March 25, 2025 • 28 mins
Women make up only 10-20% of the solar workforce despite being 50% of the population, highlighting a significant gender gap in the renewable energy industry. Today on the Clean Power Hour, Tim Montague sits down with Noelle Paige, Vice President of Development at Aspen Power, to explore the evolving landscape of women's leadership in solar energy. Recorded at RE+ Northeast in Boston, we explore Noelle's unique journey from ballet dancer to solar executive and her eight-year trajectory through the solar industry before landing at Aspen Power.
Noelle provides valuable insights into Aspen Power's work in community solar and multi-family projects, particularly in key markets including New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, and Maryland. The discussion takes a meaningful turn as they address the critical issue of gender representation in renewable energy, with women comprising only 10-20% of the solar workforce despite being 50% of the population. Noelle shares her involvement with WRISE (Women in Renewable Industries and Sustainable Energy), highlighting how the organization's Leadership Forum creates spaces for women to network, learn, and grow professionally without traditional barriers. Mark your calendar for the WRISE 20th Anniversary Gala on June 26th in New York City!
The conversation tackles the multifaceted nature of the gender pay gap, which Noelle describes as layered by variables including motherhood status, geography, and ethnicity. Listeners will gain practical insights on how men in leadership positions can support women in the industry through intentional inclusion and meaningful dialogue.
The episode also explores the challenges of community acceptance for solar projects and provides tactical advice for developers on authentic community engagement. Whether you're interested in diversity in renewables, community solar development, or the intersection of both, this episode offers valuable perspectives on building a more inclusive and successful clean energy future.
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Noelle Paige (00:01):
I used to have a saying of, you know, I didn't
want to talk about things Ididn't know about, and that was
out of wanting to not soundentitled or dumb, like I didn't
know what I was talking about.
But I've since switched thatstart talking about the things
you don't know about. And so Ithink men start talking to women
(00:21):
about what it means to be inrise, you know. Have these
conversations with women. Bringwomen into the room, you know.
And like, Well, how do you seethis, you know, and whatever the
issue may be, recruitment,retainage. Just have those
conversations. And like, Listen,
intro (00:39):
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Tim Montague (01:06):
today on the Clean Power Hour women in solar, my
guest today is Noelle page. Sheis the Vice President of
Development for Aspen power.
Welcome to the show, Noelle.
Thank you so much. I'm happy tobe here. I'm really psyched for
this conversation. Yeah, we'rehere in Boston, at Ra plus
northeast, just getting ready togo into the trade show and do a
bunch of interviews there on thetrade show floor. But Noelle,
(01:28):
tell our listeners a little bitabout yourself,
Noelle Paige (01:31):
sure. Well, you gave me a great introduction.
Thank you. Noel page, VicePresident project development at
Aspen power. I live in DC, workin New York. I love these shows.
I get to see all my friends andwalk the floor. I love it so
much. But, yeah, I've been insolar probably about eight years
now, a background in projectmanagement, urban planning,
(01:55):
public administration. Andbefore that, I was a ballerina,
Tim Montague (02:00):
good combo. Yeah, right. But how did you get into
solar specifically? Sure,
Noelle Paige (02:05):
I was a little random, so I was involved in
kind of sustainabilityinfrastructure through the
University of Illinois atChicago, working in project
management. I did my Master's inPublic Administration, and did a
lot with the chaddock Institutefor Sustainable Development. And
then I was a grad studentlooking at jobs on LinkedIn, and
(02:27):
I found Cypress Creekrenewables, and they were hiring
for zoning and communityoutreach people. And I thought
that was just a title that madea lot of sense for me. Applied,
got the job, moved to NorthCarolina, and here I am, eight
years later,
Tim Montague (02:41):
awesome. And so Cyprus is mostly utility scale,
or both utility and communityscale.
Noelle Paige (02:50):
Yeah. So when I started, they were doing a lot
of utility scale, and that wasprimarily the team that I was
on. I did move over to theirproject finance team, and so I
was exposed to a lot more of thecommunity solar that they were
doing, so I think now they havea lot more community solar. But
yeah, they've done a little bitof everything great.
Tim Montague (03:10):
And then how did you end up coming to Aspen
power?
Noelle Paige (03:15):
Yeah, I kind of hopped around a lot. I have a
rap sheet of solar developers onmy resume, but I love all of
them. I went to soul systemsright after Cyprus, and I met
Aaron Bartel, who's Aspen'sGeneral Counsel, but he was the
General Counsel at soul systems.
And, you know, the solarindustry, it's quite small, but
I had known the folks at Aspenfor a while, and we just kind of
(03:38):
stayed in contact, and theyreached out about kind of
restructuring their projectdevelopment team, and thought it
was a great move.
Tim Montague (03:49):
And Aspen is based in DC.
Noelle Paige (03:50):
They're in New York, okay, a lot of us are kind
of sprinkled everywhere, though.
Got it. The main office is inNew York,
Tim Montague (03:56):
New York City, yep. Okay, right on. So what is
Aspen up to Aspen's,
Noelle Paige (04:01):
up to a lot. We were primarily community solar
and a lot work a lot with COdevelopers in the industry. So
we kind of come in as the IPPslash finance year and then long
term owner operator. We alsohave a multi family real estate
arm that's a small section ofthe pipeline. But that was new
completely to me, I've neverdone anything residential, so
(04:22):
that was a learning curve forme. But
Tim Montague (04:24):
that multi family work is that also community
solar? Or what exactly is thebusiness model there? Yeah,
Noelle Paige (04:29):
so it's primarily in California, and I think it's
maybe title 24 it's California'skind of board of renewables or
sustainability effort to kind ofrequire new construction for
multi family units and buildingsto have some sort of renewable
or offset or something green,basically. So we work with the
(04:51):
general contractors or thedevelopers to provide that.
Tim Montague (04:56):
Got it all right.
So I. So anything else aboutAspen you'd like my listeners to
know before we move on to womenin solar, because I'm very eager
to geek out on women in solar.
Noelle Paige (05:08):
I love that Aspen's growing. Aspen is great.
It's a It's just such an awesometeam, and the growth has just
been unreal. It started as asuper small company, and I've
kind of been like, watchingthem, knowing, you know, general
counsel and a few others thatsort of started the business,
and then they acquired Safarienergy, so it's just been, like,
(05:29):
explosive the growth. So,
Tim Montague (05:31):
and can you speak to, like, the megawatts or
gigawatts that are in yourportfolio?
Noelle Paige (05:38):
Yeah, that's a good question. You know,
somebody's gonna get mad that Idon't know my OKRs, no
Tim Montague (05:45):
worries, no worries. All right, so when you
say community solar, just to puta pin in that, you know, I think
there's, you know, a handful ofstates where community solar is
really rocking and rolling, likeIllinois, Massachusetts, New
York Maine was, I don't know ifthat was a bit of a boom and a
bust maybe, but yeah, what arethere other places that are hot?
(06:09):
Yeah,
Noelle Paige (06:10):
you, I think you hit most, not Colorado just yet.
Maryland, Maryland, and I'mhearing, I'm hearing New Mexico.
It might be coming back around.
They had a pilot program, but itwas, it was pretty small, very
small. Yeah, yeah. And Minnesotafor a while there, too. Haven't
heard about them lately.
Tim Montague (06:28):
Yes, it's so interesting, right? How these
things ebb and flow. Minnesotawas an early adopter. They kind
of kicked butt in the Midwest,and then they busted, and now
Illinois has kind of surpassedthem. And you know, we're doing
10 gigs in the next 10 years.
Yeah, New York is doing a littlemore, I think, you know, volume
wise. But anyway, and so ironic,and I'm curious what you think
(06:52):
about this, that California, youknow, our earliest adopter,
really, here in the US. I mean,Hawaii's a little further along,
but Hawaii so small, doesn'thave a great community solar
market. Yeah, they theirlegislation is chronically
flawed. Is there a fix in theworks there? Do you know? Oh,
Noelle Paige (07:11):
gosh, I, I was really hopeful. Was that a year
or two ago? I think it was rightbefore maybe the 2023, SPI or
maybe infocast. I don't recall,but we were, we were so close,
you know, we're so close to thatcommunity solar bill, but it
just didn't happen. But, youknow, legislation always comes
back around, right? The IRA islike the build back better, but
a little bit different. So Ithink we'll get there one day.
Tim Montague (07:34):
All right, all right. So women in solar, as I
said in the pre show, women area vast minority in this
industry. It's a real problemfor a whole variety of reasons.
You know, obviously in thepopulation, you're 50% of the
population, and yet, in solar,you're between 10 and 20% maybe,
you know, and and so just giveus a broad strokes. What kinds
(08:00):
of things are you involved inwhen it comes to workforce
development and getting morewomen involved in the industry?
Noelle Paige (08:06):
Sure, yeah, rise is a great organization for
renewable energy. It's the womenin renewable industries. So it's
a good mix of solar and wind,hydro. We get a little bit of
everything in the renewableside. There's also the women's
energy network, which is reallyinteresting to me, because I'm
just solar. I've never doneanything else, I've never done
(08:26):
wind, I've done a little bit ofstorage, but I feel like I'm,
you know, I'm just like, I'mjust solar. I need to learn
more. But the women's energynetwork has a big conference
every year, and so you get tohear about oil and gas and
nuclear and kind of the newtechnologies on that side as
Tim Montague (08:41):
well. And how many people attend that
Noelle Paige (08:45):
last year, it was pretty big. I want to say maybe
the size of this eight to 10,0008000 maybe. Okay, yeah, wow,
yeah. And it's not just womenthat go to these It's hosted by
women, though, and we try tocounteract the mantels the all
male panels. So
Tim Montague (09:06):
the dreaded man, I love it. So I've heard about
rise, but you're the firstperson that's really engaged
that I've spoken with. So whatexactly is rise doing? Sure,
Noelle Paige (09:19):
a lot. So we do a forum every year, the leadership
forum, and it is no offense. Itis the best conference in this
industry. It is so much fun, andthe energy is just amazing. And
it's like everybody leaves theiregos at the door, you know, and
you just truly network, and youjust learn. And that's it's just
(09:40):
such a fantastic environment.
But I spoke there last year in2024 October, it was in DC, and
I did a workshop with arecruiter, Cameron Benton, from
soul search, and we spoke aboutjust gender pay gap and Labor
Workforce and women. Did a lotof research for that. And. Like,
put on my economist hat and,like, statistician hat, and
(10:01):
really dove into that, becauseto talk about that topic like,
you have to, you have to becorrect, right? Because people
have kind of an emotionalreaction to it, and so I just
wanted to stick to the facts.
Wanted to really shed light onsome of the issues and show data
for it.
Tim Montague (10:20):
Yeah, you there's a lot to unpack there. Let's
talk about pay gap. What areyour thoughts about that? Like,
I have my own thoughts, but isit just like an unwritten
agreement that humanity hascreated, or what's the deal
there?
Noelle Paige (10:38):
Yeah, that's a good question. There's a ton of
layers, and the way I like todescribe it is sort of in
layers, but not sequentially.
And so those layers arevariables, and that's the status
of motherhood, that's yourgeography, that's your
ethnicity, and so on and so on.
And so there's so many variablesto that, and some may weigh more
for some people in somecircumstances, you know, nothing
(11:00):
has like, it's not sequential,right? But I had an economics
teacher in undergrad refer tothe pay gap as the mothers gap,
which is just nauseating, right?
And, yeah, it's, it's affectingmothers more as they get older.
And so that's kind of the trendof where wages get further and
further apart.
Tim Montague (11:23):
Yeah, you know, it's curious. I also think about
how in society, we compensatecollege teachers or professors
more than we compensatekindergarten teachers, but
kindergarten teachers are moreinfluential when it comes to
developing young humans. Rightby the time you get to college,
you're already formed. That treeis growing in a certain
(11:44):
direction, right? And so in away, I feel like kindergarten
should be the highest paidprofession when it comes to
education, yeah. And yet it'sinverted. And and I, when I have
this conversation with people,they're like, they kind of make
up stories about why that is,but it really is just an
agreement. Yeah, there's notechnical reason why
(12:05):
kindergarten shouldn't I mean,everybody needs a doctor, right?
Doctoring is a high wage.
Everybody needs an attorney.
That's another high wage.
Everyone needs a kindergartenteacher, but that's a low wage,
yeah? Why? That's
Noelle Paige (12:18):
a great point, and that's a great conversation to
be having. We should definitelybe having that conversation. And
it's so it's bizarre, right? Andwe, I think kindergarten
teachers get sort of like thebabysitter title,
Tim Montague (12:30):
and it scares men away from that industry,
actually, right? Men go, Wait aminute, that's very low wage.
I'm not going there. And, and soyou see a big gender gap in that
industry, yeah, but whichcontributes we have the opposite
problem here in the solarindustry. In your time, you've
been in solar for you said,eight years, yeah. Have you seen
things changing?
Noelle Paige (12:52):
Yes, absolutely.
The women in leadership, I thinknow, in the last four or five
years, are just powerhouses, andI, I love to just look up and
then make those people my peersat some point. And I just walk
up to the Abby hoppers of theworld, right, President, CEO of
(13:12):
Sia, and it's like, it's like,you're this amazing powerhouse
woman, and like, I get to have aconversation with you, you know?
And it's amazing. But I thinkthat attitude and just kind of
that again, dropping your ego atthe door, and, like, having that
openness has really helped womennetwork and like, you know, just
have candid conversations aboutto work. You know,
Tim Montague (13:32):
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What? First, what can men andmale decision makers in solar
companies do differently toencourage more women to come
into the industry? Yeah,
Noelle Paige (14:37):
stuff like this.
Talking to women, I used to havea saying of you know, I didn't
want to talk about things Ididn't know about, and that was
out of wanting to not soundentitled or dumb, like I didn't
know what I was talking about.
But I've since switched thatstart talking about the. Things
(15:00):
You don't know about. And so Ithink men start talking to women
about what it means to be inrise, you know, have these
conversations with women. Bringwomen into the room, you know.
And like, Well, how do you seethis? You know, and whatever the
issue may be, recruitment,retainage. Just have those
conversations. And like, listen,
Tim Montague (15:20):
be real, but we also have to be more
intentional, I think, and that'sand that's the beauty of things
like rise, right? We need toorganize, and we need just to
have an awareness that there's aproblem. It's not an existential
threat, but it's a seriousproblem, and we can change it,
(15:40):
and we are changing it, maybetoo slowly. I don't know. How do
you feel? Are you frustrated? Or
Noelle Paige (15:47):
honestly, I don't.
Well, depends on what day it is,but I try to stay positive.
There are, again, just so manyamazing female leaders, and also
the work the younger workforce,the Gen Zs. You know, the women
are coming up and they'rewalking right up to you, you
know, and they're takingchances, and they're bold, and I
just love to see that.
Tim Montague (16:08):
Yeah, so for the women listening, what can women
do differently, and how do womenget involved in things like
rise, yeah, to find their grooveor find their people. Yeah, I'm
just curious what else womenshould be thinking about and
doing. Yeah,
Noelle Paige (16:27):
so I don't think women need to do anything
differently if you want to getinvolved in rise or when it's W,
R, i, s, e, there's localchapters. I'm in the DMV
chapter, I dabble with the NewYork chapter. I pretend like I'm
in that too, because I'm in NewYork so much. But those
organizations and the eventslike the Leadership Forum and
(16:47):
I'm actually hosting that sameworkshop I mentioned before that
I did at the Leadership Forum intwo weeks in New York, we got a
lot of great feedback. So we'redoing it again. We're taking it
on the road. Oh, cool. Butevents like that, you know, and
again, just being bold andwalking up to people, I find
people are just way morereceptive than you think they're
(17:08):
going to be right. Like, I usedto sit at Merchandise Mart in
grad school and just like, askto buy people coffee and ask,
like, what their job title was,you know, because I was a ballet
dancer, I had no idea. And doingthat at a conference, you know,
here at re plus, or at the riseLeadership Forum, or any other
situation or industry event.
Tim Montague (17:27):
Does that background as a dancer hinder
you in any way in the industry?
Do you think
Noelle Paige (17:32):
absolutely not.
No, I love it. So this is alsokind of one of my workshop
leadership and workforcedevelopment topics. Yeah, if I
were to say, my first job insolar community outreach,
teaching a very niche subject toa demographic that probably
doesn't know a lot about it. Iwas doing that for solar, right?
Well, when I was a balletdancer, I was doing the same
thing. I was doing lecturedemonstrations in rural
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communities, going out, doing abuild a ballet for students,
middle school students,elementary school students, even
some high schoolers. We wouldlay down Marley do our show,
build a ballet. Those kids hadprobably never heard of Swan
Lake before, right? You know? SoI was doing the same thing. So
getting out into the communityand teaching. I love teaching,
teaching a niche subject to ademographic or population that
(18:17):
doesn't know a lot about it. I'mdoing the same thing with solar?
Tim Montague (18:21):
Yeah, yeah. I want to talk about community
acceptance of solar, but, butfirst, you're also doing some
Workforce Development thingstalk about that work?
Noelle Paige (18:32):
Yeah, I am working with an organization called
repowering schools. I have awebinar today with them. It they
go into colleges anduniversities and just introduce
solar careers to students, whichis a huge effort, and I think
there needs to be more of it.
And I'm trying to kind of schemeaway that IPPs can be more
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involved in that kind of effort.
Because a couple of years ago, Iwent to the IREC, the Interstate
Renewable Energy Councilconference, and the data and
forecast on the jobs that we'regoing to need to keep up with
demand of energy transition orjust current goals, is insane,
(19:13):
and we don't have it. And so themore students we can connect
with, the better.
Tim Montague (19:21):
Yeah, and I think we should even go into high
school, yeah, yeah. I don'tthink a lot of young people know
how vibrant the solar, wind,battery storage, yeah,
industries are. There's alsoelectrification. I don't care
any pick your pick your sliceright? Of that pie. It's pure
growth for the next 30 years.
Yeah, literally, and there are afew industries, AI would be
(19:43):
another, maybe scary, morescary, I would say, than solar.
But solar so, you know, it'ssuch a feel good, right? We're
cleaning the air. We're creatinga safer, healthier future for
humanity. What's not to love?
Yeah. Yeah, I know technologyfor a better future. It's a
(20:04):
beautiful thing. We just needmore of it, right? And we need a
lot more people in the industry.
So thank you absolutely. Well,let's talk about how communities
in rural America are respondingto this wave. It is a wave,
right? And one of the thingsthat we forget sometimes as
solar professionals is that,because of the way the grid is
(20:24):
built, some communities are moreimpacted than others, right?
Where those substations arethere, you get a cluster of
activity of solar and wind,right? And so some communities
can start to feel like, oh mygoodness, another solar project
or another infrastructureproject. And that's another
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thing I've noticed in Illinois,is that there's pipelines.
There's a lot of pipelines, andso there's a certain fatigue
that communities start toexperience, and they're pushing
back. We call this nimbyism.
It's not a dirty word. I don'tthink it's just a phenomenon,
right, not in my backyard, andit is certainly a right for
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communities to say this. Butcommunities are often
misinformed about what are thebenefits? What is solar what
does it mean from a land useperspective, and what are the
goods, the economic goods, theenvironmental goods, they they
generally have a very poorunderstanding of what those
goods are. But from yourperspective, what is happening
(21:30):
in rural America around solarand communities?
Noelle Paige (21:34):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a toss up. Honestly, some
communities respond wonderfully,and they're very supportive.
They understand the tax benefit,the revenue you know that's
going to benefit theircommunities. They understand
that, you know, the farmerthat's leasing their land is
benefiting from this, and theyhave the right to choose what to
do with their land. Othercommunities, like you said, are
pushing back, and they do havethe right to do that. And it's
(21:58):
it's unfortunate that thosecommunities feel taken advantage
of by infrastructure projects.
But that's on us. That's onIPPS, that's on developers to be
connected to the community.
Don't just go in and throw yoursite plan to the building
inspector, the zoning officer,you know, start with the local
church. Talk to your landowner.
You know, what's the, what's anorganization here that we could
(22:19):
help with. You know? How do we,how do we make this like more
wholesome than just like, I wantto get my project done, right?
You know? And it's, it's not tobe rah rah about it, right? But
it's just, it's more authentic.
If you just, you have thoseconversations, and you just be
respectful of these communities.
Tim Montague (22:39):
It is a change.
And a lot of the projects aregoing into what is historically
farm ground, either, you know,we're either feeding livestock
on that ground, or we're growingcash crops like corn and beans.
And you know, I live inAmerica's bread basket, some of
the best farmland in America, inChampaign County. And you know,
we're going to convert somefraction, some small fraction.
(23:02):
That's another thing, I guess,that people don't realize is
it's only one or 2% of thelandscape that we need to
completely green the grid,right? It's not a huge amount of
real estate. We've already builtover 6% of the landscape with
roads and build buildings rightin the US, yeah,
Noelle Paige (23:21):
parking lots and parking lots.
Tim Montague (23:26):
Yeah, I heard a crazy statistic that in a city
like LA, I think 30% of thelandscape is parking oh my gosh,
yeah. So solar canopies. There'sthe future there, hopefully, for
sure, but so getting involved incommunities, I love that. What
(23:48):
else do you say to developers?
Because I think we need to riseall boats here. Some developers
are doing it right, like yousay, and getting involved Apex
kind of stands out in thisregard. In my opinion, the
ground game is very good. Theyset up websites for projects so
that people can put their nameon the project and get involved,
you know, remotely. But whatelse are, what are some other
(24:12):
best practices that developerscan utilize? Yeah,
Noelle Paige (24:18):
I think they'll good old fashioned community
organizing, host a communitymeeting, you know, mail, merge
your your your parcels and youraddresses, invite the neighbors
out. Say, Hey, I'm going to behere, you know, and just have a
candid conversation. It doesn'thave to be a super formal thing.
And I love the websites, though,that's that's great, because
that just gives, you know, 24/7access and, you know, contact
(24:40):
submission, right, if you have aquestion, and like, commonly,
you know, fun facts that aremistaken about solar and just
kind of have it all laid out inone place. So that's a great
idea. We have a couple ofprojects that we've had websites
for in the past, but, yeah, goodold community meeting. Just
really show face FaceTime isreally important. And now COVID.
Is behind us. We can do that.
And that was a huge challengeright in 2020, and 2021, all of
(25:03):
the planning board meetings werevirtual, and I think that
contributes a little bit to theway right now that we're seeing
a lot more nimbyism. It feelslike it's because people felt
like they got taken advantage ofand they got too separated from
what was going on in theircommunity.
Tim Montague (25:19):
Well, in our last minute together, Noelle, we're
here at re plus Boston, re plusnortheast, I just call
Noelle Paige (25:28):
I say the same thing. Little easier to say. I
think that's on my out of myoffice. Actually, I should
probably change that.
Tim Montague (25:33):
And you know, for me, one of the things I love is
the networking, meeting newfriends, connecting,
reconnecting with old friends.
I'm a geek for technology. Ilove seeing what's going on in
solar and batteries. But whatare you looking forward to
today?
Noelle Paige (25:50):
Today, gosh, there is an event with rise the rise.
Ladies here are gettingtogether. We're going to see
each other in two weeks at thatworkshop I mentioned. But we are
planning the 20th AnniversaryGala right now. I'm on the
planning committee for that.
We're gonna, we're gonna chatabout that and kind of make it
that is June 26 the New YorkCity. Okay,
Tim Montague (26:14):
yeah, so you heard it here, yeah, June in New York,
the rise Gala. Yeah. Anythingelse you'd like our listeners to
know before we say, sayonara,
Noelle Paige (26:23):
um, no, I think we covered a lot. Thank you. We did
this is great.
Tim Montague (26:27):
All right, awesome. Well, thank you. Noel,
page with Aspen power, VicePresident of Development for
Aspen power, check out all ofour content at
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storage. You.
I used to have a saying of, you know, I didn't
want to talk about things Ididn't know about, and that was
out of wanting to not soundentitled or dumb, like I didn't
know what I was talking about.
But I've since switched thatstart talking about the things
you don't know about. And so Ithink men start talking to women
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about what it means to be inrise, you know. Have these
conversations with women. Bringwomen into the room, you know.
And like, Well, how do you seethis, you know, and whatever the
issue may be, recruitment,retainage. Just have those
conversations. And like, Listen,
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Tim Montague (01:06):
today on the Clean Power Hour women in solar, my
guest today is Noelle page. Sheis the Vice President of
Development for Aspen power.
Welcome to the show, Noelle.
Thank you so much. I'm happy tobe here. I'm really psyched for
this conversation. Yeah, we'rehere in Boston, at Ra plus
northeast, just getting ready togo into the trade show and do a
bunch of interviews there on thetrade show floor. But Noelle,
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tell our listeners a little bitabout yourself,
Noelle Paige (01:31):
sure. Well, you gave me a great introduction.
Thank you. Noel page, VicePresident project development at
Aspen power. I live in DC, workin New York. I love these shows.
I get to see all my friends andwalk the floor. I love it so
much. But, yeah, I've been insolar probably about eight years
now, a background in projectmanagement, urban planning,
(01:55):
public administration. Andbefore that, I was a ballerina,
Tim Montague (02:00):
good combo. Yeah, right. But how did you get into
solar specifically? Sure,
Noelle Paige (02:05):
I was a little random, so I was involved in
kind of sustainabilityinfrastructure through the
University of Illinois atChicago, working in project
management. I did my Master's inPublic Administration, and did a
lot with the chaddock Institutefor Sustainable Development. And
then I was a grad studentlooking at jobs on LinkedIn, and
(02:27):
I found Cypress Creekrenewables, and they were hiring
for zoning and communityoutreach people. And I thought
that was just a title that madea lot of sense for me. Applied,
got the job, moved to NorthCarolina, and here I am, eight
years later,
Tim Montague (02:41):
awesome. And so Cyprus is mostly utility scale,
or both utility and communityscale.
Noelle Paige (02:50):
Yeah. So when I started, they were doing a lot
of utility scale, and that wasprimarily the team that I was
on. I did move over to theirproject finance team, and so I
was exposed to a lot more of thecommunity solar that they were
doing, so I think now they havea lot more community solar. But
yeah, they've done a little bitof everything great.
Tim Montague (03:10):
And then how did you end up coming to Aspen
power?
Noelle Paige (03:15):
Yeah, I kind of hopped around a lot. I have a
rap sheet of solar developers onmy resume, but I love all of
them. I went to soul systemsright after Cyprus, and I met
Aaron Bartel, who's Aspen'sGeneral Counsel, but he was the
General Counsel at soul systems.
And, you know, the solarindustry, it's quite small, but
I had known the folks at Aspenfor a while, and we just kind of
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stayed in contact, and theyreached out about kind of
restructuring their projectdevelopment team, and thought it
was a great move.
Tim Montague (03:49):
And Aspen is based in DC.
Noelle Paige (03:50):
They're in New York, okay, a lot of us are kind
of sprinkled everywhere, though.
Got it. The main office is inNew York,
Tim Montague (03:56):
New York City, yep. Okay, right on. So what is
Aspen up to Aspen's,
Noelle Paige (04:01):
up to a lot. We were primarily community solar
and a lot work a lot with COdevelopers in the industry. So
we kind of come in as the IPPslash finance year and then long
term owner operator. We alsohave a multi family real estate
arm that's a small section ofthe pipeline. But that was new
completely to me, I've neverdone anything residential, so
(04:22):
that was a learning curve forme. But
Tim Montague (04:24):
that multi family work is that also community
solar? Or what exactly is thebusiness model there? Yeah,
Noelle Paige (04:29):
so it's primarily in California, and I think it's
maybe title 24 it's California'skind of board of renewables or
sustainability effort to kind ofrequire new construction for
multi family units and buildingsto have some sort of renewable
or offset or something green,basically. So we work with the
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general contractors or thedevelopers to provide that.
Tim Montague (04:56):
Got it all right.
So I. So anything else aboutAspen you'd like my listeners to
know before we move on to womenin solar, because I'm very eager
to geek out on women in solar.
Noelle Paige (05:08):
I love that Aspen's growing. Aspen is great.
It's a It's just such an awesometeam, and the growth has just
been unreal. It started as asuper small company, and I've
kind of been like, watchingthem, knowing, you know, general
counsel and a few others thatsort of started the business,
and then they acquired Safarienergy, so it's just been, like,
(05:29):
explosive the growth. So,
Tim Montague (05:31):
and can you speak to, like, the megawatts or
gigawatts that are in yourportfolio?
Noelle Paige (05:38):
Yeah, that's a good question. You know,
somebody's gonna get mad that Idon't know my OKRs, no
Tim Montague (05:45):
worries, no worries. All right, so when you
say community solar, just to puta pin in that, you know, I think
there's, you know, a handful ofstates where community solar is
really rocking and rolling, likeIllinois, Massachusetts, New
York Maine was, I don't know ifthat was a bit of a boom and a
bust maybe, but yeah, what arethere other places that are hot?
(06:09):
Yeah,
Noelle Paige (06:10):
you, I think you hit most, not Colorado just yet.
Maryland, Maryland, and I'mhearing, I'm hearing New Mexico.
It might be coming back around.
They had a pilot program, but itwas, it was pretty small, very
small. Yeah, yeah. And Minnesotafor a while there, too. Haven't
heard about them lately.
Tim Montague (06:28):
Yes, it's so interesting, right? How these
things ebb and flow. Minnesotawas an early adopter. They kind
of kicked butt in the Midwest,and then they busted, and now
Illinois has kind of surpassedthem. And you know, we're doing
10 gigs in the next 10 years.
Yeah, New York is doing a littlemore, I think, you know, volume
wise. But anyway, and so ironic,and I'm curious what you think
(06:52):
about this, that California, youknow, our earliest adopter,
really, here in the US. I mean,Hawaii's a little further along,
but Hawaii so small, doesn'thave a great community solar
market. Yeah, they theirlegislation is chronically
flawed. Is there a fix in theworks there? Do you know? Oh,
Noelle Paige (07:11):
gosh, I, I was really hopeful. Was that a year
or two ago? I think it was rightbefore maybe the 2023, SPI or
maybe infocast. I don't recall,but we were, we were so close,
you know, we're so close to thatcommunity solar bill, but it
just didn't happen. But, youknow, legislation always comes
back around, right? The IRA islike the build back better, but
a little bit different. So Ithink we'll get there one day.
Tim Montague (07:34):
All right, all right. So women in solar, as I
said in the pre show, women area vast minority in this
industry. It's a real problemfor a whole variety of reasons.
You know, obviously in thepopulation, you're 50% of the
population, and yet, in solar,you're between 10 and 20% maybe,
you know, and and so just giveus a broad strokes. What kinds
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of things are you involved inwhen it comes to workforce
development and getting morewomen involved in the industry?
Noelle Paige (08:06):
Sure, yeah, rise is a great organization for
renewable energy. It's the womenin renewable industries. So it's
a good mix of solar and wind,hydro. We get a little bit of
everything in the renewableside. There's also the women's
energy network, which is reallyinteresting to me, because I'm
just solar. I've never doneanything else, I've never done
(08:26):
wind, I've done a little bit ofstorage, but I feel like I'm,
you know, I'm just like, I'mjust solar. I need to learn
more. But the women's energynetwork has a big conference
every year, and so you get tohear about oil and gas and
nuclear and kind of the newtechnologies on that side as
Tim Montague (08:41):
well. And how many people attend that
Noelle Paige (08:45):
last year, it was pretty big. I want to say maybe
the size of this eight to 10,0008000 maybe. Okay, yeah, wow,
yeah. And it's not just womenthat go to these It's hosted by
women, though, and we try tocounteract the mantels the all
male panels. So
Tim Montague (09:06):
the dreaded man, I love it. So I've heard about
rise, but you're the firstperson that's really engaged
that I've spoken with. So whatexactly is rise doing? Sure,
Noelle Paige (09:19):
a lot. So we do a forum every year, the leadership
forum, and it is no offense. Itis the best conference in this
industry. It is so much fun, andthe energy is just amazing. And
it's like everybody leaves theiregos at the door, you know, and
you just truly network, and youjust learn. And that's it's just
(09:40):
such a fantastic environment.
But I spoke there last year in2024 October, it was in DC, and
I did a workshop with arecruiter, Cameron Benton, from
soul search, and we spoke aboutjust gender pay gap and Labor
Workforce and women. Did a lotof research for that. And. Like,
put on my economist hat and,like, statistician hat, and
(10:01):
really dove into that, becauseto talk about that topic like,
you have to, you have to becorrect, right? Because people
have kind of an emotionalreaction to it, and so I just
wanted to stick to the facts.
Wanted to really shed light onsome of the issues and show data
for it.
Tim Montague (10:20):
Yeah, you there's a lot to unpack there. Let's
talk about pay gap. What areyour thoughts about that? Like,
I have my own thoughts, but isit just like an unwritten
agreement that humanity hascreated, or what's the deal
there?
Noelle Paige (10:38):
Yeah, that's a good question. There's a ton of
layers, and the way I like todescribe it is sort of in
layers, but not sequentially.
And so those layers arevariables, and that's the status
of motherhood, that's yourgeography, that's your
ethnicity, and so on and so on.
And so there's so many variablesto that, and some may weigh more
for some people in somecircumstances, you know, nothing
(11:00):
has like, it's not sequential,right? But I had an economics
teacher in undergrad refer tothe pay gap as the mothers gap,
which is just nauseating, right?
And, yeah, it's, it's affectingmothers more as they get older.
And so that's kind of the trendof where wages get further and
further apart.
Tim Montague (11:23):
Yeah, you know, it's curious. I also think about
how in society, we compensatecollege teachers or professors
more than we compensatekindergarten teachers, but
kindergarten teachers are moreinfluential when it comes to
developing young humans. Rightby the time you get to college,
you're already formed. That treeis growing in a certain
(11:44):
direction, right? And so in away, I feel like kindergarten
should be the highest paidprofession when it comes to
education, yeah. And yet it'sinverted. And and I, when I have
this conversation with people,they're like, they kind of make
up stories about why that is,but it really is just an
agreement. Yeah, there's notechnical reason why
(12:05):
kindergarten shouldn't I mean,everybody needs a doctor, right?
Doctoring is a high wage.
Everybody needs an attorney.
That's another high wage.
Everyone needs a kindergartenteacher, but that's a low wage,
yeah? Why? That's
Noelle Paige (12:18):
a great point, and that's a great conversation to
be having. We should definitelybe having that conversation. And
it's so it's bizarre, right? Andwe, I think kindergarten
teachers get sort of like thebabysitter title,
Tim Montague (12:30):
and it scares men away from that industry,
actually, right? Men go, Wait aminute, that's very low wage.
I'm not going there. And, and soyou see a big gender gap in that
industry, yeah, but whichcontributes we have the opposite
problem here in the solarindustry. In your time, you've
been in solar for you said,eight years, yeah. Have you seen
things changing?
Noelle Paige (12:52):
Yes, absolutely.
The women in leadership, I thinknow, in the last four or five
years, are just powerhouses, andI, I love to just look up and
then make those people my peersat some point. And I just walk
up to the Abby hoppers of theworld, right, President, CEO of
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Sia, and it's like, it's like,you're this amazing powerhouse
woman, and like, I get to have aconversation with you, you know?
And it's amazing. But I thinkthat attitude and just kind of
that again, dropping your ego atthe door, and, like, having that
openness has really helped womennetwork and like, you know, just
have candid conversations aboutto work. You know,
Tim Montague (13:32):
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call 855-584-7168, to find outmore. So I have two questions.
What? First, what can men andmale decision makers in solar
companies do differently toencourage more women to come
into the industry? Yeah,
Noelle Paige (14:37):
stuff like this.
Talking to women, I used to havea saying of you know, I didn't
want to talk about things Ididn't know about, and that was
out of wanting to not soundentitled or dumb, like I didn't
know what I was talking about.
But I've since switched thatstart talking about the. Things
(15:00):
You don't know about. And so Ithink men start talking to women
about what it means to be inrise, you know, have these
conversations with women. Bringwomen into the room, you know.
And like, Well, how do you seethis? You know, and whatever the
issue may be, recruitment,retainage. Just have those
conversations. And like, listen,
Tim Montague (15:20):
be real, but we also have to be more
intentional, I think, and that'sand that's the beauty of things
like rise, right? We need toorganize, and we need just to
have an awareness that there's aproblem. It's not an existential
threat, but it's a seriousproblem, and we can change it,
(15:40):
and we are changing it, maybetoo slowly. I don't know. How do
you feel? Are you frustrated? Or
Noelle Paige (15:47):
honestly, I don't.
Well, depends on what day it is,but I try to stay positive.
There are, again, just so manyamazing female leaders, and also
the work the younger workforce,the Gen Zs. You know, the women
are coming up and they'rewalking right up to you, you
know, and they're takingchances, and they're bold, and I
just love to see that.
Tim Montague (16:08):
Yeah, so for the women listening, what can women
do differently, and how do womenget involved in things like
rise, yeah, to find their grooveor find their people. Yeah, I'm
just curious what else womenshould be thinking about and
doing. Yeah,
Noelle Paige (16:27):
so I don't think women need to do anything
differently if you want to getinvolved in rise or when it's W,
R, i, s, e, there's localchapters. I'm in the DMV
chapter, I dabble with the NewYork chapter. I pretend like I'm
in that too, because I'm in NewYork so much. But those
organizations and the eventslike the Leadership Forum and
(16:47):
I'm actually hosting that sameworkshop I mentioned before that
I did at the Leadership Forum intwo weeks in New York, we got a
lot of great feedback. So we'redoing it again. We're taking it
on the road. Oh, cool. Butevents like that, you know, and
again, just being bold andwalking up to people, I find
people are just way morereceptive than you think they're
(17:08):
going to be right. Like, I usedto sit at Merchandise Mart in
grad school and just like, askto buy people coffee and ask,
like, what their job title was,you know, because I was a ballet
dancer, I had no idea. And doingthat at a conference, you know,
here at re plus, or at the riseLeadership Forum, or any other
situation or industry event.
Tim Montague (17:27):
Does that background as a dancer hinder
you in any way in the industry?
Do you think
Noelle Paige (17:32):
absolutely not.
No, I love it. So this is alsokind of one of my workshop
leadership and workforcedevelopment topics. Yeah, if I
were to say, my first job insolar community outreach,
teaching a very niche subject toa demographic that probably
doesn't know a lot about it. Iwas doing that for solar, right?
Well, when I was a balletdancer, I was doing the same
thing. I was doing lecturedemonstrations in rural
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communities, going out, doing abuild a ballet for students,
middle school students,elementary school students, even
some high schoolers. We wouldlay down Marley do our show,
build a ballet. Those kids hadprobably never heard of Swan
Lake before, right? You know? SoI was doing the same thing. So
getting out into the communityand teaching. I love teaching,
teaching a niche subject to ademographic or population that
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doesn't know a lot about it. I'mdoing the same thing with solar?
Tim Montague (18:21):
Yeah, yeah. I want to talk about community
acceptance of solar, but, butfirst, you're also doing some
Workforce Development thingstalk about that work?
Noelle Paige (18:32):
Yeah, I am working with an organization called
repowering schools. I have awebinar today with them. It they
go into colleges anduniversities and just introduce
solar careers to students, whichis a huge effort, and I think
there needs to be more of it.
And I'm trying to kind of schemeaway that IPPs can be more
(18:52):
involved in that kind of effort.
Because a couple of years ago, Iwent to the IREC, the Interstate
Renewable Energy Councilconference, and the data and
forecast on the jobs that we'regoing to need to keep up with
demand of energy transition orjust current goals, is insane,
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and we don't have it. And so themore students we can connect
with, the better.
Tim Montague (19:21):
Yeah, and I think we should even go into high
school, yeah, yeah. I don'tthink a lot of young people know
how vibrant the solar, wind,battery storage, yeah,
industries are. There's alsoelectrification. I don't care
any pick your pick your sliceright? Of that pie. It's pure
growth for the next 30 years.
Yeah, literally, and there are afew industries, AI would be
(19:43):
another, maybe scary, morescary, I would say, than solar.
But solar so, you know, it'ssuch a feel good, right? We're
cleaning the air. We're creatinga safer, healthier future for
humanity. What's not to love?
Yeah. Yeah, I know technologyfor a better future. It's a
(20:04):
beautiful thing. We just needmore of it, right? And we need a
lot more people in the industry.
So thank you absolutely. Well,let's talk about how communities
in rural America are respondingto this wave. It is a wave,
right? And one of the thingsthat we forget sometimes as
solar professionals is that,because of the way the grid is
(20:24):
built, some communities are moreimpacted than others, right?
Where those substations arethere, you get a cluster of
activity of solar and wind,right? And so some communities
can start to feel like, oh mygoodness, another solar project
or another infrastructureproject. And that's another
(20:45):
thing I've noticed in Illinois,is that there's pipelines.
There's a lot of pipelines, andso there's a certain fatigue
that communities start toexperience, and they're pushing
back. We call this nimbyism.
It's not a dirty word. I don'tthink it's just a phenomenon,
right, not in my backyard, andit is certainly a right for
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communities to say this. Butcommunities are often
misinformed about what are thebenefits? What is solar what
does it mean from a land useperspective, and what are the
goods, the economic goods, theenvironmental goods, they they
generally have a very poorunderstanding of what those
goods are. But from yourperspective, what is happening
(21:30):
in rural America around solarand communities?
Noelle Paige (21:34):
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a toss up. Honestly, some
communities respond wonderfully,and they're very supportive.
They understand the tax benefit,the revenue you know that's
going to benefit theircommunities. They understand
that, you know, the farmerthat's leasing their land is
benefiting from this, and theyhave the right to choose what to
do with their land. Othercommunities, like you said, are
pushing back, and they do havethe right to do that. And it's
(21:58):
it's unfortunate that thosecommunities feel taken advantage
of by infrastructure projects.
But that's on us. That's onIPPS, that's on developers to be
connected to the community.
Don't just go in and throw yoursite plan to the building
inspector, the zoning officer,you know, start with the local
church. Talk to your landowner.
You know, what's the, what's anorganization here that we could
(22:19):
help with. You know? How do we,how do we make this like more
wholesome than just like, I wantto get my project done, right?
You know? And it's, it's not tobe rah rah about it, right? But
it's just, it's more authentic.
If you just, you have thoseconversations, and you just be
respectful of these communities.
Tim Montague (22:39):
It is a change.
And a lot of the projects aregoing into what is historically
farm ground, either, you know,we're either feeding livestock
on that ground, or we're growingcash crops like corn and beans.
And you know, I live inAmerica's bread basket, some of
the best farmland in America, inChampaign County. And you know,
we're going to convert somefraction, some small fraction.
(23:02):
That's another thing, I guess,that people don't realize is
it's only one or 2% of thelandscape that we need to
completely green the grid,right? It's not a huge amount of
real estate. We've already builtover 6% of the landscape with
roads and build buildings rightin the US, yeah,
Noelle Paige (23:21):
parking lots and parking lots.
Tim Montague (23:26):
Yeah, I heard a crazy statistic that in a city
like LA, I think 30% of thelandscape is parking oh my gosh,
yeah. So solar canopies. There'sthe future there, hopefully, for
sure, but so getting involved incommunities, I love that. What
(23:48):
else do you say to developers?
Because I think we need to riseall boats here. Some developers
are doing it right, like yousay, and getting involved Apex
kind of stands out in thisregard. In my opinion, the
ground game is very good. Theyset up websites for projects so
that people can put their nameon the project and get involved,
you know, remotely. But whatelse are, what are some other
(24:12):
best practices that developerscan utilize? Yeah,
Noelle Paige (24:18):
I think they'll good old fashioned community
organizing, host a communitymeeting, you know, mail, merge
your your your parcels and youraddresses, invite the neighbors
out. Say, Hey, I'm going to behere, you know, and just have a
candid conversation. It doesn'thave to be a super formal thing.
And I love the websites, though,that's that's great, because
that just gives, you know, 24/7access and, you know, contact
(24:40):
submission, right, if you have aquestion, and like, commonly,
you know, fun facts that aremistaken about solar and just
kind of have it all laid out inone place. So that's a great
idea. We have a couple ofprojects that we've had websites
for in the past, but, yeah, goodold community meeting. Just
really show face FaceTime isreally important. And now COVID.
Is behind us. We can do that.
And that was a huge challengeright in 2020, and 2021, all of
(25:03):
the planning board meetings werevirtual, and I think that
contributes a little bit to theway right now that we're seeing
a lot more nimbyism. It feelslike it's because people felt
like they got taken advantage ofand they got too separated from
what was going on in theircommunity.
Tim Montague (25:19):
Well, in our last minute together, Noelle, we're
here at re plus Boston, re plusnortheast, I just call
Noelle Paige (25:28):
I say the same thing. Little easier to say. I
think that's on my out of myoffice. Actually, I should
probably change that.
Tim Montague (25:33):
And you know, for me, one of the things I love is
the networking, meeting newfriends, connecting,
reconnecting with old friends.
I'm a geek for technology. Ilove seeing what's going on in
solar and batteries. But whatare you looking forward to
today?
Noelle Paige (25:50):
Today, gosh, there is an event with rise the rise.
Ladies here are gettingtogether. We're going to see
each other in two weeks at thatworkshop I mentioned. But we are
planning the 20th AnniversaryGala right now. I'm on the
planning committee for that.
We're gonna, we're gonna chatabout that and kind of make it
that is June 26 the New YorkCity. Okay,
Tim Montague (26:14):
yeah, so you heard it here, yeah, June in New York,
the rise Gala. Yeah. Anythingelse you'd like our listeners to
know before we say, sayonara,
Noelle Paige (26:23):
um, no, I think we covered a lot. Thank you. We did
this is great.
Tim Montague (26:27):
All right, awesome. Well, thank you. Noel,
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