094: Midlife By Human Design: Part 3 // with Lori Lisai

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Restlessness in your forties and fifties isn’t a crisis—it’s a portal. We chatted with Human Design guide Lori Lisai, who helps people turn uncertainty into body-based clarity, exploring gates, channels, profiles, and the timing that makes decisions feel clean instead of rushed. 

We unpack the identity center: if your G is undefined, you may shape-shift based on who you’re with. That isn’t fake—it’s intelligent energy. The key is choosing environments where you love who you are. From there, we dive into authority. Emotional authority asks for time; sacral and splenic move faster. Self-projected and mental rely on voice and environment. Reflectors ride lunar cycles. Whatever your type, honoring your tempo turns noise into signal.

Finally, we reframe the Uranus opposition. Culture calls it a midlife crisis; Lori calls it a checkpoint. Paired with Human Design, it becomes grounded practice. For many women in and after menopause, this becomes a spiritual redesign—less about boxes, and more about truth.

If you’re craving permission to change your mind, focus your energy, and choose a path that actually fits, this conversation will feel like a deep breath.  If this helped, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review to help more people find us.

To learn more about Lori or to work with her:

Visit: www.lorilisai.com/workwithlori

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Episode Transcript

Lauren (00:40):
Hello, you gorgeous sparkly treasures! In today's
episode, which is the final partof our human design series, we
talked with Lori Lasai, a humandesign expert who helps people
in their midlife return to theirtruth.
I'm Lauren Leon.
And I'm back!

Frank (00:57):
Brah.
I'm back! Brahbrack! Bah ba.
Get above that thing! And thisyou feel better!

Lauren (01:08):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition, and this is episode94 of Claire Voyaging.
Hello, pretty, pretty princesand princesses.

(01:43):
Oh that's nice for guys! I'vemissed you.

Frank (01:48):
Can I tell you something?

Lauren (01:49):
Yeah?

Frank (01:49):
You know what?
I was gonna sing in the intro,but I decided not to.

Lauren (01:53):
What?

Frank (01:53):
I was gonna sing Sam Smith, but then I realized that
when I sing that song, I soundlike Mickey Mouse.

Lauren (02:02):
What's what song is it?

Frank (02:03):
I'm so glad you asked.
You say I'm crazy.
Because you don't think I knowwhat you've done.
Do you sing it like that everytime?
No, I just went to go singFalsetto and I was like, that's
Mickey.

(02:24):
But when you call me baby.
Oh no, I'm not the only one.
Boy.

Lauren (02:35):
Oh my God.
Thank you for that.

Frank (02:39):
Yeah.

Lauren (02:40):
Thank you for sparing us in the intro, because I don't
think I would have recoveredquickly.
But also, thank you forsharing.

Frank (02:46):
You know, I had a couple of bouts of like kind of hitting
the notes in some of theintros, and I felt good about
it.
And I didn't want to go.
I didn't want to go to thewheel.

Lauren (02:54):
You don't want to ruin your flow.

Frank (02:56):
Sam Smith does the best, Sam Smith.
It should stay that way.

Lauren (03:01):
You won't find this anywhere else on any other
podcast.
And you're probably surprisedto find it here.
Maybe a little regretful ifthis is your first time on the
Claire Voyaging podcast.

Frank (03:13):
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Lauren (03:15):
It might be like, well, we're gonna we're gonna skip and
find something else.
But on that note, you guys,we've had some lovely five-star
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Frank (03:28):
My friend.

Lauren (03:30):
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Frank (03:47):
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Lauren (03:48):
Please do it.

Frank (03:49):
You know, we've been terrible at calls to action.
Yeah.
And I was reading a thing thatwas like, hey, you want your
show to grow?
Ask them to do nice things foryou.
I'm like, wait, what?

Lauren (04:00):
No, I don't tell anybody to do anything, and they don't
tell me.
No, uh, we don't like to askfor stuff.
We and we don't ask forsupport, we don't ask for help,
especially this guy.
Help me.
But but okay, but in this case,you'll hear us do it more now
because that's what they say youneed to do.

Frank (04:19):
I love that you approach a hundred episodes of a thing
and we say, wait, marketing.

Lauren (04:25):
We were doing it a lot more, and now here we are again.
You're welcome.

Frank (04:30):
We got too comfortable.

Lauren (04:31):
Also, we're gonna keep it going and say, just a

reminder (04:34):
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Frank (05:00):
Evolve ourselves, is what you meant to say.

Lauren (05:02):
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Frank (05:18):
I had to design hearts and I designed Hearts and Stars
underwear, and Lauren said,please put those away.

Lauren (05:24):
Do not put that on our website.

Frank (05:26):
Fine.
Fine.

Lauren (05:28):
He had underwear and boxers.
You know what, you guys, if youwant that, send us put a
comment.

Frank (05:38):
Make daddy happy.
Which is something that no oneshould say while talking about
underwear.

Lauren (05:44):
No.
Also, there's a candle on therethat says, Don't bother me, I'm
manifesting.
And Frank designed all ofthese, and you know what?
I just really like them a lot.
So I wanted to share that withyou.
And now we're gonna talk toLori because she is a delightful
person.

Frank (06:01):
What a knowledge fest we had.

Lauren (06:04):
Yeah.
It was a great conversation.
And uh you've learned about thebasics and the fundamentals of
human design with the with thetypes, with the profiles.
And she goes a little bit moreinto the channels and the gates.

Frank (06:20):
And specifically, we talk about some Saturn return style
human design stuff.

Lauren (06:25):
Yeah.

Frank (06:26):
So uh in other words, midlife human design
adjustments.

Lauren (06:31):
Yeah.

Frank (06:32):
And it's really cool for those of us in our midlife.

Lauren (06:37):
Also, one final thing.
If you are on video and you cansee, look at this.

Frank (06:45):
Lauren is wearing a tiny oh, okay.
It looked like she was wearinga tiny little elf hat, but
there's an elf.

Lauren (06:50):
You see our elf?

Frank (06:51):
There's an elf on the shelf.

Lauren (06:52):
Her name is Figgy, and she is currently on the lamp.
And it looks like I'm wearingher hat.
So that's fun.
All right, time to play it.
Hit it.
Let it rip, Lori.
Thank you so much for joiningus today on Claire Voyaging.
We are so excited to hear yourstory and how you use human

(07:17):
design in your work.
So, can you give us somebackstory?
How'd you get into this?
Tell us a little bit aboutyourselves.
Yourself, yourselves.
I told you I was one time.

Lori (07:27):
Tell us my oneself, my single definition self.
Uh thank you so much for havingme, Lauren and Frank.
Uh, it's great to be here.
And yeah, I was a teacher for acouple of decades and then
pivoted in 2021.
I had started to dive intohuman design in 2019 and just

(07:55):
found myself fascinated with it.
I've always been interested inastrology and, you know, oracle
decks and all the all the woothings.
And human design just felt tome like I don't know, like there
was so much to learn.
And still, I mean, I'm sixyears in and still learning.

(08:21):
It's such an in-depth system.
And I feel like it gives uslanguage to speak to when we're
going through big changes.
So when I when I first starteddoing the work, I was just doing
lots of readings, mostly forfriends and family and you know,
getting to know the system andkind of practicing with people.

(08:43):
And then uh in the last yearand a half, two years or so, is
when I started to talk moreabout its application in midlife
because so many people in thisphase of life are facing those
big questions.
You know, it's uh your Uranusopposition is happening around

(09:07):
your uh early 40s.
That's the classic like midlifecrisis kind of timing.
And that's when oftentimespeople get this, you know, big
life, some sort of life momentthat happens that has you
questioning things.
For me, I didn't leave teachinguntil uh just before I turned

(09:31):
50.
So, you know, it was later, butduring the work that I've been
doing in the last couple ofyears, I've noticed a
correlation between, especiallyfor women, how women get to this
point of life and they'removing into menopause, where

(09:53):
they're just like shedding theircares and they care a lot less
about having to fit into theboxes or check the boxes.
And they they oftentimes arelooking for what's next.
They're not quite sure, butthey just know they don't want
to keep doing what they've beendoing for decades.
And so human design, I think,is such a fantastic tool to give

(10:19):
you the language to start toget curious and gives it gives
you some direction because itasks questions or can potenti
has the potential for questionsthat are focused on you, exactly
you and how your energy worksand how you're, you know, who I
say it's who you came here tobe.

(10:39):
And the work is in shedding theshoulds, is like pulling off
all of those, you know, feelinglike you should do something and
instead actually following whatyou feel like is true for you.

Lauren (10:54):
That's so great.
That is there a common responseto women that you work with
where they go like, oh, that'swhy I've done this, this, this,
you know, like where somethinglike clicks into place and
they're like, ohing this answersso many questions.

Lori (11:15):
Yeah.
Oh God, yeah.
Uh I think one of the mostpowerful pieces of human design
is how much it has the potentialfor giving us permission to do
the things that, you know, it'sit's oftentimes those voices in
the back of our, you know, thosequiet little voices like we

(11:38):
talk about on this pod all thetime, right?
That intuitive knowing, thatintuitive hit.
Uh, and human design just putsit in black and white for you.
You know, it shows you right onyour chart, like, yeah,
actually, this is this is whatum what you were thinking or
what you were, you know, how youfelt.

(11:58):
And it's written right here inyour chart, and you can see why
that might be that you'refeeling that way, or you know,
expressing yourself that way, orfeeling like that is what
you're drawn to.

Lauren (12:12):
Yeah, someone was just I was just in like a one-on-one
session with um, like I guessshe's kind of like my mentor.
And she was she's into humandesign.
She was like, Let me look takea look at your gate 11 or
something.
I'm not really into I don'treally know the gates or
anything, but it was somethingabout like that's your son, and

(12:37):
mine is meant to be sharing mywisdom from experience or or
something like that.
And it was like, she it waslike exactly what I was just
talking about, and I'm like,man, what the hell?

Lori (12:51):
Yeah, oh my gosh, I love that.
Um, yeah, that's your sun gate.
So that's what it was, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So like people will ask youfrom an astrology standpoint,
what is your sun sign?
Right.
And and so for example, I'm acancer sun, and what human
design does is goes anotherlayer deeper to break down each

(13:16):
of the sun signs into five orsix gates.
So the sun spends about sixdays in each gate.
So it's roughly, you know, fiveto six, depending on when the
sun transitions.
Um, so you can be, for example,for me, I'm a 52 sun, which is

(13:38):
all about stillness.
It's all about you know,learning how to wait for the
right timing, how to kind ofchill and bring chill to other
people.
You'll bring that vibe, I willsay.
So, which is exactly it's yourit's kind of your main vibe.

(14:00):
And and then the next gate thatuh the sun transitions into
after 52 is 39.
So 39 cancers, they're gonna bethat gate is all about uh like
fighting for what's right.
And, you know, it's kind of anactivism type of energy where

(14:21):
you're, you know, it's cancerstill.
So you're it's like protectingyour people and doing right by
by who you consider family andyour your tribe, so to speak,
but it's a very differentexpression of the cancer energy
than like the chill, you know,the kind of stillness in the the

(14:42):
calm of the in the middle ofthe storm type of energy.
So it's one thing that I loveabout human design is you it
it's so layered.
Obviously, it's you know, fivedifferent systems thrown
together.
Um, so you get that layered umkind of feeling in the chart,

(15:03):
and you can ask, you know, morespecific questions because of
that.
So, and your sun sign, your sungate has the most, you know, uh
of the energy in your chart.
It's 70% of the energy.
So there's a lot there.
But a lot of people uhespecially if they've been kind

(15:23):
of I call it shitting all overyourself, you know?
If they've been doing that,yeah, yeah, right.
If they've been doing a lot ofthat for their whole lives, then
sometimes their sun sign canfeel really uh like foreign,
foreign to them.

Frank (15:41):
So wait, this is the thing I always say.
This is the thing I always say,that's the thing.
See, finally some confirmation.
I always I'm always saying,like, there's a lot, there's
some people who like you talk tosomeone, they're like, I don't
really believe in astrology.
And then you're like, okay,hold on.
Watch this.
I'm about to blow your mind,and then you go read their
stuff, and you're like, huh,that doesn't actually sound like

(16:02):
you at all.
That sucks.
Yeah.
But then I've always I'vealways had a theory that like
for whatever reason those peoplehave strayed so far from what
they're supposed to be doing,and uh that they should be
closer to what theirastrological sign is actually
saying about them.

Lori (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Um, and they, you know, I thinkit could be conditioning, you
know, it could be that they'vebeen pulled off.
It could also be birth time.
You know, sometimes thingschange a lot with birth time.
Um, so I, you know, there areparts of the chart that can
change a lot.

(16:40):
For example, the variables,those arrows up at the top and
those numbers, those change veryquickly over the course of a
day versus, you know, sometimesyour type doesn't change as
often.
Um, but it really depends onthe placements, you know.
And I think what you're sayingabout the conditioning is is
definitely right on.

(17:01):
And, you know, how much are youliving your life based on what
what other people expect of youor would prefer from you versus
what really feels true for you?

Frank (17:12):
Which kind of feels like the entire point of our podcast
at this point.

Lori (17:14):
Yeah.

Lauren (17:16):
Exactly.
How do you how do you ifsomeone's looking at their rave
chart like I am right now?
Can you tell me where you findyour sun gate?

Lori (17:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
So in the I'm looking at yoursright now, if you if you look at
the chart itself, you'll seethat you have two columns on the
sides, one on the right handside, one on the left.
And in a traditional chart, theuh colors are gonna be red and
black.

(17:49):
And so the black side on theright hand side is your
personality side or yourconscious side.
Human design likes to giveparts of the chart multiple
names.
So it just makes it a littlemore confusing.
But so your personality side,it's that very top number.

(18:10):
So the very first number on theright hand side of the chart in
that column.
So for example, um for Frank,your son is in gate nine.
And I don't know if you heardany information about that um in
the in the last conversationthat you had.

Frank (18:31):
Uh no, we didn't talk about gates in depth at all.

Lori (18:34):
Okay, so um I'm curious about this for you, how this
plays out for you.
It's it's the gate of details,it's the gate of focus, uh, and
understanding how to be focusedon something.
And uh and details are kind ofyour friend, you know.
Uh you are specific, yeah,about the details.

(18:57):
So, do you find that is truefor you?

Frank (18:59):
I mean, I'm the one who on the show takes the notes.

Lori (19:02):
Yeah.
Okay, I love that.
Yes.
Well, the other thing that'sinteresting about yours um is
you have it both consciously andunconsciously defined.
So it's also in yourunconscious Mars.
So again, speaking to theleveled nature of human design,

(19:24):
uh, you have gate placementsthat are in energy centers,
which you see on the chartitself.
And then you also have everysingle gate is has a planetary
placement.
And your unconscious Mars uh isin, let's see, I'm gonna take
you down another road here.

Lauren (19:44):
Let's go.

Lori (19:45):
All right, all right, connected to something called
the gene keys.
So the gene keys are likeanother sort of offshoot of
human design.
They're a deeper, uh kind ofmore contemplative look at each
of the 64 gates of human design.
And they're Richard Rudd is thefounder of this system, the

(20:10):
gene key system.
And he he created thesepathways, essentially.
And the unconscious Marsplacement is an important
placement because it's your corewound.
So essentially, what that meansis for you, uh, I kind of look

(20:30):
at your body graph chart, yourrave chart as a um as a soul
assignment.
You know, it's like this isthis is the curriculum that you
came in with.
And so you assigned yourself,like, okay, I'm gonna have this
core wound around details,around working in a really fine

(20:51):
way about things, and also in afocusing.
And potentially I might havesome challenges with focusing,
you know, a lot of people whohave only gate nine and do not
have gate 52 can exhibitmannerisms or you know, um,
characteristics of ADHD.

(21:11):
Um not always, but sometimes.
Um and and so you you said,okay, I'm gonna have this as my
sun sign, and just to make itfun, I'm gonna make it my core
wound too.
So I'm gonna make it that thingthat is like the Achilles heel

(21:32):
of my life, and I'm gonna learnso much about it, and my son is
gonna shine all the light on it,and then when I feel like I've
learned this is gonna be, thisis gonna become my medicine.
This is gonna be something thatI can truly offer to others and
help others heal where theyhave this uh this difficulty.

(21:56):
How does that resonate?

Frank (21:58):
Yeah, yes, yes.
So A D D.
So I have this is how itpresents for me.
I I love to learn.
I like have to learn.
I do it all the time aboutanything, about too much.

(22:19):
And you should see my to-dolist.
Um, it is all important andit's all over the place.
Some people will be like, Ihave to make that phone call or
do that task.
And I I'll be like, I have to,you know, um uh take the car to

(22:45):
the car wash, pick up the kids,and then I really have to figure
out why succulents grow the waythey do, because I don't know
why they're so different fromother plants.
Like, but I'm maybe notkidding.
So yeah, it's it's like a mylike core interface in the
world, but also I can get soburied in the things that I need

(23:06):
to figure out and learn thatsometimes pushing that all into
like okay, can we like dosomething that I don't know
makes money now is is a legitchallenge.

Lori (23:18):
Yeah.

Frank (23:19):
So yes, yes.

Lori (23:21):
So knowing what to focus on can be a real challenge with
this gate.
Um, yeah.
And I have the whole channel,so I have the 52 9.
Um, so the nine is thecomplement, the electromagnetic
to my 52.
You can see the 52 is in theroot and it's reaching up to the

(23:43):
nine, and the nine reachesdown.
Yeah.
So when you have the fullchannel, then you have a little
more, at least like naturalenergy to be able to like sit
for long periods of time andfocus on one thing.
So for me, how that plays outis I can get into a project and

(24:05):
work for hours on it.
And I get so frustrated withpeople when they interrupt me.

Lauren (24:13):
Oh, yeah.

Lori (24:14):
Um, yeah, which versus you know, somebody who just has the
nine may not find that.
However, um, let me just look.
Um, if you have anybody in yourhouse, so Lauren does not have
the 52, but if anybody in yourhouse has the 52 and you're

(24:34):
around them, then that's gonnalike lock in that energy for
you.
So I don't know if either ofyour kids have that.
Um, but they're, you know, ifyou're ever around a 52, they're
gonna kind of help you withthat energetically.
And this is why it's kind offun to go work in, you know, a

(24:54):
place where you're around otherpeople because they can you sort
of borrow energy from otherpeople.

Frank (25:02):
Yeah, we we've like Lauren and I have looked into
the concept of like blendingfields basically and like
completing uh, I guess,circuits.
What do we call it?
Completing channels.

Lauren (25:13):
Mm-hmm.

Frank (25:14):
No one in this house has no, we are 52 less.

Lauren (25:17):
Okay.

Frank (25:19):
I will say that I have like developed some learned
learned behavior of how tocorrect that, but it doesn't
help my laundry list of stuffthat I want to do.
It's still hard to choosewhat's the next correct thing to
get into.

Lori (25:31):
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, you're amanifesting generator and you're
a one-four, you know.
So the fact that you're aone-for, um, so this is I'm
talking about your profile now.
Yeah.
Um, you know, the the one,wait, yes.
Um, the one four, that one lineis what you're talking about.
Like, I want to know all thethings about all the things,

(25:55):
right?
It's like I can't, I can'tpossibly know enough of the
things.
And uh, and then you findsomething new and you're like,
oh my god, tell me more of thethings.
So it's uh exactly it.
Yeah, that's it.

Lauren (26:10):
That's okay.

Lori (26:11):
Yes, yes.
Um, one lines love that.
And I'm speaking to you from afellow one line because I am a
five-one.
So okay.
Yes.
So I can I can relate to that.
Um, and for you, it's consciousenergy.
So because it's in that firstline placement, you know, you're
getting, you know it, you know,you know it's there and you you

(26:34):
can talk, you know, easily andand uh freely about it.
Versus for me, I I mean, I'maware of it, but I don't
necessarily, I don't know.
I I think other people see itin me more so than I see it in
myself, you know.
And then that that fourcomponent wants to be uh it's a

(26:57):
it's a networking, you know, acommunity kind of vibe.
Uh but it's also because it'sso they each of these lines, the
one and the four are um are inthe trigram, they're on the
lowest part of the trigram.
So the six profile lines aresplit into two trigrams, one,

(27:19):
two, and three, and then four,five, and six.
And when you split them up andyou look at the one being on the
bottom part of the firsttrigram, and then the four being
on the bottom part of thesecond trigram, essentially what
that is telling you is howimportant like foundations are
for you.
So I have a one-four um son whois now in college.

(27:47):
He just went um this year ishis first year as a freshman.
And, you know, freshman year, Ithink, can be kind of a
struggle for most kids, justtransitioning.
And, you know, he's doing okay,but we've I've definitely
talked to him just aboutreminding him that it takes a

(28:08):
bit to rebuild your foundationand to feel comfortable in new
spaces.
And you said that you justmoved, you know, over the
summer.
So I yeah.
So I'm curious how that feltfor you and how you know, do you
find yourself staying in placesfor long periods of time or

(28:29):
like how has that played outover your life?

Frank (28:31):
Let's just say this.
Um, I I learned about somethingcalled relocation grief.
Because I had to.

Lauren (28:42):
Yeah.

Frank (28:43):
So it was difficult.
It was difficult.
And like I think we're over thehump.
It's been three months.
Yeah but you know, I know I'veread that it could take you know
up to nine months.
But yeah, it was uh it was adaily struggle of like, oh no,
like I don't know anything oranywhere, or uh even like how to
what are my routines, you knowwhat I mean?

(29:04):
So yeah, it was wild.
It's and I think you're feelingbetter about it now, right?

Lauren (29:09):
Yeah, me too.

Frank (29:10):
Yeah, I think it was a three-month, some three-month
hump for us.

Lori (29:13):
Yeah.
And I can't, so Lauren is athree-five, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
So for you, like, you know,that these kinds of big
transitions will probably feel alittle bit different.
I mean, obviously you'repartners, so you're going to
feel the energy that both of youis experiencing.

(29:35):
But for, you know, for athree-five, um, I'm married to a
three-five, and I mean, I thinkhe's an intense guy.
I don't know if uh especiallyand he's also a manifesting
generator.
I don't know if you feel likeyou identify with intensity as
part of who you are.

(29:56):
Um not really.

Frank (29:58):
That's actually kind of funny.

Lauren (30:00):
I wouldn't say I'm I wouldn't say I'm like I feel
things deeply.
I wouldn't say I'm like a superintense person.
But I'm but I also know thatI've like quieted some parts of
myself.

Frank (30:16):
Learn learn filters a lot, yeah.

Lauren (30:17):
Yeah, like that's just like potentially learned
behavior through like a traumaresponse.

Frank (30:25):
And from being a woman in this world, and that, yeah.

Lori (30:28):
Right, and that, and that that's a really great point,
Frank, because I think that um Ithink about the manifesting
generators, the women who I knowwho are through.
And um yeah, intensity feelslike a positive, you know,
attribute for men, but I'm notsure if it feels like that for

(30:51):
women, right?
Women kind of right.
So I I would say, you know, andyou you have six of your energy
centers are defined.
So there's, you know, you are,you do have a lot of energy that
you're sharing.
And the the three-fivecomponent is like this.
Um, the reason I say intense isbecause there's this real

(31:15):
experimentation component to thethree, you know, like trying,
throwing spaghetti at the wall,seeing what sticks.
And maybe literally, yeah,yeah, okay.
Yeah.
And then uh, and then fromthose experiments, you're
solving problems.
That's the five piece.
That so um the beautifulcombination of the three, five

(31:38):
is that when you're solvingproblems, it's not just from,
oh, well, I learned this, youknow, from a book, I learned
this from my research.
It's more like I learned thisfrom real life, you know,
struggles and figuring out itout on my own, which I think can
lend, you know, its ownintensity to uh to what you have

(32:00):
to to offer and share.
But I'm curious if thatresonates.

Lauren (32:05):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I have a lot of things that I'mable to tell people like, well,
don't do this because I didthat and it didn't go so well.
Like, let me let me spare you,you know, five extra years of
being in the wrong relationshipor at the wrong job that's like

(32:27):
draining you, or you know, likeso many things that I can be
like, can I talk to you aboutit?
Because I want to tell you whatmy experience was and maybe
it'll help you.

Lori (32:40):
I love it.
I love it.
And and I could see how movingthrough uh through a transition
such as relocating your house,you know, you would bring a
little bit more of thepotentially the lightness of
vibe, you know, like, okay,well, we're just gonna try.
Like, okay, how are we settingup our room?

(33:01):
Well, let's just try this andsee how it works.
And hopefully, in seeing thatand seeing her lightness, then,
you know, the one four who likeneeds that foundation can can be
comforted a bit by that whilealso seeing the you know, the

(33:22):
foundation kind of being builtfrom her willingness to just
like play with things and figureit out.

Frank (33:29):
Yeah.
Let me tell you something.
The older that I get, the I'm alittle becoming a little less
comfortable going intosituations that I'm not, I don't
know like what's going on orwhere it is, or where's this
place?
Like, where do I park?

Lauren (33:43):
You know, like yeah.

Frank (33:46):
But if Lauren's there, I'm always just like, she's
like, I I consider her my likelike on the road like field
tester.
She's like, oh, well, thislooks right.
I'm always like, I need youreyes, I need your eyes, you
know.
I can focus in on the wrongthing.
And she's like, How did you notsee that sign?
Because I wasn't expecting it.

Lauren (34:07):
And oh my god, that's exactly I'll I'll see it in like
two seconds.
I'm like, you're supposed to gothat way.
And he's like, What?
What's like 20 seconds behindme?
And I'm like, come on, it'sfollowing anybody.

Frank (34:21):
I consider myself very like perceptive, but I have to
move at at the pace that I'mcomfortable to perceive all the
things I want.
Which is actually really funnybecause last night, as an
example, um, we so we're we'restill we're still in the process
of like getting all the stuffout of the old the our last
town.
So I still had like a tra atravel trailer that I was over

(34:42):
that was over there.
So last night um I had to hookit up to a truck and like drive
it out here to San Diego, whichis a long, long drive, right?
And when you're pulling it,when you're pulling a trailer,
you gotta move a little slower.
You just gotta be safe, yougotta cruise.
And once I got to the areathat, like, you know, closer to
San Diego, an area that I'm notsuper comfortable with, because

(35:02):
I was driving so slow, I hadmore time to like kind of look
around.
I was like, I don't recognizeany of this.
Because that's for there'ssomething about like pasting uh
and like um and processing timefor me.
Or usually I'm just like, oh,okay, Lauren, tell me where to
go.
Like, I trust you.

(35:22):
She's like my she's like myGoogle Maps.

Lauren (35:25):
But you were on your own.

Frank (35:26):
I was on my own.

Lauren (35:27):
Alone and scared.
Scared.

Lori (35:33):
I love it.
And it's uh I can hear yourgate nine talking, you know,
it's that like hyper focus onsomething, but not necessarily
the you know, the right thingnecessarily in the moment.

Frank (35:47):
100%.
Yeah.
I actually I like that as mygeneral problem in life is just
focusing on the wrong thing.

Lauren (35:55):
You almost you were considering like years ago
getting a tattoo that saidfocus.

Frank (36:00):
Oh, yeah, I was gonna get a tattoo that said focus.

Lori (36:03):
Oh my god.

Lauren (36:05):
If human does it's right, if this stuff isn't real,
I know but I think it it'sbecause you like wanted to
remind yourself to focus.

Frank (36:16):
It was to choose a focus.
Yeah, it was to always try tofocus on one thing instead of
everything.
I'm always, like I said, my myto-do list.

Lori (36:22):
Yeah, yeah, it's your core wound, you know.
It's yeah, it's gonna continueto you came here to learn that
lesson, you know.

Frank (36:30):
So not everyone's core wound is also their Mars, right?
That's just a special Frankthing.

Lori (36:35):
No, um, not everyone's core wound will be their son.
Your son, I'm sorry, yeah.
Yeah, but your core wound isyour Mars placement, that is
your unconscious Mars placementin particular.
But you Where do you see yourMars placement?

Frank (36:49):
It's that so these are like the astrological symbols.

Lauren (36:52):
So I don't know which one Mars is.

Lori (36:54):
So Mars is the the circle with a little arrow pointing out
of it.
So in the chart, it's aboveJupiter, which looks like a
four.

Lauren (37:05):
Mine says 33.4.
What does this mean?
It's going halfway to 13.

Lori (37:13):
Going halfway is called um, it's called a hanging gate.
So, and and it can be um it canbe either dormant or hanging, I
guess.
So if it's in a defined center,which means the center is
colored in, we're getting into alot of the like more advanced

(37:34):
principles here because we'retalking about gates.
So hopefully your listeners arekeeping up with us or just like
willing to listen and you knowlearn and learn by osmosis here.
Yeah.
Um so you have uh 33 isreaching for 13, 33 is in the
throat, and it's reaching downfor 13.

(37:55):
And so because it's in yourdefined throat, which just means
that your throat is colored in,it's called a hanging gate.
And what that means is in orderto really kind of feel the
essence of this gate, you youhave to lock in, you have to

(38:17):
like borrow the 13 fromsomebody.
Otherwise, it's just kind ofsitting there chilling.
It's not like really going toyou know feel activated to you
all the time.
And then the dormant gates arein undefined centers.
So if your center is white,then it's undefined.

(38:40):
So for example, you have umgate 46 in your G center or your
identity center, that's adormant gate.
And you get the same kind offeeling there.
You don't really like have thatenergy or notice that energy as

(39:01):
much until somebody comes alongwith gate 29 and turns that on.
And then that's actually goingto either way, if they have 13
or they have 29, both of thoseplacements are going to um
activate your G center for thattime, which means that you'll

(39:21):
kind of borrow that energy of,you know, knowing what direction
you're going in and kind ofhaving this different sense of
who you are when you're in theirpresence.
Does that make sense?
Okay.

Frank (39:35):
So does the person that you're so if you're near a
person that has uh a 13 or uhand you need a 13, is that just
like a is that like a sterile13, or is it that that person's
like version of a 13 that Laurenmight need?
I so I have a 13, so I I'm I Iyeah, I guess I can complete
Lauren's channel.

Lauren (39:55):
Let me see.

Frank (39:56):
Is she getting a flavor of Frank's 13 or is it?

Lori (40:00):
Oh god, yeah.

Frank (40:01):
Yeah, if somebody else came around with a 13, is is it
like, oh, now it's like Bob's 13and we don't like Bob.

Lori (40:07):
Right.
Yeah.
Um, you know, I would say thatit's it's specific to the
individual.
It's like Frank's 13 or Bob's13, because we, you know, we
break apart human design toteach it, but we in reality,
we're we're one human, right?
We have all of the differentlayers.

(40:27):
So when you're talking aboutfocus, for example, it's like,
okay, I could hear you talkingabout your gate nine, but I was
also hearing the manifestinggenerator in there.
I was hearing the one four, youknow, like there are different
layers to um to all the pieces.
So so yeah, you're bringingyour individual feeling.
But what's interesting um iswith the with completing

(40:51):
somebody, especially with theopen or undefined G center, um,
open and undefined Gs will theytend to take on other people's
personalities a bit, or they'relike shape shifters, you know.
So Lauren here when she's doingthe pod with Frank might be a

(41:11):
different Lauren than she iswhen she goes to, you know,
parent-teacher conferences andshe has to show up to, you know,
be the mom, or when she goes tosome uh to visit her parents,
you know, she might be adifferent version of Lauren.
Does that make sense?
100%.

Lauren (41:30):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this is the the um likediamond shape in the middle.
That's okay.
Because mine is not colored in,that means I can kind of change
chameleon.
Who I am.

Frank (41:47):
You know what's crazy is Lauren did spent a lot of time
uh in the improv community.
And I would imagine that thatwould be like a benefit in that
space.

Lori (41:57):
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
And having a defined throat,like that would be a huge
benefit too, like just havingthat easy access to your voice,
you know, coming right up fromum from your solar plexus, like
coming right up from thatfeeling.
Um yeah, and and defined G'sare you know a little more

(42:23):
consistent, you know?
They're they're gonna be morethe same in different scenarios.

Lauren (42:30):
That that's you.

Frank (42:33):
Yep.

Lauren (42:34):
Yeah, I feel like I shift a little bit more based on
what either someone else's vibeor what the situation calls
for.
Not that I'm like, you know, afake person or something, but my
I feel like my general likevibe will change.
Our listeners might even noticebased on like our guest,

(42:56):
sometimes like my energy willchange a little bit or um yeah,
different settings.
There are people who have noidea that maybe even that I work
with or whatever, that I havethis kind of like big energy,
silly side that it's just like Iimitate people's voices and I'm

(43:18):
ridiculous and all that stuff.
They've never seen that side ofme.

Frank (43:21):
Yeah.

Lauren (43:22):
It took a while even for like me to show certain
elements of myself to like yourparents who were very open and
funny.

Frank (43:29):
Right.

Lauren (43:30):
But I would like come out with like, you know, a
ridiculous song or a weirdimpression or something.
They'd be like, What?
Who is or they'd see me performor something and be like, what?

Frank (43:44):
Right.
Yeah.

Lori (43:46):
You mentioned earlier that uh something about being in a
relationship for too long.
And this is some, yeah, this issomething that I have worked
with a number of clients aboutin regards to relationships,
thinking about leavingrelationships.
When you have an undefined oropen G center, it's like you're

(44:08):
you are taking on and amplifyingthe energy of the people that
you're spending time with.
And it can, it can be reallyhard to understand that who you
are when you're with that personisn't, you know, a reflection
of who your, you know, how yourtruth is actually expressed.

(44:30):
And it's important then for youto be with somebody who you
feel really good with, you know,who you feel like comfortable
with, who you you sort of wantto be able to say, I love who I
am when I'm with you.
That is such an importantphrase for an undefined G.

(44:50):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.

Lauren (44:52):
That's super that's so interesting.
Do you find that a lot of likewomen that are maybe I don't
want to say crisis, like midlifecrisis, but like that are maybe
having that transition, likethey have the open G center?

Lori (45:09):
Um, hmm.
I I wouldn't say that it'senough to, you know, say it's a
pattern necessarily.
Um but I mean the the G centeris also the center for
direction.
So certainly if it's undefinedor open, that that just means

(45:30):
that you you kind of you kind offunction in a way where life
has to just kind of bring youstuff and it unfolds versus with
a defined G center, they'remore like, I know where I'm
going.
I'm headed here.
This is kind of the road I'mon, this is the path I'm on,
versus, you know, the undefinedcan be like, well, what do I do?

(45:53):
Where do I go?
What do I do now?
You know, what direction do Itake?
God story of my life, Lori.
Yes, yes, which is why it'sreally important to use your
strategy and authority, youknow, um, which are, you know,
those are kind of the hallmarks.
Like we're getting into a lotof the specifics of human
design, but it always comes backto just trusting that

(46:17):
intuition, you know, trustingyour inner knowing.
For for both of you, well,wait, are you both emotional?
Yes.
So for both of you, it's abouttaking your time to make
decisions and really feelinginto it.
And um for no timesharemeetings.

Frank (46:39):
No timeshare meetings for us.
It's a bad call.

Lori (46:41):
Oh my god, right?
Yeah, no, no.
Anybody who wants you to make adecision right away, just tell
them no, period.

Frank (46:49):
Yes.
Literally, did I just say thatthe other day?
I will not get pressured into adecision again.

Lori (46:55):
Yeah, good.
Yay! Oh my gosh.
It's such a game changer foremotional authorities to learn
that, you know, and it's it'shard because our society sort of
applauds people who can make inthe moment decisions, you know,
like it's some kind ofsuperpower, right?
Oh, you're, you know, you havesuch authority uh if you can

(47:16):
make a decision right in themoment.
But it it's like 50% of thepopulation is designed with an
emotional authority.
So half of the world is here tolike wait.
Um that's so important.
Yes.
Um, and for so for Lauren, youremotional um authority is

(47:37):
connected right to your throat.
Um it's un it's an unconsciouschannel.
Um I would just encourage youto like talk things out, you
know, when you are makingdecisions.
Um, I think that would bereally helpful.
And then, but for um for Frank,it's it's a little different.

(48:01):
He, I mean, he does have hissacral is connected right to the
throat, but that's a differentkind of energy.
He doesn't like his ability totalk through emotions is going
to be different than yourconnection to it.
But your connection to yourdesires and what you really
want, that's what's fueling yourdecisions.

(48:25):
It's coming from the heartcenter.
So, um, so you know, to knowthat about one another and to
know, okay, well, in ourdecision-making process, it's
gonna take us time.
Um, but for Frank, he's gonnabe bringing to the table what
is, you know, what is reallysitting on your heart?
What is your kind of beingselfish?

(48:45):
Like, what are your heart'sdesires?
And then for Lauren, it's gonnabe more like talking out your
feelings about it.
So it plays out in differentways.

Frank (48:55):
You know what's funny is not exactly now that I'm
thinking about how we like talkabout like group decisions,
family decisions, a lot of thetime it's like it's like, oh
well, I'll sit down with Lauren.
I'm like, you're not talking.
What do you want?
What do we want?
What do we want?
Because uh and to a certainextent, I'm like, what do I
want?

(49:15):
But then Lauren starts talking,I'm like, that feels good.
Yeah, I like this.
And then she's like, okay.
It's it's just a weird likedynamic.

Lauren (49:25):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But also if I don't have theopportunity to like talk through
something.

Frank (49:31):
Or if you're feeling like if you're feeling like crushed
for some reason.

Lauren (49:34):
Yeah.
Then I'm like, like sometimesI'll be like, just let me speak
because I'm I'm working throughit as I'm saying it out loud.
And yeah.
And I think sometimes becauseyou don't do that, right?
Yours is all up in your head.
And I'm like, I'm working thisout as I'm saying it.
I don't need you to fix it yet.
I just need to chat it out.

Frank (49:57):
Let's be clear.
It's not up in my head.
My head is just spinningpossibilities.
I but when we make decisions, II do like feel it first.

Lauren (50:04):
Right.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Frank (50:06):
Oh man, I can give you, I can give you options for days.

Lauren (50:09):
Wait, so okay, I I have a question about the authority
because one, can you just give aa brief explainer on authority?
And two, I feel like I get kindof both things where people
some people say if yourauthority is emotional, it's

(50:29):
that sacral, like it's a yes ora no.
Like just ask yourself thatquestion.
But then I also hear that it'semotional.
So I'm I get confused easily onthis.

Lori (50:42):
Yeah.
Um, so authority is your innerdecision maker.
And what human design teachesis essentially it's not about
making decisions with yourlogical mind.
It's about tuning into whatfeels right, tuning into that
inner, like knowing, innerintuition.
And then there are sevendifferent kinds of authorities,

(51:07):
though, and they workdifferently in our bodies.
And even within the authoritiesthemselves, like even if you
have the same authority, like wejust talked about, you both
have an emotional authority.
Even those can functiondifferently, you know.
So um you, so emotionalauthority is 50% of the
population.

(51:27):
Um, they're the main thing thatneeds to happen for you if
you're emotional is taking yourtime.
That's kind of the bigoverarching theme.
And it sometimes can beconfusing for the terminology
emotional, because people think,oh, well, I make decisions
based on, you know, my emotions.

(51:49):
And that's not it, especiallyif you are a generator type,
either a generator or amanifesting generator, because
if you make a decision based onyour sacral response, which is
what you were just talkingabout, that gut feeling, that
like, ooh, yes, you know, whenyou feel pulled to something or

(52:09):
excited about something, if youmake a decision in the moment,
right?
It's like bad news.
Like you don't want to do that.
Um, instead, you want to, thisis for all the generators,
generator types who haveemotional authority.
Instead, you want to justlisten to that initial response
from your sacral because that isimportant.

(52:31):
It's informing you, it's givingyou like the initial yes, but
then you want to wait and see.
So, for example, let's say thatyou decide you're gonna take a
family trip to Costa Rica andyou, you know, you pick some
dates and you pick a place tostay, um, or you're looking at

(52:54):
places to stay, and you see onethat looks great and you're
super excited about it, and youget a sacral yes, which means
that you're drawn to it.
It means like you're leaninginto your computer, like, oh my
God, this place looks amazing.
It's so beautiful, it's goteverything we want, you know.
So um, so what you want to doin that moment is just bookmark

(53:15):
it and then wait some time andthen say, maybe the next day
somebody, you know, you asksomebody, hey, we're going to
Costa Rica, we're going to, youknow, Tamarindo.
Have you ever stayed there?
And they send you the placethat they stayed, and it happens
to be the place that you werelooking at, and you're like, oh,
okay, here's here's abreadcrumb.

(53:36):
Here's the universe, likegiving me the nod.
Okay, that is good news.
And then maybe you go to bookyour flights and the flights
line up perfectly.
It's going to get you on thefront doorstep just at the right
time for check-in.
That's another like greenlight.
So you're kind of looking forthose breadcrumbs to give you

(53:58):
more information with it withthe emotional authority versus
if you got all excited and thenyou know you told your friend
you were going to Tamarindo andthey said, Oh, this place we
stayed at was horrible.
It looked so beautiful online,you know, and they send it to
you and it's the same place, andyou're like, Whew, okay, dodged

(54:19):
a bullet there.
That's more information, youknow, coming in for you.
So you're just sort of waiting.
And the the purpose for waitingis for more information to come
in, to just let it like sit.
And you're also waiting to rideyour emotional wave.
And there are different,different waves, but essentially

(54:40):
you don't want to make adecision in the high or the low.
You know, you don't want tomake the call if you're feeling
really bummed out, and you don'twant to make the call if you're
feeling like super excited.
Um, versus a sacral, whichwould also be a generator type.
It's either going to be agenerator or a manifesting
generator.
They're about 30.

(55:00):
I can't remember the percentagefor um the sacral exactly, but
it's roughly 30%.
Um, and so when you only havethe sacral and you don't have an
emotional authority, um, thenyou can go in the moment.
You get that initial rush, thatinitial like knowing in the

(55:23):
moment, and you can make thecall there.

Lauren (55:26):
So in this Costa Rica, sorry, I'm yeah, sorry, I
interrupted you.
In this Costa Rica example, fora sacral authority, if they
hear the same story where thefriend is like, that place was
terrible, does the sacralauthority still go like, I don't
care, I'm excited about it?

(55:46):
Like I think our I think Jean,our daughter, is sacral and oh
god, she is just like bullettrain, like no matter what you
say.
She's like, I'm it's atelevision.

Frank (56:01):
She's like television.

Lauren (56:03):
I'm going to audition for America's Got Talent.
And we're like, let me tell yousomething about these
auditions.
And she's like, okay, I'm soexcited to audition for
America's Got Talent.
Like, listen, your video mightnever be watched, and you will
never, you might never get aresponse.
We don't want to deter you.
She was like, cool, can't waitto audition.

(56:26):
There's no stopping this kid,which I love.
But this is so okay, that tellsme a lot.

Lori (56:37):
Yes.
And I also want to kind of givea caveat here that your
authority, remember how I wassaying this is your sole
curriculum.
Um, you know, your authoritymight take you down a road that
unfolds differently than whatyou expected.
You know, maybe you end upbooking that place in Costa Rica

(56:59):
that looked amazing and yourfriends said it was horrible,
and you got there and, you know,you had a horrible experience,
but you came out of it with someamazing life lessons, you know,
or things that, you know, maybeyou met somebody there that um
changed your life in some way.
You know, it it's it's really,this is the challenging part of

(57:22):
like trusting your body and yourbody's response, and then being
able to look back and reflecton, hmm, okay, what what did I
get out of that?
Um, and your daughter, I mean,as a sacral manifesting
generator, she is gonna movefast.
Like manifesting generators arehere for efficiency, they're

(57:43):
here to, you know, takeshortcuts.
Oh, she's a generator.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Um still gonna like in themoment have have the opportunity
to like make the call and movequickly because she's got the
generator energy to move it.
Um, so and you know, I wouldsay sometimes the sacral can

(58:07):
change, you know, you could askher in like 10 days about
something that she gave you ayes to.
It's the sacral yes, somepeople say, you know, if it's
not a hell yes, then it's a no.
And I don't know.
I I feel like in my experienceand um and also my observations

(58:31):
of generator types, it itdoesn't necessarily always have
to be a hell yes.
Sometimes it's more like, do Ihave the energy for this?
You know, do I have the energyto like see it all the way
through?
Um that can be more, you know,informative for for sacral

(58:52):
authorities.
Yeah.
There are five otherauthorities.
I don't know if you want totalk about them that it take a
bit to get through them, but um,there is a degree of waiting on
you know, all of them to someextent.
Waiting for something anyway.

Frank (59:10):
Who's who who doesn't have to wait?
Who's the let's go?

Lori (59:14):
Um, the closest would be sacral and splenic.
Um and I guess probably egotoo.
Um, so sacral and splenic arevery much in the moment.
Um, the ego is a little morelike, I think it takes a little

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more reflection because it'sabout what you want.
It's about like your heart'sdesire versus splenic is more
about what's going to keep mesafe, what intuitively feels
right for me.
Sacral is that gut feeling.
Um, and then you have umself-projected, which is um when
you're talking it out accordingto like what feels right for

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you, what feels like who youtruly are.
We use it's calledsoundboarding, but basically,
like you're trying to, you werementioning it earlier, something
that you do, Lauren, when youjust talk it out as you're
processing it and saying it outloud.
Soundboarding is when the otherperson will reflect for you
what they heard you say, notwhat they think you should do,

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not an opinion, but like, hey, Iheard you say this, and I
heard, you know, it sounded yourvoice sounded really excited.
It sounded like your words spedup, or you, you know, maybe it
was the opposite, your voicedropped, and you sounded.
Really unsure of yourself whenyou were talking.

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Those kinds of things can bereally helpful.
And then there's mentalauthority, which is being in the
right environment and doing thesame thing using your voice.
And then reflectors have umwhat's called lunar authority.
And they have to wait thelongest.
It's literally like seeingpatterns, you know, over a

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moment.

Frank (01:01:03):
We talked about that a little bit on our last episodes.

Lori (01:01:06):
Yeah.

Frank (01:01:07):
That that one's a trip.

Lauren (01:01:08):
Waiting on the moon to the moon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, what and then there's alsono inner authority.
Like if someone are theyoutsourcing their decision
making?

Lori (01:01:20):
That one's more like the the environmental authority is
the same as no inner authority.
And basically, it's just aboutbeing in the right environment,
you know, to feel like you canconnect with what feels right to
you.
Um, I always tell people whohave this authority to talk

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things out in differentenvironments, you know, use your
voice to kind of see like, talkabout it in the shower.
My son actually has this, oneof my sons has this authority.
And he, when he was little, hestill does this.
He used to talk to himself allthe time.
And my husband would be like,what the hell?
Like, should we be worriedabout him?
And thank goodness I knewsomething about human design

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because I knew, like, no,actually, he's doing exactly
what he needs to do.
Um, and he'd have full-onconversations with himself while
he was out, like kicking thesoccer ball around or in the
shower.
And, you know, just those, allthose different places, and then
also talking to his friends andto us, then he can kind of come

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to a conclusion.
So, yeah, that's what that is.

Frank (01:02:28):
That's really fun.

Lauren (01:02:29):
I feel that I talk to myself all the time, especially
in the car.
That's how I work things out.
Oh, great place.
Yeah.

Frank (01:02:38):
Talk to us about the Uranus opposition a little bit.

Lori (01:02:42):
Hmm, yeah.
Um, that is the classic kind ofthe stereotypical midlife
crisis.
It's when in your astrologychart, when Uranus is opposing
your natal Uranus.
So um, it takes about 80-ishyears for Uranus to go all the

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way around these astrologicalsigns.
And so halfway would be aroundyour 40s.
And so this is that classictime when you're just rethinking
your priorities, your, youknow, what resonates with you.
Have I been living the lifethat I wanted to live?
Uh, and it's interesting when Italk to people who are in their

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40s, I don't think theynecessarily identify with the
word midlife yet.
It feels, you know, yeah, itfeels a little bit too like, no,
that's more your 50s, whichfeels feels like right and and
fair.
And hopefully for us, right?
We'll be living longer andlonger.

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Um, but that yeah, right.
That Uranus opposition can be atime that just stirs up some
big questions, you know, and anopportunity, I think, that
allows us to see, you know, askthose questions.
Like, are we really buildingthe life that we wanted to, or
are we just kind of checking theboxes that are expected of us?

Frank (01:04:15):
So now does that does that trigger something in human
design, or is that how does thisplay out?

Lori (01:04:23):
Um so astrology is one of the systems in human design, you
know, like with all of the gateplacements.
And there are transits, youknow, that happen.
Um, like the sun, I wasmentioning, goes transits each
gate.
Um, the moon will be in a in atransition.
So, but it's I would look atthe Uranus opposition as being

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more of an astrologicalhappening, you know, an
astrology placement.
But how I would use humandesign during that time is to
say, okay, let's look at yourchart and see how are these
things playing out in your life?
You know, are you, if you havean undefined root, for example,

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are you feeling like so stressedout all the time?
Are you feeling like you'rerunning yourself ragged all the
time?
Are you trying to keep up and,you know, do have a to-do list a
mile long and feel like you'llnever get it done and that you
have to, you have to check offall those things on the to-do
list before you can possiblyrelax?

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You know, are those some of thethings that maybe are happening
for you?
And if so, then this is aninvitation to to be like, okay,
how do I, how do I start to, youknow, separate from that
conditioning?
And how do I how do I start toturn that into wisdom instead
of, you know, running aroundlike a chicken with my head cut

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off all the time?

Frank (01:05:51):
There's I something else I actually want to check in with
you on about this, is thatokay, so like even according to
the stars, everyone has signedup for uh Uranus opposition.
Um but very few peopleacknowledge that they might be
going through a thing right now.

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And also like societally, likewe when we talk about a midlife
or a midlife crisis, or itdoesn't sound very good.
It's something to avoid.
But if it's something that'slike like mechanically built in,
like uh how can that presentand what the hell are we
supposed to do about it in orderto like address it in a healthy
way?

Lori (01:06:31):
Yeah, I mean, if you make it to the age of around 40,
between 40 and like 42, 43-ish,I mean, yeah.
If you make it to that age,then your Uranus is going to
oppose your natal uranus.
That's going to happen.
So, you know, what how do youmake it a good thing?

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I think awareness is alwayswhere I start with everything.
Uh, anytime you want to try tosolve a potential problem, you
have to first be aware thatsomething is happening.
So, understanding, like, okay,this, you know, the I can look.
Um, AstroSeq is the websitethat I use for astrology

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transits.
It's totally free.
You can go on and put in yourbirth information and you can
see, like, about when will myUranus opposition be happening?
And then you know, and you'relike, okay.
And then, you know, it's it'ssurrender really, because you
didn't come here to earth schoolto like for everything to be a

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cakewalk, right?
You came here to have the humanexperience.
So this is like a checkpointfor you.
This is, you know, this is yoursoul giving you a test, your
quiz time.
You know, it's like, okay,here, here you are.
It's time for uh for you tojust take stock of how you've
been living your life.

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And do you like it?
You know, do you like whoyou're becoming?
And if not, where do you wantto pivot?

Lauren (01:08:06):
That's so interesting because I feel like that's it's
either you lean into what doesthis mean?
Like, what is this transitionperiod for me?
Or you ignore that and you go,it's time to buy a convertible
or have an affair, or like, youknow, leave the country and like

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abandon everything.
Totally.
I feel like those are the youknow, classic like American
crisis, American ways to manageemotions.

Lori (01:08:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
100%.
And and I want, I guess I wantto have also some empathy for
those ways of expressing thatbecause sometimes it's not
always conscious, you know.
You you you may just feel likeuh restlessness, you know, like

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this deep, deep restlessness,and you don't really know what
it's about or why it's here.
And so you're just trying tofix it or change something.
And those outward ways ofchanging, you know, they do,
they do change something withinyou.
Those experiences that you havedefinitely change something

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within you, but it doesn'talways have to play out like
that either.
You know, you don't have to gointo debt and buy the
convertible or you know, wreckyour life with you know a second
family.
Yeah, exactly.

Frank (01:09:40):
Wait, so can I ask you this?
Is there like um is there awindow in which you're supposed
to address this stuff, or is itlike once this happens, now like
anytime you're ready?
Like, or is it like I need todo this at 42?

Lori (01:09:58):
I mean, I I would check your specific transits and see
when it will be happening foryou.
And then again, it's it justgoes back to that awareness, you
know, knowing.
And uh here's where I wouldcaution you because I don't want
anybody listening to this whohasn't hit this point in their

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life yet to be to feel likeyou're going in, you know, like
holding, you know, like, oh myGod, you know, holding on to the
the proverbial, you're headedup on the um on the roller
coaster and you're headed towardthe top, and you don't want to
reach the pitch and head backdown and be screaming your head

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off.
It's more like, okay, this isan opportunity.
It's just a place to look backand take an assessment of my
life.
And it's an invitation for youto do that.
And the I think the moreproactive you can be, the less
it's going to feel like such amajor, you know, challenge in

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your life.

Frank (01:11:07):
I think that's the thing that like is really important
that I'm I'm picking up on hereis that like we do always talk
about a midlife crisis and howdo I avoid this?
And it's like, no, it's gonnahappen and it doesn't have to be
a crisis.
Yeah, exactly.
You're gonna have thisexperience, you're gonna have
this thing that um put it thisway, you're you're 40 something

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now, and you'd have you've hadplenty of time to stray a little
bit from things that feel rightto you and like are in your in
your life path.
And now this is a greatopportunity to catch those
because they might bepredominant enough to identify
and correct.
Exactly.
All right.

Lori (01:11:48):
Yeah, that's beautifully said.
I I like to think of it as aportal.
You know, it's not a crisis,it's a portal.
Redefining it as such is somuch more empowering.

Frank (01:12:01):
But also I want to like it's better than my example of
saying that.
This is the TSA check for howthings are going.

Lauren (01:12:08):
But also like, I don't know, I I always think about
like someone who's beyond thatstage, who might be in their
like late 50s to like mid-60s,who maybe s now think like uh
it's all I my chance, like my ummy opportunity has passed or

(01:12:31):
whatever to you know, coursecorrect or set things set things
right.
But because we're kind of justspecifically talking about like
being in your 40s or whatever,but right like I'm sure you work
with women who are like, oh myGod, I don't know what to do
with myself.
I'm 65 and am I done?
Yeah, you know?

Lori (01:12:52):
Yeah, I actually it's interesting.
I have had a lot of womenlately coming to me who are in
their later 50s and early 60s.
And what I have noticed aboutthat particular group of women
is that it feels much more likea spiritual journey, you know,
like they're really looking toto deepen into that and bringing

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more meaning into their life.
You know, it's they've alreadychecked all the boxes, they've
already been through the, youknow, the transition.
They've already, they'realready as women into menopause.
And so at that point, so muchof the societal expectations of
the roles that they should playas women have kind of fallen

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away.
And this is the first time intheir lives where they really
get to redefine everything.

Lauren (01:13:48):
Oh wow.
I love that too.
Yeah, I think that's soempowering because yeah, we like
media in every way has justlike signed off on anyone like
60 plus.
And when you really think aboutit as like you're you're still
like pretty young.
Like when you think about, youknow, the fact that you could

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live till you're 90.

Frank (01:14:11):
I mean, we one of our Lauren and I started picking up
on it, but like, and I'm guiltyof it.
I used to say it all the time.
But uh this thing that we allgo around doing of we turn 35
and start saying how old we areis kind of devastating.

Lauren (01:14:26):
It's so bad.

Frank (01:14:27):
It's so not good for you.

Lauren (01:14:29):
Like I like refuse to say it.

Frank (01:14:31):
Yeah, and I don't say it anymore.

Lauren (01:14:32):
Yeah, like yeah, when someone turns, like, yeah, I
mean you can get less cool, youcan get less cool for sure.

Frank (01:14:38):
And I have gotten less cool.
But I'm getting old.
Come on, I'm not getting old.

Lauren (01:14:42):
Yeah, I'm gonna go like I'm too old for that, or like
we're old now.
No, it's like shut up, stoptelling yourself that.
You're just gonna, you know,you're gonna make your body
crumble faster.

Lori (01:14:56):
Yes, 100% you are, especially with defined throats.
You know, the the words, if youhave a defined throat, the
words that you speak are likemanifestations.
They are you are speaking yourreality into existence.
So really paying attention tothe words that you say is

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important.
And I mean, this goes forundefined throats as well, but I
think understanding that you reyou create your reality by your
thoughts and what you're whatyou're saying out loud to
yourself.
Absolutely.
And I mean, I just turned I'm51 and no, 52.

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See, you forget.
You're like, wait, did I lose ayear?
I'm 52 now.
And um, and yeah, it's uh Iused to think 50 was old, and
now I'm like, what?
I am just getting started,people.
Yeah.
So yeah.

Frank (01:15:56):
It's a big deal.
Uh so many people think they'redone.
There's they're done.
I hit 40, I'm done.
I hit 50, I'm done.
There's what what am I gonna donow?
Well, you can do everythingnow.

Lauren (01:16:04):
Why are we doing this to ourselves?
Yeah, stop doing that.

Frank (01:16:09):
Absolutely.
That's so fun.
So this is uh so human design,especially at the uh Uranus
Opposition, is like a spiritual,this is a spiritual physical.
It's a time for a checkup.
So go get a mammogram, go turnyour head left and cough.
But but on the spiritual sense,you know, it's uh I love it.
Then you're you're Dr.
Lori, you're getting in there.

Lori (01:16:30):
You're uh that is perfect.
Yeah.
Spiritual, physical.
I like it.
I like it.
TM, TM, trademark that.
Great.

Frank (01:16:40):
Yep.

Lauren (01:16:41):
That's cool.
Lori, tell everyone how they canwork with you.
Like where can they find you sothey are our midlife or or
otherwise can can work with you.

Lori (01:16:54):
Yeah.
So easiest way is to go to mywebsite, laurelisci.com, and all
of my offers are there.
I do have a podcast as wellcalled Midlife by Design.
Uh, it's like Midlife by HumanDesign.
Um and uh and I work withpeople in a coaching capacity.

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I also teach workshops locally,and I um I just love using this
tool to help people because itfeels like that giant permission
slip that they've been lookingfor, that they don't even
necessarily know, you know, thatthey were looking for it.
But it essentially gives themthe permission that they have

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been wanting so that they can bewho they came here to be.

Lauren (01:17:45):
What a fun conversation.
You explained it well, and itwas like, yeah, I I was finally
able to keep up with the thegates and channels better than
usual.

Frank (01:17:56):
Your your chill rubbed off on Lauren and it worked out
for the best.

Lauren (01:17:59):
Yes.
Excellent.
On your chill.
Excellent.

Frank (01:18:04):
All right, Lori.
Thank you so much for hangingout with us today.
And we'll we'll talk to yousoon, okay?

Lori (01:18:07):
All right, sounds good.
Thank you.

Frank (01:18:12):
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