn't really matter.
But it is very, very, very cool.
It's very.
Lauren (05:26):
Yeah, I'm having a great time with it I'm enjoying
hearing the the tidbits that you, that you've been learning yeah
, the information that's likeeven just slightly different
from what I learned.
Frank (05:39):
Every teacher is different and it's really cool
every teacher is different and Ihave an issue with like not
wanting to.
Well, I don't have an issue.
It's like built into mypersonality, type of
investigating.
I like to do a bunch ofresearch into things and I have
multiple sources from which I amlearning reiki right now.
So, like, I've got a book.
I did an online course.
(05:59):
I have some of like uh, therecordings from when lauren did
her course, so I'm learning likethe little nuances and me and
Lauren of course, as your otherteacher.
Yeah, as Sensei Lauren.
Lauren (06:09):
Your main sensei yeah.
Frank (06:12):
And the strange power dynamics over here, man.
Lauren (06:19):
I would never, I'll never call myself.
I mean, I'm a Reiki master, butI say sensei'm a Reiki master,
but I say sensei in a very bigjoking.
Frank (06:28):
It's funny, it's funny.
Lauren (06:29):
It's silly.
Frank (06:31):
In the context of Reiki.
I call Lauren, sensei, mostlylike as a joke, but you know,
you gotta know when to you gottaknow when to cut it off If
Lauren's like hey, I need you togo like walk the dog right now.
Yes, sensei, it can get.
It can get sarcastic real fast.
But yeah, like like havinggathering all this information
(06:51):
from different places and seeinglike look at little
discrepancies between how thisperson like uses the symbols or
how this person sources theenergy or what they say, and I'm
like, okay, there's a lot ofleniency here.
And then again with with theassociation that you learned
from with William Rand, williamRand is like one of the top dogs
in Reiki, right?
Lauren (07:11):
now he created the ICRT International Reiki Center for
Training Right.
Frank (07:15):
Yeah, and one of our past guests, Jules that's where she
like is what is her title?
Reiki?
Lauren (07:22):
Master, teacher.
Frank (07:24):
Okay, yeah, what is her title?
Reiki?
Lauren (07:25):
Master Teacher Okay, she's like one of less than 50
students who actually did theteacher training.
Yeah.
Frank (07:33):
So she did thousands of hours.
Yeah, it's crazy.
But yeah, the modern take on,or the newest take on Reiki
through William Rand, is thatlike, okay, you learn all the
stuff from your teachers andthen, once you get to a certain
level, the teacher I'm sorry,the student and teacher
(07:54):
relationship should kind of bedissolved and you're supposed to
get out of the way.
As a teacher, don't gatekeep.
And if you've been listening tothe show up to this point, you
know that that's the key to theshow up to this point.
You know that that's that's thekey to my heart no gatekeeping
yeah like no, no, uh, studentmaster thing, where someone's
always, always has like somekind of power over you, right,
(08:14):
sensei?
That's it okay, so it's very II like that a lot.
So in general, like uh, fromwhat I've learned so far, uh,
reiki is a very sovereign energyhealing practice yeah, I would.
I would agree with that and Ilike that you like your
(08:36):
sovereignty I do leave me aloneeverybody so frank.
Lauren (08:43):
When are you gonna open up up your your calendar for biz
?
Frank (08:47):
When am I going to go to go to market?
Lauren (08:50):
Yeah, when are you taking this to the public?
Frank (08:53):
I don't know I need to do a little more practice like
hands-on practice literally andI need to work out the schedule
on our website, but yeah, I'llbe here.
Lauren (09:01):
Isn't this kind of fun website?
But yeah, I'll be here.
Isn't this kind of fun?
You're hearing in real time,like the, the progress of
frank's, frank's learning.
It went from mine, which is howwe started this podcast, to
yours, which was so unexpectedfor this to be like your path.
But it just makes sense.
(09:21):
Um, I don't know.
I think that's fun.
Frank (09:25):
I think it's fun.
Lauren (09:26):
Yeah.
Frank (09:27):
I'm learning how to do it .
Lauren (09:28):
I'm into it.
Thank you for this, this tidbittoday.
Frank (09:31):
Yeah, and I know what you want to talk about today and I
want to say that well, Lauren,how are you feeling spiritually?
Lauren (09:39):
Okay, I wanted to kind of just in case this is
(10:10):
something that is relevant toanybody, or if it resonates I
wanted to kind of talk about howit feels when, like your, your
mental state is overwhelmed andyou're not necessarily following
your own spiritual practicethat you have kind of set up for
yourself, and how you can kindof get back to it, or at least
what I have started doing tofind my way back to myself.
So I think, with this move, Iwas like I'm okay, I'm fine.
And then with because I'm, youknow, I'm working, we had the
(10:33):
kids home through the summer andthere wasn't a lot of time.
There wasn't a lot of time, butthere also wasn't a lot of time
to think about like, do thatkind of what do you call it?
Interoception, where you assesshow you're feeling, and the
(10:53):
moments where I would have alittle bit more silence or kind
of the, the space when, when ourkids went back to school, I was
like, oh, mom's not okay, therewas like this feeling of like
overwhelm I don't know if it'sdread or like a little bit of
(11:20):
depression.
There's just like my, mynervous system was on just high,
high drive.
Yeah, is that a word?
High drive, high drive.
My nervous system was reallyoperating like at a really high
level and I was like I think I'mhaving cortisol, high cortisol
(11:42):
issues, and I think I'm just notfeeling great about a lot of
things and speaking not verykindly to myself, like just a
lot of all the things that we'vekind of learned how to do, I've
just it went away, especiallywith like being in a new space.
(12:03):
It went away especially withbeing in a new space, not having
my feet under me.
There was like, oh God, how doI even remember how to get
myself to get outside the houseand run an errand, let alone go
on a walk or do a, a meditation,or even like pull a tarot card
(12:27):
If I'm, you know, feeling like Ineed a little bit of
inspiration or divine, divineguidance.
So, after like many tears, yeah, we finally a few moments of a
some some meltdowns.
Frank (12:45):
So much of the move was like oh, you know, we need to,
we want to do this, make surethat the kids are going to be
okay and they're settled, sothat we're not, like, you know,
pushing our thing onto them andthey have, they've done, they've
done really well.
Yeah, uh, everyone's gotfriends, it's perfect, but you
know dropping the kids droppingthe kids off at school on the
first day and looking at Laurenand being like, oh fantastic,
(13:06):
hey, oh, oh, oh, oh Lauren.
She's crying why are you on thecouch crying?
Why are you weeping right now?
And you know, like because somuch, especially when you're
making big changes in your life.
And I'm sorry if we're likebeating a dead horse here
talking about like the move andall the changes and all that too
(13:27):
much, but sorry, it's a bigdeal for us, but the if you
listen to our podcast, you knowthat, like, this is our, this is
our journey yeah and part of itis learning intuitive
development.
Lauren (13:41):
Part of it is like how much does your mental health
affect how you can properlydevelop your intuition?
If you've like shut it downbecause you're too sad or
overwhelmed or whatever, thenwell, it's can't do it it's.
Frank (13:56):
It's like being in survival mode for too long,
which we did to ourselves.
Some people are in survivalmode and they didn't do it to
themselves.
Totally.
Yeah, something shocked themand and you know, I'm trying to
learn now because I, now thatI'm, now that I'm learning reiki
and learning from all thesepeople who know and spend so
much time, live in this space oflike, of, of uh, maintaining
(14:18):
your own energy while like beingavailable to others, right,
especially with with, like, kidsand stuff or anybody that
relies on you.
If you find yourself trying tosmooth things over and changes
over for other people, you mightfind yourself at a deep deficit
energetically.
Lauren (14:35):
Yes, and that's how I was finding myself.
Frank (14:39):
And it's survival versus thrival Thrival.
Thrival, thrival thrival,survival, survival.
And like you think everyonewants to assume that like, oh,
once this happens, I know it'scoming, I know this change is
coming.
Or like this change hasoccurred and I know I'm strong
enough to get through it, andthen you rely on your own, you
(14:59):
think you're going to have theenergy reserves, you think
you're going to have themotivation to get through these
things, and like, then what endsup happening is that's when the
like mental, that voice in yourhead is like oh wait, you're
not doing as good as you thought.
You're going to be doing alittle piece of shit.
Lauren (15:14):
You should have been you .
You should be fine by now.
You should be in a good likeroutine.
Frank (15:20):
Yeah.
Lauren (15:20):
Yeah yeah, yeah, you're acting like an asshole, or hey,
loser you've got a whole podcastabout like being able to do
stuff and like yeah, and likewhy you're having such a hard
time, yeah, and well, and that'swhere, like, the guilt comes in
, because then there was, like,this whole, not only being like
unkind to myself and like you'reyou're not, you're not doing
(15:41):
what you're supposed to, youknow but also the guilt of like
you have a whole podcast aboutthis.
You, you've been workingtowards this, you've been
working on stuff.
Why aren't you meditating?
You know it's going to help,but you become your own doom
scroll.
Frank (16:00):
Yeah, you're just going through all these different
horrible things to say toyourself and like yeah and just
like and hoping that tomorrowwill be better or later will be
better and that maybe you'llhave a little bit of motivation,
or like, yeah, and and thetruth is, you can't do shit when
you're completely drained ofenergy yeah you dropped off the
kids.
You said, all right, all right,you got this guys and you came
(16:21):
home and you were a mess.
Lauren (16:23):
Yeah, day one my plan was like I had set up a thing
I'm going to drop the kids off,frank gets the kids ready
Breakfast, packs their lunch,mom drops them off.
And then I was like I'm goingto go do my beach walk, dropped
off our son after dropping offour daughter, and I just walked
(16:46):
to the car because he had a hardtime with drop off.
I walked to the car justweeping and I came home and I
was like well, it's not a goodday and I'm just going to sleep
a little bit more and I'm goingto cry and just allow myself to
feel kind of sad for something.
That and I was like we did thisto them.
(17:07):
Frank was like we, we knew thatthis part was coming.
We knew the transition would bea little, a little rough.
They weren't even having thathard of a time.
It was like my projecting ontoeveryone and not filling up my
cup in the meantime.
Frank (17:24):
Well, you project, you project.
Lauren (17:25):
Oh yeah.
Frank (17:26):
You say I feel this way.
How could they?
They must feel even worse.
They're even.
They even have less controlover their lives.
Lauren (17:31):
Oh yeah, my brain's like they're little, they're so
little and their, their emotionsare so big and they're so sad.
Frank (17:40):
But like, they're like, yeah, but kids are like built to
adapt to stuff and they haveyeah, so I don't know.
It has a lot to do with like,once you've lost those energy,
energy reserves for yourself,like you sink, you sink and you
have to know how to like, uh,refill them, yeah and and.
(18:02):
But if you, instead of likefinding okay, okay, so, for
example, you wanted to, youwanted to go to the beach, right
, and then when you're like Idon't think I can do that today,
like you came home defeated.
Lauren (18:15):
Totally.
Frank (18:16):
As opposed to like okay.
How do we adapt to this?
If this isn't the day where I'mjust like I'm wanting to get
out and do this thing, thentoday needs to be the day where
I like refuel myself.
Lauren (18:27):
In some way yeah.
Frank (18:29):
And that can honestly just be like grounding for a
minute, right, and you know likewe keep talking about grace.
I don't want to.
I don't like saying thatbecause it's kind of amorphous
of a term.
Lauren (18:41):
To give yourself grace yeah.
Frank (18:49):
But like literally go outside and put your feet in the
dirt, like, yeah, just chilland appreciate where you are and
that you're alive and today isa great day and that there's
always tomorrow.
Yeah, and, and you know what?
Treat yourself to a burritoburritos are very healing.
Lauren (19:00):
Um, something that just a small practice, like in that
moment if you're feeling sad,overwhelmed, beating yourself up
, whatever, like literally justkind of hugging yourself and
like telling your inner childlike you're okay, there's,
there's really something to that, to like kind of hold your,
(19:22):
your heart and say you're you'reokay, you're safe.
You're you're okay, you're safe, You're you're going to get
through this.
You're you're tough kid, youknow that kind of thing where
you're speaking to yourself asif you're five years old.
Frank (19:36):
Yeah, I heard I saw something on Tik TOK.
I can't remember who it was,maybe we'll have it on the show,
but and it really struck me.
Um, someone was talking abouthow, when you have those, those
bad emotions, that like we'reliterally here.
I mean, I've been talking aboutlike integration a lot lately
(19:58):
and, um, in terms of astrologywhich is funny because I'm not
an astrologer at all but uh well, let me give you context for
the astrology conversation.
First, I've been I finally,after all these years of being
like semi woo woo, it was likeokay, what's up with the rising
sign which is like basicallylike like step two of like I
(20:22):
like astrology.
Lauren (20:23):
Yeah.
Frank (20:25):
It's like what's, what's the rising sign?
And after, like really lookinginto it, I'm like, oh, that's
very funny.
So I'm a sagittarius, rightlike a free, loving, freedom,
loving uh, you can't hold medown kind of sunset.
Sure, we're both sagittarius,yeah and then my rising is
capricorn, which is the opposite, and it's like well, that sucks
, so like kind of some, if you,depending on who you ask, it's
like well, that sucks, so likekind of some.
If you, depending on who youask, it's like, uh, you know, by
(20:48):
the time you hit your fortieswhich I'm 40, um, you're kind of
living a little.
It's like it's like splittingyour time.
You got a timeshare, yourlittle Sagittarius, little
Capricorn, and I realized thatso much of my anxiety about life
comes into play when I'm not,when I haven't figured out that
handoff, one of my Sagittarius,one of my Capricorn, give me the
(21:10):
cliff notes.
I talked about this for like waytoo long.
I probably should have recordedthat conversation.
Um, and so like, when it's whenI'm in big, when I'm in like
big ideas mode, I should makesure that Sagittarius has taken
the wheel right.
Oh, I got big ideas.
Don't hold me back, I gottathink about this.
Like, lauren, don't say no,don't be a naysayer.
That's why I call you anaysayer.
I'm like no, dream big, realquick, dream big, and, and then,
(21:34):
but then when it's like okay,time to execute, let's put this
into scale, let's make thisdoable, I'm like all right,
capricorn, take the wheel.
Yeah, give me the bullet list.
But the bullet points tell me,like, what the structure is,
what's my workflow, which is whyI'm always like, why do I?
Why am I like?
Why do I want to like have bigideas and like be super creative
and but then, like, I alwaysresort back to being an editor.
(21:55):
It's a very detail orientedthing, you know, between like
camera stuff and, like you know,audio stuff, video stuff, and I
I like that too.
Lauren (22:02):
There are two very different parts of me and I'm a
sagittarius with an aquariusrising, so that makes me a
quirky motherfucker and I don'tlike being told to do anything
structured.
And why are you trying to holdme down?
Frank's like let's get astructure together, let's put
(22:25):
this on the calendar and I'mlike what's a calendar for?
Frank (22:32):
This is stupid.
And then later she's like whyam I not getting anything done?
Because you literally areignoring your calendar.
Yes, but yeah, like so.
So that's like so much.
That's just a small example oflike you know and whatever.
Look, look into your likes andlook into your sun sign and and
how it relates to your risingsign, and then, apparently, moon
(22:52):
is how you process emotions.
Lauren (22:55):
I don't even remember what my moon is aquarius oh
right, I'm aquarius, so I'mremoved, yeah, little all four
of our family members in thisleon family have aquarius and
let's not get into that.
Frank (23:07):
That's a whole different chat.
But the whole point is like,okay, you can, I can the um
sagittarius part of myself, ifI'm wrong, I can definitely.
And if you're not, in astrologylike, this is just like a point
like consider personalityaspects, right, but I'm going to
talk in astrology because wehave the show In terms of, like,
(23:28):
my Sagittarius self couldresent my Capricorn and vice
versa.
My Sagittarius would be like,hey, cappy, like you know, stop,
stop being like such a jerk,don't tie me down and my
Capricorn could be like you,lazy loser.
What are you doing?
I don't know.
And and I've been in thosesituations and I'm here, living
in the center of these twodifferent, very, very different
(23:51):
elements of my, my personality,trying to find the middle and
and trying to mediate anargument between myself and
myself.
And I'm like what the what thehell is this all about?
Right, and this, that theresult is ultimately anxiety and
like a depletion of my ownenergy, because I have, I have
chosen to emphasize the wrongaspect of my personality at the
(24:16):
wrong time.
Now there's a way to do itwhere, like, we are integrating
right, like how do these two canwe make them an effective team?
So, when we're talking aboutlike our own, and if you want to
, you know, use your body as amap, use your emotions as a map.
We talk about that a lot.
If you're like experiencing someconflict, like you have done a
(24:38):
bunch of work to, let's say,move to a city somewhere near
san diego and you know, today'sthe first day of school, which
means you're a little bit closerto like getting the schedule
and the lifestyle that you want,and instead of being happy,
you're sitting on the couch andcrying.
Use that that as a map, figureout what's going on.
Like, what does the part of methat's crying right now what is
(25:03):
it that they wish were happeningright now?
What's the feeling that they'rechasing?
And then the other part of methat, like, set this whole thing
up to get here.
What did they think was goingto happen?
Get it to integrate, find themiddle ground and, like, get
them, get those two aspects ofyour personality to have a
conversation and to see, andthen, once you, once you do that
(25:25):
, you can start actually likeoutlining, like what's next for
a full integration, so that wecan be here and show up in the
way that we had planned.
Lauren (25:34):
Yeah, I mean, what I was experiencing was not not only
like, oh, okay, now I have thespace and a little bit extra
time to process what my entirefamily is experiencing and their
emotions and all that that, butalso I'm feeling the overwhelm
(25:58):
of all the things that I'mparalyzed in a way to like, not
get to, and now I'm guilty aboutthat and now I'm like it.
I was in this like very viciouscycle doom scroll, you're doom
scrolling totally yeah, that'swhy I called it that.
Frank (26:15):
Yes, you're just going through all the things once you
have the feeling feeling andyou're holding onto the feeling,
as opposed to integrating itand talking to it and living
with it, living alongside it,and then and then working
through it.
You're holding onto thisfeeling in your chest and you're
finding reasons to justify it.
Like, I feel this way, what isit?
And you start going through allthe reasons that could be going
(26:36):
wrong.
Lauren (26:37):
Listing everything.
Frank (26:38):
Even though half those things might be fine, it's not a
big deal.
Yeah, but you're like this iswhy, and this is why, and this
is why and you live in that listYou're digging yourself in a
hole.
Lauren (26:48):
Yeah, yeah.
So something that I mean I kindof that one day that we're
talking about was that was justkind of a rough day, and I said
you know what?
I'm going to take a nap, I'mgoing to let myself feel
whatever I'm feeling.
And Frank was like so kind andsupportive and and literally
(27:09):
just I was like can you justlike pet my head?
I just wanted like comfort.
And he was like you know,you're doing a great job.
And I was like I just need tohear that and you know,
something so simple as that canbe super helpful, like, and I
(27:29):
don't always recognize that Ineed it until you know he says
something like that and I'm likethank you.
But so once I got past that,though, Can I do a little
interjection real quick?
Frank (27:43):
I feel like everyone needs to know like, regardless
of who you are or what yoursituation is, you are doing a
good job.
Lauren (27:51):
Yeah.
Frank (27:51):
You're fine, you're doing a great job.
If there's some conflict inyour life that you're
experiencing, like you know it's, you're not always the problem.
If you're I mean if you'relistening to the show you're
probably not the problem.
Well, honestly, like you're,you're if you're trying to find
the track that's that's mostsuitable for you and you have
conflict in your life the factit You're doing a great job.
(28:21):
Yeah, like that's so nice tohear, isn't it?
It's okay, you're doing a greatjob.
Oh, look at that.
I was like what is Lauren?
Lauren (28:25):
pushing the buttons, for I am pushing the button
Sometimes if.
If no one's around to tell youthat, we'll tell you that right
to us and say I just needsomeone to tell me I'm doing a
good job and I'll be like you'redoing great, Tell me a little
bit more.
Frank (28:39):
I mean it's hard because, especially if you found
yourself in the environmentthat's not suitable for you,
You're actually surrounded bypeople who are telling you
you're not doing a good job.
Lauren (28:47):
Yeah, cause, which, like life is hard enough.
Why don't?
We don't need that.
Life doesn't have to be hard.
No, I mean, this challenge issure that's why we're here,
right to work through them.
But but give yourself a hug ifno one's around.
(29:08):
Give yourself a hug and tellyourself self little, little
little lauren, you're doing agreat job.
Also, something super helpfulpull a tarot card and say I'm
having a tough time, what do Ineed to feel better, or what's
something that I can do to feelbetter?
And that's what we startedtalking about.
And and I don't remember whatthe card was that you pulled for
(29:35):
me, but it was it had to dowith what's a time in the past
when you were able to conquerwhatever it is you're kind of
having trouble with, and I waslike I knew exactly.
I was like when I felt so, ontop of my day, my time, my
(29:58):
motivation and I was superdedicated was I was doing this
thing 90 day challenge.
Um, several years ago, it waspre pandemic.
It all came crashing down.
I even I kept it going cause Iwas starting to train for a 5k
and then the 5k was in earlyMarch of 2020, which obviously
(30:22):
got canceled.
Frank (30:22):
March of 2020.
What a great time.
Lauren (30:24):
What a time to be alive.
Um, but, but it was.
It was something that I couldfollow because, again, I'm not
we've said this, I'm not astructure person.
However, I have Virgo moon,which apparently makes me crave
structure, but I don't know howto create it for myself myself.
(30:53):
So I was following this kind oflike public 90 day challenge
thing that had you follow fivespecific things, which was just
like drinking a lot of water,moving your body, doing like a
gratitude practice, giving upsomething like a bad habit for
like 30 days at a time.
Oh, and waking up earlier everyday, like an hour earlier,
which kind of prompts you to goto sleep earlier, it helps your
(31:15):
day get started and whatnot.
And I was like when I was doingthat, I was like kind of helping
, like coach people, what, whatare your big dreams and what is
this?
People, what are your bigdreams and what is this, and
like just feeling so good.
And I was like that's when Iwas really doing well.
So I thought I should do thatfor myself.
(31:39):
Again, I don't have like a biggroup of people to look online
like who's on Instagram doingthe 90 day challenge, but if I
can kind of do that for myself Ican have something to hold on
to.
So I made it a little differentand called it 90 days to
(32:02):
becoming a wizard no wait, and Inamed it 90 days to become a
wizard.
So no wait, and I named it 90Days to Become a Wizard.
So it's just like againdrinking water, moving my body
for 40 minutes a day, having agratitude practice, because even
just five things that you'regrateful for that are really
(32:25):
small, not like I'm grateful formy husband saying that every
day, which I am, but like thesmaller things, like whatever
I'm, I'm grateful for Frank formaking eggs for the kids this
morning, or something like that.
Um, and then I also found asomatic course that just happens
(32:49):
to be 90 days.
So I'm following that too, kindof helping my body release
stored trauma.
Frank (32:56):
Oh wait, I just remembered Part of the journals
that I made a long time ago thatI'm no longer selling but have
an excessive amount of becauseof a misprint.
Lauren (33:03):
And if you want one, please write us an email and
we'll send you one.
Frank (33:06):
It opens up as a gratitude journal.
So yeah, if you want it, we'llus an email, we'll send you one.
It opens up as a gratitudejournal.
So yeah.
Yeah, if you want it, we'llsend it to you for free.
Lauren (33:10):
Just ask.
It's an alignment journal.
Yeah, it's so cool, it's free.
Frank (33:15):
I'm not marketing, right now I'm just saying but it is,
it's cool.
It could have been cool, itjust misprint.
Lauren (33:24):
But anyway, I kind of just realized that, like, if I
can find even just one thingthat shifts how I operate on a
day to day basis and get back tomyself, I can feel better.
And it's that like, it's kindof like habit stacking, you know
.
(33:44):
Sure you know, but sometimes youjust need to be reminded that
you can feel better if you justshift one thing.
I had a friend that was likehaving a hard time a couple of
years ago and was like I keepsleeping in because I'm feeling
kind of depressed and I reallywant to get out of bed earlier.
(34:04):
And I remember saying what'sone thing that you could feel
really excited about Is it canyou get like a special coffee
that you're like I am going toset that up for this time it's
going to be brewing when I wakeup and like just be, have like
kind of a little coffee ritual?
(34:25):
Is that like that pumps me up?
So anything that is just onesmall change to start with to
get back to yourself and feelingbetter, anything that is going
to shift your day.
Frank (34:39):
Yeah, I recently discovered how easy it is just
to have a quick little thingjust for yourself and it doesn't
take long.
Yeah, if you, if you findyourself you're waking up and
you're immediately like maybejust a little sense of dread or
like something that you'redreading in your day or just not
looking forward to justliterally wake up 10 minutes
early, those like ex militarypeople who are like I woke up at
4am before my entire family.
(35:00):
I've had two days before you'vehad one.
Lauren (35:02):
I is that Alex Jones?
Frank (35:07):
No, is that alex jones?
No, okay, alex jones has neverwoken up early in his life.
Okay, I'll even go fly fishingwhen I was 20.
Anyway, those dudes like sure,whatever man, like good for you,
like let's talk about yourtrauma, yeah, but like you need
10 minutes, you 10 minutes.
(35:28):
Wake up 10 minutes earlier.
I've been doing it, I've beendoing it and I'm um, you're
supposed to give yourself reikiwhen you're in the practice and
like you're supposed to do like10 or 20 minutes a day.
So I'm just like, waking up,I'm sitting over at my desk,
which is right over here noone's awake yet and it's
literally just like I pop onsome.
Like I use binaural beats a lot.
I love binaural beats just forlike to get in the zone.
(35:50):
Or I just pop on some nicemusic.
I do the Reiki thing.
I put some Reiki on my tummybecause why not, man?
Yeah, and I chill.
I chill for 10 minutes andsuddenly I'm like what is this
going to do?
Even when I'm doing it, I'mlike this isn't going to do
anything.
And then I like stand up.
I'm like be sure to tell thatto your clients, seriously
(36:11):
though it's, I stand up afterdoing that and I'm like oh, I
feel pretty good now, like I didone thing for me.
Lauren (36:17):
Yeah.
Frank (36:18):
And then, side note, lauren was talking about coffee
rituals, so I'm trying to dolike a whole ancestral
veneration thing.
I'll probably do a video on itat some point.
Uh, uh, uh.
I realized that I might have inmy life leaned too much into
this toxic individualism thingand I'm trying to kind of
respect my where I came from,not in a way where I'm, like you
(36:39):
know, living my life for themat all, but I'm definitely like
acknowledging the things thathas been, have the actions that
have been taken so that I canhave the life that I have now
and love that.
A big part of my family beingCuban, I'm like I got to learn
how to make one of these littletiny coffees AKA coffee and
(37:00):
haven't done it yet, but I gotall the materials I need to.
In the meantime, lauren's beenmaking some badass espressos and
holy cow Let.
So good, oh my gosh, having anice coffee.
Listen, I'm not when I go to,when I go to, like I don't go to
starbucks because they hateunions and I hate them.
Lauren (37:15):
Yeah, frank frank.
So he doesn't like the unionbusters, it's fine it's not fine
.
Frank (37:21):
They're not fine.
There's lots of little coffeeshops thatigeria podcast is not
sponsored by as far as our bucksno, um, but yeah, when I go to
like a coffee place, I'm gettinga drip all the time.
It's just I'll have the dripI'll give me, I'll have it black
.
Oh, room for cream.
Give me a little bit.
Don't leave too much room,though.
But now lauren's making these,these things.
(37:43):
I have.
Lauren (37:44):
I've had three days, while you've had one.
Yeah, give me drip coffee.
Frank (37:49):
Lauren's making these beautiful drinks.
I'm like what the hell?
This is such a pleasure.
What a nice way to wake up.
Lauren (37:55):
Yeah, you know how can you add magic to your day.
It's magic, and you know what?
Frank (38:01):
Just a little sprinkle of magic.
Oh, we should tell everybodynow we are going to start doing
doing little stuff on ourPatreon.
Lauren (38:09):
Yeah.
Frank (38:09):
We are going to be pulling tarot cards twice a week
and I'm also going to be doinga Reiki, your beverage thing,
again like a 10-minute thing.
Lauren (38:21):
Frankie Reiki.
Frank (38:21):
Frankie Reiki.
I could call it Freiki, butpeople would read it as Freaky,
which none of it is wrong,that's all correct.
But um, now that we're talkingabout like little rituals and
coffee rituals in 10 minutes,like literally, I'm doing like a
10 minute thing, you could doit with me.
Um, where we're just going tobe doing cause, you can do Reiki
too, even if you're not attunedor or have any, what do you
(38:42):
call it?
Ignitions or anything like thatyeah, you don't know, you don't
know you don't have to know thefirst thing about reiki, but you
can sit down set an intentionwith frank sit down with your
beverage, put your hands on yourbeverage and we're gonna we're
gonna try to infuse it with,like some of the, the gusto that
we need for the day yeah andit's gonna be a fun little thing
and I don't know, a littlecommunity builder, yeah, and
(39:03):
maybe it'll tie into somelong-term projects that we're
working on right now, aside fromthe documentary oh don't even
secret.
You can't know about this.
We're not going anywhere.
Get used to us.
We're gonna be here forever.
Lauren (39:18):
Anyway, I feel like we weren't done talking about how
to uh un-f your life when you'renot feeling it I kind of of
feel like you know, it's reallyhard when, if you are having a
bout of just like mental healthstruggle, that is kind of
(39:40):
overwhelming.
It's hard when someone's justlike make it better, you know,
or like don't be so sad.
It's.
It's truly it feels.
There's a feeling of like, andI've never had like really
debilitating depression.
(40:00):
I've just felt like sad oroverwhelmed or like low key
depressed, but it's hard to getyourself out of it.
But like, really, if there isone thing to just make a moment
(40:24):
better, maybe even somethingthat's just like honoring your
inner child or some part of youthat's just like been a little
quiet or ignored or something, Ithink it can be super helpful
dude, like when you gotta shakethings up.
Frank (40:43):
You gotta shake things up , yeah, and it could only.
It might only take five to tenminutes for you to feel a little
bit better.
Lauren (40:48):
Yeah.
Frank (40:49):
If you're like oh, I'm doing a.
All I do all day is like dishesand laundry, and I used to be
an artist.
Go draw for like five minutes.
Yeah, have a, give yourself apad, give it, give it, give
yourself five minute breaks anddon't like do your thing.
Lauren (41:05):
Yeah.
Frank (41:06):
If you're like I used to like run or something I don't
know what it might be, I'mtrying to think of people that
don't that.
I don't do stuff like that.
I was never a runner but likestep outside and jog, like run
and wind sprint in place for 10minutes, you might feel like a
completely different person.
Yeah, if you're letting a bunchof stuff get in your way to
like accomplish the thing thatyou want to achieve, or
(41:27):
something that you used to, thatused to bring you joy, like do
it in the simplest way possible,where you're not letting a
bunch of like weird roadblocksstop you from from doing it,
yeah, remove as many obstaclesas possible.
Lauren (41:39):
If you just, if you miss singing or like doing I don't
know and performing, I mean,that's that's how, that's where
I go, because I'm like I loveperforming.
You know, finding, finding aclass or making a little video
or I don't know anything that'sgoing to like make you feel like
(41:59):
you're kind of getting the yourold self moving again.
Frank (42:04):
I, I, this like is all leading to one thing that I
maybe this is just theSagittarius in me, but the I
have to personally treatmotivation to do something.
I have to treat motivation as amyth.
You know, like, especiallygrowing up with like, um, very
(42:25):
like extroverted people beinglike, oh, like you got to stay
motivated, be motivated.
Like what?
What is motivation?
Like you, you can be motivatedafter something has been
achieved.
Oh, that's really motivating.
But to wake up in the morningmotivated is not a thing.
Lauren (42:41):
Yeah.
Frank (42:42):
What there is is momentum .
And to start you will.
Momentum will motivate youRight.
Yeah, and to start you will.
Momentum will motivate youright.
Lauren (42:49):
Yeah, if you're waiting for the motivation, the
motivation is not coming.
Frank (42:52):
It's a myth.
Lauren (42:52):
Yeah.
Frank (42:53):
It's a myth.
If you want to run a 5K right,like, and you're just out of
shape and you're feelingterrible about it, like, maybe
it starts with a light jauntaround the neighborhood, you
know, walk your cat.
You heard me.
Lauren (43:10):
Good luck with that.
Frank (43:13):
Take your cat for a walk.
Lauren (43:14):
Yeah.
Frank (43:15):
You know that like, oh, you know that was pretty good
and it gets a little bit easier.
You want to hear somethingfunny?
This is speaking of which,especially if it comes to like
physical things.
When we first moved into theplace this place, it was we have
stairs now, right, we didn'thave stairs before.
Lauren (43:30):
Yeah.
Frank (43:30):
I was moving, we're moving, and I was moving
furniture.
I went up and down the stairslike three times and I was like
I am never going to get used tothis again.
My legs hurt and everything isshitty.
Lauren (43:43):
Yeah.
Frank (43:45):
And like, literally within like two days, I'm like,
oh, I'm a, I'm a absolutechampion of leg strength.
Now, and I feel amazing.
And now I'm like, now I'm likelooking for reasons to go down
the stairs.
I wonder how fast I could getthere.
Go up and down those stairswith ease, Spoken like a man who
does not work on his fitnessvery much, but I'm just saying
that like at first I was likethis sucks.
Lauren (44:12):
And now you're like I've had four days since you've had
one.
Frank (44:15):
I'm just going to keep doing that guy Like it's just
the smallest little incrementalchange can like give you the
motivation that you're lookingfor?
Yeah, and especially if you'refeeling good about it, yeah.
So do the little thing today,that's all.
Lauren (44:24):
When I did that 90 day challenge several years ago, I
wasn't.
I wasn't, I wasn't planning ontraining for a 5k.
It was like, oh, let me see howmuch further I can go with my
you know.
I was like, okay, every day Ihave to walk for 30 minutes,
that's fine.
And then it started being likehuh, I feel like I should do
(44:45):
like 40, you know, maybe somedays I would do a little bit of
a longer walk or something.
Or I started running and I'mlike I'm not a runner, I've
never run for longer than like amile.
Like a mile is very hard for me.
But yeah, like I wasn'tplanning on that, it just kind
of because of the momentum,that's.
(45:07):
That's what kind of led me intodoing that.
And then it all stopped becauseeveryone got sad pandemic, and
I got sad momentum.
Frank (45:19):
I think momentum is the thing right.
Yeah, I mean, covid was a giantmomentum killer.
Yeah, for everything, oh my god, everything but you know, if
you're yeah, build that momentum, just start.
Lauren (45:30):
It's snowballs, it's snowballs and you know, with
that do we want to pull a card?
Frank (45:38):
yes, uh.
So yeah, I talked about howwe'd be doing this more now um,
the plan is we will do like onTikTok or something.
Do you still put stuff on?
And Patreon do you still putstuff on like Instagram?
Lauren (45:53):
I've been behind.
Frank (45:57):
I'm very behind on our clips we're going to be posting
like tarot pulls on what Mondays?
Lauren (46:05):
yeah, for TikTok and for our Patreon free for all of you
.
It'll hit you Mondays.
Yeah, well it'll yeah, ForTikTok and for our Patreon.
Free, free for for all of you.
Frank (46:11):
It'll hit you Mondays or Tuesday mornings.
Lauren (46:13):
And then coffee, coffee Reiki with Frankie.
It's for our paid members right.
Frank (46:20):
Uh, yeah, so yeah, uh, tarot polls will be, like you
know, public, and then, if youwant, to come, hang out with us,
and aren't you going to bedoing something?
Lauren (46:27):
to start coloring.
I'm going to start doing umsort of a.
I keep talking about honoringyour inner child, and part of my
workshop that I've been workingon is about doing using
creativity to bring to expressyour inner child.
(46:47):
Heal your inner child.
Um, express your inner child,heal your inner child, express
your joy.
And one of the things I'm goingto do is a weekly coloring,
because sometimes you just needto like.
It's a helpful, like clear outyour mind kind of thing.
I have this tarot set of blank,like uncolored cards tarot
(47:10):
cards.
Frank (47:11):
That's pretty cool, yeah, so that'll be on our Patreon
too, okay, If you want to justhave a I guess a hangout with
Lauren.
Lauren (47:20):
Hang out with me for like 10 minutes and get your
coloring, get your coloring book, get your adult coloring book
or just doodle, and we'll justhang out.
Frank (47:29):
Want to pull a card.
Lauren (47:30):
Yeah.
Frank (47:30):
What question?
Lauren (47:31):
just a one, a collective card yeah, this is a card for
our collective.
How do we, what's you?
You're good at distilling, sowhat's the what's the question?
Oh, give yourself some room.
That was a bad bridge.
Frank (47:46):
Okay.
The question is we're talkingabout so fancy Lauren's doing
the weird card moves.
I'm so bad at it I don't knowwhy.
Listen, here's the truth, andI'm not afraid to admit it.
I'm no Donald Trump.
I got not big hands.
I call them my cadets.
If you go get a golfing glove,you can get small, medium, large
(48:08):
, but then right between mediumand large are cadets.
I've got these little strongcadets that are ready to Boy.
They're mighty.
They're mighty but they're tiny.
Lauren (48:22):
The mighty cadets.
Frank (48:24):
The cadets.
Lauren (48:26):
That's your Reiki handbook.
Frank (48:28):
The truth is that I cannot handle a regular standard
sized tarot deck the way laurendoes.
I don't know how she does it.
I think we have like the samesize hand, but I have bigger
hands than you we have biggerhands than me, yeah, anyway,
yeah, I got long fingers anyway,lauren's better at shuffling oh
, shuffling, yeah, yeah, uh, thequestion I want to ask today.
(48:48):
Wait before you continueshuffling, oh, shuffling, yeah,
yeah.
The question I want to asktoday Wait before you continue
shuffling.
Speaking of Trump, oh boy, didanybody else get sucked into
some conspiracy theory stuffthis weekend like I did?
Boy, am I left disappointed?
Listen, I'm not wishing harm onanybody, I just want harm
reduction.
Lauren (49:04):
Can the psychics stop giving their predictions?
Frank (49:07):
Can we stop getting dates on when?
Lauren (49:09):
can the psychics stop giving their predictions?
Can we stop getting dates onwhen?
Can we just?
Can we just stop with thepublic predictions if you're
hearing this much later thananything occurred.
Frank (49:15):
Everyone was saying, oh yeah, hey, donald trump's been
missing for six days and wethink he's, and like there's a
lot of activity at walter reedhospital, I'm like, oh, is it?
Is?
It is the nightmare over it.
It's listen, listen.
I can't wait for his lifereview.
That's all I'm saying.
I hope he's going to learn somuch.
Yeah that's all.
Yeah, that's all.
Lauren (49:36):
Um anyway what a weird, what a weird time weird time to
be alive Weird time.
Frank (49:43):
Let's distill a question.
The question is that we'retalking about motivation not
just in life, but like spiritualmotivation.
Momentum, not motivationmomentum what?
Lauren (49:55):
Finding your way back to yourself.
Frank (49:57):
What's the spirit guides of the collective, what's the
best way for us to?
What do we need to know aboutthat momentum?
What do we need to know aboutthat momentum?
What do we need to know aboutthat momentum?
Okay, and, and how?
How?
Lauren (50:15):
it can best serve us and how to fire it up.
Frank (50:21):
So satisfying, and Lauren has pulled.
Lauren (50:33):
The page of wands.
Frank (50:33):
So this one, I mean this, comes up every time we talk
about like motivation, it reallydoes.
Lauren (50:35):
We've been getting this one a lot.
Yeah, we've been getting thisone.
Frank (50:37):
This makes perfect sense so it's the card of aspiring to
more, and if you look at thecard, you see that he's like
holding the stick and literallymeasuring himself up against it.
The thing is with this thatthis can make you sometimes feel
like you don't measure up Right, and that sometimes is the
(50:58):
block that you need to getthrough.
You're thinking, oh, I want to,let's, I'm just going to keep
using the five K for some reason, even though I don't do that.
But like you're like, oh, Ireason, even though I don't do
that, but like you're like, oh,I I want to.
You know, I used to be able torun a 5k, or like all these
people out there running a 5k,or or like they're in super good
shape.
If that's your goal, it's like,and I'm, I'm in such bad shape
I.
I just got okay with going up acouple flights of stairs.
(51:20):
Frank and like that.
That looking to the person thatyou wish you were and letting
it demotivate you is a drag,right, and what you want to do
is lean into your creativethinking to circumvent those
motivational blockages and justdo that first thing, like we
(51:42):
were talking about earlier.
Lauren (51:45):
And know that you have those qualities within yourself,
which is part of that card.
It's not about measuring up,it's about I'm getting to that
next thing.
Frank (51:55):
I'm not there yet, but I have it in me to get there that
feel hard, or you've been to alevel that you admire you've.
If you look in your past andyou think about a time you've
done, you've done the thing youcan actually use yourself as
your own hero and admireyourself, yeah, and use that as
(52:18):
a as a motivating factor if youwant.
But get that momentum going andyou'll get there.
Yeah, that that's exactly.
That's exactly, I mean that kindof that kind of solidified
everything we were just saying Ifeel like if we had just pulled
the card first, we would havehad a 10 minute episode no, it
(52:40):
needed to.
Lauren (52:40):
It needed to, uh, solidify, cement, everything
that we were saying.
It was like yeah, you got it inthere, baby friends, thank you.
Frank (52:53):
Thank you for sticking with us.
We've been a littleinconsistent.
We're working on it, I promiseit is what it is.
Lauren (53:02):
This is our journey, right?
We're giving ourselves graceand we hope that you do the same
with us.
We're giving ourselves graceand we hope that you do the same
with us.
We're giving ourselves graceand we're showing up in exactly
the form that we're in in themoment, and I think that's part
of us having this journey.
It's nonlinear, right.
Frank (53:29):
It is, you know, as one more example, before we we hang
up something like something thatI'll be vulnerable, I'm like
you know we're, we're doing thisdocumentary but it's had to go
on pause because we've had someyou know life in the middle.
And, uh, if I look at the bulkof work, I know what I know what
like making a film project isto the point where, like it's on
(53:50):
a big screen somewhere in frontof an audience.
If I like keep thinking of thatend goal, of what, and the work
that needs to come first,before that occurs, I can
demotivate myself.
I'm looking at that wand andI'm like, oh my God, look, look,
how much I have to do.
Lauren (54:04):
Yeah.
Frank (54:05):
But at the end of the day , like the thing that's at the
end of the day, like today, thething that is exciting is that,
you know, maybe today is not theright day to get the ball
rolling again, but as soon as wedo, I'm going to be looking for
those small incremental goals.
Right, I'm going to be like whoyou know.
I'm going to call Sarah Reevesand be like hey, like we're
ready to get going again.
(54:26):
I'm going to make a couple ofphone calls, we're going to have
some conversations and likegoing to whip out the camera and
make sure we have everything weneed.
It's these little incrementalgoals that get you to that, that
end goal.
Before you know it, before youknow it, you've got yourself a
little film momentum.
That's all.
Anyway, from the bottom of mytiny cadets, thank you so much.
We'll see you next time, pals.
Bye, thank you for listening.
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