January 10, 2024 • 56 mins
Embark on an extraordinary journey with the talented Kaden Brown of Night Productions as we peel back the layers of his life's work in video production and event mastery. From the vibrant chaos of the fall wedding season to the demands of managing the company while his boss celebrated his own nuptials, Kaden's stories are a testament to the resilience and flexibility required in the fast-paced world of media. His candid revelations about growing up in Perigold, navigating a detour from college to various jobs, and his unwavering work ethic offer a raw glimpse into the determination that forges a successful career.
Peering into the heart of our profession, Kaden and I trade tales of our own personal metamorphoses—mine from high school class clown to a media professional shaped by competition and mentorship, and Kaden's evolution from Nathan's right-hand man to a video virtuoso and communication connoisseur. We traverse the evolution of creative expression, reflecting on the confines of traditional broadcasting and the liberation found in the boundless world of YouTube content creation. Our shared narratives underscore the power of perspective and the transformative opportunities birthed from embracing an unconventional career trajectory.
Finishing on a note of triumph and aspiration, we celebrate the accolades and goals that light the path in our videography voyage. Reliving the rush of meeting idols like Tim Tebow and discussing the unseen rigors of crafting content for national television stars, our conversation is a salute to the joys of self-belief and the relentless pursuit of improvement. Whether you're an aspiring creator, a seasoned professional, or simply a dreamer seeking inspiration, join us for a deep dive into the passion and persistence that drive the dream chasers in the world of video production.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of the Clever
Angle podcast.
Today's guest is Caden Brown.
He currently works for NightProductions and we are excited
to hear Caden's story and how hecame to be to doing the work
that he loves.
I hope you guys enjoy.
Yeah, so I've got Caden Brownhere with me on the podcast.
(00:20):
I am in the Night Productionsstudio.
I'm back after two years.
We talked to Nathan Knight, soI'll leave the link to his
episode and the show notes Caden, how you doing, man?
I'm doing great man.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm happy to be back in 2024getting to talk to you guys.
(00:41):
I know the audience can't seeit, but the studio looks good.
There's been a lot of changes,so I'm excited to get to talk to
you guys.
As I do with every episode, Itry to do a little bit of
research, and I was checking outyour socials and checking out
your YouTube, which is somethings I've got some questions
about.
So I stumbled upon the whatwe've been up to video that you
(01:06):
did.
So what have you been up to?
What have you been up to herein the last just few months?
And then we'll talk about the2023 recap after that.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Man, the last few months have just we talk about
it a lot up here it has been awhirlwind, man.
You know how busy those fallweddings get and everything like
that.
And then Nathan had the greatidea to get married right in the
middle of wedding season, whichlove him for that.
It was a cool little moment totake a break and then go shoot
some more weddings that weekendand everything like that which
(01:36):
he participated in as well, andyeah, that just that kind of
sums up the fall wedding season.
It's like this guy got marriedon a Friday and then had to
shoot a wedding on Sunday, andso that proceeds to go
throughout the months, and thenwe in the process of it all are
trying to keep up with puttingthe brand out there and
everything like that, and thenalso juggling getting ready for
(01:59):
the new year and everything, andyeah, that's really what it is.
It feels like just a constantjuggling act.
You're always just trying tokeep the next foot front of you
and don't lose it, don't miss astep.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Absolutely.
Caden, can you give us justlike a little bit of an elevator
pitch about who you are, whatyou do for a living, so that the
audience can get familiar withyou?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, absolutely man.
So my name is Caden Brown.
I am recently 24 years old andI have worked at night
productions for, in June, whatwill be three years, which
coming out of my mouth, isabsolutely insane to say.
I primarily do video work herefor Nathan, the owner of night
productions, and I do a littlebit of photography there
(02:41):
whenever I need to and alongwith those responsibilities I
handle like client booking andclient communication and stuff
like that.
And essentially whenever peopleask what I do at night
productions, I just tell themI'm Nathan's right hand man.
Nathan says to jump and I askhim how high.
That's what I do.
I grew up in Perigold for amajority of my life.
(03:02):
There was like a year or twowhere I moved to the top of
Mississippi for a little bitbecause of my mother's work.
It was in like this olivebranch South Haven area, but
other than that, primarily grewup in Perigold.
I graduated from Tech, like Isaid, and it just it's one of my
(03:22):
favorite parts about what I dowith night productions is, with
Perigold being the size that itis, feel like everything is so
just knitted together, like thecommunity feels so tight and
close and everything like that,and that's one of the best parts
about what we do at nightproductions.
We're located downtown so we'realways helping out with all the
events that Perigold's doingand it just feels we're just
(03:44):
constantly running into theother people in the area and we
all love the city the same way.
And yeah, that's a quicksynopsis of what I do.
I just I help out aroundPerigold and do whatever Nathan
night tells me to do.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Okay, so you said you're recently 24.
You've been working for nightproductions for three years.
What did you do before then?
And did you know that when youlinked up with Nathan, that this
is what you wanted to do?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Man before I started working at night productions.
To be completely honest, man, Ihad a lot of hardship coming
out of high school and, due to abunch of other issues, I'm a
college dropout and I alwayswanted to do what I'm doing
(04:33):
nowadays.
But due to being a collegedropout and everything like that
, from age 18, I really didn'tknow how realistic that was
because of the college stuff andI worked in a.
I worked at Best Buy for alittle while.
Then, when Best Buy got hit bya tornado, I had to.
I had to figure something out.
(04:54):
That's my character has alwaysbeen like.
Just from a very young age, Ihad a lot of hardships dealt to
me, but I always told myself I'dnever use it as a crutch.
My mentality was always likeI'm going to work my butt off
and I'm going to give iteverything I have and then, as
(05:15):
long as I do it that way,mentally I told myself I was
like it's going to have to workout.
Whenever Best Buy gets blownaway, I have to go and I start
running inventory numbers in afactory.
Man, I'm working.
I never thought I'd see myselfin that position, especially
whenever this is funny enough Iwanted to play with the camera
for a living.
(05:35):
I'm like getting up at threeo'clock in the morning and as a
20 year old kid you're like thissucks, but I'm driving to
Truman and Jonesboro and PiggettRector.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
What factory did you work for?
I worked at Hillcrest Tool andDie.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I was constantly just running the different
manufacturing places and I'dhave to go to the stock
warehouses and everything likethat in Truman and Pickparts and
it was just constant runningman.
The entire time I kept up withmy own.
I'd like video and do picturesand stuff on the side with my
(06:11):
friends and it wasn't anoccupation, but I just wanted to
keep doing that.
I didn't want to lose sight ofwhat I still wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So when you went to college.
Was that what you were tryingto pursue?
Is that?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
What did you do to create media?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So I just wanted to stop where you said I'm a
college dropout.
I honestly I have a completelydifferent stance on college than
I did probably 10 years ago.
I completed college and Ihonestly wish that I wouldn't
have.
I think that there is a certainplace for certain things that
need a college degree, which iswhy I started this podcast.
(06:47):
I got to the end of my collegedegree and it was one of those
things that this is theculmination of your entire life.
You go to high school and theneveryone in high school tells
you that you need to go tocollege.
And then you go to college.
I did my internship, I got outthere into the real world and
nothing changed for me.
There wasn't this job that wasgoing to be making six figures
(07:09):
right when I got out and it justwas like a awakening for me
mentally towards like oh man,okay, every college degree is
not going to lead to a job.
I have a degree in healthpromotion and I reached out to
my advisor, the guy that wasover the health promotion
department.
I said, hey, I just graduated.
(07:31):
What can I do for a job?
I really want to stay in thearea and he flat out told me
that I was going to have toeither go get my master's or I
was going to have to move out ofstate.
That was when I realized that,okay, there's a gap here between
the information that you learnout of high school and when you
get out of college.
That needs to be addressed.
That was my spark for wantingto sit down with different
(07:52):
people on the podcast.
Was we need to get moreinformation out there about
what's available?
What can I do with them withouta degree?
Don't think of you notfinishing colleges like some
kind of failure or anything,because I think that, honestly,
you made the right decision.
If that's what you wanted to do, you're doing it now without a
college degree, and it wasinteresting to hear your path to
(08:15):
get to night production versusNathan.
That's cool, because I've comefrom a six years of working in a
warehouse slash factoryenvironment, so it does suck.
It's one of those things thatI'm glad that there are people
that are willing to do that work, because it's definitely needed
, but it's not for everybody.
(08:36):
So I want to backtrack to whendid you find your groove and
figure out that you wanted to dosomething with a camera?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, man, I mean, that was from an early age I
remember being Before I was evena teenager.
I wanted to make videos with Ihave two younger brothers and
constantly wanted to just makevideos with them, Us being
stupid, us, you know, acting outstuff that we'd seen on TV
(09:04):
shows and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
What were you using?
What cameras are in stuff wereyou using back then?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I think at the time this was like it was like a JVC,
like camcorder.
This was just like an old thingthat my dad had in his office.
Then I'm looking back I'mprobably sure that I probably
wasn't supposed to be playingwith it, but me and my brothers
loved it.
It was just like we would justvideo each other saying
different things or them singingsongs or something like that.
We would just watch that stuffover and over again.
(09:31):
It was like I don't know, itwas just fun, just maybe just
seeing ourselves do that oncamera.
That transformed into ninthgrade I go into tech TV, which
is like a broadcast injournalism class at Green County
Tech and Ms Andrews is theteacher there Pam Andrews and
(09:56):
tech TV is like known as one ofthe programs around here.
I think tech and nettleton havelike some of the best like TV
programs at the schools in thearea and I learn everything
there is to know about like TVand radio and stuff like that.
And then we're constantlycompeting for the next few years
and I really was passionateabout that stuff but like I was
(10:21):
a little bit, I was a classclown.
So I didn't take it superserious and me and Ms Andrews
which, funny enough, I'm veryclose with her now and I still
commentate for her for tech TVto this day but in class in high
school we did not get along.
She would constantly have to geton to me and she was like
(10:41):
you're not taking this seriousenough.
And now, having thatconversation with her nowadays,
she was like she would tell me,like you were talented and she's
, and I could see that you, like, wanted to pursue this and
she's like you had the abilityto pursue this she's, but you
didn't take it serious enoughand she was like she's like to
(11:03):
me, I didn't want you to throwaway something that you would
potentially really enjoy in thislife.
And I think about her a lot andshe's one of those people that
kind of guided me, because Ilacked a lot of guidance growing
up.
My my mom's a travel nurse andme and my father didn't have the
best relationship, a little bitof a troubled kid growing up.
I wasn't doing anything stupidor anything like that, but I
(11:23):
just didn't really care about itin school and so for her
constantly getting on me andconstantly pushing me in the
right direction in this I didvery well in tech TV and when we
go to the competitions I wouldplace well and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And because of that so what did it like a
competition look like?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You would go to these like we had some competitions
in like Missouri and stuff likethat.
And then we'd go to hot springsand we would a lot of times,
depending on what category youentered your team into, there
was a broadcast class.
Four of us would go to thisroom and you'd be given a script
and then two people have to beanchored.
One of them runs the camera andthen someone's running the
(12:06):
producer role.
They're like camera one, standby camera one, you're up.
You know what I mean.
You would do that.
And then that gets shown tojudges and then they compare it
to other schools that are theredoing the same script, doing the
same production.
Who did it better?
You know what I mean?
And then there was like otherthings where you're given a
prompt and you have to record ashort film with the prompt
(12:28):
you're given and stuff like that.
There's photographycompetitions and stuff like that
.
It was just anything you couldthink of when it comes to like
media.
There was communications day atASU.
We would go and we'd spend theentire day at Arkansas State and
they had radio announcing thatgive you a script that Trace
(12:48):
Stafford said earlier in theweek and you'd just read it off
and you had to read the weatherforecast and everything like
that.
And then, like I said, they'rejust comparing it to the other
students from the other schoolswho did the same thing and then
you get ranked on that and youget first, second, third,
honorable mention, stuff likethat.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So did you always want to do video, or was there
other areas of media that kindof drew you during that time
period?
Did you ever want to be like abroadcaster or anything like
that?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So I'm a big sports guy and so, like I had a lot of
interest in the sports castingarea Like I said, I still
commentate basketball, football,soccer to this day for Green
County Tech Like I was reallypassionate about that.
But there's a certain cap oncreativity when it comes to that
(13:36):
.
You know what I mean.
I'm just describing the game toa listener or a viewer.
You know what I mean.
And Tech TV was more broadcastoriented and me and Nathan have
had conversations about this too.
There was probably a day and apoint in my life where I was
like I could see myself endingup at KIT.
(13:57):
You know what I'm saying andI'm thankful every single day
that I didn't, because notbecause I don't see that job as
fun, but it's like to me there'sa certain level.
Like I said, there's a cap onthe creativity you can have in
that role.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, you almost have to be like in a box.
You have to be in a box andthey want everything that KIT is
going to put out is going tohave to be within that box.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And, like I said, man , I'm telling you if I would
have completed college, there'sno guarantee that's not where I
would have tried to take mycareer.
You know what I mean.
So perspective is a big thing.
I base my life around Like Itry to have a positive
perspective on everything.
So I look back on being acollege dropout at that time was
(14:43):
like the worst thing that'sever happened to me, is now my
biggest blessing, because nowI'm able to do whatever I want
with Nathan, allows me theopportunity to, like you said, I
make a YouTube video every week, dude.
You know like I can do whateverI want with that.
I get to go and shoot theseweddings all year and, you know,
(15:06):
give these people back theirwedding day, something that
they're going to rewatch overand over again and, you know, at
the end of that day I've made,I've become friends with that
couple.
You know what I mean and I justthere's nothing surprises me
with this job.
Like I swear constantly I tellNathan I'm like you literally
(15:27):
never know what to expect whenit comes to this.
Like we filmed with Tim Tebowlast year and then we helped
Mary Beth out with her AmericanIdol stuff, and it's like I
wouldn't have done that inbroadcasting.
You know what I mean.
It's been very like pigeonholed.
It's get the story, go get someshots, do a voiceover, turn it
(15:48):
in.
You know what I mean and Idon't want to say that's all you
do there, but I'm saying likethat's very, like that's the
buttoned up version of it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, absolutely and when.
So you said that one of the lowpoints at the time was being a
college dropout.
When did you start trying tokind of approach it from that
gratitude perspective, like whendid you start to think, okay,
it's going to be okay, ithappened for a reason?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Man I had, like I said, I just had this mentality
that I was like you can eithertake that and you can be like
this is what I'm going to do forthe rest of my life, or you can
take it and I'm like, okay, I'mgoing to work my tail end off
and, regardless of my situation,I'm going to try to reach a
(16:37):
goal.
You know what I'm saying andthat doesn't happen by yourself.
I, dude, I can tell you I'mvery good at being lucky, like I
have really good people in mylife.
There was a point in my lifeafter being a college dropout
Again, like I said, the familysituation was very rough.
I end up being homeless at onepoint and because of the people
(16:58):
I surrounded myself with, I gettaken in, honestly, right around
when COVID starts and,thankfully and that family it
was actually one of my bestfriends, alexander Lathun, his
family takes me in and they putthat mentality into me.
They're like you've had a lotof mishaps up to this point in
(17:18):
your life.
How will you use that to goforward?
How will you progress?
And I took that and I was likeyou're right.
Like I said, that may have beenthe worst thing that's ever
happened to me up to this pointin my life.
But how can I make it the bestthing that's ever happened to me
, which then I start workingtowards this?
I work that job, like I said,the manufacturing and stuff like
(17:40):
that and I was like I'm goingto save half of every paycheck
until I can afford to buy acamera.
And that's what I did.
I spent more money than I'veever spent on anything in my
entire life up to that point.
I'm like a mirrorless camera.
So then once you do that, youspend all that money, you're
like okay, you got to use it now, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And you got to get the lens and with my brother
being in photography, I knowsometimes the lenses are more
expensive than the camera.
That's, you put all the chipson yourself and forced yourself
into action, which was cool.
So when does your storyintersect with Nathan's?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So that is again, like I said, one of the things I
look back on and I'm justreally good at being lucky and
me and my friend that I justtalked about, alexander LaFoon,
we go on road trips with ourother best friend, trevor Thomas
, and we video everything.
We make like a little cinematicpiece after we get done with
(18:34):
that trip and photos and stufflike that.
And we've been to a lot of coolplaces, but the coolest place
we've ever been, in my opinion,is we went to the Pacific Coast,
the Pacific Northwest.
We went up to Oregon, took someof the most beautiful pictures
and videos I've ever seen in myentire life and throughout time
me and Nathan have intersected afew times.
I was just stoked.
(18:57):
I thought it was so cool whatNathan was doing, because
Nathan's my age, we had mutualfriends and stuff like that, and
when you see a guy like yourage going out and doing it like
what you want to do, that guy'sthe coolest person you've ever
met.
You're like dude, that guy'sreally doing it.
So I just had a ton of mutualrespect or I had a ton of mutual
(19:18):
friends that would talk to meabout Nathan and I saw what
Nathan was doing.
So I had a ton of respect forNathan and we'd always like we
were social media friends.
We'd always comment on eachother's posts and stuff like
that, share it on our stories,but we had never actually hung
out, which was like the funniestthing.
And I take his not-productionshirt that I bought to Oregon
(19:41):
and I have my buddy take apicture of me in front of the
coast of Oregon with thenot-production shirt on and I
post that and I'm shouting outnot-production and everything.
And I think how long ago wasthat?
That was May of 2021.
I've seen that picture.
Yeah, dude, and it's like atthat time, like I said, me and
(20:02):
Nathan had never even hung out.
So, honestly, I was like somemay look at that and be like
this dude's kissing butt.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, you're shooting your shot man.
You're like, hey, I'm trying toget out of here, show us some
dedication, yeah, but obviouslyworks because he texts me after
I post that and he's longmessage.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He's because I, as a small business owner, I'm sure
that meant a lot to him, becauseSome dude bought a shirt from
him and then took it across thecountry and during all these
cool pictures he's posting, hehas the.
He wants to post that.
That was the cover picture.
That was the first picture onthe slide that I posted and I
Tag not productions in it and Ishout them out and everything
(20:39):
like that.
And so he's a look, man, whenyou come back home, let's hang
out, let's go do something.
We end up at the same like partywith one of our mutual friends
and we're talking and everythinglike that.
And he's hey, this, if you wantthe exact details, he's the
movie that was out with the time.
What was it, nathan?
It was a Quiet place to a quietplace to was out.
Nathan was like man, let's gowatch that movie and I haven't
(21:01):
seen quiet place one.
And he's, okay, we need first.
We need to watch the firstquiet place before we go watch
the second one.
So we go to Alexander's house.
Like I said, huge guy in mylife, he picked me up off the
streets, got me back on my feet.
We're in his basement.
We watch quiet place to orquiet place one with Trevor.
He's there and man, that movieended at 10 o'clock in his
(21:21):
basement.
We were in Alexander's basementuntil three in the morning just
talking about life, talkingabout goals and stuff like that,
and Nathan mentions Granted, atthis time I'm still working
that manufacturing job, gettingup at three o'clock every
morning and Nathan mentions tome he's man, if you ever wanted
to maybe come help with a shootwith the team or help out, just
(21:43):
let me know.
I would love for you to comehelp out and I like this is so.
This is such a crucial part forme.
Like I looked at Nathan and Iwas like, if you tell me you'll
give me a spot on the team, I'llgo put my two weeks in tomorrow
at work.
Like I will quit my job andcome work for you full-time.
And Nathan laughed at me, justto him.
(22:04):
He was like there's no way,this kid's serious.
Yeah, he's gonna go quit his jobthat's providing for him right
now and just dive in.
That's what I told him.
I was like man, I'll jump intothe deep end with concrete shoes
and I'll find a way to swim.
Just give me a chance.
If you're willing to take achance on me, I'll make sure you
get that bet back tenfold.
And here we are, three yearslater.
(22:26):
I feel like it's worked outdecent.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
No, absolutely.
It's funny because when you andI met was probably around like
when you had just started.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I remember that early on, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, you get a spot on the team, and then what
happens after that?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm just like Every moment of free time I have, I'm
spinning it up here at thestudio.
Like I said, primarily video iswhat I came on for and I just
kept asking for more, for morefrom Nathan.
I was like, let's do this.
I'll go on that shoot with you.
The photography shoot that youdon't even need my help on, I'll
go with you.
I want to learn the ins andouts, like it was something I
(23:01):
was truly passionate about andit's there was nowhere else.
I'd rather be then like Doingwhat I'd finally always wanted
to do.
It was a dream come true for me.
When Nathan has said this before, like when we've talked about
this, nathan had never hadsomeone Come on brand new and
(23:22):
just consistently want more.
I want to learn more.
I want to learn this part ofthe business.
I want to learn this part ofthe business.
And six months after I joinedthe team, I I had taken over the
work phone.
I was like, yeah, I'll handlethat.
I come to him.
A few weeks later and I'm like,yeah, I'll make a YouTube video
every week.
And it was just like For me Ilook at it like I Couldn't get
(23:46):
enough of it.
You know what I'm saying it wasjust like I said.
I was finally doing what I'dalways wanted to do, and for me
and I tell Nathan thisconsistently too it's.
There's not much he could askme to do that I wouldn't be
willing to do for him because ofwhat he's done for me.
You know what I'm saying?
There's yeah, I owe a lot toNathan.
Nathan's given me theopportunity of a lifetime and
(24:09):
that's why, still to this day,we butt heads all the time.
We fought like brothers.
You would think that we wereLiterally brothers, because we
go back and forth all the timeand we don't always see eye to
eye.
But there's not anything Iwouldn't do for the guy because
of what he's done for me.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So take me through your last day at the factory.
How did that feel when youwalked up?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
for me, like even when I was there, like I said,
my mentality was always like itdoesn't matter what I'm doing,
I'm gonna give it 110%.
Very, I was very respectfulwith them because, even though
it wasn't what I wanted to do,like you said earlier, I'm so
glad there's people who arewilling to do it.
You know what I mean.
It just wasn't for me.
(24:51):
But when I went to my my Bossat the time, whenever Nathan
gave me the opportunity, gave mytwo weeks, they were.
They asked.
They're always interested whatare you?
What's going on where you headto?
Yeah, it's like you and it's I'mgonna go start media, I'm gonna
get in, I'm gonna be on a mediaproduction team here in town
and they know me.
I'm a very personable guy.
(25:11):
I've never met a stranger, I'malways friends with everybody.
So they knew what I wanted todo because they knew I went on
road trips and stuff like that.
They're like oh, that's reallyawesome that they're like that's
what you wanted to dooriginally, right?
And I was like, yeah, this isfor me at the time an
opportunity of a lifetime.
And so they were happy for meand, like I said, I put them on
two weeks.
I wasn't just gonna dip out onthem, I was gonna be respectful
about it.
And they were Veryaccommodating, they were very
(25:35):
awesome about it.
They were like I did Maybethree days of that two week
notice.
And then they were like if youwant to start going full-time to
that opportunity you have,we're fine with that.
We have you covered that.
The way they handled it to memeant the world, because I Was
glad it wasn't a bad ending.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, absolutely, and coming from somebody that has
managed people, it always sucksto lose a really good employee,
but at the same time and youwant that employee to be able to
do what they want to do,because when they were there
working for you they gave ittheir all, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And to me, like Just them being understanding and
like wanting the best for me,that meant a lot to me.
And To answer your questionlike that, when I walked out,
like Because it was a morningand I remember, I walked out and
got in the car and I was goingstraight to the studio, and I'm
telling you, man, like I'm surethere was probably tears shed,
(26:33):
you know, like just happiness,like for me it never felt
realistic, it never feltpossible, because I did it for,
let's see, I dropped out ofcollege in 2018 and I started
not productions in 2021.
That's a long three years.
I, you, somewhere in there, you, you imagine you probably want
(26:55):
to start losing hope and and somaybe somewhere in there I did,
but just like, whenever itfinally came, it came through
and then just, I Don't know thatthat first day after was
probably insane.
It was probably super surrealto wake up and be like I'm going
straight to the studio, I havenowhere else to be but the
studio.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, no, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's so interesting that you said that that was a
long three years, and I thinkabout this a lot how Time and
the way that we perceive itchanges as we get older.
So like when you're five yearsold, an hour seems like an
eternity because you're onlyfive, or a year seems like an
eternity because at that time ayear is like 20% of your life.
So when you're 18, 19, threeyears is a big chunk of your
(27:40):
life.
I can definitely tell you thatas you get older, you start to
See time differently and thingslike that.
So when you came on to the, howmany other people were on the
team?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
At that time, alex and Anastasia were on the team.
I was coming in, nathan andAlex interviewed me and
everything like that coming intowhich I knew Anastasia from
school, anastasia went to techwith me and they what did the
interview look like?
The interview looked like thesetwo couches, the one you're
sitting on.
They were over here and I saton one couch by myself and
(28:15):
Nathan and Alex absolutelygrilled me for about 45 minutes,
really Grilled Nathan's overthere pleading his case on the
side.
But I Was put on the spot forquite a few things.
They're like, let's say, wewanted to film a commercial, so
I had to come up with ideas onthe spot and everything like
that.
But I think I did well.
(28:36):
I got the job.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, because at this point, when you're doing the
interview, had you had alreadyput in your two weeks at this
point I had to do the interview,which because here's what
happened.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So the conversation I have with them is on a Thursday
.
The Factory I work at we don'twork on Fridays.
So we in the conversation onThursday night or I guess Friday
morning at three o'clock andand Nathan tells me I have an
interview that afternoon.
So I show up for the interviewthat afternoon.
(29:10):
I find out later that weekendthat he's we're gonna go ahead
and bring you on the team.
You got the job.
So Monday I go in.
Within a span of four days.
I go on Monday and I'm like,hey, I wanna play my two weeks
and then like I said by thatWednesday or so they're like hey
man, we appreciate everythingyou've done for us.
If you're ready to move on tothat next opportunity, you're
(29:30):
free to go.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So at this point, how much experience do you have
outside of like Tech TV?
Do you have a resume of things,of projects that you've worked
on, or is it just like you gotyour camera that you said you
were saving up for, and whatexperience do you?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
have at that point I mean at that point, we go on
which is funny, like maybe somepeople may not be able to use
this as a resume, but as a buson these road trips dating all
the way back to like around thesame time I dropped out of
college, like 2019.
And right before I got broughton, I actually helped a mutual
friend of ours film a video ofhis brand new TRX, which at the
(30:08):
time, dodge just released theTRX and everything like that and
we filmed like a little hypereel for the new truck and
everything like that.
And it did well and Nathan hadseen examples of what I was able
to create and stuff like that,especially the truck reel that I
made was shot and turned aroundin three days, I think.
(30:30):
And Nathan will tell you likethat was something to him.
He was like, okay, I've seenhe's able to be given.
A client can come to him, givehim an idea of what they want.
They can shoot it, have itturned around and refined in a
matter of days.
And also, at that point, I dida lot of photography.
I had an Instagram pagededicated straight, directly and
(30:52):
solely for my photography.
He had that to look at and hehad several examples that he was
able to look at and be like,okay, this guy's obviously very
capable.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So that was part of the grilling session.
It was just picking through thestuff that you had done.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, no, it most definitely was.
And what would you do in thissituation?
And let's say, a mother of abride says this about the
wedding, or something like that,which, funny enough, I had been
to maybe two weddings when Igot hired at Not Productions,
and that was my biggest concern.
To Nathan, I was like man, Idon't know a whole lot about
(31:26):
weddings.
Not a lot of my family's gottenmarried and obviously I'm 20 at
the time.
Not a lot of my friends havegotten married at that point.
So I was like I don't know awhole lot about weddings.
And he was like don't worryabout it.
Nathan's like I promise youyou're very capable.
He's like I'm gonna show youhow we do it and fast forward
now.
I do 40 wedding videos a year.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, and that's crazy that that's happened in
the span of going on three years, now that you were able to do
that.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a lot of time put in, it's a lot of weird
hours and then, even when youleave the studio, you crack open
the MacBook at home on thecouch and finish it, or you're
constantly watching videos orsomething like that, reading
Reddit forums about what you cando better, and it's a lot of
(32:15):
hard work and sacrificingpersonal time.
You know what I mean.
But that's easy when you'repassionate about something.
Super easy when you'repassionate about something.
You can't get enough of it.
Like I was saying earlier,Absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
One thing that I personally have a question about
is being someone that is in thespace of creating some stuff
with the podcast and things.
One thing that I want to workon in 2024 is learning how to be
better on social media, create,like, some short videos and
things like that.
What is a budget setup that youwould recommend to somebody
(32:49):
that wants to get better just onsocial media?
Obviously, I'm looking around.
You've guys got the Sonycameras, like the YouTube videos
that you guys do of what's inyour camera bag.
Those are some of my favoritevideos to watch, like I'm
obsessed with just like tech andstuff.
But if you're somebody that haslike an iPhone or a ring light
or something like, what is asetup that you would recommend
to somebody?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Man, it's not going to be the most fun answer and
people honestly get kind offrustrated whenever they ask
that question, and this is theone I give them.
We live in a day and age wherethe some of the best cameras
you'll have are going to be inyour pocket.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The iPhone is dude.
That's what I shot on Before Ibought the camera.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I shot almost exclusively on my iPhone and
it's that's honestly the answerI was hoping for.
It's just like how do youutilize that to be able?
To create something.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, man, they get better every year.
Man, it's crazy and, like yousaid, I'm a tech guy too, so
this I think it was the 14 thatcame out, the iPhone 14, man,
it's 52 megapixels on the cameraand I'm like that's nuts,
that's stupid, but it's the mostconvenient thing.
You already have one.
Almost everyone has one.
(33:59):
Tiktok is crazy.
You film something.
You could film what you'reeating for lunch and it could go
viral.
You know what I mean.
We live in a day and age where,if you want to create, there
should literally be nothingstopping you from creating and
it's If you have an idea, youhave the means to execute the
idea.
Do it.
A lot of times, man, we live insuch a easy creative world
(34:22):
where, a lot of times, the onlything preventing someone from
actually going out and creatingsomething is themselves the fear
of what other people think, orsomething like that.
Or they think they don't knowhow to do it.
It's, yeah, pull out your phone, video what you had for lunch,
or video you and your friendshaving a good time, and then
post it and it's, you're totallyable to do that.
(34:43):
And then my advice is do that.
Hammer that If you sit there andyou create with your iPhone.
Maybe you want to do like adaily vlog, create with your
iPhone for a year and absolutelyknow that camera in and out.
You know exactly what you'recapable of with that camera,
(35:04):
with your phone.
And if you get to the end ofthat year and you're like man,
I've done everything I couldpossibly do with this, I've
tapped out on the potential.
Then consider maybe purchasing,like a, your first mirrorless
or something like that.
And that's only if you findyourself in a position where
you're like I think I want toparlay this into another field
(35:26):
Like you don't want to show upto someone's wedding day and
film their wedding on an iPhone,right?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
But if you're just creating for yourself and stuff
like that, you're more than ableto do that with your iPhone.
So, like I said, get to knowyour phone camera in and out,
absolutely master that, get tobe able to do that stuff in your
sleep, man.
And then when you finally reachthat, when you think you've
topped out on your potential,sit there, do some research and
you're like I think I would beable to execute like my creative
(35:55):
desires at a higher clip if Iupgraded to another camera.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So yeah, I definitely think that we can go down the
rabbit hole of looking at thenewest camera, looking at the
newest piece of gear, and for meit's like looking at new
microphones.
Thinking, I need to upgrade,and a lot of it could be just
controlling the environmentyou're in.
You can make the microphone youhave sound good, but it's just
(36:21):
this constantly leveling upthing.
One during COVID, a thing thatI was really on a kick about,
learning more about as far froma tech perspective, was like
custom built PCs I was.
I gained from time to time, so Iwas like man, I'm going to get
me this PC with this and thisand yeah, it's hard to you're
(36:42):
quickly not satisfied with whatyou have and think that you
always need to be in thispursuit of more.
So, with night productions, whohandles the social media for
you guys?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It is a joint effort because we're all creating stuff
and we all have like differentthings we've shot or like edited
and stuff like that.
Allie may have a really prettywedding portrait that she's
taken and she wants to post that, or a senior or something like
that.
I may have a real.
I may have a real from awedding that I've shot and
(37:13):
edited.
That I'm like this is great.
I need to put this up, and thesame goes for Nathan.
It's really, it's a conjoinedeffort.
It's really everyone like helpout, like hey, if you have
something to post, make sure youpost it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, so you said that you are in charge of the
YouTube right.
What are your top three tipsfor shooting YouTube videos?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
My top three tips for shooting YouTube videos easily.
Consistency you can throw upanything.
You know what I mean.
It doesn't have to be like themost perfectly crafted
masterpiece every single timeBecause, one, you're not posting
enough.
Two, you're also not gettingbetter.
If you're not shooting enough,say you come out and you shoot
(37:55):
once every three months and thenspend a lot of time.
You will make a really goodvideo, but you're also, you
haven't done anything in threemonths.
For me, if you're starting out,quantity is better than quality,
and then, once you get to apoint where you're finding your
stride, that quantity turns intoquality.
That's my first thing.
Consistency Two would just becreativity.
(38:16):
If you have any idea whatsoever, come up here to the guys or go
to who you're shooting thevideo with and say hey, I want
to try this man, I've come upwith ideas before.
Where I come to Nathan, I'mlike hey, let's shoot a
commercial for an air tag andyou, me and Alex compete against
each other, and then we comeback in 24 hours and we react to
(38:38):
each other's commercial.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
That's cool.
I would definitely watch that.
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I'm saying I think what you could do if you would
just put yourself out there,like sometimes it doesn't have
to be, like I said it doesn'thave to be a cinematic
masterpiece.
You can just have an idea andthen come to your guys and then
just execute it, and that, to me, that's the biggest thing when
it comes to creativity.
Just, I feel like sometimes wejust cap ourselves on that.
(39:05):
We're just like go through themotions and stuff like that.
So I guess my third thing wouldbe really pushing it out.
If you're just going to make avideo and then just post it and
not say a word about it, thenyou're going to look at those
which I think sometimes viewscan be overrated.
But if you post a video andthen you check on it and it's
(39:26):
gotten three views, what's yourfault?
You didn't let anybody knowabout it.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, again, I think we live inthis world where it's like
we're afraid of what otherpeople will think about it, and
I think a lot of times that kindof caps you on what you're
capable of.
Man, if I made a video and I'mgoing to post it this week on
Thursday at 6.30, I'm going toblast it all over my story, I'm
(39:47):
going to let everyone know aboutit.
I'm going to send that link inmy family group chat.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, hey, go watch this.
I made this, I'm happy with itand I think it's good content.
Let people know about it.
You know what I'm saying, so.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Absolutely so one of my questions that you said
family group chat.
One thing that I've noticedabout creating is that it's
almost easier to get strangersto support you than people that
are like close to you, familyand close friends.
Is that something that you'vedealt with or is it something
that everyone's just supportiveof for it?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Funny enough, Nathan has like a theory on this and I
think he calls it like the diptheory or something like that.
He's even with nightproductions Whenever he comes
out and he's hey, this is mybusiness, night productions
Really on the graph, everyone'ssuper, super interested.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
They're like that is so cool.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's awesome, bro, can't believe you're doing that.
Props to you, man.
And then, as time progresses,the hype goes like this and
you'll have your, like you said,there's a few people who are
like, hey, man, that's awesomewhat you're doing and everything
like that.
And then, as you continue to doit and people will touch back
on, like they'll touch back andsee if you're still doing it, if
(41:00):
you're still doing it, all of asudden you, that graph starts
to rise again and you've reachedthis consistency.
Oh, this wasn't a fad, they'restill doing it.
So then people will then buyback in.
Yeah, it's a mental thing,cause you see that dip and then
you're like that was fun whileit lasted.
People give up and they're likeman, I guess it was fun, I gave
(41:20):
it a shot, but then if you keepdoing it, like I said, you'll
find that like next gold mine oflike people are like oh, he's
serious about this, he'sactually committed.
So for me personally, granted,my friend group like they all,
like they're, like they're theyalways loved the videos, cause
I'd make the vlogs like of usbeing goofy and joking around
with each other and stuff likethat.
So my friends were alwaysinvolved in the video.
(41:42):
So when I'd send that to them,they always loved to see
themselves in the videos.
My friend group just seemed tobe invested in it because maybe
they were participating in it.
However, I will say there havebeen people maybe I considered
friends who thought it was coolat first, but then, like you
said, they come back and they'relike oh, it's cool, you're
(42:03):
doing this.
You're like, you know, I wasdoing this.
I told you about this a whileago and it's now that you see
that it's succeeding and it'sstarting to be a more consistent
thing.
You want to chime back in andbe like man I was riding from
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, absolutely.
I just finished a book and it'scalled essentialism.
It's by a guy, greg McEwen, andit's basically the pursuit of
less things but better.
So the whole theory about it isthat we focus our energy on so
many different things and weonly make a micro movement and
all of these things versus justfocusing on one thing and making
strong efforts in that onething.
(42:36):
And I suffered from that withthe podcast for about a year.
I did it really consistently.
Then I got a new job position.
When I was the warehousemanager, I was working, not
getting probably 70, 80 hours aweek, wasn't able to be as
consistent as I wanted to, andthen when I came out of that
role it's like my love forpodcasting I was able to look up
(42:58):
from the weeds.
Finally I was getting caughtback up and then I was like, oh,
this is what we were talkingabout.
That was my dip.
And now I'm trying to get backon that path of consistency.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, man, a big mental anchor, for sure, is
easily to find.
So, to build on what you saidsometimes less, but more right.
Maybe you don't have the bigcrowd cheering for you whenever
you do your thing, but give methe consistent crowd over the
(43:35):
big crowd that dissipates everysingle time.
For me, man, I want to makecontent and I want to do my job
in a manner that makes thepeople closest to me, or the
people that matter to me thehappiest that could be any given
couple that I'm doing a weddingvideo for.
As long as they love the video,I don't care what anybody else
thinks.
You know what I'm saying.
(43:56):
So if Nathan is proud and happywith the content I'm providing
the client.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I don't care what anybody else thinks.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
If Allie enjoys the wedding day that we shot
together and she's happy that weare a team working together, I
don't care what anybody elsethinks my fiance Mallory if I'm
still leading a life the way Ishould be and she's proud of
what I'm doing, with the workthat I'm putting out, I don't
care what anybody else thinks.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I'm saying Give me the consistency.
Every single time I could careless about the flakiness, the up
and down, like you said,someone chiming in two years
later and being like, hey, it'scool that you're doing this.
My best friends, my coworkers,my fiance, have been telling me
that for the last two years.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
So I know that Absolutely.
So let's dive into what year?
Let's recap 2023.
What are some of your favoritethings that you did in 2023?
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Man for me in 2023, again, not productions to me, I
love it like it's my own.
So any kind of growth, we seedifferent opportunities and
stuff like that.
To me, that's the mostimportant thing.
Like every single year, I'mjust looking for us to take that
next step.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I mentioned earlier, wewere able, we had the
(45:09):
opportunity to shoot somecontent and feature, like Tim
Tebow was in it.
That's for me, that's a stellardude.
That's right around my age.
When I was getting into collegefootball.
I thought that dude wasSuperman.
Fast forward all these yearslater.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Did you get to talk to him or?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, no, me and Nathan both.
Now, does he remember who weare?
Probably not.
But me and Nathan had theopportunity we were maybe one of
or two of maybe 10 people inthe room because they cleared
out everybody to go to theauditorium for this event we
were shooting.
And he came up to all 10 of us,shook our hands, asked us our
name and was like what are youguys doing?
(45:43):
We're like, oh, we're videoing,we do this here in Paragloude.
And he was like, oh, that'ssuper cool, Nathan Caden, it was
super nice to meet you.
God bless you.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not a real communication,but it's to us.
That was stoke Me and Nathanafter.
We played it cool in that moment.
But, like I said, we're thesame age.
That guy walks out of the room.
We're like we should have aconversation with Tim Tebow.
Bro, that's nuts, that wassuper cool.
(46:04):
We're very good friends withMary Beth Byrd, who was a very
successful singer on the Voice.
She did well on that a fewyears ago and then we've done
some content for her since theVoice and we've really enjoyed
working with her, and then thisyear she had the opportunity to
compete on American Idol.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I watched that season .
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, and she's incredibly talented.
It's ridiculous and because ofour friendship with her and the
work we've done with her in thepast, she comes to us earlier
this year and she's would youguys be able to shoot this scene
for an episode coming up thatwill be featured on American
Idol?
(46:46):
And me and Nathan were likeyeah, it doesn't matter If it's
at 2 am, we'll be there.
That's of course we would.
I don't know.
That was super cool, like wewere on the phone with the
people from I guess it was at LA, like we're on the phone with
them and we built this entireset with lighting and everything
like that and like athree-camera angle set up, and
(47:06):
they were like, can we do it?
in the other room, not a wordwas said to me and Nathan was
like, absolutely yes, we.
Can we tear down that entireset and we move it over?
To have you ever seen a radiobooth?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's super compact, not much bigger than Ali's
office over here, and so we thentake all that lighting, the
three-camera angles, move it toa radio booth that also has two
people in it and we set that allup.
And again, we're still on thephone with the people from LA
and we're sending them picturesand stuff like that of what we
(47:39):
have, and they're like that'sawesome, we love it, let's shoot
.
We shoot for probably like anhour and a half, after we'd been
there for two and a half hours,setting up the first set,
breaking it down, setting up thenext set.
You know, we ship all thatfootage off to them and then we
would just wait and it was like,like I said, it felt like
(48:00):
forever.
But then, man, you can go onHulu and watch this past season
and watch that episode and we'refreaking out because we know we
shot that.
You know what I mean.
So that's cool that some of ourworks been featured on a
nationally televised show.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
So yeah, I actually checked out Joe's YouTube
channel and saw that saying Iwas like I remember that episode
where they were talking to herand there was issues in the
booth and things like thatthat's awesome, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
And it's like I said, it's obviously like some people
could look at it and benegative and stuff like that.
But like for us and our team,we are like, dude, if you had
told me two years ago, hey,you're gonna shoot something
that's gonna be featured onAmerican Idol, we'd be like, no,
we're not no shot.
(48:46):
You know what I'm saying.
So for us it was a coolopportunity.
And then with the wedding sideof things, I think again, second
year in a row we were able toshoot 60 plus weddings as a team
.
We got to go to Montana shootsome really beautiful stuff out
there for that wedding and it isjust for me to continue to have
(49:10):
the consistent work that we'vehad over the last two years.
And it was like I don't know,man, it's just a really crazy
life.
Like I kind of, when I reflecton the last year, when I'm
making that end of the year post, you know, like wrapping
everything up, man, it's such astupid laugh, it's so silly.
Like it's like I'm just superthankful for the opportunities
(49:34):
that we've had over the lastyear and it's like there's no
and there's nothing else.
I'd rather put all my effortand time towards and like just
get what I get out of it.
You know what I mean.
It's just, it doesn't feel likea job, it's just like.
It's just so fun, I don't knowlike it.
(49:54):
There's nothing that comparesto me.
You know what I mean.
So 2023 to me was just anotheryear of proven that we can still
do it.
You know what I mean.
It's we're still here, so whatdoes 2024 look like?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
What are some of your goals for 2024?
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Man.
Again.
We wanna continue to build onwhat we have and for me and
Nathan, how our relationshipstarted a gamble.
Me and him are not afraid ofputting all our chips to the
center of the table and bettingon ourselves.
If it doesn't work out, me andhim live by this dude.
(50:36):
He's the same way when it comesto this as I am.
Like if it doesn't work out, itwon't be because I didn't try
my butt off.
It's gonna be because it justwasn't meant to be, it just
didn't happen.
But I'm going to try my tailend off to make sure it happens,
make sure it's executedproperly and give it everything
I have.
So we have a lot of expectationsfor this year.
(50:56):
We want another big jump.
Like I said, we wanna stillmake sure like we're still here,
we're still consistentlyputting out the quality of work
that we know we're able to.
We wanna continue to help outin like the community, the
Paragold, like we've done overthe years, and like just
continue to have thosefriendships that we have.
We have a lot of really funideas.
(51:17):
I don't know if you've seen someof the stuff we've been doing
recently with the KP Sportsstuff.
Like we've kind of added on abranch to not productions.
So it's the first thing we'veever done like that and, like I
said, we're both big sports guys.
We're getting into sports mediaand we've done a bunch of team
shoes with the lights and thesmoke and everything like that
and those have done extremelywell here in Northeast Arkansas
(51:38):
and along with that, in myopinion, we've gained a lot of
cool friendships with thecoaches and athletic directors
in the area and stuff like that.
And we've gone to a lot ofbasketball games in the last
three months.
It's been absurd, and we've gota lot of basketball games to go
to on the coming months andstuff like that.
I think the big thing for us iswe want to.
(51:58):
We wanna make sure that this islike a sustainable thing.
Like I said, we're gonna puteverything we have towards this
new branch that we have herewith not productions.
But if it doesn't work out, itwon't be because we didn't try.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
So Absolutely Well.
I appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you taking thetime to sit down with me share
your story.
It was really encouraging tohear where you came from and
where you wanna go.
Where can we get connected withyou on social media?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Man, you can follow our Facebook page and our
Instagram page.
Instagram isatknotteproductions underscore,
and then our sports page onInstagram is
atknotteproductionsports, andthen Facebook just not
productions.
And then, if you wanna watchour, there's a link in our
Instagram bio.
But if you just wanna look itup on YouTube, that's gonna be
(52:49):
not productions and you shouldbe able to find all the videos
we've made.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
And the last thing I wanna ask you.
So what's the roadmap?
If someone out there wants toget into the field that you're
doing, what do you recommend andwhat are the steps to get there
?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
The steps for me.
I stand by for me and it'sexactly what's got me to where I
am is I don't think there's awhole lot in this life that's
unattainable if you'redetermined and just willing to
put time and effort towards it.
For me personally, like I said,I've had a lot of roadblocks
(53:28):
and there's been a lot of timeswhere I can look back and I'm be
like wow, I'm surprised Ididn't give up.
Then, if you're willing to andyou're mentally capable of just
persevering and having a betterperspective on life, I think if
you put your mind to somethingand you work towards it, that's
(53:49):
a lot of.
We live in a day and age wherea lot of times people are like I
want it now.
That's just not how life works.
Like we talked about earlier,it was a long three years.
It's just.
You have to put time, effortand work towards it.
If you want to get to this part,if you want to get to this
point in the field which,granted, I don't think I'm the
top of the field or anythinglike that, but just to be
(54:12):
participating and involved inthis field go out, build your
portfolio up.
I've done a lot of free work.
Night Productions as a wholehas done a lot of free work.
Don't worry so much about pricewhen you're starting out.
Sometimes a nice portfolio isbetter than a big bank account.
Just don't be afraid of freework and build some friendships,
(54:34):
connections and stuff like that.
Like you and me, we've becomevery we've gone really far into
this friendship just because wemet at a little open house event
and I was able to film you andyour wife's day and I think of
us as great friends.
That's crucial in this field aswell, having friends in the
(54:54):
industry and a little Drakeshout out there, yeah absolutely
, and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
That's one of the main things.
When me and my wife are gettingready to have our wedding day,
there's nobody else that I wouldwant to do the video other than
you guys.
I appreciate you guys having mein the studio once again.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, man, thanks for letting me ramble.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
No, absolutely man.
But yeah, this has been anotherepisode of the Clever Angle
podcast.
All the links to the socialwhere you can connect with Caden
will be in the show notes andwhere you can find us will be in
the show notes as well.
And until next time, peace.
I hope you guys enjoyed theepisode as much as I did.
If you guys would do me a favor, go ahead and subscribe to the
(55:38):
podcast, Follow us on Instagram,follow us on YouTube.
I would really appreciate it.
Until next time, until nextweek, peace.
Welcome back to another episode of the Clever
Angle podcast.
Today's guest is Caden Brown.
He currently works for NightProductions and we are excited
to hear Caden's story and how hecame to be to doing the work
that he loves.
I hope you guys enjoy.
Yeah, so I've got Caden Brownhere with me on the podcast.
(00:20):
I am in the Night Productionsstudio.
I'm back after two years.
We talked to Nathan Knight, soI'll leave the link to his
episode and the show notes Caden, how you doing, man?
I'm doing great man.
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm happy to be back in 2024getting to talk to you guys.
(00:41):
I know the audience can't seeit, but the studio looks good.
There's been a lot of changes,so I'm excited to get to talk to
you guys.
As I do with every episode, Itry to do a little bit of
research, and I was checking outyour socials and checking out
your YouTube, which is somethings I've got some questions
about.
So I stumbled upon the whatwe've been up to video that you
(01:06):
did.
So what have you been up to?
What have you been up to herein the last just few months?
And then we'll talk about the2023 recap after that.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Man, the last few months have just we talk about
it a lot up here it has been awhirlwind, man.
You know how busy those fallweddings get and everything like
that.
And then Nathan had the greatidea to get married right in the
middle of wedding season, whichlove him for that.
It was a cool little moment totake a break and then go shoot
some more weddings that weekendand everything like that which
(01:36):
he participated in as well, andyeah, that just that kind of
sums up the fall wedding season.
It's like this guy got marriedon a Friday and then had to
shoot a wedding on Sunday, andso that proceeds to go
throughout the months, and thenwe in the process of it all are
trying to keep up with puttingthe brand out there and
everything like that, and thenalso juggling getting ready for
(01:59):
the new year and everything, andyeah, that's really what it is.
It feels like just a constantjuggling act.
You're always just trying tokeep the next foot front of you
and don't lose it, don't miss astep.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Absolutely.
Caden, can you give us justlike a little bit of an elevator
pitch about who you are, whatyou do for a living, so that the
audience can get familiar withyou?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, absolutely man.
So my name is Caden Brown.
I am recently 24 years old andI have worked at night
productions for, in June, whatwill be three years, which
coming out of my mouth, isabsolutely insane to say.
I primarily do video work herefor Nathan, the owner of night
productions, and I do a littlebit of photography there
(02:41):
whenever I need to and alongwith those responsibilities I
handle like client booking andclient communication and stuff
like that.
And essentially whenever peopleask what I do at night
productions, I just tell themI'm Nathan's right hand man.
Nathan says to jump and I askhim how high.
That's what I do.
I grew up in Perigold for amajority of my life.
(03:02):
There was like a year or twowhere I moved to the top of
Mississippi for a little bitbecause of my mother's work.
It was in like this olivebranch South Haven area, but
other than that, primarily grewup in Perigold.
I graduated from Tech, like Isaid, and it just it's one of my
(03:22):
favorite parts about what I dowith night productions is, with
Perigold being the size that itis, feel like everything is so
just knitted together, like thecommunity feels so tight and
close and everything like that,and that's one of the best parts
about what we do at nightproductions.
We're located downtown so we'realways helping out with all the
events that Perigold's doingand it just feels we're just
(03:44):
constantly running into theother people in the area and we
all love the city the same way.
And yeah, that's a quicksynopsis of what I do.
I just I help out aroundPerigold and do whatever Nathan
night tells me to do.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Okay, so you said you're recently 24.
You've been working for nightproductions for three years.
What did you do before then?
And did you know that when youlinked up with Nathan, that this
is what you wanted to do?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Man before I started working at night productions.
To be completely honest, man, Ihad a lot of hardship coming
out of high school and, due to abunch of other issues, I'm a
college dropout and I alwayswanted to do what I'm doing
(04:33):
nowadays.
But due to being a collegedropout and everything like that
, from age 18, I really didn'tknow how realistic that was
because of the college stuff andI worked in a.
I worked at Best Buy for alittle while.
Then, when Best Buy got hit bya tornado, I had to.
I had to figure something out.
(04:54):
That's my character has alwaysbeen like.
Just from a very young age, Ihad a lot of hardships dealt to
me, but I always told myself I'dnever use it as a crutch.
My mentality was always likeI'm going to work my butt off
and I'm going to give iteverything I have and then, as
(05:15):
long as I do it that way,mentally I told myself I was
like it's going to have to workout.
Whenever Best Buy gets blownaway, I have to go and I start
running inventory numbers in afactory.
Man, I'm working.
I never thought I'd see myselfin that position, especially
whenever this is funny enough Iwanted to play with the camera
for a living.
(05:35):
I'm like getting up at threeo'clock in the morning and as a
20 year old kid you're like thissucks, but I'm driving to
Truman and Jonesboro and PiggettRector.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
What factory did you work for?
I worked at Hillcrest Tool andDie.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I was constantly just running the different
manufacturing places and I'dhave to go to the stock
warehouses and everything likethat in Truman and Pickparts and
it was just constant runningman.
The entire time I kept up withmy own.
I'd like video and do picturesand stuff on the side with my
(06:11):
friends and it wasn't anoccupation, but I just wanted to
keep doing that.
I didn't want to lose sight ofwhat I still wanted to do.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So when you went to college.
Was that what you were tryingto pursue?
Is that?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
What did you do to create media?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
So I just wanted to stop where you said I'm a
college dropout.
I honestly I have a completelydifferent stance on college than
I did probably 10 years ago.
I completed college and Ihonestly wish that I wouldn't
have.
I think that there is a certainplace for certain things that
need a college degree, which iswhy I started this podcast.
(06:47):
I got to the end of my collegedegree and it was one of those
things that this is theculmination of your entire life.
You go to high school and theneveryone in high school tells
you that you need to go tocollege.
And then you go to college.
I did my internship, I got outthere into the real world and
nothing changed for me.
There wasn't this job that wasgoing to be making six figures
(07:09):
right when I got out and it justwas like a awakening for me
mentally towards like oh man,okay, every college degree is
not going to lead to a job.
I have a degree in healthpromotion and I reached out to
my advisor, the guy that wasover the health promotion
department.
I said, hey, I just graduated.
(07:31):
What can I do for a job?
I really want to stay in thearea and he flat out told me
that I was going to have toeither go get my master's or I
was going to have to move out ofstate.
That was when I realized that,okay, there's a gap here between
the information that you learnout of high school and when you
get out of college.
That needs to be addressed.
That was my spark for wantingto sit down with different
(07:52):
people on the podcast.
Was we need to get moreinformation out there about
what's available?
What can I do with them withouta degree?
Don't think of you notfinishing colleges like some
kind of failure or anything,because I think that, honestly,
you made the right decision.
If that's what you wanted to do, you're doing it now without a
college degree, and it wasinteresting to hear your path to
(08:15):
get to night production versusNathan.
That's cool, because I've comefrom a six years of working in a
warehouse slash factoryenvironment, so it does suck.
It's one of those things thatI'm glad that there are people
that are willing to do that work, because it's definitely needed
, but it's not for everybody.
(08:36):
So I want to backtrack to whendid you find your groove and
figure out that you wanted to dosomething with a camera?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, man, I mean, that was from an early age I
remember being Before I was evena teenager.
I wanted to make videos with Ihave two younger brothers and
constantly wanted to just makevideos with them, Us being
stupid, us, you know, acting outstuff that we'd seen on TV
(09:04):
shows and stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
What were you using?
What cameras are in stuff wereyou using back then?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I think at the time this was like it was like a JVC,
like camcorder.
This was just like an old thingthat my dad had in his office.
Then I'm looking back I'mprobably sure that I probably
wasn't supposed to be playingwith it, but me and my brothers
loved it.
It was just like we would justvideo each other saying
different things or them singingsongs or something like that.
We would just watch that stuffover and over again.
(09:31):
It was like I don't know, itwas just fun, just maybe just
seeing ourselves do that oncamera.
That transformed into ninthgrade I go into tech TV, which
is like a broadcast injournalism class at Green County
Tech and Ms Andrews is theteacher there Pam Andrews and
(09:56):
tech TV is like known as one ofthe programs around here.
I think tech and nettleton havelike some of the best like TV
programs at the schools in thearea and I learn everything
there is to know about like TVand radio and stuff like that.
And then we're constantlycompeting for the next few years
and I really was passionateabout that stuff but like I was
(10:21):
a little bit, I was a classclown.
So I didn't take it superserious and me and Ms Andrews
which, funny enough, I'm veryclose with her now and I still
commentate for her for tech TVto this day but in class in high
school we did not get along.
She would constantly have to geton to me and she was like
(10:41):
you're not taking this seriousenough.
And now, having thatconversation with her nowadays,
she was like she would tell me,like you were talented and she's
, and I could see that you, like, wanted to pursue this and
she's like you had the abilityto pursue this she's, but you
didn't take it serious enoughand she was like she's like to
(11:03):
me, I didn't want you to throwaway something that you would
potentially really enjoy in thislife.
And I think about her a lot andshe's one of those people that
kind of guided me, because Ilacked a lot of guidance growing
up.
My my mom's a travel nurse andme and my father didn't have the
best relationship, a little bitof a troubled kid growing up.
I wasn't doing anything stupidor anything like that, but I
(11:23):
just didn't really care about itin school and so for her
constantly getting on me andconstantly pushing me in the
right direction in this I didvery well in tech TV and when we
go to the competitions I wouldplace well and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And because of that so what did it like a
competition look like?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You would go to these like we had some competitions
in like Missouri and stuff likethat.
And then we'd go to hot springsand we would a lot of times,
depending on what category youentered your team into, there
was a broadcast class.
Four of us would go to thisroom and you'd be given a script
and then two people have to beanchored.
One of them runs the camera andthen someone's running the
(12:06):
producer role.
They're like camera one, standby camera one, you're up.
You know what I mean.
You would do that.
And then that gets shown tojudges and then they compare it
to other schools that are theredoing the same script, doing the
same production.
Who did it better?
You know what I mean?
And then there was like otherthings where you're given a
prompt and you have to record ashort film with the prompt
(12:28):
you're given and stuff like that.
There's photographycompetitions and stuff like that
.
It was just anything you couldthink of when it comes to like
media.
There was communications day atASU.
We would go and we'd spend theentire day at Arkansas State and
they had radio announcing thatgive you a script that Trace
(12:48):
Stafford said earlier in theweek and you'd just read it off
and you had to read the weatherforecast and everything like
that.
And then, like I said, they'rejust comparing it to the other
students from the other schoolswho did the same thing and then
you get ranked on that and youget first, second, third,
honorable mention, stuff likethat.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So did you always want to do video, or was there
other areas of media that kindof drew you during that time
period?
Did you ever want to be like abroadcaster or anything like
that?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
So I'm a big sports guy and so, like I had a lot of
interest in the sports castingarea Like I said, I still
commentate basketball, football,soccer to this day for Green
County Tech Like I was reallypassionate about that.
But there's a certain cap oncreativity when it comes to that
(13:36):
.
You know what I mean.
I'm just describing the game toa listener or a viewer.
You know what I mean.
And Tech TV was more broadcastoriented and me and Nathan have
had conversations about this too.
There was probably a day and apoint in my life where I was
like I could see myself endingup at KIT.
(13:57):
You know what I'm saying andI'm thankful every single day
that I didn't, because notbecause I don't see that job as
fun, but it's like to me there'sa certain level.
Like I said, there's a cap onthe creativity you can have in
that role.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, you almost have to be like in a box.
You have to be in a box andthey want everything that KIT is
going to put out is going tohave to be within that box.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
And, like I said, man , I'm telling you if I would
have completed college, there'sno guarantee that's not where I
would have tried to take mycareer.
You know what I mean.
So perspective is a big thing.
I base my life around Like Itry to have a positive
perspective on everything.
So I look back on being acollege dropout at that time was
(14:43):
like the worst thing that'sever happened to me, is now my
biggest blessing, because nowI'm able to do whatever I want
with Nathan, allows me theopportunity to, like you said, I
make a YouTube video every week, dude.
You know like I can do whateverI want with that.
I get to go and shoot theseweddings all year and, you know,
(15:06):
give these people back theirwedding day, something that
they're going to rewatch overand over again and, you know, at
the end of that day I've made,I've become friends with that
couple.
You know what I mean and I justthere's nothing surprises me
with this job.
Like I swear constantly I tellNathan I'm like you literally
(15:27):
never know what to expect whenit comes to this.
Like we filmed with Tim Tebowlast year and then we helped
Mary Beth out with her AmericanIdol stuff, and it's like I
wouldn't have done that inbroadcasting.
You know what I mean.
It's been very like pigeonholed.
It's get the story, go get someshots, do a voiceover, turn it
(15:48):
in.
You know what I mean and Idon't want to say that's all you
do there, but I'm saying likethat's very, like that's the
buttoned up version of it.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, absolutely and when.
So you said that one of the lowpoints at the time was being a
college dropout.
When did you start trying tokind of approach it from that
gratitude perspective, like whendid you start to think, okay,
it's going to be okay, ithappened for a reason?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Man I had, like I said, I just had this mentality
that I was like you can eithertake that and you can be like
this is what I'm going to do forthe rest of my life, or you can
take it and I'm like, okay, I'mgoing to work my tail end off
and, regardless of my situation,I'm going to try to reach a
(16:37):
goal.
You know what I'm saying andthat doesn't happen by yourself.
I, dude, I can tell you I'mvery good at being lucky, like I
have really good people in mylife.
There was a point in my lifeafter being a college dropout
Again, like I said, the familysituation was very rough.
I end up being homeless at onepoint and because of the people
(16:58):
I surrounded myself with, I gettaken in, honestly, right around
when COVID starts and,thankfully and that family it
was actually one of my bestfriends, alexander Lathun, his
family takes me in and they putthat mentality into me.
They're like you've had a lotof mishaps up to this point in
(17:18):
your life.
How will you use that to goforward?
How will you progress?
And I took that and I was likeyou're right.
Like I said, that may have beenthe worst thing that's ever
happened to me up to this pointin my life.
But how can I make it the bestthing that's ever happened to me
, which then I start workingtowards this?
I work that job, like I said,the manufacturing and stuff like
(17:40):
that and I was like I'm goingto save half of every paycheck
until I can afford to buy acamera.
And that's what I did.
I spent more money than I'veever spent on anything in my
entire life up to that point.
I'm like a mirrorless camera.
So then once you do that, youspend all that money, you're
like okay, you got to use it now, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And you got to get the lens and with my brother
being in photography, I knowsometimes the lenses are more
expensive than the camera.
That's, you put all the chipson yourself and forced yourself
into action, which was cool.
So when does your storyintersect with Nathan's?
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So that is again, like I said, one of the things I
look back on and I'm justreally good at being lucky and
me and my friend that I justtalked about, alexander LaFoon,
we go on road trips with ourother best friend, trevor Thomas
, and we video everything.
We make like a little cinematicpiece after we get done with
(18:34):
that trip and photos and stufflike that.
And we've been to a lot of coolplaces, but the coolest place
we've ever been, in my opinion,is we went to the Pacific Coast,
the Pacific Northwest.
We went up to Oregon, took someof the most beautiful pictures
and videos I've ever seen in myentire life and throughout time
me and Nathan have intersected afew times.
I was just stoked.
(18:57):
I thought it was so cool whatNathan was doing, because
Nathan's my age, we had mutualfriends and stuff like that, and
when you see a guy like yourage going out and doing it like
what you want to do, that guy'sthe coolest person you've ever
met.
You're like dude, that guy'sreally doing it.
So I just had a ton of mutualrespect or I had a ton of mutual
(19:18):
friends that would talk to meabout Nathan and I saw what
Nathan was doing.
So I had a ton of respect forNathan and we'd always like we
were social media friends.
We'd always comment on eachother's posts and stuff like
that, share it on our stories,but we had never actually hung
out, which was like the funniestthing.
And I take his not-productionshirt that I bought to Oregon
(19:41):
and I have my buddy take apicture of me in front of the
coast of Oregon with thenot-production shirt on and I
post that and I'm shouting outnot-production and everything.
And I think how long ago wasthat?
That was May of 2021.
I've seen that picture.
Yeah, dude, and it's like atthat time, like I said, me and
(20:02):
Nathan had never even hung out.
So, honestly, I was like somemay look at that and be like
this dude's kissing butt.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, you're shooting your shot man.
You're like, hey, I'm trying toget out of here, show us some
dedication, yeah, but obviouslyworks because he texts me after
I post that and he's longmessage.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He's because I, as a small business owner, I'm sure
that meant a lot to him, becauseSome dude bought a shirt from
him and then took it across thecountry and during all these
cool pictures he's posting, hehas the.
He wants to post that.
That was the cover picture.
That was the first picture onthe slide that I posted and I
Tag not productions in it and Ishout them out and everything
(20:39):
like that.
And so he's a look, man, whenyou come back home, let's hang
out, let's go do something.
We end up at the same like partywith one of our mutual friends
and we're talking and everythinglike that.
And he's hey, this, if you wantthe exact details, he's the
movie that was out with the time.
What was it, nathan?
It was a Quiet place to a quietplace to was out.
Nathan was like man, let's gowatch that movie and I haven't
(21:01):
seen quiet place one.
And he's, okay, we need first.
We need to watch the firstquiet place before we go watch
the second one.
So we go to Alexander's house.
Like I said, huge guy in mylife, he picked me up off the
streets, got me back on my feet.
We're in his basement.
We watch quiet place to orquiet place one with Trevor.
He's there and man, that movieended at 10 o'clock in his
(21:21):
basement.
We were in Alexander's basementuntil three in the morning just
talking about life, talkingabout goals and stuff like that,
and Nathan mentions Granted, atthis time I'm still working
that manufacturing job, gettingup at three o'clock every
morning and Nathan mentions tome he's man, if you ever wanted
to maybe come help with a shootwith the team or help out, just
(21:43):
let me know.
I would love for you to comehelp out and I like this is so.
This is such a crucial part forme.
Like I looked at Nathan and Iwas like, if you tell me you'll
give me a spot on the team, I'llgo put my two weeks in tomorrow
at work.
Like I will quit my job andcome work for you full-time.
And Nathan laughed at me, justto him.
(22:04):
He was like there's no way,this kid's serious.
Yeah, he's gonna go quit his jobthat's providing for him right
now and just dive in.
That's what I told him.
I was like man, I'll jump intothe deep end with concrete shoes
and I'll find a way to swim.
Just give me a chance.
If you're willing to take achance on me, I'll make sure you
get that bet back tenfold.
And here we are, three yearslater.
(22:26):
I feel like it's worked outdecent.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
No, absolutely.
It's funny because when you andI met was probably around like
when you had just started.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I remember that early on, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, you get a spot on the team, and then what
happens after that?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm just like Every moment of free time I have, I'm
spinning it up here at thestudio.
Like I said, primarily video iswhat I came on for and I just
kept asking for more, for morefrom Nathan.
I was like, let's do this.
I'll go on that shoot with you.
The photography shoot that youdon't even need my help on, I'll
go with you.
I want to learn the ins andouts, like it was something I
(23:01):
was truly passionate about andit's there was nowhere else.
I'd rather be then like Doingwhat I'd finally always wanted
to do.
It was a dream come true for me.
When Nathan has said this before, like when we've talked about
this, nathan had never hadsomeone Come on brand new and
(23:22):
just consistently want more.
I want to learn more.
I want to learn this part ofthe business.
I want to learn this part ofthe business.
And six months after I joinedthe team, I I had taken over the
work phone.
I was like, yeah, I'll handlethat.
I come to him.
A few weeks later and I'm like,yeah, I'll make a YouTube video
every week.
And it was just like For me Ilook at it like I Couldn't get
(23:46):
enough of it.
You know what I'm saying it wasjust like I said.
I was finally doing what I'dalways wanted to do, and for me
and I tell Nathan thisconsistently too it's.
There's not much he could askme to do that I wouldn't be
willing to do for him because ofwhat he's done for me.
You know what I'm saying?
There's yeah, I owe a lot toNathan.
Nathan's given me theopportunity of a lifetime and
(24:09):
that's why, still to this day,we butt heads all the time.
We fought like brothers.
You would think that we wereLiterally brothers, because we
go back and forth all the timeand we don't always see eye to
eye.
But there's not anything Iwouldn't do for the guy because
of what he's done for me.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
So take me through your last day at the factory.
How did that feel when youwalked up?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
for me, like even when I was there, like I said,
my mentality was always like itdoesn't matter what I'm doing,
I'm gonna give it 110%.
Very, I was very respectfulwith them because, even though
it wasn't what I wanted to do,like you said earlier, I'm so
glad there's people who arewilling to do it.
You know what I mean.
It just wasn't for me.
(24:51):
But when I went to my my Bossat the time, whenever Nathan
gave me the opportunity, gave mytwo weeks, they were.
They asked.
They're always interested whatare you?
What's going on where you headto?
Yeah, it's like you and it's I'mgonna go start media, I'm gonna
get in, I'm gonna be on a mediaproduction team here in town
and they know me.
I'm a very personable guy.
(25:11):
I've never met a stranger, I'malways friends with everybody.
So they knew what I wanted todo because they knew I went on
road trips and stuff like that.
They're like oh, that's reallyawesome that they're like that's
what you wanted to dooriginally, right?
And I was like, yeah, this isfor me at the time an
opportunity of a lifetime.
And so they were happy for meand, like I said, I put them on
two weeks.
I wasn't just gonna dip out onthem, I was gonna be respectful
about it.
And they were Veryaccommodating, they were very
(25:35):
awesome about it.
They were like I did Maybethree days of that two week
notice.
And then they were like if youwant to start going full-time to
that opportunity you have,we're fine with that.
We have you covered that.
The way they handled it to memeant the world, because I Was
glad it wasn't a bad ending.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
No, absolutely, and coming from somebody that has
managed people, it always sucksto lose a really good employee,
but at the same time and youwant that employee to be able to
do what they want to do,because when they were there
working for you they gave ittheir all, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And to me, like Just them being understanding and
like wanting the best for me,that meant a lot to me.
And To answer your questionlike that, when I walked out,
like Because it was a morningand I remember, I walked out and
got in the car and I was goingstraight to the studio, and I'm
telling you, man, like I'm surethere was probably tears shed,
(26:33):
you know, like just happiness,like for me it never felt
realistic, it never feltpossible, because I did it for,
let's see, I dropped out ofcollege in 2018 and I started
not productions in 2021.
That's a long three years.
I, you, somewhere in there, you, you imagine you probably want
(26:55):
to start losing hope and and somaybe somewhere in there I did,
but just like, whenever itfinally came, it came through
and then just, I Don't know thatthat first day after was
probably insane.
It was probably super surrealto wake up and be like I'm going
straight to the studio, I havenowhere else to be but the
studio.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, no, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's so interesting that you said that that was a
long three years, and I thinkabout this a lot how Time and
the way that we perceive itchanges as we get older.
So like when you're five yearsold, an hour seems like an
eternity because you're onlyfive, or a year seems like an
eternity because at that time ayear is like 20% of your life.
So when you're 18, 19, threeyears is a big chunk of your
(27:40):
life.
I can definitely tell you thatas you get older, you start to
See time differently and thingslike that.
So when you came on to the, howmany other people were on the
team?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
At that time, alex and Anastasia were on the team.
I was coming in, nathan andAlex interviewed me and
everything like that coming intowhich I knew Anastasia from
school, anastasia went to techwith me and they what did the
interview look like?
The interview looked like thesetwo couches, the one you're
sitting on.
They were over here and I saton one couch by myself and
(28:15):
Nathan and Alex absolutelygrilled me for about 45 minutes,
really Grilled Nathan's overthere pleading his case on the
side.
But I Was put on the spot forquite a few things.
They're like, let's say, wewanted to film a commercial, so
I had to come up with ideas onthe spot and everything like
that.
But I think I did well.
(28:36):
I got the job.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, because at this point, when you're doing the
interview, had you had alreadyput in your two weeks at this
point I had to do the interview,which because here's what
happened.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
So the conversation I have with them is on a Thursday
.
The Factory I work at we don'twork on Fridays.
So we in the conversation onThursday night or I guess Friday
morning at three o'clock andand Nathan tells me I have an
interview that afternoon.
So I show up for the interviewthat afternoon.
(29:10):
I find out later that weekendthat he's we're gonna go ahead
and bring you on the team.
You got the job.
So Monday I go in.
Within a span of four days.
I go on Monday and I'm like,hey, I wanna play my two weeks
and then like I said by thatWednesday or so they're like hey
man, we appreciate everythingyou've done for us.
If you're ready to move on tothat next opportunity, you're
(29:30):
free to go.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
So at this point, how much experience do you have
outside of like Tech TV?
Do you have a resume of things,of projects that you've worked
on, or is it just like you gotyour camera that you said you
were saving up for, and whatexperience do you?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
have at that point I mean at that point, we go on
which is funny, like maybe somepeople may not be able to use
this as a resume, but as a buson these road trips dating all
the way back to like around thesame time I dropped out of
college, like 2019.
And right before I got broughton, I actually helped a mutual
friend of ours film a video ofhis brand new TRX, which at the
(30:08):
time, dodge just released theTRX and everything like that and
we filmed like a little hypereel for the new truck and
everything like that.
And it did well and Nathan hadseen examples of what I was able
to create and stuff like that,especially the truck reel that I
made was shot and turned aroundin three days, I think.
(30:30):
And Nathan will tell you likethat was something to him.
He was like, okay, I've seenhe's able to be given.
A client can come to him, givehim an idea of what they want.
They can shoot it, have itturned around and refined in a
matter of days.
And also, at that point, I dida lot of photography.
I had an Instagram pagededicated straight, directly and
(30:52):
solely for my photography.
He had that to look at and hehad several examples that he was
able to look at and be like,okay, this guy's obviously very
capable.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So that was part of the grilling session.
It was just picking through thestuff that you had done.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, no, it most definitely was.
And what would you do in thissituation?
And let's say, a mother of abride says this about the
wedding, or something like that,which, funny enough, I had been
to maybe two weddings when Igot hired at Not Productions,
and that was my biggest concern.
To Nathan, I was like man, Idon't know a whole lot about
(31:26):
weddings.
Not a lot of my family's gottenmarried and obviously I'm 20 at
the time.
Not a lot of my friends havegotten married at that point.
So I was like I don't know awhole lot about weddings.
And he was like don't worryabout it.
Nathan's like I promise youyou're very capable.
He's like I'm gonna show youhow we do it and fast forward
now.
I do 40 wedding videos a year.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, and that's crazy that that's happened in
the span of going on three years, now that you were able to do
that.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's a lot of time put in, it's a lot of weird
hours and then, even when youleave the studio, you crack open
the MacBook at home on thecouch and finish it, or you're
constantly watching videos orsomething like that, reading
Reddit forums about what you cando better, and it's a lot of
(32:15):
hard work and sacrificingpersonal time.
You know what I mean.
But that's easy when you'repassionate about something.
Super easy when you'repassionate about something.
You can't get enough of it.
Like I was saying earlier,Absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
One thing that I personally have a question about
is being someone that is in thespace of creating some stuff
with the podcast and things.
One thing that I want to workon in 2024 is learning how to be
better on social media, create,like, some short videos and
things like that.
What is a budget setup that youwould recommend to somebody
(32:49):
that wants to get better just onsocial media?
Obviously, I'm looking around.
You've guys got the Sonycameras, like the YouTube videos
that you guys do of what's inyour camera bag.
Those are some of my favoritevideos to watch, like I'm
obsessed with just like tech andstuff.
But if you're somebody that haslike an iPhone or a ring light
or something like, what is asetup that you would recommend
to somebody?
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Man, it's not going to be the most fun answer and
people honestly get kind offrustrated whenever they ask
that question, and this is theone I give them.
We live in a day and age wherethe some of the best cameras
you'll have are going to be inyour pocket.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
The iPhone is dude.
That's what I shot on Before Ibought the camera.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I shot almost exclusively on my iPhone and
it's that's honestly the answerI was hoping for.
It's just like how do youutilize that to be able?
To create something.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, man, they get better every year.
Man, it's crazy and, like yousaid, I'm a tech guy too, so
this I think it was the 14 thatcame out, the iPhone 14, man,
it's 52 megapixels on the cameraand I'm like that's nuts,
that's stupid, but it's the mostconvenient thing.
You already have one.
Almost everyone has one.
(33:59):
Tiktok is crazy.
You film something.
You could film what you'reeating for lunch and it could go
viral.
You know what I mean.
We live in a day and age where,if you want to create, there
should literally be nothingstopping you from creating and
it's If you have an idea, youhave the means to execute the
idea.
Do it.
A lot of times, man, we live insuch a easy creative world
(34:22):
where, a lot of times, the onlything preventing someone from
actually going out and creatingsomething is themselves the fear
of what other people think, orsomething like that.
Or they think they don't knowhow to do it.
It's, yeah, pull out your phone, video what you had for lunch,
or video you and your friendshaving a good time, and then
post it and it's, you're totallyable to do that.
(34:43):
And then my advice is do that.
Hammer that If you sit there andyou create with your iPhone.
Maybe you want to do like adaily vlog, create with your
iPhone for a year and absolutelyknow that camera in and out.
You know exactly what you'recapable of with that camera,
(35:04):
with your phone.
And if you get to the end ofthat year and you're like man,
I've done everything I couldpossibly do with this, I've
tapped out on the potential.
Then consider maybe purchasing,like a, your first mirrorless
or something like that.
And that's only if you findyourself in a position where
you're like I think I want toparlay this into another field
(35:26):
Like you don't want to show upto someone's wedding day and
film their wedding on an iPhone,right?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
But if you're just creating for yourself and stuff
like that, you're more than ableto do that with your iPhone.
So, like I said, get to knowyour phone camera in and out,
absolutely master that, get tobe able to do that stuff in your
sleep, man.
And then when you finally reachthat, when you think you've
topped out on your potential,sit there, do some research and
you're like I think I would beable to execute like my creative
(35:55):
desires at a higher clip if Iupgraded to another camera.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So yeah, I definitely think that we can go down the
rabbit hole of looking at thenewest camera, looking at the
newest piece of gear, and for meit's like looking at new
microphones.
Thinking, I need to upgrade,and a lot of it could be just
controlling the environmentyou're in.
You can make the microphone youhave sound good, but it's just
(36:21):
this constantly leveling upthing.
One during COVID, a thing thatI was really on a kick about,
learning more about as far froma tech perspective, was like
custom built PCs I was.
I gained from time to time, so Iwas like man, I'm going to get
me this PC with this and thisand yeah, it's hard to you're
(36:42):
quickly not satisfied with whatyou have and think that you
always need to be in thispursuit of more.
So, with night productions, whohandles the social media for
you guys?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It is a joint effort because we're all creating stuff
and we all have like differentthings we've shot or like edited
and stuff like that.
Allie may have a really prettywedding portrait that she's
taken and she wants to post that, or a senior or something like
that.
I may have a real.
I may have a real from awedding that I've shot and
(37:13):
edited.
That I'm like this is great.
I need to put this up, and thesame goes for Nathan.
It's really, it's a conjoinedeffort.
It's really everyone like helpout, like hey, if you have
something to post, make sure youpost it.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Okay, so you said that you are in charge of the
YouTube right.
What are your top three tipsfor shooting YouTube videos?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
My top three tips for shooting YouTube videos easily.
Consistency you can throw upanything.
You know what I mean.
It doesn't have to be like themost perfectly crafted
masterpiece every single timeBecause, one, you're not posting
enough.
Two, you're also not gettingbetter.
If you're not shooting enough,say you come out and you shoot
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once every three months and thenspend a lot of time.
You will make a really goodvideo, but you're also, you
haven't done anything in threemonths.
For me, if you're starting out,quantity is better than quality,
and then, once you get to apoint where you're finding your
stride, that quantity turns intoquality.
That's my first thing.
Consistency Two would just becreativity.
(38:16):
If you have any idea whatsoever, come up here to the guys or go
to who you're shooting thevideo with and say hey, I want
to try this man, I've come upwith ideas before.
Where I come to Nathan, I'mlike hey, let's shoot a
commercial for an air tag andyou, me and Alex compete against
each other, and then we comeback in 24 hours and we react to
(38:38):
each other's commercial.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
That's cool.
I would definitely watch that.
Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I'm saying I think what you could do if you would
just put yourself out there,like sometimes it doesn't have
to be, like I said it doesn'thave to be a cinematic
masterpiece.
You can just have an idea andthen come to your guys and then
just execute it, and that, to me, that's the biggest thing when
it comes to creativity.
Just, I feel like sometimes wejust cap ourselves on that.
(39:05):
We're just like go through themotions and stuff like that.
So I guess my third thing wouldbe really pushing it out.
If you're just going to make avideo and then just post it and
not say a word about it, thenyou're going to look at those
which I think sometimes viewscan be overrated.
But if you post a video andthen you check on it and it's
(39:26):
gotten three views, what's yourfault?
You didn't let anybody knowabout it.
You know what I'm saying.
Like, again, I think we live inthis world where it's like
we're afraid of what otherpeople will think about it, and
I think a lot of times that kindof caps you on what you're
capable of.
Man, if I made a video and I'mgoing to post it this week on
Thursday at 6.30, I'm going toblast it all over my story, I'm
(39:47):
going to let everyone know aboutit.
I'm going to send that link inmy family group chat.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, hey, go watch this.
I made this, I'm happy with itand I think it's good content.
Let people know about it.
You know what I'm saying, so.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Absolutely so one of my questions that you said
family group chat.
One thing that I've noticedabout creating is that it's
almost easier to get strangersto support you than people that
are like close to you, familyand close friends.
Is that something that you'vedealt with or is it something
that everyone's just supportiveof for it?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Funny enough, Nathan has like a theory on this and I
think he calls it like the diptheory or something like that.
He's even with nightproductions Whenever he comes
out and he's hey, this is mybusiness, night productions
Really on the graph, everyone'ssuper, super interested.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
They're like that is so cool.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's awesome, bro, can't believe you're doing that.
Props to you, man.
And then, as time progresses,the hype goes like this and
you'll have your, like you said,there's a few people who are
like, hey, man, that's awesomewhat you're doing and everything
like that.
And then, as you continue to doit and people will touch back
on, like they'll touch back andsee if you're still doing it, if
(41:00):
you're still doing it, all of asudden you, that graph starts
to rise again and you've reachedthis consistency.
Oh, this wasn't a fad, they'restill doing it.
So then people will then buyback in.
Yeah, it's a mental thing,cause you see that dip and then
you're like that was fun whileit lasted.
People give up and they're likeman, I guess it was fun, I gave
(41:20):
it a shot, but then if you keepdoing it, like I said, you'll
find that like next gold mine oflike people are like oh, he's
serious about this, he'sactually committed.
So for me personally, granted,my friend group like they all,
like they're, like they're theyalways loved the videos, cause
I'd make the vlogs like of usbeing goofy and joking around
with each other and stuff likethat.
So my friends were alwaysinvolved in the video.
(41:42):
So when I'd send that to them,they always loved to see
themselves in the videos.
My friend group just seemed tobe invested in it because maybe
they were participating in it.
However, I will say there havebeen people maybe I considered
friends who thought it was coolat first, but then, like you
said, they come back and they'relike oh, it's cool, you're
(42:03):
doing this.
You're like, you know, I wasdoing this.
I told you about this a whileago and it's now that you see
that it's succeeding and it'sstarting to be a more consistent
thing.
You want to chime back in andbe like man I was riding from
the beginning.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, absolutely.
I just finished a book and it'scalled essentialism.
It's by a guy, greg McEwen, andit's basically the pursuit of
less things but better.
So the whole theory about it isthat we focus our energy on so
many different things and weonly make a micro movement and
all of these things versus justfocusing on one thing and making
strong efforts in that onething.
(42:36):
And I suffered from that withthe podcast for about a year.
I did it really consistently.
Then I got a new job position.
When I was the warehousemanager, I was working, not
getting probably 70, 80 hours aweek, wasn't able to be as
consistent as I wanted to, andthen when I came out of that
role it's like my love forpodcasting I was able to look up
(42:58):
from the weeds.
Finally I was getting caughtback up and then I was like, oh,
this is what we were talkingabout.
That was my dip.
And now I'm trying to get backon that path of consistency.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yeah, man, a big mental anchor, for sure, is
easily to find.
So, to build on what you saidsometimes less, but more right.
Maybe you don't have the bigcrowd cheering for you whenever
you do your thing, but give methe consistent crowd over the
(43:35):
big crowd that dissipates everysingle time.
For me, man, I want to makecontent and I want to do my job
in a manner that makes thepeople closest to me, or the
people that matter to me thehappiest that could be any given
couple that I'm doing a weddingvideo for.
As long as they love the video,I don't care what anybody else
thinks.
You know what I'm saying.
(43:56):
So if Nathan is proud and happywith the content I'm providing
the client.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I don't care what anybody else thinks.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
If Allie enjoys the wedding day that we shot
together and she's happy that weare a team working together, I
don't care what anybody elsethinks my fiance Mallory if I'm
still leading a life the way Ishould be and she's proud of
what I'm doing, with the workthat I'm putting out, I don't
care what anybody else thinks.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I'm saying Give me the consistency.
Every single time I could careless about the flakiness, the up
and down, like you said,someone chiming in two years
later and being like, hey, it'scool that you're doing this.
My best friends, my coworkers,my fiance, have been telling me
that for the last two years.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
So I know that Absolutely.
So let's dive into what year?
Let's recap 2023.
What are some of your favoritethings that you did in 2023?
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Man for me in 2023, again, not productions to me, I
love it like it's my own.
So any kind of growth, we seedifferent opportunities and
stuff like that.
To me, that's the mostimportant thing.
Like every single year, I'mjust looking for us to take that
next step.
You know what I'm saying.
Like I mentioned earlier, wewere able, we had the
(45:09):
opportunity to shoot somecontent and feature, like Tim
Tebow was in it.
That's for me, that's a stellardude.
That's right around my age.
When I was getting into collegefootball.
I thought that dude wasSuperman.
Fast forward all these yearslater.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Did you get to talk to him or?
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, no, me and Nathan both.
Now, does he remember who weare?
Probably not.
But me and Nathan had theopportunity we were maybe one of
or two of maybe 10 people inthe room because they cleared
out everybody to go to theauditorium for this event we
were shooting.
And he came up to all 10 of us,shook our hands, asked us our
name and was like what are youguys doing?
(45:43):
We're like, oh, we're videoing,we do this here in Paragloude.
And he was like, oh, that'ssuper cool, Nathan Caden, it was
super nice to meet you.
God bless you.
You know what I'm saying.
It's not a real communication,but it's to us.
That was stoke Me and Nathanafter.
We played it cool in that moment.
But, like I said, we're thesame age.
That guy walks out of the room.
We're like we should have aconversation with Tim Tebow.
Bro, that's nuts, that wassuper cool.
(46:04):
We're very good friends withMary Beth Byrd, who was a very
successful singer on the Voice.
She did well on that a fewyears ago and then we've done
some content for her since theVoice and we've really enjoyed
working with her, and then thisyear she had the opportunity to
compete on American Idol.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
I watched that season .
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, and she's incredibly talented.
It's ridiculous and because ofour friendship with her and the
work we've done with her in thepast, she comes to us earlier
this year and she's would youguys be able to shoot this scene
for an episode coming up thatwill be featured on American
Idol?
(46:46):
And me and Nathan were likeyeah, it doesn't matter If it's
at 2 am, we'll be there.
That's of course we would.
I don't know.
That was super cool, like wewere on the phone with the
people from I guess it was at LA, like we're on the phone with
them and we built this entireset with lighting and everything
like that and like athree-camera angle set up, and
(47:06):
they were like, can we do it?
in the other room, not a wordwas said to me and Nathan was
like, absolutely yes, we.
Can we tear down that entireset and we move it over?
To have you ever seen a radiobooth?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's super compact, not much bigger than Ali's
office over here, and so we thentake all that lighting, the
three-camera angles, move it toa radio booth that also has two
people in it and we set that allup.
And again, we're still on thephone with the people from LA
and we're sending them picturesand stuff like that of what we
(47:39):
have, and they're like that'sawesome, we love it, let's shoot
.
We shoot for probably like anhour and a half, after we'd been
there for two and a half hours,setting up the first set,
breaking it down, setting up thenext set.
You know, we ship all thatfootage off to them and then we
would just wait and it was like,like I said, it felt like
(48:00):
forever.
But then, man, you can go onHulu and watch this past season
and watch that episode and we'refreaking out because we know we
shot that.
You know what I mean.
So that's cool that some of ourworks been featured on a
nationally televised show.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
So yeah, I actually checked out Joe's YouTube
channel and saw that saying Iwas like I remember that episode
where they were talking to herand there was issues in the
booth and things like thatthat's awesome, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
And it's like I said, it's obviously like some people
could look at it and benegative and stuff like that.
But like for us and our team,we are like, dude, if you had
told me two years ago, hey,you're gonna shoot something
that's gonna be featured onAmerican Idol, we'd be like, no,
we're not no shot.
(48:46):
You know what I'm saying.
So for us it was a coolopportunity.
And then with the wedding sideof things, I think again, second
year in a row we were able toshoot 60 plus weddings as a team
.
We got to go to Montana shootsome really beautiful stuff out
there for that wedding and it isjust for me to continue to have
(49:10):
the consistent work that we'vehad over the last two years.
And it was like I don't know,man, it's just a really crazy
life.
Like I kind of, when I reflecton the last year, when I'm
making that end of the year post, you know, like wrapping
everything up, man, it's such astupid laugh, it's so silly.
Like it's like I'm just superthankful for the opportunities
(49:34):
that we've had over the lastyear and it's like there's no
and there's nothing else.
I'd rather put all my effortand time towards and like just
get what I get out of it.
You know what I mean.
It's just, it doesn't feel likea job, it's just like.
It's just so fun, I don't knowlike it.
(49:54):
There's nothing that comparesto me.
You know what I mean.
So 2023 to me was just anotheryear of proven that we can still
do it.
You know what I mean.
It's we're still here, so whatdoes 2024 look like?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
What are some of your goals for 2024?
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Man.
Again.
We wanna continue to build onwhat we have and for me and
Nathan, how our relationshipstarted a gamble.
Me and him are not afraid ofputting all our chips to the
center of the table and bettingon ourselves.
If it doesn't work out, me andhim live by this dude.
(50:36):
He's the same way when it comesto this as I am.
Like if it doesn't work out, itwon't be because I didn't try
my butt off.
It's gonna be because it justwasn't meant to be, it just
didn't happen.
But I'm going to try my tailend off to make sure it happens,
make sure it's executedproperly and give it everything
I have.
So we have a lot of expectationsfor this year.
(50:56):
We want another big jump.
Like I said, we wanna stillmake sure like we're still here,
we're still consistentlyputting out the quality of work
that we know we're able to.
We wanna continue to help outin like the community, the
Paragold, like we've done overthe years, and like just
continue to have thosefriendships that we have.
We have a lot of really funideas.
(51:17):
I don't know if you've seen someof the stuff we've been doing
recently with the KP Sportsstuff.
Like we've kind of added on abranch to not productions.
So it's the first thing we'veever done like that and, like I
said, we're both big sports guys.
We're getting into sports mediaand we've done a bunch of team
shoes with the lights and thesmoke and everything like that
and those have done extremelywell here in Northeast Arkansas
(51:38):
and along with that, in myopinion, we've gained a lot of
cool friendships with thecoaches and athletic directors
in the area and stuff like that.
And we've gone to a lot ofbasketball games in the last
three months.
It's been absurd, and we've gota lot of basketball games to go
to on the coming months andstuff like that.
I think the big thing for us iswe want to.
(51:58):
We wanna make sure that this islike a sustainable thing.
Like I said, we're gonna puteverything we have towards this
new branch that we have herewith not productions.
But if it doesn't work out, itwon't be because we didn't try.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
So Absolutely Well.
I appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you taking thetime to sit down with me share
your story.
It was really encouraging tohear where you came from and
where you wanna go.
Where can we get connected withyou on social media?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
Man, you can follow our Facebook page and our
Instagram page.
Instagram isatknotteproductions underscore,
and then our sports page onInstagram is
atknotteproductionsports, andthen Facebook just not
productions.
And then, if you wanna watchour, there's a link in our
Instagram bio.
But if you just wanna look itup on YouTube, that's gonna be
(52:49):
not productions and you shouldbe able to find all the videos
we've made.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
And the last thing I wanna ask you.
So what's the roadmap?
If someone out there wants toget into the field that you're
doing, what do you recommend andwhat are the steps to get there
?
Speaker 2 (53:04):
The steps for me.
I stand by for me and it'sexactly what's got me to where I
am is I don't think there's awhole lot in this life that's
unattainable if you'redetermined and just willing to
put time and effort towards it.
For me personally, like I said,I've had a lot of roadblocks
(53:28):
and there's been a lot of timeswhere I can look back and I'm be
like wow, I'm surprised Ididn't give up.
Then, if you're willing to andyou're mentally capable of just
persevering and having a betterperspective on life, I think if
you put your mind to somethingand you work towards it, that's
(53:49):
a lot of.
We live in a day and age wherea lot of times people are like I
want it now.
That's just not how life works.
Like we talked about earlier,it was a long three years.
It's just.
You have to put time, effortand work towards it.
If you want to get to this part,if you want to get to this
point in the field which,granted, I don't think I'm the
top of the field or anythinglike that, but just to be
(54:12):
participating and involved inthis field go out, build your
portfolio up.
I've done a lot of free work.
Night Productions as a wholehas done a lot of free work.
Don't worry so much about pricewhen you're starting out.
Sometimes a nice portfolio isbetter than a big bank account.
Just don't be afraid of freework and build some friendships,
(54:34):
connections and stuff like that.
Like you and me, we've becomevery we've gone really far into
this friendship just because wemet at a little open house event
and I was able to film you andyour wife's day and I think of
us as great friends.
That's crucial in this field aswell, having friends in the
(54:54):
industry and a little Drakeshout out there, yeah absolutely
, and you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
That's one of the main things.
When me and my wife are gettingready to have our wedding day,
there's nobody else that I wouldwant to do the video other than
you guys.
I appreciate you guys having mein the studio once again.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, man, thanks for letting me ramble.
Speaker 1 (55:15):
No, absolutely man.
But yeah, this has been anotherepisode of the Clever Angle
podcast.
All the links to the socialwhere you can connect with Caden
will be in the show notes andwhere you can find us will be in
the show notes as well.
And until next time, peace.
I hope you guys enjoyed theepisode as much as I did.
If you guys would do me a favor, go ahead and subscribe to the
(55:38):
podcast, Follow us on Instagram,follow us on YouTube.
I would really appreciate it.
Until next time, until nextweek, peace.
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