084: Vessel & Voice: Channeling Spirit Guides // with Kim Charlson

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Kim Charlson's transformation from skeptic to channeler unfolds as a fascinating story of surrender, healing, and profound spiritual awakening.

After building a thriving marketing agency, she found herself overwhelmed by anxiety and exhaustion, seeking various forms of therapy, and finally (and a bit reluctantly), energy healing. That first session changed everything, sparking a newfound appreciation for spirituality and "woo woo" and eventually led her down the path of channeling.

Through this process, Kim connected with Monty, a spirit guide she describes as existing at a higher frequency than typical guides – "closer to an archangel or ascended master." In this conversation, Kim talks about how her relationship with Monty has evolved into a true collaboration, and she details the specific steps she takes before channeling to ensure safety and clarity, from deeply grounding her energy to temporarily setting aside her "thinking mind."

For those curious about developing their own intuitive abilities, Kim offers practical wisdom about distinguishing beneficial guidance from potentially misleading sources. True spiritual guidance, she explains, should be supportive, offer choice rather than demands, and provide a sense of peace without inflating the ego. Her story demonstrates that connecting with spiritual guidance isn't limited to those born with obvious psychic gifts – it can emerge through intentional practice, often catalyzed by life's challenges that force us beyond conventional solutions.

To learn more about Kim or to book a session:

Visit: www.kimcharlson.com

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:02):
Hey ghouls and ghoulettes.
In today's episode we talked toKim Charlson, a spirit guide,
channeler, mentor and podcasthost of Vessel and Voice.
We talked about her journey oflearning to channel and aligning
herself with her soul's purposewith the help of her spirit
guide, Monty.
I'm Lauren Leon.

Frank (00:20):
And I've been a bad boy.

Lauren (00:24):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition.
This is episode 84 of ClaireVoyaging.
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging.
Oh well, well, well, well, hi,hey, how's?

Frank (01:01):
it going.

Lauren (01:02):
You know, we always say that it's just like at a concert
when people say how you doing?

Frank (01:10):
What's up Detroit, Detroit?

Lauren (01:13):
What's up guys?
Never been to Detroit in mylife.

Frank (01:16):
We were close.
We were pretty close to Detroit.

Lauren (01:20):
Oh.
A big shout out to Union Pier,michigan, michigan.
Yeah yeah, that was a cuteplace.
Union pier is nice yeah, wewent to a wedding there once
yeah, hi everyone hey so you maynotice we've got some new
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(01:45):
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Frank (01:55):
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Yeah, should we quit whilewe're ahead?

Lauren (01:59):
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Frank (02:42):
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Frank (03:06):
I don't.

Lauren (03:07):
Okay, so let's let's chat with Kim.
She was an amazing guest and Ifeel like this conversation will
speak for itself.

Frank (03:19):
Yeah, we talked for a while.
Oh, yeah Actually.
There are a couple of thingsnow that I think about it.
Okay, we talked for a while.

Lauren (03:24):
Oh, yeah Actually there are a couple of things now that
I think about it.

Frank (03:25):
Okay, we talked for a while, we covered a lot of
topics, but in particular wetalked about she has access to
one of her end channels, one ofher spirit guides, who she calls
a spirit guide plus, becausenot one of the originals
necessarily, but like anaddition he goes by the name of
Monty.

(03:50):
We didn't get around tochanneling with Monty but we are
going to do a follow-upchanneling with him and Monty's
kind of fun, because apparentlyhe's been around for a long time
in spirit guide form and he'schosen to work with Kim in
particular this time around andwe're taking questions.
So if you guys have anyquestions that you want to ask
Monty, just about anything, thetwo limitations are medical no
medical stuff and no conspiracytheories, because he doesn't
care.
But if you have any questionsfor Monty, why don't you write

(04:13):
to us at clairvoyagingpodcast atgmailcom?
Yes, and let us know if youhave any questions.
You probably have somequestions after listening to
this episode, so enjoy.

Lauren (04:25):
And let her rip Kim.
Thank you so much for joiningus today.
On Claire Voyaging we.
We love a good backstory and Iknow you.
You say you channel a spiritguide named Monty.
I want to know not onlyeverything about that, but also

(04:47):
how did you get here?
Can you tell us a backstory?

Kim (04:51):
Give us the goods, because I was not a woo-woo person just
five or six years ago.
So I found a marketing agency.
For a very long time it wasbootstrapped.
I started it with a computer ina college bedroom, sort of deal
when my husband was in lawschool and really just did the

(05:12):
whole hustle culture thing and,like, really was into the hustle
culture, was really dedicatedto my business.
It was my bread and butter.
It was everything I gave myenergy to everything that I
cared about.
It was everything I gave myenergy to everything that I
cared about.
And it's funny because yearsago someone came to me wanting
to do marketing work for adirectory for healers and I was
like, yeah, we'll take you as aclient, but I don't believe in

(05:33):
any of this.
Just so you know, I'm happy todo the marketing for this.
There's a market for it, but Idon't really Sure.
If people want to spend moneyon it, fine, I'm not.
You know, I sell all sorts ofthings to different people, but
it's not something that I thinkis real.
So eventually just kind of keptgoing down that path of work,

(05:54):
overworking, working too much,built an agency up where I had
seven employees that it justbecame so stressful and, like
everyone else in hustle culture,I started to have the
breakdowns.
And I mean, you'll notice,everyone that's an entrepreneur
after a while, if they don'thave something else to really
anchor them, they have a massivebreakdown at some point.

(06:18):
And I would look at all myfriends that were entrepreneurs
and go, hasn't happened to meyet, hasn't happened to me yet.
Like I felt like I was adodging a bullet constantly and
then it finally hit one day andit got so bad Like I was having
like nervous, panic attack typesituations, driving into work
and tried doing therapy veryconventional therapy, cbt tried

(06:40):
to find the right therapist.
I went through multipletherapists.
The problem was I was so good,I knew what my problems were,
but I couldn't even go beyondusing the coping skills and the
answer I was constantly givenwas this is just the way stuff
is.
You have to learn how to copewith it.
And I really felt like, okay,there's got to be some other

(07:02):
thing Like this can't be the waythings have to be all the time.
Success should not come at thiscost.
And around the same time, a veryclose friend of mine that I'd
worked with, who is a copywriter, she started doing energy
healing and it was like rightafter the worst of the pandemic
was when this was all happeningand she was on Clubhouse and

(07:25):
Clubhouse was like a new bigthing and I got on clubhouse and
heard her talking about thatshe had experienced all of the
same things I was going through,but that energy healing was the
solution.
Sorry, what is clubhouse?
So clubhouse was this app.
Where it was, people weretalking in real time and you
could listen to them and thenthey would let you, like on

(07:45):
stage, basically, and you couldtalk to each other.
So it was a place for people,especially during the pandemic,
where we were in isolation,where people could talk to each
other and, like in the marketingworld, people got really into
it.
So it's just a bunch of othermarketers talking to other
marketers in my space is what itended up becoming.
But I heard her talking onClubhouse like the first time I

(08:05):
signed into this app to just seewhat it was all about.
She was talking about I'd gonethrough all these experiences
that were so similar to mine andthat energy healing was the
thing that made the differenceand I had like tried all the
different types of therapy thatI had access to.
Where I'm in the world, there'snot a lot of resources because
I'm in a rural area, so I waslike, well, I'll give it a shot.

(08:27):
And she did a free session withme to give it a try, and that
was when everything changed forme that at that point I was like
, oh, this is real, this woo,woo stuff is very very real
because it was such a powerfulsession and so I decided with
her to commit to doing reallyintense energy healing.

(08:48):
So I went and did it.
She's based in Australia, so wewould meet on zoom once a week,
do a session every week andthen I would relisten to it and
do the energy healing on myselfevery week, and I did that for
about two and a half years whoa,wow, that's such dedication.
That's, that's amazing so duringthat time, though I could not

(09:11):
hear my spirit guides, I wasdefinitely someone that did not
have any intuitive skills.
I was not raised in a psychicor intuitive family, so it was
not something that I had reallybeen exposed to and eventually,
as I was doing these energyhealing sessions with her, I
started to be able to like feelthe energy and notice things and
see things, and then eventually, after probably eight or nine

(09:33):
months of doing it on aconsistent basis with her, I
could start to kind of feel andsense some shadowy figures, have
some idea that there were,there were beings there, and
she'd be like oh, your spiritteam's here to help.
I'm like OK, who are they?
Why they?
Why are they here?
Like what?

Lauren (09:49):
are they?

Kim (09:49):
for and then would try to do.
You know that all themeditations on YouTube of like
let's get in touch with yourspirit guides, and nothing would
ever show up.
And I was like, well, it mustbe for some people, but not for
me.
That must be a skill that somepeople can have.
And and eventually I learnedhow to channel a completely
different way.

(10:10):
So a lot of people start withtheir spirit guides first.
But her recommendation was tosit down every day and to write
down questions of whateverissues I was facing and then
just listen to what she callsyour true, infinite self, which
is her interpretation of thesoul or your highest self, and
then just write down whatever itwas I was receiving from there.

(10:30):
That is a form of channeling.
It's called inspirationalwriting, and I didn't know that
it was channeling at the time.
I had no idea.
But in asking those questionsto my highest self, I started to
figure out solutions to reallylike real world issues that I
was going through of like how tohandle different things with
clients, or this thing washappening with an employee.
I don't know what to do.

(10:51):
And that was the thing wherestuff started to change, that
the energy healing got me to theplace where I could connect in
that way, but actually tappinginto my highest self and getting
that advice made it so.
That way, my life's changedoutwardly.
A lot of times we do energyhealing and it changes inwardly,
but then we don't see anythingon the outside, and that was
when things really started totake off for me, and then I

(11:15):
decided oh, I'm going to becomean energy healer.
This is so great, everyoneshould do this, and no one would
take me up on free sessionswhatsoever.
I could not give them away, soat the time, my husband was like
starting to do energy healingtoo, because he had seen what a
difference that it made for meand he had this really tough

(11:35):
block.
And she he used the same energyhealer that I used and she was
like well practice on him,there's no harm in doing it,
you'll see if you like it,because he's really his energy
is really difficult to work with, it's a little spiky.
When I was in session with himthis one time maybe like the
second time and I tried doing itwith him, I felt this like

(11:57):
really warm energy off to theside.
That was loving and helpful andI was like, okay, well, maybe
this is the energy he needs toclear this box.
I'm going to bring it into mybody and then channel it to him.
And then the next thing I knowI feel the warmth on my throat
and tingling on my throat andthen words start coming out and
that is when I voice channeledfor the first time.
What?

Frank (12:17):
Whoa, this is interesting .
Wait, I'm not going tointerrupt you, I keep going.
Please More.

Kim (12:22):
So from there I decided, okay, what the heck was that?
Was that like I don't even knowwhat just happened?
So I had heard about voicechanneling most people are
familiar with.
Abraham hicks is the voicechanneler most people know,
especially from themanifestation space.
Not everybody knows that that'sactually a spirit being named
abraham.
Well, it's a spirit collectivethat's speaking through esther

(12:43):
hicks.
Some people just hear theinformation but they like spirit
collective that's speakingthrough Esther Hicks.
Some people just hear theinformation but they don't know
that's the source of it, becauseit feels relevant.
So where does it matter?
Where it's coming from.
So I then was like, okay, I'veheard about this voice
channeling stuff.
What is this?
And then I ended up trying tofind books and teachers, and

(13:05):
most of the teachers that arelike the well-known teachers in
the channeling space have nowpassed on.
They're no longer with us butthey've left their books behind.
And every single time I'd finda new book and be like, oh,
maybe this person can teach me.
They had passed on, like oneguy had died two weeks before I
contacted them.
So it was really hard to find achanneling teacher, but I did

(13:27):
finally find two people that Iworked with and learn channeling
in a really formal setting, soit wasn't where I just allowed
it to intuitively happen.
I was someone that was stillvery logical still am now still
very grounded, and went througha very rigorous program.
In the same way that Iapproached energy healing very
rigorously, I did the same thingwith channeling, and so then I

(13:50):
learned how to formally channeland then started offering it for
clients and have been doing itfor about three years now.

Lauren (13:57):
And people did take you up on that.

Kim (14:02):
At that point I started giving away free sessions and
people were like, heck, yes,this is amazing, let's do it.
And I was like, OK, well,that's the universe doing it.
And the first time I offered afree session to somebody, I sent
an email and I was reallynervous about it because it was
someone I'd just seen on TikToktalking about like I'm looking
for this.
And I was like, well, I'm in amembership, I guess I'll send
her a message.
Moment I hit send our backyardneighbors.

(14:28):
They launched off some partypoppers and all cheered because
they were having a gender revealthat we didn't know about.
That's funny.
Oh my god.
Oh, at that point I was like,okay, I guess this is the thing.
It wasn't energy healing, thatwas just a step to get here yeah
, that's so funny that's so cool.

Lauren (14:44):
I love that.
Wait, okay, I've never heard ofanyone like the moment, like
coming into the ability ofchanneling yeah that's so
fascinating anything.

Kim (15:00):
Honestly, I get approached by people because I'm I'm
outward about doing channeling.
That will contact me and say,hey, this happened to me.
I don't know what the heck thisis, and most people it's a kind
of scary experience becauseyou're like did I just lose my
mind?
And the channeling worldunfortunately does have a
reputation of.
There are people who channel,who are very, very ungrounded,

(15:23):
that may be channeling thingsthat are not really good sources
.
So there is, just like everyother industry, every other
niche out there.
There's some people who aredoing it in a way that's very
helpful.
There are some people they'redoing in a way that's not so
helpful.
And then there's the people whoare just flat out lying.
So a lot of people that comeinto it spontaneously.
They're like oh, I'm nottouching that with a 10-foot

(15:45):
pole because it's so far downthe road in psychic abilities
and psychic skills that it seemstoo much.
Versus like, oh, I saw somecolors of light when I closed my
eyes in a meditation.
That was cool, that feels likeit can be more comfortable.
Versus suddenly someone'sspeaking out of my voice.
At the times when that happens,we see that as something that

(16:09):
is a psychic site not psychicbut psychotic break.
You have some sort ofpsychiatric disorder that needs
treatment, like multiplepersonality disorder, things
like that.
But people who channel on aroutine basis actually test
lower than the average persondoes on psychiatric evaluations

(16:29):
for personality disorders that'sinteresting wow does your voice
change?

Lauren (16:35):
does your the way you speak change?

Kim (16:38):
yeah, it's not so significantly that it's like I
sound like a little little voicethat's coming out or it changes
to like a deep booming.
It does sound like me, but it'sdifferent enough that you're
like, oh, this isn't, this isn'ther anymore.
And so sometimes when peoplelisten to our podcast I say our
because it's me and my source ofguidance, whose name is monty,
that he's my spirit guide.

(16:59):
We do it together.
He picks the topics and we dothe channeling part first, and
then I'll comment on the humanperspective and the rest of the
podcast.
And you can tell like when,when you're listening to it oh,
it's Monty speaking and my bodyalso changes.
The way that I'm sitting.
He makes me sit up so muchstraighter it actually hurts my

(17:20):
back sometimes.
I'm like could we, can I slouchhe?
Also, he likes to put his handsI say his because like it
doesn't feel like my bodyanymore when he's in there.
He likes to hold his hands likethis and he just puts his hands
like this.
It's like a place to restbecause he does.
It feels like he doesn't knowwhat to do with him to a certain

(17:41):
extent.
So he's like I'm gonna put himlike this and it's funny.
Is that what bishar does?

Lauren (17:45):
bishar does the opposite I think he does this like
reverse triangle thing.

Frank (17:48):
Yeah so you said that when you first channeled
something, you were, I'm sorry,were you doing work on your
husband?
Is that what it was?

Kim (17:55):
okay, yeah and, honestly, if it wasn't with someone I
trusted very deeply and thatgave me confirmation, I wouldn't
have trusted it.
So I was really fortunate inthat.
He talks to his spirit guidesevery morning and he writes down
what they tell him on his phonewhen he wakes up first thing
and does a little meditation andit's like what is the thing you
need to tell me?
And what his spirit guides hadtold him that morning was what

(18:16):
the message continued to beabout in the session.
And then he was like, hey, thiswas a continuation of what they
were talking about before and Iwant you to know that because
you're kind of like, was thisreal?
And I don't think without thatI probably would have brushed it
off and been like, oh, I wasjust in a really good flow state
and said some things that.

(18:37):
But without that confirmation,you know, a lot of people
probably think I'm just in aflow and sometimes it's not in
the flow.
Sometimes it really is thatenergy that you're taking in and
allowing that to speak throughyou.

Lauren (18:53):
Did your husband notice a shift in that moment, or like
afterwards, or were you likesomething just happened?
I think so.

Kim (19:04):
You channeled.
I want you to know that youchanneled Um, and I think it was
more the content, necessarily,than, like he noticed the
difference.
Honestly, I've never asked himthat question, so I'll have to
ask him and find out what hesays.

Frank (19:17):
Yeah, so it started.
The sensation was that you feltlike a warmth in your throat,
and then words just startedcoming Um, did you like you as
an individual?
Did you have to like step aside, or how did it work?
Where did you go?

Kim (19:32):
Yeah, I was still there and I had been working on the skill
of surrender for some time andso I was like, oh well, I'll
just surrender to this energyand love to come in.
So I'd set that intentionbefore the energy came in and
before that I had been lookingfor someone to teach me how to
do energy healing in a moreformal way as well, really
thinking like I was going to godo this as a career.

(19:54):
So I also think that was partof it, that I was setting this
intention that someone couldcome and help me do this energy
healing session and that I wasgoing to surrender.
So I think those two parts werereally key.
But I was still very physicallypresent.
You can channel and bephysically present.
It's the trance state variesdepending on how deep you want

(20:14):
to go.
So there's like very lightchanneling.
That is inspirational writing.
So you're fully in your bodyand you're listening and you're
writing down what you thinkyou're receiving.
That's what most psychics aredoing as well, because
channeling is taking anythingfrom the non-physical and
bringing it into the physical.
In my definition it's superbroad.
Then from there you go to likeautomatic writing, which is

(20:35):
you're releasing control of onebody, part of your hand or your
arm, and you're letting thebeing right with your body, but
you're still present in yourmind most of the time.
Then you get to the point whereyou're doing light trance
channeling, which is you go intomeditation and you're going
into a deeper trance state.
It's very light though, soyou're still present, but you

(20:56):
feel kind of like floaty, youfeel a little disconnected from
your body, and when you do thatthen it's kind of more of a
shift.
And that's what most people dowhen they start channeling.
Most people don't go for a fulltrance state, and full trance
state in a deep trance is youare asleep and you have no idea

(21:16):
what's happening, and some ofthe really famous older channels
did that, like Jane Roberts.
She would lay down and I thinkshe like crossed her arms over
her chest and would go to sleep.

Frank (21:26):
I feel like that's like an Edgar Cayce thing too.

Kim (21:29):
He did that too, and Edgar Cayce, even when he died, was
like, I mean, I think I'mchanneling my highest self, but
I don't really know.
So that's when you don't haveany control really over what's
happening.
So I use what's calledsemi-conscious trance.
So I am conscious, but notfully conscious.
I'm past that floaty feelingand my consciousness is back

(21:53):
over here, it's behind my head,and I trade places.
So when Monty comes in, healways comes in from the front,
left for me, and I can, you know, get a sense of his energy.
When he first started coming in, the very first time, he
presented like, in a morehumanoid form but with like
fishy features.
And now when he comes to me,he's just light and it looks

(22:17):
like light coming through wavesis how he presents to me now.
But when he first came it wasmore of like, he was a, looked
more like a physical being, Ithink, because it made me more
comfortable.

Frank (22:28):
And so then when we get more comfortable than a fish
head man talking to you.
I was okay with it, but yeah,other people?

Kim (22:36):
absolutely not.
So my consciousness goes backhere and then he comes in
through the front.
So it's kind of like thislittle trade-off that happens
and that's when he takes control.
But I'm still in charge, I cankick him out whenever I want.
So like if I'm in the middle ofa channeling session, we start
having internet issues, I cancome back in and it sort of deal
, whereas if I was in a deeptrance state, that person's just

(22:56):
never gonna get to hear whatthey wanted to hear because, you
guys are just going off, yeahso you're like a like a
wrestling tag team kind of thing.
Like your turn.

Frank (23:07):
Um, and then you're you're what is your strategy for
for the surrender Cause?
You're saying there's differentlevels of surrender and no, no
one goes full trance.
But.
But I mean, people do yeah,yeah, but yeah.

Lauren (23:19):
Yeah.

Frank (23:19):
So what's your, what's your strategy?
The only time I surrender is ifsomeone asks me if I want a
piece of pie and you're sayinglike, you don't have to have the
whole piece of pie, you canhave just a couple of slices, a
little slice of pie.

Lauren (23:28):
Or if I have you down, like I'm holding your arm behind
your back and making you giveme your money.

Frank (23:34):
Lauren does that to me all the time.
She steals my money.

Lauren (23:37):
Okay, sorry.

Kim (23:42):
I mean it's intentional First off.
It's not something that I wouldever do without like a process.
So the channeling process I gothrough every single time when I
am accepting a spirit, beings,energy into me and they're
assuming control.
I always ground really reallywell first, and that's one of
the things that makes medifferent from other channelers.
I ground to like an excessiveamount because that's how I was

(24:04):
taught to do channeling.
The reason why is it gives usthat base that we can return to
easily.
The more grounded we are in ourform, not only do our bodies
feel safe, so we can surrendermore deeply, but then we have
that vessel to return to.
That's really solid and we havethat strong connection.
What's?

Lauren (24:22):
your grounding practice.

Kim (24:23):
Like, what are you doing?
Yeah, it's really purelyenergetic.
So I call all my energy back tomyself and I draw it back down
through all of my energeticcenters, all the way down
through my feet, and then I openup.
You have two chakras at thebottom of your feet and I open
those both up and send my energydown all the way into the
center of the earth and thenthis is the key I allow my

(24:46):
energy to really wrap itselfaround the center of the earth.
For me it appears as two pillars, so I kind of make a figure
eight.
Between that.
Other people it can be like asingle atom.
If they're very literalistpeople it could be like a
crystal pyramid.
Everybody's is a littledifferent, but you hook into
that and then you wait.
So most people then are like,okay, I'm grounded and they pull

(25:07):
the energy back up.
That's your energy, that'sdoing the work, versus allowing
the grounding energy to meet you.
So the first to me, I feel likeI am in a mud bath and like I
couldn't move.
If I wanted to move I could,but like, why my body?

(25:36):
Just, I'm just kind of like.
I feel like a blob at thatpoint.

Lauren (25:40):
Oh my God, I'm just realizing how like incredibly
impatient I am.
Yeah, oh yeah, like.

Frank (25:50):
I'm in the middle of.
I'm in the middle of becoming aReiki master and I um have been
like learning different ways tolike before you give anyone
Reiki how to like.
I've been, I've been describingas the process of being filled
with Reiki yourself and alsogrounding at the same point is
like filling up an ice cube trayyeah, salient it's a form of

(26:12):
channeling in its own right sosure yeah we go through the same
steps, it's just maybe how wedo it is a little different.

Kim (26:18):
Because then, after I ground, the thing that
channelers often do is we removeour thinking mind so you have
all this thinking energy that'sin, on and around your head all
the time.
So we actually gather that allup and we put it into a ball and
then we set that ball off tothe side and what I usually tell
my students is like give it arubik's cube or a puzzle or
crossword to do and tell it likeoccupy yourself with this now.

(26:41):
It's not the time, because itcreates this veil of logic
around us that makes it hard forintuitive stuff to come through
.
So that's why, like, reallylogical people have a really
hard time receiving of like OK,I'm going to sit down and I'm
going to talk to my spiritguides, but I'm a logical person
and I have a hard timedisconnecting from that energy.

(27:01):
It kind of acts as like thislittle logic force field of like
anything that's not logicalcannot enter in.
So they're like why is it ithappening?

Frank (27:08):
it's often because of that good to know, I have, I
have that the world is logicfocused.

Kim (27:21):
Like we believe in linearity, we believe that
things have an order.
Things must be organized,therefore, things must be
organized, therefore, we must beorganized and systemized and
optimized and that logic reallydrives us to that.
So then after that I connect upto source and really get myself
open at that point and I'll gothrough each one of my energetic

(27:42):
centers, really open it up.
Most people don't do that tothe full capacity that they
could.
It's a process.
You have to clear them out sothe way the energy can flow
through.
So there's a lot of energyhealing involved in that.
But most people like for yourthird eye.
Most people are focusing on thearea like near the front of
their forehead, whereas yourthird eye is smack in the middle

(28:03):
of your like if you drew a linedown your spinal column the
whole way down, it's just rightin front of that spinal column,
in the very middle of your head.
So I'll focus on that area andbringing in energy and clearing
that out and then I do that foreach one of the different
centers.
I will also, if I'm going to doa deeper channeling state, I'll
go to the like next dimensionup, which is the hara line, and

(28:25):
I will also clear out the haraline, which is not everybody in
energy healing knows what thehara line is.
It depends on, kind of likewhat your heritage is, but it's
basically the line of purpose ofwhy you are here from a soul
perspective, in many differentinterpretations.
So I go through that and thatlives at a different frequency

(28:48):
level than your basic chakras,that those are at a higher
dimension.
So I go through and clear thatout as well.
Because for me I've realizedthat channeling is in part my
purpose in this lifetime.
So clearing that out of anygunk that's kind of gumming up
my purpose works, basicallyallows me to channel more deeply
.

(29:12):
Then at that point it's the actof surrender.
So I do all of that first ofpreparing my vessel before I
even get to surrender.
I'm making my body feel safe,I'm giving myself a place to
return to, I'm preparing toaccept energies and I'm getting
in line with my purpose.
All of that has to happen andI'm getting rid of my thinking
mind as well.
All of that has to happen andI'm getting rid of my thinking
mind as well.
All of that has to happenbefore I will do a deeper
channeling state.
Then at that point I also clearout everything.

(29:34):
So no ancestors, no otherspirit beings, nobody else is
around.
I get to the point where I'mclear and I let go of any
connections that I haveenergetically with anybody.
So if I had an email that I sawright before a channeling
session I feel needs to getaddressed, I just let it go.
Yeah, and I all of thosedifferent energetic connections,
so even though my thinking mindisn't focused on my energy

(29:56):
could still be focused on it.
So I actively, with myintention, just let those go.
I imagine like I'm holdingthese energetic cords and I'm
just letting them go, and thenat that point I'm clear, I'm
ready, my vessel is completelyprepared and I'll invite Monty
in, and at this point I know himreally well.
But in the beginning you alwaysgo through the practice of

(30:16):
assessing your source ofguidance.

Frank (30:18):
That was one of my questions is how what's your
process?

Kim (30:22):
Yeah, you know what you're connecting to you, and you
should, because we have to usediscernment.
Use discernment when you'rechanneling, before you get
connected and after, in themiddle, you just do the
channeling act.
Discernment takes you out ofchanneling.
So we use our discernmentbefore we connect and we say,
okay, this spirit being, arethey light filled?

(30:42):
And that could be a visual cue.
It could be that they feellight, they feel airy, are they
calm?
Are they speaking with onecollective voice?
Is their energy all over theplace?
We don't want to connect withstuff where their energy is
really disconnected feeling.
Does it feel calm and collected?
Does it have a sweetness to it?
So this is more of a check, forit's not something you want to

(31:05):
connect to, because not allspirit beings will have like
this really good aspect ofsweetness to them, because some
of them are like there to laydown the law and get you to like
show up and do the work, but ifsomething presents itself and
it has this like acrid or kindof gross feeling to it, don't
connect to it.
The last is that it feelssupportive.

(31:27):
That comes with time of likeunderstanding what support feels
like, because especially ourspirit guides, which is what
most people learn to connect to.
First, because they're closerto us.
Their energy is closer to wherewe are all the time, versus
like a higher ascended being.
They're harder to get in touchwith because you have to raise
your energy up so much more.
So they love us unconditionally.
Your spirit guides love you nomatter how much you F up, no

(31:49):
matter what you do.
They love you.
You could be a murderer.
They love you no matter what,because they see in you the soul
, energy that you have and allof the like really amazing bits
of who you are, that you couldbe.
They're loving you for thatpotential.
So, checking of those things,then it's time to actually go

(32:10):
through the process of surrenderand removing the consciousness
from the body and allowing yoursource of guidance to come in.
But it has all of that set up asyou become more skilled as a
channel, it's much faster.
But when I first started thatprocess I had to break it down
so I wouldn't do everything atonce.
I learned how to ground reallyreally well.

(32:30):
Then I learned how to move mythinking mind the other way.
Then I learned how to connectand like, really open up and be
in that expanded state, becauseyou have to be really expanded
to channel higher sources ofguidance.
So breaking those down intoindividual skills was how I
really learned in a more formalway how to channel.
For some people it comes verynaturally.
Though I'm not one of thosepeople in some ways of like, it

(32:54):
does come naturally to me,happen spontaneously, but I have
a very formal training and avery formal process that I still
use.

Lauren (33:02):
I feel like people are real fast and loose with their.
I channeled this message,especially hearing from you Like
now I'm like but did you, um,like that's my first question
Channeled from what?
Yeah, so is that likesubconscious?

(33:28):
When someone says like Ichanneled this book, or I, I, I
channeled these drawings, orjust this message came through
this morning and I channeled it,like they're not saying from
where that?

Kim (33:44):
would be.
My first question is where,like where, did you?
Get it from and where you'regetting it from.
Yeah, because, a lot of peoplechannel don't know what they're
channeling.
And if you don't know whatyou're channeling, you know you
don't know the source.
It may not be a good source.
That's the kind of the trickypart about channeling.
Um, there is an idea I don'tnecessarily believe in it myself

(34:08):
of trickster guides, where some, some being shows up and they
pretend to be a spirit guidethat's there to help you and
they earn your trust and thenthey have you start doing these
really awful things that arenegative, that hurt you over
time.
Yeah, and it comes todiscernment.
I think the reason why peoplefall for it is because they're
not using their discernment.

(34:29):
And if they were more patientand really assess, like are you
really on the good side for me?
Like are you that really goingto help me?
And be constantly using thatdiscernment, because spirit
guides they're not infallible.
They get stuff wrong.
But there are certain kind oftraits of what I look for in

(34:53):
channeled material.
Number one it has to besupportive.
It can't be something negative.
So like for me, when people arelike I channeled this and it's
the end of the world, I'm likeokay, cult leader.
Like it has to be somethingsupportive.
It cannot disagree with mostmajor world religions.
Like most world religions, insome way have commonalities.

(35:16):
There are definitely thingsthat are different about each
one, but if there's a channeledmaterial that I come across
that's like this is completelywrong and it's wrong in every
world religion, and I'm the onlysource that knows that.
Yeah, take a hike right.
Yeah, why, why do you so muchbetter than all of the world
religion and all of the wisdomthat we could have had, you know

(35:37):
?
in an organized sense um and youknow, religion notwithstanding,
has its issues, but there'sstill a lot of truth in it.
When you kind of do thatcomparative studies of of the
different world religions, yeah,it all say, should a lot of
like you should be doing this,or you have to do this, or else
sort of language of it's alwaysa matter of choice.

(36:01):
That's why we're here is tomake choices.
We're here to experience things.
We're here to make decisions.
And if a to experience things,we're here to make decisions,
and if a source of guidance isremoving that ability to make
decisions, they're trying toenact their will through force
on you.
That's not really guidance now,is it?

Lauren (36:18):
Right.

Kim (36:18):
So those are the kind of the features that I look for Now
.
If it meets all those things andI don't know where it's from if
it makes you feel a sense ofcalm and ease and makes you feel
that expanded sense, withoutjust padding your ego and making
you feel like so amazing aboutyourself, great, Wonderful, and

(36:40):
you know, some things aredefinitely harder to tell than
others and it comes down to doesthis give me a sense of peace
and ease without making me feelself-aggrandized?
Does it reveal something aboutthe world or my understanding or
perspective that changes myviewpoint in such a way that is

(37:00):
beneficial to me?
So when we think about likehistoric oracles, like the
Oracle of Delphi, most peopleask oracles and even my clients.
They ask really mundanequestions most of the time you
know, like how do I deal with myneighbor?
They're driving me bananas, orlike how can I do this in my

(37:20):
business to make more money?
Like most of it are not likereally big spiritual questions.
I do have some clients ask askthose questions, but it's
usually people later in life ourage bracket are more concerned
with how do I function, how do Isurvive, how do I deal with all
this stuff?
every day and the point isn't totell you exactly what to do.
The point of receiving anoracle which is kind of like the

(37:43):
older version of whatchanneling is, is that it
transforms the energy and theperspective that you have.
So you have that shift.
So, even though you may justperceive the words and you're
like logical, that makes sense.
A really good oracularexperience transforms you
energetically in a way that youare no longer what you were

(38:05):
before.

Lauren (38:07):
Oh that, okay, that resonates a lot, or like I've
had that feeling before, andthat you just put it really well
.

Kim (38:15):
You know you can say, like for me, I had what would be
termed, and like the oldfashioned idea of channeling,
and like the ancient world oflike when I hit send on that
email and my neighbors launchedoff all the party poppers and
cheered there is no going backanymore, yeah, and that when
something like that so clearlyhappens, that's an oracular

(38:38):
experience.
Like when I got scared.
It was like, oh, I can't dothis.
Like channeling is too weird.
I gotta go be a businessconsultant or something like
that.
Like I can't do this for acareer.
I did not make a living doingthis, I knew I couldn't do it.
Like there's, there's just likethis change and shift in me
that like no, actually I can't.

(38:58):
I've had this oracularexperience and that is not who I
am anymore because of thismoment that I always think back
to, of this happened for areason and I have to acknowledge
that of like, not only did thatevent happen, but something
happened to me in that event.
Yeah, that's a really goodoracular experience of whatever

(39:19):
that channeling is and there's areally long history of that in
in like lots of different things, lots of different cultures.
Every single culture haschanneling in some way.
So we can think, like ancientgreece had the different oracles
and sibyls, there's the I chingin china that's the foundation
of human design and gene keys.
Now all of those are receivedthings, all those are channeled.

(39:40):
And there's things even inaustralia that they have.
The native peoples there werechanneling things as well that
have formed the foundation of alot of their tales and stories
and things like that.
So basically, humans have hadthis ability to channel and then
we said everything's got to belogical and these experiences
are not logical.

(40:01):
Yeah, why the heck would Ichange my entire life because my
neighbors put party poppersLike?

Frank (40:06):
that's not, I mean the big moments are always.
You could chalk it up to acoincidence or, and once you get
into the habit of like wrecking, of ignoring those coincidences
, it's just like it's hard toget out of that you have.
You have to have some kind ofspiritual shock to be like oh
shit, like that was important.

Lauren (40:26):
Yeah, yeah, kind of spiritual shock to be like, oh
shit, like that was important.
Yeah, pay attention, yeah, yeahand yeah, allow the allow the
meaning to actually like sitwith you on that idea of, like
you, acknowledging andrecognizing that the
coincidences aren't always justcoincidences.

Frank (40:42):
Um, when you first started channeling, did you, did
you realize that you had a newperspective on an existing
experience that you were alwayshaving?
Or was this a new occurrence,something that was brand new for
you?

Kim (40:56):
it was something that was brand new, like honestly,
because I had not had like, Igrew up religious, I grew up in
a hippie dippy church, so, likealways standing is a very
different experience where, like, we started every sunday with
like jesus loves you, in termsof like angels always being with

(41:19):
you or synchronicities orthings like that.
That was just happenstance andI also was not a very lucky
person.
Bad things just would go wrongall the time in my life and it
seems like it was like justinbuilt part of my heritage,
because it's also, it could besaid, about most of my family
that were just kind of likeunlucky people and I thought a

(41:41):
lot about that, of like, once Istarted channeling.
Why was that Like?
Why was it all these people inmy life would have all these
like serendipitous events thatwould happen, that would set
them on this other course?
And these things didn't happento me and I really don't quite
know the answer, other than,potentially, that I was living a
life that was so out ofalignment with myself.

(42:03):
It was trying to like give mesome bad luck, to like throw me
back the right path and I thinkabout things I was into as a kid
I loved yoga I thought rockswere so cool and now I like I
have this giant freaking oh,wear that around your neck.
You're like the flavor ofesotericism I would need some

(42:26):
really strong neck musclesthat's like a second head, yeah,
yeah, it's massive and it's my,my buddy that helps me stay
grounded, that I keep on my deskwhen I do channeling sessions
and like I've got like all likecrystals and all sorts of stuff
around me all the time and whenI think about it, like I was the
little kid that collected rocksand was like, oh, look at this

(42:46):
one and a lot of that.
Why like?
Why did that happen?
And I think that going throughthe process of doing the energy
healing and the channeling andhaving those experiences made me
really understand thatself-abandonment was such a part
of my story.

Frank (43:05):
Can you explain that a little bit more?

Kim (43:07):
Yeah.
So let me think the best way toexplain this.
I've found out in the last likeyear I'm a high functioning
codependent, which is rooted inmy upbringing of.
There is one family member thatif things went wrong,
everything had to stop.
Like we had to stop doing whatwe were doing.
We had to fix whatever wasgoing on for this individual in

(43:28):
the family, otherwise we allsuffered.
And so there was always like anaccommodation of like well, we
better do this, otherwisethey're going to get upset, or
we better do this because weneed to compensate.
So I learned from a very youngage you need to make sure to
control your environment to staysafe.
That's where most highfunctioning codependents come
from.
So I wasn't like ever it neverresonated with me of

(43:52):
codependency, of like I wasenabling other people to do like
addictive behaviors is like theconventional idea of
codependency.
There's this other concept ofhigh functioning codependency.
You are high achieving, youhave an amazing business, you
are such a great manager and youput your employees needs first
at the cost of your ownfinancial.

(44:13):
You work too much to make yourclients results be really good.
Because you're constantly goingthrough that process of
selfandonment, because itcreates safety.
So that's where it comes from.

Lauren (44:29):
For me is, you know, that idea of I'm only safe if
I'm controlling my environmentto make sure everybody else is
happy and, yeah, that makessense for now being so aligned
with what you're supposed to bedoing, like everything was like
hello, kim, energy like healyour body.

(44:51):
Pay attention to yourself, youknow, pay heal.
Everything that's that'shappened or that's continuing.
Whatever it is like, yeah.

Kim (45:03):
Yeah, and it's funny you point this out.
So trigger warning for peoplethat have medical trauma.
When I was at my lowest point,I'd done my first energy healing
session but hadn't decided toreally commit to it.
I got really sick.
I went to the hospital, like tothe emergency room, and they
were like you've got gastritis,here's some medication, go take

(45:23):
this, you'll be fine.
I was not fine and I actuallyhad a UTI and got like to the
point that I was probably goingto get close to sepsis.
Finally went to another doctorand they prescribed a common
antibiotic called ciprofloxacin.
For everyone listening, never,ever, take it.
It has an FDA black box warning.

(45:44):
I am not like anti-medicine byany means.
It's just a lot of issues andis known to have a lot of issues
.
And within 15 minutes of takingthat, I had a massive adverse
reaction.
My body was like on fire.
I lost the ability to walk forfour weeks.
It's like 20 pounds and likestill have health stuff to this

(46:06):
day.
It's like 20 pounds and likestill have health stuff to this
day.
So it was like such aself-abandonment moment that it
forced me to have to do energyhealing because the medical
community doesn't really knowwhat to do when you have a
severe adverse reaction to anantibiotic, because they don't
really quite understand why ithappens.
So as part of that, I was likewell, I can't use any

(46:27):
medications to make me feel goodbecause most of them are going
to trigger it more and and harmme.
So I might as well try energyhealing.
So that is like part of thereason why I committed to it.
But the bit that like was theself-abandonment part was I had
this bad feeling about takingthis antibiotic.
I don't know why.
I just had this and my momworks in the medical community

(46:49):
and I called her and I was likehey, what do you think she's
like?
Looked at her drug book andshe's like it's only for people
over 60.
You'll be fine.
And I Googled it online and Ididn't find anything because I
wasn't searching the right stuff.
Turns out like there's tons andtons of horror stories about
this.
There's even like a New Yorktimes article about it.
I just didn't find it.

(47:12):
And so I went to take the pilland I turned to my husband.
I was like here goes nothing asI popped the pill in because I
said but I was so sick at thatpoint I was like, doctors must
know better than me, so I'mgoing to trust them right and
that was a moment.
Who's the doctor that has thisdrug in their back pocket, like
you know what you need becausethey only issued in 2018 uh,
like the black box warning, soit's relatively new of this

(47:34):
understanding like it reallycauses harm to people, and
there's like a whole group we'recalled foxies, that we have a
name because it's I mean, it'sbad enough, like we have a
community of us and so they'vebeen trying to like go to
Congress and be like this drugneeds to be pulled off the
market.
It's actually banned in mostother countries or can only be
used in a hospital setting, andlots and lots of people get
prescribed it for UTIs here,like really common, or for eye

(47:56):
infections, ear infections,stuff like that, that's insane
Cipro.
Cipro, Cipro.
The other one is Levaquin.
They're all in the family ofFloraquinolones.
It's known in the medicalcommunity but like I tell people
like I had this reaction,they're like really, Like I've
read about that but I didn'tknow it was a real thing and I'm
like please never prescribe itto anyone because it's really

(48:18):
dangerous.

Frank (48:19):
I mean, that is, that sounds horrible.

Kim (48:20):
Yeah.

Lauren (48:21):
Yeah.

Kim (48:28):
A lot of the other people that have the level of reaction
that I did end up wheelchairbound for the rest of their
lives.
So I'm really fortunate in thatway and had this moment when I
finally could get out of bed andtook a shower.
And I was standing in theshower and I was like in so much
pain and I was like I am notletting this take me down.
I get to choose now of like, amI going to let this really
destroy my body and just be ashell of a person, or am I going

(48:49):
to do everything I possibly can?
And one of those things that Itried was energy healing,
because I was like, nope, I'mnot going down without a fight,
like, and I'm just not that kindof person.
And that's not to say that thepeople that didn't, you know,
weren't successful in theirhealing weren't those types of
people.
It's really an absolute shitshow for sometimes, but you know

(49:10):
, for me that was that decisionand I can see and looking back,
you know, hindsight 2020 so muchof that self-abandonment along
the way in order to control myenvironment so wait, since
you've been on this path now,have you found that your luck
has changed?
Oh heck, yes, All the time, evenhow I'm now here with you was I

(49:33):
felt this like little nudge togo look at threads.
In a moment where I was likeI'd finished a task and I've
been trying to like not do thaton social media.
But I was like, uh, and myspirit guys were like, yeah,
yeah, go go look at your phone,go look at threads, it'll be

(49:54):
fine.
And you guys just posted athread about that.
You had an opening for a slotto record and here I am and like
it's things like that thathappen now that are just like
small that add up over timethat's great.

Lauren (50:03):
Oh, that's awesome.

Frank (50:06):
Ideally.
Let me ask you real quick howlong would be enough time if we
were to do a channeling withMonty.
Is that?

Kim (50:13):
It depends on how many questions you want to ask him.
So, like, if you guys want toask like eight to 10 questions,
that's usually about 30 to 40minutes, depending on what the
questions are.
Like that's how long a sessionis it's 90 minutes and then we
channel for about an hour ish.

Frank (50:30):
Okay, we have normal questions and like like, I want
to ask about Monty, but thenwe'll talk to Monty next time.
So let's talk about Monty.
The, the so you mentioned helooked fishy at first.
Is that indicative of like,where he's from or like, or was
that just like a coincidence?

Kim (50:51):
I don't know um, so this is an interesting story.
So the reason why his name ismonty is not because he gave me
that name, but because I used tocall him mr fish because I
literally didn't know what tocall him.
And we were going on vacationto Miami around the same time.
There's a fish restaurant therecalled Monty's and the rest of
my spirit was like we shouldcall him Monty and I didn't

(51:14):
connect it together at first andthey were all like he's fine
with it, but it's definitely ajoke to him, because they were
kind of a little like why doeshe get Mr?
And the rest of us doesn't likewhy don't we get that?
So they were like I guess youknow ragging on him taking him.
So that's why his name is Monty.
But when he first presented hedefinitely had those like fishy

(51:36):
qualities.
I don't know like how muchstock I put personally put into
Starseeds, because that is aslippery slip into the alt right
, it's so slippyy, it's soslippery I do think it's a real
thing, like I do think we couldbe incarnated on other planets
and other dimensions.
Uh, there's so much that wedon't know.

(51:57):
Monty's talked about it beforewhen he's been asked about star
seeds of like yeah, but thatdoesn't make you special like
everybody's done that.
So, uh, you know that aspect ofit.
But what I've been told byother people is that I'm a
minnetonkin star seed and thatis a fishy planet with mermaidy
type stuff.
So that's kind of ourconnection.

(52:18):
Um, but here on the human planet, how I have worked with Monty
has been across multiplelifetimes and I was an Oracle
like way back when for Monty aslike he was seen as a deity.
Monty was like I don't want tobe a deity, this isn't why I'm
here Like I don't like thiswhole hierarchy bit.

(52:41):
So he was like I'm not gonna dothis anymore and so the like
work, regular temple experiencekind of went by the wayside.
The message is dried up and forwhatever reason, he picked me
as the being that he was goingto continue to work with and
became on my spirit team.
The other feature about himthat's kind of unique versus

(53:03):
other spirit guides is he isalso a spirit guide channeling
instructor.
So they don't all know how tochannel.
It is a skill just for them, asit is for us, that they also
have to work on.
So that's why people get lotsof like spirit guide messages
and signs in physical realityall the time and some people
don't is that their team may bemore skilled at that, that

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they've worked on it.
So monty also teaches otherpeople that come to our school
to like they learn how tochannel on the human side, their
spirit guys are also gettingcoached on how to channel
because and I'll tell you, likedifferent sources of guidance
and different spirit guides,some of them are better channels
than others and it doesn'talways have to do with the

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person that's channeling.
It also has to do with thesource of guidance.
So, like, are they good atreading the person's energy to
figure out what's going on?
Are they talking to theirspirit team?
Do they have the spiritualknowledge and experience to
answer the questions thatsomeone's having?
Do they talk in only uh,flowery, like flowery language
that's not very applicable, thatwe don't know what to do with

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as humans because they are sodisconnected from the human
experience?
There's a lot of differentaspects to it.
So, in terms of who Monty is,that is my understanding.
I'm sure there's more that Idon't know.
I'm sure that maybe there'sparts of that that may not be
100% accurate.
I don't know and I'm okay withthat because I know him and we

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have this relationship togetherand the things that he shares in
channeling sessions are so spoton.
All the time of you know, weget somebody.
We have no idea who they are.
We do it with cameras off.
I can't read them whatsoever,like there's no indicator of who
they are, anything like thatand he's like you're going
through this, this and this andthis.

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These things are happening.
This is what your energy isdoing, this is what you need to
work on.
These are the exercisesenergetically to do and the
person leaves in their own thisstate of like calm and peace and
groundedness, and they'resitting there at the end like
dang dang.
How did he know all that?
Especially at the beginning,part of channeling was like how
does this even happen?

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Like I was still not quiteunderstanding it.
One of the first sessions thatI did with a friend she's a very
witchy person and it was backwhen I wasn't specifically
working with Monty and herspirit guide.
He used to do what's calleddoorkeeping.
So I would bring in Monty, hewould start the session and then
somebody else's spirit guidefrom their team would swap spots
with Monty, and then theirspirit guide would speak.

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And so Monty number one is likevetting the other guide to make
sure, a that they can channel,b that I should be working with
them and, c they should evenparticipate in this scenario and
they swap spots.

Frank (55:47):
I'm pretty sure that I've in my life meant met a, a
bouncer named Monty, before inclubs or bars or something.
Yeah.

Kim (55:53):
I'm not surprised.
He seems like you know.
If you're going to be namedMonty, you better have a chain,
you know.

Lauren (55:58):
Yeah.

Kim (56:00):
And a baseball.
His personality of like myMonty, is not like that at all.
They swap spots.
And this other being came inand like, gave her this all
these directions on how to dothis particular like witchy
activity with a purple candle.
I don't know anything aboutwitchy stuff, like I.
I almost went down that pathbut I was like, eh, not for me.

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That's great.
You know, I respect it, I havea lot of empathy and admiration
for it, but it doesn't resonatewith me.
So I don't really know anythingabout like candle colors and
all of that differentcorrespondent stuff, like I'd
never learned that.
Um, and gives her all thesedirections on this different
activity to do.
And she at the end of thesession is like you know, this

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morning I was at the shop thatshe works at and she was like,
and I got a purple candle and Idon't know why.
And now I know why, I know whatto do with it.
So it's that like level ofinbuilt trust of, like the only
reason why that spirit guidecame through is because Monty
let them and told me it was okayto try.
So it's it's been a developedrelationship over time.

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So even for me, like of whoMonty is.
It's our connection with eachother that matters more to me
and the things that he hasshared in this experience than
our previous experiences.
Like I could care less that Iwas an oracle for him eons ago,
it does not matter to me in thislife how often does it happen

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where, like someone else'sspirit guides very, very?
yeah, it doesn't happen as no.
Um, when I first startedchanneling, like, I felt like
monty wasn't enough and that wasfrom me of like how could my
spirit guide know enough aboutother people and what they need
to know, especially when?
he was curious about and it'sbecause he's kind of like a

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spirit guide plus, like he'she's not a conventional spirit
guide.
He's like his role is a littledifferent and what he's
explained it to me and whatother guides on my team have
explained it of, like the reasonwhy they wanted to call him
Monty is because energeticallyhe is not a spirit guide.
Most spirit guides their energyis lower because they're
connected to us all the time, sothey're vibrating at a lower

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frequency.
Basically, if, like, you thinkwe're solid ice, they're water
vapor and then there's likedifferent levels of water vapor,
right, so like barely watervapor in the spirit guides and
then you got like archangelsthey're higher up.
You got like the ascendedmasters they're higher up,
they're like up that temperaturescale basically.
So Monty is like closer to anarchangel or ascended master

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than he is a spirit guide.
But he decided to like step itdown and be on my spirit team
specifically so that way wecould do this work together.
This is explanation and be onmy spirit team specifically so
that way we could do this worktogether, is this explanation
and how often are you surprisedby the information that comes
out of your mouth?
like every day yeah, it's notshocking so much as I've gotten

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used to it now of like oh,that's weird, um, but even like
last night I taught a class ofhow to meet your spirit guides
for the first time for peoplewho had never done it before.
And he's in my ear going okay,this person is going through a
like really tough time.
You need to tell them thisinformation about their spirit
guide and why they're there.

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And said like hey, I wanted youto know like what you had to
share was really important to methat the spirit guides there.
I've been receiving thesemessages from them, but I wasn't
sure because, you know, I'm notreally experiencing it.
That's been really importantfor that person, but I would not
have like tuned in psychicallyin that way because I'm not I
don't really use my psychicskills in that fashion without

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him saying like hey, hey it'stime to tell them this.

Frank (59:47):
It's time to let them.
And does the channeling come?
Does this channeling come at acost, like an energetic cost, to
you?
Are you tired?
Anything afterwards?

Kim (59:52):
well, in fact, most of the time I feel better.
Um, I'm going throughperimetopause, yay and histamine
issues, as my hormones are likewonky and when I do channeling,
a lot of the time it's actuallyclearing the histamines out,
like when I channel.
Sometimes I start to like gothrough a histamine dump and

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often I I have an aura ring umto help me manage my chronic
illness stuff.
It will think I'm asleep whileI'm channeling, even though I'm
moving my hands because my heartrate goes so low.
It's kind of like active napthat's occurring Cause like I'm,
when I'm in that semi-consciousstate, like I'm still hearing

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what's what's being discussedand things like that, and like
monitoring enough, so that way Ican answer human questions
after the session, but I'm notinterfering, I'm kind of like in
the peanut gallery just sittingthere.
Yeah, I don't remember it later, like immediately after I
remember it, but like two orthree days I have like the
general gist of it, but I don'tknow exactly what he said and

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it's always it feels to me justlike I am really full of this
really beautiful energy.
I feel refreshed, I feelexpanded and I do like right
after I come out of channeling Ido have this like woozy sense
and I need to make sure I grounddown my energy really well.
But afterwards I'm not like.

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You know, it's not like havinga meeting that's really
difficult with a, with amarketing client, where it's
draining.
It's not like that, it's moreof like feeling refreshed
afterwards does monty have aparticular relationship with
your other guides?

Frank (01:01:32):
are they like?
Is it kind of awkward?

Kim (01:01:33):
like, oh, hey, man I do think there may be a certain
like hey man, sort of onlybecause they were like, you
should call him Monty, I thinkhe also.
He probably holds themaccountable and he's probably
like he's funny, he will telljokes and make people laugh, um,

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but he's not.
Some of the other guides arereally hilarious.
Some of them are really silly.
Um, some of them havepersonalities that are like
really big bold out there, um,like one of my guardian angels.
He always comes in looking likea combination between, like,
elton john and elvis presleythat's cool yeah, kind of guide.

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He's a little bit like he's,he's a little bit funny, but not
that funny.
So I think they kind of arelike god, this guy is so
freaking serious all the timefreaking fish guy oh my god, do
you exclusively channel monty?
now is aside from when you saidyou do publicly yeah, publicly,

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but for myself I will channelother stuff.
But at this point I've reallycommitted to working with Monty.
So, like it's our podcast Idon't talk about it as my
podcast, it's our podcast andlike it's our membership because
, like, every week we post achanneled message but then we do
a guided meditation together.
I do the first half, he doesthe second half where, like, we
do a group channeling, I do somelike this is what's happening

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and what you should be aware ofand where your energy may be,
and like kind of what I'm seeing, and lots of different clients,
and then we'll do thechanneling bit and that's his
bit.
So it's a lot of like balancebetween the two.
But he plans most of thepodcast episodes, like that's
his deal, so it's it'sdefinitely collaboration between
the two of us.
So we really like committed tothat.
But that doesn't mean that Iwon't channel other things in

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the future.
I have a feeling and, as well,I do channel other stuff for
myself.
So, like, I have a couple otherguides that I work with on
different issues, depending onwhat they are.
Every guide that's on your teamis there for a particular
purpose or has like a particularthing they're really good at.
So like I even have one guythat likes to work with me on
Facebook meta ads that like theymake recommendations and stuff

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like that.
So it really just depends andlike, dang, she was really she,
she did a good job for our event, that we got like a good CPA
and all of that.

Frank (01:04:01):
Oh, my gosh.

Kim (01:04:07):
It's.
It cracks me up.
Sometimes the things thatthey're there for especially on
other people's team, like montywill be like you have a guide
that's here to help you, youknow, like lose weight or
something like that, which seemsyou know it's really important
if that's something you'recommitted to improving your
health.
But when you look at it fromlike a losing weight, as a
spiritual mission, it's kind offunny because you don't really
think about it.

Frank (01:04:29):
Oh my gosh.

Lauren (01:04:30):
That's your.

Frank (01:04:30):
Richard Simmons is oh please, he's up there now.

Kim (01:04:35):
I'd love it.
We can all borrow RichardSimmons.
I'd love it.

Frank (01:04:38):
I need some of that juice .
Keep me moving, okay.

Lauren (01:04:43):
Sweating to the oldies.
Sorry, just don't know.

Frank (01:04:45):
I'm just gonna keep talking about richard simmons uh
, yes, show all your plugs outreal quick, tell people where to
find you and then we'll makesure we will talk to you next
time, or talk to monty yes, soyou can find me at kim
charlsoncom.

Kim (01:04:59):
we have a free guided meditation that you can use to
get connected with your spiritguides.
Whether you've done it beforeor not, it's a different process
that centers on what we'vetalked about today.
We also have a free channeledmini course, called soul brave,
to help you get in touch withthe bravery of your soul so that
you can start making choices inalignment.
That comes from monty, and youcan find us at vessel and voice

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podcast on any of your favoriteplatforms YouTube that you can
actually see me channeling andsee what Monty looks like and
what that experience is like.
So we hope that you find us andengage with us and, as always,
the best place to contact me ison Threads.
I'm on all of the social mediaplatforms, but Threads is the
only one that I like reallyrespond to, so if you want to
talk to me, ask questions, it'sthe place to be, that's perfect.

Frank (01:05:43):
Thank you so much for spending time with us today.

Lauren (01:05:45):
Yeah.

Frank (01:05:46):
I'm sorry.
Tell Monty we're sorry.
We didn't talk to him yet, butwe're going to get to him, I
promise.

Kim (01:05:49):
Oh, he knows he's ready.
What a delightful conversationthis has been.

Lauren (01:05:58):
It has gone through so many different places and I've
enjoyed it thoroughly.

Frank (01:06:01):
Thanks, kim.
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